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McNabb Still Doesn't Feel the Love

Eagles QB Donovan McNabb just doesn't care much for the Skins. He was pretty perturbed after Washington came back from being down 14-0 to win at Philly early this season. (How odd does that sound -- the Redskins came back from being down two touchdowns to win?) At that time, he spoke about how he didn't think the better team had won.

On Sunday night, McNabb took another little shot at the Skins. Sure, they were reeling and all, but it's an NFC East grudge match. Anything can happen, right? Any given Sunday and all of that.

Here's what McNabb had to say:

"I feel we could control our own destiny. This is frustrating to come out here and play a team we knew we could beat. We made mistakes and mis-opportunities; it's tough for us to swallow at this particular point. Only thing we can do is kind of regroup and learn from our mistakes and be ready for next week."

Sure, it wasn't the most explosive rhetoric, but the Eagles aren't exactly a juggernaut themselves, what with McNabb getting benched in Baltimore and the tie in Cincinnati and all of that. His 70 passer rating wasn't exactly something to celebrate, either.

Just sayin' ...

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 22, 2008; 3:30 PM ET
 
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WinSkins 2 CheeseSteaks0

Posted by: alex35332 | December 22, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

McNabb's Eagles have been, according to him, better than the Redskins TWICE this year now, yet they have zero wins to show for it.

How does that work?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 22, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

F McNabb, and he killed me in fantasy too, 4 points? Thanks dude.....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Truth,
Its all that pollution in the air when he is driving round south jersey. It has rotted his mind.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 22, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Let's just pick 2 games ... one conference, one in the division at home. It would have been nice to have treated the Cowboys the same way ... and not to have screwed up against the Rams. That's 2 victories. One can see losing to the Giants twice. They are 12 and 3 after all.

It doesn't hurt as much to lose to the Ravens and Bengals. But you really should beat Dallas at home just because, well its DALLAS!!! YOU ARE NEVER MEDIUM when it comes to DALLAS. And the Rams? That should have been won as well as JLC points out.

Those 2 games would have been enough to clinch a playoff berth for this team.

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

At least they tied Cinncinati. We couldn't even do that good. Hard to blame McNabb when he had at least 2 td passes dropped. Both of which were long throws greater than 20 yards.
We can even get a pass off that goes for 20 yards.
Anyway, I'm officially an Eagles fan for this, so I hope he's motivated to kill the cowboys hopes. Go Donovan!

Posted by: Predator48 | December 22, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

CL that is what you get for rooting for an iggle

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 22, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I meant to say I a eagles fan for this WEEK!
Only this week.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 22, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

McNabb will end up where next year?

a. Chicago
b. Minnesota
c. Miami
d. a Bench
e. Philadelphia

Posted by: alex35332 | December 22, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

suck it donovan...you lost...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

At least McNabb understands NFC East football. As does Fletcher, Antonio Pierce, and now Jason Taylor. :)

Comparing the stats and given his performance it looks to me like you keep Taylor and possible loose ties with Andre' Carter. We'll have to see how HE performs against his old team. I think the glowing recommendation for Taylor by Blache would be enough for me to resign that guy. Never heard him say that about Carter.

Yep, JT was right, this dog can still hunt.

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"McNabb will end up where next year?

a. Chicago
b. Minnesota
c. Miami
d. a Bench
e. Philadelphia"

If I had to guess ... Baltimore or Washington.

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

McNabb will end up where next year?

a. Chicago
b. Minnesota
c. Miami
d. a Bench
e. Philadelphia


Posted by: alex35332 | December 22, 2008 3:49 PM

e. Did you see Kolb play when McNabb was benched?

Posted by: Predator48 | December 22, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

We aren't deserving of the playoffs, but if our D is ALMOST as good next year and our offense is average(how 'bout averaging 20/game and eclipsing the 30 point mark a couple times)we'll be better off. And let's not forget, it doesn't hurt to be a little lucky. Nothings ever been won without it.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 22, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

al, I think that Chicago makes a play for him. You've gotta think that after spending a 1st on Kold, Philly has got to find out what they have in him?? Chicago hasn't had a top notch qb since McMahon..

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

TE ... not looking down on the win. But it was close to meaningless. 9-7 or 7-9 is pretty much the same record. Good enough to be in the hunt for much of the year, not good enough to play with the big kids.

The last 2 games of the season are about the future. Was there was something we learned yesterday about our young players?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is a moron who didn't know that an NFL game can end in a tie.

And yeah, he consistently says after losing games that the better team didn't win (he has said that not only about the Redskins but also about the Bears, when the Iggles lost 24-20 to Chi).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 22, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

So ... let me ask ... if you could make it work as Skins GM, would you go after McNabb?

Posted by: Cindy Boren | December 22, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is a baby. I used to like him now he's just a whiny girl.

Posted by: Gweez | December 22, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't really see much wrong with McNabb's comments here. The comments after the first game were worse. Maybe he should check his history though since we won 3 of the last 4 against them and would have been 4 of 4 if we could have stopped that stupid screen pass to Westbrook last year. F Donovan, I hope he stays in Philly and they have a 4-12 debacle before kicking him to the curb.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | December 22, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Comparing the stats and given his performance it looks to me like you keep Taylor and possible loose ties with Andre' Carter. We'll have to see how HE performs against his old team. I think the glowing recommendation for Taylor by Blache would be enough for me to resign that guy. Never heard him say that about Carter.

Yep, JT was right, this dog can still hunt.

Posted by: periculum |

Excellent thinking. Carter has a long term deal, but not sure about his cap hit at this point. He's backup quality getting star wages. Taylor is no worse. If healthy, Taylor is probably better, maybe much better. Getting Taylor at a reduced price and loosing Carter makes a lot of sense, if the cap issue is manageable.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Z;

yes, I say Wild Child looked good. Got good separation on those two sideline routes and made good catches, also good toe tapping on the one.

Who knows, if our O gets more dynamic next year we can look for more wr's in pass patterns opening up more catches for #11.

Betts looked good catching out of the backfield.

We need a good young runner to pair with him and portis, one who can break a long one. Any chance Tashard Choice gets outta big D?

Posted by: Zeebs | December 22, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

F f'n McNabb

Should've, could've, would've, you whiney little beyotch!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, no way, maybe 5 years ago, when he could move around, but my time machine is broken.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Add to that, i dont think it would hurt us if Betts being in the backfield means we will be throwing it, tipping the D. If you have enuf pass cathers making good routes, and a QB who can read that, we should be able to get completions.

Brady and Casell do it all day. What might the two differences be between our o and theirs?

Posted by: Zeebs | December 22, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I'd sign Michael Vick before McNabb.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 22, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Oline and time for the QB... if you were wondering...

Posted by: Zeebs | December 22, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

My time machine is working just fine.

Sammy Baugh for punter/CB '09??

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 22, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

mcnabb for the Skins? NO. If we were the proverbial 'one player away', you'd have to think about it. But we are not and he's not a huge upgrade

Think about, and you realize that the Skins and iggles have similar strengths and weaknesses. A great RB who can't make it healthy through an entire season. Mediocre WRs. A OL that isn't quite good enough and puts the QB at risk. Good defense (though philly has a pass rush).

Really similar.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, Vinny might think that we are one player away...

Posted by: Zeebs | December 22, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

So ... let me ask ... if you could make it work as Skins GM, would you go after McNabb?

Posted by: Cindy Boren | December 22, 2008 3:57 PM

Absolutely! If 24 RI posters could do a GM job better than Vinny Cerrato, an actual NFL player would be WAY better to have as the Skins GM. McNabb for Skins GM!! Make it so!

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,
I agree with Beantown Gregg. I would not make the move. Even 5 years ago I don't think I would. McNabb is not a QB I want for most systems these days, I think he would do a lot better in a Run first system with a few decent WR's.

You cant take the years to build around McNabb at this point but you have to put him in a spot where he has the line and players already there to go.

I look at Minn as an okay fit he knows the HC, good RB, good line, but who you throw too?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 22, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

We are 1 player away... at 10 postions on the football field and an injury free season.

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 22, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Zeebs, Devin Thomas looked good? Progress? Others up here agree? 1 catch, 17 yards doesn't sound inspiring ...

I guess I knew Betts (and Portis, despite the drops) would be good catching passes out of the backfield. Maybe the point is that Zorn is willing to use them that way more.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"CL that is what you get for rooting for an iggle

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 22, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse"

I know I know but the championship is so close! C'mon Matt Forte!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Looking ahead at Salary Cap implications:

Samuels, Chris $9,378,000
Springs, Shawn $8,484,000
Taylor, Jason $8,000,000 (base salary only)
Moss, Santana $6,753,000
Carter, Andre $6,599,000
Washington, Marcus $6,521,000
Griffin, Cornelius $6,166,000
Randle-El, Antwaan $6,119,000
Portis, Clinton $6,030,000
Thomas, Randy $5,752,000
Landry, LaRon $4,350,000
Smoot, Fred $4,150,000
Rabach, Casey $3,650,000
Jansen, Jon $3,413,000
Brunell, Mark $3,114,000
Cooley, Chris $3,053,000
Collins, Todd $2,500,000
Rogers, Carlos $2,423,000
Taylor, Sean $2,095,000
Daniels, Phillips $2,057,000
Betts, Ladell $2,033,000
Lloyd, Brandon $1,833,000
Patten, David $1,525,000
Wade, Todd $1,266,000
McIntosh, Roger $1,085,000
Thomas, Devin $1,072,000
Cartwright, Rock $1,045,000
James, Erasmus $1,003,000

The rest are under a million and/or need to be renegotiated. Clearly Jason Taylor could/would be renegotiated.

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"I look at Minn as an okay fit he knows the HC, good RB, good line, but who you throw too?" -alex35332

Who does he throw to now?

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 22, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry -- toobad about mcnabb and the FF points. Me, I got ZERO FF points because the league ended last week. Will post later about how many I woulda gotten this week. It woulda been HUGE!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

How is

Lloyd, Brandon $1,833,000
Patten, David $1,525,000

Shouldn't their salary cap hits already be off the book because they were accelerated to the year they were cut?

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 22, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Z, i thought he made 2 catches. ok, nevermind. at least he did the toe tap? I saw him block once too?

Maybe not

Posted by: Zeebs | December 22, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Who does he throw to now?

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 22, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Thats my point same problems that he has now. If Minn wanted to win desperately all they would need would be a good QB and a good WR and boom.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"I look at Minn as an okay fit he knows the HC, good RB, good line, but who you throw too?" -alex35332

Who does he throw to now?

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 22, 2008 4:13 PM

Jason Avant ... who coughs up only a single fantasy point (while Mushin Muhammed sits on the bench earning 8 ... I'm thinking Coach dcsween definitely gets canned before Coach Zorn).

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I stole Rod Gardner's SUV. That was me.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"CL that is what you get for rooting for an iggle

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 22, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse"

I know I know but the championship is so close! C'mon Matt Forte!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse


No doubt, down 12 points with Forte going tonight. Thanks for the 1.5 points Warner.

