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Daniels Agrees to Terms

Defensive end Phillip Daniels says he expects to sign a contract to return to the Redskins in the next few days, and will definitely play for the team in the fall, as he told the Washington Times on Friday. Daniels called the Redskins today and agreed to terms on a one-year, veteran minimum deal, according to a league source.

"I'm coming back, I just talked to all the guys," Daniels said by telephone after a training session in Chicago. "I'll probably end up signing today or tomorrow, but I'm definitely coming back."

Daniels and his friend Renaldo Wynn are the only experienced left ends on the roster and the two are likely to share time. Daniels has expressed his desire to start and would likely come into training camp as the front-runner. He has been with the Redskins since 2004 but has battled injuries and missed all of last season after hurting his knee on the first day of training camp.

Daniels, who said he is in great health now and will continue to work out on his own in Chicago, expects to join the team for mini-camp after the draft. He does power lifting sessions in the offseason, and has generally been allowed to do so with his personal trainers instead of participating in the offseason workout program at Redskins Park.

He said he is working out twice a day and calls the sessions, "a mixture of everything, speed work, running drills, power lifting."

Daniels said he is excited to be back with the Redskins and long time coach/coordinator Greg Blache. He is also eager to have this decision finally behind him.

"I'm happy about it," Daniels said. "I'll definitely be coming back."

By Jason La Canfora  |  March 30, 2009; 2:27 PM ET
 
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Nice, now all our holes are filled

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | March 30, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Hope he can stay healthy. We should have a stout run defence.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 30, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Nice to have some depth on the D-line. Daniels ain't no slouch...vet experience, damn good run stuffer, should have a good season now that Prince Albert's in the mix...all at the right price.

Posted by: tripz | March 30, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

This is great news. Gives us more flex in the draft.

Posted by: edvar | March 30, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Skins targeting Sanchez at No. 13?
Although needs along the offensive and defensive lines are more prevalent for the team this offseason, it's beginning to look like the Washington Redskins could be ready to invest the No. 13 pick in the NFL draft on Mark Sanchez.
During the initial few days of McJaygate, Redskins coach Jim Zorn indicated that the team did not have interest in trading for Jay Cutler, and Vinny Cerrato, the team's executive vice president of football operations, echoed that sentiment, telling the Washington Times that "Jason [Campbell] is going to be our quarterback this season."

But it's important to note the final two words in that statement. The Redskins may want to give Campbell one more chance this season while at the same time setting themselves up with his replacement in Sanchez. According to Pro Football Weekly, the team has put the USC quarterback through a private workout already, and is now in the process of performing due diligence.

While it would certainly make sense to draft a talented successor in Sanchez, the Skins might be in a tough spot if Andre Smith or Michael Oher are still on the board. Either man would be a suitable pick to supplement veterans Chris Samuels, who will turn 32 this summer, and Jon Jansen, who turned 33 in January. One player who probably hopes the team elects to boost the offensive line in the draft is Clinton Portis. Although Portis finished 2008 as the league's fourth-leading rusher with 1,487 yards, it took him 342 carries to get there. The 4.3 average yards per carry is in line with what he's produced as a member of the Redskins, but a far cry from the 5.5 yards per carry he averaged in his two seasons with the Denver Broncos.

Posted by: tdogjuwan | March 30, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"now all our holes are filled"

Say what?

We still need big help at LB and O line and probably corner depth. We may have bodies to slot in for now as starters, but that doesn't mean we're covered.

Posted by: edvar | March 30, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Great pick up. They should go after Smith if he is there at 13 now.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 30, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez is an unknown commodity (1 season/Junior). It's not worth ignoring the teams other glaring needs to fool with him.

We would be much better served biting the bullet and building dominance on both sides of the line than taking a first round flier on a QB with question marks.

And we must save our picks for next year. A little discipline will go a long way here.

Posted by: edvar | March 30, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

solid pickup for vet. minimum.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | March 30, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

While we're at it, maybe Coy Bacon is available.

Philip Daniels was average at 26. Why is it newsworthy to report that we signed him at 36? File this under.."Who Cares?"


Nice, now all our holes are filled

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | March 30, 2009 2:36 PM

If by this you mean we're screwed, you're correct.

