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Guest blogger: dcsween

So much great posting up to and since the Giants game; I've been out and had a hard time catching up, much less adding my small coinage. Now that the post-season is officially here (i.e., not for the Skins), lots of posts wondered about what to do on RI for the off-season - and how to maintain our many hours of 'stay at work vacation' on-line. Personally, I'm staying here (though I know that Jason's editor has pressed for moving over to Maske's blog - I may start posting there on league-relevant stuff, esp. about remaining NFL season - but I don't want to overextend).

Jason, however, deserves extended time to recover, regroup, and refresh (and be Dad) like every other guy on the team. Thus, I want to make my push for off-season guest bloggers, esp. us, and really esp., some of the regulars. To date, Megskin leads with the best one or two (stat-heavy) guest blog posts. Seems like Jason's blog starters range from about 100-250 words ... and this one is going to run way over, but I want to throw out some ideas for you all (remember, more concise and focused than this one):

* Who gets released as a cap casualty? These guys have been/will have been approached already to 'restructure' their contracts. Who becomes 'un-re-structurable' or otherwise not worth the effort?

* Find a ball-hawk. This season's Skins earned a record I thought I'd never see -- fewest turnovers. Whether a rookie, free agent, or straight-up trade, we need a defender who can reliably pick balls w/o getting burned when he misses. Who?

* Find a good home for Duckett. We knew he was UFA after this season when we made the trade. For some reason, it took till the last game to put him behind Sellers in the red zone. Unfortunately for him, the RB core is Portis/Betts/Sellers/Cartwright. We all wish Duckett well, no hard feelings. Where should he go?

* End the mascot discussion topic. Ambivalence reigns over the name Redskins. Life-long fans have hard-wired associations with the name. Is there any another 'R' word that can keep the same cool helmet logo?

* Position purge. Soon, the roster can bloat up over a hundred again. Some positions will have many, many more pre-season players than season roster spots. Which positions get real deep (with associated deep cuts later)? [This may to be too easy - maybe just start talking about the CB or WR positions.]

* Scout the opponents. Now we know who we play. After the draft and FA signings right before and after the draft, we will have a better sense about the potential strengths/weaknesses of our opponents next year. [Assume that high turnover in players and/or coaches is a weakness, if only b/c of uncertainty.]

* Post-mortems. Go back over the season, pick a game, and talk about it again in the larger context of the whole season. [Or go back to an old RI blog post in the archives, re-read the whole thread, and re-introduce a topic that didn't get the discussion it deserves.]

I don't want to say I love you all or that you have made me a better person (or fan) in any way, but lets just say I've become a little "involved" in following the Redskins Insider blog. Hail to the Redskins (Insider Blog)!

dcsween

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 4, 2007; 8:00 AM ET
 
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The team's biggest strength right now is the offensive line. The primary offseason goal should be to keep it intact, make it more deep, and begin to make the defensive line equally fierce. I have faith in Andre Carter becoming a force. He showed flashes of beastliness toward the end of the season. But we need more. We need some young, powerful, fast, sturdy guys in the middle to plow through and give opposing teams a headache on a regular basis. You want a ballhawk--all you need to do is free up Taylor and dare I say, Archuleta, with a pass rushing line and the results will come.

Linebackers and CBs are next, although I think a shored up D line will help the CBs more than new blood will. We just need some more depth. I don't think we have too many draft picks, but I'd hope we could get a GM (man I'm asking a lot) and some beastly talent scouts to pull some good depth out of the draft, and if we have to, out of the free agent market. No trades. Just find the guys on other teams who might be in the wrong system who could become real Redskins. Williams' scheme doesn't ask for too much from linebackers, but we're hurting there and could use one or two to compliment what we've already got.

On the offensive side, I'd say, status quo as much as possible with added depth where we can afford to do it. We need depth everywhere and I think another TE, but the D seems to need the most work. That's it from a player standpoint.

Finally, I think there is such a thing as a Saunders/Gibbs hybrid offense and we already saw it. I love how we run run run and then throw the bomb to just keep the opposing team honest and make the running game more successful. We need to keep doing that.

Sorry if I'm sounding too positive to many of you, but I really think the Skins have got more going for them than some of us may think. In my mind, the lack of continuity on both sides of the ball hurt the skins more than anything at the beginning of the year and the team never caught up. The fact is, the Skins should have no problem beating any team next year with a few minor tweaks (maybe a little more major on the D line) and that's it.

In order:

1. Continuity
2. More talent on the D line
3. Depth

Posted by: nyskinsfan | January 4, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

"Post-mortems. Go back over the season, pick a game, and talk about it again in the larger context of the whole season."

Good god, man, that's like asking a guy to pass another kidney stone! But here goes:

The Rams game. They ran....a lot. They passed....a lot. Sean Taylor wiffed....a lot. They scored...a lot. We scored...our guts out. We pre-gamed our guts out.....We national anthemed our guts out...We showered our guts out...Nobody drank out of a Gatorade cup harder than that group of guys in Burgundy and Gold...even though we lost, we'd go anywhere with that group of guys (except maybe to a football game!)....

Seriously, the offense displayed definite improvement, while the defense continued its freefall. JC will continue to improve. Stick with the run, fire the coaching staff, find a GM, and then get some hard-working players on defense. Not stars, just blue-collar hitters. And if they so much as even think about a flea-flicker or gadget play when they're pounding away, they need to be lined up at midfield to receive noogies from the fans as they file by.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | January 4, 2007 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I am...Caron Butler

With the wiz looking so good, I've ALMOST forgotten about the Titans, Falcons, Vikings, and Bucs games! Alas, unless the Bullets go for 10 straight, I fear the breakfast menu still consists of Tiki runs, Burnt Toast, Arch Karai over easy, and my fav - back peddling russian roullete.

can't wait till Sept.

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | January 4, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Good article DC

We shouldn't waste time on a team that doesn't care.

We should tald about Gilbert Arenas. Did you see him shoot and walk away before he sank that? Ridiculous. Ridiculous.

Posted by: Skinz | January 4, 2007 9:12 AM | Report abuse

You go, Gil Arenas! And Caron Butler! At least we have a few exciting players on our NBA team....

Posted by: Lisa | January 4, 2007 9:39 AM | Report abuse

nyskinsfan, my thoughts completely. [are you me?] The (reasonable) fear that everyone here has is that the Snyder will re-purge ... he's a financial bulemic when it comes to the Skins. I think THIS team can win next year (with MINOR tweaks). Continuity. Chemistry. We don't have alot of draft picks or cap space, but I think we only need think replacement starter at CB (opposite Double Move) and DE. Depth is the word. On the O-line, we have keepers in Pucillo and Wade. Keep them off the FA market. Backup TE? Yoder. Keep him off the FA market. Strong safety? Time for Prioleau and Doughty to ripen into big play ball hawks. Archuleta? Back to LB. A monster WR would be nice. For all his griping about interference last night in the Sugar Bowl, I could see someone like Samardzija filling a need for us.

Montana Skins Fan, the blip of excitement for me was the Panthers game, Week 12. Julius Peppers returns to the lineup and we cram the run down his throat. We shut down the passing game. Vernon Fox starts (replacing AA) and ends the first Panthers possession with the season's FIRST pick. Sean Taylor ends the game with a pick. It was BEAUTIFUL. The Skins, now 4-7, theoretically CAN make the playoffs if they run the table. [In hindsight, the Gnats did it with 8-8.] Our pass defense problem is solved. Much rejoicing.

There is a guy in the bar where I drink who called this game the "Dead Cat Bounce." He used to work on the Mercantile Exchange in Chicago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_bounce

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I view the Skins 2006 seasons in 3 phases:

I Brunell
II Campbell in transition
III Campbell

IMO, phase I was a very difficult product to watch. Outside of the Texans game where Brunell played unusually well, the Skins were not an offensive threat nor a defensive powerhouse. Game after game, you would wonder when the Skins would find their offensive identity and when the defense would wake up and start playing as they had the past 2 seasons. I remember thinking it was only a matter of time for the defense. Boy was I wrong.

Phase II gave us hope. With Brunell out, we finally got a QB who could deliver the ball downfield. I hate to bash Brunell because he has done much of what the Skins asked him to do (manage games, limit turnovers). However, successful Redskins QBs have never fit this mold. Thiesmann, Rypien, Williams were all QBs who all had success as risk takers who could deliver the ball down the field when required. Campbell gives us a QB who fits that mold. We don't want a short pass specialist, we want a QB who can break the game open with big plays. That's Campbell. Too bad the defense was still broken and it was only going to get worse.

Phase III was good in that Campbell showed us much of what we wanted, but the Redskins defense melted down further and became a huge liability. When you can't stop anyone or create turnovers, you cannot win. Many teams try to win without defense (Indy, Martz Rams, Broncos), but inevitably these teams play a game in the playoffs where there offense is stopped and their horrible defense get stomped. When the Redskins defense fell apart in phase III, all the progress of the offense (special teams, offensive coaching, Betts, Campbell) was buried under the inadequacy of the defense. It is clear to see when the defense plays to NFL level (see Panther, Saints games), the Skins can compete. We need more games like the Saints, Panthers, Eagles II, and Cowboys II. The Skins cannot tolerate games like the Rams and Giants II where too many yards, too many points, and too few turnovers are produced by the defense.

I continue to stand by statements I have been making since the beginning of the season. The Skins must start with defense. Build a sturdy defense first. From the last 2 years, I was sure the Skins had that already. Count me among the shocked to find out they didn't.

I believe that Saunders and Gibbs will figure out the right stuff for the offense. The right ingredients are there. I am even more optimistic about this now that Campbell is the QB. I believe Campbell can learn the Saunders system. There is more than enough talent in the offense to be competitive and exciting to watch. Moss, ARE, and Cooley are bona fide threats (the book is still open on Lloyd). I believe they can become what Clark, Sanders, and Warren were in the past with the right QB and the right opportunities. Portis and Betts are the 1-2 punch in the backfield that will keep defenses guessing.

Organizationally, I hope the Skins can get things fixed with as little turmoil as possible. Last off-season seems to have created a lot of instability in the team. Winning will help erase many of these bad memories. People will forgive a lot when you are having success. I believe the Redskins has more right than wrong. Fix what is obviously broken (did I mention defense?).

Hail Redskins!

P.S. Brunell announced a need for shoulder surgery this week? This sounds a lot like 2004 when Brunell played injured and the Skins struggled while he was not 100%. Could this be part of why 2006 started so badly? Makes you wonder. I admire guts and determination in players, but when injuries hurt teams, it is wrong to continue playing when the first order of business should be to get healthy.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 4, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Lisa there is a site that you can get supplements from at a very good discount.

http://www.fitnessone.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=131&osCsid=818a33b72dd271f684a4a856d1d2e0f5

Work is crazy today. I will try to catch up during lunch.

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

dcsween, in Megskins 46 defense Guest Blog, she dug up some old quotes about Credence Pondwater.

I'm offering up 5 TCCLs for the 1st Guest Blogger that gets NEW quotes from someone we care about (i.e. not your mom). That's right, a primary source -- just like actual reporting. 5 TCCLs is your for the taking!!

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | January 4, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

That's some good guest blogging

Posted by: Skin Patrol | January 4, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Dudes and non-dudes, you know it's depressing like a goulag prison when you are talking about your off-season moves during the season. 3 NFC east teams are in the playoffs. You can find out more on my website, thereisnogod.net.

I came up with several draft scenarios because I don't do constructive things at work. A couple of my scenarios had Calvin 'oh my god that dude is so tight' Johnson falling to us at 6. So many teams behind us (Atlanta comes to mind) covet this specimen that we could potentially do something very un-Redskins...trade back and acquire more picks...i'll wait...nothing? It's not snowing in hell?

Nevermind.

Skinz, the best part about that whole thing was him eerily taking his time walking up the court. I'm so psyched we have that young man. I love Gilbert like I love my best friend from elementary school. Caron is like my college buddy, he's new but you feel really close to him right away.

In the off-season, I see it as my job to make comments and share matters of amusement. I am not sure if anyone has already posted this, apologies if they have but I find so much humor in this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3DtKMEO9N0

Safe for work. You have to listen with sound.

And DCsween, I'm not scared to say it, I love you all except for Pub Golf...he and I are just not there yet...but we will get there...it just takes time.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 4, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

As I look back on this season, I remember discussions with my softball buddies, who are all Pats fans but rational good observers of football. As we talked about the prospects of our teams for the season, they all would say you can't go anywhere with MB as your QB and I would feebly try and explain that we would run the ball play great D and Brunell would manage the game and not make mistakes. I really never believed, it was more of hope. Preseason told me that this season was going to be a disaster. You simply can't look that non competitive and turn it on once the season starts. I thought the same thing under Marty we were totally inept lead by totally inept QB's, just awful.Preseason is not about winning but you have to sharp and at times be competitive especilly when you starters are on the field. You know what I mean, look like a NFL team and if your scrubs blow the game in the 4th quarter its ok. That wasn't us.
All that being said, I didn't see a complete colapse on D,MB played as predicted etc. etc.no need to rehash every detail 5-11 over.
The silver linning is we really kind of needed this, because we never, except at the begining of the Norv Error were at rock bottom. Most years 7-9 8-8 9-7 6-10 type teams that were mediorce and flawed but left the impression that we were only a few "players away" I think we are now at rock bottom, but not without hope. We have an idenity on offense, the most talented young QB since Stan Humphries, but all the perception of we are close or Joe will come in and fix it right away are now gone
Joe has been here 3 years and I truley believe he knows that his mission now is firmly put us on track to being a competitive team year in year out and get us from being a laughing stock nationaly.The way the league is now if have a good young QB, good running game and play decent D you'll be 9-7 or so and because you are building around a good young QB you have realistic reason to feel good about each upcomming year and not blind optimisum based soley spending sprees from Feb to Aug.

Posted by: Old School | January 4, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, jm220, I will check it out

dcsween, Wade does not want to stay....he wants to be a starter somewhere.

Posted by: Lisa | January 4, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

10:04am, on your p.s., I just read (can remember where) that Brunell injured his throwing shoulder in Giants I. Early on in this season, I remember thinking that Brunell was stubborn about fessing up to his own injuries (see fadeaway of previous season in the playoffs). [Same thing with Springs ... why didn't he get the surgery after the playoffs?]

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, I know Wade WANTS to be a starter, so there is not too much question he will shop himself (based on one excellent game film showing that he's back), and I'm not suggesting paying him starter money, but I think the Skins should be ready to match whatever he gets offered anywhere else (maybe as one year guaranteed money, kick out clause for injury), and then hope that between Jansen, Samuels, and he all remain healthy. This will be the 8th year in the league for he and Jansen, and the 7th for Samuels. This is what I mean about taking depth seriously. I'm just saying don't let him go; he has learned the offense AND performed.

I have this same thought about DE. I think Carter can/should start, but I think Daniels (11th season coming up) may need to become the #3 DE, with a younger guy added through FA, the draft, or trade. [Evans, Wynn, and Sykes battle for one spot ... Evans or Sykes battle for the #2 spot too.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

DCSween:

Are you crazy? NO MORE WRs! Lloyd, Santana, Randle El. All quality and no need.

We need secondary defense and defensive pressure up front. Andre Carter took 12 games to warm up so he might be salvageable for next year. I know Springs has been hurt but when he has played I have been disappointed--we need CB help and depth. How many 3rd and longs did we give up on defense this year? How many in the 4th quarter? Partly Secondary to blame, mostly lack of QB pressure.

Also our Red Zone Offense was weak as well in the tail end of the season so I am not so sold on the greatness of our O-Line. This is another coaching issue as well (likely Gibbs) and an inability of Campbell to find WRs in the end zone. Too often he relies on TE and Backs. Better schemes please Saunders!!!

All that being said, our biggest problem this year has been penalties!!!! That is a Gibbs, Williams and Saunders issue. (FYI anyone notice how much better the Skins played after the Williams outburst controversy?) Penalties have been an Achilles heel for the past two years but amplified this year for the Skins. Correct those and we might be in a different situation now.