Posted by: Gweez | December 22, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Peri -- are those the hits we take if we cut the guy, or the hit we take if we keep them?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

... If Minn wanted to win desperately all they would need would be a good QB and a good WR and boom.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 22, 2008 4:17 PM

That would explain the desperate drafting of Mike Williams and Troy Williamson, and the desperately not adding a QB and starting the season with Tavaris Jackson ... and desperately going back to the shelf for Gus Frerotte.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

*** FF ***

Gweez, CL -- I woulda set a league record for FF points this week. I think I'd be over it now (150 points) with Rivers (4TD tosses), D Williams (4tds + 100 yds), Reggie Wayne and Larry Fitzgerald (both 100+ yds with a TD). I woulda been awesome.

Oh well

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't really matter who you can beat when you don't...know what I mean Donovan? When it came to put up or shut up time, you had nothing...so now it is time to shut up.

Posted by: skins9and7 | December 22, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

The Skins need to get the ball to their receivers when they're going upfield or running crossing routes. These outs and hooks are high-percentage, but you get no run after the catch. Is this a problem with their offense, the receivers, the QB or the line>

Posted by: dpc2003 | December 22, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Well Well Well McSoftie, is Running his mouth again.

He really does belong in philly, the eagles and there fans talk allot of smack. "For a team haven't won Sh!t".

When it comes to achieving the BIG WIN, McSoftie folds up like a lawn chair.

I hate to say it, but T.O, was right McSoftie,, is weak.

News flash to McSoftie,
If they made a movie about the Superbowl, and the eagles where in it,,,you would loose.

Posted by: dashriprock | December 22, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Sween,
Whats your point.

If you think about it Frerotte proves some of my point. A dumbo for sure but he has been around so long that you cant really suprise him with any new blitzs and he was good enough to win a few... If they were to go after Donny Diva and one or two good WR's then they are looking at the most sold team in the North.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 22, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"So ... let me ask ... if you could make it work as Skins GM, would you go after McNabb?

Posted by: Cindy Boren | December 22, 2008 3:57 PM"

Again, it all depends on what your long-term strategy is. If you think you can get deep into the playoffs with the defense you have (YES with very few adjustments/improvments). If you think he could offer a significant improvement to the offense. (YES with some caveats).

HOWEVER, as many point out the OL desperately needs an influx of new talent. Samuels and Jansen appear to now be injury prone. They may now be at that stage that Jacoby, Bostic, and Lachey reached toward the end. You basically gave away a young starting guard to Buffalo. Your starting guards are aging rapidly. Your center isn't young. You have 1 "replacement" by sheer luck currently playing left tackle. The others are much less than adequate.

You have one receiver, a deep threat, not a possession type. You have an aging, slightly above average running back. A better than average replacement with fumble-itis. One or 2 tight ends? (Davis? Like Vernon with SF? Stoopid??)

And you still really desperately need to sign Hall, Taylor and Springs to make it work while somehow parlaying / plugging ONLY 4 draft picks into those holes? FA pickups may be problematic if you carry both McNabb and JC on your roster.

Vinnie and Snidely Owl, Rockville's Dannah Montana probably need a "raise" in salary cap to cover their gross incompetence?

Probably not. Better, almost perfect fit for Baltimore. Better than McNair or Trent Dilfer. Probably would lead to a Superbowl for the Ravens.

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor is intriguing as Greg Blatche probably looked back at some old Dolphins' tape and applied some of the same concepts to yesterday's game.

It seems Blatche also hide his defensive ends 'pinching' rather than just taking direct up the field rush lanes-- another smart change.


Whereas I didn't like the move to get Taylor because of the pick that was lost, the Skins should try to get some value out of him next year.

I really liked the hybrid 4-3 switch to 3-4 look on passing downs where Taylor moved around to blitz or cover Westbrook out of the backfield. This defense-- with a Haynesworth type nose tackle-- is an excellent change for the Skins.

However, did Rocky Mac seem invisible yesterday? Maybe a free agent linebacker or Fincher needs to be in the mix next season.

Let's get some value out of Taylor and find a way to keep him for next years.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 22, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Interesting/sad that the DL has 3 of the 7 top cap numbers for the entire team. Griff/Taylor/Carter -- what's that, about $3million per sack?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I'd sign Michael Vick before McNabb.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 +++

That says loads about you!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 22, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Whatever, McNabb.

You will retire without ever having won a championship in Philly and will be another chapter in the story of that perenially losing franchise. On top of that your city hates you; those fans and media throw you under the bus every opportunity they get and there is nothing you can do to win them over. When T.O. threw you under the bus, you stood by and watched and virtually no one on that team came to your defense. You don't even know some of the basic rules of this game after having played it for like a decade, you moron.

...how's that for rhetoric.

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

The Linebackers are sooo weak, only weaker part of the team is the O-line IMO.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 22, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

thanks for coming Donny...

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | December 22, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

+++I would argue that being third in the NFL is stellar.

Posted by: Pleepleus+++

Yes, nothing wrong with being third. Just ask Alec Baldwin:

(Baldwin as) Blake: "We're adding a little something to this month's sales contest. As you all know, first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado….Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired."

From: “Glengarry Glen Ross” (GREAT Movie)

Posted by: TheCork | December 22, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Not sure how much to make of this. Sounded like a lot of empty seats at the game.

One of the bigger issues is the team's $$$ situation. May not be easy to get a grip on it. But my guess is Danny has lost a lot of $$$. If tix for games start getting easier, then the wait list is less valuable. Seems lots of comments up here on how many fans from other teams show up at Fed Ex.

My gut says that the waiting list for tix, which has been the real source of the value of this team, isn't so solid anymore.

I would not be shocked if Danny has trouble holding onto this team if the recession lasts.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

JC= retard

D-line= just a speed bump really.
O-line= the Berlin wall(asit was coming down)
Linebackers= the team has linebackers?(other than the ageless Fletch)
DB's= true strength of team, not just the D
RB's= aging and average now.
WR's= Moss and two overrated meatballs. The rooks must be like JC=retard.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 22, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else out there as sick as I am about how the NFL favors Dallas?

They give Dallas more home Prime Time games than anyone else, they let PacMan come back after a few games, they never call holding on their o-line, and now they move the Dallas/Philly game to 4pm.

Tampa will beat Oakland at 1pm, eliminating Philly from the playoffs, thus giving Dallas a huge advantage. Dallas wins and they're in. Where's the outrage?

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 22, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"Interesting/sad that the DL has 3 of the 7 top cap numbers for the entire team. Griff/Taylor/Carter -- what's that, about $3million per sack?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 4:26 PM"

Interesting thing is that you could probably (if you don't take a significant cap hit due to bonuses) drop Carter, Daniels and Griffin. Montgomery, Alexander, and Golston have progressed far,far better than their corollaries on offense. Pluse Evans. Play a 3-4 with Taylor as your 4th LB. Get another year or 2 out of Washington. Blades over McIntosh (knees). Draft someone at LB high. SIGN HALL, SPRINGS, ROGERS.

Focus the draft on the OL + RB. Get an RB who can be a "Westbrook" type. Think Charley Taylor, Art Monk. Get a possession type receiver somehow, or somehow convert the running back[s] you draft? :) It has always worked for them in the past. ALWAYS!

Lose Randle El, Thrash, the 2nd round flops.

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

McNabb? Limbaugh was right.

Posted by: SkinsfaninPeru | December 22, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

McNabb will end up where next year?

a. Chicago
b. Minnesota
c. Miami
d. a Bench
e. Philadelphia

My answer to this question:

F. WASHINGTON REDSKINS - The en vogue thing in the league is too start vet QBs. At 32, McNabb has an understanding of the West Coast offense that Campbell will never achieve in 5 years.

I believe Campbell still needs some time on the bench, working with Zorn to make his delivery quicker and decision making faster. Those sacks are his reluctance to take chances and his slow wind up. Seems like he regressed from his first half performance. McNabb takes chances and give ordinary receivers great chances to make a play.

Holmgren as GM, McNabb at QB, some big bodies on both lines and this team will do some things next year.


Posted by: SkinsFan4Life89 | December 22, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Peri -- all in favor of drafting the next Charley Taylor, Art Monk. Those HOF, all time reception leaders grow on trees, right?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

corky, good to hear from you!!!

Still think the team quit?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I like the title of this section.

When has mcnabb ... or ANY philly athlete, or Santa Claus, ever felt love in philly?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

+++The Linebackers are sooo weak, only weaker part of the team is the O-line IMO

Posted by: lsskinsfan+++

Well, yes and no. Fletcher remains a beast. Healthy Marcus Washington is a beast. Healthy Rocky Mac is pretty good. Blades has been playign well situationally.

But like so many other positions on this team Health IS an issue and makes thee position iffy.

Posted by: TheCork | December 22, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Got to say McNabb's got McNugetts to keep saying this. He's more right than wrong on this. By and large, the Eagles are technically the better team and should have won going away yesterday. Our D stood up big time....

Posted by: davebutz | December 22, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"Peri -- all in favor of drafting the next Charley Taylor, Art Monk. Those HOF, all time reception leaders grow on trees, right?"

Add Bobby Mitchell and you HAVE 3 top flight running backs converted to possession type receivers. To great effect. Albeit Mitchell was more of a "deep threat".

Maybe you are looking at the prototype in Brian Westbook? Just a bit taller, rangier. More speed if possible but not necessarily a burner like Moss etc.

Every time they draft a receiver who was a receiver in college ... HIGH, it ALWAYS fails.
But a running back? Have they tried that lately?

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

McNabb would not be traded to the Skins number 1. Two, why would we go after that over the hill, washed up whiny gas bag. I'd rather watch his mum pitch chicken soup all day than have him be our qb.

Posted by: Gweez | December 22, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

However, did Rocky Mac seem invisible yesterday? Maybe a free agent linebacker or Fincher needs to be in the mix next season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 22, 2008 4:25 PM

Based on reports from camp and performance in the preseason, Matt Sinclair should be back as well.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

periculum - you are in idiot.

"Draft someone at LB high... Focus the draft on the OL + RB"

Most people wait to contradict themselves in different posts. You my friend couldn't even muster up that much insight. You would NOT be one of the 24 RIs capable GMS.

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 22, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

McNabb really ticks me off - and the Eagles fans do not deserve to win anything (they boo EVERYTHING). However, I will be pulling for them on Sunday. Eagles absolutely must beat the Cowboys.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 22, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest, I wouldn't make too much of the FedEx absenteeism ... the gate numbers were still in the 80K plus range ... and it was REALLY cold (and cloudless) and windy yesterday. It was so cold yesterday, peeps at FedEx were shaking like Sarah Palin in a geography quiz.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

... Focus the draft on the OL + RB. ...

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 4:33 PM

Why draft RB when Priest Holmes is available in free agency?

