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DeAngelo Hall: 'We just didn't execute' vs. Lions

With his first-quarter interception off Matthew Stafford, Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall tied his career high with six interceptions on the season -- and the Redskins have barely reached the midpoint of their16-game schedule. Hall also leads the league in picks.

But he wasn't celebrating after Sunday's game, stung by the disappointing loss at Detroit. Hall spent much of the afternoon covering the Lions' talented receier, Calvin Johnson, who caught a career-high three touchdown passes Sunday.

"We had some good coverages called," Hall said. "We just didn't execute. We had a couple coverages where we wanted to put a couple guys on him, but it just didn't work out that way."

The secondary started out strong. The Lions were driving midway through the first quarter, and from Washington's 22-yard line, Stafford targeted Johnson in the corner of the end zone. Hall came down with the pick and barely kept his feet in bounds.

Hall now has five interceptions in two weeks. His sixth on the season is the most by a Redskin player since Matt Stevens in 1999. The franchise record of 13 was set by Dan Sandifer in 1948.

Hall said players will spend the next couple of weeks dwelling on Sunday's final score, not his interception numbers.

"We'll get in the film room tomorrow and try to figure out what went wrong," he said. "It's definitely frustrating, especially before a bye week. We don't get to go out, strap it up next week in practice and prepare for a game. We basically have to have this feeling in our gut for two weeks."

By Rick Maese  | October 31, 2010; 7:55 PM ET
Categories:  DeAngelo Hall  
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Hey Jason, maybe the Post should re-run that poll about the playoffs again, now that we see just how horrible a team this is.

Posted by: Redskinrex | October 31, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Can we please execute the next player that says we didn't execute? You can execute your brains out and at the end of the day you will still lose to a superior player. Just admit it Hall, C. Johnson whipped all your asses.

With all the needs we have on o-line, I just pray we luck into a good cover cb with a later pick.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 31, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

To "Frak": What was all that again?

Posted by: bigfoot1

Co-sign. Reads like something by someone with broken chromosomes after downing a box of Boones Farm Apple.. Frak? Hunter Thompson is still dead.

Posted by: TheCork | October 31, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Another fine effort by the Redskins sad-sack defense.

Oh and don't get me started on the O...

Near as I can tell four of five positions need upgrading on the OLine.

Three second round receivers--contribute much?

And we all miss Rinehart and Tryon.

What a pathetic collection of RBs.

Need a new QB after our rent-a-guy leaves next year.

Tne years of Snyder Abuse. It won't get better until the Danny has departed, I fear.

I backed Shanahan on the Haynesworth stuff--but benching McNabb on the last series? You just dont' do that.

His nepotism isn't paying off either. If McNabb doesn't know the twominute drill--that's the OC's fault.

Fans, locker room,pundits are all divided.

Have a nice Bye-week.

Posted by: TheCork | October 31, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Seems like some folks are finding out what knew what I knew all along. I said it with AH and since since its spilled over to DMc, there's an issue? PLEASE!

Another loss placed at the feet of the coaches. Rex Grossman? Are you freaking kidding me! I can't wait for the Shanny apologist(those who feel its sacriligious to criticize Shanny over anything) to explain this one.

Posted by: dcwun | October 31, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

After these first 8 games, even I need a bye week.........

Folks, I only see 1 win left on the schedule: Week 15 against the Cowboys.
And who knows, the Redskins might be 4-9 at that point with the way things currently are (OFFENSE).

Well, I'll see you folks in two weeks. Gotta go treat that hypertension.......

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 31, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall: 'We just didn't execute' vs. Lions

I'd say the defense played well-enough.

It's the redskin offense that should be executed.

We have 'professional' non-modeling untatooed receivers who drop passes late in games.

We have an underweight left tackle and center who get pushed around like grocery carts at the local Winn-Dixie.

We have an 'elite' quarterback who seems more like an older version of Jason Campbell than someone worth 2 draft picks.

This year is a lot like last year.

Meaning it's more like the past ten years.

Nothing like consistency, ain't it?


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 31, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of...I think MS should take a page out of Tom Cable's playbook and recommit to the running game as the basis of this offense early in games. It would help that Oline get in rhythm. I think lessening the load McNabb has to carry would help everyone on offense.

Posted by: TWISI | October 31, 2010 7:32 PM

KS likes to throw early to establish a lead and then run the ball to ice the game. That's his philosphy and this team is nearly talented enough to virtually abandon the run to start every game. The play of the game was the playcall and then the throw by DM5 up 5 with 4 mins left.

Game Balls
BB16
LL30
AH92
AA13
LFB59

Goats
MS & KS
The entire OL with a special nod to CR61
DM5
JG84

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 31, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

That should read "not talented enough".

