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Demetric Evans Moving On

Redskins end Demetric Evans, a valuable and versatile contributor during his five seasons in Washington, and the team's best defensive end during the 2008 season, said the decision to sign with San Francisco Wednesday night came down to the fact that the 49ers wanted him, and Washington never gave any indication that it did.

Evans signed a two-year deal with San Francisco, but the second year is based on his production. So in essence it's a one-year, $2 million deal. He will be playing in a 3-4 scheme, which is different for him, but the presentation from the coaches and front office was very impressive, he said. They are giving him every opportunity to compete for a starting job, with some freedom to get after the football.

Leaving this area will be very difficult -- Evans's wife has one year left on her residency at a local hospital --and the Redskins knew he wanted to stay here. They had all of the leverage and all year to get a deal done, but Evans said they never made an offer to keep him, prior to or after him becoming a free agent. This was despite the Redskins having just one every-down DE on the current roster (Andre Carter). (Also I continue to hear that the Redskins Reunion Tour at DE is looking more and more like a go, with Phillip Daniels and Renaldo Wynn both candidates to return).

"I knew when we played in San Francisco (the final game of the 2008 regular season) that that was going to be my last game for the Redskins," Evans said. "You see how they operate in free agency, and I'm not the kind of guy they value. Guys like me, Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce, guys who start at the bottom and work their way up, they don't keep those guys around. So, I never, never thought I would be coming back to Washington.

"I'm not that sexy defensive end. I'm not bringing that Jason Taylor appeal. But I still made the sacks and tackles. At the end of the day, though, everything happens for a reason and I'm excited for the opportunity to go to San Francisco and compete for a starting job and show them what I can do."

Evans said he asked his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, why the Skins didn't want him but said he never got a firm answer. He said Rosenhaus just told him early in the process that they would have to find other teams. Evans was credited with 3 ½ sacks last season -- same as Taylor -- though Evans should have had four. Carter led the team with just 4 despite more playing time. Evans was a key man in the nickel package, rushing from a tackle spot, and could drop back in coverage as well.

Had the Redskins made a modest offer of any sort during Evans's final year here, something like $1.5 million to sign, low base salaries, he likely would have taken it. Now the team is sorting through older ends believing that basically anyone can play end here now that Albert Haynesworth has arrived.

Evans said that despite knowing he was not in the plans, it's still a little unsettled to pull up from a place that has provided strong roots and teammates he cares for deeply. But reality sank in for good when the Redskins gave Haynesworth a No. 92 jersey to hold up at his press conference (Evans's number).

"Once they gave Haynesworth No. 92 in the press conference, instead of putting '09 on the back or something like that, that was like a sign to everyone --me, my teammates, the fans, the beat writers -- that it was over for me there," Evans said.

Demetric said he is wishing Haynesworth all the best, and knows there will be immense pressure on him because of the contract, but the player did what basically anyone would do, go to the employer that offered the best deal.

"I hope people don't put too much on Albert, or blame him if it doesn't work out for some reason or something happens," Evans said. "He's a great player and they made him a great offer and I'm happy for him. But I hope everyone gives him a chance and doesn't just look at him if it doesn't go the way they hope."

By Jason La Canfora  |  March 5, 2009; 5:08 PM ET
 
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Comments

what do you guys say ..................... FIRST!!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | March 5, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like he is hoping the Haynesworth deal explodes in Snidely's face ...

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Renaldo Wynn?!? The youth movement along the D-line has begun.

Posted by: az_david | March 5, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Renaldo Wynn? Classic.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

That is a death wish.

Becoming a parody of yourself.

Others that have been put to death via parody of one's self:

Madden
Dicky V
Emmit
Kramer

Keep the list going.

I'm out!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 5, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

It does seem likely the Skins are likely to overpay someone with the same basic skill as Evans.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 5, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I wish Demetric the best. Sounds like a decision made off emotion than opportunity. I can't imagine money was a factor - that isn't a big contract. The opportunity in Washington is also better - he had the shot at the LDE spot, and with a nice 4 man rotation inside, the ends likely would've had some freedom to attack. In San Francisco, he's fighting for one starting spot, and he likely won't win it (Ray McDonald is a similar player who started last year and is younger and they have a first round pick in Kentwan Balmer sitting). Add in a move to the 30 front. I think he can be successful in San Francisco, but the better opportunity was here.

That said, I don't blame him. The FO had all sort of time to make some sort of passable offer to him and they didn't. While the Evans type is replaceable, that's a cheap, useful talent out the door. I imagine that they'll go with the veteran ends and hope to find a RT in FA (Elton Brown or Ray Willis). If they can land a RT in FA, this may allow them to pursue end in the first round (someone like Robert Ayers, Tyson Jackson, Aaron Maybin if they want a better pass rusher, and others). That isn't the worst strategy for the short term, particularly considering the mid-first OT's seem to be questionable bets to be long term LT's and RT's can be found.

Posted by: toonsterwu | March 5, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was a stupid outrageous mistake that the Skins never even made an offer.

No surprise that JLa came off of vacation to post this one...

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

renaldo wynn?! Are you kidding me, give me daniels over that bum any day of the week

Posted by: hillb03 | March 5, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Demetric is a classy guy. I was hooping we would resign him. Don't understand it.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 5, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Man it is so obvisous how bitter the writers of thsi blog are....After reading this...I'm DONE here at RI. Been nice chatting the last few years with all of you....BUT I'm over the writing and how they paint a negative spin on everything. This article is the last for me....I know the hits we put here keeps these guys writing as the Skins beat writer.

I mena are you serious???? They all of asudden paint the picture that Evans was a guy theuy spurned and did wrong? MY GOD he had 3 1/2 sacks and he is getting up in years...The Skins have some room and have the 13th pick....If evens was such a great player as they are trying to spin here....Why wasn't he resigned and why wasn't he a hot item on the market? BINGO!!!!!!!

Have fun on this blog that gets news after the fact and then writes about how bad and stupid the team is at everything they do. Won't miss it!

Posted by: leevi98 | March 5, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

if they sign renald winn, even for $1. they are dumber than i already give the credit for.

on the upside the apologist crowd will be working overtime and that will be high comedy.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Hahahaaha he couldn't resist he loves it. Takes pleasure in it

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Just wanted to take poll from Blog, that how many people did not anticipate this article from JLC. Now Evans joins the elite company of Leigh Torrence WOW !!!! What an insider.

Posted by: dnaik | March 5, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

renaldo wynn blows, give me holliday, even kevin carter. Can't JLC except the fact that the guy was here for 5 yrs and maybe the coaches just didn't feel like he was worth resigning.

"he should have had 4 sacks"-jlc now hes a statistician.

how many picks should have leigh torrance had d*ickhead!

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

That said, I don't blame him. The FO had all sort of time to make some sort of passable offer to him and they didn't.

Posted by: toonsterwu | March 5, 2009 5:20 PM

Has it occurred to you and for Evans for that matter and JLC that maybe the team didn't want Evan back? Maybe his production is not worth bringing him back...Seems to me if you can't keep a guy at 8 mill for the same production why have the same production for a smaller amount? Does that seem smart and improving your D line? So you get the same results for smaller money...Seems catch 22 to me...Damn if ya do damn if ya don't....Seems like it would not be very hard at hall to get better production gong a new younger direction.......

WHY ARE YOU SO BITTER JLC? Be a beat writer for once ....

Posted by: leevi98 | March 5, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Leevi, LJC certainly can make the case Evans was the Skins best DE during 2008, as mediocre as his performance was with his 3.5 sacks.

The most negative quotes in this blog come from Evans himself... As a fan, I do want to know who's going to fill the hole, and I hope they don't use the 13th pick on the defense when the O-line averages about 90 years old.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 5, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

leevi i though you were leaving?

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

They can't possible resign Wynn after letting him go 3 years ago because his skills had declined. So what are they saying he's gotten old and better.

Posted by: fj8152001 | March 5, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

sign big phil for peanuts, rotate jackson and chris wilson.

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Demetric is a classy guy. I was hooping we would resign him. Don't understand it.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 5, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Because you can't use the word class and Danny "Boy" Snyder in the same sentance!

Posted by: Leeguru | March 5, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the Skins defensive coaches made a decision to go with Jackson as the backup or starting LDE... Appearantly they never made any contract offers to Evans and all the news to contrary was coming from his agent (Rosenhaus).

Posted by: siris | March 5, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

'...SPRINGS TO SIGN WITH PATS...'

And watch: he'll be healthy for 16 games.

He'll take a pay cut if asked.

He'll be seen smiling on the sideline as Tom "God" Brady doles out long touchdown passes like they were Halloween candy.

He'll suddenly regain his 1st round form and get better from practicing with R Moss everyday.

He'll befriend F Taylor and talk about how they both now have a shot at a championship all the way up until the stillers wax them in January in the snow and cold.

He'll play hurt and not miss work and make cash, which is just as good as money.

(AFLACK!!!!!: Insert cute baffled duck image.)

But again: like J Taylor and Evans, he's moved on.

And so have I.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 5, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"Now the team is sorting through older ends ..."

----

D. Evans will be 30 by the Regular season. Not exactly a spring chicken.

Posted by: filmchis | March 5, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Getting rather sick of the skins bashing. It's not like Evans was great on the line, and he's going to the niners. The guy had 3 1/2 sacks, which makes Taylor a huge bust and Evans a hero?? Also, Pierce wanted $10 mill a year to stay. Dude give it up and go cover soccer.

Posted by: motown-j | March 5, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"Redskins end Demetric Evans, a valuable and versatile contributor during his five seasons in Washington, and the team's best defensive end during the 2008 season..."

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best defensive end?! ROFLMAO(just for you cl)

Posted by: filmchis | March 5, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

thanks.....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Singletary will be a good coach to work with ...

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Typical JLC drivel.

Posted by: jaldrichl | March 5, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

That's right, this is the time of year where the Redskins are the best team in football! Make great FO decisions, best roster, etc. Can't wait for the end of October when everyone is complaining.

JLC, you keep up the good work. Thank goodness there is actually a voice that offers dissent from the tushie kissing that goes on in this town for this waste of a team.

Posted by: Leeguru | March 5, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

JLA is just pissed he is going to have tape over the "Evans" on his #92 jersey and replace it with "Haynesworth", especially after he wasted $250 for an authentic Torrence jersey for his wife.

Posted by: Section104 | March 5, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Man it is so obvisous how bitter the writers of thsi blog are....After reading this...I'm DONE here at RI. Been nice chatting the last few years with all of you....BUT I'm over the writing and how they paint a negative spin on everything. This article is the last for me....I know the hits we put here keeps these guys writing as the Skins beat writer.

I mena are you serious???? They all of asudden paint the picture that Evans was a guy theuy spurned and did wrong? MY GOD he had 3 1/2 sacks and he is getting up in years...The Skins have some room and have the 13th pick....If evens was such a great player as they are trying to spin here....Why wasn't he resigned and why wasn't he a hot item on the market? BINGO!!!!!!!

Have fun on this blog that gets news after the fact and then writes about how bad and stupid the team is at everything they do. Won't miss it!

Posted by: leevi98 | March 5, 2009 5:25 PM

I think there ought to be a farstriker code for this kind of post. Often "threatened," but the follow though and commitment are never delivered.

Quitting RI is harder than quitting coffee, cigarettes, blow, crack, and heroin combined. Good luck with that leevi98.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"Evans was credited with 3 ½ sacks last season -- same as Taylor -- though Evans should have had four."

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Boo frickin' Hoo!

Would coulda shoulda.....does that extra 1/2 sack really help your point...at all!

Posted by: filmchis | March 5, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"I knew when we played in San Francisco (the final game of the 2008 regular season) that that was going to be my last game for the Redskins," Evans said. "You see how they operate in free agency, and I'm not the kind of guy they value. Guys like me, Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce, guys who start at the bottom and work their way up, they don't keep those guys around. So, I never, never thought I would be coming back to Washington.

"I'm not that sexy defensive end. I'm not bringing that Jason Taylor appeal." -- D.Evans


Wow, Demetric Evans must have an agenda. Clearly these are baseless allegations. I mean, the guy played for the team for, what, 5 years. Why would he have any idea how they operate?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 5, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"They can't possible resign Wynn after letting him go 3 years ago because his skills had declined. So what are they saying he's gotten old and better.

Posted by: fj8152001 | March 5, 2009"


That's just Jason talking ... its not going to happen. Snyder is definitely on a youth kick. For better or for worst. Seems unlikely from his perspective to repeat past mistakes like Daniels and Wynn.

It seems more likely that Olshansky is coming ...

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

sween, he fell off the wagon like within 5 comments.

Hey, I am rooting for him to succeed!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

HA!!! leevi98 fell off the wagon before I could get a post up! SIX MINUTES!!!

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Agree to agree sween. I tried to quit the blog for a few months, but now I've relapsed.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 5, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"Carter led the team with just 4 despite more playing time."

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Taylor had as many as Evans with less playing time than Evan, so whats your point?....really!

Posted by: filmchis | March 5, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"Now Evans joins the elite company of Leigh Torrence WOW !!!! What an insider.

Posted by: dnaik | March 5, 2009"

Could be a possible reason why neither were even considered? After all Leigh Torrence is a big JLC favorite.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I will miss Demetric and wish him well. Skins should have treated him better.

And you all know how much I will miss Springs but I'm happy that he is going to the Pats and not the Eagles.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 5, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Agreed on both puntas lisa.....

i wish i could quit...i have been hooked on a few things sween listed.....RI def harder...

i feel dirty everytime i hit refresh....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"...and the team's best defensive end during the 2008 season..."

That is the reason he is gone... Redskins SUCKED at LDE last year. Evans was a backup journeyman DE who was pressed into service when Daniels and JT were hurt. Criminey.

Seriously, who TF would you rather have at the same price??? Evans or Daniels?

Good luck Demetric, we'll see how well you do in the 3/4 in Frisco. Have fun.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 5, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

" ... Guys like me, Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce, guys who start at the bottom and work their way up, they don't keep those guys around. ..."

This is more of that crap that gets thrown around here ... OK, Evans, how about some FACTS to back up that opinion! How about a LINK! Its just SPECULATION that they you, Clark, and Pierce started at the bottom.

In other news, I'm only really getting excited by the meta-conversation. I was so not surprised by decision not to resign Evans, that I had moved on around the time the team announced that its top UFA priorities were to re-sign DeAngelo Hall and Kendall (btw, I think that latter one has since become a lower priority ... just a hunch).