Posted by: original_mark | March 30, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

edvar

It was my attempt at a little bit of sarcasm there.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | March 30, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Our LDE hole is now filled! Vinny does it again!

Posted by: smutsboy | March 30, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Do we have Prince Albert in a can?


...DOHP!

....maps...

The greatest part about this update, IMO, is how exuberant Daniels is about coming back. Obviously, being off for a year probably adds to that, but if a vet skin like Daniels is excited, that has to be a good sign.

... I go for the intangibles... as if ya didn't kno...

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 30, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"now all our holes are filled"

Say what?

Posted by: edvar | March 30, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, That is what she said.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 30, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Our holes have been filled pretty much every year for a while now. It sure would be nice to have a season when all of our holes are NOT filled by Vinny et. al.. This is getting painful.

How in the world can we expect a old, average, injury prone guy coming off of a debilitating injury to start at DE and be effective? I can understand being a fan but let's be realistic here.

Posted by: original_mark | March 30, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

edvar

It was my attempt at a little bit of sarcasm there.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | March 30, 2009 2:48 PM

Oh, thank God...

Posted by: edvar | March 30, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

jm, there is a you-tube video out there of Daniels doing 700 pound squats. It was made either in Jan, or February of this year......I'd be willing to keep daniels areound after he retires to help out with strength training.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 30, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"Sadly, That is what she said."

Were YOU sad or was SHE sad? I'm confused.

Posted by: original_mark | March 30, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

edvar

It was my attempt at a little bit of sarcasm there.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | March 30, 2009 2:48 PM

Oh, thank God...

I think maybe I have my humor filter set too high.

Posted by: edvar | March 30, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

If he stays healthy. Great. If not, then we're in trouble again.

But remember, the D was still pretty good w/o him and we stand to be pretty darn good this year too.

Now, if the offense can get more than 20 yards a posession, we may do something.. hehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 30, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

'....The wild card could be getting Washington to come back for a veteran-minimum deal, but other players have told me that (he) is not interested in coming back....'


M Washington has no interest in coming back?

Hopefully, Rey Mauaulga gets his number.

No disrepect to the oft-injured one, but in his absence we find a gold nugget: this may force the team's hand in the draft.

The team shored up its obvious weakness at left de-end by signing Daniels/Wynn. This takes away the option of running at the skins' edges where last year with Jason Taylor playing was a glaring weak link in the run defense game.

The team would do well to add one of the top flight linebackers in the draft with the 13th pick--no matter his deficiency. No one has seemed to notice the skins haven't added a good young stud 'backer to the team in some time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 30, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"there is a you-tube video out there of Daniels doing 700 pound squats"


Now if we could just figure out how to translate that into sacks...

Unfortunately, in the course of a game it's hard to convince the offensive linemen to climb up onto his shoulders.

Posted by: original_mark | March 30, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow B that's a lot of damn weight. When I did 510 it felt like a damn truck was on my back.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 30, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

...and when she said that, I made the Benny Hill "huuuhh?" face...

\8-/

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 30, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I agree that this is good news. With AH in the middle alongside Griffin/Montgomery/Alexander the DE's are going to have a much better year. THANK YOU for re-signing Philip!

#13 Pick - Shore up the O-line or take a monster LB. If we go QB that will be a HUGE disappointment.

Posted by: sixfourspades | March 30, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I leg pressed 935 lbs once....

.....ONCE....!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 30, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Ok I'll add my own punch line...

"Unfortunately, in the course of a game it's hard to convince the offensive linemen to climb up onto his shoulders."


That's the only way Daniels gets close to any sacks this year.

Posted by: original_mark | March 30, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I think adding either a stud LB or DE with #13 makes this defence scary. Rey Rey is a larger version of Troy P out in Pitt. Playmaker writen all over him.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 30, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

yikes, thats a lot too....I think his knee must be healthy if he's squatting 700.....

While Daniels is not a game-changer, I think he holds the point well, and can tie up multiple blockers.

This year, more so than anything, Zorn needs to use his players in more of a rotational role....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 30, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I have heard Daniels is one of the strongest guys in the league when it comes to pumping iron. But the ol'man needs to drink more milk, get them bones strong.

