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Posted at 8:56 AM ET, 12/ 6/2010

Redskins' defense looks to regain its focus

By Jason Reid

Since the 2000 season, the Redskins have had a top-10 defense eight times.

The team ranked lower than 10th only in 2003 and 2006 (25th and 31st). This season, however, the Redskins have been ranked last for much of the season.

After Sunday's latest embarrassing performance on defense in a 31-7 blowout loss to the Giants, several defensive players said the group must regain its focus and begin to play together again. Otherwise, their recent miserable experience will continue during the team's last four games.

"It's real frustrating," cornerback and defensive co-captain DeAngelo Hall said. "You have a great week of practice, you feel like you're prepared and you can go out and win, and to play the way we played is definitely hard to watch and hard to accept."

The Redskins tackled abysmally in the first half as the Giants raced to a 21-0 halftime lead. The Giants amassed 197 net yards rushing (with a 5.5-yard average) in the game and veteran backs Brandon Jacobs (103 yards, two touchdowns) and Ahmad Bradshaw (97 yards, two touchdowns) steamrolled the Redskins throughout the game.

Why did the Redskins tackle so poorly?

"I have no idea," Hall said. "Guys were trying to make tackles; just didn't happen. I don't know how or why, really."

Cornerback Phillip Buchanon was among the players the coaching staff singled out for unacceptable tackling. Buchanon, playing for injured starter Carlos Rogers, was benched in the second half.

"Tackling ... it can happen," Buchanon said. "It was just one of those situations where we started slow and didn't make tackles. It just didn't kinda go our way."

The Redskins are a mess on defense at the moment, and the players must come together.

"To go out here and lay another egg against a divisional opponent ... it's hard," outside linebacker and special-teams captain Lorenzo Alexander said. "Can't tackle, can't get off the field, really can't create any turnovers besides Fletch [inside linebacker London Fletcher had an interception]. It wears on you. Losing like this constantly just wears on you."

It's not coordinator Jim Haslett's defensive scheme, Fletcher said. It's the players' execution and effort.

"If you see the game, you'll see on all their run plays, two, three missed tackles," said Fletcher, a defensive co-captain. "I could see if there was schematic stuff where we're talking about, 'Hey, they're doing something a little different,' and we didn't make a little adjustment, so to speak, of how we're blocking some things.

"But it wasn't the case, you know, where they were doing something different from a scheme standpoint, where we had to make some adjustments. It was just, 'Hey, we missed tackles.' I think it needs to become more important to everybody. Details, fundamentals, all that stuff needs to become important to everybody. Otherwise, we're not going to be successful."

By Jason Reid  | December 6, 2010; 8:56 AM ET
Categories:  DeAngelo Hall, London Fletcher, Lorenzo Alexander  
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Comments

There's nobody else we can bench since everyone else is injured...

Can't even get mad anymore, not worth it...

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 6, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

"defense looks to regain its focus"....Is that serious?? They're ranked 32nd, what friggin focus did they have before this game.....?? Its not like they can be ranked lower....pathetic...and agreed rich, just not worth it anymore...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Skins look like they're getting worse. It's been so long since the Skins were good (and mgt was smart) that I'm starting to look for another team to follow. Sad, since I've been an avid Skins fan since 1971.

Posted by: chris_zz | December 6, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

These players are little girls. When you watch the Steelers they fight off blocks and hit hard. The second someone puts a hat on a Redskins they give up. They don't fight off any blocks and Rocky can't make an openfield tackle for his life. These players are little girls, draft some men.

Posted by: Pleepleus | December 6, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

These players are little girls. When you watch the Steelers they fight off blocks and hit hard. The second someone puts a hat on a Redskins player they give up. They don't fight off any blocks and Rocky can't make an openfield tackle for his life. These players are little girls, draft some men.

Posted by: Pleepleus | December 6, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Jeff Fisher will quit and Shannallen had convince him to come here and run this mess of a defense?

Posted by: shanteefamilee | December 6, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Landry, Rogers, & Haynesworth where out, but yeah, Haslett is the problem. I mean, what DC can't turn Reed Doughty into the MVP and Buchanan into Champ Bailey? And any DC should know how to cast the 'summon Wilfork' spell!

You people are ridiculous. You cannot turn around a bad football organization in one year. Yes, Shanahan has made some decisions that haven't worked out so well. But he has chosen NOT to compound the fundamental issue which has destroyed this team: signing over the hill vets for top dollar.

Every year Gibbs extended Moss, Thomas, Jansen, and Portis, you had to know this day would come eventually. The day when the team would have players it could not get rid of, but which could no longer perform.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 6, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Skins look like they're getting worse. It's been so long since the Skins were good (and mgt was smart) that I'm starting to look for another team to follow. Sad, since I've been an avid Skins fan since 1971.

Posted by: chris_zz | December 6, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse
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It's frustrating, I agree. But it's also funny how people threaten to jump ship on the team and then somehow rationalize it with the fact that they've "been a fan" since [pick date 20+ years in the past].

