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Dockery Agrees to Deal with Skins

Jason La Canfora reports:

The Redskins have agreed to terms with free-agent guard Derrick Dockery. The agreement is for five years and is worth slightly less than $27 million with $8.5 million guaranteed and $11.5 million paid over the first two years, according to a league source.

How Dockery came to it the free-agent market is a bit odd.

Buffalo and Detroit had agreed to a trade Thursday with Detroit willing to pick up the rest of Dockery's 7-year, $49 million contract and to guarantee the 2009 and 2010 portions of that deal. However, the Bills failed to file the necessary paperwork with the NFL Management Council by the 4 p.m. dealine, according to a league source, and, rather than pay Dockery $4.5 million for this year, the Bills allowed him to become a free agent.

The Lions were still willing to pick up the remainder of the deal with the two guaranteed years and Dockery, who spent today in Detroit, was close to accepting their deal. However, tonight he decided to take the Skins' deal, which will pay im $3.5 million less over the duraton of the deal.

Oddly, because of the way the Skins deal is structured, he'll make more in '09 and '10 than he would have in Detroit. With this new deal, Dockery will have pocketed $27 million in guaranteed money over three years, making him among the highest-paid linemen in the league over that span.
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Demetric Evans is expected to visit the San Francisco 49ers on Monday, according to a league source.

By Cindy Boren  |  February 27, 2009; 9:56 PM ET
 
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Comments

Sweet! Saw before but still awesome

Posted by: kreitmaster | February 27, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Trade our 3rd, 5th, and 6th for a high 2nd.

Take Orakpo at #13 and then Loadholt/Britton/Mack in the 2nd.

Or some combination of OL/LB.

Case closed.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 27, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I like this move better than the Haynesworth move, now this makes sense.

Posted by: joeboggs | February 27, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

(Cindy, no offense intended to you, you are great)

I have a tagline suggestion:

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Feel free to use it, royalty free.

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Hip Hip Hooray !!! Go Skins !!!!!!

Posted by: cherrywatts42 | February 27, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Talk about old news!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 27, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

See! Adam Schefter had it long before!

Posted by: rachel216 | February 27, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmm Lions or Redskins????? Must have been a tough choice, after he already found out what more money and a crappy team feels like.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 27, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Nice move. I think this makes alot of sense. Now we need for last year's rookie WRs to step up and we have a serious shot at deep post season play.

Posted by: Monk81_Green28 | February 27, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

For everyone putting down the front office, now they should be kissing their tale. For the first time in years. I can truly say and feel. THE REDSKINS ARE GOING TO BE THE SH#T

Posted by: fbailey | February 27, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

The story of how this came to be is a bit wild.

By Cindy Boren | February 27, 2009; 9:56 PM ET

I think that story has already been told by HOFer John Clayton..

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 27, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

We'll have more details shortly. The story of how this came to be is a bit wild.


Yeah, we know, Clayton told us all about it.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 27, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Trade our 3rd, 5th, and 6th for a high 2nd.

Take Orakpo at #13 and then Loadholt/Britton/Mack in the 2nd.

Or some combination of OL/LB.

Case closed.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 27, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse
Umm..Who in their right mind would trade a high 2nd for a 3rd, 5th, and 6th? I don't even think Madden 2006 would let that fly. LOL

I like the way things are shaping up by draft time

Posted by: ga8085 | February 27, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Here's the deal people. JLaC sucks at his job, but thanks to his blog and all of you, I get the breaking news as quick as anyone and for that I'm thankful. Thanks to all of you for your diligence.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 10:10 PM

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

DONT TRADE THE 13th PICK!!!!! If we use it we could have a MONSTER TEAM!.. Hope they have enough money left to sign there picks!

Picks - T & OLB / G / SS / RB(small or big)

Posted by: cocodc1 | February 27, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow. We're on a shopping spree.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 27, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Getting younger every minute...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I dont know where we r getting the cap space but im getting pretty excited

Posted by: SAK2 | February 27, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back Dock.

It's no wonder Jasno stopped reading the posts. If he sat at home and just kept refreshing ESPN and NFL.com he could do his job better.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 27, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I dont know where we r getting the cap space but im getting pretty excited

Posted by: SAK2 | February 27, 2009 10:16 PM

Next year is an uncapped year and AH is getting most of his gaureented money in that year because there won't be ANY CAP.

Snyder has smart people on the payroll. Look for Eric Shafer to be a GM one day.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 27, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

now cut janson and start heyer on the right. He can't play on the left but he does well on the right. And every year Janson just slips a little more. Great moves!!!!! HAIL!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | February 27, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Can't cut Jansen. It would burn us money wise. Next year though...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Ryp, I disagree. I'd be more willing to trade a 2010 1st rounder for a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounder this year.

We've proven that our first round picks suck, right? If so, that would give us:

1st rounder: Stud Left Tackle
2nd Rounder: Best available DE
3rd Rounder: 300 pound Center / Guard
3rd Rounder: Fast / Strong Linebacker
4th Rounder: Another linebacker
5th Rounder: Secondary
6th Rounder: Kicker

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Eagles traded Lito Sheppard to the Jets for 2 picks. Doesn't really matter since he was benched but that is some lost depth along with Dawkins for a division rival.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 27, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Actually we do pretty good with our first picks.. cant count last year cause that wasnt a first rounder...

Posted by: cocodc1 | February 27, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't want to trade away a 2010 1st rounder - you know were going to need it for a C, DT, DE, whoever.

And I would think a team like the Lions might consider trading their #33 for a 3rd, 5th, and 6th... they need LOTS of depth, and they already have pick #1 and #20.....

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 27, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Dumb, dumber, and just plain stupid. He will lead the league in holdng penalties. The Bills need O linemen and they cut him. He's an overpriced average player and Snyder and his Toady treat him like an All Pro, which he isn't and will never be.

Posted by: pjente | February 27, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

And I would think a team like the Lions might consider trading their #33 for a 3rd, 5th, and 6th... they need LOTS of depth, and they already have pick #1 and #20.....

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 27, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet my imaginary Rolls Royce that no team in the league would trade a high 2nd for a 3rd, 5th, and 6th. Maybe two 3rd rounders, even maybe a 3rd and 4th (highly unlikely), but to only get a 3rd, 5th, and 6th? No way, no how.

Posted by: ga8085 | February 27, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

O.K. SHAWN who? Like SPRINGS with his 6 million for one season, there is now a lot of this franchise's salary-cap tied up in three players. Hope NONE of them are hurt this upcoming season. Lets ask JT and Phillip Daniels how thats going.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

You're wrong pjente. He was a cap casualty. He was a very good player for them.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Tanner Cooley has more stuff up about AH than RI.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 27, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

if they decide to go that route what they, need to is they need to trade with a team that has a high pick, in the round that way you can't trade up to get the player you want if the skins, want to do this then it has to be with someone, like either the chiefs, the lions or any one of the top five teams, that are picking early but i don't see that trade go through simply because you have to give up more than 1st round pick to get high 2nd 3rd and 4th round picks in return.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | February 27, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

The other side of the FA philosophy of DAN SNYDER's is to sign youngsters who are hungry and coach 'um up before they're hurt. Once they reach NFL middle-age and go looking for that "set for life" contract you trade for more picks or cut them loose to FA and let some other team take on the $$$$ and risk of injury. See how it works sports fans?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cocodc1:
"Actually we do pretty good with our first picks.. cant count last year cause that wasnt a first rounder..."

Oh my god. You know how when you laugh really hard while you fart some poop almost comes out? That just happened to me!

Let me remind you:

1991 Bobby Wilson (DT) Grade: D
1992 Desmond Howard (WR) Grade: F
1993 Tom Carter (WR) Grade: C
1994 Heath Shuler (QB) Grade: F - held back
1995: Michael Westbrook (WR) Grade: C-
1996: Andre Johnson (T) Grade: F-
1997: Kenard Lang (DE) Grade: B
1998: No pick
1999: Champ Bailey (CB) Grade: A
2000: LaVar Arrington (LB) Grade: C
2000: Chris Samuels (OT) Grade: B+
2001: Rod Gardner (WR) Grade: C
2002: Patrick Ramsey (QB) Grade D
2003: No pick
2003: Sean Tayler (S) Grade B+
2005: Carlos Rogers (CB) Grade B-
2005: Jason Campbell (QB) Grade C
2006: No pick
2007: LaRon Landry (S) Grade A-
2008: No pick Grade D: (for our the two second rounders that our 1st pick created)

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

NFL. com has Dockery listed as the third best free agent guard.

1 Chris Kemoeatu (35) Pittsburgh Steelers
2 Mike Goff (39) San Diego Chargers
3 Derrick Dockery (50) Buffalo Bills
4 Kendall Simmons (NR) Pittsburgh Steelers
5 Cooper Carlisle (NR) Oakland Raiders
3 Brandon Moore (NR) New York Jets

I doubt the Redskins will try for more draft picks this year unless they are low rounds. They probably won't have the cap money to sign many picks (but then again who thought they would have the money to sign these three FAs)

Posted by: lifelongfan | February 27, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Now if we could somehow land Pete Kendall and pry Tony Mandarich up, we'll have a presentable O line!!! Go Skins!!!

Posted by: tdpillo123 | February 27, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

can someone please show me we have starting at each o-line position

LT -
LG -
C -
RG -
RT -

Posted by: wiz-skins07 | February 27, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I would never want to be in your class ISNADD.

LaVar is an A+. ST21 is an A+. And Smeuls is an A+.

You can't use the 90s picks as theose were Gibs or Casserly's. Not Dan's....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 27, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

2003: Sean Tayler (S) Grade B+
2005: Carlos Rogers (CB) Grade B-
2005: Jason Campbell (QB) Grade C
2006: No pick
2007: LaRon Landry (S) Grade A-
2008: No pick Grade D: (for our the two second rounders that our 1st pick created)


Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 10:34 PM

Dude, you have lost all cred. You called Sean "Tayler" a b+.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

can someone please show me we have starting at each o-line position

LT -Samuels
LG -Dockery
C -Rabach
RG -Thomas
RT -Jansen/Heyer

Posted by: wiz-skins07 | February 27, 2009 10:38 PM

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

OK, so we throw in a 4th in a 2010, or whatever.

My point is, Id like to have 2 picks in the top 40.... we don't need scrubs to build depth at this point.. we need quality starters... and we can find two of them, one at #13 and one early 2nd.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 27, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

how in the world can you give Sean Taylor a B+ and Landry an A-

Are you serious

Just Sean Taylor's presence alone caused more dropped passes from receivers looking for him instead of the ball

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 27, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

All this salary cap hating...pay close attention to all these big signings, restructures, and the fact that next year is uncapped...

Now then, it's still going to cost Snyder money to do it, but he can cut a ton of dead cap space next year in the uncapped year and get back under the cap for future years. These contracts being signed now are heavy loaded in 2010 to eat up as much base salary as possible in the uncapped year to make the hits lower in other years. When all the dust settles next year, we will be in great salary cap shape, younger, and hopefully ready to lock up some young talent long term.

Posted by: dodo1939 | February 27, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Not sure how good Dock is these days, as the Bills seemed to give up on him. But if he's developed since he left, this is a reasonable deal.

Exactly how do the Skins stay under the cap with AH, Hall and Dock?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975,

thanks...

anyways..i think OT is the way to go..

BUT it depends who's there...

IF DE/LB Brian Orakpo is still available..i think its REALLY hard to pass him up..if he's not there then take the best TACKLE available..and if there's no one there..either trade down or draft Rey Mauluga

Posted by: wiz-skins07 | February 27, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Would have responded sooner but I had to change my pants when I saw B+ for Sean Taylor.

I have to concur somewhat with the original concept. While the current FO has been bad in many trades, FA pickups, and even later draft picks, their number one picks have not been terrible. Tayler, Rogers, Campbell, and Landry is not to shabby.

Posted by: lifelongfan | February 27, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

If only we can trade the 13th pick and get a late 1st round and a second round and fill up some needed holes in defense and offense. If it happens, nothing can stop us from being NFC East champions.

Posted by: thewayitis | February 27, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

oh and...about Heyer..he'd be a good BACK-UP..but i cant see him starting at RT...

Posted by: wiz-skins07 | February 27, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Lost all cred? I never had any. It was just a quick grading exercise.....

Sean Taylor was a 1st round picked that played less than 4 seasons with the Skins. Unfortunatley due to his demise he will not give the Skins 10+ years of Pro-Bowl caliber play.

Sean Taylor was an A+ for the 4 years he played, unfortunately he is a B+ as a "draft pick" not a "player" based on the short tenure of his career.

As for LaVar... NO Way. Often injured and also only played here for 5 - 6 seasons. Derrick Brooks is an A+. I'd rate Antonio Pearce higher than LaVar because he has been a steady and consistent performer...oh, and he wasn't a 1st round pick.

Just what I think.......

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

BIG D IS BACK!!!! NOW THAT'S WHAT I AM TALKIN' ABOUT. HAYNESWORTH AND HALL ARE GOOD. WE WILL ROLL NOW AFTER WE ADD THE YOUNGIN' FROM TEXAS B.ORAPAKO AT #13 IN THE DRAFT. GOOD JOB VINNY AND THE DANNY!!!

Posted by: diopsdad | February 27, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain the cap situation like I'm a 4 year old please. How the hell can the skins afford these moves? How much restructuring can Vinny & co. do? I'm lost but a little excited nonetheless

Posted by: overzealous08 | February 27, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

isnadd, I think you're just trying to goad us all with obnoxiousness.

Your criticism of JLC is so out of line. Tell you what: We'll cut the blog subscription price in half just for you. Get a life.

Also, giving the selection of Chris Samuels a B+? What a spoiled brat. I'm sorry that a decade-long entrenched starter at LT who has made several Pro Bowls isn't good enough for you.

And then you give the Sean Taylor pick a B+ why? Because he was murdered?

Talk about no class. Start your own blog so we don't have to wade through your asinine comments.

Posted by: drischord | February 27, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Lost all cred? I never had any. It was just a quick grading exercise.....

Sean Taylor was a 1st round picked that played less than 4 seasons with the Skins. Unfortunatley due to his demise he will not give the Skins 10+ years of Pro-Bowl caliber play.

Sean Taylor was an A+ for the 4 years he played, unfortunately he is a B+ as a "draft pick" not a "player" based on the short tenure of his career.

As for LaVar... NO Way. Often injured and also only played here for 5 - 6 seasons. Derrick Brooks is an A+. I'd rate Antonio Pearce higher than LaVar because he has been a steady and consistent performer...oh, and he wasn't a 1st round pick.

Just what I think.......

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 10:49 PM

Whatever dude, you gave Landry a higher grade and he hasn't been here as long and he's not as good. Plus you spelled his name wrong.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain the cap situation like I'm a 4 year old please. How the hell can the skins afford these moves? How much restructuring can Vinny & co. do? I'm lost but a little excited nonetheless

Posted by: overzealous08 | February 27, 2009 10:51 PM |

You'd have to be an astro-accountant to explain it but it happened so just smile.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Exactly how do the Skins stay under the cap with AH, Hall and Dock?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2009 10:45 PM

I'd expect better from you Z. I know you've seen all my post about how 2010 is the Redskins golden parachute.

Read above for CAP questions answered already.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 27, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Did someone call for an Astro-Accountant?

Just so happen I am. You're in luck.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 27, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Can you get a PhD in that or what?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Whatever dude, you gave Landry a higher grade and he hasn't been here as long and he's not as good. Plus you spelled his name wrong.
Posted by: scampbell1975
--------------------------

Whose name did I spell wrong?

Sean Taylor was a human highlight reel, I seem to be the only one who remembers him getting beat on numerous occasions!

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

I have went back and forth about the Haynesworth deal and I came to this conlcusion. As long as we have the money to upgrade our line, I am happy with it and it looks like we did. We still need a OT and a LB and we are set. I say trade down and draft Laurenitis and then draft Britton or Loadholt

Posted by: Redskins001 | February 27, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

it's looking more and more like we're going OLB at 13

Posted by: Gfunk | February 27, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Whose name did I spell wrong?

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 11:04 PM

2003: Sean Tayler (S) Grade B+
2005: Carlos Rogers (CB) Grade B-
2005: Jason Campbell (QB) Grade C
2006: No pick
2007: LaRon Landry (S) Grade A-
2008: No pick Grade D: (for our the two second rounders that our 1st pick created)


Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 10:34 PM

I'm sure you can find it. Usually we all let typo's fly but o and e are on opposite sides of the keyboard so not exactly a typo. Besides, we're talking about ST here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain the cap situation like I'm a 4 year old please. How the hell can the skins afford these moves? How much restructuring can Vinny & co. do? I'm lost but a little excited nonetheless

Posted by: overzealous08 | February 27, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Because of the CBA there is an uncapped salary year in 2010. These restructurings were designed to put the biggest penalties in 2010 so if we eat them then it doesn't hurt us. These contracts we signed AH, Dock and Hall to all have a monster chunk of the base salary due in 2010 in the uncapped year so that the other years are all smaller. For instance. AH is only due $4 mil this year and something like $20 mil next year when it is uncapped. This way his base salary plus bonus in the years after is much more manageable. Dock is due $27 mil total, but something like $10 mil in the uncapped year, and then whatever the bonus is spread out with the remainder of the salary so he's due more like $4 mil per year in normal years.

Posted by: dodo1939 | February 27, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and everyone gets beat, everyone.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

All right, I'm that minus the astro part.

I actually don't think there is such a title...

But I get the CAP. It's like having Credit Cards. One for each year. You can transfer some balances to other CCs.

But, the Redskins have been offered the famous Black Card by American Express. If you don't know, the Black Card does not have an actual credit limit.

The Black Card = The Redskins 2010 Credit Card.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 27, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, choose ur poison carefully...we had four of the top 70(almost zero production) picks last year and three can't even get on the field in a draft where many players picked around them were solid contributers. Point is , Vinny is clueless in who to pick so why encourage getting more dead wood because thats what they become when Vinny does the picking.. At least with FA's there is a chance that they will play to their contract because they will be on the field. It pains me to admit it but this franchise will never be a superbowl winner without luck and luck alone. as in your coaches outcoach their given talent..As long as Vinny and Dan are making the decisions and not a true football guy/GM, we are doomed to the same results thinking and drinking the cool-aid given to us by the two headed decision makers. It's easy to pick first rounders, even when ur wrong because by then it's usually a consenses on who is good enough to be picked high. so where has vinny made a difference with the other rounds???? still waiting for that answer....A scott Pioli goes to another team yet Dan's loyal arrogence(better yes man) to vinny stops him from getting someone who really knows talent! He spends his money foolishly when all he had to do is give a fraction of that money to a pioli and stay out of the way... Must be because vinny is and always be first and foremost his whipping boy, yes man and somebody like pioli won't work for the Jones and synder's of the world because he will not be the true person calling the shots...that goes for any real GM/ football man. that is the only thing that will fix the redskins, not more free agents and wasted draft picks being picked by clueless people.

Posted by: klangley69 | February 27, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975: Don't get so emotional.

This is a great day for the Redskins, let's hope we all still think that 3 or 4 years from now when we are polishing super bowl trophies.

Oh, and Jason Tayler says hi.

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

isnadd, you're not going to make a lot of hay up here criticizing Sean Taylor.

4th, since you're an Astro-Accountant, what happens if a new CBA is signed and there IS a cap for the 2010 season? Albert Haynesworth turns into a pumpkin?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 27, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I made up the astro part, sort of like the astro physicist of accountants to illustrate how confusing it can be. I actually have a pretty good grasp of how the cap works but your explanation was by far more simple than mine would have been.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

lavar is an A+ just because he ended Aikmans career

Posted by: fbailey | February 27, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Honestly i like the moves that were made but i still think we need a reciever to stretch the field to really make this thing work. Santana is good and all but he needs someone else to help him. ARE sucks. What do you guys think about TJ I know he doesnt stretch the field but he is more of a threat than ARE.

Posted by: wattsicon | February 27, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975: Don't get so emotional.

This is a great day for the Redskins, let's hope we all still think that 3 or 4 years from now when we are polishing super bowl trophies.

Oh, and Jason Tayler says hi.

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 11:12 PM |

Got nothin to do with emotion just calling you on your mistake and BS grading system. Admit your mistake and move on, or don't.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Woohoo....we get a guy we know who knows our system....

Not sure if we will still make a play for Willis but that would be gravy.

Now lets focus on the draft.

Anyone who derides these signings is a boobird.

Posted by: goosedude | February 27, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Best move of the skins offseason. Its hard to believe, but somehow the fates conspired in Dan Snyder's favor on this one.

He must've made a good sacrifice to the football gods in Jnauary.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 27, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Good pick up now we just need to get rid of jansen and thomas and to me this will be considered a great offseason. if Reinhart sucks then why did we draft him let him play the entire preseason and if he sucks then fire the person that suggessted that we draft him.

P.S Justin Tryon sucks He couldn't cover my 4 yr old son

Posted by: wattsicon | February 27, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Goose, I'm not sure he knows our system. I believe we've moved more towards zone blocking since he was last here (although I could be wrong.) He definately knows the players though. Chemistry shouldn't be a problem.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

SKINS SHOULD DRAFT CEDRIC DOCKERY IN THE 5TH OR 6TH ROUND

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | February 27, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

you guys are not up with it. the only position available on offense is rt, and who is to say that heyer can't improve on last year.

Posted by: fbailey | February 27, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Isnad:

Wasn't TOM CARTER a DB not a WR?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor was a 1st round picked that played less than 4 seasons with the Skins. Unfortunatley due to his demise he will not give the Skins 10+ years of Pro-Bowl caliber play.

Sean Taylor was an A+ for the 4 years he played, unfortunately he is a B+ as a "draft pick" not a "player" based on the short tenure of his career."

wow is the some bizzarro world reasoning...that grading list was straight tard, sorry.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 27, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

you guys are not up with it. the only position available on offense is rt, and who is to say that heyer can't improve on last year.

Posted by: fbailey | February 27, 2009 11:20 PM

This is the same thing I have been saying.

We have a QB, RB, 2TE, An entire Oline save for RT, and 4 WRs including 2 youngsters with another year under our belt!

PROCESS!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 27, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Add Rg to your list of positions available on offense because randy is done. i remember when we first got him he was regarded as on of the best guards in the league. To me he never lived up to that hype. RANDY SUCKS HE HOWEVER IS GOOD AT GIVING A GOOD SOUND BIT DURING THE WEEK LEADING UP TO A GAME

Posted by: wattsicon | February 27, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

ChrisLarry,

That comes as a compliment coming from you, really.

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

4th, since you're an Astro-Accountant, what happens if a new CBA is signed and there IS a cap for the 2010 season? Albert Haynesworth turns into a pumpkin?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 27, 2009 11:12 PM


Shhh! We don't talk about in Redskins country. That would be the death of us.

But, in reality, it would be extremely difficult at this point to get a CBA and I think the players and owners want atleast 2010 to go unCAPped, then bring in a new CBA after that that would bring the CAP back in.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 27, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | February 27, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

isnadd you sure have lived up to your screen name. You are indeed a nad.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Come on, 4th, dodo, one of you dudes please 'splain to me what happens if a new CBA is signed and suddenly 2010 is a capped year. Do the Skins get a do-over?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 27, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

4th, since you're an Astro-Accountant, what happens if a new CBA is signed and there IS a cap for the 2010 season? Albert Haynesworth turns into a pumpkin?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 27, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry, there can't be a cap for 2010 now, we passed the threshold during last season. There is one guaranteed year of no-cap in 2010, and then future seasons are decided by the new CBA.

Posted by: dodo1939 | February 27, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

bY the way who does leigh torrence play for

Posted by: wattsicon | February 27, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

klangley69, you`re damn right with every word you said.
and let me add, whatever we have done in fa so far and will do in the draft, we won't go anywhere with jason campbell

Posted by: vladoiu | February 27, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Added though...if they don't renegotiate the CBA this year, then the deal expires after the 2010 season, and you know what that means when there is no CBA in a pro sports league :(

Posted by: dodo1939 | February 27, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Is it possible that the NFL will adopt a system like baseball with no cap and a luxury tax?

Dan Snyder would run a tab up like Republicans going to war!

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975,

So what's your take big-boy? Are you saying you think the Redskins are a good or great team at drafting 1st round picks?

That was the original point. Instead of criticzing me for having a take, let's hear yours. Back it up with some facts.

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

I have been hugely critical of the front office, but this might be their best 36 hours ever. The Haynesworth deal only made sense if it didn't come at the expense of the Oline. Bringing Dockery back and slotting him back next to his best friend Samuels was an awesome move, keeping Hall for Springs equally good, and Haynesworth now is an absolute homerun....especially since apparently the deal is really only 4 years 48 million with 41 guaranteed according to Mort. I love it. Now go RT at 13, speed back in the 3rd, two LBs late and it is an incredible offseason. Can't pin this one on the FO anymore, they did the best they could with what they could after last years debacle....they are obviously better at signing guys than drafting them.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 27, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh good one ballsac

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Okay, 4th, dodo, thanks.

So... the Skins are the ONLY team that figured out how to take full advantage of the uncapped year in 2010 with THIS YEAR's signings? Good grief. It's like their evil genius knows no bounds. They pulled an okey-doke on the whole freakin' league?!

Golf claps for the front office... a group of people whom I have collectively maligned with great vigor.

