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Timing Is Everything Now

Should have mentioned earlier in the week how impressive the pace of the Skins offense was in the second half Sunday. They were much closer to the tempo Jim Zorn wants. The offense's ability to protect the football could be huge as well. Turnovers are always a difference-maker, but the Cardinals have been particularly prone to them in recent seasons.

Kurt Warner has had a great start this season, but he is notorious for failing to secure the ball. Even a little contact on him can go a long, long way. He fumbles easily and is among the NFL leaders this decade in fumbles in the pocket, according to sources with access to such stats. He's the quintessential clock-and-timing guy as well; if you can throw him off his rhythm just a bit and disrupt him from the script, he tends to make poor decisions.

The Skins' game plan in recent years against the Cards was predicated on this element of play, sources said. They dropped ends into coverage and tried to keep the offense off balance as much as possible, disguising blitzes with exotic packages (the Skins do much less of this now).

The goal has been to jam and reroute huge WRs Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald. The Skins play a lot of press man coverage and that seems unlikely to change. The corners have to use their upper body strength to derail the receivers before they really start to get downfield. They cannot allow Fitzgerald and Boldin to have easy releases off the line.

Again, clock and timing. Getting the Cards even a fraction of a second out-of-sync is imperative. This could be a big day for Jason Taylor coming off the edge. And I would imagine FS LaRon Landry will be pretty active, too. I don't envision the Cards taking as few vertical attempts as the Saints did a week ago.

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Steinberg follows the Portis v. B-Mitch contretemps.

By Jason La Canfora  |  September 17, 2008; 8:25 AM ET
 
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numero uno

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Cindy | September 17, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

JLC do not do it often but agree with your post, I think Taylor can have a huge game Zona's offensive line is not that good, and they can not run the ball.

Warner has been sacked 5 times already and that was by the 49'rs and Dolphins defenses, and they stink so we should be able to pin our ears back and go after him.

Posted by: Flounder | September 17, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Last week they played the 'Phins with an incredibly bad pass rush.

I would expect 'Zona to come out Running, not passing against us, given our personnel.

Yes, the above analysis holds. But if we ignore the run I think we'll pay for it.

Once they do start passing it, I think we'll have some success breaking up their timing.

Posted by: Dik | September 17, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

rhythm of nads

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

First off, congratulations to Horton for being NFC defensive player of the week. He played a whale of a game, no doubt about that.

That said, your achilles heel this week is one Carlos Rogers. Kurt will throw Carlos' way any time he can. I'm confident Carlos will be able to spell either Fitzgerald or Boldin perfectly by the end of the game, 'cause he will be reading the backs of their jerseys quite often.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

try to eliminate oneof their recievers all together, preferably Fitzgerald he is their bigger reds zone and TD waepon, I know Boldins a stud and had a huge week last week but Larry is how they truely put up points. We used to do a staight up WR spy with Sean on guys like TO or Randy I could see us doings something similar with Laron on Fitzgerlad or Boldin.

Posted by: Stu | September 17, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Fyi, there's this from the Bogman on Portis-B-Mitch:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/09/portis_vs_b-mitch_highlights.html

Posted by: Cindy | September 17, 2008 8:26 AM

Cindy,

B-Mitch is an analyst, and though he is negative towards the Skins alot, he did play for them and I think he really cares about the team.

Portis can get mad all he wants but Mitch was correct in calling him out about the preseason and practice, Portis would be much better if he did not dog it in preseason and practice.

Do you think Jim Brown doged it ever or Walter Payton and they played in a way more violent NFL.

CP stop listening to the critics and keep playing ball these players worrie to much about was is said and not enough about winning, if you win your critics will change there tune.

Posted by: Flounder | September 17, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Remember, you have to apply pressure to Warner every play. He only has to connect deep two or three times and we've got 21 points. I'm sure you realize Carlos is wetting the bed at night knowing what's coming his way and unable to stop it.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

We just need to outscore these foolz:

35-31 Skins

Posted by: Nickels | September 17, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Yes, the above analysis holds. But if we ignore the run I think we'll pay for it.

Once they do start passing it, I think we'll have some success breaking up their timing.

Posted by: Dik | September 17, 2008 8:28 AM

Dik,

They are averaging 2. something a carrie they have no run, sure we will have to look for it but it is not a concern, if they can not run against the two Div 1 AA teams they have played, then they can not run on us.

Posted by: Flounder | September 17, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Fewer vertical attempts? Thats the only offense they have!

Onto the subject of our exotic blitz packages, well, we've played two good offensive teams and our defense has done a pretty decent job. 16 vs the Super Bowl Champs, and 17 vs the Saints, and 7 of those were setup by ARE fumblin in our own 20.