Posted by: AdamCr | December 6, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

It gets really old watching your team get punked every week.

However, I do think management is going in the right direction. For instance, cutting like 10 guys last year off the bat.

The guys I would keep are McNabb, KW, TW, Orakpo, Hall, Landry, Banks, Armstrong, Moss, our tight ends and Jammal Brown.

I think everyone else is up for grabs, especially that fat loser Albert Haynesworth.

I did see a sliver of hope from James Davis yesterday, he had some nice runs.

It's too bad we were already getting clobbered and had to throw it, or this kid could have put together a decent game.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 6, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

reain focus by getting rid of haslett and going back to the 43!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 6, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is a joke sitting Albert because of a bad practice when theres fools that dont practice all week, rookies like brandon banks even tho hes out only offense who sat out the whole week before a game and he still started the next game so really ask yourself is Shanahan for the team or out for himself and his ego.

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 6, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully we can trade back in the draft and take the best center and nose tackle available.

It's time to get this team right from the inside out.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 6, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

You must not have noticed that the redskins added 4 new starters to the offensive line last Spring, one of them drafted #4.

We also traded for a Pro Bowl tackle.

We added a veteran to play right guard.

We also added two developmental linemen.

We've posted consistently that once a quarterback of the future is obtained, the team should simply draft offensive and defensive linemen: we have issues on both frontst.

FA money should go to acquiring a FS, OLB, WR, WR, and depth.

Plus: we have more picks if we trade AH to get more line depth.

So let go of the whining about adding offensive linemen as it's an excuse that's the tool of incompetent RI posters who lack ideas and just cherry pick from others to have something to post.

Do you have any orignal ideas?

Share them, please.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 8:57 AM


LOL...you've finally lost it, dude. The only two acquisitions on the O-line that were meant to be starting pieces were TWill and Brown. Hicks was here to COMPETE for the RG spot...in a perfect world, someone else would have stepped up so he could be the utility RG/RT that he was meant to be.

Again...if you expected more of Hicks and Lichtensteiger, YOU'RE the idiot. Not me for knowing the difference between a pickup for depth and addressing a glaring hole in the starting lineup.

And quit with the "trade AH" stuff...what little trade value he had before is officially gone. Unproductive season, attitude issues (real or perceived), plus a hefty contract...stop me when I get to the part that's appealing. Shanahan should have taken the 4th rounder from the Titans when he had the chance...now Fisher won't be around to offer it up again in the offseason.

So if there's any "tool of incompetent RI posters who lack ideas", it's the A) "trade everybody" bullsh*t and B) the notion that ditching McNabb and/or drafting Luck or Mallett will magically restore the Redskins to prominence despite lacking a cohesive line or a standout WR. They'll suffer the same fate as McNabb and Campbell until this line is fixed, and fixed properly.

That original enough for ya?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

"Landry, Rogers, & Haynesworth where out, but yeah, Haslett is the problem"

matt, when they were in the team was still ranked 35th in total defense....

The giants were missing 3 ol guys, and 2 wideouts, and still managed to run over the redskins, and score 31 points....put that in your pipe and smoke it...

What adjustments did Haz make yesterday to counter the weak offensive line, and lack of wideouts by the Giants....I'll await your answer....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

So they will look to regain their focus. Focus on what exactly? Fundamentals, disipline, blah blah blah - are these guys professionals or is this a part-time job for them? It does seem to take special skill to take a respectable defense and turn it into a joke in less than one year - and yet hold onto your job. I wonder how the interview went:

Shanny: I want you as DC and to install a 3-4 for which you are know as a supreme guru.

Haslett: Will do - but I will have to take this top ten defense and turn it into a laughingstock and the worst in the league. I will do this in a matter of 5 -6 games. That is my commitment to you. After my work is done with the defense, I will be more than happy to offer my team killing services to the offense.

Shanny: You are hired.

Honestly, is there any upside from this season for skins fans to latch onto?

Posted by: lobsterME | December 6, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

You know, there's a pretty good, experienced defensive coordinator type available in Mr. Wade Phillips. He'd be an improvement over the travesty of Haslett. Say what you want but when he's run defenses only, they have been quite good.

Bringing back Greg Blache would be an improvement!

And they really have to quite the funny business with Haynesworth. It's obvious they don't want him -- it reminds me of Sgt Foley in the old film An Officer and A Gentleman asking Mayo to "DOR". I suppose that's what they want, for fiscal reasons. Not sure they realize that the psy-ops they've been playing doesn't make the team/organization look good.

Amd maybe they need to consider whether Son of Shanahan is really a competent answer as OC. Mr. Childress is available and he worked quite well with Mr. McNabb.

Posted by: dsda3731 | December 6, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Jeff Fisher will quit and Shannallen had convince him to come here and run this mess of a defense?

Posted by: shanteefamilee | December 6, 2010 9:24 AM


If Fisher leaves TN, no less than 5 teams will run their coach under a bus to get him. Not fire him...bump him off completely. Fisher is THAT respected in the NFL (right or wrong).

