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Devin Thomas and Mike Shanahan: A bad fit

Many Insider readers have emailed me since Saturday seeking answers about Coach Mike Shanahan's decision to release third-year wide receiver Devin Thomas.

After Sunday's 16-13 victory in overtime against the Green Bay Packers, and Shanahan was surprisingly candid in his comments that, in his opinion, Thomas had failed "to commit to being a pro."

But Shanahan did not elaborate on how Thomas had performed poorly in conducting himself as a pro, so we decided to make a few calls and send a few texts to people in the organization last night and early this morning.

Concerned about reports that the Redskins were aggressively trying to trade him, Thomas on Thursday requested a meeting with Shanahan, two people familiar with the situation said. In an approximately 15-minute meeting, Thomas again asked Shanahan what he needed to do to gain Shanahan's trust and have a role on offense, the team sources said.

Shanahan and Thomas supposedly had a productive exchange, and Thomas told people he left the meeting believing that Shanahan had not given up on him and he still had a chance for a career with the Redskins. But Shanahan released Thomas Saturday after the team's walk-through in preparation to face Green Bay.

To be sure, Thomas possesses talent. He often made plays in practice after Shanahan took control of the football operation, and several Redskins players said Thomas could have helped the Redskins as a wideout.

So what happened?

The demonstrative Thomas and Shanahan were simply a bad fit from the start. At times during practice, Shanahan admonished Thomas for thumping his chest after a big play or boasting to defensive backs he beat, said multiple people who observed them interact during practice throughout the offseason and preseason.

Shanahan made it clear to Thomas he is not a big fan of individual celebrations, but Thomas has been flashy since he played youth football. Thomas had a "showtime" mentality when he was a standout at Michigan State, and that approach gave him confidence and helped him become the 34th overall pick in the 2008 draft.

In addition to his on-field displays of emotion, Thomas also began modeling and acting careers on the side. Although Thomas insisted football would remain his focus, and he worked hard in the offseason and reported to training camp in outstanding shape, modeling and acting careers probably did not help him with Shanahan, the sources said.

When Shanahan led the Denver Broncos, he released high-profile wide receivers Anthony Miller and Mike Pritchard - former first-round draft picks - in favor of unheralded wideouts Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey. Both players had important roles in helping Denver win consecutive Super Bowl titles under Shanahan.

It's a story Shanahan enjoys telling, at least in part because it shows everyone on the roster that draft status and supposed ability means nothing to him. It's all about how Shanahan views you.

Shanahan prefers hard-working, unheralded guys who only draw attention to themselves as part of the team's success, people in the organization said. Lorenzo Alexander, Anthony Armstrong and Brandon Banks are the type of players who could have long, successful careers with the new regime.

Considering the types of players Shanahan prefers and Thomas's personality and outside interests, it's actually surprising Thomas lasted on the roster as long as he did.

By Jason Reid  | October 11, 2010; 12:45 PM ET
Categories:  Devin Thomas  
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Makes sense to me. Good post, Reid.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | October 11, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Thomas had a "showtime" mentality when he was a standout at Michigan State, and that approach gave him confidence and helped him become the 34th overall pick in the 2008 draft.
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You mean that one good year he had, ever?

College career

Thomas attended Coffeyville Community College, where he redshirted in 2004 and played as a freshman in 2005. As a sophomore at Michigan State he had only six catches. Under head coach Mark Dantonio, Thomas played well his junior year with 79 catches, a school record, for 1,260 yards, and eight touchdowns. Thomas decided to forgo his senior year at Michigan State and declare himself eligibile for the 2008 draft.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 11, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Devon Thomas has officially replaced Jason Campbell as the player J Reid likes too much personally to objectively report on.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | October 11, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse


reid, your threads are sooooo repetitive. give it up to someone that's hungry and more creative. you're nothing more than a gossip columnist.

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Everyone's talking about where DT might end up or who might pick him up.

Here's the deal people:

The Redskins have arguably the worst WR corps in the entire league, collectively. So, which other team is in such bad shape at that position that they'd want the guy?

That said, my money is on the Raaaidas picking him up if he get's a sniff at all.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse


again, GB made a huge mistake in not challenging the ruling on the field of no TD. we stop them on 4th down for no points on what was definitely a TD if reviewed.

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

If this is the real reason I think it is really stupid to cut the guy because he had outside interest

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or does J Reid's tone always have a negative approach? I get the feeling he wants Shannahan and the Skins to fail.

As far as D Thomas, I say good riddance. If he's not a team first player then good luck somewhere else.

Now, can M Kelly please pan out for us next year. My fingers are crossed.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I don't understand. is there a problem with a coach expecting his players to be professional and earn their paycheck. I think the constant celebrations of every tackle, block and score are foolish. Ask J. Witten and M. Colombo how it worked out for them yesterday.

Posted by: cowbell | October 11, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

more cowbell

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 11, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Cummon JReid, reporter the real reason. Thomas has a learning disability to put it nicely. He just doesn't learn things quickly.

He was redshirted, with his talent, at a JUCO.

He was played in a couple of games at Mich St, with his talent, in his 1st year there.

He didn't play here his 1st year with Zorn.

He didn't play here this year.

WHY? Because he takes a really long time to learn an offense. When he does, whew, he is talented. But in all of his playing situations he just can't get it done.

How do you overcome that? By "being a Pro". Making a larger commitment to overcoming the learning obstacles and that takes an investment in time, one that he didn't make. Nice guy? sure. Funny? sure. Committed to being an NFL player? not at this time.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | October 11, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing likely has more to do with developing Armstrong and surrounding him with the right people. Galloway's best days are behind him, but he's likely a much better influence. How long did it take DT to put up the numbers Armstrong put up yesterday? Talk is cheap and DT has never had a problem talking, but only one time in 2+ seasons could he back it up.

Posted by: EShine | October 11, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

So instead of studying the playbook he continued modeling off the field and he didn't get the hint. Shanny said "I don't have time for this" and moved on.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 11, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

because shanaKLAN does not like modeling so what? this guy is a moron for not putting d. thomas on the field the receiving corps on this team other than moss and armstrong is weak(banks,austin have potential)but galloway and williams have done NOTHING, all the stupid LIES about not being able to run routes he was not a team player lazy etc. etc. is B.S.! this dweeb wants a team full of yes men I am not for all of the showing off foolishment either pull the guy over tell him to cut the nonsense and put him on the field to help the team win, thomas returned kick-offs this season and did a good job I don't remember seeing any showing off after any return at all.

Posted by: wathu19 | October 11, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I see as the offseason roster priorities:

OG (good ones usually avail. in Rd 2 or 3)
C (see OG)
NT (could see going here in Rd 1)
WR (could see going here in Rd 1 or 2)
FS (see below)
OLB (Carter = good player, bad fit)
CB (quality young nickel with upside)

For free safety, I'd rather look to free agency than the draft unless a Sean Taylor prototype is available. Experience is a premium there.

I know there is a lot of talk about drafting the future QB, but I can't see us using a 1 or 2 this year on a QB given the number of other holes. Extend McNabb a few years and draft the QB in 2012.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | October 11, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mhaslup1 | October 11, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

It's a story Shanahan enjoys telling, at least in part because it shows everyone on the roster that draft status and supposed ability means nothing to him. It's all about how Shanahan views you.

By Jason Reid | October 11, 2010; 12:45 PM ET


OR...it's about substance over style. Earning your keep because of production, not because of draft status or combine numbers. Demonstrating the desire to be a great football player because it's who you are and what you do, not because of what football can do for you off the field.

So basically, it's less about Shanahan's ego and more about putting together a group of individuals that play as a team instead of just throwing 11 individuals out on the field in the same uniform.

You know who else "prefers hard-working, unheralded guys who only draw attention to themselves as part of the team's success"? Joe Gibbs. Take a minute and let that marinate.

