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Posted at 11:58 PM ET, 01/30/2011

DeAngelo Hall is Pro Bowl MVP; NFC wins, 55-41

By David Larimer

Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall earned most valuable player honors at Sunday's Pro Bowl, a 55-41 victory by the NFC. Hall had an interception, returned a fumble 34 yards for a touchdown and was credited with six solo tackles.

The Redskins' Brian Orakpo had seven total tackles, and his teammate and fellow linebacker London Fletcher added six.

The Associated Press game story can be found here, and the box score is here.

By David Larimer  | January 30, 2011; 11:58 PM ET
Categories:  Brian Orakpo, DeAngelo Hall, London Fletcher  
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Comments

This clearly adds to our offseason glory.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 31, 2011 12:19 AM | Report abuse

you are a classy man mr. hall. what a terrible game this was to watch.

Posted by: TheLandshark | January 31, 2011 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Hey, when you can hold your opponent to 41 pts, it's a no-brainer your MVP comes from the defensive side of the ball.

And if we could get Kyle's offense to average 55 points a game, I gotta think people would begin to give our 31st ranked defense a little slack.

DHall... 2010 Redskin MVP. No Doubt. Without his great year, we have the same record as we did under Zorn and Bingo Caller.

That's actually a pretty discouraging thought. Just disregard that.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 31, 2011 1:25 AM | Report abuse

D HALL MVP! Top 3 tacklers on the NFC were all Redskins! Offseason champions!!!

Posted by: bosshog7169 | January 31, 2011 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Some good Redskins news for a change.

Posted by: scg1055 | January 31, 2011 2:10 AM | Report abuse

I still don't like him. Haynesworth is officially the biggest dooshebag on the team but Hall is a close second.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | January 31, 2011 2:37 AM | Report abuse

They should trade him now that his value couldn't be higher. Hall is a gambler and would much rather have a corner who is more consistent. Still, hats off to the guy to have a big game.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 31, 2011 2:59 AM | Report abuse

As much as I would love to bask in the thought of the top three tacklers in the NFC all being Redskins, the idea of a defensive player being named MVP of a game in which your opponent scored 41 points baffles me. But nonetheless, I’m not complaining. Orakpo, Fletcher, and Hall each had twice as many tackles as the next best guy on the NFC roster, regardless of our 31st ranked defense. That being said, my biggest issue came at the end of this game. I cannot for the life of me comprehend why FOX couldn’t stick around long enough for the MVP trophy and an interview as has happened in years prior? And why didn’t NFL Network “pick up the ball” and show it? All in all, Fletcher, Orakpo, and Hall were the best defensive players in the NFC today. That’s pretty legit.

Posted by: bmac301 | January 31, 2011 4:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow...DHall lands MVP of the Pro-Bowl. Not bad for a guy who didn't deserve the nod to begin with...(eye roll)

Seriously...this is an all-star game. Just like in the NBA, you're not going to get guys going at it like a damn playoff game. This game more than any other is about stats and looking good, fundamental football be damned.

It's the perfect setup for a guy like DHall.

I don't care what the score was...dude had a monster individual performance. That's why he was the MVP. The guy with the best stat line on the team that wins is the guy that gets the hardware. It's really not a difficult concept...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 5:22 AM | Report abuse

They should trade him now that his value couldn't be higher. Hall is a gambler and would much rather have a corner who is more consistent. Still, hats off to the guy to have a big game.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 31, 2011 2:59 AM


Yup. Good call. That 4th round pick is going to be sooo much better, especially when you consider we'd be going into 2011 starting Barnes and Westbrook at CB.

Hell, why stop at DHall? Imagine the bounty we'd get for Orakpo or Landry!

Here's an idea: instead of trading away guys that step up and play well, how about keeping them and hoping they develop into consistent performers for us? I mean, isn't that what Tampa and Green Bay do?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 5:30 AM | Report abuse

They should trade him now that his value couldn't be higher. Hall is a gambler and would much rather have a corner who is more consistent. Still, hats off to the guy to have a big game.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 31, 2011 2:59 AM

Yup. Good call. That 4th round pick is going to be sooo much better, especially when you consider we'd be going into 2011 starting Barnes and Westbrook at CB.

Hell, why stop at DHall? Imagine the bounty we'd get for Orakpo or Landry!

Here's an idea: instead of trading away guys that step up and play well, how about keeping them and hoping they develop into consistent performers for us? I mean, isn't that what Tampa and Green Bay do?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 5:30 AM
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I've got a better idea: why don't we trade all of the guys who put themselves before the team, and go get some guys who understand the team concept? I don't dispute that D. Hall is a gifted athlete but his gambling for interceptions has burned the Redskins more than a few times.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 31, 2011 5:43 AM | Report abuse

I've got a better idea: why don't we trade all of the guys who put themselves before the team, and go get some guys who understand the team concept? I don't dispute that D. Hall is a gifted athlete but his gambling for interceptions has burned the Redskins more than a few times.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 31, 2011 5:43 AM


How is that putting himself before the team? If DHall gets a pick 6, that's good for everyone. The mistake so many up here make is in thinking that DHall is a shutdown CB...he's not. Never has been. He's a guy who's a solid starter with playmaking ability. Expecting any more of him is on you, not him.

With that in mind, his value comes in his propensity to take the football away. If he's not gambling on picks, he's virtually worthless.

No matter how you slice it, he's far and away our best CB. Trading him away for a mid-round pick just isn't good business unless you know for a fact we can get Patrick Peterson at #10. We have precious few playmakers, and like it or not DHall is one of them. He's got way more value here than he does anywhere else.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 6:07 AM | Report abuse

D. Hall: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 31, 2011 6:09 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else hear the announcer say that D. Hall wasn't originally selected for the pro bowl? He was, in fact, the only Redskin selected when the roster was announced, Fletch and Orakpo were the ones added later.
Anyway, congrats to D.Hall. He's had 2 of the best individual performances by a Redskin all season... even if one of them was in a meaningless all star game.

Posted by: unquiltom | January 31, 2011 6:09 AM | Report abuse

How is that putting himself before the team? If DHall gets a pick 6, that's good for everyone. The mistake so many up here make is in thinking that DHall is a shutdown CB...he's not. Never has been. He's a guy who's a solid starter with playmaking ability. Expecting any more of him is on you, not him.

With that in mind, his value comes in his propensity to take the football away. If he's not gambling on picks, he's virtually worthless.

No matter how you slice it, he's far and away our best CB. Trading him away for a mid-round pick just isn't good business unless you know for a fact we can get Patrick Peterson at #10. We have precious few playmakers, and like it or not DHall is one of them. He's got way more value here than he does anywhere else.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 6:07 AM
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Look, I don't hate the guy like some on this blog do, but he's not the prototypical corner for this defense. The problem with players that are only out to make stats for themselves is it makes the team look bad when they miss, but it only makes them look good if they succeed. To me, Hall's gambling for interceptions is no different than Haynesworth not staying in his lane because he thinks he can make a big play. The coach has to rely on his players to be where they are supposed to be on every single play. Hall is not that kind of player. Back when Blache was here, he made some strong comments about "players will stop free-lancing". I think there were two guys he had in mind when he said that...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 31, 2011 6:28 AM | Report abuse


dhall's MVP award should make p1 a happy guy today.

if the redskins get d-line help, dhall will do just fine next year. then all we'll need is a roll of duct tape to COVER his mouth

Posted by: hessone | January 31, 2011 6:35 AM | Report abuse

ESPN.com is doing a pretty good string of columns debating who's REALLY America's Team between the Packers, Steelers, and Cowboys. I didn't even bother reading the take on the Cowpies since whatever they say will be garbage...but the Steelers and Packers make a very compelling case. My favorite line:

"The Packers and Steelers are built for success. The Cowboys are built for melodrama and coaching turnover. And as it turns out, JerryWorld was built so the Packers and Steelers could play Super Bowl XLV there."

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 6:35 AM | Report abuse

D. Hall: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 31, 2011 6:09 AM
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That's not the engineer's way. If it ain't broke, you keep tinkering with it until it is, and if it breaks, it must have needed replacing anyway.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 31, 2011 6:37 AM | Report abuse


That's not the engineer's way. If it ain't broke, you keep tinkering with it until it is, and if it breaks, it must have needed replacing anyway.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 31, 2011 6:37 AM |
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combined with," where's that screwdriver ? freakin thing must have legs".

Posted by: hessone | January 31, 2011 6:45 AM | Report abuse

To me, Hall's gambling for interceptions is no different than Haynesworth not staying in his lane because he thinks he can make a big play.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 31, 2011 6:28 AM


RSH, I credit you as being a pretty smart guy...so I'll give you a chance to stop and think about why that's a terribly misguided assertion...

DHall is a man-to-man cover corner. Jumping a route instead of playing for the tackle isn't considered playing out of position...a D-lineman taking a wrong gap is. Any coach putting DHall on an island is an idiot...he should have help over the top on damn near every play. Again...nobody is mistaking him for an elite, shutdown CB. That's not what he was brought here for. Comparing him to AH--who was supposed to be the best D-lineman in the league, the most dominant force at the point of attack since Reggie White--is pretty shortsighted, my friend.