The other thing that would get me excited right about now would be a bacon sandwich. Lots of bacon. And grilled onions. Rye toast. What time is it?

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

you know one thing the skins havent had to contend with? its the wives/mothers and the media issue. Call the Mrs. Warner Effect.* I mean the closest thing skins have had is Clinton's mom beeyatch slapping some eagles loudmouth. Net positive.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/05/lts-mom-it-doesnt-look-promising/

* by the way. Any one see the make over Kurt Warner's wife went through? Wow long way from the blue butch cut during the Rams years. Jesus must know one hell of a makeover artist along with his work as a sports agent.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

C'mon, cL, just hit the F5, what's the big deal? Everyone is doing it. What's one more F5? You'll be able to log out in a few minutes ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

i feel dirty everytime i hit refresh....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse


I have a feeling hitting refresh isn't what's making you feel dirty! ROFLMAO

Posted by: filmchis | March 5, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

cL- I don't feel dirty, I just feel dumber.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 5, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

* by the way. Any one see the make over Kurt Warner's wife went through? Wow long way from the blue butch cut during the Rams years. Jesus must know one hell of a makeover artist along with his work as a sports agent.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I know. They finally gave up the matching haircut thing! Good for her!

Posted by: filmchis | March 5, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

apparently not very hard to get filchis ROFLMAO.......

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

cL- I don't feel dirty, I just feel dumber.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 5, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

yeah good point 4-12. much more accurate.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

apparently not very hard to get filchis ROFLMAO ...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 6:00 PM

Typos are cool (let your freak flag fly), but I think you mean ROFLHAO.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

apparently not very hard to get filchis ROFLMAO.......

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but it will be making an appearance in all future cl related posts! ROFLMAO!!(see)

Posted by: filmchis | March 5, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

... and now ... off to the PTA meeting.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

+++Man it is so obvisous how bitter the writers of thsi blog are....After reading this...I'm DONE here at RI. Been nice chatting the last few years with all of you....BUT I'm over the writing and how they paint a negative spin on everything. This article is the last for me....I know the hits we put here keeps these guys writing as the Skins beat writer.+++--LEEVI

Got a challenge for you. Instead of crying about the Post's negativism, why don't YOU write this up with a POSITIVE approach.

Tell us the positives in losing a low-cost starting end, who can shift to DT, who wanted to stay here, yet never got a contract.

Tell us how it's an upgrade to plan to replace him with Daniels, or Reynaldo Wynn, or, perhaps Bruce Smith or Gene Brito?

Tell us the plus over overrating JT and underrating D. Evans?

Please, let us know the good times about signing a guy for $100 mill, then losing a solid tam player who didn't even gripe publicly about having his NUMBER taken away from him because the New Guy will sell more jerseys.

Don't run away and hide, defend your point of view. If you're convincing, maybe you earn some converts...


Posted by: TheCork | March 5, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

+++renaldo wynn blows, give me holliday, even kevin carter. Can't JLC except the fact that the guy was here for 5 yrs and maybe the coaches just didn't feel like he was worth resigning.


Posted by: drewkinnear+++


JLC didn't resign or not sign Renaldo Wynn. Those morons running that Superbowl team North of DC did, however. Those Giants dont' know SQUAT about defensive linemen.

Posted by: TheCork | March 5, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

If you like Mel Kiper ...

Defensive ends
1. Brian Orakpo, Texas
2. *Aaron Maybin, Penn State
3. Tyson Jackson, LSU
4. *Everette Brown, Florida State

5. Robert Ayers, Tennessee

As many as seven defensive linemen could be picked in Round 1, and both positions provide enough depth that teams could select a few quality players in the middle rounds. I view Orakpo as a 4-3 defensive end who also could play on his feet in a 3-4 as an attacking outside linebacker. He's super athletic and incredibly strong. The only concern with Orakpo is durability.

Maybin is another combo type who is explosive out of the blocks and relentless in his pursuit of the quarterback. Brown is next in line. He's not at the level of Orakpo and Maybin but should draw mid-first-round consideration. Jackson would be ideal in a 3-4 scheme and could shift inside to defensive tackle in passing situations. He's another mid-first-round type. Ayers enjoyed a solid season in the SEC and stood out at the Senior Bowl practices. I thought he'd run about a 4.6-second time in the 40 at the combine workout, but he clocked only a 4.80. If during individual testing he can push that number down closer to what I expected, he'll come off the board between picks No. 20 and No. 32.

Players on the rise at defensive end include Cincinnati's Connor Barwin, USC's Kyle Moore, Connecticut's Cody Brown, Hawaii's David Veikune and San Jose State's Jarron Gilbert. Brown could end up as an outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme, while Gilbert has prior experience at defensive tackle.

The enigma at defensive end is Georgia Tech's Michael Johnson. He's blessed with a ton of ability and pass-rush potential but didn't come through with anything close to the dominating senior season I expected of him. As you noticed if you followed the big board every week all season, he slid down gradually the entire way until he was no longer in the top 25 at all. If he steps up his intensity and plays a more physical brand of football, you could be looking at one heck of a player in the NFL. He's a roll of the dice, though, because he could be a major disappointment.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Skins remind me of the kind of company that never listens to or promotes its own bright employees. Instead, they go out and find high priced consultants that come in and screw everything up, then wonder "what happened?"

"Guys like me, Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce, guys who start at the bottom and work their way up, they don't keep those guys around"

Scary...

Posted by: edvar | March 5, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

++++That said, I don't blame him. The FO had all sort of time to make some sort of passable offer to him and they didn't. While the Evans type is replaceable, that's a cheap, useful talent out the door. I imagine that they'll go with the veteran ends and hope to find a RT in FA (Elton Brown or Ray Willis). If they can land a RT in FA, this may allow them to pursue end in the first round (someone like Robert Ayers, Tyson Jackson, Aaron Maybin if they want a better pass rusher, and others). That isn't the worst strategy for the short term, particularly considering the mid-first OT's seem to be questionable bets to be long term LT's and RT's can be found.

Posted by: toonsterwu +++


Look punk, don't be coming around here with your reasoned arguments and rational tone. It makes the rest of us look bad.

Um, could you drop a resume off with The Dan, please?

Posted by: TheCork | March 5, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Scouts Inc. Top 32:

Draft Order: Detroit's on the clock
Scouts Inc.'s Top 32
Player Pos. School Grade
1. Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest 97
2. Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech 97
3. Jason Smith OT Baylor 96
4. B.J. Raji DT Boston Coll. 96
5. Eugene Monroe OT Virginia 95
6. Brian Orakpo DE Texas 95
7. Matthew Stafford QB Georgia 95
8. Andre Smith OT Alabama 94
9. Mark Sanchez QB USC 94
10. Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State 94
11. Aaron Maybin DE Penn State 94
12. Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri 94
13. Everette Brown DE Florida St 93
14. Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia 93
15. Tyson Jackson DE LSU 92
16. Chris Wells RB Ohio State 92
17. Michael Oher OT Mississippi 92
18. Rey Maualuga ILB USC 92
19. Percy Harvin WR Florida 92
20. Clay Matthews OLB USC 92
21. Brian Cushing OLB USC 91
22. Peria Jerry DT Mississippi 91
23. Josh Freeman QB Kansas St. 91
24. Vontae Davis CB Illinois 91
25. Brandon Pettigrew TE Okla. State 91
26. Hakeem Nicks WR N. Carolina 91
27. Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland 90
28. Louis Delmas S W. Michigan 90
29. LeSean McCoy RB Pittsburgh 90
30. James Laurinaitis ILB Ohio State 90
31. Robert Ayers DE Tennessee 90
32. Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest 90

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"my teammates, the fans, beat writers" come off it, the guy at best is an average player not even a regular starter, this is not an Antonio Pierce or Ryan Clark who were full-time multi year real contributers. This year was the first year that Evans contributed anything more than sparingly and he didn't deserve anything above a minimum deal. 30 years old to boot. Daniels and Wynn at minimums is two players for the price of Evans and I'd take a healthy Daniels over Evans straight up anyway.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 5, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't buy that Renaldo Wynn is being considered, and if he is, I would vote very strongly against his resigning.

I think Daniels is a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over Evans as a starter, and that the youngsters already on the roster, Jackson(26) and Wilson (23), are much better options as backups than a 30 year old who would require a new contract.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 5, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Todd McShay says Oher at 13, Kiper picks Orapko

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

jacky-z.....i have a different read, but whateves...


but dude if they resign r. wynn.....wow....

it was a bad signing when we did it 7/8 years ago!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

No reason not to bring back both Evans and Daniels at cheap money. Some things I will never understand with this front office.

However I do know this was in Jasno's wheelhouse. He probably was calling Evans nonstop knowing he would get some negative stuff he could post. Thats the only time he seems motivated to work. Snyder/Vinny/JLC all suck equally.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 5, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Cl, agreed, I think Wynn would be pointless, but Daniels is a better player than Evans anyway and at this point cheaper, I don't care about Evans moving on, he's a decent guy that could be replaced with a late round rookie of the right body type for cheaper and longer. Daniels is more important, I hope they resign him, don't sign anybody else and draft a 280 plus DE in the 5th. Jackson looked very good in the preseason last year, I think he works his way into the rotation this year some how, maybe in Carter's place if he keeps getting blocked by TEs.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 5, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Now the team is sorting through older ends believing that basically anyone can play end here now that Albert Haynesworth has arrived.


JLC back this up with some facts, what older ends are they sorting threw.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Wait! I never even got a chance to say goodbye to leevi98.
Oh well. You will live on. Every time I read something utterly stupid on this blog I'll think of you. (Get to work Flounder21, I miss him already.)

Posted by: mack1 | March 5, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

maybe zjack, we'll see. I valued Evens higher and if/when they sign daniels i bet its in the 1.5 bonus plus league min range. Fact is they could have had both and still let Jackson get reps.

at this point i just reeaaalllyy hope they dont sign wynn.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Any chance Bruce Smith is available?


kidding, of course . . . .

Posted by: JPRS | March 5, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

although with the skins i am like 3/23 on my "i reeaallyyy hope they don't" scale...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"Man it is so obvisous how bitter the writers of thsi blog are....After reading this...I'm DONE here at RI. Been nice chatting the last few years with all of you....BUT I'm over the writing and how they paint a negative spin on everything. This article is the last for me....I know the hits we put here keeps these guys writing as the Skins beat writer."

Ditto...I am done with this too. Have fun y'all

Posted by: reggiebranch | March 5, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

'...Todd McShay says Oher at 13, Kiper picks Orapko...'


We don't lose either way.

But we gain if we give up something in 2010 to get a second rounder this year.

It's a move I'd make.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 5, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

at this point i just reeaaalllyy hope they dont sign wynn.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

on that we are in total agreement....

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 5, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I would go for Orapko if he is another Rocky McIntosh with durability issues from the get-go.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I would put it like this:

Tears of Caring water

Primo Uno Tear:

Pierce and Clark - Yeah (They were starters on the last 2 SuperBowl Winners)

Primo Deuce and LAsto Tear:

Evans, Torrence (who didn't even get in the games with the Saints),

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 5, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Look at that, I called both Daniels and Wynn on a post earlier today (among my list of 4 other options). These are good signings. Cheap, vet min, can play multiple positions, starting experience, both equivalent to Evans.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Here's some insight.

You don't play/draft a 255-260 guy to play LDE. Teams will typically run that way over the right tackle, who is usually bigger and a better run blocker than the left tackle, but not as mobile. The LDE needs to be in the 275+ range to hold the edge and help seal the run game. Any of those light top rated DE's like Maybin and Orakpo are better suited to RDE or OLB in a 3-4, not a run stuffing DE that the Skins need. Tyson Jackson is a good fit, but would be a better value in the late 20's as opposed to 13. Maybe we trade back and pick him up along with another pick or 2.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 5, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

""You see how they operate in free agency, and I'm not the kind of guy they value. Guys like me, Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce, guys who start at the bottom and work their way up, they don't keep those guys around. So, I never, never thought I would be coming back to Washington.

"I'm not that sexy defensive end. I'm not bringing that Jason Taylor appeal. But I still made the sacks and tackles. At the end of the day, though, everything happens for a reason and I'm excited for the opportunity to go to San Francisco and compete for a starting job and show them what I can do."

Newsflash, Demetric: you are not Ryan Clark, nor are you Antonio Pierce.

More importantly, Snyder pretty much said in an interview a couple of days ago that he wasn't signing old guys anymore. Unfortunately, in the NFL you are old once you go north of 30.

Thus, a role player over 30 who is only decent to begin with isn't going to be retained. Do I necessarily agree? No. But this is Danny's way: once he fixates on an idea, he usually sticks with it for good or ill.

And let's be honest: if this is really the owner's new philosophy, there are much worse ones he could have stuck to...

Posted by: jcabana | March 5, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Meaningless Sports Headline From Spring Training Baseball Game:

"Yanks Lose To Canadians"

I guess now we have to surrender territory like most countries to when they lose to a superior opponent.

I suggest we give the burly, conquering Canadians the parts of America no one cares about to stop their vanquishing bat swinging army.

Here's a short list:

Dade County
Montana
South Dakota
Nawlins
Southern California
The parts of Nevada where cathouses ain't legal
Amish country in any state where it exists
Texas Stadium
The Meadowlands
Any part of New York not responsible for hip hop...


Of course, this list is bound to offend, but hey, the Canadians beat us and they're angry.

Maybe they'll take Raljon, Md in a trade...

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 5, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a JLC basher like most clowns on this blog, but the NFC title game had 2 nine win teams. How many did the Skins have...and didn't we beat both of the Iggles and Cards? Maybe we are one win away from the a very very legit shot at the Superbowl tourney?

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 5, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

"Heyer and Jansen should be able to hold down the RT fort for another year"

Another year? They weren't able to hold down the RT fort for the last 2 years. Nothing has changed for that position since last season, when this was by far the biggest weakness on the team.

Yes, the team needs an SLB and LDE. But by no means are those two the biggest needs. Not even close. Bring in Daniels, Wynn, and cheap vet at LB, and the starting defense is set. There's absolutely no need to spend a high draft pick at either of those positions.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I am suprised that so many people on RI get fired up at them for being critical of Dan and Vinny. They're the laughing stock of the national media and JLC and J Reid have to deal with them every day. It's easy to sit at home and defend them without ever going to the park, but if I had to put up with someone treating me poorly every day, I probably wouldn't write nice things about them.