My guess is he'll end up back in Houston...goes back to where he started and they've got a good, fairly young team in place. Either that, or Jerry Jones opens up the coffers to bring him there.

If there's a change, it's to Wade Phillips. He's a great DC and he's got a relationship with Shanahan dating back to their days in Denver.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully we can trade back in the draft and take the best center and nose tackle available.

It's time to get this team right from the inside out.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 6, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse
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Now that would be progress!

Posted by: AdamCr | December 6, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

What are the past 12 months telling you?

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 6, 2010 9:17 AM

That this team isn't very talented. That the majority of players Shanny thought he could count on as starters on the oline and dline, he can't. That it will take another two years before we can fully judge the Shannallen administration.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Shanahans personel moves are trash we put malcom kelly on IR with a pulled hamsting before the season to save a spot for JOEY GALLAWAY PEOPLE lichtenbum got the starting job for nothing he has not proved himself at all Rabach starts without practicing and he sucks montgomery should be starting at center we trade our 2nd round pick for mcnabb instead of keeping CAMPBELL we coulda had the same damn record with campbell as we do with mcnabb...You can think this was supposed to be a rebuilding yr if you want to but you dont trade for mcnabb to rebuild when you already have Jason on the roster Shanahan thought he knew what he was doing but he doesnt hes washed up as a coach check his past 3 denver teams he past 5 Denver aint been to the playoffs in a loong time and now neither will we....hopefully im wrong but i doubt it DAN PLEASE DONT SIT BACK AND LET HIM RUIN THIS FRANCHISE.

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 6, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Shanahans personel moves are trash we put malcom kelly on IR with a pulled hamsting before the season to save a spot for JOEY GALLAWAY PEOPLE lichtenbum got the starting job for nothing he has not proved himself at all Rabach starts without practicing and he sucks montgomery should be starting at center we trade our 2nd round pick for mcnabb instead of keeping CAMPBELL we coulda had the same damn record with campbell as we do with mcnabb...You can think this was supposed to be a rebuilding yr if you want to but you dont trade for mcnabb to rebuild when you already have Jason on the roster Shanahan thought he knew what he was doing but he doesnt hes washed up as a coach check his past 3 denver teams he past 5 Denver aint been to the playoffs in a loong time and now neither will we....hopefully im wrong but i doubt it DAN PLEASE DONT SIT BACK AND LET HIM RUIN THIS FRANCHISE.

Posted by: mhudson27 | December 6, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Matt, didn't you get the memo? Coaches are supposed to be able to beat better and more established football teams despite having a fraction of the talent, key starters missing, and being in Year 1 of a rebuilding/retooling effort. Coaches are gods, after all...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

espn980 reporting that 75% chance this week that AH will be released THIS week. Well placed source. AH has no trade value for Skins (nice going shanny). He stays if convinces Shanny he still on board.

Heard rumors AH's illness was that he was hungover from hanging out the night before.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Couple thoughts: I've watched every game this year and i was firmly in support of McNabb. This game changed my mind. He laid an egg on at least 3 very important plays.

I was pleasantly surprised by James Davis, he ran hard and looked quicker than any of the other backs, had some nice runs in the first half and that nice screen pass play.

Posted by: nami322 | December 6, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Hope that's true, TWISI...LONG overdue move...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

the rocky mac whiff tackle that led to jacobs 50 yrd run on the 1st drive was enough to make me wanna cut him, but it was a preview of the entire shatty game

you know our team is terrible when giants fans weren't givin me s h i t, but they were like wow you're team really really sucks, that's enough punishment, give 'em a break

it's just flat out embarrassing at this point, but what else is new

another pathetic loss to a division rival

we r reeling big time

Posted by: retroskins14 | December 6, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

What is the over/under of the average IQ of fans calling for firing of coaches?

My guess. 75

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 6, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

brown, its called game planning...and the giants were missing starters, 5 of them in fact...how'd they fare?? Their offensive coordinator KNEW they could take a guy off the scrap heap in Hagan, and get yards against buchanon...and they did exactly that.....what exactly did hazlett do in a similar fashion??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Regain its focus??

This defense hasn't been able to stop teams ALL SEASON.

What we saw yesterday wasn't a fluke day. We've not been able to stop ANYONE's run game at ANY time.

We couldn't stop BRandon Jackson, we couldn't stop Kenneth Darby, we couldn't stop Toby Gerhart.

The issues were compounded by the fact that we had 6 turnovers and only 1 turnover of our own, but stop this charade about the defensive performance yesterday being some abberational anomoly.

This is who they've been all season long.

But whatever.

Maake Keomatu, Philip Daniels and London Fletcher are going to put in a solid week of good hard practice.

...then cough up another 200 yards rushing on game day.