I'd give it a 'B' for its performance so far this season. It seems not blitzing every down makes the times you do blitz more effective, something Gregg Williams would occasionally forget (Remember that game vs. the Bucs a couple years back where we kept getting torched by single coverage on Galloway? Gregg blitzed almost every down and they made him pay for not adjusting.)

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 17, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Ha! Foolish mortals! No way can Washington put up 28+ points two weeks in a row. Even folks on this blog would find that incredible...

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

A random aside note, some may think is political but its not:

Today is Constitution Day, celebrating the signing of the most important document in our nation's history. You don't get the day off like you do for things like that day a magical bunny comes around and gives you candy or that day a magical man in a red suit comes around and gives you toys. Nor-will you probably hear anyone reading those sacred words "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union…" But do yourself a favor and give it a quick re-read.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

King,

Good to see you back talking more smack, I think you will find it harder to pass on us then those two bum teams you played.

Posted by: Flounder | September 17, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

A random aside note, some may think is political but its not:

Today is Constitution Day, celebrating the signing of the most important document in our nation's history. You don't get the day off like you do for things like that day a magical bunny comes around and gives you candy or that day a magical man in a red suit comes around and gives you toys. Nor-will you probably hear anyone reading those sacred words "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union…" But do yourself a favor and give it a quick re-read.


Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 8:38 AM

Alex,

What magical man in a red suit, are you telling me Santa Clause is not real, I think I am going to cry.

Posted by: Flounder | September 17, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

We don't have to run to beat you; we almost pulled if off last year with a one-armed Warner and no running game. My guess is that you'll be so concerned with providing help for your weak secondary that you'l open up running lanes for Edgerrin. A good chance he may sniff near 100 this week because of our double deep threat.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Cyn!

What the SJK happened to Brian Mitchel?! Did Portis nail his sister or something?

I don't know what all's been said, and Mitchell's pedigree cuts him some major slack... But the third person is a little much.

D-Shut

Posted by: The AMAZING Dik Shuttle of the Fabulous ShuttleLOUNGE | September 17, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

king card,

Carlos only fears the double move.

Warner has no time
Double move results in sacks
Taylor ends Kurts game

Posted by: bangkokben | September 17, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

'Mornin' Flounder! Yeah, chippin' away here. I really think Carlos is in for a tough day Sunday.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Cant say I have fully watched any of Zonas games thus far. Does Kurt still have his crazy robo arm he ended last year with? that thing was absurd.

Posted by: Stu | September 17, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I think you all forget the great players in our history. There's Dan Dierdorf, Conrad Dobler, Neil Lomax, Roy Green, and don't forget all the rushing records Emmitt Smith set!

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

King,

He has not sniffed 100 in both games combined, so get the hell out of here with that.

Also you have given up 347 passing yards and 180 yards on the ground against two of the worst teams in the NFL so do not talk about how bad someone elses defense is.

Posted by: Flounder | September 17, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

your achilles heel this week is one Carlos Rogers. Kurt will throw Carlos' way any time he can.
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You know what Rogers problem is? He doesn't finish. In week one he had a huge opportunity for a pic, he jumped the route, klunk. Wooden hands.

Problem is, he goes flying by the receiver, and in going for the interception, he only deflected the ball up a little bit. The WR couldnt react fast enough, and its a good thing because he would have had a TD. But Rogers was halfway to the endzone smacking himself for missing the pick as his man is still trying to make a play!

I've noticed the same theme repeat a number of times. He'll deflect a ball and stop playing, leaving his man to bobble the ball trying to make a play. Then he'll celebrate like hes Champ Bailey. No, Rogers. Until the ball hits the ground, you haven't done jack.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 17, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

That said, your achilles heel this week is one Carlos Rogers. Kurt will throw Carlos' way any time he can. I'm confident Carlos will be able to spell either Fitzgerald or Boldin perfectly by the end of the game, 'cause he will be reading the backs of their jerseys quite often.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 8:31 AM

King, Carlos may have hands of stone and cannot catch the ball, but he is good in coverage and breaking up plays.

And as far as last year that was last year no repeat of that this year we are going to hang 30 something on Zona this week. Last weeks first half field goals are touchdowns this week.

Posted by: wstclair | September 17, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Flounder - I think Edge did break 100 in Week 1. Somehow I have him on one of my fantasy teams...on the bench that is.

Posted by: Chris | September 17, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Come on, These teams were leaving Boldin uncovered down the field on fly routes. Boldin is a great player but he isn't the fastest man out there. No way he should be scoring 75 yard stright line touchdowns.

