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Report: Redskins shopping WR Devin Thomas

Since training camp, it has been apparent that Coach Mike Shanahan and offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan do not believe wide receiver Devin Thomas is a good fit for their long-term plans.

Citing a source, the National Football Post is reporting that the Redskins are shopping Thomas in advance of the October trading deadline. During the offseason, teams did inquire about Thomas's availability, according to two people familiar the situation.

Thomas has been effective on kickoff returns and he has handled his difficult situation professionally. The third-year player might benefit from a change in scenery. It seems Mike Shanahan is trying to make that happen.


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By Jason Reid  | October 4, 2010; 1:01 PM ET
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We won't get more than a 5th or 6th for him.....

I'm hoping we get a reclaimation project of a NT in return, so AH92 can go back to playing DT/DE.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 4, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Put out a league-wide memo offering DT11 for any backup O or D lineman that is at least 6'4 and over 300lbs. and call it a day.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 4, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

why didn't they trade him during the offseason when he had some value, instead of letting him rot on the bench, and devaluing him?? good plan...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Good grief... How is it possible they don't want him? He was a beast at times last year - what are their plans going forward? Are they expecting a great crop of receivers in next year's draft?

Posted by: crashinghero | October 4, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

disappointing...

Posted by: psps23 | October 4, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we can get a bag of skittles or something?

Posted by: Scoonie97 | October 4, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Gee, I wonder who the source was on that.

That fatazz, non-athletic NFL beat reporter, Jason LaCanOfSoda?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 4, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Re: Heyer

Heyer is a backup, and he needs to be treated/thought of as a backup. Which means when he's forced to start and play the whole game we need to scheme to give him help in pass-pro so he doesn't get so many holding calls. THe false starts are on him.


Re: DT11

Shanny is clearly a "practice" Nazi. You need to practice great in order to get PT (see Albert Haynesworth). DT11 has all the makings of a guy who doesn't show really great in practice, but can show up in a game and make plays. Where does that leave his future? Beats me.


Re: Ryan Torain nick-names

The Torain-Train
Reign of Torain

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Thomas has been effective on kickoff returns...

By Jason Reid | October 4, 2010; 1:01 PM ET

Among guys with four or more returns, he's 7th in the league with a 28.0 yard average. Cartwright's average last year was 22.3.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Holding is one thing. Failing to remember the snap count is just f u c k i n g stupid.

Heyer makes these mistakes week in and week out.

Heyer is stupid, and I'd rather he not play another down for the Redskins. Ever.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 4, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Kaneohe, I agree with you most of the time. But you have to remember(I'm sure you have missed this one) that Heyer is a backup. We don't have a better backup OT than Heyer. So we shouldn't get rid of him, unless and until we have a better one. Heyer looked like a backup, but at least DMac survived the game, and we did get some good push from our OL.

What I haven't seen being mentioned was that we didn't hear anything about Wil Montgomery, even tho he played the 4th Q. And when an OL doesn't get mentioned, that's a good thing.

Heyer was mentioned 4 times, 3 for penalties, and once for a key block on Torain's TD. Not bad for a backup. I'm glad we have Heyer. The alternative could be a lot worse.


Posted by: frediefritz | October 4, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

They have the shortest receiving core in nfl history and now there trading there fastest wr and biggest wr on the team, I hope and pray that mcnabb dosent sign a extension, redskins havent been relevant none this decade yet they have the oldest team in the nfl(puzzling) Cardinals or Vikings or the deadskins, Adrian peterson Larry Fitzgerald or joey Galloway Mcnabb has better alternatives in free agency.

Posted by: fbelton | October 4, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Can we trade him to Philly for DeSean Jackson? Because that's who we should have drafted at the time. More examples of Vinny's idiocy. Thomas had one good season in college for an average team and suddenly he was a beast?

Posted by: Section104 | October 4, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse


They have the shortest receiving core in nfl history and now there trading there fastest wr and biggest wr on the team, I hope and pray that mcnabb dosent sign a extension, redskins havent been relevant none this decade yet they have the oldest team in the nfl(puzzling) Cardinals or Vikings or the deadskins, Adrian peterson Larry Fitzgerald or joey Galloway Mcnabb has better alternatives in free agency.

Posted by: fbelton | October 4, 2010 1:16 PM

I couldn't have said it better myself...oh wait...

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

For everyone complaining about Heyer:
He's a backup, why can't you understand that. If he makes it through a whole game at the incredibly difficult position of LEFT TACKLE with only a couple of holds and a false start, that's OK in my book. Because he's a BACK-UP PLAYER.

Do you people honestly expect us to have TWO great starting left tackles? Does any team have TWO starting left tackles with one on the bench? Give the guy a break, geez.

Posted by: rexforab | October 4, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Trade him for line depth, then trade a line man for a WR prospect...

Posted by: alex35332 | October 4, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Banks leads the league in punt returns, averaging 25 yards on three returns. ARE? Yeah, he's number 46 in the league with a return average of 3.9 yards. This is a sharp dropoff from his last year with the 'Skins when his average was 6.0 yards. (I don't believe it either, but I got it from NFL.com, unless I'm reading the wrong column.)

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

according to the article what are they asking for him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I have no sympathy for people who half-ass it on their job, whatever it is they do...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2010 1:07 PM

I think you just dissed 90% of us here Red.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, don't let what I actually SAID get in your way of trying to validate your lame ass argument.

I said "In two starts". That means STARTS, you know that cool graphic they show at the beginning of the game with the STARTERS faces on it?


So it stands: SIX penalties in TWO starts.

And just in case you didn't know. While he maybe listed as playing in four games, those are the games that he was active. He may have not or may have got on the field in the first two games... maybe even played a little bit on the line, but he did not START. And that was the point I was making, genius. SIX penalties in TWO starts is inexcusable. Accept it and deal with it!

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

--------


Heyer makes big mistakes at the worst moments, that is all too true. Still, what is there really to argue about? He is what we have, and I'm not satisfied there are other options any better just hanging by the phone.

Was hoping DT would stay and learn the offense. I'll be disappointed if he's traded, but that is how it goes when there is such major change at the top.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 4, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

2010 Redkins MVPplayaaas so far

LaRon Landry

Lorenzo Alexander,----i can't begin to say how happy i am with his play, he plays tough and this year he seems to be around the ball all the time, both D and speacial teams, im not saying he's gonna be a pro bowler, but great football outta this guy so far

Brian Orakpo

Donovan McNabb

Posted by: retroskins14 | October 4, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

why didn't they trade him during the offseason when he had some value, instead of letting him rot on the bench, and devaluing him?? good plan...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse


Why did we hold onto Larry johnson, practice squad Torain, 53-man Keiland Williams and Brandon Banks, then cut Larry johnson, sign Torain, cut banks, practice squad banks, cut K.Williams, and 53-man banks?

Why did we open a LG competition spot at the cusp of the season opener?

Why did we bring in a 3-4 coach when our defensive personnell and our most talented/expensive defensive player are 4-3 guys?

Why did we go into the season with one free saftey on the roster?


...because Shanny-as-GM-and-personnel-decision-maker leaves alot to be desired.

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Trade him for Lee Evans.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 4, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

according to the article what are they asking for him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 1:20 PM |

Greg--No indication. They're just making calls to see if they can generate interest.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd 25 for 454 and 1 TD –- 2010
Devin Thomas 40 for 445 and 3 TD -- CAREER

Hate to see a repeat of this if Thomas gets traded.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | October 4, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Teams trade for players at this time of the year to fill needs for the rest of the season...not for projects...I can't see anyone pulling the trigger at this point, unless they sorely need a returner.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Funny all this crying over a guy who hasn't produced sh_t, under either coaching staff he was with.

And until a true source reports this I would believe about as much as I believe my wife had a headache last night.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 4, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd 25 for 454 and 1 TD –- 2010
Devin Thomas 40 for 445 and 3 TD -- CAREER

Hate to see a repeat of this if Thomas gets traded.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | October 4, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

My candidates:

Minnesota, San Diego, Oakland, Seattle


Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I love how some here think the 'Skins are so good they can start cutting offensive linemen. Dude, he's a stop gap and this team aint going to the SB even IF they make the playoffs.

Be happy dude. We're atop first place and I am almost positive more division wins are to be had this year. Chill out and bask in it a little. God knows, we haven't had much to bask in over the last couple years.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 4, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I love how some here think the 'Skins are so good they can start cutting offensive linemen. Dude, he's a stop gap and this team aint going to the SB even IF they make the playoffs.

Be happy dude. We're atop first place and I am almost positive more division wins are to be had this year. Chill out and bask in it a little. God knows, we haven't had much to bask in over the last couple years.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 4, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Since we are trading everyone why not trade Orakpo and Landry to some team for their 7th rd picks for the next 10 years. Shanahan is a blow hard still not impressed another win. We'll trade DT for like a 6th rd pick or something stupid yet we have the worst receiving group in the NFL. Just put the dude on the field for 1 game guarantee he out plays the rest of the receivers minus Moss.

Posted by: Joker99z | October 4, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

1. GB at home. Winnable, but Redskins will be a home dog. Having Trent and KMo both back at the same time will help. An uphill fight... and the Philly D plan may be instructive as a way to slow down Rodgers wheeling and dealing. GB oline is vulnerable and could be their achilles.

2. Colts at home. Houston showed how to beat the Colts. Crank up the Freight Torrain. Redskins have the personnel to follow the plan. Colts D is vulnerable. Can the D do enough to contain Peyton?

3. Bears at Chicago. Bears were exposed for the frauds they are two weeks running. Somehow, GB managed to lose to them on the road. 18 penalties will do that. If Rak and crew don't get 6 sacks, something is wrong. I can't see the Bears mustering more than 10 points. CR and DH lock it down, bring the house to harass Cutler into submission.

4. Lions at Detroit. Lions are good enough to play with any team at home. Won't quit. Jansen is gone so they can't play the win one for Jonny card. Stafford will likely be back and back in form after having a game or two under his belt. Winnable. Also losable, like the Rams game.

I say 3-1.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 4, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I love how some here think the 'Skins are so good they can start cutting offensive linemen. Dude, he's a stop gap and this team aint going to the SB even IF they make the playoffs.

Be happy dude. We're atop first place and I am almost positive more division wins are to be had this year. Chill out and bask in it a little. God knows, we haven't had much to bask in over the last couple years.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 4, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Hate to see a repeat of this if Thomas gets traded.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | October 4, 2010 1:25 PM

Why? Thomas can't get it done here. Why don't you want him to have success somewhere else. Do you believe that a player who works poorly in one system shouldn't be able to succeed in any system?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rexforab | October 4, 2010 1:19 PM

It's like some of you have reading comp issues, have selective reading, or don't read at all.

