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Daniels: Moss didn't know what doctor was injecting him with

Defensive end Phillip Daniels was among the most outspoken Redskins last week when news first surfaced that a Redskins' player was linked to Anthony
Galea, the Canadian doctor charged with smuggling and distributing human growth hormone. Disgusted by the idea of performance-enhancing drugs, Daniels even said he didn't want to know who the offending player was.

So it's a bit odd that Daniels was actually among the first to find out. Receiver Santana Moss told Daniels and other teammates last week that he'd received treatments from Galea.

According to Daniels, Moss said he received treatments twice for his hamstring and once for his knee. He said he was never aware of HGH being a part of those treatments.

For Daniels, hearing the explanation straight from Moss was important. "I really think when it's all said and done, I think Santana is going to come out on top," Daniels said. "I just felt like he was telling us the truth and he was honest. That's all you can ask for from a teammate."

Moss told teammates that he heard of Galea from friends around the league and sought the doctor's help. But he apparently never knew exactly what Galea was injecting into his body.

"Sometimes guys go to these outside people, put their trust in these people to get you healthy and do the right things and sometimes it just doesn't work out," Daniels said.

In fact, the suggestion that HGH was part of Moss's treatment seemed to take the receiver by surprise. "I don't think he knew this guy was even dealing with that," Daniels said.

"As far as the HGH or anything, he didn't say he knew what it was or anything like that," Daniels said. "But Santana's a stand-up guy. I think he was telling the truth. He was doing the right things, just trying to get healthy.

By Rick Maese  |  May 26, 2010; 3:18 PM ET
 
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Feels good to be a skins fan today.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

i smell cowpies....oh its santana moss with his explanation he didnt know what was being injected into him. i get injections in my knees since i was abour 25, im now 39 an di always ask whats in it. i dont think for 1 minute he didn tknow. since he said it liek this i think it will com eout he wss injected with hgh. its called plausable deniability. smart move santana, smart move.

Posted by: snyper94z28 | May 26, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

i smell cowpies....oh its santana moss with his explanation he didnt know what was being injected into him. i get injections in my knees since i was abour 25, im now 39 an di always ask whats in it. i dont think for 1 minute he didn tknow. since he said it liek this i think it will com eout he wss injected with hgh. its called plausable deniability. smart move santana, smart move.

Posted by: snyper94z28 | May 26, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The "I didn't know" excuse? Sure... just yesterday I said, "Hey, Santana, mind if I inject you with this stuff?"

He said, "Sure, man, I'm a professional athlete. I never check what people stick in me."

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | May 26, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

wow i cant type today..lol....oh well its still readable..kinda

Posted by: snyper94z28 | May 26, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

...or "I forgot hgh was illegal". Holds about the same amount of water.

Posted by: stevek20147 | May 26, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

this sort of "I didn't know" is exactly why the various leagues all have adopted a version of "you're responsible for knowing what it going into your body".

Plausible deniability gets you nothing. HOowever, if he cooperates with the commish, he'll might see a game or 2 less on his suspension.

Still, this isn't going to become a case where Moss is going to miss 8 games or even an entire season. We're talking 4 games, not likely more than that. Its a modest punishment. In one respect, it may be good as Kelly and Thomas need the reps. Time to see if they can play at a higher level. With Moss out for a few games, they get the chance.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

(sighing) This route has already been taken by Barry Bonds. It's not believable. "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is common knowledge among athletes today so they could get treatments and have plausible deniability.

Posted by: RedCherokee | May 26, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure 'Tana just assumed it was flaxseed oil.

Honest mistake.

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Daniels' gums are gettin' mighty flappy in his old age. Is he now the only guy who'll talk to wapo?

Posted by: stevek20147 | May 26, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

truth is, a lot of his teammates will respect that Moss was going to extremes to get himself healthy -- and doing it in a low risk way (testing would not catch him using hgh -- it was the Feds catching the Doc that got Moss).

Pretty much every year, Moss gets dinged up and goes from being very dangerous to pretty average. He's never fully healthy for 16 games. I think this (likely) suspension will have minimal overall impact on the team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Tana's playing the whole "I dion't konw what it was" card, could be quite strategic.

