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Posted at 1:17 PM ET, 01/18/2011

Did Redskins err on Cutler and Sanchez?

By Washington Post editors

Jay Cutler and Mark Sanchez are each one win away from the Super Bowl. Should the Redskins have done more to get the quarterbacks they pursued before the 2009 season? Give us your opinion in the Redskins Tailgate Zone.

By Washington Post editors  | January 18, 2011; 1:17 PM ET
 
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This is such a stupid f-cking question please get someone in here to run this blog that wants to work.

They don't play here so who gives a sh-t wether we could have had them or not.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 18, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Factor in the Shanny love scale...

61 Rabach, Casey C 6-4 288 8 Wisconsin 09-24-1977
Hopefully he is gone

-Absolutely love him, he is one our our best performers. Adore his intelligence, he stays.
58 Cook, Erik C/G 6-6 318 R New Mexico 07-05-1987
Stay

-Who is this oh yeah PS guy, keep him we need more inexperienced centers, he stays.
63 Montgomery, Will C/G 6-3 307 4 Virginia Tech 02-13-1983
Stay

-Likes him but sees a potential for him to cut into Rabach pt, hes cut.
66 Dockery, Derrick G 6-6 325 7 Texas 09-07-1980
Gone

-Worst excuse for an olineman in years. This guy cant run thus he cant block, cut him twice.
78 Lichtensteiger, Kory G 6-3 290 2 Bowling Green 03-22-1985
Stay move to C

-Secret Weapon. he stays unless someone offers 2 first rounders
75 Hicks, Artis G/T 6-4 314 8 Memphis 11-28-1978
Gone

-Cant get enough of those proven vets, stays.

0 Williams, Mike G/T 6-6 339 6 Texas 01-11-1980
Gone

Who, gone, no more charity cases. cut

77 Brown, Jammal OT 6-6 313 5 Oklahoma 03-30-1981
Stay strater at RT

-Need tackles so he stays.
60 Capers, Selvish OT 6-4 308 R West Virginia 12-13-1985
Stay
- Oh your a converted TE thats only played 3 years of oline all on the right side. Lets make you the backup LT, stays.
67 Fulton, Xavier OT 6-5 301 2 Illinois 04-18-1986
Stay

-Huh?
74 Heyer, Stephon OT 6-6 332 3 Maryland 01-16-1984
Stay backup T

Awkward Tackles make for great guards, stay.
68 Oldenburg, Clint OT 6-5 310 1 Colorado State 09-09-1983
Stay

My kinda size, stay.
71 Williams, Trent OT 6-5 315 R Oklahoma 08-19-1988
Starter at LT

Clady 2.0. stay. Im a LT pickin machine.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 18, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Stu27 | January 18, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Stu27 | January 18, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Jibba jabba this:

Because we know (because Dan Snyder said it a couple of weeks ago at the WaPo sports ownership roundtable) that Skins are only half way into their occupancy schedule for FedEx, how about putting a Minnesota-style dome on it? Not so much for the cold, but rather for the hot ... and the loud. Last time Skins played the Cards at FedEx (not sure what year, but I know that Heyer was starting), I almost passed out from the heat. I noticed that the Falcons play in a dome. Make it so in Landover.

Posted by: dcsween | January 18, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

C'mon J. Reid you know that "hindsight is 50/50"

Posted by: rickyroge | January 18, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Moot points, regardless. While our intentions may have been honorable...

We weren't in position to close the deal on Sanchez -- given years and years of mismanagement of draft picks and players -- nor could we have done much in the way of player development to help him mature into a professional ball player.

Sanchez has succeeded with the Jets because he has been allowed to grow into the position and develop, while other players have been ready and willing to step up and share the load.

There is no such supporting cast of talent here. Quite the opposite, in fact.

As for Cutler, again it's a case of him being able to benefit from a strong supporting cast and coaching.