No one says the guy should be or needs to be great, but even LTs who aren't great don't get a fhucking pass for THREE penalties -- one on the Eagles 3, the other coming under 4 minutes in a 17-12 game!

What about that are you Heyer apologist aren't understanding here? FHUCK!


No one said that you're going to have all-pro players at every position, but that doesn't mean Heyer gets a pat on his shoulder because he's a back up playing the vaarwee, varawee hard position of left tackle.

Get the fhuck outta here with the DUMB blind eye coddling sh*t!

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

This would be another idiotic personel move. I love my Skins but come on its not like our roster is full of quality WRs. What type of upside do you see from Roydell Williams or Joey Galloway who maybe in retirement within 3 years. Then again these unnamed sources (undercover Dallas Fans) always seem to put these rumors out after we win a game hoping we will implode. Lookout for the upcoming Haynesworth rumor next.

Posted by: RealOne1 | October 4, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

The Gran Torain-o

Re: Ryan Torain nick-names

The Torain-Train
Reign of Torain

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ash10 | October 4, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

What kinda ham sandwiches does Oakland have laying around in the fridge?

I'm sure JC would just love to have DT join him and the rockstar in the wasteland by the bay.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 4, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

And until a true source reports this I would believe about as much as I believe my wife had a headache last night.

Posted by: Flounder21

LMAO!!!!!

Posted by: jm220 | October 4, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Re: Ryan Torain nick-names

The Torain-Train
Reign of Torain

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

How about "To-Train" ?

Posted by: demonj21 | October 4, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

What kinda ham sandwiches does Oakland have laying around in the fridge?

I'm sure JC would just love to have DT join him and the rockstar in the wasteland by the bay.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 4, 2010 1:29 PM |

So they can sit on the bench together.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 4, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Do you believe that a player who works poorly in one system shouldn't be able to succeed in any system?

dt works poorly in this system?? Really?? how do you know??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

No, I just don't want it at our expense.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | October 4, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

dt works poorly in this system?? Really?? how do you know??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 1:31 PM |

I would think that the coaches see him in it everyday, if they don't want him then there must be a reason.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 4, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

POST OF THE DAY:


I have no sympathy for people who half-ass it on their job, whatever it is they do...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2010 1:07 PM

I think you just dissed 90% of us here Red.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 1:21 PM

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 4, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 4, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

1) GB can't run the ball, which will make them one-dimensional...though that one dimension is really really effective. Need to get pressure with a 4 man rush, the way we did yesterday.

2) Colts just can;t play D. Need to out-gun them somehow. Repeat performance of our game versus Houston, except we hold onto the lead in the end.

3) Chicago. Pulease. Fraudulent. Dial-up the pass-rush.

4) Detroit. Tricky. Stafford may be back. We tend to suck against teams that "suck".

It would really really help the cause if our home games versus Indy and GB were BAD WEATHER games.

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse


why didn't they trade him during the offseason when he had some value, instead of letting him rot on the bench, and devaluing him?? good plan...

What value ? dude sucks or he'd be on the field.

cerrato's class of 2008 IS A BUST. all three draft picks are BUST, but don't take it from me, unless you're brain-dead or just flat out in freaking denial.

Posted by: hessone | October 4, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Re: Ryan Torain nick-names

Can't we just go with ATV and move on??

Posted by: shyde13 | October 4, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"We won't get more than a 5th or 6th for him (DT)...."


Who moves to take on an offensive skill player at game 5 who hasn't proven himself?

And if you haven't but the kid on the field to display his wares, why would someone else trade for what essentially is an unknown quantity?

In MLB, when a team wants to move a player, they showcase him in various ways to attract potential trading partners.

In with this thought in mind, perhaps the team should've been giving DT on field time to inflate is value.

Or: find that he does indeed have a place on the team that's not a bench.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse


beep-beep = confutation

Posted by: hessone | October 4, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

p1,

This roster was a mess when Shanny got here and he is still trying to figure things out. Thanks to Vinny for that but let's not dwell in the past. Shanny will be tweaking the roster a lot to see what we have, and so far they have made some good choices.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 4, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen any explanation for the Eagles melt-down at the end of the half.

I couldn't believe they spent a time-out after a long challenge play. Especially when you figure that it was either a TD (and you don't need to make a decision) or the ball inside the 1 (and you should make that decision ten seconds into the challenge).

I couldn't believe they had a delay of game after a challenge and a time out.

I've never seen a time mismanage time like that. Even for Andy Reid that was bad.

Anyone seen any explanation???

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 4, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse


1. GB at home. Winnable, but Redskins will be a home dog.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 4, 2010 1:27 PM |


HAHAHA. Home dog? When you lost to the Rams and sit in the cellar of the major statistical categories, league-wide....WHO WILL WE BE FAVORED AGAINST?

Here's the good news....

Any team in the NFC can lose to the Skins this year. My keys to a big win next week?:

-Start the All-Torain Vehicle and get him a minimum of 25 carries

-Start DT11 and just have the dude run deep

-Keep Carter off the field save for obvious passing downs

-Use Banks for ALL kick/punt returns

-Spray Double-Move's hands with 'stickum'

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 4, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

dt works poorly in this system?? Really?? how do you know??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 1:31 PM |

The guy was a starter last year. The coaches have spent plenty of time working with him -- particularly McCardell -- and they won't trust him to play. Now they would rather trade him than work with him any further. That's my idea of someone who doesn't fit in this system.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

flound, I think shanny's stubborn, and I think he don't like DT for whatever reason...why does banks go from PS to the 53, and get 2 passes in the first game he's active....Its not like the WR on this team are wearing opposing defenses out...what could be the harm in giving DT a shot....Shanny don't like him, and wants him gone....this is all about shanny's ego to me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

p1,

This roster was a mess when Shanny got here and he is still trying to figure things out. Thanks to Vinny for that but let's not dwell in the past. Shanny will be tweaking the roster a lot to see what we have, and so far they have made some good choices.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 4, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse


This is Obama's economy, my friend...

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

If the report on DT is true, I find it bizarre.

Let the cat play WR in a few games before deciding you want to ditch him.

Galloway and Roydell aren't contributing jack, which in turn makes it easier for opposing defenses to simply key in on Santana.

I like Armstrong, but if he or Santana get injured, then what?

Perhaps Shanahan is waiting for Plaxico to get out of jail. Who knows.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 4, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

In with this thought in mind, perhaps the team should've been giving DT on field time to inflate is value.

Or: find that he does indeed have a place on the team that's not a bench.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 1:37 PM |

Maybe they were thinking if they put him on the field it would diminish his value to other teams.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 4, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Players we should be trading: Andre Carter, Derick Dockery(if were not gonna play him).

Player we shouldn't trade: Ahay, DT, CC

Posted by: Stu27 | October 4, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Re: Ryan Torain nick-names

The Torain-Train
Reign of Torain

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

How about "To-Train" ?

Posted by: demonj21 | October 4, 2010 1:31 PM

Ryan Makin' It Torain

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 4, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

why didn't they trade him during the offseason when he had some value, instead of letting him rot on the bench, and devaluing him?? good plan...

What value ? dude sucks or he'd be on the field.

Posted by: hessone | October 4, 2010 1:35 PM |

No, Greg has a point. The story was that around the time of the draft the 'Skins were getting calls asking whether they'd be willing to trade Thomas. So, he did have value then.

Obviously they thought then that they could make him a player, or they would have traded him. Now they realize they were wrong and they're trying to cut their losses. Or, more accurately, trade their losses before they cut him.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Anyone seen any explanation???

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 4, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse


Andy Reid called a time out. When its inside 2 minutes, it is a 30-second timeout, not a full time out.

Andy then spent the balance of that time out talking to the officials about where the ball was being placed.

By the time he finished that convo and could focus on getting the play in to Kolb, the play clock had already been running.

Because Kolb had his head up his backside, he never glanced at the play clock when he was on the field.

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

beantown

You are so right..Shanny's stubbornness is why DT hasn't played, practice has nothing to do with it.

He's going to try to trade a kid without putting him in a game to see if he can do something other than return kicks.

Amazing...

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

cerrato's class of 2008 IS A BUST. all three draft picks are BUST, but don't take it from me, unless you're brain-dead or just flat out in freaking denial.


consider the following:

Shanny could have cut MK, but chose to IR him
Fred Davis is one of the starting TE's on this team.
Shanny could have cut DT but chose to keep him, and is returning kicks...

don't let those facts get in your way...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

who would want devin thomas? what could you get for him?

nobody
nothing

Posted by: slim4 | October 4, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Re: Torain nicknames -

Anyone say All Torain Vehicle yet? ATV

Posted by: paperwc | October 4, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

If we are lucky, there is only one nick name we should hope for for Ryan:

Runaway Torain

Here's to him earning it.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | October 4, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

DT never rightfully earned his way onto this team - why is everyone defending him? Word around the locker has always been that he doesn't have a strong work ethic. That doesn't sound related to Shanny's ego.

Posted by: pgugino | October 4, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

I don't think it has anything to do with Shanny's ego because he hates AH but he's playing.

I think DT11 just sucks and isn't showing them that he deserves playing time.

They should have traded him before the offseason that I agree with but I guess they thought they could coach him up.

We don't even know that this stroy is true so either way trade him or keep him I don't care.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 4, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

this is all about shanny's ego to me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 1:38 PM

Or about shanny's judgment of players. God knows Shanahan couldn't tell a quality WR from a used postage stamp. Gotta rely on Beantowngreg for these judgments because he has no ego.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

cerrato's class of 2008 IS A BUST. all three draft picks are BUST, but don't take it from me, unless you're brain-dead or just flat out in freaking denial.


consider the following:

Shanny could have cut MK, but chose to IR him
Fred Davis is one of the starting TE's on this team.
Shanny could have cut DT but chose to keep him, and is returning kicks...

don't let those facts get in your way...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse


Kareem Moore is our starting FS

Chris Horton is on the 53-man.

I believe those guys were '08 picks.

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Torain:

First of all, mine were the bomb. Here are a couple additions:

-Singing in Torain

-Torain to-reign as the king of gain

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 4, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

FedEx field is Torrain terrain. That's all I'm gonna say about that.