Posted by: Vinnymustgo | March 5, 2009 3:14 PM

So to gain admittance to the Park do they have to submit to strip searches and scanners like they was at an airport and on some do-not-fly list? And once inside the Park are they constantly tailed by PR details who monitor everything they do? That could turn one into a Dan&Vinny-phobe. It's not like I have shed any tears for them or anything, but I do think that they have suffered for the sins of the Wises, the Carpenters, the Wibons, the Feinsteins et al.

PS. I think a word substition would remove some cognitive dissonance from your post - see brackets below.

"It's easy to sit at home and defend [vilify] them without ever going to the park ..."


Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 5, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

where was all of this praise for Evans last season? Oh that's right, JLC lumped him in with the rest of the D-Line, a unit he called the weakest on a no-talent team. Now all of a sudden a backup from that unit is the second coming. We all know if we would have re-signed him the post would have been: How can the Redskins expect to improve by re-signing a 30 year old career backup to a multi-million dollar deal? Same ol' same ol', I'll see you real fans over on the Times blog.

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 5, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

NFL Fanhouse thinks:

13. Redskins: Ebon Britton, OT, Arizona
Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen are on the downsides of solid NFL careers and Britton would fill an obvious need along the o-line. (Previously: Aaron Maybin)
-- MS

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

We won't draft A Smith because:

a) HE IS NOT A RIGHT TACKLE (when will youse people get this in your heads??!?!?)..


Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 5, 2009 5:27 PM

NFL teams probably will not hold Smith's Sugar Bowl suspension against him much in April. However, at 6'4/330 he does not have typical left-tackle build and may project better on the right or even at guard.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 5, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Philip Daniels - YES!
Reynaldo Wynn - NO!

Posted by: Derek22MD | March 5, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, the team needs an SLB and LDE. But by no means are those two the biggest needs. Not even close. Bring in Daniels, Wynn, and cheap vet at LB, and the starting defense is set. There's absolutely no need to spend a high draft pick at either of those positions.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009"

Not to mention the recommendation that they look into Olshansky. Possibly even resign Marcus Washington which would give them a great deal more than Wynn and Daniels.

Even with Willis they still need one of those 4 or 5 tackles in top 32 list. And then some. Figure Jensen, Samuels, Thomas, Rabach are on seriously on the decline. Outside of Heyer the backups are even worst. They did get Dockery a significant upgrade ...

They still minimally need a starting left tackle and a starting guard/center.

I'm guessing they trade to get more picks to address these pressing needs.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again...turning a servicable Defensive End in to Dexter Manley. Evans was a solid contributor...that is ALL!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 5, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

"We won't draft A Smith because:

a) HE IS NOT A RIGHT TACKLE (when will youse people get this in your heads??!?!?)..
Posted by: learnedhand1

NFL teams probably will not hold Smith's Sugar Bowl suspension against him much in April. However, at 6'4/330 he does not have typical left-tackle build and may project better on the right or even at guard.

Posted by: Alan4"

Ahmmm it doesn't matter either way ... well it does THEY NEED A STARTING LEFT TACKLE ala JAKE LONG NOW! Samuels should move to right tackle after so much time spent on the IR.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 5, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Not to be a RI apologist but Jasno has been in the D Evans camp for a while. He praised him all season as the best lineman on the team.

I know that doesn't fit in with the current anti-Jasno/Reid/Cindy/WaPo campaign but you can go back through the archives and verify it yourself. D Evans, Rock Cartwright, Leigh Torrence and Mike Sellers were about the only Redskins that he wrote about in a positive light regularly.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 5, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

COrk I meant that Evans was here for 5 yrs can't jLC except the fact that maybe the coaches didn't want to resign him.

i can see where you would think i was tlaking about wynn though.

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

JLC has praised evans I admit, but we are not talking about pierce or even ryan clark here.

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

"the team's best defensive end during the 2008 season"

If this was true (which in my opinion, it isn't) it's borderline at best. He was equivalent to the two other DEs in the trio, one of which got his contract restructured so that he can be cut in 2 years, the other of which was cut this season.

"You see how they operate in free agency, and I'm not the kind of guy they value. Guys like me, Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce, guys who start at the bottom and work their way up, they don't keep those guys around."

Yet they tendered Kedrick Golston and Anthony Montgomery.

"I'm not bringing that Jason Taylor appeal."

Who was just cut.

"But I still made the sacks and tackles."

Which were very unimpressive and almost universally criticized as THE biggest weakness of this defense.

I like Evans, and I'm very grateful for what he brought to this team. But this is a business, and he was no more than a serviceable role player. Just as Daniels came before Evans, another will follow Evans. It's really not a big deal. Vinny just has to do his homework.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Wow. The man eleoquently summed up everything that is wrong with the front office and why this team is a perennial loser.

Evans certainly deserves better than the Redskins.

Posted by: Redskinrex | March 5, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

There are a bunch of problems letting Evans go. Among them, the Skins have a lot of holes to fill. Evans was a very good value ... he was our best DE last season.

When you sign guys for huge $$, you need other, more modest players, to fill spots. Over the next 2 years, we can expect up 3 OL positions to change, 2 DE, MLB, OLB, FB, punter and kicker. At risk are another OLB, nickel DB, WR, RB and QB. That's 15 of the top 30 roster slots.

A Demetric Evans is good value because they won't be able to fill even half of these slots with big money players

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

how is Evans our best end, I like him too, but Carter's better...no? they chose to tender golston and montgomery the younger contributers instead of the 8 year vet. This isn't a big surprise. You just want to nay say every single thing the skins do. I wish you were going to san fran La COOL fora

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 5, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Check out Bill Simmons podcast on ESPN, then newest one from today with Joe House, and fast forward to about 30 mins. You'll hear them talk about the D.C. sports scene and hear his buddy House talk about Snyder. I'm in total agreeance with his point of view.
We make more money than 30 other teams in the NFL and are laying off employees?
3 playoff appearances and 2 wins since Snyder took over?
Why pay Haynesworth and Hall that much money when we are clearly more than two pieces away from being a contender?
I'm as loyal and optimistic as they come but enough is enough. Build through the draft, stick to a system, develop a plan. DWere not one megastar away from anything.

Posted by: saltine182 | March 5, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

JLC is in the "camp" of whoever gives him insider information.

I was hoping we could keep Evans around, but its not like were talking about Ryan Clark or Antonio Pierce. Those guys were solid starters AND they were still very young when we let them go.

Evans is 30 and he's been a backup his whole career. the ONLY team to show him any interest is the 49ers. Evans was a hard worker and it sounds like he was a really good guy, but lets not make this guy some kind of marter.

he's a career backup we decided not to resign. And he's leaving to play in a defense he is ill-suited for because thats the only job he could get. End of story.

Posted by: bighairedaristocrat | March 5, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

It's funny that ALL the players that are praised and the worlds coming to an end when they leave are the only players that actually talk to the short, fat one!

Posted by: Lacantwrite | March 5, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

In terms of what constituted a traditional 4-3 DE Lacking Daniels, Evans was the only guy out there ...

Carter and the rest seem better suited to linebacker.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Renaldo Wynn was washed up 4 years ago!!

Posted by: jj250 | March 5, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

What bothers me is that "fans" complain that we can't get a pass rush with the defensive line we have. We go out and sign the best player at his position in the league, a CB that had 5 INT's in 9 games and a Guard we had on the team in the first place!

What Offensive Coordinator was afraid of Demetric Evans...Kedric Golston...Anthony Montgomery? Don't get me wrong...these are all good guys to have on the team, but these are not world-beaters.

Cry me a friggin' river Demetric! Teams let players go all the time and teams make bad decisions all the time. This team has made mistakes which is probably why they don't get the benefit of the doubt.

Take Heyer for example. Here's a kid that was undrafted...they take him coach him up, and "make him one of our own". We took care of Sellars, Samuels, Cooley, Cartwright, Betts, Hall (who can actually catch), Portis...

Posted by: rickyroge | March 5, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

What do Sportstalk 980 and the Washington Post have in common?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 5, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

J Ca Ca took all the great work Jason Reid provided and threw it out the window with his usual garbage.

How tall are you Ca Ca, 4'4''?

Posted by: IHateJLC | March 5, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

The HOF class of Torrence, Mason and Evans will be a truly great day for Skins fans.

Such stalwarts, such competitors, such heroes!

You remember the NFC Championship game against the Panthers when Evans pressured Del Homme into that ill-advised pass, and Torrence who'd been covering Steve Smith like a blanket all day (he held him to zero catches, remember??) and he picked it and returned it 25 yards deep into Panther territory. I still remember Torrence on the return when he reversed field 3 times and juked out practically the entire team. That set up Mason's game-winning TD run, I still see him high stepping into the endzone! Man what a day, that really cemented these guy's legacy.

Man I can't wait for the HOF induction!

Posted by: IHateJLC | March 5, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

This should prove beyond a doubt that the Skins are going for a big name DE, either in FA, trade , or the draft. I loved Demetric Evans, he was always intense and our best pass rusher when he was in- shame to see him go, he will be a monsta for the Niners. But DE has not been seriously addressed since we had Manley and Mann, absolutely HUGE is a strong pass rush for generating turnovers, destroying drives, field position- a turnover leading to a touchdown is worth not 7 points, but 10 or 14..But this time, when we choose the beastie we need, let's make sure the defensive head coach agrees with the selection (which Blache didn't with Taylor)..There's a beast out there, if the Redskins are willing to relentlessly research...

Posted by: frak | March 5, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

"There's a beast out there, if the Redskins are willing to relentlessly research...

Posted by: frak | March 5, 2009"

Yes, apparently there is and the Skins now have him. His name is Haynesworth and apparently he is more effective rushing from the edges where he often ends up in one-and-one blocking. That is how Tennessee used him. Its possible Montgomery may fit there as well.

Most of the "ends" seem more like linebackers in the 4-3. Jackson, Wilson, and Carter.

They are lacking at linebacker all that much at end.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

this is my issue if the skins decide to sign Elton Brown and Ray willis to complete the right side and Elton Brown being the replacement for Randy Thomas my queston would be this how long would you sign Elton Brown for and how long do you keep him as a back up and eventually put him in the starting lineup, now as for defenseat end the skins need left end a lot faster than they need right end and they need ends that are over 270 pounds if the skins draft Jackson in the first round they can find starting linebackers in the third round and fifth rounds and sixth rounds but before they address the dline they have to make sure the right side of the oline is secured.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | March 5, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

rmnkevorkian, have you ever heard of punctuation?

Seriously, I haven't seen a sentence that long since reading "Let Us Now Praise Famous Men"!

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 5, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Has it occurred to you and for Evans for that matter and JLC that maybe the team didn't want Evan back? Maybe his production is not worth bringing him back...Seems to me if you can't keep a guy at 8 mill for the same production why have the same production for a smaller amount? Does that seem smart and improving your D line? So you get the same results for smaller money...Seems catch 22 to me...Damn if ya do damn if ya don't....Seems like it would not be very hard at hall to get better production gong a new younger direction.......

WHY ARE YOU SO BITTER JLC? Be a beat writer for once ....

Posted by: leevi98

D Evans did not get near the pass rushing opportunites that Carter and JT got. He was often used at DT and even dropped into coverage. He played all DL positions. He frequently made penetration to make tackles or disrupt against the run. You rarely saw him really screw up. He said it all; he's not as sexy as JT, but he fits right into the category of guys like Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark who played their butts off for us, made us a better team, then got shown the door with not even a thanks. Absolutely idiotic move, considering we'll probably be bringing in an older and probably no more productive Wynn for a higher price.

Posted by: kenboy1 | March 5, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

It's funny that ALL the players that are praised and the worlds coming to an end when they leave are the only players that actually talk to the short, fat one!

Posted by: Lacantwrite | March 5, 2009 7:36 PM |

Yeah! I remember last year when we cut the Pro Bowl punter Frost. Then, didnt he get cut by the Packers?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 5, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

OMG-- Rocky McIntosh's agent gets schooled by the Ultimate Warrior while our ol' LB asks for an autograph. Funny stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wjoLIHxIW8&feature=related (rick roll free, I promise)

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 5, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I think what happened here is that Philip Daniels has made substantial progress on his recovery. There was a quote by him a week ago saying he is running well, and expects full recovery. I suspect that the team made the assessment that he was ready to go, and Evans would not be needed.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 5, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Evans was another one of JLCs inside sources... like Torrence?

Posted by: siris | March 5, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

A guy takes a week off and the whole world goes crazy.²

²At least, if you define the whole world by what's going on with the Redskins.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 5, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

mr. kevorkian

'...if the skins decide to sign Elton Brown and Ray willis to complete the right side...'


This is a very common sense move.

Signing both of these guys immediately provides depth and versitility to the one side of the ball where the skins are sorely lacking: o-line.

We sign them, and draft an o-lineman at 13 or in the 3rd round.

Remember: the single most important issue next season is the contiued maturation of Jasn Campbell.

Making sure he has servicable, dependable blockers in front of him removes the issue of, "Hey, he'd be much better if the skins had a line."

If the skins build and improve the line, and he remains to be the guy we know him to be--hold the ball too long, won't fit the ball into tight spaces, doesn't hit guys in stride to get the YAC--we know we need to draft the next new savior and cut ties with him quick.

If the line improves and he does also, he gets a new deal, and we have a savior.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 5, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

'...Renaldo Wynn was washed up 4 years ago!!...'

Yes: But Vonnie Holiday can still play.

So can Daniels and D Brooks.

I'd kick Dre Bly's'L. Bodden's tires and see if the vet minimum with incentives and 4th corner/nickle back sounds like a winner for dinner.

They're old, but with a good D, they're just temporary pieces who complement Prince Albert and MeAngelo.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 5, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Quitting RI is harder than quitting coffee, cigarettes, blow, crack, and heroin combined. Good luck with that leevi98.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2009 5:46 PM |

HAHAHA, ROFLCOPTERS! I guess there's no Methadone for RI Withdrawal.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 5, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

What do you think about picking up Roy Williams? He's too slow & fat to play a cover safety... but maybe a small linebacker...

Posted by: tabcl1 | March 5, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Now the team is sorting through older ends believing that basically anyone can play end here now that Albert Haynesworth has arrived.

JLC back this up with some facts, what older ends are they sorting threw.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 5, 2009 6:26 PM

YES! For the love of God, yes, FACTS! FACTS ... and a LINK to those FACTS.