I swear, Reid is starting to be every bit the hater that JLC is/was...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I am not for all of the showing off foolishment either

Posted by: wathu19 | October 11, 2010 1:26 PM

nice

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 11, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

The frustrating part is that Thomas could have helped us. And he will help whoever picks him up. If anyone could coach someone up I thought it would have been Shanny.

Oh, and I was wrong to dispair yesterday after GB scored it's TD.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 11, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I was wrong to dispair yesterday after GB scored it's TD.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 11, 2010 1:29 PM

That was a pretty discouraging moment though.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 11, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

From the start of the Snyder era of the Redskins up to the Allen/Shanny era beginning, being released from the Redskins was often the chance to shine and to show the Redskins what a mistake they made.

But when this staff removes a player, is there much hope for success elsewhere? Over in Oakland, Jason Campbell and his butt munch Rock Cartright, had their one game of the season. That's how they played - good enough to win, but you always know they are one whine away from why they don't play well the rest of the season.

Devin Thomas is finding the field of fools who won't demand he pay them to play quite limited this year. Even the Rams, who need a wide receiver are more likely to try to get Jerry Rice out of retirement at age 90 than they would to take a chance on the Model and Dancer, DT.

Of course there is the chance that the Leigh Torrance Limpies could desire a wide receiver with whom Colt Brennan can make a few passes.

Shanny isn't perfect, but in the World of Redskin Nation, we'll take wrong some of the time over losing all the time any day.

Posted by: laserwizard | October 11, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The frustrating part is that Thomas could have helped us. And he will help whoever picks him up. If anyone could coach someone up I thought it would have been Shanny.

Oh, and I was wrong to dispair yesterday after GB scored it's TD.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 11, 2010 1:29 PM |

Really how could he have helped us, and teams aren't exactly lining up to pick him up.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 11, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

If this is the real reason I think it is really stupid to cut the guy because he had outside interest

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 1:12 PM

+1. There's got to be more to it. This sounds like the Fred Davis giggling during meetings bs last year.

Posted by: skinswest | October 11, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Johnny Unitas once said "Talk is cheap.... Let's go play."

As a team they did not quit yesterday, all you Shanahaters at least wait until mid season to call for his head.

Posted by: cowbell | October 11, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Our fault for drafting him. People tend to forget that he failed his first conditioning test w the team, for a supposed athlete of his caliber that's not a good start, I questioned the dedication after that.

Really not that crazy of a story though, wow the skins drafted another WR bust...

Posted by: Stu27 | October 11, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

If Shanahan doesn't like demonstrative, chest-thumping players, why is Landry on the team? He's the ultimate diva; he'll get burned on a deep pass, but as long as he gets a big hit, he starts with the theatrics. That's why I doubt it's about a player showing off on the field.

Posted by: keithward64 | October 11, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I swear, Reid is starting to be every bit the hater that JLC is/was...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 1:28 PM

Yeah, but without as much substance. This thing reads like what people are posting on RI.

This quote tells it all "At times during practice, Shanahan admonished Thomas for thumping his chest after a big play or boasting to defensive backs he beat, said multiple people who observed them interact during practice throughout the offseason and preseason." If DT has a half a brain in his head it wouldn't say "at times" but "once." Damned fool can't be coached.

The fact that DT11 thought he had a productive meeting with Shanahan on Thursday before being cut on Saturday shows how little comprehension DT has.

You can be sure that it was a personality clash, because once the word got out that the Redskins were tired of DT11, 31 other general managers called and offered to trade picks or players to get DT on their squad. Bruce Allen was crazy for not taking one of those offers.


Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

All you whiny b_tches shut the F up DT is gone because he couldn't play, the team is 3-2 and 2-0 in the division they are 1000 times better then they were the last 2 years and this is what you want to talk about.

Shanny is making this a team of hard nosed players who care about team first self second, if you don't like that go root for the Cowfags they love guys that are all about me.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 11, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Over on some other Post Blogs I've been reading lots of comments by a poster whose name rhymes with Barno1 who is doing nothing but slobbering all over Devin Thomas' cock-n-balls.

This just has to be devastating to him to see his boyfriend cut by the 'Skins and deemed too unprofessional.

Oh, and I'm going to poop right now.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 11, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Thomas couldn't have helped us because he was never going to get on the field. At this point it doesn't matter if it is his fault or Shanahan's. The team is banged up, they need the roster spot. End of story.

Posted by: curtmcgurt | October 11, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I know there is a lot of talk about drafting the future QB, but I can't see us using a 1 or 2 this year on a QB given the number of other holes. Extend McNabb a few years and draft the QB in 2012.


Posted by: mhaslup1 | October 11, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't know. If there is a great QB prospect there then I think we should take him. I don't think we should go into the draft already decided on whether or not we take one. I think we should keep our options open.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 11, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"There's got to be more to it. This sounds like the Fred Davis giggling during meetings bs last year.

Posted by: skinswest"

Yea but Fred Davis posted 48 receptions for 509 yards and 6 TDs in 8 starts as a tight end.

Devin Thomas had 11 starts, yet only posted 25 receptions for 325 yards and 3 TDs in the exact same offense, and this as a WR.

Anthony Armstrong is a 3rd WR, hasn't started a game, and is on pace to smoke Devin Thomas' career highs which were set last season.

It's unfortunate to see it end up this way, but Thomas has done nothing to warrant leeway with regards to earning a spot on the field.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm right there with ya flounder.....

Posted by: cowbell | October 11, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I just wish McNabb could be accurate for three quarters instead of just one. How many of these "heart stoppers" can a man take? These are games we would have lost the last two years, though, so at least this team has heart!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 11, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

As bad as this team has been over the years I can't believe anyone is questioning ANY roster move. They didn't win with these guys, so who cares if they continue to lose with their replacements?

BTW - they are winning. It's not pretty, but they are playing their butts off for him.

Posted by: EShine | October 11, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

In an alternate universe, Devin Thomas was immediately signed by the NFL team for which Vinny now serves as general manager.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 11, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

It seems Shanny did this for DT11's own good. DT11 will be a good starter for someone somewhere.

So....Should the 1st question be What did Shanny think about Armstrong's Duggy/DTown Shake after the TD. It was a 12 out of 10.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 11, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan made it clear to Thomas he is not a big fan of individual celebrations, but Thomas has been flashy since he played youth football.


That might be true, but the broncos did somehow put up with a tight end with a big mouth and a running back who saluted after each touchdown.

It's odd to me that the guy who gave Maurice Clarett and chance couldn't do it for Devin Thomas.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

It's odd to me that the guy who gave Maurice Clarett and chance couldn't do it for Devin Thomas.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 1:53 PM

You can't get past this, can you Moe? He gave DT a lot of chances. DT didn't take advantage of them.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Bill Romanowski

Posted by: Stu27 | October 11, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Moe, you think Shanahan gave Devin Thomas less of a chance by than he gave Maurice Clarett? Wasn't Clarett cut before the regular season started?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 11, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"It's odd to me that the guy who gave Maurice Clarett and chance couldn't do it for Devin Thomas.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

Moe, Clarett was his 3rd round pick and was cut in preseason as a rookie.

That's a prime example of Shanahan not caring where you come from, only what you do while wearing his uniform.

If Albert Haynesworth could get back onto Shanahan's 'good' side, then there's no reason DT11 couldn't, other than his own misgivings.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I get it. DT11 was a #3 receiver acting like a #1 WR.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 11, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

At least there is a reason. The way I see it:

A Bad coach ignores the problem and it remains a problem.

A Good coach makes the problem go away.

A Great coach finds a way to turn the problem into a positive that can help the team.


It's looking more and more like Shanahan is turning out to be a good coach rather than the great coach we had hoped for.

