Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: RedskinsInsider and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  E-mail alerts: Redskins and Sports  |  RSS

Big questions heading into the bye

The Redskins have hit the bye week, but Monday is hardly a day off -- not for coaches, not for players and certainly not for fans, who have more questions now than any other point this season. Players are due at Redskins Park later Monday morning to review film and visit the practice field. Coach Mike Shanahan will address reporters in the afternoon, and you can bet there will be a question or two about quarterback Donovan McNabb.

Shanahan chose to bench McNabb late in Sunday's loss in Detroit, saying he felt more comfortable with Rex Grossman running the two-minute offense. It's certainly a curious decision. For starters, Grossman, who was with Kyle Shanahan last year in Houston, had never run the two-minute offense in a game. He also hadn't had a single snap all season and sat on the bench for the first 58 minutes of Sunday's game.

Second, McNabb actually had run the team's two-minute this season. In fact, he ran it earlier in Sunday's game. The Redskins scored two field goals in the final two minutes of the first half. Perhaps Shanahan expected more out of those two drives?

Anyhow, there's plenty to discuss today, but let's start with a round-up of stories from Detroit.

From Barry Svrluga, here's all the background on Shanahan's decision to bench McNabb late in the game.

The secret is out: coaches don't trust McNabb, and Mike Wise says the veteran quarterback has eight games to prove that he's their man.

Tracee Hamilton notes that the Redskins test fans' patience and says that "Shanahan threw McNabb under the bus, backed it up and drove over him with it."

Problems, problems and more problems, as the 4-4 Redskins head into the bye week, writes Jason Reid.

Looking for a bright spot? Brandon Banks set a franchise record in return yards.

Dan Steinberg has all the bests and the worsts from the Redskins loss to the Lions.

By Rick Maese  | November 1, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb, Mike Shanahan  
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: DeAngelo Hall: 'We just didn't execute' vs. Lions
Next: NBC analysts pan Donovan McNabb benching

Comments

How anyone could watch that game and think that McNabb was the problem is about as insane a thought as there is.

...it's another thing to be openly embarrassed and slighted like McNabb was on Sunday.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 5:39 AM

Brownie, you're beating a straw man. No one in the world contends that "McNabb is THE problem." But does anyone in the world deny that McNabb is A problem?

McNabb openly embarrassed HIMSELF on Sunday. Not only are his prospects with the Redskins sinking after that performance, so are his prospects with every other team in the league. The size of his next contract is shrinking faster than wool in a washer.

That said, I think the 'Skins had a better chance winning that game yesterday with McNabb on the field (slim) than with Grossman out there (none). And, in each case, it wasn't the QB but the OL that doomed them.

If McNabb doesn't play better in the last half of the season than he did in the first half, he's done here. He can still land a starting gig with another team, but (1) he may not be able to sign a contract before the lockout with anyone but the 'Skins and (2) unless he has a better second half, the size of his contract is going to be "disappointing" to him and his agent. This is all on McNabb. Can't blame the Shanahans. He knows what he has to do, and he hasn't done it.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 6:22 AM | Report abuse

McNabb can go ahead and go to Arizona now.

Yes, the line sucks but even when McNabb has time, he hits his receivers in the feet.

The next time he hits a receiver in stride will be the first. Receivers almost always have to slow down for the catch or get led out of bounds.

While it's true that he will make a brilliant play and pull out a game or two for you every year, those magical moments are few and far between and don't make up for the games he costs you by playing like he did yesterday.

It sucks that we gave up 2 draft picks for this dud but I wouldn't compound the problem by signing him long term.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 1, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

You can sense it now....her come the over reacting Redskins fan and media calling for people's heads!!!

Waaaah......for chrissakes people its a SINGLE game. Let's move on.

McNabb shouldn't have thrown that pick into TRIPLE coverage....he got punished for it.

Let's be honest if not for BANKS and the stellar play of the Defense (that the same fan whiners hated early in the season)...this would have been a much uglier game.

The media will overblow this...the boobird fans will call for a coach firing (how stupid is that idea?) and will yell that McNabb should leave the team (even though the Redskins have a franchise tag to prevent that easily).

Use your brains folks......its fans like these crackpots that have created these nutball Tea Partiers that further prove the adage that Darwin's theory of evolution is failing.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | November 1, 2010 6:38 AM | Report abuse

You can sense it now....her come the over reacting Redskins fan and media calling for people's heads!!!

Waaaah......for chrissakes people its a SINGLE game. Let's move on.

McNabb shouldn't have thrown that pick into TRIPLE coverage....he got punished for it.

Let's be honest if not for BANKS and the stellar play of the Defense (that the same fan whiners hated early in the season)...this would have been a much uglier game.

The media will overblow this...the boobird fans will call for a coach firing (how stupid is that idea?) and will yell that McNabb should leave the team (even though the Redskins have a franchise tag to prevent that easily).

Use your brains folks......its fans like these crackpots that have created these nutball Tea Partiers that further prove the adage that Darwin's theory of evolution is failing.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | November 1, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

McNabb and Kyle clearly are on different pages in terms of philosophy, and the young coordinator would do better to conform to McNabb's strengths than the other way around.

Also, and this is real basic, DON'T GO INTO A GAME WITH JUST 2 RB's!!!

Posted by: alex35332 | November 1, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't call that good defense. It may have been scheme but they played soft most of the 4th Q.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 1, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

McNabb and Kyle clearly are on different pages in terms of philosophy, and the young coordinator would do better to conform to McNabb's strengths than the other way around.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 1, 2010 6:44 AM

Deary me, Alex. You think McNabb should be allowed to overrule his boss? And that's because McNabb has done .... what?

