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Defense comes up short as Redskins lose

In an odd twist, it was the Redskins' offense that battled back and their high-priced defense that let them down late in Sunday's 31-17 loss at Atlanta.

On a day on which the Redskins matched their season-high with 17 points scored, they also allowed a season-high 31. The game marked the team's fourth straight loss.
The Washington offense put together second-half scoring drives of 80 yards and 81 - the team's longest touchdown drives of the season - and suddenly, just a couple of minutes into the final quarter, the Redskins trailed the Falcons by just one touchdown.

But the defense couldn't stop Atlanta when it needed to. Michael Turner slipped through an obstacle course of Washington defenders - LaRon Landry and DeAngelo Hall both failed to wrap him - and ran 58 yards into the end zone.

Despite the miserable first half, the Redskins actually finished the day with just one fewer first down than Atlanta (18-17), but more passing yards (176-125), more total yards (312 to 306) and a time-of-possession advantage ( 33:32 to 25:52).

But the Redskins also allowed five sacks - all in the first half - and quarterback Jason Campbell was twice knocked out of the game.

After a strong third quarter, the Redskins opened the fourth with a three-yard touchdown pass from Campbell to tight end Todd Yoder. On third-and-goal, Campbell rolled right but saw coverage everywhere. At the least moment, he spotted Yoder and hit him in the corner of the end zone. The Falcons challenged the play, unsure whether Yoder got both feet in-bounds, but the officials did not overturn the call.

So after a disastrous start - facing their largest halftime deficit of the season - the Redskins turned it into a one-possession game just two minutes into the final quarter.
But four minutes into the quarter, Campbell was sent scrambling for a one-yard gain and hurt his ankle. He was slow getting up and left the game for a second time, again replaced by Todd Collins. On the same play, tackle Mike Williams also hurt his ankle and removed himself from the game.

The offense kept moving, crossing midfield. But on fourth-and-1 from the Falcons' 44-yard line, Collins' play-action pass to Mike Sellers resulted in a two-yard loss. Washington gave up possession, and never had another serious chance at scoring.
Turner led the Falcons with 166 yards on 18 carries and two touchdowns. Atlanta quarterback Matt Ryan was 17-of-24 for 135 yards passing with an interception.

For the Redskins, Campbell finished the game 15-of-21 passing for 196 yards. He had a touchdown and an interception.

Replacing the injured Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts had 70 rushing yards on 15 carries and a touchdown. Santana Moss had five receptions for 47 yards, while Sellers had three for 56. Starting receiver Devin Thomas did not have a catch against the Falcons, and replacing an injured Chris Cooley, tight end Fred Davis finished with 26 yards on two receptions.

After all the talk early in the week about the team's punt returner, the Redskins had just one return against the Falcons - Hall for minus-2 yards.

By Rick Maese  |  November 8, 2009; 4:03 PM ET
 
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Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 8, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

First also to say NO WIN

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 8, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Moss and Landry should get alot of credit, too, for the loss. Collins put the ball right in Moss' hands.
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JC lost this game single handed.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 8, 2009 4:11 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 8, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

From Expedia.com

$157.99 + $24.80 taxes & fees = $182.79

1:05 pm Depart Washington (IAD)
Arrive Seattle (SEA) 11:11 pm Mon 9-Nov
Duration: 13hr 6mn American Airlines 263

US Airways 1514 / 77 Connect in Los Angeles (LAX), Phoenix (Sky Harbor Intl.)

I couldn't find any flights out of Atlanta to Seattle today, so JZ might as well take the charter back to DC, pack everything up and head out once the press conference is held in the morning. Sure it's two connections, but JZ might want to start pinching the pennies since he'll never work in the NFL again.

All Hail Greg Blatche!

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: jayrockers | November 8, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

this game was lost because LL can't tackle.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 8, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Still bad. Line sux, fire Vinny.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 8, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

i love the logic of mentioning DT as not having a catch...up till the 4th quarter moss had 3 catches for NONE yards...then suddenly in the 4th, they remembered he was on the team....just stupid...don't mention that the first half playcalling was absolutely stupid...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

thanks fred davis for costing us this game!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 8, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

This post is crap. 7 of the Falcons 31 came from the Redskins offense.

The same offense that does NOTHING in the first half of every game, then tries to play catch-up in every second half, only to be "let down" by the #4 ranked defense in the NFL.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiigggghhhhhttttt.

Campbell sucks donkey d**ks.

Zorn sucks.

The O-line sucks.

Hall & Landry's tackling sucks.

Rogers playing 20 yards off of Roddy White sucks.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 8, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

F the refs for those sorry arse calls that cost the skins a win!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 8, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

can't wait to hear the JZ presser...I've gotta know if he called that 4th down play...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

As I've said, if the team has to end up 2-14 to get rid of Cerrato, then so be it. But, if I were in charge, this is what I would do:

1. Alternate between Collins and Campbell. Let the best man win here. Open up the QB job to competition.
2. Start rotating the 2nd and 3rd string players on offense.
3. Have a team meeting with Snyder, Cerrato, and Zorn present telling the whole team that everyone is now auditioning for his job next year.
4. Determine who wants to play and do well and who just wants a paycheck. Get rid of the latter and keep the former.


Other things that I would do is have a meeting between Snyder, Cerrato, and Zorn. I would create a spreadsheet with every player's name, jersey number, position, and salary. Then I would have add a column that would evaluate whether the player is worth the salary, something like a price-to-earnings ratio. Then I would have three more columns: keep next year, on the bubble, and cut. I would continuously update that spreadsheet after every game.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 8, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

We need a Mike F***ing Singletary to come on this team next year and run these ladies up a giant dirt mound.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 8, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

That's a long flight, I've made that trip a couple of times and it's only 5 hours. Sorry JZ you just can't catch a break.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | November 8, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If AH would not gave gotten involved in the shabingus, the skins would have won this game!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 8, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

START WOODSON!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I would fire Zorn right now and make promote Blache to Head Coach whether he agrees or not.