As much crap that gets talked about him, it still won't happen on Rodgers watch. 35 -17 Skins

Posted by: Pleepleus | September 17, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Sorry King James has 155 yards in two games, but again I could have those stats against those two teams.

Posted by: Flounder | September 17, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, agreed on the 'pinning of ears back' statement above. I think Blache isn't gonna let Warner get in a rythym and throw the ball all over the field.

King, what is your HONEST assessment of the Cardinals defense?? I see Dockett, Dansby, and Wilson as really good players on D, but help me out with some others, and don't give me homeristic crap either, bring something to back it up.

Posted by: Greg | September 17, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Rogers

Posted by: Pleeps | September 17, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Nice Haiku!

Posted by: Dik | September 17, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union…"

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 8:38 AM

When these words were written, it didn't have jack schitt to do with people of the same pigment as me.

F constitution day.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Truth be told, if your team can stop us, they have a great shot against Philly and Dallas, both very potent offenses. But if it becomes a shootout, Washington hasn't proven yet that they can hang with a team. Safe money says you need to keep it low to keep the odds in your favor.

My bet is the game turns on QB mistakes. Either Warner or Campbell is going to make that critical mistake that turns the tide. When either of these QB's are off, they're butt-ugly. Neither is too good at fighting through slow starts.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

king card = regular RI blogger

otherwise you'll stick around. this place is just too damn cool

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Truth be told, if your team can stop us, they have a great shot against Philly and Dallas, both very potent offenses. But if it becomes a shootout, Washington hasn't proven yet that they can hang with a team. Safe money says you need to keep it low to keep the odds in your favor.

My bet is the game turns on QB mistakes. Either Warner or Campbell is going to make that critical mistake that turns the tide. When either of these QB's are off, they're butt-ugly. Neither is too good at fighting through slow starts.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 8:53 AM

Arizona has proven they can win a shootout against a good team when did this happen.

Cowgirls and Eagles offenses are not that potent, it just happens that both there defensive backfields suck.

Posted by: Flounder | September 17, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I think you all forget the great players in our history. There's Dan Dierdorf, Conrad Dobler, Neil Lomax, Roy Green, and don't forget all the rushing records Emmitt Smith set!

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 8:47 AM

yeah that ring of fame sure is stunning. great names all around...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Redskin Brethren,I need your input on this one:I found myself in a heated debate with another skins fan (its amazing to me that I spend more time arguing with other skins fans about OUR players than I do with fans of other teams)but anyway,the conversation went like this:
HIM:Man we better be on point or were gonna get smoked in Dal and Phila.
ME:True,but when you have an All-Pro safety a lot of that stuff that was open deep down the middle wont be there.
HIM:We dont have an AP safety so whats your point?
ME:Yes we do,Laron was an alternate last year(in his rookie season I might add.)
HIM:Alternates aren't considered AP's,get real.
ME:Uh alts are considered to be AP's or they wouldn't name them,they would just let any safety show up in case somebody else couldn't play.
HIM:Man,Laron is suspect and he is going to be exposed.
ME:Name one safety in the NFC you would take over him?
HIM:Brian Dawkins,I would even take Mike Brown over him.
ME:WTF!!!Man listen there are only 3 safety's in the NFL I would take over Dirty,SANDERS,POLUMALO AND A HEALTHY REED,THATS IT,LIST CLOSED!!
Now Brethren help me out here,am I looking at LL with Burgandy and Gold colored glasses,or is there another safety other than the 3 I named that is better than him?Your thoughts.

Posted by: dawglbs | September 17, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

"But if it becomes a shootout, Washington hasn't proven yet that they can hang with a team."

I disagree - based on this year's games 29-24 is more of shootout than 16-7.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 17, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

KING CARD: Phoenix is a loser city with loser teams. Take your pathetic loser azz back to AZ to the desert. How many Super Bowls have the Cards won? HAHAHA How bout the Suns, getting bounced in the playoffs every year. What a sh!ttown!!! Losers always find ways to run there mouths. I heard you can go to a Cards game and get tickets on game day for 20 bucks, I heard it's the esiest ticket in town, PATHETIC!!!!

Warner has yet to see a D like the Skins, now I'm not saying were going to come out and easily win, but with a pass rush far better than the phins and 49ers combined, carlos does not need to be on top of his game.

Loser. HAHA

Posted by: haha cards suck | September 17, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

"...King James has 155 yards in two games..."

Posted by: Flounder | September 17, 2008 8:50 AM

When did LeBron James start playing football? He'll would've made an EXCELLENT TE.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Daw,

Dalkins sucks in coverage but he can come up and knock your lights out, but no way I take him over Dirty.