The OC is hired to run the offense. The QB is hired to execute the offense. McNabb hasn't been able to execute the offense, so now you think that McNabb should design his own offense because ....

I just don't get it. Shanahan is widely regarded as one of the best OC's in the league. He's had success at this. That's why we were glad to see him come to the Redskins. My own view is that if McNabb can't learn the offense it's a mark against McNabb, not Shanahan.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse

did anyone else notice they took mcnabb out at the end...?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 1, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

McNabb openly embarrassed HIMSELF on Sunday. Not only are his prospects with the Redskins sinking after that performance, so are his prospects with every other team in the league. The size of his next contract is shrinking faster than wool in a washer.

That said, I think the 'Skins had a better chance winning that game yesterday with McNabb on the field (slim) than with Grossman out there (none). And, in each case, it wasn't the QB but the OL that doomed them.

If McNabb doesn't play better in the last half of the season than he did in the first half, he's done here. He can still land a starting gig with another team, but (1) he may not be able to sign a contract before the lockout with anyone but the 'Skins and (2) unless he has a better second half, the size of his contract is going to be "disappointing" to him and his agent. This is all on McNabb. Can't blame the Shanahans. He knows what he has to do, and he hasn't done it.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 6:12 AM


McNabb isn't playing well. Granted. But what I'm saying is that it's oversimplifying things to say that "McNabb's a problem".

There's cause and effect at play here...he's got no O-line and only one viable WR. Everyone knew going in he's not the most accurate QB in the world and the huge draw was that he throws a good deep ball and has the mobility to make plays when the designed play breaks down. He's done that thus far. At what point do folks stop blaming the QB and start noticing the clusterf*ck of mediocrity around him isn't up to snuff?

Everyone wanted to run JC outta town because he couldn't win games by himself. Now you have a guy who IS winning games by himself and now you want HIM gone too. I just don't get it.

Yes, McNabb could play better. But considering he doesn't have enough time to get his feet set to throw a damn ball, going 17 for 30, over 200+ yards, and a TD is pretty damn good. Hell, I'm just glad he only threw ONE pick in this game...who could blame him for throwing more when you're running for your life on every snap?

Even an "elite" QB would struggle when he's sacked, hurried, or hit on 26 out of 36 dropbacks. Stop and think about that for a second...sacked, hurried, or hit on 26 of 36 dropbacks...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Donnavan did throw that pick! in tripple coverage which really cost us close to the end.. but still I feel for him with this O-line sorry Casey but dude you have to go!!! 4-4 I will take then Dallas 1-6 LMBO stand up DC Skins are on the comeback!

Posted by: elj220 | November 1, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

McNabb and Kyle clearly are on different pages in terms of philosophy, and the young coordinator would do better to conform to McNabb's strengths than the other way around.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 1, 2010 6:44 AM


McNabb's strength seems to be throwing passes to his receivers feet. You'd be hard pressed to find an OC in the league that will conform to that philosophy.

Unless you have chimpanzees for wide receivers, of course.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 1, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

My own view is that if McNabb can't learn the offense it's a mark against McNabb, not Shanahan.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 7:09 AM


As many close games as we've played this year, if McNabb can't run a 2-minute drill in Week 8, that's on Shanahan. Period.

And I openly question the sanity of any coach who believes that The Human Turnover gives them a better chance to win than a 6-time Pro Bowler with more championship game appearances than Redskin wins in '09 alone. The only way that's true is if Danny Wuerffel is on your roster...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

McNabb's strength seems to be throwing passes to his receivers feet. You'd be hard pressed to find an OC in the league that will conform to that philosophy.

Unless you have chimpanzees for wide receivers, of course.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 1, 2010 7:21 AM


Chimps might be a step up.

I gotta hear this...since McNabb is soooo epic awful, and JC is the worst QB in world, then who could lead this offense to 4 wins without an O-line and only one legit NFL receiver? Please...name me ONE...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

QB who has been to playoffs how many times and won how many games?

OC who has never been to the playoffs, never played the game and whose daddy is the HC.

I am sure little Kyle came in with his scheme and that was that.

Problem with the Skins is starts with the owner and goes down to the the cleaning crew. Ineptness from top to bottom.

Philly did their best 3 card montie on Brucie, Danny Boy and Mikie and they bit.
Crack WP sports writers Donovan has a lot left in tank. There is a new GM and regime in town. Even Vinnie could have seen this shell game. What is the old Who song?

So Redskins got conned by the Eagles, they have Herr Shanahan as head coach and Oberfueher Kylie as OC. Why would Donovan respect this little puke what has he won? Did Houston make the playoffs with this whinie little Nazi as OC? No.

So the question is where do the Skins find their next HC after the hippie dippie Zorn and Herr Shanahan the SS Nazi?

Skins will never make get to SB with Danny as owner. And please Brucie is a fool. What FAs want to play for Skins next year under this regime?

Posted by: sheepherder | November 1, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

As many close games as we've played this year, if McNabb can't run a 2-minute drill in Week 8, that's on Shanahan. Period.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 7:24 AM

Ha-ha! Good one, brownwood. You and my 14 year old son are on the same wave length. He's pulling a D in geometry after eight weeks, and...IT'S THE TEACHER'S FAULT. Period. As in you must be in yours today.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

The secret is out: coaches don't trust McNabb, and Mike Wise says the veteran quarterback has eight games to prove that he's their man.