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"McNabb will end up where next year?
If I had to guess ... Baltimore or Washington.
Posted by: periculum

Dude, you need to get your meds checked. Baltimore???
Have you seen a single game they've played this year? Any idea how happy the Ravens are with Joe Flacco?
No wonder you catch so much s**t here.
What color is the sky on your planet, Periculum?

Posted by: RedskinWillie | December 22, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

F McNabb, and he killed me in fantasy too, 4 points? Thanks dude.....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 3:41 PM

RI Fantasy Rule #1

Don't pick players outside the Redskins in the NFC East

(I played in 2 leagues and picked no Dal/Phi/NYG Players on my teams. I placed 3 rd in RI's League and I'm in the championship game this week in the other)

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 22, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

McIntosh and his knees have had it. He should now be considered "situational".

LB: Blades, Taylor, Washington, Fletcher.
McIntosh, Sinclair, Campbell, (HIGH draft
pick?)

DL: Montgomery, Evans, Golston, Alexander,
FA/draft pick

DB: Springs, Hall, Rogers, Horton, Moore, New FA / draft pick.

OL: Rauback, NEW Draft guard, NEW draft guard/tackle, Rhinehart, Heyer, Samuels, NEW Draft Tackle.

TE: Cooley, Davis (try again).

WR: Moss, NEW DRAFT Running back, one of Kelly or Devin Thomas, NEW FA? Draft receiver.

RB: Betts, New DRAFT Running back, Portis.

QB: JC + ????

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"If that's the case, than you should be clamoring for Zorn to lose his job now. Every other team seems to be able to move the ball down the field and score but us.

Posted by: DaReal4th"

You haven't been paying close enough attention. I've been saying Zorn was probably the root of the problems since before the Seattle game. The Cincinnati loss sent me over the edge.

I'd be fine with him if he showed any propensity for adjustments. Anything that hinted that his offensive scheme wasn't perfect. He showed it by talking about it for a day, then came right back around to his old self. He believes we're still "moving the ball in chunks" (we had 249 yards of TOTAL offense against Philly).

Seriously, this offense isn't THAT bad. People try to make it out like this is a no-talent, automatic no-win situation Zorn was put into. That's not even close to the case. What will it take to get a 20 ppg offense here? Are we going to need an 5-across all-pro offensive line? Will we have to get an Anquan Boldin on top of that? Because if that's what we're waiting for, it's going to take a LONG time for that to come to fruition. I simply get the feeling that ever part of our offense is under-utilized in this offense. I don't see a high ceiling based on this season. Upside? Sure, only because we've hit rock bottom.

Zorn has a long way to go as a tactician. He needs some serious mentoring in that department. At the pace he's going, this offense is destined for being average.

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse


corky, good to hear from you!!!

Still think the team quit?

Posted by: BeantownGreg

The previous week, with some exceptions, yes. This week, no.

It appeared having every one back healthy revitalized the defense, particularly.

I believe some people were playing for their jobs next year, too. And, of course, there's a lot of individual pride on that squad.


Posted by: TheCork | December 22, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I've changed my mind on Hall. DBs are crazy anyway and he appears to have the juju he lost in Oakland back. I'd make an effort to keep him, tho not at Mad Man Al Davis Money.

Also, impressed with the Plackster. Loved his dead-stop punting. I think

Fabini replaces Jansen as backup RT next year. M. Washington healthy, I love....But dude gets hurt a LOT.

Springs gets hurt too much--buh-bye.

Dunno the cap maneuverings, but if they can get Taylor to accept something appropriate for a third down situational pass rusher, he might be worth a re-look.

But he didn't last full time this year, and he wont' next.

But then nothing gets fixed until the Front Office is. Otherwise this is a end of the pack team, which finishes in the middle only because the owner spends through his exhaust pipe.

Posted by: TheCork | December 22, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

wish I had you this week in FF, 4th ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"Have you seen a single game they've played this year? Any idea how happy the Ravens are with Joe Flacco?"

Leading an offense that's even more anemic than the Redskins? Well, he is a rookie after all. He isn't playing like Atlanta's QB. He needs more seasoning.

McNabb would fit the Ravens system extremely well. And his "attitude" wouldn't be a problem ... not with Suggs and Ed Reed there.

In other words do you really think they will get to the Superbowl? Why didn't they stick with Dilfer who won? Nope, I think they would seriously consider McNabb as someone they could grab up at just the right time when their defense is at the top. I would.

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I heart redskins willie....

"RI Fantasy Rule #1

Don't pick players outside the Redskins in the NFC East"

F that rule. I play to win. I can seperate out the difference. Plus the sins have sucked so bad in the last 14 years I have been doing fantasy, my fantasy team was/is the only thing interesting late in the season.

And 4th I am in the Superbowl in one league and a 15 point night from Matt Forte in my other one...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse


It would be better than what they have now. Don't you think? :)

_________________________________________________

Why draft RB when Priest Holmes is available in free agency?

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

You continually make no sense Peri....their isn't a chance in sweet Hades that McNabb goes to Baltimore...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Cork, your thoughts on the suggestion that we cut Carter loose and keep Taylor at a lower figure.

I like that idea (Peri gets the credit). Carter isn't a solution, long term or short term and Taylor is a 1 year solution, buying us some time to get new blood in place

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

... Fabini replaces Jansen as backup RT next year. ...

Posted by: TheCork | December 22, 2008 4:55 PM

Cutting Jansen is suicide cap-wise. Admittedly, Jansen is in his tenth season. Fabini is in his 11th. Jansen probably lost his starting job this season. Fabini lost his in 2004.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Got to say McNabb's got McNugetts to keep saying this. He's more right than wrong on this. By and large, the Eagles are technically the better team and should have won going away yesterday. Our D stood up big time....

Posted by: davebutz | December 22, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Its funny that you say this because no matter what metric I use when comparing the scores 10 and 3, 10 always comes out bigger. Who would have thunked it?

Posted by: Pleepleus | December 22, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

correction ... Fabini lost his starting job in 2005.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the 1.5 points Warner.

Posted by: Gweez | December 22, 2008 4:18 PM

You didn't do you're research like I did.

Tyler Thigpen. Got me 25+ points to get me in the Championship game this week......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 22, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

After next weekend the Iggs will move back down to 4th place. Where they were always going to finish. Someone tell me how they are better?

Posted by: Pleepleus | December 22, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

10 out of 10 times I take Jansen as a back up over Fabini both considering the cap ramifications and talent/ability...

Fabini was a joke yesterday.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Once again the Iggles will be "the best 4th place finisher" and be picked to win the division again. When are poeple goign to understand that they aren't good?

Posted by: Pleepleus | December 22, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Charley Taylor, Art Monk or Bobby Mitchell fresh out of school would be greatly appreciated..But Jeeziz, look at Mike Williams, another Detroit gem that looked like he'd catch more ballsa than Linda Lovelace , that dude isn't even listed in the NFL players directory, he is gone like the leather helmet..

Posted by: frak | December 22, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

is it me or is "DaReal4th" way more cocky and combative that "4th Floor" not saying I mind just an observation....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

According to McNabb we're not as good as they are so why would he even WANT to come here. Besides, why go after sombody with MAYBE 2-3 good years left? Haven't we done enough of that? Our QB situation is fine.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 22, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

My Ff guys are a bit like the Skins. When the game doesn't count, they come up big.

4th, I woulda dropped 160+ points on you

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I'd sign Michael Vick before McNabb.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 +++

That says loads about you!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 22, 2008 4:26 PM

I would too. What's wrong with that?

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 22, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The last 2 games of the season are about the future. Was there was something we learned yesterday about our young players?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 3:55 P

I was impressed when Aikman quoted Zorn yesterday saying the Davis is the most improved player on the team. (At least, that's what I thought I heard).

It was good to see Landry making big plays. He showed up so seldom this year that I thought maybe we'd traded him.

I was upset to see Kareem Moore with a block in the back on Moss's punt return. That cost us a lot.

And I was glad to see Devin Thomas on the field so much. Too bad Jason didn't throw him the ball more.

But, not too much.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

*** FF post ***

4th, I'm with chRIs lArrY on the difference btwn FF and sticking with your home team. I don't BET against the Skins ... but in FF, there are only 4-5 tight ends worth ANYTHING ... and if Jason Witten is available, I'm taking him (and I did ... and if Stumped fails to get his 37 points tonight out of Matt Forte, Desmond Clark, and Mason Crosby, I will remain Master of My Domain ... the first and ultimately less enthusiastic RI FF league).

ESPN projects that Stumped gets 44 points out of those sumsabinches ... I hope they all freeze their rabachs off ... over there in that Soldier Field there ...

*** end FF post ***

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Leading an offense that's even more anemic than the Redskins?
Posted by: periculum

Why do I bother?

Periwinkle, the Ravens "anemic" offense averaged 23.9 ppg thru yesterday.
Skins? 16.1

Where's that dude with the hammer when we need some heads smacked?

If the Skins offense were as "anemic" as the Ravens, we'd be challenging for the Division, but definitely a Wild Card.

Oh yeah, back at ya cL.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | December 22, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is full of you know what. He never takes responsibility for loosing and has the same lame excuse on how better they are.It's the 16th week of NFL and you still making excuses for mistakes and mis-opportunities. Get over it... you suck which explains the record 8-6-1.

Posted by: thewayitis | December 22, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see the Redskins make a play for Jason Peters, the all-pro LT for the Bills. They were supposed to renegotiate his contract but have not. The Bills are very cheap. If the Redskins could trade their 3rd round pick for Peters, that would solve the LT position. This guy is only 26 years old and is a beast. Try to sign another solid OL in free agency and maybe look at Haynesworth on the D side of the ball. I think a lot could depend on the salary cap of 2010. It is an uncapped year but there are certain things that you can't do to get rid of contracts.

Posted by: cspwoods3 | December 22, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,

You still up here? I don't think I've seen a baby report in a while. What's up with Baby's first Christmas?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"Peri -- are those the hits we take if we cut the guy, or the hit we take if we keep them?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 4:18 PM "

Looks like they are combined. Only Jason Taylor features a base-salary only situation. No pro-rate/incentive bonuses. Added the dead cap figures.

If they decide to go young those "dead cap" figures could go up initially. We are stuck with Brandon Lloyd et al. Sean Taylor is just plain bad luck. He was great move by the FO. Just plain bad luck.

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"He showed up so seldom this year that I thought maybe we'd traded him."

Wow is this a dumb statement. LaRon is fine. He played a different position this year. He was responsible for large portions of the field. When he wasn't involved it was b/c QBs were throwing away from him. Not to mention that he won the Seattle game by himself.

TE were you the same person saying "what happened to Sean Taylor" when they changed his roll a few season back to? They couldn't have him playing up close to the line b/c Horton or whoever would have gotten torched playing deep. Yesterday they rotated Springs to safety and LaRon could freelance more...thus "big hits"...