He may not be a big man in terms of the stat sheet but I remember Daniel's was great for taking up multiple blockers and screwing up the run, think he can still do that every down or 2.

You need 2 guys to block AH, 1-2 for Griff and Daniels and 1 (a rare 2) for Carter. means more often then not you will get 1 guy free or send blitzes and get at it that way.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 30, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Daniels Agrees to Terms

Defensive end Phillip Daniels says he expects to sign a contract to return to the Redskins in the next few days, and will definitely play for the team in the fall. Daniels called the Redskins today and agreed to terms on a one-year, veteran minimum deal, according to a league source.

Ah, Sanchez it is then..

Posted by: TheCork | March 30, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Earlier today, Albert Haynesworth entered a not-guilty plea in connection with the reckless driving charges stemming from the December accident outside Nashville. Haynesworth was not required to attend the hearing and did not do so.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | March 30, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

When Daniels more than likely gets hurt at some point next season, I'm assuming that leaves R.Wynn as the full time starter at DE?

That can't be good

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | March 30, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

tdogjuwan

'...Skins targeting Sanchez at No. 13?'

It makes sense to me.

We've blogged for a couple of days now that the team will add whomever it feels is the best player--bloggas/media types be damned.

Folks have been aping for players based on need when history dictates the team will select whomever it wants.

Mark Sanchez: sure, why not.

We'll just have to scrape the paint of the "Colt O' Cult" bandwagon, wave the charismatic, dread-locked fellow good-bye, and start tossing around phrases like, "We'd be on the mark with Mark" or "Send in Sanchez" or "We'd have better proctection with the Trojan."

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 30, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Wow B that's a lot of damn weight. When I did 510 it felt like a damn truck was on my back.

JM220


I'd like to take this opportunity to note that if anything I've said in the past has offended you, I sincerely apologize.

Unless you're lying, in which case, b!te me.

Posted by: TheCork | March 30, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Moe -

Wasn't Rocky Mac and second rounder and our first pick in the draft in 2006?

Posted by: edvar | March 30, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

JM,
When you did 510 on your back what was the man name :)
Badumpbum

Posted by: alex35332 | March 30, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

lmao @ cork!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 30, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"Daniels Agrees to Terms"... Get your playoff tickets!!

Posted by: john24 | March 30, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

Do you really think Sanchez would be the best player available at 13? His own coach said that he should not have left. That should tell you something.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 30, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Nice report, ESPN.

I think the skins will draft Sanchez right after they shift Jansen to left tackle.

Nice to see Vinny finally got some media shlub to bite on the Sanchez rumor.

With luck he'll still be there, and someone will pay dearly to move up to #13

Posted by: TheCork | March 30, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Who would you take?

2008 Jason Taylor + 2008 Demetric Evans

or

unknown 2009 Albert Haynesworth + 2009 Philip Daniels + 2009 Renaldo Wynn

I'd take the second group in a heartbeat. Now for that pesky SLB slot. C'moooon MWash.

Posted by: psps23 | March 30, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

The Jets desperately need a QB, and dont pick until 17.

We could get there 17 and 52 for 13.

Posted by: swowra | March 30, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

'...Ah, Sanchez it is then...'

The thing that makes it seems like an 'is' is that last year, the team conducted the same pattern of behavior with Malcolm Kelly.

If I remember right, they went out to Oklahoma a few weeks before the draft, held a practice with Campbell tossing darts Kelly's way, and came away satified that he was a player.

And so far, we are not satified that he is.

Some of us have been blogging that despite what other bloggas/media types say, the 13th pick could be either a corner or dynamic offensive player.

I hope we are not right.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 30, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

*their 17...

Posted by: swowra | March 30, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

The Jets desperately need a QB, and dont pick until 17.

We could get there 17 and 52 for 13.

Posted by: swowra | March 30, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

That would be great if it happened. Could fill a DE/LB, OL/DE, OL/LB, or DE/LB.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 30, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

It's great to have you back, Phil!

Here's to a fruitful season for the D Train and Malcom Kelly.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 30, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

edvar

'...Rocky Mac and second rounder and our first pick in the draft in 2006...'

I think we believe in Rocky Mac more than most.