Doesn't this depend on what your definition of a 'secret' is?

Some of us have been pointing out for three weeks that McNabb isn't worth an extension.

We've posted that to date, we've not seen one efficient, well-managed 60 minute affait with Donovan McNabb under center.

Yes, you can blame a variety of factors for this.

But with it being game 8, there should have been long stretches of games where our 'elite' quarterback showed us he was worth the picks and the money.

Yesterday, as in previous games, McNabb has played like an older version of Jason Campbell, a guy who's been playing lately like a younger version of Donovan McNabb.

At the BYE, the Shanahan-McNabb marriage is on the rocks.

We predict a late February divorce that culminates in an amicable trade to Arizona or Minnesota.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 1, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Peyton Manning. You're welcome.

Donovan didn't lead the team to a win over Chicago, Green Bay, Philly or Dallas. We won those games in spite of him.

The o-line sucks and the receivers are garbage, I'll give you that. But is it too much to ask of our 6 time prow bowl, 5 time NFC Championship QB to make a basic NFL throw once in a while?

I'll need to reveiew the film, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't Stephon Heyer that threw a weak-ass softball into triple coverage when protecting the lead at the end of the game.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 1, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

There is plenty of blame to go around for this loss...the OL, Philip Daniels' horrendous penalty on 4th and goal, McNabb, Not doubling Megatron, Heyer being a sieve, Fred Davis dropping 2 2-pt conversions, etc....Torain getting hurt was also a huge blow.

We knew the Lions are alot better with Stafford than Shaun Hill and they do have talent, were coming off a bye and were at home (hence the 3pt spread in their favor)....and that every game this year will be (and has been) down to the wire really for this redskins team.

Its just the way it is......The Redskins aren't good enough to blow people out...and they aren't horrid enough to get completely blown out.

1st half of the season is done....and compared to last year I give them a B Grade.

Considering how difficult the remaining schedule is ( 6 of 8 remaining games against teams with winning records...and the last 2 against the Vikings and Dallas which despite their records are not pushover teams)......there will be plenty of time for people to raise up arms and call for people's heads....my prediction of 8-8 is still tentative.

Fans should take it easy and expect some realistic expectations as well as surprises and disappointments.....this is still only WEEK 8 of YEAR ONE of a new coach, new gm, new offense, new defense, new QB....granted our entire society has ADD and demands perfection now....we asked for change...and we got it. Now let's see how it plays out. With the age on this roster.....this is the last season for a # of these players on the REDSKINS.

That being said.....if there is a new CBA agreed to.....I can guarantee you that the team we see next season will be ALOT different than the one we are seeing this season. If you thought the purge of the roster this past spring was huge.....

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | November 1, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Folks, it was a team loss.

McNabb sucked yes, but I'll say it till I'm gasping for air, "the game is won or lost at the line of scrimmage". our d-line and o-line got beat by their d-line and o-line, period. all the mistakes made yesterday are a reflection of a league with to many teams and a talent pool not big enough to stock 32 NFL teams with PROFESSIONAL football players. penalties, fumbles, interceptions, missed tackles, and missed assignments are at an all time high. some of these games are unbearable to watch.

It's been a decade of this type of football from the redskins and it's going to take years to straighten things out. one thing that will help us get better will be keeping our draft picks and not obtain veteran players with them.

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

He's pulling a D in geometry after eight weeks, and...IT'S THE TEACHER'S FAULT. Period. As in you must be in yours today.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 7:42 AM


Unless your kid is getting hit by an oncoming rush exactly 2 seconds after he's trying to answer the questions, then I fail to see the correlation.

If Brian Baldinger's words about McNabb are even half true, then Shanahan should be "dumbing down" this offense for him to "cover his inadequacies" like Reid supposedly did for so many years. If that's the case, then Reid is a better coach than Shanahan and I seriously doubt that's true.

If he's not grasping the offense, then simplify it. If he can't run a 2-minute drill, then get yourself 3 plays he can do well and take those to the huddle. I'm still waiting to see the steady diet of bootlegs we were promised to take advantage of McNabb's strengths.

I'm tired of everyone b*tching and whining about what the QB CAN'T do. How about putting the guy in a position to excel at the things he CAN do? If they can find a role for malcontent like AH, certainly they can carve out a way to maximize the return on the McNabb investment.

McNabb wasn't here when Shanahan showed up...he went out and got him, grinning like a Cheshire cat the whole way. If this blows up in his face, that's on HIM...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

SHANAHAN wants his Q-back next in the draft since he has "fixed" his offensive line.

Remember, BIG MIKE WILLIAMS will be back and all will be well with the o-line then. He will take over.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 1, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

The McNabb drama is just a cover for coaching mistakes: going for 2 - twice - which ultimately allowed the Lions to pull in front by a score, and going for it on 4th and 10 on your own 30ish with 3 minutes left, two timeouts, and the 2 minute warning, which ultimately spotted Det an extra 3.

Just reversing the two reaches for points should have put the score at 27-28 with 3 minutes left- punt the dang ball and put it on your D to get it back with a 3 to win.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 1, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

The McNabb drama is just a cover for coaching mistakes: going for 2 - twice - which ultimately allowed the Lions to pull in front by a score, and going for it on 4th and 10 on your own 30ish with 3 minutes left, two timeouts, and the 2 minute warning, which ultimately spotted Det an extra 3.

Just reversing the two reaches for points should have put the score at 27-28 with 3 minutes left- punt the dang ball and put it on your D to get it back with a 3 to win.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 1, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Actually, throwing it to "board-hands" DAVIS was the problem. COOLEY is usually the go to body in that spot, but he was hurt?