But hey, it's all part of building a "winning" culture...the only thing missing is the "winning" part.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

It's frustrating, I agree. But it's also funny how people threaten to jump ship on the team and then somehow rationalize it with the fact that they've "been a fan" since [pick date 20+ years in the past].
Posted by: AdamCr | December 6, 2010 9:29 AM
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I understand what you're saying. But, on the logic involved: The length of time one has been a fan is meant as a lament not a rationalization. A fan needs no justification for dumping a team.

Posted by: chris_zz | December 6, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Hope that's true, TWISI...LONG overdue move...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 9:51 AM

Good time to do it. May loose some of the locker room if this drags on. Gives another player a chance to step up. Only negative, no draft pick but what were they going to get for him anyway.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I understand what you're saying. But, on the logic involved: The length of time one has been a fan is meant as a lament not a rationalization. A fan needs no justification for dumping a team.

Posted by: chris_zz | December 6, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse
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So have you come up with a short list on where you're headed? Best of luck with your search, and do let us know how it turns out!

Posted by: AdamCr | December 6, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

espn980 reporting that 75% chance this week that AH will be released THIS week. Well placed source. AH has no trade value for Skins (nice going shanny).

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse


If that's the case then Vinny Cerrato can share half of the All-time Biggest Crap FA Acquisition Sandwich with Mike Shanahan.

Vinny for bringing him here.

Big Genius gets half for getting rid of him and getting bupkiss in return.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Hindsight is always 20/20, but the 2nd rounder for McNabb may have been really dumb.

Granted, Jason could turn your hair grey, it couldn't be any worse.

At least we would have that pick to use this year for something of substance. You know, like a starting guard, center or defensive tackle.

FA should be used sparingly on young skill guys.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 6, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

DAN PLEASE DONT SIT BACK AND LET HIM RUIN THIS FRANCHISE.

Posted by: mhudson27


So you're saying the franchise was just fine before he got here? Are you serious!

The redskins today are a result of 10+ years of mismanagement and poor personnel decisions by Snyder, Cerrato and even Joe Gibbs.

You have to give Shanny and Allen more time to turn this roster over and start rebuilding the team.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 6, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is a joke sitting Albert because of a bad practice when theres fools that dont practice all week, rookies like brandon banks even tho hes out only offense who sat out the whole week before a game and he still started the next game so really ask yourself is Shanahan for the team or out for himself and his ego.

Posted by: mhudson27 | D

Agreed! (Except for the Brandon Banks part since he has been injured).

Shanahan's a tyrant and must go! It's idiotic that he would deactivate Haynesworth over being sick and not practicing well when we were playing a very important game. Like Doc Walker said this morning "Obviously, Shanahan hates Haynesworth more than he hates the NY Giants!". If this had been any other player, they would not have been deactivated.

Braylon Edwards played for the Jets after being arrested.

Shanahan does not want to win...just wants to make sure everyone knows he's a dictator.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 6, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Talking about next year, what is the situation with Mike Williams. I thought he was making huge strides at RG. Need an update on him? Or did I miss something.

Posted by: oldtimer4 | December 6, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Shanny was the wrong decision for coach of this team he is to old fashion and even tho we thought dan made the right move by taking a back seat he did NOT with this hire Zorn did better in his first yr then Shanahan will do...And how do you get a job writing for the team because i can write better post then this guy.

Posted by: mhudson27

I said that we he was first brought in. I also said the trade for McNabb was bad when you had no o line

Posted by: jm220

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

REDSKINS RELEASE INJURY REPORT

ASHBURN, VA -- This week's Redskins team injury report should be fairly short -- because no one on the Redskins side of the ball actually touched a player from New York Giants on Sunday -- let alone hit them with any sense of purpose.

According to a team trainer, "All we have are a few bruised egos and only a couple cases of the sort of depression that someone who actually gave a damn might feel if they could even be bothered to think they still have four games to play, but nothing to play for."

Posted by: Vic1 | December 6, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Why all the anger and disbelief? Skins fans got fooled by Snyder again? NO say it ain't so. Fans bought the McNabb jersey's and season tickets with a promise of playoffs and Super Bowl glory. Why can't the fans ever see past the smoke & mirrors? We don't have enough talent and we've wasted ton's of draft picks over the last decade. We need to draft a LG, C, RG, RB, WR, OLB etc.

Last season it was supposedly all Campbell's fault and McNabb would prove that this team was good after all. Campbell sucks so bad the Raiders won on the road yesterday against the Chargers and are 6-6. To the posters on this board, has the reality finally sunk in yet?

The Skins have a way's to go before they're an elite NFL team again. We need to draft, draft, draft, but we only have 5 picks next year. We need a young GM like the Chiefs have and we need a no name head coach like the one's on the Steelers, Bucs, and Falcons.

Don't worry Snyder will sell something else in the offseason to the fans, with the annual Skins Offseason Bonanza just around the corner. Let's say this in unison, "Stop going to the games and giving Danny Boy your money." When Snyder's pockets are hurting, only then will he stop relying on the false hope tactics that he's used during his ownership.

