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DeAngelo Hall, Carlos Rogers limit Eagles' deep threats

Cornerbacks DeAngelo Hall and Carlos Rogers were on the spot.

They did not play particularly well in a Week 3 loss to the St. Louis Rams, and defensive coordinator Jim Haslett challenged them to do more Sunday against standout Philadelphia Eagles wide receivers DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin.

With Hall and Rogers playing very physically, Jackson and Maclin combined for just four catches for 34 yards and no touchdowns in Washington's 17-12 victory. Containing Jackson and Maclin was among the keys to Haslett's game plan to slow down the Eagles' offense, which had produced many big plays through three games, and Rogers and Hall delivered.

"We locked up them guys down the field, and they their main two targets," Rogers said. "To eliminate them guys ... we know that was going to be a big thing."

Rogers and Hall jammed Jackson and Maclin at the line and played tight. The aggressive Haslett usually prefers to blitz, but with the Redskins facing dynamic Eagles quarterback Michael Vick (he was injured late in the first quarter and did not return), Haslett mostly tried to generate a pass rush with just four players and committed everyone else to coverage.

Haslett was willing to give up some stuff underneath, and Philadelphia running back LeSean McCoy finished with 12 receptions for 110 yards. The Eagles' deep passing game, however, never materialized against the Redskins.

"Maclin, I remember he caught one deep ball [for 15 yards], when I was in cover-3 one time, and DeSean caught a few underneath routes, but that was pretty much it," Rogers said. "They hit some check downs because our backs was turned, but nothing deep. For the most part, I think we did good by doing what we wanted to do and taking those guys away. Our main goal was to do that."

By Jason Reid  | October 4, 2010; 8:53 AM ET
Categories:  Carlos Rogers, DeAngelo Hall  
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Skins being outscored 52-13 in 2nd half this year.

That won't keep us at .500.

Need to stop going into conservative shell.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

"If we're gonna continue this ineptitude in the 2nd half, we've gotta score more points in the 1st half. 30 or more sounds good!"


If anything, a 3rd quarter touchdown and long drive would do wonders for this team.

The drive would keep the other team's offense off the field, and another score 'salt' away whatever lead we may have.

A long drive/score in either the rams/texans games, and we keep Bradford off the field or don't allow M Scahub enough time to hit A Johnson at the end of the contest.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep is a free lance proctologist. Maybe he can check and see why Heyer's head is planted firmly in his own ass. Cole was silent but it had more to do with the play calling and McNabb. His 3 penalties were tuuurrible (One holding call away from the play and Two false starts).

Take away anyone of those penalties and we're not on the edge of our seat watching Avant drop a hail mary.

Or if your beantowngreg, not watching the game and hoping for a moral victory.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 4, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

ryp agreed, play calling leaves much to be desired in the 2nd half of games...they seemingly are playing scared, not to lose...thats not gonna get it done...someone needs to ask mike about this...also, STOP THROWING IT TO SELLERS!!! He almost dropped another one trying to hurdle Assante in the 4th quarter...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully, Stephon Heyer...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse


You sir are an Idiot

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 4, 2010 9:00 AM


You're right...only an idiot would want a backup tackle that can come in and not get a bunch of holding and false start penalties. How foolish of me to expect a guy in his 4th year to get better instead of get worse.

Asshat...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep is a free lance proctologist. Maybe he can check and see why Heyer's head is planted firmly in his own ass.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 4, 2010 9:04 AM

This one doesn't even take a proctologist to diagnose. You could do it yourself, Diesel. The dude went to the University of Maryland. Everyone comes out of there with his head up his ass.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

ryp agreed, play calling leaves much to be desired in the 2nd half of games....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 9:06 AM

Hard to pin it on the play calling the way that McNabb played in the second half. He was 2 for 11. Exactly what play should they have called that he could have completed?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

You're right...only an idiot would want a backup tackle that can come in and not get a bunch of holding and false start penalties. How foolish of me to expect a guy in his 4th year to get better instead of get worse.

Asshat...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse


He's a BACKUP!!!! with a natural position of RIGHT tackle not left.jeez the guy had 3 bad plays in the game and was very good in the run game but you want our BACKUP tackle to have an all pro game,and if he dosn't he should be cut??


Why do you guys think every position on OUR team should be allstar quality starters and backups,but the when the other team loses a player(Vick)it's we only won because their backup was in the game?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 4, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I hate to say it but we got very lucky on this one. That last pass into the end zone hit the receiver in both palms. That would have made it 18-17 Eagles and nobody on the defense would be stroking thwmselves.

The best thing the defense did was take Vick out of the game which gave us a chance.

Posted by: unclelonghair | October 4, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

And most people would say he's much better than he was last year,and the year before.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 4, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

This week's game against the Packers will kickoff at 1pm. Your prayers have been answered.

But then it's a Sunday night game against the Colts so don't get too comfy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 9:01 AM

Thanks brown...but crap...forgot I won't get home til 2ish this sunday...I should be careful what I wish for...oh well.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

beep, all I know is that they score none points in the 2nd half...they threw the ball to Moss none times, and Cooley twice ALL GAME...thats not gonna get it done....again, when Banks/Sellers have more receptions than Cooley/Moss/Davis combined, thats a problem.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

The best thing the defense did was take Vick out of the game which gave us a chance.

Posted by: unclelonghair | October 4, 2010 9:18 AM

Didn't like that vick was out and being replaced by someone we didn't prep for...been there...done that.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

The DB's did a great job in coverage throughout the game, but when the game was on the line, 'Los dropped a game ending interception and our DB's couldn't get off the ground to knock down a pass in the endzone. I don't expect Doughty to outjump Andre Johnson, but I do expect LaRon to bat down the ball rather than letting Avant get both hands on the ball.