I suspecty he would not have survived here long, if at all.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 18, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | January 18, 2011 1:41 PM

Friends, we're lucky to have an original thinker amongst us. That's a great idea. Get's hot in the nosebleeds in September.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 18, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I am tired of hearing that Danny Smith is one of the best special teams coaches in the league. With the exception of this year, his return game has been weak. The only reason this year was better was because they brought in an assistant who specialized in returns. Every year there is an issue with a punter and/or a kicker. The only thing Smith is good at coaching is the coverage units. That's one third of his job, for Pete's sake!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Danny Smith is one of the best special teams coaches in the league.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 18, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Both Cutler and McNabb are under contract. Get the CBA done so we can trade those two. Skins probably need to cough up more than a ham sandwich, but it makes sense. Hopefully Cutler screws something up this weekend so Chicago can hate on him.

Posted by: dcsween | January 18, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I take it back. Don't want to part with the real grass field.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 18, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler and Mark Sanchez are each one win away from the Super Bowl. Should the Redskins have done more to get the quarterbacks they pursued before the 2009 season?

There have been some comments about how the Skins had chances at San and Cut and whiffed. Given how hard the Jets and the Bears pursued them two I don't see how the Skins could have gotten either, short of making a deal that even Danny or Vinny would have gagged on. But the Bears in particular are sort of what you might call the anti-Skins. They have done everything that Synderato would have done and it has worked! Christ Almighty!

1. Cut - gave up a ranch deed of draft picks for the dude and so far it has worked well although there have been some wobbly moments.

2. Signed a "name" HC. We're talking Mike Martz, he of "The Greatest Show on Turf" fame. Only they didn't make him HC. They made him OC and without him Cut would still be "ints and sacks and lots of wisecracks".

3. Signed a big name DL dude to a $$$ contract. Mr. Peepers, contrary to reports that he would take the $$$ and run, anchored a resurgent Bears D and made the pro bowl. Meanwhile, a certain other celeb DL dude who signed for $$$ as well, finished the season perched atop the toilet bowl.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Good idea about putting a dome on FEDEX Field -- but won't be holding my breath while waiting for it to happen.

I wouldn't even hazard a guess at how much it might cost just to study the idea -- let alone implement it.

Just consider the team's apparent reluctance to build a practice shell so they can keep going in inclement weather. I suspect the only way that will ever get done is if Danny somehow signs some sort of naming or sponsorship deal that covers the cost of the shell, and also generates some recurring revenue for the continued "privilege" of keeping it inflated.

And concerning a dome for FEDEX, I suspect that Dan Snyder would have to be convinced that it could be added either:

1 - At no cost to the franchise, or

2 - As a potential money maker for the franchise.

I cannot imagine him ever shelling out his own money to get it done.

Nor would I expect him to ever have the gumption and wherewithal to collaborate with local and state authorities in some sort of cost-sharing agreement.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 18, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I am tired of hearing that Danny Smith is one of the best special teams coaches in the league. With the exception of this year, his return game has been weak. The only reason this year was better was because they brought in an assistant who specialized in returns. Every year there is an issue with a punter and/or a kicker. The only thing Smith is good at coaching is the coverage units. That's one third of his job, for Pete's sake!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Danny Smith is one of the best special teams coaches in the league.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 18, 2011 1:52 PM
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This opinion inserted in brain by sports analysts that don't know anything about anything. Why don't you think about how you felt when Gano shanked a couple in the games this season? Or how you felt when ARE fair caught his twentieth punt in 2008?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

It's not the QB, it's the quality and depth of the supporting cast. I think either McNabb or Campbell could have succeeded as well as or better than Sanchez given their running game and defense. Hell, Grossman *did* take the Bears to a Super Bowl only four years ago. This town loves to obsess over QB's but that's really not where our primary weaknesses lie.

Posted by: jksesq1 | January 18, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

The QB position wasn't our weak link this year, nor was it last year. If we had either one, they would have led the league in int's because until the latter part of the season, the o-line was weak at best. Nor did the QB play on the defense that gave up leads when the offense did put up points. The QB didn't drop critical passes and on and on and on. So usually I don't mind the skins' topics, this one is moot.