Sherm Lewis would be OC and the other Sherm would call plays per Lewis's direction.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

curz, you're blaming a lot of guys....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Skins would have won this game if Mike Singletary was our coach!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 8, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

JZ presser - "The first half offense could have been like the second half offense. It could have but it wasn't."

WHAT??

Talking about fight the team had in playing. . .sure in 3rd Quarter totally agree but rest of game really?
Buges got in face of o-line at halftime.
It's a tough game and you'll get knocked down well so what get up and keep going.

At least he said it was horrible playing by all basically and as it is going on he is ripping into more people and not being too much Mr. Nice Guy.

Posted by: sfskin | November 8, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Skins should have an open try-outs for the team, for about 3/4 of their positions. Cause the guys they are paying now are not any better then JV scrubs and walk-ons.

Posted by: nowhine | November 8, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder will blame the media and the fans for the loss.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 8, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

someone needs to take this keyboard away from me. please.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 8, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Anyone recall the last Redskins game you watched with anything other than jaw-dropping, abject horror? That 3rd and 4th quarter surge felt so... bizarre... yet refreshing. But it's a bit like a hot girlfriend who's dumped you deciding to give you one more evening. You get your hopes up that all's going to turn out great and then...

Posted by: fan-o-matic | November 8, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I think this info will reside with the unfound Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.. No one will ever find out.
Unless Snyder does a "man-up" and decides to eat Zorn's Contract and fire him. But you know he wont.. Snyder will keep hiding like a weasel at Redskins Park, avoiding Zorn and hoping he quits and saves him 6 million.
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can't wait to hear the JZ presser...I've gotta know if he called that 4th down play...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2009 4:19 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 8, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

This is Curzon's wife. Curzon has been stripped of his blogging responsibilities and may be let go by weeks end.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 8, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

If you weren't going to fire Zorn at the bye week why would you fire him now. The team at least is still playing and still had a chance into the 4th quarter against a good team. If the 2nd half had been a repeat of the first that would have shown that the team had quit and then you consider a coaching change.

Posted by: lifelongfan | November 8, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Offensive stats, literally.
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
J. Campbell 15/22 196 1 1
T. Collins 4/5 12
Rushing ATT YDS TD LG
L. Betts 15 70 1 15
J. Campbell 5 40 0 19
R. Cartwright 7 16 0 7
S. Moss 1 6 0 6
C. Portis 4 4 0 5
Receiving REC YDS TD LG
M. Sellers 3 56 0 47
S. Moss 5 47 0 25
A. Randle El 3 28 0 13
F. Davis 2 26 0 16
L. Betts 1 23 0 23
M. Mitchell 2 22 0 11
M. Kelly 1 4 0 4
T. Yoder 1 3 1 3
R. Cartwright 1 -1 0 -1

Posted by: alex35332 | November 8, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

JZ - didn't answer about the 4th and 1 call but apparently Sherm called the Betts 4th and short to TD.

JZ - kinda smiling probably realizing how absurd all this is but maybe just knows he's done so isn't bothering to get to emotionally involved in loss.

Posted by: sfskin | November 8, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Should've NEVER given DHall all that money. He is so overrated. The only thing he's good at is catching an INT and making something happen. Other than that, he's useless. His coverage skills are not that good, his tackling is unbelievably bad, and his run defense sucks. He is SOFT. He looks like he doesn't even know how to play his position. He takes horrible angles when trying to tackle and he hesitates a lot. He seems lazy and doesn't want to make the tough tackle. He is horrible, I'd rather have an old Shawn Springs than have him as our corner. No wonder Oakland didn't want him. That's when you know you SUCK, when the Raiders don't even want you.

And why is Carlos not making any plays? It must be because he doesn't want to stick with the Skins, and who could blame him?

Laron Landry is a hard hitter and can be thrilling to watch at times, but he misses a ton of tackles, gets run over by running backs, and is just not a very smart player. He's been playing football all his life, why in the world would he decide to hit a QB when he's clearly running out of bounds? It's just not smart. It's really sad b/c when he and Sean were together, they were the best safety tandem in the league.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 8, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Hysterical. How can any of us be surprised? The Redskins are a joke and nothing will improve until Snyder and the lapdog check out of planet Earth. Can't wait until that "busted AFC West" team comes to Fed Up and knocks us for 45 points. Good day. Snyderatto, the two of you can shampoo my crotch.

Fail

Posted by: johnt424 | November 8, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm a big fan of Santana, but he was truly disappointing today. 3 drops? Unacceptable

Posted by: ga8085 | November 8, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

not only a bad team,team snyderato put together,but full of dirty players.

Posted by: DLESMonday | November 8, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Are we playing for draft picks, or what?

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 8, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

This is the worst defensive game for us this year. Does anybody know if D. hall has a no hit clause in his contract? wat a pu55y...

Posted by: SkinsEmAll | November 8, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

As always, Cerrato & Snyder cost us the game.

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 8, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

ATL
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
M. Ryan 17/24 135 1 1
Rushing ATT YDS TD LG
M. Turner 18 166 2 58
M. Ryan 5 6 0 5
A. Stecker 2 6 0 6
R. White 1 2 0 2
E. Weems 1 1 0 1
Receiving REC YDS TD LG
T. Gonzalez 5 41 1 13
R. White 3 27 0 12
A. Stecker 3 22 0 14
M. Turner 2 14 0 8
M. Booker 1 9 0 9
B. Finneran 1 9 0 9
O. Mughelli 1 8 0 8
M. Jenkins 1 5 0 5

Posted by: alex35332 | November 8, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe Zorn didn't challenge Turner's 2nd TD run. It looked clear to me that Diana Hall was able to reach around Turners waist and grab his flag.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 8, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

2-14
Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam |

NOOOOOOOOOO!!! You mean I won't get any free double toppings from Papa John's the rest of the season?!?

Posted by: harrypoopers | November 8, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

godda** LL; u think ST would have been diving at Turner's feet?

Posted by: hailbg | November 8, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Are we playing for draft picks, or what?

Posted by: _Stumped_1
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By George, I think he's got it.

