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Frost Unhappy With Decision, But Moving On (First Stop - Seattle)

Just got off the phone with released punter Derrick Frost. He praised special teams coach Danny Smith and implied that the decision to let him go in favor of rookie draft pick Durant Brooks was made by the front office.

"I feel like I was dealt with dishonestly," Frost said. "I want to thank Danny Smith for the three years he gave me here, and I feel like he always treated me well, and I will continue to think that. But I think we all know who made the decision, and when you've got a draft that isn't starting to look so good, you're going to do whatever you can to make it look as good as possible."

This is Vinny Cerrato's first draft and offseason with his new title, executive vice president, and the team kept all 10 of his picks. The Redskins, informed of Frost's statement, declined to comment.

Frost said he is at peace with his performance this summer: "In hindsight you often say, 'What if I could have done this or that?' But I really feel like no matter what I would have done it would have come out this way." Within a few hours of being released Frost had calls from other teams and will be in Seattle Tuesday for a tryout.


Frost said he loves living in this area, and will make it his home here even if he finds another NFL club. He also said he hopes to keep ties to many people in the organization.

He was not given any reasoning for the decision, Frost said, but is looking forward to the future and wants to continue displaying the form he showed in training camp and the preseason games.

"I was given no explanation by anyone," Frost said. "They kept trying to tell me that it was close, that it was close and that it was an open competition, but I don't feel that was really the case."

I'd be the first to say that Frost had a shaky tenure here and the team needed to upgrade at punter, whether through a new-and-improved Frost, or someone else. But this was also by far the most consistent I had ever seen him perform in practices and games, and his leg looked bigger than ever. To me, he outproduced the kid.

By Jason La Canfora  |  August 30, 2008; 5:02 PM ET
 
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Comments

Snip Snap catfight wit the Punter.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Frosty said "and when you've got a draft that isn't starting to look so good, you're going to do whatever you can to make it look as good as possible."

Look punk, you know I read this blog. I pity the fool that says my cute little Vinny-vin did not have a good draft.

Vinny, I love you my little meatball.

Posted by: Vinny's Mom | August 30, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

from previous thread:

so much doom and gloom on here, I'm surprised that they didn't keep another wr, but I think this team is loaded at the skill positions other than wr depth, and if we can protect this team will be fine. That's what this season comes down to, can we give JC time, if the answer is yes, then how does a defense account for moss, ARE, portis, cooley, davis, thrash, sellers and betts. This team is loaded if we can give JC time.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 30, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, I know 31 other teams that think that way about their QB and other skill guys.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Keeping a rookie punter over a terrible one doesn't save a draft class. If Kelly and Thomas never become contributing players and Brooks is a Pro Bowler its not like we'll look back at this draft class and say well, everyone else sucked but Brooks was the man.......that might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard a cut player say, Frost was cut because he sucks and he tends to suck the most at the worst times.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 30, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Yea, like a whiny a$$ punter knows sh!t about sh!t. Just go kick a ball and keep your blithering mouth shut. If you hadn't sucked a$$ for the last 3 years you wouldn't be in this position. I mean, all you had to do is hold and kick a ball.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Most of these decisions are all about appeasing Vinny's ego-- particularly keeping Tryon over Richardson.

In some ways, there would be a silver lining if the team fell flat on its face over the next two seasons, because it might spell the end for Vinny once and for all.

On the specific issue of Frost vs. Brooks, I think we've kind of seen what Frost can do over the past 3 years, and maybe Brooks' upside looking ahead makes it worth investing in him now.

This draft should have dedicated to procuring real NFL linemen, and we're going to pay a big price for focusing elsewhere.

Posted by: Joe the Fan | August 30, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Vinny's mom has got it goin on
Vinny's mom has got it goin on
Vinny's mom has got it goin on
Vinny's mom has got it goin on

Vinny can I come over after the game?
We can hang around by the pool
Did your mom get back from her business trip?
Is she there or is she tryin to give me the slip?
You know I'm not the little boy that I used to be
I'm all grown-up now baby can't you see

Vinny's mom has got it goin on
She's all I want, and I've waited for so long
Vinny can't you see, you're just not the GM for me.
I know it might be wrong but I'm in love with Vinny's mom.
Vinny's mom has got it goin on
Vinny's mom has got it goin on

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Frost kicks well every preseason. Then by week 2 he turns in to Chokey McShank. I'm scratching my head over Tryon. At best, he should have been on the practice squad.

Posted by: etrod | August 30, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm having a hard time trying to swallow the logic of these cuts. Billy McMullen and Marcus Mason were, to me, the standouts of the pre-season. No doubt they'll have there chance to get their revenge.

I'm ok with the reasoning of letting Frost go-no doubt he'll get picked up-and the kid did well.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm mentally preparing myself to pack this season in early. The heartbreak of yet another lost season is too much to bear.

Posted by: mfpierce49 | August 30, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I look at the list again and in the end I am glad we kept some more depth at LB, who knows, its a high injury position.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

At best, he should have been on the practice squad.

Posted by: etrod | August 30, 2008 6:20 PM

WHO THE HELL EVER HEARD OF A K/P ON THE PRACTICE SQUAD!?!?!

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Derrick, be sure to tell Seattle you were ranked #32 out of 38 punters in yards per punt average last year.

And, you suck.

Posted by: Vinny's Mom | August 30, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

McMullen and Tryon were the only real surprises to me. Mason will hit the practice squad with soooo many running backs out there. Besides, even if someone else signs him to a practice squad, can't we just sign him off of it if we need it? I thought Richardson played much better than Tryon although slow as dirt.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

He was talking about Tryon, not Brooks/Frost.

And I agree. Tryon should not have made this roster. He did nothing but run his yap about how great he was gonna be.....with horrible results. He couldn't even cover the 3rd string receivers on the other teams, and we're going to keep him on a regular season roster??

Posted by: Rob M | August 30, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Frost should have looked into playing backup LB the day we drafted Brooks. He was a LB in college and seemed to go after guys when on the field.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

At best, he should have been on the practice squad.

Posted by: etrod | August 30, 2008 6:20 PM

WHO THE HELL EVER HEARD OF A K/P ON THE PRACTICE SQUAD!?!?!

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 6:23 PM

He was talking about Tryon.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins did exactly what JLC said previously they needed to do, upgrade the punter, and he found a way to turn it into an unjust political move by a diabolical front office. Shocker.

If Thomas or Kelly turn into a solid player this is looking like a great draft for the skins. Fred Davis, Chad Rinehart, Durant Brooks and Kareem Moore are going to be contributors for sure.

Posted by: Ron | August 30, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

McMullen and Richardson should be on this team. But can everyone please stop with the marcus mason stuff, a 4th rb is a luxury that if it happens that guy better be the man on teams, and mason wasn't. Plus anybody who watched the Jax game, Chauncey Washington was twice the back Mason was in that game and he won't make Jax's roster. Mason had a few good games and was a good story being a local kid and all, but didn't deserve a spot on this team at the expense of depth at positions we need it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 30, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

He was talking about Tryon, not Brooks/Frost.

And I agree. Tryon should not have made this roster. He did nothing but run his yap about how great he was gonna be.....with horrible results. He couldn't even cover the 3rd string receivers on the other teams, and we're going to keep him on a regular season roster??

Posted by: Rob M | August 30, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Sorry he was a lb in hs.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

At best, he should have been on the practice squad.

Posted by: etrod | August 30, 2008 6:20 PM

Who the hell ever heard about having a K/P on the practice squad?

Posted by: Mr. Redundant | August 30, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Great investigative reporting.... "I know, I'll get the punter on the phone to badmouth the team!" You really outclassed the rest of the media on this one dude.

Posted by: mcsixth | August 30, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I like Sean Penn

Posted by: Mr. Fire Retardant | August 30, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Everybody calm down....People are complaining cause Mason was cut...I actually agree with the move because the guy can run against 3rd stringers...Great...but he can't pass block and pick up the blitz worth a crap, awful on special teams and can't catch a pass to save his life...but yet many on here think he is Barry Sanders.


ALSO...people are whining over other cuts...For every play we see in preseason...The coaches have seen the players run plays and play for months on end and thousands of plays...so if a player likr Tyron..plays bad in a few preseason outing but seems to be pretty good most of the time since being drafted...they will keep him in hopes that the YOUNG ROOKIE...will develope and get better with a bit of coaching...But ya know we all know best cause we saw 5 plays in a game.

Posted by: Leevi | August 30, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

LBPalmer made the Bungles....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh if u mean Tryon on the PS. Well sure that would have made sense. Do you have to pay a draft pick their normal contract if they make the PS, they have a contract don't they?

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

chris simms cut....next stop Bears???

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

LBPalmer made the Bungles....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 6:30 PM

Now he and his older brother can hold each other as they cry themselves to sleep at night.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Frost was an issue here for his entire stay. With a little pressure this week he did really well then shanked one--after years here as a FULL TIME professional he still has serious inconsistency. And when we really, really needed him to perform in a tough situation in Seattle he didn't. We can do a lot worse than get started with the best college punter from 2007. So what if he shanks a few when Frost would do the same anyway and seemed not to be able to correct it - we were more than patient. Maybe Durant doesn't act like a rooke after the first half and then we are better off for years.

Posted by: Cookie | August 30, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm OK with Mason being cut. It's good for him because he may be able to catch on somewhere else and actually see the field. Even if he doesn't, he will be on the skins short list to call if one of their guys goes down.

I can also see McMullen back (or elevated from the PS) if Kelly can't go for an extended period of time.

Matteral will be put on the PS if he makes it past waivers. He had a nice pre season but is not ready to play with the big boys just yet.

Posted by: etrod | August 30, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Frost's hang time was always a problem. Ever notice how many TD-saving tackles he made?

Posted by: alanb123 | August 30, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey Frosty, YOU SUCK! That's why you only got the 1 year deal in the 1st place. That shank on Thursday sealed your fate kid. Have fun out in Seattle!

Posted by: the So-Long Kid | August 30, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I told myself I wouldn't post on here anymore, but kind of funny a piece of s--- punter calls a piece of s--- writer to whine and complain about ceratto. I bet napolen was doing cart wheels when he started talking.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I told myself I wouldn't post on here anymore, but kind of funny a piece of s--- punter calls a piece of s--- writer to whine and complain about ceratto. I bet napolen was doing cart wheels when he started talking.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Alex, if a player is on the PS, it means they were cut and would have to sign a new contract to join the practice squad.

Posted by: etrod | August 30, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Performance in the preseason favored Frost; fine. But what about the rookie's upside?

Frost hit his glass ceiling a year ago with 20-yard rolls on 15-yard punts. He was always a liability, no matter the recent preseason performance in which he suddenly morphed into an adequate NFL punter. Three things: 1) he was given a chance to be a starter here for 3 years and he didn't perform up to muster, so his sour grapes - though understandable by a scorned player in the heat of the moment - is misplaced, 2) Why did it take him until now to elevate his game?
and 3) Judging by his history was it worth the risk to keep Frost over a guy who has a chance to supercede his performance over time?

When the organization has the chance to upgrade the roster it cannot be blamed for doing so, as long as it is not replacing quality performance merely with potential. That would entail too much risk. This, however, wasn't such a case. Frost did not perform well except in brief spurts and that isn't good enough when so many games are decided by a touchdown or less.

Posted by: Red Skinz | August 30, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry...what site are you getting the cut news???

Posted by: Leevi | August 30, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I can also see McMullen back (or elevated from the PS) if Kelly can't go for an extended period of time.

Matteral will be put on the PS if he makes it past waivers. He had a nice pre season but is not ready to play with the big boys just yet.

Posted by: etrod | August 30, 2008 6:33 PM


McMullen can't be put on the PS. He has 5 years in the league.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I m more mad bout Mix thatn McMul

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

BTW...Fred Taylor was NOT cut as someone posted earlier

Posted by: Leevi | August 30, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

The Lions only kept 2 running backs and 4 wide receivers. Strange...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

BTW Fred Taylor was NOT cut as someone posted earlier

Posted by: Leevi | August 30, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"Chris Larry...what site are you getting the cut news???"

Here: http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o197/Yelaza/Redskins.jpg

Posted by: F Dallas | August 30, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

The Lions only kept 2 running backs and 4 wide receivers. Strange...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Fred Taylor was not cut as reported earlier

Posted by: Leevi | August 30, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: F Dallas | August 30, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

So whatever happened to Westbrook? Never really heard much about him this year.

Posted by: Cookie | August 30, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

The Lions only kept 2 running backs and 4 wide receivers. Strange...

Posted by: Mr. Redundant | August 30, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

The Lions only kept 2 running backs and 4 wide receivers. Strange...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 6:39 PM

Kitna only needs one WR- Jesus will catch all his passes.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Chad Johnson may be the dumbest man in the NFL.
Saw this on ESPN:

The Cincinnati Bengals receiver has legally changed his name to Chad Javon Ocho Cinco in Broward County, Fla., a switch that became official this week. Johnson, who lives in Miami, didn't return a message left on his cell phone Friday night.

"It's something I don't think anyone has ever done before," he told the team's Web site. "Have I ever had a reason for why I do what I do? I'm having fun."


Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Here are the Dallas cuts:

The Dallas Cowboys have announced their complete roster cuts and are now down to 53 players on the roster.

Among the biggest names is wide receiver Danny Amendola, who has been prominently featured on Hard Knocks, running back Keon Lattimore, best known as the younger brother of Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis, and Marcus Dixon, who was a defendant in a high-profile rape case in which he was charged with sexually assaulting a high school classmate.

The other players cut were tight end Drew Atchison, nose tackle Remi Ayodele, quarterback Richard Bartel, wide receiver Mark Bradford, running back Alonzo Coleman, fullback Julius Crosslin, safety Dowayne Davis, linebacker Tearrius George, tackle Ryan Gibbons, tight end Rodney Hannah, receiver Mike Jefferson, tackle Cory Lekkerkerker, receiver Todd Lowber, linebacker Darrell Robertson, nose tackle Junior Siavii, defensive end Marcus Smith, linebacker Tyson Smith and linebacker Erik Walden.

The Cowboys also announced that they have put Larry Allen on the reserve/retired list after he signed a ceremonial contract.

Posted by: F Dallas | August 30, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 6:45 PM

Cut it out with your anti religion already fu*k boy! We know that you hate Jesus, Allah, and Buddah. Why don't you try something more constructive like banging your G/F or discussing her employment.