***SPECIAL***
One slightly used receiver. Returns kicks. Biggish. Too many tats. Kinda silly.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 4, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

flound, ah is playing because they realized that he's BY FAR the best defensive linemen they had, to to hold him back further, was to cut off their nose to spite their face...

what I don't get is that this offense isn't exactly flourishing...so what would be the harm in getting DT in there?? thats the part to me that makes no sense....JGalloway/RWilliams contributed what 1 catch yesterday...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Ole choppers knows when you win a division game it gives a coach a cushion, that can be used to try a different gameplan or make tough or unpopular personnel decisions.

my players of the game: Portis, Haynesworth, Rogers, Torain

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 4, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I should start working for the Post...

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Kareem Moore is our starting FS

Chris Horton is on the 53-man.

I believe those guys were '08 picks.

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Horton makes it next year, and Moore better not get injured or he's out on his azz too.

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Re: DT11

There's really not much of an excuse for him. He's not impressed 2 coaching staffs enough to really beat out mediocre competition in front of him.

All the athleticism in the world, but not cut out to learn the craft of playing WR at the pro level.

Not the first time we've seen this with WRs. Won't be the last.

IMO, we're bascially talking about Marko Mitchell, except DT11 had the "pedigree" of Mich.State instead of Nevada-Schmucksville (or wherever MM went).

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

BTW:

Welcome back, Flouder21.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Memo to the DT fan club:

What if it's as simple as the guy can't play. He had 10 starts (25 catches) last year and has had all of OTAs, practice, etc to rise above 5th string and he hasn't. They'll try to trade him and if they can't, they will probably cut him. It doesn't mean that beantowngreg has to take his poster off his wall or that it makes him less dreamy.

You know...

Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

That dog won't fish.

Dumb as a box of dull hammers.

Take up a new cause...Like BB16 in for DT on Kickoffs, LO in permanently for AC99, a new punter, or even the AH92 needs more playing time argument.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 4, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

God knows Shanahan couldn't tell a quality WR from a used postage stamp.

yeah, I mean, Galloway was cut by NE last year, they thought he was done, and boy has he proven that idiot Belicheck wrong....he's turned back the clock....what is he up to 4 catchs?? And that Roydell Williams is gonna fetch us a 1st rounder, i can just feel it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Ole choppers knows when you win a division game it gives a coach a cushion, that can be used to try a different gameplan or make tough or unpopular personnel decisions.

my players of the game: Portis, Haynesworth, Rogers, Torain

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 4, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Rogers?!?! Is that an f-ing joke? We almost lost the game cause once again he can catch a ball that is in his hands.

I agree with the other 3. May want to add in Lorenzo Alexander. He was a beast yesterday.

Posted by: ash10 | October 4, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

None of us have the opportunity to actually see Thomas failing in practice, or not putting in the effort to learn the playbook.

What we can see is that his kick returns are good, and what I saw last year was that he was a great YAK receiver. You were all excited when he got the ball in his hands last year, don't lie.

I was really rooting for him to get some playing time, and I'd rather practice squad him and hope he gets better than trade him for a low draft pick or a backup player. Personally I'd just put him on the field and give him a shot. Maybe he's just a raw talent sort of guy and just doesn't study well.

I think putting more time and effort into Thomas has a much higher long term upside than giving that playing time to the old veterans. We hardly throw to those guys anyway, so if they're just occupying the corners, I think DT can handle that.

Posted by: rexforab | October 4, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

What could they hope to get for him? And they can't try throwing this guy an endzone fade once or twice?

They don't have enough depth to dump a receiver or a lineman. Not a good move unless some dumdum GM makes a Vinny-move.

Posted by: kahlua87 | October 4, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Take up a new cause...Like BB16 in for DT on Kickoffs, LO in permanently for AC99, a new punter, or even the AH92 needs more playing time argument.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 4, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

All valid causes Diez.

If DT gets traded, we either see Banks returning kicks, or possible Terrence Austin brought up.

LO started yesterday instead of Carter. Good sign.

Bidwell? How does something go "pop" in his hip, but they still expect him to punt well?

AH will get more PT, b/c Haslett/Shanny are starting to remove their heads from their own backsides and realize this defense needs more 4-3 looks to be effective.

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I think you just dissed 90% of us here Red.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 1:21 PM

I take exception to that. I can multitask really well! For instance, I can work, call someone a NERD, and argue with a STUPID poster all at once.

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

DEVIN THOMAS leaving? That's because the coaching staff recognizes the error of their ways and has 'TD' MARKO ready to return.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 4, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

yeah, I mean, Galloway was cut by NE last year, they thought he was done, and boy has he proven that idiot Belicheck wrong....he's turned back the clock....what is he up to 4 catchs?? And that Roydell Williams is gonna fetch us a 1st rounder, i can just feel it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 1:55 PM

And Devin Thomas can't beat out either of them. Not much of a recommendation for DT, is it?

You know, if either Keenan McCardell or Kyle Shanahan were convinced that DT could contribute, the 'Skins wouldn't be shopping the guy. They'd work him into the game plan. I think you need all three of them -- McCardell and the two Shanahans -- to give up on the guy before you start asking "What would you gimme....?"

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

DT fan club = Biggest NERDS Ever!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"...because Shanny-as-GM-and-personnel-decision-maker leaves alot to be desired.

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse"

Wait, was this post serious?

Typical DC fan response.

Shanahan finds a viable threat as an RB from a player that's been cast aside as an afterthought on the free agent list for the last 2 years, a dynamic returner from an undrafted FA WR, a LG that's helped reinvigorate a recently deceased running game from a long list of thought-to-be busted draft picks outside of DC, and found a 3-4 defense that has held our 2 divisional opponents to a combined 19 points against us despite not fitting our best personnel.

Only in DC is that a GM-and-personnel-decision-maker that leaves a lot to be desired. It's not good enough to have the vision to find these guys, we wanted these guys to be playing last year, damnit!

Next thing you know, Shanahan is going to be criticized for making Alexander an OLB/DE/DT in the 3-4.

Posted by: psps23 | October 4, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I take exception to that. I can multitask really well! For instance, I can work, call someone a NERD, and argue with a STUPID poster all at once.

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 2:00 PM

I know monk...you are in the special 10%...is STUPID some new material you came up with over the weekend? I like it.

I wonder if anyone is kicking DT's tires as we speak?

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

They may be able to get a towel for him.

Posted by: BarackObama | October 4, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Dear RI,

I like Lorenzo Alexander. I like how he keeps his mouth shut, stayes modest when he does speak and enthusiastically took to his role as a backup and standout special-teamer. Now, he has shown through his play that he warrants consideration as a full-time starter. When his contract is up, pay the man what he has demonstrated his worth to be with the undertanding that some of that might be a little payback for over-achieving in his first couple years. Show the other young Redskins coming up that a lesser known talent CAN become as important to the team as any other high-priced free agents. Don't let the man go after all he's learned and done.

Sincerely,

Antonio Pierce

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 4, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if anyone is kicking DT's tires as we speak?

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 2:03 PM

I'm sure that Jim Zorn is trying to get the Ravens to trade for him. "I had him last year. He was a beast."

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

What we can see is that his kick returns are good, and what I saw last year was that he was a great YAK receiver.

Posted by: rexforab | October 4, 2010 1:58 PM

Yes he's been good on KRs and NO he wasn't great last year.

If he was great he would see more playing time than a 39 yr old, a 27 year old rookie, and a below average journeyman.

He's nothing but a 6'2 4.40 physical and athletic specimen that hasn't gotten "it" and probably won't while he's here.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 4, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse


don't let those facts get in your way...

i'm not bean, you just think that a guy going into his third year like dt11 needs a chance to play and the coaches don't know what they're doing. it all makes sense to me know.

Posted by: hessone | October 4, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Not very happy about this rumor, but as many have said on here, very few players from a 4-12 team are safe.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 4, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

This Heyer is a backup nonsense doesn't make any sense. Would you be able to use that excuse for any other position? If a "backup" WR drops makeable catches or has penalties called against him is it because he is a backup? A RB fumbles a couple times its because he's a backup? A DE hits the QB late its because he's a backup? Give me a break! If it wasn't for the lack of depth coming into the season Heyer would be a backup at Dominos Pizza!

Posted by: ga8085 | October 4, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

i'm not bean, you just think that a guy going into his third year [and has already started 11 games] like dt11 needs a chance to play and the coaches don't know what they're doing.

Posted by: hessone | October 4, 2010 2:07 PM

There. Embellished it for ya.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I know monk...you are in the special 10%...is STUPID some new material you came up with over the weekend? I like it.

I wonder if anyone is kicking DT's tires as we speak?

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I might start working in STUPID, just cause it's funny, but I'm mainly making fun of a certain person on here, he or she should know who they are. How STUPID are they? Um, I can count 27 ways.....

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

OT but regarding the Skins' next opponent, they just lost a starting safety for the season: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/04/packers-morgan-burnett-out-for-season-with-torn-acl/

Posted by: manlius1 | October 4, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

4 Vincent Jackson.
Cant help it but with every missed Galloway hookup or Anthony Armstrong sideline stumble i keep thinking to myself VJ turns that into 6.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 4, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Mr.Redskin21: I agree, let Devin start against GB that may or may not be fair given GB's secondary but just don't trade him that being said DT put himself in this position by not being prepared for the rigors of pro football i.e. not knowing the playbook,etc. The kid can play if given the chance but trading him given the Skins present set of wideout's could be a mistake.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 4, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

ZaTorain's Spicy Rices

Tora Tora Torain!

Torainasaurus


(C'mon, that last one's funny.)

Posted by: freakzilla | October 4, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

4 Vincent Jackson.
Cant help it but with every missed Galloway hookup or Anthony Armstrong sideline stumble i keep thinking to myself VJ turns that into 6.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 4, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse


Except that VJ has one of the worst YAC averages in the league, makes no one miss, and sheds no tacklers.

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

4 Vincent Jackson.
Cant help it but with every missed Galloway hookup or Anthony Armstrong sideline stumble i keep thinking to myself VJ turns that into 6.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 4, 2010 2:12 PM


VJax wouldn't be running that free because the underneath safety would lefer release him to the deep safety. Besides, the coverage itself would be rolled to him with a deliberate double-team. That pass might be there, but for Moss, on the other side of the field if that were VJax.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 4, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

psps, a honest and serious question, dude:


Is there isn't ANYTHING that Shanahan isn't good at or CAN'T do wrong in your eyes?

My god, I've read post from you defending everything from his tan tone to his parallel parking skills. I get that everyone has that coach or player that you defend like your baby brother in the school yard, but damn dude, I never read a single thing critical from you regarding Shanahan.