Too pissed to type. Up 5 with 4 mins left and then the playcall and throw...17 unanswered pts later, GAME OVER.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 31, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

We're having a good time kicking around McNabb and the O Line, but what is up with this D? Why are teams routinely running up big numbers on us? I gotta point the finger at Haslett and his idiotic schemes.

The amoeba? Really? Has that stopped ANYTHING yet? And why is Albert doing standing up at the edge instead of putting his hand in the dirt over a guard and blowing him up?

WTF already!

Posted by: edvar | October 31, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

edvar- the D was good enough to win today. The O had countless 3 and outs and only converted 2-14 on 3rd down.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 31, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

edvar- the D was good enough to win today. The O had countless 3 and outs and only converted 2-14 on 3rd down.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 31, 2010 9:21 PM


They hung 30 on us.

(I'm not counting the fumble at the end)

Posted by: edvar | October 31, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Missed the game, and judging by the commentary... I'd say my Sunday was a day well spent.

Watching the highlights though, it looks like McNabb made a couple of good throws and had one veeeeery nice run. The guy is old, let's face it, but he's a leader and still a capable, albeit declining QB.

Why is everybody so down on him? And what the heck does Shanahan mean when he says that friggin Rex Grossman gave us the best chance to win the game?

Wow, man. That's some weak sauce from the Head Coach.

and Calvin Johnson?

He's a world class receiver, no shame in giving up three TDs to him, and we knew going in that the LIons have a young stud at QB, and are generally a team on an upward trajectory.

This won't be the last game we lose this season, that's for sure. Clearly, our roster has some huge holes, but we knew this much.

Right?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 31, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Right.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | October 31, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The O-line needs to get its act together.

You can't expect McNabb supposed to hit his receivers in the feet under that type of pressure.

He needs time to throw it in the dirt.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 31, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

McNabb has made a career out of winning close games in the 4th quarter.

You trade for the guy, and in a close game, you pull him out of the game in the 4th quarter.

and then you put in Rex Grossman, who has made a career out of fumbling the ball away,

and then he fumbles the ball away.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 31, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Proofread before you post, etrod.

But the jist of that was that McNabb is McAwful

Chia, did the highlights show Donovan throwing into triple coverage instead of milking the clock?

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 31, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

No etrod, the "highlights" did not show that.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 31, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

You kind of have to fault the OC for poor playcalling on that last drive with the lead.

But at the same time, I'm pretty sure the play called wasn't "lob a softball into triple coverage instead of hitting the open receiver or throwing it away or running it yourself or taking the sack, for f*ck's sake."

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 31, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, barring injury, McNabb belongs in that game on the final drive, not Rex Grossman, no matter how many dirt balls McNabb served up on the day. This ain't about who knows the terminology of the two minute drill better.

Just no way you pull McNabb from a winnable game like that.

Shanny and Son blew this one.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 31, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse


chia_moron

Posted by: hessone | October 31, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Shanny and Son blew this one.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 31, 2010 10:05 PM

It's possible, but my money's still on Shanahan, not McNabb. Shanahan sent a message: "You haven't given us what we're paying you for, and if you can't raise your game we can do without you."

McNabb's had too many bad throws and to the wrong players. He hasn't looked particularly good except at Philadelphia, and especially not at the end. I think he's been dogging it, and I believe that Mike Shanahan thinks he's been dogging it. And this is a contract year for him. If he doesn't step up his game, he won't have any decent offers when free agency begins. If he wants to be an elite QB he needs to start playing like one.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 31, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

hessone has a dickface.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 31, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

They hung 30 on us.

(I'm not counting the fumble at the end)

Posted by: edvar | October 31, 2010 9:25 PM

Let's be fair.

37 pts
7 on the grossman fumble
3 on the gift by MS for going for it instead of punting
4 more by PD junping offsides on 4th and short after the D held them to a FG after the long punt return.

That's 23 and that doesn't even factor in the O's numerous 3 and outs and going 2-14 on 3rd down.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 31, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Everybody piling on McNabb, and because of the Post's history with this board, no telling how many are Post writers trying to generate anger and revenue..Everything so f^in rigged, do you feal real when you POSE like you're real?? Who cares as long as you get the money and power, right?? hollow victory, losers...