Jackass.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Hello Everyone,
I've waited all day for the cuts, and then wanted to read your responses initially.

I've posted on here all five preseason games that Tryon was horrible; all mouth; no play.

I just don't get it
Perhaps Vinny's pride is getting in the way.

Also I loved Thrash for years; but what can he really give us on offense?
Why not McMullen?

Bring back Richardson cut Tryon.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 6:45 PM

Cut it out with your anti religion already fu*k boy! We know that you hate Jesus, Allah, and Buddah. Why don't you try something more constructive like banging your G/F or discussing her employment.

Jackass.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Not smart of Frost to bash the skins now. If the rookie stated bombing, they might have called him back. No chance now.

Frost shouldn't have taken JLC's bait.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Frost unhappy with decision? When did Captain Obvious replace the beat reporter? Of course he's unhappy! I think there are only 2 people who seem to think he should have kept his job after 3 years of badly timed shanks: Frost and JLC.

Thanks for your punts over the years, Frost. Good luck with your future team.

Posted by: Alan | August 30, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Tryon is very fast and that is something you don't just let out the door. My guess is he will not see any playing time in the secondary this year but he did play well on special teams.

Unlike Mason who also would not see any playing time in the backfield but did not perform very well on special teams.

Posted by: Vinny's Mom | August 30, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Frost unhappy with decision? When did Captain Obvious replace the beat reporter? Of course he's unhappy! I think there are only 2 people who seem to think he should have kept his job after 3 years of badly timed shanks: Frost and JLC.

Thanks for your punts over the years, Frost. Good luck with your future team.

Posted by: Alan | August 30, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Frost never heard that saying about bridges and fires I guess, once again proving how much he sucks, he might have just talked himself out of a job that he already punted himself out of.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 30, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

NO, Chad Johnson is about to be an even richer man. Think of all the "Ocho Cinco" jerseys he'll now make money from.

Posted by: wonsapnatm | August 30, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

The Rams cut someone named: C.J. Ah You

That is a travesty, just for the name along he should have been kept.

Fortunately his brother B.J. Fo You
made the team

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

"Cut it out with your anti religion already fu*k boy"


Thank you.

Posted by: Jesus | August 30, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Jerome McDougle cut by the igles, interesting, gotta think he's better than Wilson or Jackson or Both.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 30, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Our idiot punter gets liquered up and bad mouths the f/o...

Posted by: P. Manning | August 30, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Jerome McDougle cut by the igles, interesting, gotta think he's better than Wilson or Jackson or Both.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 30, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Our idiot punter gets liquered up and bad mouths the f/o...

Posted by: P. Manning | August 30, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

This reeks of Ceratto. He protects all ten of his draft picks, and saddles Mr. West Coast Passing offense with very little help in teh receiving department?

Clark or Crummey, Mix OR McMullin should have made this team. IMO.

If someone cuts a decent CB, Tryon should go and be replaced by him. But I doubt Mr. C will allow that.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 30, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Ray,

I am all for young blood at WR, but I take Thrash over McMullen 10 times out of 10. There is no WR better to show our rookies the ethic they will need for the nfl than Thrash, he knows this game and is tough mentally and physically, Never had the natural talents of many stars but has their heart, these kids need to get that.

Kitna looks like an idiot with that giant cross on his dew rag. As would anyone with a star of david, the moon and star icon of the Muslim faith or, in my case, a copy of the declaration of independence or a picture of Abe Lincoln.

For that matter any bald white man with a dew rag will look like an idiot.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

But this was also by far the most consistent I had ever seen him perform in practices and games, and his leg looked bigger than ever. To me, he outproduced the kid.


I for one am glad it isn't up to you. His ass needed to be gone. He needs to look no futher than himself. If he would had perform well the last 3 years there would be no need to draft somone.

Posted by: jm220 | August 30, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

two guys I'd like us to get, hank poteat (ps squad Tryon) and Jerome McDougle (psquad jackson) we don't need to part-time speed rushers.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 30, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

BTW anyone in the State of Louisiana, get out now!

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Obviously Zorn doesn't run team. Frost speaks for all the players. The best men didn't stay on squad. So Zorn is undermined by Cerrato. That's what Cerrato always does. That's what he does to reporters, coaches, players, and everyone except the owner, who he plays like a fiddle. The team will go six and ten at best.

Posted by: rod | August 30, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

This cut down system and 80 man roster sucks for young players. Marcus Mason is NFL's leading pre-season rusher, McMullen played very well and Clark or Crummey would be a nice pickup for a team needing line depth.

These guys were paid a few hundred bucks a week and play a LOT in FIVE preseason games.

Then with 5 days before the NFL's first game..they get unceremonisously dumped.

Why has time to give them much of a looksee.

The OWNERS pocketed ticket money season ticket holders HAD to shell out to see these "scrubs."


Posted by: Corkczar | August 30, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Everyone repeat after me- Forst Sucks!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Fortunately his brother B.J. Fo You
made the team

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 7:01 PM

LMGO.

Posted by: etrod | August 30, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

"Tryon is fast and performed well on special teams" by Vinnie's Mom
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I hope you are correct, Mom, I hope you are correct.
Because Tryon does not appear to be aggressive enough as a corner; the guy to me each preseason game is getting beat, looks lost, is hanging on, not aggressive on the ball.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Frost shouldn't have taken JLC's bait.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 6:54 PM

Can't believe I am agreeing with you but I am

Posted by: jm220 | August 30, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

"Tryon is fast and performed well on special teams" by Vinnie's Mom
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I hope you are correct, Mom, I hope you are correct.
Because Tryon does not appear to be aggressive enough as a corner; the guy to me each preseason game is getting beat, looks lost, is hanging on, not aggressive on the ball.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Hefty Lefty lookin for work again...

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Ray,

At least on Team he is not at fault for the guy catching the ball. And he can tackle. We know that because he was always having to bring guys down after they beat him for 5-10 yards.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Kitna looks like an idiot with that giant cross on his dew rag. As would anyone with a star of david, the moon and star icon of the Muslim faith or, in my case, a copy of the declaration of independence or a picture of Abe Lincoln.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:08 PM

First of all, it's DOO-RAG, d-bag. Second, so your country is your symbolism for religion? That's funny as sh*t! You know, most people would die for the religion. Would you die for your country? If so, please at this time carry your retarded ass over to Iraq or Afghanistan, please?

I think you'd look fine with a platic bag over your entire head.

Go kill yourself.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I eat poop

Posted by: | August 30, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

First of all, it's DOO-RAG, d-bag. Second, so your country is your symbolism for religion? That's funny as sh*t! You know, most people would die for the religion. Would you die for your country? If so, please at this time carry your retarded ass over to Iraq or Afghanistan, please?

I think you'd look fine with a platic bag over your entire head.

Go kill yourself.


Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 7:17 PM

Wow, you just came across as an even bigger degenerate a$$bag than Alexnumbers.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

+++Obviously Zorn doesn't run team. Frost speaks for all the players. The best men didn't stay on squad. So Zorn is undermined by Cerrato. That's what Cerrato always does. That's what he does to reporters, coaches, players, and everyone except the owner, who he plays like a fiddle. The team will go six and ten at best.

Posted by: rod | August 30, 2008 7:11 PM+++

Agree except with your optimistic prediction.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 30, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Frost had to see the writing on the wall. Brooks would've had to have been terrible for Frost to beat him out. As it was they were pretty comparable. Tie goes to the rookie. To Frost's credit he stepped up and looked good in the preseason to the point that other teams are apparently interested. I'm glad they kept Jackson. Wouldn't have blamed them for cutting Tyron, don't know whether any of the other DB's that they cut were that much better though.

Posted by: skinswest | August 30, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Jason should worry more about getting the scoop then trying to justify another one of his bs hunches by slamming the front office.

Posted by: Andy from Baltimore | August 30, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, I think I could still beat him in the degenerate a$$bag games. But frankly I have bored myself.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Great investigative reporting.... "I know, I'll get the punter on the phone to badmouth the team!" You really outclassed the rest of the media on this one dude.

Posted by: mcsixth | August 30, 2008 6:29 PM
Beautifully accurate. Well done.

Posted by: BluCollar Redskin | August 30, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, I think I could still beat him in the degenerate a$$bag games. But frankly I have bored myself.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:22 PM

LOL, I have no doubts Alex.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they had someone tracking hangtimes for the puntoff. Anyone know who had the better hangtime average?

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Tryon deservedly made the roster. He's a helluva lot closer to playing than Richardson.

Also, Frost deservedly got the boot. He's still hitting low-liners and shanking punts 4 years into his career.

Posted by: je suis un pizza | August 30, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Would you die for your country?

As a retired soldier following in my fathers fott steps the answer to your question for millions of us is yes. And many have. Maybe you should sign up. It would teach you something.

Posted by: bishopj36 | August 30, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey Alex,
Good point regarding Thrash.
In my opinion, how long do we keep Thrash around when he is not going to get open. I've LOVED Thrash as well, but I think I am ready to say, if you can't get open, how long we supposed to do this?

Hey Alex, I don't understand your posting to me regarding Kitna, crosses, idiots etc.

What are you talking about?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Apparently unlike a lot of people on this blog I did not attend every practice and watch hours of game film so my opinion is very nonexpert. However, just a few thoughts.

Tyron vs. Richardson - first of all we are talking about the number 5 cornerback, he will probably be inactive most games. My guess is the decision was you can't coach speed and Tyron is clearly faster then Richardson

Mason - Looked good in games but appartently is good on teams and pass protection. Even if they kept him again he would probably spend most of the time inactive

McMullen - a journeyman WR who did well about 3rd teamers but did not seem to get much seperate and dropped some easy passes. I guess maybe they didn't see an upside

Frost vs. Brooks - Since preseason was a tie or slight edge to Frost I guess they went with potential vice known quantity. The only two concerns on replacing Frost is the holding job (not to be underrated) and his ability to make tackles (Durant just tries to get in the way). Hopefully Durant will do well holding.

Posted by: Lifelong Fan | August 30, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Ray,
I was responding to 2 posts in one reply. Sory should have seperated with a
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or
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or something. That was for an anon.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Bryant, Hobson, Gutierrez among Patriots cuts

August 30, 2008 7:24 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Tim Graham

The New England Patriots made some striking moves to get their roster down to the 53-man limit.

Most surprising was their decision to cut CB Fernando Bryant, the player they signed to replace Pro Bowler Asante Samuel, who departed via free agency. They also cut LB Victor Hobson, who started 14 games last year for the New York Jets.



Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Alex35332 from the games I saw in the dirty jerz. Brooks had better hang time.

Posted by: jm220 | August 30, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Great investigative reporting.... "I know, I'll get the punter on the phone to badmouth the team!" You really outclassed the rest of the media on this one dude.

Posted by: mcsixth | August 30, 2008 6:29 PM
Beautifully accurate. Well done.

Posted by: BluCollar Redskin | August 30, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm just back. Frost has a higher opinion of himself than I think is deserved. He may have kicked the ball well, but beyoond distance is hang time, directional kicking etc. He had to outperofrm the rook by a great margin because he didn't produce last year. In the I can't fault this decision. It's time to move onto Brooks.

Posted by: TWISI | August 30, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I wish that they would say the hang times on the broadcast. Didn't they once upon a time.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow, you just came across as an even bigger degenerate a$$bag than Alexnumbers.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 7:19 PM

Figured you would say something. Everytime someone f*cks with someone on here you come in with baton and whistle. You're not the blog police, a-hole. Stop trying to be one. If no one is addressing sh*t to you, shut the f*ck up and post your regular BS.

Now go back to your mommy's tit like a good lad now.

Di*kwad.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Scamp.

I take it back, he would win.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

wow, what happend to SJK's?

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 30, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Hello Everyone,
It just occurred to me that today's cuts brings me back to memories of years gone by.

Did Vinny C make all the cuts?
What say did Zorn have?

Years ago, GM BB and HC JG had a big argument. It later came out in the Post. If I recall correctly, BB had drafted Zendaehas to replace Moseley. The two argued and Gibbs wanted Moseley. So they kept Moseley.

Anyway, what was revealed was the agreement / arrangement the Skins had in place.

GM BB had power to draft and sign FA as he desired. But the final say as to who stayed and who was cut was w/ HC Joe
Gibbs. Anyone else remember this?

Today: was it revealed to us that Vinny has power to determine who comes and goes?

Anyone?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Sjk was replaced with comic book like @#!*#&. I dunno, neither is really better or worse, but better than doing a bad made for TV movie dub.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I might favor Brooks over Frost, but the part that concerns me is Frost's bitterness over all of it. Of course he's not going to be happy about being fired, but it makes you wonder how much more leverage Cerrato has running the team than the coaches. I mean, first of all, what's the point in have a position competition if you already know who you're going to go with? And maybe in the end Danny Smith would've agreed to go with Brooks, but I'm sure he would've broken the news to Frost better. Think about it from your perspective, if management's thinking of replacing you with someone else, would you rather that the decision come from your supervisor who you see everyday and is an expert in the field, or from a distant CEO you've hardly met? Regardless of the decision, I'd prefer the former, and Frost has good reason to be bitter.

Of course Frost vs. Brooks is small change, but it seems to be a pattern in Cerrato's egotistical decisions. And upper management like that can really run a good team amok. What's the message to the coaching staff and the rest of the players? "You guys can have fun but we're in charged of the budget and we're going to fire whoever we want to"? That's when a team becomes more like a group of random players. And if it continues it'll run them to the ground with no mercy.

Posted by: Josh | August 30, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

The Miami Dolphina cut DB Hank Poteat. I hop the Redskins pick him up.

I dont' know if he's any good, but it would really be great to have a guy named "Poteat" on the squad

Especially now that Goode & Crummey have departed.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 30, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Ray,
Too young to remember all that BBJG stuff but that framing of who stays and go makes sense to me. I wonder if they just are not letting JZ make these calls his rookie season?

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Brooks v Frost:
Brooks had to distence himself from the shank. He didn't do it. He's gone. Simple.

Posted by: bishopj36 | August 30, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

For once, I have to agree with JLC. Frost performed better in preseason - perhaps because he had to - but he still performed better than Brooks. So obviously Brooks was kept because he was a draft pick and Frost was inconsistent during the season.