Name the last dominating play you saw him make.

I still see him getting smoked in coverage in the niner's game.

When is his standout season coming? Let me know so I can be on hand to see it.

Second rounder, Rocky Mac?: I'll say bust because no one else will.

Remember how da bears wanted Rocky in the "Lance Briggs" fiasco?

We should've given them the guy. Briggs is a monster.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 30, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Interesting take on Overtime from Clayton's Mailbag:

"The NFL's overtime rules seem to be unpopular. A possible solution to the overtime issue would be to have the pregame coin flip also count for the overtime period. Though some will still complain, at least the luck factor associated with the coin flip is avoided. A team trailing by one, knowing it will not get the ball back in overtime, could then go for the two-point conversion. If that occurs -- success or failure -- overtime is avoided."

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 30, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Great pick up. They should go after Smith if he is there at 13 now.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 30, 2009 2:45 PM

U lost faith in Heyer too?

Sorry, JM220, Smith won't be there....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 30, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

king

'...Do you really think Sanchez would be the best player available at 13?'

(INSERT George Jefferson sarcastic black man voice)

Do I think Mark Sanchez is the best player availiable?

No and hell no.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 30, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

That would be great if it happened. Could fill a DE/LB, OL/DE, OL/LB, or DE/LB.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 30, 2009 3:18 PM

What about a OT/OG, OG/C, RB/WR/KR, or the CB/S combo guy?

Posted by: TWISI | March 30, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Interesting take on Overtime from Clayton's Mailbag:
"The NFL's overtime rules seem to be unpopular. A possible solution to the overtime issue would be to have the pregame coin flip also count for the overtime period. Though some will still complain, at least the luck factor associated with the coin flip is avoided. A team trailing by one, knowing it will not get the ball back in overtime, could then go for the two-point conversion. If that occurs -- success or failure -- overtime is avoided."

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 30, 2009 3:24 PM

I'd dig that.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 30, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Yoder,
That is actually a smart idea.

I still vote for the 1 drive each rule:
If team 1 gets a field goal on the opening drive the other team gets to respond, and attempt a tie, or if team 1 got a FG then team 2 can go for a TD to win.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 30, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

What about a OT/OG, OG/C, RB/WR/KR, or the CB/S combo guy?

Posted by: TWISI | March 30, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Haha combo guy.. I like that. I just got excited about the possibility of having more picks. Any combo is fine with combo guy!

Posted by: FedorEm | March 30, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

twisi, agreed, if we drop back to 17, and pick up 52, I'm shopping the 17 for something in the mid 20's, and a third.

17 would be a little too early to pick up one of the second tier Tackles, Britton, although, I could see Loadholt coming off the board early.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 30, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

What is the deal with all the Sanchez talk at 13? It is on PFT and the Sporting news? WTF?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 30, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Yoder - The players overwhemingly voted against change. So, I don't get what Clayton is tlaking about.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 30, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

If I would change anything in OT, I'd change this:

No Field Goals.

That gives the defense a legitimate chance at stopping the offense, and in my opinion, severely lessens the impact of the coin toss (as it now doesn't just take 30-40 yards to win the game in OT).

Posted by: psps23 | March 30, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Ain't nobody giving us a 2nd round pick to move up four spots in the first round.

Only we would do something that dumb.

Posted by: smutsboy | March 30, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Daniels and Wynn must be nice guys in the locker room...attend all the work outs....yada yada.....

just one HUGE problem.......they are mediocre at best on the field and add ZERO relief to the pass rushing problems....

Posted by: unc1dmo | March 30, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

For OT, kickoffs from the 40 instead of the 30 -- makes it much more likely the receiving team starts in a hole. Touchback starts at the 10 yard line instead of the 20.