Posted by: frak | October 31, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Five thoughts: Lions 37, Redskins 25
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
10/31/10 6:58 PM EDT


1. What was Mike Shanahan thinking? Donovan McNabb was not playing well; he was late on throws, his technique was ugly; and he made a terrible decision on his late interception. But Rex Grossman? Seriously? In a game where the O-line is getting manhandled, I’d want a guy who is a dual threat at the end of the game. Maybe McNabb breaks out of the pocket and picks up some extra yards with his legs or keeps a play alive and hits a ball downfield. He’s on the team for that reason. This is either coaching confidence or arrogance; take your pick. But here’s my other issue: if McNabb is not comfortable in the two-minute offense, then who’s fault is that? Yes, he has to learn the system etc. But it’s the coaches job to make sure their players understand it. If he’s one of your top playmakers, it’s imperative that they find a way that he can execute in that situation.


2. You have to wonder about the long-term impact of this move. Now, there’s eight games left and a lot can happen. For all I know, McNabb has looked at the roster, knows how much of an overhaul needs to come this offseason and is already thinking, “Hmmm, Minnesota’s a nice place to live.” If not, I can’t imagine this doesn’t impact his thinking. They exposed a lack of confidence in him in a critical part of the game; that wouldn’t sit well with any competitor. Not to mention the fact that he’s getting pummeled behind a line that could use at least three new starters, maybe four. Then again, if this is what they think of him in this spot then does this mean they don’t want him back? Which would mean losing a second-round pick and, likely, a fourth-rounder this year for one season? Wow. The other part is the locker room. There’s little doubt McNabb’s teammates will like what happened. Once again, McNabb is the basketball player who can miss his first 10 shots and yet still be the guy his teammates trust in a clutch situation. You can’t go overboard, but some decisions go beyond being about one game,

Posted by: TWISI | October 31, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

3. Now, having said all this, here’s another thing: I started hearing whispers back in the summer that McNabb wasn’t picking up the offense that fast. Others have heard the same so that’s not a revelation. Still, it’s perhaps not that surprising that McNabb hasn’t yet picked up the two-minute drill. But if that’s the case, shouldn’t they have done more to put him in those situations during the preseason? Maybe run a hurry-up offense just to simulate the conditions? Or shouldn’t you simplify the offense at that point to fit him? And if they have already, then that’s a bigger issue and a problem that, again, will be felt for a couple years (if McNabb leaves). As for his performance Sunday, McNabb was bad. He underthrew receivers or threw late; he made a horrendous decision on his interception. Maybe his arm was hit, but he threw into triple coverage to a covered receiver. When under pressure, even if the rush isn’t on top of him, he reverts to bad mechanics – throwing as he’s falling back or leaning to a side.

4. One guy isn’t the problem with the line. Everyone wants Kory Lichtensteiger benched, cut and blamed for the sputtering economy. And, yes, he’s not a very good guard (he’s better at center). He’s a backup and I agree he shouldn’t be starting. But Derrick Dockery is not a savior. He’s an average guard, which, yes, would be an upgrade. But that won’t make this a good line. Problem is, Casey Rabach had a bad game and could be in his last season. He had some tough assignments, as they all did. And when he has to reach for some tackles, who have position on him, he has to make sure they stay along the line. He wasn’t doing that; just allowed too much penetration and was getting stonewalled off the snap, causing him to step on McNabb’s foot. Jammal Brown is ailing and ineffective. Stephon Heyer is Stephon Heyer. Artis Hicks is inconsistent and left tackle Trent Williams is not playing as well as he did before hurting his knee. He’s starting to bend too much; he lunges a little more and sometimes his head goes down as he blocks. Tough way to live on the edge. His athleticism can bail him out and has. But he isn’t playing at a high level. I still think he will; and the problem for him is, this line needs him to be. That’s a little unfair for a rookie. He’s also not helped playing next to an inexperienced player. There’s no way that can help him. Now, Dockery is not a guy to serve as his tutor either. Didn’t think they always worked well this summer, particularly on stunts. Goodness, this is a mess, for now and next year.

Posted by: TWISI | October 31, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

5. Ndamukong Suh is a stud. Once again, how’s that for some insight? But he’s even better than I imagined because of the impact he had on his teammates and on the Redskins game plan. They struggled to run the ball because of his penetration and, eventually, that of tackle Corey Williams. But there were times the Redskins paid almost too much attention to Suh. For example, Keiland Williams went his way to help rather than pick up a blitzing linebacker who wound up tackling McNabb for a short gain. But Williams is inexperienced, too; what can you expect? Guessing Clinton Portis would have helped in this spot. Another time, Trent Williams was caught looking inside because of Suh, who was going against Lichtensteiger. Meanwhile, Kyle Vanden Bosch, starting as a stand-up linebacker on the play, looped outside for a clean rush. And on the fourth-down play that McNabb was sacked, Suh rushed inside as a left tackle and drew the attention of Heyer. Of course, he also held Heyer but that’s another matter. Meanwhile, Cliff Avril went outside for the sack. Avril had a big day because of Suh.