Posted by: Lisa | August 30, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

For once, I have to agree with JLC. Frost performed better in preseason - perhaps because he had to - but he still performed better than Brooks. So obviously Brooks was kept because he was a draft pick and Frost was inconsistent during the season.

Posted by: Lisa | August 30, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Corkczar is an idiot....a pathetic, babbling idiot.

Posted by: Corkczar's Dad | August 30, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Scamp.

I take it back, he would win.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:38 PM

I tried to post back but it was censored.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

JLC hates this team. Can we get a REAL reporter instead of this baby.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Tryon deservedly made the roster.

Posted by: je suis un pizza | August 30, 2008 7:28 PM

Tom Tryon, maybe. J.T. Tryon, not really.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 30, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I tried to post back but it was censored.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 7:47 PM

I have got a few of them today and allot of Losable type drops.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Figured you would say something. Everytime someone f*cks with someone on here you come in with baton and whistle. You're not the blog police, a-hole. Stop trying to be one. If no one is addressing sh*t to you, shut the f*ck up and post your regular BS.

Now go back to your mommy's tit like a good lad now.

Di*kwad.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 7:37 PM

Go fu*k yourself you backwater co*ksucker. Someone should have offed your mother before she spread her legs for that $5 crack rock. She should have aborted your retarded a$$ but I guess she had to get that welfare payment raised somehow. That crack habit must be pretty expensive.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

JLC hates this team. Can we get a REAL reporter instead of this baby.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 7:47 PM

We have 3 reporters all together, or we are supposed to.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I tried to post back but it was censored.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 7:47 PM

HA! You can email me at: youreaf*cktard@loser.org

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey Alex,
Don't know, but shouldn't a HC have the final say on "his team" of players "he" has the responsibility to coach?

I mean you train em, practice 'em, choose who you are going to play and when in the games, and then Vinny can come along and cut guys you had planned on keeping?

Now this news today folks, frustrates me further.
Why was JZ hired? Is this now Vinny's team?
A man who had already been a HC would not have put up w/ this, and sadly, perhaps that is why we could not hire a man w/ HC experience last spring.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I tried to post back but it was censored.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 7:47 PM

HA! You can email me at: youreaf*cktard@loser.org

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 7:50 PM

Someone take the keyboard from the polesmoker. His 23 IQ is getting riled up.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

And people wonder why I dislike religious zealots.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey Alex,
Don't know, but shouldn't a HC have the final say on "his team" of players "he" has the responsibility to coach?

I mean you train em, practice 'em, choose who you are going to play and when in the games, and then Vinny can come along and cut guys you had planned on keeping?

Now this news today folks, frustrates me further.
Why was JZ hired? Is this now Vinny's team?
A man who had already been a HC would not have put up w/ this, and sadly, perhaps that is why we could not hire a man w/ HC experience last spring.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

+++Today: was it revealed to us that Vinny has power to determine who comes and goes?

Anyone?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 7:38 PM+++


We're all just dancing in the dark, here ray, but it sure smells that way. His first draft class as chief cook and Bottle Washer and all Ten make the Big 53?

Three tall receivers--useful for the WC offense---are cut McMullen, Mix, and Mann.

Players aren't stupid. They know who is in charge now, and it isn't Jim Zorn. He's been seriously undercut. This rebounds to Vinny's benefit. Not HIS faulthis coaches dont' work out. He stays and new coaches come in, and he tells Vinny it's not MY fault. After all, all the guys I drafted made the team.

.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 30, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that there are some on here that claim to know who wanted who cut and kept. If you were there why didn't you let us all know the cuts earlier?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forhet that even Vinnie said Zorn was the best candidate for the job. So if Zorn fails, Vinnie fails.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Just my 2 cents. It was Brooks job to lose, if the competition was close, the rookie wins the job.

I look at the cuts and I can't find a single guy on that list other than McMullen who potentially makes a difference this year. I'm surprised they left themselves that thin at WR. At least keep McMullen until Kelly is healthy.

CB is probably the hardest position to predict future ability. I've seen some guys who looked awful as rookies turn into good players. Heck, we had Walt Harris here getting toasted regularly. Goes to SF the next year and wins a Pro Bowl slot. Neither Richardson or Tryon were anywhere close to ready.

As others have pointed out, there was an obvious bias is to keep the draft picks. Once again, no surprise.

I only saw the Jax game and a bit of the HOF game ... but based on what I've read from others in this blog, the rookie picks have done little to impress.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 30, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 7:50 PM

Oooo... got me there... what an a-wipe you are. Speaking of mothers and crack, did yours wipe off her mouth before kissing your degenerate father, toolbag? Tell your mother to have all her money next time she wants to pick my kids up off the floor. Mkay, b@$tard boy?

P.S. - I'm not going to stand for the powered milk in her ta-ta's any more... old come guzzler.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Over on the Redskins Flackwork, Redskins.Com, the cuts were announced on air by chief PR guy Larry Michaels, who only quoted Vinny Ceratto.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 30, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

: RedskinRay1

Who said Zorn didn't have the last word? We know the FO don't talk with JLC so he really don't know if Zorn had the last word or not.

Posted by: jm220 | August 30, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Speculation is part of what a blog is about but until someone proves that the cuts were made by the FO, I will continue to assume that the coaches picked the best 53. Greg Blache doesn't strike me as the type of coach who would keep someone because he was a draft pick vice a better player or in the case of a backup had better potential.

Posted by: Lifelong Fan | August 30, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Scampbell,
What a few of us are discussing is how centrally important it is for Jim Zorn to have say in his team. Vinny has apparently undercut Vinny and the players will now know that Zorn does not real authority over them.

That is horrible.
Beathard, then Casserly brought in the players but it was Gibbs who had the final say in who was cut and who was a Redskin to play for him.

That is all I am saying.
Not that I had a crystal ball or anything like that.

Thus, was Jim Zorn rehired to be fired when they can go after who it is they want?
like maybe Bill Cowher?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 7:50 PM

Oooo... got me there... what an a-wipe you are. Speaking of mothers and crack, did yours wipe off her mouth before kissing your degenerate father, toolbag? Tell your mother to have all her money next time she wants to pick my kids up off the floor. Mkay, b@$tard boy?

P.S. - I'm not going to stand for the powered milk in her ta-ta's any more... old come guzzler.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 8:01 PM

Wow, just reworded what I already said. Get some original sh!t than step up to the plate.

PS- If you don't want people to read and comment on what you have to say, DON'T POST IT ON A BLOG FU*CKBOY!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Ray,
I agree Zorn should have control, I wonder if they are keeping it from him, if they are, because he is new to the HC thing and they want him focused on the games for now.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Speculation is part of what a blog is about but until someone proves that the cuts were made by the FO, I will continue to assume that the coaches picked the best 53. Greg Blache doesn't strike me as the type of coach who would keep someone because he was a draft pick vice a better player or in the case of a backup had better potential.

Posted by: Lifelong Fan | August 30, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975, do you have anger management problems? I seriously cannot believe you are allowing a friendly blog to get you this upset.

Chill out, will ya?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Arch Deluxe released by the Raiders.

Posted by: isnadd | August 30, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975, do you have anger management problems? I seriously cannot believe you are allowing a friendly blog to get you this upset.

Chill out, will ya?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 8:07 PM

I just took my little blue pills.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Now I like Blanch, but I do wonder if they have him as DC for just a year or two or what, at his age not like he will be here more than 4.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

The NFL Network is now showing a "Cuts" show - 2 hours long.

IMO, if Zorn was not given authority, it's because he is a "rookie" coach. But according to Vinny on Redskins Nation a week or so ago, he said the decisions will be made by the coaches as well as himself, etc.

Posted by: Lisa | August 30, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Over on the Redskins Flackwork, Redskins.Com, the cuts were announced on air by chief PR guy Larry Michaels, who only quoted Vinny Ceratto.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 30, 2008 8:01 PM
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

And there we have it.
I am sorry for Jim Zorn.
The players know it is not his team; they will now view him as a puppet who has to keep looking over his shoulder.

Sorry, Jim. It's not right.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter just stated on the "Cuts" show that Malcolm Kelly will play in Game 2.

Posted by: Lisa | August 30, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow, just reworded what I already said. Get some original sh!t than step up to the plate.

PS- If you don't want people to read and comment on what you have to say, DON'T POST IT ON A BLOG FU*CKBOY!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 8:04 PM

What are you talking about? You're fu*king stupid. How did a reword anything you had posted already, d@ouchebag?

If anything you took what I posted already and jocked me, sort of like your Auntie Lois jocks my c0ck in her mouth.

you're a 'tard.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I just took my little blue pills.
Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 8:08 PM

Cool man you should have 30 minutes to get somewhere safe. Oh, and you may want to lock up any sharp objects for the time being.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Whatever, Frost...sour grapes. It's your fault that the door was even open for competition. If you hadn't reverted to Sir Shanks-a-Lot so frequently over the years they would have never even looked at a punter in the draft.

I know he's just a rookie. But so far, I agree that Justin Tryon sucks. The age of tiny fast corners in the NFL is over...especially when they've shown that they can't actually cover anybody.

And what's the deal with the Skins infatuation with less-talented relatives of NFL players. Jordan Palmer, Tim Hasselbeck, Byron Westbrook, HB Blades...we are like one of those legacy colleges who accepts all the stupid children of famous alumni...

Posted by: p1funk | August 30, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Frost has a right to be angry, not everyone knows what it's like to be cut and this was his j-o-b. As I stated before in a previous post, Frost may have had a better yard per punt average, but when it comes down to it, his net yards per punt was horrendous. Go back and watch the tape... Frosty consistently does not put enough air in his punts and out-kicks the punt team coverage. Hence, why his net yards per punt average is so low.

One thing you have to believe had to in Brooks' favor is the fact that he punted in a major conference in college, he was the Ray Guy award winner and he's been trained by the man himself... Ray Guy.

Posted by: JinxMan | August 30, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I just took my little blue pill.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

One thing you have to believe had to in Brooks' favor is the fact that he punted in a major conference in college, he was the Ray Guy award winner and he's been trained by the man himself... Ray Guy.

Posted by: JinxMan | August 30, 2008 8:13 PM


Does Ray Guy get to help pick who wins the award... I think it may have been fixed if he is.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

+++Ray,
I agree Zorn should have control, I wonder if they are keeping it from him, if they are, because he is new to the HC thing and they want him focused on the games for now.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 8:05 PM+++

yeah, sure that's the ticket... "We're doing this for your own good, Jimmy."

Posted by: Corkczar | August 30, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

After all of that whining by frost the fact remains if Frosty were playing his best the Skins would not have drafted Brooks.

Instead of whining like a sissy, do better on your next gig and make it impossible for your next team to fire you.

buh-bye!

Posted by: Bye Frostie! | August 30, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter just stated on the "Cuts" show that Malcolm Kelly will play in Game 2.

Posted by: Lisa | August 30, 2008 8:10 PM


Hey this is MY team, you little twerp. I decide who plays.

Posted by: Vinny | August 30, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey Everybody,
Is this a possibility?

Skins worked Marcus Mason much more than every other back because they already had determined they would keep CP, LB, RC?

This way Marcus got lots of work, and they could rest their backs, and not have to risk injury?

All the while, we thought they were doing it to get him ready for the season...

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I remember 1 good game by Tim Hasselbeck, 1 play that sticks out was a deep pass that took about 30 minutes because he had to put such a high arch on it.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

By Frost, so long. I won't miss you. In all honesty, I wish we'd retracted our minimum wage, one year, offer to you when you rejected it in the first place. He's an idiot.

It's not that he didn't play great this preseason (other than outkicking his coverage team on most of his long distance punts) it was that he did the same thing the last time his job was on the line, then returned to his bad form when he won the job. I was even cheering for him the last time, not this time.

Now you can test out the market forever, got your wish. And so I dub thee our own "Idiot kicker".

Posted by: jflow78 | August 30, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

I find it amusing that we have been hearing for years that the Redskins need to build through the draft, but now they are wrong to give their draft picks a chance.

We have heard how bad Frost stunk for years, but now they were wrong to cut him even though a rookie (with a huge upside) was able to keep up with Frost (performing at his best) during the preseason.

We also have heard that the Skins needed a GM, but now that we have one, we hear conspiracy theories about his egotistical interference with personnel decisions.

Sounds to me like certain media types just want to be "all negative, all the time", and they will flip flop sides on any issue if necessary to try to paint every move in a negative light.

"Give us Dirty Laundry", please, please, please!

Posted by: Jason | August 30, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you check the waiver wire and do an article about people our team might be able to use, instead of interviewing a guy that wasn't going to like the decision even if he had sucked rocks in the preseason and the rookie had looked like a HoFer. Seriously.

Posted by: jflow78 | August 30, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Why you gots to hurt me, Jason? What did I ever do to you? You're lucky Master Snyder isn't Dictator For Life of the Washington Post. If he was, I'd put you in a write-off against some hotshot from the Medill School of Journalism and call it an open competition and then cut you the first time you misspelled Druckenmiller. Can I have my 8:20 snack now Master Snyder?

Love,

Vin

Posted by: V. Cerrato | August 30, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Is this thing crashing like mad for others?

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Is this thing crashing like mad for others?

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 8:26 PM

Yep, someone needs to give the blog some little blue pills too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Sounds to me like certain media types just want to be "all negative, all the time", and they will flip flop sides on any issue if necessary to try to paint every move in a negative light.

"Give us Dirty Laundry", please, please, please!

Posted by: Jason | August 30, 2008 8:22 PM

By media types you mean reporters or the coked up hamptsers?

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Does Ray Guy get to help pick who wins the award... I think it may have been fixed if he is.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 8:15 PM
--------------------------------------
Nah bruh, just simply saying that Brooks has the advantage of being trained by the guy who had an award created in his honor. I think Danny Smith, Cerrato or whomever made the call to cut Frosty got tired of his multiple shanks and antics and decided to go with the "rook."

Posted by: JinxMan | August 30, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Frost was a decent punter. He wasn't great, but he sure as hell wasn't beat out by that rookie. Are we going to starting changing kickers every one or two years again?