Was our secondary not one of the best most consistant aspects of the team even with little pressure on the QB? Is Landry not in the secondary?

The dude balled this year and did what was asked of him. Not to mentioned still only his second season.

Trade him....yeah that is the ticket!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

4th and I are on the same page with FF. No NFC East guys other than Skins players.

Of course, the guys that played for the championship had guys like toomer, westbrook, romo, jints defense,

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

The Bills are very cheap.

Posted by: cspwoods3 | December 22, 2008 5:14 PM

Wait aren't you talking about the team that paid Derrick Dockery $41 million or something like that? Cheap? They outbid the Redskins. No way we wanna go mano a mano with them in a bidding war.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHA TE...yu get all sweet on me after a open whup azz can? Now I feel like an xmass schmuck!

She is great! Loving life! Since she has zero interests in presents being 7 weeks....thinking of geting like 18 year savings Bond. Vet parent is that a good call?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

is it me or is "DaReal4th" way more cocky and combative that "4th Floor" not saying I mind just an observation....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 5:06 PM

You are correct.

With the intense work conditions (by product of my company laying off 85% of my department and 2 of us are left to do 5 emmployee jobs), I come on see stupid comments and I then start throwing out my one liners that may contradict each other day-to-day depending on what I see.....

Also, a losing in November and December dosen't make a happy 4th.

I'm usually calm when I'm logged on at home.......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 22, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Jason looks like a deer caught in the headlights every time he is behind the center. He really needs to evaluate his play after the season and look for improvements moving around the pocket. He should consult other quaterbacks and get some tips on getting this pocket presense he lacks.

Posted by: thewayitis | December 22, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

TE were you the same person saying "what happened to Sean Taylor" when they changed his roll a few season back to?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 5:16 PM

No.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I'd sign Michael Vick before McNabb.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 +++

That says loads about you!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 22, 2008 4:26 PM

I would too. What's wrong with that?


Ummm...lets see one guy has been playing for a consistently winning WCO team and is still playing.

The other guy hasn't been playing for two years (ya know why) and has never played in a WCO and hasn't been consistent at all.

One guy has at least shown good leadership in the locker room.

The other guy has been shall we say "into other stuff".

If you think a guy that hasn't been in the league for 2 years is just gonna come back and light it up, much less learn the WCO from scratch then you are really smokin' some of what that other guy smokes.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 22, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

MUST BE VINNIE! Hey dude how is ol' Snidely Owl? Well, Vinnie MOST SMART TEAMS actually manage to keep more than 1 or 2 draft picks. There are seven rounds. Some have multiple picks in multiple rounds. So, it is possible to focus on OL and RB while looking for an athletic LB high up. Most past recent Redskins drafts have focused on the "D". They need to focus on the "O"
a bit more.

But VINNIE NFeKPo you have never save your picks you silly boy? YOU must think you are George Allen and can get guys like John Riggins, and instant defenses like the RamSkins now-a-days? Most teams are smarter than that. They aren't going to give you anything for free. Maybe Al Davis would be that stoopid. After all we did get Hall which could be as close to a Sean Taylor - like pickup as one can get.

"'periculum - you are in idiot.'

'Draft someone at LB high... Focus the draft on the OL + RB'

Most people wait to contradict themselves in different posts. You my friend couldn't even muster up that much insight. You would NOT be one of the 24 RIs capable GMS.

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 22, 2008 4:44"

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

*** FF post ***

4th, I'm with chRIs lArrY on the difference btwn FF and sticking with your home team. I don't BET against the Skins ... but in FF, there are only 4-5 tight ends worth ANYTHING ... and if Jason Witten is available, I'm taking him (and I did ... and if Stumped fails to get his 37 points tonight out of Matt Forte, Desmond Clark, and Mason Crosby, I will remain Master of My Domain ... the first and ultimately less enthusiastic RI FF league).

ESPN projects that Stumped gets 44 points out of those sumsabinches ... I hope they all freeze their rabachs off ... over there in that Soldier Field there ...

*** end FF post ***

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 5:12 PM

All you have to do is be creative and knowledgebale on the NFC and AFC.

The AFC is where you find the sleepers. It can work.

I will never root for any other NFC East team nor player to do good because they are on my fantasy team. I know we have sucked since 1992, but come on men.......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 22, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Predator, I don't really disagree with your thesis, but Vick most certainly played in WCO during Baby Mora years. So much so that they hired Steve Young to tutor him....

Just saying....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

4th and I are on the same page with FF. No NFC East guys other than Skins players.

Of course, the guys that played for the championship had guys like toomer, westbrook, romo, jints defense,

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 5:17 PM

I could of/should of beat Zornskins. I made some out of the box decisisions that proved to seal my fate.........

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 22, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Yes, their defense has a penchant for scoring points and setting up the offense with turnovers. Special teams are special as well.

I think Jason spoke to the Ravens inability to score points on offense, and how prolific their defense has been setting up the offense and scoring points of their own.

Yes they are anemic. Albeit they did rip off a couple of long runs on Saturday.


"Periwinkle, the Ravens "anemic" offense averaged 23.9 ppg thru yesterday.
Skins? 16.1"

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

cL,

Deb just pulled out a savings bond her parents bought for her when she was a lil' one.
Don't remember how long she had it, but that $50 face value had a real value of over $500!!
I'd say a savings bond ain't a bad idear at all...

Posted by: RedskinWillie | December 22, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

DaReal,

I feel ya on the FF/No NFC east vibe....and I try to stay away from cowpukes...but whateves I load up to win...one of my leagues is 16 teams deep and both leagues you individual defenders not sisssy team defense...so believe me I scout deep...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHA TE...yu get all sweet on me after a open whup azz can? Now I feel like an xmass schmuck!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 5:18 PM

Dear Scrooge,

I actually did that before. Now I'm sending Laron Landry looking for you. Assuming the 'Skins haven't traded him, of course.

But there's nothing as deep and rich as the joy of a new, first-time parent. Especially great at Christmas time.

I don't think the US Government even sells Series E savings bonds anymore. Why don't you buy her a few shares of Disney stock instead? When she's a freshman in college she can sell them and buy her textbooks. And, everytime you or someone else buys her some of that Disney stuff, you can think "Wow, we're gonna get a lot of textbooks. She can even buy new, not used."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I do not believe that Priest Holmes would be better than Clinton Portis, but there are just some post(er)s that don't warrant a response.

With that out of the way, I'm thinking we might need a new #3 QB at some point as well. The Todd (entering his 15th season) can't wait around to be Matt Cassel forever.

Also, while I agree that we have a good hand enough hand to "stick" on what we've been dealt in the secondary, seems like its always a fine idea to have a spare CB or safety laying around, esp. someone who can do both FS and CB ... someone not already named Shawn Springs. Not sure whether this Grant fella is the spare safety we need ... hoping that Moore turns out to be that guy ... not holding my breath on Tryon ...

Also, whoever was doing the the roster building at 4:51pm, I think Smoot is also a keeper. When it was the rotation of Springs + Rogers + Smoot, I thought the corners were doing fine.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

*** FF ***

My FF results, had 116 and lost (really unlucky on so many fronts). Then had about 75 and lost.

This week, on target for about 160!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Predator, I don't really disagree with your thesis, but Vick most certainly played in WCO during Baby Mora years. So much so that they hired Steve Young to tutor him....

Just saying....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 5:25 PM

So your telling me that Vick has a better grasp of the WCO than McNabb. GTFOH!

BTW don't recall the whole Mora thing working out so well in Atlanta. Vick was only good when he was getting good coaching by Dan Reeves. Vick was never the same once Dan was fired. Mora's a joke compared to Reeves. Seattle will know that soon.

I'm just sayin...

Posted by: Predator48 | December 22, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you buy her a few shares of Disney stock instead?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 5:28 PM

So are you giving up on Six Flags too?

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

---JM220---:or lisa,

guys, is it okay for me to split the original RDT myoplex (or any RDT) instead of drinking it all at once? i had read somewhere that one shouldn't split the drinks and i forget what the reasons were.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 22, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Willie,

Those were the days on Savings Bonds. I just looked them up. They still sell them, but now they have an adjustable rate of interest which resets every six month's. Today's interst rate is 1.3%. Let's see, at 1.3% interest, it would take about 167 years to turn $50 into $500. I still say Disney stock.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse


If we were inclined to get McNabb. At least we know he could step right in and play.

If we went the Vick route, your talking about starting a whole new development process with him. The dude can't run around forever, he's 30.

Too many people get obsessed with his athletic prowess, which or may not be at a high level right now (I'm guessing NOT). But look at his whole QB fundamentals, he needs alot of work.

Since we are already in the process of working JC's fundamentals, how is adding Vick a better upside to McNabb? Its not.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 22, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

sorry i missed all the fun earlier guys...i had to go...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 22, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

So are you giving up on Six Flags too?

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 5:33 PM

Well, Six Flags stock is on sale this week -- around $.30 a share. I can't tell, though, whether this is a year-end sale, or a going-out-of-business sale. 4th was the one who was pumping Six Flags.

I did own it at one point, but now I own Disney. So, yeah, I gave up on it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Mcnabb is so full of himself. That was the same crap he said after the 1st game that we beat them. Why didn't he fix the mistakes then, if they are so good? He is a bitter old man.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 22, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

4th, i'm with sween and cL. if i'm going to do FF i PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. ;) i don't care if he's on the girls or whatever. it doesn't mean i'm hoping the whole team wins.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 22, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

mcnaab sucks! he's the reason they lost the superbowl. he's a choker alright...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 22, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

dealer, you just took bets LAST WEEK that Philly would be the Skins ... we already know how YOU roll.

In other news, Jim Zorn was NOT the worst coach in the world last week ... that honor was bestowed on Norv Turner.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/ratings?seasonYear=2008&seasonType=2&week=15

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Just wondering if Zorn still won't start the rookies after 15 games and the final game is meaningless in terms of standings....

What this says is that the rookies are just not good enough to start, even in a meaningless game. Not a very good endorsement of their prospects for the future. It seems that their only chance for next season is for the people ahead of them in the depth chart to be released. Or maybe this is just Zorn's way of telling them that you actually have to earn a starting position on this club. Perhaps this will motivate them to actually work out before camp next year and crack the playbook open.

Posted by: driley | December 22, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

That ESPN coaches approval rating poll also shows either that Detroit fans are way loyal, or that Marinelli really is not to blame for that nightmare over there. In this season's history of that poll, Marinelli's ratings actually improved and, after Week 3 (where he tied with Crennel), he only improved in his approval ratings.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

te, thks for the heads up on the savings bonds.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | December 22, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

driley, I'm probably in the minority up here, but I think its more important to win this game than it is to focus on getting the rookies starting. For me, the kind of changes the team went through in coaching staff meant I could only reasonably expect 8-8. I was blowed away at 6-2. If they finish 9-7, they will have exceeded my expectations. On Riggins show, he thought it would be fraud hope to go into the offseason off two final wins b/c they wouldn't have the bad taste in their mouths of those second half of the season losses. I say B.S. Riggo (ya drunk!), the players WILL remember those losses (mostly b/c of the boredom of working out). Its better, as a franchise, to end on a win ... more than it is to get the rookies more playing time. This IS still this season. Its not the preseason yet.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Still an idiot eh Sween? Portis is a single dimension back. He cannot catch passes. He is NOT A Westbrook. That is one reason they pay Betts.