I just don't see how anyone can say gambling for INTs is a bad thing, like it's gunning for sacks on run plays or something. In most cases, the guys that get lots of INTs are the guys that are taking chances to get them. Playing it safe gets you CR numbers...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 6:49 AM | Report abuse


In most cases, the guys that get lots of INTs are the guys that are taking chances to get them. Playing it safe gets you CR numbers...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 6:49 AM |
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dropping balls gets you CR numbers

Posted by: hessone | January 31, 2011 7:15 AM | Report abuse

I thought todays "why I hate my redskins" discussion would be about how even in the most vanilla of 4-3 D's, the skins reps played the best. Instead its DH sucks, incredible

Posted by: hcic55 | January 31, 2011 7:31 AM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall haters: STFU!

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 31, 2011 7:39 AM | Report abuse

D. Hall: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Before the Pro Bowl:

Redskin Blogga; MeAngelo Hall DOES NOT belong in the Pro Bowl!

He is NOT an elite corner!


After the Pro Bowl:

Redskin Blogga: WTF? DeAngelo Hall is the Pro Bowl MVP!!???

HAIL!!!!!

See, I posted all week long he was an elite corner, and.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 7:42 AM | Report abuse

DHall grew up in southeastern VA where im from and he grew up a Skins fan. He is just fine where he is. Rogers is fine too.
Improving the pass rush will help the corners. Can't expect guys to cover downfield while the QB is just sitting in the pocket with all the time in the world.

Posted by: westjr88 | January 31, 2011 7:45 AM | Report abuse


See, I posted all week long he was an elite corner, and.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 7:42 AM |
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... he isn't

Posted by: hessone | January 31, 2011 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Four things were made abundantly clear last night in Hawaii:

1) The week BEFORE the SB is the time for the Pro Bowl. Not the week AFTER.

2) The game should stay in Hawaii.

3) Our three pro-bowlers carried the NFC to victory. (Fletcher didn't get enough dap from the broadcast crew for his beautiful reaction and interception on the tipped pass)

4) The Redskins' helmet is the BEST in the NFL, bar NONE.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 31, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

kiss my black a$$

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 31, 2011 7:49 AM | Report abuse


DHall grew up in southeastern VA where im from and he grew up a Skins fan. He is just fine where he is. Rogers is fine too.
Improving the pass rush will help the corners. Can't expect guys to cover downfield while the QB is just sitting in the pocket with all the time in the world.

Posted by: westjr88 | January 31, 2011 7:45 AM |
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agree with you westjr

Posted by: hessone | January 31, 2011 7:51 AM | Report abuse

It's just the Pro Bowl, but watching Orakpo, Fletcher, and Hall play just reminds you of how good they could be if they played on a real team.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 31, 2011 7:52 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

ESPN.com is doing a pretty good string of columns debating who's REALLY America's Team between the Packers, Steelers, and Cowboys.

Steelers, hands down, and F the chatta about jersey sales as proof of otherwise.

If they win Sunday, the Steelers' franchise is in a place all by itself in terms of dominance and respect.

And unlike the Yanks, Lakers, Celtics, and Red Wings, the Steelers--and Packers, for that mattah-- their multiple titles really don't inspire too much hate.

The Pennsylvanian roots for the Steelers to win.

But the football fan in me sees the Pack pulling out a late victory:

Packers 24

Steelers 20

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 7:54 AM | Report abuse

You all are very depressing.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 31, 2011 7:58 AM | Report abuse


But the football fan in me sees the Pack pulling out a late victory:

Packers 24

Steelers 20

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 7:54 AM |
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proof that playaction has brain-wash the board

steelers 24

packers 20

Posted by: hessone | January 31, 2011 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Can't expect guys to cover downfield while the QB is just sitting in the pocket with all the time in the world.

Posted by: westjr88 | January 31, 2011 7:45 AM

Ssssshhhh...some folks up here don't like common sense. It's easier to gloss over the things DHall does right and emphasize the negative.

MColeman, agree with most of your points...however, I'm kinda torn on the Pro Bowl before/after the SB thing. While it's a good run up to the big game, I hate that the teams in the SB don't have players repping them in the all-star game. Most SB teams have multiple Pro-Bowlers, and to not have guys like Manning or Brees or Polamalu or Rodgers participating kinda hurts, IMO. If the NFL had a Jordan-esque player who got his team to the SB every year, could you imagine how bad that would be to not have that player in the Pro Bowl?

There's merit in doing it both ways, but it seems to me that the NFL would be better off just making the Pro Bowl a nice honor on paper and just scrapping the game altogether.

But then again, what better way to reopen the DHall debate every year?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 8:03 AM | Report abuse


There's merit in doing it both ways, but it seems to me that the NFL would be better off just making the Pro Bowl a nice honor on paper and just scrapping the game altogether.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 8:03 AM |
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agree brown

seems like a waste of time. also take into consideration injured players that have surgery after the their season is over and not play makes the pro bowl the pro blow

Posted by: hessone | January 31, 2011 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Improving the pass rush will help the corners.

.....and again, we sya that acquiring a pocket collapsing NT is the 1st step to making this happen.

Phil Taylor, NT, Baylor anyone?

Oooops: I forgot, folks want to draft anutha rush end linebacker--Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

If they win Sunday, the Steelers' franchise is in a place all by itself in terms of dominance and respect.

And unlike the Yanks, Lakers, Celtics, and Red Wings, the Steelers--and Packers, for that mattah-- their multiple titles really don't inspire too much hate.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 7:54 AM


Moe, I'd even go as far as to say that even if the Steelers fall short in this game your comments still apply.

Even folks that don't like the Steelers, tend to at least respect 'em. Their ownership is first class, they build their team the right way, and they win with class as well. To me, that is a big reason why they're the NFL's closest thing to America's Team.

Not to mention their fanbase is one of the biggest and best when it comes to traveling to other stadiums and repping their team in other cities.

Green Bay definitely belongs in the conversation, but nobody deserves the title more than Pittsburgh.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 8:17 AM | Report abuse


kiss my black a$$

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 31, 2011 7:49 AM |
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hess, you sound C-R-A-N-K-Y this morning. cheer up dude, d-line help for the secondary is on the way

Posted by: hessone | January 31, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Wait, what's that sound......does anyone else hear that?...........Oh man, it's the sound of D Hall's head getting bigger and bigger!......She's about to blow, hit the deck!!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Phil Taylor, NT, Baylor anyone?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 8:12 AM

I want Taylor too but he's not going to be around for our second round pick, and finding someone in the late 1st round who wants to move up to #10 is not easy and will probably only make themselves known if their dream player is still available after Dallas picks @ #9.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 31, 2011 8:23 AM | Report abuse

couple things, did some reading on the upcoming draft this weekend:

cb, from LSU, Patrick Peterson, 6'1, 222 pounds, if he's there, thats gonna be a hard guy to pass, if he runs a 4.3 he wont last til #10...

WR from Pitt, forget his name, goes 6'5, and 230, has a little bit of an attitude, but another guy who if he runs in the 4.3 / 4.4 area is gonna be hard to pass if he's there....

there will be players to be had at #10...

oh and suck it lakers....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 31, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

Their (Steelers) ownership is first class,....

What amazes the outside observer is:

--Super Bowl hero Santonio Holmes gets caught up in a drug issue, they trade him away for a 5th rounder without a thought

--Ben Roethlisberger gets caught up in a sex charge issue, and they seriously float the idea of trading him away

--they support the 'Rooney Rule' by giving the very young Mike Tomlin--and not some good ol boy re-tread--the head coaching job after Cowher leaves

--there is not one big name/money FA on their roster

Character and consistency is all that issues from the Steelers' franchise.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Cue up haters responses:

A) "Yeah, but he gave up 44 points."

B) "Of course he'd be named MVP of the most meaningless game in the season."

C) "He got burned by Eddie Royal in a game one time several years ago."

D) "He takes too many gambles, he's the reason why the Skins are a horrible team, he's behind the BP oil spill, he's been propping up the Mubarak regime all these years, he's the reason why I stubbed my toe on a chair this morning."

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

d-line help for the secondary is on the way

Posted by: hessone | January 31, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

SAVE THE DIVE ASS BLOW FISH!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 8:28 AM | Report abuse

proof that playaction has brain-wash the board

Posted by: hessone | January 31, 2011 8:00 AM

Chinese Water Torture...sixty percent of the time, it works all of the time.

Green Bay Packers 24
Pittsburgh Steelers 20

Go NFC! Go SPG!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 31, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

elite corners do NOT have 6 tackles in a game... they usually have 1 maybe 2 bc teams do NOT throw at them... meangleo is like jreid... he sux!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 31, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I want Taylor too but he's not going to be around for our second round pick,....


I'm of a different mind.

I think if guys like Daceus, Powe, Taylor, Fairley, et al. all grade out like BJ Raji did in '09, they'll move up to where taking them at #10 makes sense.

Too, when you are where we are defensively, maybe you take what makes sense with regard to scheme/team needs and not draft-nik logic.

The redskin defense needs some youth and athleticism at NT, DE and DT.

So maybe a reach at 10 with a player who satisfies some of those concerns isn't a bad idea.

And as for that 2nd rounder,.......

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I'm still impressed they dumped Santonio and didn't miss him at all...Mike Wallace is every bit the deep threat as Santonio and they also got a steal in the 6th round with Antonio Brown. They deal a SB MVP and a clutch performer and get BETTER. I can't tell you how bad I want the Skins to start pulling of stuff like that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Congrats p1funk-

As for me I called it. Well almost, I said the NFC would win 45-41 and DHall would have a pick 6 and give up 2 TDs.