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 1, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Peyton Manning. You're welcome.


Posted by: Original_etrod | November 1, 2010 7:52 AM


LOL...that's rich.

You mean Peyton Manning? The guy who's played in the same offense his ENTIRE career? The immoblie guy who's never had worse than an average O-line? The guy who's had elite level coaching and the best FO in the league for the past 10 years? The guy with a bounty of targets? THAT guy?

You give Manning this O-line and this group of WRs, and he'll be dead by Week 10. Not injured...DEAD.

Hate on McNabb all you want...he's the reason we're 4-4. Without him, we're 2-6 at best.

Is he flawed? Yes. Inaccurate at times? Sure. But his skill set is the perfect one for what we've got here--nothing.

So you keep wishing for the unicorn that is a "perfect" QB that can win games literally by himself. I'll deal in reality.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld

The McNabb drama is just a cover for coaching mistakes

Well, then, the first coaching mistake was trading for McNabb.

No one with good sense endorsed this idea, given the issues leftover from the Wizards of Redskin Park.

It made sense last winter to extend Campbell, re-builld the line, and then, with him in an improved situation, let him keep the seat warm while a young solid quarterback could be acquired.

Giving up picks to get McNabb made no sense then and less now.

Franchise the guy and trade him--and Albert Haynesworth--for value in picks for the 2011 draft.

And we can start our rebuild from there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 1, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | November 1, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Goonie, that's some fine logic. However, no true Skins fan throws their emotions out the door after a trifling display of coaching and execution like yesterday and says "eh, we're mediocre so it's ok". Sorry, ain't gonna happen.

Like most, I was psst as heLL. No "staying medium" here. Had to hit the driving range to vent on some golf balls, otherwise I might have pooch kicked my pooch.

Simply put, regardless of the growing pains of new staff/system NOONE should be content with the way the team is playing. Week 1, maybe, but not week 8.

On a brighter note, the cellar dwelling Cowgirls are 1-6.

Posted by: HTTR | November 1, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Just some quick points this Monday morning:

-If McNabb still hasn't gotten this offense down, including the two minute drill, then maybe it is time to slim the playbook down. McNabb should be the quarterback for the rest of the season. If he can't turn it around, the say good-bye at the end of the season. I still think signing him now, while his value is low, would be smart. If it doesn't work out this year, the team could trade him at the end of the season.

-When your team is struggling, you have to get back to the basics. Blocking, tackling, thowing, catching and running the ball should be the focus over the bye. No one should be trying to install new plays. They have to remediate everyone in Football 101.

-Still trying to see clearly why Lichtensteiger is better than Dockery and why the team isn't auditioning centers.

-Brandon Banks is explosive. Why can't they get him in on a few offensive series?

-Roydell Williams has two receptions on the season. How is keeping this guy over Terrence Austin benefiting the team?

-Galloway is also fading. I would understand completely if the team walked away from Williams and Galloway and focused on playing Banks and Austing in their places for the rest of the season.

-With the bye week coming on, I think it is the right time to go to the youth movement. In addition to elevating Austin, I think the team should look at bringing up at least one of the young linemen. Danger Will Robinson?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 1, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Bwwwwwaaaaaahhhhhhaaaaaahhhhhhaaaaaaaa!!!

Y'all stink something FIERCE.

Hey Shanahan-lovers (both of 'em), how's that working out for you?? You won't find two bigger boneheads than that father-son combination y'all worship every Sunday. Putting in a stone-cold QB in the last minutes of winnable game and expecting something good to come out of it? ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!

The putrid fumes from this Deadskins Insider board are about to knock me flat on my a s s. Bye, you blind homers!

-HTTD-

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | November 1, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and I forgot to mention the 43 pass plays to 19 run plays (excluding McNabb scrambles). Pop Warner sauce.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 1, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Reid is a better coach then Shanie. Man can you see Herr Shanahan with the QB issues in Philly. It would be a total team and PR disaster. Only reason Herr Shanahan won a SB was becuase of Elway.

Skins Ol line has to be one of the worst in the NFl only Chicago's is worse. They have the worst RBs in the NFL. TE's are average and their WRs are near the bottom in the NFL.

Elway and Montana couldnt win with these losers.

Herr Shanhan is upset because he lost at 3 card montie to Andy Reid.

Posted by: sheepherder | November 1, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Seriously look at the offensive personnel:

Rookie LT.
Lichtensteiger at LG. (Didn’t play at all in 2009!)
Rabach
Hicks (Career Back Up)
Heyer!!! (or J Brown, banged up, didn’t play in 2009, either!!)

Moss, Armstrong (27, from SW Texas St! didn’t play in 2009!!), Galloway (39 yrs old! barely played in 2009!!), R Williams (didn’t play in 2009!)

Torain (didn’t play in 2009!!), K Williams (started 3 games in COLLEGE!!)


Posted by: tbarz1 | November 1, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and one last thing: stop monkeying with McNabb's mechanics!!! It is clear McNabb is thinking more about where to put his feet than what he should be doing with the ball. Just let him do what comes naturally and leave his mechanics alone.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 1, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

If not for Daniels/Doughty boneheaded penalties we wouldn't even be talking about this right now.