I guess this is... awesome.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 27, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

im not sure that campbell is the problem yet he was good when he had time this year then when there was no time he wasnt as good so who's to blame for that. at times it looked like he was running for his life when we would play a 3-4 defense. give him some protection and then see if he sucks or not. after all he did throw for over 3000 yard with no pass pro for the second half of the season

Posted by: wattsicon | February 27, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975 now resorts to name calling.
Nice.

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

This is a great signing for the skins. he's a known entity with the team and most of the coaching staff, plus he comes at about half the price of the original deal he signed with BUF.

As for all the chatter with the redskins picks, I really think this is a fairly deep draft. I'd be open to trading out of the 13th overall pick for a later pick in round one and then pick up addtl picks in rounds 2-4.

Have the compensatory picks for 2009 been released yet?

Posted by: IndySkinsFan | February 27, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

It's possible they could go to a baseball like system, but not likely. They don't really need revenue sharing like they do in baseball. A cap just keeps the rich from just buying championships and ensures parity.

Posted by: dodo1939 | February 27, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Sure thing Nate. I think they are just the first team to figure it out, other teams have caught on after these contracts though. Should get interesting now.

Posted by: dodo1939 | February 27, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

My only misgiving about the flurry of signings is the notion I just can't shake, that this is Dan Snyder's Real-Life Fantasy Football Redux. The first go-round of DSRLFF did not pan out very well for us.

And it's not like we were a one-player-away playoff team this past season. We were, ah, dysfunctional... and we faded badly in the second half of the season. And our offense ground to a halt in that second half of the season.

I hope all today's moves start to address the core issues with the roster last season, I really do. And I am thrilled to see Hall and Dock in the fold. Though I am still trying to reconcile my excitement at Haynesworth's signing with my disgust that we signed the guy who not so long ago intentionally stomped on another player's face with his freakin' cleats.

But you'll excuse me if, as a Redskins fan, I am a little wary of a blockbuster free agent haul like this one...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 27, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Ok, using your own list and grading here you go.
1993 Tom Carter (WR) Grade: C
1995: Michael Westbrook (WR) Grade: C-
1997: Kenard Lang (DE) Grade: B
1999: Champ Bailey (CB) Grade: A
2000: LaVar Arrington (LB) Grade: C
2001: Rod Gardner (WR) Grade: C
2000: Chris Samuels (OT) Grade: B+
2003: Sean Tayler (S) Grade B+
2005: Carlos Rogers (CB) Grade B-
2005: Jason Campbell (QB) Grade C
2007: LaRon Landry (S) Grade A-
2008: No pick Grade D: (for our the two second rounders that our 1st pick created)


Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 10:34 PM

According to you 11 out of the 16 picks made during this period were average (C=average) or better. I disagree with a few of your grades but we'll go with yours. I won't count 2008 because according to you and your Sean Taylor theory, you must play at least 4-5 years to earn above a B+ (so how Landry got an A- I have yet to figure out) so you can't even grade the rooks yet. You disproved your own point.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Nate, good points. I think we all agree that the team needs to win and took some very positive steps in that direction.

If you believe Defense wins championships then the Skins are in the mix.

My two big issues:
1. Jason Campbell is not a restaurant quality QB
2. SCampbell called me names

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

i think the hayneworth pick up is a little differet due to the fact that he is not here to get 10-15 sacks but his presence should make everyone around him better unlike stubby who was only good because he had bryant young next to him and then you all know the history of this loser

Posted by: wattsicon | February 27, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

I feel kind of bad for Martin Mayhew...

Posted by: p1funk | February 27, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

SC,
I'm really done with this now...thanks for trying your hardest to grasp the basic concept of everyone has their own opinions.

My grade for Landry was based on performance so far and future potential. I assure you if Landry quits tomorrow I will be forced to down-grade him.

Posted by: isnadd | February 27, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Colt should be our starter...yeah, I said it.

Posted by: dodo1939 | February 27, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Colt should be our starter...yeah, I said it.

Posted by: dodo1939 | February 27, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and you also made your screen name "dodo"

Posted by: p1funk | February 27, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Isnadd, beat at your own game so take your ball and go home. You and your grading system won't be missed. You comeback with a 1 player rebuttal when 10 others that you posted proved your own hypothesis wrong. You are certainly allowed your own opinion, that's what makes a debate a debate. My opinion is that you are wrong and proved it yourself.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

I realize after the second half of this season all the Campbell doubters (and outright haters) re-emerged from the shadows where they'd been banished by his terrific start. But I have never wavered in my conviction that Campbell can be the guy to run this offense and win games for us... and that he can even do things like, say, hit big plays for us now and again.

Campbell is not just MY quarterback, he's OUR quarterback, for the foreseeable future. By which I mean the 2009 season.

Colt Brennan... c'mon with the Colt stuff already.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Dodo is wrong. If a new collective bargaining agreement is in place before the end of February next year, then there is an not an uncapped year n 2010. This deal actually doesn't explode until year 5, so they can work it out next year even if a cap. But we are not past the point of no return on an uncapped year next year.

Posted by: docjohnson | February 28, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah... (something something... improving the O line... Dockery... pass protection... running game... something something)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Not a whole lot of chance at making any progress with the CBA until the NFLPA gets a new Pres.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Ah, here's docjohnson with a different take on the state of the league.

Which raises the question as to whether Danny Snyder, having overseen this smorgasbord of free agency signing which apparently hinges on an uncapped year in 2010, would act to obstruct the enactment of a new CBA in the next year...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I was guessing that he would do that all along.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

NAte - This is not a Reddux.

No old players were signed. Danny has learned. (I hope).

Haynesworth - 27
Hall - 26
Dockery - 28

It's all good......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Aye, aye, scampi.

Loving the conversation up here the past few nights. Love that we have NEWS to discuss. In February.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

I had a vision of the draft (and ensuing free agency):

We sign Ray Willis for RT.

1st round - OLB
3rd round - OL
5th round - OG, Cedric Dockery
6th round - OLB

Posted by: TDawg1 | February 28, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Nate, you should watch AH presser re his "character" stomp ex. I was impressed with the guy. YMMV, but give it a look.

Coaches (correctly, IMO) figured out our D was getting blown up on 3rd down because we were getting no interior push and therefore could not get off the field. They determined we needed stud interior dlinemen, we also all knew this. Snyder told them to grade them all and tell me who you want...then he went and got the dude. Locked up Hall to make roster two way above avg corners(they are among top 32/64 corners in league IMO), and now we already filled 1 out of the 2 most glaring needs on Oline.

Personally I would try to trade back and get both a stud (ie top two rounds) OT and LB, but best available OF THOSE TWO positions at 13 is OK with me.

Re Mayhew, he is gonna have to reload via draft, nobody but the dregs are gonna go there if they have any other options at all. Its not just the Lions...or being 0-16...its the whole overall blighted situation in Detroit, Michigan. He should REALLY look to move back but who wants to jump to number one overall? Who needs to come up that high? Maybe the Bucs, and they have the cap for sure. Anyway, that is his problem and he will have to build over multiple years to dig out from the morass.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

No way Dock was signed today. I was reading RI this morning and was sure I read that FA ended this morning and we did not address the OL, and we have no cap space to do so.

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 28, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I was only partially incorrect actually. There are trigger points in place in 2009, and 2010 that are set up to force the uncapped year next year. The first of those was triggered last season, which I thought ensured the uncapped year, but there have to be more than one trigger hit. That being said both sides have reasons to not want an uncapped year. Players would lose FA right, being pushed from 4 to 6 years, so the FA class would be watered down tons. The draft would no longer happen after 2011, so the NFL would not want that to happen on their end.

Expect a compromise with a redic cap figure in 2010 and getting back to normal thereafter, or one year without a cap and then a CBA in place for 2011 when the deal actually expires.

Posted by: dodo1939 | February 28, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

If a new collective bargaining agreement is in place before the end of February next year, then there is an not an uncapped year n 2010. This deal actually doesn't explode until year 5, so they can work it out next year even if a cap. But we are not past the point of no return on an uncapped year next year.

Posted by: docjohnson | February 28, 2009 12:01 AM

I think you are wrong on this one. That's too close to the New League year.

When the new CBA was renegetiated, it was the days before the next to the last capped year.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

"Loving the conversation up here the past few nights. Love that we have NEWS to discuss. In February."


Oh yeah. Unfortunately the Redskins are the Super Bowl Champions of Free Agency.

But, I have to give the front office a ton of credit today. Now we need a great draft. Not good. Not better than last year. Great!

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Well isnadd, we can at least agree on one thing. I, too, would like a great draft.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

dodo - Mawae said the players are prepared to go into at leat a 2010 unCAPed year...

The owners want it as well. Atleast for the one year...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

scampbell1975,

I think we can also agree that my watch costs more than your car.

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

I do sense the Skins are counting on an uncapped year. The players have been pretty open about saying that if the cap goes, it'll never come back.

And my argument is that if the cap goes, the Skins are hurt.

The reason is that the NFC is not only a tough division on the field, it has very deep pocketed teams. dal and nyg are both getting new stadiums with lots of revenues from luxury boxes, the iggles got their stadium just 5 years ago.

Not looking forward to a division where you got to outspend jerruh and the jints to have shot at the playoffs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

There is no mock draft with Orakpo falling to all the way down to 13....

so get more creative......

Posted by: unc1dmo | February 28, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Oh I'm sure, with that intellect you seem to possess your probably rolling in it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

zz we are almost always the highest grossing sports team out there.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

4th,

I'd like to see it too, it would give teams one shot to ditch dead weight contracts which would trigger new spending for the players, we'll have to wait and see though, it will be hot topic soon.

Posted by: dodo1939 | February 28, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

SC, well I guess you could have shut me up by telling me what type of car you have.

Here is my watch, it's a Vacheron.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Z - We have better revenue streams then Eagles and Gints.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

I'd love for us to trade our 1st and 3rd for Detroit's #20 and #32-- pick up OL and OLB in swoop.

Draft Cedric Dockery in the 5th!

Posted by: TDawg1 | February 28, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Now that was funny.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

WAYYYYYYY TOOOOOOOOOO Much Koolade drunks writing here....

The Bottom line on Snyder and Cerrato....

LOSERS on draft Day + OVERpaying their UNDERachieving Free agents is the Textbook way to stay OUT of the Playoffs...or IRRELEVANT when IN the Playoffs....

Posted by: unc1dmo | February 28, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and I drive a Ford Explorer Sport. I love that car. It just went over 100,000 miles but I can't bring myself to get rid of it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

"Oh, and I drive a Ford Explorer Sport. I love that car. It just went over 100,000 miles but I can't bring myself to get rid of it."
Posted by: scampbell1975


OK, I was right about the watch thing then. But hey, nothing wrong with not having car payments!

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Is laughing at all the haters who saiod we were screwed since NOV!!!!!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 28, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Well, one of my favorite time killers is fly fishing and it allows me to get to some pretty remote places without having to worry about beating up a new car. My wife has the new car.

Didn't you take a jab at Republicans?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Yes, republicans suck only slightly more than most democrats....but thank god we have a president who is intelligent and can put two sentences together.

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Dumb, dumber, and just plain stupid. He will lead the league in holdng penalties. The Bills need O linemen and they cut him. He's an overpriced average player and Snyder and his Toady treat him like an All Pro, which he isn't and will never be.

Posted by: pjente | February 27, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

AHHH go suck on a tree

Posted by: leevi98 | February 28, 2009 12:47 AM | Report abuse

SC, seriously, you are going to take me to task for my grading draft picks and you drive the only SUV ever made that only has two doors. (I'm not sure if that's true)

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Aye, aye, scampi.

Loving the conversation up here the past few nights. Love that we have NEWS to discuss. In February.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse


I second this notion (and many other by the author who penned it). I mean, wow, how sad and boring it must be for fans of teams like the Steelers or Giants or Colts or Patriots this time of year. No news. No beat writers doing interviews on ESPN's First Take. Nothing.

Not even crickets, since they hang out here too sometimes.

Then again, those fans have those shiny, silver footballs to talk about at the END of the season.

The Hall signing was great. Truly great start. Canty, then Willis, then maybe Doc would have been dandy. Keep the piggy whole so we don't loose JC after his breakout year this year or LL when his rookie contract is up.

But then we time warped to 2007.

Repeat after me...

The definition of insanity.

Repeat after me...

I hope I'm wrong. Truly.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | February 28, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Yep, that's how that works. Cars and football knowledge are mutually exclusive (that means they have nothing to do with each other.) I'm guessing your an independent or liberatian because no real democrat would spend thousands of dollars on a watch when people are starving and need medical care.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Are we really devolving in my status symbol is bigger than your status symbol debates?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

"because no real democrat would spend thousands of dollars on a watch when people are starving and need medical care."

I hear that! Spending more than $40 on a watch is straight deuche!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

No cL, I'm just telling the truth about my automobile. I feel no need to exagerate the value of my monetary possessions.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

I do! My Stooges Funhouse mono pressing is going on ebay for $34!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

If Fat Albert does his job we should be able to get to the passer fine with JT, AC, and DE. I think our D line is solidified, well it better be for the $100 mil we just dropped.

In the draft I'd love to get be Andre Smith or the best OLB available and we should be good. What we need is for two of the three pass catchers from last year to step up and play like men.

Posted by: BAdams3 | February 28, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

My flyrod costs more than my watch.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

I voted for Obama, Kerry, Gore, and Clinton twice. My tax bracket suggests I would be better served by a Republican administration but my political belief is to vote for the candidate who will do the most for the most people....

The watch comment was a joke, I don't even wear a watch. But I do have one more expensive than your car sitting in my safety deposit box.....

Do you that Albert Haynesworth will make as much as I made last year when he plays 1 quarter of 1 game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/salary/index?athleteId=3939133

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

I think you just tried a Jedi mind trick. I should probably take exception to some part of what you wrote, SoCal...

I thought we'd all agreed that it would be a good idea to just accept the fact that the team we love has not won a championship in a very long time, and that we'd all agreed that our conversations up here would be predicated on that understanding.

Yes, I wish the Redskins had won one the last, oh, 15 NFL titles. But they haven't. By that measure (as I've written before) the Skins are a lesser franchise than the:

Dallas (3 titles since the Skins' last one... barf)
49ers
Packers
Broncos (2)
Rams
Ravens
Patriots (3)
Bucs
Steelers (2)
Colts
Giants (again, barf)

And that chaps my hide.

I *loathe* the people who run the Redskins. And I will be stunned if this team wins a title on their watch. But again, I think they deserve a couple of golf claps for rolling the dice the way they did today, outmaneuvering the 31 other teams who (it would seem) could have done what they did today.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

I expect breakout year from Malcolm Kelly.
And yeah, I know that wouldn't take much, LOL

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm not going into my salary but I am an architect that graduated from GT about 13 years ago. That may give you a hint.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

we may have a better revenue stream now ... though I'm not sure we do ... the new stadiums with their new boxes and PSLs are another story.

My uncle has season tix for the jints, they're every bit as hard to ge a hold of as Skins season tix. cowpuke tix are probably no different. And the jints only need to pay 1/2 the stadium rent, the Jets get to pay the other half

By any measure, we are in the strongest financial division in football. Uncapping is good for us relative to the league as a whole, but not good in our division.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 1:03 AM | Report abuse

I like it. I used to point out Dockery's Screw Ups all the time, but, in hindsight, seems we got the growing pains. He looked good in Buffalo and had actually started to come around his last year here.

Nice Move. A needed one.

Haynesworth - that's a lot of money, but it is D Line, so we'll have to see if it turns into a "Good Deal."

We'll be better next year: Bottom line.

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | February 28, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

"I voted for Obama, Kerry, Gore, and Clinton twice..."

I'm guessing you vote for American Idol too.

Posted by: filmchis | February 28, 2009 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Umm, hold the phone-- from this report it sounds like Chad Rinehart could work his way into the starting RG position if he has a great offseason (not like the bust Jasno has been making him out to be): http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Ever_Loyal__Bugel_Discusses_State_Of_the_O_Line_32019.jsp

Yeah, I know its from Snyder's mouth, but dang! I ain't willing to give up on the kid yet.

Posted by: TDawg1 | February 28, 2009 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Well I must say the banter has been entertaining. I pray all of the moves we made today pan out better than many in the past. I like the relative youth movement. We plugged some major holes already. The rest is icing for now. HAIL!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 1:15 AM | Report abuse

I think you just tried a Jedi mind trick. I should probably take exception to some part of what you wrote, SoCal...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

These are not the Free Agents you are seeking. Move along.

...ahhh...if only it were that easy.

Again, I really, really hope I'm wrong. But hope is not an architect for success, and team chemistry isn't something that can be conjured using a Jr. High School science kit.

The notion that a Front Office that has been famously unsuccessful in hitching the success of this franchise to both hope and conjured chemistry has somehow out-witted the entire League regarding the uncapped 2010 that is our only hope of keeping long-term the young talent (JC, LL, any of the WR who blossom this year) that currently exists on this team is...well...dare I say it..."Obi Wan, you are our only hope"

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | February 28, 2009 1:30 AM | Report abuse

I think you just tried a Jedi mind trick. I should probably take exception to some part of what you wrote, SoCal...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

These are not the Free Agents you are seeking. Move along.

...ahhh...if only it were that easy.

Again, I really, really hope I'm wrong. But hope is not an architect for success, and team chemistry isn't something that can be conjured using a Jr. High School science kit.

The notion that a Front Office that has been famously unsuccessful in hitching the success of this franchise to both hope and conjured chemistry has somehow out-witted the entire League regarding the uncapped 2010 that is our only hope of keeping long-term the young talent (JC, LL, any of the WR who blossom this year) that currently exists on this team is...well...dare I say it..."Obi Wan, you are our only hope"

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | February 28, 2009 1:31 AM | Report abuse

as for chemistry we only added one player cause dock was already part of the skins. d. hall was with us last season(at least half) and seem to be getting along. So Ah is the only new face

Posted by: why-hate | February 28, 2009 1:41 AM | Report abuse

But SoCal, it appears that the front office DID pull an okey-doke on every other team (not to mention fans like me who thought we had, like, some kind of salary cap ceiling that would limit our activity in this FA market).

The Bucs were forty freakin' million dollars under this year's cap, and the Skins beat them and everybody else to get Stompy. Because the Skins figured out that this year's cap wasn't the issue... put the load on next year's cap and play chicken with the CBA and go go go...

I AM skeptical about all this free agent activity translating into a proportional rise in success on the field next season. Maybe less skeptical than I should be because Hall is a re-signing and Dock is coming back home after a couple years away.

(And if next year is uncapped, if the Skins have anyone whose contract they want to extend they can just give them exorbitant salaries for 2010. That's Part II of this plan, methinks.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 28, 2009 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Still say too many eggs in too few baskets.

Always a big red flag for me are guys who seem to play a lot better when they are in their contract year, Mssrs Hall and Haynesworth.

I'm skeptical ... but I do realize the Skins are a more talented team today than they were 24 hours ago. Adding 1 Haynesworth and 1 Dockery = two big upgrades.

Shawn Springs and a Demetric Evans are genuine losses, both guys are good players.

Still, the net is a big gain ... if the talent plays up to its ability

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 1:57 AM | Report abuse

I love the signings...but as should be warned...our expectations should be held in check.

I expected 8-8 last year...and that's what we got.

We'll have to see how the draft goes, and then see if Campbell takes more steps forward.

My dream is the offensive system starts to click and the 2nd years start to contribute. Kelly & Thomas have all the talent to complement Moss & ARE.....with a healthy offseason and a whole camp....suffice to say I know people have reason to be excited.

Posted by: goosedude | February 28, 2009 2:14 AM | Report abuse

+++Do you know Albert Haynesworth will make as much as I made last year when he plays 1 quarter of 1 game.

Posted by: isnadd+++

No but hum a few bars and me and the band will try and fake it.

Posted by: TheCork | February 28, 2009 2:17 AM | Report abuse

Nate:

I have bled Maroon and Black freely and with the kind of passion reserved for one's paramount allegiance to his/her one, truly special team for as long as I can remember...and even a tad bit beyond my memory, as my mother enjoys very much reminding me of how I succeded in the spelling of my first mulit-syllabic word -- Redskin -- by scribing in red crayon the length of a hallway wall in my childhood home.

And I will continue to do so without fail for the remainder of my days (sans the crayon until age makes that my instrument of choice again). So post my commentary above, I am thoroughly enjoying the vanquishing of all foes by our 2009 'Skins that is currently playing out in my mind's eye; and I will certainly once again endeavor to offer salves crafted from my passion for the inevitable and utterly regrettable negativity that will permiate this very board upon the first mis-step in the coming season.

ALL THAT SAID...I long for a Front Office whose vision skewed younger and more long-term with regard to team building. I moved to DC in 1996 upon graduating college in a far-flung place...partly to experience my beloved 'Skins in person. I was willing to endure the deepest and darkest years with the notion that the franchise would need to purge in order to rise again in a manner that would restore it to its rightful place as a perennial SuperBowl contendor by focusing on building a true TEAM through youth and the draft. And I still hold that notion.

Unfortunately our current regime does not...and sadly I fear that they have relegated us to -- at best -- perenial playoff hopefulls. And at worst...a textbook on how not to succeed in the NFL.

HTTR! Not to the Front Office.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | February 28, 2009 2:23 AM | Report abuse

Good start on fixing the lines. Dockery is a real nice piece of the pie.

I'm rethinking a trade down. Let's see who's there at 13. A good OLB or ORT and pull the trigger.

If everyone new plays up to potential and/or their best previous season, that's a couple more wins right there. If the first rounder starts and one or two of las year's drafted receivers have good years....and everybody's health hold up why.....

OMG...I'm okay now, just an attack of Pollyanna Glasshalfulitis


Posted by: TheCork | February 28, 2009 2:24 AM | Report abuse

I'd actually consider trading up at this point, if they can manage the cap hit. They really have just two 'can't live with it' situations at the moment. OLB and RT (WR maybe). Get a guy who can come in and play as a rookie, at either spot. But he's got to be a player that can start on day 1. Won't get that by trading down.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 2:35 AM | Report abuse

It was a busy day yesterday, but there is still more happening with the Redskins and free agency. Jason just phoned in and said that his sources are telling him that the Redskins are still a player in the Chris Canty sweepstakes. They're also still interested in the RT Willis from Seattle. More than likely they'll have to renegotiate Jason Taylor's contract. We'll have more about this later today.

Posted by: _CindyBoren | February 28, 2009 3:04 AM | Report abuse

The nice part of still being in college... you can't get drunk in college town bars for pretty cheap on a fairly regular basis, only to find out we signed DDock for a reasonable price and brought hope back to us redskin nation.

As much as I hate charlottesville, it would be pretty sweet to move up to around pick 8 and get Eugene Monroe.

To periculum, who had his panties in a wad all day... if you really think we need a CB that bad we should take the best OT we can at 13 and move up into the second round to take Macho Harris, he's a beast.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | February 28, 2009 3:14 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: cocodc1:
"Actually we do pretty good with our first picks.. cant count last year cause that wasnt a first rounder..."

Oh my god. You know how when you laugh really hard while you fart some poop almost comes out? That just happened to me!

Let me remind you:


....................


you put landry higher than 21? go home and go kill yourself.

Posted by: shoup904 | February 28, 2009 3:25 AM | Report abuse

You heard it here first, but the Hokies are gonna upset Duke in basketball 12 hours.


Also, this may seem like a very long shot, but I'm also calling Hokie Basketball to upset the Tarheels on Wednesday. Making it the 2nd time in 3 years the Hokies beat UNC and DUKE back to back in one week.

Hoki, Hoki, Hoki, Hy!

Posted by: hokiesmokie | February 28, 2009 3:33 AM | Report abuse

Skins signing more free agents?

Posted by: bangkokben | February 28, 2009 3:35 AM | Report abuse

It was a busy day yesterday...

Posted by: _CindyBoren | February 28, 2009 3:04 AM

Dash Cindy (_CindyBoren), are you related to Cindy without the dash (CindyBoren)?

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2009 3:36 AM | Report abuse

_probably will jinx it with this... but at least vinny is not trading away the draft picks. _cindy , we await the more to come ... but who else is going to get released? Canty and Willis cant make it in merely under the restructured JTaylor contract, can they? who's the Houdini capologist in the back office?

Posted by: sdefife | February 28, 2009 3:56 AM | Report abuse

just got the answer to my capologist Q in the just posted "cuts and creativity" article ...

_probably will jinx it with this... but at least vinny is not trading away the draft picks. _cindy , we await the more to come ... but who else is going to get released? Canty and Willis cant make it in merely under the restructured JTaylor contract, can they? who's the Houdini capologist in the back office?
_____
the answer from the Jasons:
"Getting those players signed required some deft maneuvering by Eric Schaffer, the Redskins' vice president of football administration and salary cap expert"

Posted by: sdefife | February 28, 2009 4:07 AM | Report abuse

Dash Cindy (_CindyBoren), are you related to Cindy without the dash (CindyBoren)?

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2009 3:36 AM

No, I'm related to chris_larry. Mwah ha ha ha!

Posted by: _CindyBoren | February 28, 2009 4:26 AM | Report abuse

I like this! Smoot is back in form after returning, and Dockery's in better shape with this O than ever before because the call signals familiar on the line with Buges. Add a trade of One of our Wideouts, with a RB and we can trade for a big, tough, big hands, attentive receiver. I am thinking a team may need depth at RB, yet get at least a young receiver to their corps, it is MORE likely than signing TJ, who's price tag is going to way too high for us, since we completed the tri-facta, I had hoped for!