Posted by: QSkinzfan | January 18, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

6. Beep-beep 'could' stop being a pompous prick

Posted by: monk811 | January 13, 2011 2:44 PM |

Heh, heh. Good one dude.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

This opinion inserted in brain by sports analysts that don't know anything about anything. Why don't you think about how you felt when Gano shanked a couple in the games this season? Or how you felt when ARE fair caught his twentieth punt in 2008?


Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Danny Smith is one of the best special teams coaches in the league.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 18, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Q: If we added Cutler and removed Brian Orakpo and Trent Williams would we be a better team?

A: No, Cutler would be on IR and our defense would be ranked 33rd (behind all 32 NFL teams and 1 college team)

Next question

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Good idea about putting a dome on FEDEX Field -- but won't be holding my breath while waiting for it to happen.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 18, 2011 2:02 PM |

Dude - it's a crazy idea.

1. DC is not a cold weather city.

2. Global warming means that eventually fans will be coming to Nov/Dec games in T's and shorts.

3. Football is a cold weather game.

4. There ain't a stadium within hundreds of miles of DC's latitude that has a dome.

5. Even the Pats with Boston's frigid weather and BB's icy stares don't have a dome.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"Did Redskins err on Cutler and Sanchez?"

No, and you'd have an absolute idiot to disagree.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Danny Smith is one of the best special teams coaches in the league.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 18, 2011 2:17 PM |

Dude - stats:

1. League rank of Skins ave starting field pos.

2. League rank of opp's ave starting field pos.

3. KO's into the end zone.

4. Trickeration.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

F'in iPhone.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Did Redskins err on Cutler and Sanchez?
By Washington Post editors


Idiotors...er, editors.

We bloggas beat y'all to the punch on this one:

Once upon a time, Vinny Cerrato and Daniel Snyder wanted to make a move to add either Mark Sanchez or Jay Cutler.

So who was right and wrong about adding gunslingin' young charismatic quarterbacks (Sanchez/Cutler)--the fans or Snyderatto?


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 9:44 AM

You're asking questions that have already been answered, fellas.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

They both would have failed miserably with the O line we have here.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 18, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

RI Went Down, Down, Down
And The Flames Went Higher

And It Burns, Burns, Burns
The Ring Of Fire

This happens when you scam from the posts of a dipstick like MistaHoeMoe.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21

They don't play here so who gives a sh-t wether we could have had them or not.

The real reason why it's a dumb question is that we already have two Super Bowl quarterbacks on the roster and aren't satisfied.

Neither Cutler or Sanchez have gotten their respective teams to the big game, so why ask a question assuming the unknown.

That's our job.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Did the Skins err over Cutler or Sanchez? At least so far, the answer is no.

The Skins erred in messing up Campbell and pursuing different QBs. That has cost this team dearly.

fwiw, Cutler was ranked 16th, Campbell 18th and Sanchez 27th. Campbell was probably the most effective running the ball of the 3.

Sanchez had a very good OL. Cutler and Campbell both had bad OLs that improved over the season.

Sanchez has superb receivers and a decent run game. Cutler had average receivers and a decent run game. Campbell had bad receivers until Jacoby Ford showed up midway thru the year and a very good run game.

And to the thinking person who suggested Campbell was benched for 3 of the Raider wins, that's wrong. Campbell was basically 7-5. Gradkowsi owned the losses to Houston, Miami and AZ (the AZ loss was more on the special teams than the QB) and the win over StL. Campbell owned the rest of it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 18, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

No, and you'd have an absolute idiot to disagree.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2011 2:21 PM |

Dude - you must be new to the RI blog. RI has lots of them (absolute idiots) and they disagree all the time!

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

tubularbells

And It Burns, Burns, Burns...The Ring Of Fire


That's why I told you lubricate your anus before I entered.

Next time, try spitting on the tip before I put it in you.

It won't burn as much.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

They both would have failed miserably with the O line we have here.

I dunno.

