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DeAngelo Hall/Phillip Daniels Update

The Redskins are scheduled to meet with Joel Segal, the agent for free agent CB DeAngelo Hall, at the combine today/tonight, according to league sources. The Skins want to sign Hall to a long-term deal and their best chance of keeping him off the open market would be to make a strong pitch this weekend. (If the Skins don't get Hall, and opt to cut Shawn Springs to save $6 million in cap space, recently cut corners Drayton Florence, Dre Bly and Leigh Bodden are all names that have come up in past personnel meetings at Redskins Park, according to team sources, and are players who could interest the team if the price is right (i.e. cheap).

Segal also represents QB Jason Campbell, but to this point the Skins have displayed no interest in extending his contract beyond the one year remaining on it. I wouldn't anticipate much movement on that this weekend. The Skins remain several million over the cap, and Hall could well be the only major signing they make.

DE Phillip Daniels, meantime, has a contract for the next two years, but it voids automatically prior to the start of free agency, meaning the veteran will in fact be an unresticted free agent when the market opens on Thursday. Daniels is coming off of season-negating surgery and the Skins have displayed an interest in re-signing him, according to sources, but signing him now is not a priority and he will get a chance to see if other teams have interest.

When Daniels contract voids the Skins will get roughly $2 million in cap relief, though with just two NFL proven DEs under contract right now (Andre Carter and Jason Taylor), and Taylor a candidate to be a cap cut himself, the team will surely have to find an end or two, and that salary will eat back into that $2-million savings.

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 20, 2009; 9:47 AM ET
 
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Rypien 11's wet dream of the day:

We sign 2 FAs: Jason Brown and Vernon Carey.

We trade our 1st and 3rd rounders for 3 2nd rounders, and pick up Duke Robinson, a DT, and an OLB.

Thats FIVE NEW LINEMAN who would be an improvement over what we had last year.

A man can dream, can't he?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 20, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I think Evans deserves to be considered a proven DE. J-Taylor was proven at one point, and proved last year that he's beyond his years for a proven DE.

JLA you're still a tubby dork

Posted by: Devo2 | February 20, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

How can Daniels be under contract for 2 years, yet his contract voids this year?

The way you reported it, his contract ends on Thursday and there is nothing either side can do about it.

Can someone explain how that equals 2 years left on the contract?

Posted by: HokiePaul | February 20, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Ok, the Hall situation could actually shape up nicely for us if we play our cards right. With Florence, Bodden, Bly out there, maybe we could get a reverse-auction going?

None of those guys are going to demand Asante Samuel type contracts.

Let Jason play for a pay-day.

Just re-sign Daniels at vet minimum; he's a good DE for this system (if he can stay healthy).

Posted by: p1funk | February 20, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

without taking away practice reps that would actually allow him to do so.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who |

That is the key point I think. The skins need to give him all the resources to succeed or fail. Once they do that, JC's play will determine the next steps taken.

Posted by: TWISI

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Precisely

Posted by: psps23 | February 20, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Also, the most recent reports hint towards Jason Taylor remaining with the Redskins.

I guess its not inaccurate to say that he remains a "candidate" to be a cap cut, but doesn't that apply to about half the teams roster at this point. Seems like just blind speculation going against everything anyone inside the organization has publically said.

Posted by: HokiePaul | February 20, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Also, the most recent reports hint towards Jason Taylor remaining with the Redskins.

I guess its not inaccurate to say that he remains a "candidate" to be a cap cut, but doesn't that apply to about half the teams roster at this point. Seems like just blind speculation going against everything anyone inside the organization has publically said.

Posted by: HokiePaul | February 20, 2009 10:12 AM

The reports only say that they Skins would like to have Taylor back. They don't say the Skins are willing to pay him $8.5 million that's in his contract. So, he will either renegotiate or he will be cut.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

JLC formula for Redskins Insider-
Salary cap criticism
Roster criticism
Personnel department criticism
No positive suggestions or alternative
Shake well, post.

Posted by: jaldrichl | February 20, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I'd take Leigh Bodden over DeAngelo. You shouldn't have to pay too much for burnt toast.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 20, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

The Madden GM must weigh in on this:

Cut Springs...

Cut Washington...

Re-do Taylor's contract (if possible) by giving him the major portion of his contract as a 'signing bonus' and then paying him at a much lower rate...

Sign Hall...

Sign Bly...

Re-sign Evans to an affordable contract...