Posted by: Joe Kazaneau | January 4, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

If they can't get a stud DE (something they haven't had since Mann/Manley were in their prime) they should get a top DT to give them a rotation with Golston and Griffin (who's not getting any younger). How many times did we hear Gibbs say that they wanted to run the ball and stop the run? Well they proved they could run it. Stop it? Not so much.

Posted by: skinswest | January 4, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Great DEs rarely show up in free agency. It's a premium position. You have to draft them. And you have to use a 1st round pick.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | January 4, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Peep this from ESPN...sorry, but bout all the Wiz hype it IS the offseason:

The Wizards took a lighthearted approach to the return of the old ball. A video montage shown between the first and second quarters showed the microfiber ball exploding like the Death Star -- accompanied by the "Star Wars" theme music. Then the leather ball was shown getting out of bed, crossing a street, getting into a cab, punching some meat in a meat locker and victoriously climbing the steps of the Lincoln Memorial -- all to the theme from "Rocky."


gold.

Posted by: Pub Golf | January 4, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

AMTTS and LaRon Landy fans, we need ball hawking CBs, not another free safety. If we need to replicate the Reaper, then LaRon Landry.

Personally, I think my guy (who should be available in the second round if we trade down for late 1st and 2nd rounds) is Aaron Ross of Texas. Admittedly, he is doomed by winning the Jim Thorpe Award (which Double Move also won), but he played great in the Alamo Bowl.

For the important stat, see this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/stats/bycategory?cat=Defense&sort=101&conference=I-A_all&year=2006

Also, on JaMarcus Russell's play last night; I think he did to Brady Quinn what Vince Young did to Leinart in the Rose Bowl.

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs must be in the process of making some significant decisions -- he hasn't even had time to post a new Spiritual Game Plan this week:

We wanted to let you know that this week's Spiritual Game Plan will not be available on the web until tomorrow, January 5th. We apologize for the delay.

God Bless,
The Joe Gibbs Online Team
http://www.joegibbsonline.com

Posted by: CMoney | January 4, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

skinswest, google Alan Branch (Michigan). He might be the DT you are talking about. That would probably require using the #6 pick, which means we get essentially one draft choice for high quality. I think we need to trade down for more early round picks.

JokeIsOnYou, I question that you put Lloyd so close to the word quality. My problem with Lloyd is not route running and impressive preseason acrobatics. My concern about Lloyd is the same one I have with Betts ... holding on to the ball. Lloyd had some key downfield blocks this season ... maybe add about 40 pounds and give him a try at TE. I'm just saying we need a new #3 WR, or at least some competition. Patten is done. Espy has promise. Thrash is clutch. [Question: why were those last two passes in the Gnats game thrown to Patten and not Thrash? Was that just to make it easier to have the inevitable conversation with Patten?]

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Joe K- did I really just see Lloyd and 'quality' in the same sentence?

Gdam*it Leroy!!

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

W/R to the name: How 'bout Red Skin Potatoes? The mascot could be a Mr. Potato Head profile with feathers.

Posted by: Learned Hand | January 4, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

ummmmm what is steve b talking about when he posted this last night: Any idea's what Danny and Gibbs got heated about?

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

dcsween - I didn't have a particular player in mind to draft just said what I think they need. I don't disagree with you about trading down - just don't have a whole lot of faith in those making the selections.

My two cents on name change: Red Wolves

Posted by: skinswest | January 4, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Thrash should get more balls thrown his way. We would've had a better chance of winning vs the gints had he been the #3 receiver and not David 'annual reception' Patten.

Did anyone hear about the skins fans that pelted the Giants with lemons as they boarded their chartered train after the game? Struck me as out of character but I guess 5-11 brings out the worse.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Two deaf people get married. During the first week of marriage, they find that they are unable to communicate in the bedroom when they turn off the lights because they can't see each other using sign language. After several nights of fumbling around and misunderstandings, the wife decides to find a solution.

"Honey," she signs, "Why don't we agree on some simple signals? For instance, at night, if you want to have sex with me, reach over and squeeze my left breast one time. If you don't want to have sex, reach over and squeeze my right breast one time."

The husband thinks this is a great idea and signs back to his wife, "Great idea, Now if you want to have sex with ME, reach over and pull on my penis one time. If you don't want to have sex, reach over and pull on my penis 50 times."

Posted by: loco mullin | January 4, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Kiper's updated big board from 6-8 which means nothing today, but since we've got nothing to look forward to but the draft I figured I'd throw it out there:

6. LaRon Landry, DB, LSU (6-1½, 205)
Four-year starter who has proven to be Mr. Reliable throughout his career. Landry lead LSU with 42 solo tackles.

7. Quinn Pitcock, DT, Ohio St. (6-3, 297)
Run-stuffing dynamo who does a great job of clogging the interior.

8. Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska (6-6, 298)
You just don't see many defensive ends carrying 300 pounds who can move as well as Carriker.

Posted by: [cc] | January 4, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Name change only if forced too by supreme court decsion. Suggestion Red Warriors.

Posted by: Old School | January 4, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

dealer, I dunno, but I have the same beg to people who did listen to Riggo last night.

Think about this though. Lets say $nyder, who supposedly does not read Big Media, reads Don Banks on SI.com who gives his run down on what every team needs to do to make it back next year. On the Skins, Banks only talks about getting a GM and trading Portis. As team president, St. Joe effectively is the GM, or at least has that hiring/firing authority. [If they do hire a GM, what IS left for St. Joe to do, other than the super smart pressers?] The bigger problem, if $nyder presses the point, is an actual GM decision ... trading Portis. St. Joe is 100% behind his deputy GM (Portis) regardless of any friction CP has with Saunders. Gibbs would LOVE a two RB running game. Touching Portis would ruin that (and leave us stranded with Betts alone, maybe Duckett, but so what?). THAT seems like something that could get REAL heated. [That or maybe firing Coy Gibbs.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

That's my boy Quinn! He and I plan on jumping into the horseless carriage for some shopping at Barney's prior to draft day.

"Spiritual Gameplan". Hmmmmm.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I always liked the "Washington Red Tape". We could even have as our mascot, "Filibuster", the costumed timeout.

The existing name is horrible.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

can I hire a coordinator to draw up my spiritual game plans? They're in need of some trickery.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

My spiritual gameplan always involves end arounds.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Cuts (I would say trade, but I don't think anyone other than Vinny C would trade for these duds): Lloyd, Brunell, Duckett, Fauria, Archuletta, Wynn, Wright, Fox, Holdman, Frost

Resign: Dockery

Free Agents: CB(Nate Clements), SS (Dieon Grant), WR (Jerry Porter or any available possession WR), MLB (anyone with size), P (some old vet)

Draft: DE (either the one from Clemson or Georgia, which ever is available at pick #6 in April)

Depth: Get bargain basement 'talent' at DL and blocking TE thru the late draft picks and FAs

Playbooks: Have Gibbs go through the 700 page playbook of Saunders and tear out any plays that do not represent 'Redskins football'
Lock double-g in a room until he fixes the problems with cover-2

That should fix the major problems, with the biggest risk being Shushiam as kicker... but if he struggles during the preseason you can usually bring in another kicker late

Posted by: If I were a GM | January 4, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

aah- the old 'burning bush reverse'

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Name change:

Red Tide
Marketing line - Catch the Red Tide. Our play's infectious!

Posted by: skinswest | January 4, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I assume the spiritual game plan website is an joke/spoof, right? I mean, it really looks real....

http://www.joegibbsonline.com/

If it is real - not only is it offensive to me to have a coach who is basically using his position to prosteletize (sp?), but we need a coach who is desparate to win, not one who puts everything in such deep religious perspective. He's done.

Posted by: Ohmigod! | January 4, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

For his Spiritual Game Plan, I heard Gibbs has Moses, the prophet Muhammad, Pope Benedict, Buddah, and Lord Vishnu as his associate head coach assistants

Posted by: Lordy | January 4, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

New team name: Washington Registered Trademarks. That way we can go back to the old 'R' helmets and Dan can threaten to sue anyone who uses the name.

Also, am I the only one who is becoming annoyed with announcers calling end-arounds 'reverses' and reverses 'double-reverses'? They actually got it right in our game this week but that's the first time I've heard it called correctly all season. And I have the NFL ticket so it's not just Skins games. TK even screwed it up on MNF early in the season. I thought we taught him well.

Posted by: [cc] | January 4, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

sadly, I think it's genuine. He's preaching his guts out.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how anyone could even possible muse the idea of trading Portis. The only actually memorable time in these past three years is pretty much attributed to Clinton. Remember all the way back in 2005? Who was the maniac who got dressed up, made us all look forward to Thursdays, and then would crush the opposing team's defense? Clinton, that's who. And I guarentee when the game is on the line, he wont fumble, unlike Ladell "Slippy Fingers" Betts, who fumbled not once, not twice, but three critical times. Clinton is the soul and attidude of the team when he is out there. He is a real character and very charismatic, kinda like that old guy Riggins from the 80's. Oh yea, and he has modified the Skins uniform 2 times already, basically by himself. He can be the face of the Redskins for years, and he has something Ladell doesn't...the superstar factor. Betts is respectable and sometimes durable, but he is not a superstar. If we traded Portis, we would take a huge cap hit, alienate more veterans in the locker room, and lose our identity. Portis needs to stay!!!

Posted by: Macaca Johnson | January 4, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Team Name: The Red States (A broad but more targeted appeal then "Americas Team"

Tagline: Ready to go to War!
Alt Tag: TD Efforts will Not be Aborted!


Posted by: Joe Kazaneau | January 4, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Before this post, I didn't know about joegibbsonline. After looking at it, I'm not much bothered. He doesn't seem to be proselitizing (sp?). He doesn't hold himself out as better than others. First Amendment freedom of religion, freedom of speech (internet). With high blood pressure and diabetes, I hope he does something to manage his stress.

In the post-game on Gerald Ford's funeral, there was something about him being religious, but secretly so because he didn't want people to think he thought he was better than them. I liked that about him. Gerald Ford helped the country heal after an illegitimate war and a potentially criminal Presidency. We need another Gerald Ford NOW.

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

New name: Warriors. The WW thing works for the Wizards. (Gilbert Arenas has a cousin who plays football for Alabama...I'm not saying, I'm just saying).

The name has a nice flow and we can keep the uniform theme, but go back to the Spear Helmets and Dark Burgundy uniforms.

Posted by: etrod | January 4, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Macaca - I totally agree. And I don't know if you meant to spell it that way, but I am referring to Portis as "The Attidude" from now on. That's classic!

Posted by: [cc] | January 4, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Odd how my parents probably thought Ford and Goldwater were right-wing nutcases but now I look upon them as pillars of centrist government.

I wonder if I should develop a Spiritual Gameplan now, in the event that today's right-wing nutcases become "centrists" when I'm old, incontinent, and in need of a Viagra-Cialis cocktail.

Heh heh, I said cocktail.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Ford was a center (All American no doubt) and his wife a junkie, neither of which this team needs right now. I also believe he was on steroids.

Posted by: Joe Kazaneau | January 4, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

To Clarify---The Steroids were to aid in his heath treatments as a 90+ year old but still...

Posted by: Joe Kazaneau | January 4, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Actually, if you ask me, what this team needs is a personality. It's all vanilla ice cream over. We need to mix in some pistachio and maybe even some Cherry Garcia.

You know, St. Joe may be insane and old, but the dude still knows football. In 2005, he knew he had three great players on his offense (Portis, Moss, Cooley). So, what does he do? He gives it to Portis, Moss, and Cooley. Every single game, it was one of a combination of those three guys who did the gut check and pulled it out. And, when in doubt or when struggling? Give it to Portis.

This year? Insanity. Motions, shifts, rinky dinks. Insane.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Diddy- I like your plan for a spiritual game plan. One day we'll long for the progressive, level-headed vision of Bush 43.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

McSween-

Certainly he has a constitutional right to do http://www.joegibbsonline.com/. The question, though, is - is it appropriate?

As coach of the Redskins, he is, for better or worse, representing the hopes of many many DC area fans, many of whom (like me) do not share his religious beliefs, and many of whom (like me) are offended by such a public display of religion, which should be personal and private.

Dan Snyder can hire anyone he wants to be coach of the Redskins... it is his constitutional right. But, if the person he hires wears his religion on his sleave in this way, it is bound to offend a substantial fraction of the fan base. No other Redskins coach could EVER get away with having such a religion-based website. It would offend too many fans. By having such a website, Joe Gibbs is basically exploiting the goodwill generated by his past successes to get away with a terribly innapropriate public display of religious zeal.

Posted by: Ohmigod! | January 4, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Hayes, it's all Tiki's fault.

Damn you Tiki!

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

anyone else read Diddy's post as "it's all vanilla ice" and then start having flashbacks?

Posted by: [cc] | January 4, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

nah, it's not Tiki's fault. i blame Tom Cruise.

Posted by: [cc] | January 4, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Everything is Tiki's fault! I have blammed everything bad that has happened since Saturday on Tiki and I will continue to do so!

Posted by: CE | January 4, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

vanilla the bad nu metal years? or vanilla the bad caucasian rap years?

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

>>> "for better or worse, representing the hopes of many many DC area fans"

Uh, I sincerely hope that 'DC area fans' aren't placing their 'hopes' in a professional football team. If so, those folks need a wee bit of a reality check.

What he represents is a big part of the weekend entertainment value of most DC area residents. Or at least, the ones that haven't tuned out after 15 years of incompetence.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Damn you Tom Cruise!

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy, the vanilla ice character would be Adam Archuleta. The personality we need is, without question, the Domino's Fudg-ems thing.

But I do think the Skins have a personality.
No question about Moss-Cooley-Portis being the bedrock of production. Portis' charisma, plus his part in the bedrock, make him the voice of the Skins personality (or, at least, what it should be). Those three guys really are the personality. Moss and Cooley, when they do talk, are always soft spoken and win-focused. No jibber jabber (a la Shockey, T.O., Chad Johnson). I love the fact that we don't have a loudmouth receiver (accepting that Lloyd is on a probationary status).

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Diddy That was the Brunell version of of the saunders gibbs offense the 2% of the playbook was all MB was comforable with. Notice how when JC took over the wide reciever screen (a brunell staple) was basically removed from the offense. Portis was never close 100%, he is still the man and I think he will play angry next year to prove it.

Posted by: o | January 4, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

that was me diddy.

Posted by: Old School | January 4, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

None of this season was my fault.

Posted by: Ethan Hunt | January 4, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong, I adore Portis. Love him to death. I also love Moss and, of course, I have a man-crush on Cooley because that dude is just plain cool.

I also have nothing at all against Weird Al. He is a proven winner, and Portis will shut his trap when he shows up for mini camp and be the professional he has always been. I put no credence in what is said now because it is nothing more than good venting over a massively frustrating season.

All of that said, the number one element of every offensive gameplan has to be "Give it to Portis". When you're struggling, give it to Portis. 1 yard gain? Fine, at least the little guy will smack a safety in the mouth on the way down.

I am at a loss to explain this "trade Portis" sentiment. I mean, wha??? The little guy has proven he will do anything to win.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Damn you, John Madden!

Posted by: Ethan Albright | January 4, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Ohmigod, I'm a parent and all I have to say is what I say to other parents who complain about too much sex and violence (and excessive marketing to children) on television ... don't watch it ... turn it off. I didn't know about joegibbsonline.com until this morning. It wasn't a particularly "public display" to me. Its not like he's John Ashcroft. This is not government. Football is leisure.

I like Joe Gibbs. Sounds like he has something that keeps his boat afloat. To think that religion or spirituality doesn't affect the life of football professionals (players included) is silly. Its one thing to take away the steriods, its another thing to take away the other opiate.

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

This is addressed to "If I were a GM" regarding your post on cuts:

Wynn and Fox are NOT duds! Wynn is a total team player who accepted his position as back up with a lot of class. He is a stand up guy and it ticks me off to hear him called a "dud." As for Fox, he is an amazing special teams player.....you are so off base with those two.