Posted by: BigE44 | October 4, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

only reason the skins can't get rid of Heyer is that we don't have a better option for backup tackle right now.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 4, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

To much Sellers again, and that series of plays in the red zone. Two screens to Banks after a penalty on the first, that was very Zorn like.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 4, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...PlayAction is hurting a bit this morning...going to be a long day...but a good long day...been giving iggles fans here sh!t all morning. They all talking about the last play blah blah blah...you lost!

Please tell me we have a 1pm game coming up...all these late games are getting to me. I will have my prediction for next weeks game shortly...right now I am thinking 24-20 haha

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, these Eagle fans around me are kinda like the Dallas fans. They do all this talkin last week, but now they're all quiet and humbled this morning, kinda funny, remind me of a scolded dog!

The last 7 games of the year are 1pm starting times, unless we get flexed on Sunday Night! Don't want to bum you out though......

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse


"winning ugly" is almost every game in the NFL nowadays. there are to many teams and the talent pool is not big enough to fill the rosters with quality players. the mistakes made in these games are a combination of the talent and game plans that are to complicated for these athletes to digest.

Posted by: hessone | October 4, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

when Banks/Sellers have more receptions than Cooley/Moss/Davis combined, thats a problem.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 9:21 AM

And what is the cause of the problem? When Davis drops a pass he should have caught, that's not playcalling. When McNabb leads Armstrong out of bounds, that's not playcalling. When McNabb throws the ball into the dirt, that's not playcalling. When McNabb goes 2 for 11 in the second half, that's not playcalling.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

This team is not perfect, but if you were to tell me that we'd start the season 2-2 back when the schedule was released, I'd take that in a New York minute.

Any team which beats Dallas gets a few bonus points in my book, shooting it out with Houston was a surprise, taking it on the chin from ST Louis and coming back 16-14 showed something about the teams character, and then going into Philly and pushing around a division rival all shows what the potential of this team really is.

Sure, it's early, and we've been pretty fortunate with injuries, but any fan who had to sit through last season has to be thrilled with the burgundy and gold actually emitting a measurable pulse.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 4, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

problem is this shouldn't have gotten to the point of being an ugly win...this should have been a blowout...up 17-6 at the half...shouldn't have been as close as it ended...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

He's a BACKUP!!!! with a natural position of RIGHT tackle not left.jeez the guy had 3 bad plays in the game and was very good in the run game but you want our BACKUP tackle to have an all pro game,and if he dosn't he should be cut??

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 4, 2010 9:16 AM


Did you hear me say that? Hell, I'm the one who has to remind some up here that we're not gonna have 4 starting-caliber tackles here...I don't think it's too much to ask of my backup OT that they don't hold and don't rack up false starts. That's mental, and regardless of your spot on the depth chart that shouldn't happen.

It just baffles my mind that this guy gets a pass from you because "he's a backup" despite being a total disaster.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

beeps, when moss get ZERO passes thrown his way all game LONG, THATS PLAYCALLING...

sorry, when you ignore your best receiver thats on the coach...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I think labeling him as a 'total disaster' is a little harsh. I didn't think he did a bad job blocking the Eagle's speed rushers. But I agree, these penalties are inexcusable, just settle down and move when you are supposed to. He does seem to be getting better at LT, however I hope SilverBack comes back next week, GB's Matthews is a BEAST!

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

beep, all I know is that they score none points in the 2nd half...they threw the ball to Moss none times, and Cooley twice ALL GAME...thats not gonna get it done....again, when Banks/Sellers have more receptions than Cooley/Moss/Davis combined, thats a problem.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 9:21 AM
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Not to mention that stupid kid Torain didn't dive when he saw a defender closing in and the numbskull broke the tackle and scored. The kid is an absolute failure at the CP school of diving.

Just yanking your chain, Bean. I agree that there is a problem when the Redskins can't get the ball to the best hands on the field. I can't believe the Eagles could cover them all. The Eagles did what the Rams did and that is dictate what the offense could run. It seems like Shanny's patented response to eight-defenders-in-the-box is to go maximum protection. For once, I would like to see them go four wides and the shotgun. If you line up Banks, Armstrong, Moss, Galloway and make Sellers the sole back, you could probably allow McNabb to make a few artillery style lobs down field. It only takes one of those to connect before a team will think twice about bringing that eight man stuff. Incidentally, I saw Cooley line up in the backfield a few times yesterday. He took a screen pass on one of those. I like.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 4, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 4, 2010 9:16 AM


It just baffles my mind that this guy gets a pass from you because "he's a backup" despite being a total disaster.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 9:31 AM

Hey, brownwood, lighten up on Jumbo, would you? He's not a regular, he's a backup.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Morning folks.

I'm going to continue to gloat over my winning prediction for the Redskins. It was a similar feeling I had the days before the Dallas game. Now, for my game analysis:

Despite the stat sheet, DM5 had a good game. It was really a tale of two halves for him though. He went 6/8 with 115 yards, 1 TD, and an almost perfect 156.3 rat. In the 2nd, he went 2/11 with 10 yards and 1 INT for a hilariously low (but not zero) 1.7 rat. His INT was really, really bad, but he did have major contributions running for ball for first downs, but rushing isn't the focus for a QB (unless you're Vick of course). The great sign, however, is that Donovan won a close game even while passing less than 20 times.

The O-line showed up for a complete game. Both rush and pass blocking looked great. DM5 was sacked only once. The only problem: SH74. I counted at least 3 penalties on him including a crucial red zone 3rd down. To Heyer's credit, however, he did have a great seal-in block for RT46's 12-yard scamper, but I look forward to Trent's return.

The Redskins need a RB by committee. CP looked great, but years under Gibbs' power running have taken a bruising toll on CP. Despite the toll (and the criticism), he can still run and his blocking is still valuable. RT46 hits the hole hard. He's hungry, and he wants the ball. P-T has arrived.

Receivers are still lacking. CC47 was solid as always. If AA13 keeps his feet, that's 2 TD passes for DM5, but it's good that we can win without relying too heavily on SM89.