Re-sign K Campbell to an affordable contract

Wave 'bye-bye' to Pete Kendall...

Wave 'bye-bye' to the obviously mis-named Thrash who's been a wimp for us.

Shake C Griffin's hand, and then issue him out of the building.....

Make an offer to B Scott....

Make an offer to A Haynesworth....

Make and offer to V Carey that the fins won't match....

Hope to sign two of the three guys you made offers to.....

...lite the cigar and await the draft....

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 20, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Moe - I dont think we have to offer Taylor a signing bonus. Vet min is all he gets. I doubt anyone else would pick him up off waivers.

Agreed on Springs, Marcus, Hall, Bly, Thrash, Kendall, Griffin.

No to Scott - too old. Don't want any FAs over 28.

Same goes for Haynesworth - too much $$ we need elsewhere, maybe character issues, may become lazy. We are NOT one player away.

YES to Carey. See first comment of this post.

Wouldn't mind another WR either - Moore, Henderson, Nate Washington?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 20, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Mista Moe I respectfully disagree with your analysis.

if you sign hall no need to sign bly. keep griff and add a DT through the draft or FA.

No OFFERS to haynesworth or Carey

Put Rhino a LG and call it a day.

You are never going to find out what rhino can do unless you put him in. Derrick Dockery was terrible his rookie season but look how that worked out. sometimes these coaches are waiting for these guys to become seasoned vets on the sideline, it dont work like that

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 20, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"Re-do Taylor's contract (if possible) by giving him the major portion of his contract as a 'signing bonus' and then paying him at a much lower rate..."

Does that work? I think it only works if it's a multi-year contract. I don't think it changes anything if it's a one year deal.

Posted by: psps23 | February 20, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

PSP, I think you can also make performance bonuses.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 20, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

They need to get the Hall deal done. There are not many #1 corners in the NFL and the draft has always been a crap shoot.

Posted by: BT23 | February 20, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

There are not many #1 corners in the NFL and the draft has always been a crap shoot.

Posted by: BT23 | February 20, 2009 10:56 AM

There aren't, but Hall is not one of them and he shouldn't be paid as if he were. That's what this is about. Hall is a risk, having blown up on two other teams.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I would say get the Hall deal done and then give rogers a good deal, and lock up 2 starting caliber CB's for the next 4-5 years

Posted by: alex35332 | February 20, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

There aren't, but Hall is not one of them and he shouldn't be paid as if he were. That's what this is about. Hall is a risk, having blown up on two other teams.

Posted by: talent_evaluator


T_E,

Surely you can't compare the then-dysfunctional Falcons and the always-dysfunctional Raiders to our beloved team. I mean it's obvious that we would be able to keep him in line with our veteran coaching staff and seasoned front office (said with tongue in cheek).

Posted by: RITCA | February 20, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"... just two NFL proven DEs under contract right now (Andre Carter and Jason Taylor)"--JLaC

"I think Evans deserves to be considered a proven DE...JLA you're still a tubby dork"--Devo2

Whether Jasno is a Tubby Dork notwithstanding, he's right and you're wrong here. Evans is NOT "under contract" and is in fact a free agent. Granted he SHOULD be, but that's in the lap of the FO, not the WP.

Glass houses and such as....

And before MrRedskin21 attaches the electrodes to his frontal lobes and makes ready to fire off one of those witty putdowns he's so, very VERY famous for, let me note that the stuff about Daniels status and voiding of contracts etc. is incomplete, confusing and otherwise sloppy journalism.


Posted by: TheCork | February 20, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

'...Does that work?...'


What are we in bed?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 20, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I changed my mind....

Its all about winning righ?

Let get Haynesworth.

He was a candidate for Defensive player of the year.

And this one player can make a difference. He will command double teams....that will allow our not so great ends to get to the QB.

Face it that is one of our main problems.

Offensive line
Defensive Line

Haynesworth will help. My thing is if we can make it work then get him. Think about it. If we can cut some people or redo some contracts and still get Haynesworth then thats fine. If we have the money go get him.

This is not the time to be cheap. I will not go another season 8-8.

If we stay with the same d-line they will not command double teams and the team will be the same. Its about improving right?

Then lets fuc... get Haynesworth
Will all know its going to happen..... and we'll all be smilling.

Now I think we have to be smart about the contract like putting a bunch of incentives...but hell why the fu....would you not want him

why not sign Haynesworth based on what he has done?

