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D-Line Update

Alright, I'm just going to start throwing stuff up here today and for the foreseeable future, trying to empty out the 'ol notebook of stuff I gathered while away from the blog.

Let's start with the DE situation. There is still a desire among many at The Park to address this position if possible. Problem is, there ain't much out there. Aaron Schobel remains the one quality end who could end up getting traded. Spoke to a bunch of execs and sources around the league the last few weeks and they all had the same feeling - he could end up getting moved.

Most personnel guys don't think Oakland will do anything with Derrick Burgess, and the market for ends is small, they say. The Bears, originally asking for the second round pick for DE Alex Brown, have come off that demand, I heard, and still want to move him. The Redskins have not been in the mix for Brown and overall, the interest league-wide has been tepid. However, interestingly enough, my football people tell me Buffalo is one team to consider Brown, particularly as a legit option should they end up dealing Schobel.

In fact, I hear the Bears and Bills think there is potential for a trade of Brown to Buffalo should it ever get to that stage ... but that's still a longshot. Schobel has been a beast and offers a rare commodity with his proven pass-rush ability. He's signed for two more years and the Bills don't have to do a thing with him. After sitting out a week or so of OTAs in Buffalo, Schobel reported last week, but from what I heard he isn't happy. Far from it He wants a new deal (get in line, 'cause that's an epidemic these days), particularly after seeing all the crazy money the usually tight-wadded franchise threw around on outsiders in free agency this year (sounds like what happened in these parts a year ago, eh?).

I have heard that Schobel has a tremendous relationship with Gregg Williams, and I know that these coaches think highly of Aaron from what he did in Buffalo (many on this staff have coached him before). But I also know there has been no contact between the Redskins and Bills. If the Bills do decide to trade him to alleviate a potentially nasty situation - and, again, there is no reason they HAVE to do this in any way - then I would imagine the Redskins to be a player for him. However, if Buffalo did trade him they would want a high draft pick for him, and that would not be a slam dunk.

So I guess what I am saying is, it's still worth keeping an eye on.

Otherwise, I hear that the Giants have not made any attempt to deal or cut Mr. Gap Tooth himself (Mike Strahan), although like I've blogged about before, Dan Snyder loves him and would love to have him here. But I can't see it happening. Some have speculated about Simeon Rice getting cut, but the NFL people I spoke to don't think it's anything that would have to happen until training camp if at all (he has no quirky workout or roster bonuses in his contract, just a massive base salary - $7.2 million). He's strictly a third-down guy at this point and would probably want a load of cash as well. Also, despite rumors that Green Bay might dump Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, the NFL people I talk to say don't count on it and the Pack hasn't floated his name in trade talks.

As for other linemen, got a lot of emails last month about DT Sam Adams, another one of Gregg's former players. The Skins discussed Adams briefly after the Bengals cut him, but believe they are in pretty good shape at tackle overall. Now, if Adams was a DE, they'd have probably taken a shot on him from what I gather. There are serious concerns about his weight, age and knees - specifically now, during the offseason, when guys like him often balloon up to Baby Rocco-like proportions. Now, if he's in half decent shape and still on the street come September, and the Skins need a body, I would not be surprised at all if he was at the top of their call list.

A lot of you guys have also asked me about former Maryland DT Kris Jenkins. Even if Carolina cuts him - he's skipping OTAs and from what I hear perhaps on his way to eating himself out of the league - his attitude and gut would be major worries for any team. His play has slipped in recent years as well and he's looking for a payday. Not a great combination. Furthermore, the players right here at The Park think the duo of Golston/Montgomery might be ready to step up. Montgomery is the best athlete and has the most natural talent of any lineman here, I have heard from many in these parts, but he needs to dedicate himself 100 percent to his craft and give an honest effort on every snap of every practice.

He's been making good strides to that end this offseason, Montgomery's teammates say, and should he ever put the mental side of this game with his physical gifts, he could be a quality player in this league for a long time. Cornelius Griffin is looking like his old self, too, they say. A year ago shoulder problems kept him from tearing up the weight room, but he's been a workout warrior they say and is deadest on proving that his poor form in 2006 was a blip due to a health problems, and not an indication that his best years are behind him.

For my money Griff remains the key person on that entire defense. As he goes, so goes the D.

