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Artis Hicks: 'Donovan is going to be just fine'

New Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb played in a West Coast scheme his entire NFL career as a member of the Philadelphia Eagles, and Coach Mike Shanahan runs a highly productive version of the offense.

Obviously, Shanahan's offense has wrinkles that are unique to his vision, and McNabb likely will have to learn a few new things. But McNabb is a quick study, said new Redskins lineman Artis Hicks, who was in Philadelphia with McNabb from 2002-05.

"People don't give Donovan credit for being as smart as he is," Hicks said in a phone interview. "Yeah, Donovan has a big arm, he can run and he's a great athlete, but he's also really smart. You don't have the type of success he's had in this offense unless you can think quickly and make great decisions. Sure, they'll be stuff he has to learn here.

"Some of the terminology will be a little different, but the concepts are all the same. He's done great in this offense for a long time, so it won't take a lot for him to get it all down here. He knows what receivers are supposed to do in [West Coast schemes]; he knows what the line's supposed to do and the running backs. And he definitely knows what the quarterback is supposed to do. Donovan is going to be just fine."

By Jason Reid  |  April 5, 2010; 1:14 PM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb  
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Curious how many Skins fans are eager to buy and wear this jersey...

http://shop.redskins.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductSKUID=129410

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 5, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Mock 5.0 is complete!!!

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Trent Williams


(BArring any further trades from the Rams or Redskins)

Book it!

(4th's note: previous Mock was based on having the 2 round pick and/or the Skins trading players for more picks to obtain a LT further in the draft)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Sports Guru is fine... especially in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 5, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

And what do you think -- I should have more hits than swings? You don't understand baseball, do you?

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 1:11 PM

I'm of the Billy Bean philosophy of baseball. It's all about on base %. You would benefit from taking a pitch from time to time instead of swinging out of your shoes and looking like a fool.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

local oakland news station is saying JC and AH are headed their way.... stay tuned

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Sports Guru is fine... especially in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 5, 2010 1:19 PM

Wow, Sports_Guru's a chick. Who'd a thunk it?

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

local oakland news station is saying JC and AH are headed their way.... stay tuned

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 1:22 PM |

Did they say for what?

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

local oakland news station is saying JC and AH are headed their way.... stay tuned

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 1:22 PM |

Link please

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 5, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse


Sports Guru is fine... especially in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 5, 2010 1:19 PM

Wow, Sports_Guru's a chick. Who'd a thunk it?

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 1:23 PM


Grrrr!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 5, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

65, this reeks of a post from a certain poster, claiming stuff from PFT....ryp, and LS seem to be the most guilty parties....IIRC

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

local oakland news station is saying JC and AH are headed their way.... stay tuned

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 1:22 PM |

You said this earlier and the beeps were flying. Need a link or a scenario.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

just hoping, is all.....

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

4. Trent Williams


(BArring any further trades from the Rams or Redskins)

Book it!

(4th's note: previous Mock was based on having the 2 round pick and/or the Skins trading players for more picks to obtain a LT further in the draft)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

If Suh is still on the board, someone will be willing to trade up to get him. Which is what I would hope for. Okung is really the only OT in this draft worth a top 5 draft choice. After Okung there's about 5 OTs that all have the same middle of the first round type grade.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 5, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Skins biggest offseason needs (IMO)
1) Leadership (check- MS, BA, DM)
2) O-line (draft ?)
3) QB/ offense (Check)

two out of three by April isn't bad.....

Posted by: rupertpupkin | April 5, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Nope, this dude is a dude, dude!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 5, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

if true, regarding AH/JC, then that needs to be a 2nd, or higher...anything less, and we're getting stuff stole from us....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

If you would've asked me at 6 PM yesterday evening if trading a starting and accomplished QB to a team in your division was "logical" I would've said no. Hell, fast forward about 19 hours after the fact and I'm still not sure.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 5, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse
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I'll go ahead and go with the "Not Logical" pick.