Posted by: HokiePaul | October 11, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Moe, exactly what "chance" did Shanahan give Maurice Clarret? He never played a down in a preseason or a regular season NFL game. He didn't even make the roster.
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In a widely unexpected move, Clarett was drafted on the first day of the 2005 NFL Draft with the final pick of the 3rd round (#101 overall) by the Denver Broncos. Many experts felt that he would fall to the 6th or 7th round, if he was drafted at all.[7] Clarett, however, was unimpressive in the Denver Broncos' preseason training camp. In part due to having not played a game in two years or practiced in over a year, he entered training camp weighing 248 pounds (at least 20 pounds overweight). He was slow to recover from an injury.

Despite his unimpressive training camp, Clarett was offered and signed a four-year contract on July 28, 2005, with the Broncos in which he gave up $413,000 of guaranteed money in order to secure an incentive-laden deal. Clarett signed this deal against the advice of his former agents, Steve Feldman and Josh Luchs. Clarett's motivation was to replace the proposed deal with a package that would pay him first-round money if he rushed for 1,000 yards in multiple seasons.

However, after further disappointments and incidents with his coaches and never playing a preseason game, Clarett was released on waivers on August 28, 2005, only a month after signing his contract and before playing even a single down in the NFL. As is standard procedure in the NFL, for a 24-hour period after his release, other teams could have claimed him and taken on his contract. After that 24-hour period, he was free from his contract and able to negotiate with any team, but no team expressed interest.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21

So own my computer and can tell me what to write. You are the all knowing and powerful one that we should all listen too. Maybe you need to take your own advice and shut the hell up.

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Whatever you think of this move, whether you think DT is going to become a Pro Bowler elsewhere or is doomed to be an NFL bust...this undeniably sends a crystal clear message from Shanahan to the team: 53 > 1- nobody is bigger than the team. Haynesworth drama seems like a minor tiff compared to releasing a man. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas got his act together in a year or two and became a good pro, I think this a move that had to be made. Besides, does anyone here think they know more about running an NFL team than Shanahan? I'm on board.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 11, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

mistamayor,

"So what happened?

Isn't it obvious?

The man who has been given power to build his own roster is using it.

Last winter, a lot of leftovers from Marty thru Gibbs 2.0 were sent packing, and now that it's time to see who can execute the scheme, the flimsy pieces that made up Team Zorn have been sent out the door.

But for a torn hamstring, Malcolm Kelly probably would've been sent well before Devin Thomas.

Shanny is shaping the team into strong- minded, humble, low cost unit that plays hard, hits in the mouth, and is extemely versitile.

Do you think a soft-minded gang of muscle flexing tatooed types would've held it together yesterday in overtime?

Nope.

You asked what has happened, and the singular answer is that Shanny has delivered, even if we question his moves.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Here was my response to Lavar's article...

LaVar,
Thanks for the memories first of all. You provided many great moment in you time as a player with the skins. It is a shame that things happened the way they did with your contract. Im wont pretend to know the whole truth, but that's personal business between you and Dan Snyder. I like having you as a reporter for the Post, and I hope you enjoy reporting for the post on Redskins topics in particular. I hope this works out for you! As an objective fan that would like to hear your insights, I would recommend being careful about reporting on controversial players in this manner. I would caution being critical of past moves because we are not living in that era any longer. Skins fans want and need their favorite news outlet to be as positive as possible. This isn't the most positive article, and in fact it's quite critical from a fan perspective. On the heels of a great win, this is not the most appropriate way to approach this article. It's possible to make a point that DT11 may turn out to be a better player with another team, without making it sound like the Redskins are not handling this the right way. Please stay away from these articles for your own sake and let someone like negative Sally handle this stuff. Shanny knows that cutting Thomas is the best thing for him and the team. I believe he cares about his players, but he's not going to care more than they do and that's what he means by DT11 not being acting like a professional. If you don't learn the playbook brotha, then you didn't care enough to study that thing day and night. When he was sleeping in the meetings, he could have been studying his playbook. If DT11 doesn't realize his full potential in this league, then it's because he never really learned anything from all of this. If he took care of business and learned the whole playbook, then he could have his little side career of Acting and Modeling with no problem. DT11 spread himself too thin and thus he labeled himself as being unprofessional by not taking care of the basics. Cutting DT11 was justified and had to be done. I believe Shanahan spent time trying to train, rather than blame Thomas. When Thomas started blaming the coaches for his lack of playing time, that's when Shanahan realized that Thomas was not coachable at this time. End of story and best of luck Lavar! Cheers! ;)

Posted by: go88car | October 11, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: go88car | October 11, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Again, 31 teams had the chance to claim DT on waivers. None of them did.

St. Louis lost Clayton for the year to a knee injury. They're desperate for WR help. They say they won't even bring in DT for a workout.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 11, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Meh, don't kid yourself, HP: not all great coaches/leaders turn EVERY problem into a positive.

Not that I disagree with you . . . or, unlike you, was hoping for anything more than a good coach.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | October 11, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

So own my computer and can tell me what to write. You are the all knowing and powerful one that we should all listen too. Maybe you need to take your own advice and shut the hell up.

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 2:04 PM |

I don't remeber mentioning any poster by name so you must know your being a whiny B-itch, by all means continue.

I'm sure DT was a god on the field and the Shanny's just didn't like him so thats why he is gone. What team put in a waiver claim on him?

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 11, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

if the rams dont even want dt that says alot!!! HE IS A BUM!

Posted by: warriorking1112 | October 11, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

People who don't think the "little things" don't matter- I'd argue that GB probably wins that game if they don't burn 2 early timeouts in the 2nd half. And it doesn't go down as an official stat, but Jeremy Jarmon basically forced that INT. Great to see this guy start to pay some dividends.

Any word on 71?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 11, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Bill Romanowski

Shannon Sharpe

Javon Walker

Brandon Marshall

Jay Cutler

You guys are right, Shanny only likes 'humble' types.

(INSERT sarcasm.)

But we do like how the redskins are playing.

So we'll let the point go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Bill Romanowski

Shannon Sharpe

Javon Walker

Ashley Lelie

Brandon Marshall

Jay Cutler

You guys are right, Shanny only likes 'humble' types.

(INSERT sarcasm.)

But we do like how the redskins are playing.

So we'll let the point go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21

Well it seems to me to that you are the whiny B-itch since you can't take another person view and respect it without acting like a 7 year old girl. Punk ass!!!

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

My gawd, I can't believe there are still people out there who "want and need their favorite news outlet to be as positive as possible" about the sports teams they follow.

It's called journalism. Look it up.


(Oh, and Arrington is not a "reporter." So - in a way - my rant is superfluous.)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | October 11, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Stop bashing him now by saying no one wants him. He'll be signed this week or next, that's not an issue, but when someone does it will be for a prorated portion of the leaguue minimum. If someone claimed him off waivers they would have had to give him the remainder of this years salary.

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if the rams dont even want dt that says alot!!! HE IS A BUM!

Posted by: warriorking1112 | October 11, 2010 2:12 PM

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | October 11, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

You guys are right, Shanny only likes 'humble' types.

(INSERT sarcasm.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Humble or flashy misses the point, agreed. Romanowski was a punk, I have no love for him at all, but I doubt anybody worked harder than him (insert 'roids joke). Brandon Marshal is so much more talented than Devin Thomas and while maybe a bit of a diva I'd bet he works his tail off. DT? Seems more worried about making terrible videos with his awful girlfriend. Go be a rockstar DT, enjoy that $2 mil in guranteed loot. That should last you at least 6 months.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 11, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Mista,

You make exceptions for great players, DT is not even clsoe to a average player. Also don't think that is the only reason because J-Reid says so, I could get more inside information then him by calling the Redskins receptionist.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 11, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is a very good coach (his record without Elway averages about 9 wins a year, with Elway it was an average of nearly 11 wins a year) but . . .

He reminds me of every high school coach who only wanted "my guys" and is relentlessly splitting the locker room. DT is a classic example. DT asks for a meeting with the coach to clear up his status, which speaks well for DT's maturity. He may be struggling but he talked directly to the coach instead of sniping through the press or other teammates. THey have a "productive meeting" and two days later he is cut without explanation. I gather DT is not one of his guys.