Posted by: Flounder | September 17, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Steinberg breaks down Portis vs B-Mitch again this morning...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/09/breaking_down_portis-vs-brian.html

Posted by: joeblazin | September 17, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

dawg,

Your wrong about the all-pro - that's voted by the AP but right about safeties, I wouldn't taken one over Landry - he's the reason this defense works.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 17, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

King, I gotta agree with KM on this one, when you start comparing AZ with Philly and Dallas, thats when you've got to get called on the carpet. If Edge was 24 years old, and Kurt was the MVP Kurt of years past then I might agree with you, but, they're a long way from those days.

Posted by: Greg | September 17, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the knowledge BK.

Posted by: dawglbs | September 17, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Redskin Brethren,I need your input on this one:I found myself in a heated debate with another skins fan (its amazing to me that I spend more time arguing with other skins fans about OUR players than I do with fans of other teams)but anyway,the conversation went like this:
HIM:Man we better be on point or were gonna get smoked in Dal and Phila.
ME:True,but when you have an All-Pro safety a lot of that stuff that was open deep down the middle wont be there.
HIM:We dont have an AP safety so whats your point?
ME:Yes we do,Laron was an alternate last year(in his rookie season I might add.)
HIM:Alternates aren't considered AP's,get real.
ME:Uh alts are considered to be AP's or they wouldn't name them,they would just let any safety show up in case somebody else couldn't play.
HIM:Man,Laron is suspect and he is going to be exposed.
ME:Name one safety in the NFC you would take over him?
HIM:Brian Dawkins,I would even take Mike Brown over him.
ME:WTF!!!Man listen there are only 3 safety's in the NFL I would take over Dirty,SANDERS,POLUMALO AND A HEALTHY REED,THATS IT,LIST CLOSED!!
Now Brethren help me out here,am I looking at LL with Burgandy and Gold colored glasses,or is there another safety other than the 3 I named that is better than him?Your thoughts.

Brian Dawkins has been done for a about three years now. If anyone would even have him on their team they are insane. After monday night people are jsut starting to realize he looks like a little boy lost in the mall, something that anyone watching the game would have known 2 years ago.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Greg: I honestly think the defense is trying to define itself this year. They held Frisco to 13, which went up to Seattle and hung 33 on the 'Hawks (ahem, which your team couldn't do). I know it's early, but they are playing pretty physical for a Cardinal defense (yes, I'm grounded in reality). I think this week will be a great test for them. They put away the teams they should; now we see how that defense plays against a team that on paper has more talent, but quite often lacks the will to win. Here's their key to a win: get to Campbell early and often to keep him out of rhythm, even if that means Portis has big runs between the 20's. Once Campbell is disrupted, it's unlikely he'll recover in the 2nd half, and then they can step up to stop the run, 'cause JC will be done. That's the book on Campbell. If the Cards can do that on the road against a better team, that defense will take a large step forward in credibility. That's as honest as I can be...

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, sometimes you worry me. Dallas & Philly aren't good offenses? You got me there....

Posted by: Dik | September 17, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

dawglbs, I agree with you all the way, bro. I thought after last year Laron in about four years will be the best safety in the league.
I don't see how your boy named Mike Brown when he can't even stay on the field. I'm betting that he will be hurt again, and miss multiple games, if not the entire season AGAIN this year.

The safety from the steelers (last name sounds like the dish detergent) is nice, but I think their front seven makes him what he is in coverage, but he plays the run very well though. But he has trouble staying on the field too.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 17, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

To continue on, Sanders and troy don't have nearly the converage ability Landry does. They are good players and difference makes but in a very different way. They don't have the range or skills of landry.

Posted by: Pleeps | September 17, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

King,

I appreciate optimistic smack talk as much as the next guy, but our defense is better this year, for whatever reason.

Our D line is upgraded significantly against the pass, our LBs have some depth with a healthy Rocky, and our DBs have some depth with Horton stepping up. And if Springs plays, that makes the aforementioned Rogers actually the nickel back, exposing him even less.

With no X-back like the Saints had, I expect a healthy dose of JT and AC meetings in the backfield.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 17, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Adrian Wilson, I think is someone who is on par, or better than LL, AT THIS POINT. I think they have similar skill sets, but I believe that LL has a bigger upside because of the area he can cover.

Reed, while a great athlete, is getting along in years.

Mike Brown? WTH?? Thats just hater talk.

Posted by: Greg | September 17, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

If we are really trying to ground ourselves in reality lets go back to this fact. The Cardinals are in the weakest division in all of football, they are consistantly picked to makes the playoffs, and they can't even secure what would amount to basically a free wildcard spot. They are LOSERS with a loser team.