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 8, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"Defense comes up short", Yes the offense score a whole 17 points.
lol

Posted by: jmy999 | November 8, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps now, we can stop thumping our chests about how great our D is.

As a TEAM, collectively, we suck.

Posted by: edvar | November 8, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

godda** LL; u think ST would have been diving at Turner's feet?

Posted by: hailbg

that's the ole Jacobs effect.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 8, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

At least we have the CAPS.

Posted by: jmy999 | November 8, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

It didn't look like much of a drop-off when Portis went out and Betts came in. Actually, Betts looked pretty good at times.

Posted by: edvar | November 8, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Don't quite understand all the angst about this game. While they played a terrible 1st half, they did come back in the second and made it a game. It's not like Atlanta is one of those winless teams that they struggled against early in the season. They played a playoff capable team at their staduim and still had a shot in the 2nd half. I am less disappointed about today's loss then any of the others this year.

Posted by: lifelongfan | November 8, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

ha ya, i was thinking that at the time; it's like Jacobs is beatin LL over again as he vows never to let anyone go lower than him. Might as well just lie flat on the ground next time...

Posted by: hailbg | November 8, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I was at the game and we won one battle today.....Hot chicks!!!!

4 out of every 5 hot chicks at the game were wearing Redskins jerseys or hats!!!!!!

Posted by: isnadd | November 8, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Monday Night Football scheduler has just been fired.
December 21st
Giants (11-3 W-L) versus Skins (2-12 W-L) at FedEx.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 8, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I've given some thought to the real problem...They suck at every aspect of ownership, General Management, coaching, and this roster is garbage. That's it thats's the list.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 8, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44- Diana.. hmm.. I like Angela Hall better.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 8, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Go Lions, Panthers, Titans! We know you can do it. Help improve the Skins 2010 draft position!

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 8, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Skins should have an open try-outs for the team, for about 3/4 of their positions. Cause the guys they are paying now are not any better then JV scrubs and walk-ons.

Posted by: nowhine | November 8, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Let me throw my hat into that ring:

I'm an undersized but physical and speedy WR. I display good hands and run great routes. Negatives: I get frustrated when the ball is not thrown my way early, and I have frequent groin injuries.
I'll play for the rookie minimum with incentives.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 8, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

This is a poorly coached team,

both Offense and Defense.

Landry needs to get benched in order to refocus.

His back up can't be worse. It's impossible.

Again, Coaching. Focus, Intelligence, Execution: All Lacking.

Then again, what does it matter if the O Line is pathetic?

Season is over. No O Line = No Hope.

Again.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 8, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

From a Cowboy fan: This is laughable. "Season-high" 17 points is nothing. Took them three tries to score running less than a yard to goal. Could not make 4th & inches on a single try...what bozo came up with that play call?...guessing Sherman was in the head and Danny boy called that one. Face it, without fundamental changes at the top (read Snyder goes hands off and Vinny gets replaced), the Skins will forever be an 8-8 or worse team. You fans need to vote with your wallets, money talks. I miss the old Dalls/Washington rivalry back when both teams were perennial contenders.

Posted by: JCM-51 | November 8, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

What Kind of Defense allows 6.7 yards per carry ? apparently the Redskins. That will kill you every single game, so get off Blachs Jock, he's not up to par, We need to clean house here , full F'n Sweep !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 8, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I've given some thought to the real problem...They suck at every aspect of ownership, General Management, coaching, and this roster is garbage. That's it thats's the list.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 8, 2009 4:38 PM |

Don't forget the fans and the media. We stink, too, according to the FO.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: jayrockers | November 8, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Are we playing for draft picks, or what?
Posted by: _Stumped_1

By George, I think he's got it.
Posted by: chasgiffen

George? And with the first pick of the 2010 draft, the Washington Snyderatto's select: Jeff George...

Posted by: harrypoopers | November 8, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Sit these primadonas:

1) Laron Landry
2) Carlos Rogers
3) Antwann Randel El
4) Clinton Portis

Play

1) Marko Mitchell (Thrown 2 twice and he caught both amazing)
2) Kevin Barnes
3) Kareem Moore
4) Andre Woodson

Laron Landry is way overrated maybe we can get a 3rd round pick. Why is Rock Cartwright returning kicks? The guy shouled be time with a calendar for the 40 yard dash. Carlos Rogers plays so far off the ball I could get a catch on him. Portis is used up and he does not care anymore. The same goes for ARE.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | November 8, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

JZ postgame -- "I want perfection."

Okay, great, but you get the impression from watching Campbell over the last two years that that demand for perfection has him tense and tight. I recall thinking that all that time last year that Campbell wasn't throwing interceptions, he was playing as if THAT was his goal. I don't know... they were winning, but I just have this feeling it was constraining JC rather than opening him up.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | November 8, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

SJ9 didn't even ask Zorn about the 4th and 1 call.... Zorn said Bugel lit up the offense during half time.. said he was in everyones face.... then Zorn said, "then I tried to get in the teams face".....

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 8, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Why is anyone even analyzing this game in terms of right and wrong? As though it's this player or that player that is suddenly a problem. The team is the problem, they suck and of course they do, Dan Snyder is the owner, Vinny (the gimp)Cerrato is the psuedo GM, Jim (never coached anything but quarterbacks)Zorn is the coach and the offensive coordinatoris was playing Bingo at a old folks home a month ago. That is a recipe for disaster no matter how motivated the players are. This team will robably lose every game for the rest of the season and I am glad. I want Tebow.Things need to get bad before they get better. Boycott all redskins products and don't go to games, bankrupt Snyder!

Posted by: navypablo | November 8, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Are we playing for draft picks, or what?
Posted by: _Stumped_1

By George, I think he's got it.
Posted by: chasgiffen

George? And with the first pick of the 2010 draft, the Washington Snyderatto's select: Jeff George...

Posted by: harrypoopers
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There's probably a Jeff George, Jr. coming out of college right about now... I'd call him "Crazy Eyes II". We should target him with our high # 1 pick.