So now the thing that he needs to work on is consistency if he wants to be a top 15 CB in this league.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2011 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Congrats p1funk-


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2011 8:43 AM | Report abuse


No Congrats to the Terps.

Now 4-3 in the ACC w/ 3 road wins and well-positioned to go over .500 in the ACC.

Next up...Satan's team...

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

You know what....Darrell Green used to gamble sometimes too. He would let the receiver get separation and bait the QB into a false sense of security and then make up the distance with his speed.
Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.
what Green had that Hall doesn't was: Manley, Mann, Grant, Butz, Tim Johnson, Eric Williams, etc.
You get these guys a pass rush and BARNES will look Revis, let alone Hall and Rogers.

Posted by: westjr88 | January 31, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

You know what....Darrell Green used to gamble sometimes too. He would let the receiver get separation and bait the QB into a false sense of security and then make up the distance with his speed.
Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.
what Green had that Hall doesn't was: Manley, Mann, Grant, Butz, Tim Johnson, Eric Williams, etc.
You get these guys a pass rush and BARNES will look Revis, let alone Hall and Rogers.

Posted by: westjr88 | January 31, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse


Stop this, westjr. Just stop.

Your common sense and logic is not welcome here.

DeAngelo Hall is worthless in every way and that's that.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Yeah. Obviously the pro-bowl mvp sucks. That's a given.

Seriously? What jaded fkucking cr4p pile do you live in that your own player gets league wide respect and you still dis.

Revoke this man's hamster lisence!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 31, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

BARNES will look Revis


Step away from the bong, son.

You're trippin'.

Yes, an excellent rush improves coverage.

But there is such a thing as a 'coverage sack,' too.

Go back and look at the Pats/Colts v. Jets games, and you'll see that both Manning-Brady had a ton 'o time in the pocket, but no one to throw to.

Why?: corners like Revis, Cromartie, McCourty, Hall and others have excellent make up speed and can make a play on a well thrown ball like they were receivers.

In Revis' case, dude has a long list of elite receivers he has just simply shut down.

A fine pass rush is a great thing.

But a better thing is the all world corner who can go up in the air, tip a well-thrown pass, or smother a receiver so it doesn't even get near him.

And D Revis is hands down the best in the league at that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 9:03 AM | Report abuse

CB - Ras I-Dowling (UVA)

If we can trade down out of #10 and get some picks later in the 1st round and/or earlier in the second, then this is the guy I would look at as Carlos Rogers' replacement.

He's 6'2'', 200 lbs., has all the cover skills of a corner and (don't look now) can actually pick off the ball.

Just the kind of physical corner that can complement DHall, and can probably be used as a hybrid CB/safety a-la Malcolm Jenkins.

He was a preseason All-American and would have been a 1st round pick last year if he came out. His stock has dropped some this year b/c he's been injured.

But if we could get out of the #10 spot and get a lower first round pick plus a another 2nd rounder, then we can get our NT, OLB and DB that we need to make this 3-4 thing work.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

That play where Arseneo Hall stripped the ball and ran it to the end zone was almost identical to the play right before the end of the first half versus the Cowbiotches opening night.

Hall is definitely a stripper. I am surprised Albert Haynesworth hasn't gotten him pregnant.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

proof that playaction has brain-wash the board

Posted by: hessone | January 31, 2011 8:00 AM

Chinese Water Torture...sixty percent of the time, it works all of the time.

Green Bay Packers 24
Pittsburgh Steelers 20

Go NFC! Go SPG!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 31, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

You'd better tell me how I feel about this, I can't think for myself!

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Well no wonder he was the MVP, Kevin Walter want playing.

JK congrats, on a field full of playmakers he stood out. Not really a surprise, the pro bowl is a route jumping CBs dream game. And that is def dhalls calling card.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 31, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

DeAngelo got the MVP for doing exactly what got him to the pro-bowl.

Big plays.

The tackle-strip-recovery-TD was the play of the game, regardless of the score. Even Diesel would have to admit that. Well, maybe not Diesel.

He also may have given up a score, but I wouldn't know because I stopped watching when it was 42-7 at the half (When #23 did most of his work).

DeAngelo has a made for TV game and that's what counts when the game is on TV.

2 things are certain: Haters are gonna hate and DeAngelo is gonna take it to the house.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 31, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I just don't see how anyone can say gambling for INTs is a bad thing, like it's gunning for sacks on run plays or something. In most cases, the guys that get lots of INTs are the guys that are taking chances to get them. Playing it safe gets you CR numbers...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 6:49 AM | Report abuse

CR22 Playing it safe is a big reason why DHall can put up DHall numbers.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 9:23 AM | Report abuse

wow, so many haters in here. this place just keeps getting worse and worse. To many know it alls that know nothing at all.

Posted by: SkinEm1 | January 31, 2011 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Moe....

It was an extreme exaggeration to make a small point...we don't pressure the QB.
I know Barnes will never be Revis or even Bevis.

Posted by: westjr88 | January 31, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse

CR22 Playing it safe is a big reason why DHall can put up DHall numbers.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 9:23 AM


Probably...but we know football isn't a sport where ANYBODY is going to do something great without help. I mean, put Brady behind our O-line and see if he goes for over 30 TDs and only 4 picks...

In an unrelated note, I see that Philly might move on from David Akers...might be worth it to kick his tires in the offseason to see if he can out-kick Gano...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

You'd better tell me how I feel about this, I can't think for myself!

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 9:19 AM

You are getting sleeeppppyyyy....

This was an exhibition game.

The game is supposed to be high scoring.

Hall was the MVP of the game.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 31, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

In the words of the indefatigueable BClint, SkinEm1, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'IS' is".

I'm all for criticism, but inanery is just 'tard.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 31, 2011 9:40 AM | Report abuse

westjr88

'Cuse my over-reaction, then.

The coffee is a tad strong this mornin': Starbucks, Morning Blend, Whole Bean, ground by mrsmoe late last night.

And as for me, I ground mrsmoe at dawn, and she was just as strong as her coffee.

Love makin' in the mornin' is the best way to get your mornin' blend on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Sure, there wwere players missing from injury and SB participants, but there were still a lot of players there that could be in the mix of 'the NFL's best'. That being said, we had 3 guys play their asses off, and if Landry was healthy he would have been there. That's 4 players off our Defense, over 1/3rd of our defense made the Pro Bowl. Those are the building blocks, the foundation of our defense. We just need to fill in the gaps this offseason. YAWN, damn PlayAction, he made me slee...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Character and consistency is all that issues from the Steelers' franchise.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 8:27 AM |

You're a moeron. The Steelers was scarfing 'roids by the box car in the '70s when they won all them SBs. Back then peeps thought PEDs was dudes walking down the sidewalk. Then the evil Pats found a new way to cheat - the video cam - long before peeps had iPhones. Ain't technology great!

Posted by: BangerVance | January 31, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

kiss my black a$$

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 31, 2011 7:49 AM


G'morning, Ih8!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 31, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

BangerVance

You're a moeron

I would respond to your insult.

But as I was raised not to poke fun at the obviously handicapped, I'll refrain, and instead send money to whatever telethon that exists to help you overcome the retardation plaguing you and your entire family tree.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I just don't see how anyone can say gambling for INTs is a bad thing, like it's gunning for sacks on run plays or something. In most cases, the guys that get lots of INTs are the guys that are taking chances to get them. Playing it safe gets you CR numbers...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 6:49 AM | Report abuse

CR22 Playing it safe is a big reason why DHall can put up DHall numbers.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 9:23 AM

I think it really takes both types.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 31, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

And as for that 2nd rounder,.......

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 8:36 AM

Even in the second round, I think its best athlete available (after going for the best available 3-4 defender in the 1st round). Whether its another defender (any position), WR or offensive lineman, still best available. Kaepernick won't be available after the second round. I don't want any of the other QBs ... and the Kaepernick Plan requires that he not be the starter next year in order to figure out the mechanics (and quick!).

Frankly, time to restore the power running game. This is the NFC East after all. Get a younger, more break out version of Torain to platoon with Torain to reduce the number of carries required for Torain. Power running game means no fantasy football stars ... just lots of running yards collectively.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

The Steelers was scarfing 'roids by the box car in the '70s when they won all them SBs. Back then peeps thought PEDs was dudes walking down the sidewalk.

Posted by: BangerVance | January 31, 2011 10:00 AM

So what? Stuff wasn't illegal back then, and the Steelers were far from the only ones doing it at the time. Even if you wanna pull an Alan and dismiss a grip of championships, they've still won 2 in the last decade and could make it 3 SBs in 6 years with a win on Sunday.

But hey, don't fact get in the way of a perfectly good rant...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

You're a moeron. The Steelers was scarfing 'roids by the box car in the '70s when they won all them SBs. Back then peeps thought PEDs was dudes walking down the sidewalk. Then the evil Pats found a new way to cheat - the video cam - long before peeps had iPhones. Ain't technology great!


Frak, is this you?

The style and syntax is more like one our posts.