Is it me or is it Memorex?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

4 Vincent Jackson.
Cant help it but with every missed Galloway hookup or Anthony Armstrong sideline stumble i keep thinking to myself VJ turns that into 6.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 4, 2010 2:12 PM


VJax wouldn't be running that free because the underneath safety would never release him to the deep safety. Besides, the coverage itself would be rolled to him with a deliberate double-team. That pass might be there, but for Moss, on the other side of the field if that were VJax.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 4, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse


p1funk

good job,

moore was a 6th in 2008, horton was 7th.

take into consideration the three 2nd rounders I was talking about DT, FD, and MK and it is to me an even bigger bust.

I can only hope that these guy's can compete at a high level some day in the NFL.

Posted by: hessone | October 4, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Except that VJ has one of the worst YAC averages in the league, makes no one miss, and sheds no tacklers.

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 2:15 PM

...is on probation, has unrealistic salary demands, and never had a chance of becoming a Redskin. But, yeah, keep thinking of VJ. And I can think of a lot of other receivers who could do that. So what?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse


what I don't get is that this offense isn't exactly flourishing...so what would be the harm in getting DT in there??

bean, the horse has been dead for going on three years. let it go

Posted by: hessone | October 4, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Trading DT doesn't shock me at all.

Remember people, Shanny is calling all the personnel shots here. And as we all know from his track record in Denver, he is TERRIBLE at it, save for like 3 picks. Should just focus on the coaching and let Allen do the rest.

For now, I'm going to find a fork to stab in my eye socket when Devin has 7 TD catches for the Vikings by Week 17...

Posted by: mattylight | October 4, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

This Heyer is a backup nonsense doesn't make any sense. Would you be able to use that excuse for any other position? If a "backup" WR drops makeable catches or has penalties called against him is it because he is a backup? A RB fumbles a couple times its because he's a backup? A DE hits the QB late its because he's a backup? Give me a break! If it wasn't for the lack of depth coming into the season Heyer would be a backup at Dominos Pizza!

Posted by: ga8085 | October 4, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

After QB, OT is the hardest position, especially LT. He is always facing the best rusher on D. And there are not that many really good ones out there. So there will always be a fall-off when you lose your starting LT. Is that an excuse for Heyer. No, it's just reality. Be happy when TW is in there, but don't be so harsh when a backup has to play.

Posted by: frediefritz | October 4, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"Re: DT - There's really not much of an excuse for him. He's not impressed 2 coaching staffs enough to really beat out mediocre competition in front of him."

This point is being thrown around, but I call BS. DT showed visible and measurable improvements in his sophomore campaign. He started 10 games last year. He had more catches than Galloway last year. He is trusted to handle the ball on kick returns.

He did impress last years coaching staff, and this one trusts him to handle the ball every game. I don't think people should be saying he didn't impress 2 coaching staffs it's untrue and unnecessary.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 4, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

For now, I'm going to find a fork to stab in my eye socket when Devin has 7 TD catches for the Vikings by Week 17...

Posted by: mattylight | October 4, 2010 2:19 PM

Are you referring to the good eye, the one you didn't stab when Marko Mitchell had seven TDs for the Vikings in pre season? Or will you simply stab the same eye twice?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Typical DC fan response.

Shanahan finds a viable threat as an RB from a player that's been cast aside as an afterthought on the free agent list for the last 2 years, a dynamic returner from an undrafted FA WR, a LG that's helped reinvigorate a recently deceased running game from a long list of thought-to-be busted draft picks outside of DC, and found a 3-4 defense that has held our 2 divisional opponents to a combined 19 points against us despite not fitting our best personnel.

Only in DC is that a GM-and-personnel-decision-maker that leaves a lot to be desired. It's not good enough to have the vision to find these guys, we wanted these guys to be playing last year, damnit!


Posted by: psps23 | October 4, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse


No.

It just would have made sense for some of these guys to be playing in Week 1, seeing as how our visionary GM has been evaluating these guys all offseason.
Instead we've been playing musical-positions for 4 weeks.

And your selective stat-keeping is worthy of a position at Enron. Why are we only counting how our defense has performed against the "divisional" opponents? Do the non-divisional games not count in our win-loss record? Or maybe there was something about those games that doesn't conveniently fit into your take...hmmm...what could it be?

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

When you have a 20+yd avg on catches it really dosent matter what your YAC avg is.

We still need a speed threat, a non midget speed threat at WR...

We will pick him up in the offseason, dont want to spend picks at this point.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 4, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bhoang888 | October 4, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

hess, where are the redskins ranked scoring wise? how about their passing game, where is that?

just curious....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Snyder might be a master marketer but his investing acumen sucks balls.

It's buy low sell high, not the other way around (Kelly, Thomas, Fat Albert, TJ Duckett, Champ, Jason Taylor et al).


The guys still with us are early round talent/athletes.

GET 'EM ON THE FIELD!

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 4, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't think people should be saying he didn't impress 2 coaching staffs it's untrue and unnecessary.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 4, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse


And I don't think you should have the right to come up here and post comments...but oh well...

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

For now, I'm going to find a fork to stab in my eye socket when Devin has 7 TD catches for the Vikings by Week 17...

Posted by: mattylight | October 4, 2010 2:19 PM

Are you referring to the good eye, the one you didn't stab when Marko Mitchell had seven TDs for the Vikings in pre season? Or will you simply stab the same eye twice?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

hahaha -- good one. I didn't post on here in the preseason though, must've been someone else who said that, though I will admit I thought getting rid of Marko was a bad idea at the time.

With DT all I am saying is that the NFL -- especially these days -- is a produce or get out league. That's why you see JC getting benched in Week 2, Leinart traded in the preseason, Trent Edwards yanked and then straight released. So, when AA, Galloway, Roydell Williams, or anyone else for that matter can't get it done as a #2 receiver, why not try Devin out and see what you got? If he flops, you can get rid of him then....

Posted by: mattylight | October 4, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Beaner, I believe that ranking is "first place in the Division"... the only one that counts fer now.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 4, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I can count 27 ways.....

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 2:10 PM

Ahhhhh gotcha...very clever monk...a guy can really fall behind not being here on weekends!

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

C'mon people? This team was 4-12 last year...

Unless your last name is Orakpo, Williams, Landry, Cooley, Davis or McNabb...you're pretty much expendable.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 4, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I think we've found our new version of the Cult of Colt.

The Disciples of Devin.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 4, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Beaner, I believe that ranking is "first place in the Division"... the only one that counts fer now.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 4, 2010 2:30 PM |

Of course, if Avant doesn't have 'Rogers' hands, we're in last place.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Not hearing much about Albert's play from the He-Man Haynesworth Haters Club, est. 2010, especially its president brownwood26.

It appears, however, that p1funk is trying to disavow his membership.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 4, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

When you have a 20+yd avg on catches it really dosent matter what your YAC avg is.

We still need a speed threat, a non midget speed threat at WR...

We will pick him up in the offseason, dont want to spend picks at this point.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 4, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse


YAC absolutely matters when you are gearing up to pay someone beaucoup bucks to be a #1 WR - Can this guy be a game-breaker/play-maker? Can he take passes to the house? - Those are the questions that need to be asked when you are about to shell out $30-50 million on a guy.

And BTW, have you ever watched VJax play? He is NOT a speed threat downfield. He is a big possession receiver, and he is a system guy.

He did a good job running deep routes and exploiting single coverage because defenses/secondaries were keyed in on Antonio Gates (the real #1 receiver on SanDiego) and LT/Sproles coming out of the backfield. Oh, it also helped that he had a perennial pro-Bowl QB throwing him the ball.

The reason he has such a big average/catch and such a crappy YAC is because he's good at using his size to get position and he's got pretty good hands...then he immediately gets tackled b/c he's not fast or very good at making moves in the open field.

Question - Has San Diego lost ANYTHING in its passing game this year with VJax sitting on the couch?

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else see the comparison in running style with Torain and Robert Smith of the Vikings? The upward, high knee kick running? Not saying it's good or bad, he just reminds me of Robert Smith when I see him run.

Posted by: ash10 | October 4, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I think we've found our new version of the Cult of Colt.

The Disciples of Devin.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 4, 2010 2:33 PM

I'm in.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Upon further review, I changed my mind. Let's trade Devin for a 6th or 7th rounder, which we can hopefully turn into the next Stephon Heyer.

Oh wait....

Posted by: mattylight | October 4, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Can we show a little patience for once?? Is he that bad in practice? is he that stupid??

I just don't get it... How hard is it to be coached up?? I look at Thomas as a Miles Austin type of breakout player & I thought if given the reps & on the job training, he could have many more games like last year vs New Orleans.

I'm starting to think Shanny has "his guys" & to hell with everyone else. This is what made Joe Gibbs special, he was a people person who really soothed every type of personality & helped everyone blend. You just can't tell me that Roydell Williams or Joey Galloway are more talented at this point in their careers. A lot of these passes to Galloway & Armstrong are just GO routes... You can't tell me that Thomas on that route is not a better option than those guys.

I think soon we'll be saying "That's just Shanny being Shanny!"

Posted by: tony325 | October 4, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Good grief... How is it possible they don't want him? He was a beast at times last year - what are their plans going forward? Are they expecting a great crop of receivers in next year's draft?

Posted by: crashinghero |

How great would they have to BE to surpass Devin Thomas' accomplishments?

Posted by: TheCork | October 4, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 2:25 PM

Now, now pot. Don't go in on the kettle like that.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 4, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

maybe, maybe not - tricky thing about prognostication... You have absolutely no idea what would happen.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 4, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Ryan "Torian sounds better" Torain

Gran Torain-o

Ryan "can't stop" Torain

have you ever seen" Torain


Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 4, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

You know, if either Keenan McCardell or Kyle Shanahan were convinced that DT could contribute, the 'Skins wouldn't be shopping the guy. They'd work him into the game plan. I think you need all three of them -- McCardell and the two Shanahans -- to give up on the guy before you start asking "What would you gimme....?"

Posted by: beep-beep

I get it...

You mean like Shanny telling us that Golsten is "better" tha AH and the best players will play.....

Posted by: dcwun | October 4, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

OKAY..If they trade DT..it will be a tragedy...

IF we are banking on Galloway, Williams and a BUSTED UP KELLY, and an aging Moss, we are crazy...Even Amstrong is 27 and will be 30 by the time we make real progress.

We need YOUTH AND SPEED....i don't understand how all the other teams are stockpiled at receiver and we can't even find one..except by luck..Armstrong.

You have Banks..use him...so what if he's small, there has always been small receivers...Put him in the slot and and throw short outs, ins and I'm sure he'll find the deck when trouble comes...and get him in teh weight room, you can easily add 10-20lbs of muscle to a frame with the right workout.