Posted by: Fred | August 30, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd made the team for the Bears. Sucks to be them.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

in a way this post by JLC helps justify them cutting Frost. Punters should never ever have an attitude problem u know what I mean.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

in a way this post by JLC helps justify them cutting Frost. Punters should never ever have an attitude problem u know what I mean.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 8:31 PM

agree

Posted by: JinxMan | August 30, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Posted by: Flatline | August 30, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

There are alot of A$$hats on this blog, Frost has no hangtime and the reason he has to make so many saving tackles is because he out kicks his coverege all the time. If you watch hard Knocks you know that teams evaluate the players as a collective group all the coaches and the GM, who has the final say probably differs from team to team. Tryon or Richardson for that matter would never play CB this year so who cares who the kept, tryon can play on teams and learn as he goes at CB.

The WR position is set who cares who the 5th wideout is if Moss goes down or ARE they will find a veteran to fill in.

JLC just proved how much he hates this team how about some real reporting instead of a bash piece from a punter, do your job JackA$$.

Posted by: KMDP4 | August 30, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

980 just said we are signing tackle Willie Anderson. He should easily overtake Heyer. PS, Zorn is talking about the "dark and ugly day" of being cut on the NFL Network Cuts show.

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

CL,

He is 33 but could be a good backup or start if need be, to let Heyer develop more.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 30, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Funny: Billick asking "How ya doing" as he's greeting a guy he's cutting.

I wish once, a guy had said, "How the f__k do you think I'm doing?!"

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I see DT Dre Moore from Maryland was cut by TB anyone know if he would be someone to look at for PS maybe.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 30, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

980 just said we are signing tackle Willie Anderson. He should easily overtake Heyer. PS, Zorn is talking about the "dark and ugly day" of being cut on the NFL Network Cuts show.

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 8:50 PM

I thought that might happen. I'm not upset about it. Who goes to open up a spot for him?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

the above isn't me....kind of a weird fake post....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

CL,
iNteRestINg about anDERson, wE nEEd 1 mOre oL plAyEr, To haVE 10.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Scamp,

I think you have to let an OL go not sure which one Geisinger maybe.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 30, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

the above isn't me....kind of a weird fake post....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 8:55
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It's gotta be me, because it's a stupid aSSSSSSSSS post and I'm a stupid aSSSSSSSSS

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I see DT Dre Moore from Maryland was cut by TB anyone know if he would be someone to look at for PS maybe.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 30, 2008 8:55 PM

I thought he looked really good at the combine. He was one of the players I was watching.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

ok this is me...i would like to take a look at victor hobson at lb...5 year vet....started 48 games for jets...

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

So is the Willie Anderson post another fake then?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I like local players on the PS I say take a look at the kid sure.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

CL,

What LB spot on Hobson.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 30, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I STILL THINK 11-5 IS REALISTIC IF WE STAY HEALTHY. FOR THE RECORD F*** McSAME....

Posted by: Obama is Da Man!!! | August 30, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

So is the Willie Anderson post another fake then?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 8:59 PM
-------

Duhhh, f--ing, uhhh!

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

So is the Willie Anderson post another fake then?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 8:59 PM
-------

Duhhh, f--king, uhhh!

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

So is the Willie Anderson post another fake then?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 8:59 PM
-------

Duhhh, f--ing, uhhh!

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 9:00 PM

I know, I know. It's the little blue pills.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

The willie anderson post wasnt me, so i doubt the info...

Hobson is outside LB

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

if your gonna spoof me at least be funny...

Posted by: chris larry | August 30, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

On the who picks and who cuts debate:

Does anyone really think every rookie head coach in the league gets to pick every player on his roster?

Should Zorn be able to cut Thomas and Kelly because McMullen and Mix are more ready to play games 1-6?

Did Richardson outplay Tryon? Sure. But in the 5th cornerback role Blache may be happy to say we'll take the kid with the speed and try and make him something better.

Durant v. Frost - in this case the tie was never going to the vet. If Durant had tanked, which he did not, Frost gets the job. Durant did not tank, Frost did not get the job. Could that come back to haunt us? Sure but who is not sick of Frost's inconsistency in the regular season?

The NFL is a balancing act between today and tomorrow, and sometimes a good coach will accede to keep potential. It does not mean that Zorn is a puppet and it is the same dance that happens in most cities around the league.

If VinnyDan starts dictating who plays (other of course then the punter situation) that is when the balance of power is whacked and we are truly doomed.

Posted by: Other Marc with a C | August 30, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

The willie anderson post wasnt me, so i doubt the info...

Hobson is outside LB

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 9:03 PM

Another idiot being a sh!t bomb then. What about the McDougle cut? Just adding age?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Let's face the facts here everyone- this preseason was a complete joke. Not one of these positions were actually up for grabs anyway. We brought back all 22 of our starters.
Mason is as good as any one of the rb's we have, but we have two big fat contracts on the top two rb's we have, and in a perfect world Mason would be competing for legimate playing time but that's not going to happen cause of the $$$. So Mason had no shot to begin with. We drafted two top wideouts, so they aren't going to be cut, and you're only going to carry 8 offensive lineman tops during the season, and we've already got Heyer and Rinehart as two backups, and now we kept this Center as the eighth.
If you're going to rebuild the line, or any other position for that matter, you have to GET RID OF the players you have starting there already to make room for the younger players. Or at least make it an open competition. Problem is, the way we throw around fat signing bonuses and restructure guys contracts, extending them out years to accommodate our salary cap, there is no way to cut them. While it appears we have no salary cap problem on the surface, we really do when you see the preseason and realize we have no real competition on this team. We need some younger, better players, but it will take several years and a change in philosophy to ever get there.

Posted by: Joey Sports | August 30, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

"Mason is as good as any one of the rb's we have"

And the mancrushes on Mason reach a new high.....

Posted by: chrIs lArry | August 30, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Hobson is not gonna see the filed outside Special Teams, I don't see him on the D unless we lose both our starters.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

The willie anderson post wasnt me, so i doubt the info...

Hobson is outside LB

Posted by: chrIS lArry
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ALL...YEAR...LONG...you, smug sonofab__h

Posted by: chrIS lArry's Arse | August 30, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

So, Frost is not only a mediocre punter but he's also as thick as a brick. How in the world does he thing he's helping himself get another job when he says:

"I feel like I was dealt with dishonestly ... when you've got a draft that isn't starting to look so good, you're going to do whatever you can to make it look as good as possible."

Why would any head coach or GM want a guy like this on his team?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

well alex considering the injury history of marcus and rocky mac that is not out of range of possibility...


we need a vet back-up on a LB depth. Godfrey paid dividends last year...I am really worried about health, depth and experience at LB and a vet youngish vet like Hobson could bolster that unit...

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd made the team for the Bears. Sucks to be them.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 8:31 PM
############################################
No doubt Brandon Lloyd made the Bears because of his stellar special teams play... he blocked a punt!

Rumor has it the Bears are so pleased w/ Lloyd's good attitude for the team, his tremendous work ethic, his exuberance for the success of his team over himself...

Ok, I'll stop there.
I'm already having a great laugh.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

And for all of you who are surprised that Vinnie, not the coaches, chose the players -- duh? That's his job. He chose the coach and he picks the players. The coach's job is to coach the players that Vinnie gives him.

It's always been this way in the NFL. Think Gibbs and Beathard/Casserly. That's why coaches try to get both positions -- coach and general manager. And when they do, that's usually when things go bad.

Coaching and managing are two very different skill sets and people who are good at one aren't necessarily good at the other (Gibbs, Holmgren).

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

CL your concern is understandable. I worry more about Blades though over this new kid. Blades seemed to have trouble finishing a tackle last week

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd made the team for the Bears. Sucks to be them.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 8:31 PM
############################################
No doubt Brandon Lloyd made the Bears because of his stellar special teams play... he blocked a punt!

Rumor has it the Bears are so pleased w/ Lloyd's good attitude for the team, his tremendous work ethic, his exuberance for the success of his team over himself...

Ok, I'll stop there.
I'm already having a great laugh.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 9:18 PM

One of the reasons the Bears are perenniel contenders.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Diddy halts private jet flights over fuel prices

Friday, August 29, 2008 11:28:32 PM

Fuel prices have grounded an unexpected frequent-flyer: Diddy.

Sean "Diddy" Combs complained about the "... too high" price of gas and pleaded for free oil from his "Saudi Arabia brothers and sisters" in a YouTube video posted Wednesday. The hip-hop mogul said he is now flying on commercial airlines instead of in private jets, which Combs said had previously cost him $200,000 and up for a roundtrip between New York and Los Angeles.

"I'm actually flying commercial," Diddy said before walking onto an airplane, sitting in a first-class seat and flashing his boarding pass to the camera. "That's how high gas prices are. I'm at the gate right now. This is really happening, proof gas prices are too high. l whoever the next president is we need to bring gas prices down."

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Yeah.

Yeah.

THAT's why oil prices need to come down--because Sean "Diddy" Combs is being forced to fly commercial.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

This is precisely why you will never see the Redskins on Hard Knocks. The front office meddling in critical decisions like this would be laughable for the public to see.

Posted by: RambleOn | August 30, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

LB Dallas Sartz was cut today by Seattle.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

"Mason is as good as any one of the rb's we have"

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If that's true, we've done him a great favor because he'll be starting for one of the other 31 teams in the league. Always a roster spot for a rb as good as Portis.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

This is precisely why you will never see the Redskins on Hard Knocks. The front office meddling in critical decisions like this would be laughable for the public to see.

Posted by: RambleOn | August 30, 2008 9:21 PM

God knows, Jerry Jones would never "meddle" in a decision. He'd leave that up to the head coach.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

LB Ahmad Brooks (UVA) cut by the Bungles.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

For once, I have to agree with JLC. Frost performed better in preseason - perhaps because he had to - but he still performed better than Brooks. So obviously Brooks was kept because he was a draft pick and Frost was inconsistent during the season.

Posted by: Lisa | August 30, 2008 7:45 PM

Obviously... the only reason you ever bring a second punter into camp is because your punter is screwing up. The only reason you DRAFT a punter is because your punter is screwing up BIG-TIME, and you intend to replace him.

The head to head competition was pretty much a tie. Frost had a higher gross average, Brooks had a higher net average. The difference was plus or minus about 2 yards.

The tie-breaker was what each man archived over the previous few years. It's a lot like if BLloyd had come back top training camp this year and virtually tied with his main competition--do you think the previous years wouldn't factor in?

Bye-bye, Chokey McShank!

Posted by: Alan | August 30, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

as well as LB Robert McCune by the Ravens

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Trying to put together a roster of just freshly cut players. Cant find a single QB to throw in there

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

casey bramlett

or u could go the unsigned dude route: culpepper

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

or chris simms

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 30, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

Try sween's dark horse -- Casey Bramlet. And, Atlanta cut Harrington. He'll probably get another shot somewhere.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Trying to put together a roster of just freshly cut players. Cant find a single QB to throw in there

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 9:28 PM

The hefty lefty, Andre Woodson, and Joey Harrington are out there. Not starters but I'd take Woodson of all of them. The Missing Spleen was cut too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

People need to keep in mind that the 53 man roster that we're looking at is different from the 'Skins 53 man roster when they play the Giants. There will be two or three additions/deletions in the next few days. I don't think Tryon, for example, will be on the roster Thursday night.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Weird they arent listed on NFL.com's transaction page. I knew about Casey and if you were to throw together a team of castaways why not.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 30, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Archuleta got cut from Oakland.

What a shock (that he was signed in the first place, I mean).

Posted by: Not Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Casey's got to the the chief castaway: Cincinnati, Washington, Atlanta, Miami, San Diego, Baltimore. The guy must spend more time getting his magazines forwarded than he does practicing.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

People need to keep in mind that the 53 man roster that we're looking at is different from the 'Skins 53 man roster when they play the Giants.

Posted by: talent evaluator
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Remind me, of the 53 man roster, how many actually "dress" for games?

Posted by: Kelli Johnson is Hot | August 30, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

45 i think dress

Posted by: alex35332 | August 30, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

scamp, I thought "hefty lefty" was reserved for Jared Lorenzen (6-4, 285 -- yeah, right he's that light!), not Andre Woodson (6-5, 230).

Posted by: Alan | August 30, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

scamp, I thought "hefty lefty" was reserved for Jared Lorenzen (6-4, 285 -- yeah, right he's that light!), not Andre Woodson (6-5, 230).

Posted by: Alan | August 30, 2008 9:37 PM

It is, I guess I shoulha done a better job of seperating the 2. They're both cut.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

throwing lorenzen in there at DT.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 30, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

my bad... I see you were referring to 3 diff guys. Carry on.

Posted by: Alan | August 30, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Jordan Palmer made the Bengals squad with his bro.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Jordan Palmer made the Bengals squad with his bro.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:40 PM

I hear payton and eli want to do this someday

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

And for all of you who are surprised that Vinnie, not the coaches, chose the players -- duh? That's his job. He chose the coach and he picks the players. The coach's job is to coach the players that Vinnie gives him.

It's always been this way in the NFL. Think Gibbs and Beathard/Casserly. That's why coaches try to get both positions -- coach and general manager. And when they do, that's usually when things go bad...
Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 9:18 PM
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Hey TE,
Actually you are mistaken.
The arrangment in DC for Beathard, Casserley and Gibbs was:
The GM consults Coaches regarding drafts but he drafts.
BB, CC brought in the players.
The Coaching Staff determined who stayed and who was cut.

that was established long ago in print and interviews.


Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I hear payton and eli want to do this someday

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:42 PM

Wrong. Neither is willing to the the backup.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

If LBP's last name was anything else, would he be in the league right now? I'm sure that's the only reason why the Skins took a shot at him last year, and why BBP's team is keeping him this year.

Posted by: RambleOn | August 30, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Now its time for the easiest part of any coach's job. The cuts. Although I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you. Wendell is cut. Rudy is cut. Janey, you're gone. Steven, I
like your hussle. Thats why it was so hard to cut you. Congratulations, the rest of you made the team!

Except you, you and you.

Homer Simpson, [Bart Star]

Posted by: Not Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for that anon. I stand corrected.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

So...I should drop Frost as my fantasy punter?

Posted by: Not Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

If LBP's last name was anything else, would he be in the league right now? I'm sure that's the only reason why the Skins took a shot at him last year, and why BBP's team is keeping him this year.

Posted by: RambleOn | August 30, 2008 9:45 PM

That and he put up some pretty good numbers for the Arizona Rattlers in the Arena Football League after the 'Skins cut him.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

So...I should drop Frost as my fantasy punter?