As long as they win, everybody turns a blind eye to this divisiveness; as soon as the wins dry up, they turn on each other. Which is what happened in Denver. Enjoy this while it lasts.

Posted by: haunches | October 11, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

DT getting cut had NOTHING to do with him giving a chest bump. Look at some of the other guys they have as key guys on the team (DHALL, DIRTY30, etc.) that love them some prime time celebrations. This is all about trust. They did not trust DT. He had all the talent in the world but they did not know if he would even run the right route much less catch the ball (Remember his teammates were calling him 50/50 in the preseason). I wish they would have traded in for something in the preseason or been able to get him to correct his problems but hey no one is perfect and Shanahan is no different. He is going to make some personal and coaching mistakes but I have faith they will be the exceptions not the rule like in the past. Don't forget the last two years (or 10 for that matter) and know we are changing the whole culture of a franchise. I for one would rather root for an underdog (AA) playing his heart out that a prima donna who thinks they are entitled to something.

Posted by: B2WIN | October 11, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

It's unfortunate to see it end up this way, but Thomas has done nothing to warrant leeway with regards to earning a spot on the field.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 1:47 PM
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Let's start at the start: DT was a bad draft pick. Only one good year in college = high risk + low reward.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 11, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan may have clashed with Thomas' style, but he also devalued Thomas to the point he became untradable. Any who has watched Thomas play knows he has NFL level talent -- getting nothing for him is what is most problematic.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 11, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

J-Reid says so, I could get more inside information then him by calling the Redskins receptionist.

Posted by: Flounder21

I agree with you on that one

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The point is, we actually have a fanbase that has the power to let it be known what we think of our team and an owner that now listens to his fans. Our cute little Danny boy is growing up so fast. I am a snyder fan and now Im glad he's maturing as an owner and allowing great football minds to run the show. We got our wish, now let's sit back and enjoy the show. It's gonna be really freakin' good, especially in a year or two. I predict the 2012 Lombardi Trophy will be shinning brightly as it's reflects the burgundy and gold. This years team may just shock the world too, atleast we can dream again! HTTR!!!

Posted by: go88car | October 11, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Well it seems to me to that you are the whiny B-itch since you can't take another person view and respect it without acting like a 7 year old girl. Punk ass!!!

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 2:20 PM |

JM I'm shaking in my flip flops real tough guy on the internet, you can have your view and yes your entitled to it. So by all means keep hating on your favorite team if thats what you want.

This post is ridiculous anyway we win yesterday, and this is what we get from J-Reid a story about a guy no longer on the team who nobody else wants.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 11, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Well it seems to me to that you are the whiny B-itch since you can't take another person view and respect it without acting like a 7 year old girl. Punk ass!!!

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 2:20 PM |

JM I'm shaking in my flip flops real tough guy on the internet, you can have your view and yes your entitled to it. So by all means keep hating on your favorite team if thats what you want.

This post is ridiculous anyway we win yesterday, and this is what we get from J-Reid a story about a guy no longer on the team who nobody else wants.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 11, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Whatever you think of this move, whether you think DT is going to become a Pro Bowler elsewhere or is doomed to be an NFL bust...this undeniably sends a crystal clear message from Shanahan to the team: 53 > 1- nobody is bigger than the team. Haynesworth drama seems like a minor tiff compared to releasing a man. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas got his act together in a year or two and became a good pro, I think this a move that had to be made. Besides, does anyone here think they know more about running an NFL team than Shanahan? I'm on board."

I'm not on board without more info. DT has too much talent along with the WR size, speed, and moves that the team needs. It is unclear whether Shanahan really made an effort to advise DT of their concerns and the possible consequences. That would be the norm in most employment situations. If they did, then fine. If not, and just assuming he should realize these things, then that is bad management and shame on them.

Posted by: ipesq | October 11, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Regarding DT, this is where a good agent is worth his money. A top agent will have connections around the league and can spin this in a way that at least gets the player a tryout. Otherwise, he is a guy who got cut by the team with the worst receiving corps in the league.

I would think the Vikes would want a look at him. Maybe the Ravens. Afer all, Zorn knows him. St. Louis too. If I were a GM, I'd at least want to kick the tires of a guy with this much apparent physical ability. It's not like the Redskins are known for their personnel management, so the fact they cut a guy should mean nothing.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | October 11, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Moe - MK12 is a Real Ready NFL Pro.....Shanny could've cut him the same time they IR'd him.

But Shanny knows....Just like he knew about Torrain 2 years ago and kept him hanging around....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 11, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

So if history offers us any type of foreseeable outcomes, the Skins won't have to play against Joseph Addai, Donald Brown, Bob Sanders and Austin Collie. Further, the Colts will lose two key starters early in the game for this pattern to continue.

The Redskins are killing people.....and I like it.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

My gawd, I can't believe there are still people out there who "want and need their favorite news outlet to be as positive as possible" about the sports teams they follow.

It's called journalism. Look it up.


(Oh, and Arrington is not a "reporter." So - in a way - my rant is superfluous.)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | October 11, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Ok, maybe some negative people enjoy the Lavar type of articles. I never said they don't have the right to write, but the post does have a skewd perspective. To each his own. I have stuck with the skins through it all and am entitled to request some positive journalism when it comes to the Redskins. Especially from a news agency that makes a killing off of the Redskins, my team.

Posted by: go88car | October 11, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

this team hits hard, i wanna see them knock out manning this sun!! It would be awesome if this "D" knocks out both manning's this season!!! HTTR!!

Posted by: warriorking1112 | October 11, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm shaking in my flip flops real tough guy on the internet
Posted by: Flounder21

LMAO! I was thinking the same thing about you. I am not hating on my team I am just speaking to what I feel is the truth. (as I did about you getting more info than reid) All I said was if this is true and this was the real reason (meaning i don't know if it is or not) than it was stupid to cut the guy for that. And yes we win yesterday so f it. hugs for everyone. looool

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

If Shanahan doesn't like demonstrative, chest-thumping players, why is Landry on the team? He's the ultimate diva; he'll get burned on a deep pass, but as long as he gets a big hit, he starts with the theatrics. That's why I doubt it's about a player showing off on the field.

Posted by: keithward64
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I wholeheartedly agree with you Keith because Landry caught the interception and danced after the play. Where was Shanny? Furthermore, if Shanahan is such a disciplinarian, why is Haynesworth still on the team? Albert is holding press conferences after every quibble. During these times both London Fletcher and Donovan McNabb mediated between the two parties. Devin handles his disagreements in private. That's the mark of a true professional. Shanahan has made this a popularity contest which is the wrong way to run a team. Look at how Clinton Portis has acted when he realized that he could act however he wanted. This preference will blow up in Shanahan's a Washington's faces.

Posted by: phenomena1 | October 11, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

It was obviously worth the 5 week wait to finally get the scoop from Reid. What reporting. He sent out a few texts this morning? What ambition.

I think the learning disability theory is as good as any. If this was about look-at-me players and chest thumping, Shanny would have to cut Moss and Landry. (And Ray Lewis too if he played here.)

Posted by: NYPDee | October 11, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Worse fit:

Jreid and Redskins Insider.

Please go back to LA to cover the NFL. You can start in Jax.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 11, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"You make exceptions for great players, DT is not even clsoe to a average player."


Again: I've let the issue go.

Deviin Thomas was a bad draft pick and until we see otherwise, Malcolm Kelly is right behind him.

I'd rather talk about Anthony Armstrong.

I'd also wonder about TAustin as there has to be some point where RWilliams' presence on the roster gets questioned.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Coach Shanahan has to be given props for his player decisions up to this point...He is for team concept first and if the player is not on board he will be moved..Thomas is just the first of many skins that will not be around much longer..Haynesworth is next and Portis will follow...Landry will once his contract is up...I too am sick of chest bumping show off football....play the game..