Wasn't Donovan McNabb on his way to a 4,000 yard passing season before he was benched?

Donovan McNabb 472 275 3,377 14 15

Yeah, he took a lot of sacks, but perhaps someone with abit more accuracy and quicker release doesn't.

You do have to wonder what a more efficient quarterback would do next Fall as the o-line improves.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins should absolutely not pursue a first round talent, or hot established veteran quarterback until they have an established, young group of stud lineman. You can have all the sexy backs, hot quarterback and stud recievers you want, and go absolutely nowhere without a high caliber offensive line. The Redskins organization has consistently neglected it's o-line in the long years of their demise, and have paid the price for it.

Posted by: murrayh | January 18, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

To the question at hand. No. We did not err.

Not that we couldn't use the gentlemen. But it would just be a shti storm to have 'em here now.

We're not loosing because of the QB position. We should expect to be winning, either.

We need our own guy when the time is right, which is after the CBA is sussed out.

I wouldn't say we ruined Campbell. I think he is what he is. In fact, I think he's a better QB BECAUSE of all the bs he faced here. On other teams he might have never come off the bench.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 18, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Danny Smith is one of the best special teams coaches in the league.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 18, 2011 2:17 PM

Horsesiht.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 18, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Snyder was right to pursue Cutler and Sanchez. Unfortunately both would have failed miserably due to the Skins' lack of skilled players and terrible oline

Posted by: coparker5 | January 18, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 18, 2011 2:39 PM |

Dude - you just ratcheted up the assinity of the San/Cut question by bringing Camp into the discussion. You do realize don't you that Camp's #s were compiled against the most suckhard div in the league. The Raids were 2-8 outside of their div. Even though the #s don't say it, the D of the teams in the AFC West was worse than the Skins, it was that bad.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, I'm hating the idea that rob ryan would go to dallas. They guy is a very good defensive coach AND it gives them a good chance at landing Nnamdi, which solve a huge problem for them.

dallas could be a lot better in 2011.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 18, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: wireman65 | January 18, 2011 2:58 PM |

Dude - you need to get with the times and upgrade your handle to "wirelessman65".

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

In fact, I think he's a better QB BECAUSE of all the bs he faced here.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 18, 2011 2:58 PM |

He's a better QB because he ended up playing in a suckhard div for Crissakes.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Dude - you need to get with the times and upgrade your handle to "wirelessman65".

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 3:02 PM

That would make it a little tough tagging marlin.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 18, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

6. Beep-beep 'could' stop being a pompous prick

Posted by: monk811 | January 13, 2011 2:44 PM |

Heh, heh. Good one dude.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

It sucks my tag-team-partner PlayAction didn't show up today, but I must say it was very peaceful here without our fearless leader beep-beep, he must've had to work a double cooking those fries. Something tells me the peacefulness will be gone by the time I get on here tomorrow.

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Even though the #s don't say it, the D of the teams in the AFC West was worse than the Skins, it was that bad.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

That's some weapons grade derp right there. FO defensive rankings:

#7 SD
#21 KC
#26 WAS
#30 DEN

Are you really trying to suggest that we had a better defense than KC or SD?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 18, 2011 2:39 PM |

Dude - you just ratcheted up the assinity of the San/Cut question by bringing Camp into the discussion. You do realize don't you that Camp's #s were compiled against the most suckhard div in the league. The Raids were 2-8 outside of their div. Even though the #s don't say it, the D of the teams in the AFC West was worse than the Skins, it was that bad.

Posted by: TubularBells


blah blah blah. Some folks will never admit Campbell had a good season. He had a 110 QB rating in his 2 games vs San Diego, the #1 ranked defense in football.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 18, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Bells,

I just mean that any skills he had were developed under extreme fire. And that if he hadn't played here - he may never have seen a starting rotation.

I don't mean he's a good QB or anything. I mean he's fulfilled his potential.