As to JoeGibbsOnline.com, it is my understanding that he created this website in order to stay in touch with the outside world and his spirtual side since his life has been consumed by football. The site has nothing to do with football and is about Gibbs as a person. There is nothing wrong with this and for those of you who have a problem with it...get real.

Posted by: Lisa | January 4, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Rumors are swirling that Dan Henning (OC-Panthers; OC for Gibbs for 2 Super Bowls) will be fired.

Wierd Al out, Dan Henning in?

Posted by: CMoney | January 4, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

definitely Cruise's fault. He brought loads of thetans into Fed Ex with him opening night....Xenu's wrath coming down hard on the skins....need spiritual game plan from St Joe to fight off Scientological demons...

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Time for me to finally speak out:

Damn you Al Saunders and Greg Williams! Joe can still do no wrong in my eyes, he's my boyhood idol!

Posted by: Dan Snyder | January 4, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton had allowed me to heal him then you would have had him all season. Silly heathens.

Posted by: Ethan Hunt | January 4, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Ethan, as always, if you are caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow all knowledge. This message will self-destruct.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

On a related note, they never tell you in "Mission: Impossible" who the IMF works for, only that the "Secretary" will disavow all knowledge.

I wonder if it's the Secretary of Defense or the Secretary of State. Seems they've both disavowed all knowledge of late...

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

ohmigod,

Don't you think that with a name like the Redskins that you would be assured of offending a substantial portion of your fan base?

I am not an especially religious person, but I have a deep respect for people who are not afraid to show their faith or lack of faith.

Joe Gibbs has never kept his religion a secret, nor should he. He was just as religious in his first go around with the Redskins, there was just no internet so there was no web site.

If you have had the opportunity to meet him, you will know that he is not one to push his beliefs on anyone. However if the subject comes up, he will glady share his point of view.

When you are viewing his personal website, you are basically asking him what he's all about and he's telling you. It is up to you to ask again or not.

Being deeply religious has nothing to do with your will to win or compete at the highest level. Just look at Darrell Green, David Robinson, Tony Dungy, etc...

now if you don't mind, i have to get back to choir practice :)

Posted by: etrod | January 4, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Well said, etrod. I personally ignore all the religiosity in the air these days, but I also don't find it offensive. It's just not for me, just like the TV shows and movies I watch are probably not for them.

Don't like it, don't watch it.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Sup Guys/Gals........

I know I am late on this, but....

The article yeasterday about GG was pretty good and I kinda like him more now than I did before. Did anyone else feel this? He def needs to stay around.

Les/JLaC/Howard - ENOUGH WITH THESE DAG-GONE ANNONOMOUS SOURCES!! I'm TIRED OF IT.

Why is it you can only directly qoute from people that have good things to say about him?!?!? Like CP Said - WE NEED TO BE MEN ON THIS. BE YOUR OWN MAN AND SAY 'YEAH, I SAID IT?'

Also - I side bar - I believe I was one of the few people who thaught it was Archibingus, and he was called out in the article as being 'Deep Cover'.....

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 4, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy --

I agree a thousand times over on Portis. How quickly we forget how friggin good he is. On the list of why this season was lost, Portis' injury is right behind the collapse of the defense. Betts is a nice running back. But he is no Clinton Portis. Clinton is a leader, a tough SOB, a great blocker, a threat to take it to the house on every play and under-utilized as a pass catcher. Betts has a nack for putting the ball on the turf at inopportune times.

Posted by: CMoney | January 4, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

The Impossible Mission Force is now an independant entity. We answer to no one. We do have lots of secretaries at VDOT though!

Posted by: Ethan Hunt | January 4, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Lisa- Wynn is locker room gold and we should def hang onto Fox as he made some plays down the stretch.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Gibbs' site...it's his right. But, I'm not really a fan of outwardly expressing one's religious beliefs. If something is sacred to you, you shouldn't have to peddle it to others. Also, 'spiritual gameplan'?? How corny can you get?

It's just Gibbs being Gibbs. That's the way he works up here.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

also...for those pushing the Portis trade...are you nuts?!!

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey, as long as your Spiritual Gameplan includes plenty of split ends and end arounds, I'm all for it. I'm also quite fond of the hook and ladder and Statue of Liberty. Seems to work every time.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, I listened to a piece about President Ford on the history channel the other day. When he pardoned Nixon for Watergate, which was somewhat scandalous at the time, he said in his speech that his reasoning was that God asks us to forgive each other in the way that He forgives us.

I was only around for 1 year of his administration, so I thought it was interesting to note that other presidents spoke of faith (and in this case quoted the Bible) as much as President Bush. However, I believe the audience is certainly more sensitive to perceived proselytizing now than in the mid 70s.

This hyper-sensitivity is demonstrated by those who criticize Joe Gibbs and feign offense because he talks about his struggles on HIS OWN website and puts them within the perspective of his faith.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | January 4, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

don't forget the 'walk on water run blitz'

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

We here at the IMF would like to trade for Portis. He really fights his guts out and is a true master of disguise. Of course he'll have to learn how to rappel and shoot a gun but I don't see that as an untrainable problem.

We'll give you Luther Stickell as compensation: he's super smart and knows how to use computers. This can only be an advantage, think of it as an "upgrade" for Holdman.

Posted by: Ethan Hunt | January 4, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Sign Nate Clements.
Draft Alan Branch, Gaines Adams or Leon Hall.

Move Springs to safety is Clements if acquired.

Posted by: JB | January 4, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

You guys are crazy for chastising Gibbs website. There is nothing wrong with it. This man does great things. Did you see the Fox Sunday Morning Political Show when they did a piece on Gibbs and the Christian Based School he made for trouble teens in VA? That was awsome. All this is done during his off time.

As long as he dosen't intrude on someone, this is all fair game. I wish it was a Muslim/Jew/Buddist type Gibbs that would do the same. Oh wait, there is, but they are just not head coaches in the NFL

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 4, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I think Gibbs is also a republican, but I'd still follow him to the end of the earth.

PS - not a republican.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | January 4, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

We are all over the map today. Which is fun.

Gibbs has always been deeply religious, it's the center of who he is. And we love who he is. But he's never said anything which I considered proselytizing in any context as coach. He talks football and other topics. Good for him if he's using his high profile to advance his other interests. Any of us would be silly not to do the same, had we the same high profile.

The team mascot has to change, and it will change. Danny quietly bought the rights to the name "Washington Warriors" a few years back under the pretense of potentially landing an Arena League team. But everyone knew that he wanted full control over that name, for when the time comes to change it. Come on, the name Redskins is ridiculously insensitive, and there is no justification for it, none whatsoever.

And don't worry, they will still the old-school hats with the curly R, they will always sell them, but when the mascot changes they will triple in price and become authentic replica throwback lids.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

There are exceptions to religious beliefs affecting your on-field performance. (See Pedro Cerrano in Major League 2)

Posted by: etrod | January 4, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

re: joegibbsonline. i'm not of that religion. i don't believe in that religion. i don't believe in religion (period). i think religion is bad for a lot of reasons.

HOWEVA, i do know that a LOT of humanity finds comfort in religion. and religion helps them do good deeds. joe gibbs is the type of person that needed religion as a guide to life. and like most born agains (of all faiths, christains, jews, islam, hindus, sikhs, bhudists...) he LOVES his religion. and he's really eager to share it with everyone, the "truth" he's found in his life.

and it's actually his religion to spread the "word of god". so to mock/criticize his web site you're infact criticizing his religious beliefs. and even for someone who doesn't like religion like myself i think it's not right to do that. because i feel like you'd mock me too if i was preaching the religion of no religion. dig?

so let's just show some openness, acceptance and show some respect to someone else's religion.

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

**ck you Jobu! I do it myself.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Leroy: "At least I have chicken."??

Posted by: LWC | January 4, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

4th, excellent point about the school for boys which Gibbs has run for many years. A real charity undertaking, doing good work and helping people. That I think is the primary expression of Gibbs' faith, good works. You can also think of Jimmy Carter and his post-presidential promotion of Habitat for Humanity and other terrific causes. How can you fault someone's religiosity if it's the font of legitimate good works that really help people in need?

Tolerance now, yo!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

BTW - Anthony "Goose" Edwards just emailed me to say it is indeed Tom Cruise's fault but that it all started with that flat spin back in '86...

Posted by: [cc] | January 4, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Tower, this is Ghost rider requesting a flyby.

Posted by: Maverick | January 4, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Joe is fulfilling his Christian duties of being a "prophet", a "priest" and a "king", on earth. As prophet he speaks to men about God; as a priest he talks to God about men; and he has shown himself to live on earth with the "dignity" of a King, with the love, joy, and peace of Jesus, that nobody and nothing can take away... with the "dignity" of a child of God. People who are bothered shouldn't visit the site.

Posted by: The Word | January 4, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

and ICE MAN e-mailed me and said tom cruise can be his wingman anytime

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

That is a negative, Ghost Rider. The pattern is full.

Posted by: Tower | January 4, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Like some of you but by no means all, I believe the cupboard is half full. A few key pickups and we're good to go. My wish list for the player acquisition season, in descending order of need:

#1 starting cornerback
Starting strong safety*
Offensive line depth
Defensive tackle depth
Secondary depth
Linebacker depth
Defensive end depth
Tight end depth

* If someone already on the roster emerges as a starting strong safety, that's okay with me.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

dealer - i thought Danny was Cruise's new wing man.

Posted by: [cc] | January 4, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Religion in sports? It can't be! Tell me it isn't so!

What I like the best is when any player makes a play and then points to the sky afterward, as if to say, "Oh, thank you, God, for helping me make that great catch, and for making all those other schmucks fall down down so they couldn't catch me in time!"

What I like second-best is that during interviews after a game, no one on the losing team thanks God for anything.

Posted by: Jobu | January 4, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Back to Football.....

Portis - Untradeable. I believe we should have a Blaw to banish Portis trade talks.

Wade - Cut Jansen and sign Wade for less money. He panned out good for me in Madden '07 :-).

Fox - Resign on the cheap.

Frost - Resign

Holdman - Sign him for the Vet min if he is liked in the locker room.

Lloyd & Archibingus - Have Dan Snyder call them an threaten if they don't do better, we will keep them for the remainder of their contracts (atleast 2-3 more years) and have them sit at home and watch the games on 60" PLasma Screen (in HD, of course).

Randle-El - Turn him into the 3rd WR and 3rd QB.

Springs - Take a small paycut and play Safety/3rd CB.

Clements - DO NOT SIGN. Draft a get someone like D. Wills (RIP).

6th Pick in the Draft - From yesterday's performance, Brady Quinn will still be available at this spot. Trade down with another team that wants him and add more youth.

Posted by: 4th | January 4, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Anybody want to join me/take me on in a point-counterpoint guest blog on changing the Redskins name? I'll take either side. Say we take about a month to hammer it out?

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | January 4, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Like some of you but by no means all, I believe the cupboard is half full. A few key pickups and we're good to go. My wish list for the player acquisition season, in descending order of need:

#1 starting cornerback
Starting strong safety*
Offensive line depth
Defensive tackle depth
Secondary depth
Linebacker depth
Defensive end depth
Tight end depth

* If someone already on the roster emerges as a starting strong safety, that's okay with me.


Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 01:45 PM

Nate: i love you man, but you got to be kidding about linebacker depth. . .

we need a couple of starting LBs and really, really need a real MLB. . .

My Draft shopping list . . .

#1 need is pass rushing DE
#2 need is a real MLB
#3 need is CB in the secondary - assuming we can either keep springs or replace him w/ a FA. (if we can get a pass rush, ,everyone back there automatically looks better)

#4 depth across the board on defense

I will be very disappointed if we do not keep dock and Pucillo/Wade.

I will be very disappointed if we use FA to do something other than replace springs if he decides to go. . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | January 4, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Iceman told me the same thing, then tried to bite my face.

Posted by: etrod | January 4, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

New franchise name -

The Washington Wasps

Float like Brandon Lloyd and Sting like Sean Taylor.

Posted by: M Ali | January 4, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

4th- I second the blaw

God scores all touchdowns. I nailed my deadline at work today and pointed to the sky. The big man hooked me up.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

8k, I just don't think we're going to have a chance to remake the entire linebacking corps this offseason. I don't like the situation back there either, but I have a feeling Grilliams likes those dudes. Hell, he picked Lemar over Pierce and Holdman over LaVar, right? Just hoping Marcus comes back strong and Rocky is given a chance to start next year.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Weebles - cause Weebles wobble but they don't fall down.

Posted by: Has Bro | January 4, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think that Holdman might not suck as much in the middle?

Posted by: etrod | January 4, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

dealer - i thought Danny was Cruise's new wing man.

you know you're on this blog too much when you can predict word for word what the response to your comment's gonna be. :)

you read my f-ing mind cc! *bows down to [cc] and begs for forgiveness japanese style*

*opens his mouth with a wide teethy smile and SHUTS mouth while still smiling*

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Holdman in the middle? Then he can miss tackles in both directions!

Posted by: LaVar | January 4, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope Lemar returns to 2005 form...I don't think we can afford to lose ground by bringing another MLB along. That said, Holdman's gotta go. We need another stud linebacker to compliment Washington.

This is a major weakness that needs to be addressed. I'm 100% for an all defensive draft. Too bad we won't trade down and get more picks.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

New name - The Washington Warblers

The NFL needs more bird names.

Posted by: Larry Bird | January 4, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

SHWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

*OUCH!* MOTHERFUBACHI MAVERICK!

Posted by: Tower | January 4, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

What this team needs is a better dress code! Coat, Tie, and Crew Cuts all around. If you look like a team, you play like one! Ain't that right Sam?

...now where is my cigar? Damn, these Depends keep leaking. Uh Oh. Larry Michael, quit typing my words on that interweb thing! I said my bit. Wait til I tell Danny on you....

Posted by: Sonny J. (HOF #7) | January 4, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking he has a little more size and maybe they can use him as a Trotter type and just run him straight a the line of scrimmage Kamikazi style.

Posted by: etrod | January 4, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

etrod - Remember Trotter didn't really fit on our Defense. That's why we got rid of him.........

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 4, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Washington Redd Foxes - Just like Sanford and Son, they are always trying to salvage something. And Gibbs is big on salvation.

Posted by: Brunello | January 4, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

he didn't fit Marvin Lewis and George Edward's defense. Man boobs style is more like a Jim Johnson type attack, except that it sucks.

Posted by: etrod | January 4, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Yikes! I walk away from my desk for an hour (damb work!) and the thread degenerates to religion and politics. I've spent this season trying to stay focused here on the Skins, and religion/politics becomes the new heavy metal/Xbox/soccer/kids/etc. topic of the day. My bad.

Getting back in character, I think the Skins have deeper needs at pass rushing and interceptions than we do at LB. After a season of Holdman hating, folks need to go back to the last few games. He really did turn a corner. Of course, Carter did a HUGE turn of the corner, so no one noticed Holdman picking up the tackles to be made when Carter missed on the rush. I think we have 3.5 solid LBs, with room for big next steps from RockyMac and/or K.Campbell (sorry Posey, whoever you are).

What we need more at the LB spot is a fresh LB coach. Not that I have any idea about the relationship between GG and Lindsay, but the guys on the field seem to have reached a plateau. Someone needs to be inserted into the mix (maybe even someone with some real NFL playing time) to get the GG defense over the hump of the last few rounds of receiver-friendly/QB-friendly NFL rule changes.

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will play a 3-4 alignment next year, featuring the following players:

Adam Archuleta - OLB
Antonio Pierce - ILB (Giants don't really like him anyway)
Rocky Mac - ILB
Prioleau - OLB

With the old defensive line intact and Springs at safety, the AARP Defense can take us all back to the days of the Over the Hill Gang.

Posted by: Gregg Williams | January 4, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I get the feeling that TK is writing half these posts.

Posted by: Wilbon is my hero | January 4, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Now starting at Inside Linebacker:

Parker Posey

Posted by: Preston P - I'm a safety, damn it! | January 4, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Worst linebacker recommendations of all time there Gregg. You really are an idiot.