Note to etrod: Mrs. Sellers and Mrs. Cartwright would prefer that you not draw attention to that particular facet of the beat reporter's reviews ... didn't work out so well for Dr. Evans and Mrs. Torrence.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Dre Bly ... now there's an interesting idea ... I wonder if he could do the free safety thing like they once muttered about a possibility for Springs ... free up Landry to do what he does best ... mayhem.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Ok I know I said i was done on this blog but I must say one more thing....

If evans was all that...how come NOBODY has reprted any article on the fact the 49ers signed him? Not on Fox Espn CBS or any of the majors....RI is the only place who reported this...Why because he played here of course. But doesn't that tell ya something? He was not even important enough to report he signed anywhere.....Also it wasn't like teams were betaing down the guys door. What a JOKE

Posted by: leevi98 | March 5, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Quitting RI is harder than quitting coffee, cigarettes, blow, crack, and heroin combined. Good luck with that leevi98.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2009 5:46 PM |

your right...It is very tough to stay away from poting on this blog...I mean with all the dumb idiots stuff you read on here....It's very hard not to comment!

Posted by: leevi98 | March 5, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

"They're old, but with a good D, they're just temporary pieces who complement Prince Albert and MeAngelo.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 5, 2009 "

Samari Rolle might be leaving the Ravens ... he would definitely fit.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Pot would explain many of the posts on this blog, leevi98.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 5, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

"You see how they operate in free agency, and I'm not the kind of guy they value. Guys like me, Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce, guys who start at the bottom and work their way up, they don't keep those guys around. So, I never, never thought I would be coming back to Washington."

That's disturbing, it's like what's the point in building a team from the ground up at all?

Posted by: Josh7 | March 5, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah! I remember last year when we cut the Pro Bowl punter Frost. Then, didnt he get cut by the Packers?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 5, 2009 8:40 PM

One of the franchise's darkest days... releasing Chokey McShank HOF Frostie!

He was just too emotional to keep booming those 35 yarders for the Pack after the Skins let him go. Sad. Very sad.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 5, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

That's disturbing, it's like what's the point in building a team from the ground up at all?

Posted by: Josh7 | March 5, 2009 9:13 PM

Its also crap. They tried to keep Pierce, Smoot, Dockery, and Evans. They all walked and a couple of them came back first chance they got.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 5, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Dam, it keeps not letting me post this with the links but Leevi you are wrong. The story was covered in at least:

PFT:


NFL.com/Schfter


ESPN

and NFL.coms Pat Kirwan's had him in his top 50 free agents

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I get a kick out of JLC and some on this board.

JLC puts up many, many, many posts on how the Redskins need to get more draft picks instead of dumping them in deals, how they need to stock pile depth through the draft and how they need to be more like NE, Pittsburgh, etc. Well, NE, Pitts, Balt and such teams wouldn't have had Evans here for 5 years. He'd have been gone 2 years ago. When you draft players, you have to have a roster spot for them. I'd rather keep Jackson for another year than resign a guy who turns 30 by week 1.

Role players are nice but the reality is that young players need roster spots and Evans wasn't getting any better, he is what he is. You can't wish the team built depth through the draft but then clamor to keep every role player reaching 30.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | March 5, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Some small moves mean a lot.

The iggles traded wide receiver Greg Lewis to the pats for a pick.

Wow: think of that!

I'm wondering if there's a market for somebody like Greg Lewis, what's the market for Antawn "Fair Catch" Randle El?

I bet he's worth a 4th round pick, something which, given the scant picks we have, would be worth moving him.

Suitors, you ask?:

Panthas, Jets, Ravens, Bucs, Raiders, Bengals

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 5, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

The fat bag of pus writes:

"Redskins end Demetric Evans, a valuable and versatile contributor during his five seasons in Washington, and the team's best defensive end during the 2008 season..."

Wrong again.

Evans: 16 games, 11 games started, 33 tackles, 20 solo, 13 assists, 3.5 sacks.

Carter: 16 games, 14 games started, 37 tackles, 23 solo, 14 assists, 4 sacks.

The tubby dork gets worse by the day. What a worthless bum.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 5, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Gentleman (and ladies) of the Redskins Insider, I bring to you...The abridged story of Vinny Cerrato and the Redskins as told by Sylvester Stallone...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo6ne5D8WqY

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 5, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

chRiSlaRry, I think this link is what you were trying to post.

Interestingly, this Top 50 FA list has Evans at #40 and Dockery at #50.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 5, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Alan4. It was weird I had a post with 4 links. 3 that covered the Evens/49ers sigNING At NFL.com/PFT/ESPN and than the Kirwan list and it kept rejecting it....strange

Bottom line is Leevi at lest come correct. Your assertion the Evens signing wasn't covered was ridiculous.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know whats up with Olshansky?

Guess it doesn't matter ... I think almost 8 million of the cap (dead cap) goes mostly to Brandon Lloyd and Todd Wade (at tackle!!).

they currently have around 11 million or so ... but some of that has to be used to pay the players they haven't ponied up for ... like Golston and Montgomery ... mebbe Campbell ... looks like 9 million will go to CP ... that's 17 million in wasted cap already.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Dead Bonus Money on 2009 Cap
WR Brandon Lloyd $5,333
CB Shawn Springs $2,483
LB Marcus Washington $2,020
OL Todd Wade $1,167
DE Phillip Daniels $314

I was wrong its worst than I thought ...

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Got a challenge for you. Instead of crying about the Post's negativism, why don't YOU write this up with a POSITIVE approach.

Tell us the positives in losing a low-cost starting end, who can shift to DT, who wanted to stay here, yet never got a contract.

Tell us how it's an upgrade to plan to replace him with Daniels, or Reynaldo Wynn, or, perhaps Bruce Smith or Gene Brito?

Tell us the plus over overrating JT and underrating D. Evans?

Please, let us know the good times about signing a guy for $100 mill, then losing a solid tam player who didn't even gripe publicly about having his NUMBER taken away from him because the New Guy will sell more jerseys.

Don't run away and hide, defend your point of view. If you're convincing, maybe you earn some converts...


Posted by: TheCork | March 5, 2009 6:04 PM |
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And I've got a challenge for you, you fat maggot:

Defend the tubby dork's opening line in his post -

"Redskins end Demetric Evans, a valuable and versatile contributor during his five seasons in Washington, and the team's best defensive end during the 2008 season,"

Take your time, Corksucker; with a little help from your Dollar Store joke books, I'm sure you'll muddle through.

Selah.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 5, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

why don't we sing matt stover for 1 year?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | March 5, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

periculum: "Samuels should move to right tackle after so much time spent on the IR."

I'm sure it's just me, but what's the logic here? We need a right tackle with injury problems whose main skill is pass blocking?

Some mysteries are just unplumbable...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"why don't we sing matt stover for 1 year?
Posted by: slimbo-Rice"

OK hum a few bars willya?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

sorry, a little drunk but baltimore is not resigning him

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | March 5, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Overvalue the wrong guys, undervalue the right ones. It's a DAN SNYDER thing. JASON who? Have a great balance of your career DEMETRIC. Thanks for the memories.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure it's just me, but what's the logic here? We need a right tackle with injury problems whose main skill is pass blocking?

Some mysteries are just unplumbable...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2009 9:46 PM

Whoa buddy, Samuels is a very athletic and effective run blocker.

I'm calling bullsh!t on JLaDeDa and the Wynn rumor. I haven't heard anything else about it anywhere and you ALWAYS hear it some place else first. He's just reaching with nothing to back it up.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 5, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

nice slimbo...drunk blogging...keep it coming!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

nice slimbo...drunk blogging...keep it coming!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse


do you think shuisahm is better than stover?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | March 5, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 5, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

"Its also crap. They tried to keep Pierce, Smoot, Dockery, and Evans. They all walked and a couple of them came back first chance they got.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 5, 2009"

So right!! ... at this point its the dead cap that is killing them ... as Snidely pointed out paying guys huge sums when they are past their prime ... like Clinton Portis.

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

So we're to have TWO - that's two mid-thirties DE's instead of BRIAN ORAKPO? Listen, I know the "DANCING BEAR" is available and probably for the league minimum. And he's only 69 until the season starts. Sign him up. JEEZE LOUISE.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

"why don't we sing matt stover for 1 year?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | March 5, 2009"

Good question ... answered by the salary cap and their "master plan". Sigh ... can't wait until the draft is done ...

For CL: Paraphrased from the Original Monster Mash:
"Ohh Monster Mash gooooooodd (referring to AH stomping on helmetless heads) ... ah Snidely Owl you impetuous young boy ...

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

"So we're to have TWO - that's two mid-thirties DE's instead of BRIAN ORAKPO? Listen, I know the "DANCING BEAR" is available and probably for the league minimum. And he's only 69 until the season starts. Sign him up. JEEZE LOUISE.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2009"

Orapko would be a linebacker in the 4-3 ... not unlike last year's DE draft pick Rob Jackson, or Chris Wilson ... or even Andre Carter ...

And there are reports of injury issues with him as well ....

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I saw Renaldo Wynn at Target on the night of Obama's inauguration in Sterling. He bought 14 $100 gift cards that night! His "droopy" eyes and height gave him away. However, he really looked old! Almost 50 years old and he lost a lot of weight! Plus, his hands looked like they just came out of a battle some where (all dried up and gnarly looking). Out of respect to him, I did not talk to him but I knew who he was right away since he was one of the Redskins that I admired during his playing days. There is no way he will ever play football again based on what I saw that night.

Posted by: JohnWWW | March 5, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

They could decide to draft someone like Maybin and then you'd have your DE.

But then no OT, no OLB.

Maybin, Orapko, Smith/Oher ... round and round the mulberry bush ... ashes, ashes we all fall down!

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | March 5, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Well, if JC doesn't pan out we can always sign Mike Vick for peanuts mid-season, just another aging veteran signing in the middle of a campaign like we always do. Actually he's probably gonna half to sit for at least half a season, so why not just sign him now? It might be a big splash if our game against the falcons is in the second half? I say go for it!

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 5, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

First off let me say I liked Evans and don't understand why they didn't sign him. That being said I would just like to say the reporting on this 'insider' is sickening. Evans was a good player but these guys are making him sound like a top notch DE that's the skins let walk out of here, blah, blah. If the Skins would have signed him they would have said the Skins wasted money on a mediocre D-lineman. Just can't win with these guys, no matter what the Skins do they are gonna nit pick it to death. You two jerks need to remember the people reading this are Redskins FANS

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | March 5, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 5, 2009 9:55 PM |
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I'm not a fan of the Moonie Times.

P.S. I did have a Washington Star paper route, back in the 1970s. Just for full disclosure.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 5, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Don't bring Wynn south of the NJ line...(but he did look better with the Giants, didn't he?)

Posted by: ElYeah | March 5, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

First!

Posted by: bastee | March 5, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Let's see...

We let Pierce go...we get London Fletcher

We let Clark go...we get Laron Landry

We let Springs go...we get (26 year old) D'Angelo Hall

Wow...this is the worst front office in the league.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 5, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Tyson Jackson from LSU is a much younger Demetric Evans. He will be a skin if we trade down.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 5, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

thunder,

was that an afternoon route?

Posted by: bangkokben | March 5, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

"Two years ago, a friend of mine, asked me to say some MC rhymes, so I said this rhyme, I'm about to say.....


Posted by: rickyroge | March 5, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

thunder,

was that an afternoon route?

Posted by: bangkokben | March 5, 2009 10:29 PM
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Yes, it was. In fact, it was an evening route if I got detention. (Which would result in tons of irate neighbors calling my house, so I learned not to get in trouble.)
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 5, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge

"...the rhyme was dapper and it went this way, took a test to become an MC..."

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 5, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

By the time I was delivering papers, the Star was out of business. I hated getting up early and delivering in the cold and ice. Snow was okay.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 5, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Sorry MistaMoe,

It's "The rhyme was def"

Posted by: rickyroge | March 5, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

On weekends, it was the morning for the Star, too. It was pretty damn cold, sometimes!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 5, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Let me take a wild guess here. Periculum is posting on the WashTimes as Priest Holmes badmouthing Portis some more. CP is the one of the least of our problems. Cut his carries some and fix the line and we will get 2 more good years out of the guy. He's had an excellent career and is a gamer.

Dead cap money is not killing this team. Half the teams in the league have tons of cap space left. But yet you don't see them throwing cash at was is left on the free agent market. And there is such a simple answer to this, they are not worth it and are not better than what is currently on the roster. Not everything is gonna get fixed in 1 offseason.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 5, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

This just shows you that JLC and the rest of these so called reporters dont know anything. according to this story the redskins didnt pursue him, but if you look at the earlier post on evans they state that the 49ers and the skins were both battling to get him with contract negotiations.

So what is it, did the skins try to keep him or did not want to keep him

JLC you are confusing me

Posted by: GreatOne1 | March 5, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Igors visiting the cowboys tomorrow. it might be now or never to make a move for the guy.

Posted by: amsaul | March 5, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't think this was such a negative post. The facts were: Evans was the best Dlineman the Skins had this past year, he knows Blache's the system as well as anyone, he was versatile and actually started to come into his own this past yr. When he was on the field, I don't remember the Skins D ever suffering because of it. He was a team player and wanted to prove he should be a starter in this league. And most of all he wouldn't of cost much to resign and now the Skins will be scrambling to fill that hole left by his departure

Posted by: ga8085 | March 5, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

any chance the Skins get in on Matt Stover?

Posted by: IHateJLC | March 5, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't think this was such a negative post. The facts were: Evans was the best Dlineman the Skins had this past year,

Posted by: ga8085 | March 5, 2009 11:05 PM |
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The statistics don't back up your claim of "fact."

Evans: 16 games, 11 games started, 33 tackles, 20 solo, 13 assists, 3.5 sacks.
Carter: 16 games, 14 games started, 37 tackles, 23 solo, 14 assists, 4 sacks.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 5, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Stover says he's available. It would be a slightly longer commute for him, but otherwise...

Not a bad solution until a young strong leg comes along if the money is right.

Posted by: edvar | March 5, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Stats don't say everything. To compare his numbers to Carter doesn't make sense, because they didn't necessarily have the same responsibilities and assignments. FACT is, Evans was more versatile and could move inside when need be. And from watching games, I didn't see teams targeting Evans side when they ran the ball.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 5, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line is Leevi at lest come correct. Your assertion the Evens signing wasn't covered was ridiculous.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 9:36 PM

I am correct you are taking things in context. I said it was not repotred by the majors..ya know headlines? Of course you will find it on Profootball sites like nfl.com etc..DUH! I'm talking about the national headlines...It's being made out like this guy all of sudden is a HOFamer and the Skins let him go is a mistake.....