Posted by: Pleepleus | September 17, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Mr.Haha Cards suck: why do you find it so necessary to sprinkle your posts with HAHA all the time? Nothing of what you wrote was either humorous or even slightly witty. When you write HAHA, you're tipping everyone off that you know aren't funny and need to tell folks when to laugh. Try not writing everything you think. Use that little editor in your skull to find insights that might be amusing or add to this blog. Now, off to school with you....

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

If the Cards can do that on the road against a better team, that defense will take a large step forward in credibility. That's as honest as I can be...

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:07 AM

Well it's good you acknowledged who the better team is...

Posted by: joeblazin | September 17, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, sometimes you worry me. Dallas & Philly aren't good offenses? You got me there....

Posted by: Dik | September 17, 2008 9:07 AM

I did not say they were not good, I said they are not as great as people think they are. If you watched the game Monday night you would have seen tons of blown coverages or no coverage at all from either team. If you give those two QB wide open recievers and time they will kill anyone.

I want to see the Cowgirls play a team with good coverage people, and if they do the same to them then maybe I will change my tune but not yet.

Posted by: Flounder | September 17, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

The only positive I took from that game is that Dallas' secondary is even worse than last year, if that is even possible.

Posted by: Pleeps | September 17, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

FYI,

2007 AP all-pro safeties were Bob Sanders (Defensive player of the year) and Ed Reed.

Laron is only going to get better but if we could I'd take Sean Taylor.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 17, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dawglbs | September 17, 2008 8:56 AM
I wont take polumalu (sp?) or saunders. Both get hurt way too much same for reed and reed is getting pretty old. I woulf take LL over any other saftey.

Posted by: SAK | September 17, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Careful who you call losers. Remember what an awful egg you laid in Seattle in your playoff game, when you were actually favored by many folks to go in and win there. I'd rather not make the playoffs then go in and stink it up as bad as the 'Skins did. You really looked like you didn't belong there at all. Especially after Seattle got spanked the next week in Green Bay, a team you ALMOST beat but self-destructed against.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Cardinals? Defense? Is it some golden achievement holding the suck azz 49ers offense to 13 points?

I'll be honest I can't explain putting up 33 points against Seattle... I guess the sun shines on a dogs a$$ somedays.

Did Seattle have any significant injuries going into or during the game?

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 17, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

On Portis vs. B-Mitch

I think there is plenty of criticism to spread around.

I tend to agree with bMitch's take on Portis. I like CP as a back, but he's got a primadonna streak in him that is very unpalatable.

At the same time, B-Mitch is totally a hater. He was one of my favorite Skins, but he's bitter about being shown the door at FedEx and felt pushed out by Snyder b/c his locker room presence was too "big". Not only that, but no one else I have heard on the radio responds with so much defensiveness and insecurity when his POV gets challenged. It's annoying because you want to hear some good back and forth on the radio. Unfortunately B-Mitch is one breath away from becoming an ESPN-blowhard in the vein of Sean Salisbury and Stephen A. Smith where he just shouts people down who disagree - that schtick gets old after a while.

Posted by: p1funk | September 17, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I hear you Greg,I can definately see Wilson in this debate.Wouldn't take him over Dirty,but he's there.

Posted by: dawglbs | September 17, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Oh I freely admint that the 'Skins are the better team on paper going in to this game, but I don't think they'll be the better team when the final score is hung. And that's why they play the game. At the end of the day, it's all about the W. If we win, you'll have to say we're the better team.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

King, thanks for the honesty.

I guess my underlying point was, yeah agreed, you need to pressure Campbell, and all 31 other qb's too for that matter. WHO on your team is going to do that?? I only see Dockett as the person on the line who could possibly generate pressure.

You might want to let your left DE know that Samuels/Kendall are gonna be running over his behind all game long...

Posted by: Greg | September 17, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I think you all forget the great players in our history. There's Dan Dierdorf, Conrad Dobler, Neil Lomax, Roy Green, and don't forget all the rushing records Emmitt Smith set!

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 8:47 AM

What about Stump Mitchell ?? LOL !!

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | September 17, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union…"

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 8:38 AM

When these words were written, it didn't have jack schitt to do with people of the same pigment as me.

F constitution day.
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It may have indeed been an imperfect start, but 350,000+ Union soldiers died to make it have jack schitt to do with your pigment, so you can at least join the 21st century and recognize the power of the American Experiment.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 17, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Best Cardinal,

Terry Metcalf

Posted by: bangkokben | September 17, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Careful who you call losers. Remember what an awful egg you laid in Seattle in your playoff game, when you were actually favored by many folks to go in and win there. I'd rather not make the playoffs then go in and stink it up as bad as the 'Skins did. You really looked like you didn't belong there at all. Especially after Seattle got spanked the next week in Green Bay, a team you ALMOST beat but self-destructed against.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:17 AM

You want to talk about playoffs?!? (ala Jim Mora) the Cards haven't made it in a decade and also the last time they had a winning season (1998). You shouldn't even bring up the playoffs...