I think the teams we may be looking at are, Tampa Bay (for Antonio Bryant - his role will be slightly better with the Skins, since Moss would get seams, deep and curls with Bryant stretching the field AND complimenting the other receivers). Cooley can spend more time blowing up short and out routes, clearouts with monster blocks downfield).

Another choice is reaching for a AFC receiver in Denver, who could use an extra RB, and replace a loss of a wideout with a second year one, in Kelly or Thomas. Marshalls' not it, but they have another.

Posted by: kurtbw | February 28, 2009 4:33 AM | Report abuse

'm not going into my salary but I am an architect that graduated from GT about 13 years ago. That may give you a hint.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Hey! i like the snippets of insight on the real lives of the RI dramatis personae. Let's all give it a go.

I am a 5ft tall Italian American with a rampant Napoleon complex and a teeny weeny. Oh no, that's someone else.

I am an english marketing/research consultant living in london, graduated from PCL in 89. and i want dallas

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | February 28, 2009 4:44 AM | Report abuse

HTTR! Not to the Front Office.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan


Hey I am feelin' ya there buddy. However, Aside the AH eye popper, I think getting quality at CB and OL was key and for who was available, the signings were right on time. Its a big motivator for all three, DL, OL and DB! Its what you want on a team to stay at a high level more than one year.

Posted by: kurtbw | February 28, 2009 4:44 AM | Report abuse

wait, wait, did isnadd really just jab republicans for war spending... didnt Obama just put the deficit in the trillions... oh and dont come at me with it was because of the republicans, cause it all started in the mid 90's with deregulation...Clinton

I hate ignorant a-holes who speak outta their @ss

Posted by: Zeebs | February 28, 2009 4:57 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, i am never up this early.... yea for dock!

Posted by: Zeebs | February 28, 2009 5:01 AM | Report abuse

AH is surprisingly soft spoken... just belies his beastly stature.

Posted by: Zeebs | February 28, 2009 5:13 AM | Report abuse

All the comments are good reading. My question is who will play QB? Coach Zorn system doesn't fit J. Campbell talents. He is a verticle passer and not a dink and dunk. He is to slow in proccessing defensive in a short passing game. I don't think he's the answer. I don't have one, but, Colt Brennan, I feel thinks faster,but, has allot to learn. Or maybe someone else out there could run this style offense. He is not the long term answer. The way ths Skins have spent money this year, I don't feel the Skins will have enough money to resign him anyhow. I think Scampbell 1975 had some interesting suggestions. We'll see. They have more holes to fill, I just hope they make the right picks. Go Skins!

Posted by: eztiger44 | February 28, 2009 6:00 AM | Report abuse

P.S Justin Tryon sucks He couldn't cover my 4 yr old son

Posted by: wattsicon | February 27, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse
Does your 4-year old have good hands?

Posted by: frediefritz | February 28, 2009 6:55 AM | Report abuse

My flyrod costs more than my watch.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 12:58 AM


I'm not going into my salary but I am an architect that graduated from GT about 13 years ago. That may give you a hint.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 1:02 AM


Man, this place was rocking last night. I will say two things to my fellow 'Ramblin 'Reck, scamp:

(1) Albert Haynesworth's watch costs more than his flyrod, and I think that's the way it should be. And

(2) We should have gone to Virginia Tech, not Georgia Tech. Deangelo Hall majored in "secondary education" as a Hokie and he's only been out of school for five years and he's making $55 million.

I don't know about you, but I want my kids to be Hokies, not Yellow Jackets.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

I have been hugely critical of the front office, but this might be their best 36 hours ever. The Haynesworth deal only made sense if it didn't come at the expense of the Oline. Bringing Dockery back and slotting him back next to his best friend Samuels was an awesome move, keeping Hall for Springs equally good, and Haynesworth now is an absolute homerun....especially since apparently the deal is really only 4 years 48 million with 41 guaranteed according to Mort. I love it. Now go RT at 13, speed back in the 3rd, two LBs late and it is an incredible offseason. Can't pin this one on the FO anymore, they did the best they could with what they could after last years debacle....they are obviously better at signing guys than drafting them.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 27, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

You get the gold star, zj! That statement is concise, and right on target.

Goooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllll!

Posted by: frediefritz | February 28, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Rypien11: "Trade our 3rd, 5th, and 6th for a high 2nd.Take Orakpo at #13 and then Loadholt/Britton/Mack in the 2nd. Or some combination of OL/LB. Case closed."

You mind if we reopen it for a moment? The Skins lack depth. They need more choices, not fewer. The free agents they're signing are front-line types, that will allow them to cut somebody else, probably an aging stalwart. Does nothing for their depth. That's where the draft choices come in.

If Rinehart doesn't stick -- and he may not -- then they're going to have to draft somebody else and begin that two or three year process of developing him into a regular. If Evans leaves, same thing goes for a big, strong DE type. Somebody who can move inside and help the rush on occasion.

They need linebackers. Not one star, but at least two young guys to develop. McIntosh has that injury history. Fletcher is aging. HB Blades cnly play so much. They're thin at LB.

That's at least part of what's involved in this FA binge. They're trying to bridge the widening gap between the aging stars who are close to retirement, and the young guys who aren't ready for a full-time role. They're looking for some players in their prime -- like Albert, Hall, and Dockery, and maybe Ray Willis -- to carry the water now.

Draft choices are where you get your depth. You don't have to compete for them, and their salaries are slotted for the most part, so budget impact is minimal except for high first rounders.

Of course, Dan and Vinny could fall in love with some pass rusher, change their minds, and trade the whole class a la Mike Ditka in New Orleans.

You recall how that worked out.


Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2009 7:15 AM | Report abuse

SNYDER BOYCOTT

It’s been 10 years now and the record is clear: Dan Snyder has shown that buying big-name players he hopes will put fannies in the FedEx seats (and make him more money) is more important to him than building a team that will win championships.

In the past decade he’s made the Redskins the second-most valuable team in sports, while denying the fans who pay the money a bona fide winner. It’s time for Snyder to go, and the only way to achieve this goal is for him to lose money.

Since all he cares about is money, it’s time to hit him where he lives. It’s too much to ask season ticket holders to let go of their tickets. They’re hoping for a brighter future ONE day. But for others, boycott ticket sales, especially for exhibition games. Also, if you attend a game, don’t spend money on programs, concessions, or souvenirs – not even on parking.

For those who don’t attend games, continue to love your Redskins, but do not buy Redskins logo paraphernalia such as jerseys, caps, sweatshirts, blankets, mugs, etc. Be loyal and wear all the burgundy and gold generic clothing you want, but purchase nothing with a Redskins logo that will send a percentage to Snyder’s coffers.

Finally, boycott the many Snyder/Redskins media programs, whether they are broadcast on Snyder’s Red Zebra network or on other media outlets. Low ratings mean no ad revenue for Snyder.

Extreme measures? Yes. But these are extreme times and Daniel Snyder is an extremely repugnant owner. As long as he’s making money, he will stay. (It’s the same theory as feeding skunks.)

Posted by: MrMerkin | February 28, 2009 7:23 AM | Report abuse

I have been hugely critical of the front office, but this might be their best 36 hours ever.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 27, 2009 11:38 PM

Best 36 hours? We'll see. But no doubt it is their biggest plash ever. Way biggest, and it may not be over yet. Canty? Willis? Ooh la la.

Problem is that we've been fooled too many times, mistaking a big plash for a quality team. Instead, the whole has been less than the sum of the parts.

Maybe this time is different? I'd love to see Snyder stick to the haters, the Jasnos, Don Bankses, and Corks, but so far the haters have been right and the owner's been wrong. The haters come around and ruin what should be a great February-March-April Super Bowl run for us, where money truly can buy success: "Everyone knows you can only build a team through the draft, slowly and patiently, blah blah blah, deep bench, etc."

That gets so tedious, especially coming from such pud heads. This year will be different! We're going to show the world that, yes, money really can buy the Lombardi Trophy! The way you win a Super Bowl is with luck and money and a few bad calls against the other team. Drafts are irrelevant. We've thrown down the gauntlet yet again. Take that, haters.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 7:25 AM | Report abuse

With our first pick, get a Linebacker, other picks for offensive line and defensive backs.

As long as we stay healthy and the young receivers pick up their game, we should be underdogs to nobody.

Go Skins.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | February 28, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

"cocodc1" spelled Sean Taylor's name wrong. Obviously not a real Skins fan. And anybody who knows anything about football, knows that picking Taylor in the draft automatically gave the Redskins an A+.

That man was headed to Canton!

Posted by: doubleOneven | February 28, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

"cocodc1" spelled Sean Taylor's name wrong. Obviously not a real Skins fan.

Posted by: doubleOneven | February 28, 2009 7:41 AM

The weigh you knoe this is becuase real Redksins fans are genuises and we nevr misspel anything. HTTW!!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

could've gotten similar production at a fraction of the cost with lower tier fas and draft picks, now they'll restructure these deals 3x's in the next 5 yrs and wont be able 2 cut their fat bloated carcasses till their 45 yrs old WE HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE, IT DOESNT WORK!!!!

Posted by: steveets | February 28, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

"Time will tell whether the Redskins should have found two linemen -- one on the offensive side as well or a pass rusher, which the team still needs -- instead of spending it all in one place, as the Redskins are wont to do."
Wilbon

Guess the dockery sighning means that wilbon should write a rebuttle on his critism of the FO. Skins FO outsmarted you too wilbon.

BIAS ADMISSION: I hate Wilbon and always have. Even before the unforgivable Sean Taylor comments.

Posted by: Brutus2 | February 28, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

TDawg1: ...from this report it sounds like Chad Rinehart could work his way into the starting RG position if he has a great offseason (not like the bust Jasno has been making him out to be): http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Ever_Loyal__Bugel_Discusses_State_Of_the_O_Line_32019.jsp
Yeah, I know its from Snyder's mouth, but dang! I ain't willing to give up on the kid yet."

It's definitely too early to give up on Rinehart, but Buges didn't say he'd start him. Just that before they were comfortable putting him on the field with starters, he had some ground to make up.

Not the same thing, is it?

What Bugel said (in my reading) is that the kid fell into a deep slump about a third of the way into the season and didn't work his way out til the last four or five weeks. He improved (Bugel said he seemed to 'get it') but not enough, apparently, to make it onto an actual football field.

I like Rinehart. But starting this season? That would be a 'surprise'.

Posted by: TDawg1

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

To those of you who post that Dr Hold looked good in Buffalo in 2008, what are you talking about? I live in the Buffalo area and he did NOT look good. The sportswriters and fans are doing cartwheels because he's gone.
Question, who are the luckiest people in the world?
Answer, NFL free agents with average talent because with idiots like the 'Skins front office, one can become an instant multi-millionaire.

In my next life........

Posted by: pjente | February 28, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

To those of you who post that Dr Hold looked good in Buffalo in 2008, what are you talking about?

Posted by: pjente | February 28, 2009 8:35 AM

You're not reading it correctly. What we're posting is that Dock looked good in Washington, not Buffalo. No one looks good in Buffalo.

Dock looked so good in Washington that Buffalo made him the highest paid guard in the league. How smart was that?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

So I guess we will be going into the season with the same WR corps. Even if the defense creates a shorter field, I still have my doubts with these guys getting it done.

Posted by: joeboggs | February 28, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

NFL free agents with average talent because with idiots like the 'Skins front office, one can become an instant multi-millionaire.

Posted by: pjente | February 28, 2009 8:35 AM

And speaking of "idiot front offices" Buffalo not only outbid the 'Skins and overpaid for Dock, but then they tried to trade him but, as Jasno wrote above: "Buffalo and Detroit had agreed to a trade Thursday .... However, the Bills failed to file the necessary paperwork with the NFL Management Council by the 4 p.m. dealine,"

How in the hell does a front office not file the paperwork in time? Buffalo just gave up a couple of draft picks because they couldn't file the paperwork and you're up here talking about "idiot front office"? Man, you're a fool.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

OK,OK,OK, I Know guys and girls, like every other skins fan I have been burnt buy the seemingly fantastic offseasons that produce no results. I think we the entire Redskins Nation has come to the conclution that the way to build a succesful team is the draft and not via free agency. HOWEVER, these moves are different. Haynesworth is unquestionably the best D-lineman in football, and he is young, not some past his prime vet looking to cash in on his snyder 401k. The other two are essentially resighnings of other young players who have already proven themselves as good redskins. We got Dock for far less than we would have had to pay to resighn him a few years ago, and the same goes for Hall if we had persued him via free agency last year. So this is not the same old skins FO shananigans, weve essentially only sighned 1 FA, and everybody wanted this guy. If we save our draft picks, and draft wisely. Coach up last years draft into quality players, then I would argue the FO has learned its lesson and is not trying to buy a super bowl.(even the patriots sighned quality free agents) But if the FO starts to go hogg wild (no pun intended) in FA this year and go after a big name WR then we are headed towards a reduxx.

Posted by: Brutus2 | February 28, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Hey Mikeysuperdons:

Your 4:44 a.m. And what do you want dallas FOR with that teeny weeny? Surely not abuse.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 28, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I didn't post that the 'Skins front office were the only idiots in the NFL. You made that assumption. What does that make you?

When they end the 2009 seaon at 8-8, let's talk.

Posted by: pjente | February 28, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

"Time will tell whether the Redskins should have found two linemen -- one on the offensive side as well or a pass rusher, which the team still needs -- instead of spending it all in one place, as the Redskins are wont to do."
Wilbon

Guess the dockery sighning means that wilbon should write a rebuttle on his critism of the FO. Skins FO outsmarted you too wilbon.

BIAS ADMISSION: I hate Wilbon and always have. Even before the unforgivable Sean Taylor comments.


Posted by: Brutus2 | February 28, 2009 8:24 AM |

Agreed.

But here is the real reason we signed him:

Marketing. Ticket Sales. Luxury Seats. After all that, then play on the field.

So, once you consider all that, he is worth the money spent....

Dan is smart in that respect. It's just when he started doing that originally, he signed the downhill big names. Now he is signing these guys at their peak instead of after.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

BRUTUS2:

HAYNESWORTH is NOT young. He has 7 seasons under his belt. As a survivor, he is middle-aged. Damm.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 28, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

bottom line is u need depth to win in the nfl,paying one guy at what u could have 2 or 3 quality players is absurd the last 10 superbowl winners never did more than supplement in free agency. guys sign huge contracts and dont play the same just the nature of the beast hunger and a need to be the best is what makes these guys great, once they attain that status they tail off

Posted by: steveets | February 28, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

glawrence,

Haynesworth is 27, thats young to me, especially for a big lineman who can take a beating. 7 seasons is a long time for a running back, but not a lineman.

Also, you have to admit that he is in his prime, and not past it like other free agents we have sighned in the past. i.e. Bruce Smith.

Posted by: Brutus2 | February 28, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"Hey! i like the snippets of insight on the real lives of the RI dramatis personae. Let's all give it a go."

I am a shortish speedy former slash with great hands and horizontal return skills.

Posted by: ElYeah | February 28, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

We had Dockery..and let him go...now resigning him as one of the highest O linemen in ther league. The incompetence of D and V never ceases to amaze me.
WE HAVE NOT HEARD ONE WORD FROM THE COACH.
WONDER IF THE DYNAMIC DUO..EVEN CONSULTED ZORN BEFORE GOING FOR THE FREE AGENTS??? I GUESS ONE THING ABOUT HIRING A GUY AS YOUR HEAD COACH..WHO HAD NO EXPERIENCE AT THAT LEVEL...GIVES THE OWNER EVEN MORE BOSSING PRIVILEGES THAN NORMAL.
The 49`ers did this kind of spending...and once they mortgaged themselves for years..the team fell apart..and has not recovered. I see that for this team. They can`t keep spending and re-working play contracts..it all catches up if a few years....101 arithmetic.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | February 28, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

blazerguy is right. and i,m pretty sure cerrato was in san fran then.

Posted by: steveets | February 28, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I think everyone needs to stop bashing these decisions until we see them play! How can you judge when you haven't seen them in action yet? I know we've been doing the same thing for years, but some acquisitions have worked. (London) And like everyone else said, at least we're not getting an old washed up player, and we're getting someone to help our defensive line, instead of going crazy and getting a bunch recievers, running backs and tight ends, this was a need, we're addressing our problems, we didn't have a disruptive defensive line. He can make us better, and DeAngelo, Carlos and all our secondary will now have more chances to make plays because of the pressure we'll get on QBs. I just want to see before every starts getting angry.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 28, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

could've gotten similar production at a fraction of the cost with lower tier fas and draft picks, now they'll restructure these deals 3x's in the next 5 yrs and wont be able 2 cut their fat bloated carcasses till their 45 yrs old WE HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE, IT DOESNT WORK!!!!


Posted by: steveets | February 28, 2009 8:18 AM

Next year is going to be an uncapped year so the skins would be able to dump most of those contracts. There seem to be a method to the FO’s madness this year. I can’t help but think that there is a smear campaign against the Skins by ESPN (The model of Journalistic integrity). The more reason I’m pulling for the FO to succeed with these moves.

None of the opinions of the so called experts matter right now. We’ll see how well or how bad the skins play during the season. The season will start and the skins record would be what it is no matter what ESPN thinks of these moves.

Posted by: Ejayraptor | February 28, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I guess this is... awesome.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 27, 2009 11:38 PM |
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Good for you Nate. You're finally seeing the bright side.

At least you're not bitter & bewildered, like JLC.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 28, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

"Dan Snyder would run a tab up like Republicans going to war!"

You say that like what the Democrats and Osama are doing is better!? They are completely f*ing our generation (those of us younger than 30) in the future. It is unfortunate that poor president like Bush got us a f*ing socialist like Osama.

Posted by: morrownd1 | February 28, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Overpaid a bit but getting critical help on the O line from a steady performer who's still in the prime of his career...brillant!

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | February 28, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Overpaid a bit but getting critical help on the O line from a steady performer who's still in the prime of his career...brillant!

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | February 28, 2009 9:38 AM

How do you get "overpaid"? The dude is taking less from the Redskins than he would have gotten in Buffalo or in Detroit. Sounds to me like we underpaid.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Draft Orakpo use him to replace M. Washington and I think we will have a REAL fierce pass rush next season. Dock was a great move he will improve our run game and make the left side more solid. If they don't cut Janson they should just put his ass on the bench. Heyer on the right will help Jason stay upright. For all you who say ARE sucks you are dead wrong he has just been asked to do something he is not suited for, and that's be a #2 receiver. I think Thomas will step up this season and you will see both him and ARE flourish, as a #3 ARE will best use his talents.

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | February 28, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins shook up the free-agent market Friday morning when they made Albert Haynesworth the NFL's first $100 million defensive player. But not before the Giants tried to get him first. The Giants made a surprising run at the big defensive tackle, calling his agent just after midnight and staying "in the mix" for several hours, two NFL sources told the Daily News. They didn't immediately back out when they were told the 27-year-old wanted more than $30 million guaranteed, one source said, though eventually the price got way out of their range. Haynesworth signed a seven-year deal worth $100 million-$115 million with $41 million guaranteed, just 5-1/2 hours after the free-agent signing period began. His agent, Chad Speck, confirmed the Giants' interest but said the final choice came down to the Redskins and the Buccaneers. -- NY Daily News

Posted by: ga8085 | February 28, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I'd still rather get a RT in the 1st round over a LB. Heyer can then be the first backup at both tackle spots and Jansen will only be able to see the field if we have some catstrophe and have both tackles get injured. We might be able to get a decent LB in the 3rd round. Maybe McIntosh will play better another year removed from knee surgery if he can stay healthy. Or Fincher or some other unknown can step in there. I am not ready to just say the OL is fixed after getting Dockery back in the mix. Though I do like it.

Dockery could have been playing poorly in Buffalo due to being unhappy and unmotivated. Cindy said something yesterday how it seemed he only left for the money. Back with Buges and his boy Samuels I expect he will be a solid player.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 28, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

We had Dockery..and let him go...now resigning him as one of the highest O linemen in ther league. The incompetence of D and V never ceases to amaze me.
WE HAVE NOT HEARD ONE WORD FROM THE COACH.
WONDER IF THE DYNAMIC DUO..EVEN CONSULTED ZORN BEFORE GOING FOR THE FREE AGENTS??? I GUESS ONE THING ABOUT HIRING A GUY AS YOUR HEAD COACH..WHO HAD NO EXPERIENCE AT THAT LEVEL...GIVES THE OWNER EVEN MORE BOSSING PRIVILEGES THAN NORMAL.
The 49`ers did this kind of spending...and once they mortgaged themselves for years..the team fell apart..and has not recovered. I see that for this team. They can`t keep spending and re-working play contracts..it all catches up if a few years....101 arithmetic.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | February 28, 2009 9:22 AM |

Really? Danny has been doing this since he got here and he is still doing it. When is it going to add up? If it hasn't yet then I would say they know what they are doing on the money side. Now the talent side, well, they haven't done so well to this point.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

To those of you who post that Dr Hold looked good in Buffalo in 2008, what are you talking about? I live in the Buffalo area and he did NOT look good. The sportswriters and fans are doing cartwheels because he's gone.
Question, who are the luckiest people in the world?
Answer, NFL free agents with average talent because with idiots like the 'Skins front office, one can become an instant multi-millionaire.

In my next life........


Posted by: pjente | February 28, 2009 8:35 AM

Sorry dude, no one is taking your word for anything, Show some stats, quote some sports writers, post pictures of actual cartwheels. Where you really discredit yourself is accusing the Skins FO of doing what your own FO did. Especially when your FO was too stupid to file the correct paperwork in time to get something out of Dockery leaving. You really shouldn't be poking sticks at others' FO's.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

HAYNESWORTH'S "REAL" DEAL IS LIKELY FOUR YEARS, $48 MILLION
Posted by Mike Florio: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:41 PM
Like we've said time and again when it comes to these big-money contracts, the number that gets reported carries a lot of fluff aimed at making the deal look better, presumably to help the agent leverage the transaction into attracting further clients.

In the case of the contract signed on Friday by defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth with the Redskins, the headlines regarding a seven-year, $100 million deal with a maximum value of $115 million sound a lot better than something like, say, four years and $48 million.

But Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that, in reality, the contract is worth $48 million over four years.

In the fifth year of the deal, Haynesworth is due to receive a whopping $29 million in salary and bonuses. And since he'll be 32 when the 2013 season begins, the Redskins likely won't pay those amounts.

Still, $41 million of the $48 million is genuinely guaranteed, which is the true significance of the contract. Moving forward, look for a greater percentage of the actual base value of these contracts to represent guaranteed money.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Whenever politics are discussed on RI, from any idealogical viewpoint, it makes me very nervous for the country. Please stick to football, where everyone only sounds half a tard.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Flound - We pretty much hit the nail on the head yesterday with guessing the #s, eh?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Scamp,

That guy is a moron probably has never even seen a Buffalo game.

They let him go because he did not fit there scheme.

If they were to stupid to get a trade for him, well then that is why they suck every year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

4th,

yeh he will get the 48 but that is it, so people whining about 100mil need to learn how NFL contracts really work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse


+++Do you know Albert Haynesworth will make as much as I made last year when he plays 1 quarter of 1 game.

Posted by: isnadd+++

No but hum a few bars and me and the band will try and fake it.


hilarious.

Posted by: buke | February 28, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

We had Dockery..and let him go...now resigning him as one of the highest O linemen in ther league. The incompetence of D and V never ceases to amaze me.
WE HAVE NOT HEARD ONE WORD FROM THE COACH.
WONDER IF THE DYNAMIC DUO..EVEN CONSULTED ZORN BEFORE GOING FOR THE FREE AGENTS??? I GUESS ONE THING ABOUT HIRING A GUY AS YOUR HEAD COACH..WHO HAD NO EXPERIENCE AT THAT LEVEL...GIVES THE OWNER EVEN MORE BOSSING PRIVILEGES THAN NORMAL.
The 49`ers did this kind of spending...and once they mortgaged themselves for years..the team fell apart..and has not recovered. I see that for this team. They can`t keep spending and re-working play contracts..it all catches up if a few years....101 arithmetic.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | February 28, 2009 9:22 AM |

Have not heard from the coach???? I guess you didn't see the press conference yesterday when the coach was on the mic to introduce AH and said a lot before doing so.....

Posted by: leevi98 | February 28, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

EAGLES ANNOUNCE ACQUISITION OF STACY ANDREWS
Posted by Mike Florio: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:05 AM
The Philadelphia Eagles officially have announced that free-agent tackle Stacy Andrews has joined the team.

Andrews, who spent five years in Cincinnati and played in 2008 under the franchise tag, signed a six-year deal.

Terms have not been disclosed. Though we heard on Friday that the deal averages $7 million per year, it remains to be seen whether the Eagles have protected themselves against the possibility that Andrews' late-season ACL tear will impact his ability to play at a high level.

Our guess was/is that the first-year compensation will be modest, and that a significant option bonus appears at the outset of the 2010 league year. (Though the 30-percent rule could be an issue in this regard, it's our understanding that option bonuses don't fall within the scope of the provision that limits salary growth between a capped year and an uncapped year.)