Posted by: wmnatzakanian | October 11, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Coach Shanahan has to be given props for his player decisions up to this point...He is for team concept first and if the player is not on board he will be moved..Thomas is just the first of many skins that will not be around much longer..Haynesworth is next and Portis will follow...Landry will once his contract is up...I too am sick of chest bumping show off football....play the game..

Posted by: wmnatzakanian | October 11, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Re: MK12 - I meant to add 'he just needs to get his legs in order'....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 11, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm shaking in my flip flops real tough guy on the internet
Posted by: Flounder21

LMAO! I was thinking the same thing about you. I am not hating on my team I am just speaking to what I feel is the truth. (as I did about you getting more info than reid) All I said was if this is true and this was the real reason (meaning i don't know if it is or not) than it was stupid to cut the guy for that. And yes we win yesterday so f it. hugs for everyone. looool

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 2:35 PM |

Why do I get the sense that whenever someone types "LMAO" or "looool" in a response to a contentious back-and-forth that they are really fuming, hands shaking and getting so unhinged that their mothers yell down to the cellar they stay in, rent free, to STFU?

What's with all that LMAO stuff anyway? Don't you just laugh without having to typed you laughed? When you go out in public and someone says something funny, do you laugh or fall down like Clinton Portis in the open and roll around repeating "R-O-T-F-L-M-A-O"????

In the immortal words of Dave Chappelle...."I'M SERIOUS!"

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Landry will once his contract is up...I too am sick of chest bumping show off football....play the game..

Posted by: wmnatzakanian | October 11, 2010 2:41 PM

Man, you'd better be hoping Landry stays a Redskin. Have you been watching?

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 11, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

You guys are right, Shanny only likes 'humble' types.

(INSERT sarcasm.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

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If this was about look-at-me players and chest thumping, Shanny would have to cut Moss and Landry. (And Ray Lewis too if he played here.)

Posted by: NYPDee | October 11, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

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I think you're both missing the point.

Landry, Moss, Ray Lewis, Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Javon Walker, Shannon Sharpe, and Bill Romanowski were/are all pro-bowl caliber players with production to back up their talent.

Shanahan isn't stupid. He doesn't like the prima donna attitude, but production trumps all.

Devin Thomas apparently acted like a prima donna on top of never doing anything noteworthy in an NFL uniform. That's the worst possible combination. He was a WR version of Colt Brennan.

Heck, you might as well blame Joe Gibbs for jettisoning Brandon Lloyd a year and a half into his stint with the Redskins.

Then again, look at what Lloyd is doing now...

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Again, 31 teams had the chance to claim DT on waivers. None of them did.

St. Louis lost Clayton for the year to a knee injury. They're desperate for WR help. They say they won't even bring in DT for a workout.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 11, 2010 2:09 PM

That's really all you need to know about the wonderful DT11. Although I will say that I don't know why we felt the need to cut him now. He was contributing on special teams...and he was keeping Roydell Williams off the field on special teams (see Roydell's block in the back yesterday on a punt return). In the end, who cares because he was definitely replaceable. Moving on....

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 11, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

JReid presents information in an extremely unbiased manner. In fact, I think that more than anything is probably holding back his getting ahead as a writer. But he might have just added that the stuff he was able to solicit from players and other contacts just wasn't that good or valuable and "I'm just passing this along as well."

For what it's worth, I have noticed that Moss's annoying celebrations after each catch have been tempered with only the occasion spinning of the ball, etc.

Posted by: DCUnited2 | October 11, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended

NPI when I am fumming I pull out the hammer and smack people in the back of their damn heads

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: oh_boy1 | October 11, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"Coach Shanahan has to be given props for his player decisions up to this point..."


The best decision continues to be trading for Donovan McNabb.

Yes: his inaccurate throws are annoying.

But his accurate throws and leadership are a joy to behold.

Above all, it's his leadership in the face of pressure and injury that standout.

Guys will play to the max for someone who taking just as many hits as they are, and still make plays.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe this article for a second. Reid's inside contacts must be guys very much on the periphery. If you just watched DT in the preseason, you got all of the info you needed. He would make a great catch and then drop a catchable ball. He would get bone headed penalties and then make great plays. Inconsistent is the word that comes to mind. Ask yourselves why, if a bad relationship with Shanahan was the guy's only flaw, then why weren't teams beating down the door for a trade? Inconsistent. Shanny had enough. The show boating would not have mattered had DT done the little things right and consistently.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"At times during practice, Shanahan admonished Thomas for thumping his chest after a big play or boasting to defensive backs he beat, said multiple people who observed them interact during practice throughout the offseason and preseason."

Who were these DBs he was beating in practice...Rogers, Barnes, Hall?

So if he got open in practice why would Shanny suppose he couldn't get open in the games?

This is just personal if you ask me. DT can flat out play just ask the players. The sad thing part about it is he would make life so much easier for the Cooleys and Mosses on offense.

Every week is such a freakin' struggle with these ham and eggers at WR.

Posted by: elfreako | October 11, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Why do I get the sense that whenever someone types "LMAO" or "looool" in a response to a contentious back-and-forth that they are really fuming, hands shaking and getting so unhinged that their mothers yell down to the cellar they stay in, rent free, to STFU?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 2:43 PM |

You get that sense because that's the life you live and you project it onto other people.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 11, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

NPI - It's to transport emotions over the Internets so you get the other person's feelings, otherwise it would be alot of miscommunication....that's why I started using it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 11, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Serious question and I don't want any PC crap here:

Will Haynesworth come back to the area this week with any desire to be a part of the team whose owner essentially gave him the keys to the team's private plane and said, come back when ever you're ready?

Will he play this weekend? Will he get in even 1 day's practice?

This might be the very first week ever that I am interested in knowing what's up with Shamu92.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Man, you'd better be hoping Landry stays a Redskin. Have you been watching?

Posted by: MColeman51


I know right. Our d are snatching bodies right now. What is like 6 players in 2 games?

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas aside, I am sick and tired of hearing about how "smart" Shanahan is when fact of the matter he has won NOTHING since the moment Elway retired...not hard to look smart with a HOF QB throwing to R. Smith or E. McCaffrey. Fact of the matter is while he may be a smart man he has way too much ego and a seemingly obvious case of "short man's disease" to ever win anywhere unless he has an abundance of talent and veteran leadership to keep him in check. His draft classes at Denver as a whole were awful (Clarrett anyone) and the only one responsible was him.

Posted by: mjg22 | October 11, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse


beantown has been mia since DT11 was cut. where are you bean ? you can come out now.

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"I know right. Our d are snatching bodies right now. What is like 6 players in 2 games?

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse"

By my count:

Aaron Rodgers
Jermichel Finley
Donald Lee
Clay Matthews
Michael Vick
LeSean McCoy
Jorrick Calvin
Asante Samuel
Mike Bell
Steven Jackson

Big plays, big hits, toughness defined. This is why Shanahan puts such an emphasis on offseason conditioning.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I think you're both missing the point.


You can not say a coach has a tough standard, then say, "Oh, well, he bends the standard when a guy shows he can play."

That's not a standard.

And it ain't all that tough.

That's what happens in college football when the illiterate, but talented running back who takes money under the table is ignored right up until he's caught.

Then the coach and university proclaim, "We have a standard," while kicking the guy out of school.

The singular standard in pro sports should be, personality issues aside, is this guy doing the job he's getting paid for?

If I'm Mike Shanahan, and I'm asked why I released Devin Thomas, I say:

"I let him go because he just couldn't play as well as we liked."

"And that's our standard."

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I definitely come from the same mold as Shanahan ... Hate showboats... The Cowboys are full of such players. But I gotta think its not this... Armstrong danced after his TD yesterday... Sellers did a celebration after his big hit. McNabb is a world class diva... I gotta think its more about lack of commitment.... Sleeping in a meeting would throw anybody through the rafters... Off field distractions show lack of total dedicated focus... Sloppy route running is a symptom of this...