First off, lets give the iggles due credit for being generally decent talent evaluators. Second, now this means we are the ones trying to move a QB with a one year contract. And lastly, if competition is so great, what's the deal with our tackles? Who is competing right now? Heyer and.... *crickets*

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

i just got home from the mountains, did anything interesting happen?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Nope, this dude is a dude, dude!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 5, 2010 1:29 PM

Can't look good in jeans and a T without big boobs, hard nipples, tight butt. You must have been lying about looking good.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

First off, lets give the iggles due credit for being generally decent talent evaluators. Second, now this means we are the ones trying to move a QB with a one year contract. And lastly, if competition is so great, what's the deal with our tackles? Who is competing right now? Heyer and.... *crickets*

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 1:29 PM |

You keep saying this like the draft is over and the season starts tomorrow, why don't you wait until after the draft atleast to ask this question.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Trent Williams


(BArring any further trades from the Rams or Redskins)

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 1:18 PM |

I like it. I think you could draft Williams a little further down the board, but I like his ability to play three positions well on the Oline.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse


Nope, this dude is a dude, dude!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 5, 2010 1:29 PM

Can't look good in jeans and a T without big boobs, hard nipples, tight butt. You must have been lying about looking good.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 1:30 PM

**lowers head in shame***

...point taken

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 5, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I suppose that should be "logical" from the Eagles perspective...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I like Campbell

McNabb is better, so I'm cool with the trade

the part that worries me is if Campbell splits and then mcNabb splits next year.

If McNabb is one and done then hold onto Campbell.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Okung should fall to us.

Here's why:

The Lions could either get the best DT--and supposedly the consensus top prospect in the draft--at #2 and a highly rated offensive linemen in a deep o-line draft at #34.

or

Get the best OT at #2 and then table scraps of a thin d-line, linebacker, and cornerback draft crop at #34

They have needs everywhere but clearly the first scenario is smarter. However, we're talking about the Lions.

Posted by: Vicc | March 29, 2010 11:31 PM

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Second, now this means we are the ones trying to move a QB with a one year contract.

Posted by: mattsoundworld


Really? You honestly think Shanahan and Allen -- not Vinny Cerrato -- will give up the 37th pick in the draft and not give McNabb at least a three year deal?

I can't see Shanahan and Allen trading away the 37th pick for basically nothing, which is what that will be if McNabb walks at the end of the season.

Only way I'd overlook that is if they win the bowl, and since that ain't happening....

Posted by: RedDMV | April 5, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan should be the #2 guy. I don't like Rex... and Campbell can fetch at least a draft pick.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 5, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

If Suh is still on the board, someone will be willing to trade up to get him. Which is what I would hope for. Okung is really the only OT in this draft worth a top 5 draft choice. After Okung there's about 5 OTs that all have the same middle of the first round type grade.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 5, 2010 1:27 PM


All this barring a trade down. Trading down is no gaureentee....even if Suh is available. READ BELOW:

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Ex-NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah reports that he knows of "a few teams" that have Trent Williams higher than Russell Okung on their draft boards.

The question then becomes, "Do the Redskins prefer Williams to Okung?" Williams is an interesting prospect in that his college run blocking was superior to his pass pro, but he showed outstanding athleticism at the Combine. Mike Shanahan linemen need to be able to get downfield.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5761

http://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/11624044934

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Vicc,

Are you happy today I figured you would have a field day today.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

not at this price.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 12:55 PM

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Whaaaaaat?

Did ya think we were gonna get a legit QB for free?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 5, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse


I thought we could draft and develop a legit QB.

Or if we were going to cough up a bunch of picks, maybe we could get a QB that's not starring back at prime playing years.

We're gonna give McNabb some ridiculous extension - the kind of extension he's been trying to needle out of the Eagles - the kind fo extension that Reid (who knows McNabb as a QB better than anyone on the face of the earth) clearly doesn't think is worth. For Pete's sake, Reid traded McNabb to a division rival! If that doesn't say - "I think this guy is largely finished" I don't konw what would.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

also, many complaints over the last few have been trading away our future for aging vets.

the eagles have managed their team much better, and they are willing to can McNabb.

there are a few red flags in this deal but D Mac5 is a great QB, so I will enjoy changing the name placards on my congressman shuler jersiey

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Say it ain't so, Joe! There is a reason the Eagles never won the "big one" with McNabb; he chokes!

Posted by: 42itus1 | April 5, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Trent Williams


(BArring any further trades from the Rams or Redskins)

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor
_______________________

Well if we have Suh fall to us, I'd think there's a strong possiblility that at least one team would be willing to trade up for him.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 5, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

We're gonna give McNabb some ridiculous extension - the kind of extension he's been trying to needle out of the Eagles - the kind fo extension that Reid (who knows McNabb as a QB better than anyone on the face of the earth) clearly doesn't think is worth. For Pete's sake, Reid traded McNabb to a division rival! If that doesn't say - "I think this guy is largely finished" I don't konw what would.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 1:37 PM |

No thats what Vinny would have done Shanny will not do that they don't play that game.