===========================================

There is the answer at the last sentence.

Option Bonus in the UnCAPed year is the way to go........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 28, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Dockery could have been playing poorly in Buffalo due to being unhappy and unmotivated.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 28, 2009 10:26 AM |

The "Dockery playing poorly in Buffalo" is transparently a bag of wind from Buffalo. If he had been playing poorly, Detroit would never have offered to trade picks to get him and guarantee his salary.

Dock's not an all pro and he was grossly overpaid by Buffalo, but no one has ever thought much about Buffalo's astuteness anyway. Dock played well in Washington and that's where he's going. This is a gift from an inept Buffalo front office, just like Hall was a gift from Oakland.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

My God the idots out there on the blogs!!!!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 28, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Hip Hip Hurray the redskins win the winter title again and finish a resounding 8-8 or 7-9 go Danny,you have the system for winter excitement:)

Posted by: mrpjs1976 | February 28, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

They can`t keep spending and re-working play contracts..it all catches up if a few years....101 arithmetic.

Posted by: blazerguy234 |

You know people have been saying this for going on 9 years now, and cap hell hasn't caught us yet. As much as I can't stand Dan and Vinny, this (spending and reworking) apparently is the one thing they are good at.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 28, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse


Whenever politics are discussed on RI, from any idealogical viewpoint, it makes me very nervous for the country. Please stick to football, where everyone only sounds half a tard.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2009 10:56 AM |

Well put cL...And good description of what most sounded like yesterday!

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 28, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

To all of those who really care, read the Buffalo News online and if you can get the signal, listen to Radio 55, WGR Sports Radio. Let me clear up another thing, I am not a Bills fan, but since I live in this area, their news is my news if I follow sports.

As far as their front office goes, the same people who have beeen applauding the move to cut Dr. Hold have been critcizing the Bills front office for years, including the sports writers, who are unnanimous in their criticism and their evaluation of Dockery. I am not as close to the Bills as they are, so I go on their comments about him.

I am perfectly willing to wait until the end of the end of the season to judge Dr. Hold. If he performs well, then I am wrong. If he doesn't well then.....

My point is this, he was average for the 'Skins and the Bills. What scares the hell out of me is the fact that the guys in the front office have made so many personnel mistakes over the last nine years, I have lost count.

And I will repeat, until Snyder admits he doesn't know talent and brings in someone who does, we're looking at 8-8 seasons , at best.

I am tired of winning the free agaency season, I'd like to see some 11-5 or better seasons and NFC championship games. I don't see it happening with Snyder and the way he continues to run this franchise.

Posted by: pjente | February 28, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Dockery may not be an all pro but he was listed as the third best FA guard by NFL.com.

1 Chris Kemoeatu (35) Pittsburgh Steelers
2 Mike Goff (39) San Diego Chargers
3 Derrick Dockery (50) Buffalo Bills
4 Kendall Simmons (NR) Pittsburgh Steelers
5 Cooper Carlisle (NR) Oakland Raiders
3 Brandon Moore (NR) New York Jets

Posted by: lifelongfan | February 28, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

You know people have been saying this for going on 9 years now, and cap hell hasn't caught us yet.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 28, 2009 11:23 AM

I'm not so sure about this. We're stuck with an overaged offensive line that we can't cut. Portis is giving out, but we can't cut him. That's our cap hell.

Last year we couldn't hire anyone in free agency. This year, we've gotten two big splash guys and maybe we'll get one more. But we really have very little flexibility to restructure the roster. Maybe not cap hell, but it does seem at least like cap purgatory.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 11:29 AM

The Skins FO may not be doing this football thing the right way, but having lots of cap room is not helping teams like the Bucs. We could have won a couple of division titles if we swapped places with TB.

The Skins are definitely in the hole with contracts...I think next year is when they clear the space and show that they have learned from past blunders...

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 28, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

BRUTUS2:

He's in his prime agreed. Most DT's in their prime are middle-aged by NFL standards. He'll be old when he's SHAWN SPRINGS. As a CB SHAWN plays excellently, but just can't stay on the field yet he's only 33. That's NFL old. When is that time for HAYNESWORTH? Maybe next year, maybe in seven more years, but he's got 7 years wear and tear on that magnificant physique of his. He's not young.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 28, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I think next year is when they clear the space and show that they have learned from past blunders...

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 28, 2009 11:35 AM

Curzon -- Long time, no see. Have you been away or was I just not paying attention?

I hope you're right. I don't understand how the uncapped year will work, but in theory it sounds like confession at mass: 50 Hail Marys and full forgiveness of all past sins.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

New job that prevents me from posting during the day (though I am "working" to find a way around that).

If it's as easy as confession then I will say a few of those Hail Marys.

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 28, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

We had Dockery..and let him go...now resigning him as one of the highest O linemen in ther league. The incompetence of D and V never ceases to amaze me.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | February 28, 2009 9:22 AM |

Wrong and wrong.

When we "let" Dock go the first time, he was signing the richest contract for an interior lineman ever. Were we supposed to match that? You can argue that we should have locked him up earlier in his career, but he did not start to blossom until that contract year.

Dock was rated as one of the best interior lineman FAs on the market (top 5). We locked him up for 5 years at $27mill and 8.5 guaranteed. Compare that to what Brandon Moore just got - 5 years at 37.5 w/ $20mill in guarantees.

Apparently Detroit was prepared to give Dock more $$. So I'd say we got a good deal on a solid starter who has been successful in our system, knows our coaches, and considers this team to be "home".

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

If signing Dockery helps ensure that we won't have to see Justin Geisinger in a game ever again, I'm all for it!

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

right on p1funk

Posted by: why-hate | February 28, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I can't see how you can't like the Dockery deal.....RG solved...at reasonable price...by guy we developed....who knows the system...who plays next to his mentor...who Bugel built....who is still young.....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I can't see how you can't like the Dockery deal.....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2009 11:53 AM

Let me splain it to you, Lucy. If you live in Buffalo and your world view is shaped by Buffalo fans, then you hate Dockery and you call him "Dr. Hold." He, alone, was responsible for the pathetic performance of the Buffalo team which is now being blown up again by a management which can't even file papers for a trade.

Winters are too long in Buffalo. Dudes up there all seem to be addled from too much ice skating and Buffalo wings. And, watching the Bills weekly will distort your view of football.

Rest of the world sees this as a gift from Buffalo to Washington.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

From pjente: "What scares the hell out of me is the fact that the guys in the front office have made so many personnel mistakes over the last nine years, I have lost count." The Archuleta/Lloyd/ARE/Carter fiasco is on Gibbs and his henchmen. Apparently Gibbs' guys knew how to coach but they were crap at talent evaluation. There is no reason why Vinny couldn't do whatever a GM is supposed to do. He doesn't have to be a talent evaluation guru himself. He can hire staff to do that. But he needs to have the wherewhithall to hire good staff and listen to them, sometimes over the protestations of the coaching staff. Someone should have warned him about Thomas' maturity, Kelly's knees, Davis' narcolepsy and no sane GM would ever draft a kicker.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 28, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

48 mil for 4 yrs

Posted by: Flounder21

Exactly since anyone with a brain the size of a pea can see the money will not be paid out completely and there's conditions for this. Media reports are to lock in the eyes of the reader and continue inside. Just doing their job I suppose.

As for the ramifications in hearing how's this is received around the league? Well for starters if ANY team had it to give as an offer, they'd have done it too. The NFL is just now catching up to MLB's deals, but one must also remember MLB has a longer schedule and physical contact isn't on the sissy side, meaning risk are just as great over the long haul. So AH's deal is a timely thing, considering we bested a DIVISION RIVAL, A CONFERENCE RIVAL trying to load up for another run at the SB.

On Jason Campbell, for those that wrote, I see a problem he needs to either fix or Zorn's going to have step up face all his players and get them to not be so down, IF he has to make a gut wrenching choice, that will clearly affect his O's psyche for months. I watched JC play at Auburn and he needed Extended series or other events at times to get that ubeaten record. It wasn't a dominant thing and with Cadillac Williams back there, he could ride his coat tails. I don't say this, like a QB doesn't need a RB to be successful, take the pressure off, keep the defense honest.

No way, a QB is an island, but face it. If after three games, with same O from last year, you can't bust a grape for say, a 23-30 pt avg a game with this O, he's toast. This 17 or even lower avg has got to go. And no more ok 2 minutes now we playing ball. Come on, set the pace, control the clock, game and manage, simple as that. Percentage goes up you will most likely win the game, and reduce turnovers, instead of helter skelter CONSTANTLY and timeouts too early and I need more time to learn. NO you need to surrender your contract, if there's no flow - YOU WON'T GO. Name a team with NO FLOW that went into the playoffs and succeeded. Wild Card games are lotteries, we need to get BEYOND that.

Posted by: kurtbw | February 28, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

isnadd:

A-MEN!

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 28, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

From talent_evaluator: "If you live in Buffalo and your world view is shaped by Buffalo fans, then you hate Dockery and you call him "Dr. Hold."" The good Dr. will do better in DC. AH will show him some of the undetectable holding techniques and takedowns that Gurode used to such great effect on him.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 28, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

This signing makes a lot of sense. The guy is a mauling run blocker and an adequate pass blocker. He stays free from injury and he knows the Redskins' blocking schemes. They should have never let him leave. I wouldn't stop here. This is a good first step to getting younger on the o-line. There are going to be some solid guards and centers in the second and third rounds of the draft. If the Skins can trade down again and pick up multiple picks in the lower rounds, they should be able to snag some solid backups on the o-line, plus maybe grab another linebacker.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Coming into the offseason the major issues were Dline, pressures/turnovers, and oline.....we still have all four picks and have addressed Dline, pressures/turnovers, and one of the glaring holes on our Oline. Supposedly we're still looking at Canty, and we have the draft to bolster the oline. I've been as critical as it gets of the FO but its hard to argue with this. You can bring up the past, you can say yeah but all these others haven't worked out, but that's fearful doubt not a legit argument. We have never signed the premier player in the league at his position in his prime, we have never signed a 25 year old to replace a injury prone 34 year old, and Dockery at 28 will be our starter at LG for 5 years. This was a great start and it maybe better still. I can't imagine how they can get Canty still, but if they do, that would be incredible. Sure they spent a lot, but would you rather they not address the needs and sit on their hands and we suck for 2 or 3 years? Not me, my issue last year was another year of ignoring the lines I thought they should have adding to the lines 3 years ago, but it was inexcusable to ignore them last year, however, they are getting to them big time this year and I love it. I have never had a problem with the fact that they spend money, in the past it has been the way they spend money. But now, a good young corner, Haynesworth, Dockery, maybe Canty....what's not to like? If they don't pan out you can't fault them, they tried and they got the best young players available at the positions they needed to.....that is different than the past, and if they get one of the big three tackles at 13, this has been an amazing job.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 28, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

And don't forget that LOUISIANA-LAFAYETTE cat D. BAPTIST. We haven't shaken him out yet. Might do some good in '09. WIL MONTGOMERY might also surprise. And seeing RINEHART on the field would be nice. How the hell did we pick him in the 3rd round? Did the scouts see something that BUGES hasn't, or is the staff coaching that bad? Or is it just kismet? Ouch. We need to pick the RIGHT lineman if we're gonna' improve there.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 28, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Please stop the argumentums ad hominum if you can. Otherwise you can do something that's anotomically impossible to do.

The 'Skins front office under Snyder from 2000 on when he started to meddle in the football operations has been on the minus side. Except for one season, his right hand guy has been Vinny. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. In this decade, they have 1 playoff win and two playoff appearances to show for their efforts. Let's not blame Gibbs for the personnel mistakes. Vinny could have blown the whistle on them, but since he doesn't know talent, he couldn't.

My take is the 'Skins made the playoffs two of the years because of Gibbs and his hall of fame credentials, the talent on the team not withstanding.

They will finish 8-8 in 2009, miss the playoffs and Zorn will be gone. But the owner and Vinny will be be here. Next year at this time, all us fans will be going through this same useless exercise. Some things never change.

Posted by: pjente | February 28, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry
"Whenever politics are discussed on RI, from any idealogical viewpoint, it makes me very nervous for the country. Please stick to football, where everyone only sounds half a tard."


Chris, since you think my football posts are "full tard" I am going to continue talking politics.

I can't wait for the George W. Bush speaking tour and corporate presentations. I hear he is in serious demand......IRAQ!

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Next year at this time, all us fans will be going through this same useless exercise. Some things never change.


Posted by: pjente | February 28, 2009 12:58 PM |
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If you feel that way about it, why bother?

Find something else to do with yourself on Sundays in the fall.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 28, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

The Skins should use the 13th pick if a quality OT or SLB is available. If not, they continue to have a viable option for trading back and selecting two of the best players from a draft that is heavy in their primary positions of need: RT, RG, OC, or LB. They are in excellent position for this draft!

The Skins should use the 13th pick if either Oher or Orakpo is available... Otherwise, they should attempt to trade #13 back for a lower 1st (#22) and 2nd round pick (#54). Then use the new picks to select two from: OG Robinson, G/C Mack, SLB Crushing, RT Meredith, or LB Matthews.

Posted by: siris | February 28, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"Whenever politics are discussed on RI, from any idealogical viewpoint, it makes me very nervous for the country. Please stick to football, where everyone only sounds half a tard.--Posted by: chrislarry"
"Chris, since you think my football posts are "full tard" I am going to continue talking politics...I can't wait for the George W. Bush speaking tour and corporate presentations. I hear he is in serious demand......IRAQ!Posted by: isnadd "

I don't know about the relative tard quotient, but political arguments are off-topic for this board -- about like discussing Israel-Palestine or the latest Paris fashion shows. There are other places to go for that sort of bloviating.

This section should be reserved for assorted idiotic notions about the Redskins and pro football...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

This section should be reserved for assorted idiotic notions about the Redskins and pro football...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2009 1:15 PM

Okay, but how about when the Redskins cheerleaders go to Iraq to entertain the boys in uniform? Or when President Obama goes to a Wiz game?

Won't be much longer before we see him in Dan Snyder's box -- probably they'll change the NFL schedule to put Chicago against the 'Skins on opening night. Stevie Wonder will do the halftime show.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The Skins still have to address deficiencies in the following areas:

* Special Teams Specialists (P, K (Suisham?) PR, Blockers (Campbell?), Gunners (Trash?))
* Backup DTs (Golston/Montgomery/Alexander)
* Starting and Backup SLB (Taylor/UFA/Draft Pick)
* Starting and Backup DEs (Taylor/UFA/Buzzbee/Jackson/Wilson)
* Backup RG (Draft pick/UFA/Alexander?)
* Starting/Backup RT, (Heyer/Jansen/draft pick)
* Backup C/G
* Fifth S (Green/Doughty) or CB (Tryon/Draft Pick)?

Posted by: siris | February 28, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

pjente,

Thats right Gibbs has no blame in the personnel he was only the one in charge, he picked the players.

But you keep riding his d!ck, and blame Cerrato for those mistakes makes alot of sense to me.

Dude you are like Cork, all you say is how bad they have been at picking players.

They have had players that have worked out and players who haven't, but atleast they will take the chance and spend some money.

Maybe you should root for teams that spend no money, because that would make you happier it looks like.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

CASSEL IS A CHIEF
Posted by Mike Florio: Saturday, February 28, 2009 12:56 PM
Wow.

Less than a week ago, I opined at SportingNews.com that the Chiefs and the Patriots wouldn't be able to work out a trade for quarterback Matt Cassel because each side would be overly concerned about the perception that the other got the better side of the bargain.

So much for that.

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the deal is done -- Cassel has been traded from the Patriots to the Chiefs.

The terms are not yet known.

It's easy to assume that the Chiefs gave up the No. 3 overall pick in the draft, but the Pats aren't the kind of team that would want to pay the kind of huge-money contract that the third overall slot commands.

That said, the Patriots could try to trade down from No. 3, continuing their practice of stockpiling draft picks and getting them at lower slots and thus cheaper contracts.

The move also means that the Patriots are confident that starter Tom Brady will be available for 2009. Or that 2008 third-rounder Kevin O'Connell (or O'Donnell, can't ever get it straight and too lazy to look it up) is ready to go in the event that Brady can't.

Once the trade goes through, the Pats will immediately clear $14.65 million from their 2009 cap space. Per Schefter, the trade is occurring without a new deal, which means that the Chiefs will have Cassel under contract for only one year at $14.65 million until a new deal is reached.

In many cases of this nature, the team trading a franchise player works out a new contract with a lower cap number before trading his rights. But since the Chiefs have more than enough room to carry Cassel's eight-figure one-year pay, there's no need to extend the deal before the trade goes through.

It also remains to be seen whether the Chiefs have protected themselves against Cassel declining to sign a long-term deal with trade terms that tie the final compensation to whether the Chiefs extend his contract.

Then again, Cassel and G.M. Scott Pioli likely will forge an acceptable middle ground; Pioli found Cassel in the seventh round of the 2005 draft, and Cassel returned the favor by making Pioli look like even more of a genius when Cassel finally was called upon to play.

But the best news is that I've already locked up a prominent presence in Gregg Easterbrook's "Bad Predictions Review" for 2009 with this one: "So, in reality, Cassel has a better chance of becoming the starter at USC than he does in Kansas City."

[Editor's note: Eating humble pie is a lot easier to do after going forty hours with only three 20-minute Kramer catnaps as all hell was breaking loose at PFT headquarters.]

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Canty is still not signed, maybe we can still grab him looks like no one is going to pay the contract he was looking for.

I hope they can sign one more O-Linemen maybe that RT from Seattle.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Pioli is dam genius, he has to be the best GM in the league.

Or you could say the Pats didn't want a first rounbd contract, so they took a 2nd but I would have made them add a 3rd or 4th as well.

SECOND-ROUND PICK FOR CASSEL
Posted by Mike Florio: Saturday, February 28, 2009 1:34 PM
I previously was convinced that the Patriots wouldn't be able to work out a trade sending quarterback Matt Cassel to the Chiefs because I believed that new Chiefs G.M. Scott Pioli and his former colleagues in New England feared the perception that one side got snookered.

There was no such fear, but it won't change the perception that one side got snookered.

Peter King of SI.com (who also does some work for NBC, and pretty much every other media company on the planet) reports that the Chiefs gave up only a second-round draft pick for Cassel.

Wow.

A second-round pick, for a guy who merited a $14.65 million, one-year contract based on his play in 2008.

Let's consider that for a second. Daunte Culpepper with blown-out knee was traded for a second-round pick. A.J. Feeley was traded for a second-round pick.

So, with all due apologies to the Patriots, the current score is Pioli 1, Pats 0.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

No fault by Bills on Dock

Here's the clarification on the potential trade of Derrick Dockery to Detroit that never came down.

The Bills planned to release Dockery on Thursday. About two hours before the 4 p.m. deadline to make cuts, the Bills heard from Detroit, which was interested in acquiring Dockery. Talks ensued. Dockery was due a roster bonus at 12:01 a.m. Friday of $1.75 million.

If the Bills were going to make a trade, Dockery would have to agree to push back the bonus and he would have to get a physical in Detroit and agree to the deal before it could be official. So the Bills would have to file paperwork to push back the roster bonus to the fifth day of the league year. That paperwork would have to be filed by 4 p.m. Talks between the Bills and Lions ensued and there was no deal as of 3:30 p.m. The Bills might have been able to acquire Jon Kitna, a league source reports, but the Bills already had targeted Ryan Fitzpatrick of the Bengals and wanted him instead.

By the time the Bills and Lions finally came to an agreement on what they would deal in return for Dockery - it was a seventh-round pick in 2010 - it was within minutes of the 4 p.m. deadline, and the Bills determined that there was no way they could get all the paperwork required done in time to make it happen. The Bills filed the paperwork to release Dockery. They never even filed any of the paperwork required to push the bonus back five days. Dockery was free to pursue free agency, which he did.

---Mark Gaughan
Buffalo News

Posted by: aaargh | February 28, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

WOWWWWW

Chiefs land Cassel for a second round pick!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: TDawg1 | February 28, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Question-- can Oher or Andre Smith play any guard? I wouldn't mind taking one of them at 13 for interior work, then pop them outside once Samuels retires.

Posted by: TDawg1 | February 28, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Question-- can Oher or Andre Smith play any guard? I wouldn't mind taking one of them at 13 for interior work, then pop them outside once Samuels retires.

Posted by: TDawg1 | February 28, 2009 1:53 PM |

I think either one of them will play RT, who would you replace at Guard, Dockery is now the LG, Thomas is the RG and I think he will play better with a capable RT by him.

Dockery was hurt last year hopefully he comes back stronger or you could try Rinehart at RG.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I keep posting because I have nothing better to do today.

To all, what is the 'Skins record beginning with 2000. Do the wins exceed the losses? That's the final proof.

Games are won on coaching and talent. Given the coaching staff and level of talent, they will finish 8-8, at best. Nothing has changed over the past 9/10 seasons.

What was Vinny doing when Gibbs was in control? Bringing in the coffee and burgers while drawing a salary which my guess was in the hundreds of thousands? Didn't he have a title, like head of scouting or something like that?

When the 'Skins make the playoffs consistently with at least 11 wins and get to a few NFC championship games, I will admit I am wrong, but until then, I will keep posting as I have been these 9/10 seasons.

Please don't post the only way things can get better is to keep trying. That only that works is if a person admits the way he is doing things is not working.

The problem with the 'Skins front office is not the fact that they shoot themselves in the foot, it's the fact that they reload and do it all over again.

Posted by: pjente | February 28, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I think either one of them will play RT, who would you replace at Guard, Dockery is now the LG, Thomas is the RG and I think he will play better with a capable RT by him.

Dockery was hurt last year hopefully he comes back stronger or you could try Rinehart at RG.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse


I suppose you're right if you think Thomas has another good year or two left in the tank. I think we need to draft another OG in the first 3 rounds to develop to take over for him if Rinehart doesn't pan out. I like the idea of trading our 2010 1st rounder for Detroit's #33.

1st round - Michael Oher, RT
2nd round - Alex Mack or Max Unger, C/G
3rd round - best available OLB
5th round - best available OLB
6th round - Cedric Dockery, OG

Posted by: TDawg1 | February 28, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey pjente,

These were the record for the 7 season before Snyder got the team, so look to me like the team had fallen badly before he cam in.

Constantly crying about something will not change it, so get on board or root for another team.

And unless you are a GM for one of the teams or a scout, I will trust Cerrato more then you.

I would like to know what your plan would have been for this off season, spell it out don't just criticize let me know what you would have done.

1998 6 10 0 4th
1997 8 7 1 2nd
1996 9 7 0 3rd
1995 6 10 0 3rd
1994 3 13 0 5th
1993 4 12 0 5th
1992 9 7 0 3rd

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

tdawg,

I agree 100% on drafting a guard in the draft, the problem with trading back is you need the other team, so just wanting to do it doesn't work.

I think if Oher or Smith are there at 13 we have to take one of them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

And unless you are a GM for one of the teams or a scout, I will trust Cerrato more then you.

Posted by: Flounder21

What, pray tell, has given you reason to trust Vinny? Especially after the 2008 draft

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

pioloi is a genius....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth: The former Tennessee Vol spent the first five seasons of his NFL career operating as an overweight underachiever, and his stomping on the head of Dallas Cowboys center Andre Gurode -- an act that resulted in Haynesworth's serving a five-game suspension -- is one of the most heinous sights you'll ever see on a football field. Haynesworth's injury history also is a noteworthy red flag. He hasn't played a full campaign during his seven seasons in the league and that can be an ominous sign for a player who turns 28 in June.

Also:Traffic accident involving Haynesworth led to hip replacement surgery for young man: www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=66058

$100 million?

Posted by: aaargh | February 28, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

What, pray tell, has given you reason to trust Vinny? Especially after the 2008 draft

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 2:14 PM |

Well because I still think the recievers will be very good, and they are adressing the defense and offensive lines this year.

Plus Vinny knows way more then any of us on this blog, who pretend we could be NFL GM's

Plus I think Rinehart will be a starter in this league if not this year next year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Did Demetric sign somewhere? His name is no longer on the redskins.com roster. AND Haynesworth is sporting '92.'

April will be interesting....

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 28, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Also:Traffic accident involving Haynesworth led to hip replacement surgery for young man: www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=66058

$100 million?

Posted by: aaargh | February 28, 2009 2:21 PM |

Traffic accident that is relevant, because no body has ever been in one of those.

Leonard Little killed a women in a car crash, he played very well for alot of years after that.

Can you read it was explained earlier that he will never see 100mil, he will get half of that at the most.

Here are his stats for the years you say he was fat and out of shape.

YEAR TEAM G TOT SOLO AST PD SACK FF REC INT YDS TD
2002 TEN 16 30 21 9 3 1.0 0 0 0 0 0
2003 TEN 12 32 21 11 4 2.5 0 0 0 0 0
2004 TEN 10 36 25 11 2 1.0 2 0 0 0 0
2005 TEN 14 52 36 16 1 3.0 1 0 0 0 0
2006 TEN 11 30 23 7 2 2.0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 TEN 13 40 32 8 4 6.0 0 0 0 0 0
2008 TEN 14 51 41 10 2 8.5 3 0 0 0 0
Career 90 271 199 72 18 24.0 6 0 0 0 0

He has miised a few games, name me the DT that played in every game over the same time period.