But to get rid of DT without putting him in game situation is stupid..You can't tell me that DT doesn't run better routes than Roydell williams...this is stupid...

Posted by: impervious99 | October 4, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

OKAY..If they trade DT..it will be a tragedy...

IF we are banking on Galloway, Williams and a BUSTED UP KELLY, and an aging Moss, we are crazy...Even Amstrong is 27 and will be 30 by the time we make real progress.

We need YOUTH AND SPEED....i don't understand how all the other teams are stockpiled at receiver and we can't even find one..except by luck..Armstrong.

You have Banks..use him...so what if he's small, there has always been small receivers...Put him in the slot and and throw short outs, ins and I'm sure he'll find the deck when trouble comes...and get him in teh weight room, you can easily add 10-20lbs of muscle to a frame with the right workout.

But to get rid of DT without putting him in game situation is stupid..You can't tell me that DT doesn't run better routes than Roydell williams...this is stupid...

Posted by: impervious99 | October 4, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Shopping DT makes sense.

He is clearly incapable of coming in and not making catches at the level Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams do.

Until he shows the commitment in practice to hone his non-playmaking skills he will continue to sit on the sidelines and accumulate the same stats as the players ahead of him that actually see the field.

This is for his own good.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 4, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

If I'm rebuilding this team, I'm going with the following players as my core.

McNabb
T. Williams
Hicks
J. Brown
Lictensteiger
Alexander
Golston
Carriker
Wilson
Orakpo
Landry
Moore
Hall
Cooley
Davis

Posted by: rickyroge | October 4, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, I do, however, agree with your take on Shanahan. And he doesn't get credit for Torain in the way psps wants to give it to him. He essentially was all that was left in the cupboard. Plus, Torain has been his guy from the time he drafted him in Denver. He hadn't stuck until now because he couldn't stay healthy.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 4, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Why would someone trade for him when it's clear the Skins will cut him in a couple of weeks?

Posted by: SteveMG | October 4, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I think we've found our new version of the Cult of Colt.

The Disciples of Devin.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 4, 2010 2:33 PM

I'm in.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

The argument is the same

"...needs opportunities"

"...coaches don't know what they're doing"

"...will be awesome for another team, redskins will regret this in the end"

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 4, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

btw - Just because they're shoppin' him, don't mean they're sellin'.

They want pics. Or a baller. If they can get the value they seek, he's not their pick - trade'im.

But if they don't, like Stompy - he provides a service.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 4, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 2:25 PM

Now, now pot. Don't go in on the kettle like that.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 4, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse


Oh, lh. Still feeling the sting of our exchanges, eh?


BTW, how did the best cornerback on our roster (of course I'm referring to Carlos Rogers) do yesterday?

Did he make any game-changing plays that you would expect from someone who is far-and-away our best corner?

I know the score was really close, and it came down to the wire; down to the last drive - Did anything happen in a crucial clutch moment that could have turned the game and Los stepped up to the plate and made it happen?

Please, do tell...

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I think we've found our new version of the Cult of Colt.

The Disciples of Devin.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 4, 2010 2:33 PM
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They can sit over there on the bench with the "Soup Suckers" and the "Marko Manginas".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 4, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Question - Has San Diego lost ANYTHING in its passing game this year with VJax sitting on the couch?

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

They haven't lost anything because Rivers is the type of QB that can make any receiver look good, he can succeed with a bunch of shlubs, remind you of anyone?
VJax should have known this before whining and crying like a baby and holding out for nothing, now he'll lose a full season, is he still gonna be a restricted free agent next year?
JVax = Greedy NERD!

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I often try to shop my poo's only to find no takers.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 4, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Not hearing much about Albert's play from the He-Man Haynesworth Haters Club, est. 2010, especially its president brownwood26.

It appears, however, that p1funk is trying to disavow his membership.

Posted by: learnedhand1

He's playing better, but hardly a $100 million dollar man. I see him getting off his blocks better, hence the increased number of tackles, but still not seeing much of a pass rush from him. What's he got, one this year to go with the four sacks he amassed last year?

It's idiotic to call critics of Haynesworth "haters" as he has disappointed his teammates and his coaches and hurt the team by not showing up at practices, and then showing up at camp out of shape. Real Redskin fans should be POed that he has tkaen his money and pretty much phoned it in.

Shanahan handled the situation brilliantly, and Big Al, knowing he can't win that war, has settled down.

But he's still not in great shape, still takes plays off, still hasn't got his quicks back, and if history is an indication, will miss a few more games before the season is over.

And THAT's an honest evaluation.

Posted by: TheCork | October 4, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Nevada-Schmucksville University

I believe I went to this school, so don't hate.

I majored in Applied THC Technology.

The seed of knowledge I received was separated from the stem of life I endured on a daily basis.

I invented new ways to empty everything from my parents' bank account to beer bongs.

But unlike DT, I came out of college the ultimate player.

Thing is, I don't remember or can't figure out the game because the experience left me kinda dumb and stupid.

And this final point is what DT and I have in common.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't think people should be saying he didn't impress 2 coaching staffs it's untrue and unnecessary.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 4, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse


And I don't think you should have the right to come up here and post comments...but oh well...

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

oh well, you have a right to spin the truth and I have a right to call BS

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 4, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

This is not about trust cause he wouldn't be out there returning KO, I too believe it is a personal thing with the coach(s), Shanny's ego and stubborness is on display here.

Posted by: russelljharris | October 4, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

2-2 and 2-0 in the division...I'll take it!

This is not a talented team. We have talented individuals.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 4, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I think we've found our new version of the Cult of Colt.

The Disciples of Devin.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 4, 2010 2:33 PM
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They can sit over there on the bench with the "Soup Suckers" and the "Marko Manginas".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 4, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The reason he has such a big average/catch and such a crappy YAC is because he's good at using his size to get position and he's got pretty good hands...then he immediately gets tackled b/c he's not fast or very good at making moves in the open field.
Question - Has San Diego lost ANYTHING in its passing game this year with VJax sitting on the couch?

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Its a lot more one dimensional, if Gates dosent beast out they dont have a passing game.
Im just saying its time to buy a WR, there are others I like as well but VJ fits the mold.
I didnt know that a 4.46 is slow but whatevs. In my opionion he is a great fit for this offense and Dmac.
And for someone that "immediately gets tackled" he has an awful lot of 50 yd+ plays. But i mean come on who on this offense dosent have a 50 yard play every game, yeh if theres one thing we dont need its a big play receiver, which VJ isnt anyways???

Posted by: Stu27 | October 4, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Does DThomas's performance against the defending NFL champions ring a bell? 7 receptions, 100 yards, 2 TDs, and a long rec of 40 yards. Remind me, besides Moss and Cooley, can any other WR on this team put up those numbers? He had more receptions in that game, under Zorn and with Campbell, than Galloway and Williams have combined over the last four games. Moss will be double covered from here on out, who will step up? Big mistake if it is true........

Posted by: adjustments_Redskins | October 4, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I often try to shop my poo's only to find no takers.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 4, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

That's surprising, with as much people that spew soooooo much sh*t up in here, you'd think they'd jump at the opportunity.

Did you try asking Albert_Haynesworth?

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

@ Cork

I agree with your assessment, it is honest. The only part I'd take issue with is questioning AH sack totals. He's not being asked to do that most of the time. He is supposed to occupy and plug.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | October 4, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I majored in Applied THC Technology.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 2:48 PM
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I got my PHD in THC Technology and Practice.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 4, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

You know, if either Keenan McCardell or Kyle Shanahan were convinced that DT could contribute, the 'Skins wouldn't be shopping the guy. They'd work him into the game plan. I think you need all three of them -- McCardell and the two Shanahans -- to give up on the guy before you start asking "What would you gimme....?"

Posted by: beep-beep

I get it...

You mean like Shanny telling us that Golsten is "better" tha AH and the best players will play.....

dcwun

Shanny says Golston, Kemoeatu, AND Carriker are "better" than AH

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 4, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"I never read a single thing critical from you regarding Shanahan.

Posted by: RedDMV"

Strictly speaking, not true.

When Moe criticized Shanahan's playcalling for airing it out, I said that airing it out was not the problem; red zone playcalling was the problem.

And it was true, we had been crap in the red zone.

And when Shanahan cut Marko Mitchell, I criticized him for that.

As well as keeping Roydell Williams.

And for continuing to cast aside Haynesworth in the STL game, when it was clear he was far and away the best lineman in the game.

What I don't criticize Shanahan for are the personnel moves that landed us Ryan Torain, Brandon Banks, Kory Lichtenstieger, and a defense that has carried us to 2-0 in the division thus far.

No, I don't believe he's perfect. Yes, I do believe he's done waaay more positive than negative for this team.

Some of you are worse than Philly fans. I see the mentality up here that got McNabb shipped out for Kevin Kolb.

Shanahan's personnel moves has left a lot to be desired? Far from it. Shanahan turned a decrepit 4-12 roster (and 0-6 in the division) into one that has a shot to win the NFC East.

So yea, I'll take the time to defend his moves when I see a criticism of him I disagree with.

Posted by: psps23 | October 4, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Trade him for whatever and get over it. For whatever the reason, he has made Shanahan's DNQ list, so DT is a dead man walking. We won't notice when he's gone because Shanny wouldn't let him do anything while he was here. If he doesn't get traded now, he will probably get cut, anway, so let's hope they can make a deal. When Washington signs another receiver, we will know the deal is done.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 4, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

how about their passing game, where is that?

just curious....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 2:26 PM

Passing game is 13th in the league, slightly better than their QB who is 15th in the league. The offense and the passing will improve greatly when McNabb hits his receivers. Have you watched any of the games this year?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 4, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

So you keep a gimpy, injury prone Malcolm Kelly but get rid of Thomas. It all makes sense now.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 4, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Does DThomas's performance against the defending NFL champions ring a bell? 7 receptions, 100 yards, 2 TDs, and a long rec of 40 yards. Remind me, besides Moss and Cooley, can any other WR on this team put up those numbers? He had more receptions in that game, under Zorn and with Campbell, than Galloway and Williams have combined over the last four games. Moss will be double covered from here on out, who will step up? Big mistake if it is true........

Posted by: adjustments_Redskins | October 4, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

aaahhh! Your using facts?! Does not compute. Eat grass (blog post), and bah ahahah (comments)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 4, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see the Skins put a full game together. They've had a couple of good first halves and then seem to fall apart. A complete game would mean decisive victories. A lot of it is play calling and the o line.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 4, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Same people that were Marko and Colt advocates have now found a worthy sub.