Posted by: trueredskinsfan | December 6, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

This defense hasn't been able to stop teams ALL SEASON.


Don't post this.

I did the other day, and some cat lost his mind for an afternoon complaining about it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Greg, agree to disagree...I mean, they played backups and we played backups. It's oversimplifying things to say it's all on the coaches when it's obvious their backups are better than ours.

(And their backups are actual backups. We're starting backups to begin with.)

That's what effective drafting does. Vinny's mess, not Shanahan's. Shanny isn't living up to his "genius" title, but he's not 100% to blame either.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

When you run a team into the ground and show no way for improvement, no direction and poor management…Who would agree to come to this team. No…You will not attract the good players.

Posted by: fat_back | December 6, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Last season it was supposedly all Campbell's fault and McNabb would prove that this team was good after all. Campbell sucks so bad the Raiders won on the road yesterday against the Chargers and are 6-6. To the posters on this board, has the reality finally sunk in yet?

Posted by: trueredskinsfan | December 6, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse


Here's another exhibit of the kind of idiocy that's spawned on this blog from time to time.

It's the idiocy of examining the Redskins woes this season and somehow finding a connection to Jason Campbell and citing how "well" he's playing.

Of course, we got rid of Jason Campbell - yes, that is a major major part of the issue here. That move doomed us.

And he was so stellar yesterday. He completed all of 10 passes in the game after being forced back into the starting lineup b/c the real starter got injured.

Boy, we sure do miss that guy around here.

The Giants game yesterday would have been so different if only we'd had Jason Campbell and his 10 completions in the lineup.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Anybody but me tired of hearing the endless excuses and rationalizations of this team? Every year it's the same thing. Preseason starts and they're a playoff team if not a Superbowl candidate. Season starts and they start out pretty well. Season progresses and they fall apart, ending in the dumps. Excuses, excuses, excuses. Changing two schemes in one season was idiotic and the procrustean bed approach to "you fit my scheme or else" has only caused some talented players to be talented elsewhere. Every year, no draft picks. Every year overpaid undermotivated players. Every year same results. Even little kids learn faster than this.

Posted by: jbkulp | December 6, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I was pleasantly surprised by James Davis, he ran hard and looked quicker than any of the other backs


Agreed.

Davis did indeed run much harder than he did against the vikes.

I'd like to see the kid get more carries.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

brown, all I'm saying is what moe said, this team hasn't been good defensively all year long...as I stated in the previous post, if I'm shanny/allen, I'd entertain trade offers on EVERY player on this team...rak/#30/cooley every single one of them....cut it all the way back to the bone...then, and only then can you let it heal....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

For me it wasn't about JC being so great. It was keeping him for a year and using that 2nd round pick we gave up for McNabb to add another o lineman. McNabb isn't playing that much better than JC did last year with the Skins. A matter of fact you could say he has turn the ball over more than JC. We would also have our 3rd round pick in this upcoming draft to use to possible move up and get Cam Newton. This team was more than a QB away from winning it all.

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Request to the folks who actually control this team, PLEASE OHH PLEASE can we not have a knee-jerk reaction on this one instance? Skins are in dire need of draft picks. releasing AH right now would be HORRIBLE mismanagement of this team!

Play AH, show the league what he can do. Atleast start the rumors that they're going back to 4-3 next year. get his value up. and then trade him for at least a 4th/3rd(to a sucker).

BTW I am off the McNaab bandwagon. trade him to a sucker (minn>)and never was a fan of lil shanny. big shanny...i don't know about but never liked lil shanny but you guys told me he ran the #1 offense...whateves...i don'tk now how much "running" he did in houston.

i would trade everyone except cooley, rakpo, trent williams and landry.

GUT THIS SUCKER! (but get lots of picks back for it!)

Posted by: dealer1 | December 6, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I understand why Snyder likes to hire Big Names From Other Teams (ala Deion, McNabb, Spurrier, Shanahan). It's excellent marketing, even when you lose!

If a no-name coach came in and started off 4-4, then went 1-3 with divisional blowouts sandwiching a shaky OT win after the bye week, few would defend him and ticket sales would drop.

If a no-name QB came in, was hailed as a major upgrade at the position, and proceeded to throw 12TDs-15INTs while establishing a 75.2 QB rating, all worse than his predecessor, most would judge that a FAIL.

The team has very little homegrown talent, although I give Shahallen credit for finding some young, homegrown talent like TWill (no-brainer), BBanks, and AArmstrong.


I wonder what the team would be like if Snyder had hired Grilliams as head coach for continuity (which he said he wanted at the time) after Gibbs, and let Zorn coach up Campbell as a QB coach... Grilliams interview many times over many hours.

I can't help wondering what prevented Grilliams from getting hired (did he want to fire Vinny? did he want to hire his own staff? did he say, "Boss, this is going to require a 2 year rebuilding process."?)