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 8, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

As you all have known for at least the last five years, we need offensive line help asap. But for some reason unknown to meer fans, they have addressed every other position. Our leaders tell us that there was noone to help at the 13 spot. But Oher was available as was Loadholdt who is starting for Minn. Please, find someone who will run this team with a fraction of football knowledge.

Posted by: shanteefamilee | November 8, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I was at the game and we won one battle today.....Hot chicks!!!!

4 out of every 5 hot chicks at the game were wearing Redskins jerseys or hats!!!!!!

Posted by: isnadd | November 8, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I was going to go, but why waste the gas and time?

Posted by: ga8085 | November 8, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Don't try to tell me it was close.

Posted by: kls1 | November 8, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

well, nothing to play for now, except worse draft picks and/or self-respect. Marko MUST be no.2 receiver now, Thomas and Kelly have had every chance. SAY WE WANT VINNY OUT, WE WANT VINNY OUT! sorry for caps, booze kicking in now...PS all chelsea are ***ts

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | November 8, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Class! Are you a fan of the famous AFC?

Posted by: stevebeagrie | November 8, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse
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well, sometime afc fan, still hanker after the old days, but hatred for the filth of the bridge as strong as it ever was. you afc, going to millwall on mondaY?

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | November 8, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44- Diana.. hmm.. I like Angela Hall better.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 8, 2009 4:40 PM

Angela does have a nice ring to it. I'm Sick of seeing Diedra act like he's playing two hand touch or flag football and LL play like a coward.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 8, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

m_p_holmes- You forgot Hall as one that needs to sit.

I'm so upset Brennan isn't on the roster. This would be the perfect time to see what he can do against some real defenses. No need to keep putting JC out there anymore...

Posted by: rachel216 | November 8, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Had to like the FIRE VINNY signs at the stadium directly in front of Snyder's and Vinny's private box..
The Atlanta Stadium guards were probably confused, think Vinny Testaverde was playing for the Skins.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 8, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Please, find someone who will run this team with a fraction of football knowledge.

Posted by: shanteefamilee
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Wellllll.... Vinny has a fraction of zero football knowledge, and I think you shouldn't lose sight of that.

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 8, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

It looks like the bye week will be the only one where the Skins covered the spread.

Posted by: slim2 | November 8, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I will root for a 2-14 end if it gets Cerrato fired.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 8, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Frank H says this was the most frustrated the players have ever been in the locker room. Discussion of players getting benched.... CP is slow, and at least Betts hits the hole quickly... Lorenzo Alexander gets in on offense before Levi Jones????? ( someone explain that to me? )

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 8, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44- HAHA! Actually, Angelina Hall is even better! Angelina Hall is so frickin' soft!!

Posted by: rachel216 | November 8, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Did I hear that right? Did Alexander play OL??

Posted by: fan-o-matic | November 8, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Bye bye Vincent, Vincent bye bye!

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | November 8, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

What's on the field is the responsibility of Vinnie Cerrato. He should be held accountable for supplying the team with a poor O line and acquiring the knucklehead Hall and drafting the meathead Landry. With an awful high draft choice next year, Snyder has got to have someone else selecting personnel. If Cerrato selects, it'll be more of the same.

Posted by: getitritegov | November 8, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Glad Vinny Gave us a Playoff Caliber Roster, What a SJK wiener ~now wheres the real roster , quit Joking around , this is serious .

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 8, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Did I hear that right? Did Alexander play OL??

Posted by: fan-o-matic | November 8, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

THAT IS CORRECT!!!!!!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 8, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

What's on the field is the responsibility of Vinnie Cerrato. He should be held accountable for supplying the team with a poor O line and acquiring the knucklehead Hall and drafting the meathead Landry. With an awful high draft choice next year, Snyder has got to have someone else selecting personnel. If Cerrato selects, it'll be more of the same.

Posted by: getitritegov
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Not to mention, Vinny is dedicated to drafting "best available" no matter what, so he could easily bypass Oline and QB with our high picks...

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 8, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

We know they suck, we know they will not make the playoffs. Play the young guys, getting beat 31-17 still getting beat. If we loose 55-17 at least some young talent can be evaluated. Why is Carlos Rogers still playing?

I aggree that Hall is a poor tackler but with the contract that he has he will not be going anywhere might as well punish him by playing him.

These restricted free agents like Carlos will be hurt much more (in the wallet) if we sit them, than if we play them. Carlos is a nickel CB on anyother playoff team in the league. Hell play Tryon, see what he can do.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | November 8, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

JZ postgame -- "I want perfection."

Okay, great, but you get the impression from watching Campbell over the last two years that that demand for perfection has him tense and tight. I recall thinking that all that time last year that Campbell wasn't throwing interceptions, he was playing as if THAT was his goal. I don't know... they were winning, but I just have this feeling it was constraining JC rather than opening him up.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | November 8, 2009 4:45 PM |
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They were winning (6-2) behind a good defense, Portis' running and a healthy O-line, you miserable snitch.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 8, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

This Defense is susceptible to BIG plays bc we have very weak Free Safety play... Every O-Coordinator in football sees that... Any o line that can get a block on Fletcher, will gain 15+ yards on a run!

LL needs to wake up. I put these guys on a tackling dummy all weak long... Humilate him to the point he cries.. Plain and Simple.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 8, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

It almost looks like Landry takes bad angles on purpose. That pu$$y attempt of a tackle in the 4th quater was pathetic.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | November 8, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Did I hear that right? Did Alexander play OL??

Posted by: fan-o-matic | November 8, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

THAT IS CORRECT!!!!!!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg

Yeah..They love the versatility of Lo Alexander. He's capable of sucking at multiple positions.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 8, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Landry is the first that needs to sit. He tries to be flashy instead of making the smart play. He needs to try to tackle someone instead of trying to take their head off. Where is the discipline? Does Blache try to talk to him?

Just thinking about the game vs. the Saints... oh god.. it's already over before it started. I have a feeling it may be like New England 52-7 game.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 8, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

When Landry approaches a tackle, you can almost hear his thoughts: SportsCenter highlight.

Problem is, he's whiffing on more than half of those big hit attempts.