Here's their stellar equation:
Colt Brennan, Marko Mitchell, Devin Thomas = Superbowl champs 2010 - 2014

Their argument: why isn't DT going on, he's one of the best WRs on this roster

The reality: DT just isn't as good as any of his fans think.

What's more likely: that Shanny has a grudge against DT or that DT doesn't do what's needed to get playing time? It's tough.... take your time

Posted by: pgugino | October 4, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"So you keep a gimpy, injury prone Malcolm Kelly but get rid of Thomas. It all makes sense now."

Beltway cynics call this the "Redskin Way."

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

DT = TD backwards...think about it.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 4, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone answer these questions for me. I want to know why:

Kolb had ALL DAY to throw the ball. If u give a QB long enough he'll find an open man. I say pressure him! It's a lot harder to find someone to throw to when you're running for your life!

McNabb, an 11 yr. veteran that has been playing football for 20 years, runs out of bounds and stops the clock w/a 5 point lead and 3:30 on the clock.

Buchanon was returning punts late in the game instead of Banks.

DT is returning kickoffs instead of Banks.

Banks gets on the field for a couple of offensive plays while DT sits.

Heyer still has a job.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 4, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 2:47 PM


Sting? Get real. You're persistent but you're all bark as far as I'm concerned. As for 'Los, he didn't catch a pick. Nothing new there. I have only championed his cover skills never his catching ability. As for game-changing, Maclin caught only on ball.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 4, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

And THAT's an honest evaluation.
Posted by: TheCork | October 4, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Whatever. That's an evaluation from a high-horse.

Haynesworth was dominant in the 1st quarter and tips the scales at the point of attack, And THAT's an honest evaluation from the ground.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 4, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Same people that were Marko and Colt advocates have now found a worthy sub.

Here's their stellar equation:
Colt Brennan, Marko Mitchell, Devin Thomas = Superbowl champs 2010 - 2014

Their argument: why isn't DT going on, he's one of the best WRs on this roster

The reality: DT just isn't as good as any of his fans think.

What's more likely: that Shanny has a grudge against DT or that DT doesn't do what's needed to get playing time? It's tough.... take your time

Posted by: pgugino

Could care less at the time about Marko of Colt. What I do know is that the "flash" that he showed against the Champs last season was enough. Even with my guy Soup, he played well. So naturally most were looking forward to seeing him with a legit Pro Bowl QB.

I'm sure he can't do any worst than old man Joey's currently doing.

Posted by: dcwun | October 4, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I read a lot of posts about what's wrong with this team...and it boils down to

Lack of youth, speed and talent at the LB, RB and WR positions.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 4, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse


he's turned back the clock....what is he up to 4 catchs??

bean, he has more catches than FDavis

Posted by: hessone | October 4, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I like the other pabrainiac better. Is that the good or evil twin?

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

stu27= Mike stu hahahaha yo man

Posted by: patljr7 | October 4, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Does DThomas's performance against the defending NFL champions ring a bell? 7 receptions, 100 yards, 2 TDs, and a long rec of 40 yards. Remind me, besides Moss and Cooley, can any other WR on this team put up those numbers? He had more receptions in that game, under Zorn and with Campbell, than Galloway and Williams have combined over the last four games. Moss will be double covered from here on out, who will step up? Big mistake if it is true........

Posted by: adjustments_Redskins | October 4, 2010 2:52 PM

Oh yeah, I remember that game!

That was the one where the majority of their starting defensive backfield was out injured, right? Awesome game!

Posted by: stevek20147 | October 4, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I see the "Blame Bush for Obama's Economy" excuse is making waves again uphere!

TRUTH/FACT:

ONLY ONE DRAFT PICK WAS OF IMPACT THIS YEAR AND WE ARE STILL TRADING PICKS FOR OLD VETERANS.....VINNIE IS NO WHERE TO BE SEEN....SHANNY HAS A REAL GOOD TRACK RECORD OF MAKING TERRIBLE ROSTER DECISIONS/DRAFT PICKS.....

Now go run tell that....Homeboy...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 4, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

wait a minute, tho.

It's not like you can blame skins fans for being wary of a trade... I mean, how many folks have we let go of only to see them fourish elsewhere... From Bradley on....

Even Randle El looked decent as a 3rd option in Pitt...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 4, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

psps23

"When Moe criticized Shanahan's playcalling for airing it out, I said that airing it out was not the problem; red zone playcalling was the problem."

I thought about the chatta we traded over the playcalling, and I'll say you were right to say we need the occasional deep shot, even if we don't have the big time receiver at the other end to catch it.

We can't use a short controlled passing game as what I noticed is that our receivers can't beat press coverage.

The can out run, but not out muscle tough d-backs.

So what do you do?: You 'max protect' and sling the ball upfield hoping a couple of deep completions force the defense to play more coverage.

No, as for your battle with Red.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

How many personnel mistakes have they made so far? (1) Larry Johnson, (2) Bidwell, (3) Carter playing LB and now they think Thomas is poor for their offensive scheme? Looks like Allen/Shanahan have done a poor job of evaluting players.

Posted by: NatsSince1967 | October 4, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

WTF!!?? just play him

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 4, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

atta boy 4th....nicely done...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

What a surprise. People question why DT doesn't play WR through 4 games and the professional contrarians pop up and call them "cult of DT."

At least the wags on RI are consistent in their emotionally-driven arguments.

Let's try using some logic: Since Roydell Williams and Joey Galloway have done NOTHING through 4 games, what is the downside to playing Devin Thomas at WR ahead of JG and RW this coming week?

Answer: Zero.

School's out, kids.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 4, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 4, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone answer these questions for me. I want to know why:

Kolb had ALL DAY to throw the ball. If u give a QB long enough he'll find an open man. I say pressure him! It's a lot harder to find someone to throw to when you're running for your life!

[We game-planned to contain Vick and the Rams burned our blitzes]

McNabb, an 11 yr. veteran that has been playing football for 20 years, runs out of bounds and stops the clock w/a 5 point lead and 3:30 on the clock.

[He got the 1st down, so sacrificing 40 seconds to gain the ability to burn 120 seconds is a fair trade, he didn't want to get hit OR hit the ground]

Buchanon was returning punts late in the game instead of Banks.

[Banks is a fumbler, we we're winning let our vet catch the punt. On a short field they know Banks will have less chance of turning the corner]

DT is returning kickoffs instead of Banks.

[DT is averaging 28 yds a return, Banks is 5'9" 150]

Banks gets on the field for a couple of offensive plays while DT sits.

[Choppers grudge]

Heyer still has a job.

[Choppers not fixing the O-line]

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 4, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 4, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I see the "Blame Bush for Obama's Economy" excuse is making waves again uphere!

Didn't Bush blame the Clinton economy?

(Yes he did: his argument for the biggest tax cut in history was that the Clinton Economy was a recession he had to end--look it up.)

Google the issue, and you'll see Bush blamed Clinton, Clinton blamed Bush, Bush blamed Carter, skippng Reagan, Reagan blamed Carter and Johnson, skipping Nixon abd Ford......

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 2:25 PM

Now, now pot. Don't go in on the kettle like that.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 4, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse


Oh, lh. Still feeling the sting of our exchanges, eh?


BTW, how did the best cornerback on our roster (of course I'm referring to Carlos Rogers) do yesterday?

Did he make any game-changing plays that you would expect from someone who is far-and-away our best corner?

I know the score was really close, and it came down to the wire; down to the last drive - Did anything happen in a crucial clutch moment that could have turned the game and Los stepped up to the plate and made it happen?

Please, do tell...

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone answer these questions for me. I want to know why:

vegasskinsfan-

Kolb had ALL DAY to throw the ball. If u give a QB long enough he'll find an open man. I say pressure him! It's a lot harder to find someone to throw to when you're running for your life!

Switched to a cover 2 to prevent the big play from DJ & JM. Leaving Kolb to check down the whole game. 98 was held repeatedly and so was 92. We're to inconsistent in the secondary to blitz against a team with those weapons.

McNabb, an 11 yr. veteran that has been playing football for 20 years, runs out of bounds and stops the clock w/a 5 point lead and 3:30 on the clock.

Great play but running out of bounds was inexcusable

Buchanon was returning punts late in the game instead of Banks.

Banks is a situational PR. PB was back because of the field position and a likely fair catch.

DT is returning kickoffs instead of Banks.

Great question and I agree. As they become more comfortable and trust Banks more, he will be the guy.

Banks gets on the field for a couple of offensive plays while DT sits.

This is on DT

Heyer still has a job.

The former Terp played well but had 3 costly penalties. He's a below avg backup RT playing LT. He's better than the other guys on our roster.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 4, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ash10 | October 4, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Heard DT said one of the things the coaches wanted from him was "professionalism". It probably didn't help him when homeboy twitpic'd him sleeping in a WR meeting. If he's not running routes correctly or can't be counted on to be where he's supposed to on the field in this offense, then that's on him. He's good on STs though. He's fast, physical and he's a hitter.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 4, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

vegasskinsfan,

My slant on your questions:

-The Redskins were in a soft zone most of the game which meant they were not bringing the heat, but they did get some pressure on Kolb with just four rushers. Orakpo was held twice and Haynesworth was held once because they were breaking through.

-McNabb had a few bone headed plays. The interception and running out of bounds come immediately to mind, but so what? He's not perfect, he's just good.

-I wondered about Buchanan returning punts at the end of the game, too, but they have to be thinking of Banks as more of a secret weapon to be carted out only occasionally. I think he caught the Eagles by surprise at first, but then the Eagles adjusted their coverage.

-DT returning kickoffs instead of Banks? Well, that's his job and he has actually been doing it quite well. The Eagles clamped down on him yesterday but there were a few he came close to breaking in the Rams game. Unfortunately, we may have seen the last of DT as kick returner for the Redskins if the rumors are true.

-Banks gets on the field while DT sits. Shanahan obviously wanted barn burning speed on the field. I suspect they saw something in the Eagles defense that could be exploited. It didn't work, but I think we will see more and more of Banks if he continues to hold onto the ball.

-Heyer is the best backup tackle that they have. He's not all-pro but he is serviceable. I don't think he was that bad, but the debate on here today seems to suggest that a lot of people do think he is that bad.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 4, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Moe, it's all Washington's fault, dammit! Him & his Dodge Challenger...grr.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 4, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Does DThomas's performance against the defending NFL champions ring a bell? 7 receptions, 100 yards, 2 TDs, and a long rec of 40 yards. Remind me, besides Moss and Cooley, can any other WR on this team put up those numbers? He had more receptions in that game, under Zorn and with Campbell, than Galloway and Williams have combined over the last four games. Moss will be double covered from here on out, who will step up? Big mistake if it is true........