No headline here

http://espn.go.com/nfl/ or here

http://msn.foxsports.com/named/FS/NFL

or here

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl


I think you get my point...It's not a headline...the Skins won't be any worse or better with or without him.

Posted by: leevi98 | March 5, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Some small moves mean a lot.

The iggles traded wide receiver Greg Lewis to the pats for a pick.

Wow: think of that!

I'm wondering if there's a market for somebody like Greg Lewis, what's the market for Antawn "Fair Catch" Randle El?

I bet he's worth a 4th round pick, something which, given the scant picks we have, would be worth moving him.

Suitors, you ask?:

Panthas, Jets, Ravens, Bucs, Raiders, Bengals

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Of all the posts I have read today....this one makes much sense....getting some value for ARE would be a great move....and it would allow the FO to do what they like to do....draft a receiver.

Posted by: redlotparty | March 5, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Stats don't say everything. To compare his numbers to Carter doesn't make sense, because they didn't necessarily have the same responsibilities and assignments. FACT is, Evans was more versatile and could move inside when need be. And from watching games, I didn't see teams targeting Evans side when they ran the ball.
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Oh, brilliant.

You're right. Carter received more playing time because he isn't as good as Evans.

Don't get too dizzy spinning, pal.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 5, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Funny to see so many people taking out their frustrations of a lack of a dominant Redskins team in many years on JLC....the guy tells its how it is...and if some of you think he's just purely negative on the Skins or has no idea what he's talking about, go read some other blog or some other paper...there's plenty of other choices.

Posted by: azinat1 | March 5, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

I guarantee I will no longer have to look through my binoculors and then ask my friend.."tell me again, who is 92"

Replacing Evans will not be hard and it is likely to happen through FA soon

Posted by: redlotparty | March 5, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

What?
Carter received more playing time because he was the unquestioned starter coming into the season andthe Skins thought Taylor was the answer at DE and when he couldn't cut it, Evans came in and did a solid job.
Right now, they have no one to fill that DE position with any confidence, that's the bottom line. He atlease could of been a quality backup on the Dline.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 5, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

the guy tells its how it is...

Posted by: azinat1 | March 5, 2009 11:38 PM |
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He frequently posts "facts" that are easily checked and debunked.

And he never breaks news.

Yes, he tells it like it ain't.

I don't object to Skins-bashing, I object to sloppy work.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 5, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm calling bullsh!t on JLaDeDa and the Wynn rumor. I haven't heard anything else about it anywhere and you ALWAYS hear it some place else first. He's just reaching with nothing to back it up.

Posted by: scampbell1975

JLC is right about this one.....CSN reported it as well. However, it was not really a "strong" comment....they stated the Skins may bring back Daniels or Wynn. I think Daniels has the upper hand.

But could you all please quit bashing Wynn? He is a class act through and through and did lots for the community. Wynn started a "foundation" for kids when he was here (and enlisted other Skins players) to take 100 kids shopping for the holidays(probably that is who the gift cards were far that Johnw say him buying). And he has kept this up since being cut by the Skins....returns every year during the holidays to take the kids shopping - despite not being a Skin anymore.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 5, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Funny to see so many people taking out their frustrations of a lack of a dominant Redskins team in many years on JLC....the guy tells its how it is...and if some of you think he's just purely negative on the Skins or has no idea what he's talking about, go read some other blog or some other paper...there's plenty of other choices.Posted by: azinat1
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Hey azinat1, you know what is funnier? JLC posts this "inside" report at 5pm and I heard the same news on the radio at 8am on 980....JLC is the Redskins Outsider. We want news when it happens and we don't need all the editorial comments that he is providing. Folks that get on this blog do so to get news from each other and not info from the consumate "outsider".

Posted by: redlotparty | March 5, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Leevi, 2/3 of the free agent moves are not homepage items. That proves nothing. Come on man, stick to your pledge!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Carter and Evans are the same age.

Not only was Carter better than Evans statistically last season, he's far better in his career numbers.

Carter: 336 tackles, 267 solo, 69 assists, 52.5 sacks, 11 FF.

Evans: 147 tackles, 106 solo, 41 assists, 13.0 sacks, 3 FF.

I have nothing against D. Evans, but claiming he was the "best DE the Redskins had in 2008" is pure BS, and his career stats show what he really is - a decent worker; a journeyman.

PS: The San Francisco Chronicle BARELY mentions the Evans signing. He's getting way more ink here than he is in SF.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 5, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

lisa, i am sure wynn is a good dude. he should retire and continue his good works!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Renaldo Wynn is soooooo old he remembers what the best thing was before sliced bread

Posted by: redlotparty | March 5, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 5, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is talking about career numbers. If you want to mention that, than statistically, Jason Taylor was their best D lineman.
Evans was MUCH better against the run than Carter was. Not saying Evans is their best lineman, but for the 2008 season, he performed better against the run then Carter did, that's for sure.
Let me ask you this? Would you feel more comfortable bringing in someone like Daniels or Wynn than having Evans back with the team? I know I wouldn't. And at this point the Skins don't have many options. If they already had a stud DE coming in or signed, I could understand them letting Evans go. But there's nobody at that position now.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 5, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

The 49ers also signed QB Damon Huard.

From the San Francisco Chronicle's "49ers Insider by Kevin Lynch" comes this post:

Well blow me down with a feather. Huard and Evans? Let me get out my chisel, and start makings their busts for the HOF. Christ Almighty! I guess I can quit now. Problems solved.

Posted By: del_mar_dennis | March 05 2009 at 09:30 AM
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See? Every team's fans blog is basically the same... The difference being this blog is written by a lazy, slipshod know-nothing.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 6, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

If they already had a stud DE coming in or signed, I could understand them letting Evans go. But there's nobody at that position now.

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Plenty of time to solve that situation...a situation they decided they would have to address when they let Jason Taylor go

Posted by: redlotparty | March 6, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

"Stats don't say everything. To compare his numbers to Carter doesn't make sense, because they didn't necessarily have the same responsibilities and assignments. FACT is, Evans was more versatile and could move inside when need be. And from watching games, I didn't see teams targeting Evans side when they ran the ball.

Posted by: ga8085

ga, please don't over-inflate Evans.

Evans was not the most versatile lineman last year. That distinction belongs to Jason Taylor, who lined up all over the field, at LDE, RDE, OLB, "roamer", in the 3-point stance, 2-point stance, and was even put into coverage, effectively, against running backs. And guess what? Jason Taylor was cut --- deservedly.

Nor was Evans the most productive, as Andre Carter led all defensive lineman in tackles, sacks, and tackles for loss. Evans wasn't even more productive than Jason Taylor, who ended up tied in sacks, but had 9 passes defensed (versus Evans' 2).

AND when Dallas and Baltimore (particularly Baltimore) had their 4th quarter, game-killing drives in their victories, the ball was run straight at Demetric Evans more often than not.

Look, I like Evans and it was great the way he was able to measure up to Taylor and Carter last season. But please, every one of the DEs were inadequate last season. One of them was cut outright, another was restructured so that he can be cut in 2 years, and Evans was not retained. It shouldn't be too surprising. Could we use him? Sure. Are we going to miss him? Depends. IMO, he'll be easily replaced by a combination of Daniels and Wynn, and I can guarantee there are a number of younger guys out there waiting to prove they can be the next Evans. Just as Daniels was here before Evans, another will follow after Evans. These guys are replaceable, just as Evans showed us last year. As long as Vinny does his homework, this team will not miss Evans one bit.

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Well blow me down with a feather. Huard and Evans? Let me get out my chisel, and start makings their busts for the HOF. Christ Almighty! I guess I can quit now. Problems solved.

Posted By: del_mar_dennis

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Very funny!

Posted by: redlotparty | March 6, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Plenty of time to solve that situation...a situation they decided they would have to address when they let Jason Taylor go

Posted by: redlotparty | March 6, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Plenty of time, but not plenty of options out there. And if you decide to go with a DE in the 1st round, you still don't know what your getting and your not helping the Oline any. My point is, there was no negatives in resigning Evans, and he wouldn't of cost an arm and leg to get back either.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 6, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Okay, you can compare JT and Carter's stats to Evans, and it's not that big of a disparity, but what is a huge difference is their salaries. Bringing back Evans at a low price wouldn't if hindered this team in any way.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 6, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

"Bringing back Evans at a low price wouldn't if hindered this team in any way.

Posted by: ga8085"

Probably not, you're right. I wanted to bring Evans back. I thought it would have been a good decision. But I'm also not killing the team over it. Somebody else will be able to step in. There's no doubt in my mind about that, so long as Vinny doesn't settle for nothing.

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Evans thanks, move on! Someone took your number not your job. Grow up.

Posted by: phatem | March 6, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Point taken. But your last sentence haunts me. Who was that DE from Minnesota that they traded a 7th rounder for? I'd be alot more confident if they had the option of being able to fall back on an Evans instead of having Vinnie dig up another gem. I hope I'm proven wrong..

Posted by: ga8085 | March 6, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

ga, that's a legit concern. So we'll see. As long as it's not a gamble (like on a perennially injured, unproven guy with "upside") this FO has been pretty good with late round, under the radar, or unknown free agent pickups. Monty, Golston, Evans, Pierce, Clark, Horton, Moore, Blades, Doughty, all these guys have been really good pickups and stepped up when called upon. If there's one thing this FO actually does well, it's bringing in these types of guys.

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

I was with you until you mentioned Douty....that guy gets burned all the time and makes too many mistakes...may he stay injured.

Posted by: redlotparty | March 6, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

By the way....COULD SOMEONE PLEASE TELL THE REDSKINS TO SIGN MATT STOVER!!!!???

He's available...and probably desperate for a job now that the RAVEN have shown they are "going in a different direction".

Is there an issue with him I am unaware?? Leg Strength?? We know he is reliable.

If he is cheap...the REDSKINS should jump on him.

Posted by: goosedude | March 6, 2009 2:52 AM | Report abuse

They post to attract our eyeballs. So in exchange, shouldn't we as readers expect some truth in advertising? Shouldn't we expect them to actually provide insider information, rather than being the last ones to get news on their hometown team?

I don't think that's too much to ask. Itf it is, they should change the name of this place from "Redskins Insider" to "Redskins Chatroom, With Insider Info Provided By Our Readers."

Posted by: jcabana | March 5, 2009 2:22 PM |

Because of the way the regular WaPo sports journalists like Sally Jenkins dump on Snyder and the Skins, RI is never going to get any scoops from the team as to what they are doing. That is a given. The team has its preferred media outlets and they will always get any scoops like the signing of AH that the team can make available. But RI can still be an informative blog. For instance, it can tap into NFL sources for information on the Skins that allow for perspective. Say, RI can canvas talent evaluators from other teams to get some idea about what are the pluses and minuses of Jason Campbell's performance to date and whether or not he will ever make it to an elite level. So there is a valuable contribution that RI can provide. As far as the use of the word "insider" goes, it might be somewhat of a misnomer, but "insider" information is provided, it just doesn't come from Redskins Park.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 6, 2009 4:22 AM | Report abuse

From the San Francisco Chronicle's "49ers Insider by Kevin Lynch" comes this post:

Well blow me down with a feather. Huard and Evans? Let me get out my chisel, and start makings their busts for the HOF. Christ Almighty! I guess I can quit now. Problems solved.

Posted By: del_mar_dennis | March 05 2009 at 09:30 AM

"blow me down with a feather"? Maybe "blow me down" or "knock me over with a feather", but not this! Geeseth. Mixed exclamations is a dastardly posting sin.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 6, 2009 4:44 AM | Report abuse

"Demetric Evans Moving On"

...Hopefully, we will soon be hearing the same about our fav-orite "beat" writer, JLC.

C'mon, you gotta admit, JReid is way, way, stomp-on-our-face better.

Posted by: hithere1 | March 6, 2009 6:04 AM | Report abuse

By the way....COULD SOMEONE PLEASE TELL THE REDSKINS TO SIGN MATT STOVER!!!!???

Posted by: goosedude | March 6, 2009 2:52 AM

Um, no thanks. The Skins don't need a 40+ year-old stop gap who can't kick beyond 40 yards out. I don't know why they didn't make a run at Mike Nugent...dude is young and an instant upgrade over Suisham. Guess the FO isn't interested in upgrading kicker since you can't exactly sell their jerseys.

And why are folks so fired up to get another DE in FA? I know it's a rare and awkward occurence here, but how about DRAFTING ONE? No one can tell me that Renaldo f-ing Wynn is somehow a better option than plugging Orakpo in Week 1.

This is the domino effect of problems the Skins will have to live with for drafting a bunch of pass catchers in Round 2 last year...you still haven't addressed the problems on either line. I have a hard time believing that Calais Campbell or Philip Merling wouldn't have been better than the undersized street FAs they have on the roster now. And then they could turn their attention toward building the O-line this year. Well, at least we've got Fred Davis as a backup!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 6:17 AM | Report abuse

Wow...is today a holiday? Where is everybody?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

""blow me down with a feather"? Maybe "blow me down" or "knock me over with a feather", but not this! Geeseth. Mixed exclamations is a dastardly posting sin.Posted by: AntonChigurh"

Listen, if you live in a glass house, you damn well better stop rolling your moss downhill.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

brownwood: "This is the domino effect of problems the Skins will have to live with for drafting a bunch of pass catchers in Round 2 last year...you still haven't addressed the problems on either line. I have a hard time believing that Calais Campbell or Philip Merling wouldn't have been better than the undersized street FAs they have on the roster now."

It's a problem with overdrafting in any one category in the same draft. If you hit, you look brilliant. If you miss, you're Vinny Cerrato.

You had other needs, and you skipped them, and then the next season you only have four picks... you see the problem.

Merling would have been a good choice as a run-stopping DE, and Evans would probably have been let go, then brought back when Daniels got hurt. Redskins game aside, Merling's no pass rusher, and that's what they needed most last year (and didn't get.)

A lot of people have noted that Campbell was a bad fit for Blache's scheme, and that's probably accurate, too. Could have been a real bust, in other words.

Vinny gambled, he lost. For a year, at least; Thomas and Davis could be a big help this season, and Kelly -- we'll have to see.