Someone needs to tell him to just tackle like a normal defender; it may not look special, but it will get the job done.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 8, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

D Hall is a joker. He should give his money back.

Posted by: TheDubb | November 8, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

It almost looks like Landry takes bad angles on purpose. That pu$$y attempt of a tackle in the 4th quater was pathetic.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | November 8, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse


I actually believe that to be true.. Turner is a big back and LL looked scared. Just plain scared! That Brandon Jacob highlight is stuck in his head. Time for Orakpo to stay on the line... he will finish w/ double digit sacks..

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 8, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

couple observations

1. Betts was getting 7-9 yards on 1st down carries after Portis (2-3 yds per carry if that) got knocked out.
2. Marko Mitchell still caught everything they threw at him.

the second team players are better than the first time players, well, except for that joke of a line now.

and the secondary is a joke, Angela Hall (that's a good one), LaRon is now a blockhead who can't tackle any more? and Doughty and Horton haven't advanced this year at all. Rogers with hands of stone and some reject named Tryon. they are getting embarrassed. break a run into the second level and you're on your way, that's the read on us now. stiff arm one unmotivated tattooed millionare and hello endzone.

thanks again Dan, you freeking idiot. Great Team Dan!

Posted by: greatteamdan | November 8, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

oh and we hit our 17 point ceiling and that was the end of that.

wonder if that will be the new line in vegas, can Skins top 17 points in remainder of season, what are those odds?

Posted by: greatteamdan | November 8, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I think this team is good enough to go to the playoffs.

I'm glad Vinny was able to assemble it.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | November 8, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Portis is an overrated player. He refuses to do preseason, go to practice, and only cares about himself. They should get rid of in the offseason, cap issues or financial issues be dam!ed.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 8, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Sit these primadonas:

1) Laron Landry
2) Carlos Rogers
3) Antwann Randel El
4) Clinton Portis

Play

1) Marko Mitchell (Thrown 2 twice and he caught both amazing)
2) Kevin Barnes
3) Kareem Moore
4) Andre Woodson

Laron Landry is way overrated maybe we can get a 3rd round pick. Why is Rock Cartwright returning kicks? The guy shouled be time with a calendar for the 40 yard dash. Carlos Rogers plays so far off the ball I could get a catch on him. Portis is used up and he does not care anymore. The same goes for ARE.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | November 8, 2009 4:44 PM
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BINGO!

it's time to take it down to bring it back up with what's left on that roster. CP needs to be cut so bad. cut his tired ass.

Posted by: greatteamdan | November 8, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

No Tebow, we need 4 OL players ASAP.

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 8, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I start Horton and Doughty next week. Doughty made a bad play on the offsides but he has played well this year....

And before I forget, FIRE DANNY SMITH!!!!!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 8, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Why does everyone keep saying the Skins should aim for a higher draft pick? Oh, I know! We need another TE who can't run routes and a couple more WRs to complement our QB who can't get the ball to them.

This is CerratoBalll 101.

Tomorrow's lesson will explain why the OL isn't really all that important in today's NFL.

Posted by: messykat | November 8, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Remember, there's no salary cap next year as it sits right now. Danny Boy and Jerry Jones will engage in an epic arms race to see who can sign the most overpriced free agents next spring, and in 2010 the Giants and Philly will make the playoffs while the Skins and Boyz sit at home - AGAIN.

Why should any of us think it's gonna get better? The word is out around the league among players that Washington is the place to come to be overpaid while under-producing. Besides, Danny Boy and Vinny The Lap Dog will scare away any coach worth a damn. Pathetic...just pathetic.

Posted by: brocave | November 8, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

JZ postgame -- "I want perfection

thats one of the teams problems right there...perfection ain't happening, so right out of the gate, its an abject failure.

my fav thing about the game was the throw to mitchell, then him getting pulled out of the game....I mean its funny at this point how they're mismanaging the players on this team.

seriously, betts got over 20 carries FOR THE YEAR, in the 8th game, but they've been grinding portis to a nub week in and week out. Fail

guys catch passes, then get pulled out of the game. Fail

guys get a ball thrown in their direction, then NOTHING the rest of the game. Fail

its nothing short of a disaster.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

And what I don't get is how the media has been attacking Riggins for his comments of last week the last few days.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 8, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I want to know who called the 4th and 1
I want to know who called the unbalanced line play....

One was a good play call, and the other was not... ( hint: need more unbalanced line sets )

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 8, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

The media is slamming Riggo because when asked point blank what he'd do to fix the team, he offered no solutions.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 8, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

its nothing short of a disaster.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Finally, statements that are believable...

This really is a total mismanagement of players. Very very ugly. I can see this team losing out.. boy would that be insane?!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 8, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

But Riggo was right about Snyder being like an immature child.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 8, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Boycott all redskins products and don't go to games, bankrupt Snyder!

Posted by: navypablo | November 8, 2009 4:46 PM
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+1

ruin the team, play GM with the mindset of a child and zero football acumen, irritate and drive away good coaching prospects, spit on the fans while grabbing their money for overpriced everything and expecting us all to keep this sick show going because he purportedly "wants to win so badly." sorry, I no longer care what the Tyrant wants. it needs to stop.

Snyder needs to feel a constricting debt load and no way to pay it. if the fans stop coming, and stop lining his treasury, his debt load will crush him.

Posted by: greatteamdan | November 8, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

According to WTEM, Zorn told Sonny they did a good job on Turner, and Sonny said, Yeah, 166 yards, and Zorn said, Yeah, but most of that was on two runs.

Is this for real????

Good grief.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 8, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

If you tackle like a women you should wear a skirt or a pink helmet...way to smash ,em defenseless backs.

Posted by: johnwlux | November 8, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I feel much better about the Redskins, after today's game. The offense was spectacular, the defense played their hearts out, the coaching staff did a great job of getting the team ready to play, the managemnt was their usually brilliant selves, and the owner...well what more can you ask of him? Other than to jump off the roof of FEDEX stadium.