Posted by: egrib | October 11, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I definitely come from the same mold as Shanahan ... Hate showboats... The Cowboys are full of such players. But I gotta think its not this... Armstrong danced after his TD yesterday... Sellers did a celebration after his big hit. McNabb is a world class diva... I gotta think its more about lack of commitment.... Sleeping in a meeting would throw anybody through the rafters... Off field distractions show lack of total dedicated focus... Sloppy route running is a symptom of this...

Posted by: egrib | October 11, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Trent and Jammal both MRI negative, no surgery needed.

Looks like two bullets dodged.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 11, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe all this about DT. What does it matter? He's gone and not coming back. If you want to say something about him how about commenting on his statement: "I guess they don't want a big play receiver that can do it all" REALLY?

move on please...

How about this, even though we've had a few injuries, we seem to be coming out on the positive end by comparison to our opponents. That's big

Posted by: BenThere | October 11, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"...not hard to look smart with a HOF QB throwing to R. Smith or E. McCaffrey.

Posted by: mjg22 | October 11, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse"

Apparently it is, because Elway played 14 years before Shanahan won him his first championship.

But naaaah, you're right, any coach would have won with Elway...

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

Can't have your back on this one, let's look at your list of "humble types":

Bill Romanowski
Clown, but ALL PRO clown

Shannon Sharpe
Clown, but ALL PRO clown

Javon Walker
BAD Attitude, but demonstrated skill consistantly, too

Brandon Marshall
Dumb Attitude, but demonstrated skill consistantly, too

Jay Cutler
Wins games everywhere he goes with it ALL on HIS shoulders at times

What do they ALL have in common, that DT11 lacks?

EACH of them proved them self up to the task of being clearly better than the guy whos' job they took.

Thomas NEVER did.

Period.

TM

Posted by: ThinkingMan | October 11, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

In the world of business, when a new CEO takes over, he brings in his own people. What MS is doing is no different.

The CEO is judged on how much the bottom line is improved.

So let it be with MS.

Posted by: pjente | October 11, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

psps23

I am hoping we take out both of the Mannings this year.

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"Although I will say that I don't know why we felt the need to cut him now. He was contributing on special teams...and he was keeping Roydell Williams off the field on special teams (see Roydell's block in the back yesterday on a punt return).

Posted by: HokiesSkins"

This I agree with. Roydell Williams has done next to nothing, and Thomas was a far superior special teamer than Williams is. If one had to go, I was certain it would have been Williams instead.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Bye Devin, Good riddance!

Posted by: VegasJim | October 11, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse


The SC funeral is tomorrow. I'm wondering if DMac5 and LF59 herd the boys onto a chartered plane to show up for their team mate.

Its what i would do.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 11, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

ALSO:

Big Props to Cody Grimm for his Pick6 of Carson Palmer.....

Should be DEF Rookie of the week.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 11, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of hearing about how "smart" Shanahan is

Posted by: mjg22 | October 11, 2010 2:56 PM

Funny ... I'm hoping the next couple of years leave no doubt. I think he's off to a good start and am encouraged. You're not...at all? You mentioned Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey. They were only there because Shanahan was willing to move two higher profile, high draft picks to make room for those two. Give the guy a chance to get his team in place.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 11, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I am really at a loss here. Did we not just win a tough game against a sexy SB pick? Are we not 3-1/2-0 in the division? Are we smacking people in the mouth and filling out teams injury reports, are we not playing with some passion? Are we not doing it with still suspect talent?

And we are bashing Shanahan? We are wasting time worrying about a never was one-year college wonder VINHY CERRATO PICK?

And the revisionist history on B Lloyd is so funny it makes me want to cry. Really? Yeah we should have kept him..

DT11 SUCKS! Bottom line, and then when he brags 24/7 and produces nothing, yeah it looks bad. He is an all pro talker thats for sure. Good riddance.

And I'll line up with a warrior like Armstrong and even Roydell Williams anyday, they have fought against all odds, while DT11 fought hard against all ADVANTAGES.

Sometimes I think us fans get the team we deserve after comments STILL dogging Laron Landry or the "What has Shanahan ever done" crowd. Do you brainiacs remember what last season was like. Call me silly, but I'll take this season over last 10/10 times.

All you suck hole fans can lick my taint "I feel so sorry for JC/Zorn/DT11/B Lloyd..." Um really????

I am having fun this season, see things I like.....W FING WON LOSERS!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 11, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't mind the showboating. Actually I couldn't care less. The reason Shanny lets these guys do that is because they practice, prepare and make plays.

Do those three things and you can muscle flex, do the stanky leg,do the worm,do the water-sprinkler etc...

Just practice, prepare and play and you're good.

DT was cut because he's lazy, no other reason.

That's all I will say about a player that is not a Redskin.

Now JReid, please get us an update about the great Stretch Armstrong.

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 11, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

whoops sorry "are we not 3-2"

Posted by: chrislarry | October 11, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing about DT was he was in a few promos at the stadium yesterday. I guess the production staff didn't get enought time to edit him out!

Posted by: Toochilled | October 11, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Trent and Jammal both MRI negative, no surgery needed.

Looks like two bullets dodged.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 11, 2010 3:03 PM

Post of the day!

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 11, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Trent and Jammal both MRI negative, no surgery needed.

Looks like two bullets dodged.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

That is good news. I gues Reid will post that sometime tomorrow

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

DT11? Still think they would be better off splitting Cooley out and letting Fred Davis most of the reps at tight end. They now have 2 deep threats in Moss and Armstrong. They just need guys to move the chains on the short ins. Davis is the better athlete and he should by now have learned to do pro-style blocking. Cooley split out blocking for running plays might be a big plus.

Posted by: periculum | October 11, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Screw this.

Yesterday we beat a team that has been widely picked to represent the NFC in the Superbowl.

And we not only beat them, we knocked them the "f" out and put a bunch of their best players on the injury list.

And all we can talk about is D friggin' T???

Posted by: p1funk | October 11, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I grew up with Devin. We played on the same high school team. He is a great guy but the whole mentality of "showtime" is absolutely true. He was always a pretty cocky dude, but could back it up with his play. It is obvious here looking at this situation that there is no reason why Devin couldn't be on that field instead of the likes of Armstrong, Galloway, Etc.. What I get from this is that 1. Shannahan is teaching a lesson to Devin and 2. Shannahan doesn't want anything to do with anyone from the Zorn era, he wants his own personnel. DT will take his talents elsewhere and hopefully learn from this, becuase he has TONS of potential.

Posted by: michigandude1 | October 11, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Thats DTs problem.

Too much potential, not enough kinetic.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 11, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Thats DTs problem.

Too much potential, not enough kinetic.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 11, 2010 3:20 PM

They say brevity is the soul of wit.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 11, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse


The SC funeral is tomorrow. I'm wondering if DMac5 and LF59 herd the boys onto a chartered plane to show up for their team mate.

Its what i would do.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 11, 2010 3:09 PM |

That would be impressive and it could light a small fire inside AH. We could really use him next week.

I just don't, however, see it happening here. I think the man essentially 'retired' last April when he cashed his 21 mil check.

There's a chance though. The one thing you can count on from a selfish person is to want to get in on a good thing - and the Skins right now, are a good thing.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Trent and Jammal both MRI negative, no surgery needed.

Looks like two bullets dodged.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

That is good news. I gues Reid will post that sometime tomorrow

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2010 3:13 PM |

Nice JM. Okay, maybe I didn't laugh out loud (LOL)....but I certainly did chuckle to myself (CTM).

Poor JReid. He is really seen as a doosh. I guess now he knows how pabrian feels.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Where's the news on the MRI's Trent and Brown took today?