Posted by: joeblazin | September 17, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of defense, Laron Landry is now a beautiful highlight film on how to get owned by a back. Brandon Jacobs is his daddy big-time. I'm sure EJ would like a little of that action. Landry's tough reputation took a large step backwards with that hit.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

BK I should have said Pro Bowl and not All-Pro.

Posted by: dawglbs | September 17, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

The Pro Football Talk gang asks whether the Redskins should fine Chris Cooley for revealing a page from the playbook:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/

Posted by: Cindy | September 17, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Careful who you call losers. Remember what an awful egg you laid in Seattle in your playoff game, when you were actually favored by many folks to go in and win there. I'd rather not make the playoffs then go in and stink it up as bad as the 'Skins did. You really looked like you didn't belong there at all. Especially after Seattle got spanked the next week in Green Bay, a team you ALMOST beat but self-destructed against.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:17 AM

Seattle came back to win in the 4th quarter??? How is that an "egg", and who (besides Skins fans) was "favoring" the Skins on the road in that playoff game?!

Posted by: p1funk | September 17, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Careful who you call losers. Remember what an awful egg you laid in Seattle in your playoff game, when you were actually favored by many folks to go in and win there. I'd rather not make the playoffs then go in and stink it up as bad as the 'Skins did. You really looked like you didn't belong there at all. Especially after Seattle got spanked the next week in Green Bay, a team you ALMOST beat but self-destructed against.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:17 AM

King,

The statement alone about rather not get there, then get there and loose, shows a looser mentality. You can not win it all unless you get there which you team has done once.

Posted by: Flounder | September 17, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Lamo King card, you never stop do you. Got to love your passion. Every losing teams needs a fan like you.

Posted by: Ace card | September 17, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

...the American Experiment.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 17, 2008 9:22 AM

All that being said we are in some need of an update to the system. Its like we have a computer running Windows 3.0 and the rest of the world is running XP... some dudes trying to run the Vista government and the kinks aint worked out yet.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

You would rather not make the Playoffs than lose a close game to the Seahawks? Spoken liek a true loser.

Don't tell me it wasn't close until the very end.

Posted by: Pleeps | September 17, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Dallas: Romo, Owens, Barber, and the offensive line.

Philly: McNabb, Westbrook, and their offensive line.

The constant here is their defensive lines. Someone mentioned a few post back that they have all day to throw, well this is why. I think the average weight of both of their offensive lines is probably in the top 5. I know during the broadcast it was mentioned that the Eagles have the heaviest.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 17, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Best Cardinal,

Terry Metcalf

Posted by: bangkokben | September 17, 2008 9:23 AM

Best Cardinal,

Simeon Rice - "This team is the armpit of the league, and I'm the deodorant"!

Posted by: p1funk | September 17, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Love to talk about playoffs. You didn't belong. You proved it beyond all doubt with that pathetic performance. Todd Collins was a deer in the headlights. Your O-line couldn't stop a thing. And when you finally got a lead, you panicked and gave it right back to them. I know my team's weaknesses; trouble is, some folks here still think it's the 1980's and the Hogs are running wild. Time to turn the page man! They have cell phones now and everything!

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The Pro Football Talk gang asks whether the Redskins should fine Chris Cooley for revealing a page from the playbook:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/

Posted by: Cindy | September 17, 2008 9:25 AM

I got a better idea, don't allow him to sleep with his wife for 2-3 weeks.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of defense, Laron Landry is now a beautiful highlight film on how to get owned by a back. Brandon Jacobs is his daddy big-time. I'm sure EJ would like a little of that action. Landry's tough reputation took a large step backwards with that hit.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:24 AM

King,

Again with the looser mentality, atleast he was man enough to try and hit a guy that out wieghs him by 60 pounds, I am sure you safties would have been running in the other direction.

Posted by: Flounder | September 17, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Love to talk about playoffs. You didn't belong. You proved it beyond all doubt with that pathetic performance. Todd Collins was a deer in the headlights. Your O-line couldn't stop a thing. And when you finally got a lead, you panicked and gave it right back to them. I know my team's weaknesses; trouble is, some folks here still think it's the 1980's and the Hogs are running wild. Time to turn the page man! They have cell phones now and everything!

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:29 AM

Gotta love fans of a loser franchise. Their trash talk revolves around how other teams (not their own) fared in the playoffs.