The Redskins have also been playing Phillip Daniels more on the inside and have Renaldo Wynn able to play a dual role as well and Demetric Evans has played tackle as well. However, the continuing injuries to Big Joe Salave'a have taken a toll (he even seemed to be limping a little bit when I saw him walking into the building today). Jim himself wondered last year what the future would hold, and he may face a fight to make the final roster. He's about as nice a guy as you will ever meet in this business, so I'm hoping for the best for him regardless.

Hmm. Got a ton of other stuff I want to get to, but maybe I'll leave it with this for now. I'll post again later trying to get the rest of the stuff on the web.

By Jason La Canfora  |  June 4, 2007; 1:50 PM ET
 
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Jim?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | June 4, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

2nd?

Posted by: Go Skins Go | June 4, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

captain kirk! duh!

Posted by: dealer | June 4, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Jasno,

This "lots of news/no news" cycle is a bad idea. One new blog entry each day with real info (like this one) is easier to follow and maximizes the number of posts.

If you post all the "new" news today, there are still six more days left in the week.

Posted by: Mr. Pink | June 4, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Sam Adams signed in Denver today, no?

Posted by: duck | June 4, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I tend to disagree with that last comment as well.

Posted by: Skid Marx | June 4, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jm220 | June 4, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

THIS hamster, for one, wants the doses rationed. Given the recent inside dope drought, combined with the upcoming famine, I prefer to have the news bits sprinkled over time. THANKS FOR THE INFO, Jasno! [Note to JLaC: "Jasno" was a typo by Nate, for which he received a fair bit of ridicule, so its a gift that keeps on giving.]

If Schobel OR Brown are ready to travel, I would like to see one of them here (rather than just trading spaces). What's the deal with ends swapping down to tackles? Can we be that close to becoming a 3-4 D? Was this Briggs' thing a sign of things to come?

Posted by: dcsween | June 4, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I would vote for one big post a day, first thing in the morning Eastern time. That would help re-establish the rhythm we've been lacking of late.

Love the inside news, as always, Jasno. Glad you're back and the family is well.

Any plans for the one-year anniversary of the blog?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | June 4, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Little bits. They should be spaced out at whatever intervals gives til the end of the week, a new post every so, blank hours/minutes.

That way if Jasno tells us the times, we know we have a finite time on each topic. So we will BOGO. (Blog Our Guts Out, Not BUY ONE GET ONE). That will make the pursuit of 100k better.

You saw how stale a 700 comment post can be, people use up what they have to say on any particular subject until they get bored.

Posted by: Zebra | June 4, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Jason, great to have you back, and great to hear the fam is doing well. You've been missed.

Reading that about Montgomery, that there is a mass of potential to be good, gives me hope.

Thanks for the updates

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | June 4, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

If I won a lifetime supply of Redskins Insider, I would request emotionally that it be plugged directly to my blood stream through a vein.

Whether it is daily posts or one big entry, just feed us the good stuff, Jason.

Great to have you back.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | June 4, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

AHHHHH, (that was a sigh of relief, just to clarify). Kinda feels like normal again when you are posting JLC!!!!

68 more days until preseason play starts... I'm axiously awaiting the new season.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | June 4, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Roses are red,
violets are blue,
I have never seen a bigger bunch of geeks, how about you?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Flag on the Play;

15 yard penalty for incompetence on the troll who has never SEEN a bigger bunch of geeks. Sorry buddy, you haven't SEEN any of us.

Better luck next time.

Posted by: Zebra | June 4, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

No, the biggest geek would be the one who hangs around solely to comment on everyone else, and then does so without a name. (That probably qualifies as a geeky gutless wonder, but we'll leave such designations to Zebra.)

So here is your prize, pal - I'm sure it will be a perfect fit.

http://www.nflshop.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2250855&cp=716689.2237521&page=4&doVSearch=no&doVSearch=no&pageBucket=0&parentPage=family

Posted by: Mr. Pink | June 4, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"Furthermore, the players right here at The Park think the duo of Golston/Montgomery might be ready to step up."

Umm, no.

Welcome back Jason and thanks for the note on the ecard. It was well appreciated. :)

To continue my post-draft bashing of the
Skins, LSU has THE best defensive line in the NCAA's so it's no wonder why Landry looked so good on film. Like I said I hope Landry can play d-line or it don't matter who they put back there. He *might* be a good player but they should have drafted one of those young defensive linemen. Management is so horrible here. :(

The Skins defense is made "a$$-backwards."