Posted by: Not Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:47 PM

Depends. Who you got to replace him?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

So...I should drop Frost as my fantasy punter?

Posted by: Not Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:47 PM

Depends. Who you got to replace him?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 9:52 PM

Surely u can't be serious, dude.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey TE,
No problem; I've been corrected many times on here.,..
We all remember different things you know...
Sorry, I overlooked to post my name on that post regarding Gibbs, Beathard, Casserly

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Willie Anderson ain't coming here. Remember, why he was cut--b/c he wouldn't take a pay cut. Look at the salary cap here.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Ray,

Best way to learn is from mistakes. God knows I should have learned a lot more given the number of mistakes I've made.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry fellas there will be another Marcus Mason next year, and the year after that, and the year after that.

Posted by: F*ck Dallas & RedskinsRay1 | August 30, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!


Maybe it was your 1.0 second hang time. When you were a free agent and no outside Saskatchewan called you, maybe that was an indication.

Here's too Durant, the best pick in this years Redskin draft. Vinny might has well used all three 2nd rounders on Durant. Get lost Frost-ed Flake; your line drivers killed us.

Posted by: duh2mag | August 30, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

The Frost situation is interesting; I don't think it was a bad move at all to keep Brooks. If it was close at all, you have to think the tiebreaker was going to go to Brooks.

The Skins did a favor to Frost to *invite* him to camp for an open competition. The only way he would've kept the job is if Brooks was horrific. But, he wasn't. I don't believe that's being dishonest at all...

Think of it this way; Brooks was very close to Frost and Frost kicked great in the preaseason. But Frost kicked great in almost every preseason and started shanking it when the pressure was on. Maybe Brooks is going to bring the consistency to the punting game that we so badly need.

It's unfortunate that Frost thinks that he needed to only slightly outperform Brooks to win the job. The odds were stacked against him during the competition as they should have been; he had 3 years to prove his mettle.

Posted by: hailbg | August 30, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

This whole roster was set so that Vinnie can say that his entire draft class was a hit.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Agree, hailbg. And, it's not like Frost turned down a bunch of other offers because the Redskins "lied" to him. He only had one chance and the Redskins at least gave him a showcase to display any improvements he'd made. If it weren't for the opportunity he had here, he wouldn't be going to Seattle on Tuesday.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I noticed the cowgirlz relwased a couple of players the skins were high on draft time Darrell Robertson (LB), and Marcus Dixon (DE).

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

This whole roster was set so that Vinnie can say that his entire draft class was a hit.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:09 PM

I think it was set because Vinny thinks it gives the 'Skins the best chance of winning. Vinnie will not keep his job if the Skins don't win. He has a lot more to gain from winning than any of us do.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe there is still this much discussion over punters. Again, repeat after me: FORST SUCKS!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey TE,
Check out the guy who posted regarding me at 10:01...

I suppose my feelings are going to be hurt, and I am going to quit posting.

Mean, tough guy...

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe there is still this much discussion over punters. Again, repeat after me: FORST SUCKS!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 10:13 PM

Because, special teams is the heart of the teams as I recall a Hall of Fame coach who coached here recently saying. And because Frost made an indirect but clear accusation that the FO robbed him; that calls for some analysis, I would think.

But even so, you don't think a punter can change a game by altering field position? By repeatedly forcing the other team to drive a lot of yards to even get a field goal? Glad you're not picking the team ...

Posted by: hailbg | August 30, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Seeing some want to continue talking about Redskin punters....

Mike Bragg

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Ray,

I'm just glad he came after you and not me. I would have to change my name and move to a different part of town if he were after me. I'd change my name from "talent evaluator" to "RedskinRay1" and I'd move next door to you.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, we have gotten rid of one inconsistent malcontent in Frost. Now we only need to get rid of the inconsistent malcontent sportswriter who runs that so-called "Insider" blog to make this a winning offseason.

Posted by: Mac | August 30, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

JLC: "I'd be the first to say that Frost had a shaky tenure here and the team needed to upgrade at punter.... But this was also by far the most consistent I had ever seen him perform in practices and games, and his leg looked bigger than ever. To me, he outproduced the kid."

Damn. You oughta give lessons in how to talk outa both sides of your mouth at once. See, this way, you get to be right no matter what happens. Truly, classy reporting.

Posted by: Durant Brooks | August 30, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

anyone pay any attention to how Calais Campbell played in the preseason? I honestly don't know, but I imagine that it was better than "not at all" which describes how Kelly played for the skins so far.
Also, I'm PO'd by the Richardson cut, he had man to man skills. Even though he got beat in some games, at least I have an opinion on the guy. Tyron was like Kelly only he had small traces of the playing field on his cleats.
3 reliable WRs going into the season, where have I heard that before...oh yeah last F-ing year. Nice work by the Front office.
Damn you Tom Cruise!!!

Posted by: KingME | August 30, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe there is still this much discussion over punters. Again, repeat after me: FORST SUCKS!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 10:13 PM

Because, special teams is the heart of the teams as I recall a Hall of Fame coach who coached here recently saying. And because Frost made an indirect but clear accusation that the FO robbed him; that calls for some analysis, I would think.

But even so, you don't think a punter can change a game by altering field position? By repeatedly forcing the other team to drive a lot of yards to even get a field goal? Glad you're not picking the team ...


Posted by: hailbg | August 30, 2008 10:20 PM

It wouldn't take me 330 comments and 12 hours to pick the punter that didn't suck for 3 years. Glad your not picking the team... it might be next year before we field one.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

anyone pay any attention to how Calais Campbell played in the preseason? I honestly don't know, but I imagine that it was better than "not at all" which describes how Kelly played for the skins so far.
Also, I'm PO'd by the Richardson cut, he had man to man skills. Even though he got beat in some games, at least I have an opinion on the guy. Tyron was like Kelly only he had small traces of the playing field on his cleats.
3 reliable WRs going into the season, where have I heard that before...oh yeah last F-ing year. Nice work by the Front office.
Damn you Tom Cruise!!!

Posted by: KingME | August 30, 2008 10:24 PM

Ah, something more worhty than Forst crying... Cialis was moved to tackle because he was too fat and slow to stay at end.

And I agree... Damn you Tom Cruise!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Because, special teams is the heart of the teams as I recall a Hall of Fame coach who coached here recently saying. And because Frost made an indirect but clear accusation that the FO robbed him; that calls for some analysis, I would think.

But even so, you don't think a punter can change a game by altering field position? By repeatedly forcing the other team to drive a lot of yards to even get a field goal? Glad you're not picking the team ...


Posted by: hailbg | August 30, 2008 10:20 PM

And oh by the way, SOME analysis is warrented, and I do think punters are very important. This is waaaaay beyond some analysis and I would rather hear something about who's available on waiver wires that might be able to contribute. But then again, it's not my blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Joe Theismann

Jeff Hayes was injured, Skins were playing Bears in Chicago. They needed a punter, Theismann had punted back in HS I think. So Theismann is forced to punt, and it was into the strong Chicago wind. Sadly, to compound things, Theismann shanked the punt.
Grand total I think was 1 yard.

Needless to say Beathard went out and found a punter to replace Hayes for the rest of the season.

Redskin Punters?
Jeff Hayes
Joe Theismann

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

scamp,

I just remembered why you favor Brooks -- you both went to that fine North Avenue Engineering Institute, didn't you?

As a Tech grad, I wouldn't even have invited Frost to camp. And I would have picked Brooks in the third round, not the sixth.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

It wouldn't take me 330 comments and 12 hours to pick the punter that didn't suck for 3 years. Glad your not picking the team... it might be next year before we field one.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 10:25 PM

Um, what? We're discussing what happened *after* the choice was made. There are a lot of people that post on these blogs over a certain period of time. The choice itself could have been made in as little as 5 minutes. So, you think that's all the time that should be devoted to discussing it? Do you want me to explain to you how a blog works?

FTR, it's "you're", not "your"

Posted by: hailbg | August 30, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

This organization is a disaster.

Posted by: Carl Williams | August 30, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Keeping a rookie punter over a terrible one doesn't save a draft class. If Kelly and Thomas never become contributing players and Brooks is a Pro Bowler its not like we'll look back at this draft class and say well, everyone else sucked but Brooks was the man.......that might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard a cut player say, Frost was cut because he sucks and he tends to suck the most at the worst times.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 30, 2008 6:17 PM

Except Frost is right. This is all about Cerrato trying to save face. He kept all 10 of his draft choices so it didn't seem like he made any bad decisions. Now, I think Frost should go because he's proven through the years that he isn't great. But it's true that he outperformed Brooks in camp. Cerrato is an awful GM, which, in turn, makes the FO one of the worst in the league.

Posted by: Colin | August 30, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

FTR, it's "you're", not "your"

Posted by: hailbg | August 30, 2008 10:31 PM

Can you please explain to me why this is true? I've never understood this. You pronounce them both the same, don't you? So why don't you just spell them the same?

Posted by: Melinda Yalom | August 30, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

FTR, it's "you're", not "your"

Posted by: hailbg | August 30, 2008 10:31 PM

We've got another blog editor. Did you get voted or appointed to that position nailbag. Oops, I used a period instead of a question mark. Don't tell on me.

scamp,

I just remembered why you favor Brooks -- you both went to that fine North Avenue Engineering Institute, didn't you?

As a Tech grad, I wouldn't even have invited Frost to camp. And I would have picked Brooks in the third round, not the sixth.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 10:30 PM

And true, I did attend that fine institution of highest learning. But I could have gone to UGA and still been able to see that Frost blew for 3 years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

ahhh yes, the punter Beathard claimed in mid season was Steve Cox.

Interesting Cox was available... he then kicked for us for a few years. He was our punter and Kickoff Kicker for the 87 team that crushed Denver in SB XXII three years later.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Wow what a low rent whining F'ing Puta.

Dude, YOU SUCKED all to often WHEN it REALLY COUNTED. Get a clue... you should have seen the writing on the wall when they drafted the BEST PUNTER IN THE COUNTRY to challenge your inconsistent punk ass. The KID never had to beat you (which IMO HE DID) all he had to do was be close.

And here is another little tidbit for your pea brain... your days were numbered the SECOND you blew up in Indianapolis and made Gibbs AND THE TEAM look bad. Danny grew up idolizing Gibbs(rightfully so, and irrespective of Part Two) and you embarrassed him and hurt the team because you didn't want to punt a kick off. Ass clown. Dude, you are the GD punter!!! for pete's sake... so STFU and punt...and you may want to work on deadening the ball at the 5-10 insted of kicking it into the endzone for touchback every time you get a chance. (Which BTW, The Kid DID DO when he had the chance). And of course Danny Smith took care of you and tried to make you the best he could a) Its HIS Job and b) He knows how to do HIS job. Conjole your temperamental ass into actually punting without throwing your helmet and costing us 15 yards.

And JLC... pan out a few field lengths and strategically look at the GD forest if you can. "He is the holder!!"... "I thought he beat him out" Myopic Idiot! Guess you are losing the last of your "sources" at Redskin Park.... hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Posted by: SkinsfaninManila | August 30, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Way late to the conversation (if that is the right word for what is being said). Few observations:

1)JLC suks. If the best he can do is post a conversation with Frost after the cuts are made, he needs to find another job.

2)Unless you are sure about who made the cuts, chose the 53 players, then stop your idiot posting. We all know that none of the posters on here we in the meeting making decisions.

3)Glad that Frost is gone.

4)Outside of McMullen and Tryon this is not a bad list of who was cut and who stayed. If Tryon was cut, he would have been replaced by another CB, not OL. Richardson will most likely clear waivers, so he gets on the PS.

5)Glad I will not be seeing Frost this season shanking for the Skins.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 30, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

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In the center ring, behold...

THE REDSKINS FRONT OFFICE!

AND ITS LEADER, THE BUGMAN!

Posted by: P.T. Barnum | August 30, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

FTR, it's "you're", not "your"

Posted by: hailbg | August 30, 2008 10:31 PM

Can you please explain to me why this is true? I've never understood this. You pronounce them both the same, don't you? So why don't you just spell them the same?

Posted by: Melinda Yalom | August 30, 2008 10:35 PM

Didn't want to get into this because of ignants like tramp1975 get offended when someone corrects them on something that they might not have known (god forbid), but "you're" is a contraction short for "you are", but "your" implies the possesive.

Sorry for the sidebar, now back to the football

Posted by: hailbg | August 30, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Didn't want to get into this because of ignants like tramp1975 get offended when someone corrects them on something that they might not have known (god forbid), but "you're" is a contraction short for "you are", but "your" implies the possesive.

Posted by: hailbg | August 30, 2008 10:40 PM

If this is true, when I text message should I type "U R" or "U'R"?

Thanks.

Posted by: Melinda Yalom | August 30, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Didn't want to get into this because of ignants like tramp1975 get offended when someone corrects them on something that they might not have known (god forbid), but "you're" is a contraction short for "you are", but "your" implies the possesive.

Sorry for the sidebar, now back to the football

Posted by: hailbg | August 30, 2008 10:40 PM


It's ignorant snailbag, you just lost your editor position.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Derrick Frost, to me, kicked his guts out. Super smart kid, a true Redskin. I am sad to see him go.

Posted by: Joe G. | August 30, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm calling it a night...

Sammy Baugh

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 30, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

News
Raiders cut Archuleta
Posted: August 30th, 2008 | NFL.com Staff | Tags: Oakland Raiders, roster cut-down

Adam Archuleta’s switch to outside linebacker was short lived as he was cut by the Raiders on Saturday. The Raiders were Archuleta’s fourth team. St. Louis selected Archuleta in the first round of the 2001 draft. He joined the Redskins in 2006, and was traded to the Bears in 2007, reuniting him with former St. Louis defensive coordinator Lovie Smith.

The other players released by the Raiders include C Jesse Boone, DB Darrick Brown, DE Greyson Gunheim, RB Adimchinobi Echemandu, DE Derrick Gray, WR Jonathan Holland, RB Luke Lawton, DB Nate Lyles, WR Chris McFoy, P Glenn Pakulak, RB Louis Rankin, RB Marcel Reece, G Brandon Rodd, DB Nick Sanchez, DT Josh Shaw, LB Shane Simmons, TE Darrell Strong, DB Marviel Underwood, DB Michael Waddell, and TE Chris Wagner.

The Raiders placed receive Arman Shields on injured reserve.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

JLC, you are the worst.