Posted by: adjustments_Redskins | October 4, 2010 2:52 PM

Oh yeah, I remember that game!

That was the one where the majority of their starting defensive backfield was out injured, right? Awesome game!

No, the New Orleans starting secondary was intact.......with a couple of Pro Bowlers from the 2009 season

Posted by: adjustments_Redskins | October 4, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

JVax = Greedy NERD!

Posted by: monk811 | October 4, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse


And giving greedy divas a big payday has worked out oh-so well for this organization...

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

CP injury BEEPS

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 4, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

You're persistent but you're all bark as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 4, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse


Considering we are posting comments on a blog, "bark" is all we're doing around here.

If you want a fist-fight then hit up Red/Scamp...they'll at least describe an imaginary blow-by-blow brawl for you...

Posted by: p1funk | October 4, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I majored in Applied THC Technology.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 4, 2010 2:48 PM
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I got my PHD in THC Technology and Practice.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 4, 2010 2:56 PM


Bob Marley has a tattoo of ME on his arm.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 4, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

CP injury Beeps

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 4, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of our pro bowl QB..... what's up with going 2 for 11 for ten yards in the second half of a game against a division rival. And those incompletions weren't dropped passes, they were thrown into the dirt a yard in front of the receiver.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 4, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 4, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone answer these questions for me. I want to know why:

Kolb had ALL DAY to throw the ball. If u give a QB long enough he'll find an open man. I say pressure him! It's a lot harder to find someone to throw to when you're running for your life!

[We game-planned to contain Vick and the Rams burned our blitzes]

McNabb, an 11 yr. veteran that has been playing football for 20 years, runs out of bounds and stops the clock w/a 5 point lead and 3:30 on the clock.

[He got the 1st down, so sacrificing 40 seconds to gain the ability to burn 120 seconds is a fair trade, he didn't want to get hit OR hit the ground]

HE COULD HAVE STAYED IN BOUNDS AND SLID, THUS, KEEPING THE CLOCK RUNNING!!!!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 4, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Ryan "All" Torrain "Vehicle" aka ATV

Sonny said McNabb didn't slide because he felt a tweak in his hamstring as he was running for the first down.

Anyone who defined DT#11 as a Beast needs to look at the starting WRs on every other NFC East team to get some perspective.

Austin/Williams/Bryant, Jackson/Maclin/Avant, Hicks/Smith

DT#11 isn't as good as any of these players. Bryant has 14 catches in 3 games in his rookie year. DT#11 had 20 catches the whole season last year.

Devin Thomas (40 catches in 2 years) is barely better than Taylor Jacobs (33 catches in 3 years) both of whom cost us 2nd round draft picks.

Incidentally, Brandon Lloyd has 25 catches in 4 games this season. Further proof that our former FO had no idea what they were doing and dumped a guy who actually had some game, then drafted two guys who don't.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | October 4, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Torrain's official name should be "Clinton Portis's replacement.

Posted by: dmlopez1 | October 4, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

McNabb, an 11 yr. veteran that has been playing football for 20 years, runs out of bounds and stops the clock w/a 5 point lead and 3:30 on the clock.

[He got the 1st down, so sacrificing 40 seconds to gain the ability to burn 120 seconds is a fair trade, he didn't want to get hit OR hit the ground]

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 4, 2010 3:18 PM

This is dumb, even by your standards. The real answer is just that he made a mistake. A slide at the end would've made his good play complete. The Eagles would've burned their second timeout immediately.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 4, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I am convinced that Shanny's stubborness and ego are at play here. How can you say the guy doesn't fit when you don't even give him a chance to play? Does anyone here honestly think that R. Williams and Galloway are playing better at WR than D. Thomas could? The more I see of how Shanny runs the show, the more frustrated I get. He needs to remember that he's the coach, not a player, and conduct himself accordingly. Instead, he constantly lowers himself to the level of a player when he gets into these "tit-for-tats" with players such as AH and DT. Shanny seems to always be trying to make a point that he's "top dog", at the expense of what might be best for the team. What a huge ego that man has. Contrast his style with that of Gibbs, a man who was quite humble yet confident and led us to the most productive decade in Skins history.

Posted by: teresae878 | October 4, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of our pro bowl QB..... what's up with going 2 for 11 for ten yards in the second half of a game against a division rival. And those incompletions weren't dropped passes, they were thrown into the dirt a yard in front of the receiver.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 4, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

dude, stop crying okay. hes better than

Brad Johnson
Jeff George
Tony Banks
Danny Wuerful
Shane Matthews
Patrick Ramsey
Mark Brunell
Jason Campbell
Todd Collins

okay?? its like your parents buying you 91 corolla's your whole life, then they went out and got you an 04 denali, and your complaining...give it a rest..

and our WR corp is more poop than Poopy Mcpoop himself.

cut roydell williams and galloway,

the WR that should get pt shouuuuuuuuuuld be

Moss
Thomas
Austin
Montgomery

Posted by: mrhney03 | October 4, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

fbelton
Go get your GED so you can write a decent sentence.

Posted by: pjohn2 | October 4, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Redskins say Devin Thomas doesn't fit their long term plans. The doorway to the future is only 5 feet Nine inches high.

Posted by: MadeRED | October 4, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Maybe McNabb's tendency to throw low is the perfect combination w/ the Skins tiny receivers. Every other team has big receivers that excel at going up for jump balls. The Skins have the unique combination of dwarfish receivers and a quarterback who likes to kill worms w/ his passes. Get down low for those passes little men!

Posted by: randysbailin | October 4, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Gee, I wonder who the source was on that.

That fatazz, non-athletic NFL beat reporter, Jason LaCanOfSoda?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 4, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts exactly. I don't believe a word of this and didn't believe it about Haynesworth either.

Thomas will be a breakout player for this team at some point. When that is, I can't tell you. But it will happen. He has far too much ability for him to continue to just return kicks.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 4, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

If these knuckleheads trade DT and keep a 38 y/o wr, DT will become the future Brandon lloyd

Posted by: kingpenn1 | October 4, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

when shanny took over we needed off.lineman running backs def.pass rushers receivers,we still dont have any of anything. we should be bringing in every lineman,reciever,running back on the block.the skins are one dropped avant pass from losing to a vickless eagle team.gonna be a long year fans

Posted by: kristy2005 | October 4, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

when shanny took over we needed off.lineman running backs def.pass rushers receivers,we still dont have any of anything. we should be bringing in every lineman,reciever,running back on the block.the skins are one dropped avant pass from losing to a vickless eagle team.gonna be a long year fans

Posted by: kristy2005 | October 4, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

when shanny took over we needed off.lineman running backs def.pass rushers receivers,we still dont have any of anything. we should be bringing in every lineman,reciever,running back on the block.the skins are one dropped avant pass from losing to a vickless eagle team.gonna be a long year fans

Posted by: kristy2005 | October 4, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

when shanny took over we needed off.lineman running backs def.pass rushers receivers,we still dont have any of anything. we should be bringing in every lineman,reciever,running back on the block.the skins are one dropped avant pass from losing to a vickless eagle team.gonna be a long year fans

Posted by: kristy2005 | October 4, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I am convinced that Shanny's stubborness and ego are at play here. How can you say the guy doesn't fit when you don't even give him a chance to play? Does anyone here honestly think that R. Williams and Galloway are playing better at WR than D. Thomas could? The more I see of how Shanny runs the show, the more frustrated I get. He needs to remember that he's the coach, not a player, and conduct himself accordingly. Instead, he constantly lowers himself to the level of a player when he gets into these "tit-for-tats" with players such as AH and DT. Shanny seems to always be trying to make a point that he's "top dog", at the expense of what might be best for the team. What a huge ego that man has. Contrast his style with that of Gibbs, a man who was quite humble yet confident and led us to the most productive decade in Skins history.

Posted by: teresae878 | October 4, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

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Why don't you send Danny your number so he can consider you as a potential coach?

I'm sure YOU know more about football than a proven guy whom has done it all his life!!!

I don't think it's just chance the guy you are rippin makes more in a week than you do annually.

I have no problem with people questioning a coaches motives but when the answers are clear, posts like this are just plain stupid!!

Posted by: skins91r | October 4, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

for those saying that heyer is a backup and that's his excuse for fuqqing up every game, consider this...heyer was the starting rt last season and when samuels went down, heyer switched to lt. heyer is making the same mistakes he made last season and he HAS starting experience. he may be a backup this season but this when the opportunity arises to step up, he's simply not doing it. he's particularly worse in the redzone where in 2 consecutive weeks, he commited a false start that backed us up on 3rd down. and what the fuqq was up with him yesterday tripping the defensive player? i mean, how fuqqin idiotic can you be than to reach out when your down and swipe at a defender's ankle when he's running away from you? reminds me of when we had walt harris a few seasons ago and everytime the ref would throw a flad on defense, you knew it was going against his azz...that's how it is for heyer. when there's a flag thrown on offense, the majority of us are saying heyer's name before the ref informs everyone who commited the foul. he's garbage and i'm really hoping trent williams is back in the lineup soon and shanny cuts heyer. let's remember that lorenzo alexander can play o lineman as well. i'd rather see him run/passblocking than heyer's sorry azz!

Posted by: charronegro1971 | October 4, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Jet just released former USC WR Patrick Turner, 6-5, 220lbs to make room for Holmes

Posted by: kingpenn1 | October 4, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

As far as DT goes....... Stop sighting ONE good game as a reason he can succeed.

Fat Andy Reid used that same logic to the second power and I think we can all agree on those results!!!!

Posted by: skins91r | October 4, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

-Heyer is the best backup tackle that they have. He's not all-pro but he is serviceable. I don't think he was that bad, but the debate on here today seems to suggest that a lot of people do think he is that bad.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 4, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

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Solid point sir. He is playing a position he is unaccustomed to. Of course he is gonna struggle. As thin as the Skins are on O-line already the last thing they need to be doing is cutting guys who are in the system and are making correctable mistakes.