We are mocking him for being crazy, but he could be crazy like a fox.

It all depends on what the investigation reveals and what Galea says. Right now, Tana has not failed any drug test. So the whole "he's reponsible for what is in his body point" is moot as far as a drug test is concerned.

Right now they are busting Galea for smuggling drugs and practicing w/out a license in US, etc. etc. But if Galea never actually specifies that he injected HGH specifically into Santana Moss, then I don't know how Tana gets in trouble at all.

No failed drug test.
No player confession to HGH use.
No specification from the doc.

Tana walks away scot-free.

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

How sweet would it be to see DT11 go off for like 180 yards and 3TDs against the Cowboys?

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 26, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Daniels' gums are gettin' mighty flappy in his old age. Is he now the only guy who'll talk to wapo?

Posted by: stevek20147 | May 26, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse
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Maybe as one of the few holdover redskins vets, who seem to be fairly measured and we thought out in his responses, he was anointed the team media spokesman. I think I remember Schlereth talking about an o-line spokesman when he was with Shanny in Denver. From what I remember everyone else stayed silent. Maybe I am putting 2 and 2 together and getting 6 though.

Posted by: rickmort | May 26, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Chris Wilson will be one of the starting OLBs week 1.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 26, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

No failed drug test.
No player confession to HGH use.
No specification from the doc.

Tana walks away scot-free.

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 3:51 PM

Ding ding

Posted by: TWISI | May 26, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The commish doesn't need proof. Which is why Moss is going to get suspended.

Here's the deal. If Moss (and perhaps others) comes clean to the commish, he might knock off a game or 2 from the suspension. If he doesn't cooperate, the commish won't cut him any slack.

Thing is, Moss got his $$ up front. Moss gets $8million for '09 and '10 -- avg $250k per game. But because he got his $$ up front ($6+million), he gets just $60k per game in his 2010 paycheck. So the cost to Moss is actually pretty modest.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

How about AH didn't know what he was injecting the sttripper with?

Posted by: wireman65 | May 26, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Phillip Daniels, who is a fave of mine, certainly is a chatty kathy...

Posted by: chrislarry | May 26, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Players need to stop talking. Let us all speculate--probably correctly--that Tana was willing to do whatever it took to get healthy and back on the field.

Nobody believes that you 1) reached out to a foreign Dr. who had a reputation for "alternative" medicine therapy...and 2) did not know what he was INJECTING into your body.

We aren't that dumb Santana. We forgive you, you're not the only one. But don't pi$$ on my leg and tell me its raining.

Posted by: MadeRED | May 26, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Considering the body building that Daniels has done lately, combined with him getting in the middle of the Santana dispute, it wouldn't be surprising if PD himself didn't draw the attention of authorities.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 26, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

So when's that other name those 106.7 folks have been openly hinting at gonna come out?

Posted by: Predator48 | May 26, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

How about AH didn't know what he was injecting the sttripper with?

Posted by: wireman65 | May 26, 2010 4:07 PM

That's a good one.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 26, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

It's time to see what Thomas and Kelly can do anyway. Start them both and slide Galloway into the slot.

Posted by: MadeRED | May 26, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

The commish doesn't need proof. Which is why Moss is going to get suspended.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse


Really??

Is that specified in the NFL PED policy?

I'd be shocked if there was a provision that said the commish can suspend a player for banned substance use even without proof.

And if that provision is there, I'd love to be the lawyer arguing for Moss, b/c that would be a pretty easy high-profile win for me.

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

So WP are you taking back the source you cited linking Moss to HGH use? Was this just manufactured news that you found to be easy journalism? Please go back to the source and ask them about these latest comments.....We are waiting......

Posted by: MajorFacemask | May 26, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Albert needs to show up, and PRONTO, if he wants to keep drawing a nice paycheck..It'll be a salary cut wherever next he goes...

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

No there needs to be more proof than just the association between Moss and the Dr.

Could be wrong, but I don't think the league has the right to dictate to a player which Dr.'s are acceptable.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 26, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

WaPo is a lawsuit waiting to happen...

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

PED = Phillip E Daniels

Posted by: skinfanman | May 26, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

How can you not love this guy...