Plus one: Brandon Banks was terrific and that needs to be said. He almost won this game by himself with his punt and kickoff returns. He returned a kick to the Lions’ 42; touchdown. He returned a punt to the Lions’ 49; field goal. He returned another punt to the Detroit 46; touchdown. And he returned one for a touchdown on his own. There was great blocking, yes. But what I like about Banks, and this is probably more true on punt returns, is for a young fast guy, how patient he is before he runs. He understands his speed and he knows when he has time to gather himself. That’s what he did on a fourth-quarter return that he returned to the Lions’ 46. He read the play and hit it hard.

Posted by: TWISI | October 31, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is not an "elite" QB.

But he is a guy who can win you a few close games, provided you keep him under center in those games.

You can't argue this.

Look at the outcome.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 31, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Let's be fair.

37 pts
7 on the grossman fumble
3 on the gift by MS for going for it instead of punting
4 more by PD junping offsides on 4th and short after the D held them to a FG after the long punt return.

That's 23 and that doesn't even factor in the O's numerous 3 and outs and going 2-14 on 3rd down.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 31, 2010 10:16 PM

Dude - They hung 30 on us.

Slice it up any way you want.

Posted by: edvar | October 31, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

frak-you have been excellent and so right tonight. The media would not have it any other way. What would they have to talk about if we win today?

After reading through the comments you'd think we were a team with a losing record. Unfortunately life is full of asswholes who just wanna be right, and it's not limited to Redskin fans. Although Redskin fans seem to be of the up most vindictive!

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | October 31, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Crazy's got a friend!

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | October 31, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

hessone, he also has dickbreath.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 31, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse


chia_dickface

Posted by: hessone | October 31, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | October 31, 2010 10:15 PM

Partial co-sign. I don't agree with MS going with Rex with the game still in the balance and I definitely don't agree with his rational for making the change.

If Rex gives us the best chance to win in the final 2 minutes then based on that he should start. That throw into triple coverage up 5 with 4 mins left was the reason. Terrible play call but a much worse read and throw by McNabb.

McNabb has made a lot of plays this year with his feet but besides the play of the OL he's a big part of the problem.

That was one of the worst coached games nd overall play from a OL and QB that I've seen in the last 10 years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 31, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

It's possible, but my money's still on Shanahan, not McNabb. Shanahan sent a message: "You haven't given us what we're paying you for, and if you can't raise your game we can do without you."

-beep beep

If Shanny benched McNabb in order to prove a point or punish him then that is clear evidence that Shanny has put his ego above the team. McNabb gives us the best chance to win in that situation, not Rex Grossman. Period. And how the F does he know Rex is better in the 2 minute drill? When was the last time Rex Grossman stepped foot on an NFL field in a MEANINGFUL game? Does not make any sense to put in a cold Grossman in such a critical point of the game. If you don't have confidence in your QB when the game is on the line then what is he doing as your starting QB? Dumb Shanny! If he could've said he didn't want McNabb to get hit anymore, then say that! Don't try to pull this bullsh** on us, that is not a good reason!

Posted by: rachel216 | October 31, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Shockey seems Cocky.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

well, unless Shanny's a silver-tongued devil behind closed doors....or gets down on his knees...McNabb's gone after one. so we burn up another high pick on a rook qb. the 3-year plan is now a 5-year plan...if ever

Posted by: mdrockjock | October 31, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Rachel...

You don't bench your starter on the final possession in order to prove a point.

but, only "beep-beep" is contending that, not Shanahan.

Beep-Beep is a mind reader... and what he's reading is a real thriller

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Shockey seems Cocky.

Posted by: Thinker

Seems? He IS cocky.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 31, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is living on the fumes of his past accolades. He is certainly not worth two high draft picks. It appears a rookie would have grasped this offense to the same degree that McNabb has taken to it, and that is the most damning evidence. Bad decisions by the quarterback, bad decisions by Shanahan, the two pile onto each other, making a huge steaming pile. Top it all off with an offensive line that is completely inadequate and you have a team that has to rely on the defense and special teams to score points. Ugly.

Posted by: driley | October 31, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

That was one of the worst coached games nd overall play from a OL and QB that I've seen in the last 10 years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 31, 2010 10:34 PM

REally?? Worse than any of the sh!t bombs we laid with Zorn and Campbell the last two years?

I disagree. This would have been one of the "encouraging" games under Zorn. Of course, we would have scored only on fake field goals.

Zorn/Campbell
Shanahan/McNabb


Common Denominator = Sh!t O Line.

Rabach... I hate him. I don't ever want to hear his fast talking bs again.