I don't, however

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2009 7:53 AM | Report abuse

If they can only sign either Elton Brown or Ray Willis, which one would you want? Both would be nice, but I would rather have Brown (to backup Randy) so they are almost forced to draft a tackle in the 1st round. No one knows for sure if they'll be able to trade back.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 6, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

"Vinny gambled, he lost. For a year, at least; Thomas and Davis could be a big help this season, and Kelly -- we'll have to see."

I think Davis will have a much better year, and Kelly IF he stays on the field. It seemed obvious to me that Campbell had no faith in Thomas. I'm afraid Thomas will be the bust of the group.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 6, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Samson,

At this point it doesn't much matter whether Merling is a pure pass rusher or not...right now they just need a body under the age of 35! It seems to me that it's rare you draft a guy who's already a finished product so even though Merling might not be a great pass rusher on draft day, you hope to develop him into at least a solid one. From what I've seen, they're not exactly looking for that at the LDE position anyway.

But last year's draft is a perfect example of this FO's flawed philosophy on building a team. You build from the line of scrimmage back, and they seem inclined to do it the other way around. The Skins went and drafted 2 safeties in the Top 10 in a 4 year span and then followed that up with a run of 3 pass catchers in Round 2 last year...that's not where you build a team.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

"Evans was credited with 3 ½ sacks last season -- same as Taylor -- though Evans should have had four. "


WOW


really?


Leigh Torrence "should've" had 8 interceptions, too.

And Marcus Mason "should've" led the league in rushing.

wtf does it mean when you say someone should've had more in a statistical area.


really, wow

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 6, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

yoder

'...If they can only sign either Elton Brown or Ray Willis, which one would you want?'


I'd want the guy who can play rt the best.

If tape reveals that he's an upgrade over Heyer and Jansen, that opens up the option of taking an attractive c/g player like Alex Mack or Antione Caldwell to replace Rabach.

It also allows the team to option of dangling the pick at 13 to move down and gain an additional depth, low round pick
as the need for a rt isn't as strong as it was before.

Yes: folks--me, too--like the Maybin, Orakpo pick.

(BTW: Moe fears the M Jenkins rumors are more than just that. Does anyone think the skins will draft Jenkins?)

But having the ability to make choices while acquiring an additional pick would be nice.

We could, of course, test the waters and dangle Randle El and his now affordable contract for a pick in the same way the iggles moved Gred Lewis and got value.

But that requires working from a position of foresight from a team that seems to be most inclined to work the foreskin instead.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 6, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

"EAGLES GET A FIVE, GIVE A SEVEN IN LEWIS DEAL
Posted by Mike Florio on March 5, 2009, 9:09 p.m. EST
Various media reports are indicating the balance of the deal that sent receiver Greg Lewis to New England from Philadelphia.

As it turns out, the Eagles get the Pats’ fifth-round pick in 2009, and the Pats get the Eagles’ seventh-round pick in 2010.

The transaction gives the Eagles twelve picks in the upcoming draft."

Draft Picks in the NFC East:

Dallas: 8? (Heard 11 on here yesterday)
New York: 9
Philly: 12
Washington: 4

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 6, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Truth, I think what was trying to be said here was that he was originally credited with 4 sacks and I think the league came back and made one of those sacks a half sack. A ridiculous assertion would be "if Carlos Rogers had hands he'd average 6 picks a year".

I'm far from a JLC apologist, but I think this was one of the few statements that weren't loaded.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, just as the signing of Willis and/or Brown should not prevent the team from drafting a premier tackle in the first round, the signing of Wynn and/or Daniels should not prevent the team from drafting a DE. If it happens, it should happen regardless of what mediocre talent is already on the field.

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

How would Dallas have 8 picks if they trade 3 picks for Roy Williams? That Cleveland trade would have loaded them up last year, not this year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse

"(BTW: Moe fears the M Jenkins rumors are more than just that. Does anyone think the skins will draft Jenkins?)"

Well they better trade Carlos beforehand for more picks. I've seen Jenkins go before 13 in most mocks, but he's probably fallen after his slow 40. I'd probably stop watching the draft to go vomit if this happened though.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 6, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse

brownwood,

I counted picks from nfldraftsite.com

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 6, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Dallas also traded Anthony Fasano and Anthony Henry, though I'm not sure what picks they got.

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, just as the signing of Willis and/or Brown should not prevent the team from drafting a premier tackle in the first round, the signing of Wynn and/or Daniels should not prevent the team from drafting a DE. If it happens, it should happen regardless of what mediocre talent is already on the field.

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 8:15 AM

Yeah, but this is a FO and coaching staff that LOVES veterans. And getting those old heads would likely lead to them playing more prominent roles on the team than they should. The roster spots are limited; this team is not nearly as close to a contender as they think they are and it's critical that they start to get some of these younger players on the field and get them the requisite experience so that down the line those guys are quality producers for the team. I'm anxious for them to stop collecting these old guys at the end of the line and start filling the roster will young players who have an upside and a future.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

"Dallas also traded Anthony Fasano and Anthony Henry, though I'm not sure what picks they got."

3rd from Cleveland
4th from Detroit
5th from Tennessee
6th from Miami

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 6, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

What do you bet next year the skins sign him as a ufa with a big increase in pay?

Posted by: ds5371 | March 6, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Note To All Intelligent Work Avoiding Redskins Fans

"EAGLES GET A FIVE, GIVE A SEVEN IN LEWIS DEAL"

The iggles moved some dude named Greg Lewis and got picks.

You mean to tell me the skins, having depth at receiver and needing picks, couldn't move Randle El for at least a 4 or 5 pick?

You mean they couldn't move Rogers--now that Hall is in the fold--get picks, and replace him with Jenkins/A Smith or get lazy and sign Bly/Bodden for the vet minimum?

Let's stop assuming the position and get aggressive.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 6, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

"The iggles moved some dude named Greg Lewis and got picks."

Getting rid of Greg Lewis and a 7th rounder while gaining a 5th rounder is almost highway robbery. He was garbage, so it won't take much for that 5th rounder to have more of an impact on the team.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 6, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I would have liked to have seen Evans come back, but maybe the Skins think they can bring in Daniels and Wynn for what it would cost to bring back Evans.

Dont really get it either but its not the worst decision the FO has made. ((Signing Arch instead of Clark))

Posted by: DMoney28 | March 6, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Since when the Redskins have depth at WR? And again, why would you trade away a young, entering-his-prime starting corner for the 4th ranked defense last year?

Those would not be good moves, particularly because Randle El would be murder against the cap, and as bad as he is as a #2, the guys behind him have only proven to be downright putrid (with upside!).

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Now if we could trade James Thrash, Rock Cartwright, Todd Yoder, or Mike Green for draft picks, then I'm all ears.

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Wow, so the cowboys traded Anthony Henry and cut TO? That right there makes them a better team than they were last year. Looks like they might be building up picks to make a move to get back into the 1st round. At least Springs didn't go to Dallas. I thought for sure he would....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 6, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

SAme ole Same ole for the Dislexic Duo of Danny&Vinny. Never keep someone who works he way from the bottom to be a dependable player. DEvans was a good (not great) DE, and with the release of JTaylor, there's still a HUGE VOID at LDE. RWynn? PDaniels??? PUHLEAZE..... Both very injury prone, over rated, and TERRIBLE pass rushers

Posted by: wagenstill | March 6, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Anyone think the Skins will pick up Derrick's little bro Cedric in the 5th round? Buges could coach him up the same as he did Derrick.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 6, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that Rosenhaus is popping off about having "several teams" interested in T.O. Says he's in negotiations and should have a deal done by next week. I hope he's just being a blowhard...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that Rosenhaus is popping off about having "several teams" interested in T.O. Says he's in negotiations and should have a deal done by next week. I hope he's just being a blowhard...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 9:09 AM |

I wouldn't mind seeing hom go to the Giants; Eli seems to be getting better and better (IMO) and needs to regress for the betterment of the Skins...

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 6, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse


brownwood

'...blowhard...'

Wait til the Redskins Blog Owner hears you're giving orders.

And if any does, '...blowhard...,' I'm right in line after you.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 6, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Daniels was average when he was here. Why the infatuation?

Sheesh!

We're doomed.

Posted by: original_mark | March 6, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Wait til the Redskins Blog Owner hears you're giving orders.

And if any does, '...blowhard...,' I'm right in line after you.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 6, 2009 9:16 AM

Insert the Glen Quagmire "giggety, giggety'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

""blow me down with a feather"? Maybe "blow me down" or "knock me over with a feather", but not this! Geeseth. Mixed exclamations is a dastardly posting sin.Posted by: AntonChigurh"

Listen, if you live in a glass house, you damn well better stop rolling your moss downhill.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2009 7:46 AM

Evans (and Torrence, Clark, and Pierce) = crying over split milk over the dam under the bridge we burned when we come to it.

Posted by: dcsween | March 6, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

"Allllll Riiight..."

Posted by: RedDMV | March 6, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

This is what really happended.

The FO went and spoke to the line coach and Blache.

They ask them...hey how do u feel about evans?

Can he help our team next year?

Does he have enough skills?

What are the pros and cons on keeping him?

Then Blache and the line coach said

NO we don't need him....we can replace him with taylor who has better skills.

Were on the field with them everyday and know this stuff.

But Taylor is gone now!!!

Yes and they still don't want him....wow!

Why is that. Scroll up and then you'll get your answer.

Thats what happended.

Posted by: 1skinfan | March 6, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

"Daniels was average when he was here. Why the infatuation?"

O-Mark, I think it has to do with the same infatuation over the average Demetric Evans.

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Thats what happended.

Posted by: 1skinfan | March 6, 2009 9:28 AM

Now those sound like some FACTS.

Posted by: dcsween | March 6, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Mike Nugent was signed by Tampa I believe. So they have him and Matt Bryant on their roster.

Anthony Henry was traded straight up for Kitna. Don't think they got any extra picks for that move.

Since we just renegotiated Randel El's contract talking about trying to trade him now is kinda worthless. Plus unfortunately he is still currently the 2nd best WR we have on this roster.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 6, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"Redskins end Demetric Evans, a valuable and versatile contributor during his five seasons in Washington, and the team's best defensive end during the 2008 season..."

Jason, you gotta stop writing crap like this man.

Dude is VERY average and if you're making it sound like he's all-world or something.

ANYONE off the street can get 3.5 sacks if they play as much as Evans. I am willing to go out on a limb and say Evans gets cut from SF as well BEFORE the end of the year when they start losing.

Jason, please stop with these pathetic Skins bashing articles. You're better then this and you KNOW Evans was very ho-hum.

Demetric Evans = Leigh Torrence

Give it a rest, sheesh.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 6, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Sween - I suggested yesterday that you should seperate the burnt bridged class of former Redskins.

Pierce and Clark should be the only one's mentioned at the top since they were members of the last two SB teams.

Everyone else is just mustard............

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

FINALLY. An employer that gets it.......

JETS CHOOSE FURLOUGHS OVER LAYOFFS
Posted by Mike Florio on March 6, 2009, 9:02 a.m.
At a time when more and more NFL teams are laying off employees during the ongoing economic downturn, the New York Jets have chosen an approach aimed at saving jobs.

Starting in mid-June, 60 employees will be placed on two-week unpaid furloughs. Essentially, it’s a vacation. Without pay.

The timing coincides with the only relatively slow period on the league’s calendar, after the conclusion of offseason workouts and prior to the preparations for training camp.

“Like every business, we’re facing challenges,” executive V.P. for business operations Matthew Higgins told Richard Sandomir of the New York Times. “But relatively speaking, we’re not in a state of crisis. We’re managing for the future.”

Higgins is one of the employees who will take a furlough.

“We’ve assembled a great deal of talent, and we’re at the crossroads of building our new stadium, so we didn’t want to be shortsighted,” Higgins said. “To let people go and then rebuild the team didn’t make sense. It was important to keep as many jobs as possible.”

Amen to that. The last thing that businesses need to be doing during times like this is panic. And as we’ve suggested in the past, we’ve got some suspicions as to whether some of these wildly profitable NFL franchises have been using the current climate as cover for cutting costs not in the name of planning or survival, but in the name of generating even more raw profit.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

ESPN has IGOR OLshansky visiting the cowboys today, that pisses me off, we should working on him and not Daniels/Wynn - how old is R. Wynn anyways - 50

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 6, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Redskins.com has a poll up.

Asking about TO:

Sure...Bring him in = 52% (8289)
No way! = 40% (6326)

How can 8,289 people be so stupid?

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

How does a team that is committed to rebuilding even justify signing Wynn and Daniels over Evans? I think Demtric hit it right when he said the team doesn't have any interest in keeping those players who may not be sexy but bring it every play and get the job done. The management for this team doesn't know a thing about the heart of a football team. Those brown baggers make your team special. For every Darrell Green there's a Martin Mayhew in the shadows. For every Charles Mann there's a Dave Butz just getting the job done. A team is made up of players who want to win together, built through hard work and dedication. It is not a collection of overpaid individuals that you throw in a bag, shake up, and hope for a team to come out. When a guy like Demtric Evans goes, a little piece of the soul of this team goes away. It's why the Eagles should have kept Brian Dawkins, and it is why the Ravens re-signed Ray Lewis even though he is in the twilight of his career. I feel for Norm Zorn. He has to convince his players that they are a family that needs to play together to win, while all the while everyone realizes that this is a temporary thing that the owner had no real interest in keeping together. It is sad what this team has become, and good luck to Demetric. I think Mike Singletary will be a good coach and the 49'ers will have a lot of success under him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 6, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs would have told Demetric to his face and not have allowed him to learn about his pink slip via Albert Haynesworth showing off his new number 92 jersey on national television. That's what is f***d up about this whole situation.

Evans isn't being painted as anything but what he truly is; a modest, versatile, adept and hardworking individual. If he doesn't deserve a hint of consideration then who does?

O Yeah.... R. Wynn?!?!?!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

What's wrong with DJ Hackett if were looking for a WR?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 6, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"How does a team that is committed to rebuilding even justify signing Wynn and Daniels over Evans?"

(1) They aren't rebuilding. They just spent $181 million in contracts to guys fully in their prime, and the team only has 4 draft picks this season. In no way, shape, or form is that considered a formula for rebuilding.

(2) Signing Evans would not come close to constituting rebuilding. He's 29, and if the team "rebuilds", he'll be at least 31-32 by the time they actually become good again.