Or: maybe Mr. Vance's is some other scatter-brained semen sucker lounging about in these fair parts.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

...That being said, we had 3 guys play their asses off, and if Landry was healthy he would have been there. That's 4 players off our Defense, over 1/3rd of our defense made the Pro Bowl...

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 9:51 AM

What does that say about the coaching, if we have that much talent on D and can't really stop anybody?

Imagine a motivated Fat Al anchoring our D, with Landry and 3 Pro-Bowlers making plays around him...

Posted by: Alan4 | January 31, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

DeAngelo has a made for TV game and that's what counts when the game is on TV.

2 things are certain: Haters are gonna hate and DeAngelo is gonna take it to the house.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 31, 2011 9:22 AM

And in non-made-for-TV games, DeA Hall is going to take some plays off.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

That being said, we had 3 guys play their asses off, and if Landry was healthy he would have been there.

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 9:51 AM

Where can we find players like these for our last ranked Defense?
haha...

Skins stood out because this game was at "scrimmage speed". Which is even slower than the first exhibition game of the preseason.

Bruce and Shanny...Man up and trade DHall NOW for rebuilding picks before he is released in 2 years..ala his previous teams......You'll never get more in return for a player who lost more games than won last year. His INT stats are padded from one game. And his tackling stats (when he didnt miss) resulted from a porous and ill-suited 3-4 DLine.

If he played for the Iggles and they were in perennial last place like the Skins.....Andy Reid would be testing the market with him, right now.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 31, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Um, guys?

Our players did well at something... for the first time since ST was playing.

What is there to hate on?! STFU, already.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 31, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

dcsween

Kaepernick won't be available after the second round. I don't want any of the other QBs...

...about that second rounder:

I'd take a quarterback in the second round so long as my criteria is, "Which guy should be ready the soonest?"

Kaepernack?

Ponder?

Dalton?

Devlin?

Stanzi?

I'd say from the way he handled himself at the Senior Bowl, C Ponder looks like a guy who might be ready to play soon after he's handed the playbook.

The brainy Ponder made some nice throws (none deep, mind you) to L Hankerson Saturday, and looks like a very accurate WCO-type passer.

Me?: I'd draft the kid in round 2, and re-shape my passing attack around what he does well.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

And as for me, I ground mrsmoe at dawn, and she was just as strong as her coffee.

Love makin' in the mornin' is the best way to get your mornin' blend on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 9:49 AM |

Heh, heh. I can see it now. Einstein gets up in the morning, yawns, scratches his ass, and thinks to himself "Fork The Theory of Relativity! I'm going to spend the AM humping Mrs. E!"

Posted by: BangerVance | January 31, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

CR22 Playing it safe is a big reason why DHall can put up DHall numbers.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 9:23 AM

I think it really takes both types.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 31, 2011 10:11 AM

OK, I can accept that. Bygones. Now let's re-sign Rogers ... kind of like how teams that "draft and develop" do.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Then the evil Pats found a new way to cheat - the video cam - long before peeps had iPhones. Ain't technology great!
Frak, is this you?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 10:14 AM

are the pats still at it?
All of Belichicks Offensive players and "genius assistants" look very ordinary when they go to other teams? And BB looks pretty ordinary in their recent playoff games (losses) with the opposing teams using defensive headsets and foiling his signal stealing.

http://www.xtrapointfootball.com/20101216868/2010-archives/december/nfl-rage-are-the-new-england-patriots-cheating-again.html

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 31, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

So what? Stuff wasn't illegal back then, and the Steelers were far from the only ones doing it at the time.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 10:13 AM |

Dude. You can backpedal better than the N dude - Nnnnnamdi Asomugha!

Posted by: BangerVance | January 31, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall is Pro Bowl MVP

I would like to take this opportunity to throw this meaningless game into RI relevancy.

To all the CR22 Lovers (LearnedHand and whoever else) and DHall haters (Diesel44, etc etc)....Just quit it.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 31, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Well, there's a reason we were the last ranked Defense in the league, new scheme and all of the other 'fill-ins' sucked and don't fit the 3-4 scheme. It starts this offseason, this draft should be all defense, especially the line.

SAVE THE DIVE ASS CRICKETS!

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Skins stood out because this game was at "scrimmage speed". Which is even slower than the first exhibition game of the preseason.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 31, 2011 10:16 AM

Skins stood out because the Skins bring a special spirit to Pro Bowls ... they bring the memory of Sean Taylor who took it upon himself to make the Pro Bowl relevant ... and to screw with AFC guys' Hawaii vacations.

Moe, re Ponder, the point I agree with would be drafting Hankerson ... but I would prefer Titus Young. Mostly b/c Skins just have a roster hole in position players with the first name Titus (plus, he is Santana Moss only younger, faster, and less mileage, thus no beat skippage if and when Moss hangs up his cleats).

The Skins are NOT set at WR even IF Malcolm Kelly returns and is good. The teams that are set a WR are Green Bay and New Orleans. A team needs more than three serious receivers for spreading around purposes against 3-4 defenses. See esp. Indy and the fall off after the loss of Dallas Clark and Austin Collie. [Is Gonzalez still even on the Colts?]

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

To me, Hall's gambling for interceptions is no different than Haynesworth not staying in his lane because he thinks he can make a big play.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 31, 2011 6:28 AM


RSH, I credit you as being a pretty smart guy...so I'll give you a chance to stop and think about why that's a terribly misguided assertion...

DHall is a man-to-man cover corner. Jumping a route instead of playing for the tackle isn't considered playing out of position...a D-lineman taking a wrong gap is. Any coach putting DHall on an island is an idiot...he should have help over the top on damn near every play. Again...nobody is mistaking him for an elite, shutdown CB. That's not what he was brought here for. Comparing him to AH--who was supposed to be the best D-lineman in the league, the most dominant force at the point of attack since Reggie White--is pretty shortsighted, my friend.

I just don't see how anyone can say gambling for INTs is a bad thing, like it's gunning for sacks on run plays or something. In most cases, the guys that get lots of INTs are the guys that are taking chances to get them. Playing it safe gets you CR numbers...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 6:49 AM
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See, where we disagree is you think the defense should be changed to accomodate the player (put a safety over the top) so Hall can jump the route and make the play, where I say he shouldn't take risks when he is playing on an island which is not uncommon on this defense with these free safeties.

Work the math out in Haslett's defense: he's got two safeties and one of them is Landry playing close to the LOS and the free safety is playing deep centerfield. What free safety do we have to cover sideline to sideline from centerfield? There used to be this guy named Sean Taylor who could do that, but there is none since. So, when D. Hall takes his gamble and comes up empty there is no deep support. Since most of the time I see Hall getting burned I don't see a safety running in that general direction, I believe he is in man coverage and got burned.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 31, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton, Vince Young or Alex Smith.

State your case RI.

Posted by: zjenks | January 31, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

To all the CR22 Lovers (LearnedHand and whoever else) and DHall haters (Diesel44, etc etc)....Just quit it.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 31, 2011 10:27 AM

Dude, I SAID "bygones." Who woulda thunk that scamp would be a peace broker between these two camps. Send the guy to figure out the whole fcuking Israel-Palestine thing. Think scamp, think S-camp.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Skins stood out because this game was at "scrimmage speed". Which is even slower than the first exhibition game of the preseason...

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 31, 2011 10:16 AM

There may be a shred of truth to what you're saying here... but only a shred.

Those same Skins stood out at game speed during the season, too. That's why they were playing in Hawaii.

And it's a heckuva stretch to compare competition against this level of talent to games against pre-season scrubs who will be working at UPS in a couple of weeks.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 31, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

And let's not forget the Cam Newton Haters.

The more I read I about Cam Newton, the more I don't understand you guys. I mean, someone can't make a mistake in grow from it?? What is it?

His father is a former NFL football player. His brother PLAYS CURRENTLY for the Jacksonville Jaguars.

You don't think this guy will learn a NFL playbook? He can't fix his footwork? Improve his throwing motion?

I haven't heard one good argument yet. All I hear is, "At Auburn he had to make one read then run." And I would say, he listens to the coaches very attentively because that's what the coach coached him to do. If the coach told him make 2 reads then run, that's what he would have done. If the coach told him don't run, well...he wouldn't have ran. People need to begin using their own brain and eyes......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 31, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 31, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Well, there's a reason we were the last ranked Defense in the league, new scheme and all of the other 'fill-ins' sucked and don't fit the 3-4 scheme. It starts this offseason, this draft should be all defense, especially the line.

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 10:28 AM

agreed...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Green-bay-packers-pittsburgh-steelers-ride-3-4-defense-to-super-bowl-012711

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 31, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

onanygivensunday

All of Belichick's Offensive players and "genius assistants" look very ordinary when they go to other teams?

I'd say the upcoming season should be very interesting for Team Tom Brady.

The jets' blueprint was to built a picket-fence of defenders in the center of their defense (to take away Gronkowski-Welker-Hernandez), forcing Brady to make throws to well-covered receivers out on the edges.

What's funny is that if the PATs still had R Moss in the playoffs, you couldn't play them this way.

So maybe trading Moss away was kinda dumb in hindsight.

Everyone will play the PATs this way next Fall--I wonder how they'll adjust.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Well, there's a reason we were the last ranked Defense in the league, new scheme and all of the other 'fill-ins' sucked and don't fit the 3-4 scheme. It starts this offseason, this draft should be all defense, especially the line.