If Shanahan really had balls, he'd yank and bench Rabach's fragile ass.

THAT might send a message to McNabb. Which would be, "Run for your life, Donovan. Go sign with Minnesota."

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

So going forward this year, what can the Skins do to address this Oline issues? CP will help when he come back with his pass pro. TW should be better with time off to heal and recharge. Hopefully Brown will be better. Is Rabach really the only option at center? I hope MS opens that position up to competition, because it's killing the flow of what they're trying to do.

Posted by: TWISI | October 31, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Just an idea...

Maybe it's more difficult to remember what to do in the new offense when you're being chased and thrown around like a rag doll.

Ask Rex's ass.

Couldn't have happened to a better waste of a paycheck. THAT guy should not be in the league and it's been obvious to everyone except his boyfriend Kyle for a decade.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Devin Thomas was a problem, too. And Cartwright and Ladell Betts, right? Might be nice to have one of them on the team now, huh?

And you fools on here turned right on them too! "Cartwright's a bum!" "Betts is too slow!"

Now, what do you have?
Who do you have?

How's that freight train looking? More like a paycheck cashing gravy train.

K Williams doesn't know who to block. He's a rookie.

PS - Jason Campbell today, 2TDs, 300+ yards, Zero Picks, Raiders win 33-3 over Seattle.

PPS - Seattle would clean our clock easily. Want to see this blog clear out? Wait till NYGiants hang 50 on us. Hope McNabb nurses his injury and lets Rex give us the best chance to win for that game.

They/YOU all/We deserve it.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect Thinker_, we are better than a 4-12 team and a better Coach/QB is a reflection of that.

But I really don't understand why Rabach hasn't gotten benched. If we draft a center with a top 15 pick it doesn't seem to matter to Mike Shanahan because he feels knowing the scheme is superior to actually being effective in it. Our offensive line is affecting our running game too

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | October 31, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

@TWISI: Not sure what the team can do at the moment; Rabach could lose the competition with Licten-whatever-the-hell, but then the team would be forced to play Dockery. Would it be better than now? Maybe. Perhaps they'll look into to it.

Whatever they do, they need to figure it out fast.

Posted by: AppleScience | October 31, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Heath Miller is an idiot.

Darren Sharper is still scooping up Turnovers.

Pierson Prioleau is still playing with Gregggg Williams.

I'm mad that the Redskins STILL suck. I just never get used to it.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Based on what DMac has produced this year, I can see the logic in a change. It's just not working out. There are two problems, though: one the timing, and two, who do we have?

We don't have our famous "QB of the future" on our roster. Putting Grossman in - hey, maybe he pulls a miracle, but even then, what does that accomplish? If at least we had a backup that we thought could be that long-term solution, but I don't see it.

On the issue of the timing, face it, MS has now gone public that DMac is not the answer, because this was not like when Andy Reid benched McNabb at half time a couple years ago. MS benched him at money time. Just don't know what that will do to DMac' head at this point.

I expect DMac to make boneheaded throws just like I expect CR to drop ints. He's got his best years behind him, probably. I get pissd when he makes stupid decisions like running out of bounds when he should stay in bounds (few games back). BUT, through all that, I still believe this is the horse we decided to ride this season, and just like he pulled that long run out of his arse, you never know when he's gonna show some old DMac magic at the end of the game.

Yeah, we don't what is going on behind the scenes, but for the first time (though I agree with Beep-Beep & Diesel44), I'm just not sure MS made the right call.

Posted by: skinpig | October 31, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect Thinker_, we are better than a 4-12 team and a better Coach/QB is a reflection of that.

But I really don't understand why Rabach hasn't gotten benched. If we draft a center with a top 15 pick it doesn't seem to matter to Mike Shanahan because he feels knowing the scheme is superior to actually being effective in it. Our offensive line is affecting our running game too

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | October 31, 2010 11:07 PM

Our Offensive Line has been a joke for years.

It all started when Danny bought the team, but it had been bad even back in the Gus Frerotte/Trent Green days.

Spurrier? Horrible Line.

It needs to be fixed and we will not be "good" until it is and that will take YEARS.

ENJOY!

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

That was one of the worst coached games and overall play from a OL and QB that I've seen in the last 10 years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 31, 2010 10:34 PM

REally?? Worse than any of the sh!t bombs we laid with Zorn and Campbell the last two years?

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 10:56 PM

No really.

Last year's OL would have laughed at today's game.

Zorn would have asked why MS went for 2 with 12 mins left and the lead. Why MS went for it on 4th and essentially gave the Lions 3 pts and WHY he pulled McNabb with the game in the balance. I'm pretty sure Zorn could also realize that Galloway was done 4 years ago and that R. Williams should be watching the game from his couch. Oh and btw Zorn sucks.