Oh & Fritz - D Smith is a big part of the problem. Cut Dead Weight. All the old HAS to go. I don't care if you think he's good or not (I don't think he's any good) - he still represents the old way of doing things. He needs to go. Now.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 18, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

So who was right and wrong about adding gunslingin' young charismatic quarterbacks (Sanchez/Cutler)--the fans or Snyderatto?


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 9:44 AM

Cutler is NOT charismatic, more like asthmatic or craptastic.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

And It Burns, Burns, Burns...The Ring Of Fire

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2011 2:44 PM |

The anus is yours and the ring of fire is the ring of flames around your anus from your anal gas self-combusting, which is fortunate because were it not to self-combust there would be an air quality hazard that would result in multiple hospitalizations, some requiring more oxygen tanks than a winded AH.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

That would make it a little tough tagging marlin.

Posted by: wireman65
__________

If my handle was based on fishing, it'd be TNTman65.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 18, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6017986

Interesting read about Cutler's peculiar brand of charisma.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 18, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

He had a 110 QB rating in his 2 games vs San Diego, the #1 ranked defense in football.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 18, 2011 3:10 PM |

It was like #10 based on ppg. Again, you have to take into account that these #s were compiled by shtiy teams playing each other. The Skins #s reflect the games they played against the like of the Eagles and their feeble-minded D game planning.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6017986

Interesting read about Cutler's peculiar brand of charisma.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 18, 2011 3:23 PM |

If by "peculiar" you mean b!tchy little pussball then I agree.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

If my handle was based on fishing, it'd be TNTman65.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 18, 2011 3:22 PM |

That's how rednecks catch fish. Which, if you're a Skins fan makes some sense.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

So who was right and wrong about adding gunslingin' young charismatic quarterbacks (Sanchez/Cutler)--the fans or Snyderatto?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 9:44 AM

Cutler is NOT charismatic, more like asthmatic or craptastic.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2011 3:16 PM
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I am not a Cutler fan but I have to say the guy is one tough hombre. I thought he was going to end the season in a body bag with the number of sacks he was taking, but he only missed a couple of games and now he's in the playoffs. I think he could have done okay in a Redskins uniform. As for Sanchez, no thanks. The Jets have one in spite of Sanchez, not because of Sanchez. If you want to talk about good offensive lines, look at what the Jets have. They give Sanchez a lot of time and just about any quarterback could eventually hit a target with that kind of time. This is all a joke to speculate on woulda, shoulda, and their brother coulda. You might as well speculate on why we didn't trade up to get Peyton Manning, unearth Tom Brady before New England did, or clone Sonny Jorgensen.


Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Its entirely possible that the Bears will face the Jets in the Super Bowl and since both teams have stout defenses they could smack around Cutler and Sanchez. How cool would it be to have the game come down to Todd Collins vs. Mark Brunell? Not sure who wins that match up.

Posted by: will_ga | January 18, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

He had a 110 QB rating in his 2 games vs San Diego, the #1 ranked defense in football.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 18, 2011 3:10 PM |

It was like #10 based on ppg. Again, you have to take into account that these #s were compiled by shtiy teams playing each other. The Skins #s reflect the games they played against the like of the Eagles and their feeble-minded D game planning.

Posted by: TubularBells |

Twist it and turn it anyway you like. SD was down in points because their special teams gave up a bunch.

Campbell actually sat for the two best chances to light up a defense ... Houston and AZ.

As for points allowed:
NFC East: 436, 377, 377, 347
AFC West: 471, 371, 326, 322

NFC East teams allowed more points than AFC West teams.

NFC East record: 32-32. AFC West record: 31-33.

You keep trying to find ways to slight Campbell. Problem with that is ... he was effective, except for a couple of games.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 18, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The Jets have one in spite of Sanchez, not because of Sanchez.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 3:32 PM |

Dude - you must have nodded off when San made them nifty, thread-the-needle, tight-spiral throws to Edwards, Holmes and Crotchety against the Pats.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 18, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

The Jets have one in spite of Sanchez, not because of Sanchez.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 3:32 PM |

That's won good point.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 18, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

How cool would it be to have the game come down to Todd Collins vs. Mark Brunell? Not sure who wins that match up.