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 10:28 AM |

NT is the most thankless job there is. You have to exert max effort to fight off multiple OL types while the DEs and the OLBs swoop in to garner all the sack glory. I was happy to see BJ get a chance to snag an int and do a little end zone wiggle.

Posted by: BangerVance | January 31, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton, Vince Young or Alex Smith.

State your case RI.

Posted by: zjenks | January 31, 2011 10:31 AM

Rex Grossman, one more interior lineman, and a running game! Wooooo hooooo! Super Bowl! Let's hear it for the offseason!

[I'm serious, its going to be a shortened season next year. It takes a few games (like till mid-October) for the passing game to get going as it is. Plan to run the ball. Skip jail, go directly to go, collect $200.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

they'll try moe, but minus having guys like revis/10 kids, not sure of their success....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 31, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

RSH, I'll repeat: if you're counting on DHall to be a shutdown CB and take away one side of the field by himself, then he's not that guy. Asking him to be that guy isn't gonna make him that any more than asking Jason Campbell to be Tom Brady did.

The hallmark of good coaching is putting your players in the right positions to succeed. Even though we didn't get great results this year, I feel like the defense did that for the most part. Orakpo was still productive, Landry had far and away his best year, and DHall had a nice season (whether RI folks wanna give him props for it or not). If the Skins had a NT, another pass rusher, and a solid FS we have a very different kinda year.

So unless you've got examples of DHall not being where he's supposed to be, I'm standing by the notion that DHall is just a flawed player doing what he's supposed to do.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

[I'm serious, its going to be a shortened season next year. It takes a few games (like till mid-October) for the passing game to get going as it is. Plan to run the ball. Skip jail, go directly to go, collect $200.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 10:42 AM

The owners have planned ahead this time. They're going to implement the 18-game season, so even with a strike-shortened season they can squeeze in at least 14 games... it'll be like old times, circa late 1970s!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 31, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 31, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Ok, how is this for an argument?

#1 Cam Newton has only thrown for over 300 yards against a BCS team once in his lifetime. In order to be worth a top 10 pick he'd have to do this almost on a weekly basis.

#2 He will require a year or two before he's ready to play and that's just not top 10 pick worthy. A top 10 QB should be ready to step in right away. He has issues with his mechanics and hasn't worked under center and hasn't had to read through progressions. A top 10 QB should have demonstrated all these skills at a high level of competition. Cam has not.

#3 You will have to keep in mind that drafting Cam Newton at 10 overall will mean passing on one of the other top 10 prospects. What if Marcell Dareus or A.J. Green are there at #10? Someone really good falls every year so it stands to reason it will happen again this year. Are you going to pass on those guys for a risky QB prospect? Why take that much of a risk when you are a talent starved team with a limited amount of prospects. Right now this team can't afford to gamble. Cam is a huge gamble.

That's 3 reasons why this team shouldn't take him at #10 overall. If we trade back and get another pick then I'd say go for it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

bean

I think Team Brady will draft a big time, big body receiver to add a deep threat.

They actually have the picks, lack of needs to snag a Julio Jones/AC Green in round 1.

We don't.

And that's sad.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton, Vince Young or Alex Smith.

State your case RI.

Posted by: zjenks | January 31, 2011 10:31 AM |

I tend to agree with Bill Parcells' list of requirements when evaluating a QB prospect coming out of college. I won't list what the 'Tuna looks for here (I'm sure most know it or can google it) but I think Cam Newton would rate the highest by Parcells relative to the other guys' college careers/projected NFL success.

I won't be mad if the 'Skins take Newton - if he falls to 10 - but best case scenario would have him not even playing until 2012.

I think that Peyton Manning would get killed if he played for this team and I am thinking Manning is a little better than Newton.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

What's funny is that if the PATs still had R Moss in the playoffs, you couldn't play them this way.

So maybe trading Moss away was kinda dumb in hindsight.

Everyone will play the PATs this way next Fall--I wonder how they'll adjust.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 10:38 AM

Pats got a boat load of picks, this year, to make that "adjustment" (including 5 of the first 74 picks).
My guess, a few speed outside WR's, in support of your Moss/Jets observation.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 31, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Drafting Cam Newton also means drafting his dad ... the guy on the take on his son's behalf ... the guy who just arranged a "media only" pre-draft work out for his son ... the guy who has modeled "leadership" for his son.

Per kerzon's links to the Vikings QB blogs, Newton is one of the non-graduating, non-seniors whose completion rating isn't over 60%.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Drafting Cam Newton also means drafting his dad ... the guy on the take on his son's behalf ... the guy who just arranged a "media only" pre-draft work out for his son ... the guy who has modeled "leadership" for his son.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 10:58 AM

Is this the legal theory of guilt by association or the genetic theory that the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree? Either way, it seemed to work in the case of the Bush father and son.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 31, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

You don't think this guy will learn a NFL playbook? He can't fix his footwork? Improve his throwing motion?

I haven't heard one good argument yet. All I hear is, "At Auburn he had to make one read then run." And I would say, he listens to the coaches very attentively because that's what the coach coached him to do. If the coach told him make 2 reads then run, that's what he would have done. If the coach told him don't run, well...he wouldn't have ran. People need to begin using their own brain and eyes......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 31, 2011 10:37 AM
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He COULD do all kinds of things, but that doesn't mean he WILL. The whole making multiple reads thing is a lot bigger issue than you make it out to be. Mechanics and footwork are a big deal, too because that affects accuracy. What you fail to understand is that the guy looks almost superhuman when he is on the football field with a bunch of guys, most of whom don't have enough talent to play in the NFL. When he gets to the NFL, everyone is superhuman, and they will be gunning for him. He'll have to go through multiple reads in less time than it took him to make one read in college. He'll have to squeeze that pass into a much tighter area than he had to in college. He won't be ready out of the package. Given time, who knows? The Redskins cannot afford to waste a number 10 draft pick on a player who won't be ready for a couple of years and who may never be a franchise player. The real can't miss guy in this draft was going to be a guy who decided to stick with his school for another year. Ask yourself where Cam Newton would be drafted if Luck was coming out.

It's tough evaluating guys based on the fact that they might be playing with or against a bunch of scrubs. Not saying Ponder's supporting cast was a bunch of scrubs at Florida State but wasn't it interesting seeing him with time in the pocket and receivers to throw to in the senior bowl?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 31, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I ain't buying any of those reasons PA.

http://twitter.com/cameronnewton

My future teammate just caught that interception...
about 15 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone

(I gotta admit..dude kinda brash...but I don't mind it)

I'm not even sure if this is his account...but it loooks like it...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 31, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

#1 Cam Newton has only thrown for over 300 yards against a BCS team once in his lifetime. In order to be worth a top 10 pick he'd have to do this almost on a weekly basis.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Too bad we don't have any BCS teams on our schedule this year. Even though I think we'd win 1 or 2 more games if there were some BCS teams on our schedule. Tell Bruce to call the Big 12, maybe we can switch conferences!

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

not him.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 31, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I saw nothing that would make me want Cam as our QB. Not that he couldn't work somewhere - but I don't think this is the place w/ our O scheme

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 31, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

The brainy Ponder made some nice throws (none deep, mind you) to L Hankerson Saturday, and looks like a very accurate WCO-type passer

Nothing against Ponder, but I would rather have that Hankerson kid. That dude had a firggin game.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 31, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Great post, kerz...for those who can't get the link, here's the Parcells rules:

-The quarterback must be a senior...because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback.

-He must be a graduate...because you want somebody that takes their responsibilities seriously.

-He must be a three-year starter...because you want to make sure his success wasn't a fluke and to know that he has been "the guy" for a significant period of time.

-He must have 23 wins...because big numbers don't mean a whole lot if you don't win.

And here's how the current crop of QBs fair:

Jake Locker - Failed 26-27-60 (completion % too low), failed Parcells rules (not enough wins as a starter)

Colin Kaepernick - Failed 26-27-60 (completion % too low), passed Parcells rules

Ricky Stanzi - Failed 26-27-60 (completion % too low), passed Parcells rules

Christian Ponder - Passed 26-27-60, failed Parcells rules (not enough wins as a starter)

Cam Netwon - Failed 26-27-60 (not enough games played), failed Parcells rules (not a senior or graduate)

Greg McElroy - Passed 26-27-60, failed Parcells rules (not a three-year starter)

Andy Dalton - Passed 26-27-60, passed Parcells rules

Ryan Mallett - Failed 26-27-60 (completion % too low), failed Parcells rules (not a senior or graduate)

Blaine Gabbert - Passed 26-27-60, failed Parcells rules (not a senior or graduate)
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So there ya go. Load up on defensive help in Rounds 1 and 2 and take Andy Dalton in the 5th. Championship!

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

NT is the most thankless job there is. You have to exert max effort to fight off multiple OL types while the DEs and the OLBs swoop in to garner all the sack glory.

Posted by: BangerVance | January 31, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I like all the glory for MINIMUM effort. Wow, typing's hard, I'm outta bref!

Signed,

'Fat' Albert Blobsworth

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

LF59 that's what's upp

sure it may be exhibition, but it's good to see players wearing Redskins uniforms do well and contribute to victories, i know it's pathetic, but that's where we are at

even just seeing the Redskins helmet on tv, i was kind of getting pumped, my friends laughed and told me to calm down after the LF59 pick, then i stepped back from the situation, assessed it, took another hit from the J, slammed the rest of my beer and went about my life w/ no Skins for a while

Posted by: retroskins14 | January 31, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

He can't fix his footwork? Improve his throwing motion?