And Springs as a safety? You people are insane or just truly dumb.

Posted by: Buddy Ryan | January 4, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Brunello,

I just read the last blog entry. We bet TCCL (couch leaps) here. Had to do 10 when the Skins lost to the Jints.

Posted by: charlie | January 4, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I agree with you on Fox. He moved his game to a new level and has a chance to pick it up again. Wynn, on the other hand, has as much game as he is going to have. When Carter came in, the battle for the other spot got decided in favor of one of our two 9+ year vets ... Daniels. I think both guys mean alot to the team, and I'm not an 'ageist' (what is the word for an age bigot?), but every year, the OTs and TEs we face get younger. Time catches up to a body. Recovery time takes longer. Like every player/coach says after a much discussed, fan-hated move, "NFL is a business."

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry.

Now starting at OUTSIDE Linebacker -

Parker Posey

AARP Defense RULEZ!

Posted by: Preston P - I'm a safety, damn it! | January 4, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK

Hi everyone. I know I know. I've been gone a couple of weeks. Ya see, I had this lil' ol' problem called "use or loose vacation" ...

JLaC - want some of my PTO hours?

Anyone need a hug?

*hugs*

Posted by: SallieMae | January 4, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Holy cow! A ***SallieMae*** appearance!

Thank you all for the "Top Gun" quotes. Thank you especially for the Pedro Cerrano quotes.

You peeps is funnee!

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Buddy Ryan? Oh, did you get a job on the University of Hawaii staff too? I thought you were dead.

If you aren't, you should be. The 4-6 Defense is history.

AARP Defense RULEZ FOREVER!

Posted by: Gregg Williams | January 4, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

(putting Buddy Ryan's folder in vertical file)

Posted by: Gregg Williams | January 4, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

After a season of Holdman hating, folks need to go back to the last few games. He really did turn a corner.

You're joking of course. Right? Right? Please tell me you are 'cause let's look at those last few games:

Atlanta: 1 tackle
Philly: 2 tackles
NO: 1 tackle
STL: 7 (His season high. Even chumps have a good game now and then)
NYG: 2

Look, this guy is bad, really #ucking bad. If you've recorded any of the games go back and watch him play to play; but bring a barf bag cause you're gonna need it. He gets knocked out of position by guys half his size; pipsquekers that Novashank could flatten toss him around like a rag doll.

There is no corner to turn here for him, except the corner that meets him when he's thrown out on his a$$.

I'm sorry, but the season is over and it was awful, let's not start revising history.


Posted by: Megskin | January 4, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

6th Pick in the Draft - From yesterday's performance, Brady Quinn will still be available at this spot. Trade down with another team that wants him and add more youth.

Posted by: 4th | January 4, 2007 01:48 PM

Quinn is going to picked in the second. He is a non-factor.

Posted by: charlie | January 4, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh, sorry, Prioleau. I get you and Parker Posey mixed up. You have the same initials, after all. And you aren't NFL coaches yet, so you don't get individual files.

Posted by: Gregg Williams | January 4, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I have a "file" on Brooklyn Decker.

Not only is she hot, but she shares names with both my favorite kind of Domino's pizza and one of the Captains of the USS Enterprise.

How can you go wrong?

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh, yeah and why do we have to play TB and MN almost every year? What's up with that?

Posted by: charlie | January 4, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

hey- I had a brainfart and forgot to mention something about lost season III...

Did Creedence Pondwater actually say that hey talks to Pierce all the time and they're best buds????!!!!!

WTF?!!! WTF?!!

Here's a radical thought: why not keep him on your team and you can talk to him everyday...heck, even coach him. Retard.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Who is this Megskin person? She seems to know about defense stuff. Maybe I can get Joe to hire her as Assistant Defensive Personnel Coordinator. She can be my hatchetperson. (Tell Holdman to bring his playbook and his underarmor.)

Posted by: Gregg Williams | January 4, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

yea, but Holdman had 57 flying massages and 92 shoelace ties second half of the season. Superconcientious.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Megskin,

Thank you for the Holdman stats. I hereby recant my motion to move Warrick to the middle and accept my stupidity for what it is...a way to avoid work.

Does anyone have Niel Ocklewietz's number?

Posted by: etrod | January 4, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I picked that up too Jeff. WTF?? Was this a typo? Was Les talking about someone else?

***Jason's Editor - We need clarification on this one.

Charlie - Are you talking about 2nd pick or round regarding Quinn? The LSU QB is waaaay better.

Buddy - They turned Troy Vincent into a safety, why not Shawn (Go Springbrook!)?

Posted by: 4th | January 4, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"He really did turn a corner." You're absolutely right...Holdman turned a corner, and whiffed on the ball-carrier on the way through

Posted by: 4-12 | January 4, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Pierce is my close personal friend. We talk all the time. He will be my linebacker coach when his playing career is over. I sent him to the Giants so he could spy for us. But the offensive coaches didn't use the information he supplied.

Posted by: Gregg Williams | January 4, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

They turned Troy Vincent into a safety, why not Shawn

Becuase safeties are called on to actually tackle when people like Tiki break into your secondary.

Let's imagine it for one moment: Tiki vs Springs
Tiki 1 TD. Springs 3+ broken bones. This time he'd end up eating his scapula

Springs is cornerback; he can play the extra back in a nickel and other packages but that's about it.


Posted by: Megskin | January 4, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

guys, you're turning this blog into football geeks blog. holdman? inside? outside? middle? c'mon!

diddy, talk about booze, lisa, workout, jm, smack, talk about playoff bound teams like the zards or the girls. but skins middle line backers? that shti's so dry man!

and in the zeal you guys are talking about this stuff...like it matters. no PLAYER, coach is going to fix this dysfunctional team/disorganization.

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

4th, you go to Springbrook? Class of '91 here...

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK

Holy cow! A ***SallieMae*** appearance!

My dear P ... *hugs* how I do love you. really, I do. There are a few bloggers that I stop, pause, and read every word written/blogged. You are one. Since I am in catchup mode now reading 2 weeks worth of past blogs ... I hafta admit I'm not reading everything right now ... just my favorite bloggers to get a feeling of what's being said.

Lessee - I shouldn't talk about the obvious: Double G, Archibungus, the D not showing up this year, etc.

Oh ... while I'm thinking about it ... I'll be around all year also. Heck, the WaPo Redskin page is one of my first stops in the morning crusing the net while at work.

I'm in!

*hugs*

Posted by: SallieMae | January 4, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

dealer, I don't recall talking about middle linebackers. The only middle linebacker I know about is the lady at my cafeteria at work.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Megskin, welcome back and thanks for the reality slap. Factually, the only stat I remember seeing on Holdman was that St. Louis game. The number stuck in my head and I put him into the AC box mentally. The fact slap helps. He's done. I revise my (half a$$ed ... make that quarter a$$ed) take on the LBs. We need a new starter, maybe two. Posey, Holdman, gone. Anyone have any data on whether Archuleta even could play LB?

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Charlie - Are you talking about 2nd pick or round regarding Quinn? The LSU QB is waaaay better.

But Quinn is WHITE and LSU QB is BLACK.

Quinn will get 10 years of chances just like archie's boy's brother, phill simm's son, and LSU QB will get 2 at the most and in third's training camp he'll be asked to be an Outside Linebacker and if he doesn't he'll be called a f-ing coach killa!

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Arch is 6', about 220 pounds. Basically Lemar sized. I'd like to see bigger LBs myself

Posted by: 4-12 | January 4, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

W/R to Quinn, Kiper says Raiders can't afford to pass on dude. I agree. You can't judge a college QB only on what you see in games like LSU/ND. There was definitely a disparity in talent. Quinn didn't have the speed at receiver or elsewhere to beat teams of the caliber of Michigan, USC and LSU. Is Tee Martin a better QB than BBM?

Posted by: Learned Hand | January 4, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

btw i heard someone say that Sean Taylor is bigger than lemar marshal. so hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

dealer, I hate to say you're right on that topic, but you really, really are. It's sad, but true. They're doing it to McNabb in Philly now, too.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

SallieMae is back. All is right with the world.

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Is Tee Martin a better QB than BBM?

tee martin won the big one with the same if not lesser talent than that real coach killer.

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

4-12, I think Lemar was originally a safety at Michigan State. Not that I think AA deserves any attention for anything, but the dead cap space for the next five years means he either needs to walk away from his sweet deal ... or we need to find another job for him. He can't play strong safety ... and Sean Taylor is the free safety.

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, you're right, he was a safety in college, and ditto the Grim Reaper...he's not moving from free safety.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 4, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

The topic of black/white QBs reminds me of something I found trying to figure out whatever happened to Jesse Lumsden. [He plays for the Tiger Cats in Canada again.] On a site like this one in the local paper, someone argued that Lumsden could never play in the NFL b/c he's white. The guy was saying that white RBs get turned into tight ends or defensive backs. That got me thinking, so looking down about half the depth charts (AFC side), the only white backs I found were a couple of full backs. ARE there any white RBs (other than fullbacks, like Allstott) in NFL rosters? If not, what gives?

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd also rather keep AA and cut lloyd. at least AA can personal protect his guts out, while all lloyd can do is personal punk his guts out

Posted by: 4-12 | January 4, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Class 0f '98 here. I played fooseball there as well. In my 10th grade year. Shawn Springs came to the weight room to talk to us (he was a sophmore then at OSU). Dude was very personable and cool.

Learnard - WTF are you talkin about? You just proved Dealers' point. No excuses. This dude went to Notre Dame and is coached by Weiss. Quinn will be another Ryan Leaf. He is only getting these acculades because he has a pretty boy smile and his sister is hot to most people (she has gotten face time in 2 consec years at MAjor Bowls). I have hardly seen anything GREAT about him. I know this because I watched almost all of their Dagone games. If you can't beat the power houses, you won't succed in the NFL if you are from a Major Program.

Posted by: 4th | January 4, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK

jm22 - *hugs* ... oh, btw - It is a pleasant surprise to see how good looking you are.

Something I saw on TV and wonder if anyone else saw it ... megskin maybe?

2 games ago ... Rocky performs something like "Linebacker in motion" on a short yardage play and singlehandedly stops the runner at the line, no gai. I believe the actual story was there were only 10 players on the field and Holdman? noticed Rocky wasn't there and hollered at him to get in the game.

Still ... motion in defense? I knew tactic?

*hugs* to all and Happy New Year.

Posted by: SallieMae | January 4, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Still ... motion in defense? I knew tactic?

Defenses adjust all the time: before snap, at the snap and even after the snap. Old school stuff, nothing new there.

Posted by: Megskin | January 4, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

diddy, you know how racial profiling goes. you been on the receiving end with the microsoft job.

i don't like mcnaab. i think he chokes and just got too fat. but look at mike vick? some idiot actually had the audacity to suggest turning him into an RB? did anyone say that about steve young, john elway?

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Washington Donkey Punches

Posted by: jo | January 4, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Ten years ago there was something to the "black QBs don't get a shot", but I don't see it now.

In 1996 would Vince Young have gone ahead of Leinhart in the draft? Would Miami have chosen Culpepper over Brees? Would Vick still have a job ahead of Schaub? I don't know -- but, thankfully, the facts suggest that in 2006 the "stigma" of a black QB has all but been erased.

Posted by: CMoney | January 4, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

4th how did I prove dealer's point? Biases aside, BBM is a great pro QB. Many of the great one's never one a NC in college or a Super Bowl. Ever hear of Kelley and Marino? No doubt, JaMarcus Russell is a good QB but last night's loss, like all of ND's losses this year, is on ND's defense more than Quinn. And you can't rate Russell on one performance. Did you see him against Florida or Auburn?
And Kiper, who knows a little bit about these things, said Quinn should go No. 1. WTF is he talking about is the better question.

Posted by: Learned Hand | January 4, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't see anything wrong with suggesting turning Vick into a RB. The guy shows flashes but is way too inconsistent. Coach killer! It has nothing to do with his skin.

Idiotic is suggesting turning Mark Brunell into a RB.

Posted by: Brunello | January 4, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

dealer, Vick did have over a thousand yards rushing this year (as did Dunn). I think Vick has inconsistent passing games ... some weeks awesome, other weeks worse than Ramsey. The jury is still out one what Vick could do with reliable receivers. [McNabb, on the other hand, is consistently awesome in my book.] Randel-El got moved from QB to receiver b/c (1) of his size and (2) he has a QB's mindset about routes. People are saying that Troy Smith won't be a pro QB b/c he is too short. What really got me though, was a comment last night by the other game voice (not Bradshaw or Howie) comparing JaMarcus Russell to "a big Doug Williams", and then (I think) Collinsworth said more like Kordell Stewart. How about a comparison to a tall white QB? It's endemic.

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Since we are, indeed, all over the map today, I point this out for those who might have missed it in our Style section:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/03/AR2007010301847.html

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 4, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Our team needs so much help it's ridiculous. We definitely need to trade down from that 6th pick once or twice and pick up a couple 2nd and 3rd round picks. (Hopefully we'll finally get a GM to not waste those picks)

The most important thing we need to address is the D-Line. It all starts there. Carter started to pick it up at the end of the season, but as a whole, the skins don't generate much of a pass rush. Having a consistent pass rush would help our secondary out tremendously.

Then we need to address getting dept at CB and definitely start Rocky Mcintosh next year and get ourselves a solid MLB.

I don't know if we can cut both Archuletta and Lloyd without it hurting us too much with the salary cap, their contracts are too huge. If we do, we'll be in salary cap hell in a couple years.

Posted by: ktron | January 4, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, "Red Zebra"? I could have sworn the dude was a "marketing genius"...

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

is on ND's defense more than Quinn.

yeah, cuz i saw the ND defense force balls into double coverages and throw off back foot the whole night. he should've been credited with 4 INT's not 2. i saw him throw one good fade and the announcers were licking his come-on!

ohh and this just in...there IS no racism in america anymore. no one profiles no one especially not the black athlete. and especially not the black QB's.

and yeah, it's a conspiracy that no GM has offered multiple picks #1's to get matt schaub all 4 years he's been with lanta. he must be really good.

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

What's even better than the article is the file photo of Mr. Snyder peering over the rims of his glasses.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 4, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Best strategy is to move down in the draft at least once for more picks. Then select the most disruptive defensive lineman you can find. There is a player from georgia? not sure that was supposed to be all that this year but slipped a little off his junior year numbers. Has explosive upfield burst (this cannot be coached, you have it or you don't) knock is he is not strong enough weighs like 250. Hey, they have a weight room in Ashburn don't they. My point is when look around the league at teams that get after it they have one or more of these "Body type" guys and and other teams find them all over the place. think strahan, rice, taylor, derek burgess, john abraham for crying outloud. Those guys look like pass rushers just standing there in thier uniforms. When you watch them play how many false starts, holding penalties, hurried throws, sacks, delivery sacks do these guys create.Our defense would be radically diferent if Carter contines and someone on the other side also brings the pain.

I would also love to get an inside backer thats why a trade down or 2 might help us get both or FA signing for a veteran at a reasonable price. under Gibbs I we did lots of situation subs especially at linebacker
first down 2nd down was olkewtcz 3rd down monte coleman. in 91 year it was matt millen (yeah that matt millen) then monte and Kurt Goveiau? Play to your strenghts if we have a smallish middle linebacker who doesn't get off blocks well but can blitz and cover you either replace him or or let him do what he does best and find someone who can stuff the run. Joe needs to close his eyes and think what was my defense like back in the day. Say it "Manley, Mann, Butz and Grant."

Posted by: Old School | January 4, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

sorry guys...for turning this into a racialist thing. just couldn't believe all the hype over Quinn. ummazing! and that dude from lsu beating him 3 to 1. not even close. and his throws. mygod! and the announcers just chalked it up to "1 game". btw, that's like 5 or 10 for quinn.

anyways...i hope we all still love eachother...

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Bruh, let it go man. This isn't racial for me. Were you denied a promotion or something? You seem to be taking this very personally. In the words of Whitley Gilbert: "Relax. Relate. Release."