I'll be optimistic and say they go 7-9 and everyone will run right up the gut on them. Unless they trade for someone the defense will be really bad.....again.

I don't expect much, they have done nothing to improve themselves. Griffin is solid, but if he's double teamed all of the time it doesn't matter much now does it?

Sorry but the Skins will lose again and Grilliams will be fired, Portis will want traded, and Gibbs will step aside. I'm not looking foward to the Skins this year. :(

If they make the playoffs I will apologize to everyone on here, but I don't think I will be. Not until Snyder sells the team or hires a REAL GM anyway.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 4, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Two posts in one day...now I need a day off!

Im feeling good about the upcoming season-and I hate myself for it.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 4, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Jasno is feeding the beast, but I'll slip this one in before it is OBE.

Notes on the ODA in PDX.
Location: Amnesia Brewing Co. 8PM
Attendance: Nate in the PDX, Flipthatswitch, Stumped

Findings: Amnesia was crowded. We stuck to the IPAs (Desolation or Copacetic); they were both tasty, but not remarkably different. It was really, really great getting to talk about Redskins football again (we are geographically challenged out here) and it was a blast to get to know your fellow bloggers!

Quiz questions:
Who is your favorite Redskin of all time?
What was the defining moment in Redskins history?

The service at Amnesia sucks. Their peeps make the snobbiest barristas seem warm an fuzzy.
The music they played sounded like Sammy Barber's Addigo for strings by a bunch of crack heads.
That's all I can remember...

Contusions: We need to do more research to find a place to park the Bandwagon in the PDX (hmmmm). Yes, the one we have out here needs to be dusted off, but should be ready to go for 07-08.

Posted by: Stumped | June 4, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

My girlfriend bought me the Redkins edition of Monopoly. It's pretty good except they have Jack Kent Cooke and George Allen as Balctic and Mediterranean (The two purples right at the start of the game that no one cares about).

Surely there are more fitting people to put in there??? (and no I did not call you Shirley)

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 4, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

It's a good thing we have Ray around to tell us that the players and coaches don't know what they are talking about.

Posted by: Mr. Pink | June 4, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

wow, the donkeys are in a similar predicament to the skins when it comes to d-line. . .seems like they are pretty thin at tackle and have some odds and ends they think might work at end. . .

curious to see how much the genious paid SA for a one-year try out . . .

Hail!

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | June 4, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I too look forward to this season, please no more negative draft talk... isnt it out of your system yet???

A great person once told me... "it is what it is", in this case that would mean, why the hell get depressed about a season that hasnt even started? I personally, cant go into a new season thinking anything but optimistic.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | June 4, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Ray, how can you refute what people think? Does that make any sense, or have any logic to it?

Jason was reporting what players have TOLD him they think about Kedric, and Anthony.

This is not up for dispute.

Posted by: Greg (Boston) | June 4, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Griffin being double teamed is a good thing

Posted by: Anonymous | June 4, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Jasno Al Fancora! Welcome back!

I've been singing "Can't live without you." in my head for a while as I've been trying to catch up.

I vote for news a la Brunell - dink and dunk us so we don't end up with too many 700 posters.

Please please oh please Skins DO NOT give up draft picks for a DE. Doesn't sound like anyone with a longterm future is going to be easily available.

Finally - what drugs does the NFL actually test for? I find it hard to believe these guys are all 100% clean. Seems biologically impossible. . . remember I live in the land of Bonds.

Posted by: sfskin | June 4, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

1. Antonio Gates, San Diego Chargers
Norv Turner has the imposing 6-foot-4 tight end working with the wide receivers in mini-camps. He's had Gates line up all over the field and run every route. That can be quite interesting when deployed on Sundays. Gates averaged 4.4 receptions and 57.8 yards per game under Marty Schottenheimer with LaDainian Tomlinson running wild in 2006. I expect the team to utilize him even more this season and create matchup issues in Philip Rivers' second year as the starter. Whatever his role becomes on a game-by-game basis, Gates will remain a red zone monster (nine touchdowns last year).