Shanahan makes Cooley nervous by making him hold on field goals

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 26, 2010 4:15 PM ET
Like most teams, the Washington Redskins use their punter as their holder on field goals. But Redskins punter Josh Bidwell took today off from organized team activities, and so head coach Mike Shanahan had to press his backup holder -- tight end Chris Cooley -- into action.

"It's probably the first time I've ever been around Chris where he looked a little nervous," Shanahan said, per our friend Matt Terl of Redskins.com. "Y'know, something he wasn't comfortable with. I'm not sure if he's ever done it before. But Chris has got excellent hands; we wanted to take a look in our OTAs, see if he could handle the ball, obviously, as a holder, and I thought he did a good job."

Cooley said it makes sense for him to hold on field goals because, "Clearly, I have the best hands on the team."

Although Bidwell will probably hold when the season starts, Cooley says if he's pressed into action in a game he won't have any trouble.

"It's not that hard," Cooley said.

Try telling that to Tony Romo.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 26, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

WaPo is a lawsuit waiting to happen...

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse


If it were possible, I'm sure Snydes/Cerratto/Swanson would have brought one a long time ago...

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I HATE a lot of the skins fans on this board. So fickle. Are you really going to turn on Santana that quickly? Santana!!! of all the players he is one of the bright spots of the past decade. Despite whatever shortcomings he may have (he's not Andre Johnson, so what?! What do you want from him to have a six inch growth spurt suddenly?!), his effort on the field is unquestionable and he's the best receiver we've had since the Snyder era started. He has shown that he is a man of great character and i have no reason to believe that he is lying. If he gets suspended for being poisoned by some crazy Canadian doctor without even any proof of wrongdoing, I will be outraged. Thomas and Kelly are not on his level yet and our passing game will suffer more than I think people recognize. Thomas can be outstanding with Moss on the field to draw coverage away, and Kelly is a great number 3. As 1 and 2 though, the young guys cant cut it yet. FREE SANTANA!

Posted by: bosshog7169 | May 26, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse


Really??

Is that specified in the NFL PED policy?

I'd be shocked if there was a provision that said the commish can suspend a player for banned substance use even without proof.

And if that provision is there, I'd love to be the lawyer arguing for Moss, b/c that would be a pretty easy high-profile win for me.

Posted by: p1funk

Really. Goodell is judge and jury. The CBA gives the commish a lot of latitude in doing what is best for the game.

Players, notably the Williams's (sic) have sued and gotten delays, but don't know anyone who's been suspended where the courts overturned the commissioner's authority.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

At least, Big Al picked one that look good. Ya'll seen pics of her yet?

Posted by: noluvdr | May 26, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

At least, Big Al picked one that look good. Ya'll seen pics of her yet?

Posted by: noluvdr | May 26, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Really. Goodell is judge and jury. The CBA gives the commish a lot of latitude in doing what is best for the game.

Players, notably the Williams's (sic) have sued and gotten delays, but don't know anyone who's been suspended where the courts overturned the commissioner's authority.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse


First, the Williamses were suspended b/c they tested positive for banned substances. They failed a test.

Second, the wide latitude that Goodell has for suspending players is under the Personal Conduct policy, not the PED policy which has separate provisions altogether.

But Moss, as far as we know, has done nothing illegal. He's not even been accused of doingg anything illegal. He wasn;t the target of the investigation, he came up incidental to the investigation. And reports have said that authorities don;t plan on making Moss a target. They simply interviewed him to get more info about Galea.

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

This us bull hockey. How STUPID does someone have to be to not ask what is the "medicene" that the doctor is injecting into his body. He SHOULD be suspended because he is ultimately responsible for what goes into his body. IGNORANCE is NOT an excuse. DUMB A$$! His aw shucks routine does not hold water. I am getting sick of these fools cheating (whether knowingly or unknowingly). If I was GM I would cut his A$$ and I would cut FAT ALBERT for just being dumb! I would put into their contracts the Dumb A$$ clause. "If you are found for being a dumb a$$ the team will have the option of terminating your contract with no penalty!" CBA be darned! I hope the owners really go after the UNION and tell them all to either do what they say or go play for CFL, Arena League or Rugby! POUND SAND SANTANNA! And Daniels, stop being the freaking puppet for the team. TELL THEM TO SACK IT UP AND TALK THEIR DARNED SELVES!