Posted by: will_ga
__________

The team with the better RB.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 18, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Somebody must have said this by now but I shall say it again:

The question assumes the premise that we didn't try to get these players. Rumours had it that Snyderrato desperately wanted to trade up to get Sanchez but could not, because they had traded all their drafts picks years previous so didn't have enough to offer. Cutler we tried less hard to get without selling the future (AGAIN) but the Broncos reportedly didn't want Campbell.

And anyway, is anybody seriously sold on Sanchez?

Yes, the guy is only in his second season, but its his second year in the same system, with that offensive line, a good running game that they lean on to limit his exposure, a good set of receivers and in a league with pass-friendly rules, he completed 54.8% of his passes.

Yeah yeah, stats don't tell the full story and don't prove anything etc etc, but 54.8% for a sophomore QB in the modern NFL?

Pass. At the moment his playoff success looks more the Trent Dilfer effect to me, 3 TD passes against the Pats notwithstanding.

Posted by: craig81 | January 18, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

toothlessonballs (TubularBells)

The anus is yours and the ring of fire is the ring of flames around your anus from your anal gas self-combusting, .....


You poor insolent drone.

Your best just ain't good enough.

You are the 'before' and 'after' in the photo for Bloggin' For Dummies.

You're trying to come at me with my own insult and carried it out poorly.

Let me inservice you:

--insults should be quick and to the point

(think of the sex you have--only slower in time)

--word play helps if the joke isn't funny

(think of your name: toothlessonballs for tubularbells)

--a quick response always works

(you waited forever and a day to respond to my insult, but you'll notice, I hit right back like a penis across the face)

--try to pick on a blogga on your level

(wait til forrest gump come on, then insult him)

He's on your level.

And he sits next to you on the short bus.

Unless, of course, he sees you and shouts, "Seat's taken!"

Then you got to deal with a put down from someone just like you: a retard.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 18, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, such a boring question/post. So glad we're getting a new Redskins Insider beat writer.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | January 18, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Campbell was effective? Sure, if the effect is to barely subside until you get eliminated.

He's not even a game manager. He's got some basic skills. But that windup is so slow you can hear it wratchet.

I thought we were done with this SJK? If I never hear the name Campbell again, it'll be too soon.

Unless it's a Rhinestone Cowboy.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 18, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

And anyway, is anybody seriously sold on Sanchez?

I am.

6 playoff games in your second year as a pro is not bad.

And no matter the whining about the defense and offense, he is the dude who calls the plays in the huddle and makes the throws.

Give the kid props: he hasn't choked on the big stage.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 18, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Campbell was effective? Sure, if the effect is to barely subside until you get eliminated.

He's not even a game manager. He's got some basic skills. But that windup is so slow you can hear it wratchet.

I thought we were done with this SJK? If I never hear the name Campbell again, it'll be too soon.

Unless it's a Rhinestone Cowboy.

Posted by: DikShuttle

Campbell Campbell Campbell.

And you'll like it because its better than Grossman Grossman Grossman.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 18, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you can knock on either Sanchez or Cutler, at least not their play.

It would be nice if we could get two/three games into the playoffs in the next couple, eh?

Let's get the groundwork... then go!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 18, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse


#3 Defense
#3 Offensive line
#5 Special Teams
#5 Rushing
#19 Passing

Yeah, Sanchez is feakin awesome derp!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Campbell Campbell Campbell.

And you'll like it because its better than Grossman Grossman Grossman.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 18, 2011 4:01 PM |

JC17 no longer plays here so if you want to suck his d-ck please go to Oakland and do it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 18, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Campbell = Grossman - some skills & not much else.

LMAO @ Flounder!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 18, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

This question is a couple days late, and a few dollars short.

Anyhow, neither of these QBs are really the "reason" why their teams are contending for a championship.

The Bears/Jets are defense-driven teams.

For both of them, the QB needs to make enough plays to put some points on the board, and then do their best not to screw it up with dumb turnovers once the game has been handed to their defense.


