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Posted at 11:30 AM ET, 12/ 1/2010

Redskins may see a familiar face Sunday

By Rick Maese

Reports out of New York suggest Giants receiver Steve Smith won't be able to play this week against Washington, which might increase the chances that the Redskins could see a familiar face this Sunday. The Giants ravaged receiving corps added former Redskin Devin Thomas last week.

Thomas didn't have much time to get acclimated and didn't play in the Giants' win over Jacksonville last Sunday, but he's hoping to see some time this Sunday against his former team.

"He came in late in the week and really didn't have much of a chance to get a whole lot of coach time," coach Tom Coughlin told Giants' reporters this week, according to the Newark Star-Ledger, "so we'll be able to spend a little bit more time with him."

The Giants currently have eight receivers on their roster. Mario Manningham and Derek Hagan likely would start and Michael Clayton should also play ahead of Thomas.

Reporters asked Thomas last Friday if he knew the Giants' Week 13 opponent. According to the Star-Ledger account, "Thomas said he didn't know -- but he wore a suggestive smile on his face at the moment."

"I'll be ready to play," Thomas said, according to the report. "That's for sure."

Thomas, one of Washington's second-round picks in 2008, was released by the Redskins on Oct. 9, after appearing in just four games as a kick returner. Carolina claimed him off waivers, but he appeared in just one game and still hasn't notched a single reception this season. The Panthers released him last week and the Giants claimed him off waivers.

"I just feel like different situations cause that to happen," Thomas said last week. "Things are a little bit unstable in Washington, and it didn't work out quite that well there. In Carolina, they have other issues to worry about other than receivers."

"I'm just thankful to be somewhere that's stable. ...a stable organization, a stable quarterback situation, and so it should be a good opportunity for me to come in and make some plays."

By Rick Maese  | December 1, 2010; 11:30 AM ET
Categories:  Devin Thomas  
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Comments

this is gonna be good....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 1, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

repost..

Classic case of a limited def coordinator forcing his scheme on the wrong personnel.
Successful coaches match the personnel to a scheme.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 1, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

If you are going to switch to 3-4 defense, better to switch now. Find out who can play scheme.

Better than continuing to play 4-3 while bringing in players suited for 3-4 defense.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 1, 2010 11:11 AM
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Better to "find out who can play the scheme" in the preseason.
Everyone in the league was scratching their heads when the Skins hired Haslett given that two thirds of the Skins overall payroll (ie. the Defense with Haynesworth at 100 million) had never played a 3-4 and were already considered in the top 10 of Defenses in the NFL as a 4-3.
Now that same highly ranked personnel in 2009 is listed dead last in 2010. A fact that would seem to point more to the new Def Coordinator and his "scheme", not the talent.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 1, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

hate to be in Danny's vip box if DT lights it up.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 1, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse


this is gonna be good....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 1, 2010 11:35 AM |

what's the big deal, DT will be going against the worse defense in the league. even if he "lights it up" he still sucks. let's see pretty boy go over the middle against the likes of the ravens or steelers

Posted by: hessone | December 1, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

If you are going to switch to 3-4 defense, better to switch now. Find out who can play scheme.

Better than continuing to play 4-3 while bringing in players suited for 3-4 defense.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 1, 2010 11:11 AM


Agreed. You don't change something by not changing it.

A quick review of the facts:

1. Shanahan studied the effectiveness of the 3-4 vs. the 4-3 during his time out of coaching, and determined that teams who run the 3-4 have an advantage.

2. Shanahan hired Haslett to install the 3-4, and to install it now so that, a. current personnel can be evaluated in the scheme to see if they can play it, and b. the players who are kept around next year will already have a year of experience in the system.

3. Because of 1 & 2 above, calls for Haslett's ouster are born out of ignorance, as he's doing exactly what he was hired to do.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 1, 2010 11:43 AM

Posted by: freakzilla | December 1, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Thomas has an inflated sense of self-worth and still, obviously, has a loser mentality by blaming the Skins and the QB for his failures - which are from his poor attitude.

Posted by: nativedc | December 1, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

this is gonna be good....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 1, 2010 11:35 AM |

what's the big deal, DT will be going against the worse defense in the league. even if he "lights it up" he still sucks. let's see pretty boy go over the middle against the likes of the ravens or steelers

Posted by: hessone | December 1, 2010 11:45 AM
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Past is prologue with DT... Most likely he'll pull up injured before the game is over.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 1, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I was talking about the responses being good...give it some time...its still percolating...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 1, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Nice try.