The reporters at Shannahans presser blow monkey testies. Not a single question on injuries.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Biggest irony of all: Saturday should have been, for Devin Thomas as a fan of Michigan State football, the happiest day of his football life. It certainly was mine, beating Michigan for the third year in a row, and soundly in Ann Arbor. Going 6-0 and moving up to #11/13.

But Devin Thomas clearly didn't pick up the work ethic of either his college or professional coaches. If he had, he would still be a pro today.

MSU 34 Mich. 17. It's a beautiful thing.

Posted by: stevec3 | October 11, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Biggest irony of all: Saturday should have been, for Devin Thomas as a fan of Michigan State football, the happiest day of his football life. It certainly was mine, beating Michigan for the third year in a row, and soundly in Ann Arbor. Going 6-0 and moving up to #11/13.

But Devin Thomas clearly didn't pick up the work ethic of either his college or professional coaches. If he had, he would still be a pro today.

MSU 34 Mich. 17. It's a beautiful thing.

Posted by: stevec3 | October 11, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

ALSO:

Big Props to Cody Grimm for his Pick6 of Carson Palmer.....

Should be DEF Rookie of the week.....

Posted by: 4thFloor

Carson Palmer did everything he could to sink my FF teams ... I played the Bengal defense in both games and Palmer's 3 picks led to most of Tampa's points.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 11, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Biggest irony of all: Saturday should have been, for Devin Thomas as a fan of Michigan State football, the happiest day of his football life. It certainly was mine, beating Michigan for the third year in a row, and soundly in Ann Arbor. But Devin Thomas clearly didn't pick up the work ethic of either his college or professional coaches. If he had, he would still be a pro today.

MSU 34 Mich. 17. It's a beautiful thing.

Posted by: stevec3 | October 11, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

The reporters at Shannahans presser blow monkey testies. Not a single question on injuries.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse


Really...with JReid leading the way, I find that surprising...

...not.

How many questions were asked about AH and DT11??

Posted by: p1funk | October 11, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

MSU 34 Mich. 17. It's a beautiful thing.

Posted by: stevec3 | October 11, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Im down with that. F Rich Fraud.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 11, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

We all saw last year that DT does have talent. You often hear that coaches, "play their best players." That is not always true. In any organization, business etc. and football teams, there are "politics".

If you don't fit management's "type", or carry yourself a certain way, kiss azz, or be an unconditional supporter, you will not be a contributing member of that oranization, or a member at all.

I saw a family member who was a talented football player, pretty much ostracized and ignored by his head coach, and following the head coaches lead, the assistant coaches, or ones who had any say. Why? Various reasons, but the bottom line is, the best players are not always utilized. If the coach has it in mind that a certain player is his "guy", he's going to go with that guy, win or lose. He may know the player's family, he may have played for him before, etc.

If he's not the coaches "guy" he's not going to play, no matter how talented.
The coach is going to go with HIS guy, win or lose.

Also, Moss makes a routine 8 yard catch and spins the ball, funny Shannaman doesn't appear to have a problem with that.

It's all political BS.

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 11, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

eaching a lesson to Devin and 2. Shannahan doesn't want anything to do with anyone from the Zorn era, he wants his own personnel. DT will take his talents elsewhere and hopefully learn from this, becuase he has TONS of potential.

Posted by: michigandude1 | October 11, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse
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I don't think Zorn's players are an issue here. This is a professional job & these are your co-workers. You do your job & there's no need to trash talk your own teammates. I can see how that would get old. I don't think Shanny gave him any opportunity because he wasn't going to reward this behavior. If he gets on the field & starts making plays, now he has no choice but to keep him & the minute they found a replacement for returns DT#11 was done in Washington.

Posted by: tony325 | October 11, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: michigandude1 | October 11, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to say this about your boy, but he sounds like an overgrown knucklehead; an insecure 12 year-old trapped in the body of a superior athlete; a guy in the T.O. mold of WRs (minus the professional success and on-field production).

If teams are reluctant to give the real T.O. a chance, how reluctant will they be to give his last-on-the-depth-chart wannabe version a chance?

Maybe he will end up contributing on another team...fact that he cleared waivers, though, tells me that teams out there aren't exactly dying to bring him in.

Posted by: p1funk | October 11, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Thomas again asked Shanahan what he needed to do to gain Shanahan's trust and have a role on offense, the team sources said.

"Shanahan and Thomas supposedly had a productive exchange, and Thomas told people he left the meeting believing that Shanahan had not given up on him and he still had a chance for a career with the Redskins. But Shanahan released Thomas Saturday after the team's walk-through in preparation to face Green Bay."

What's the betting that Shanahan told him what to do and then saw Thomas screw up before the day was out.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | October 11, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

reid, your threads are sooooo repetitive. give it up to someone that's hungry and more creative. you're nothing more than a gossip columnist.

Posted by: hessone

Send them your resume doofus. You don't speak for the majority here.

Posted by: TheCork | October 11, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

DT. Stay positive and don't talk to Lavar or diss the Skins. Look at how many players have been brought back this yr!

Posted by: robzombie | October 11, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

We all saw last year that DT does have talent. You often hear that coaches, "play their best players." That is not always true. In any organization, business etc. and football teams, there are "politics".

If you don't fit management's "type", or carry yourself a certain way, kiss azz, or be an unconditional supporter, you will not be a contributing member of that oranization, or a member at all.

I saw a family member who was a talented football player, pretty much ostracized and ignored by his head coach, and following the head coaches lead, the assistant coaches, or ones who had any say. Why? Various reasons, but the bottom line is, the best players are not always utilized. If the coach has it in mind that a certain player is his "guy", he's going to go with that guy, win or lose. He may know the player's family, he may have played for him before, etc.

If he's not the coaches "guy" he's not going to play, no matter how talented.
The coach is going to go with HIS guy, win or lose.

Also, Moss makes a routine 8 yard catch and spins the ball, funny Shannaman doesn't appear to have a problem with that.

It's all political BS.

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 11, 2010 3:35 PM |

ONE LAST TIME...for the people in the back if they can't hear me...

"Devin Thomas SSSSUUUUUCCCCKKKKKSSSSS!!!"

Vince Popelli showed that he had talent - but he couldn't earn a spot (yes, he was playing against bona fide NFL players).

Marko Mitchell had talent.

Kyle Boller has immense talent.

Patrick Ramsey had talent.

Babe Laufenberg had talent.

Having talent doesn't mean crap in the NFL. There is so much more that goes with that because, since you don't seem to get this, EVERYONE on a roster, whether they play or not, HAS talent.

Moss spinning a ball is nothing. The dude has sacrificed more in this past off-season than DT has in his entire life. Please don't even think of comparing DT to proven veteran players - that argument falls flat on its face, like Clinton Portis in the open, 5 yards from the first down marker.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Send them your resume doofus. You don't speak for the majority here.

Posted by: TheCork | October 11, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Ineloquently, but yeah, he does.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 11, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"There's got to be more to it. This sounds like the Fred Davis giggling during meetings bs last year.

Posted by: skinswest"

Yea but Fred Davis posted 48 receptions for 509 yards and 6 TDs in 8 starts as a tight end.

Devin Thomas had 11 starts, yet only posted 25 receptions for 325 yards and 3 TDs in the exact same offense, and this as a WR.

Anthony Armstrong is a 3rd WR, hasn't started a game, and is on pace to smoke Devin Thomas' career highs which were set last season.

It's unfortunate to see it end up this way, but Thomas has done nothing to warrant leeway with regards to earning a spot on the field.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 1:47 PM

No argument on that front I just think there has to be more to the story than what Reid has reported - like Shanahan didn't think he was any good.

Posted by: skinswest | October 11, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

No argument on that front I just think there has to be more to the story than what Reid has reported - like Shanahan didn't think he was any good.

Posted by: skinswest | October 11, 2010 3:59 PM

I think the idea that Shanahan thinks he's no good goes without saying at this point.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 11, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Beep beep: MRI updates. Finally

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

To: No punt intended, no argument was intended, and your not saying anything that I'm not basically saying, it's not all about talent, but politics and other bullsh#t. Notwithstanding working hard and commitment.