He has 24 sacks in 7 season as a DT, name me one DT over the same amount of time that has that many.

So he stepped on a punk a$$ Cowgirls face, he was probably talking a bunch of sh!t like all the rest of the Cowgirls do.

I will take on the field stuff over off the field stuff any day, Ray Lewis or one of his boys killed someone but he is beloved around the league. If the Cowgilrs had signed AH everyone would have been saying how smart it was.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Never mind. I see that Evans is on the Roster and he also sports number 92.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 28, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"Plus Vinny knows way more then any of us on this blog, who pretend we could be NFL GM's"

flound maybe/probably but it is his ability/knowledge base against his peers that worries me. Take away snyder's money and what would you have?

i love the skins, and hope they prove smart money wrong but i wont spend any time defending vinny or claiming he is exceptional at his job.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Plus I think Rinehart will be a starter in this league if not this year next year.

Posted by: Flounder21

The guy doesn't play 1 play all year long and you think he's a starter soon enough. Still drunk form last night, ehhh?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

GREAT MOVE!

No one knows how this is going to turn out......

leave Vinny and Dan alone......

at least there are trying to bring in some players....

all of the experts say that this guy is the best defensive guy in football, period!......

if this guy plays like he is capable of playing, our defense will be more aggressive and cause more turnovers.....

now we have D. Hall also with D. Dockery......

all we have to do is sign the other O-Lineman from seattle, and pick up a linebacker or two......

BUT, our number one priority is to DRAFT PERCY HARVIN!........

he is a triple threat on the field, running back, wide receiver, and return man....

he is awesome!......just look at his tape from 3 years at florida.....

he is a game changer on offense like Haynesworth is on defense!

Posted by: docdwb | February 28, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

talentevaluator: "Okay, but how about when the Redskins cheerleaders go to Iraq to entertain the boys in uniform? Or when President Obama goes to a Wiz game?"

Both of those are sufficiently idiotic to qualify as topics for this board.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: buke | February 28, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Another note on AH,Tennesses's rushing defense has been ranked in the top 5,4out of the 7 years he has been there.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

However just to make certain, I suggest you tie your comments on the cheerleader trip to some clause in Derrick Dockery's contract or the latest rankings of reserve free agent backup hopeful tackle candidates at can'tthinkgaboutanythingbutfootballimustbelosingmymind.com.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

The guy doesn't play 1 play all year long and you think he's a starter soon enough. Still drunk form last night, ehhh?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 2:36 PM |

How many other players didn't play there first year, and then became very good players.

Maybe that has never happened before let me see, Carson Palmer didn't play his
year, the QB in San Diego didn't play his first year.

I'm sure the NFL is littered with starters who didn't play there first year, but you keep bringing those facts.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Plus I think Rinehart will be a starter in this league if not this year next year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I agree about Rhinehart and I also think it's way too early to give up on Davis, Kelly, and Thomas. One year does not a career make. Chris Carter had a rough time adjusting to the NFL and turned out just fine. I think we should try to be patient and see what a full offseason does for the kids.

Posted by: buke | February 28, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Will the Redskins have to cut anybody to get under the salary cap with all these signings?

Posted by: lummysdad | February 28, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Evans became an unrestricted free agent Friday and is no longer on the team.

The Skins are trying to replace him with Canty...

Evans is a solid backup/jouneyman DE, however he is not worth starter's money. That said -- the Skins still need to replace him -- although worst case; it's an excellent opportunity for Buzzbee or Jackson to become a viable backup DE this year...

Posted by: siris | February 28, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain the cap situation like I'm a 4 year old please. How the hell can the skins afford these moves? How much restructuring can Vinny & co. do? I'm lost but a little excited nonetheless

Posted by: overzealous08 | February 27, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Because of the CBA there is an uncapped salary year in 2010. These restructurings were designed to put the biggest penalties in 2010 so if we eat them then it doesn't hurt us. These contracts we signed AH, Dock and Hall to all have a monster chunk of the base salary due in 2010 in the uncapped year so that the other years are all smaller. For instance. AH is only due $4 mil this year and something like $20 mil next year when it is uncapped. This way his base salary plus bonus in the years after is much more manageable. Dock is due $27 mil total, but something like $10 mil in the uncapped year, and then whatever the bonus is spread out with the remainder of the salary so he's due more like $4 mil per year in normal years.

Posted by: dodo1939 | February 27, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

All true and very well done. Danny better hope that, by some miracle, a new CBA isn't reached before then. I know it almost certainly won't happen, but the uncapped year was put in to motivate the owners to get something done before then.

Posted by: virtueandvice | February 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure the NFL is littered with starters who didn't play there first year, but you keep bringing those facts.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I read alot of posts about wanting the youth movement but I don't see the level of patience needed to let the guys develop. You just simply cant evaluate last years draft yet. Aside from the Durant Brooks debacle we just don't know yet. Give it time kids...or i will turn this car around.

Posted by: buke | February 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Will the Redskins have to cut anybody to get under the salary cap with all these signings?

Posted by: lummysdad | February 28, 2009 2:50 PM |

No they are currently under the cap, and the draft money has already been accounted for.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

QUOTE
Sat, 13 May 2006 08:29:21 -0700
The Associated Press reports Tennessee Titans DL Albert Haynesworth has been charged with reckless endangerment after being accused of trying to run a car off the highway. Smith County sheriff Johnny Bane said James J. Bond filed a police reports and a warrant was issued for Haynesworth’s arrest. Bond told police that Haynesworth swerved, sped and attempted to pass a car driven by Bond’s mother-in-law on the shoulder of Interstate 40 on May 7. Bane added, “The affidavants feared for their lives and felt they were in danger, as well as other drivers around them.” Haynesworth’s attorney told police the player would surrender on the charges soon and he faces a $1,000 bail.

QUOTE
Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:57:52 -0700
The Associated Press reports Tennessee Titans DT Albert Haynesworth will have a grand jury consider a speeding ticket he received after being clocked traveling more than 100 mph in a 70-mph zone. Williamson County (Tenn.) General Session Judge Denise Andre agreed Wednesday, July 23, to let a grand jury hear the testimony involving the ticket Haynesworth received March 4.

nashvillecitypaper.com
Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:00 am
A December traffic accident involving Tennessee Titans star Albert Haynesworth led to the 25-year-old driver of the other vehicle having hip replacement surgery, while also potentially violating the defensive tackle’s probation set just four days before the crash took place.

The Dec. 13 wreck took place on I-65 in Williamson County, where the district attorney is looking into whether or not Haynesworth violated his probation by not reporting the accident to his probation officer.

According to a witness to the accident quoted in a police report, Haynesworth was driving his 2008 Ferrari 599GTB at high speeds on the interstate. The driver of the other car, 25-year-old Corey Dewan Edmondson of Antioch, made a defensive maneuver to avoid Haynesworth and eventually crashed his Grand Marquis into the median.

As a result of the accident, Edmondson told The City Paper he had to have hip replacement surgery. Edmondson also hired an attorney in response to the incident.

Haynesworth was on probation for a March incident in which he was driving 103 in a 70 mile per hour zone. He was placed on probation as part of a diversionary agreement with the Williamson County District Attorney’s office just four days prior to the wreck involving Edmondson.

Posted by: aaargh | February 28, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I agree about Rhinehart and I also think it's way too early to give up on Davis, Kelly, and Thomas. One year does not a career make. Chris Carter had a rough time adjusting to the NFL and turned out just fine. I think we should try to be patient and see what a full offseason does for the kids.

Posted by: buke | February 28, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, after he quit drinking and snorting coke.

Posted by: virtueandvice | February 28, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Buke,

Ther was this other WR a while ago who had a terrible first year, he dropped more passes then he caught.

He then went on to have a pretty good career his name was Jerry Rice.

I also think Durant Brooks will be a good punter in the next couple of years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

aargh,

Who gives a sh!t not every one in the NFL is a saint. Does any of that BS you are posting effect how the guy plays on the field.

Was he convicted for any of that BS, the anwser is no.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I suspect Rinehart will survive his redshirt season and become (at the very least) a reliable backup G and special teams blocker. Bugel was just trying to motivate him (for next year) with those season ending comments...

Although he needs to be more versatile to earn playing time. For instance, I'm not certain if Rinehart played on any special team units and as a result he was inactive when other OL (e.g. Geisinger and Fabini) were active.

Posted by: siris | February 28, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

+++Sure thing Nate. I think they are just the first team to figure it out, other teams have caught on after these contracts though. Should get interesting now.

Posted by: dodo1939+++

Serious question: (Presented in my usual flippant, way, but serious.)

What’s to stop the other Evil Owners from getting together, closing the uncapped loophole, and screwing Danny Boy like Ned Beatty in “Deliverance”?

Posted by: TheCork | February 28, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Lets list some other players in the NFL with checkered past's.

Ray Lewis
TO
Pacman
Half of the Bengals roster
Tank Johnson
Dexter Manley
Leonard Little Killed someone drunk driving.
Ray Carouth had girlfriend killed.

Should I go on all major sports have guys with checkered past's, they are human as well.

I'm sure you are a devout Chrisitian who has never made a mistake.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I expect breakout year from Malcolm Kelly.

And yeah, I know that wouldn't take much, LOL

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe


You spelled "breakdown" wrong.

Posted by: TheCork | February 28, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

What’s to stop the other Evil Owners from getting together, closing the uncapped loophole, and screwing Danny Boy like Ned Beatty in “Deliverance”?

Posted by: TheCork | February 28, 2009 3:03 PM |

I am sure they have covered themselves in case there is a cap.

The players are the ones that need to get there act together, and they don't want a cap so why should they rush.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Flounder,

I was going to mention Jerry but looking at his stats I saw that he had 49 receptions in his first year which isn't quite comprable to Thomas or Kelly.

Kind of interesting to note the following WR/TE's reception totals their rookie seasons.

Antonio Gates-24
Terrell Owens-35
Herman Moore-15(remember he had 3 straight years of over 100 grabs)
Tony Gonzalez-33
Donald Driver-3
T.J. Houshmandzadeh-21

My point is there've been some pretty productive guys who have fourished after they're rookie season. Let's wait and see...

Posted by: buke | February 28, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Serious question: (Presented in my usual flippant, way, but serious.)

What’s to stop the other Evil Owners from getting together, closing the uncapped loophole, and screwing Danny Boy like Ned Beatty in “Deliverance”?

Posted by: TheCork | February 28, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

They can't close the loophole. As I said in an earlier post, it was put into the last CBA on purpose to motivate the owners to get a new CBA done before 2010. The only way to close it is for the owners/players union to agree to a new CBA. But it's not going to happen because once the players get a taste of no cap, they are never going to go back. That's why you can expect a strike in 2011.

Posted by: virtueandvice | February 28, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

You spelled "breakdown" wrong.

Posted by: TheCork | February 28, 2009 3:05 PM |

Cork it is nice to see you back hating, after your dumb comment yesterday that Danny signed Stubblefield.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

+++Maybe this time is different? I'd love to see Snyder stick to the haters, the Jasnos, Don Bankses, and Corks, but so far the haters have been right and the owner's been wrong.+++T_E

You are correct, I'd like to thank my agent, the academy and all the little people...

+++The haters come around and ruin what should be a great February-March-April Super Bowl run for us, where money truly can buy success: "Everyone knows you can only build a team through the draft, slowly and patiently, blah blah blah, deep bench, etc."++++


And YOU are right, I feel so freaking guilty, if I didn't live in a basement walkup, I'd jump out my window. Hey, wait a minute, I live on a hill overlooking a pool and the San Fernando Valley, where it's sunny and 80 today... I'll just become vapid and shallow like the rest of Southern California, and not NEED to commit suicide.

And don't respond with "too late" after "become vapid and shallow," because um, I had a retort here but I'm too vapid and shallow to remember it.

+++That gets so tedious, especially coming from such pud heads+++

Who are you to call us "pud heads?" YOU'RE the Pud head, you Pud Head.

"Pud Head." That's actually fun to say out loud, like "Hickery Dickery Dockery" which is why I'm so happy Derrick is back!

Posted by: TheCork | February 28, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

And our FO's overspends this guy can barley play anymore and is 35 and he gets this contract.

FIVE YEARS, $17 MILLION FOR DAWKINS
Posted by Mike Florio: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:51 PM
Who said free agency isn't for old guys?

Veteran safety Brian Dawkins, a 13-year veteran who's 35 years old, has gotten a five-year, $17 million deal in Denver, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network. The deal includes $7.2 million in guaranteed money.

Per Schefter the deal would be worth as much as $27 million. It also could be voided by the team to a two-year, $9 million package.

Dawkins is one of several free agents whom the Broncos have added in less than 40 hours of free agency.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Pioli is a "genius?"

I can't wait to see Matt Cassell take snaps in KC.

He's going to be the next Bill Kenney.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 28, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

You spelled "breakdown" wrong.

Posted by: TheCork | February 28, 2009 3:05 PM |

Cork it is nice to see you back hating, after your dumb comment yesterday that Danny signed Stubblefield.

Posted by: Flounder21

Oh come on Flounder, stop with the unpleasant names.--you're the guy screen named after a lazy fish with both eyes on the same side of its head, spending its life surrounder by Whale Shiite . bYou know as well as I do that I put the occasional dumb comments in here so you won't feel so alone...

So STOP referring to us "intelligent purveyors of critical advice" as "haters," or we'll start referring to folks like you by YOUR unpopular, yet appropriate term, the one that rhymes with "Bed Shin Loner's Block Tucker."

And what diff does it make? Does Danny have to make the same mistake himself to know it was wrong? What next, Obama invades Iraq?

I loves you humorless types. Where else would I get my straight lines?

Posted by: TheCork | February 28, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Gotta go see you fools later.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

while I'm shocked that the Patriots only got a second for Cassel, at the same time, I think Bill was smart enough to know that last year was about as shocking as it gets that Cassel was successful, that he had only played one year in like the last 10 years, and that he was playing in a great system with a great OC and a good line throwing to some great receivers so he might not be all that special and getting something for him was better than letting him walk but pushing too hard for high picks would mean he was paying a guy 15 mil to ride the bench.....but I at least thought they'd get a 1.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 28, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

Stop crying, the only comments you post here are the same tired the FO's sucks crap everday.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

+++TDawg1: ...from this report it sounds like Chad Rinehart could work his way into the starting RG position if he has a great offseason (not like the bust Jasno has been making him out to be):+++

Amen!! That Idit Jasno should have seen through the Redskins clever ruse of not playing Rinehart, even on special teams. as mere misdirection.

Posted by: TheCork | February 28, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Well, one of my favorite time killers is fly fishing and it allows me to get to some pretty remote places without having to worry about beating up a new car...

Posted by: scampbell1975

Me too. Only I reach remote places playing golf.

Posted by: TheCork | February 28, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

13th pick - UVa guy or the Baylor guy. if we cant land one of them take FSU DE.

3rd round pick UConn's Betty OL or the LB from Georgia

4th round if were lucky the guard from Auburn

6th round the big DT from kentucky

7th round DE from Hawaii

Posted by: toons123 | February 28, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Best part about McShay's updated mock, is Orakpo going to the Browns before we pick....we need OT and this draft has 4 premier prospects, if we do anything but take one of them at 13 we made a mistake.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 28, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

+++I think everyone needs to stop bashing these decisions until we see them play! +++Rachel

Rachel, you are obviously unaware of how thing work here.

Posted by: TheCork | February 28, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

13th pick - UVa guy or the Baylor guy. if we cant land one of them take FSU DE.

3rd round pick UConn's Betty OL or the LB from Georgia

4th round if were lucky the guard from Auburn

6th round the big DT from kentucky

7th round DE from Hawaii

Posted by: toons123 | February 28, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

that's all exciting except that we only have a 1, 3, 5, and 6.

2nd gone for JT
4 gone for Kendall
7 gone for James.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 28, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Stop crying, the only comments you post here are the same tired the FO's sucks crap everday.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 3:27 PM

That's the beauty of it, Flounder. The comments are exactly the same, every day, except that they're never tired. Dude always finds a fresh new way to make the same point. Ignore the substance, admire the style.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

5th next year for JT to complete that trade

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 28, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

texas DE has short arms. that scares me for the 13th pick. we need a RT

Posted by: toons123 | February 28, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I have been a Redskins fan for my entire life. It is getting so old hearing all of the haters saying I hate Snyder because he spends so much money. I agree that the Redskins have had many bad signings but Snyder was always trying to make the team better. To all the "so called Redskin fans" that doesn't like Snyder, please cheer for another team. There are plenty of teams that the owners will not spend money and build through the draft and not sign free agents. It is sickening to hear all of the complaining because our owner is willing to spend money to try and bring another championship here. Snyder is using his money for all of the free agent signings. He could just leave our 8-8 team as it is and keep his money.

I am gald to be a Redskin fam and I appreciate our management trying to give us a championship.

Posted by: cspwoods3 | February 28, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, what in heaven's name do the seven seasons before Snyder took over have to do with the seasons he has owned the team. Let me answer for you, nothing.

As for my off season plan if I owned the team, get rid of Cerrato and bring in a real NFL GM. Why, because like everybody else on this blog, I don't know anything about how to run a pro football franchise.

I'm just a fan having fun posting "what ifs"

Posted by: pjente | February 28, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

++++ oh and dont come at me with it was because of the republicans, cause it all started in the mid 90's with deregulation...Clinton

Posted by: Zeebs +++

Oh yeah, that Ronnie Reagan, he HATED deregulation!!!

Comments like yours is why politics should be kept off this board. Your time would be better spent putting food on your family with genius boy Bush...

Posted by: TheCork | February 28, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor = B+

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Skins win offseason again?

I think they should go OT with pick 13. Oher not the Smith kid from Alabama. If an OT isn't there they still have a hole at SLB. Maybe that Cushing kid from USC? Although Orakpo would be tempting also.

Posted by: skinswest | February 28, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Clinton...I think the expression is "scoreboard."

Perhaps if Bush and Cheney hadn't manufactured a war in Iraq that 600 billion we've spent so far which will be over 1 trillion before we're done could have been used here at home to create some...oh, I don't know...jobs!

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, this board wouldn't be nearly as fun if everyone posted while sober. Thanks for the entertaining analysis

After all, what sober person would predict Reinhart as a starter based on having NEVER seen him play 1 snap in a meaningful game. Or say Jerry Rice had a "terrible" first year when he was friggin rookie of the year!!!

Cheers

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

isnadd, Did you formerly post under the screen name myrtlebeachmike?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

It's official. isnadd is a repetitive jackass.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 28, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor = B+

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor = B+ware muthafu**a

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 28, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Brian Dawkins was defensive player of the month in December and made the pro bowl again. 2 years for 9 million isn't a bad contract. We've had deals that trump that easily if that is considered stupid.

At this point I am just hoping that 2 out of the 4 higher draft picks from last year pan out. I am not expecting that Kelly, Thomas, Davis and Rinehart are all gonna be starters or even role players.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 28, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"The comments are exactly the same, every day, except that they're never tired. Dude always finds a fresh new way to make the same point."

This statement covers 92.5% of all RI posters...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

texas DE has short arms. that scares me for the 13th pick. we need a RT

Posted by: toons123 | February 28, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Dorf on football?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 28, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Skins win offseason again?

Posted by: skinswest | February 28, 2009 3:51 PM

It's a long way from over and too early to declare victory. Skins were quick out of the blocks, but off season's a marathon, not a sprint. Also, off season includes the draft where the 'Skins usually flub it up big time.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Since we are banking on no cap in 2010, lets finish this for once.

Draft the best available OT at #13.

SIGN CANTY!!! We do not currently have a left D End. He will be a beast at left D End. Cut Jason Taylor if we have to. He is going to be a novelty at best next year, and he already showed he can't play left D End or Linebacker in a 4 3 defense.

Also, whoever ranked Laron higher than S. Taylor is an idiot. Laron is aveage. Taylor was not only the best safety in the league, but one of the best players in the league.

Lastly, a fact: We drafted Carlos Rogers over Demarcus Ware and Shawn Merriman.

We also drafted Laron Landry over Adrian Peterson. Say no more...

Keep signing. Don't let the Giants get Canty. If Danny's willing to pay, I'm willing to watch.

Hail no salery cap, it's the only hope for our front office to put a winning team on the field.

(Would have been nice to have Matt Cassell for our quarterback for a second round draft pick. Instead we have a washed up tweener who doesn't fit the 4 3.

The next time Jason Campbell hits a person in stride on a deep ball will be the first.)

Posted by: Skin1 | February 28, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"Skins win offseason again"

now if we could just figure out those pesky games...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

if they can possibly find a way to sign Canty, this would be the best offseason ever, draft RT at 13, speed back in the 3rd, two linebackers late and we're good to go!!!! If it had just been Hall and Hayneworth, it had been ok but still not good cause they ignored the interior of the Oline, we had to find a real answer at LG not Kendal and a bunch of junk, well they did...

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Did I call it or what? I made the longshot prediction that Taylor would wind up with the Pats. I was 100% right, if you just substitute the first name 'Jason' with 'Fred'.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

WE HAVE NOT HEARD ONE WORD FROM THE COACH.
WONDER IF THE DYNAMIC DUO..EVEN CONSULTED ZORN BEFORE GOING FOR THE FREE AGENTS??? I GUESS ONE THING ABOUT HIRING A GUY AS YOUR HEAD COACH..WHO HAD NO EXPERIENCE AT THAT LEVEL...GIVES THE OWNER EVEN MORE BOSSING PRIVILEGES THAN NORMAL.
The 49`ers did this kind of spending...and once they mortgaged themselves for years..the team fell apart..and has not recovered. I see that for this team. They can`t keep spending and re-working play contracts..it all catches up if a few years....101 arithmetic.

Posted by: blazerguy234 |

Please know your facts before you post! Zorn introduced Haynesworth at his presser and even described how they targeted him...said they were looking at tape and went back to Haynesworth time and time again because he was so impressive and what the Skins need. Zorn also said he was a part of the "all-nighter" at the beginning of free agency.

Blache was also interviewed after the presser and seemed thrilled to have Haynesworth (and Hall).

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 28, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

SIGN CANTY!!!!!!! the D line will be incomplete with out him.

Draft best OT at #13

Also should pick up DJ Hackett for cheap. Time for Thrash to move on. Hackett knows Zorns system, and would probably end up being the second best WR on the team.

O Line or LB with third round pick

Posted by: Skin1 | February 28, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Hometown WaPo:

Mike Wise - "Impulse buys. Record-setting spending. Not a blueprint for constructing a team as much as a state of mind, where the patience to rebuild has no shot against the ongoing fantasy to reload."

Michael Wilbon - "The recession may apply to little people, but nothing economic was going to keep Daniel Snyder from throwing tens of millions at Albert Haynesworth in that excessive, over-the-top manner that has become Snyder's signature as an owner."

Skins hating ESPN:

Jeffri Chadiha - "The Redskins basically did what they had to do to improve a team that desperately needed defensive line help. And right now the smart money says that Haynesworth is more than ready to give that franchise ample return on its investment."

Seth Wickersham - "Excluding Peyton Manning, nobody made his teammates better last year than Albert Haynesworth. He constantly disrupted opponents' offensive lines, making plays that never showed up on the stat sheet. Consider last year's win over the Vikings, when Albert drew three blockers, allowing DT Tony Brown to stunt into Gus Frerotte's grill, forcing an interception."

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 28, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Anton,

Nice work putting those quotes together. If anyone doubts there's a war between the Post and the Skins, that might settle it. As between local print media and an NFL franchise, I'm betting on the NFL.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"Skins win offseason again"

now if we could just figure out those pesky games...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 28, 2009 4:17 PM |

Damn regular season

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't we draft a Left Tackle? That's the hardest position on the OL, and we could move Samuels to the right side more easily....

My fear is Samuels is starting to show some wear and tear and if we don't have a left tackle, we don't have an offensive line.

Thoughts?

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"(Would have been nice to have Matt Cassell for our quarterback for a second round draft pick. Instead we have a washed up tweener who doesn't fit the 4-3." We might be able to do better than this. Now the 3 best sucky teams, KC, Oak (Russell) and Detroit (Stafford in the draft) will all have QBs come the 2010 draft. If the Skins have a sucky 2009 and Danny and Vinny use their deal-making skills to the hilt the Skins could get Bradford in the 2010 draft, a far better QB than either Cassell or Campbell.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 28, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Even Skip Bayless said Haynesworth was a good move by the Skins.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 28, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"Shouldn't we draft a Left Tackle? That's the hardest position on the OL, and we could move Samuels to the right side more easily...."

My thoughts:
Samuels is too light to play on the right side. An earth-mover, that's what we need.

You're absolutely right that we should be grooming a replacement for Chris, and the draft would be best place to get one. Rare to find somebody who can start right away at LT.

The thing about the popularity of the spread in college is you don't see many pro-style LTs coming into the league. They're actually extending the learning curve. An exception would be USC, and maybe that's why the relatively untalented Sam Baker succeeded with Atlanta last year.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

why didn't we trade next year's 2nd plus some kind of conditional 3rd-5th round pick for Cassell!?!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Signing 2 behemoth linemen is exactly what the Redskins needed! Stunning!

Posted by: RedCherokee | February 28, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts?