Another great day. The Lions have submitted a petition to Roger Gedell, to allow them the chance to play the Redskins, every weekend for the rest of the decade. With options on the next decade.

Posted by: scholls3 | November 8, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jason,

Is it true that CP wears the towel over his head to hide the Redskins logo on his hat?

God knows I would.

Posted by: Redskinrex | November 8, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21- Yes, that's for real. Someone needs to tell Zorn 166 yards really equals 166 yards. Oh, Zorn... poor guy, the losing has gotten to him and he's stressing out, making him say retarded things like this.

And everyone's been saying it this week, this team obviously doesn't have the focus it needs. What was everyone talking about this week? Synder, Riggo talking about Synder.. no one talked about trying to beat the Falcons. Even Blache who isn't talking to the media decided he had to speak and stick up for Synder. The team doesn't have focus and everyone's goal isn't winning. It's a shame.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 8, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The offense is a known pathetic state - it hasn't the weapons or talent needed to go forward.

The defense is a sorry sack - over-hyped, egomaniacal group that is underperforming. they are overpaid and give up too many yards and can't stop an opposing team when needed. Just when the offense finally pulled its head out of its arse, the defense runs and hides.

This team is sorry - awful - it won't win the rest of the season.

Posted by: laserwizard | November 8, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jason,

How 'bout that call of using a slow-developing play on 4th and inches with a line that would have to improve vastly to suck?

Posted by: Redskinrex | November 8, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

the mis-use of players is what gets me.

Landry is playing out of position, he is a strong safety who plays tough on the line against the run and the short pass. you see how he cannot cover in space, it's obvious he's lost out there. problem is, we don't have a Free Safety on this roster, thanks Dan. maybe Kareem Moore can play that role and move LL up where he belongs. that position should have 3 INTs by now.

CP is done. Betts at least gets positive yards and many times hits the second level. CP rarely does and then he trips. sit and cut CP, he can spell Betts the rest of this season until he takes his big non-practicing mouth back to miami.

Sellers is a shadow of his former self. he looks scared, is playing scared, just looks terrible blocking if that's what you call that. on the 4th and goal with Betts going in he ended up behind Betts??? wtf?? he moved no one. so lame.

and the lack of playing time for Marko Mitchell is criminal. that makes me want to fire Zorn right there, and otherwise I like Z and don't think any of this fiasco is really his fault. but play the guys who actually catch the ball. or is that the Danny too? meddling in insisting the big-dollar stiffs he drafted get more time to drop more balls?

for chrissakes what a joke a team run by Dan Snyder is.

Posted by: greatteamdan | November 8, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

JZ - We are making progress. Just stay MEDIUM. That was a nice play LL on their QB. I liked the way just a few of our players came to the rescue on the sidelines. Wouldn't want anyone to get too steamy.
That's just not my style. Now why don't we just go to the TOKE spa, settle back and talk some football. I'll tell you about my days as a QB in the WCO and how it should work.
See you all in DC, when we get back. Isn't life wonderful?
Remember, MEDIUM is the watch word of the day. Stay COOL. PEACE.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | November 8, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

If you are looking for bright spots, Campbell played pretty well. His INT hit Davis in the hands and instead of a catch, it was a pick. A couple other balls doinked of the hands of Skins receivers. Campbell could have easily had a very good day if the guys caught the catchable passes.

Another bright spot, Marko Mitchell looked solid in there.

I prefer to look for bright spots, its much more challenging.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 8, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Say what you will about Campbell but he had NO help today. Moss dropped 3 passes (1 from Collins), DT was awful, Randle El was Randle El, Davis should have had the one that was picked off and the OL was a civ.

Great catch by Yoder for the TD, though. Also nice to have a Marko Mitchell sighting.

The Defense might be a little over rated. Maybe.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 8, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

It's coaching and it's some players not giving 100%.

That's the bottom line.

The Redskins have been outcored 45-10 in the first quarter this year. What is that? That is a lack of preparation.

The head coach is responsible for that.

The 49ers don't play their butts off for the team owner or the GM, they do it for Mike Singletary. Because he demands it. Because he's a leader. Because they know if they don't, they will be sitting on the bench.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 8, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

it is overrated, gotta consider the competition they've faced so far.

Posted by: joek443 | November 8, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

It's coaching and it's some players not giving 100%.

That's the bottom line.
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And this is something that Snyder, Cerrato, and Zorn need to address in the final eight weeks of the season. They need to sit down, identify which players are there to do well, and who's there just to get paid. And they need to part with those players who are there to just get paid to and underperform.

What I would do is get a spreadsheet with columns including a list of each player, position, salary, and whether they are getting a return on their investment. I would then have additional columns that state "keep, not sure, cut". Every player in the "cut" category should go. I would then spend the rest of the season evaluating the "not sure" players and then determining who wants to win and who just doesn't care.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 8, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Original_etrod- not it MIGHT, IT IS. With a bunch of overrated, high priced players that don't really care about winning. Just what joek443 said, the reason why they're 5th in defense is b/c of the crappy teams they've played. Wait till they play DAL, NO, and all the better teams. The defense will probably give up 30+ points in those games. We are going to set an NFL record for 16 games without scoring 20 in any of them.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 8, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Looking at positives I saw several:

1. JC hung in an played a good 2nd half
2. Suisham still has not missed a FG
3. 2 for 2 (TDs) in the redzone
4. Special teams coverage was good
5. Yoder made a great play
6. Mitchell looked good in limited action, MK made a nice catch at the endzone
7. Betts played well
8. Good pressure on Ryan (however, overset by bad run defense)
9. Team did not appear to quit

Hopefully there were more positives that they can build on.

Posted by: lifelongfan | November 8, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

The offense looked the best it has looked all season ... for two drives in the 3rd quarter. Marko Mitchell caught two passes. Betts showed some burst.

The play of Special Teams and Defense was totally uninspired, and the tackling was worse.