DT is on the Giants due to a perfect storm of injuries and the scheduling anomaly that has us playing the Giants 2X in the final 5 weeks.

IE he has been brought in as a practice player/warm body/let's see if he can remember any of the Shanahan playbook he never learned in the first place.

My guess is he is on the street inside 2 weeks.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 1, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Better to "find out who can play the scheme" in the preseason.
Everyone in the league was scratching their heads when the Skins hired Haslett given that two thirds of the Skins overall payroll (ie. the Defense with Haynesworth at 100 million) had never played a 3-4 and were already considered in the top 10 of Defenses in the NFL as a 4-3.
Now that same highly ranked personnel in 2009 is listed dead last in 2010. A fact that would seem to point more to the new Def Coordinator and his "scheme", not the talent.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 1, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

People complained about the Redskins D last year. So please save the highly ranked BS. Statistically they were good, but no one feared them.

Double move? that ring a bell?

I am not arguing they are good this year. My point is if you are switching to 3-4 better to do it now, they weren't going anywhere this year.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 1, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse


1. Shanahan studied the effectiveness of the 3-4 vs. the 4-3 during his time out of coaching, and determined that teams who run the 3-4 have an advantage.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 1, 2010 11:43 AM
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what are the advantages freak, because being dead last in defense shows a disadvantage, even if it's the first year running the 3-4. if going to the 3-4 with 4-3 personnel is the road the redskins are taking, then a rebuild will take more than 3 years between the offense and the defense

Posted by: hessone | December 1, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Well, at least we don't have to worry about Thomas giving the Giants any info on our Offense as an advantage, dude obviously didn't know the playbook. In fact, I'm not even sure if he can read.....

Posted by: monk811 | December 1, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Would be more than ironic if the Dude who fell into such disfavor with the current coaching staff because he just couldn't seem to "get it" with the routes and schemes here could suddenly turn into a productive receiver for a division rival -- and with only a week's worth of practice time too.

But fortunately, we have our own secret weapon – Roydell Williams.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 1, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

The defense was pitched as a hybrid and should have been played that way. 60-65% of snaps couldve been in a 4-3 and the evaluations could still be made without turning a top 10 D into a bottom 30 D.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

what are the advantages freak, because being dead last in defense shows a disadvantage, even if it's the first year running the 3-4. if going to the 3-4 with 4-3 personnel is the road the redskins are taking, then a rebuild will take more than 3 years between the offense and the defense

Posted by: hessone | December 1, 2010

A classic case of trying to re-invent the wheel when all it needed was some RIMS. There was no need to completely blow up that 4-3. Just add a little to it.

Scheme's should be built around your personnel.

Posted by: dcwun | December 1, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Hess, it's a long-term plan. As opposed to the short-term plans/free agent retirement funds we've seen over the years.

This whole "worst defense in the league" thing is bunk, since it's based on YPG. The defense, while not setting the world on fire, has done enough to keep us in most games. Heck, DHall himself was the difference in two of our wins.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 1, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"1. Shanahan studied the effectiveness of the 3-4 vs. the 4-3 during his time out of coaching, and determined that teams who run the 3-4 have an advantage."
Posted by: freakzilla | December 1, 2010 11:43 AM
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Dont you think, as you fall out of playoff contention and the Defense declines into a last ranked status, you start to rethink not matching your personnel to the scheme? Where is the "Advantage"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"2. Shanahan hired Haslett to install the 3-4, and to install it now so that, a. current personnel can be evaluated in the scheme to see if they can play it, and b. the players who are kept around next year will already have a year of experience in the system."
Posted by: freakzilla | December 1, 2010 11:43 AM

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So this year is just an extended Preseason. And the 3-4 in 2010 was just for personnel evaluation for 2011...???
I disagree.. I think Shanahan thought he would win with the 3-4, now. And for no other reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"3. Because of 1 & 2 above, calls for Haslett's ouster are born out of ignorance, as he's doing exactly what he was hired to do."
Posted by: freakzilla | December 1, 2010 11:43 AM

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No one has called for Haslett's firing.. Just that he be adaptable to his inherited personnel that were once part of a top ranked Defense in 08 and 09.