Posted by: skins91r | October 4, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Look, I'm not a big Devin Thomas fan but, given the current stable of receivers we have active and IR'd, I'd like to know "Why?" - Devin Thomas showed some potential last season (which, overall was forgettable), but still, in an ugly season, he was an occassional bright spot. Is this a personality thing becuase if it is, that's pretty petty. If he can help, why isn't he allowed to? I don't get it. I keep thinking about so many other players the Redskins gave the boot only to see them prosper with other teams after we decided they were of little value (Antonio Pierce, Keenan McCardell - started as Redskin before going to Carolina - Stephen Davis, Ryan Clark - on and on) - what's the beef with this guy - can anybody come up with a valid reason besides Shannahan doesn't like him? The guy can run - he does a pretty decent job on kickoff returns - so...what's going on?

Posted by: whelms1 | October 4, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

sir-RATTO was/is a idiot but all the picks from 2008 are not busts...moore(FS)is a starter, horton is still on the team, jackson(de/lb)on the practice squad,tryon(db/traded)anyone think buchannon can cover better than him? kelly(IR)thomas(WR)shanahan according to him says galloway and r. williams are better..better at what? have not seen it on the field and that is the only place it counts. davis(TE)still on team. I really think shanahan is lying about d. thomas you mean to tell me that this guy can't be included in a offensive package for 1 stupid series to see what he can do in game time situation? that is a bunch of b.s.

Posted by: wathu19 | October 4, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Re: Torain nicknames -

Hmmm. How about Freight Torain?

Posted by: rjohnson66 | October 4, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Re: Torain nicknames -

Hmmm. How about Freight Torain?

Posted by: rjohnson66 | October 4, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Look for this Swamee quote the first time Torain puts up > 100 .... "When it To-Rains it pours!"

Its no secret we offered DT11 + a 2nd round pick to SD for Vincent Jackson ... not surprisingly they didnt bite.

Posted by: mac2j | October 4, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

The amazing side result is that Vinny Cerrato managed to parlay a career of draft picks like this into a gig as a draft "analyst" on national sports radio last draft day, and probbaly will again.

Posted by: sparman | October 4, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

"ARE? Yeah, he's number 46 in the league with a return average of 3.9 yards. This is a sharp dropoff from his last year with the 'Skins when his average was 6.0 yards. (I don't believe it either, but I got it from NFL.com, unless I'm reading the wrong column.)Posted by: beep-beep"

Nope, you're in the right place. However there might be a trick to it. He's got 8 returns and 7 fair catches. That usually means the coaches are telling him not to take risks. Same thing happened last season in Washington, when he had 17 returns and 19 FCs.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 4, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

McNabb, an 11 yr. veteran that has been playing football for 20 years, runs out of bounds and stops the clock w/a 5 point lead and 3:30 on the clock.

Great play but running out of bounds was inexcusable


Posted by: Diesel44 | October 4, 2010 3:19 PM

...wasn't sure if I was the only one that thought he needed to hook-slide in-bounds. The Fox commentators didn't even make a mention of it when it happened, nor have I seen anyone on any other sports networks say a word. They were just praising his amazing ability to get out the pocket to make the run. I realize that he has garnered a certain level of respect and admiration, but that could have been a costly mistake from someone that should have known better.

Posted by: RiggosRangers73 | October 4, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

yeah,they won yesterday by a muskeeters peeter!if that philly guy didnt have carlos rodgers hands,we'd be 1 and 3.anyway,i still stand by my strong belief that shanny and crew don.t have a clue!you mean to tell me that galloway and roynell,or whoever,are better than a big ,young thomas,who by the way,is your best kick returner?this regime does not care about the skins tradition.shanny will not last 3 years,especially with this kind of crap!

Posted by: billydee123 | October 4, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

STUPID STUPID STUPID..they bring brandon banks off the practice squad and play him and cnt put in a package for thomas they havnt even givin him a chance!!..hes better than any reciever we got besides moss!!!...and i guarantee if they trade him hes gonna light it up wherever he goes and redskins will look like dumbasses once again cause of another one of their stupid moves!!!!!

Posted by: ChadPerry07 | October 4, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

STUPID STUPID STUPID..they bring brandon banks off the practice squad and play him and cnt put in a package for thomas they havnt even givin him a chance!!..hes better than any reciever we got besides moss!!!...and i guarantee if they trade him hes gonna light it up wherever he goes and redskins will look like dumbasses once again cause of another one of their stupid moves!!!!!

Posted by: ChadPerry07 | October 4, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

STUPID STUPID STUPID..they bring brandon banks off the practice squad and play him and cnt put in a package for thomas they havnt even givin him a chance!!..hes better than any reciever we got besides moss!!!...and i guarantee if they trade him hes gonna light it up wherever he goes and redskins will look like dumbasses once again cause of another one of their stupid moves!!!!!

Posted by: ChadPerry07 | October 4, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

DT does not have to start but he does need to play. I remember last year he was quite Fast and had some nice moves after the catch, get the guy in space and he could be a missing piece of the puzzle, but I guess you don't know that, if you don't play him. some players only show up for prime time ! what have we got to lose ? Who just had 1 catch for 5 yards, Go figure....

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | October 4, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm not impressed with Galloway ! Entertain Me, Moss , Armstong , DT. Just kick it around a couple of series, what have you got to lose?

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | October 4, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

the whole crew is bum street... philly just lost to arguably one of the worst teams in professional sports. they are Detroit east and if the eagles win another game this season they are lucky. devin thomas can't crack that bum squad of receivers??? khairtaing!!!

Posted by: doyouktt | October 4, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Trade Devin Thomas for Marshawn Lynch and call it a day... Peace

Posted by: wattsicon | October 4, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

This would be a travesty and I would lose a great deal of respect for Shanny. You let a fat pig like Heyer come in and stab us in the back every game by holding, but you won't even give Thomas a chance. That's major BS.

Posted by: TRACIETHEDOLPHIN | October 5, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

ATV
DT11 is a beast. Just unleash him. Like Iverson, "we talkin bout practice man".

Posted by: mountainking | October 5, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

I'd like a mid-tier OL but how about Marshawn Lynch? Buffs wanna purge him.

Posted by: kone | October 5, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I'd prefer a mid-tier OL but Marshawn Lynch would sure get my interest.

Posted by: kone | October 5, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Do NOT trade DT! Seriously the Shanahans need to get off their high horses and do what's best for this team. They didn't do what's best for the team by keeping Albert on the bench, and they certainly aren't doing the right thing by keeping DT on the bench. He is the biggest strongest WR we have, and in my opinion is leaps and bounds better than any other WR on the roster (other than Moss). These two guys are really stinking it up when it comes to choosing the players to go on the field. Serously does anyone think Kareem Moore should be a starting safety in the NFL? Give me one week as the coach, I'll put the right people on the field!

Posted by: dwilcox2 | October 5, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

It is more to the Devin Thomas story then we know about. I think Shanahan just doesn't like his attitude. Thomas was a star at Michigan, so he at least can run a pass pattern. So how does that make him any worst than Galloway, Williams, Banks or any of the other non producing WRs on the Redskins.

Posted by: JAMNEW | October 5, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

good post, p1funk: success (with a HOF QB) notwithstanding, shanahan seems to be a control freak with little (make that ZERO) sympathy for creativity. i didn't like him in denver and i DEFINITELY don't like him here. an upgrade over zorn, yes, but he seems to be the kind of guy whose main coaching tool is conflict. which i don't think is particularly good at the pro level for success. just my opinion, of course.

Posted by: dcjazzman | October 5, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd 25 for 454 and 1 TD –- 2010
Devin Thomas 40 for 445 and 3 TD -- CAREER

Hate to see a repeat of this if Thomas gets traded.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | October 4, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

you're on it oh_boy1 . I remember Lloyd was a guy who Gibbs and Co. couldn't figure out how to get on the field, and was labeled a bum when he left.Now he's a featured receiver in DEN's system and is haveing great success, 3 yrs AFTER we put him out to pasture. This WILL happen with DT. I can't wait to see him on the field and playing well for someone this season. Shanny, if you can relaim Banks off waivers and call his number twice in the red zone ( just as you did with unproven rookie Armstrong week 1 vs dallas) against philly, i think you can figure out a package to get DT the rock; unless you just don't like him and want to get rid of him.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 5, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

super post @ rexforab

Posted by: dcjazzman | October 5, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Well said p1funk and Diesel44.

I find it hard to believe they can’t coach DT up, but you never know what is really behind his lake of play on offense.

Posted by: mattphillips | October 5, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I was among those that thought Thomas would at least see the field in the red zone with a chance to work off his athleticism against smaller, slower DBs.

But then again, he has ZERO catches since Shanahan arrived, and in two years with Zorn only produced ONE solid game.

So, what is the team really missing by trading him?

He has been all but invisible in 2010.

Now, what I might question is knowing in camp and the preseason that Thomas didn't figure into their plans why the Redskins didn't trade him at that time?

They surely would have received better compensation then they are now that everyone sees him riding the bench each week with no chance to play WR.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | October 5, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Joey Galloway is darn near as old as I am and has exactly 4 more catches and the same number of TD's this season as I do. I have a hard time believing Devin Thomas can't produce more than that. Clearly the problem isn't physical ability. I'd still throw him out there to see what happened if I were the coach. But, alas, I'm not...

Also, if Heyer were starter caliber then Williams wouldn't have been drafted in the first place. The untimely false starts are killers but he's blocked as well as can be expected for a BACK-UP (I repeat, BACK-UP) undrafted free agent tackle. Get off his back!

Posted by: largetony86 | October 5, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I love all the old heads and their "If the coaches don't play him, he must not be doing his job " philosophy. This from a team notoriously bad at developing players.

Not that it couldn't be true in some cases (maybe this one) but how many times is that going to be an excuse.

Don't be so pre-programmed!

Posted by: gmac78 | October 5, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I bet he got sick of rotting away on the bench and asked to be traded. Just last week he came on the radio and said he will be having a more involved roll on offense and make his way into the receiver rotation. That didn't happen for whatever reason.

Posted by: N07H4NX | October 5, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

easy to read this one, Devin Thomas is just plain dumb, and frankly that's been the theme all throughout his time here, although every coach went out of their way to put a nice face on it, like he'll eventually get it. oh he doesn't practice well, oh he's lost in meetings, oh he'll get those routes right eventually. right.

well he isn't getting it, is he?

you can't fix dumb.

Posted by: greatteamdan | October 6, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I love all the old heads and their "If the coaches don't play him, he must not be doing his job " philosophy. This from a team notoriously bad at developing players.
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um, we have a whole new front office and coaching staff if you hadn't noticed, the old bad at developing players dopes are gone.

say what you want about Shanny's yrs in Denver but he's miles from the dopes we had here, Vinny? please.

give the guy a chance for chrissakes, he took over a garbage dump and has them 2-2. not sure what you expect.

Posted by: greatteamdan | October 6, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

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