Where was this defense the last two weeks? They were fantastic! It looked like the game plan for the D-line was not to over-pursue Vick, so it didn't look like there was much QB pressure. LA97 was an improvement over AC99 (CONTAINMENT!). AH92 had a good game: he made a big 3rd down stop by single-handedly clogging up that nose and eating McCoy, and he drew a hold on that Vick injury-scamper.

So much for our inferior secondary. They shut down everyone; however, CR22 REALLY needs to get rid of those bricks he calls hands. Those underneath check-downs and screens were frustrating, but it ultimately prevented the big play. The Eagles have had more time of possession, but for a team that relies heavily on the big play/quick strike, that is a good sign. It's almost counter-intuitive to think that winning time of possession works against the Eagles. The Eagles offense was clearly frustrated by staying on the field for too long without scoring quickly.

Lastly but briefly, Andy Reid's lack of awareness and poor clock management unravels the Eagles again. The ending of the 1st half was HUGE.

Great victory. Green Bay next Sunday. Packers are going to be tough.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 4, 2010 9:29 AM

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 4, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

problem is this shouldn't have gotten to the point of being an ugly win...this should have been a blowout...up 17-6 at the half...shouldn't have been as close as it ended...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 9:31 AM


Greg, in 2011 I'll be 100% with you on that. In Week 4 of 2010, I'm taking wins however they come. Like I said, style points are out the window in NFC East games...just get the win and emphasize the correction of mistakes later.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Well for the first time this season the skins aren't being shown here in Bmore...so guess I'll be hitting the local pub...damn ravens...

This is what is being televised up here on Fox instead of our beloved redskins --

Bats (TV14) Grisly deaths caused by unexplained bat attacks bring a doctor to a small town where, aided by the local sheriff, she must stop them before they kill again.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

It just baffles my mind that this guy gets a pass from you because "he's a backup" despite being a total disaster.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse


He doesn't get a pass from me,or the other people who feels he did a decent job yesterday..

I just don't agree that a backup who plays both tackle positions should be cut because of 2 false start penalties..And as far as the holding call,incase you forgot they can call holding on every play on every lineman in the league..

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 4, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

beeps, when moss get ZERO passes thrown his way all game LONG, THATS PLAYCALLING...

sorry, when you ignore your best receiver thats on the coach...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 9:35 AM

How many times was he open that they didn't throw to him? If he was open and they didn't throw it to him, that's on the QB. If he wasn't open, that's on the Eagles defense.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

"....only reason the skins can't get rid of Heyer is that we don't have a better option for backup tackle right now."

There's a weird disconnect going on here.

One minute, folks are celebrating an improved running game, then hating SHeyer the next.

Maybe they didn't notice the improved running game consisted of a lot of running plays to the left side of the offense--where Heyer played.

KoryL and SHeyer--our left side until TWilliams returned--made for a fine pair yesterday.

Used to be starting left guard DDockery was sitting on the sidelines wondering, "What 'bout me???"

The left side wass the run-side with SHeyer anchoring it (and did he give up a sack to Trent Cole, BTW?).

Maybe what Heyer is, is a 'zone-blocking' left tackle, and not a 'power-0' right tackle.

He is not the best tackle on the team, but after 4 years as a redskin, it seems the team has finally found a scheme that fits what he does best.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

"winning ugly" is almost every game in the NFL nowadays. there are to many teams and the talent pool is not big enough to fill the rosters with quality players. the mistakes made in these games are a combination of the talent and game plans that are to complicated for these athletes to digest.

Posted by: hessone | October 4, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

The talent pool is thin because too many schools don't run a system that transitions into the NFL style offence.

Back in the day when there was less variety in the types of offences you had more of a rookie talent pool.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 4, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

just get the win and emphasize the correction of mistakes later.

hear you brown, however thats EXACTLY what I'm talking about...correcting the mistakes...hot first half on offense, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the 2nd half...that would be the Houston game, the Rams game, and this game...at some point they need to take the training wheels off...they need to start having a counter move, to the defense adjusting...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to check out some other blogs. I think I'll look at the Saints blog, or maybe the Falcons. I just want to know if they still sound suicidal after winning a game and being in first place in their division.

Jesus! You guys kill me.

WE WON. 1st place in the East. Running game was good against a great defense. Defense was great against a good offense.

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 4, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse


Nah he should be cut!!!

2 false starts and a holding far out weigh all the facts that you just pointed out..


Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 4, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

16 runs for 79 yds on the LEFT side, 10 runs for 62 yds on the RIGHT side. 8 for 23 yds up the middle.

Ive always hated Heyer and will be happy when TW returns, but in all honesty his play this year while spotty at times and filled with penalties has been good for a backup.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 4, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

hot first half on offense, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the 2nd half...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 9:44 AM

You keep ignoring the elephant in the room. McNabb was 6 of 8 in the first half. He was 2 of 11 in the second half. What does that have to do with playcalling or "correcting the mistakes"? You can't sustain drives with a QB who hits two passes of 11. The 2 of 11 was not about "the defense adjusting." It was about McNabb adjusting and not in a good way.

"Take the training wheels off." What a load.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

That end around to Banks in the Red Zone was a terrible call. It was an ego call - a coach trying to be a genius instead of playing smart and simple football and letting the players pound it home.

Posted by: CommieX | October 4, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Credit where credit due - Safeties really supported the Corners well. See that receiver pull up short on the last Philly drive? That's respect.

much respect.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 4, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

"...hot first half on offense, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the 2nd half...that would be the Houston game, the Rams game, and this game..."

Teams are pressing the redskin receivers and 'run blitzing' the edges of the redskin offensive line to take away the 'zone-stretch play' and effecti McNabb on the bootleg/rollout.

What's the counter?: You audible to 'max protect' and throw a mid range/deep ball to force the secondary to give up the pressure and blitxing.

Thing is, we don't have a receiver dynamic enough to shake press coverage and make a great catch or two in tight coverage the way A Johnson did against us two weeks ago.