My take on Holmes was that he could be converted to a wide out like Charley Taylor, Bobby Mitchell and Art Monk were. Not a burner deep threat, a possession type. Should extend the career of a good one. The Skins used to bring these guys in under Gibbs and use them as pseudo H-backs in the passing game.

I think they need one to start, full time. Just my opinion. I do believe it would be better to pick someone in the draft just for this purpose. And stop picking prima donna Brandon Lloyd's whether through FA or the draft. Specifically to be converted from a RB to WR. Preferably someone with reasonable speed and blocking skills.


"For the record, I do not believe that Priest Holmes would be better than Clinton Portis, but there are just some post(er)s that don't warrant a response.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 5:33 PM"

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

"Just wondering if Zorn still won't start the rookies after 15 games and the final game is meaningless in terms of standings...."

Look at it this way. Horton is starting is he not? Eventually, LaRon Landry started last year. Its not like they won't start rookies now is it?

And Heyer did start in his rookie year as well. As an undrafted rookie free agent.

So ... why not this guard that JC thinks should play? why not these wide outs? Why not Devin Thomas and Malcom Kelly? Why not Jason?

Because they aren't ready and may never be ready ... you can assign some responsibility on the coaches but most were here last year so there is continuity. So ... isn't it the player? Isn't it just possible that they just can't cut the NFL? That the FO made gross errors in last year's draft?

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

driley, this was discussed on WaPo Live tonight (as well as Vinny's show this morning). They really want to win the last game - so will play the same conservative offense and hope the D can bail them out.

Part of the rationale is 9-7 will save jobs while 8-8 may not.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 22, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

of course the team wants to win. But does that mean they should ignore what they need to learn? NOOOOO!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I am all for playing to win this last game. Zorn at least has that right. Pretending that Sunday starts preseason sends the wrong signals on a lot of levels.
However, now is the time to sit Portis. There is nothing to be gained by having him play, and IMO, more to lose.

Posted by: driley | December 22, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

sween, i said the skins will ROLL OVER AND PLAY DEAD against philly like they had in the games that mattered. i guess i forgot to take into account that there's nothing to choke on. no big moment. no big prize.

and sween, i gave you a chance to put up some coin but noooooooooooooo you wanted points. and i wouldn't give it to you for exactly the reason..."i have no idea what's going on in philly"...philly lost.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 22, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I'd sign Michael Vick before McNabb.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 +++

That says loads about you!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 22, 2008 4:26 PM

I would too. What's wrong with that?


Ummm...lets see one guy has been playing for a consistently winning WCO team and is still playing.

The other guy hasn't been playing for two years (ya know why) and has never played in a WCO and hasn't been consistent at all.

One guy has at least shown good leadership in the locker room.

The other guy has been shall we say "into other stuff".

If you think a guy that hasn't been in the league for 2 years is just gonna come back and light it up, much less learn the WCO from scratch then you are really smokin' some of what that other guy smokes.


Posted by: Predator48

Nice job Predator. I'd add that playing in the NFL is a privelege, not a right. I know some on here don't care about ethical behavior. I do.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 22, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

zeke, riggo was saying this morning that these 2 wins at the end of the season is probly the worst thing that could happen to this team. "...just one play away...just one player away..." as cL said "rinse and repeat".

Posted by: dealer1 | December 22, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I want us to win. I want to see Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas take 40 snaps ... and play to win. I want to see in Chad Reinhart can block someone, let him play a half, or more. I want to see if Rob Jackson can handle 25-30 snaps and become a backup for Evans. And yes, I'd even like to see if Tryon can play in a nickel or dime situation.

These guys are not going to become players without ANY playing time. Skins mgmt isn't going to learn what these guys do right and wrong from practice and preseason only.

Zorn's preseason comment is foolish. If he gave a damn about what happens in preseason, McMullen would have made the roster. I think he caught more balls in preseason that Thomas and Kelly have caught all year ... conbined

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I'd sign Michael Vick before McNabb.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 +++

That says loads about you!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 22, 2008 4:26 PM

I would too. What's wrong with that?

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 22, 2008 5:09 PM

Yea, and put him at RB.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 22, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Yea, and put him at RB.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Do you think he's a WR now or a TE after time in the pokey, err, pardon the pun.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 22, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

He's in Federal prison. He's probably a librarian or accountant by now.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 22, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

He's in Federal prison. He's probably a librarian or accountant by now.

Posted by: scampbell1975

They taught him to read? Wow!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 22, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, Vick hasn't the credentials Mcnabb has. Take away the criminal issues and I'd take Mcnabb everyday over Vick.
Look at Atlanta now with a rookie QB. What a difference. I know, Michael Turner has lots to do with it to, but Vick wasn't without good RB's when he played there.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 22, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

He's in Federal prison. He's probably a librarian or accountant by now.

Posted by: scampbell1975

They taught him to read? Wow!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 22, 2008 6:56 PM |

He had A LOT of free time.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 22, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

It probably wasn't Zorn's call. Again, Vinnie is deep in the mix again. Did you like the team they fielded under Spurrier? That's Vinnie and Dann-O taking whatever Marty accomplished and throwing it all away.

And that's where Riggins IS FLAT OUT, DEAD WRONG. For this reason: winning these last 2 games will give BOTh Zorn and Blache a great deal more say in who they select. What needs they address and how they address them in the offseason. I really doubt that either had much of a say this past offseason.

Otherwise, he would be right. It might otherwise lead management into thinking that much of the status quo (player-wise) should remain. When it is obvious that changes are needed.

But someone other than Vinnie needs to pull the trigger and help make choices. That is the biggest problem this team has.

Its really our last best hope for this offseason.


"Zorn's preseason comment is foolish. If he gave a damn about what happens in preseason, McMullen would have made the roster. I think he caught more balls in preseason that Thomas and Kelly have caught all year ... conbined

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 6:35 PM "

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Michael Vick before McNabb? Ask Atlanta ... :)

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Next year. If they even make the team. Given the injuries along the offensive line, the ineffective passing game. Don't you think they've tried? They must have really done a great job in practice to get ready don't you think? Do you think they would do any better in this game? Doubtless, NOT.


"I want us to win. I want to see Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas take 40 snaps ... and play to win. I want to see in Chad Reinhart can block someone, let him play a half, or more. I want to see if Rob Jackson can handle 25-30 snaps and become a backup for Evans. And yes, I'd even like to see if Tryon can play in a nickel or dime situation."

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm fairly certain "mis-opportunities" isn't a word.

Posted by: slowdive | December 22, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

"Add Bobby Mitchell and you HAVE 3 top flight running backs converted to possession type receivers. To great effect. Albeit Mitchell was more of a "deep threat"."

Yep, those are 3 top flight RBs converted into WRs. Three of them.......in 40 years. No doubt we can just pluck one during the draft and "convert" him better than a guy who's played WR his entire life.

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Given the injuries along the offensive line, the ineffective passing game. Don't you think they've tried?
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At this point I'm not sure about that, periculum.

Remember the Ravens game, when Geisinger was put in to block Suggs? Wouldn't you have rather seen Reinhart in there? I don't think Reinhart could possibly have done worse. But he wasn't activated, and that might just be because Zorn has a bug up his rear with regards to rookies.

I'm a Zorn fan, but I have to say he's shown a stubborn streak which concerns me.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 22, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I want us to win. I want to see Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas ... I want to see in Chad Reinhart can ... I want to see if Rob Jackson ... And yes, I'd even like to see if Tryon ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 6:35 PM

There is no "I" in "fan."

[Except "Skins fan," in which case, I admit, there is one "I" ... but that one is already spoken for by the guy writing the checks.]

dealer, see Greg about those points.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm fairly certain "mis-opportunities" isn't a word.

Posted by: slowdive | December 22, 2008 7:18 PM

I went out with Miss Opportunities in college. Great time was had by all :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

There is no "I" in "fan."
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Also, there is no "eff" in "you"...unless you're a Skins fan.

Thanks for everything, Dannah Montana!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 22, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

There is no "I" in "fan."

[Except "Skins fan," in which case, I admit, there is one "I" ... but that one is already spoken for by the guy writing the checks.]

Posted by: dcsween

How about the 'me' in 'team'?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

In the "I want to see" game, I would like to see the Skins* score points, preferably first, before the other team, preferably in the first quarter.

* and by "Skins", I'm referring to the rookie offensive scheme.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's preseason comment is foolish. If he gave a damn about what happens in preseason, McMullen would have made the roster. I think he caught more balls in preseason that Thomas and Kelly have caught all year ... conbined

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 6:35 PM

I think he also dropped more in preseason than they've dropped.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Great quote:

Former Lions QB, Joey Harrington, now back-up for New Orleans, on playing Detroit this weekend: "It's weird to think I was here in the hey-day.''

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Still an idiot eh Sween? Portis is a single dimension back. He cannot catch passes. He is NOT A Westbrook. That is one reason they pay Betts.

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 6:08 PM

Portis averages 7.8 yards/catch. Westbrook averages 7.5 yards/catch.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

How about the 'me' in 'team'?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 7:38 PM

You're reading it wrong. It's "mate." Ask Kost -- or your own betrothed.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Portis averages 7.8 yards/catch. Westbrook averages 7.5 yards/catch.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 8:13 PM

Portis averages 33 catches per season, Westbrook averages 57.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Just saw the Lions post-game press conference from yesterday.

That jerk Rob Parker was way off base.

And his attempt at covering his butt - claiming that it was "an attempt at humor" - is about as delusional an explanation as I've seen lately.

Parker must think people can't hear his tone - aggressive, confrontational - in that press conference.

There was nothing funny about that.

But I guess neither ESPN or Detroit News have to cojones to suspend or can him.

Now, if it was Mike Wise making those same horrific comments to say, Romeo Crennel, you can bet everybody would be calling for his head on a platter.

And they'd get it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 22, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Still an idiot eh Sween? Average per catch? Are you an imbecile as well as an idiot? Guess you can't be both mentally deficient and retarded.
Do they send "spys" to watch Portis go out for passes? ~really laughing at the pure stoopid-ness ~ really, really very stooooopid. ~

WESTBRROK: 7 SEVEN TDS receiving.
PORTIS: 0 TDs receiving.

WESTBROOK: 52 FIFTY TWO passes caught in what
12 games?
PORTIS: 28 passes in 16 games.

Career: WESTBROOK: 28 TDs receiving. 399 receptions for 3,597 yards, and a 9.0 average.
Career: PORTIS: 4TDs receiving, 233 passes caught, for an 8.2 average and 1906 yards.