Posted by: p1funk | September 17, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

KING CARD: I say "haha" because I find it hilarious that a person can come on a REDSKINS blog running off at the yap. Especially a person from a city of losers. IT IS FUNNY and so are you. Off to school for you if you actually think the Cards are a good football team. Same story year in and year out for you losers.

Posted by: haha cards suck | September 17, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of defense, Laron Landry is now a beautiful highlight film on how to get owned by a back. Brandon Jacobs is his daddy big-time. I'm sure EJ would like a little of that action. Landry's tough reputation took a large step backwards with that hit.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:24 AM

I view it as a tackle for LL. Did Jacobs score on that play? No.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I know my team's weaknesses; trouble is, some folks here still think it's the 1980's and the Hogs are running wild. Time to turn the page man! They have cell phones now and everything!

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Our apologies. We are all very guilty of flipping through the history book. We forget what it must be like to root for a one page franchise.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 17, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather not make the playoffs then go in and stink it up as bad as the 'Skins did. You really looked like you didn't belong there at all. Especially after Seattle got spanked the next week in Green Bay, a team you ALMOST beat but self-destructed against.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:17 AM

You must be a happy guy. Your Cardinals have fulfilled that wish for about a decade now!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

KING CARD: It must burn to be a fan of a team with no championships?? the Cards are quite possibly the worst franchise in all of pro sports ever. I admire your loyality though.

Posted by: haha cards suck | September 17, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Our apologies. We are all very guilty of flipping through the history book. We forget what it must be like to root for a one page franchise.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 17, 2008 9:34 AM

Lmao very nice, i like that one

Posted by: ACE CARD | September 17, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Cooley does need to be fined, but not a huge sum. I mean, jeez, you photo your pecker next to team preparations? I would have been fired from my organization if I did something like that.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 17, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Which playoff game were you watching? That ending was never in doubt except for one brief minute when they had the lead at 14-13. Then a golden gift was handed them with the ball inside the 'Hawk 20 and they fell apart. Talk about a loser mentality! Your team has been a real dog for the past 16 years. You've prided yourselves on being the Superbowl Champs of the off-season, but when it comes time to lace 'em up and back it up, your free-agents and draft picks end up a bust or injured. Honestly, you've had more raw talent and more opportunity pass through your doors since your last Superbowl win, and you've p*@#$d it away too many times to count. Even you have to admit that.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

B Mitch was on Donnie Simpson this morning talking about the loud disagreement between him and CP. They also replayed most of the interview.

B Mitch was honored yesterday at some banquet along with a few others and they said everyone was tlaking about the interview. Of course B Mitch said the same thing as yesterday and stands by it.

They also played a portion of the interview on CSN SportsRise/SportsDay and interviewed B Mitch at said above banquet.

I hope CP can shake this off for the sake of the season and not let B Mitch get in his head.........

Posted by: 4th | September 17, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

If you're out and about in DC next week and see someone who looks an awful lot like an Arizona Cardinal, chances are it is an Arizona Cardinal. We'd told you a few days ago that they were staying here -- working out at Catholic University since they play the New York Jets the next week.
The Arizona Republic has the story: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2008/09/16/20080916spt-cardsinsider.html

Posted by: Cindy | September 17, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Cornerback Eric Green:

"I'm looking forward to some shopping," Green said. "I probably won't pack much, maybe some boxers and tennis shoes and some socks. That's about it."

Posted by: Cindy | September 17, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I've always thought we had the worst owner in football. But now we're third, with Snyder being #1 and Al Davis being #2.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Love to talk about playoffs. You didn't belong. You proved it beyond all doubt with that pathetic performance. Todd Collins was a deer in the headlights. Your O-line couldn't stop a thing. And when you finally got a lead, you panicked and gave it right back to them. I know my team's weaknesses; trouble is, some folks here still think it's the 1980's and the Hogs are running wild. Time to turn the page man! They have cell phones now and everything!

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:29 AM

Again, no room to talk. Who's bringing up the past & the hogs? The last ten years...

Cardinals Record: 58-102
Redskins Record: 76-86

Posted by: joeblazin | September 17, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

KING CARD: It must burn to be a fan of a team with no championships?? the Cards are quite possibly the worst franchise in all of pro sports ever. I admire your loyality though.