When we get that guy, things will change.

And until we do, they won't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Ryan Torain bowling over Quentin Mikell= A thing of beauty.

If Torain, Armstrong,etc. start in place of Portis and Galloway, how would that adjust our average age?

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 4, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I just don't agree that a backup who plays both tackle positions should be cut because of 2 false start penalties..And as far as the holding call,incase you forgot they can call holding on every play on every lineman in the league..

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 4, 2010 9:41 AM


He plays both tackle spots, but doesn't play them well. Let's give him a round of applause. That's like giving Adam Archuleta props for being able to play both safety spots. Hell, I'd almost rather see Lo Alexander get a shot at tackle over Heyer.

And I don't know how many games you've seen, but dude has waaay more than 2 penalties. He killed us in the Rams game with a late hold and did the same sh*t at the end of the Texans game. I don't know how many times dude has to screw up before he solidifies once and for all he can't play.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

That what a huge win for us, & to be 2-0 in the division is a remarkable improvement from last year! However, we have got to do something about this second half ineptitude! For the second week in a row we scored no points in the second half! We can't keep playing Russian roulette like this & allowing teams to hang around, & potentially steal these games. We really should be 3-1 right now, but could easily be 0-4. Get it together skins, we still have a lot of work to do! Hail 2 the Redskins!!!!!

P.S. Carlos I'm tired of seeing you drop these easy inteceptions. You are a good cover corner, but you have to start catching these "gimmie" interceptions. That game should have never came down to that last pass.

Posted by: TheRealAmericasTeam | October 4, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Kudos for Haslett to mimicking the cowgrilz game plan from last year. Kudos to tthe players for executing that game plan. It was good to see an aggressively hard hitting defense. Now for Green Bay, do the Skins have players to mimic what the Bears were able to do to slow down that offense. The Packers Oline is beatable

Posted by: TWISI | October 4, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse


Just yanking your chain, Bean.

How about little BBanks on the punt return, didn't see him dive to "protect the ball" ? After watching tons of football yesterday, I didn't see anyone give up on running the ball, including CP. I think the message was delivered by coaches that you run until you are tackled, just like you're taught from pee wee on up. Dive my ass !

Posted by: hessone | October 4, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"....only reason the skins can't get rid of Heyer is that we don't have a better option for backup tackle right now."


There's a weird disconnect going on here.

One minute, folks are celebrating an improved running game, then hating SHeyer the next.

Maybe they didn't notice the improved running game consisted of a lot of running plays to the left side of the offense--where Heyer played.

KoryL and SHeyer--our left side until TWilliams returned--made for a fine pair yesterday.

Used to be starting left guard DDockery was sitting on the sidelines wondering, "What 'bout me???"

The left side wass the run-side with SHeyer anchoring it (and did he give up a sack to Trent Cole, BTW?).

Maybe what Heyer is, is a 'zone-blocking' left tackle, and not a 'power-0' right tackle.

He is not the best tackle on the team, but after 4 years as a redskin, it seems the team has finally found a scheme that fits what he does best.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 9:41 AM
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Well said, Moe. The guy did okay in the run game and at least the QB didn't get sacked because of anything he did. I definitely want Williams back, but Heyer was adequate yesterday. Having said that, the Redskins would be fools not to kick the tires of a few offensive tackles out there. The chances are very slim that both tackles will stay healthy for the remainder of the season, and "adequate" from a backup tackle is something that could be upgraded.

Now, the punter stunk up the joint, Roydell Williams can't buy a catch, depth is needed at running back, and I am very unimpressed with Buchanan. If the team wants to fix a few other personnel issues, those wouldn't be bad places to look.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 4, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but Commie - now opposing teams will have to spend time on that game tape.

Trick plays don't have to work - you just have to run a few of 'em.

Now, if that's the only way you score [last year's punter-as-qb phase], then you're REALLY in trouble.

We won with our gameplan. That's a huge deal, actually. As ugly as it was, it wasn't luck - it was planned.

Our last drive actually ate clock. Brilliant.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 4, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Anyone defending Heyer is clueless as to what this guy really is. Yeah he can run block (when he's not getting called for holding, clipping, or a false start), but what NFL offensive linemen CAN'T run block?

Heyer in two starts has been penalized SIX times. Not only is that a lot, but this bum gets them at THE most inopportune times. He excels at KILLING the drive ESPECIALLY in the red zone!

Anyone defending Heyer needs to get their brain checked out. He is most definitely NOT a starter, and he's not even a capable backup. He's a useless undrafted rookie FA signee.

"I wouldn't give the bum a mop job."

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Just yanking your chain, Bean.

How about little BBanks on the punt return, didn't see him dive to "protect the ball" ? After watching tons of football yesterday, I didn't see anyone give up on running the ball, including CP. I think the message was delivered by coaches that you run until you are tackled, just like you're taught from pee wee on up. Dive my ass !

Posted by: hessone | October 4, 2010 9:57 AM
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Yes, but Portis is still running with his head down. Someone on here said they thought this might be because he's afraid of getting another concussion, but whatever the case, a running back needs to run with his head up so he can see the holes and keep from being driven into the ground. I don't want to see CP out next week because of the experience and pass blocking he brings, but it might actually be a good thing for the running game if CP sits next week.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 4, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

don't know how many times dude has to screw up before he solidifies once and for all he can't play.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse


I guess I'll defer to the Shannahans on weather he can or can not play...enjoy the Lavar and Dukes show.I'm sure you're a fan,you guys seem to think alike.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 4, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

One of my loudest cheers yesterday was philly's delay of game...that was huge. I was lol at Reid's face.

And this may have been already discussed last night...but for the jerkoffs in the booth to say AH did nothing all day...that was just dumb.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Anyone defending Heyer is clueless as to what this guy really is. Yeah he can run block (when he's not getting called for holding, clipping, or a false start), but what NFL offensive linemen CAN'T run block?