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

brownwood: "But last year's draft is a perfect example of this FO's flawed philosophy on building a team. You build from the line of scrimmage back, and they seem inclined to do it the other way around. The Skins went and drafted 2 safeties in the Top 10 in a 4 year span and then followed that up with a run of 3 pass catchers in Round 2 last year...that's not where you build a team."

It can be, depending on what you started with and how much money you can spend in free agency. You're citing the basic Parcells approach', and who could argue with his success? But Bob Beathard and Joe Gibbs usually favored using high draft choices (when Beathard hadn't traded them away) on so-called 'impact' players -- players who could win or lose the game with a few big plays.

Both approaches involve risk. Big tackles and D-linemen get hurt or just don't pan out. Same thing happens to your Desmond Howard and Rocket Ismail types.

I do think the Snyder/Cerrato approach has been too much like drafting a fantasy football team, but a lot of teams have done very well with skill players first.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

DJ Hackett peaked too early.

If Zorn didn't won't him. And he got cut after his 1st year in town @ Carolina and he never saw the field. I ask....

Why are we even mentioning DJ HAckett?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

++"A team is made up of players who want to win together, built through hard work and dedication. It is not a collection of overpaid individuals that you throw in a bag, shake up, and hope for a team to come out. When a guy like Demtric Evans goes, a little piece of the soul of this team goes away..... I feel for Norm Zorn. He has to convince his players that they are a family that needs to play together to win, while all the while everyone realizes that this is a temporary thing that the owner had no real interest in keeping together."
Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 6, 2009 10:00 AM +++

Amen. I hope so.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

'...how old is R. Wynn anyways...?'


I don't know how old Renaldo Wynn is, but there's a picutre of him in a school yearbook somewhere playing defensive end for Pop Warner.

I read in Pro Football Weakly that he and Abner Doubleday were best buds in the 9th grade.

Yes: Wynn is old and signing him would be a loss.

(Cue in rimshot audio highlighted by short cymbal blast.)

Which means signing him this offseason is another aggressive move on the FO's part to get the redskins younger.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 6, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

So, Peter King thinks there's a good chance that T. O. ends up on the Redskins roster:

What now for T.O.? My guess is the Raiders, though as my radio buddy and SI.com colleague Ross Tucker suggested Thursday morning on Sirius NFL Radio, the Redskins have to be an intriguing thought. Washington owner Dan Snyder is always looking to tweak the Jones family, and if he signed Owens for something near the veteran minimum with enough incentives in the contract to make it interesting, the Redskins would be just what T.O. wants. Surely Owens is feeling absolutely embarrassed at being cut, and money is not what's going to make him happy. Revenge is. And two shots at the Cowboys this year, particularly with a fortified Redskins team, would appeal to Owens more than a good signing bonus and a couple of years of relative anonymity in Oakland.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/03/05/owens/index.html

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 6, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I will never root for TO.

NEVER!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

psps23

'...Since when the Redskins have depth at WR?'


I hear you, bro', but for me, Thomas might be a player and won't be if he has to wait while Randle El continues satisfy our hunger like a wish-sandwich.

I have no faith in M Kelly--the guy should donate his knees to science or my grandmother.

But F Davis can catch like a wideout and has speed and complements Cooley well as he creates a mismatch underneath against a mlb.

Someone pointed out that moving Randle El and his re-worked affordable contract would hurt: how? I'd take the cap hit if it rendered me a 4th round pick and room for a hungry FA wideout who desperately wants to make NFL money.

Randle El was a 'sexy' after the supa bowl pick up that--like trading for J Taylor--should have been avoided.

Use him now to get some draft/trade value before another lame season renders him useless to the team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 6, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

'...how old is R. Wynn anyways...?'

I have an autographed photo of him sacking Y.A. Tittle.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 6, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"How does a team that is committed to rebuilding even justify signing Wynn and Daniels over Evans? I think Demtric hit it right when he said the team doesn't have any interest in keeping those players who may not be sexy but bring it every play and get the job done. The management for this team doesn't know a thing about the heart of a football team. Those brown baggers make your team special. For every Darrell Green there's a Martin Mayhew in the shadows. For every Charles Mann there's a Dave Butz just getting the job done. A team is made up of players who want to win together, built through hard work and dedication. It is not a collection of overpaid individuals that you throw in a bag, shake up, and hope for a team to come out. When a guy like Demtric Evans goes, a little piece of the soul of this team goes away. It's why the Eagles should have kept Brian Dawkins, and it is why the Ravens re-signed Ray Lewis even though he is in the twilight of his career. I feel for Norm Zorn. He has to convince his players that they are a family that needs to play together to win, while all the while everyone realizes that this is a temporary thing that the owner had no real interest in keeping together. It is sad what this team has become, and good luck to Demetric. I think Mike Singletary will be a good coach and the 49'ers will have a lot of success under him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead |"


Dude, shutup.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 6, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Heh, you said "Tittle".....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 6, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

'...how old is R. Wynn anyways...?'

George Allen brought him in to mentor Deacon Jones.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 6, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"Someone pointed out that moving Randle El and his re-worked affordable contract would hurt: how? I'd take the cap hit if it rendered me a 4th round pick and room for a hungry FA wideout who desperately wants to make NFL money.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

Randle El's release fee is $13.5 million. The Redskins couldn't move him if they wanted to.

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Never ceases to amaze me how much some of you cry over players who aren't on the roster anymore.

What does it mean as far as talent on the roster or level of optimism when we're shedding tears for Demetric Evans?

Leigh Torrence?
Jason Taylor?

I remember reading about how this one guy was actually excited that an underachieving Arizona Cardinal linemen was on the market - that he would've been thrilled if the 'skins would've made a play for him.

It was at that point I relaized how much this fanbase has fallen. I find it sad that we've lowered our expectations that much it's considered a tragedy when average and expendable players are canonized.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 6, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Finally an outstanding post from Jasno. Thanx for finally telling us whats really going on and what the guys really think. I true 'insider' post.

Posted by: ThatGuy2 | March 6, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Randle El's release fee is $13.5 million. The Redskins couldn't move him if they wanted to.

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 10:29 AM |

Sure you could. Move him down the depth chart!

Moss
D Thomas
ARE
Thrash
Kelly

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

'...how old is R. Wynn anyways...?'

He won one for the Gipper.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 6, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

When a guy like Demtric Evans goes, a little piece of the soul of this team goes away. It's why the Eagles should have kept Brian Dawkins, and it is why the Ravens re-signed Ray Lewis even though he is in the twilight of his career.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

You say two things with this post:

1) I'm a drama queen eats whatever JLC puts on my plate.

2) I'm of the mind that 3rd stringers are the ones that win championships, not the frontline guys.

And I won't even get on you for the ridiculous comparison of Demetric f-ing Evans to Ray Lewis and Brian Dawkins. I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Demetric Evans 2009 = Leigh Torrence 2008

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I see T.O. coming to DC if and ONLY IF it were for the Vet's minimum and he promises not to talk to the media the WHOLE YEAR. NOT AT ALL. NOT ONCE. Especially The Post.

You can't put incentives in his contract because it would count against the cap either way because we are in the last CAPped year.........

Just sit quitely, do your job and let's win the SuperBowl. Then you can go somewhere else next year once your image has been rehabbed and we all have Championship rings (including me)......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"Sure you could. Move him down the depth chart!

Moss
D Thomas
ARE
Thrash
Kelly

Posted by: matthewvickers

That's certainly an option. But I think it's more likely you have Thomas and Kelly switched. And Thrash should be dropped 5 or so rungs lower, behind any TE or RB coming out of the backfield

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm obviously against any TO signing


but if we had to sign him and I had control over it


I would give him one year and then be done with him. He was fine in Dallas for a year, he was fine in Philly for more than a year. After two or three years, you're just in trouble.

Sign him for like a 2 or 3 year deal vet min, then cut his punk *** after this year is over.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 6, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Red,

Last year, D Evans was far above average.... compared to L Torrence, J Taylor and that one Oline guy from Arizona that you are referring to, combined.

But keep in mind that only a couple of weeks ago, Chris Canty was being praised as viable pickup for our DLine. But not for 6-9$/year. Evans, practically, had the same numbers as Canty, last year. But Evans will never see that kind of money.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead: "He has to convince his players that they are a family that needs to play together to win, while all the while everyone realizes that this is a temporary thing that the owner had no real interest in keeping together."

That was always Joe Gibbs' challenge: he had to convince the players they were one big family. I'm no expert on the dynamics of real families, but I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to cut you.

Gibbs pulled it off. Very few can.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Evans is so good, only one team in the NFL wanted him!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 6, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Elton Brown doesn't sound like what we need. What happened with the Ray Willis visit? Are they not even going to consider Khalif Barnes? Have any DE's visited (Is Olshansky just message board banter)? It would be nice to sign two more players so we only had to address one position(SLB, DE or G/T)in the draft. Then we could focus on depth

Posted by: brian58 | March 6, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

On TO to the Skins: I'm pretty sure Dallas cut him mostly because they think he's slowed down and isn't the receiver he used to be. Problem is, he's very much what the Skins need -- a guy who gets open and catches the ball in a crowd. He ain't the TO of SF or Philly, but he's still a formidable force on the field.

It's a gamble, but they may take it.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

++"I'm obviously against any TO signing
but if we had to sign him and I had control over it++

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 6, 2009 10:42 AM |

Truth,

Nobody has control when TO is on your team. You think you can mitigate all of his BS but in the end, the team is torn asunder by all of the drama he brings.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

For those of you concerned about Renaldo Wynn's age...he is 34....actually 2 day YOUNGER than Jason Taylor.....just different body types.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 6, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

matthew, you're overrating him again. None of the DE's were above average. They were all essentially equivalent. And Guess what? Jason Taylor was cut and Andre Carter was restructured to be cut in 2 years.

Bringing back Evans for depth purposes would have been nice. That's as far as it goes. He was average. No other way to put it. Phillip Daniels provided the same production prior to Evans, when Daniels went down, Evans stepped in very well, and now that Evans is gone, someone else will be brought in to fill the void. These guys are replaceable. It happens all the time, with every team.

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Nobody has control when TO is on your team. You think you can mitigate all of his BS but in the end, the team is torn asunder by all of the drama he brings.

Posted by: matthewvickers "

Agreed, but my point is that TO could last for one year around here. I think he'd stay out of trouble. And say you give him vet min for the first year and let it get into his brain that we're gonna boost his pay in the 2nd/3rd year(s), then we BOOM CUT HIS BUTT after one year where he is on good behavior. Take a slight cap hit and laugh at him.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 6, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Referring to TO...
"a guy who gets open and catches the ball in a crowd"
Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2009 10:46 AM++

How many balls did TO drop last year?

If Jerry Jones thinks that he's lost a step, then he's probably lost a step and is not the answer for us.

TO not only would disrupt our team chemistry, he would set our young WRs back. I don't want my young WRs looking at TO as an exemplary model of what a WR is.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I would rather play Archuleta at WR than T.O.---and I don't mean Adam, I'd rather play David Archuleta at WR than Terrell "The Walking Cancer" Owens...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know the stats on how many dropped balls TO had last year? I know the spotlight is on his "failures" more than others, but he sure does drop a ton that hit him in the hands lately. I think they cut him because
dropped balls + decline in production/stats + locker room cancer vastly outweigh his hefty salary......

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 6, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Fred Davis has speed?? Did you see him run that reverse last year? I thought I was watching it in slo-mo.

DJ hackett peaked too early? Hes 26. Hes the highest rated FA WR still out there, I believe. He can't be worse than Kelly, Thomas, and Thrash.

Funny that Peter Queen has us going after TO. Nothing like letting biased journalism get in the way of facts and doing your job.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 6, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

psp,

I'm not harping that we didn't resign him or that I believe he is an above average DE. I am upset with the way he was 'handled,' ie not handled.

Samson said ealier, "That was always Joe Gibbs' challenge: he had to convince the players they were one big family."
Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2009 10:43 AM

Gibbs would not have allowed it to gone down the way it did. Not saying Gibbs would have resigned him, just saying that Demetric deserved better.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Just a few clicks behind you MV.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 6, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

TO led the league in drops two years ago I believe. Or maybe three years ago?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 6, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

++I would rather play Archuleta at WR than T.O.---and I don't mean Adam, I'd rather play David Archuleta at WR than Terrell "The Walking Cancer" Owens...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 10:52 AM |++

Haha. You and me both!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I think TO caught 52% of his passes last year. I think I saw that number somewhere but can not remember the source. He had 69 receptions. Do the math.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

matthewvickers: "How many balls did TO drop last year?"

Good question. So tell us, how many did he drop?

"If Jerry Jones thinks that he's lost a step, then he's probably lost a step and is not the answer for us."

Granted, it would be better if Thomas or Kelly filled that role. But personally, I don't trust Jerry Jones' judgment any more than I trust Dan Snyder's.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS...

REDSKINS SIGN T.O.!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 6, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

If TO has developed the dropsies, that's strange so late in the career, isn't it? I could see him slowing down, but losing his hands... that would be unusual.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

TO has led the league in dropped passes the past 2 years.

That being said, I say sign TO.

Truth is with me. Who else is ready to help me push this bandwagon out the garage? I know it won't be many of us, so we gonna need all the help we can get to get this thing on the road.....

Whose with me? TO for the vet's min for ONLY a year?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Whose with me? TO for the vet's min for ONLY a year?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse


Hey, if it helps push Vinnie out the door than I'm on board.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 6, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

sorry 4th but I'm not with you


I stated that I would be against any TO signing, but IF we did, one year then cut his butt would work for me.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 6, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Sports Guru, your posts are as funny as they are welcome.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 6, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

psps23

'...Randle El's release fee is $13.5 million..'

Wow!!!!!

Major retraction in order.

Ahem: "Antawn Randle El is a very valuable member of the Washington Redskins receiving corp. His having a Super Bowl ring and experience is an added plus. His drops, inability to get open, and pointing to the sky after his rare touchdowns are treasured by fans."

"Too, he's a quality punt returner who understands that he is so valuable, that he fair catches most punts in order to perserve his body from the hits that come with returning the ball against 20 yards of open space."

There. We we're aware Randle El was so valuable that he'd cost $13 mil to get rid of.

Now that we know, we'll continue eating our expensive wish sandwich and hope the guy who stole our meat gets caugth.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 6, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS:

"SPORTS_GURU" IS AN A$$HAT!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Alwyas been a fan of T.O.'s game every since San Fran.

Always been impressed with his talent and ability.

His attitude? Not so much. An emphatic "NO to T.O."