Silver lining -- at least we didn't get THROTTLED at HOME by a questionable team at best.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

not sure what was worse:

the pathetic offense, I mean, when the Detroit qb can throw for 1/2 of the TD's in one game, that Dmac has thrown in 8 games, thats pathetic...

the pathetic defense

the pathetic coaching, if anyone should have gotten benched it should have been Kyle, that move is coming back to haunt the team, and I'm curious if daddy has the stones to call out his son....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

RSH, going with a "youth movement" means you're throwing in the towel on this season. How you do that at 4-4 in a wide open NFC is beyond me...

Agree on auditioning centers...there's NO way I'm buying that Kevin Mawae is anything other than a huge upgrade over Rabach. Get Mawae, move Rabach to guard and put Lichtensteiger where he belongs--on the bench backing up the starting center.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

If Brian Baldinger's words about McNabb are even half true, then Shanahan should be "dumbing down" this offense for him to "cover his inadequacies" like Reid supposedly did for so many years. If that's the case, then Reid is a better coach than Shanahan and I seriously doubt that's true.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't say Reid was 'dumbing down' the offense in Philly, that's just the way he called that version of the West Coast. If McNabb was having a problem in that offense then they would have gone out and gotten a better running back and actually tried to have a running game to help take some pressure off of McNabb.

But I would try and simplify this offense for McNabb, cause he's obviously having problems.

I'd like to see us throw more screen passes, kinda like Reid does like every third play! Maybe not that much, but we should be mixing it up a little more. We should be setting up the big play by going short, short, short, then double move and burn em!

Yesterday was not ALL McNabb's fault, even though he shouldn't have thrown that interception! Our OLine looked like Pop Warner kids on stilts! This game showed just how far away we are to REALLY competing. I'm not giving up on the season, just taking the rose colored glasses off!

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

If not for Daniels/Doughty boneheaded penalties we wouldn't even be talking about this right now.

Silver lining -- at least we didn't get THROTTLED at HOME by a questionable team at best.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I don't feel as bad about this game then I did when we lost to the Rams. The Lions so have some serious talent, and until we can play better offensively and get a better OLine, we'll keep losing to teams like that.

Yeah, the boneheaded NERDS should have kept their head in the game, but this was ultimately a total team loss.

Did you actually get a chance to watch the game?

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Seriously look at the offensive personnel:

nope, those were Shanny's choices...benching Dock, playing galloway/keeping galloway on the roster, putting lichensucksbad in the starting lineup.....those are all on hiim, its his team, and these are his decisions....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse


Franchise the guy and trade him--and Albert Haynesworth--for value in picks for the 2011 draft.

And we can start our rebuild from there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 1, 2010 8:14 AM |

"the guy" would be one Donovan McNabb


my exact feelings moe.

the rebuild has been pushed back a year with the trading for DMcNabb and JBrown. never mind how these players are performing now. it was a mistake bringing them here in the first place. I still don't see why these guys were such a steal for what we gave up for them.

STOP TRADING AWAY OUR PRECIOUS DRAFT PICKS FOR OLDER VETERAN PLAYERS.

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS (AP)

The newest Miss World is from the United States: Alexandria Mills, a soft-spoken 18-year-old, was named the winner in Saturday night's contest in southern China. The tall blonde was a relative surprise winner after speculation focused on other contestants.

According to her biography on the Miss World website, Mills calls Louisville, Kentucky, her hometown, and she recently graduated from high school. She would like to become a teacher.

"I've never met a stranger and enjoy meeting new people," she says in the bio.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 1, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Do they bench QBs with winning records?

And if so... WHY?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2010 10:00 AM


How about our very own Coach Shanahan replacing Jake Plummer with Jay Cutler...

Posted by: Alan4 | October 27, 2010 10:33 AM


Better...but still no cigar.

Plummer's numbers that year?....

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 27, 2010 10:48 AM

I think my example was worth a cigar.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 1, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

"Now you have a guy who IS winning games by himself and now you want HIM gone too. I just don't get it. "

Brownwood26

Is this the same quarterback that is doing his best to throw to pick 6's? I am seeing a quarterback who is in panic mode, not a poised veteran. The offensive line is a serious waste of large humanity, so I agree the blame certainly goes all around.
If there was a player who is winning games for the Redskins it resides not at the qb position, but on special teams (Banks) or the defensive backfield (Landry or Hall). I think that Shanahan's patience with McNabb floundered when the qb who was merely a caretaker for the offense and did not turn over the ball became a liability as he has been the last two games. I am at the point where I am tired of hearing of how "special" McNabb is and I want to actually see it on the field.

Posted by: driley | November 1, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Greg, get with the program...it's all McNabb. He's the one that gave up 30+ points to the Lions, he's the one that kept Lions drives alive with stupid penaties, he's the one that got a mindboggling block in the back penalty on what should have been the first Banks TD. He should have done something more...like running for 40 yards to set up a TD and throwing a checkdown under pressure for another. Oh, and he was the one that failed to adjust to the constant pressure from the Lions D right into the heart of the Skins O-line. Yup...ALL on the QB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

beantown

"those were Shanny's choices...benching Dock, playing galloway/keeping galloway on the roster, putting lichensucksbad in the starting lineup.....those are all on him, its his team, and these are his decisions..."

Please remember to include releasing a high drafted, 6' 2" wide receiver with 4.3 speed who wasn't as 'professional' as Roy Williams and Joey Galloway.

Whateva 'professional' means.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 1, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

brown, don't get it twisted, #5 is part of the problem as well, he's just not THE PROBLEM...I mean, the benching...that was swinging gate all over again....the coaching, to me, has been just abject failure...kyle especially....

anyone have Greg Blache's, Sherm Lewis's phone numbers....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse


BREAKING NEWS (AP)

CHIA_MORON

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

I was listening to the 2nd Half on the Radio.