I'd say Tim Tebow's efforts to make himself NFL ready dispel any notions about Cam Newton's deficiencies.

Cam's people are aware of whatever 'issues' NFL people will have with his mechanics, and, I bet that as of rightnow, he is off somewhere in Arizone being tutored to undo them.

Fans do have to remember that we're mocking very aggressive, ego-centric athletes who hope to reap millions.

These guys know how to train and prepare.

And likewise, we should expect them to do whatever it takes to be shown the money.

The Cam you saw at Auburn won't be the same guy come his first NFL start.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

NT is the most thankless job there is. You have to exert max effort to fight off multiple OL types while the DEs and the OLBs swoop in to garner all the sack glory.

Posted by: BangerVance | January 31, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

They don't do it for the fun of it. NTs get 16 big thank you's every season, plus a generous bonus at contract time.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 31, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Seriously? There's people complaining that D Hall takes too many chances? I don't think they were complaining when he broke on the ball that he caught with ONE HAND and took to the house and won that Bear game!

We all know he has a big mouth, but the dude can still play. Is he among the top 5 corners in the league? Probably not, but he's in the next set of good corners, I'd put him in the top 10. Stone Hands doesn't take chances cause he knows he can't catch, there's a big difference.

Get a complimentary corner to DHall and draft DLine and OLB!

SAVE THE DIVE ASS BED BUGS!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

CR22 Playing it safe is a big reason why DHall can put up DHall numbers.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 9:23 AM

I think it really takes both types.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 31, 2011 10:11 AM

OK, I can accept that. Bygones. Now let's re-sign Rogers ... kind of like how teams that "draft and develop" do.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 10:24 AM |

I agree...and indeed I do have a solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict...think the movie "Troy" and pay per view all rolled into one.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 31, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Good post Brownwood.
My biggest qualm with Jake was that dude started four years and never won ish. Winning is the bottom line. Andy Dalton was the leader of one of the winningest programs over the last 4 years.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 31, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

brownwood/kerzon

Awesome post, bro.: January 31, 2011 11:10 AM

Very interesting analysis.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I know, I know, there are no 'sure things' when drafting a first-rounder. The 'can't miss' LT that Chicago took has already been deemed a bust at that spot and has been moved to guard (That was the guy that Haynesworth drove right into Cutler).

So, let's trade down and get a bunch of guys who can play, like next year (i.e. O and D linemen, 3-4 linebacker(s), true NT etc.).

The Titans are going to suck royal elephant penis next year. Anyone feel paying CJohnson would be worth it? I guess Shanny still thinks the bum on the corner can run for 1000 yards in his zone scheme.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Drafting Cam Newton also means drafting his dad ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 10:58 AM |

When the Cows drafted Dez Bryant did they also draft his mom?

Posted by: BangerVance | January 31, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I think andy is the guy we want this year, n next year we still see if we can grab Luck.

We gotta replace the starter and the backup so it could work.

Grab Dline/ OLB or trade back n grab Pouncey, then round 2 grab OLB/NT/OG, with the traded back pick grab Dalton.

Hey last redheaded TCU qb did pretty well, I believe they even called him Slingin Sammy??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Every says Locker is the one that's 'NFL ready'. BEWARE of this label. Back in the day, Ryan Leaf was the one that was more NFL ready than Manning, and look how that played out?

I don't mind someone that might have an upside and needs some work. Same can be said about drafting Williams last year instead of Okung. Williams has the bigger upside where Okung was supposed to be ready now. Okung is going to have to get permission from Goddell to bring crutches on the field if he plans on playing a lot of games, he looks injury prone to me.

The Shanny's know their system, they will figure out if Newton fits in this system. If he does, then that should be the pick. Upside sometimes outweighs NFL ready.

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Wanting to upgrade a position is not hate. Criticism of a players weaknesses is also not hate. Some people throw that word around up here until it has absolutely no meaning at all. I hate Haynesworth. I hate Moose Johnston. I don't hate Hall, but I would like to see him work on being more consistent and smarter about his gambling.

We need a better cover corner, but will have to live with Hall for at least another year as the picks and fa's are needed to shore up the lines. We also may lose Rogers.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 31, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

BangerVance

When the Cows drafted Dez Bryant did they also draft his mom?


Well, when RI drafted azzholes, you came along as a part of the bargain, so I guess you have a good point...

...for a change.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Hey last redheaded TCU qb did pretty well, I believe they even called him Slingin Sammy??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I think they shared a room in college, best buds I hear, at least that's what PlayAction told me.

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Every says Locker is the one that's 'NFL ready'. BEWARE of this label. Back in the day, Ryan Leaf was the one that was more NFL ready than Manning, and look how that played out?

I don't mind someone that might have an upside and needs some work. Same can be said about drafting Williams last year instead of Okung. Williams has the bigger upside where Okung was supposed to be ready now. Okung is going to have to get permission from Goddell to bring crutches on the field if he plans on playing a lot of games, he looks injury prone to me.

The Shanny's know their system, they will figure out if Newton fits in this system. If he does, then that should be the pick. Upside sometimes outweighs NFL ready.

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 11:34 AM |

Same with Schuler. I guess that's why the 'Skins passed over a stud QB with then, a full-on bowl cut from Fresno State....Trent Dilfer.

I wonder what Schuler's Wonderlic score was because man, he was about as dumb as a box of cat turds.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

He can't fix his footwork? Improve his throwing motion?

I'd say Tim Tebow's efforts to make himself NFL ready dispel any notions about Cam Newton's deficiencies.

Cam's people are aware of whatever 'issues' NFL people will have with his mechanics, and, I bet that as of rightnow, he is off somewhere in Arizone being tutored to undo them.

Fans do have to remember that we're mocking very aggressive, ego-centric athletes who hope to reap millions.

These guys know how to train and prepare.

And likewise, we should expect them to do whatever it takes to be shown the money.

The Cam you saw at Auburn won't be the same guy come his first NFL start.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 11:22 AM

Whoa, whoa - Tebow's efforts dispel all notions? Not a chance. He looked like a QB in one game and that is not a body of work to dispel any notions.

What Cam Newton has right now is a publicity machine. He's trying to show everyone what he can do in an envirionment he can control. This is to drive the hype. Anything he could have proven in addition to what everyone knows he is will have to be proven from the game tapes. He is what he is, which is a phenomenal athlete with the potential to be a QB in the NFL, or a bust.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 31, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | January 31, 2011 11:22 AM |

Do you know the story behind Personal_Fowl's handle? It is all clever word-play. First off there is the obvious fact that it is a homophone with personal foul, one of the penalties that are called in the NFL. But it ain't just any personal foul, it's unsportsman like conduct. And it ain't just any unsportsman like conduct. It's giving the opponent the bird. Hence it's a personal fowl. How clever!

Posted by: BangerVance | January 31, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Character and consistency is all that issues from the Steelers' franchise.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

(Cue Sam Kinison voice as Prof. Turgeson in the classic Rodney Dangerfield epic "Back to School")

"I know a lot of people would like to BELIEVE that. BUT I CAN"T! I WAS THERE!"

Ok, maybe I was not there, but I did read this interesting piece by David Fleming about the Steeler image and how it's not exactly rooted in reality.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=fleming/110127&sportCat=nfl

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | January 31, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I think they shared a room in college, best buds I hear, at least that's what PlayAction told me.

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 11:38 AM

Nice blend of football and schtick today co-puppet...good thing too cuz poor PlayAction is actually pretty busy today...keep up the fair work!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 31, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I disagree with the Russell Okung example. He was injured twice by having his own team mates rolling into his ankles. That could have just as easily happend to Trent Williams or may not have happened at all to Okung if he played here instead. I will give you a better example though. Jimmy Clausen was the most NFL ready QB last year. We all know where that got him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I like what newton brings to the table, I just don't like his dad asking for me under neath it

Lmao

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I like what newton brings to the table, I just don't like his dad asking for more under neath it

Lmao

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

When the Cows drafted Dez Bryant did they also draft his mom?

Posted by: BangerVance | January 31, 2011 11:29 AM

Newton's dad has been way more involved in his son's football than Bryant's mother was in her's.

That said, if the brains of the organization wants a QB with the #10 pick, my preference order would be Newton, then Gabbert, then Locker last. Locker has the footwork down, the pro-style passing game down, and good throwing mechanics, yet his accuracy still sucks. Improving those things can't yield better accuracy. I just want an accurate QB ... which is why I'm OK with Grossman to limp through another season ... which is going to be 8-8 ... unless they get a running game going.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | January 31, 2011 11:22 AM |

Do you know the story behind Personal_Fowl's handle? It is all clever word-play. First off there is the obvious fact that it is a homophone with personal foul, one of the penalties that are called in the NFL. But it ain't just any personal foul, it's unsportsman like conduct. And it ain't just any unsportsman like conduct. It's giving the opponent the bird. Hence it's a personal fowl. How clever!

Posted by: BangerVance | January 31, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Chalk up BangerVance and PersonalFowl as sock puppets, try not to be sooo obvious next time! And wipe your puppet's face PF, he seems to have sh*t on it from kissing your ass!