Heyer in two starts has been penalized SIX times. Not only is that a lot, but this bum gets them at THE most inopportune times. He excels at KILLING the drive ESPECIALLY in the red zone!

Anyone defending Heyer needs to get their brain checked out. He is most definitely NOT a starter, and he's not even a capable backup. He's a useless undrafted rookie FA signee.

"I wouldn't give the bum a mop job."

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2010 10:03 AM
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Okay, Red, you've once again let us know how you feel, but tell me, who would you start in his place? You want to activate Selvish Capers or Will Robinson from the practice squad? Those guys probably won't generate the penalties, but, from what we saw in the preseason, they cannot block, either. I think all of you need to go back and look at the game films from last year so you can have your memories refreshed as to how bad and offensive line can be. Heyer didn't do badly yesterday. He's not Chris Samuels, but neither is Trent Williams.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 4, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

"See that receiver pull up short on the last Philly drive?"

did see that. it was sweet.

can you imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth here had avante made that catch? omg.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | October 4, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Consign on Heyer - he did great, penalties & gaffes not withstanding.

Love running left side, even after Samuels is gone...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 4, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth needs to be starting. He collapses the pocket, draws double teams and holding penalties. Even if we don't get a sack those holding penalties knock them back 10 yards.

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 4, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Red, thanks for getting the exact number of penalties on Heyer...I couldn't find 'em but I knew it was a lot. Apparently, that doesn't mean anything to jumbo because Heyer is a backup and penalties against backups don't count in his mind...

jumbo...agree to disagree. Comparing me to LaVar is laughable because he hates EVERYTHING about the Redskins and all I'm saying is that the backup tackle with 6 crippling penalties in 2 games needs to be out. So you can enjoy listening to Larry Michael and give fellatio to all things burgundy and gold, regardless of whether it was good or not.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

& since you brought it up, RSH, For everyone raggin' CP for 1) going to the ground on the 27yd run and 2) max-protecting the ball even when no one else is around, may I point you to:

1) Ron Mexico's broken ribs
AND
2) Chicago's ball strip inside the 5

With CPo's proper technique, neither of these would have happened.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 4, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse


what is the ratio of fellatio to cunnilingus ?

Posted by: hessone | October 4, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Anyone defending Heyer needs to get their brain checked out.

Trent Williams, the redskins' starting left tackle, was hurt to where he couldn't play yesterday or the week before.

So, submit the name of the back up tackle(s) who should've played if you're so down on SHeyer, the 'bum' who also did not give up a sack to Trent Cole:


(INSERT name(s) here):
______________________________________________________________________________________

No one is defending SHeyer, btw.

We're just saying that for the past two weeks, the team has been able to count on him, despite his obvious deficiences.

And can you be just as certain we can count on the replacements for him you've offered in the space above?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

what is the ratio of fellatio to cunnilingus ?

Posted by: hessone | October 4, 2010 10:15 AM

You could ask Brian Burke...it could be his post of the week.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

C'mon , Commie, let the coach run the bourgeois decadence that you be so crave..Coach red my mind about putting a WR in the backfield (I suggested Austin), he must have seen something when Banks acted as Vick in practice..Banks presence sure makes the other team think twice..Agreed that the offense goes sour at halftime, Kyle needs to seriously re-assess whats the haps there..

Posted by: frak | October 4, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

That end around to Banks in the Red Zone was a terrible call. It was an ego call - a coach trying to be a genius instead of playing smart and simple football and letting the players pound it home.

Posted by: CommieX | October 4, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Yet if it worked you would be up here calling the play ingenius! It was a change of pace and meant to catch them offguard, I don't mind the call.

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Even if we don't get a sack those holding penalties knock them back 10 yards.

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 4, 2010 10:09 AM

Yep...and that was hold was a 33 yard penalty...and thwarted a possible touchdown. AH would have had him without that hold.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

There's a weird disconnect going on here.

One minute, folks are celebrating an improved running game, then hating SHeyer the next.


NO, no disconnect at all. If anything there's this misconception that Heyer is SOLELY, or in large part responsible for the improved running game over the last two weeks.


I, after only two games thought that Portis may have been done, turns out I was wrong (But not entirely, see below). It appears the zone scheme takes some time to gel. Linemen have to figure out appropriate angles and have to get a feel for each others quickness and tendencies when the play is being developed. So Heyer, or no Heyer (praying to the Gods for the latter) the run game was going to get on pace anyway.

Now it might regress a little for a game or two when TWill comes back, but I expect the run game to be in full form by week 6.

Know why? Because everything Heyer can do, Trent Williams can do waaaaaaaaaay better.

(Save for the penalties 'cause can't no one absolutely KILL a drive like Heyer can)

On a side note: Someone mentioned that he looks like he's not interested -- I think Portis now knows that his best days are truly behind him. And that this is his last hurrah in a 'skins uniform, or maybe the NFL period as a featured back. Remember: The player is always the last one to know

Still haven't figured out who was/is responsible for the abysmal running game: Portis, Torain, or the offensive line, but we should see over the next few weeks.

The offensive line played well yesterday. Heyer and his boneheadedness not withstanding.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Dunno Hess, how much did you pay her [him??]

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 4, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

LOL, i never said that the penalties don't or shouldn't count,or that he shouldn't be critisized for them.

But you said that the man should be CUT becase of them,and completly ignoring the good play for MOST of the game..

And I would like to point out.....

Regular Season Stats
Career Offensive Line Stats
Year Team G GS Pen Yds False Start Holding Sacks Allwd Yds
2007 Was 12 5 3 20 1 1 4.50 24.00
2008 Was 9 7 6 44 3 1 3.00 16.50
2009 Was 16 16 7 50 4 3 9.00 49.50
2010 Was 4 2 6 45 3 3 1.00 3.00
Totals 41 30 22 159 11 8 17.50 93.00

That's 6 penalties in 4 games,not 6 in 2 games,but don't let FACTS get in the way of yours and red's OPINION...