I'm glad we didn't break any banks or cough up bunches of draft picks for either of these guys.

We went 6-10 with Donovan McNabb and Rex Grossman, and I don;t see Mark Sanchez or Jay Cutler doing anything better than that with this team.

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

JC17 no longer plays here so if you want to suck his d-ck please go to Oakland and do it.

Posted by: Flounder21

well that was rude

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 18, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Campbell = Grossman - some skills & not much else.

LMAO @ Flounder!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 18, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

You accidentally typed skills instead of turnovers.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

OMG Al Davis live on NFL Channel...

Was he in a car accident or did Tom Cable but a beating on him lol.

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 18, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Campbell had 50+ starts to PROVE that he wasn't the answer.... McNabb had 13.

Time to move on from both.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Campbell had 50+ starts to PROVE that he wasn't the answer.... McNabb had 13.

Time to move on from both.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe QB is not the problem?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Another stupid poll

Posted by: edvar | January 18, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, I keep bringing up Campbell because of the way this organization -- including the CURRENT leadership -- has looked at the QB spot. We've tossed away several quality QBs over the years in the hunt for something better.

You'd think it wouldn't be hard to improve on Campbell. But ... its harder than people think. We didn't do it with a 5 time Pro Bowler and a genius offensive-minded HC.

Historically, we've also let go of guys that turned out to be pretty good -- Trent Green and Rich Gannon among them.

The big picture is that this team -- including the CURRENT leadership -- has spent a ton of resources fixing the wrong things. Campbell isn't a great QB, but he wasn't near the top of the list of problems, either.

As long as management keeps trying to fix the things that aren't problems (like the 4-3 defense) or the QB, this franchise will struggle.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 18, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Al Davis loves Campbell apparently...He also said Richard Seymour is young.

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 18, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Give the kid props: he hasn't choked on the big stage.

gimmesummoe | January 18, 2011 3:57 PM

True enough and more than happy to grant him that.

But until they face somebody in the play-offs who shuts down their rush attack and scores on their defense and Sanchez has to pass 40+ times and bring them back with passing, I cannot get past that 54.8 completion %.

Even at the end of his second season he has something like one game is it with 35 - 40 plus pass attempts? OK many coaches don't necessarily want to put a young QB in a position where he has to pass that many times and carry the offense/team and they can win other ways so don't necessarily need to.

But until such time as he has proven he can, I'm not sold on him.

Maybe it will happen against Pittsburgh though - would have thought there is a good chance they will try to stop the Jets ground game first.

Posted by: craig81 | January 18, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins need to draft a WR in the 1st round, QB in the 2nd and a RB with next pick.

This draft should be about skill positions...players with big names. Lineman can be found on the waiver wire, they are a dime a dozen.

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | January 18, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse


JC17 no longer plays here so if you want to suck his d-ck please go to Oakland and do it.

Posted by: Flounder21

well that was rude

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 18, 2011 4:12 PM |
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still an adolescent

Posted by: hessone | January 18, 2011 5:16 PM | Report abuse

craig

But until they face somebody in the play-offs who shuts down their rush attack

How is it any quarterback's issue that no one can shut down his offense's rush attack?

The knock on Sanchez was that he didn't have the college playing experience to be an NFL quarterback--and to date, he has not choked on the big stage of the playoffs.

His play was erratic to start the game Sunday, but he made 3 very solid passes for touchdowns: the touch pass to Holmes in the corner of the end zone was pretty.

He's led his team to wins against two of the best franchises in sports: the Pats and the Colts.

And you give him props as the quarterback gets the hoots when his team loses and should get the cheers when they win.

That's just how it is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

This draft is going to be a lot like last year's from the Skins' perspective: they need help everywhere but TE.

So they should be more active in free agency. Really no choice. They don't have enough choices to build through the draft, and Shanahan isn't interested in things that take a long time to materialize.