Posted by: Alan4 | December 6, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Coughlin v. Shanny

When I think of Coughlin's handling of Plaxico Burress for years w/ the GMen, it only makes Shanny's bungling of the AH saga more pronounced.

Coughlin was as big an egotistical disciplinarian jerk as any coach in the league.

Plaxico was the WR poster-boy for really talented player with a lousy work ethic and bad attitude toward discipline. COughling fined hin out the wahzoo b/c of a long litany of missing meetings, showing up late, etc.

Plax spent a season barely practicing b/c of a mysterious ankle injury that never went away, but he continued to make the starting lineup and kill it in games.

The point is that Coughlin figured out a way to manage a malcontent diva in a way that didn't adversely affect the team, and, in fact, led to a Superbowl victory with Plax catching the winning TD.

Of course Plax ended up shooting himself in the foot...errrr...thigh.

Anyhow, just some food for thought.

Remember we are paying Mike Shanahan about $8million a year to lead this organization and manage the players. As quick as we are to point out how AH isn't earning his paycheck, what do we think of the other guy so far?

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Don Meredith died. I know he was a cowboy but I loved him on MNF. Entertaining dude.

Posted by: will_ga | December 6, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"This defense hasn't been able to stop teams ALL SEASON."


Dallas, Philly (the first game), Tennessee, and the Bears all send their regards.

Looks like I'll be taking another RI vacation...my blood pressure doesn't need this right now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

twisi

That the majority of players Shanny thought he could count on as starters on the oline and dline, he can't.


Shanahan wanted all the power.

How has it worked out for him?:

---he counted on AH to play nose guard

That hasn't panned out.

---he counted on Andre Carter to play OLB opposite B Orakpo

That hasn't panned out.

---he traded for an injured right tackle.

The jury is out on that one.

---he traded for an obviously flawed veteren quarterback.

That hasn't panned out.

---he shed the dregs of Zorn/Marty/Gibbs/Spurrier and added used to good vets as playmakers

That hasn't panned out, either.

Perhaps, as Pat Bowlen found out, Shanahan shouldn't have so much power.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

...And he was so stellar yesterday. He completed all of 10 passes in the game after being forced back into the starting lineup b/c the real starter got injured...

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 10:14 AM

I've been told many times on this blog stats don't mean sh!t, except W's and L's.

How about this one: 5-1 as a starter.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 6, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

yesterday was totally depressing... i was just as angry/disgusted/depressed/jealous (of the giants...) as anyone.... during the game i wanted to "blow up the team" too, hire new coaches etc...and start over....

now i'm getting my composure back. i think anyone who wants to give up on shanny et. al. now is being just like dan snyder has been over the past 10+ years. my point is i don't want idiots like me and dan making these decisions...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 6, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

rak/#30/cooley every single one of them....cut it all the way back to the bone...then, and only then can you let it heal....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 10:21 AM


Right...you've gotta cut off your head to truly heal. Good call.

Brownwood out.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Here's another exhibit of the kind of idiocy that's spawned on this blog from time to time.

It's the idiocy of examining the Redskins woes this season and somehow finding a connection to Jason Campbell and citing how "well" he's playing.

Of course, we got rid of Jason Campbell - yes, that is a major major part of the issue here. That move doomed us.

And he was so stellar yesterday. He completed all of 10 passes in the game after being forced back into the starting lineup b/c the real starter got injured.

Boy, we sure do miss that guy around here.

The Giants game yesterday would have been so different if only we'd had Jason Campbell and his 10 completions in the lineup.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 10:14 AM

I guess I have to clarify my comments. If Jason Campbell was the Redskins QB yesterday the Skins still would've gotten blown out. When did I ever say the Skins would've won yesterday with Campbell as their QB? Can you people not read? The only idiocy is the fans who were screaming weeks ago we'd be 10-6. I said the Skins don't have enough talent. The Skins never have enough talent. McNabb, Campbell it doesn't matter who your QB is if your running game is nonexistent, your OL is mediocre and you don't have a game changing WR.

I'm making a point that the Skins have had plenty of problems on the OL, WR, RB, DL and secondary over the Snyder era. These problems still exist today. If Michael Vick was our QB we'd still stink. Now I remember why I only post once a year on this board. Skins fans are truly delusional.

Posted by: trueredskinsfan | December 6, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

brown, the 1/4 of the year sample is pretty weak in the big picture, it ignores the 8 other games they've played, and their dead last ranking overall...kinda like saying the offense is doing great, I mean, they scored 28 points against houston, and philly....

this team sucks...and yeah, I expected more out of these coach's....and more out of allen....don't give excuses, give me results....and this team can't produce them...they're all, coach's on down, responsible for this unmitigated disaster...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

For me it wasn't about JC being so great. It was keeping him for a year and using that 2nd round pick we gave up for McNabb to add another o lineman. McNabb isn't playing that much better than JC did last year with the Skins. A matter of fact you could say he has turn the ball over more than JC. We would also have our 3rd round pick in this upcoming draft to use to possible move up and get Cam Newton. This team was more than a QB away from winning it all.