They have seen what Frost can be in the regular season, and it ain't good. They are gonna take a chance on a kid - with all they have to lose being horrible Frost.

JLC is the absolute worst.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato picks all the player via draft, FA or trade. Therefore if any of the cut players does well elsewhere he looks bad. Therefore there is probably no upside to keeping an inferior player just because they were drafted.

Posted by: Lifelong Fan | August 30, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey redskinray1,

Before you start swilling down some whisky and poppin open your can of spinach, try not to get too excited about your new strife against the forces that want you to "quit posting" ok hero ? Me stating what needed to be said on here because of all the bullsh*t you flood this blog with has now somehow turned into a "stop Ray from posting" mission ??
Don't flatter yourself, pussycat. Because the moment you do quit posting on your own free will, no one will ever notice, ever care or ever think twice about your lost presence on here just like yours truly the "Mean, tough guy" & everyone else on here. But by all means, don't ever give up Ray, don't let me beat you. It's Good vs. Evil. And of course Ray you are the Good Guy.

-Mean, tough guy

Posted by: Go Hang | August 30, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I have a small wee-wee and my girlfriend is a man.

Posted by: Tony Romo | August 30, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

I have a small wee-wee and my girlfriend is a man.

Posted by: Tony Romo | August 30, 2008 11:02 PM

You have a wee-wee?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

+++Sounds to me like certain media types just want to be "all negative, all the time", and they will flip flop sides on any issue if necessary to try to paint every move in a negative light.

"Give us Dirty Laundry", please, please, please!

Posted by: Jason | August 30, 2008 8:22 PM+++

Sounds to me like sometimes Redskin employees post as "objective" observers and bash the media, because they think it boosts their media bashing boss.

And by so doing THEY paint every Redskins move in a positive light.

"All she wants to do is dance"--also by don Henley

Posted by: Corkczar | August 30, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

To be fair, the JLaC was calling for "Forst's" head not too long ago. Now it was a bad idea.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

no way@@@

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Frost was the reason our offense sucked this preason, but at the same time we had to overcome him, but at the same time we need to get ready to play the Giants, but at the same time we know we now have to overcome Durant, but at the same time deal with HIS punting this season, but at the same time learn the entire offense. But at the same time.

Posted by: Jason Campbell | August 30, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

+++Sounds to me like certain media types just want to be "all negative, all the time", and they will flip flop sides on any issue if necessary to try to paint every move in a negative light.

"Give us Dirty Laundry", please, please, please!

Posted by: Jason | August 30, 2008 8:22 PM+++

Sounds to me like sometimes Redskin employees post as "objective" observers and bash the media, because they think it boosts their media bashing boss.

And by so doing THEY paint every Redskins move in a positive light.

"All she wants to do is dance"--also by don Henley

Posted by: Corkczar | August 30, 2008 11:06 PM

Let's call this like it is. JLC wants to spin every redskins move as something negative. Corkczar you can say whatever you want but that Frost article was nothing but negative. Should not have been written. Had nor journalistic value. Dude was a PUNTER! Everyone knew he was going to get cut once they drafted another punter. D. Smith had to have some say so on drafting Brooks. JLC is a bitter reporter. Period. No matter how YOU want to spin it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

"Called out by the punter"

And publicized by the Post.

This is where it looks like they're hunting for a story.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 30, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I would like to hear Blache/Grey/Smith on what they thought of Tryon... they put him in front of Richarson on the depth chart last week, so that's probably a consideration. But I suppose it's all the FO.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 30, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

+++Coaching and managing are two very different skill sets and people who are good at one aren't necessarily good at the other (Gibbs, Holmgren).

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 9:18 PM+++

And which particular skill set does Vinny Cerrato have? I'm totally serious.

The major constant (except for one year) under Snyder is Cerrato. No one minds a gifted GM picking the roster, but where in the name of all that's Holy do you get that impression about Cerrato?

And do you really think guys like (former) Coach Tuna and Coach Belichick, "play the roster handed them?" Puhlease.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 30, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 11:12 PM

Was me.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 30, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Did any body from RI get ahold of Horace Gant for his comments about getting released? No???

Boschetti? Broughton? McMullen? Mann? Mason? Wade?

Ohhhh...you mean it was just the whiney inconsistent punter who got a call and given the opportunity to immaturely take a cheap shot and deliver a great negative soundbite against the Blog owner's arch enemy??

Posted by: SkinsfaninManila | August 30, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Manilia, if anyone had a right to be mad it would be Mason. Dude played his heart out. Here is hoping he signs with the Skins PS!

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 30, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Frost wesn't the better punter. His net was worse. Was it a slanted to Brooks. Sure. If Frost wasn't shanking so many punts we wouldn't have had to use a 6th round pick on a punter. This isn't the Skins fault, it's his. He's had 3 years to get it right and hasn't. He chose to resign here. Why? No one else wanted him. He should be thanking the Skins for the opportunity to show case his ability. Some other team may want him. The only problem with these cuts was Tyron. No way this guy should still be on the team.

Posted by: bishopj36 | August 30, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

I hear that. At least he got the opportunity to showcase himself to the league in preseason... if not with our PSquad...maybe he will get a shot somewhere else. That is how it works Up Here, LOL.

Rock is a ST stud... and blog consensus seems to be that Mason while a gifted and speedy RUNNER..lacked or was underdeveloped in some of the other skills needed at RB?? It may have come down to a numbers crunch... the Redskins having to keep extra DL for example since James and Taylor are still iffy recovering from injuries.

I like looking at the raw footage of the Zorn schlub fests on redskins.c0m.... you get to hear the questions asked...and see how Zorn actually responds absent shlub spin. Something that caught my ear in real time and rings especially loud now in hindsight is that he praised McMullen when INVITED to do so by the questioner (who I believe was none our than JLC) ...but said he was slow. "He gets to the right spot and makes plays, no matter how long it takes..he does end up getting there" or something close to that.

It is very interesting to me on several levels to hear the question asked and then be able to SEE and Hear the actual response of the interviewees.

Posted by: SkinsfaninManila | August 30, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

just read mike wise's piece on this story...columnist style...i have to confess i love this team but snyder and his minions make me come ohh so close to not care about this team. and i do feel guilty for caring but i feel like i'd not be a real fan if i didn't. i guess the decision to not(!) care for this team would be a whole lot easier if they were winning cuz...

i have two kids when 4 years ago was the last time i bought them anything that says ***skins on it. i am more likely to go to nate's shop and buy off a t-shirt from there than give my money to snyder. he's a pathetic little man.

Posted by: dealer | August 31, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

hello all
your severely sporadic poster here and greetings
and love the dialogue and all but do think we need to draw the brakes here a bit. mason and mc man are tough calls but dont forget we .therefore could keep horton,fincher,hamilton,jackson,moore,geisenger,wilson etc.,
i think we leaned defense pretty heavy actually , while i admit to be concerned @ WR & CB, thats why we take our shot w/ mouthman tryon,and roll the dice w/ what seems to be a decent roster no?!!

SKINS 23
GIANTS 20

Posted by: mo tango | August 31, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dealer | August 31, 2008 12:03 AM

If I don't buy a Skins Jersey does that mean I am not a fan?? I know that some of that money goes to that player, but buying jerseys does not make me a fan.

Do I like the way that Dan has handled this team? No. But I am addicted to my skins. I have to root for them. Period. I do not blame the players for anything that Dan does, but I won't waste my emotions/energy on nit picking what Dan does or doesn't do.

I will cheer for my skins regardless of who is on the team. I hate to see them lose, but it could be worse. The Bidwills could own this team.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Any opportunity you get JLC you take a cheap shot against the FO even if you yourself have argued the opposite in the past. You are losing your professionalism. We aren't asking for much, please try to be just a little tiny bit objective.

This is what frost has done for years. He shows us a glimmer and then he returns to his usual inconsistent self.

Posted by: your so predictable | August 31, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

With the exception of Tryon i don't understand how anyone can criticize this draft. It is pretty much agreed across the board that we got outstanding value for our picks. If they don't pan out then fine, but instead of trading up or spending our 1st rounder foolishly we traded down, we got a handful of players, on the cheap, that were clearly best available pick. You get busts in the first round just as much as the second but they cost you twice as much. I will never criticize drafting the highest value pick on the board and that is what we did, if it doesn't work out then you really can't blame the FO this is guess work. Blame the FO for archuleta, lloyd, etc but this was a smart draft.

And people, i know the redskins haven't been using the tool called the draft in quite some time, so maybe we all forgot how it woks. We need to remember that this tool doesn't generally yield instant results. It requires patience, and development time.

Posted by: bad draft class? | August 31, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Bad Draft Class.. I agree with your comments. I look for the Redskins to continue to add young O and D line next year. Back to Tryon...cna't coach speed is correct...and if he can play teams fast and tackle...that may free up a more front line player to not have to be risked and tired out covering kicks... say Rocky Mac or Laron for example. Tryon should get better trying to cover 'Tana and ARE in practice everyday, too. Technique is teachable and coachable..speed isn't.

Posted by: SkinsfaninManila | August 31, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

WOW!!!! Just read the Wise article that runs tomorrow. I would like to say that this guy is a dik. But the reality is is that the WaPo is the problem. Wise, and JLC/JReid write an article and Blog thread about a punter that is not happy because he was cut and thought he was not treated fairly. This paper has no integrity at all. Two articles and a blog thread about a punter just to bash on the Skins FO? What a joke this paper has become!!!

I should take the time to go back to look up any articles that this paper wrote over the last two or three years to see how often they criticized Frost. If it was not evident to these "writers" that Frost was more of a hindrance than a help to the Redskins, then they know nothing about football. We are talking about a punter. Let's ask P. Manning about Punters.

And before all of you JLC "backers" tell me to go to another site, I come to this place because there are lots of Skins fan that I enjoy communicating with about the skins. I come here because I enjoy many of the "hamsters" on Here, not because the people that run this blog (minus Cindy who never seems to spin this place in a negative way). I stopped reading Wilbon after the ST murder and will now stop reading WaPo. I will visit here because not all of the posters are JLC backers, so don't tell me to move on to places that are run by Danny boy. I don't agree with Danny boy, but jeez, have some integrity WaPo.

Pathetic!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

first post, long time lingerer. do i have to?

there was no punting duel, if frosty really stepped up his game and brooks was a bust then maybe. frost got unsportsmanlike conduct penalties, as a kicker??? no, gotta go, specially when you're shaky.
tryon, sure he got beat, alot, but he's a rookie, that's what happens to rookies. apparently the coaches saw something in him (nasty speed) that they couldn't coach, and technicallities (position, reads, backpedalling, hip movements) that they could teach. give a rook a break.
the only surprise is mcmullin, and his not making it is a good sign that malcolm kelly will be better sooner than later. mcmullin could catch, finally if you remember his stints with the iggles, but his speed was slightly better than the turtles on the comcast commercials.
that's my two cents, i enjoy all your posts and think the jasons, cindy, and all your posts show tons of support. which is why skins fans are far better than that bs #6 ranking espnoclue gave us.

route and out.

Posted by: outroute | August 31, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

about a punter that is not happy because he was cut and thought he was not treated fairly.

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should have been treated unfairly.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

about a punter that is not happy because he was cut and thought he was not treated fairly.

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should have been treated unfairly.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 1:40 AM

Right the first time.

Jeez, this is why I am not a writer or editor. I know my limits. WaPo should know theirs.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

In the other thread I mentioned Ashley Lelie and Keary Colbert getting cut. Both WR's over 6ft. Should we go after either?

Also, Harrington and Simms are out there as QB's. Anyone think we should pick one and cut Collins?

Finally, Marcus Dixon was cut by Dallas. Should we put him on our practice squad?

Posted by: RITCA | August 31, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Wow! A lot of emotion regarding Frosty. Gotta to agree with Wise's take - that it was Brooks' job to lose but agree with the 'skins approach with saying it was an open competition. Perhaps if Frost doesn't nail a 26-yarder he stays.

I'd been saying since April that this entire draft class had a good chance of making the team, Jeez! What the hell?!! I'm saying right now that next year's entire draft class has a REALLY good chance to make the team. 4th round corners that don't show up in games should clear waivers. Didn't Dallas Sartz play better last year and not even make the practice squad?

I take it Devin Thomas will play a bunch on Thursday. Can't just dress three WRs with a west coast offense. Here's to two and three tight-end sets. Heavy jumbo we've missed you.

Now, I know the roster aint done. Who gets on the practice squad? Who gets picked off the street? And worst of all, who gets the news that they are indeed cut?

Posted by: bangkokben | August 31, 2008 5:18 AM | Report abuse

Today is one of the worst days in my life, and it started by drafting Cowboys with my first two picks *shudders*

but in regards to the cuts, I don't know what the reaction has been, but you have to rememeber, that who you keep, isn't necessarily about what they can do for you now, but what they may be able to do for you in the long term.

Posted by: kost52 | August 31, 2008 5:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm used to Jasno's Vinnie-hate, but what was Mike Wise thinking when he wrote this clunker? I've always thought he was one of the best on the sports page, but this piece is not going to raise his stature.

Frost has been one of the worst punters in the league. Look at the numbers. His name is at the bottom of the statistics, not the top.

When he was a free agent, no one but the Redskins offered him a contract. The best he could do was the one year that the Redskins offered him.

Now he was beaten by a rookie and the Post sports staff is lining up to spin his line that "it wasn't fair." Who will they champion next? Brandon Lloyd deserved another year? Adam Archuleta got a bad deal from Gregg Williams.

Man, if I get replaced at my job for incompetence, I want Mike Wise and the Post to do a story about how my boss only fired me to make himself look good.

This really strains credibility. If I wanted to criticize Vinnie it would be for something that he did wrong, not for something that he got right.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

The WaPost sports reporters are upset that they were not given the heads up on the cut list first. Jasno in particular. Everytime it seems that he gets scooped, which is often, he attacks the FO,th coaching staff with his sources and/or biased insights. It's his blog and he can use it to vent and put out his spin. An intelligent person will tealize that and take his bloging/reporting for what it is..not much.