For those wishing for Campbell to succeed, T.O. will be the source of his demise in D.C.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 6, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm not into butt cutting, even if it is only for one year.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 6, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Owens Numbers

2006: 153 targets, 85 catches, 56%
2007: 141 targets, 81 catches, 57%
2008: 113 targets, 55 catches, 49%*

Note* the season was not over when this was yahoo question was published. Owens finished with 69 receptions in 2009. Assuming he catches half of what is thrown his way, it's safe to say he ended the 09 season with at least 140 targets.

If the WR corp is crap and WE MUST sign a WR then I'd sign DJ Hackett without second thought. Or Mike Furrey...

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I think that 52% number for TO's caught passes has to be passes intended for him, not actually hitting him in the hands and dropped. Braylon Edwards has led the league in drops the last 2 years but TO is not far behind. I can't get on board with signing him ever. He is a complete piece of garbage.

Somebody block the ip address for s_guru. F'in idiot.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 6, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Moe, if either Kelly or Thomas step up and snatch that #2 WR role, I think ARE will be fine as the #3, slot guy. And if both can step up, that position suddenly is deep.

As is been written here before, the key to this team's success this season will be the draft class from last season (along with Campbell and Zorn).

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS:

"SPORTS_GURU" IS AN A$$HAT!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 11:22 AM

That is NOT breaking news, that is what is known as old news.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 6, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

sorry 4th but I'm not with you


I stated that I would be against any TO signing, but IF we did, one year then cut his butt would work for me.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 6, 2009 11:13 AM

But you already did. You said the exact same thing I posted.Go back up and look.

Sorry, too late, you have been drafted.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Moe, if either Kelly or Thomas step up and snatch that #2 WR role, I think ARE will be fine as the #3, slot guy. And if both can step up, that position suddenly is deep.

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 11:28 AM

I personally am hoping Kelly doesn't step up. If he steps up he will injure his knee and be out eight weeks.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 6, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Um, when did Owens lose a step?

He hasn't developed the "dropsies", he's had them his whole career.

That '98 playoff game between the Packers and niners T.O. dropped several passes.

We all know how that one ended (If not, see 11:23 post).

I think you can't always rely on him to catch passes, doesn't mean that he's lost a step.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 6, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, but my point is that TO could last for one year around here. I think he'd stay out of trouble. And say you give him vet min for the first year and let it get into his brain that we're gonna boost his pay in the 2nd/3rd year(s), then we BOOM CUT HIS BUTT after one year where he is on good behavior. Take a slight cap hit and laugh at him.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 6, 2009 10:51 AM

Or we could just laugh at him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 6, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

If the WR corp is crap and WE MUST sign a WR then I'd sign DJ Hackett without second thought. Or Mike Furrey...

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 11:27 AM

If Hackett is available for the 2nd year in a row, then he's not worth signing. Furry is a converted safety who has only shown the ability to play in Mike Martz's system...I'll pass on both counts.

The Redskins have made their bed at WR and now must lie in it. Kelly and Thomas MUST play this season, sink or swim.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I think you can't always rely on him to catch passes, doesn't mean that he's lost a step.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 6, 2009 11:32 AM

Picky, picky. Maybe he didn't lose a step. Maybe he lost a few fingers?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 6, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

If the 'Skins sign T.O., it'll make me want to go p-o-o-p.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | March 6, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

That is NOT breaking news, that is what is known as old news.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 6, 2009 11:30 AM

True...which means it would just now make the crawl at the bottom of the screen on ESPN...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Been out of pocket for a while. Is the team keeping Griffin on D-Line?

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | March 6, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

'... if either Kelly or Thomas step up and snatch that #2 WR role, I think ARE will be fine as the #3, slot guy. And if both can step up, that position suddenly is deep...'


That's what I meant about the skins having depth, only that I'd keep one of the midget 'speed' guys (Aldrige) as a gadget/back up fourth receiver-punt returner to get a 'bug' to catch screens, run reverses, and whatnot.

In my world, Thrash and Randle El have no role as they lack true speed and 'field-flipping' ability. A younger guy who can get open is better than a vet who knows the playbook and can't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 6, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"I personally am hoping Kelly doesn't step up. If he steps up he will injure his knee and be out eight weeks."

Hilarious. Here's hoping Kelly stays healthy...if he does he'll show he can be a possible #1 WR. Thomas is the one that scares me.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 6, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I know we shouldn't sign T. O. now that Peter King has come out and said it makes sense to him. He's the one who, last year, talked about how Vinnie picked Tuna's pocket when he stole Thomas for only two picks. "Redskins got the better end of that deal" is what he was saying. Hell, I believed him because, well, he's King.

George Michael said trading with Parcells is like buying a horse from the Amish. "They know horses so much better than anyone else that if they're willing to sell a horse that horse has nothing. I bought an Amish horse once and I'll never go there again."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 6, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

"I think that 52% number for TO's caught passes has to be passes intended for him, not actually hitting him in the hands and dropped."

I was waiting for someone to mention this possibility. If you don't like T.O. for your own personal reasons, then fine. But c'mon, you can't say that the guy isn't one of the best WR (Maybe top 5) to ever play.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 6, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Peter King is the most overrated sports writer in history. The man is a f-ing moron and has a platform because he's been doing his job a long time. Anyone who stood between Art Monk and the HoF is an unquestionable d0uche in my book...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

That is NOT breaking news, that is what is known as old news.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 6, 2009 11:30 AM

True...which means it would just now make the crawl at the bottom of the screen on ESPN...

Posted by: brownwood26

And then we'll see it two hours later on a RI post.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 6, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have made their bed at WR and now must lie in it. Kelly and Thomas MUST play this season, sink or swim.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 11:35 AM +++

I agree with you. And that's why I say no TO! I'd hate to sleep with that guy.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

'The Redskins have made their bed at WR and now must lie in it. Kelly and Thomas MUST play this season, sink or swim.'


Point taken.

Again: J Campbell's improvement is the most important issue facing the team, and his having servicable guys to throw to--and NFL quality linemen in front of him-- is important.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 6, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

4thFloor, OK ... maybe Evan is not in the Clark/Pierce category ... but I don't think he's in the Torrence box category ... I say Walt Harris category.

Posted by: dcsween | March 6, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Peter King is the most overrated sports writer in history. The man is a f-ing moron and has a platform because he's been doing his job a long time. Anyone who stood between Art Monk and the HoF is an unquestionable d0uche in my book...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 11:45 AM |

Agree to disagree. He has a platform because he has incredible contacts and can get interviews/information that no one else can. He's also a gifted writer.

Art Monk's in the HOF. Time to move on.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 6, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have made their bed at WR and now must lie in it. Kelly and Thomas MUST play this season, sink or swim.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 11:35 AM +++

I agree with you. And that's why I say no TO! I'd hate to sleep with that guy.


Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 11:47 AM


If the WR corp is crap and WE MUST sign a WR then I'd sign DJ Hackett without second thought. Or Mike Furrey...

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 11:27 AM


Contradicting post?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"But c'mon, you can't say that the guy isn't one of the best WR (Maybe top 5) to ever play.

Posted by: RedDMV"

One of the top 5 most talented? Sure. But not even close to "best". He would barely crack my top 5 of his own generation. All these guys would be ahead of TO if you were starting a franchise from scratch and had your choice of a WR from the beginning of his career:

-Marvin Harrison
-Torry Holt
-Hines Ward
-Randy Moss

And that doesn't include other young guys currently out to prove themselves like Larry Fitzgerald or Calvin Johnson, nor does it include the guys that overlapped TO late in their careers like Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, or Tim Brown.

TO's a stat machine and a talent. But it takes far more to be an all-time great.

Posted by: psps23 | March 6, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

True...which means it would just now make the crawl at the bottom of the screen on ESPN...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 11:37 AM

And would still have not made it to a JLaC post.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 6, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

redmv: "If you don't like T.O. for your own personal reasons, then fine. But c'mon, you can't say that the guy isn't one of the best WR (Maybe top 5) to ever play."

I don't know about top 5, but you could make a strong case for top 25.And that's way good enough for Washington.

There's always a hot receiver any more, ever since the ascendance of the passing game. TO becomes Randy Moss becomes Larry Fitzgerald. A few years ago, in the Super Bowl, TO looked unstoppable.

Guess I should point out that Owens, Moss, and Fitzgerald all lost in the Super Bowl, too.

Question is, how much has he lost? Drops are one measure, but there could be a hidden factor there -- like a gutsy shortstop, he may be getting to more balls than most people. I'm pretty certain Jones didn't cut him because of the locker room stuff. Decreased performance and a big salary -- now those count.

Let me put it this way -- the Skins need a big, strong receiver who can jump up and catch the ball in a crowd. Whether that guy's name is Owens, or Davis or Kelly, makes little difference in the short run. Jason Campbell has demonstrated that he needs a certain kind of help, and a good GM tries to get it for him.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

4thFloor, OK ... maybe Evan is not in the Clark/Pierce category ... but I don't think he's in the Torrence box category ... I say Walt Harris category.

Posted by: dcsween | March 6, 2009 11:52 AM |

Thanks. I was trying to think of who I could put in the middle tier but couldn't come up with any one.

That middle tier would is as follows:

Champ (going to the HOF w/o ever winning a SB), Evans, Walt Harris.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

+++Peter King is the most overrated sports writer in history. The man is a f-ing moron and has a platform because he's been doing his job a long time.

Anyone who stood between Art Monk and the HoF is an unquestionable d0uche in my book...

Posted by: brownwood26 +++|

Agree with your last sentence. I'll take it one step further. It diminishes the H of F by the simple fact that sportswriters are doing the voting.

As for the rest of your assessment--drop off a resume. As is the case with all Shadenfreude-afflicted Sportswriter Haters here, I'm SURE they'll recognize your superior skills and hand you the gig.

As I understand it, the hardest part of the job is the slings and arrows of unpaid crix who think they could do it better--the guys who cant' stand it when someone lashes out at them.

Posted by: TheCork | March 6, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

T.O. has the 2nd most TD receptions behind only Rice who played until he was 41.

T.O. is a HOFer without a doubt, He is just a loud one.

Yesterday I was against this happening, but now I can see this happenning.

And I owuld like it only if he signs the vet min. He pocketed between $15-$20 Mil last year alone. He dosen't need the money. He needs that Championship ring. And so do the Skins.

I think he could have a good influence on JC17 as well. Just a hunch, though. They both are from the Dirty.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"They both are from the Dirty....."

haha, you make it sound like Southern players are rare in the NFL

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 6, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

WR's are deep enough, these young guys need to sink or swim. Point taken with Campbell needing a bailout receiver though.

As to ARE, I think he is a fine 3, Skins just need to use him in more gadgetry. Let him throw the ball every once in while like the Steelers did.

Posted by: redskinian | March 6, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Agree to disagree. He has a platform because he has incredible contacts and can get interviews/information that no one else can. He's also a gifted writer.

Art Monk's in the HOF. Time to move on.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 6, 2009 11:52 AM

I just disagree with the sentiment that King is somehow this great knowledgable source when it comes to football. NO sports writer who never played a down of organized football should be breaking down the game of football to the point where he decides who is elected the HoF. But that's a separate issue...

I just think King think he's a helluva lot more important than he really is.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

+++This is what really happended.

The FO went and spoke to the line coach and Blache.

They ask them...hey how do u feel about evans?+++

Good one, Like those bozos ever listen to the input of football minds. Most likely, they went to the Boys in Marketing and determined Evans' Jerseys never sold, and he was out the door...

Posted by: TheCork | March 6, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"They both are from the Dirty....."

haha, you make it sound like Southern players are rare in the NFL

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 6, 2009 12:06 PM

Dude, it is rare to have a Black QB from the Dirty. Don't underestimate that.

T.O. may understand where JC is coming from and he may get him to open some. JC did spend his whole life in Alabama. And T.O. grew up in Mississippi.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have made their bed at WR and now must lie in it. Kelly and Thomas MUST play this season, sink or swim.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 6, 2009 11:35 AM +++

I agree with you. And that's why I say no TO! I'd hate to sleep with that guy.


Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 11:47 AM


If the WR corp is crap and WE MUST sign a WR then I'd sign DJ Hackett without second thought. Or Mike Furrey...

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 11:27 AM


Contradicting post?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 6, 2009 11:54 AM

Only trying to say that there are other options available at WR, if obtaining a WR is something that is a top priority, while also saying that TO should NOT be one of the options.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

beep?

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 6, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"T.O. may understand where JC is coming from and he may get him to open some. JC did spend his whole life in Alabama. And T.O. grew up in Mississippi......."

You're stretching my friend...I don't care if T.O. grew up eating the same foods, talking the same way and all that. He hates QBs. Period.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 6, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"That middle tier would is as follows:

Champ (going to the HOF w/o ever winning a SB), Evans, Walt Harris.

Posted by: 4thFloor "

So middle tier includes the best corner to play the game over the last 10 years and perhaps the best all-around corner of all-time?

uhhhNO

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 6, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Hackett and Furrey are good receivers who I suspect wouldn't make a lot of difference to the Skins. Hackett has the advantage of knowing Zorn's offense, not that Skins run it all that much.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

That said, I don't blame him. The FO had all sort of time to make some sort of passable offer to him and they didn't.

Posted by: toonsterwu | March 5, 2009 5:20 PM

Has it occurred to you and for Evans for that matter and JLC that maybe the team didn't want Evan back? Maybe his production is not worth bringing him back...Seems to me if you can't keep a guy at 8 mill for the same production why have the same production for a smaller amount? Does that seem smart and improving your D line? So you get the same results for smaller money...Seems catch 22 to me...Damn if ya do damn if ya don't....Seems like it would not be very hard at hall to get better production gong a new younger direction.......

WHY ARE YOU SO BITTER JLC? Be a beat writer for once ....
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Leevi, answer this - what are the Redskins supposed to do at DE? I don't think Demetric is a great player, but at that cost, he gives you a better version of Phillip Daniels or Renaldo Wynn.

The only other option is, as noted, to add an OL guy in FA, allowing them to go DE in the first round of the draft. Even then, the best LDE options in the first round would be a guy like Tyson Jackson or Robert Ayers, the former a guy that isn't much of a pass rusher, the latter a guy that didn't do much until his final year in college.

Is Demetric Evans a great player? Of course not. Is he a good player? Debatable, but probably not. Could he have been a solid LDE option for the Redskins that came at a cheap and affordable cost? Yes.

Posted by: toonsterwu | March 6, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

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