It wouldnt be a surprise though as the Skins pick through the detritus of a lost season with the highest Defensive payroll in the league, if Haslett isnt fired.
You can only use Haynesworth as a scapegoat for so long.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 1, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

People complained about the Redskins D last year. So please save the highly ranked BS. Statistically they were good, but no one feared them.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 1, 2010 11:44 AM

One reason they were good statistically last year was the weak schedule they faced. And even when they faced strong teams -- New Orleans, San Diego -- it was when they were playing their reserves, coasting into the playoffs. Last year's defense was 18th in the league in terms of points allowed per game. This year's defense is 21st -- just ahead of the Patriots -- so it's not much of a dropoff considering that they're learning a new defense.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 1, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe you fools are arguing that Haslett didn't match his "scheme" to his personnel.

Someone care to explain how we have a player in the statistical top 10 of the 3 major defensive categories (tackling, sacks, ints) for the first time in... time itself?

And if you think you have a legitimate argument, please take a deep breat, enter 4/12 and 5/6 into your calculator, and then slap the stupid off your foreheads.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 1, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

1. Shanahan studied the effectiveness of the 3-4 vs. the 4-3 during his time out of coaching, and determined that teams who run the 3-4 have an advantage.

"... ignorance, as he's doing exactly what he was hired to do."

Posted by: freakzilla |
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I have tried in vain, to make the same points, that the 3-4 defense is Shanahan's idea, not Haslett's.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 1, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Well, it's lucky for us Thomas never learned the playbook.

Posted by: grimesman | December 1, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

It wouldnt be a surprise though as the Skins pick through the detritus of a lost season with the highest Defensive payroll in the league, if Haslett isnt fired.
You can only use Haynesworth as a scapegoat for so long.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 1, 2010 12:17 PM

Can't tell what you're asserting with your double negative -- will you or won't you be surprised if Haslett is fired?

He's not going to be fired. Shanahan brought him in to install a new defense and to increase turnovers. He's done both of those things. The weak defense (just behind the Eagles and just ahead of the Patriots in points allowed) is a reflection of the personnel, not the scheme. Shanahan understands that, but maybe you don't?

Posted by: beep-beep | December 1, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

My point is if you are switching to 3-4 better to do it now, they weren't going anywhere this year.


I'd say the switch hasn't worked for a couple of reasonsm, all tied to poor decision-making on the part of the front office:

--they depended on Albert Haynesworth to be the stud, disruptive nose tackle needed to make a 3-4 work

--they didn't want to pay Joey Porter or Larry Foote good money to play outside linebacker opposite Brian Orakpo

--they honestly believed Andre Carter could be an outside linebacker, despite the history he had in San Fran where the same position change for him was made

What is really troubling about the defense is that unlike with other franchises (say Green Bay last year), it's not showing any sign of marked improvement.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we made the right decision moving on from devin, but him turning it around isn't out of the question at all. If you'd asked me 6 months ago who had a better chance of making a pro bowl, devin or B Lloyd, I'd have guessed devin. We see how that worked out...

Posted by: AdamCr | December 1, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Haloti Ngata is a free agent this year. Just saying.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 1, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Well, we came out in an unexpected wildcat last week on offense.

Maybe our gimmick this week would be to come out on defense in a 4-3. This would be a game that might really be ripe for a change-up.

Kind of like when Rocky Balboa, a southpaw, fought Apollo Creed right handed to start their re-match but then really sealed the deal switching back to his strength in one of the later rounds.

"Hey Rock, you have any brain damage?"

Rocky: "I don't see any."

How is that not a potentially perfect match for this team in its current state?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 1, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

The weak defense (just behind the Eagles and just ahead of the Patriots in points allowed) is a reflection of the personnel, not the scheme. Shanahan understands that, but maybe you don't?

Posted by: beep-beep | December 1, 2010 12:26 PM

I don't think the inept offense is doing the defense any favors either.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 1, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

If you'd asked me 6 months ago who had a better chance of making a pro bowl, devin or B Lloyd, I'd have guessed devin.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 1, 2010 12:32 PM

We would have asked you a different question: Who has a better chance of making the Pro Bowl during his years with the Redskins?

These guys are on different teams with different schemes. Also, maybe they've learned from their mistakes with the Redskins.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 1, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Past is prologue with DT... Most likely he'll pull up injured before the game is over.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 1, 2010 11:50 AM

Sometimes players need time to mature.