Reid will be the one who will get run out of town when Kolb isn't the QB they think he is.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

local oakland news station is saying JC and AH are headed their way.... stay tuned

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse


Is this for real?

Are you pulling a BtownGreg on us?

We better be getting back some nice picks. If they're sending us Justin Fargas and Bruce Gradkowski, then I'm gonna start drinking...

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Schefter, da guy who first broke the news of the McNabb trade said Shanny and Campbell had lunch today and that the Skins will keep Campbell if they don't receive the right offer.

Personally, I'm not sure we can get a 4th rounder. So based on Schefter's report I'd say Campbell will be a Redskin!

Now I wish we would have tendered Campbell at a 2nd round. I think some team may have signed him. Now If we can get a 4th I'd be happy.

Isn't it weird that teams can't see how good Campbell is after putting up those numbers behind a terrible O-line?

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

You keep saying this like the draft is over and the season starts tomorrow, why don't you wait until after the draft atleast to ask this question.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse
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Because the draft is pretty much a crap shoot, and I don't see how a night at the casino should be our bailout plan for our other gambles.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Curious how many Skins fans are eager to buy and wear this jersey...

http://shop.redskins.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductSKUID=129410

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 5, 2010 1:16 PM

Heath Shuler's number?

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 5, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I just don't pull what I think from my a$$....(See above post about Trent Williams)...I too do research....

This is why my $h!t sticks to wall more often......Just like McNabb to the Redskins......He is a career WCO QB...Raiders and Bills and Cards do not run the WCO and Rams are in true rebuilding....So Why the F$#K anyone would think he would go there is pure stupid.

And McNabb wanting revenge and Shanny wanting someone to show him the NFC East ropes just makes too much MoFo sense.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Really? You honestly think Shanahan and Allen -- not Vinny Cerrato -- will give up the 37th pick in the draft and not give McNabb at least a three year deal?

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mcNabb doesn't have to sign it, mcnabb holds the cards, and may want to got to Minn, AZ, or somewhere else next year

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Because the draft is pretty much a crap shoot, and I don't see how a night at the casino should be our bailout plan for our other gambles.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 1:40 PM |

So if not the draft where did you expect us to get O-Linemen, and what does getting McNabb have to do with it. You are making no sense.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 1:37 PM

`

4sho!

Boy is BeantownGreg1 in for a surprise when he sees what a stud QB can do for a franchise. He still thinks o-linemen score points.

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

We're gonna give McNabb some ridiculous extension - the kind of extension he's been trying to needle out of the Eagles - the kind fo extension that Reid (who knows McNabb as a QB better than anyone on the face of the earth) clearly doesn't think is worth. For Pete's sake, Reid traded McNabb to a division rival! If that doesn't say - "I think this guy is largely finished" I don't konw what would.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 1:37 PM |

No thats what Vinny would have done Shanny will not do that they don't play that game.

Reid will be the one who will get run out of town when Kolb isn't the QB they think he is.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse


We either going to give him an extension that he's not worth or we are going to let him walk at the end of 2010 and would have given up 2 high-round picks for a 1 year rental.

Which scenario do you like?

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan should be the #2 guy. I don't like Rex... and Campbell can fetch at least a draft pick.

Posted by: Sports_Guru

nooooooooooooooooooooooo, I think we should hold Campbell until mcNabb signs extension, Rex has started and played in playoffs, Brennan has zero snaps

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 1:37 PM

For the record, I agree with you. I made thoughts on this trade apparent last night.

I feel we've done the Eagles a favor and the talent gap from this trade will only widen and we are still the 4th best team in our division..

And while we are 5 months from the start of the season we are in the same boat as the Eagles, boys, & ginas except they already have a better roster and have more resources (draft picks) to put us further in the hole.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
April 5th, 2010 1:44
Haynesworth/Campbell to Raiders for 4th round pick

For the 2nd time in as many day's the Washington Redskins have made a huge trade, only unlike the Donovan McNabb trade, in this one, they were fleeced. The Raiders will receive both Albert Haynesworth, as well as Jason Campbell, in exchange for a lowly 4th round draft pick. Despite the lopsided trade, many at Redskins Park are looking at getting rid of Albert Haynesworth as addition by subtraction. Stay tuned.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

4th's got a buck fifty on his shoulder.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 5, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Really? You honestly think Shanahan and Allen -- not Vinny Cerrato -- will give up the 37th pick in the draft and not give McNabb at least a three year deal?