Co-puppet, that's a good one PA. And don't work too hard, we need your schtick today, and your boss may expect it every day, and we both know better!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I did read this interesting piece by David Fleming about the Steeler image and how it's not exactly rooted in reality.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=fleming/110127&sportCat=nfl

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | January 31, 2011 11:42 AM

Yeah, yeah, yeah...don't forget that Hitler was a Christian and that an alarming number of our most beloved American presidents are noted philanderers and drunks.

I read that piece and he forgot to throw in that the Rooneys bought the Steelers with the proceeds of a good day gambling at the track. Good people don't always do good things and bad people don't always do bad things. You could write a piece like that about literally ANYBODY....

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

RSH

The point is that like Tebow, Cam Newton will make major efforts to change his mechanics, not that the change will render him a complete NFL starter.

That's why folks should not get too caught up in any perceived weaknesses in his game as a collegian.

Too, the Mike Vick situation also points out that the elite athlete can grow into a starter in time.

The trick, of course, is deciding which guy is serious about improving the skill set he was born with.

And Cam was born with one heckuva skill set.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

How about cam newton then jon baldwin round 2??

We get a qb n big time wr to develop together.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

How about cam newton then jon baldwin round 2??

We get a qb n big time wr to develop together.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Cam newton 6 6 250 qb

Johnathan Baldwin 6 5 230 wr

We instantly would have two of the biggest players on the field

I feel this yr is our youth movement. I expect trades, both up and down the draft, player moves also, and a few free agent signings.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Cam newton 6 6 250 qb

Johnathan Baldwin 6 5 230 wr

We instantly would have two of the biggest players on the field

I feel this yr is our youth movement. I expect trades, both up and down the draft, player moves also, and a few free agent signings.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I read that piece and he forgot to throw in that the Rooneys bought the Steelers with the proceeds of a good day gambling at the track.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 11:50 AM |

From the Fleming piece:

Purchased by Art Rooney Sr. in 1933, with $2,500 he supposedly won at the track (love that), the Steelers initially struggled for decades.

Dude - you must have been getting extreme head from MistaMoe when your eyes glazed over that sentence.

Posted by: BangerVance | January 31, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

You could write a piece like that about literally ANYBODY....


Further proof that we don't have to be prisoners of our pasts, unless, like Gatsby, we choose to spend our present trying to return to it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Too, the Mike Vick situation also points out that the elite athlete can grow into a starter in time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 11:51 AM


While I agree with your overall point, I wouldn't cite Vick as an example here...I mean, dude had to go to jail for 2 years in the middle of his athletic prime to learn a lesson...and even then, he had to get a ridiculous amount of good fortune in Philly (learning from McNabb, Reid, and Morninweg; having a grip of offensive weapons; Kolb getting hurt) before he played up to his potential. All credit due for finally getting it together, but he needed A LOT of help to get there...

Cam may or may not be able to play...I just hope we don't have to be the team responsible for finding out.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong folks. I'm not anti Cam Newton. I just don't think he's worth #10 overall. If we traded back for 2 later first round picks and wanted to use one on him I'd be fine with that.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

From the Fleming piece:

Purchased by Art Rooney Sr. in 1933, with $2,500 he supposedly won at the track (love that), the Steelers initially struggled for decades.

Dude - you must have been getting extreme head from MistaMoe when your eyes glazed over that sentence.

Posted by: BangerVance | January 31, 2011 12:04 PM


OR...I read it last week when it was new and I forgot that sentence.

Not that I don't appreciate your retardation or anything, but how are you even on RI right now? Isn't it lunch hour at McDonald's? Those fries aren't gonna cook themselves...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Its kinda funny when folks question how a player gets an MVP on D, when an opposing team scores 41. Um, maybe when said team has 5 picks 2 for scores, fumble lost. You can probably be OK with a D player winning it...

Posted by: Club320 | January 31, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

BangerVance

...you must have been getting extreme head from MistaMoe when your eyes glazed over that sentence.


He appreciates my head as banging you from behind tends to generate a lot of farts from a hole that's been stretched too wide and deep.

Your name is 'Banger' after all.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I just don't see how anyone can say gambling for INTs is a bad thing, like it's gunning for sacks on run plays or something. In most cases, the guys that get lots of INTs are the guys that are taking chances to get them. Playing it safe gets you CR numbers...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 6:49 AM | Report abuse

CR22 Playing it safe is a big reason why DHall can put up DHall numbers.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 9:23 AM


Whoa, whoa, whoa...wait a minute.

How exactly does CR 22 "play it safe"?

We are talking about a guy who has been benched twice in his career for biting on double-moves and getting burned deep.

And if by "play it safe" you mean he stands back and let's the guy catch the ball and then tackles him, I'm wondering why DHall gets crucified for "failing to cover the guy" when he does essentially the same thing.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

How about cam newton then jon baldwin round 2??

We get a qb n big time wr to develop together.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 11:53 AM

Dont see the Skins using the 1st pick on a questionable QB... Imagine another 5 years of a "JC project" redux..
I think Rex passed his audition with Shanny Sr the last 3 games of the season. And Shanny sees his next Jake Plummer.

Hopefully in this Draft, the Skins trade down for more picks and focus on fixing their last ranked Defense with a large helping of 3-4 suited personnel... sprinkled with a few zone blocking fat OLine boys on the side..

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 31, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

If Shanahan judges Newton to be worthy of the #10 pick than so be it. He's obviously got some serious raw skills - the rest who knows? Long-term stability at QB has been a crying need for the skins forever it seems. Get him now and let his development begin. If not - go for front 7 help early and often and maybe get a developmental QB in the 5th round or later.

What sucks about having now CBA is that the uncertainty around McNabb and AH will continue until there is a new CBA or they're released. What team would trade for McNabb if the lockout goes into August or September? None would be my guess.

Posted by: skinswest | January 31, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | January 31, 2011 11:22 AM |

Do you know the story behind Personal_Fowl's handle? It is all clever word-play. First off there is the obvious fact that it is a homophone with personal foul, one of the penalties that are called in the NFL. But it ain't just any personal foul, it's unsportsman like conduct. And it ain't just any unsportsman like conduct. It's giving the opponent the bird. Hence it's a personal fowl. How clever!

Posted by: BangerVance | January 31, 2011 11:42 AM |

Actually, like the lives of the majority of folks in this forum, it's nothing that exciting or planned out.

My fantasy football league centers around food and all of the team owners go along with the theme.

Our leagues pro-bowl includes but isn't limited to players like Julius Peppers, Jarod Mayo, London "Broil" Fletcher, Chris Hanburger, Mitch Berger, Bubba Franks, Chad Mustard, Jerry Rice, Jack Ham, Samari/Antrel Rolle, Deron Cherry.

You can then wash that down with a Sam Adams, a Teddy Bruschi or a Chris Draft.

Just don't eat that all at once or you'll get Harry Colon.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

pfunk, the way I see it we're best not understanding the "DHall sucks" camp...the minute that line of thinking starts to make sense is the minute we become just as crazy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I do believe Okung had a groin or hernia injury before someone rolled on his leg. Dude still seems injury prone to me. But I do agree with you on Clausen, but not because some people labeled him 'NFL ready', it's because Vinny gave him the kiss of death!!!

There's an idea, who does Vinny endorse this year, that way we can stay far away from him!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

from the nytimes

A Chicken Chain’s Corporate Ethos Is Questioned by Gay Rights Advocates

Bangervance: I'm here for a piece of thick dark meat.

I love how it feels in my mouth.

bored front counter worker: Sorry, you came in on mistamoe's off day.

Try tomorrow.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

pfunk, the way I see it we're best not understanding the "DHall sucks" camp...the minute that line of thinking starts to make sense is the minute we become just as crazy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 31, 2011 12:25 PM

better hurry boys.... The DHall Pro-Bowl MVP Jersey just arrived at the Redskins Stores.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 31, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Vince Young left college early. Eventually, coaching was able to get around his side arm mechanics and he started winning games. The guy still seems like a head case (but now that he's proven he can win games he is, to me anyway, probably the top free agent QB ... after McNabb who probably will be there soon). If Newton has a stronger inner compass than Young (or Vick for that matter) when he was drafted, and the Skins pick him, I will sign up and support him through his inevitable rookie struggles. What kind of college offense did Roethlesberger play in? Newton (just based on size alone) seems more like Roethlesberger than anybody else currently playing in the NFL. [Also, would hope that Newton turns out to be less of a d-bag than Roethlesberger.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Re: Cam Newton

The question is not "would you draft him"? The question is "would you draft him at #10"?

4th Floor seems to be leading the parade of lovers and can't understand for the life of him why people would not want to draft him at #10. So, let me put it out there:

-He has one year of experience playing against Top NCAA competition.

-His offensive system is not something used in the NFL.

-A string of personal and family character concerns makes one think twice about sinking a big investment into the guy and asking him to lead your team

-What kind of QB is he? A scrambling QB who can throw some, or a pocket QB who can scramble? There is a distinction and it does matter in the NFL when you are playing in a league where scrambling skills are mitigated and you are working with coaches like the Shannys who demand a QB to be able to run a particular system as opposed to make plays by freestyling with their skill set.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

Newton (just based on size alone) seems more like Roethlesberger than anybody else currently playing in the NFL.