I think Zorn has checked out. He doesn't see to care anymore. Even a bad team can have good plays or might even beat a good team, but 2-14 seems highly likely.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | November 8, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

If you weren't going to fire Zorn at the bye week why would you fire him now. The team at least is still playing and still had a chance into the 4th quarter against a good team. If the 2nd half had been a repeat of the first that would have shown that the team had quit and then you consider a coaching change.

Posted by: lifelongfan | November 8, 2009 4:27 PM |

I would fire him now because I gave him a chance and apparently it was a mistake. He had no reason to still dicker with the play calling.

Especially, since he could not see that Portis should have been benched long ago.

Secondly, it is also apparent that under his leadership we will get even worse.

With Blache as HC and Sherman Lewis as OC, we will get started in the right direction now instead of at the end of the season.

And further, with Blache and crew calling the shots, we will get a clear headstart on who wants to play football.

Zorn does not have a clue. He is still talking about, Oh, we just need to execute.

Execute, the problem is bigger than execution and I would start with firing his butt first and foremost right now.

The bye week was his pass that he clearly did not use.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

This jest in. The Whiffenpoofs, an all male college acappella singing group has waived the requirement that members be Yale seniors in order to induct Laron Landry because of his impressive display of an utter lack of tackling fundamentals.

Posted by: GasFace | November 8, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Have to disagree with you Larry. The only way I would fire Zorn at this point in the season is if the team quits. As I stated the better play in the 2nd half shows that they have not quit. There is no guarntee that Blache would do any better. Was that inspired, smart play by the defense?

Posted by: lifelongfan | November 8, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Will Skins change QBs at halftime?

November 8, 2009 2:41 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

The Redskins are trailing the Falcons, 24-3, at halftime and they're not moving the ball. I don't think any quarterback has a chance behind this patchwork offensive line, but do you guys think Jim Zorn will pull Jason Campbell in favor of Todd Collins?
The Tye Hill interception was not Campbell's fault -- and it's not like Collins is more elusive than Campbell. The one thing he might do for you is get the ball away a little quicker. But I don't think making a change at quarterback will prevent the inevitable -- another Skins loss.

Posted by: periculum | November 8, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Love the Whiffenpoofs. I'll bet Laron is a tenor. On another point, Marko, finally!

Posted by: bostskin | November 8, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Zorn should be fired.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 8, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Zorn should be fired.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 8, 2009 6:11 PM |

Zorn know he playing with house money so he just farting around and having fun sticking it to the man.

Posted by: GasFace | November 8, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Zorn isn't playing with house money; Zorn is ruining what little is left of his credibility and by extension, his career as a coach (on any level).

His comment re Michael Turner is the capper.

He's some sort of spaced-out hippie.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 8, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

"defense comes up short". One can say the offense also came up short. This adds credence to the old adage one hires in his own image and that's what Snyder has done.

Posted by: pjente | November 8, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Cindy is right. And, its not that long a long wait until January 4th. Campbell will be gone. Zorn. Probably many others as this team once again will do the topsy turvy with its entire roster along with the offensive coaching staff. Minus Greg Blache of course. Defender of the noble owner that he is. Might as well just sit back and suffer through it.

Posted by: periculum | November 8, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

...its gotten so bad around my place that everytime the opposing team has a big play or scores, we now yell "Eat it Snyder". In fact I wish the network would show more shots of Snyder and Cerrato when the opposing team scores, as we're so sick of this that we've become sadistic I guess and would like to actually witness Snyder suffer. Its the only way to get any pleasure, perverse as it is, out of these games this year.

Posted by: oddjob1 | November 8, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

http://www.kryon.com/ to determine the offensive game plans from here on out and which plays to call.

Posted by: periculum | November 8, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Especially, since he could not see that Portis should have been benched long ago.
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I bet that Zorn probably has considered that, but Snyder and Portis are "friends" supposedly. Last year Zorn benched Portis once before the CIN game and then Snyder intervened. Portis went on Snyder's radio station to trash the coach. And Snyder enabled him to do it.

This is one major fault that I have with Snyder. He enabled Portis to undermine the team. While hardly the only problem facing the team, he is a problem. He only cares about him, refuses to play in the preseason, refuses to practice, and refuses to mentor and help other players. He has the gall to tell the coach to pull other players out of the game. And Snyder has enabled him.

So, when it comes to the issue of Portis, I don't necessarily blame Zorn. This is primarily a Snyder and Cerrato problem.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 8, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

If Zorn is a spaced out rainbow people (hippy) then he should consult with http://www.kryon.com/ to determine the offensive game plans from here on out and which plays to call.

Posted by: periculum | November 8, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Zorn didn't hire himself, guys. He was a last ditch option after an extremely dysfunctional search process. Should he have turned the job down?

This should not impact his ability to find another coaching job, but, he will probably go back west to coach QB's and learn offenses before he gets another coordinator level job.

On another note, props to Gregg Williams, hope he takes the Saints to the Super Bowl!!

Posted by: jksesq1 | November 8, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

So, when it comes to the issue of Portis, I don't necessarily blame Zorn. This is primarily a Snyder and Cerrato problem.

As Dr. Disaster might tell you ... Snyder and Cerrato are THE PROBLEM. Everything else is just a symptom. Some more severe than others.

Posted by: periculum | November 8, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

For those who want Zorn to be fired the time to do that was during the bye. However, once Cerrato brought in Lewis and then reaffirmed that Zorn would be coach the rest of the season, that train left the station. At this point it would scare away would-be successors if they fired Zorn. Not that they don't already have reasons to avoid the Redskins' coaching position, had they now fired Zorn, it would scared them off even more.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 8, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone NOT blame Zorn for that first half?

You come off a bye week, after having plenty of time to prepare for the Atlanta Falcons, and THAT'S what your team looks like?

You can blame the owner for hiring the coach, but that doesn't make the coach any less of an incompetent fool.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 8, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Note on the game. I think Fox set a record for amount of screen face time given to a HC who is dead meat.

Posted by: GasFace | November 8, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Redskin--Keep in mind that Sherman Lewis calls the plays. Ownership has taken away a lot of Zorn's responsibilities to the point that he is all but a figurehead.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 8, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

You come off a bye week, after having plenty of time to prepare for the Atlanta Falcons, and THAT'S what your team looks like?