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mcNabb doesn't have to sign it, mcnabb holds the cards, and may want to got to Minn, AZ, or somewhere else next year

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse


Exactly. Which means if we are going to keep McNabb past this year, then we will have to OVERPAY him with an extension.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Agreed if you can't get a 4th or better...you don't trade Campbell....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

We either going to give him an extension that he's not worth or we are going to let him walk at the end of 2010 and would have given up 2 high-round picks for a 1 year rental.

Which scenario do you like?

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 1:43 PM |

We will give him an extension how do you know he won't be worth it, I wait and see I don't just throw sh_t around.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

If we trade back in the draft, then we might get the player I've been pimping the most...

LB Rolando McClain 6'4" 260lbs and he's a ILB. When you look at NFL rosters, the OLB's are typically the bigger linebackers.

In my opinion he is the best defensive player in this draft and London Fletcher ain't getting younger!

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk

sounds more like Reid wanted to extend mcNabb and thinks he has 3 or 4 good years left, Banner made the deal due to Kolb's threats to walk

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk

sounds more like Reid wanted to extend mcNabb and thinks he has 3 or 4 good years left, Banner made the deal due to Kolb's threats to walk

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I haven't seen anything that tells me the offensive line is going to be improved enough to keep McNabb from getting drilled often. No long term fix here, so I'm skeptical there will be much improvement.

Posted by: oo7 | April 5, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

So the Redskins are willing to move Campbell, Landry or Hainesworth.

The #4 pick will depend on which deal they can get done, and maybe Campbell isn't the deal, maybe he stays on the roster.

Stranger things just happened.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 5, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Reid will be the one who will get run out of town when Kolb isn't the QB they think he is.

Posted by: Flounder21

nope, Reid wanted mcNabb, Banner will get fired if Kolb sucks

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Last season, Jason Campbell had:
10 (was it 11?) different starters on the OL
4 different starters at RB
3 different coaches calling plays a game
2 different starting #2 WRs
2 different starting TEs
2 GMs
1 incredibly dysfunctional organization


Yet, Campbell had a QB rating in the top half of the league and was 3rd in rushing among QBs with over 5 yards/carry, fwiw, he had as many rushing TDs as Portis+LJ+Parker combined.

Amazing that he doesn't have trade value. It would be in everyone's best interests if Campbell asks to be released and the Skins grant it.

It doesn't appear the Skins are going to get substantial value for Campbell, so the downside is limited. The upside is it would make DC a more attractive option for guys who want to come here in the future -- that the team also looks after the player's best interest.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 5, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

For those worried about the second round pick: would you rather have drafted a QB in round two like Tebow? You have a much better chance of success (both short term and long term) with McNabb than throwing a dart at a second round QB. Picking a QB in round two is like playing pin the tail on the donkey.

Posted by: Jason10 | April 5, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Agreed if you can't get a 4th or better...you don't trade Campbell....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 1:46 PM

I'd trade him for whatever we can get that's better than a ham sandwich. Say, a pulled pork BBQ. No point in keeping him around, coaching him up in a new offense for one year for the possibility that McNabb misses a few games. We should move on and we should let him move on.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

mcNabb doesn't have to sign it, mcnabb holds the cards, and may want to got to Minn, AZ, or somewhere else next year

Posted by: pabrian2003


How do you know that he may figure that he has an equal or better chance at winning here than any of those places?

A lot of this stuff we're all talking commands a 'wait and see' approach.

Again, I find it hard to believe that SHANAHAN AND ALLEN makes this deal without having some agreement in place to re-sign McNabb PRIOR to making the trade.

I guess that makes too much sense for some of you.


The move may reek of Cerrato, but the fact is that it isn't Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 5, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

We should move on and we should let him move on.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 1:51 PM

Plus the contract we tendered him -- $3 million plus is way too much to pay a backup QB.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Agreed if you can't get a 4th or better...you don't trade Campbell....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 1:46 PM

He walks after this year. You trade him for whatever you can get. He offers no value to the Redskins except what he nets in a trade.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

mcNabb doesn't have to sign it, mcnabb holds the cards, and may want to got to Minn, AZ, or somewhere else next year

Posted by: pabrian2003


How do you know that he may figure that he has an equal or better chance at winning here than any of those places?