Posted by: Learned Hand | January 4, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Quinn has not look good all year. Except against Air Force, Army, Navy, and Stanford. Look at the games he played against the big school. The Raiders would be crazy to pick him. Just like I said the G Men were crazy for taking LBM. You see how he is turning out.

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Wow, nearly 200 posts on a "guest blog".

I'm pretty sure, like the dudes in the seminal Pauly Shore flick, "Bio Dome", this blog can sustain itself through the summer.

( Insert requisite "_____ must go" statement here )

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Lenard - I def don't hate my fellow 'Skins brothern, but I am just saying that you are making excuses for someone who is supposedly #1 in this year's draft, but can never win the big games during the season, let alone a BCS Bowl Game on Primetime. I saw Russell a few times on CBS. He is legit. Why do you think his team went to a BCS Game. He dosen't have a Head Coach who won 4 SBs as an assistant. Dude is a gamer. Just like Young last year. Then Kipper and Mortenson were downing him like crazy uptp the draft. When Mortenson broke the news about his Itelligence test, he predicted he would drop to 11 - 15th pick. That was crazy. Did he watch last years Rose Bowl?

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 4, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I strongly feel that, as long as stupid stuff keeps happening in sports and the world at large and our digits can find home row on the keyboard, we can sustain this baby. Think of this time period as our OTAs.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 4, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Diddy- only other options right now are work or be home changing diapers. I'll take posting on a guest blog.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 4, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I forgot to mention alcohol.
So, to recap, it's:
1) Stupid stuff
2) Working digits
3) Alcohol
Yeah, that'll work.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 4, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

All those blathering Talking Heads on television pretty much blew it on Vince Young (despite his talent being obvious to anyone watching the Rose Bowl at home). That's why none of us should listen to anything they say.

I say we draft Quinn Pitcock, pair him with Silas Marner, and be done with it.

(For those who are products of the American school system, Silas Marner is the noted former defensive tackle from Auburn who set a single season sack record while simultaneously playing in the school marching band. A latter day Fred Stokes, if you will. Marner was known for his glib quotes and raspberry chocolate cheesecake)

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

JAson's Editor - What about the part from Les's story about GG and AP speaking to each other weekly? Is this true? Thanks!

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 4, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy, given the upcoming roster bloat, its too early to figure out the 'must go' list. The must keep list, however, is easier. My 'must keep' FAs for this year include: Dockery, Ethan Allbright, Todd Wade, Fox, Pucillo, and Yoder. Exclude from my 'must keep' list are: Jimoh, Holdman, and Wright. If they around and want to re-compete, fine ... but these guys should hit the FA market and be someone else's disappointment. Duckett and Kozlowski are the other UFAs, but they don't seem like must keepers to me (except that I remember reading about how Koz was like Cooley's older, sane brother).

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Liz Kelley's blog is on a roll, by the way, but she only gets 30-40 posts a day. You folks in DC need to work on your celebrity adulation a bit more.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

A comment about Vick into a running back... That would never work. His body isn't built to be a running back. He'd get killed. His big runs come from pass plays that break down, which leaves the defense out of position and then he relies on his speed and agility. He doesn't have the power your typical running back has.

He also isn't a coach killer like Jim Mora Sr. called him. He played well under Dan Reeves. The receivers he has don't do much to help him out (with the exception of Crumpler). If you've watched any of the falcons games this year, the receivers seem to almost drop as many balls as Carlos 'Was I supposed to hold onto that?' Rogers. The key is basically utilizing him properly, unlike Mora Jr. who tried to make him play under a variation of the west coast offense. Vick has a canon for an arm. Mora would've been better off if he had Brunnell throwing those dink and dunk passes.

Posted by: ktron | January 4, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

we should make that our party blog and go there only when drunk

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect to MV Dame, the problem with Quinn is that he plays for CBS' America's Team (or at least the one that we are forced to watch too much). Notre Dame is the most overrated school in the county. The thing is, they don't have to recruit b/c they are already and perenielly (sp?) rated so highly, plus the football alumni network is monstrous. Still, as a Michigan State alum, I can confidently say that Notre Dame sucks, Quinn is overexposed, and Charlie Weis has a butt in the front (just below what woudl be the belt-line of his sans-a-belt polyester slacks).

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

That's NBC.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 4, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

dcsween- I noticed that in the picture of Weiss. Didn't he have the gastric bypass surgery a few years ago, drop a ton of weight, and have some serious health complications? Very surprised to see him that big again.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 4, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

4th,

I meant 2nd round (Quinn) but that's just me. I just found out I was wrong - having read something else. I think he'll be the next Tim Couch. But I am not a scout. The last time I picked a college quarterback to be good was Big Ben. (Geez, after all this time I still don't know how to spell his last name.)

Posted by: charlie | January 4, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I am no Quinn apologist, but if he was playing against the Notre Dame defense, he would have also looked spectacular. The ND defense is pathetic. It was the reason they lost their three games. And while I've only seen Russell play one game now, a bunch of his throws were late/underthrown and would have been costly against a good defense. I'm not sure that either one of these guys are a top 10 pick. If Troy Smith was 3 inches taller he'd be #1 without a doubt.

Brian Brohm is probably the best "NFL" QB available if he comes out. Kevin Kolb is the best of the mid-round QBs.

Posted by: CMoney | January 4, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

You would think Charlie, wouldn't you. But, there is always some dummy Owner/GM out there willing to take a risk on him to save their butts.......

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 4, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Quinn will not be good. He'll go to a bad team and be David Carr-ed. We'll never know if he could have been good or not because he'll go to a stinky team and get killed every week.

I say hoooray for that. Let that dude get hyped up and let some idiots take him.

DcSween...I am liking the Landry bandwagon growing. The tightness could be ours.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 4, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

What really got me though, was a comment last night by the other game voice (not Bradshaw or Howie) comparing JaMarcus Russell to "a big Doug Williams", and then (I think) Collinsworth said more like Kordell Stewart. How about a comparison to a tall white QB? It's endemic.

I noticed the same thing. I was like, "um, is it possible to compare him to a white QB? Or are black QBs only like other black QBs?"

Posted by: Clinton Hill | January 4, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Same thing with Jason Campbell. Only comparison I heard, and heard over and over, was of him with Doug Williams.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 4, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Can Anyone Compare a Black QB to to a White QB??? I think I can.

Leftwich is like Marino. Slow and has a Rocket arm......

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 4, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see some of you talking about linebackers. I agree - Holdman is not adequate at his position. Most of the games he played he just became invisible when the play came to his side and he was getting handled by smaller players all the time. He had one good game all year.

Williams (and I'm pretty sure he won't be going anywhere) will need to adjust his schemes to his personnel (after saying that, I don't think he has enough talent to do much adjusting). Archuleta at outside linebacker is one possibility since there is no way they are going to be able to cut or trade him. They have some younger players who started to show some talent (Doughty among others). Vincent and Fox are good backups but Vincent is in the same class with Springs - he is nearing the end of his career and gets hurt easily.

The D line and linebackers need upgrading the most followed by the CB position.

The offense looks hopeful. I agree that the O line needs some younger backups. I love the way that James Thrash plays and really disagreed with their decision to let him go to the Eagles years ago. Now he is not a legitimate 3rd receiver except on the shorter possession routes but he needs to stay until he can't walk to the huddle. (Maybe I should re-examine that last statment- he did manage to catch a 300 lb. D lineman from behind in the last game.)

I don't think that Brunell is really a viable backup for the new offense. Even healthy he cannot use enough of the playbook to be more than a 3 or 4 play at a time replacement. I can't picture him leading the comeback we had in the second half last week throwing screens and three yard patterns.

I love reading the comments on this blog (well most of them anyway). Could some of you who still live in the DC area post some of what you hear on the radio or see on TV for those of us who reside elsewhere? I keep catching snippets that are never explained. Even the mighty Washington Post does not cover everything and down here in NC all we get to hear about are the Panthers.

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: oldskinsfan | January 4, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Vince Young is overrated, look at his passing #'s. Yes, the Titans won a bunch of games down the stretch, but most of that credit should have gone to special teams and defense. Matt Leinart is and will be better.

Posted by: Big Jay | January 4, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Oldskinsfan - You need to listen to www.tripleXradio.com and www.sportstalk980.com if you waqnt more insight.........

When we hear something major on the radio, we immediately post here. Check out This Tuesday around 4 - 5pm when Clinto Portis was on and telling it like it is in the Locker Room. That was some serious stuff. The radio stations also archive them, so you can go on and listen to them at your conveince, which I suggest you do with the CP interview. That was on SportsTalk 980 and is def on the website.......

Posted by: 4th | January 4, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The comparison of black to black or white to white is psychological. We all do it. It's a familiar, easy association. It's not offensive to compare Jason Campbell to Doug Williams unless you somehow feel Doug Williams is inferior to some other white QB to whom you would rather compare Soup. Isn't more offensive to be offended at being compared to another black person rather than to a white person?

Posted by: Learned Hand | January 4, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

No -- Marino had the quickest release ever.

Leftwhich is like Drew Bledsoe.

Vick is like Doug Flutie/Fran Tarkenton.

Vince is like John Elway.

JC is like Terry Bradshaw.

Posted by: CMoney | January 4, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

You got me there Cmoney. Great list!

Looking at your list, you are ONPOINT....

except for that VY to Elway comparison. I don't think you can compare them. VY is in his own class at the moment. I think he can be compared to Elway, if he only runs on neccessity. VY just runs when he has a feel for it, even if recievers are open.....

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 4, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Russell is what 6'6" and 260. I must admit the first thing that popped into my mind was wow, Culpepper only taller (and with two good knees and hopefully better behaved on boat rides).

But who would be closest to those numbers? Maybe Big Ben? I think black QBs get compared to black QBs because white QBs are not generally the most nimble fellows. That's right, I said it, white people are slow. And I can prove it.

Posted by: Brunello | January 4, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Whew! I am exhausted in catching up with this blog. I'm still trying to catch up with the blog (trying to do other things on the net at the same time.)

A few comments from the past few days.

Wasn't anyone else freaked that Patten was looking forward to next year? The only thing I can think of is that because JC will be the qb, he feels like he might have a chance to be productive.

Of course, Gibbs thinks that Big Three articles are wrong because none (very few) of the players are going to say that kind of stuff. Very quick way to get benched/booted/labeled a trouble-maker. From the coaches viewpoint, everyone gives 110 percent. But the article made perfect sense to us regulars. We knew it.


Cmoney, 2:20 pm: "Cerrato is basically the guy who goes to Kinko's to put together pretty looking dossiers on free agents and college players."

AWESOME, CMONEY!!!
I formally propose that Vinny be known as 'Kinkos' on this blog.

Posted by: makevil | January 2, 2007 03:35 PM


Uh, how about Copy Boy.


"Gibbs trades all 2007 draft picks away for Shutdown Corner"

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | January 2, 2007 06:32 PM


Hilarious! The problem is that that might happen. Then I'd be cryin'.

Here's a new direction for the defense. Only bring in second-tier players with talent (since we can't freakin' afford anything else anyway) who have a chip on their shoulder. Grrrrrriilllliiaaamms doesn't seem to work with high-priced coddled players unless they have something to prove.

Posted by: charlie | January 4, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, great guest blog. And don't worry about offending me with your ND talk. I'll never take it personally. But being Notre Dude for life, I will say this myself:

Brady Quinn is not the quarterback he once was or should be now. I truly think that that close USC loss in 2005 broke him. Obviously he's got natural talent and ability, but he also played with confidence, determination, and desire up and through that game. He has never been the same since and, frankly, I don't know that he ever will be.

He needs to find that lost swagger and maybe the move to the pros will help, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he never regains it. He will be given every opportunity in the NFL because of his height, his arm, his intelligence, his school, his head coach, and absolutely yes, because of his skin color.

But he will have to win multiple Super Bowls or post Marino-like numbers for a number of years to even come close to meeting the hype. It hurts to say this, but as much as I want him to succeed, I won't be so shocked if he ends up a being a phenomenal bust.

And don't even get me started on Weis...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 4, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm in the camp that says we're better positioned going into next year than most people might think. With a year of continuity under their belts, Jason Campbell as the starter and a few key pieces added, they could surprise. To me the biggest thing they have going for them will be considerably less pressure than what they had to contend with in 2006. They looked tight from the first preseason game, and when everyone realized that Saunders' offense was going to take some time to learn the team seemed to panic. They reminded me of myself when I'm trying to sink a 10-foot putt with $100 on the line. At least my friends get something out of watching me miss it. There's no payoff for watching your favorite team collectively get the yips.

But I have to take some of the responsibility for this season's nosedive. Hard as I tried, and despite past success, I just couldn't properly manage my superstitions and good luck charms. Started the season wearing the same jersey and threadbare Skins hat I wore during last year's five game winning streak and playoff victory, but probably ditched it too quickly when they lost two out of the gate. Went with a newer cap and 1988 Super Bowl Championship sweatshirt, which seemed to work for two games but I probably should have chucked them after the Giants debacle. Like the team, I tightened up, started trying everything and lost my confidence. Thought the hog nose was the ticket after the Saints game, but I burned it after Tiki's third touchdown run last Saturday. As with the Redskins, properly employing superstition is all about consistency, staying with what you know and having the confidence to keep continuity in your game plan. Come September, I'll be back in the jersey and faded cap. They've proven themselves to be effective before, and I'm convinced they're good luck charms that represent the core Redskin values Gibbs covets.

Posted by: billyrich | January 4, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Matt Leinart is and will be better. I disagree with you Big Jay. Just like when he was at USC Leinart has more talent around him than VY. And once again VY is showing he can do more with less.

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Brunello - Fran Tarkenton was pretty elusive back in the 60's and 70's (via NFL Films). R u saying he is not white? What about Souter from MD a couple of years back? D. Smith. Wes Walker.

It kinda stops there for me. I think the problem is us living with these stereo types are whole life and accepting them. As a Black/Indian guy. I am not the fast. But I sure love spicey food!!

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 4, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Leinart's numbers are better than Young's. Young's running, coupled with his team's success, is what brought him all of the accolades. Coaching and defense were the difference in their respective teams' success on the field. Plus, one is on a team with a culture of winning and the other plays for the cardinals.

Posted by: LH | January 4, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

W/R to the name: How 'bout Red Skin Potatoes? The mascot could be a Mr. Potato Head profile with feathers.

Posted by: Learned Hand | January 4, 2007 11:39 AM

Love it! But just change the name to simply Red Skins.

Posted by: charlie | January 4, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

CMoney, Vick plays taller than Flutie.

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah 4th, there are always exceptions. But when all the runningbacks in the NFL are black, all the top sprinters are black, 90% of wide receivers are black, you have to admit it's more than just coincidence.

I wouldn't go saying that white people punt better than black people because most punters are white. I just don't think a lot of black guys grow up dreaming about being punters. Okay, have at me.

Posted by: Brunello | January 4, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Somewbody compared Vince Young to Elway, uh, hmmmm,uh.....i can only conclude you have watched football before since you are on this blog, but that has to be the silliest thing i have ever heard. Did you ever see Elway play? Did you ever see the way he threw the ball?

Posted by: Anonymous | January 4, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Brunello, the black kid who wants to punt is turned into a WR or RB. Unless he's slow like Reggie Robey.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 4, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

CMoney, Vick plays taller in the pocket than Flutie.

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

BRich- I had the same problem man. Started the year out with my 2005 streak outfit: D Green t-shirt, burgundy socks with my Redskins warm-up top. Even had Mrs Hayes wearing her streak outfit. After two weeks, I totally sh*t the bed and started wearing my throwback Portis jersey and that worked until the Giants game, which got me so pissed I switched to my Monk jersey.

From there, it was a mess...Cooley shirt, redskins hoodie...didn't know if I was coming or going

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 4, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

LH Name one WR on the Titians that's in the same zip code as the AZ WR? Name one WR from Texas that was in the same zip code as USC? Give VY the same WR and I am sure his numbers would be the same if not better.

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

As to the people calling for the Skins (red potato images in my head from now on) to trade down their #6 pick.