Jason Campbell would have asked why he threw into triple coverage up 5 with 4 mins left.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 31, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Thinker-I'm a little curious...why would you expect the Redskins to be good?

With U boasting how the the Redskins have the worst o line of any football team in the country, why would you of all people expect the team to be better than 4-4?

Shouldn't we have a losing record that reflects our porous o line sitiation?

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | October 31, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

All of those hating on McNabb -- yes, he made a bad decision on that 4th quarter pick. But being behing receivers and late on throws has a heck of a lot to do with facing an absurd onslaught of defenders play after play. Where is the protection? If it were not a guy of DM5's size and experience back there, the Skins might have given up twice as many sacks today -- maybe even more.

And for MS to pull him like that? Total bs. I have been a big believer in Shanny so far. Right up 'til that stupid move. The team will be dealing with the ripple effect from that little gem for the rest of the season, and probably beyond.

Rex? Really? Everyone who was shocked he got mauled and gave up a fumble-TD raise their hand. Why is Mike Shanahan the only one on earth with his hand up?

Posted by: manlius1 | October 31, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Horrible Line.

It needs to be fixed and we will not be "good" until it is and that will take YEARS.

ENJOY!

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

That is my fear as well. You don't make a stud line in one draft.

Posted by: skinpig | October 31, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrence with a pick.

Career INT #1.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 31, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Leigh. Torrence.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | October 31, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan brain-farted. Nothing good can come from it.

Scenario 1 - Grossman fumbles for a TD and we lose.

Yep. That was the highest probability outcome. Whatever. Shanahan looks like a maniac.

Scenario 2 - Grossman comes in, takes the team down the field for a TD as time expires. I can't see that ever happening, but what if it did? Is Grossman your starter from here on out? Or did you just hurt the confidence of your only legitimate QB?

To me, even putting McNabb and Grossman in the same sentence (like this one) is a crime. We should live and die with McNabb period.

Any other philosophy is based on flawed thinking.

Is Joey Galloway still alive?

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

We have an 'elite' quarterback who seems more like an older version of Jason Campbell than someone worth 2 draft picks.


Posted by: MistaMoe

Oh,you mean the Jason Campbell who helped lay 59 on Denver and 33 on Seattle the last two weeks?

Posted by: TheCork | October 31, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

NewsFlash to random idiot:

Starting Quarterbacks don't "dog" it.

Vick is the closest I've seen to this, because he is a coward and will NOT run against a physical defense. He'll toss passes into the ground and hide behind his linemen to avoid taking a hit. Seen it a few times.

McNabb is not "dogging it." That is absurd. He's no worse than he was in Philly. Did you see his last two games last year?

He looked like hammered dung. His O Line got obliterated.

Sound familiar?

Dog THIS, you idiot.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Game Balls
BB16
LL30
AH92
AA13
LFB59


Posted by: Diesel44

Don't customarily had out game balls after losses, Dude.

Posted by: TheCork | October 31, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 11:31 PM

It's not my adjective but we've had OTAs, Training Camp, Preseason, and 8 games. McNabb doesn't know the offense.

He also looks put out when the coaches talk to him our show him the Polaroid's.

It's fair to put him on the top 5 list of problems with the Offense.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 31, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

That was one of the worst coached games and overall play from a OL and QB that I've seen in the last 10 years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 31, 2010 10:34 PM

REally?? Worse than any of the sh!t bombs we laid with Zorn and Campbell the last two years?

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 10:56 PM

No really.

Last year's OL would have laughed at today's game.

Zorn would have asked why MS went for 2 with 12 mins left and the lead. Why MS went for it on 4th and essentially gave the Lions 3 pts and WHY he pulled McNabb with the game in the balance. I'm pretty sure Zorn could also realize that Galloway was done 4 years ago and that R. Williams should be watching the game from his couch. Oh and btw Zorn sucks.

Jason Campbell would have asked why he threw into triple coverage up 5 with 4 mins left.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 31, 2010 11:17 PM

So sick of this same sh!t every year. At least I don't have to hear how it's all Campbell's fault.

makes me sick. Every year, O Line sits there getting worse. We get ONE guy. One. WTF is Joey Galloway doing out there?

Why did we cut Devin Thomas? (what they dish out is lies.)

I'll tell you what... This town will turn on Shanahan's Denver ass in a second. He best realize his honeymoon is coming to an end. Time to start stacking those Ws up, little man!

If you're not putting Ws in order, then, the least you can do is act like a Gdamn decent human being.

Enough with the Haynesworth Drama BS, enough cutting decent player and saying they're not.