Let's not assume....as of right now he is one of the best d-line man in the leauge...

why not get him?

If you can answer that I would really appreciate it.

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 20, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Did you hear about Snyder's latest marketing scheme?

He's having the NFL Network merge with HGTV for a new show:

Franchise Flipping - Redskins Renovation

Posted by: RITCA | February 20, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the information on Daniels and Hall....I only heard it a day ago on the Lockerroom in an interview with Vinny Cerrato whom you hate so much.....

Personally I think we should pick Brian Orakpo and resign Evans and Hall. With Evans and wilson as a spped rush on 3rd down that makes for a good mix on the outside edge.

We could aslo pick up Stacy Andrews on the cheap for OL depth and maybe starter...has experience at both guards and RT.

Posted by: sources | February 20, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor is in a fine position. If he stays with the 'skins and makes the team, he gets 8.5M. If he gets cut, he can pick whichever team he wants and play for half. Plenty of team will take a chance on him for 4M they don't have the cap problems.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 20, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Stacy Andrews is handicapped through 2009 so that won't work unless you are signing him cheap to pan out in 2 years.

That was real lazy by Jasno on the Phillip Daniels details. Good job dude.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 20, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Plenty of team will take a chance on him for 4M they don't have the cap problems.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 20, 2009 11:28 AM

ben, The reason they don't have cap problems is because they don't waste big bucks on over-the-hill types like Jason Taylor. So, no, he's not going to be getting $4m anywhere in the league this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

All this Haynesworth talk is useless. No way the Skins will be able to match offers for him when going against teams that have 20-30 million under the cap. Don't see it happening

Posted by: ga8085 | February 20, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

he's not going to be getting $4m anywhere in the league this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 11:35 AM |

Of course not, he will get 6 to 8.5 with the skins.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 20, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

To the JLC critics:
Go to the Skins site for rah-rah coverage.
This franchise, by any measuring stick save for non-football revenue, has been terribly mismanaged. Cerrato is a well known piker amongst his peers in the NFL. Why do you think Gibbs and Marty S. demanded not to have Cerrato over them?
Until Snyder finds a real GM, the criticism is valid. Or do you enjoy paying the highest ticket prices in the NFL? JLC is just doing his job -- reporting on a dysfunctional franchise at the top.

Posted by: slh00 | February 20, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Two in one day? Man, it's just like in the regular season!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Plenty of team will take a chance on him for 4M they don't have the cap problems.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 20, 2009 11:28 AM

ben, The reason they don't have cap problems is because they don't waste big bucks on over-the-hill types like Jason Taylor. So, no, he's not going to be getting $4m anywhere in the league this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 11:35 AM


I disagree t_e.

Jason Taylor would receive offers like that from either Dallas or New England in a second if he were available, and for only 4 million???

Belichick likes veteran LB - In NE, I can see him playing LB on 3rd downs, and rotating as DE.

Sort of like the way, I wish he were used here - even if you don't want to run a 4-3/3-4 hybrid, line Taylor up as a linebacker, and have Daniels as DE on 3rd downs.

Is that so hard, or bad?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 20, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Shake C Griffin's hand, and then issue him out of the building.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 20, 2009 10:38 AM |

Dude, that is cold. I agree with the moves though. Hope Vinny could just get it right by accident

Posted by: Ejayraptor | February 20, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Go with youth on the DL with draft picks, resign Golston and Montgomery to reasonable deals and then perhaps sign ONE mid-tier free agent.

Let Jason Taylor go, let Daniels go, let Cornelius Griffin go.

Posted by: leopard09 | February 20, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

JLC, you always report that Joel Segal is Hall's agent. He is co-represented by Alvin Keels and has been for his last 2 contracts.

Posted by: MadeRED | February 20, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

A guy like Haynesworth will do us no good if you can't get pressure from the edges also. Plus as mentioned already...too costly.

Posted by: joeboggs | February 20, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Before everybody starts hammering Hall for getting "too much money", try to remember this; these guys only have around a 7-10 year window in which to make 20 to 90 million dollars. After that, their options are limited to try to somehow survive with little income except for the 60 grand they'll get annually from the pension. It's hard to score any hoes on that kind of money.

Posted by: tdpillo123 | February 20, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I hope that if we decide to get rid of Jason Taylor that we can trade him for something, considering we paid highly for him only 1 year ago

Posted by: cbshr22 | February 21, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

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