Can someone explain to me why they went for on 4th down earlier in their own territory when they still had 2 timeouts plus the 2min warning?

Thanks in Advance.

And thanks to Shanny for giving me the heads up to NOT buy a McNabb jersey.....

McNabb to Vikings....Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 1, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Keep hope alive! fix this mess during the bye-week and come out on MNF and play light's out! got to keep the faith! Skins Nation... HTTR

Posted by: elj220 | November 1, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see us throw more screen passes, kinda like Reid does like every third play! Maybe not that much, but we should be mixing it up a little more. We should be setting up the big play by going short, short, short, then double move and burn em!

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 8:27 AM


This is the stuff I'm talking about...where are the adjustments? We're just banging our heads against the wall with some of the playcalling. You KNOW you don't have a line. You KNOW your QB can't get a pass off and has accuracy issues even when he can. So why not get some simpler plays in there like the screen and the bootleg? Trying 5-step drops with this line is attempted murder.

That's what I'm getting at here...I'd be out in front blaming McNabb if the conditions around him were ideal and he's still playing poorly. But this guy doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell at success when he can't step up in the pocket without fear of a rookie DT tatooing Riddell into his chest. I don't care if you get Elway or Marino in their prime...you're not getting good QB play from ANYONE standing behind that line throwing to those WRs...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm looking at the comments, and these are the very same arguments we had last year with this team (was yesterday's McNabb benching Shanazorn's swinging gate?). As I've stated before, I like McNabb on this team because of his leadership qualities, and big play mentality. That being said, based on his on field play, I wouldn't sign him to the contract that McNabb supposedly wants. I agree with beep beep that McNabb needs to show marked improvement over the second half. Teh OL is a mess and needs to be re-evaluated. However, McNabb's has been late in reads and have made poor decisions with the ball in the last three games. If McNabb continues to struggle, the Skins could be looking at their future qb starting for the opponents two Mondays from today.

Posted by: TWISI | November 1, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Greg, get with the program...it's all McNabb.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 8:36 AM

You are so off your game today. I think you must have been sacked too many times yesterday, probably a few blows to the head. Has the doc looked in your eyes?

Can you show me a single post up here that says, as you do, that "it's all McNabb"? Can you only argue against straw men?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

brown, don't get it twisted, #5 is part of the problem as well...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 8:40 AM


Never said he wasn't. Just sayin' there's a cause and effect there and he's so far down the list of reasons we lost Sunday it's not even worth a mention...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

co-sign on the adjustments brown, or the complete lack of adjustments. when they knew they couldn't block Suh, why didn't they have a counter move to that....there hasn't been an improvement in this offense since game 1.....haven't we seen this before....cough...zorn...cough...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

you're not getting good QB play from ANYONE standing behind that line throwing to those WRs...


Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 8:45 AM |

so why waste draft picks to put McNabb in this position in the first place ?

seems to me those second rounders could have been used to draft o-linemen in 2011 to compliment TWilliams.

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Man - buncha whiney beyotches all over.

Actually - the decision makes sense from many angles. I don't agree with it, but it's entirely arguable. And who's to say that it wasn't the best decision for the longer term?

McLovin' had just repeated the same EXACT mistakes that had put his team in jeaopardy or lost the game all season. Like verbatim. So the yank is directly indicative of that. It's not a 'hey, you just threw a pic', backlash type decision. The move would have been warranted regardless, as a message - like a dead pigeon next to Vesaci's body.

Also, Kyle is being groomed for HC duties. Daddy let him take the reigns for a bit... Sucks that it was with my team - but that's gonna happen. Grossman is Kyle's boi, from their last gig together.

So really, it's a win win. Kyle sees he has to shore up that O-line & call appropriate plays to keep the QB from being sandwich meat. And McNabb sees that if he keeps making THAT choice (throwing deep on 3rd and long in a 4 down situation).

The team is at .500. Not that bad.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 1, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Why did McNabb even pass the ball when there was like 5 minutes to go.

We had the lead, just run the ball to kill the clock, worst case scenario you have to punt.

Stupidest coaching call in the history of coaching calls.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 1, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

But why didn't they punt the ball in their own territory with 2 TOs left?

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 1, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm curious as to why Dockery cannot get in the game, much less activated.

He was our best lineman last year, at least he has a chance to slow down Suh.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 1, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

from Mike Wise:

"Kyle saying in the postgame locker room that he called most of the plays at the end of the game; McNabb revealing in his news conference that "the majority of the time, you call your own plays, but Kyle had major input today."

So there is the source of the frustration: McNabb has had free-reign with the playbook these past 8 weeks.

He's been calling his own plays, and the Shanahans may have decided to 'pull his card' as they aren't happy with what's been called.

Perhaps the disappear of any semblance of a redskin offense during long stretches of games is due to #5 not calling the best shots for the offense.

And here some of us were blaming Kyle.

And there's no greater condemnation for a quarterback than his coaches taking away his ability to 'run' the game.

Maybe McNabb and the team somehow 'bounce back' from this.

As for me?: I don't think so.

I see a divorce down the line.

The question is, when?

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 1, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

beep, just because the words weren't uttered verbatim doesn't mean that's not where the blog is right now. McNabb is the talk...not Doughty for a block in the back that reversed a TD. Not Daniels for a mindless offsides that allowed the Lions to trade in a FG for a TD. No one saying "fire Haslett" because the D couldn't keep CJ out of the end zone. It's McNabb and his "dirt balls".