2. Tony Gonzalez, Kansas City Chiefs
His five touchdowns came in three games during the 2006 season, but the fact that Gonzalez remains the primary receiving target in Kansas City keeps him in the No. 2 spot here. Larry Johnson will certainly continue to pile up a truckload of carries and the addition of Dwayne Bowe should help. However, Damon Huard or Brodie Croyle will continue to find Gonzalez with great regularity. Gonzalez has averaged 78.6 receiving yards and 7.1 touchdowns in his last eight seasons.

3. Todd Heap, Baltimore Ravens
He may show up on the injury report with some regularity, but pain doesn't phase Todd Heap. He battles through injuries and remains a tremendous option for Steve McNair. The addition of Willis McGahee in tandem with the brilliance of the defense should set Heap up with an inordinate number of red zone opportunities. Heap caught four or more passes in 14 games in 2006, and has hauled in 13 touchdowns in the past two seasons. I'm expecting more of the same this year in Brian Billick's offense.

4. Jeremy Shockey, New York Giants
In spite of the fact that he's seemingly always on the injury report, Shockey plays through the pain. He's appeared in 15 games in three consecutive seasons, averaging 63.7 receptions, 726.7 receiving yards and 6.7 touchdowns during this stretch. I expect Shockey's role to grow this year as the Giants begin life without Tiki Barber. Brandon Jacobs will continue to bulldoze his way toward the end zone, but I expect Tom Coughlin to put the ball in Eli Manning's hand with more regularity down low. And that means more opportunity for Shockey.

5. Vernon Davis, San Francisco 49ers
Last season's sixth overall pick started the season with a bang, catching five balls for 37 yards and a touchdown. A freak injury while blocking then took him out of the box score until Week 12. Davis demonstrated that he could be a force in the final four games of the season (13 catches, 196 yards and two scores). He'll undoubtedly cause matchup problems and serve as a safety valve for Alex Smith. The off-season acquisition of Darrell Jackson in the receiving corps will help create mismatches, and there's no question that he'll be a stud in the red zone. Eric Johnson left for the Saints this off-season, leaving no doubt that Davis will be featured.

6. Kellen Winslow, Jr., Cleveland Browns
There's undoubtedly some concern about Winslow's health coming into 2007 after having missed two of the last three seasons and coming back from off-season surgery. However, there's no question that Winslow is a force on the field when available. He recorded 89 receptions in his first full NFL season and will only get better with more reps. Of course, the fact that the Browns bolstered the offensive line with Joe Thomas and added Jamal Lewis to shoulder the load out of the backfield should open things up downfield. All that remains to be seen is whether Charlie Frye or Brady Quinn lines up under center and how they respond to the role. I expect similar numbers from Winslow if his health holds up with double the touchdown total (from three to six or seven).

7. Chris Cooley, Washington Redskins
His reception total was down last year as the team transitioned from Mark Brunell to Jason Campbell, but Cooley remained a force in the red zone. He improved his yards-per-reception average by two yards over his 2005 totals. It was an impressive feat to reach those totals (734 receiving yards and six touchdowns) given that he'd caught seven passes for 38 yards during the first three weeks of the season. Cooley has scored 20 touchdowns in his three NFL seasons, and he will no doubt be a large factor in Joe Gibbs' scheme once again.

Posted by: 4th | June 4, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

As dcsween mentioned about Briggs maybe being a sign of things to come, I have to wonder. For one thing, does anyone know if Montgomery or Golston has any background playing the nose in the 3-4? I think Big Joe does, but you gotta wonder about his health and durability at this point.

On the flip side, if our skill position players stay healthy, we might become a version the 1981 San Diego Chargers Lite. A lot of high scoring games, with the O trying keep up with what the D gives up. Or a lot like the Skins in the mid 60's. Exciting if nothing else.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | June 4, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

What do you mean by Daniels is playing more on the inside??? You mean in pass-rush situations?? I assume he is still starting opposite Carter, with Wynn rotating in at both DE and DT.

If Salave'a is falling off, that's really bad news, puts a lot of pressure on Griffin and Golston. You need 3-4 DT's, so Montgomery has to step up....

Sam Adams got signed by the Broncos today.....they really go for DL scrap heaps

Posted by: Jon | June 4, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Who would you offer for Schobel, if you don't want to give draft choices? Lemar? The Bills are short at middle linebacker...

Posted by: sieskani | June 4, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back JLaC. Real Madrid and FC Barca are dead even with two matches to play.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | June 4, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"Who would you offer for Schobel, if you don't want to give draft choices? Lemar? The Bills are short at middle linebacker..."