Yeah, right. Sometime after Gibbs and Snyder are 6 feet under.

Posted by: charlie | January 4, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

CMoney, your qb comparisons were pretty good although I have to make some changes to your list. I really wouldn't group Flutie with Vick and Tarkenton and Vince Young doesn't really have the same style as Elway. Elway only ran when he really had to.

So here's my list of some QBs that resemble the playing styles of other QBs (not saying they're as good).

Leftwich - Bledsoe - Michelangelo's Statue of David

Vick - Young Randall Cunningham - Fran Tarkenton

Vince Young - Donovan Mcnabb - Steve Young

Jason Campbell - Ben Roethlisberger - Elway

Posted by: ktron | January 4, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Titans WR:
Drew Bennett

Posted by: Anonymous | January 4, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

our boy Jimmy Farris

Posted by: Anonymous | January 4, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Browsing stats and noticed:
Clark & Harris this year - 12 interceptions, 1 TD.

Aaarrgh!

Posted by: Redskinrex | January 4, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

jm220 name one decent offense USC's defense stopped in 2005. They damn near lost to Fresno State. The Cards o-line is awful. Edgerrin James didn't turn into a bum overnight. Do you dispute that Leinart's good? Can't they both be good football players?

Posted by: LH | January 4, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah 4th, there are always exceptions. But when all the runningbacks in the NFL are black, all the top sprinters are black, 90% of wide receivers are black, you have to admit it's more than just coincidence.

Posted by: Brunello | January 4, 2007 04:57 PM


The reason that blacks are more successful at sports and music is a sociological function of society. Over the past century, the dominant white society has allowed the Afro-American to be successful in these areas because it doesn't threaten their power structure. In turn, much of the A-A's energy has been devoted to be successful in these areas because it is by far the best opportunity for someone in the very low classes to move up. There is far less prejudice because it is hard to discriminate against someone who wins races/games.

(Btw, this is my idea. Not that someone somewhere else may have thought of it but I haven't heard it.)

In other areas, it's hard to prove that someone is not picked because one can always find another white who is more qualified such an upper management job.

Posted by: charlie | January 4, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

LH no question they are both are good. However, as I stated last year before the big game. VY to me is a better QB. And that is not to take anything away from Leinart

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

SallieMae for Redskin GM.

Welcome back

Posted by: X.Hog | January 4, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

(Btw, this is my idea. Not that someone somewhere else may have thought of it but I haven't heard it.)

LOL. Now that's funny.

"In other areas, it's hard to prove that someone is not picked because one can always find another white who is more qualified such an upper management job."

But that's racist. This implies that there is ALWAYS at least one white more qualified than the most qualified black person.

Posted by: LH | January 4, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Good points charlie, but I don't think music really belongs in this discussion. It would be tough to argue that blacks, or Afro-Americans if that is the preferred term, are physiologically or genetically superior at music. That Beethoven dude was no fluke.

Posted by: Brunello | January 4, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

LH, jm220...I'd take either VY or Leinart over Brady Quinn in a heartbeat, and that clown is gonna be the 1st pick in the draft!

Posted by: 4-12 | January 4, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Something is wrong with the server or my CPU. This is what I thaught I posted.

4th Floor's Theory:

I believe that (generally) White parents are steering their kids away from certain football positions/Basketball because the parents do not believe thier child will succeded because of the trends. So they steer them in certain positions/Sports that they think they will be successful at. Soccer participation in the Suburbs is up.

I also think that Black parents are not getting their kids involved in Baseball enough. That's why we are forever shrinknig in the Baseball world.

Thoughts?

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 4, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Back on the topic of the Redskins, anyone who what happened on Riggins show yesterday relating to a heated discussion btwn Gibbs and Snyder?

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

dcsween coming strong to the blog. hadn't heard a thing about it. got any more info?

Posted by: 4-12 | January 4, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

4-12, it came up earlier in the thread (from something "Steve B." posted last night). 237 posts. Looks like just another Thursday at "work" (brought to you by Redskins Insider).

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Brady Quinn = Rick Mirer. Remember that shmuck? Has ND produced a good QB since Joe Montana?

Posted by: Brunello | January 4, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

....are physiologically or genetically superior at music. That Beethoven dude was no fluke.

Posted by: Brunello | January 4, 2007 05:22 PM

I never said anything about ANY race being superior or inferior. There's massive talent in any race. It has NOTHING to do with genetics.

Posted by: charlie | January 4, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

LH,

It's really hard to have this discussion in paragraphs. There are 10 times (or how many) the number of whites over blacks. They have more opportunities/connections in business and schools, etc. Things are generally unfair for minorities, that's the way it is, unfortunately.

Complex subject - too much to talk about here.

Posted by: charlie | January 4, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"the dominant white society has allowed the Afro-American to be successful in these areas because it doesn't threaten their power structure"

Yeah, we hold meetings every Wednesday night to discuss how best to handle this. But we won't tell you where the meetings are at.

Posted by: spunky | January 4, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I think white people hold their meetings at Cracker Barrel. (a SMACK for old times' sake.)

Posted by: Brunello | January 4, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Denny's are good too

Posted by: Anonymous | January 4, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Brady Quinn = Rick Mirer. Remember that shmuck? Has ND produced a good QB since Joe Montana?

Posted by: Brunello | January 4, 2007 05:55 PM

Joe Theisman. . .

Oh wait, he came before Joe M . . .

oh, well. good memories though . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | January 4, 2007 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Back on the skins for a moment. Will Art Monk finally get in the HOF this year?? Any rumblings either way? I live in Bronco-land and even the folks out here on talk radio (current and former players, talking heads, you name it) don't know why he's not in yet. How can you break the all time catches record and not be in? If the regular HOF voters deny him I hope the Veterans Committee votes him in first time he's eligible as a way to stick it to these grudge holding sportswriters (PKing, etc).

Posted by: skinswest | January 4, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

skinswest, earlier in the season, Peter King all but conceded he would vote for Monk this year. The one who hasn't committed is Dr. Z. Wilbon has been the voice for Art Monk since forever. I bet there might be some vote trading to get the job done and get him in the Hall.

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

The race issue is an extraordinarily complex topic and subjective interpretations are counterproductive. I'm positive there is some Sociology PhD candidate who has or is examining this with more than anecdotal evidence.

Race and class strata in this country are closely intertwined. Opportunities are plentiful for upper class individuals, less so for those below the poverty level. Likewise, the barriers people face to their own definition of success are likely correlated with their socioeconomic class. I suspect those same opportunities and barriers have an impact on what parents and children choose to emphasize in their education and extracurricular activities.

Bottom line If you do a dispassionate analysis of the actual data, you might be able to discern some sort of trend. You also have to beware in such an analysis of the tendency for people to point to the exception in order to refute the rule or trend.

Unless someone wants to bring an educated perspective to the argument, I suggest people agree that they don't know what they're talking about.

As for black professional athletes, I think the comparisons are natural and, in Jason Campbell's case for sure, sometimes invited by the athletes themselves.

I do think it is disturbing that retread white coaches and quarterbacks are continually given second and third chances, while their black counterparts are often not. That said, any person of color or poor person in this country knows that the odds are stacked against them and that success means working harder than your white, privileged counterparts. If you can't accept that, you will not achieve success. It doesn't mean it's right, or that you shouldn't strive to change it, but in order to be an agent of change, you need to be an agent of power. In order to be an agent of power, you need to persevere and get into that position first.

Those are my two cents.

I'd love to discuss this with real data. Absent that, I'm going back to ogling Brooklyn Decker, who is not only hot, but whose name is a combination of both my favorite bridge and favorite kind of bus.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I think where Monk comes up short is in memorable plays in big games. I haven't crunched the numbers, but I don't recall many playoff or Super Bowl highlights. He's not a staple of NFL Films folklore. He just needs an immaculate reception or a "The Catch" (damn that play) to his credit to push him over the top. I hope he gets in though.

Posted by: Brunello | January 4, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

BTW, while on the subject of retread coaches: I am very heartened by the fact that we have made significant progress in the last two decades. Why, in the past few years, we've seen several black coaches who have been failures or underachievers get second chances: Dungy, Green, Shell, and (my favorite for defiant ineptitude) Edwards.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Any word yet from the esteemed Talking Head crowd on Monk's chances this year? If Monk makes it in, I suggest a blog peeps gathering in Canton, led by AMTTS.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I think Wilbon said earlier this season that he won't be at the roundtable with the other HOF voters this year. That's a shame, because he's one of the most vocal supporters of #81.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 4, 2007 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon is no longer on the HOF committee, so Monk lost one of the most strident voices in his favor. There's a dude I've never heard of from WashTimes who is DC's local media rep on the HOF selection committee now. I don't know how if at all this will affect Monk's chances. But of course I hope this is the damn year he gets in.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Brunello, you can do a lot with doctoring film etc. We could create some magical Monk memories and start floating them on YouTube, then have Jaws smuggle some in to NFL Films. "Hey, Sabol, look what I found back here in the vault!"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 6:47 PM | Report abuse

The Ayatollah LaDainian voted league MVP. Now, there's a vote we can all get behind. Thank goodness it didn't go to Brees (Peter King's pick). LDT is a stone cold BEAST, and he had a season for the ages. At least until he or someone else beats all his records in a season or two.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, Shawn Springs was a guest on 980 this afternoon. I did not hear everything (had to make my long walk home) but some things that were discussed:

Shawn (as well as John Thompson) pointed out that yes, the Skins are dysfunctional at the moment and have had their dirty laundry aired but lots of other teams are dysfunctional as well but no one hears about it because those teams are winning. When you win, no one talks about the stuff going on behind closed doors - when you lose, different story.

It was evident that Shawn likes and respects Williams. He said that Williams is tough but that he is the most passionate person in the place and wants to win more than anyone. He said there was a lot of truth to the Friend article and that some of the weird things that do(such as the corners and safeties not meeting together) need to be changed. Springs said that Williams was taken aback by the Friend article and that "Deep Throat" was obviously someone with an "agenda."

Springs was asked about several players - his response:

Carlos Rogers: Very talented and physical. Carlos needs to realize that being a young CB he is going to be tested. It would be great for him to study each opponent indepth before the games

Sean Taylor: Great player who received a lot of heat this year but Shawn said he actually thought the Reaper had his best season yet

Vernon Fox: Very good special teams player

Rocky McIntosh: Springs said Rocky has the potential to be great but that he still has a lot to learn. So to those of you who thought Williams was not playing him because of arrogance were off base (I never understand that rationale to be honest) - it was because he simply was not ready.

Posted by: Lisa | January 4, 2007 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Well, it looks like Cowher is going to announce his retirement on Monday.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/01/04/cowher.leaving/index.html

Posted by: charlie | January 4, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I think what we Rocky-backers were mad about was that if the season were so lost that Gibbs decided to start the kid QB -- the most important position on the field -- why not give Rocky the same exact kind of experience on the field? How ready do you have to be to jump into the middle of a shttty defense in a lost season? And how better to get ready than by getting live game action?

Again, if Gibbs and Saunders were raising the white flag of surrender by playing Soupy, it seems obvious that Grilliams could have done the same with Rocky.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

06 Problems

1) Brunell at QB
2) gave up to many deep balls
3) didn't stop the run
4) didn't run enough

We need pressure on the ball, on the the line and in the secondary. Get rid of Archuleta and Lloyd.

The Jet's need a running back will it be Duckett, Portis in a trade for picks?

Posted by: Bobmilldevils | January 4, 2007 7:04 PM | Report abuse

charlie, you gotta wonder if the Panthers' owners are going to keep a close eye on Cowher with his (apparent) plan to relocate to NC. Everybody loves John Fox, but another failure next year and he could be out the door.

If Cowher is really retiring, let the Russ Grimm watch begin. And as I've said before, those of us who fantastize about Grimm as Skins HC better hope he doesn't get it, because the Steelers like to give their coaches looooooong tenures, and The Flea is already in his late forties.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Brunello:

#81 had a huge catch in SB17 when we drubbed the donkeys in the second quarter.

we were down by and backed up in our end (inside our 15) facing a 3 and 20(?).

Monk runs an out to the sticks on theleft sideline and reaches over his head with two hands to pull and drags both feet for a catch and a first down. If I remember correctly we go on to score on that drive and the rest is history.

What was impressive was not only the degree of difficulty of the catch, but how it changed momentum in that game.

If he does not make that catch we have to punt the ball back to the donkeys, who would likely get it in good field position already up by 10 w/ a young John Elway at qb. Outcome could have been vey different if not for #81 making a clutch play when it counted. It probably gets lost in the shuffle because of the 35 point explosion in the 2nd qtr, but to me that was one of the key plays of that game. . .

If you don't believe me, go back and watch the 1st qtr of that game. . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | January 4, 2007 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, did Springs really say only that about Fox ("very good special teams player")? That's called damning with faint praise, esp. if he didn't say anything about his play in the secondary.

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Cowher is going to be out 1-2 years at least. If he comes back, he won't wait much longer probably because of the wait-too-long-and-be-like-Gibbs factor.

I'm outta here.

Posted by: charlie | January 4, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Even though Campbell was inserted as starting QB, Gibbs had not conceded our season to be lost..he actually was trying to see if it would create a winning spark..which it did...on OFFENSE.

Bobmilldevils,

Enough of the trading Portis talk...it ain't happening! Gibbs has stated this ad nauseum. As for Duckett, he can go to any team that wants him - he is an unrestricted free agent.

Posted by: Lisa | January 4, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Riggo was floating a few trade rumors tonight. My reception was a little sketchy, but the jist of it was Skins switch #1's with the Lions and the Skins get Dre' Bly, and maybe Portis goes to the Lions. Was anyone listening to this and can clear it up? Shawn Rogers' name was floating around also.

Posted by: Brunello | January 4, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

First of all, I am going to say this. I am a huge Joe Gibbs fan. He has done some amazing stuff for this franchise and city, and had they done well this season, we would be crowning him as the best thing for Washington since, well since the 2006 MidTerm election. But recently, his tired rhetoric has him sounding more and more like a politician and less like an honest NFL football coach. Personally, I think he needs to call some people out, talk a little trash about the Cowboy fans, and give his honest opinions and assessments on players who have not played well this season. We have established that Archibungus and Bratty B-LLoyd need to go. They are a fungus to this team. Whether that fungus has been cultivated by the coaches or not is up for debate, but we need to pick up mid-range but talented free agents for our defense. I would actually be very happy with a Moss and Randle El starting line-up at reciever, with a low round rookie or Mike Espy or someone in the slot; someone who can catch and hold onto the ball. I am rambling now, but I think Grilliams should stay and try to rebuild like he did the first year here. Offense is good, they just need to run early and often next year, and i beg NO MORE TRICK PLAYS. Except that ARE touchdown to Moss was good, but reverses should be taken out of the playbook. 40 gut all day. We can be ok next year. Grilliams turned around a defense quick before, maybe, just maybe, he can do it again.

Posted by: Macaca Johnson | January 4, 2007 7:40 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,

When asked about Fox, Springs said something like "he's a good player....and made some really good plays on special teams." He did not elaborate because they asked him about another player right after that.

One thing Shawn said that depresses me: He thinks Dallas will win. With both of Seattle's starting corners out, TO and Glenn will have banner days. I understand Seattle's back up corners were not even playing football...one of them was a personal trainer and the other in banking...or was it real estate?

Posted by: Lisa | January 4, 2007 7:47 PM | Report abuse

If the corners were unemployed and living in the Seattle area, they were most likely baristas. We have more baristas here than you can imagine. If you spit in any direction, chances are you're going to hit a barista.

We also have more coffee shops than McDonald's, and more suicide attempts than the rest of the country combined.

This is the sort of trivia for which you guys pay me the big bucks.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, let's not dwell too much on the possibility of Dallas winning this weekend, okay? If I banish the thought from my mind, it can't happen, right?