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 4, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Yet if it worked you would be up here calling the play ingenius! It was a change of pace and meant to catch them offguard, I don't mind the call.

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 10:22 AM

I didn't mind trying him out down there once...but twice? Lots of peeps packed down there in the red zone.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

& since you brought it up, RSH, For everyone raggin' CP for 1) going to the ground on the 27yd run and 2) max-protecting the ball even when no one else is around, may I point you to:

1) Ron Mexico's broken ribs
AND
2) Chicago's ball strip inside the 5

With CPo's proper technique, neither of these would have happened.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 4, 2010 10:13 AM
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The thing about this whole CP thing with protecting the ball is where do you draw the line? My point was, we won the game yesterday because Torain kept his eyes forward and finished the run. It led to a broken tackle and he scored the touchdown, but under CP rules, he should have taken a dive to protect the ball before the safety initiated contact.

So, help me figure this out: when is it okay to take a dive? If the answer is, only when you feel like the defenders are going to strip the ball, then you're not going to make many yards in the NFL because every defender is taught to strip the ball. If the answer is, only when there are more than a few defenders around; then, again, you're going to be taking a lot of dives whenever a team lines up in zone coverage. You can say that CP did the right thing all you want, but I not so humbly disagree, because running backs should run with their eyes up, should protect the ball, always keep their legs churning and always finish off the run.

BTW, the next time you think you are stuck on this issue, ask yourself, "what would Riggo do"? That guy made a living as running back who looked to make contact, not avoid it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 4, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

C'mon Moe...be real, dude. Heyer didn't stonewall Cole 1-on-1, dude we getting help from the TE all day. Most of the big runs I saw came from 2 TE sets, so let's not act like Trent Cole was stranded on Heyer Island or some sh*t...

Look, I would LOVE to be wrong on Heyer and dude play like a valuable reserve/decent starter. But just like some up here didn't want Banks to play because of fumbles, or Portis to play because of the inability to finish long runs, or Carter because he can't play in space, I don't wanna see Heyer play because he's a poor man's Alex Barron. Spin it how you want, that's not even close to ridiculous.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

"That end around to Banks in the Red Zone was a terrible call."

Gotta question:

Does BBanks handling punt return and Kick return duties kinda, sorta, maybe make DTThomas expendable, especially seeing how dude has yet to make a mark as a receiver this year?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

One of my loudest cheers yesterday was philly's delay of game...that was huge. I was lol at Reid's face.

And this may have been already discussed last night...but for the jerkoffs in the booth to say AH did nothing all day...that was just dumb.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

What's funny is when Philly got called for that delay of game before the half and they had to settle for the FG, Aikman completely jumped to complusions and said not only in this game but so far in all the games all the refs have not done a good job at clock or game management. He quickly changed his tune when Mike Pereira came on and told them it's up to the coaches to get the players on the field on time. I hate when Joe Buck and Aikman get our games, they absolutely hate when we win, can't stand it!!! We get them again next week!

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

What does Heyer's drive killing penalties have to do with offensive line depth?!?!?!? So because of lack of depth, we're suppose to blame a "Holding. #74, offense" call on Cerrato, Snyder, Shanahan, Allen, or the offensive line coach? No he's the one OUT THERE drawing penalties, so therefor I blame HEYER.

Look, I get that they don't have other options at tackle, but is that suppose to make me feel at ease when that gump takes the field?

Please, spare the "who would you put in instead"? I know they don't have other options at tackle on the roster, but that doesn't excuse SIX penalties in TWO starts (Three false starts, three holding penalties)

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8526&team=28


Excuse if I just don't shrug and excuse drive killing penalties regardless of depth. Why aren't we allowed to hold HIM accountable? I mean, he is NFL professional offensive linemen or isn't he?

Know what? Never mind. that be one of the rhetorical joints. Answers not needed...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

brown

"Heyer didn't stonewall Cole 1-on-1, dude we getting help from the TE all day."


Nobody here is saying that SHeyer is Anthony Munoz.

(Memba him?)

We're just saying or requesting that folks submit the name of the guy who, in the event of injury to TW, should play over Heyer.

We used to complain about not having depth.

But once an adequate depth player comes in and plays, we complain that he's not as good as a starter.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

brown

"Heyer didn't stonewall Cole 1-on-1, dude we getting help from the TE all day."


Nobody here is saying that SHeyer is Anthony Munoz.

(Memba him?)

We're just saying or requesting that folks submit the name of the guy who, in the event of injury to TW, should play over Heyer.

We used to complain about not having depth.

But once an adequate depth player comes in and plays, we complain that he's not as good as a starter.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

We get them again next week!

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 10:34 AM

Great...well I'll likely be out watching the game...so won't have to listen to those f-nuts!

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

That's 6 penalties in 4 games,not 6 in 2 games,but don't let FACTS get in the way of yours and red's OPINION...

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 4, 2010 10:26 AM


Wow...6 penalties in 4 games instead of just two. Let me know when the parade starts.

Fred Davis wiffs on a block that helped cost us the Texans game and half the blog wants him drawn and quartered. Heyer picks up holding penalties on TWO potential game-winning drives in as many weeks and he gets a pat on the ass and an "atta boy". Simply stunning...

Dude has more penalties than games played. Just let that sink in for a minute...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Skins being outscored 52-13 in 2nd half this year.

That won't keep us at .500.

Need to stop going into conservative shell.


Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I think this comment, as well as saying "DeAngelo Hall, Carlos Rogers limit Eagles' deep threats" both miss the point. We went conservative on offense because they had no Vick and we had a 2 score lead.

Also, to say Hall/Rogers shut down Jackson isn't exactly true. They made him a nonfactor and for that you have to give the corners some of the credit for sure. But Kolb didn't play well - we shoulda had 3 INTs- and our D-line didn't let him get comfortable back there or give him time to go deep. Team effort all around.