If you can't read between the lines on that, YOU'RE the one "off your game"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

h8, actually, the benching in the 4th, was the most stupid coaching move....made swinging gate look genius....seems like shanny might be just a little too stubborn, just a little too stuck in his way to adapt...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Let's be honest if not for BANKS and the stellar play of the Defense (that the same fan whiners hated early in the season)...this would have been a much uglier game.


Posted by: GoonieGooGoo |

Explain, please how 37 points is "stellar play of the defense"?

Posted by: TheCork | November 1, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Bring back....


Double G Willliams
Jason Campbell
Brandon Lloyd
Antoine Randle El
The late Jack Kent cooke
Bobby B.

And, as always....

Leigh Torrence

Hey, couldn't hoit.

Posted by: TheCork | November 1, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

h8, great point about Dock....seems to me that shanny is putting his own personal agenda ahead of the team in starting Lichensucks, dock wasn't great, but he wasn't a speed bump/turnstile either....how else do you explain that one....same with Galloway still being on the team and contributing nothing....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | November 1, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

The Cryboys lost to the Jags AT HOME! ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!

The Cryboys are 1-6 and are the cellar dwellers of the Beast. ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!

Any other full 'tard Cowpuke fans have any more comments?

Posted by: HTTR | November 1, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Great we have to listen to this whining for 2 weeks? It's 9a.m. and I am already sick of it. What was McNabb doing to become 'unbenchable' this year. He was getting killed yesterday and couldn't get anything going - mostly due in large part to the OL not blocking anyone.

Shanny mixed it up with Rex - B F D! We were LUCKY to even be in that game yesterday.

McNabb will start against the Iggles and if history tells us anything, McNabb lit it up after being benched a couple years ago. Good.

The story of this next two weeks SHOULD be the OL. No one will talk about that though. It's all about how no one is allowed to play a backup QB when your starter is sucking major elephant penis.

I am fine with 4-4 because this team is still over-achieving. It's a bad team, take the 4-4 and be happy with it. We have starters on our team that wouldn't make other teams as backups.

I am only sad that Dallas is now in the lead in the Locker, Luck, Mallet, Cam Newton sweepstakes.

That's the REAL issue here.

After yesterday's awesome performance, I will no longer say 'book it'. Rather, in honer of Brandon "takes it to the" Banks, I will now chirp:

BANK IT.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

When the O-line cannot open holes for the RBs or protect the QB, the offense won't work.

We are still suffering from neglecting the O-line for 10 years.

Jammal Brown and Licht? That's the answer? Oh, please. We are as bad as we were last year.

Posted by: heyjoe728 | November 1, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Can you show me a single post up here that says, as you do, that "it's all McNabb"?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

You'd better hope that pabrainiac2003 doesn't show up then. I can just hear it now, "McSoup" this, and "New Soupster" that!

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, the boneheaded NERDS should have kept their head in the game, but this was ultimately a total team loss.

Did you actually get a chance to watch the game?

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 8:32 AM

Yep...it was on in Bmore...unfortunately...and since these FREAKS have nothing to talk about since they are off this week...its all about the McNabb benching up here.

You're right...it was a total team loss...I think nearly everyone made a boo boo or two...even SuperBanks...some were much more magnified than others though.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

What was McNabb doing to become 'unbenchable' this year. He was getting killed yesterday and couldn't get anything going - mostly due in large part to the OL not blocking anyone.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 9:09 AM


I don't think it's that McNabb is "unbenchable"...it's that The Human Turnover is his backup. To think anything other than Rex getting sacked, fumbling, and giving up a TD the other way was gonna happen is retardation at its worst.

You don't take the mobile QB that had a hand in no less than 2 of your TDs out of the game for the immobile guy who has a penchant for heinous turnovers.

Knowing the offense is one thing...having the physical tools and personnel to execute is another. With that in mind, benching McNabb was criminally insane.

That said, you hit the nail on the head about the O-line and McNabb using this benching as fuel...I pointed out yesterday that the last time McNabb got benched, he led his team to the NFC title game. As hard as it is to tell from up here, all is not lost...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Well, then, the first coaching mistake was trading for McNabb.

No one with good sense endorsed this idea, given the issues leftover from the Wizards of Redskin Park.

It made sense last winter to extend Campbell, re-build the line, and then, with him in an improved situation, let him keep the seat warm while a young solid quarterback could be acquired.

Giving up picks to get McNabb made no sense then and less now.

Franchise the guy and trade him--and Albert Haynesworth--for value in picks for the 2011 draft.

And we can start our rebuild from there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 1, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse
------------------------------

I would have agreed with that then, would have hedged after the Houston game, and would agree with that again now.

JC8 is currently 4-2 in games he's played in Oakland, and has a higher rating than DM5 after the last two weeks of slaughtering the Lions of the AFC.

But it's no secret that McFadden makes that team tick, not JC8. It was Staley and Westbrook who made the Eagles tick throughout their deep playoff pushes, and our QB will continue to stink until we get consistent performance out of our run game.

But in the end, I'm pretty happy with the team this year. We have playmakers in all 3 phases of the game, and they have given themselves a chance to win through 4 quarters. Who knows? Maybe down the stretch some consistency starts to manifest itself. 8-8 would still be a whale of an improvement from last year, and while you might hang this one on McNabb, if your QB loses you 1 out of 8 games, I think you take that.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 1, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Explain, please how 37 points is "stellar play of the defense"?

Posted by: TheCork | November 1, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Well, the D did play awesome in the first half, but there were a lot of holes in the 2nd half, in both our running AND passing defenses.