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 4:48 PM

My thought is that you're the same guy who used to post up here as myrtlebeachmike. Am I right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

why didn't we trade next year's 2nd plus some kind of conditional 3rd-5th round pick for Cassell!?!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 4:56 PM

Because Belichick got better terms than than from St. Louis. Besides, that's not the big need this year. Next year we'll be worrying about QB, but this year the QB position is settled.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Please god I'LL PASS ON SAM BRADFORD


gimme a break, that would be an AWFUL first round pick

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I think next years 1st round pick will be drafting Clinton Portis' replacement.

I hope we don't draft a QB.
Heath Shuler
Patrick Ramsey
Jason Campbell
______________

That's what we in the marketing world call a trend.

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

why didn't we trade next year's 2nd plus some kind of conditional 3rd-5th round pick for Cassell!?!
Posted by: TheTruth11

Cassell comes with a $14.5M price tag this year, I'm not sure how we've managed to do what we've done....but we could never have gotten that done too.

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Kitna just traded to the Cowboys.

That's a little better backup than Brad Johnson when Romo gets hit on the knee by Terrell "Tanya Harding" Owens.

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

if Rey Maluaga and Andre Smith are both available at #13, who should we take???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Michael Wilbon - "The recession may apply to little people, but nothing economic was going to keep Daniel Snyder from throwing tens of millions at Albert Haynesworth in that excessive, over-the-top manner that has become Snyder's signature as an owner."

I saw him and kornheiser rip any one who thought they shouldn't go after Haynesworth on "talking points" and then do an about face friday on PTI. What a couple of jagbags.

Posted by: buke | February 28, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Update on Kitna:

The trade was for Kitna and the Cowboys gave up starting CB, Anthony Henry. As if the Cowboys didn't have enough secondary issues with Pacman gone and trying to trade Roy Williams (the DB)...this trade is truly perplexing.

Redskins Rule, Cowboys Fool!

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

if Rey Maluaga and Andre Smith are both available at #13, who should we take???
Posted by: TheTruth11

Vinny's style is always "best available player". Hello 4th Tight End!!!!!!!

Cooley
Yoder
Sleepy
___________

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

if Rey Maluaga and Andre Smith are both available at #13, who should we take???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 5:18 PM |

That's tough but considering our lack of offense last year I would go with Andre.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith - Samuels is getting old. Dominant LTs are hard acquire. I think he should be the pick if both are available.

Maluaga - "Best hitter it the draft," and a staple of a team's defense. Great raves about Ray. He's an awesome athlete. But with a Left Tackle, ala A. Smith, on the board and a couple of capable options at OLB on the current roster (Tyson Smith & Matt Sinclair), and so much money invested into the Defense this offseason, I vote A. Smith.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 28, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I think I would go with Andre Smith over anyone if he's available after thinking about it.

Dude most likely IS a cornerstone 10 year LT ala that Samuels guy we go. Let Samuels play LT next year with Andre Smith at RT next year to get a year under his belt. Then switch 'em in 2010 and let Samuels extend his career and finish at RT.

Then hope Rhinehart comes around at guard, we'd have Rhinehart and Andre Smith as yougn OL, with Dockery being 28 (I think?).

Then maybe see if Duke Robinson falls to the third, nab him and badabingbadaboom WE GOT YOUTH BABY

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Then maybe see if Duke Robinson falls to the third, nab him and badabingbadaboom WE GOT YOUTH BABY

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 5:35 PM

I'm tellin' you right now, Truth, that the Redskins will trade next year's first for a second this year. Maybe with New England since they now have an extra second. We're going to win it all, now. At least, that's the goal once again.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 28, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I saw him and kornheiser rip any one who thought they shouldn't go after Haynesworth on "talking points" and then do an about face friday on PTI. What a couple of jagbags.

Posted by: buke | February 28, 2009 5:21 PM |
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Absolutely right.

But what else is new? Wilbon has been talking out of both sides of his intellectually bankrupt mouth for years now.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 28, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Ok, the CBA is between owners and the players union, right? It seems to me that it is to the players benefit to not have a salary cap. So they'll vote ney, and cross the picket lines, much to the owners delight. The UAW's devastating effects on the auto industry may have demonstarted to the players (and their agents) the futility of unions.

I'm sure I'm going to get blasted here. So please feel free to enlighten me.

Posted by: Red4ever | February 28, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, is there really a chance we can sign Canty?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 28, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Dagha Jim , Terps , and Shally, are you out there?

Posted by: pjente | February 28, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Anyone:

No luck GOOGLING to find who has not been signed for 2009. CAMPBELL, FINCHER et. al. What site, please?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 28, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, I think that was a fake Cindy who posted about Canty at 3:00 am.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 28, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

pjente: you are fool. either bring some sense to this panel or eat a dik.

dock is a lock, great deal. we hated losing him, and he is back where he belongs. xperiences youth on the o-line is huge.

a little luck is always welcomed. let's get that dude from seattle and then it is up to JC and the Zorn Ultimatum.

Posted by: hollabolla | February 28, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

LB Keith Brooking just signed with the Cowboys. At least that lowers the chance that they will go after Ray Lewis.

Speaking of which, good article in the Baltimore Sun that indicated that Ray Ray received Zero Zero offers on the first day of free agency and has offended the city of Baltimore with his post-season antics.

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

RT- Heyer / Jansen
RG- Thomas / Rinehart
C- Rabach / R. Riley
LG- Dockery / D. Clark
Lt- Samuels / *A. Smith

* A. Smith could start at RT. In the end the decision is up to Buges and I think may be pushing the line that is, Veterans & Offensive Line under Buges, with my projection of Heyer over Jansen. Keep in mind, Samuels started day One.

Kendall & Fabini. At this point, I question their roster spots.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 28, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

One enjoyable part of this coming year will be relishing the demise of the Ravens up here as Rex took the entire D'fense with him...

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Guess that poor Stafford kid (soon to be wealthy, but still) from Georgia is really going to Detroit.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Kendall and Fabini are both gone.

Luckily, Fabini can fall back on being a film producer with Cooley.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

if Rey Maluaga and Andre Smith are both available at #13, who should we take???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 5:18 PM |

Mark Sanchez haha

Posted by: hokiesmokie | February 28, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

any truth behind the rumor that DHall only came back because we got Haynesworth?

heard the secondary has been complaining a lot lately

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

For all those that have declared last year's draft a bust are idiots! You can't tell from one season who will be productive and who will not.


Posted by: rickyroge | February 28, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

any truth behind the rumor that DHall only came back because we got Haynesworth?

heard the secondary has been complaining a lot lately

Posted by: TheTruth11

Hall signed HOURS before Haynesworth was locked down and has said all along that he wanted to return to the Skins.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 28, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

if Rey Maluaga and Andre Smith are both available at #13, who should we take???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 5:18 PM |*****

I say trade down for more picks. We still need more youth and more players on both sides of the ball. IMHO.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | February 28, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Will the Redskins go after Ray Lewis? I don't think it's likely.

Posted by: RedCherokee | February 28, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Ray Lewis? Criminey I hope not. He and London play the same position.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and taking #52 from Rocky.. not!

Posted by: RedCherokee | February 28, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Whether you think Dockery, Haynesworth and Hall were worth it or not, the Skins have clearly gotten younger and more athletic.

All 3 are in their 20's, they are in the sweet spot in their careers.

Whats missing? For 2009, the OL is still the major problem. OLB is a problem. DE is a problem unless Jason Taylor returns to form (losing Evans was a mistake).

Trade up, get the stud OL guy. We can't plug every hole in the draft, but at least plug 1 with a top pick. Then draft OL and LB with the remaining picks, hope to get lucky in the lower rounds.

I'm not at all sold on what the Skins did. Too much risk. But Vinny has already jumped out of the plane -- we'll see if the parachute works come next season.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

If Haynesworth plays to his ability, London Fletcher is going to have an amazing year

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

"With the acquisition of Dockery, it appears the Redskins will not re-sign Pete Kendall."

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Bring_Back_Dockery__Agree_to_Terms_On_Deal_32527.jsp

Posted by: RedCherokee | February 28, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I thought all FA signings were risks.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 28, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

any chance we can pick up Erasmus James for the vet min?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

That would be up to Greg Blache.

Posted by: RedCherokee | February 28, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Red... I think Kendall stays as a back up. He knows the deal and can come in in a pinch at either guard spot and maybe even center as he is crafty and experienced...great guy to keep around this coming year as the youth movement at Oline continues into 2010+.

Keeping Kendall improves the reserve corps.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

If we drafted Maluaga and he lived up to the hype immediately

and imagine Haynesworth lives up to what we hope he lives up to

and Jason Taylor rebounds and has a decent year


#1 D in the league next year!?!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree we should go with a stud OT, but I don't think we need to move up from 13 to get any one of:

Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss

We know Detroit is going Stafford. Are all 4 of these OT gonna be gone in the next 11 picks? Especially Andre Smith after his Combine Cut Out? I actually figure he is the guy we'll get, and "we" can all lose our minds over how stupid the usual suspects are for drafting this "issue queen".

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge
"For all those that have declared last year's draft a bust are idiots! You can't tell from one season who will be productive and who will not."

Last years draft started out great when we traded out of the 1st round and had 3 2nd round picks. That's where the trouble began.

We drafted Devin Thomas who really only had one full season at college ball that was productive (junior). He ran a strong 4.4 at the combine which for a receiver of his size is pretty outstanding.

Then we drafted Malcolm Kelly who most teams had as a 4th or 5th round pick becuase of his "well known" knee problems.

Most surprising was our pick of Fred Sleepy Davis, a TE who didn't help address our key needs at OL or DE which we could have drafted some good players.

You are correct that in 5 years we might look back at having tandem Pro-bowl receivers in Thomas and Kelly, but based on their first year...our 3 2nd round picks blew chunks.


Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

If we draft Andre Smith I am predicting a contract hold out.

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Maluaga is an ILB we kinda have one of those. I say we should go RT no matter what but if for some crazy reason they want to go LB then it should be Cushing.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 28, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Let me be the first to speculate on the diva discussions. For several years, the Skins were mostly diva-free. A bit here and there, but when the coach has 3 Lombardi's and a bust in Canton, tough not to respect that guy.

Zorn comes in, has never sniffed a Lombardi, and Portis, with his straight pockets, goes off. Now Albert and Hall (Albert Hall?) have similarly straight pockets and both have a history of pushing the envelope.

Will 2009 go down in Skins history as "The Year of the 3 Divas?"

Stay tuned ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

"Albert Hall" LOL, nice.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Truth Pockets Knowledge homies

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

isnadd: Andre Smith = holdout because?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I leave for a while and Dockery comes back... good times.

Posted by: Dorf | February 28, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

"isnadd: Andre Smith = holdout because?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe |"

obviously because he left the combine a little earlier than he was supposed to. Guy must be a true thug!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Skins 'd' last year was the "it'll keep you in the game, even if the offense struggles" sort.

The Steelers and Ravens had the "we'll win the game despite the offense" kind of defense.

If Haynesworth plays to his talent (a big if) and Jason Taylor returns to form, this Skins defense can be an elite defense along the lines of the Steelers and Ravens.

Some big 'ifs' in there, but still, the potential is there as well.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight the Cowgirls traded there best CB for a backup QB, yeh and Vinny doesn't know what he's doing.

Why are they not getting blasted on ESPN, well I know why because ESPN sucks the cowgirls d!cks so much that they can't see when they make a dumb a$$ move.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

"isnadd: Andre Smith = holdout because?
---------------------------

If he falls to us at #13 his agent will say he should be paid like a Top 5 player because he was a Top 5 pick until he got mad stupid and split the combine.

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Who is our starting left D End?
(Don't say Jason Taylor. He proved last year he is not capable)

Thus sign Canty. (Plus we don't want to see him twice a year when we play the Giants)

Sign Andre Smith or Oher if Smith is gone with #13.

Posted by: Skin1 | February 28, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight the Cowgirls traded there best CB for a backup QB, yeh and Vinny doesn't know what he's doing.

Their best CB? Dude.....ever heard of Terrence Newman? Anthony Henry has never and will never sniff the Pro Bowl. Kitna has had some productive years and made the Pro Bowl.

Skins get pasted by ESPN because they spend more money than anyone and haven't won jack since Snyder bought the team.

Jerry Jones is no doubt a dbag, but at least he was smart enough to hire a Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells to run things.

Posted by: k_square | February 28, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

f u money -- when you have so much money, you can tell anyone, f u. Welcome to the club Albert and DeAngelo

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Their best CB? Dude.....ever heard of Terrence Newman? Anthony Henry has never and will never sniff the Pro Bowl. Kitna has had some productive years and made the Pro Bowl.

Skins get pasted by ESPN because they spend more money than anyone and haven't won jack since Snyder bought the team.

Jerry Jones is no doubt a dbag, but at least he was smart enough to hire a Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells to run things.

Posted by: k_square | February 28, 2009 8:12 PM |

The Cowgirls haven't won a playoff game in 12 years, you idiot and that was with Parcells. The Redskins have two playoff wins in that time.

You don't trade a starting CB for a backup QB, who all though he made a Pro Bowl like that is a true judge of talent, still is not that good.

He was also smart enough to push Jimmy out, and then smart enough to push Parcells out as well.

But he kept TO so your right he is the smartest guy in the NFL.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Cork, were you even alive when Reagan was in office?

I highly doubt it.

Isnadd, dont you know war creates jobs?

Who oversaw the boom of the real estate market and the lending standards, and deregulation... that was all on Clintons watch.

There are plenty of others to blame, but, the first chip started it all.

But I digress, cL is right, politics always sucks me in...

Posted by: Zeebs | February 28, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Just read the Wilbon piece... More trash from a sham writer.

The column mentions "Dan Snyder," and his "throwing tens of millions" at players in an "over-the-top manner that has become Snyder's signature as an owner."... which by itself is OK.

But when he tries to make a case pro and con for the AH signing, he refers to Reggie White helping Green Bay win a Super Bowl, and Dana Stubblefield being a total bust in DC (no argument there).

However.

Fact #1: Stubblefield was signed by the Redskins in February 1998.
Fact #2: Dan Snyder didn't buy the Redskins until May 1999.

I guess the editors at the Post are just as lazy and clueless as the "writers" these days.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 28, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin,

Cork tried to say the same thing yesterday about Snyder signing Stubblefield, it's funny how some people will totally lie to try and make a point.

If they are not lying then they are both very stupid.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

"Isnadd, dont you know war creates jobs?
Who oversaw the boom of the real estate market and the lending standards, and deregulation... that was all on Clintons watch. There are plenty of others to blame, but, the first chip started it all."
Posted by: Zeebs
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As I said you are earlier, Clinton definitely got it started. Countrywide, a private sector company, is the one who started all of the crazy loans and many other banks all jumped in.

Historically war has created jobs, I don't think that will be the case with Iraq. I would blame Clinton more for exporting jobs than I would the banking disaster we find ourselves in; that one is mostly on Bush.

Question:
Is the Redskins defense going to be able to live up the expectations we all have set this week?


Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

However.
Fact #1: Stubblefield was signed by the Redskins in February 1998.
Fact #2: Dan Snyder didn't buy the Redskins until May 1999.

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Fact #3: Stubblefield has a seasons pass to Six Flags so he is connected to Snyder.

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

AH is the best DT in the NFL period, Stubby was not even the best DT on his team.

This is not over paying for aging veterans who are past there prime, or over paying for a guy who is average to begin with.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Settle down there fish boy. As much as I love the Skins, they will never getting any respect with Snyratto running the show. A couple of playoff wins? Really? Jones has 3 f n championships, Snyder has how many?

Jones is comfortably under the cap, Snyder not so much. You think either Parcells or Johnson would work for Snyder? They would have and probably could have, if they wanted to.

It is easy to see why so many peeps up here think you are akin to vomit.

Posted by: k_square | February 28, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

In watching all the coverage today, some of what was said here really rang true.

If anyone else signed AH, it would be a genius move. He was gonna get 100 mil either way (which we now all know isnt the real amount).

Snyder just rubs the people the wrong way I guess.

A lot was being made of DHall's contract, saying how can a guy who failed on the raiders and get burnt by rook Royal from Broncos be getting so much money... and this is the NFL network.

Whatever a guy is worth to one team, he is worth. His play on another team has little effect if he proves in your system, with your players and scheme, he can play well.

And we all saw how quickly he made an impact. He is a gambler, but now that we should have a pass rush, this is a good thing.

Posted by: Zeebs | February 28, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Jones has 3 f n championships, Snyder has how many?

Posted by: k_square | February 28, 2009 8:39 PM |
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All of JJ's Super Bowl teams came before
Dan Snyder bought the Redskins.

But since they've both been in the league at the same time, how many playoff games has each of their teams won?

Jones: 0 (no playoff wins since 1996)
Snyder: 2.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 28, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

The big poke, the guy with the world's worst face lift. While he was smart enough to hire Johnson and The Big Tuna to run things , he was dumb enough to run them off. My greatest thrill in football in recent years is the look on his face when the Giants beat the Pokes in the playoff game in the 2007/08 season. As the mastercard commercial goes, priceless.

Posted by: pjente | February 28, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Settle down there fish boy. As much as I love the Skins, they will never getting any respect with Snyratto running the show. A couple of playoff wins? Really? Jones has 3 f n championships, Snyder has how many?

Jones is comfortably under the cap, Snyder not so much. You think either Parcells or Johnson would work for Snyder? They would have and probably could have, if they wanted to.

It is easy to see why so many peeps up here think you are akin to vomit.

Posted by: k_square | February 28, 2009 8:39 PM |

Whatever loser Jones has also owned his team 10 years longer then Snyder.

Who cares how good he is with the salary cap as the Skins have shown the sakary cap is BS, and will be gone next year anyway.

Parcells will work for anyone offering the money, Jones is GM on his team and is on the sidelines every game. I'm sure the old school Parcells wanted to body slam his a$$ sometimes.

Johnson wouldn't work for anyone now so he doesn't matter.

Considering that those people are haters of the team they supposedly love, I'll take the vomit statement as a complement.

Jones has not made one smart move since hiring Jimmy Johnson.

Did hiring Parcells result in a playoff win the anwser is NO.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet my imaginary Rolls Royce that no team in the league would trade a high 2nd for a 3rd, 5th, and 6th. Maybe two 3rd rounders, even maybe a 3rd and 4th (highly unlikely), but to only get a 3rd, 5th, and 6th? No way, no how.

Posted by: ga8085 | February 27, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

You are so correct: the Draft Value chart list the 33rd pick worth 580 points.
The Skins 3rd Rd. pick is worth 210
the 5th Rd pick is worth 32.2 and the 6th Rd pick is worth 19. adding those up doesn't come close to being worth 580 points..Note: the 1st pick of the draft is worth 3000 points..

Posted by: Dkessler1 | February 28, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I think the problem is that people have come to associate the post-Gibbs 1.0 failures with Dan Snyder, and that's not accurate.

In 10 season as owner, the Redskins have made the playoffs 3 times. A great stat? No.

However.

Post-Gibbs 1.0 and Pre-Snyder, the team was even worse, posting the following records:

1993: 4-12
1994: 3-13
1995: 6-10
1996: 9-7
1997: 8-7-1
1998: 6-10

In 6 years, that's 2 winning seasons, no playoff appearances (thanks to Gus Frerotte's head-butt), and 4 seasons with double-digit losses, all before Snyder came on the scene.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 28, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

But since they've both been in the league at the same time, how many playoff games has each of their teams won?

Jones: 0 (no playoff wins since 1996)
Snyder: 2.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 28, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Neither guy should be happy with the stat. Not for nothing, but if you want to bust balls, it took Jones all of three years as owner to win his 1st Super Bowl, and later added two more. Snyder been here 10 years, and hasn't even been to the NFC Championship. 10 years....2 playoff wins?

I grew up watching the Skins with the Squire, Bobby Beathard, and Gibbs 1.0. With the money he makes off the fans, and the way he spends it, it's a joke man.

Posted by: k_square | February 28, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

The recent signings are the equivalent of going 'all in' in a poker game.

So far, we lost 3 pieces -- 2 talented but unreliable pieces (Springs, Washington) and a useful piece in Evans.

We gained 2 pieces and resigned a 3rd. 1 good and historically reliable (Dock). 1 very good (Hall) and 1 spectacular (AH), but both with question marks about their reliability.

My opinion, but the only guy on that list not overpaid was Evans. Hate to get rid of value guys.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I grew up watching the Skins with the Squire, Bobby Beathard, and Gibbs 1.0. With the money he makes off the fans, and the way he spends it, it's a joke man.


Posted by: k_square | February 28, 2009 9:04 PM |

All NFL teams make money off fans, or does the rest of the league let people into games for free.

About the spending part at least he is willing to spend, alot of owners don't spend sh!t.

There are plenty off teams who have one less then the Skins since 1999.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

B+

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

zc,

Agree on Evans I which they could have braught him back, hopefully for him he will get a good deal somewhere else and be a starter.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I've been reading the posts the past few days and here are my quick hits:
1. AH will be a monster. Count on it.
2. Bringing back Dock makes this a great weekend.
3. JLC hates the skins-as he should. His team is basically the step child across town.
4. Much as we may hate it-Danny and his twin are going nowhere.
5. Deregulation started under Reagen- early to mid 80's. Look it up. As a matter of fact he pretty much ran on it.
6. Draft the best OT with 13, a LB in the 3rd and a couple of guards after that.

Another off-season SB. Gotta love it.

Posted by: jandlml | February 28, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Jones got his first Super Bowl within 3 years thanks in large part to Mike Lynn and the Minnesota Vikings.

To wit:

Convinced Walker was the missing piece to a puzzle almost complete, Vikings GM Mike Lynn sent players, draft picks and the kitchen sink to the Cowboys in order to secure his talents.

The Vikings gave up three first round picks, three second round picks, several other low round picks and five players to the Cowboys in exchange for Walker and a couple of draft picks back.

.....
I still believe someone must have slipped Mike Lynn a mickey. I recall very well when that trade went down. It was un-frigging--believable.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 28, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

what's missing in all of this is that the Bills were content on RELEASING Dockery. However, we have no problem making him one of the highest paid lineman in the league. Hmmmmm......

I understand that we have a veteran team and need to spend to win now, but I am very scared of what is going to happen when all of these back loaded contracts start to hit our cap. The really good teams in the league today spend frugally on young talent and replace them when they get too old. It's too late to do that now, but I really want the skins to get to that point eventually, where scouting and budgeting correctly is the first priority. I'm supporting these decisions now because of the current state, but things need to change in the next 3-4 years even if that means going through 3-4 years of rebuilding like what SF is going through now.

Posted by: skinsfan1977 | February 28, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Great weekend for the skins

i wanna know whats going on with the pursuit of barnes and/or willis. if we sign one of those guys it could give us alot of flexibility with that 13th pick. maybe to even draft macklin if he happened to fall into our lap which could be a good idea.

Posted by: amsaul | February 28, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

This blog is absolute horse$#!*. This shmoe lacanforna has now gone an entire day without 1 post. As a skins fan there are very few days to look forward to on the football calender but TODAY IS THAT DAY! It is inexplicable that on the skins biggest weekend of the year there is nothing. I understand we already blew our load on fat albert (wow! that sounds bad)but according to everyone there is a large class of middle tier guys who will be forced to take vet minimum pay because of the economy. Are you telling me the skins have no interest in anybody else, is the dan taking time off during the opening of free agency to open another Johnny Rockets? Doubtful! I curse you lacanforna for making me turn to Adam Schecter for the news that i need.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | February 28, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

another site just threw out the idea of Skins trading for Tyler Thigpen

apparently he's really cheap, like under 500k cheap

and he's young

and he's decent

and he's from SOUTH CAROLINA

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I still believe someone must have slipped Mike Lynn a mickey. I recall very well when that trade went down. It was un-frigging--believable.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 28, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse.

What about Ditka trading all of his picks to jump up and grab Ricky Williams? And Ricky got busted for smoking weed? Ditka should have had to pee in a cup on that one....pure bonehead.

I remember that trade, Charley Casserly put that together. Can't remember who Skins drafted though, fairly sure Champ Bailey was one of them though.

He may not be a Beathard, but I wouldn't mind reacquiring Casserly's services.

Posted by: k_square | February 28, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

check what i said. trade down and pick up heyward-bey after signing barnes or willis. hes 6-3 and runs a 4.3, whats not to like about that and we still need another offensive playmaker.

Posted by: amsaul | February 28, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

what's missing in all of this is that the Bills were content on RELEASING Dockery... However, we have no problem making him one of the highest paid lineman in the league. Hmmmmm......

Posted by: skinsfan1977 | February 28, 2009 9:22 PM

Every team releases good players when they become too much of a salary cap burden. Haynesworth was RELEASED too, and the concensus is that he's the best in the NFL at his position.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

pjente: you are fool. either bring some sense to this panel or eat a dik.

Posted by: hollabolla | February 28, 2009 6:09 PM

Speaking of diks, haven't heard from our hommie Dikshuttle lately.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 28, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

With all the hell that Snyder catches (some deserved, some not), this is why they haven't won...

1) Gibbs overcommitted to veterans, sent draft picks away, and was not good at developing young players.

2) Portis is too small and lacks the durability to be a 30 carry a game back for 16 games.

3) Inferior talent offense. Teams know when Portis is getting it and has also figured out that you double team Moss and we got nothin'

4) I like Zorn, but all that stuff about Thomas, Davis and Kelly earning the right to be on the field is CRAP. Who's afraid of James Thash and Randle-El? Put em' on the field and let em' run the routes they run best.