If we finish at 500, I predict, this town, this blog, the media, will turn on Shanahan in a way that NEVER happened in Denver. He's never experienced anything like that, believe me.

Hey, they almost turned on Gibbs! He took our dirt bag team to the playoffs TWICE!! With Mark "CheckDown" Brunell! And he brought us 3 Lombardi throphies!

Shanahan is walking a thin line and he doesn't even know it. Cowher is still out there.

Keep acting like an ego maniac, Shanny! Go ahead, keep it up. you'll see, buddy. I'm telling you. You will see. Think the fans don't sign your paycheck? Think again, Mini man.

Better stop acting like a damm fool. Putting Rex in? That's a damm fool decision.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Don't customarily had out game balls after losses, Dude.

Posted by: TheCork | October 31, 2010 11:34 PM

I'm merely giving credit to those that played well in defeat.

How about this for insite...

"Tne years of Snyder Abuse. It won't get better until the Danny has departed, I fear."

With that quote and your age, you might as well get direcTV in your grave. The Danny is half your age and he's not going anywhere, dude.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 31, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm out.

too mad.

sorry for the insults, people. I hate it.

I want to beat the whole team in the head with Homie The Clown's sock.

I want to ask Shanahan, "W IN THE F WERE YOU F'KING THINKING, YOU IDIOT?"

Maybe I should get a job as a journalist, because that's the question people want answered.

Follow up question: "Best chance to win? ARE YOU F'KING CRAZY? YOU LYING MFer, YOU'RE F'KING UP THE TEAM, YOU STUPID MFer!"

See if I get allowed back in the locker room.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 11:42 PM

cosign. You are so right. Remember Zorn called the play to work. Shanahan put Grossman in to win. Zorn had an ego as well. He was forced to relinquish his playcalling duties and someone may have to force Shanahan to judge a players performance based on his game contributions and not practice contributions.

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | October 31, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas was a problem, too. And Cartwright and Ladell Betts, right? Might be nice to have one of them on the team now, huh?

And you fools on here turned right on them too! "Cartwright's a bum!" "Betts is too slow!"

+++

Say what?

I don't miss them for a minute! Cartwright should have been gone TWO years ago.

I do have to admit I am amazed that Betts is even playing this year, given how late in the season he was injured, but who cares?

It's the O line.
It's the O line
It's the FREAKIN O line!

Got it?

Posted by: edvar | November 1, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

"bad mechanics – throwing as he’s falling back or leaning to a side...."

uhh, i hear ya, BUT, i can't think one QB i've ever seen that hasn't tried both those techniques. and i also think that THEY (and learned critics)would say "the qb was just trying to make a play." IF he has bad mechanics it MIGHT be that his feet are so far apart that he can't always step into his throws (which might also help his accuracy).

Posted by: dcjazzman | November 1, 2010 1:26 AM | Report abuse

that skinny lil mickeymouse done stepped on some toes, ain't he? one thing for sure about DC: people here KNOW how to kick a coach in the azz!

Posted by: dcjazzman | November 1, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Why is everybody on here so upset? Detroit played great coming off a bye week at home. We lost solely because our O line is embarrassingly awful. With a simply average line, we would have easily won this game. Mcnabb's late interception was inexcusable, but to put Grossman in was just as ridiculous. My only hope is Shan thought Mcnabb might get injured if he left him behind such an inept line one more second. Good time for a bye week. This team will make the playoffs still.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | November 1, 2010 3:40 AM | Report abuse

A few thoughts on the game:

-Shanahan's stock with me has dropped faster than Dale Doback's after that epic fart in the job interview scene in Step Brothers. I don't give a crap if McNabb goes for 4 picks...there isn't a legit upgrade over him on the roster. Period. Not now, probably not next year. So jerking him out of the lineup in favor of The Human Turnover is about as stupid a move as I can imagine. Or arrogant. Either way, Shanahan gave up what little chance we had to pull out some magic and get the win. How anyone could watch that game and think that McNabb was the problem is about as insane a thought as there is.

-The Redskins lost this game more than the Lions won it. Penalties alone killed this team...countless points surrendered on 3rd down penalties and the kickoff return coming off the board hurt.

-This offensive line is every bit as bad as last year. The only change is the there's bigger name guys doing the sucking.

-As many of you know, I've fought the notion tooth and nail that McNabb would be one-and-done here. Now I'm not so sure. It's one thing to sign on for a work in progress...it's another thing to be openly embarrassed and slighted like McNabb was on Sunday. He took that bullsh*t in Philly and doesn't need to come to D.C. for the same crap. All he's done is singlehandedly carry this putrid offense to the finish line 4 more times than it would have otherwise. If I were McNabb, I'd play out the 2010 season and set my sights for Arizona in the offseason.