In no way was I comparing DT and Moss, only Moss spins the ball after routine catches, not even TD catches, I don't like that. Other players demonstrate. If he doesn't like DT demonstrating then he shouldn't like other players demonstrating after making big plays.

It wasn't DT's demonstrating that he had a problem with, that's BS. DT just wasn't his type of guy and player.

Oh, no reply, necessary.

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 11, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

JReid's fat body and that suit are the real bad fit here. Krispy Kreme stopped catering the press conferences, and JR will NOT let it go.

JR, sticking up for DT will not put another chocolate-covered baby into your stomach. For shame, sir.

Posted by: pgugino | October 11, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

It is clear that two ego collided. In such situations, the boss win most of the time. Shanny is on an ego trip. As long as the team wins, everything will be fine. But with the losses will come complaints about what I mean here. If the Skins had lost to Green Bay on Sunday, the fingerpointing concerning the ouster of Devin Thomas would already have begun. Instead, Anthony Armstrong made the Thomas release a moot point.

Posted by: royhobbs56 | October 11, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

A day after a huge victory over a contending team and the Redskin's Insider is busy woirking sources on why the Redskins cut a non-productive WR who couldn't get on the field? THIS is what the Post thinks we care about? Having a source who can give some inside tid bits on a story does not mean the story is worth reporting. C'mon on. Please find a more experienced columnist or football person to act as the Insider. Please. This is ridiculous.

Posted by: themantoyou | October 11, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't get all the JR hate about his Devin Thomas reporting. Face it, the story sheds lots of light on Shanny as a coach and judge of players. That's gotta be a central theme here.

p.s. I noticed JR mentioned today that his sources at Redskins park say Snyder was a lot more involved in personnel decisions during the Ceratto era than he admits.

I'd love to hear more. Why? Because Snyder's still with us, that's why.

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 11, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Nothing personal against DT, in fact I was pulling for him (on the basis that it would be best for the 'Skins if he could step-up & be a bona-fide WR ) ... But frankly , I'm fine with another of Snyderatto's bungled personel moves being given the heave-ho ,sooner the team is purged of them the better ... Not that ALL of their moves blew (Orakapo for example) , but those are the exceptions 'cause clearly Snyder / Ceratto didnt know what-the-h*ll they were doing ... An iron-fisted dictator like Shanny might be just what this team needs to get turned 'round ...........

Posted by: RoidRage | October 11, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

For people Likening Thomas to Brandon Lloyd. He had already proven himself as a receiver with the 49ers. It's not the same situation with Thomas.

Lloyd got paid and started dogging it. Apart from one game and some kick-off returns we haven't seen any indication that Thomas can be a starting calibre receiver.

Even though he is starting to play well now, releasing Lloyd wasn't a mistake. He played badly for us and showed no sign of improvement. He didn't exactly light it up when he was with the Bears either. The fact that he is playing well two years down the line from his release speaks more of Lloyd's commitment to getting another fat contract than any commitment to footballing excellence.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | October 11, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

DT rarely got to play under that great stickler for discipline (not!), Jim Zorn. Now Shanahan, a polar opposite from Zorn is in charge and Thomas still can't break the line up. Something smell awfully funny here, and it ain't the coaching.

Posted by: clfrdj | October 11, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm trying to remember when Jerry Rice, as short of talent as he was, talked trash, taunted anyone or danced in the end zone after scoring one of his 200+ TDs. Uhhh.....I can't.

Posted by: sexgun | October 11, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"I'm trying to remember when Jerry Rice, as short of talent as he was, talked trash, taunted anyone or danced in the end zone after scoring one of his 200+ TDs. Uhhh.....I can't."
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Art Monk either.

Posted by: donquixote3 | October 11, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

So in a business/league where the average career lasts 2-3 years the fact that he had outside interests and he was an excitable\emotional player he was cut.
Not saying DT11 was pro bowl material, but when you look at the production of the guys in front of him, you kinda have to say WTF.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | October 11, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Why can't we see investigative reporting like this avant la lettre?

Posted by: WorstSeat | October 11, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

And for the rest of you bringing up Monk and Rice as examples you might want to take notice that next to Art Monk's bust in Canton you'll see Michael Irvin's and next to Jerry Rice's you'll soon see Randy Moss's. And shudder, TO's.
I just don't think with the lack of actual talent at WR that Shanny can get into a personality conflict with a guy, who has even by his own admission, the talent to play.
Merill Hoge said it best when talking about Galloway and Roydell. "They are not winning players".
Meaning if you are playing those bums you are not going to win much.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | October 11, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I find it hard to believe Shanahan couldn't deal with Thomas performance or celebration when Mike Sellers is constantly flexing after "he" believes he's done something spectacular. Shanahan might be a very good coach, even with the Super Bowl wins; but he's still human and is subjective to bias judgement... I believe releasing Thomas was foul based on the fact that he came in off-season & preseason and gave of himself and pride to be a factor on this team unlike Fatboy 92. I read this column in hopes there would be a surprising factor but if that's it then this article wasn't even needed. My 11 cents worth. Hope DT does more with his next opportunity, juror is still out on MS and his judgement.

Posted by: Ellic3 | October 11, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Thomas will not be missed.

Posted by: DCFanatic | October 11, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

So I've read through the comments, see valid viewpoints on both sides in some respects. The only thing I will add as it relates to the "showboating" aspect:

I don't know how many folks have noticed, but that while there is still endzone dances, and demonstrative exuberance during the game, it has appeared to be toned down, in particular Landry and Moss. After every first down, Santana used to do his first down shuffle (it has become a rarity). Landry makes so many plays now, if he demostrated after every one, he'd be tired off of celebrating alone. He seems too busy for that now. Armstrong? After a TD catch like that, go head and teach em how to Dougie.

But for Devin Thomas, if he was trying to get on the field and was (as reported above) making plays in practice, what is the need to try and show up your TEAMMATES with flexing and trash talk at that point in the week? I can't lie, if I were the coach, that would become grating very quickly and I would wonder, if he can't show a semblance of restraint in PRACTICE, what if he scores in the game? Will it be a 15yrd excessive celebration penalty? It might very well be about professionalism.

Hope Devin does well in Carolina.

Posted by: walkdwalk | October 11, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

There's no conspiracy theory here. The guy made a salary that most of us can only dream about and he slept through meetings. He was a bum from day 1 and the Skins couldn't get a day old ham sandwich in return from him in a trade. Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

Posted by: randysbailin | October 11, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I guess Moss and Sellers should be next, since they did plenty of showboating themselves Sunday.

Posted by: Redskinrex | October 11, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

What kind of small minded person celebrates after beating a teammate in practice? Really? I hate to see the Redskins lose DT's talent but sometimes the price is just too much to pay. And if he can't even make plays in practice without flexing and show up teammates, who's to say he won't cost you a game with an untimely 15-yard penalty?

Also, the fact that 31 teams passed on him while he was on waivers says a lot about DT.

Posted by: tundey | October 11, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Say what you will about him, Devin Thomas would help this team right now. I just don't understand how giving him one season would hurt. Just give him one season to put up stats and then ship him out. If he can help you win why not use him?

Posted by: eternale5150 | October 11, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Do you really bench a guy because he's a chest thumper?? Devin & Laron are no different in that regard!! Well I guess Landry doesn't model...

Posted by: wisdom80 | October 11, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

the only error made was wasting so much time in not dumping him sooner but I get it...team was trying to get something from someone as season wore on and other WRs starting going IR or waiver wire.......DT may amount to something someday but only from using this experience to start over and grow up and work. He wasn't ever gonna amount to anything here---anyone else think #12 is getting ansey now, squirming and knowing he gotta work his arse off when he's healthy to get ready for next year? Bet he comes back strong and IS a pro.........

Posted by: tabtool | October 11, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

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