Okay, in the event the Unthinkable occurs and they emerge victorious on the sodden turf up I-5, I will be the first to congratulate them... with the news that certain defeat awaits when they visit NO or CHI the following weekend.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Nate or P Did, this is important b/c its my money, so I really need to know (1) is the roar on Seattle's home field as deafening as reported and (2) is the mood of Seattle fans this year fervent enough to make it loud enough to make a difference?

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I'll be at the W Seattle almost all day tomorrow in the hopes of a Carrie Underwood sighting. Either that or Hotel 1000, which is our other fancy pants, coolio hotel. Now, Carrie is great and all, but she's no Brooklyn Decker, who shares names with both my fourth-favorite Seattle bar and my favorite brand of power tool.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I have not attended a game at Seahawks Stadium. Will have to defer to Diddy or anybody else on that one. But I think the passive-aggressiveness endemic to the region -- which Diddy cited a few days back -- could lead one to reasonably assume the Seafans do not provide a terrific home field advantage.

On the other hand, it's the playoffs. Seemed pretty loud when I watched the Skins game last year. They even borrowed the "Twelfth Man" thing from, oh, everyone else.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Carrie Underwood??? Stay focused here, P Diddy. This is my gambling money. Does the crowd noise really disrupt a game in Seattle??

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

More suicide attempts than the rest of the country combined? Come on, tell me another one. No city can be that friggin' depressed. Or maybe there was a dentist convention in town.

There are 87 Starbucks in the district alone. (channelling loco mullin)

Posted by: Brunello | January 4, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Hold on, sween, are you insinuating that you might be placing a wager on this athletic contest? Horrors! I am scandalized.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Brunello, PLEASE - enough about trading Portis!!! Gibbs was interviewed on Comcast last night and was asked (for like the 100th) time about the possibility of trading Portis and he answered (for like the 100th time) "ABSOLUTELY NOT! Clinton is not going anywhere. We LOVE Clinton." He also said he loves the idea of two quality backs.

Diddy, isn't Brooklyn Decker (whoever she may be) all of 18???? Jail bait....

Posted by: Lisa | January 4, 2007 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Nate, no other way to justify the hours on-line ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I'll give you my honest opinion on the Seattle crowd noise. First, they do not use artificial crowd noise. I have many friends in the Seattle FO, and I have this on good, trustworthy authority.

Second, the fans are loud. Now the Seattle I live in is the pansy, tree-hugging, odd facial hair, poor fashion choice, hipster, barista Seattle. The downtown, Capital Hill, Fremont, Queen Anne area. These people rarely go to games and probably protest the sport on behalf of the numerous pigs used to make the game balls.

The vast majority of fans are from the outlying suburbs to the east (the Microsoft ghettos, full of east coasters and mostly transplants who, when not pushing strollers and going to Costco, might actually know a thing or two about the sport) and north/south (mostly blue-collar, lunchpail type who actually understand what a pulling guard and fullback are supposed to do). These north/south fans are loud, obnoxious, and drunk, while their eastern suburb brethren are in the Club Section swilling cheap wine and eating really bad fried chicken platters. So, yes, the 67,000 or so fans are pretty loud, aided by a well-designed half-dome over top of the stadium itself. Last year's 'Skins/Seahawks playoff game was amazing...I'd never seen Seattle get off their butts and support a team like that, whether they knew anything about the sport or not (thus, the incessant whining after the Super Bowl). Incidentally, for three quarters, that was some of the best defensive football (both teams) I'd ever seen.

This year? Who knows? The 10% of tickets that were available sold out in 10 minutes. I don't see nearly the same number of Hasslebeck and Alexander jerseys that I saw milling about last year, but the 12th Man flag is unfurled atop the Space Needle and the die-hards I know are going to start tailgating at 7am on Saturday.

All in all, Seattle is not a sports town. Fans here are all "Johnny Come Latte's", and will not necessarily turn on the team like we 'Skins fans will, but will instead just go back to being apathetic about the whole affair.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 8:09 PM | Report abuse

By the way, you might think (to whatever extent you might care) that most folks in Portland would support the Shehawks, since they are based only a few hours away, are by far the nearest NFL team, and are the only team in the whole Northwest region. Oh, no, 'tis not the case.

I encounter virtually NO Shehawks merchandise being worn by citizens of Portland -- I'm talking about tee shirts, hats, etc. -- and nobody talks about them around the water cooler.

This probably falls under the heading of Portland's general sensitivity about being perceived as a lesser city than Seattle and wanting to take any opportunity to turn up their noses at them.

There were probably lots of Baltimorons who felt the same way about the Skins, between the Colts' departure and the Ravens' arrival (two wrongs making a right).

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 8:11 PM | Report abuse

>>> "Diddy, isn't Brooklyn Decker (whoever she may be) all of 18???? "

Why yes, yes she is. I believe she is an "old soul", though.

:-)

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

>>> "Portland's general sensitivity about being perceived as a lesser city than Seattle"

I find this to be the funniest thing about Portland (apart from their general passive-aggressiveness about everything).

Hey, but you guys have no sales tax and a great little downtown Mario's. A-OK in my book.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Who the hell is Brooklyn Decker?
Guess it would be worthwhile to goole this gal, eh?

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 4, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Brooklyn Decker is the "she" in "Z Says/She Says", the weekly pick 'em contest between the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit model and Dr. Z.

She also has a beautiful combination of names consisting of my favorite borough and my favorite word that rhymes with "Pecker".

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I just noticed that I've wasted pretty much my entire day here :-)

"Shareholder Value" should be my middle name.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Whether many still want to admit it...race still matters.

Blacks must work harder to prove themselves, and are not given as much as the benefit of the doubt as their white counterparts. Brett Favre is a great quarterback but if a Black quarterback threw as many interceptions, he'd be benched.

Farve is a gunslinger
Vick is "coach killer"

Posted by: sicwidit | January 4, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Bruh, let it go man. This isn't racial for me. Were you denied a promotion or something? You seem to be taking this very personally. In the words of Whitley Gilbert: "Relax. Relate. Release."

The comparison of black to black or white to white is psychological. We all It's a familiar, easy association.

learned hand, i rest my case.

it's okay man. we all have a long ways to go in this country regarding race relations. the fact that you called me "bruh" and think that i was passed over for a promotion and your second quote says it all.

FYI just cuz it's "psychological" doesn't mean it's right. it just means that it comes natural to you because that's what you/i were taught.

i was apologizing for using graphic language in my last post...i hid it well but not that well. got carried away a bit there.

but 'tis cool.

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Jason, I was listening to riggo on my way to pick up my daughter from my maama's and they said you were going to be on so i waited and waited and waited outside her house. cuz i didn't want to go in to get her before i heard what you had to say.

But you never came. :( More importantly i hope the "emergency" wasn't that bad. this is the first assignment i've "seen" you miss on the radio.

Actually i kinda got excited when they said you were running late cuz i thought "woo hooo something big happened at the park" but then whatever his name is came on and said you had "some sort of emergency".

My immediate thought was Chloe woke up too soon from her nap or you slipped and fell on her toy again and might need to call Biff again. you gonna make him a very rich man! But i sincerely hope it was as simple as the first one and nothing really that big.

Editor, if you read this please do let us know that he's okay. cuz even though he shunns us cuz we're too small for him now we still care cuz after all he did start this stupid thing.

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

>>> "Diddy, isn't Brooklyn Decker (whoever she may be) all of 18???? "

Why yes, yes she is. I believe she is an "old soul", though.

:-)

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 08:12 PM

OK P that is just sick.

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

lisa, how can she be jail bait if she's 18?

i can NOT believe jason didn't know who brooklyn decker was! that skins press bunker is really really that detached from the rest of the world huh?

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Guys, in a recent online CNN poll 90% of native americans deemed the team name "redskins" not offensive. If they don't find it offensive, why do you?

If I was them I would be more offended by such a crap team representing my culture.

Posted by: Shizzle | January 4, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

good one sic!

but i would disagree about the benching part...ummmm no. more like CFL/WFL or "slash".

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Um shizzle the CNN online poll is about as scientifically accurate as the people who say there is no such thing as global warming.

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

hi sfskin.

diddy, did you comment on that painting post at liz kelly's?

it's funny. hey! i didn't get it until after i read the art critic's review. i guess i'm not cultured enough...ohh well...

i usually comment on lost but never again...such a crappy show.

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

OMG I just wrote this very extemely long post and it isn't up! I think that is a sign I should stop being long winded.

If it pops up I apologize for the following repeat.
How come we aren't having a discussion about our new DE acquisition from the BC Lions Chris Wilson?
Stats:
6'4"
220lbs
From that hotbed of football Northwood University
Part of BC Lions D when they won the Grey Cup
Link to not very interesting information:
http://www.cfl.ca/index.php?module=roster&func=display&ros_id=467

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Diddy - Does that "old soul" line work with all the 18 year olds? ; )

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

You're right sfskin.

Posted by: Shizzle | January 4, 2007 9:14 PM | Report abuse

That couldn't have been Jason about Brooklyn Decker. I'm thinking imposter.

Back to the Skins, when I did the list at the beginning of the thread, those were supposed to be topics that everybody ELSE wrote a blog starter about ... not every topic in this thread. Didn't exactly work out like that.

Anyway, the topic we didn't discuss was where would be good for Duckett. Because I like him, I don't think he should go to Detroit ... even though he is from (Kalamazoo) Michigan. Detroit has the worst rushing game in the NFL, with no real hope of improvement as a team in any respect ... ever. Next in the bad rushing category is the Browns. My home town. Their line will improve this year when the Pro Bowl center LeCharles Bentley returns to the lineup, but its still too tough. No, my "best fit" for Duckett is the Cardinals (3rd worst rushing game). With #1 Edge James and #2 Duckett and Leinart at QB, I'm seeing the Cards finally putting the effort into getting an offensive line. There was a time (last year?) when Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald were the shti as 1-2 WRs. My kingdom for a line. I wish Duckett only the best, so I think he should go where he can add value ... and that's #2 behind the Edge. The trade would improve them both and the Cards might be able to afford Duckett (who will not fetch top dollar or a 3rd round pick in the FA season coming up).

OK. I'm probably done. Must See TV Thursday (excellent new My Name is Earl and the Office). Good stuff today.

Tag, you're it for tomorrow. [Recent quality posts by Ocho Ocho and 4-12 makes me think one or both of you have a good starter idea to help out Jason.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2007 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about you guys, but do any of you have a problem with all of the "fingerpointing" at Redskins park by the players? We were 5-11...the coaches and THE PLAYERS. If I'm a player and I gave up 237 yards rushing to an NFC east opponent, I'd spend the off-season taking notes from Olkelwitz, Coleman, Green, and Manley...How can these talk radio idiots feed instigate all this crap. Who didn;t already know that Gibbs and Saunders are not on the same page. (look at the play calling inside the 20) All I know is I hope all of the these anonymous "sauces" put their money (7 to 10 million) where their mouth is.

Posted by: sicwidit | January 4, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Let me assure you that not even someone as obviously charming, sophisticated, intelligent, witty, and humble as myself can possibly hide the bags under my eyes, or the one developing above my belt, from any of the 18 year olds.

I actually do love the fact that I'm not anywhere near the complete idiot I was in my teens and twenties, but make no mistake, if I knew then what I know now, I'd be unstoppable.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 9:17 PM | Report abuse

The CFL has teams named Eskimos and Alouettes . . .awesome.

dcsween - forgot to say good guest blog and I agree on Duckett - I think ARZ is a good fit.

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Duckett should go to the Jets and be with a winner. After this year, I can't see any 'Skins fan not pulling for that dude to get a shot at a ring before our sorry franchise does.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Dealing with teens everyday all I can say is thank god I'm not one anymore. Although talk about high entertainment value.

By the way in case you think I was kidding we really did seem to sign the CFL kid. Or was that already discussed?

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

diddy, WTF are you talking about?

last i checked 18 was legal. now if it was my daughter i'd have saddamed "dr. z"'s @ss and yours for that matter or anyone else who looks at her with those eyes....grrrrrrrrr

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I need to go eat some dinner but like a rat on crack I'll be back.

I know we try to stay away from politics but I really have to say this was a GREAT day in our history. You may not like her, think she's a lousy politician, think she's too liberal etc. but I have to say it brought tears to me eyes seeing Nancy Pelosi sworn in as Speaker.
We've come a long way baby! Yeah for my sistahs moving up in the ranks!

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, old news we discussed it, shredded it. you missed it. we had a blast.

i'm sooooooooooooooooo f-ing boooooooooooored!!!

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Agree on Speaker Pelosi. Not to be sexist or anything, but you have to believe that the more moms there are in high office, the fewer dumb wars we may end up in. Maybe, maybe not...but one can hope.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

OK then how about this:
1)Put some big Snyder $$ into native american causes to help them out
2)Get them more involved in team affairs a la Florida State (hell let them pick the players too they'd do better then Vinny)
3)Give them free commercial air time to promote native american affairs during games

I happen to much admire native american culture and am quite proud that my favourite team uses them as their symbol. To be honest I think as a kid I grew up thinking positively toward native americans due to my love for the Skins.

Posted by: Shizzle | January 4, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

actually i like pelosi better than that that idiot hillary clinton.

i have no idea why dems would want hillary over pelosi.

i say the ticket should be obama for prez and pelosi for VP.

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

i'm sooooooooooooooooo f-ing boooooooooooored!!!

Dealer I jumping back and forth from watching Conan and this blog. That should tell you how bored I am. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

shizzle, i got an idea. a casino! a slot machine in every seat at fedex field!

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 9:33 PM | Report abuse

jm, the barbarian?

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 9:34 PM | Report abuse

jm - Ahnuld Conan? God what a great movie.

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

jm, the barbarian?

Yes sir. Since this is my off week from the gym. I need some type of aggression in my life.

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

jm, what channel?

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I love JEJ as bad snake dude. I mean JEJ is about as evil as Santa Claus. Excellent casting!

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey there. I still do not know Brooklyn - plan to google here shortly.
The Riggo thing fell apart because I had to run to Sears when the dishwasher started doing crazy things, and I was watching here and Chloe was going absolutely crazy in the car, screaming at the top of her lungs for god knows what reason, when they finally called me (they pushed back the interview like two times, which turned out to be to its demise. timing is everything, I suppose, and I was definitely on chloe time today.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 4, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

off WEEK from the GYM??????? wha??????? u okay brother?

sfskin, you feel like telling us what you wrote in that long post that got ate by the blogger?

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Remember I am in the dirty jerz. But it is on AMC. Not sure what channel that would be back at home.

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Yeah dealer off week from the gym. As I told Lisa my work out is 13 weeks on and 1 week off. Start out in week 1 lifting light weight and by week 13 goign heavy and hard.

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

jason, dude! i'm really sorry you couldn't come on cuz i haven't seen or heard you anywhere after the articles. i considered myself lucky when riggo mentioned it. it would've been awesome to hear you talk with riggo.

brooklyn decker:
just go to http://www.cnnsi.com and look for dr. z's "she says z says".

in the "video" section...

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

dealer - you are bored! :)

Basically in addition to our Canadian signing I pulled out the old soapbox on the religion and race thing.

Recap:
Religion - This is USA freedom of religion. If faith pushes you to do good in the world then god be with you and I would fight and die to protect your rights. If you use your religion to persecute and discriminate well go ahead and try just be assured I'll be fighting to stop you. The most war/disease/famine ravaged places in this world consistently have one group of people on those front lines helping people of faith. They are doing what I don't have the courage to do so god be with them as well.

Race - there is no biological or anthropological basis for race except skin pigmentation. It's a social construct used by virtually every human civilization to justify war, oppression, slavery and persecution. We've come a long way in the US but we've a long way to go. We need to be a whole lot more honest and open about race issues if we hope to make further progress. Diddy said it best - if you are not white in this country you have a much higher mountain to climb and couple that with class issues and it's harder still. That's a fact and if we acknowledge it then it is far more likely to change.

Okay that's it.

Wow I haven't seen Conan in a long time. This cave scene is like Munchkin land in Wizard of Oz on heroin.

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

i also like krull.

jej was awesome. but better in field of dreams. :)

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Thank god they put on the face paint so no one would see them in that brightly lit cave.