Posted by: RedDMV | April 5, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, McClain is going to be a big star.

Back to McNabb - this is an incredibly risky - and I think stupid - trade by the Eagles. Kolb is unproven and there's nothing behind him.

And a second and fourth/potential third next year is pretty thin for your starting QB.

Good deal for Washington if they can address those other areas. If not, McNabb makes them a 7-9 team, maybe 8-8.

Yeah, lots of time to go before the season starts but I'm lost as to how they can fix these other areas with what they have.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Zeke, I would rather take a 5th or even a 6th then to just let JC walk. That makes no sense at all.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 5, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

So if not the draft where did you expect us to get O-Linemen, and what does getting McNabb have to do with it. You are making no sense.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse
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Because now, instead of trying to just land a top 10 talent, we are trying to land a top 10 LT. We just severely limited our own winning odds. This is like playing Black Jack where only 21 pays out. Sure, if we hit 21, it pays out big, but that doesn't justify wrecklessness.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

mcNabb doesn't have to sign it, mcnabb holds the cards, and may want to got to Minn, AZ, or somewhere else next year

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse


Exactly. Which means if we are going to keep McNabb past this year, then we will have to OVERPAY him with an extension.


Posted by: p1funk

which is why you keep Campbell, if you go somewhere pay mcNabb next year if you don't Campbell holds down the fort and you draft a QB next year

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Donovan will be just fine... he'll keep getting a fat paycheck.

Unfortunately, the Skins will suck until they get some younger, faster, better players across the O-line and at RB. Giving up high draft picks for 33-year-olds with a lot of recent injuries isn't going to get that done.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 1:43 PM |

We will give him an extension how do you know he won't be worth it, I wait and see I don't just throw sh_t around.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse


Right. I suppose it's possible that we extend him and win the next 2-3 Superbowls.

After all, we have all the makings of being the next Patriots-style dynasty.

We're just one player away...

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I just knew HAYNESWORTH was on the block. SHANAHAN wants no part of an independently wealthy, and highly individualistic player. I won't fault him for that. So who's on the block besides HAYNESWORTH and CAMPBELL?

COOLEY?
PORTIS?
CARTER?

I'm guessing - strictly guessing - that SHANAHAN already has another taker for HAYNESWORTH, but has only been offered a second for him. And a relatively high second pick, but wants a one, or a second and a kicker.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 5, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

if you wish to hear cooley talk about the trade, go here

http://www.facebook.com/EITMonline

Posted by: Zeebs | April 5, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 5, 2010 1:51 PM

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I beat you to it zce zce.

Isn't it weird that teams can't see how good Campbell is after putting up those numbers behind a terrible O-line?

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 1:40 PM

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It just confirms what I've been saying for the longest time. The Charlie Casserly video is proof that Jason Campbell will continue to be average even when he has protection and WR's running open.

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Zeke, I would rather take a 5th or even a 6th then to just let JC walk. That makes no sense at all.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 5, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse
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Anyone know what the compensatory pick would be if we did let him walk? Might be higher than the 5th or 6th in a trade.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk

sounds more like Reid wanted to extend mcNabb and thinks he has 3 or 4 good years left, Banner made the deal due to Kolb's threats to walk

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse


I've not read that, but if it's true it still doesn't stand to reason that they'd trade him to a division rival when there were other suitors out there.

Clearly, on some level, they're not that afraid of facing Donovan McNabb.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"You don't have the type of success he's had in this offense unless you can think quickly and make great decisions."

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This will be a refreshing change.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 5, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

mcNabb doesn't have to sign it, mcnabb holds the cards, and may want to got to Minn, AZ, or somewhere else next year

Posted by: pabrian2003


How do you know that he may figure that he has an equal or better chance at winning here than any of those places?

A lot of this stuff we're all talking commands a 'wait and see' approach.

Again, I find it hard to believe that SHANAHAN AND ALLEN makes this deal without having some agreement in place to re-sign McNabb PRIOR to making the trade.

I guess that makes too much sense for some of you.


The move may reek of Cerrato, but the fact is that it isn't Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: RedDMV

how do I know that he doesn't have to sign it???? he;s donovan f'in mcNabb, no adult american has to sign an empolyers contract

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

'Giving up high draft picks for 33-year-olds with a lot of recent injuries isn't going to get that done.'

Gives them a year or two of being more competitive. DM is clearly an upgrade.

But after that, who knows....