I do agree in general that we need to improve our 2nd half offensive execution, but I have no problem with our 2nd half strategy in this game.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 4, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

You know what I hate?These punkass imposter fans at work who said all last week "Vick gon do this,Vick gon do that,how we gon stop Jackson,Cole gon have a field day".Yet they show up today with"We pulled it out at the end".These muthaf*ckas jump in and out more than double dutch.

Posted by: smittdiddy | October 4, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

A win is always great, but i have to question some of the play calling yesterday. Once we started getting the running game going, there should of been more play action passes called. I counted two from the beginning of the 2nd quarter to the end of the game. That is the reason Cooley and Moss did not get more receptions. The Play action will obviously freeze the linebackers for a moment to allow them to get into space. Also those two plays to Banks in the Redzone and repeating the same play on the penalty at the end of the game. That's twice KS has done that. The players played hard and that was what won the game for the Skin's, not the play calling.

Posted by: oldtimer4 | October 4, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

lmg, playing not to lose? You have no problem with that?? They were 1 Jason Avant drop in the end zone from losing that game...and you have no problem with that??

I'd rather they were scoring EVERY chance they could instead of letting the other team think it has a chance....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Red - You didn't hear Trent Cole's name during the game against a backup LT is all that matters. Heyer's penalties didn't affect the game more or less compared with every other penalty/decision/injury that happened related to the game. We won with our back up LT playing. You couldn't say that last year......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 4, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

That's 6 penalties in 4 games,not 6 in 2 games,but don't let FACTS get in the way of yours and red's OPINION...

Posted by: jumbo5383


Well, don't let what I actually SAID get in your way of trying to validate your lame ass argument.

I said "In two starts". That means STARTS, you know that cool graphic they show at the beginning of the game with the STARTERS faces on it?


So it stands: SIX penalties in TWO starts.

And just in case you didn't know. While he maybe listed as playing in four games, those are the games that he was active. He may have not or may have got on the field in the first two games... maybe even played a little bit on the line, but he did not START. And that was the point I was making, genius. SIX penalties in TWO starts is inexcusable. Accept it and deal with it!

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I should follow Red's lead and not even entertain this, but here ya go Moe and jumbo...available tackles that IMO are better than Stephon Heyer:

Levi Jones
Ephraim Salaam
Brandon Gorin
Jon Jansen

Just threw in the last one to see if you're paying attention...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 4, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: stevek20147 | October 4, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins 2nd half offense couldn't possibly have been more lackluster.

We were begging the Eagles to take this game. Begging.

Thankfully, Kolb and Company didn't oblige.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 4, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

For once, I would like to see them go four wides and the shotgun. If you line up Banks, Armstrong, Moss, Galloway and make Sellers the sole back, you could probably allow McNabb to make a few artillery style lobs down field.
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Makes perfect sense to take out CP who is probably the best blocking RB in the game for Sellers who consistently whiffs on blocks.

Posted by: murphyz703 | October 4, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The difference is maturity, RSH. There is a time to go down & a time to finish the run. There's plenty of evidence where CP finishes the run (see earlier TD runs this season - taking huge hits to the head), but doing it for points. A few extra meaningless yards aren't worth it. You think Philly wants Vick back? I do.

As far as ball protection - erring on the side of caution is always better. Ask Byner or Early Portis about their fumble trouble.

I fully agree that CPo is hurt too much. And I love that Torrain had success. I have no problem w/ him taking over for now.

I know everyone wants this year's Tomlinson story, but seriously...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 4, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

There was something else I liked about the game yesterday other than the hard-hitting play from the Redskins. It was the fact that they didn't appear to be overly celebrating after they made a play. Also, they commit any personal-foul penalties. I like to see these things as they indicate, to me at least, the Redskins are becoming a more disciplined team.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 4, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

For once, I would like to see them go four wides and the shotgun. If you line up Banks, Armstrong, Moss, Galloway and make Sellers the sole back, you could probably allow McNabb to make a few artillery style lobs down field.
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Makes perfect sense to take out CP who is probably the best blocking RB in the game for Sellers who consistently whiffs on blocks.

Posted by: murphyz703 | October 4, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse
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Also, I cant remember the last time we took so many shots deep. We've had more 20+ yard plays in the first 4 games then we've had since 91.

Posted by: murphyz703 | October 4, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Brandon Banks > Ted Koppel

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 4, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, meant "didn't commit".

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 4, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Ok i'm done with this
You guys can try to find a goat in a win all you want.The fact of the matter is we won a division game on the road with 2 backup linemen,we ran for 169yds.and gave up no sacks(Mcnabb running out of bounds is not on the o-line)there were no heros and shouldn't be any goats,so i'm happy with the win and look forward to kicking some cheesehead ass.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 4, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Heyer as the primary backup at tackle is a major problem for the Skins. Every game he commits penalties that are just inexcusable. I can't remember a game when he hasn't had a false start, and he seems to get holding calls more often than any other lineman on our time.

The sad thing is, these penalties are not his biggest problem. If you watch the way Heyer lines up, you can tell if the skins are going to run or pass just by looking at Heyer's feet. If it is a pass play, Heyer's outside foot will be placed much further back than where he places his foot on a running play. If I can see this on my TV, then surely defenses have noticed it in their film study. The sooner we can find a replacement for Heyer, the better!

Posted by: kaasmaster | October 4, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Haven't had a chance to comment on the game, so here are a few of my thoughts:

*Haynesworth played like an absolute monster. Easily the best player on the field for the Redskins. This is the man we expected for $100 million. Barely missed a sack on Kolb, would have had a sack on Vick if not for a hold, regularly collapsed the pocket on minimum rushes, batted down passes, he did it all.

*Portis + Torain. These guys were warriors. That's the way Portis needs to play every week. It's obvious he still has "it," he just needs to keep bringing it like he did this week on a daily basis. I know he got a few knocks, but that comes with the territory. And Torain looks like a keeper. Reminds me of what we've seen from Arian Foster out of Houston. Big and physical on most carries, shifty when he needs it, and just bruising. Loved the running game yesterday.