"Portis averages 7.8 yards/catch. Westbrook averages 7.5 yards/catch.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2008 8:13 PM"

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Yes 16 games I doubt Portis will catch a pass this week ... but I could be wrong ... ~laughing~

And you fools DARE to compare this guy to Charley Taylor who won rookie of the year as a running back gaining over 800 yards in 12 games? Or Bobby Mitchell? Art Monk?

The guy is just decent ... but it was the best we could do for Champ Bailey.

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

The last, Art Monk, wasn't 40 years ago. Okay so name ONE reasonably successful draft pick receiver (not converted running back) chosen in the first 3 rounds. I might give you Charley Brown but he even turned out to be a spoiled diva.


"Yep, those are 3 top flight RBs converted into WRs. Three of them.......in 40 years. No doubt we can just pluck one during the draft and "convert" him better than a guy who's played WR his entire life."

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

You're reading it wrong. It's "mate." Ask Kost -- or your own betrothed.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 8:14 PM
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Could also be "meat".

P.S. Don't shoot the messenger!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 22, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

In 1995, Cerrato was promoted to Director of Player Personnel, overseeing all college scouting and draft activities as well as pro scouting of NFL players and opponents. Hired by the Skins in 1999. Here are picks made with Vinny at the helm. (Figure Gibbs and Spurrier had veto authority over Vinny, so those drafts are not included here.)

1995
1 (10, 10) - J.J. Stokes, UCLA, WR
4 (29, 127) - Tim Hanshaw, Brigham Young, TE
6 (30, 201) - Antonio Armstrong, Texas A&M, DE
7 (30, 238) - Herbert Coleman, Trinity, DE

1996
2 (16, 46) - Israel Ifeanyi, USC, DE
3 (28, 89) - Terrell Owens, Tennessee-Chattanooga, WR
4 (33, 128) - Daryl Price, Colorado, DE
5 (28, 160) - Iheanyi Uwaezukoe, California, WR
6 (31, 198) - Stephen Pitts, Penn State, RB
7 (30, 239) - Sean Manuel, New Mexico State, TE
7 (45, 254) - Sam Manuel, New Mexico State, LB

1997
1 (26, 26) - Jim Druckenmiller, Virginia Tech, QB
2 (25, 55) - Marc Edwards, Notre Dame, RB
3 (17, 77) - Greg Clark, Stanford, TE

1998
1 (28, 28) - R.W. McQuarters, Oklahoma State, DB
2 (28, 58) - Jeremy Newberry, California, C
3 (28, 89) - Chris Ruhman, Texas A&M, T
4 (27, 119) - Lance Schulters, Hofstra, DB
5 (28, 151) - Phil Ostrowski, Penn State, G
6 (27, 180) - Fred Beasley, Auburn, RB
7 (26, 215) - Ryan Thelwell, Minnesota, WR

1999 (Turner)
1 (7, 7) - Champ Bailey, Georgia, DB
2 (6, 37) - Jon Jansen, Michigan, T
4 (12, 107) - Nate Stimson, Georgia Tech, LB
5 (32, 165) - Derek Smith, Virginia Tech, T
6 (12, 181) - Jeff Hall, Tennessee, K
7 (11, 217) - Tim Alexander, Oregon State, WR

2000 (Robiskie)
1 (2, 2) - LaVar Arrington, Penn State, LB
1 (3, 3) - Chris Samuels, Alabama, T
3 (2, 64) - Lloyd Harrison, North Carolina State, DB
4 (35, 129) - Michael Moore, Troy State, G
5 (26, 155) - Quincy Sanders, UNLV, DB
6 (36, 202) - Todd Husak, Stanford, QB
7 (10, 216) - Delbert Cowsette, Maryland, DT
7 (44, 250) - Ethan Howell, Oklahoma State, WR


Posted by: bmo63 | December 22, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Could also be "meat".

P.S. Don't shoot the messenger!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 22, 2008 8:36 PM

There's no "shoot" in team. Can't shoot the messenger. So, I'll have to tame the messenger.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

brmo62--Charlie Casserly drafted Champ Bailey. That was the year he traded a pick for Mike Ditka's entire draft, plus a few picks the next year, so that Ditka could get Ricky Williams. It was the biggest day in Casserly's life.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

not sure how much control Vinny had in SF for the draft. I do know that Walsh thought Druckenmiller was about his worst pick ever.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

IS That you Vinnie? Trying to be Al Gore and claim you invented the Internet again?

IN 1995 he was with the 49'ers and was not the GM so you should exclude 1995-1999. Those were not Cerrato's drafts.

1999-2000 were Charley Casserly's last years. It was he who fired Petitbone and hired Turner. Cerrato again did not have any say in that draft. He was at the time just a consultant to the owner. Charley Casserly and not Vinnie made those calls.

"1995 San Francisco Bill Walsh President/GM
1 (10, 10) - J.J. Stokes, UCLA, WR
4 (29, 127) - Tim Hanshaw, Brigham Young, TE
6 (30, 201) - Antonio Armstrong, Texas A&M, DE
7 (30, 238) - Herbert Coleman, Trinity, DE

1996 San Francisco Bill Walsh President/GM
2 (16, 46) - Israel Ifeanyi, USC, DE
3 (28, 89) - Terrell Owens, Tennessee-Chattanooga, WR
4 (33, 128) - Daryl Price, Colorado, DE
5 (28, 160) - Iheanyi Uwaezukoe, California, WR
6 (31, 198) - Stephen Pitts, Penn State, RB
7 (30, 239) - Sean Manuel, New Mexico State, TE
7 (45, 254) - Sam Manuel, New Mexico State, LB

1997 San Francisco Bill Walsh President/GM
1 (26, 26) - Jim Druckenmiller, Virginia Tech, QB
2 (25, 55) - Marc Edwards, Notre Dame, RB
3 (17, 77) - Greg Clark, Stanford, TE

1998 San Francisco Bill Walsh President/GM
1 (28, 28) - R.W. McQuarters, Oklahoma State, DB
2 (28, 58) - Jeremy Newberry, California, C
3 (28, 89) - Chris Ruhman, Texas A&M, T
4 (27, 119) - Lance Schulters, Hofstra, DB
5 (28, 151) - Phil Ostrowski, Penn State, G
6 (27, 180) - Fred Beasley, Auburn, RB
7 (26, 215) - Ryan Thelwell, Minnesota, WR

1999 Washington Charley Casserly GM
1 (7, 7) - Champ Bailey, Georgia, DB
2 (6, 37) - Jon Jansen, Michigan, T
4 (12, 107) - Nate Stimson, Georgia Tech, LB
5 (32, 165) - Derek Smith, Virginia Tech, T
6 (12, 181) - Jeff Hall, Tennessee, K
7 (11, 217) - Tim Alexander, Oregon State, WR

2000 Charley Casserly GM
1 (2, 2) - LaVar Arrington, Penn State, LB
1 (3, 3) - Chris Samuels, Alabama, T
3 (2, 64) - Lloyd Harrison, North Carolina State, DB
4 (35, 129) - Michael Moore, Troy State, G
5 (26, 155) - Quincy Sanders, UNLV, DB
6 (36, 202) - Todd Husak, Stanford, QB
7 (10, 216) - Delbert Cowsette, Maryland, DT
7 (44, 250) - Ethan Howell, Oklahoma State, WR


Posted by: bmo63 | December 22, 2008 8:37 PM"

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse


SICWIDIT'S...YOU PLAY GM....

Which of the listed players would you keep if you could only keep one?

a) Marcus Washington
b) Cornelius Griffin
c) John Jansen
d) Jason Taylor

If you could rebuild this team from scratch and for the future, which player on defense would you sign first?

a) DeMetric Evans
b) D'Angelo Hall
c) LaRon Landry
d) Rocky McIntosh
e) Carlos Rogers

If you could build this team from scratch and for the future, which player on offense would you sign first?

a) Clinton Portis
b) Jason Campbell
c) Chris Cooley
d) LaDell Betts
e) Devin Thomas

What's your call on Jason Campbell?

a) too early; stay patient
b) I've seen enough, extend him
c) I've seen enough, see ya'
d) Make him compete next season

I'd trade the following player for two high round picks:

a) Laron Landry
b) Chris Cooley
c) Clinton Portis
d) Jason Campbell

What must this team have FIRST under your regime?

a) A BEAST Defensive End
b) A young stud Right Tackle
c) A QB
d) A New Coach

Posted by: rickyroge | December 22, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

The following were the Redskins 1st round receiver picks from 1980 around 30 years ago.

1. 1980 Art Monk Syracuse converted RB
2. 1992 Desmond Howard Michigan
3. 1995 Michael Westbrook Colorado
4. 2001 Rod Gardner Clemson

Before that no receiver was ever chosen.
In 1964 Charley Taylor a running back was chosen from Arizona State. After 3 years at RB he was converted to wide receiver.

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Which of the listed players would you keep if you could only keep one?

d) Jason Taylor

If you could rebuild this team from scratch and for the future, which player on defense would you sign first?

e) Carlos Rogers

If you could build this team from scratch and for the future, which player on offense would you sign first?

c) Chris Cooley

What's your call on Jason Campbell?

a) too early; stay patient

I'd trade the following player for two high round picks:

c) Clinton Portis

What must this team have FIRST under your regime?

a) A BEAST Defensive End

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

T_E...

I agree with you on the Portis deal. I'd make that deal in a minute.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 22, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

2001 Marty Schottenheimer President/HC/GM (3 starters)
1. Rod Gardner, WR, Clemson
2. Fred Smoot, CB, Mississippi St.
4. Sage Rosenfels, QB, Iowa St.
5. Darnerien McCants, WR, Delaware St.
6. Mario Monds, DT, Cincinnati

2002 Daniel Snyder/Vinnie Cerrato. (1 starter, 2 subs)

1. Patrick Ramsey, QB, Tulane
2. Ladell Betts, RB, Iowa
3. Rashad Bauman, CB, Oregon
3. Cliff Russell, WR, Utah
5. Andre Lott, S, Tennessee
5. Robert Royal, TE, LSU
6. Reggie Coleman, T, Tennessee
7. Jeff Grau, LS, UCLA
7. Greg Scott, DE, Hampton
7. Rock Cartwright, FB, Kansas St.