Problem solved.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Why are y'all talking about #17 as if that was our pick?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 30, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The Skins should hope the lions take Stafford with the number one pick and then hope Andre Smith really does fall to # 13...if that happens (which is very possible) I could definitely foresee the trade with the lions to give up our #13 pick for their #20 and #33 pick. Then the lions get their franchise QB and their bookend Left Tackle. At one point these two were projected to go #1 and #2 so they would definitely be getting a good deal in exchange for those two picks. Then we get Oher to man up the RT spot at #20 and either Clint Sintim to fill in the LB hole or Michael Johnson to fill in the DE hole. Both sides get what they want and then in the 3rd round depending on who we take with the 33 pick we get either a DE or LB. We would definitely come out of the day with a GREAT draft. This can definitely be done

Posted by: jeffco01 | March 30, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

oh and I'm glad Daniels is coming back. With the depth we have at DT he should split time and be rather effective...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 30, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

FedorEm I hear you, the possibilities are intriguing.

BeantownGreg if the skins could swing that move, it'll be a fun draft weekend. BTW anyone planning to go to the FedEX draft party?

Posted by: TWISI | March 30, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

hopefully we can bait the Jets in trading up to 13

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 30, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Smutsboy,

Yeah, I agree, but the 'Skins could trade #13 for #17 and #76.

The idea of a JetSkins trade is not likely at all, really, given that the Jets only have 6 picks overall, the least number of picks in the AFC East (sound familiar?).

Posted by: swowra | March 30, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

swowra

'...The Jets desperately need a QB, and dont pick until 17....'

Are the Jets so desperate they want Mark Sanchez?

If I'm them, I say, "This time, let's go without the Trojan."

Both Sanchez and Stafford came out early to beat next year's great quarterbacks class (Bradford, McCoy, Tebow).

Each could use some bench time before playing--which is why it makes very little sense to take the risk that comes with drafting either one of them with high picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 30, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

jeffcoo: "if that happens (which is very possible) I could definitely foresee the trade with the lions to give up our #13 pick for their #20 and #33 pick."

In my considered opinion, based on available facts, and knowledge of the Lions, I would say definitely,

not a prayer.

Now a later first and a mid-round pick, possibly. Or a second next year? Conceivably.

But the 20th and 33rd this year for 13?

Nope.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 30, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"How in the world can we expect a old, average, injury prone guy coming off of a debilitating injury to start at DE and be effective? I can understand being a fan but let's be realistic here. Posted by: original_mark"

Well, because it's TWO old injury-prone guys at one position. The gamble is that both or one will stay healthy all season.

But neither one is particularly 'average'. They're both tough and mean, which last time I looked, was more important in a stay-at-home DE than vertical jump.

But if one or both get hurt, you can feel entitled to gloat.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 30, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "Both Sanchez and Stafford came out early to beat next year's great quarterbacks class (Bradford, McCoy, Tebow)."

jeez, is that the strategy? If so, they're deluded, because none of those 3 underclassmen are particularly ready to start in the NFL.

Bradford and McCoy are dead even in ability, but both play in gimmicky Big 12 offenses and will undergo an extended learning curve in the League. Tebow is Vince Young II, except shorter. Can he translate to the pro set? Could Vince?

Off his arm alone, Stafford is a better pro prospect than any of those three. It's his judgment that draws questions. Sanchez makes decent decisions but is basically a short to mid-distance passer. Josh Freeman is the Joe Flacco type. Where the questions about Flacco had to do with his lower-level playing background, the questions about Freeman have to do with his apparent inconsistency.

But there were questions about Matt Ryan, too. Particularly those 19 interceptions. That may come back to haunt him later, by the way, if teams pressure him the way he got pressured in the playoffs.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 30, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

For the 2009 season, the left side of the defensive line will now be known to opposing teams as the "geritol side". As in, "Sweep geritol, on three, break!" or "Three...twenty...red...geritol, geritol...hike!" This will coincide with the announcement that Washington will be replacing the obsolete "wind sprints" with the "faint breeze mosey". God help us. There are a few right tackles in the NFC East that will sleep real well, secure in the knowledge that Vinny Cerrato is in their corner...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 30, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

But the 20th and 33rd this year for 13?
Nope.
Posted by: Samson151 | March 30, 2009 3:48


So true. The 14,15, & 16 aren't going after a QB so doesn't it really make sense to trade with the 16 spot if you need to beat the Jets to a QB rather than pay 13 spot money? If you're the Jets there's no need to trade up. One of the three QB's will be there at 17.