BLloyd's lack of production in burgundy and gold is nothing like what he's giving the Broncos this year.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 1, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"Just that he be adaptable to his inherited personnel that were once part of a top ranked Defense in 08 and 09. "

by onanygivensunday
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I agree with you, I think we all agree, but the choice is not Haslett's to make, it's Shanahan's. You all are getting annoyed with the wrong guy. Shanahan is forcing this 3-4 on the team, not Haslett (for the umpteenth time!).

The unwillingness to bend is on Shanahan.

I imagine that he cringes at the idea of letting A. Haynesworth appear to be right in his assessment of the 3-4.

If Haynesworth had not complained publicly about the scheme switch, he would have left Shanahan more wiggle room to adjust while saving face. When AH called out the 3-4 defense, he also called out Shanahan's decision-making ability, so Shanahan is going to stick it out w/ the 3-4. Sorry, folks.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 1, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Not really worried about DT on Sunday.

Really worried about the pass-rush and protecting McNabb, though.

Could get ugly...

Posted by: p1funk | December 1, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"Would be more than ironic if the Dude who fell into such disfavor with the current coaching staff because he just couldn't seem to "get it" with the routes and schemes here could suddenly turn into a productive receiver for a division rival -- and with only a week's worth of practice time too."

Posted by: Vic1 | December 1, 2010 12:04 PM

Yes, it would be a fricking miracle.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | December 1, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

“I just feel like different situations cause that to happen,” Thomas said last week of his transient career. “Things are a little bit unstable in Washington, and it didn’t work out quite that well there. In Carolina, they have other issues to worry about other than receivers.”

And he still doesn't get it...I hope he plays but I doubt it.

Amazing that people want to hold on to players that have 2+ years of giving us nothing and are worried that they will go somewhere else and "blow up". If they're not contributing here...Who gives a F what they do somewhere else.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 1, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Additions to PS...Beeps--->

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 1, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Haloti Ngata is a free agent this year. Just saying.

Posted by: Original_etrod
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If we were not rebuilding trying to get Ngata would be a good move, but the Ravens aren't going to let him go, his possible replacement, Alabama rookie Terrance Cody has barely played and probably hasn't given their front office any confidence that he could take over for Ngata.
The better move might be to go for Cody, however these Crimson Tide fatboys haven't impressed-they barely stay on the field (Andre Smith-Bengals).
If Ngata were to become a free agent, expect the Steelers to go at him hard, Casey Hampton isn't getting any younger.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 1, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Complaints that the 3-4 should be scrapped or never even instituted here because the personnel doesn't match is one of the most retarded arguments I have ever heard.

The team went 4-12 last year which was actually pretty amazing given the personnel and coaching staff. Who cares that we "used to have a top 5 or 10 defense, statistically". We were STILL LOSING. I remember plenty of blowouts - that had nothing to do with the lousy offense - under Gregg Williams.

Why do we celebrate the hiring of real, proven football people (Allen, Shanny Sr./Jr. and Hazlenutt) and then rip them less than one full season in because so many feel we'd be a winner with our crappy roster by choosing a different scheme?

We got the GM, the coach, the OC and the DC and now it's going to take at least another year or two to beef up the roster/personnel.

Next year we'll have a 1st round QB and the offense and defense will have been in place for a full year. Fill the gaps and improve. It can happen with this staff.

Another year like this one in terms of "discovering" talent (AA, BB, KW, ATV, et al) - which is something completely new to this regime - and we'll be more than on our way.

Chin up biotches.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 1, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

It's always anoying coming on RI after a skins loss. It's like showing up in an even more twisted version of Wonderland with HOARDS of Red Queens, all of them impulsively and petulantly screaming "Off with their heads!!". It's a good thing that none of those Queens are running the Redskins, 'cause if they were things would be ten times worse than they have been under Snider.

Anyone with half a brain should have realized before the season to expect exactly the type of year the Skins are having. The personell issues that we have were completely obvious before the season even started.

Yes, defensively, our talent is more suited to playing a 4-3, but that is no reason to stick with it. In fact, I think that this was a perfect season to make the change. Even if we had stuck with a 4-3, the expectations for a playoff season this year would have been LOW. The deficiencies in the O-line, WR's, and RB's made expectations of a strong offensive performance unreasonable for this year.