Posted by: MJ | August 31, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

SUPER BOWL CHAMPION GIANT FAN IS BACK!! I couple of you hogs asked me to return for the regular season so here I am....sooooo, how do we feel about our Skins this year? I have not followed much but what I have seen this Campbell looks like a project....brilliant move with J. Taylor....losing Osi for the year really hurts our Defense...still feeling good about running Fassel out of town? Zorn= not ready to be head coach...very excited for Thursday night...!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Matt Mosley on ESPN in his blog is reporting the skins are looking at DEs and WRs that were cut. I think the 53 roster isn't set. If one signs a vet after the first game, I believe the new team doesn't have to pay the guaranteed bonus of that player. So the skins will get a jump on all other teams except the Gints. I think that is smart planning by the FO. I wouldn't be surprised if a CB comes in as well if he can help on teams (Delta O'Neal).

Posted by: MJ | August 31, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

FYI, Tryon was playing a ton of Man Up Schemes in preseason. Yes he looked liked crap, but this kid as 5'9" CB isn't likely to play against 6'6" Matt Jones in Man situations. He's a nickle, middle of the field guy.

Frosty is an idiot!! Another reason kickers look stupid b/c of his pathetic crying. The guy has never been clutch and keeping Brooks is ALL BC of POTENTIAL UPSIDE! WE've seen what Frost can do, now it's time for a change! Great move.

Posted by: CLEGG | August 31, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Also, I think there's a 24 hr freeze before you can put players on your practice squad. Look for McMullen, not sure if Mix is eligible for PracSquad, and a few of those linemen. Richardson will be there. So tonight ought to be a busy night for Blogs. This roster isn't set yet. Look for guys like Hamilton & Horton to be in trouble. Maybe Fincher, but replaced w/ another LB. 6 Safeties? I don't think so.

Posted by: CLEGG | August 31, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Thank God Marcus Mason and Anthony Mix are cut. I hope they make the practice squad, but those two were getting deified here and I just don't see why.

Otherwise, no one should be surprised by any of the names on that list.

Some really juicy names out there on the cut lists of other teams; especially on the Benglas: Willie Anderson and Deltha O'Neal? Both guys are older players, but at the right price they would be GREAT additons.

Some other names to check out would be LB Ryan Nece, CB Fernando Bryant, DT Dre Moore, OL Kynan Forney, among others.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 31, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Vinnie will not keep his job if the Skins don't win. He has a lot more to gain from winning than any of us do.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 30, 2008 10:13 PM

Talk about being a little naive. Vinnie has proven over the years to be a master in gaining and holding power within the organization. Sucking up to power is an art form in any organization and Vinnie is a diva in this. Snyder trusts Vinnie and probably no one else other than Joe Gibbs. In the rarefied air of Snyder/Cerrato coaches come and go, coordinators come and go, free agents come and go but you already know what the real constant is. Vinnie convinced Snyder that the West Coast offense was the ticket to success, so the search for head coach was a search for the man to put Vinnie's plan in place. The draft was was used to validate Vinnie's plan for the offense--why else would you not draft offensive and defensive linemen with your second round picks? So although the Skins may not have a winning record this year or even next year Vinnie will still be around. It is Zorn, Mitchell and Blache that will suffer the consequences.

Posted by: Dale | August 31, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

By the way, ESPN.com ranked the top NFL fan bases. They've got us ranked #6 after (in order) Pittsburgh, GB, Browns, Eagles, and Chiefs. Here's their explanation:

Redskins fans aren't as volatile as Eagles fans -- especially in swanky FedEx Field. It is, however, a very astute crowd that stays loyal through tough times. It's hard to tell who hates the Cowboys more between the Redskins and Eagles, although I'd lean toward the Eagles. The Redskins built a stadium at least 45 minutes from civilization -- yet fans never missed a beat. Owner Dan Snyder has plowed through coaches at an alarming rate, but the fan base has a remarkable amount of patience that has been passed down from generation to generation. Outside of Steelers and Packers fans, the Redskins travel better than anyone. And though politically incorrect, the feathers and face paint still reign.


This is why I hate ESPN...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 31, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

So although the Skins may not have a winning record this year or even next year Vinnie will still be around.

Posted by: Dale | August 31, 2008 9:00 AM

Snyder didn't get where he is on the backs of yes men. He has a record of firing incompetent managers. Snyder wants more than anything to hold the Lombardi trophy and Vinny knows he has to produce to retain Snyder's trust.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Looks like our old friend Antonio Pierce is at it again...

GIANTS WON’T EXTEND PIERCE
Posted by Mike Florio on August 31, 2008, 8:47 a.m.
One of the byproducts of winning a Super Bowl is that the players who contributed to the effort naturally conclude that they deserve a reward other than a big-ass ring.

For the Giants, defensive end Michael Strahan wanted more money, and receiver Plaxico Burress still wants more money.

Another guy who has been asking for a new deal is linebacker Antonio Pierce.

According to Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News, every time Pierce has asked for a raise, the team has declined.

Pierce says he’s merely hoping for something that indicates to him the team doesn’t view him as a guy who could be dumped at any time.

“I’ve been here four years and I sense that sometimes here,” Pierce said. “And it has nothing to do with financial [stuff]. I’m just talking about strictly as a football player, as a teammate, as an employee of the Giants. I don’t know. I just get that sense. It’s just the way people approach me. Obviously there are some comments.

“Are you one of the guys? Or are you just a guy?”

Pierce says “it does tick me off” that the Giants won’t even talk about an extension.

“It’s not about wanting to redo your contract, it’s about wanting to end your career somewhere,” Pierce said. “I do have three years on my contract, but I don’t plan on playing just three more years. That doesn’t mean you want to make $7 million or $8 million or some crazy pay raise. You want the security that you’re going to be here. I don’t want to play for no other team.

“And it ain’t about 50 cents or a million dollars. It’s about appreciation. It’s not always about ‘X’ amount of dollars. It’s about letting you know that I’m your guy.”

That’s fine, but if Pierce is hoping for an extension as evidence that he’s their guy and if the team is refusing to do it, we think he has his answer.

Like every other player in the league, the franchise went on for years before he arrived and the franchise will go on for years after he leaves. Only a handful of players in the NFL are truly indispensable, and Pierce simply isn’t one of them.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 31, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

OK guys, you all make great cases for why the Post's coverage is negative towards the 'Skins, etc, etc, etc.

But stop and look at this objectively - what was the one true competition in training camp? Was Mason challenging Betts or Portis to start at RB? Were the rookie receivers challenging Moss, or Randle El or heck, even Thrash, to start?

So what's the big news, big semi-surprise coming out of the cuts. Yup, you got it - Forst gets cut - A veteran who pretty much played even up with the rookie - so, as a journalist, on cut day, where's your story?

Right there

Posted by: John D in Houston | August 31, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Antonio Pierce was an undrafted free agent who signed with the Redskins. He played "sporadically" for three years and became a starter when Mike Barrow went down. He played great, but wouldn't take the Redskins' money and signed with the Giants for about 5% more.

Since he's been with the Giants he's had nothing but hate for the Redskins. Where would he be if the Redskins hadn't made him a player? Oh, and he had that embarrassing incident with his pit bull. Had the sick, underweight dog taken away from him because of neglect after it ran away.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

John D--

This is rare, but I have to part ways with you. My story would be all 10 picks making the roster. How many teams in the league had all ten make the roster? How many made the roster last year or the year before? This is a rare event, whereas weak punters get cut all the time.

And if I want to spin it anti-Vinnie, I'd focus on Tryon vs. Richardson, not Brooks v. Frost. Brooks clearly beat out Frost. It was close, but Brooks was the winner.

But, if I'm going with this Frost slant, I'm pointing out what a loser Frost is for coming out and slamming the team after they'd stuck with him for so long and he was consistently a bottom-of-the-league punter (look at the numbers) which no other team in the league would hire (he explored free agency but the best he could do was a one-year deal with the 'Skins).

So, my take is: wrong story, wrong conclusion, wrong spin. And how two Post writers can both be so misguided would, itself, be an interesting story.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I'd take A.P. back in a heartbeat. He's a tough player and more importantly, a diciplined player. Something that Rocky Mac doesn't look like he's going to be unless he straightens it out sooner rather than later. Rocky is starting to get LaVar fever and not playing his gap, hence big run plays on cut backs against Carolina.

Posted by: CLEGG | August 31, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Give me a break with "the Post is doing its job of being objective," baloney. No one here has a problem criticizing the team/organization/Snyder-Cerrato, etc. The problem comes when new and improved ways to twist things into criticism of the Redskins comes into play that are utterly invalid and reveal a deeply-held bias in a glaring light. Derek Frost? The Post is really reaching here. So stop with the worn-out 'speaking truth to power' mantra, please. It isn't brave, courageous 'journalism.' And I say this as someone who has zero faith in Vinny Cerrato and The Daniel for keeping him around as his court jester.

Two separate articles on Frost being upset push the threshold of credulity when one considers his performance here the past several years. Everyone - everyone - knew changes had to be made at punter. Brooks was the top punter coming out of college. Fact: Frost chose now - not earlier in 2005, 2006 and 2007 when the games actually counted - to elevate his game. His performance would have had to have been so incredible as to make keeping Brooks a complete waste. Brooks has upside; Frost is a (well) known commodity. Case closed, game over, go home.

The one person who really should be upset - the one issue the journalists should have been focusing on - is Billy McMullen. Write about why McMullen is out looking for a job, while on Thursday night when we go to a 4-wide set Clinton Portis will be lined up at wide receiver since our two 2nd-round receivers are injured/immature/out-of-shape. There's your story. Not some below-mediocre punter who ALL agreed (before this became an 'issue') needed to go. The Redskins finally use their draft picks after years of the Post blasting them for not doing so, and then the Post blasts them for keeping draft picks with upside. Aren't you supposed to be patient with rookies and not so quick to pull the trigger? Funny, I thought I heard that somewhere...

Posted by: Red Skinz | August 31, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Talent,

So true. The thing about the punter situation is the Front Office is banking on the upside of Brooks. Frost was crap and evidence of that when he couldn't get a deal in the offseason. If he wanted his job, he should've been head and shoulders above Brooks, but wasn't. It was basically an even competition through 3 Games. Each had 2 full games and 1 game split time.

Posted by: CLEGG | August 31, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

TE - good point, and it's been quite a few hours since I read the story - so I went back and read them - I still say for journalism, it was the more controversial story, which they are always going to write - though the all 10 making the squad is a good story.

You're right about the spin, though - I think I'm so used to it in every media that my mind filters it out sometimes...as I did there. Story - Forst does not make team - not story - does it reflect badly on FO

Posted by: John D in Houston | August 31, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

CLEGG--

Some people forget that the competition was a lot more than what we saw on TV. It mostly took place in practice where Danny Smith watched the two guys every day for six weeks. Plus he'd already had a few years watching Frost in real games. The fact that Brooks delivered in game situations validated what Smith had seen in practice.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

what a joke lets write about something relevant and not the damn punter. i guess jasno will have to fly to seattle to top off brooks now.

Posted by: theredskin | August 31, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I tell you if it wasn't for the bloggers I would be done with the Post. Wise story is laughable."He was inconsistent in Washington at times, but he often got the job done when it mattered." What F ing games has he been watching? Name one damn time Frost got the job done when it mattered. The fact is he would fold like a little btch when it mattered. The fact is if he got it done Gibbs wouldn't have brought people in during the season. The fact is they wouldn't drafted a punter if he was getting a done. What a joke the Post is becoming.

Posted by: jm220 | August 31, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

And to top it off the Post want to make a big deal about a punter. A punter doesn't get any respect on any team. He is lucky if 3 people talks with him. And the Post wants to make a big deal out of what a punter say. Please!!

Posted by: jm220 | August 31, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Number of punts out of bounds:
Frost: 0
Brooks: 0
Advantage: neither

Number of punts inside the 20:
Frost: 4 (26.7%)
Brooks: 5 (38.5%)
Advantage: Brooks

Number of punts downed by coverage team:
Frost: 1 (6.7%)
Brooks: 2 (15.4%)
Advantage: Brooks

Number of fair catch punts:
Frost: 1 (6.7%)
Brooks: 2 (15.4%)
Advantage: Brooks

Number of punts returned:
Frost: 10 (67%)
Brooks: 7 (54.0%)
Advantage: Brooks

Return yardage:
Frost: 11.9 ypr
Brooks: 5.23 ypr
Huge advantage: Brooks

Posted by: onebassplayer | August 31, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

TE,

Also, not to mention the number of shanks when it really mattered. Danny Smith watches nothing but "teams" film, and I'm sure it's smattered w/ great opportunities to pin a team deep in their own zone to close out a game, only to shank a 20 yd'er that gave the opposing team great field position and win the game w/ less than 2 min and no time outs.

Posted by: CLEGG | August 31, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

CLEGG, McMullen cannot be placed on the practice squad. Also, Vinny said early last week that both Horton and Moore had proven themselves and would make the team....why would Horton be in trouble???

Posted by: Lisa | August 31, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Snyder didn't get where he is on the backs of yes men. He has a record of firing incompetent managers. Snyder wants more than anything to hold the Lombardi trophy and Vinny knows he has to produce to retain Snyder's trust.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 9:07 AM

Snyder is loyal to those he trusts. Cerrato was reduced by Snyder during Shottenheimer's ill fated regime but was immediately reinstated afterwards. What is the constant presence during the regimes of Turner, Shottenheimer, The Ball Coach and Gibbs? Yep, you are right if you guessed that the answer is Cerrato hanging around in the corporate shadows. The psychology of Snyder is such that he can fire managers, even competent ones, if there is dissension. Shottenheimer was not a yes man, neither would Gregg Williams have been a yes man. My guess is that Zorn is a yes man because he owes his rapid ascent to the head coaching ranks to the largesse of Snyder/Cerrato. It is just the way politics have been played through the ages.

And by the way, Snyder may have run his media company by being creative, dynamic, ruthless or whatever, I just don't know. But I think that you will find quite a few "yes" men in that organization as well.

Posted by: Dale | August 31, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: onebassplayer | August 31, 2008 10:01 AM

Great work on the stats. How were you able to get those stats to actually show who won the punting competition while the post was not able to? Guess they did not have the right sources.

That was my last word on this dumb punting non-story.

So, who do you guys think we will be picking up? Brownwood had some good names on his post above. The cuts point to us picking up another receiver. Hopefully not a trade that does not work out for us.