5) Campbell still developing with a new offense.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 28, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I hate to read about the Redskins ignoring Demetric Evans. We've seen this before with Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark, two talented veterans who could have been kept without breaking the bank.

Spending instead on big-name free agents is going to leave this team tissue-paper thin. I wouldn't be at all surprised if last year's pattern - great first half, terrible second half - repeats itself after injuries start to add up.

Posted by: rodeoclown | February 28, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Shiny trophy there Moe.

Yeah, we get one every other off-season. It's the Anti-Lombardi trophy they give out to teams that try buying themselves a championship.

What about the real Lombardi trophy?

We don't seem to be able to get one of those?

Why?

Because of the kind of crap we did over the past three days. Dockery we needed. Hall we needed. But Fat Albert--don't think so.

I guess you think the team could've drafted Raji and had the same player for less money, less wear and tear.

Yep.

I guess you think money should've gone towards stenghting the team's front lines as it's offense is what needed the splashy signing.

Yep.

So I guess they'll be more frustration this season, and we'll be collecting another anti-Lombardi Off Season trophy late Feb 2010.

Sure.

And the same people loving Fat Albert will turn on him like they turned on J Taylor.

Sure.

You don't have much to say about this. Why?

I don't drink the same flava kool aid most bloggas slurp.

Me, I swallow the truth and spit out lies. #92 ain't real, so there's nothing to say about him unless he proves me wrong.

And he won't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

With all the hell that Snyder catches (some deserved, some not), this is why they haven't won...

1) Gibbs overcommitted to veterans, sent draft picks away, and was not good at developing young players.

...

Posted by: rickyroge | February 28, 2009 10:06 PM

Try

1) Gibbs' disastrous personnel move of Archuleta, ARE, Lloyd and Carter set the organization back at least two years. Plus it was demoralizing as hell. It meant that he was out of touch and needed to reretire, which he subsequently did.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 28, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scJsSLtYCe8


Vinny Cerrato acting in Kindergarten Ninja


wtf

has anyone else seen that? AWFUL yet hilarious

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Try

1) Gibbs' disastrous personnel move of Archuleta, ARE, Lloyd and Carter set the organization back at least two years. Plus it was demoralizing as hell. It meant that he was out of touch and needed to reretire, which he subsequently did.
(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

Are you fogetting Gibbs + personnel moves? Explain to me, in your infinite wisdom, withouth the luxury of hindsight, how the skins were contenders in all but one of Gibbs 2.o years. Injuries were primary reason they didn't perform closer to expectations. cosmofla

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 28, 2009 10:48 PM

Posted by: cosomfla | February 28, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

That video is legit. Shortly after his firing from the 49ers, Vinny attempted a comeback in his initial career in law enforcement.

Good ol Sarge....how can't we be on the right track with this multi-talented devil? What a friggin dooooooche.

Posted by: k_square | February 28, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

If any blog writers read this,I'd like to request info on where Springs might go


I'm wondering if we'll have any chance of getting him back for cheaper??? Imagine that!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 28, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheTruth11
If any blog writers read this,I'd like to request info on where Springs might go
I'm wondering if we'll have any chance of getting him back for cheaper??? Imagine that!
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New England.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/28/shawn-springs-visiting-the-pats/

Posted by: isnadd | February 28, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

springs has a visit with NE tomorrow

Posted by: shally | February 28, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Les Carpenter likes Dudes.

(Lets see how he likes the spreading of Random opinions passed off as facts)

Posted by: DownTownClown | March 1, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

For all the grief Zorn got for his fights with Portis and calling players out in the media, he'll have nothing on Josh McDaniels if the reports are true that he tried to trade Jay Cutler before coaching him in so much as a minicamp. Denver talk radio will live off this alone for months or more. Yikes.

Posted by: skinswest | March 1, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

why did 21 have to be taken from us im serious why i miss you 21

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 1, 2009 1:03 AM | Report abuse

it hurts me to my heart please believe that

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 1, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

RE: Posted by: jandlml | February 28, 2009 9:15 PM

"I've been reading the posts the past few days and here are my quick hits:

1. AH will be a monster. Count on it.
2. Bringing back Dock makes this a great weekend.
3. JLC hates the skins-as he should. His team is basically the step child across town.
4. Much as we may hate it-Danny and his twin are going nowhere.
5. Deregulation started under Reagen- early to mid 80's. Look it up. As a matter of fact he pretty much ran on it.
6. Draft the best OT with 13, a LB in the 3rd and a couple of guards after that.

Another off-season SB. Gotta love it."

______________________________________

JANDLML hits it all perfectly on the head here... but I'd add one thing: we still need another solid DT or big DE/DT, as injuries do happen (plus AH hasn't started 16 games often or ever), and we can't have the same ineffective inside pass rush & run (gap) containment as we did in 2008, even for a game or two, or we're dead in the water again. But yes, let's keep adding talent & youth to that O-line, it'll change absolutely everything for JC, CP (even if he's getting old in running back years – if the holes are there he’ll still kill defenses), and all the WR's/RB's/TE's.

But yes, this was unequivocally a great weekend for the burgundy & gold, and these moves are in no way similar to the mistakes made previously by Danny on brand names past their prime. Big kudos are in order. Now let's ace the draft, starting with a beast OT in round 1.

Posted by: chasgiffen | March 1, 2009 2:04 AM | Report abuse

+++They can`t keep spending and re-working play contracts..it all catches up if a few years....101 arithmetic.

Posted by: blazerguy234 |

You know people have been saying this for going on 9 years now, and cap hell hasn't caught us yet.

Posted by: Predator48 |+++


So true, Pred. But then, neither has getting to the Superbowl happened yet, either.

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 2:08 AM | Report abuse

+++Wow.

A second-round pick, for a guy who merited a $14.65 million, one-year contract based on his play in 2008....


So, with all due apologies to the Patriots, the current score is Pioli 1, Pats 0.

Posted by: Flounder21++++


Well, you're right, as usual Flounder, the Pats are a pretty stupid enterprise. But I think what happened here as the Pats never thought they'd get two #1s for him, but by Franchising him, they didn't GIVE him away...

And in the hands of the Pats, a #2 is like, oh I dunno, three #2s in Vinny's hands..

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 2:11 AM | Report abuse

+++Find something else to do with yourself on Sundays in the fall.

Posted by: MrRedskin21+++


Nice to see our sophomore Psych major is back on the board making new friends.

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 2:16 AM | Report abuse

i am here

someone looking for me ????

Posted by: shally | March 1, 2009 2:17 AM | Report abuse

+++I will take on the field stuff over off the field stuff any day, Ray Lewis or one of his boys killed someone but he is beloved around the league...

Posted by: Flounder21 +++


Got to love the sort of situational morality that says winning a few ball games for the home team trumps social behavior. Say, fish boy, that Osama guy is 6'5", mebbe Vinny should draft him to solve the 'skins tall receiver problem?

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Actually NE traded Cassel and Vrabel to KC for a 2nd round pick. Seems like the two would have been worth more then one pick.

Posted by: lifelongfan | March 1, 2009 2:21 AM | Report abuse

+++The problem with the 'Skins front office is not the fact that they shoot themselves in the foot, it's the fact that they reload and do it all over again.

Posted by: pjente |+++


I'd say that's pretty good line but Fish Boy would say me and you both all think alike and why don't we just shut up and be quiet and cheer everything the 'skins do.

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 2:26 AM | Report abuse

You know people have been saying this for going on 9 years now, and cap hell hasn't caught us yet.

Posted by: Predator48 |+++

Actually, cap hell has been an issue almost EVERY year.

Skins badly need to upgrade the OL, but they can only do so much with the cap.

Why did Brandon Lloyd stay here for 2 years when it was clear he was a mistake after about 5 games? Cap hit was too big, so we couldn't even attempt to bring in a replacement WR until year 3.

Why is Demetric Evans, a solid player and good value, now a FA?

Why couldn't the Skins renegotiate Springs ... still one of the better DBs around ... to a better contract? Why is Jansen, clearly unable to move, still here?

Why is Andre Carter here? $6mill a year -- for 3 sacks?

Where is the free agent FG kicker or punter, positions that have been problems for years?

ALL OF THIS IS CAP RELATED. CAP HELL HAS CAUGHT UP WITH THIS TEAM ... AND ITS CAUSED PLENTY OF PROBLEMS.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2009 2:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheTruth11
"If any blog writers read this,I'd like to request info on where Springs might go
I'm wondering if we'll have any chance of getting him back for cheaper??? Imagine that!"

Hm. About three teams will now take a look. Philadelphia, who just lost Dawkins, Shepard and someone else, I believe. Meaning they'll be looking for a immediate impact vet at the db spot, even if using Springs, like Dallas could (notice that Dallas traded Anthony Henry), as a Safety. Third likely team is Miami and even a one year possibility with Baltimore, who also got rid of a DB.

For the Skins to bring him back, two players have to pack now and they are likely to be in the RB spot and WR, because it makes room to re-sign Springs and also clearout a spot for a free agnet WR. If we are NOT looking for an immediate impact WR, that makes the tough and high thrown catches, then we need to address EVANS as the NEW DE to get more reps, reduce Carter, have him restructure. He is just not consistant enough to warrant big dollars, neither is Springs.

Posted by: kurtbw | March 1, 2009 3:52 AM | Report abuse

zcezcest1,

Good post about the cap ramifications. The point is, however, it isn't exactly HELL when you still can nab the top defensive talent out there - it's more like cap purgatory.

Yes, there are guys on the team that are overpaid and some simply should be gone but the day of reckoning that 'Joe the fan' keeps concerning himself with is not catastrophic nor eminent but has been felt each of the past four/five seasons by the redskins in some of the ramification you illustrated.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 1, 2009 5:41 AM | Report abuse

ALL OF THIS IS CAP RELATED. CAP HELL HAS CAUGHT UP WITH THIS TEAM ... AND ITS CAUSED PLENTY OF PROBLEMS.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2009 2:39 AM

Zeke,

I tried to make this point in at least two posts above, but you did a better job of spelling it out. I even used the word "purgatory" that bangkokben put in his post just above this.

They have to realize this every off season at Redskins Park when they review the roster and approach free agency and the draft. They see better players on the market, for lower salaries than they are paying their own, but they have no flexibility to rebuild the roster. It is discouraging that they then go out and make the same bonehead contracts that brought them here, instead of looking for a path out.

I just don't understand how Snyder, who seems a prideful and arrogant man, can endure being the butt of all the jokes. It's gotta be the Sinatra-like determination, "I Did it My Way." That's great, if you're a maverick on top, but most of the losers of the world also did it their way.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 1, 2009 6:21 AM | Report abuse

Got to love the sort of situational morality that says winning a few ball games for the home team trumps social behavior. Say, fish boy, that Osama guy is 6'5", mebbe Vinny should draft him to solve the 'skins tall receiver problem?

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 2:20 AM |


OK Cork so are you saying every guy in the NFL with any kind of past should be kicked out.

AH has had minimal off field issues, on field issues are a part of the game players get carried away sometimes.

Cork would you take Ray Lewis in his prime, even though he might have been involved in a murder?

You sure are posting alot, I'm surprised JLC let you off work this weekend with all the stuff going on. His feet must be getting sore with out you there rubbing them. Well you can make up for it Monday.


Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 6:43 AM | Report abuse

TE,

Sorry I didn't see your post. I think Snyder is certainly a 'did it my way' guy. Every time he sees the mantra that you can't build a team this way written, he just makes himself more determined to prove everyone wrong. History would say that it has been to the detriment of the team. I think that even if these moves blow up he will continue to make these signings.

We can only hope that his high risk high reward moves will finally work. That the right combination of luck will make it work.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 1, 2009 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Ben,

450 comments and you didnt see mine? Shame on you. My only point was that this has to be true because all three of us had come to the same conclusion. Now we can move on and discuss something else.

Who do you think we should take in the third round?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 1, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

'...The problem with the 'Skins front office is not the fact that they shoot themselves in the foot, it's the fact that they reload and do it all over again....'

And that's why the chubby titan signing amazes and confirms the suspicions of knowledgable football people.

What Haynesworth does best goes against what Blache's system asks for from a dt.

Why sign a guy who doesn't match your system?

Expect a Blache/Haynesworth sideline spat sometime around the third quarter of the second jints game.

We already got a starting quarterback who doesn't fit the offense. The defense has to have the same issues, too?

Lavar was cast aside because he wanted to freelance and Grilliams wanted scheme responsibility. Last year's big signee J Taylor wanted to freelance, and Blache preached scheme.

Lavar and Taylor and now Haynesworth are the kind of players who benefit in systems where their individual skill set is greater than the rigid dictates of a 'philosophy'.

Signing players like this means the choice to let them roam and confuse to make plays has to counter-balanced by the occasional misplay and flub-up.

Maybe Blache is polishing off a 4-3, 3-4 hybrid that'll allow Taylor and Hanyesworth to attack. Or maybe all these big names are just more of the same.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

4th,

yeh he will get the 48 but that is it, so people whining about 100mil need to learn how NFL contracts really work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 28, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

doing the same thing year in and out and expecting diferent results is silly. the deal might be 4/48 but it will get restructured 5 times and and go on longer like jansen and ARE. thats how nfl contracts work and thats salary cap hell. show me one team that won this way.

Posted by: steveets | March 1, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Third rounder depends on the first round pick, but either a guard/center or a linebacker. Maybe even a corner. I've got to get a better look at the roster. Vinny will take guys who have a shot a making the team.

What I mean by that is: Samuels, Jansen, Rabach, R. Thomas, and Dockery cannot be cut because of their contracts; this leaves Heyer on for depth or starting at RT and two spots available for game days. Most figure a starting tackle will be picked with the first pick and who knows if another lineman will be picked-up in FA. Bottom line is: don't expect the rebuilding of the o-line this year. You can't stock pile o-linemen just because you need them next year.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 1, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Got to love the sort of situational morality that says winning a few ball games for the home team trumps social behavior. Say, fish boy, that Osama guy is 6'5", mebbe Vinny should draft him to solve the 'skins tall receiver problem?
Posted by: TheCork
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Cork, I think you hit the nail on the head, although with Osama's rumored kidney problem he probably wouldn't pass the physical.

Morality vs. Championships is a difficult dilemna, made especially hard when you have Morality with no Championships...becuase...here is the punchline...Winning Championships can actually help players mature and learn social responsibility simply becuase they are in the spotlight more.

Posted by: isnadd | March 1, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

mista,

How does a run stopping DT not fit his system, AH only gets sacks when he is able to beat a double team. He stops the run first.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

AH rushes the passer and plays the run on his way to the passer. This a paraphrase from JLC's column.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 1, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

You guys are a bunch of clowns. Every year the skins make a big splash and "win" the offseason. Then we go back and it's the same old story season after season. When are you going to learn that we are a losing franchise and will stay that way until the fat little boy gives up his shiny toy and lets someone who knows about football run the operation??? Hint to the little boy: his name doesn't rhyme with "dinny berato".

Posted by: washcapsfan | March 1, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

AH rushes the passer and plays the run on his way to the passer. This a paraphrase from JLC's column.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 1, 2009 8:24 AM |

But he takes two and sometimes three guys with him on his way to the passer, leaving less people to block the other defenders thus helping the run game.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

washcap,

We haven't won the FA's period since 2006, and that was on Gibbs.

2007 and 2008 we did very little in FA's but keep hating, I see you like to jump on bandwagons with your name.

Maybe you can jump on the Skins bandwagon this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

capsfan,

Thanks so much for enlightening me. I had no idea. In fact I hadn't heard that Snyder was the reason for the failure of the skins...

...today.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 1, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I've tried to keep my cool and respect the power of free speech bloggin', but honestly I don't understand many posts.

Albert Haynesworth is the BEST and most dominant player at his position IN THE LEAGUE and he's 27. No, he hasn't played 16 games since being in the league but the Titans were 14-2 with him and 1-4 without him.

D'Angelo Hall is 25 years old and have proven he's a playmaker around the ball.

Derrick Dockery is an instant upgrade at the guard postion and still 29 years old.

These signings are not similar to Bruce Smith or Deion Sanders. These aren't over the hill signings.

I thought we complained that the Skins haven't addressed the Defenseive line in years. I thought we complained that that Skins needed to address the O-line in FA and the draft. We get a guy back who knows our system and was pretty dominant.

Let's look and what we had on our D-Line on Thursday...

Cornelius Griffin (35 years old, but great when healthy)
Golston- Good developing young talent, but no one to fear
Montgomery- ditto
Andre Carter- too inconsistent
Jason Taylor- was hurt most of 08'; playing out of his natural position
Demetric Evans- sold DE, but perhaps not an every down pass rusher

With all the jibba-jabba that's been said, the only question is have we mae our defensive line and offensive line better. The answer is YES!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 1, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

If Haynesworth was a bad signing, then wha, but would some of you other armchair GM's done?

Before you answer...

If they would have drafted someone, then you'd say they were a bust if they didn't make an immediate impact.

If they go out and get the best defensive player at his position, then it's "Snyder won the offseason Super Bowl".

Which is it?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 1, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

It's time for obscure reference:

Albert Haynesworth - greatest DT ever?
Allan Holdsworth - greatest guitarist ever


Posted by: isnadd | March 1, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

it hurts me to my heart please believe that
Posted by: drewkinnear


B+

Posted by: isnadd | March 1, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

What do you all think of trading Campbell and our 13th pick for Cutler? I would do it in a heartbeat. Fair trade?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | March 1, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler is Jay Schoeder. Strong arm; no touch. Couldn't hit the back in the flat at the pro-bowl. I think you have the makings of the worst trade of all-time. I'm glad it's just a hypothetical but that's just me.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 1, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

What do you all think of trading Campbell and our 13th pick for Cutler? I would do it in a heartbeat. Fair trade?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice
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Get Denver to throw in a 2nd round pick and I would do it. Question is whether Sanchez from USC is available at pick 13 and if that's who Denver wants.

Posted by: isnadd | March 1, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Cutler = Sucks

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler is Jay Schoeder. Strong arm; no touch. Couldn't hit the back in the flat at the pro-bowl. I think you have the makings of the worst trade of all-time. I'm glad it's just a hypothetical but that's just me.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 1, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

You're right, he just consistanly threw for 400 yards last year and I forgot how Jason Campbell did at the pro bowl.. Can you remind me of that?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | March 1, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "Maybe Blache is polishing off a 4-3, 3-4 hybrid that'll allow Taylor and Hanyesworth to attack."

My guess is that's exactly what he's doing. Blache stuck with fundamentals last year, hoping his players would think less and attack more. In some ways it worked. You can't complain about the defensive stats. But you can complain about the lack of pressure, and Blache will agree with you. He believes in pressure. And turnovers.

I think we'll see Taylor and Haynesworth used creatively. However the key to this defense remains London Fletcher.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I think we'll see Taylor and Haynesworth used creatively. However the key to this defense remains London Fletcher.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 9:16 AM |

I agree and AH will make London Fletcher the best Middle LB in the league.

LF will have no one on him anymore, AH eats up two defenders on every play.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Cutler vs. Campbell

Cutler is 2 years younger

Cutler averages 40% more yards per game

Cutler 54 TD vs. Campbell 35 last three years in same # of games

Cutler fumbles more but is sacked less

Cutler has slightly better QB rating

Posted by: isnadd | March 1, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Damn did Jasno just give up posting since he hasn't called anything right or timely?

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 1, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Cutler had over 100 more Att. then JC he had more TD's but also alot mor Int's.

His QB rating was similar so was his Y/Per catch.

Pro Bowl means nothing that is a popularity contest, all pro means something.

Cutler had 1,000 more yards then JC but he also had 100 more chances so take that how you will.

I don't see Cutler as anything special, and making a pro bowl doesn't help. 400 yard games are great but when your getting them because your defense sucks, and you have to pass every play well then that stat is not all that great.

16 Jay Cutler DEN QB 384 616 62.3 38.5 4,526 7.3 282.9 25 18 222 36.0 93T 55 7 11 86.0


19 Jason Campbell WAS QB 315 506 62.3 31.6 3,245 6.4 202.8 13 6 162 32.0 67T 34 3 38 84.3

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

slimbo,

If you're in love him - fine. I'm not. The dude is a diabetic and you want to trade a #13 pick and a starting qb for him. You want an even more inaccurate qb because you're in love with his stats.

How many game did he pass over 400 yards in 2008? That's right - 0! You're right consistent.

How many did he throw under 200? Three! and another for 204 - all losses.

He had to throw and throw often in order for that team to win because the defense was sh!t. He had eight games in which he threw over 40 times!

You asked what I thought about the trade proposal and I gave you the answer. I didn't mean to upset your man crush.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 1, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I am not a huge fan on Cutler but i think he is a lot better than Campbell. I don't think comapring numbers is fair to either QB. You can argue that Denver's D was so terrible he never got on the field and when he did other teams knew all he was going to do was throw esp since they had no running game.. I think is is a huge upgrade and seems to be on the block. I just would like to upgrade at QB since it is now the weak spot on the team.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | March 1, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

cutler isnt worth it. Hes on the block in denver. we need a RT at 13th pick.... or a DE. With the rest of the picks pick speeeeed!

Posted by: toons123 | March 1, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Again all I'm saying is he's inaccurate. It may be an upgrade but super slight and not at all worth what you proposed.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 1, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

All you guys trying to get rid of Campbell are having premature ejectulation. He`s our QB this year. You can`t eject him now. No way we can switch out for someone else`s problem QB given what we just did to our salary cap.

Next year`s the year to look for the hot QB that some other team`s trying to dump but who will be the savior in DC.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 1, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

One more thing, why is he on the block?

Posted by: bangkokben | March 1, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

The Skins need to keep going with the signings. Now that they have gotten the big ego spending out of the way they need to search for some quality in the not-so-expensive free agent pool. This team needs to inject more youth on the offensive line. If Rhinehart is not the real deal, then they need to find some young guard that can develop into a legitimate force. It makes sense to get someone who can switch to center if need be (kind of like Geisinger, who I don't think they re-signed). They have been lucky that Rabach has stayed injury free, but they cannot expect that luck to last.

It would also be nice for them to grab an established linebacker because things are looking a little weak in this area since Washington was let go. If you believe the draft analysts, Washington will go after a linebacker in the draft, but my opinion is you don't draft linebackers in the first round for the type of defense Washington runs. They could do just fine with HB Blades, London Fletcher and McIntosh (if he's healthy), but depth is a concern. A guy like Sinclair might be ready to step up. I think he was close in pre-season last year before he was injured, but the Skins are still shallow with a healthy Sinclair. It is also intriguing to see more discussion about using Jason Taylor as a linebacker. I think he could be a situational linebacker, but I cannot see him dropping back into pass coverage too often, so, the Redskins need to think about picking up some linebackers.

As for the draft, now is the time to reload with quality offensive linemen. This draft doesn't have a lot of first round talent, but the draft is deep in linemen once you're out of the first round. This is why I think they need to trade down for multiple picks. If they sign a few guys in free agency, and draft a few guys, I think they could really have some competition in training camp and let the best men win.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

we need a OLine so when we do get a QB in the near future he has time, JC never has the time....but the OLine can run block a lil.

Posted by: toons123 | March 1, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Redskin,

Nice post I agree with you 100%.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

i agree about the depth of Linemen in the draft. Who do you guys like {OLine} in the draft.....besides the big 3

Posted by: toons123 | March 1, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys, here's the problem with continuing signing FA's, we have no money left. We're at the cap if you include rookie contracts. In order to sign, we have to cut.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 1, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I don't disagree with notion that the o-line needs to be improved but I don't think you will many changes there. Here's why:

Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas and Jansen all are earning starting money. Releasing any of these guys would be negative to the cap. Then Heyer is a solid back-up. If Rinehart can play he is still around. That's six/seven on the team. That leaves about two spots that shouldn't get starter money.

If 13 is a T, he will get starter $, then there is room for one more guy who will likely be just a guy.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 1, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

BUYER BEWARE FOR CHIEFS?
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 1, 2009, 10:01 a.m. EST
Weighing in on the New England Patriots’ high-profile trade of quarterback Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs, Ron Borges of the Boston Herald opines that Chiefs General Manager Scott Pioli should be wary of the deal he struck with former colleague Bill Belichick.

Per Borges, Cassel might wind up being the next Scott Mitchell while noting that the Patriots created $17.85 million in salary-cap space by unloading Cassel, their franchise player, and Vrabel. He called the deal a “steal for Belichick.”

“I look at Cassel and I think Scott Mitchell,” an unnamed NFC executive told the Herald. “That’s who I see.”

Of course, Mitchell is the former Miami Dolphins quarterback signed by the Detroit Lions after a strong stint in 1993 as an injury replacement for Dan Marino. Mitchell went 27-28 as a starter in four seasons, losing both playoff starts for Detroit.

Quoting an anonymous person described as an NFL insider, the article concludes that this deal could wind up working in the Patriots’ favor eventually.

“Bill Belichick wouldn’t do his mother a favor,” the source told Borges. “Anybody who looks at this deal and thinks he did doesn’t know him. Or the guys he just traded.”