It's best to make a major change in that type of season, where the growing pains associated with the change are not negatively impacting the team's playoff chances in any significant way. Better to find out NOW who fits the new system and who needs to be replaced. The team will be better off in the long run with the knowledge gained this year.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 1, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

This is a post where the writer should have inserted a bit of opinion/fact - i.e. it's very common for an opposing team to sign someone off of the other team's roster a week prior to the game... as in- this happens every single week in the NFL - across all teams - and shouldn't be taken any other way in this situation. They bring him in, interview him for cues/plays, then cut him within the next few weeks. Come'on. Everyone knows this is what happens, right? Do all of you comment-donks seriously think he will see playing time and will "light it up" as one of you said? child please.

Posted by: mountjacksonmudcats | December 1, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Devin will be a Giant just long enough to help them with our playbook, & then be given his walking papers. Again.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | December 1, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Devin will be a Giant just long enough to help them with our playbook, & then be given his walking papers. Again.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | December 1, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

lol....he couldn't learn the playbook when he was here. Why would the Giants think he can help them with it?

Posted by: jdumb | December 1, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have cornered the market on allowing other teams and players to have career making days, (especially at the jinxed FedEx dog house)so DT can look forward to locking a roster spot with the Giants after this Sunday. Dan S is once again going to be forced to open his check book. There are too many needs and not enough draft picks....or we can just continue this mess.

Posted by: MTalleyMon | December 1, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

It didn't help that the one year Snyder took the advice and allowed Vinny to keep the draft picks and make the selections the team seemed to waste all the picks.

If 2008 had been what it should have been, a year where THREE #2 picks came in and became starters and made a contribution, the Redskins WOULD be a playoff contender right now at 7-4 or 8-3 instead of an also-ran at 5-6.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | December 1, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I anticipate seeing Thomas go deep on the Giants first play and catch a 75 yd td pass from Eli.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 1, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

so why didn't we sign westbrook, who just had a hundred yard running game?

Posted by: rehundt | December 1, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

1. Shanahan studied the effectiveness of the 3-4 vs. the 4-3 during his time out of coaching, and determined that teams who run the 3-4 have an advantage.

Therein lies the problem. During that time out of coaching, he also determined that Joey Galloway, Larry Johnson, the other old RB, Lichenbutt and others were top tier players. Shanahan's study of the 3-4 should have also led him to the conclusion that you only have an advantage if you have the personnel to run it. Shanny has missed on so many counts since his return to coaching that he is approaching Zorn-like status. Yet, so many Skin's fan continue to give him a pass as if he is Vince Lombardi/Joe Gibbs. He was unemployed for a reason...

Posted by: SPUD2 | December 1, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

you fools. if you think anyone in the NFL cannot learn a playbook you are morons. the issue wasn't really about him. it was setting a tone and atmosphere that this was shanahan's team. this is like a lion comong to take over a new pride. he banishes or kills all the males. shanahan ridded the team of the old regime's alleged prize.

Posted by: simplewords999 | December 1, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

What will be worse than seeing DT being used by the Giants with quick hitch passes by Eli Manning and lighting the Redskins up with huge YAC is the fact that Joey Galloway is also waved. Wasn't DT released because he was not professional enough and yet Galloway was kept until released because he was more professional but less talented. Now the Redskins are short 2 receivers and crying about lack of talent on offense. At worse, DT should have been kept as a back up running back based on the simplicity of the position. Stupid, idiotic, arrogant and dumb all come to mind!

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 1, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

What I like about Kyle Shanahan is he got where he is through hard work, without any help from anyone!

Posted by: josettes | December 2, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

"I just feel like different situations cause that to happen... Things are a little bit unstable in Washington, and it didn't work out quite that well there. In Carolina, they have other issues to worry about other than receivers... I'm just thankful to be somewhere that's stable. A stable organization, a stable quarterback situation, and so it should be a good opportunity for me to come in and make some plays."

This is by far the most intelligent and humble thing I have ever heard come out of Devin Thomas' mouth. Maybe being fired by two of the worst teams in the NFL has caused him to do some introspection. I didn't think he was capable.

I really, really, hope he doesn't torch us this weekend. I will literally throw up.

Just the thought that this dude will turn out to be another Brandon Lloyd turns my stomach.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | December 2, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

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