Posted by: will_ga | March 30, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

You guys are all forgetting one thing about Phillip Daniels, He has always been a pass deflecting machine at the LOS. He was always good for an average of 1 or 2 passes batted down a game when healthy.

Posted by: rjohnson66 | March 30, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

maybe this is a faint...make everyone think we are interested in sanchez...then we can get someone to trade up for the #13 pick...

then again...they are probably saying that to make people think its a bluff...then we'll call their bluff and actually draft him...cambell will get destroyed by no protection...and next year its a battle between colt 45 and dirty sanchez for the starting spot...neither of which has a chance either cause we've also simulanously continued to neglect the oline and instead signed a couple of overpriced, over the hill and crippled free agents and thus once again our line crumbles apart as the season plays out...

not to worry though cause jeff george is still looking to make a come back and danny snyder offers him millions to come back and have exclusive rights to make a movie on the jeff george story...starring of course, tom cruise as dan snyder and jason taylor as vinnie cerato and jeff george as...well...jeff george!!!

Posted by: deadskin | March 30, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

According to the draft value chart:

#13 == 1,150 points

#17 & #53 == 950 + 370 == 1320 points

If the Skins could convince the Jets to make a trade of #13 for #17 and #53, then the advantage is to the Skins. I doubt the Jets would make that trade, unless the Skins sweeten the pot with their third round pick (#80 == 190 pts).

A fair trade down is only viable for a lower round 1st (i.e. #23 or less) and a lower 2nd. For example: #23 (760) + #55 (350) == 1,110 points.

Posted by: siris | March 30, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"A fair trade down is only viable for a lower round 1st (i.e. #23 or less) and a lower 2nd. For example: #23 (760) + #55 (350) == 1,110 points.

Posted by: siris | March 30, 2009"

Or they could throw in a player to "sweeten" the pot. Or they could use next year's draft picks to get 2 in the first and another in the second with a team like New England which already has plenty of talent and depth.

Its a risk given how well Vinnie and staff judge talent when making the choice as opposed to evaluating. I believe that Zorn and Blache ought to have the final word, along with Snidely/Vinnie. They will have a better idea of who they can likely rely on and who won't show. Vinnie is not a good judge of such things.

Posted by: periculum | March 30, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

"When is his standout season coming? Let me know so I can be on hand to see it.

Second rounder, Rocky Mac?: I'll say bust because no one else will.

Remember how da bears wanted Rocky in the "Lance Briggs" fiasco?

We should've given them the guy. Briggs is a monster."

I'l take landry over briggs any day. Safties with that type of range come along once a decade, and he has the tackling power to go with it. we were lucky to get 2 of those guys in 5 years. Mcintosh will have a big year, ive said it before. He is healthy now, he tore his ACL week 15 last season, and made it back for the season opener, there is no way he was full go at any point last year. I remember a dominant mcintosh hunting the ball early in 2007, and he will revert to that this year. I'l have Mcintosh + Ladry any day

Posted by: DaFunBunch | March 30, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

"When is his standout season coming? Let me know so I can be on hand to see it.

Second rounder, Rocky Mac?: I'll say bust because no one else will.

Remember how da bears wanted Rocky in the "Lance Briggs" fiasco?

We should've given them the guy. Briggs is a monster."

I'l take landry over briggs any day. Safties with that type of range come along once a decade, and he has the tackling power to go with it. we were lucky to get 2 of those guys in 5 years. Mcintosh will have a big year, ive said it before. He is healthy now, he tore his ACL week 15 last season, and made it back for the season opener, there is no way he was full go at any point last year. I remember a dominant mcintosh hunting the ball early in 2007, and he will revert to that this year. I'l have Mcintosh + Lanry any day

Posted by: DaFunBunch | March 30, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

"For OT, kickoffs from the 40 instead of the 30 -- makes it much more likely the receiving team starts in a hole. Touchback starts at the 10 yard line instead of the 20.

Problem solved."

Wrong. Whenever a team starts backed up, they often go 3 and out because they don't have as much of the playbook to work with. This will result in the team losing the coin toss to get the ball at the 50 or their own 40 every time, now rewarding a team for "losing" the coin toss

Posted by: DaFunBunch | March 30, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Enough with washed up vets signing for the minimum! I'd rather have D. Evans than all these injury prone has-beens.