Especially if this FO likes the way they draft (keeping all 10), they need to keep their future draft picks.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 31, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

i find it moronic that this much attention is given to a crappy punter who was tendered the vet min, F derrick frost, he won't be in league much longer. if brooks sucks we can get sauerballs or something who the F cares?? all this spin is la canfora trying to spin one of his moronic predictions (like heyer not being NFL material) and trying to make up for not getting the scoop on the three cuts yesterday. An intern from a HS paper can do a better job than him.

Posted by: Andy from baltimore | August 31, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

the heck with the punter nonsense. How did they keep #20? He was repeatedly burned on Thursday. He looks like a slowest midget on record.

Posted by: CW | August 31, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

"Brooks clearly beat out Frost."

No he didn't, Frost clearly beat out the rookie. But we all knew when they drafted Brooks this was going to happen because Frost was very inconsistent over the last three years here.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | August 31, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Snyder is loyal to those he trusts.

Posted by: Dale | August 31, 2008 10:20 AM

I agree, and I think that's a good thing, don't you?

I guess where we part company is on whether Snyder will turn a blind eye, out of loyalty, if Vinny is not doing a good job. I think loyalty will give Vinny the "benefit of the doubt" for a longer time than Schottenheimer had it, but I think Snyder would dump Vinny the minute he concludes that Vinny is incapable of delivering the Lombardi trophy.

Many who post up here see it as obvious that Vinny is incompetent, but I am not among them. I think he still deserves a fair trial. Then we'll lynch him.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"and became a starter when Mike Barrow went down."

When was Mike Barrow ever up?

Posted by: isnadd | August 31, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"Sucking up to power is an art form in any organization and Vinnie is a diva in this."

Vinny will never be fired, people need to get used to this fact, he's the owners best friend. Again, blame Snyder for your Redskin woes. He still has no clue, he went from trying to buy all of the players up to now only allowing drafted ones on the team. The only consistent is he is still getting bad advice from people he puts in charge.

What gives?

Snyder is an enigma that will never get it right as long as he owns the Redskins.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | August 31, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The incumbent punter getting cut? Not a big story. The punter calling all the reporters on his speed dial and blasting the decision process? A little more of a story. This will die down in about one newsday cycle. I believe that carrying two second round draft picks that can not contribute in a meaningful way for a good part of the season is a meatier and nuanced story. Mike Wise gets the easy quotes in his column with Frost's version--the no sweat, no digging, emotional fluff kind of journalism.

The true analytical posts will come during the season when the aging offensive line gets the quarterback knocked out. That story will have a include a timeline dating back to draft day in April.

Posted by: Dale | August 31, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

++Sucking up to power is an art form in any organization and Vinnie is a diva in this.--DALE++++


Well said. Survival is Vinny's dominant skill set.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 31, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

The true analytical posts will come during the season when the aging offensive line gets the quarterback knocked out. That story will have a include a timeline dating back to draft day in April.

Posted by: Dale | August 31, 2008 10:41 AM

And what will the story say? They've added two new offensive linemen: Chad Rinehart through the draft and Geisinger as a free agent. Heyer's a second year man. How many OL's do you think they should add each year?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Loyalty over competence is not good for any organization. The famous quote "You've down a heckuva good job, Brownie," can be applied as example one in my argument. The Cerrato/Snyder bond is one of loyalty over competence. Snyder needs a confidant and pays a heavy price for having Cerrato as his chosen one.

Posted by: Dale | August 31, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

+++It's ignorant snailbag, you just lost your editor position.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 10:45 PM+++

And a comma comes after "ignorant," so you just lost yours.

You DO understand that such nitpicking on my part would be silly on a blog, save for the fact that you violated a critical rule--when making a correction, try not to mess up yourself.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 31, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Loyalty over competence is not good for any organization. The famous quote "You've down a heckuva good job, Brownie," can be applied as example one in my argument.

Posted by: Dale | August 31, 2008 10:51 AM

Your principle is correct, and your example is perfect: Bush fired Brownie. Snyder's goal in life is the Lombardi trophy. If Vinny can't deliver, he'll find someone else who he thinks can.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I agree with earlier posts that the punter debate is a non-issue. The bigger issue might be keeping Kelly on the 53 man roster as opposed to IR if Zorn was overruled but if it's true that the skins are combing the waiver wire for WR's then they may not have been that crazy about the WR's they cut to begin with and Kelly may be headed to IR in the near future. I hope that kid can get healthy, if not this year then pull a Robert Meachem and come back strong next year, Just don't be a bust. I admit I was excited when they drafted him since his size, hands and blocking ability sounded like a good prospect. Hate to see him not make it due to a bad knee.

Posted by: skinswest | August 31, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

And what will the story say? They've added two new offensive linemen: Chad Rinehart through the draft and Geisinger as a free agent. Heyer's a second year man. How many OL's do you think they should add each year?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 10:49 AM

Heyer proved to me in the Seattle game that he will get your quarterback killed. Jansen has been barely adequate the last few years even when healthy. I do not know just how good Rhinehart will be and I believe that Geisenger is an interior lineman. Don't you think that a second round pick should have been used on rebuilding the offensive tackle position. Really, did we need another tight end or second WR to be chosen in the second round?
It occurs to me that we already have a very good tight end and two wide receivers that we can not cut due to contracts.

Posted by: Dale | August 31, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

JReid & JLC focused heavily on the punting competition simply because that was the only major news coming out of camp other than the transition of the offense from Air Coryell to WCO. As my man onebassplayer provided with the stats, Brooks won the competition, although it may not have been by much. Go back and look at the tape of the preseason games. Frost outpunted the coverage dang near every time. You don't see the same thing with Brooks' punts. When it comes down to it, when it comes to the field position battle during games, the Skins went with the guy who gave them an advantage.

As for the rest of the roster, Tryon should've been cut and placed on the practice squad, but since he made the team, he will probably be the 5th CB and inactive most games as he a liability in coverage. Fincher made the roster simply because the Skins were thin at LB. He played like his livelihood was on the line against JAX (well, it was to a certain degree) and produced. He may be one of the first ones to go should the team decide to sign a FA. They may look at a veteran like Colvin who played under Blache in Chicago. Same thing with Hamilton, he was added to the roster for depth due to the recent injury to Kareem Moore. He also may be one of the first players let go for the team to sign a FA or promote someone like Mix from the practice squad.

I'm sure this team isn't done making moves and we will see what our practice squad looks like in the next few hours.

Posted by: JinxMan | August 31, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

+++Let's call this like it is. JLC wants to spin every redskins move as something negative. Corkczar you can say whatever you want but that Frost article was nothing but negative. Should not have been written. Had nor journalistic value. Dude was a PUNTER! Everyone knew he was going to get cut once they drafted another punter. D. Smith had to have some say so on drafting Brooks. JLC is a bitter reporter. Period. No matter how YOU want to spin it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 11:12 PM+++

"Bitter reporter"? Hie thyself to the Department of Redundancy Department. Of course he's a bitter reporter. 99% of the best reporters are bitter. (99% of the bad ones, too.)

But that doesn't change the fact that a slew of "anons" like yourself come on here specifically ripping JLC and the Post. (Regular posters, too. "Cut" coverage has been lame.)

All this doesn't change the fact that the Redskins (and many other NFL Teams) have been attempting to all but eliminate mainstream media access to their product and replace it with Flack Factories like Redskins.com. Nothing wrong with Redskins.com as a service. It gets the rosters right, for instance, And it's nice to be able to see the pressers. But it ain't journalism, it's public relations.

Oh, and what makes reporters bitter? Lots of stuff, but near the top of the list are people to try to stop them from doing their job.

What I find ridiculous is that a Marketing "Genius" like Snyder sabotages his image by the sort of secrecy and media restrictions that would make Nixon or Bush proud.

Maybe if Snyder embraced the media, he'd be popular like Jerruh Jones or the Rooneys. And maybe his teams wouldn't end up having to play three of their first five games on the road against NFC East opponents.

Instead of griping about the Post, how about you guys at redskins.com campaigning against Dallas getting the equivalent of a second "bye week" late in the year EVERY year. Each year they get a 10 day layoff after their annual HOME Thanksgiving day game. Oh and hey get Pacman back. And get the "America's Team" treatment again on HBO.

Dallas's "priviledged treatment is something the Post and the Redskins and the fans can agree on.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 31, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

+++Yeah.

THAT's why oil prices need to come down--because Sean "Diddy" Combs is being forced to fly commercial.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 30, 2008 9:21 PM+++

Anon--

You should have taken Credit for THAT jewel.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 31, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Maybe if Snyder embraced the media, he'd be popular like Jerruh Jones or the Rooneys. And maybe his teams wouldn't end up having to play three of their first five games on the road against NFC East opponents.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 31, 2008 11:15 AM

This goes both ways as most relationships. If the Post reports would stop with all the negative spin, maybe their relationship at the park improves and they will be able to provide the breaking news and insight this blog should have. With most other teams, cuts were reported in the local media first and then provided by other news sources. This is what I hope the Post will one day be.

Posted by: MJ | August 31, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Hey Vinny's mom my dad would like to show you a good time. He just got his Cialis prescription filled and says his Italian sausage has never felt better. Just hold on to your wlaker honey and he show you a good time!

Nothing better than hearing the Deadskin fans and the team whine and b*tch like a drag queen who just put a run in his $50 a pntyhose. The Cowboys get all the breaks.
Whine, whine, whine. They still havent one a playof game.

Your owner is the worst in professional sports, Vinny has to have help going to the bathroom or he cant find his zipper
and your head coach aint ready for prime time.

2-14 is best you can hope for, And the worst part is you all know Vinny will screw up having the first pick overall.
Vinny needs to go back to doing what he does best being a men's room attendant in a South Beach! MR Tony says he was the best ever at handing out towels and lotion.

Posted by: The Bully Who beat Vinny up in 6th grade | August 31, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Instead of griping about the Post, how about you guys at redskins.com campaigning against Dallas getting the equivalent of a second "bye week" late in the year EVERY year. Each year they get a 10 day layoff after their annual HOME Thanksgiving day game. Oh and hey get Pacman back. And get the "America's Team" treatment again on HBO.

Dallas's "priviledged treatment is something the Post and the Redskins and the fans can agree on.


Posted by: Corkczar | August 31, 2008 11:15 AM

Or relish in the fact that Dallas is burdened with at least one short week every year?

Every team plays eight home regular season games.

Pacman served a 17-month suspension. Has he been convicted of anything?

And now the NFL controls HBO?

I don't expect this kind of weak sauce out of you, Corkczar.

Posted by: SMACK | August 31, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that the Redskins cut punter Derrick Frost yesterday.

Did I beat Jasno to the story?

Posted by: isnadd | August 31, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

again i commend JLC on the work he did on this story. that is called reporting. again you're shooting the messenger. he's just reporting.

Posted by: dealer | August 31, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"I don't expect this kind of weak sauce out of you, Corkczar."


Don't do that. You wouldn't like Cork when he's angry. I think he's turning green as we speak.

Posted by: isnadd | August 31, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Dealer, that b.s. Jason LaCantreporta is the National Inquirer of sports media. Trust me, I have a lot of friends in the inside circles that tell me, well...actually I just subscribe to DirecTV Sunday ticket but I do watch a lot of games on Sundays, Mondays, and sometimes on Thursdays.

Posted by: isnadd | August 31, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

+++It's ignorant snailbag, you just lost your editor position.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 10:45 PM+++

And a comma comes after "ignorant," so you just lost yours.

You DO understand that such nitpicking on my part would be silly on a blog, save for the fact that you violated a critical rule--when making a correction, try not to mess up yourself.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 31, 2008 10:52 AM

Hey corky, you obviously missed the whole dialogue. The person I was talking to appointed himself blog editor in the first place, and messed up himself. So my .02, if you don't know what's going on, first try to figure it out before injecting your .02.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 31, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Snyder didn't get where he is on the backs of yes men.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 31, 2008 9:07 AM

But that's what Vinny is. And we have given Cerrato a chance. He's been hanging around for years and years now. What exactly has he contributed?

Posted by: Colin | August 31, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

+++It's ignorant snailbag, you just lost your editor position.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2008 10:45 PM+++

And a comma comes after "ignorant," so you just lost yours.

You DO understand that such nitpicking on my part would be silly on a blog, save for the fact that you violated a critical rule--when making a correction, try not to mess up yourself.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 31, 2008 10:52 AM


Hey Corky, why don't you go back and read the whole dialogue. That was kind of the point wasn't it? The man appointed himself blog editor and f'ed it up himself. Get the whole story before adding your .02.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 31, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

* Sorry to repost a similar post but it looked like loseable type had struck again and I didn't copy*

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 31, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975 = big heart but not very smart

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975, sorry that above anonymous was me.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

beef F'ing beep.

Posted by: The F Guy | August 31, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

me

Posted by: Beep Beep | August 31, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey Vinny's mom my dad would like to show you a good time. He just got his Cialis prescription filled and says his Italian sausage has never felt better. Just hold on to your wlaker honey and he show you a good time!

Nothing better than hearing the Deadskin fans and the team whine and b*tch like a drag queen who just put a run in his $50 a pntyhose. The Cowboys get all the breaks.
Whine, whine, whine. They still havent one a playof game.

Your owner is the worst in professional sports, Vinny has to have help going to the bathroom or he cant find his zipper
and your head coach aint ready for prime time.

2-14 is best you can hope for, And the worst part is you all know Vinny will screw up having the first pick overall.
Vinny needs to go back to doing what he does best being a men's room attendant in a South Beach! MR Tony says he was the best ever at handing out towels and lotion.

Posted by: The Bully Who beat Vinny up in 6th grade | August 31, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

jason la canfora, i have a feeling that you manipulated derrick frost into saying such critical things about front office managerial decisions...u hate vinny cerato so much that you have to resort to getting quotes from a cut punter?? come on dude, this is pitiful...derrick frost sucked, he shanked punts at the worst of times, if joe gibbs didnt retire, he would have been cut months ago...good riddance derrick frost, you can join the ranks of matt turk now...think about this skins fans, we dont have to worry about a punter for like 15 years now! no if we can beef up our o and d lines, then we are in business...overall point: jason la canfora will try to make any lead into an oppurtunity to rip vinny cerrato, i am sorry jason, but it looks like cerato and snyder are not going anywhere, be critical of deciions,ye-lay out all the pros and cons-that is your job, but blatantly trying to stir doubt and misconception in the fan base over some bull like cutting a subpar punter? what good does that do?

Posted by: bmac | August 31, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

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