Posted by: ace21lv | May 26, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm sure the Post is so saavvy with lawsuits in this day and age, it could satellite a lawyer from New Delhi and still win the bacon..

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vic1 | May 26, 2010 3:20 PM

I think a lot of this stuff with the U has a racial element to it. Ever since Miami starting kicking butt and wore camo fatigues to a bowl game followed by "Catholics v. Criminals" games between the U and Notre Dame the 80s the school has been marked. But the U has not produced any more "criminals" than any other top football program.

As for Moss: Chil' please. You don't pay a Canadian doctor tens of thousands of dollars to come to your house to treat you with something you could get in the states for considerably less money. And no athlete with any sense is going to let someone inject them with something without asking or knowing what it is or asking for guidance from his team doctor.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 26, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

No there needs to be more proof than just the association between Moss and the Dr.

Could be wrong, but I don't think the league has the right to dictate to a player which Dr.'s are acceptable.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

Moss is a witness in a Federal case. Last thing he's going to do is lie and risk going from being a witness to becoming a defendant. Moss's best course it to minimize the hit and move on with his career.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

" I didn't know I couldn't do that"

Chip

Posted by: Stu27 | May 26, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm sure the Post is so saavvy with lawsuits in this day and age, it could satellite a lawyer from New Delhi and still win the bacon..

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse


Media outlets don't need to be saavy with lawsuits - the law leans heavily in favor of free press.

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"This us bull hockey. How STUPID does someone have to be..", etc..

Yeah, buddy, we got some enemy teams fans up in here lately..Heiniosity is a virus..Is this the ATTENTION you so need and crave, Danny?? GO SIGN THE FIRST FEMALE FIELD GOAL KICKER, YOU RINGLING BROS. JOKE!!oiiiiii..lets see more giants fans in the stadium, oiiiiiiiii....!

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 4:29 PM

He did do something illegal if he knew that Dr. G was bringing HGH and actovegin into the US to treat him. The Feds are cutting him some slack because they are trying to nail Dr. G and they may not be able to prove knowledge. But they need Moss's testimony to confirm the days Dr. G treated him to corroborate the informant/co-D's testimony. You can't convict solely on the word of a co-defendant w/out corroboration.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 26, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 26, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Moss is a witness in a Federal case. Last thing he's going to do is lie and risk going from being a witness to becoming a defendant. Moss's best course it to minimize the hit and move on with his career.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 4:33 PM

Show me where his named is listed in the Federal Court Filing?

witnesses are listed as numbers. Prove it was him!

Posted by: MajorFacemask | May 26, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Ah, the old Barry Bonds defense: "I didn't know what I was being injected with."

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | May 26, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

What's the problem? Santana was to meet Galea in a motel room. He was to check in using the name Josh Finkleberger. He was to wear a trench coat, dark shades and a blonde wig. Galea was to knock on the door in 3 sets of 2 knocks and identify himself as 'Snowbird'.

Posted by: randysbailin | May 26, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

...or "I forgot hgh was illegal". Holds about the same amount of water.

Posted by: stevek20147 |

HGH is not illegal...its just not allowed in the NFL...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | May 27, 2010 5:08 AM | Report abuse

All this treatment and he still can't seperate from a defender anymore.

Posted by: joeboggs | May 27, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Santana should be suspended a minimum of 4 games for being so damn STUPID! You dont know what the Dr. Injected into you? STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!

Posted by: rlomax67 | May 27, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Seriously? He didn't know about the 'roid doctor? Seriously?? How many doctors are there between Ashburn, VA and Canada? There's a reason he reached all the way to Canada for a doctor, and if ain't because he was smuggling Molsons to Lansdowne!

Posted by: tnttoo | May 27, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"How about AH didn't know what he was injecting the sttripper with?

Posted by: wireman65 | May 26, 2010 4:07 PM

That's a good one."

Really, it is quite good, I must concur.

Posted by: Corvis777 | May 27, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

why did moss go outside for treatment, the skins staff isn't good enough and his daniels the new spokesmen for the team

Posted by: geg5100 | May 29, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

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