Wynn, Daniels and Washington won't play 20 games combined next season. I want guys who can play!!

Posted by: elfreako | March 30, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Enough with washed up vets signing for the minimum! I'd rather have D. Evans than all these injury prone has-beens.Wynn, Daniels and Washington won't play 20 games combined next season. I want guys who can play!!Posted by: elfreako"

Guess we'll see. Noting that some guy called El Freako made a prediction....

Posted by: Samson151 | March 30, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

willga: "One of the three QB's will be there at 17."

You're probably on the money. Definitely Freeman, possibly Sanchez, too. Depends on Detroit.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 30, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey Moe -

Sorry I checked out for a while. The Rocky Mack post was in response to the point that the Skins hadn't added a young stud LB in a long time. I guess my point was, not for lack of effort.

Yeah R Mac had one good season, but like you, I am still waiting.

For that matter, when's the last time they added a young STUD O lineman or DE. Funny how that seems to be the three positions of greatest need in our draft this year.

Man, I really hope they draft well this year!

Posted by: edvar | March 30, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

If we are going to draft someone that we dont necessarily need with that 1st pick then we should draft Knoshown Moreno. Portis isnt getting any younger and needs a legit backup to help him share the load and make big plays.

Posted by: duncanrobee | March 30, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I realize this blog is for us diehard Skins fans but c'mon fellas. Some of you guys cross the line and are flat out ignorant and very disrespectful at times.

Phillip Daniels is a consummate professional. He's played his heart out for years. AND YES INJURIES ARE PART OF THE GAME IDIOTS. Just because a player gets injured doesn't make him a bum. I am sick and tired of people labeling guys like Phillip Daniels and Jon Jansen as has-beens or bums. Fact is, they are solid both on and off the field.

I like reading these threads once or twice a week because sometimes there are insightful thoughts and interesting views in here. But seriously, grow up and stop slamming NFL players when you don't understand what it is like to be in their shoes.

I feel we are lucky to have guys Daniels and Jansen on our team, we need them to get to the Super Bowl. I could even say the same for guys like Pete Kendall (although it looks as if he has moved on.)

As far as the draft goes, trade back and pickup a utility O-lineman and weakside linebacker.

Posted by: mriles17 | March 30, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Well that gives us a rotation at LDE AND if I'm remembering correctly, WYNN played opposite DANIELS at RDE until CARTER arrived. So there's some experienced back-up for CARTER also. Throw in JACKSON, WILSON and BUZBEE and I feel better about the total D-line. LAWRENCE SIDBURY Jr. could be had in the third round I believe, but that position appears set now. Converting him to a SLB would take too much time for team needs.

I still say #13 is TOO high for a RightOT, and I continue to believe the top tier LeftOT's will all be off the board at #13 which leaves us......

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

original_mark:

U-h-h, COY died this past season. Probably still could bring it however. Not a person to be trifled with. I have seen and conversed with him on numerous occasions during his playing days. He talked, asked questions, and I responded with "YES, sir" or "NO sir" whenever possible. Could be quite a surly personality. Traveled about with an entourage of body-building black-belts who took care of mouthy patrons. Was quite pleasant as long as you didn't toy with him. Good choice but unavailable I'm afraid.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I certainly mean no disrespect to Daniels, Jansen, or the departed Springs. But the fact of the matter is pro football is a young man's game. You can't beat father time, and when your time is up your body starts to break down and you become injury prone. All these guys are good character guys on and off the field and good for the locker room but their time is done. Jansen at this point wether he beleives it or not is a backup at best; able to perform at a high level for a few games and that's it.Sure he feels healthy now, it's the offseason. I'd bet the house he couldn't honestly say that come the first week in November. I remember in 2007 how on some plays Daniels looked so slow and was no pass rushing threat at all and he's injury prone and a year older after a major injury! Who the hell is supposed to be excited about that? Springs is up in NE and you know what? At some point during the season you'll hear about him - once again - being injured - I'm willing to bet everything I own on it. Their bodies are shot. And if we blow our first round pick on Sanchez or any other Offensive skill position then in the words of Fred Sanford I might just have ,"the big one",LOL!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | March 30, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

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