Tampa's Josh Freeman and Cam Newton are clones.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

And if by "play it safe" you mean he stands back and let's the guy catch the ball and then tackles him, I'm wondering why DHall gets crucified for "failing to cover the guy" when he does essentially the same thing.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 12:16 PM

Its only essentially the same thing, not actually the same thing. Unlike Rogers who makes the tackle when the receiver makes the short/immediate range catch, Hall misses the tackle.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

If Shanahan judges Newton to be worthy of the #10 pick than so be it.

Posted by: skinswest | January 31, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. Not that Shanahan and co. are perfect, but I'd wager that their long term success rate at evaluating the QB position would be better than anyone on this blog.

Plus, in the interest of fairness, it's not like Shanahan drives through Personal_Fowl's toll booth and tells him how to collect change.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | January 31, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

We are talking about a guy who has been benched twice in his career for biting on double-moves and getting burned deep.

And if by "play it safe" you mean he stands back and let's the guy catch the ball and then tackles him, I'm wondering why DHall gets crucified for "failing to cover the guy" when he does essentially the same thing.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

He doesn't jump routes but thanks for trying to turn this back into a sissy girl slapfight between DHall haters and supporters. You also have a bad habit of forgetting to mention that he was benched for being burned by Desean Jackson and if we got rid of every corner that's been burned by Desean Jackson then we wouldn't have any corners left. If you really want to go there then that's fine. DHall wasn't just benched he was kicked off a team for getting burnt like Lyndsey Lohan breaking in a new crack pipe. I actually like both CBs and think their playing styles complement each other pretty well. I'd like to keep them both and work on getting better in the front 7. Also, I think a better free safety would help this defense a lot. With a better free safety we'd minimize the damage when DHall eventually loses a gamble. I really like letting DHall gamble because he not only has good hands he is also a really good return man so when he does pick a pass off he knows what to do with it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Tampa's Josh Freeman and Cam Newton are clones.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 12:42 PM

For real?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 31, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I guess no one counts the games Newton played last year at Blinn College when he single-handedly carried that team to the JUCO national championship. Yeah, he was way more talented than anyone in the nation at that level but dude still had to play, make throws, take hits etc.

Whenever I see a player that looks like a man among boys - regardless of JUCO/NCAA Division 1, I want them on my team.

Whether he is worthy of a top 10 pick, I don't know. This time next year the Skins might have bolstered both of their lines to the point that they're adequate. This time also next year, Newton could be ready to come in as the #2 QB.

If anyone here liked that dude, Joe Webb when he came in and played effectively for a #3QB for the Vikes, keep in mind, Newton is a little bigger than him, wayyyy faster and has twice the arm. I'm just saying...

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Dont see the Skins using the 1st pick on a questionable QB... Imagine another 5 years of a "JC project" redux..
I think Rex passed his audition with Shanny Sr the last 3 games of the season. And Shanny sees his next Jake Plummer.

Hopefully in this Draft, the Skins trade down for more picks and focus on fixing their last ranked Defense with a large helping of 3-4 suited personnel... sprinkled with a few zone blocking fat OLine boys on the side..


Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 31, 2011 12:19 PM

There's nothing wrong with taking a few years to develop a young QB, as long as it's done properly.

Aaron Rodgers essentially spent 3 years on the bench learning and developing in a single offense GB, while JC was trying to learn new offenses from Joe Gibbs, Al Saunders, Jim Zorn, and a bingo caller.

If the Skins choose to draft another QB, I hope he gets time to develop in a single system while the team puts some Fat Boys and offensive weapoins around him. Even a 6x Pro Bowl QB will suddenly look like poop without a decent supporting cast.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 31, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

-What kind of QB is he? A scrambling QB who can throw some, or a pocket QB who can scramble? There is a distinction and it does matter in the NFL when you are playing in a league where scrambling skills are mitigated and you are working with coaches like the Shannys who demand a QB to be able to run a particular system as opposed to make plays by freestyling with their skill set.


Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Michael Vick can do both. Of course, it took him sitting in a cage for a couple years to tame him and get his priorities straight. Ok, here's the plan, we draft Newton and stick him in Levinworth right away, and he should be ready for the 2013 season! Anybody got a half-beaten dog we can frame Newton with?

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I guess no one counts the games Newton played last year at Blinn College when he single-handedly carried that team to the JUCO national championship. Yeah, he was way more talented than anyone in the nation at that level but dude still had to play, make throws, take hits etc.

Whenever I see a player that looks like a man among boys - regardless of JUCO/NCAA Division 1, I want them on my team.

Whether he is worthy of a top 10 pick, I don't know. This time next year the Skins might have bolstered both of their lines to the point that they're adequate. This time also next year, Newton could be ready to come in as the #2 QB.

If anyone here liked that dude, Joe Webb when he came in and played effectively for a #3QB for the Vikes, keep in mind, Newton is a little bigger than him, wayyyy faster and has twice the arm. I'm just saying...

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Tampa's Josh Freeman and Cam Newton are clones.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

With polar opposite stats in college.

Freeman was all passing, 600+ attempts at Kst and only one year with running stats 400 some senior yr.(literally he ran for negative yards two years.)

Cam has less then 200- passes in his college career and racked up over 4 times the rush yds in his one year.

Only thing the same is a 6-6 250 pound frame. Completely different style of qb play.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 31, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 12:16 PM

Its only essentially the same thing, not actually the same thing. Unlike Rogers who makes the tackle when the receiver makes the short/immediate range catch, Hall misses the tackle.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse


Right. I forgot. He can't tackle.

I mean he had 95 tackles this year which was 4th in the NFL among all cornerbacks, but yeah...you're right. He can't tackle, and there's no 2 ways about it.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Tampa's Josh Freeman and Cam Newton are clones....For real?


Josh Freeman: 6'6" 248


Cam Newton: 6'6" 250

Yeah, for real.

And Newton, like Freeman, has a cannon for an arm.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Tampa's Josh Freeman and Cam Newton are clones.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 12:42 PM

One last due diligence question ... has Josh Freeman ever presented his "first and long" to a drunk girl in a hotel room on her birthday?

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Don't wet your pants PA.

Rogers didn't get benched for getting burned once by one guy. He got benched for habitually getting burned on the same kind of route over the course of many different games against different receivers.

He gained the nick-name "Double Move" because he continually tried to jump the route when he saw the pump-fake on the receiver's first move. And then when asked about it gave the infamous answer "Nothin' you can do about it".

Kudos to him this year for finally figuring it out - now that he's almost 30 years old. There IS something you can do about it.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Josh Freeman: 6'6" 248


Cam Newton: 6'6" 250


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Based on this evidence I'd have to assume that Newton has the bigger shlong, that would make up for the 2 lb. difference!

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Such HATERS on this blog...

No one said D Hall was Lester Hayes BUT Finally...some good news for this team and what do some of you booger eaters do...

you bash him!

At least wait until he does something bash-worthy!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 31, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I guess no one counts the games Newton played last year at Blinn College when he single-handedly carried that team to the JUCO national championship.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abus


No.

No one here counts a JUCO season.

Glad that's cleared up.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Don't wet your pants PA.

Rogers didn't get benched for getting burned once by one guy. He got benched for habitually getting burned on the same kind of route over the course of many different games against different receivers.

He gained the nick-name "Double Move" because he continually tried to jump the route when he saw the pump-fake on the receiver's first move. And then when asked about it gave the infamous answer "Nothin' you can do about it".

Kudos to him this year for finally figuring it out - now that he's almost 30 years old. There IS something you can do about it.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 1:06 PM |

That's not how CR22 got his nickname....

He got it after a game in which he'd been burned more than a couple times and once on a big play that ultimately decided the game.

CR22 was being interviewed in the locker room and asked about that last big play and CR22 stated, as if it were an acceptable excuse for which there should have been no question, "He put a double move on me."

Like the Cowbiotches, the nickname was self-proclaimed...then stuck.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

At least wait until he does something bash-worthy!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 31, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, what a light-weight!!! I say, if you're gonna f*ck up, then f*ck up big time!!!!

Signed,
Big and Little Ben Rothlisberger

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

No to any of the 1st RD QBs. Everyone of them has entirely too many question marks.

1st-OLB Quinn/Kerrigan
2nd-NT Taylor/Powe

Caught two movies over the weekend.
Inception- 2.5 out of 4 stars
The Town- 3 out of 4. Reminded me of a Boston version of Heat.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

He was only beaten on two double moves. One was by Desean Jackson and the other was Brandon Marshall. It wasn't many games or many players. It was 2 games and 2 players. The reason he got the nickname was because he acted like it was some unstoppable force that coudln't be defensed. All he had to do was stop looking at the QB and stay with the receiver. How many double moves did he get beat on this season? O that's right he is playing it safe like I said originally.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

dive ass beeps!

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Michael Vick can do both. Of course, it took him sitting in a cage for a couple years to tame him and get his priorities straight. Ok, here's the plan, we draft Newton and stick him in Levinworth right away, and he should be ready for the 2013 season! Anybody got a half-beaten dog we can frame Newton with?

Posted by: monk811

Mike Vick has been playing for his paycheck, just take all newton's money and start him in a contract year. That way RI can keep its "No Animals have been Harmed" moniker.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | January 31, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

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