Really, as others have noted, this seems like another Cerrato/Snyder move. Short term thinking over long term planning.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Lost in this McNabb to 'Skins trade drama is this important fact:

We've closed the talent gap between us and the Iggles.

Is any1 else looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era? Raise your hands...

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk

which is why you keep Campbell, if you go somewhere pay mcNabb next year if you don't Campbell holds down the fort and you draft a QB next year

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse


If mcNabb plays at a high level that warrants a big extension, then the Skins will be in a bidding war with other teams and the price will likely go up.

If we let him walk, we blew 2 picks for nothing, especially when we had JC17 on the roster the entire time who could have played the role of 1-year rental minus the cost of 2 draft picks.

If McNabb is playing all season there will be no opportunity to evaluate Jsaon Campbell in this offense, and thus we will be back at square 1 next season if McNabb walks and Campbell is around except he'd be an FA with no incentive to remain here unless we paid him big.

Bottom line: Your scenario makes no sense.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth a Raider, according to NFL.com site.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 5, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Why are some people here so anxious to get rid of a perrennial Pro-Bowler like Albert Haynesworth?

He's missed less games than McNabb over the past few years.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth

@mortreport Shanahan's always wants a top LT; & top C; rest of guys just athletic. Only LT needs to be "Pro Bowl" type w/ zone blocking/cut scheme. about an hour ago

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

It just confirms what I've been saying for the longest time. The Charlie Casserly video is proof that Jason Campbell will continue to be average even when he has protection and WR's running open.

Posted by: Vicc

The Casserly video is strange to me. Maybe there were better plays, but Campbell completes 3 of 4 passes for as many yards as he would have if he'd done what Casserly wanted.

The only play that I can't see is the play to Cooley, and it might be that Campbell hasn't finished his drop when Cooley makes his cut ... that would be the design of the play.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 5, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: p1funk

sounds more like Reid wanted to extend mcNabb and thinks he has 3 or 4 good years left, Banner made the deal due to Kolb's threats to walk

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse


I've not read that, but if it's true it still doesn't stand to reason that they'd trade him to a division rival when there were other suitors out there.

Clearly, on some level, they're not that afraid of facing Donovan McNabb.

Posted by: p1funk

well I did reid that and heard it from reid's mouth on TV, AND they didn't want to trade him in the division, but mcNabb refused to go to the other teams interested and threatened to retire

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

lh, something is up....something has gone down, and AH was part of it, seems like based on that photo...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Why are some people here so anxious to get rid of a perrennial Pro-Bowler like Albert Haynesworth?

He's missed less games than McNabb over the past few years.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 2:07 PM

Same reason Shanny/Allen are so anxious to get rid of the perennial malcontent.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

'Haynesworth a Raider, according to NFL.com site'

Some tough times for the NFL. They're now using photobucket to post their stuff.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 2:10 PM

You just had to go and be Mr. Observant. Belated April fools!

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 5, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

'something has gone down, and AH was part of it, seems like based on that photo...'

That was a spoof. Photoshopped image.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

how do I know that he doesn't have to sign it???? he;s donovan f'in mcNabb, no adult american has to sign an empolyers contract

Posted by: pabrian2003


Peeps must learn how to comprehend.

I didn't say he had to sign the contract.

I said that, how do you know after going through training camp and maybe a few games into the season McNabb won't look around and think: I have a chance to win here as good as any other place where I can be a starter.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 5, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

A few key differences between McNabb and Campbell are the ability to make quick decisions and accurately throw the deep pass...

Campbell is still a restricted free agent who has received a 1st round tender from the Skins. The only reason to trade him is if decent value can be obtained -- at least a 2nd or packaged for an OT -- otherwise, I assume he would still be retained as the backup QB.

Posted by: siris | April 5, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Was just over at NFL.com and a lot of comments there suggested that the Panthers would be the best fit for JC.

As a lifelong DC area resident before moving down here to NC 10 years ago, I of course, see the Panthers every week. And I would say out of all of the teams that he would draw interest from (BUF, OAK, JAX, CAR), the Panthers would be the best fit overall. A strong running game a good O-Line would do wonders for him. The main problems there are that, like the Skins, the Panthers have one only one legit WR, (Steve Smith) and Fox of course, is Parcells run-the-ball coach.

However, I think JC could flourish in such a system, if Carolina can get a decent #2 WR via draft (where they have failed nearly as badly as the Lions have over the last few years) or through FA.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | April 5, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

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