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse


The universe of possibilities was not limited to either keeping JC or trading for McNabb.

I didn't like blowing the picks on McNabb either. That doesn't mean we should have kept JC. THere were other options.

JC needed to go. He was a loser and his presence on the team was an albatross around the organization's neck (not all his fault).

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Davis did indeed run much harder than he did against the vikes.

I'd like to see the kid get more carries.

------------

I think he would have, minus the big defecit. It looked like Keiland Williams was more of a 3rd down/passing situation back yesterday, and the whole 2nd half was passing situation lol.

Posted by: nami322 | December 6, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

For me the Shanahan honeymoon ended after the McNabb benching debacle explanation fiasco. Just seems like a different vibe from the team now. Shanahan has proven he can coach in this league but the players, coaching, and game plans just aren't working out the way everyone hoped they would months ago. Do hope we get to see different personnel over the next few games so we can see if anyone else can perform at all.

Posted by: will_ga | December 6, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

follow the leader to the new Haynesworth poll, where your opinion counts.

follow

beep-beep

Posted by: beep-beep | December 6, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

At least we agree giving up the draft picks was stupid and I will leave it at that.

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

The universe of possibilities was not limited to either keeping JC or trading for McNabb....


Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 10:37 AM

Once you traded for McNabb, you had to trade JC. Like it or not, McNabb would have been looking over his shoulder at JC right now and there would be a lot more calls to bench McNabb if JC was waiting in the wings.

It's neither QB's fault though, given the bad O-line play, lack of running game, and passes dropped. The overall offense has stunk for a long time.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 6, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"
I wonder what the team would be like if Snyder had hired Grilliams as head coach for continuity (which he said he wanted at the time) after Gibbs, and let Zorn coach up Campbell as a QB coach... Grilliams interview many times over many hours.

I can't help wondering what prevented Grilliams from getting hired (did he want to fire Vinny? did he want to hire his own staff? did he say, "Boss, this is going to require a 2 year rebuilding process."?)"

Alan4, this keeps me up at night too....If Grilliams had flopped, failed to build on gibbs 2.0 then Snyder would have still been in position for the 'Splash hire....Not hiring Grilliams and firining Marty after that season, to me were key "what could have beens"

Oh well...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 6, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"Landry, Rogers, & Haynesworth where out, but yeah, Haslett is the problem"

matt, when they were in the team was still ranked 35th in total defense....

The giants were missing 3 ol guys, and 2 wideouts, and still managed to run over the redskins, and score 31 points....put that in your pipe and smoke it...

What adjustments did Haz make yesterday to counter the weak offensive line, and lack of wideouts by the Giants....I'll await your answer....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse
------------------------------------

They were 5-6 up to last week, so unless you want to debate 5/6 vs 4/12, I think that should take care of your first comment.

Second, you can screw the defensive game plan when the offense starts the game punt, missed FG, punt, fumble, then to start the second half, it goes punt, punt, fumble, TD, INT, punt (blocked)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 6, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 10:14 AM

I've been told many times on this blog stats don't mean sh!t, except W's and L's.

How about this one: 5-1 as a starter.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 6, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse


???

Jason Campbell is not 5-1 as a starter for Oakland. He lost games to Tennessee and SanFrancisco (where he posted a 10.7 rating). He started the Pittsburgh game (which they lost). He started the St.Louis game and was well on his way to losing until he got pulled for Bruce Grdkowski who led a comeback victory.

Not that it's really relevant to the Skins.

If we are tabulating QB wins-losses in that fashion, why don't you go look up McNabb's record for the Eagles, and then come back and we can continue this conversation.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse


Again...if you expected more of Hicks and Lichtensteiger, YOU'RE the idiot.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 6, 2010 9:36 AM |

an idiot is one who continually defends a football team that is the perennial SB offseason champion. and don't come at us with YOU CRITISIZE the redskins, you're a walking and talking PR guy for the redskins, especially dirt ball mcnabb

I don't know brown, we've known who they are now for 10-11 years. let me ask you to put the optimism to the side, aren't you sick of not only losing, but also the way we lose ?

Posted by: hessone | December 6, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I never post here anymore, in no small part because the Skins stink and I've never been more apathetic to them than I have been this year for some reason, but brownwood, come on man, it's OK to criticize Shanahan sometimes. Anyone who thinks trading for McNabb has worked out this year is in denial, the 3-4 switch hasn't panned out at all thus far, the AH situation was badly mismanaged (by both sides), and ever since the bye week we've been awful. Everyone deserves blame, and with our age and lack of draft picks, it's hard to see us being viable in the playoff picture for 2-3 seasons...

Posted by: mattylight | December 6, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Some of you should stick to hockey cuz u dont pay much attention to football.

Shanahan inherited an absolute mess. Sorta like thinking Obama could clear up 40 years of bad politics in his first 90 days.