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

dealer the stadium is in MD so you know no slot machines are going in there. I'm just trying to sound understanding, bc in the end if the change the team name I'm going Ravens (I live in the B-more anyway). Changing it would be the last straw.

Posted by: Shizzle | January 4, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey whose the chick in this movie? She obviously went on to have a brilliant career.

Oh no not the pea soup!

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

jm- I think you need to get that gian hammer thing for your head smacks. You my friend have got the guns to wield it!

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

i used to be that big.

about T3. that dude who plays the son. is a really really good actor. i don't know why he doesn't get much play in movies...he was awesome in carnivale.

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 9:55 PM | Report abuse

lol@sfskin...yep, jm needs that hammer.

and really WHO IS that chick?

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

dealer, I actually liked T3. Lots of "blow stuff up" action, good testosterone flick. The scene with Ahnuld and the fire truck rumbling through LA was awesome. I thought the ending was pretty good as well.

Not sure if they're doing a T4 or not...there was some rumblings about it, but don't know if it ever got greenlit or not.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 4, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I realize we have strayed from the Skins but it's late in the day so on with Conan.

There was a lot of discussion in CA when Ahnuld was running if they should't play his movies on TV as it violated equal time law. It was a fairly ridiculous discussion except I know (just gut feeling)that any number of people voted because they they thought "Dude the Terminator is going to be governor. heh heh heh"

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

"Watch out for bridges and hop-ons. You're gonna get some hop-ons."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'm in the minority but it baffles me that anyone over 22 would be interested in an 18 year old - no matter how hot she/he is. Personally, I don't find this Brooklyn Decker chick that hot.....there are many women out there far more beautiful. But then, I'm a woman and I understand that women may see things differently than men.

Back to Duckett, I hope he goes to a winning team where he will get a lot of carries and will be happy. He has been a classy guy all season and deserves the best.

On a RB note, it would be nice to see Cartwright get some carries next season (yeah, I realize we already have TWO quality backs). Watching the elusiveness of "shorties" Maurice Drew Jones and Leon Washington made me think about Rock.

Posted by: Lisa | January 4, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Man I love everything about this movie. All the way down to the music. I have no idea what the hell up with the soap. Snake heads, fingers, and human heads.

gian hammer thing for your head smacks.

sfskin the hammer only comes out for Boofer. Everyone else gets the hand.

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

i'm so cold.

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

You know they just don't make dialogue like this anymore. What a cryin shame.

Hold me.
Kiss me.
Let me breath my lips breath into your mouth.

Diddy I think you should try these if you ever start drinking again. : )

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

lisa, shut up and turn your tv to AMC

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Valeria is played by Sandrah Bergman.

Here is IMDB mini bio
Stunning & statuesque blonde dancer and actress who first set male hearts racing as the key dancer in the sexually charged "Airotica" dance sequence in All That Jazz (1979).

Bergman appeared then in Xanadu (1980), before landing the role for which she is best remembered, as the never say die female warrior/thief "Valeria" in the Hyborean Age action of Conan the Barbarian (1982). The nimble Bergman was a superb Valeria and her athletic figure and dancer's grace made her a lethal force against the multitude of sword wielding villains trying to stop her and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Her two other most notable performances were firstly as the evil Queen Gedren in another adaption of a Robert E. Howard mythological story, Red Sonja (1985), with Bergman battling another tall blonde, Brigitte Nielsen! And secondly, buddying up with ex-wrestler Roddy Piper in the weird sci-fi satire Hell Comes to Frogtown (1987), in which once again Bergman puts her fighting skills to good use and she clobbers a lot of frog creatures!

Bergman has appeared in about thirty films; however she's definitely at her best when demonstrating her athletic prowess!

By the way totally forgot JEJ's name is Thulsa Doom! Best bad guy name!

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

i wonder how athletic she is now....

wow...alysa milano!!!!!!!!! mygod! we're old.

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Sandahl Bergman starred as Conan's lady friend, I believe. She was something of a B-movie queen in the 80s. Definitely hot in the loincloths and swords genre.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Okay does everyone else LMAO with Valtrex commercials. I mean how do you do that with a straight face.
Here's my version:
guy - "I have genital herpes."
girl - "Yeah and that's why I'm dumping your a$$."
or
"Yeah well me too BFD."

Also SNL did hilarious take off with Alec Baldwin it's on the NBC.com site.

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

i didn't know bamboo grew in desert...cuz that was bamboo he was carrying...

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Why you cry? He is Conan. He won't cry so I cry for him. Classic!

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Why you cry? He is Conan. He won't cry so I cry for him. Classic!

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Why you cry? He is Conan. He won't cry so I cry for him. Classic!

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Sorry right Sandahl. Named after the shoe?

Also according to IMDB her nickname is Sandy.

Listen anyone who was in Xanadu has my vote for great movie actor.

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

grant me reVENGEH

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Here is the tagline for the movie according to IMDB:
"He conquered an empire with his sword. She conquered HIM with her bare hands."

I mean seriously does it get any better than this? Maybe Beast Master.

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Really sorry I'm not watching it "with" you guys, but Conan has one of the greatest lines in movie history, responding to the question of what is best in life: "To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

That should be the Skins' motto for the '07 season.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

i think i just figured out how they build the pyramids

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I think this is the movie Maria must have seen that caused her to fall in love.

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 10:17 PM | Report abuse

i never got ronin

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Nate - your genius continues.

But I think all the coaches have got to wear JEJ's wig on the sidelines. Imagine Gibbs with long flowing hair AND the vest.

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 10:19 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, I heard it was "Pumping Iron" that got Maria all fired up. After spending her whole life among skinny, effete Bostonites, she finally found the man who could stand up to her jaw.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Ok...I'm really out of it....I thought you all were talking about Conan O'Brien....and found that really strange because (1) what is so thrilling about him?and (2) his show does not come on until midnight :)

Gibbs on Comcast today: Final installment of Kelli Johnson interview. Kelli asked him if the Skins would consider bringing in a GM. He said (again) that he has no objections if he,Dan, and others in the organization decide that is the way to go. Said it would depend on "the person" -they would not bring in just any GM but if they decide to do so and the right person is available who knows?

Posted by: Lisa | January 4, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Oh my god JEJ's armor would be perfect for ManBoobs!

Oh and this meeting looks like a gathering of the KKK.

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Ok...I'm really out of it....I thought you all were talking about Conan O'Brien.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

OMYGODDDDDDDDD lisa! i almost woke my girls

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Nate - your genius continues.

But I think all the coaches have got to wear JEJ's wig on the sidelines. Imagine Gibbs with long flowing hair AND the vest.

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 10:19 PM
In tears! LMAO

Pumping Iron" Nate I have the DVD. The best line is when he says " I wake up and have sex, I go to the gym and come home and have sex. I want to have sex all the time." LMAO!

Posted by: Anonymous | January 4, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, that rocked.

Among the current staff I think Bugel would make the best Mongol chief. Slap a little moustache on him and a fur hat, put him on horseback and toss him a battle axe, and you'd have the most intimidating sideline presences since Lombardi himself.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes that very flammable stone.

Bravo Conan!

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the entertainment...now i must go to sleep.

lisa, it really seems like gibbs wants to hire a "gm" but has to sell it to danny and the others...

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Ah thanks jm! That was an excellent 45 minutes. They just don't make them like that anymore which is a cryin shame.

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 10:31 PM | Report abuse

i wish i had the time to stay up and watch ronin and someone would explain to me this stupid movie cuz i didn't get it. "so what?" i thought...

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Dealer - I think it's like a 70s action/drama a la French Connection. It's a bit slow but if you just try to put yourself in a slow mindset it's not too bad.

Posted by: sfskin | January 4, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, that rocked.

Among the current staff I think Bugel would make the best Mongol chief. Slap a little moustache on him and a fur hat, put him on horseback and toss him a battle axe, and you'd have the most intimidating sideline presences since Lombardi himself.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 4, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

i'm all for slow sfskin. but it never paid off for me. maybe it was deeper than the story/ending i guess. anyways...i'm watching it but i should really go...

good night. and have fun. see ya!

and didn't it seem like this blog really took off after the season ended?

Posted by: dealer | January 4, 2007 10:41 PM | Report abuse

it's okay man. we all have a long ways to go in this country regarding race relations. the fact that you called me "bruh" and think that i was passed over for a promotion and your second quote says it all.

FYI just cuz it's "psychological" doesn't mean it's right. it just means that it comes natural to you because that's what you/i were taught.

i was apologizing for using graphic language in my last post...i hid it well but not that well. got carried away a bit there


dealer, the "passed over" part of my post was an attempt at humor to lighten the mood. I am a black man and I feel what you're saying. At the same time, I can't get worked up over the draft position of a guy who is going to make more money on his signing bonus than most blacks will make in their lifetimes. I am more disturbed by black-owned media companies feeding our children images that glorify "ballin'" and other anti-social behavior. I am also disturbed that black people take offense at blacks being compared to other blacks. Why is that "not right"? Does it make Campbell or Russell better players if they are compared to white QBs? There's nothing wrong with being compared to Doug Williams, James Harris or Joe Gilliam.

Posted by: LH | January 4, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I think that there's about 500 300-lb. linemen from the last 20 years who think that Bugel doesn't need any costumes to channel Atilla the Hun...

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 4, 2007 10:44 PM | Report abuse

LH I know you didn't go Joe Gilliam on them. You're the man brother.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 4, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

And the beat goes on......now B Mitch is on Comcast talking about our "dysfunctional" Redskins family. He is rehashing the Portis interview, etc. And we thought the season was over. Hopefully, all of this bad press will facilitate a "Come to Jesus" meeting and the Skins will be reborn in a positive way.

Other news Comcast reported: Cowher to announce his retirement; Art Shell to be either fired or resign tomorrow. They are even speculating on Cowher going to Miami or heaven forbid Oakland! Why would Cowher leave Pittsburgh to take another HQ position - especially Oakland?

Posted by: Lisa | January 4, 2007 10:46 PM | Report abuse

LH forgot to sign my name on the post. OK crew a brother is out. Try my best to post in the morning. If not will hit everyone up during lunch. May you all have a good night.

Posted by: jm220 | January 4, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore is painting the city "Purple" in celebration of their playoff berth :-(

When, oh when, will we be able to paint the White House burgundy & gold???

Posted by: Lisa | January 4, 2007 10:56 PM | Report abuse

To all the people talking about trades for Duckett.....

It's not going to happen. Duckett is free to go anywhere and no team would have to give up anything for him (just get a contract that Duckett will sign). He's an unrestricted free agent.

Which makes the whole trade for him all the more stupid. We're going to give up a 3rd and a 4th round pick for him and he's not even going to be here next year and contributed zippy to the Redskins this season.

Only the Redskins would trade for him and we're not in the market (kinda like we did with Brunell -- traded a 3rd round pick and paid him $40 mil when we could have had him a couple of weeks later for free and paid him half the money). And that one is TOTALLY on Gibbs.

Posted by: 'canes fan (not Miami) | January 4, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

JEJ is the man. Loved him as Jack Johnson in the "Great White Hope" and as Rupert or "Roop" in "Claudine". "Bingo Long..." is another good one starring JEJ and Mr. Colt 45 malt liquor.

Posted by: LH | January 4, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

At least for Duckett, we didn't resign him for extravagant amounts of money when it wasn't needed and before he played a down for us (unlike Lloyd who got $30 mil even though he was under contract I think for another year when we traded a 3rd and a 4th round draft pick for him). Wouldn't it have been better to encourage optimal perfomance from this head case with a contract year coming up. Think of how much better off we'd be for cap space with him not having been given so much guaranteed money. He'll cost us, what, $9 mil in dead cap space if he's cut?

Where's that GM?

Posted by: 'canes fan (not Miami) | January 4, 2007 11:08 PM | Report abuse

w/r to Ronin. The car chase scene is AWWWESOME.

Posted by: LH | January 4, 2007 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Back in Gibbs I, BB and JB were famous for finding players in late rounds (Clint Didier was a 12th rounder) or undrafted. Was this all BB or was it some JB too? Seems like we could use some of this same mojo today. Finding good players late in the draft or undrafted could be a big win -- especially financially where the team strapped for cap space.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 4, 2007 11:35 PM | Report abuse

The Duckett pickup is a good example of 20/20 hindsight. If Portis didn't make it back from the shoulder injury, and Betts typical injury problem cropped up, our HB tandem would've been Rock and... and... Nemo Broughton ? Given that you are sitting in Ashburn in August, thinking about how to go deep into the playoffs, I'd be thinking about how cheap a third-round insurance policy would be. If they hadn't made the trade, and we got into the position of starting the Rock against the Iggles or the Jints with the playoffs on the line, Blog nation would be up in arms about our 'inability to prepare'.

And just think -- we've got Double Move, but we could very easily have Mike Williams instead -- that was a blog idea/complaint during the 2005 draft.

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 4, 2007 11:54 PM | Report abuse

canes fan, I don't think anyone was talking about trading Duckett ... just not re-signing him and wishing him well (ideas/suggestions for where HE should decide to go included NYJ and Arizona).

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Conan rules...I have the DVD, the soundtrack, the comics, the novels.

I dont live in California and am not a Republican buit the worst part of Arnold as Gov for me was that before he ran he was planning on doing "Conan The King" the story of Conan's golden years as his next movie...what could have been...

Posted by: chris Larry | January 5, 2007 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I'll be the first to agree that hindsight is 20/20. But at the time they traded for him, at least according to reports, CP was going to be back for the first or second game. Additionally, the trade ended up being a 3rd and a 4th round pick (or could have ended up being us trading 1st round picks with the Broncos). As mentioned, we could have waited to acquire someone off waivers as cuts were made to add depth if needed. You left of Sellers from our list of backs.

We simply give up TOO MANY DRAFT PICKS. Should we recite the list?

Brunell : 3rd round pick (HE WAS GOING TO BE CUT IN 2 WEEKS because the Jags owed him a huge salary bonus on 01 Mar if still on the team, AND then we overpaid him)

Champ for CP : When I first heard about the trade I thought WE were going to get the second round pick, but no.

Campbell: how many picks? 2 first round picks and a couple of others (mid rounds). Not saying that I'm not glad we moved up to get him, but did we need to move up to get him (or give up that much).

Macintosh: how many picks we give to move up for him? 2 or 3 I think.

Lloyd: 3rd and a 4th rounder in the trade.

Coles: I think we gave up several picks for him as a restricted free agent.

Point is, the Redskins over the past 3 or 4 years have a history of giving up a whole lot of draft picks. The Broncos must LOVE us. We've single handedly given them a bunch of really good picks and players. I am quite sure that when we're negotiating with other teams now they keep that in mind and hold out for more than they would expect from other teams.

And this year when we need a lot of help on D, we're going to have one first day draft pick and won't pick again until the 4th round on the second day.

Posted by: 'Canes Fan (not Miami) | January 5, 2007 8:21 AM | Report abuse

And we have no cap room to "buy" the needed players. And we have players who can't play (at least in Washington - Lloyd and Archuleta). Between the two of them they would count for about $18 mil in DEAD cap space if we cut them...

Posted by: 'Canes Fan (not Miami) | January 5, 2007 8:42 AM | Report abuse

And we have to / need to still sign Dockery who's going to get offered a lot of money as a free agent.

Posted by: 'Canes Fan (not Miami) | January 5, 2007 8:43 AM | Report abuse

canes fan (not Miami), so which 'canes are you a fan of? carolina hockey?

Posted by: Anonymous | January 5, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Yes!

Posted by: 'Canes Fan (not Miami) | January 5, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 'Canes Fan (not Miami)

Wow, your blog name is much too long and complicated, not to mention confusing.

Why not change it to something easier, eh? Maybe you could get across the same message with a less confusing choice.

Like maybe "NC Puckhead".

Thanks.

Posted by: Toe Blake | January 5, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Toe,

Was that supposed to be an insult? Came across as one.

Posted by: charlie | January 5, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Well Toe, sorry I can't be as clever as you. Didn't realize there was a moniker police...

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