-As bas as this loss is, the Redskins are still who we thought they were: a middle of the road team trying to find its way. 4-4 is right on pace for the 8-8 many of us figured them to be and I don't see why they still can't achieve that. Good or bad, we'll find out who this team REALLY is after the bye week.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 5:39 AM | Report abuse

but, only "beep-beep" is contending that, not Shanahan.

Beep-Beep is a mind reader... and what he's reading is a real thriller

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 10:48 PM

Mike Wise is "contending" the same thing in today's Post.

I'm reading your mind right now and it says "I don't have a clue. Help me out."

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 5:44 AM | Report abuse

It's the O line.
It's the O line
It's the FREAKIN O line!

Got it?

Posted by: edvar | November 1, 2010 12:12 AM


Knowledgable fans know this. Morons prefer to blame the skill position players they can spot on TV.

This is far from a prediction on my part, but just trying to apply some perspective here: the year McNabb got benched by the Eagles they rallied a bit down the stretch, took advantage of a mediocre NFC, and ended up in the NFC title game. None of this means a thing if this team peaks in December. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 6:11 AM | Report abuse

How anyone could watch that game and think that McNabb was the problem is about as insane a thought as there is.

...it's another thing to be openly embarrassed and slighted like McNabb was on Sunday.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 5:39 AM

Brownie, you're beating a straw man. No one in the world contends that "McNabb is THE problem." But does anyone in the world deny that McNabb is A problem?

McNabb openly embarrassed HIMSELF on Sunday. Not only are his prospects with the Redskins sinking after that performance, so are his prospects with every other team in the league. The size of his next contract is shrinking faster than wool in a washer.

That said, I think the 'Skins had a better chance winning that game yesterday with McNabb on the field (slim) than with Grossman out there (none). And, in each case, it wasn't the QB but the OL that doomed them.

If McNabb doesn't play better in the last half of the season than he did in the first half, he's done here. He can still land a starting gig with another team, but (1) he may not be able to sign a contract before the lockout with anyone but the 'Skins and (2) unless he has a better second half, the size of his contract is going to be "disappointing" to him and his agent. This is all on McNabb. Can't blame the Shanahans. He knows what he has to do, and he hasn't done it.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 6:12 AM | Report abuse

Follow the leader, follow

Beep-Beep

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 6:25 AM | Report abuse

A few thoughts on the game:...
posted by brownwood26
~~~
Agree, "they are who we thought they are...
~~~
@beep-beep

You're right McNabb is a problem, until you remember he's learning a new offense along with the linemen who are being shuttled in and out....and aren't very good.
Just as much of a problem, yesterday was Doughty blocking in the back on Banks' touchdown KR.(and doing it again on the second one, but not getting caught).

The D gave up four touchdown passes.

What's messed up about this is the fact that M.Shanahan could have given himself, his son, McNabb, the O-line, the WRs/TEs & RBs some breathing room by constantly stressing the truth-it will take time...and patience.

That's all the man has to say.

How many QBs change teams with all of our circumstances and light it up? It's a short list, I can recall Joe Montana w/KC. Of course, he was Joe Montana,but you get my drift.

Who else? Favre last year in Minny? He had Loadholt, Hutchinson and McKinnie on the line, AD in the backfield, Harvin, Rice and Berrian out wide and Shiancoe in the middle of the field.

McNabb doesn't have any of that.

Of our current other starters only S.Moss could step on the field with the Vikings and not be out of place.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 1, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

I know this guy can play the game-I've watched him with the Eagles his entire career-he didn't just "up and forget" how to play the game. Folks can talk all they want to about the dirtball passes. I just watched a load a Sunday games and saw EVERY other QB throwing the same type of sorry passes at some point.
Remember that Mark Rypien, who won us a SB, was rather notorious for skipping passes to WRs when he was rattled/off his game. So, it happens.

The current NFL QB completion percentage is about 59%, but when Elway's generation played it was 64%, so the QBs today aren't as accurate as a whole these days.

Donovan McNabb may have his rough patches, but not since Schroeder and his big arm,have we had a QB, that I always thought gave us a shot to win at the end.
McNabb made lemonade out of lemons too many times on that field yesterday to be benched. He explained that interception as taking a risk when the LB had his back turned. Guess what? I watched Drew Brees throw a similarly dangerous pass to Lance Moore for a touchdown in the Steelers/Saints game Sunday night game. Armstrong could have fought harder for the ball, but give the DB credit, he undercut the route when he sensed he could. Our guy D.Hall does that also.

Patience, Grasshoppers, patience...

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 1, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

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