Shanahan has been consistent in 1 aspect: u dont practice well u dont play. Banks was not practicing poorly, he was recovering from surgery. He returns punts. He didnt need to practice. Like benching the kicker or the holder. they dont do enough to "practice poorly"

This team is going in the direction of younger players & not paying over-the-hill vets king's ransoms. Good way to build a winning franchise, not some 1-season wonder. We drafted lineman, and some good young receivers. Banks, great return man. Austin has potential to be a great slot receiver. TWill, franchise LT. McNabb has improved throughout the season. His QB rating is starting to go in the right direction finally. Armstrong is becoming a good speedy complement to Moss.

some personnel moves cant be made at one time. We need to draft another DE like Orakpo. Draft a NT. Draft some more o-linemen. That takes time. Draft a true FS. Draft a long-term QB. Draft a RB. you can't get all this in 1 year or thru free agency and the Skins are finally going about it the right way.

This approach is long-term. U think Dallas got Ratliff, Ware, Brooking, etc. in 1 draft? yea right. Umeniyora, Tuck, and that Jean-Paul aint come at one time so what kinda magic u think Haslett got?

We had a "top 10' defense & won 4 games last year. So maybe a change in culture was needed cuz we aint make it to the playoffs with all those "great" defenses. I still recall that 52-14 Patriot ass-kicking and the game we gave away to the undefeated Saints last year.

3-4 was a change in mentality, not necessarily scheme. Its an aggressive def that works but we need the players to execute, which we dont have yet. i'm impressed with the coaching leadership and focus they are giving the team, particularly in personnel decisions. If u dont fit, they aint waiting 3 years & 100 mill later to let u go. lazy Devin Thomas, gone. Joey Galloway cant catch a pass, gone. Malcolm Kelly cant get healthy, IR. Shanahan aint playing, not even the radio with this team & once he get that core of players who wants to play for the Redskins u will see some success.

More players r becoming integrated n the offense every week. Fred Davis is getting more catches. Sellers is catching balls. Armstrong had his best game Sunday. RBs have looked pretty decent. I like James Davis. Banks gives us good field position we never had with Randle El. Progress is being made, most of u cant see it cuz u looking at teams that have been doing it the right way for so many years.

Posted by: bookman06 | December 6, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

These guys, save a few, are no effort punks!! They need to stop dancing and posing after a tackle on a 15 yard gain by the opponent. They need to stop spinning the ball and flexing after a five yard catch on third and nine. This crap is getting old. I am in my early forties and grew up during the hay days but this team becomes more and more difficult to follow week by week. Bring back the good ol' days!

Posted by: imcapeman | December 6, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Quick Question (and maybe a stupid one):
Is Cam Newton eligible to enter the NFL draft after this season?

Posted by: ZornInMySide | December 6, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Quick Question (and maybe a stupid one):
Is Cam Newton eligible to enter the NFL draft after this season?

Posted by: ZornInMySide | December 6, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Quick Question (and maybe a stupid one):
Is Cam Newton eligible to enter the NFL draft after this season?

Posted by: ZornInMySide | December 6, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

This idea that the Redskins have had a Top-10 defense for most of the last decade is a joke. Numbers can and do lie. Seriously, when does anybody remember when the defense made a really big stop at an important time in the game, any game, over the last ten years? One number that doesn't lie is forced turnovers, and I'm willing to bet the Redskins fall near the bottom of the pack over the last ten years. I do remember one year where they had something like 10 forced turnovers the entire season, an NFL "record". Somebody prove me wrong.

Posted by: redhotCAPSaicin | December 6, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

AWESOME, NOW THE DEADSKINS SAY THEY MUST "REGAIN THEIR FOCUS"

THOSE CLOWNS COULDN'T SPELL FOCUS,(AND THE POOR IGNORANT DOLTS IN THE STANDS THAT PART WITH THEIR HARD EARNED DOUGH EVERY WEEK ARE THE ONLY ONES GOING TO GET FOKUS'D!!!)

AS FAR AS THE "JOKE OF THE NFL" IS TO ACCOMPLISHING THIS ALICE IN WONDERLAND QUEST IS CONCERNED THEY'D BETTER START THEIR SEARCH BY DETERMINING IF THERE IS EVEN A REMOTE POTENTIAL OF HIRING STEVIE WONDER OR JOSE FELICIANO TO LEAD THE CHARGE!!!!
HECK, WHY NOT, $NYDER HAS HIRED EVERYONE ELSE..........
BOTTOM LINE: YA' REALLY GOTTA' LOVE THE DEADSKINS, THEY'VE DONE MORE GIVING THAT SANTA FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS!

IF I WERE THOSE NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES THAT WANTED THE NAME CHANGED, I'D BE HAMMERING ON THE DOOR OF THE SUPREME COURT TEN TIMES AS HARD FOR CHRISMAS, HELL, NAME EVEN ONE JUDGE WHO WOULDN'T SIDE WITH THEM RIGHT NOW!!!!!
WHEW, ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THAT SMELL IS??????

Posted by: burro2 | December 6, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

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