*Loved seeing Haslett mix it up. Rather than forcing the blitz, he sat back and forced McCoy to win the game alone. That wasn't happening yesterday.

*Told you Banks was going to be worth it in the return game.

*Heyer played the best game of his professional career yesterday. Yes he still had a few idiotic penalties, but he was a beast in the run game and held his own in protection against a dominant rusher. I'll take that out of a backup every week.

*McNabb's inaccuracy is not worrisome, IMO. It was crazy windy, wet, and cold out there. He made the plays when we needed it (Cooley TD and Armstrong bomb). The second half was ugly, though.

*The Skins played harder and more physical in general than the Eagles. Torain running over Mikell, LoZo destroying whoever it was on the ensuing return, Rodgers destroying a Philly receiver in the flat causing a fumble, Moore and Hall knocking Vick out of the game, Sellers knocking Samuel out of the game, etc.

Someone posted that the Skins were lucky Vick got knocked out. That wasn't luck. That was a result of the Skins being a harder team than the Eagles all game long. Very reminiscent of the current Ravens or Steelers, or old school NFC East hit-em-in-the-mouth style of play. That's very much a strategy, not a measure of luck.

*Kareem Moore is a keeper at FS. 2 turnovers forced in 2 games. And he put the hit on Vick in the open field. LoZo, Moore, and Haynesworth on the field make a big difference in this defense.

Posted by: psps23 | October 4, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

There was no containment of maclin and desean jackson. simple fact. kolb didnt pass to jackson when he was wide open what like 50 times? smh at kolbweb dickriders

Posted by: Kashmir | October 4, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

If Snyder threw a big bag of $ at Carlito, he's probably drop it...

Rodgers has no football awareness out on the field. He's like the jason campbell of cornerbacks. He can't tackle and contantly gets broken down by running backs in the open field. i can't wait till he's gone after this season.

Why can't brandon banks for devin play both ways and line up on the defense during the hail mary plays?

go skins!

Posted by: boricuabopper | October 4, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Rogers sounds like he needs to take 3rd grade grammar. I think he also needs to spend all of his off seasons practicing with the receivers until he can catch at least one out of ten balls that hit him in the hands. But, for a CB, he's sure one tough little guy. I don't know how we'd survive with Deion, err DeAngelo, playing the other side if we didn't have a tough core of safeties and Carlos to enforce the defensive backfield.

Posted by: zickzack | October 4, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I was disappointed actually to see DeAngelo Hall get an interception on that last play. He will no doubt take credit for making a great play, when he and the rest of the DBs were beaten on that play and it was just dumb luck that Avant did not hold on to that ball. That ball just dropped into Hall's hands - he made no play on it. Hopefully he won't embarass himself again with ridiculous comments about that play.

Posted by: AsstGM | October 4, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The next to last play was Eagles out of bounds @ the 30 yard line. Clock stops. It's at that point that a prepared defensive coaching staff understands: "last play coming up, Eagles must pass (hail Mary) to the end zone to win". Sooooo-you replace 5'10" Hall with 6'4" TE Davis,(+6" reach) 5'10" Westbrook with 6'3' TE Cooley(+5" reach). This is, if not basic football, basic math. Cooley and Davis are well suited to defend an obvious hail Mary situation. If you are only going to rush 2 at the end of the game, get your tall "hands" people in the end zone. This is a no brainer, but it is an insight to how poor/unprepared the defensive staff remains.


Posted by: MTalleyMon | October 4, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

SOOOOOOOO I guess i am the ONLY person in the dc area who thinks ROGERS IS COMPLETE GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have seen hugggee flaws and inconsistency in his game since DAY ONE, and he has yet to overcome them! for YEARS NOW we've sat back and watched this guy get burtn on hugeeeeeee 3 &10, 3rd &15, 4& 10 plays as well as drop Interception after interception, yet they keep this clown around!! smh I just dont get it. There are plenty of capable cb's coming out of college EVERY YEAR..whether they are top prospects or not, who know the FUNDAMENTALS of the position and could execute their role wayyyyyy better!!

I don't know about you all...but i am SICK AND TIRED of watching this guy Sunday after Sunday, just blow assignments and drop more balls than a tea bagging convention!!!!!!!!!

You can have all the athleticism in the world.....but if you can't make plays, there's a million and one other guys out there who can!! I have no clue why the redskins believe he's their only hope!!!!

Posted by: Raymodmv80 | October 4, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

If Carlos Rogers knew how to catch a football, we may have won a few over the last couple years. He is a great player, but he dropped another crucial one yesterday.

Posted by: chickenshackrob1 | October 4, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Hall and Rogers didn't limit the Eagles deep threats. Kolb did. Jackson & Maclin were open down field in the 2nd half and Kolb didn't hit them. If Vick was in the game, the Eagles would have won, Desean & Maclin would have had better stats yesterday. The Skins' secondary is still suspect.

Posted by: schrot | October 4, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I just don't agree that a backup who plays both tackle positions should be cut because of 2 false start penalties..And as far as the holding call,incase you forgot they can call holding on every play on every lineman in the league..

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 4, 2010 9:41 AM

heyer was a starter last season on the right side until samuels went down in the tampa bay game. as for the holding calls, it's not just a "few" calls....this azzho!e gets a holding call at the worst possible moment in every game he's played. he's the most penalized lineman on the team. jason campbell may not have been the best qb we've had but if you could ask him how it felt having heyer protect his blindside, campbell would probaby chit himself.

Posted by: charronegro1971 | October 4, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

"We locked up them guys down the field, and they their main two targets," Rogers said. "To eliminate them guys ... we know that was going to be a big thing."

Seriously, now, do NFL players who talk like this REALLY have college degrees?

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | October 4, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

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