Have to admit there have been a great many distractions of late? More than one usually finds associated with an NFL franchise? And that is the owner's fault. Under these circumstances given everything that is going I can't help but be impressed with how JC has been handling it. Rypien was a complete disaster under similar circumstances. Ramsey anyone? Jeff George? :) Campbell continues to try to pull himself and this team out. He won't be back. But I fear many here will be even more bitter when they seem him doing extremely well somewhere else. Point the fingers where they belong: at Dan Snyder.

Posted by: periculum | November 8, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Zorn isn't playing with house money; Zorn is ruining what little is left of his credibility and by extension, his career as a coach (on any level).

His comment re Michael Turner is the capper.

He's some sort of spaced-out hippie.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 8, 2009 6:21 PM |

His career was totally over after everyone saw what a steaming pile the O is, which was long before the ATL game was played.

Posted by: GasFace | November 8, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I know Lewis is calling the plays, and for a while in the 3rd quarter, he was calling some effective ones.

However, the lack of discipline, effort, and in some cases plain stupidity (Landry and Alexander's personal fouls) is the head coach's responsibility, since he is responsible for preparing the players, and he is also responsible for the coaches/coordinators that work under him.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 8, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Also, if Zorn really doesn't care anymore, than he should resign. Or Snyder should agree to pay him off and get him out of here.

I'd rather watch the team lose the rest of their games with an interim coach who is giving his maximum effort than to watch Zorn go through the motions (if that's all he's really doing).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 8, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Redskin 21--If Snyder and Cerrato didn't go out of their way to undermine Zorn you would have point. However, if you read what I wrote about Clinton Portis above, ownership has no problem undermining Zorn. Snyder allowed Portis to undermine Zorn and prevent him from being a coach.

It's hard for the head coach to control a team when upper management constantly allows one or two players like Clinton Portis to openly defy the coach in the media without any consequences. Last year, before the CIN game, Portis went on Snyder's radio station to trash the coach. How can someone like Zorn coach effectively when management won't back him?

Posted by: jiacinto | November 8, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Could Lil Dan bring in another set of eyes to look at the defense?

Posted by: jnsbear | November 8, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya re Zorn being undermined by ownership. No argument there.

However, Zorn undermined himself this past week when he said that ARE was off PRs, and Hall would be on PRs, with Santana in spot play, then came out a couple days later and said ARE wasn't demoted, and was still their guy in the PR game.

Huh?

It's just like the Michael Turner comment he made today. It causes people to scratch their head and say, WTF is WRONG with this guy?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 8, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Redskin21--I agree with you about Zorn. He's in over his head here. I don't disagree with you there. But any coach in Washington is going to have problems because Snyder enables players like Portis. And no coach is going to be able to control the team or have the respect/fear of his players if they know that Snyder will take their side. So I don't blame Zorn for that.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 8, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

On Twitter I commented, "Did Gibbs show up at halftime, or what?" Well, apparently with Buguel getting in everyone's face was the closest we've gotten to Redskins 81-92 in almost 20 years.
Does this bode well for Zorn?

Posted by: pdfordiii | November 8, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

all hail Greg Blache? Didn't the defense come up short? I don't get that.

Zorn must go, Cerrato must go, and most of the coaching staff must go. Would not object to Gibbs coming back. Oh, remember the excuse that he wanted to spend more time with the grandchildren? Well that was a cover, of course. He lied about the good wkg relationship with the front office, etc. They need a real GM and a real coach, and some real coaches. And a real QB, too.

Start it tomorrow and work to next year. Doesn't really matter who the hell they would replace Zorn with right now. Hell, bring back Terry Robiskie!

Posted by: dsda3731 | November 8, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

This team is OOC, Out of Control

Posted by: mobilian | November 8, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Redskins need to bargain with the Eagles to acquire Mike Vick. They should offer up DeAngelo Hall. The guy is an idiot!

Posted by: GatorJoe | November 8, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Fire the midget!

Posted by: mofares | November 8, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, MrRedskin, but the head coach, especially after management said he doesn't call plays and a brand new hire, who's been out of the game for several years is given offensive authority, can't be held at fault because players don't look to him as the authoritative voice or disciplinarian. While you can say he should be able to set the tone for discipline, even if he has little authority, you can't blame him for players stupidity; stupidity goes beyond coaching and discipline. Or, are you suggesting that he can/should suspend players? Fine them? Do you think he retains - if he's ever had - that authority or ability?

As for being responsible for the coaches/coordinators that work under him, the offensive coordinator - or offensive consultant, more accurately - doesn't work under him; the consultant was hired mid-season without any input from the headcoach until it was after the fact. And, I may be wrong, but I think most of the coaches were hired by the team/team management, not by the head coach. Some are carry-overs from the Gibbs era, so it's hard to say that you've given the head coach - who you originally interviewed and hired to be your offensive coordinator - little ability to do what you hired him to do: lead the team based on the way he (then-quarteback coach Zorn) impressed the hiring committee.

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Posted by: Dungarees | November 8, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

What's on the field is the responsibility of Vinnie Cerrato. He should be held accountable for supplying the team with a poor O line and acquiring the knucklehead Hall and drafting the meathead Landry. With an awful high draft choice next year, Snyder has got to have someone else selecting personnel. If Cerrato selects, it'll be more of the same.

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Not to mention, Vinny is dedicated to drafting "best available" no matter what, so he could easily bypass Oline and QB with our high picks...

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 8, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Problem is "best available" is Vinnie's, not other GMs. Too many years of poor drafting and free agent signings. Remember after Stephon Heyer's first year, Vinnie says that all he needs to do is work on his lower body strength and he will be a good lineman. Anybody who saw Heyer in person at the games saw a tall individual with no low center of gravity which is required and no apparent bulk in butt, hips, and legs. I could go on with the flaws of other Vinnie selections. Dan Snyder must remove his friend Vinnie from his duties after the season if the Redskins are to attain respectability in future seasons.

Posted by: getitritegov | November 9, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

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