But this isn't a year for franchise o-linemen, so take that off the table with the 10 pick. No clear top QB, either. We're probably looking at Mallett or Cam Newton. They're physically similar but play like exact opposites. If it was me, I'd take a chance on Mallett. Not a mobile guy, and he needs time to develop, but Newton is going to be hard to evaluate coming out of that Auburn scheme.

The BPA at 10 may well be a defensive lineman.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 18, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

As for Cutler vs Sanchez, no comparison. Cutler is one of the 6 best QBs in football, even though he's mistake-prone. Like Favre, he'll win you some, lose you some. Sanchez is very good for a young guy, but he's more field general than playmaker.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 18, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

if iam in shanahan's shoes as far as the oline is concern this is what i would do this coming offseason i find out as far as how far Erik Cook has progressed and has he progressed enough to the point where i can insert in at right guard,if i can that would mean that lichtensteiger can stay at lg and rabach can play center and finish his contract after that you have the option of either keeping lichternsteiger at lg or moving him to center or draft a center and keep him at guard period as far as montgomery goes not only he's playing out of position which is center he's not strong enough for guard you keep jammal brown at right tackle that way you have two third's of your line figured out but one thing shanahan can't do is replace people all the time no matter what position then he's ruining chemistry of the team.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | January 18, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

wait, is this the same WaPo, that basically... editorially speaking, had it's writers pan and needle the Redskins for even considering either Cutler or Sanchez? seriously. for one whole offseason, all i heard on here from the WaPo was "how dare the Redskins consider those Qb's because it's an insult to nice guy Campbell". grrr and now you pan the Skins for "missing out". JESUS F'in CHRIST. the post is the best newspaper in D.C., except when it comes to covering the Skins. it's obvious that the post CANNOT cover the Skins without a negative slant. i'm pretty sure 95% of Skins fans will collectively send the WaPo a large and extended middle finger for this crap. did i mention that the Post, otherwise... is one of the best papers in the U.S.?!?!? please, please, please cover the Redskins with the same honest diligence. unbelievable.

Posted by: destewar | January 19, 2011 4:17 AM | Report abuse

No way, sanchez will be the undoing of the Jets, and the same can be said for Cutler.

Posted by: jfoster1000 | January 19, 2011 4:40 AM | Report abuse

No way, sanchez will be the undoing of the Jets, and the same can be said for Cutler.

Posted by: jfoster1000 | January 19, 2011 4:40 AM | Report abuse

Yes, where is Cutler and where is Sanchez and where is Jason Campbell?

It was that idiot Wilbon who said the Skins were stupid to go for Cutler or Sanchez when they had Campbell.

See...Wilbon likes to make stupid remarks he calls analysis, and then when his analysis fails, he's not held accountable.

When Vick was put in jail for dogfighting, Wilbon said Vick was done. Again...Wilbon is wrong.

Good riddance to Wilbon.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 19, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse

If we're gonna build a new stadium I say we make it the exact same replica as the ol RFK stadium. Have the other team so close to the fans you can beat em with a stick. Maybe make it so it seats a few more than it used to but not much like 5,000 or so. RFK was sssssoooooooo loud and was a true 12th man stadium something that FedEx is not.

Posted by: tlaw21 | January 21, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

NyallsStJohnSmytheIV with all due respect this isn't Madden. You saying offensive lineman are a dime a dozen has got to be one of the most uneducated football statements I've ever heard in my life!!!! The game is won in the trenches. We don't need to waste a 10th overall pick on a receiver unless it's a game changer like Calvin Johnson and at 10 there will be no receiver worth taking. We should trade down because we need more picks and then address in the draft what we don't in FA. We can resign Moss and sign a solid FA like James Jones for fairly cheap. Put JJ and AA on the outside and Moss in the slot and hopefully Kelly will actually heal next year and throw BB out there every once in awhile and we will have a decent receiving corp. Hopefully if we can trade down get a top guard and center in the draft and a stud FS. Dude there just isn't that good of receivers after green out there jones is good but he's not a guy I would spend a top 10er on.

Posted by: tlaw21 | January 21, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

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