2003 Daniel Snyder, Vinnie Cerrato (1 starter)

2. Taylor Jacobs, WR, Florida - 44th overall
3. Derrick Dockery, G, Texas - 81st overall
7. Gibran Hamdan, QB, Indiana - 232nd overall

2004 Joe Jackson Gibbs HC/President, Daniel Snyder, Vinnie Cerrato (2 starters)

1. Sean Taylor, S, Miami - 5th overall
3. Chris Cooley, TE, Utah State - 81st overall
5. Mark Wilson, OT, California - 151st overall
6. Jim Molinaro, OT, Notre Dame - 180th overall

2005 Joe Jackson Gibbs HC/President, Daniel Snyder Vinnie Cerrato (2 starters)

1. Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn (9th overall)
1. Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn (25th overall)
4. Manuel White, FB, UCLA (120th overall)
5. Robert McCune, ILB, Louisville (154th overall)
6. Jared Newberry, OLB, Stanford (183rd overall)
7. Nehemiah Broughton, FB, The Citadel (222nd overall)

2006 Joe Jackson Gibbs JC/President, Daniel Snyder. Vinnie Cerrato. (4 starters)

2. Roger McIntosh, OLB, Miami - 35th overall
5. Anthony Montgomery, DT, Minnesota - 153rd overall
6. Reed Doughty, S, North Colorado - 173rd overall
6. Kedric Golston, DT, Georgia - 196th overall
7. Kili Lefotu, OG, Arizona - 230th overall
7. Kevin Simon, ILB, Tennessee - 250th overall

2007 Joe Gibbs President/HC, Daniel Snyder Vinnie Cerrato. (2 starters)

1. Laron Landry DB LSU
5. Dallas Sartz LB USC
6. HB Blades LB Pittsburgh
7. Jordon Palmer QB Texas El-Paso
7. Tyler Ecker TE Michigan

2008 Daniel Snyder, Vinnie Cerrato. (0 starters)

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge, Good work with these quizzes. I thought the hardest question is the one about who would you build your offense around. There really aren't any clear choices. I ended up with Chris Cooley, but the idea of building an offense around a TE is not very inspiring.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

2008 Daniel Snyder, Vinnie Cerrato. (0 starters)

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 9:26 PM |

Hey dumas, Horton starts

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 22, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Yea ricky, I like the quiz too. The only thing that I would change is that I would build my D around a huge, stud DT.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 22, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

That could work for this team. The problem is the "dead cap" space created when you start cutting some of the veterans and the "dearth" of draft picks would make it hard to achieve this. Add Vinnie and his poor talent evaluation skills and you may have the makings of a nightmare.

"Holmgren as GM, McNabb at QB, some big bodies on both lines and this team will do some things next year."

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

2008 Daniel Snyder, Vinnie Cerrato. (0 starters)

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 9:26 PM

Both Brooks and Horton were starters.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

True, 1 starter the last pick in the draft. Reed Doughty could conceivably come back and start next year so maybe its one good sub.


"Hey dumas, Horton starts

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 22, 2008 9:29"

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

"Both Brooks and Horton were starters."

He lost his job and is now on a practice squad. His starting status was basically imposed by Vinnie. Horton's was earned.

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Both Brooks and Horton were starters.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 9:32 PM
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Is "half-right" a defensive player? Or the other way?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 22, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

No way Reed starts over Horton.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 22, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Which of the listed players would you keep if you could only keep one?
d) Jason Taylor, at lower $$$. But they can all go if the price is too high

If you could rebuild this team from scratch and for the future, which player on defense would you sign first?
c) LaRon Landry


If you could build this team from scratch and for the future, which player on offense would you sign first?
b) Jason Campbell, he's in the top 1.2 of the league despite a poor OL and mediocre WRs


What's your call on Jason Campbell?
b) I've seen enough, extend him


I'd trade the following player for two high round picks:
c) Clinton Portis, its not the years, its the miles

What must this team have FIRST under your regime?
b) A young stud Right Tackle, followed by a LG, C, RG and LT in the next few year

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

He lost his job and is now on a practice squad. His starting status was basically imposed by Vinnie. Horton's was earned.

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 9:35 PM

He was injured and cut. Before that he was the pick of Danny Smith and he started about five games. Horton became a starter when Doughty was injured.

Don't change the rules of the game just because the outcome doesn't fit your agenda.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Oops.

To be clear, my "half-right" snark was about drafting Horton (good), and Brooks (less so).

And now to enjoy my pre-Tuesday work-SJK beverages, which will both provide relief from the pain and make it worse.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 22, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Seems to make the most sense except I'd go for the best possible left tackle and let the best man win between Samuels and the rookie. Whoever loses goes to right tackle. 3-way competition with Heyer even better. Needed the 2 guards yesterday where do you get those with the dead cap space they have?


"What must this team have FIRST under your regime?
b) A young stud Right Tackle, followed by a LG, C, RG and LT in the next few year"

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I guess I mispoke when I said a stud DT. I was speaking about the what I would build my DEFENSE around. If I'm talking about the TEAM I'm riding in Z's car.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 22, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Brooks had a terrible punting average even before the injury. He was choking. Horton got the job through injury so Doughty could come back next year.

Okay fine, like I said ZERO starters from that draft but 1.5 SUBs.


"He was injured and cut. Before that he was the pick of Danny Smith and he started about five games. Horton became a starter when Doughty was injured.

Don't change the rules of the game just because the outcome doesn't fit your agenda.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008"

Posted by: periculum | December 22, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

No way Reed starts over Horton.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 22, 2008 9:36 PM

When I first read this, I thought you were talking about EDward Reed in B-more, and I'm not sure why - I was about to ask what is your cigar of choice.

But then again, IF that's your thing (generally speaking here; talking to everyone), I'm sure most of you don't do the blunt thing.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

When I used to smoke I liked the green Optimo's.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 22, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

mcnabb is done..
he'll go somewhere and get benched and be out of the league
he's disrespectful .. and was a major reason they lost

Posted by: jrak1 | December 22, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

mcnabb is done..
he'll go somewhere and get benched and be out of the league
he's disrespectful .. and was a major reason they lost

Posted by: jrak1 | December 22, 2008 9:57 PM

He's a jacka$$ and a loser. He belongs in Philly. They're perfect for each other.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 22, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

TE, yes I have been called out on Six Flags. But that is only short-sighted. I'm looking long term.....

BTW, I thought a stock couldn't trade for more than 30-60 days under $1 without being delisted? How has Six Flags survived?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 22, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Danny gave season tix for the regulators (or perhaps they are going through the various appeal processes)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S...YOU PLAY GM....

Sic, as always your polls are the shizznit, homie... would like to see 'em during the day when I'm bored as 'ish.
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Which of the listed players would you keep if you could only keep one?

b) Cornelius Griffin - I know he's a part of the problem in the 'skins inablility to sack the the QB, but he's a good run-stopping DL.


If you could rebuild this team from scratch and for the future, which player on defense would you sign first?

c) LaRon Landry - Not. Even. Close. Dirty 30 is going to be GREAT in this league. CL, brought up a good point about him being asked to assume a different role in the defense, and how ST#21 was questioned when his role was changed in the defense - He IS only in his SECOND year.


If you could build this team from scratch and for the future, which player on offense would you sign first?

a) Clinton Portis - get 'em a damn line that can hold up for more than 8-10 games, at which ever point in the season, and he'll put up the numbers ALL season. People wonder why Peterson is so good, or why does he put up the digits through out the year, and its because the Vikings o-line holds for SIXTEEN games, and he doesn't contact a defender until the second OR thrid level - his offensive line is that damn good.


What's your call on Jason Campbell?

d) Make him compete next season - I don't see why Campbell shouldn't have to compete next season. He's O-KAY, but I think Campbell doesn't have the "wit", "knack", or "canny" to play QB at the NFL level. Anyone who calls him retarded, is that themselves - the man has had to learn SIX or seven different offenses since his junior year at Auburn.

I'd trade the following player for two high round picks:

c) Clinton Portis - I don't think there has been a bigger supporter than Portis than I on this blog. But if you're building for the future, Portis is clearly the only one on that list that you can see fading dramtically in the next few years, but if you didn't know - I likes Clinton!

What must this team have FIRST under your regime?

a) A BEAST Defensive End - I personally think that a LT is more important that a RT seeing how most QBs are right-handed, but seeing how that WASN'T on your list, I'd have to go with DL. 'skins have little to NO pass rush on the regular, and its starting to piss me off a little. I think the line of scrimmage is simply two beast of men that have to decide if the guy across from me is "going to get his", sadly the 'skins are in the season of giving.


WAIT! That must be it! The 'skins are in a thankful and giving mood this time of year (As all of us should), THAT is why they tank it come Novemeber.

Thankful that they have made it this far in the season, and GIVING the f'n games away is what they DO!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Optimo's, Garcia/Vega, Game, and of course, Dutch Masters are ALWAYS primo.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

"The last, Art Monk, wasn't 40 years ago. Okay so name ONE reasonably successful draft pick receiver (not converted running back) chosen in the first 3 rounds. I might give you Charley Brown but he even turned out to be a spoiled diva.

Posted by: periculum"

This might be the dumbest serious argument I've ever seen somebody try and make on this blog.

If you think the Redskins are bad at drafting WRs, fine. But don't try and use some backwards idea of 3 guys being successfully converted in 40 years as some sort of trend that should be followed.

(1) The NFL is a completely different game than it was 20 years ago, let alone 40 years ago.

(2) None of the talent-evaluators, scouts, GMs, or coaches that were responsible for identifying and converting the players are currently with the team. That type of "talent" (scouting and coaching) doesn't magically stick with the franchise when the guys responsible for it leave.

(3) Gary Clark

(4) I can't believe I'm even arguing this.

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

This column explains why Philly fans do not like McNabb. Despite all the love tossed his way by announcers and out-of-Philly writers, we know who he is and he is not a leader, no matter how many times he tells everyone he is. He has been a good, not great QB, more concerned with his image than leading the team. He is afraid to takes chances. Twice, after games where he watched Brett Favre zip TD passes through a passel of defenders, McNabb said he wouldn't even try something like that. His stats are good because he generally throws only to open receivers or his fall back option. Tough to throw interceptions that way. 10 years and he still can't run a hurry-up offense or change a play that wouldn't work so as not to upset Reid. He's like a little kid afraid to disappoint his daddy. Off the field McNabb is a class guy, a gentleman. On field he is no leader. Does not instill confidence. Tell me why Eagles fans embraced Jeff Garcia, a lesser talent, than McNabb a couple of years ago? Because he inspired the team, the last time the Birds made the playoffs.

Posted by: mikel7 | December 22, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

"Horton became a starter when Doughty was injured."

Horton started over Doughty beginning in the Dallas game, when both were healthy. Then Doughty got hurt, and Horton kept the starting spot by default.

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

HEIDI MARRIED SPENCER!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!! woooooooooohoooooooooooooooooo LMAO!!!! "we went to mexico and had some shots and got married..." OMG!!! i love this show!

that is hillarious!!! i forget who watches this show up here but it is THE FUNNIEST episode ever!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 22, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

4th, did you buy six flags stocks?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 22, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

sween, what you talk about boy? points you want i no give. i no need points. you see greg if you like points. i no greg.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 22, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

4th and I are on the same page with FF. No NFC East guys other than Skins players.

Of course, the guys that played for the championship had guys like toomer, westbrook, romo, jints defense,

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 5:17 PM

I could of/should of beat Zornskins. I made some out of the box decisisions that proved to seal my fate.........