Posted by: haha cards suck | September 17, 2008 9:35 AM
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I think you gotta give the Worst All Time Award to Detroit. The Cards have consistently fallen short, whereas the Lions have declared war on their own feet.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 17, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

It may have indeed been an imperfect start, but 350,000+ Union soldiers died to make it have jack schitt to do with your pigment, so you can at least join the 21st century and recognize the power of the American Experiment.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 17, 2008 9:22 AM

While they were some who were fighting against slavery, I wouldn't go so far to call these guys abolitionist. In those days people were loyal to their state. So those 350,000+ union soldiers you mentioned were more than likely devoted to their states rather than the idea of abolishing slavery. If they weren't they either moved to a state that supported their beliefs, or in one case left altogether. West Virginia?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

My apologies go out to you King Card. I was humbled when I read more into the rich tradition of your team. I was floored to find out you have a playoff win! It was becoming really hard for me to breathe so I went to the Cards front office to get some adivce. They told me it became much easier for them to breathe after Joe Gibbs retired and took his wang out of their mouths.

Posted by: Pleeps | September 17, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Hey King,how many trips would you have to make to Home Depot to get enough lumber to build a trophy case to hold all the Cardinals Super Bowl trophies?How about conference or division trophies?Oh I see,well you can always pick up some Christmas lights while you're there,can never start to soon buddy.

Posted by: dawglbs | September 17, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

This has been a hoot! Gotta run for now, but will be back this evening for some more fun!!

Take care and as always, all in good fun. No burn was meant to hurt to take offense at. Just good-natured rib-poking between two less-than-stellar franchises of late :0)

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Flounder obviously failed spelling. King Card is a Loser not a LOOSER! The cardinals do not loose every year, they LOSE!!!

Posted by: SHEESH | September 17, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

While they were some who were fighting against slavery, I wouldn't go so far to call these guys abolitionist.
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They were still fighting for "a more perfect union". And you are living in that more perfect union.

Whether you like it or not, the power of that original vision has given you more freedom than any other country in the world.

You are even free to choose to wear the chains of the past if you feel like playing the victim card the rest of your life.

Posted by: Mattsoundworld | September 17, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Cindy | September 17, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Sheesh,

Do you really think I give a Sh!t about my spelling on here, trying to get in as many post as possible without getting fired got no time to check spelling.

Who are you my English teacher, I already graduated go grade you kids homework or something.

Posted by: Flounder | September 17, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather not make the playoffs then go in and stink it up as bad as the 'Skins did.

Posted by: King Card | September 17, 2008 9:17 AM

Ahh yes, the hallmark of a fan beaten down into true despair and hopelessness. Just convince yourself that it is actually better to "not make the playoffs".

Posted by: p1funk | September 17, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union…"

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 17, 2008 8:38 AM

When these words were written, it didn't have jack schitt to do with people of the same pigment as me.

F constitution day.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 17, 2008 8:53 AM

I beg to differ. Those words had much to do with folks of the same pigment as you, just not in a very good way. The 3/5ths compromise (where the drafters agreed to count slaves as 3/5ths of a person for purposes of voting and taxation) was one of the most contentious and controversial elements of the Constitution. That tension lingered all the way to the 1860's and became the flash point for the Civil War, which some called the "last battle of the Revolution" because of the implications that it had for the freedom of blacks.

Posted by: p1funk | September 17, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

The greatest Card of all time...

Ken Harvey!!

Posted by: the truth | September 17, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Cards fan here. I normally write on the Cards section on azcentral.com...

I must apologize for King Tard. I don't like when fans of other teams try to run ignorant smack on our site, and I think it's bad Karma to see it happen on this site.

This is a pretty even matchup all around so predicting a win for either side is iffy. But don't forget, an injured warner almost beat the Skins on the road last year. The running game for the Cards is better than advertised. Many running plays were counted that were 1. Kneel downs and 2. Goal line

Also, the D'OHfins decided to gang up on the run last week, so that's why we had so much success passing. Lots of man coverage. So the rushing stats are deceiving. What's more important is the play calling is balanced. About 50/50. And they break off enough good runs to keep a defense honest.

The keys to the game are two fold. 1. Protection of the QB's, and 2. The play of the secondary's. Cards haven't been challenged deep yet this year, and that will happen. Keep in mind though, the Cards secondary returned 4 picks for TD's last year so they have play makers back there. The skins have to find a way to contain Fitz and Q without sacrificing their running defense. If they can do that and harass Warner (Levi Brown has struggled a few times), then the Skins will win. If edge gets over 100 and Warner is reletively unscathed, the Skins are going to have a long day.

Things to take not about the card's 2-0 start. Sure they were against bad teams (SF isn't that bad, they just won on the road at Seattle). Cards are 4-0 in their last 4 regular season games, and have won 7 of their last 10 regular season games. The losing culture of the Cards is turning around, and there's a hungry, talented team coming to town.

Posted by: RedBirdRising | September 20, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Correction, the Cards secondary returned 5 picks for TD's. Three by Rolle, and two by Hood.

Posted by: RedBirdRising | September 20, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

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