London Fletcher-Baker, of course. FA noted significant drop in skills as soon as he wasn't on someone else's roster.

Sorry guys, couldn't resist.

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | June 4, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Salave'a is a key contributor. What is ailing him? Isn't his plantar fascia cured? Does he have other leg/foot problems? What are they? What's the prognosis from Bubba Tyer?

Without Salave'a, they definitely need to sign another DT.

Evans, Wynn, and Daniels are ends. They can play DT in pass rushing situations, but they will not last at DT trying to stop the run. Which leaves us with Boschetti as the 4th DT if Salave'a can't go ....

Do any of the undrafted free agent DTs look any good?

Posted by: rb | June 4, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

LaVar - great race but Real has them pretty good on goal differencial. If they win it's theirs.

rb - I expect to see more 3 down linemen this season. one of the young kids could come along. they have enough rotation guys if people like Daniels and Wynn stay healthy.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | June 4, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

The Bills are short at middle linebacker...

Posted by: sieskani | June 4, 2007 04:00 PM

So are the Skins, but the holes are wide, not tall.

Posted by: SMACK | June 4, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Yeah...the Bills are going to trade a pro-bowl DE for a mediocre, 2nd string LB. Try again.

Posted by: BillsFan | June 4, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Schoebel for Briggs would be fine up here in the B-lo.

Posted by: Nica De Koenigswarter | June 4, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Do you really thing the 3-4 is the future of the skins? your LBers arent big enough to handle it.

Posted by: eric smith | June 4, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah...the Bills are going to trade a pro-bowl DE for a mediocre, 2nd string LB. Try again."

The Bills FO paid $49 million for Dockery? Yeah, they are stupid enough to give away Schobel, also.

Posted by: Mr. Pink | June 4, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"Ray, how can you refute what people think? Does that make any sense, or have any logic to it?"

Doesn't matter what people think, until the Skins change management they will stink.

Again, if they make the playoffs I will apologize to everyone on here.

Jason and his blog is the best thing going for the Skins right now, everytime he writes something of a little controversy they actually pay attention to what we think.

They still haven't figured out what they are doing is wrong, nor will admit to it.

Welcome back Jason. :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | June 4, 2007 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the detailed update on the D-line.

When the team gets back practicing, it would be nice to know how the tackles after Salaveia-Griff-Golston-Montgomery look also.

Glad to hear about the idea of moving Daniels inside. I always thought that would be a good idea.

Posted by: R | June 4, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the response Ray, but you're wrong, and you avoided my question. You cannot refute what someone say's, thats just not happening.

Did you have the same feeling in 2005 when they went to the playoffs under this same management?

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | June 5, 2007 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Ray, I think you need to go play with some Play-doh or something. Way too early to predict another season of demise. Players aren't even hurt yet, and you're already saying other teams will be running up the gut on the 'Skins. Now I do believe they need another good DE, but if the players are healthy again, no way will other teams run up the gut. One factor for that optimism: Warrick Holdman is GONE! And Rocky will roam the line. As will London Fletcher. Run defense up the middle will be stought, unless injuries take a toll. I'm already planning on receiving your APOLOGY.

Posted by: Fred | June 5, 2007 8:39 AM | Report abuse

From what you say it sounds an awful lot like the Skins might be considering a 3-4-4 this year? Asking their ends to learn to play tackle? In 3-4-4 you have 3 lineman who are basically tackles with the nose guard a little different. I wonder if you heard any rumors regarding that?

Posted by: periculum | June 5, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Montgomery and Griffin playing at their optimum makes a huge impact on the linebackers.

The Corners need to regain the confidence they lacked last season.

Safety improves with ST and Landry roaming.

That's why I like your take on the possible Def Ends instead of the focus on Briggs. Just one stud and everything tightens up back to the way the defense closed out the '05 season.

Posted by: vicsdog | June 6, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Montgomery and Griffin playing at their optimum makes a huge impact on the linebackers.

The Corners need to regain the confidence they lacked last season.

Safety improves with ST and Landry roaming.

That's why I like your take on the possible Def Ends instead of the focus on Briggs. Just one stud and everything tightens up back to the way the defense closed out the '05 season.

Posted by: vicsdog | June 6, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

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