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

What do you all think of trading Campbell and our 13th pick for Cutler? I would do it in a heartbeat. Fair trade?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice

ABSOLUTELY...POSITIVELY....NOT!!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 1, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I didn't want us to aquire A.H. but now that we have it is what it is, I just hope he stays healthy and lives up to the hype and salary. I like that we got Dockery back now we need to shore up the right side of the line Thomas and Jansen need to be replaced so that we don't have to run to the left all the time and have the same break down on the right during pass plays. we should draft OT at 13(Smith?), then OLB, OG, and a speed back to change up and spell Portis.

Posted by: 72Redskins | March 1, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

What do you all think of trading Campbell and our 13th pick for Cutler? I would do it in a heartbeat. Fair trade?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice

ABSOLUTELY...POSITIVELY....NOT!!!!


Posted by: Lisa_R *******

I wouldn't dismiss it outright, anything to make the team better, IMO. JC threw for an average of less than 1 TD per game! You have got to have more production than that. I am in the camp of improving the line play, and the WR's too, but JC has to do more.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | March 1, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

@flounder

Why don't you get your head out of your rear and read: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-8-153/Redskins-know-how-to-ignore-history.html

I'm a fan myself but refuse to get excited about the team until they start winning some games. Winning the offseason doesn't cut it.

Posted by: washcapsfan | March 1, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

There really are only 4 OT worth taking with the 13th pick. 1. J. Smith- baylor 2. E. Monroe-Virginia 3. A. Smith-Alabama 4. M. Oher-Mississippi. After that its not worth the hi pick. If all are gone at 13 then we should take a LB or DE.

Posted by: rcjordan44 | March 1, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

@flounder

Why don't you get your head out of your rear and read: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-8-153/Redskins-know-how-to-ignore-history.html

I'm a fan myself but refuse to get excited about the team until they start winning some games. Winning the offseason doesn't cut it.

Posted by: washcapsfan | March 1, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

What does that have to do with what I said, we did not do anything in FA's the last two years.

Mark Mosley is a moron who is not to fond of the Skins, so basically he can kiss my rear as you put it.

We won FA's in 2000, 2004 and 2006 but I like how you guys say every year, don't let those pesky facts get in your way.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: washcapsfan | March 1, 2009 10:39 AM

Matt Mosely covers the Cowboys. Maybe he should analyze their stupid signings. Skins are far from perfect but all he did there was bring up the bad signings most of them from like 8 years ago. For every Deion there is a Springs. For every Archuleta there is a London Fletcher. We hit and miss on players just like every other franchise. That guy is just another windbag.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 1, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone think it would be out of the question to take Chris Wells,RB-Ohio St.? This would bea great one two punch out of the back field. Of course we would have to sure up the line first. Wells is a bruser.

Posted by: rcjordan44 | March 1, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

@ Posse81_83_84

Learn how to read. Mosley works for ESPN. He is not a beat reporter for the cowgirls. He covers the NFC East.

He's right on the mark with that article, even if you can't admit it.

Posted by: washcapsfan | March 1, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Oh and all those years we were winning FA's, two of those orchastrated by Gibbs I should add we never signed the best player at his position.

We signed over the hill guys in 2000.

In 2004 we actually made some good pickups Wash, Springs and some others.

In 2006 Gibbs lost his mine with Arch. GG wanted him, Lloyd AS wanted him, but we landed Fletcher who was a great pickup.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I didn't want us to aquire A.H. but now that we have it is what it is, I just hope he stays healthy and lives up to the hype and salary. I like that we got Dockery back now we need to shore up the right side of the line Thomas and Jansen need to be replaced so that we don't have to run to the left all the time and have the same break down on the right during pass plays. we should draft OT at 13(Smith?), then OLB, OG, and a speed back to change up and spell Portis.

Posted by: 72Redskins | March 1, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse


I felt the same as you about the Haynesworth deal, but it is starting to grow on me. I agree with your accessment needs. We need to get OT, OLB, and a speed back for sure. This is what I would do, call me crazy. I hope to trade down and get both a OT and LB in the first two rounds. I would then package montgomery and betts and try to get a 2nd round pick and pickup a break away back. Portis and Betts are two much alike to change the pace. We need someone that get break the long run.

Posted by: Redskins001 | March 1, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Mosely work for the Dallas Morning news for 7 years until 07. And went to Baylor.

I said the Skins are far from perfect. The article is one sided and a waste of time so you can learn to comprehend.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 1, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

rcjordan44: "There really are only 4 OT worth taking with the 13th pick. 1. J. Smith- baylor 2. E. Monroe-Virginia 3. A. Smith-Alabama 4. M. Oher-Mississippi. After that its not worth the hi pick. If all are gone at 13 then we should take a LB or DE."

That's probably true. Amazing that a draft could shake out with four, count them, four OTs in the first dozen picks. Tells you something about the skill positions, doesn't it? Crabtree is the only real exception, and he's hurt.

I doubt all those OTs will go that high, however. As much as Jason Smith has climbed, Andre Smith and Michael Oher have fallen. It's quite possible the Skins would have a chance to choose between both.

Now that could mean a trade. Since Andre and Oher both have problems, maybe Vinny would get an offer to trade down in the first, for an extra third or fourth round pick. If that happens, I bet he grabs it.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Here is a scenerio that I could see happening. Lions take Curry or Jason Smith with the first pick. Then, if sanchez is available at 13, redskins trade the pickup for the lions 20th pick and 33rd pick. That way we could draft Laurenitis and Britton.

Posted by: Redskins001 | March 1, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Posse81_83_84

Still struggling, huh? "Mosely work"?? Did you even make it out of the second grade?Since you have limited brain power, let me break it down for you. Mosely isn't one sided, when the Skins do something good, he reports it. When they do something stupid, he reports it. He also slams the cowgirls when they do stupid stuff. Maybe you should read more than one blog before you make statements like that.

Posted by: washcapsfan | March 1, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Shally, good to read you're still posting. I am looking for guys who used to post regularly during the wonderful OBC years.

Lots of interesting posts, but the best recent one is on the Patriots. BB wouldn't do his mother a favor is right on. The Patriots didn't need Cassels but the can use the #2. If they draft smartly, they can pick up a guy who can be with them for years, at a reasonable price. They don't need a QB.

It's interesting how they pick up these aging runners who contribute for 1 maybe 2 years and help them get into the playoffs where it's anybody's game.

Kind of reminds me of what the Yankees used to do with aging hitters, 1 maybe 2 years and a couple of more championships.

If there is a model NFL franchise today, it's the Patriots. IMHO, one of the reasons is Kraft lets the NFL professionals do their job, with some input from Kraft. Reminds me of the Squire.

Posted by: pjente | March 1, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I read on one mock draft that M. Oher, OT- Mississippi landed with the Skins. It said this guy is a guard/ right tackle. I believe that RT is our major issue. Sounds like a fit to me.

Posted by: rcjordan44 | March 1, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

washcapsfan - No man, I couldn't cut getting through 2nd grade. I didn't realize I was being graded on spelling and grammar you toolbox. All Mosely did was mention a handful of bad signings we have made over the last 10 years. That is some great insight but you can keep on jocking him if you like.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 1, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

redskins001: "Lions take Curry or Jason Smith with the first pick. Then, if sanchez is available at 13, redskins trade the pickup for the lions 20th pick and 33rd pick. That way we could draft Laurenitis and Britton."

Now that would be a good outcome for the Skins. Not so sure Sanchez would draw that high a combo in trade, however. More like a third rounder.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Posse81_83_84

STILL missing the point. I give up. Continue being stupid; it's what you do best!

Posted by: washcapsfan | March 1, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Stop wasting time and get Michael Vick. Redskins will never win with current QB.

Posted by: xheynowx | March 1, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

For all of us who disparage ESPN's Cowboy-bias...

John Clayton just did an interview on the Eric Kasilias (please, God, let a meteor land on Colin Cowherd's lawn and release a cosmic gas that removes his ability to speak so that EK can take over his show) Show where he assigned the following grades:

Cowboys trade: C minus- "they have significantly weakened their defense to address (not improve, mind you) their back-up offense"

AH Signing: A plus -- said if there were a grade higher than A+ he would assign that instead

Clayton went on to question why it seems anytime Jerrah makes a move it is branded as a bold success; while young Danny is castigated for any and everything he does. (no mention of the Leigh Torrence decsion, however)

I still have my doubts about the AH signing and what it will do to team chemistry and our ability to sign our own young talent after they blossom into stars (presuming, of course, any do), but I now have even more fondness for that funny little Clayton guy after he shined the light on the Dallas mouthpiece that is his employer.

Either way...82 in LaJolla today, so I'm off to the beach. Sorry about the weather watch back in DC...

Cheers and HTTR!

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 1, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

What the hell's wrong with Snyder?

I check out RI this morning and NO news?

How come Dan 'n' Vin's Traveling Medicine Show has struck again? Why haven't they haven't signed, inked, or locked down Chris Canty and T..J. Houshmannotochocinco, and Mike Vick and Pacman and Manny Ramirez, and Beyonc and Wally the Disco catching Wunderhound and Deion and Bruce and Madonna and Chuckles the Clown and the Ba'ath Party, and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir...

Come on Snyder WAKE UP and GET BUSY!!!


Us, ADD buy-a-champeenship fans must be constantly fed with Hope!

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

All the Redskins do is piss people off with every move they make. I however tend to be positive. But why should the skins stop now? They should take Chris Well RB- Ohio St. That would be a great weapon to compliment CP. I know most of us agree the skins should take a OT or LB at 13, but what a backfield that would be!

Posted by: rcjordan44 | March 1, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

++++MrRedskin,

Cork tried to say the same thing yesterday about Snyder signing Stubblefield, it's funny how some people will totally lie to try and make a point.

If they are not lying then they are both very stupid.

Posted by: Flounder21+++

Nooo Airbrains, not stupid or lying, I have a LIFE. I'm not such a stat-head Nerd I check and double check every word that goes on a BLOG for crissakes.

So I'm wrong about Stubby? My intention was correct and my heart remains as pure as the driven snow.

And now, if you'll be so kind, take off your own stupid cap and Riddle me this,.

Is snyder so freaking DUMB he didn't know Stumblefield and Dan Wilkinson were both greatly overpaid, huge busts, and didn't bring in a Superbowl?

Is Snyder sooooo stupid, he pays no attention to prior team mistakes.... Oh, wait, actually he does..

As for your comment about "some people will totally lie to make a point," allow me to channel john Fogerty... and note that you, in trying to make a point, instead point the cannon right at you.


Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Amen Cork! Don't worry about that d-bag flounder........

Posted by: washcapsfan | March 1, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

+++zcezcest1,

Good post about the cap ramifications. The point is, however, it isn't exactly HELL when you still can nab the top defensive talent out there - it's more like cap purgatory.+++--BANGKOKEN

Well put Bangkoken... The 'skins are indeed in Purgatory, that place which is neither the Hell of last place embarrassment, nor the heaven of making the Super Bowl.

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

So I'm wrong about Stubby? My intention was correct and my heart remains as pure as the driven snow.
Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 12:02 PM |
----------------------------

What intention was that?

To try and lay the Stubblefield signing off on an owner (Snyder) who wasn't even in place at the time?

Well then, yes, your intention was obvious, if not "correct."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 1, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Amen Cork! Don't worry about that d-bag flounder........

Posted by: washcapsfan | March 1, 2009 12:05 PM |

F-U and get off of Mosley d!ck, he is not the end all in sports reporting.

Clayton who is more repected then Mosley ever could be said it was a great move.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

Good morning I see a good night sleep didn't help you with your problem, go back to sleep.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

+++ Amen Cork! Don't worry about that d-bag flounder........

Posted by: washcapsfan | +++

But I do, because dagnabbit, at heart I'm a Humanitarian.

And I weep, thinking of poor Flounder down there in an oxygen starved environment, surrounded by trussed up Mafia dons, Whale sh!t, and rusted out Buicks.

He spends most of his sad lonely days lying there with both eyes on the same side of his head, desperately thinking up new ways to defend the FO and trying to type out coherent posts with his stubby little flippers.

Gotta go take another anti-depressant. You've got the con.

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if the skins are still on the hook for JT's 8 million this year, or have they restructed his contract?

Posted by: TWISI | March 1, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

ahhh, poor flounder! I didn't mean to hurt your little feelings! Touched a nerve, didn't I?

Posted by: washcapsfan | March 1, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

But I do, because dagnabbit, at heart I'm a Humanitarian.

And I weep, thinking of poor Flounder down there in an oxygen starved environment, surrounded by trussed up Mafia dons, Whale sh!t, and rusted out Buicks.

He spends most of his sad lonely days lying there with both eyes on the same side of his head, desperately thinking up new ways to defend the FO and trying to type out coherent posts with his stubby little flippers.

Gotta go take another anti-depressant. You've got the con.

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 12:20 PM |

Cork,

It's better then hanging out in JLC's lap all day were your head is buried.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if the skins are still on the hook for JT's 8 million this year, or have they restructed his contract?

Posted by: TWISI | March 1, 2009 12:21 PM |

I think he is 8.5, no restructure has been announced.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse


+++RE: Posted by: jandlml | February 28, 2009 9:15 PM

"I've been reading the posts the past few days and here are my quick hits:

1. AH will be a monster. Count on it.
2. Bringing back Dock makes this a great weekend.
3. JLC hates the skins-as he should. His team is basically the step child across town.
4. Much as we may hate it-Danny and his twin are going nowhere.
5. Deregulation started under Reagen- early to mid 80's. Look it up. As a matter of fact he pretty much ran on it.
6. Draft the best OT with 13, a LB in the 3rd and a couple of guards after that.

Another off-season SB. Gotta love it."++++

Jandlml--

How cool was your post?

If you happen to be a tall blond chick who isn't Ann Coulter, I want to marry you. If you ARE Ann Coulter, I'll try to set you up with my sister--she's into dudes with prominent Adam's Apples.

Don't be a stranger. Rational types with a sense of humor are greatly outnumbered here.


Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

WARNING! Washington Metro Area Residents WARNING!

"!!!ThunderSNOW!!!" is on its way! -capital weather gang

Posted by: dealer1 | March 1, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

So it took less than a year for LaVar's lounge to have a murder.

That makes 5 or 6 murders at the Blvd Cap Centre in a year......

Crazy

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 1, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

ahhh, poor flounder! I didn't mean to hurt your little feelings! Touched a nerve, didn't I?

Posted by: washcapsfan | March 1, 2009 12:23 PM |

No you didn't touch a nerve, honestly I could give to sh!ts about someone who post on here once a year, and probably knows less about football then my daughter.

I just don't let anyone attack me without saying something back, so go back to the Caps bandwagon until they start losing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

+++Cork,

It's better then hanging out in JLC's lap all day were your head is buried.

Posted by: Flounder21++++

Nice comeback. Now I feel guilty for having insulted half-witted bottom-feeding fish by comparing you to them.

Sorry, fish.

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Nice comeback. Now I feel guilty for having insulted half-witted bottom-feeding fish by comparing you to them.

Sorry, fish.

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 12:34 PM |

Thats OK Cork I'm sure the fish will forgive you.

I think it would be good to have a real conversation with you about the team, but since you have a one track brain you make it difficult.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

With all the hell that Snyder catches (some deserved, some not), this is why they haven't won...

1) Gibbs overcommitted to veterans, sent draft picks away, and was not good at developing young players.

Posted by: rickyroge

One more time for the slow kids in the back row.

Gibbs was NEVER great at evaluating talent to acquire. That's what Beatherd did.

So you can't blame Gibbs for not developing players who weren't any good in the first place.

When provided the raw talent by Bobby B (May, Grimm, Jacobi--to mention three drafted/FA linemen), he and his staff sure as hell DID develop young talent.

Rookie owner and Fanboy Snyder didnt' have the clout/ gumption/option of getting Gibbs to accept a quality GM/ Personnel guy over him. And Snyder wouldn't know oneif he bit him on the azz,

So the GIGO rule applied. Vinny & Co. did the groundwork and scouting, then Gibbs took that bad information and turned it into some bad picks and trades.

I'm not doubting that Gibbs came back out of date. But he'd have don a LOT better with help from the rest of the FO.


Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Damn did Jasno just give up posting since he hasn't called anything right or timely?

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 1, 2009 9:27 AM

He did. You guys slammed him so bad for whiffing on Dock that he slunk back into his hole and won't come out.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 1, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

Sure you can blame Gibbs, if he was no good at it, he had full authority to hire someone who was good at it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | March 1, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The 'skins are indeed in Purgatory, that place which is neither the Hell of last place embarrassment, nor the heaven of making the Super Bowl.

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 12:06 PM

Let's see. They're not in last place. They're not in first place. They're in purgatory. That describes the 'Skins perfectly. It also describes 29 other teams.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 1, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

The Skins offensive line was half set with the reacquisition of LG Dockery. If either Clark or Geisinger become an effective backup T, then SLB could be a more pressing need vs RT... Offensively, they still need to sign or draft a backup C/G and either a backup G/T or a backup RG. Oher, Robinson, or Mack would be excellent early round draft picks for the OL... [Trade down from #13, if Oher or Orakpo are not available]

Projected --
Starting OL: Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, and Heyer

Backup OL: Jansen, Rinehart, Draft Pick, Clark/Geisinger

Sorting out the starting and backup SLB and LDE positions are the primary tasks for the defense. They may utilize Taylor, Haynesworth, and Phillips (yes, he's still signed for two more years) at DE. We still have no idea if Buzzbee or Jackson are any good at DE. The Skins might play Taylor at SLB. They have to draft or sign at least two more LBs (including Campbell) and need to determine if either Sinclair or Wallace are good enough at backup OLB/Special Teams. Orakpo, Matthews, or Crushing would all be good selections at backup SLB...

Projected --
Starting DL: Carter, Griffin, Haynesworth, Phillips

Backup DL: Taylor, Buzzbee, Jackson, Golston, Montgomery, Alexander

Starting LB: Taylor, Fletcher, McIntosh

Backup DL: Draft Pick, Blades, Campbell, Sinclair/Wallace?

Special teams were a disaster last year. I'm surprised the coach was not replaced. However, we know at least the punter will be. Suisham will get competition and must kick better than last year to stick around -- as personally I would have cut the worst kicker in the NFL. Maybe the gunner (Thrash) and PR (Randel El) roles can be replaced by one of the speedy CFL RBs (Dorsey). They need to draft backup LB and OL players who excel at special teams.

Posted by: siris | March 1, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

All joking and name calling aside this is terrible I hope they are OK.

REPORT: MARQUIS COOPER, COREY SMITH ON BOAT
Posted by Mike Florio on March 1, 2009, 12:48 p.m. EST
The Tampa Tribune has the names of two of the NFL players who have been reported missing on a boat off the coast of Clearwater, Florida.

They are linebacker Marquis Cooper of the Raiders and defensive end Corey Smith of the Lions.

A third person, identified as Nick Skyler, also is on the boat. We can find no evidence on the Internet (including NFL.com’s current and former player search tool) that he is or has been on an NFL roster.

A fourth person, possibly another NFL player, is believed to be on the boat.

The Coast Guard is searching a 750-square mile area for the 21-foot fishing boat.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to think that we'll keep our #13 and draft either Maualuga, Andre Smith, or...

KNOWSHON ROCKWELL MORENO


come on, Knowshon would be right up the alley for us! Not necessarily an area of immediate concern, but kinda a flashy pick!

And let me be the first to say I'd love it! I admit it wouldn't be the best choice for next year, but Knowshon is a beast and will have a good career!


REDSKINS4KNOWSHON@13

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 1, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I agree on the Special Teams addage, OLB shift with Taylor, making it difficult for QB's to throw OVER three distinct points in the line (Carter, Taylor and AH). I believe a healthy team is one that fends off injuries by playing well together, not stupid show boating. The no nonsense Steelers personafied this for their run. We need guys to fill in at the OL and be able to transition themselves for ST each and every moment. True FOOTBALL players love the game, not just athletes looking for checks. When a TRUE player is on ST, he is looking to set someone on their a** or break a long one, Each and EVERY TIME the grass allows them to show their love.
Love the game, and love setting folks on their a**!

Posted by: kurtbw | March 1, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I can see uss picking a RB that is different from CP @ 13.

Thats better than getting a RT....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 1, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't disagree with notion that the o-line needs to be improved but I don't think you will many changes there. Here's why:

Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas and Jansen all are earning starting money. Releasing any of these guys would be negative to the cap. Then Heyer is a solid back-up. If Rinehart can play he is still around. That's six/seven on the team. That leaves about two spots that shouldn't get starter money.

If 13 is a T, he will get starter $, then there is room for one more guy who will likely be just a guy.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 1, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse
That's right, bkb. What most people are forgetting is that we have to go into the season with 53 on the team. We have to build for that team.

I think #13 should be OT(assuimg 1 of top 4 is still available), then look to LB, then look for help on special teams or a speed RB.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Actually, scratch that.

There were no RBs withfast 40 times this year......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 1, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Here's some good news, finally. The New Orleans Aints tendered Leigh Torrence at the lowest level. We could make him an offer and if the Aints don't match it then we get him without any compensation to the Aints. I know its a steal, but thats why theyre the Aints and we're not.

Go get him, Vinnie!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 1, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

and how come no one is talking about that punter (or kicker? Does it really matter?) that ran like a 4.4 40 and out-benched a bunc h of first round DL/OL/LB!?!


Obviously Vinny C. wants this guy and is prepared to trade #13 and a third round pick for Detroit's #1 to draft him!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 1, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

When VH1 casts Tool Academy 2 they can recruit from RI!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 1, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

how about trading down, getting more picks and get an O-lineman and a couple LB's. I think LB is a weak link on the team. Fletch is ok, but getting old.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | March 1, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The Truth does not believe in this thing you call "ThunderSnow".


Lies.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 1, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

If the skins get extra picks on the second day of the draft, then Icould see them using it on a RB. I think another possibility besides LB, and OL in the first, would be someone likly would make a difference in the return game, helping to shorten the field for the offense, and could be a depth guy on the offense (Maclin, Harvin).

Posted by: TWISI | March 1, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

how about trading down, getting more picks and get an O-lineman and a couple LB's. I think LB is a weak link on the team. Fletch is ok, but getting old.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | March 1, 2009 1:30 PM

Mike, We're not trading down. What we're going to do is trade next year`s first for a second this year. Probably with NE. So, we can take a LB in the second.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 1, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

No to trading down. The team is clearly making a run for a title in the next 2 years. The number one need by far is an immediate upgrade at offensive tackle. Picking at #13 should provide that to us.

Then a LB in the 3rd round, a DE in the 5th, and a LB in the 6th.

That is, unless, we can get Angelo Crowell as well. If that happens, DE can take the 3rd round picks place, and we can take an OG in the 5th round.

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Cl - You got caught up in the VH1 reality phonem?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 1, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Who is this Phillips guy Siris referes to? could that be Phillip Daniels? If so, Phillip Daniels contract voided and he is not on the roster, if you go to redskins.com and look at the roster you can see for yourself, he aint there. Also, Geisenger is a guard/center and Clark is a guard, neither of them will ever be backup tackles. other than that, good analysis though.....lol

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

BEEP

Posted by: TWISI | March 1, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

4th if its pop culture i know about it....strictly anthropological....might be pathetic but true.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 1, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Still overpaid considering the only other interested team was last place Detroit. Snyder wasting cap money. Dockery is a winner with 2 signing bonuses in a few years.

Posted by: jercha | March 1, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Jason... You got nothing more to say? You rip the team all year long about the lines and we sign Haynesworth, bring back Dock and you still having nothing to say positive.. I heard you on ESPN the other day and everything you said was negative.. Didn't surprize me though

Everyone jumps on Danny boy for opening his wallet but if someone else paid Haynesworth $100mil That team would get all the praise in the world.. But noooo not our redskins..

I personaly have no problem with these signings.. Bringing back Dock is great IMO. Portis had some great years running behind him and he already knows the system. Run wise anyway.. Haynesworth is a beast. We are getting 2 guys just into their primes.. Not like in the past when they signed over the hill players for a ton of money..

I still think with Haynesworth that Taylor and Carter are in for great years.. Watch..

Posted by: tom_gillespie74 | March 2, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

jercha, you don't know they were the only ones interested.. just because they tried trading for him doesn't mean they were the only ones interested... If the redskins were the only ones interested the signing would have happened quicker.

Posted by: tom_gillespie74 | March 2, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Prediction for the combination FA and Draft on Redskins gaps:

1. LB only in bottom of first (if competition heats up).

2. OL, preferrably a guy that's a natural OT, with good, fast feet, hands and push. That way, he's not just a good fit for pass blocking, but we can get good mobility from him.

FA possibility to offset slow development of two two year WR's (Kelly, Thomas). Though they may be pop with some, popularity gets no wins. We need a player with consistency, dependability, young. So I choose:
Nate Washington at 6-1 around 185-190 lbs, good, clutch receiver, very athletic, but most of all, what I call a football player first, because he knows the game, the sticks, the needs of the O and QB rescue moves. He's a FA from the Pittsburgh Steelers.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7492

Second choice is a trade with extra RB, and WR, as a result from this, for Antonio Bryant from the Tampa Bay Bucks. Doable, kept in favorable numbers, leaves room to sign rookies, walkons, etc.

Posted by: kurtbw | March 2, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I like the moves, but everyone needs to stop getting so excited. I'll take a wait and see approach to see if we made a good deal or not!

Posted by: SkinsFan4LifeSva | March 3, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

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