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 22, 20

Hey guys I sat Romo and won with Mr. 3 point Kyle Orton. Plus I had about 10 pts per game higher avg than everyone else in the league. Just saying.

Posted by: zornskins2 | December 22, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

WOW...Bears blocked the kick !

Posted by: cej75024 | December 22, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

forte beetches!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Zornskins & 4th -- you guys are so lucky you didn't face me this week.

I added up the points I woulda gotten:

170!!!

Be a league record by about 20 points!! Yes Zornskins -- you did dominate. But you also manged to win the title while scoring less points than any of the other 3 teams in your bracket!!


This week woulda been for me:
Rivers 38 (4TD passes)
DeAngelo Williams 35 pts (4TDs)
L White 10 (1td)
Fred Jackson: 17 (1td)
L. Fitzgerald 19 (1td +100 yds)
R. Wayne 18 (1td +100 yds)
O. Daniels 12 (100yds)
Bryant (kicker) 7
GB defense 9
HC 5

The flex spot would have been Sproles (10pts) or Jackson, either way ... y'all just lucky :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Zornskins - Nice Try at being sarcastic I think cuz you had Romo in your line up mos of the season. I don't care about point averages.........

Dealer - I am out of the stock market business for good. I'm just stuffing my money under the mattress like the old timers do.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 23, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Stop crying Mcchoke! You had a chance to win and you choked as the Eagles always do. That is why the Eagles will always be losers. The reason why you play the games is to determine the better team. The better team won not once but twice so get over it Mcchoke!

Posted by: bigjofc | December 23, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Jphn Corcoran's column on Draftdog.com on what's RIGHT with the Redskins

"Okay, What Have We Got Good on the Spacecraft?"

That was a line from the great movie, "Apollo 13". After the explosion that threatened the lives of all on board, and hearing a laundry list of things damaged on the Moon bound craft, Mission director Gene Kranz (played by Ed Harris) asked that key question. The inference was, before we start a rescue mission, we better see what is still working. ..

Why is Grumpy Gus being positive for a change? Hey, it's the Holiday season. I can look on the bright side this one time, okay? Especially since the 'skins just broke the hearts of those Santa-booing, Superbowl non-winning, drunk tank at their stadium-owning Philadelphia Eagles....

We start with:

Continued at:


http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm

Posted by: TheCork | December 23, 2008 3:17 AM | Report abuse

F Donovan McNabb. He can THINK the Eagles are better than the Redskins, but the proof is in results. 2-0 against your punk-@ss and you along with your portly coach are going to be on the street. Enjoy the rebuilding effort in Detroit, jackass...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 23, 2008 5:38 AM | Report abuse

Periculum or what ever your name is your salary cap numbers are off, just like every other post you made last night.

All you did was list the players salaries for next year, if they are cut they do not get there salaries paid.

I will post this again for Periculum who it only took 3 weeks and 100 comments to realize you can not cut Portis because of his cap hit.

http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm

Go to this page look at the column next to 2009 it says rfees, this is what it will cost you to release the player. The 2009 column is what it would cost to keep the player.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2008 6:57 AM | Report abuse

For those of us that can not get to the site.

2009 Salary R Fee
Jason Taylor DE $ 8,500 $ -
Shawn Springs CB $ 8,483 $ 2,483
Marcus Washington LB $ 6,520 $ 2,020
Cornelius Griffin DT $ 6,166 $ 2,549
Clinton Portis RB $ 5,671 $ 13,365
Chris Samuels OT $ 9,378 $ 9,492
Jon Jansen OT $ 3,413 $ 6,188
Randy Thomas OG $ 5,851 $ 13,451
Santana Moss WR $ 6,753 $ 7,217
Casey Rabach OL $ 3,650 $ 1,300
London Fletcher LB $ 4,350 $ 6,300
Pete Kendall OL
Chris Cooley TE $ 3,053 $ 11,167
Andre Carter DE $ 6,598 $ 6,825
Antwaan Randle El WR $ 6,119 $ 6,763
Phillip Daniels DE $ 2,057 $ 114
Laron Landry S $ 5,428 $ 7,573
Fred Smoot CB $ 4,150 $ 4,200
Carlos Rogers CB $ 2,441 $ 3,873
Jason Campbell QB $ 1,813 $ 1,031
Ladell Betts RB $ 1,975 $ 2,775
Roger McIntosh LB $ 1,085 $ 455
Todd Collins QB $ 2,500 $ 2,500
DeAngelo Hall CB
James Thrash WR $ 945 $ 100
Mike Sellers FB $ 920 $ 350
Demetric Evans DL
Khary Campbell LB
Todd Yoder TE $ 887 $ 117
Devin Thomas WR $ 779 $ 1,181
Rock Cartwright RB $ 1,045 $ 200
Erasmus James DE $ 1,003 $ -
Fred Davis TE $ 731 $ 1,037
Malcolm Kelly WR $ 701 $ 948
Shaun Suisham K
Anthony Montgomery DT
Ethan Albright LS
Jason Fabini OL
Reed Doughty S
Kedric Golston DT
Justin Geisinger OG
Chad Rinehart OL $ 538 $ 459
Mike Green S
Alfred Fincher LB
Ryan Plackemeier P $ 535 $ -
Ryan Boschetti DT
H.B. Blades LB $ 487 $ 53
Justin Tryon CB $ 492 $ 322
Stephon Heyer OL $ 463 $ 3
Lorenzo Alexander DT $ 460 $ -
Chris Wilson DE $ 460 $ -
Kareem Moore S $ 410 $ 74
Colt Brennan QB $ 409 $ 73
Rob Jackson DE $ 395 $ 31
Chris Horton S $ 394 $ 27
Matt Sinclair LB $ 460 $ -
Alex Buzbee DE $ 460 $ -

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

It's official...I won my fantasy league championship! I'd gladly trade it for a Redskins Super Bowl victory, though...

But then again, I guess that is still technically a "fantasy championship".

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 23, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Lets break it down further these are guys you can't cut because of the salary cap hit. I don't think any one would trade for any of them either there salaries are to big.

2009 R Fee
Clinton Portis RB $ 5,671 $ 13,365
Chris Samuels OT $ 9,378 $ 9,492
Jon Jansen OT $ 3,413 $ 6,188
Randy Thomas OG $ 5,851 $ 13,451
Santana Moss WR $ 6,753 $ 7,217
London Fletcher LB $ 4,350 $ 6,300
Chris Cooley TE $ 3,053 $ 11,167
Andre Carter DE $ 6,598 $ 6,825
Antwaan Randle El WR $ 6,119 $ 6,763

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Good job Brown, I only won 3 games in my league.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Lets break it down further these are guys you can't cut because of the salary cap hit. I don't think any one would trade for any of them either there salaries are to big.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2008 7:29 AM

Good stuff, Flounder. Bear in mind that a trade and a release both result in the same cap hit for the Skins so they wouldn't be able to trade any of these guys even if there was a market for them.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 23, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I would cut these guys saves a lot of money, although JT does'nt really matter he cost nothing unless we keep him.


Jason Taylor DE $ 8,500 $ -
Shawn Springs CB $ 8,483 $ 2,483
Marcus Washington LB $ 6,520 $ 2,020
Cornelius Griffin DT $ 6,166 $ 2,549

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Flounder. I played in a league where only about 5 people even seemed to give a damn (we had one person who NEVER made a single signing or benched any players) and stacked my lineup pretty nicely. I played my brother in the final and crushed him by 50 points. But here's my luck: we didn't play for money or anything this year and next year when we do I'll probably win only like 4 games.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 23, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

This is the FA list for the Skins who do you re-sign?

Ethan Albright LS UFA Redskins
Shaun Alexander RB UFA Redskins
Phillip Daniels DE UFA Redskins
Reed Doughty S RFA Redskins
Demetric Evans DE UFA Redskins
Jason Fabini OG UFA Redskins
Justin Geisinger OG RFA Redskins
Kedric Golston DT RFA Redskins
Mike Green S UFA Redskins
DeAngelo Hall CB UFA Redskins
Pete Kendall OG UFA Redskins
Anthony Montgomery DT RFA Redskins
Shaun Suisham PK RFA Redskins

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Flounder...

DeAngelo Hall CB UFA Redskins
Ethan Albright LS UFA Redskins
Pete Kendall OG UFA Redskins
Mike Green S UFA Redskins
Anthony Montgomery DT RFA Redskins
Justin Geisinger OG RFA Redskins
Demetric Evans DE UFA Redskins
Kedric Golston DT RFA Redskins

Posted by: forever21 | December 23, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Forever,

I agree with all but Kendall I think he is done.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Kendall certainly is a question mark...but figured he'd be quality back-up depth and roll with Geisinger and Rinehart in '09. I'd take Kendall as an emergency back-up before Fabini...

Posted by: forever21 | December 23, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

This is one long thread . . .

I like comparing the Eagles and the Shredskins.

Zorn is a better coach in waiting than Andy Reid is in fact. Reid consistently messes up his time management and depends too much on McNabb, who is at best erratic and unpredictable. Also, Reid's play calling (or McNabb's audibles) on Sunday were awful.

The Eagles have a very good rookie wide receiver, the Skins none even though they drafted three. O lines are about equal when healthy—i.e., OK but not playoff caliber. Etc., etc.

All in all, I'm expecting Zorn to improve as a coach. Also, I am HOPING that Zorn will muscle into the player selection process so that he can push Vinny aside and get the players he needs over the next several years, while unloading some of the overpriced talent that Vinny has so carefully built up over the last 10 years that totally limit the Shredskins' options. Zorn also looks way better on the sidelines than Reid.

Luria vs Snyder? Well, take your pick.

All in all, I'd rather be in Washington. But neither team is a winner in the short or even medium term.

Posted by: JohnRVA | December 23, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Eagles fight song everybody....
DIE Eagles DIE
La da da da da dah...

McNabb is a baby, has been since they boo'ed him on draft day.

I say they should keep him and Reid.

Posted by: kone | December 23, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

let me tell u a little somthing about MCBAD, the EAGLES & their FANBASE. First of all, no matter who the EAGLES lose to, they NEVER GIVE CREDIT TO THE OTHER TEAM for beating them nor do they ever admit that they flat out SUCKED. It's always 'a couple of plays here' or we 'came out flat', etc.
Andy Reids Eagles were beating down the Nfl when it sucked. Is it any coincidence that they're the 1's that suck now that it's more COMPETITIVE?? They're downfall began once Bill Parcells entered the NFC EAST and shoved their old onsides kick trick in their faces.
The Eagles are the ones the most talk on how they're gonna do this and that - go 12-4 every year, yet they are the ONLY TEAM IN THE DIVISION THAT DOES NOT HAVE A SUPERBOWL TROPHY.
So shutup MCTURNOVER. U WILL NEVER BE AIKMAN OR MONTANA. NEVER.

Posted by: lszovati | December 23, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

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