That being said, they still kept us in the game. One TD was off that punt return that he should have scored on anyway, the D got credit for that cause the dude stepped out of bounds. Another TD should have been a FG but thank Phillip Daniels for that one. And the last TD never should have happened, thank Sexy Rexy for that one. So by my count, they would have only had about 19 or 20 points, so we would have won, not counting Bank's first return that should have been a TD! It should have been, at least, 32-19.

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Our QB has a crappy O-line, is learning a new offense, and doesn't have talented wideouts.


Sound familiar?

Posted by: Alan4 | November 1, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Beeps Blah Blah Blah

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

It's days like these, and posts like the ones I've been reading here the last 18 hours, that remind me that "fan" is indeed short for "fanatic." The amount of over-reaction has been epic.

Was it a mistake to pull McNabb at the end of yesterday's game? IMO, yes. The way Detroit's D-line (especially Suh; does anyone on here still want to argue that the Lions should have drafted Okung?) punked our O-line, we clearly needed someone with DM5's mobility at QB, not the statue-like Grossman. But was Shanahan's decision "stunning," or "inexplicable" like some of the talking heads and RI posters have said or intimated? No. McNabb was not playing well at all. Yes, he was under tremendous pressure all day, but on the occasions that he did have time, he was missing open receivers. He threw one awful pick and another one that should have been a pick-six (which would have been THREE in two weeks, if you count the one that was negated by a delay-of-game penalty).

And let's not overestimate the significance of the benching. I'm betting that Shanahan will announce at today's presser that DM5 will still be the starter after the bye, and that his statement after the game about McNabb not being as familiar with the 2 minute offense as Grossman should not be interpreted as a criticism either of DM's intelligence or work ethic. After all, I remember a statement by Steve Young that it took him 2 years to relly master this offense. That McNabb may not have mastered it in 6-7 months shouldn't be that big of a surprise.

I'm also amused by how some of us are ready to jump off a bridge or run the Shanahans out of town because we lost to the Lions. Folks, we were 4-12 last year. We stunk almost as much as the Lions did. This year, the Lions have crushed a team the we lost rather decisively to (the Rams), lost to the Packers only because of that fluke non-touchdown call involving Calvin Johnson at the end of the game, and have been in pretty much every other game that they've played. Losing to them on the road is no embarassment. Being 4-4 at this point puts us pretty much on track for the 8-8 season that I thought we would have, which is certainly a great improvement over last year's disaster.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | November 1, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

It's a joke to blame McNabb. Our OL stinks; we have no decent RB's (sorry Torain and Williams); we have one guy McNabb can throw to without having to worry about a 25% chance on a fumble (Moss).

It is a miracle we have the record we do.

It was a mistake to bench McNabb, period. Besides the obvious stupidity with replacing him with Rex Grossman - expecting improved play at QB - McNabb is the only leader we have on Offense, and now that has been under-minded.

Sorry to question you, coach, but will have to vent here:

Bench Dockery for Licthen-something? Come-on Man! Stop with the zone blocking B.S. - our QB is getting killed.

Switch to the 3-4 - thus making Carter and Haynesworth completely ineffective? Come-on Man! Our Defense was ranked towards the top of the NFL, last year (with pretty much the same personnel); now, they are near the bottom.

Posted by: BT23 | November 1, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Which 4-4 team would you rather be right now? The Redskins or the Raiders?

Posted by: phatter1 | November 1, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I am wondering whether McNabb was pulled because the coaches called a run play, then McNabb called a pass play in the huddle.

That throw in to tripple coverage might have pushed me too far as a coach. If it was meant to be a run and Donovan got creative, then I'd definitely have pulled him.

The excuse that Shanahan came up with sounded rediculous and he must have known it would. It looks like he is throwing McNabb under the bus but, maybe just maybe, it was to avoid embarrasing McNabb even more than he was.

Regardless, we all got to see what it would be like if the reigns were handed to Rex Grossman. McNabb will remain our starter until the end of the year or until he gets injured. Which might not take too long unless Rabach is replaced.

Let's just hope that there is an extension of the CBA and we can franchise him, because he surely must want out of town now. With luck we might get some picks back of the Vikings or, at the least, hold on to McNabb until we have a better back-up than Grossman.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | November 1, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

People have to calm down......jeez. Talk about overreacting. Its like you'd think the our team has been blowing teams out in their victories and been crushed in our losses.

How crazy do you have to be to start saying jason campbell should not have been traded. ARE YOU KIDDING??? HE IS HORRID....There's a reason Tom Cable benched him and still says Gradkowski is going to be his starter upon return from injury.

You can credit the Raiders' "success" to Mcfadden & Bush and have really only beaten 1 team with a winning record at the time (Seattle)...

Are people actually saying Jamaal Brown is not an upgrade at Right Tackle also??? Seriously.....are you crybaby fans actually expecting all the issues on this team to be cured in a new regime in a single offseason where no real free agent signings were possible??

I'm a diehard Skins fan and know that this season more than others is exactly to be taken ONE GAME AT A TIME.

Leave the analysis for the end of the season.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | November 1, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

4-4 at the halfway mark with tons of "problems" to address over the bye to keep us in CONTENTION?

I'll take that.

It sure beats being 1-6 or 2-5 and addressing "problems" in preparation for NEXT season.

As always, this area gets way too high over victories, and way too low over losses. There is also a new breed of sports media here in D.C., largely formatted after "TMZ" and the "National Enquirer." These dudes care about covering drama - not sports - and they are like sharks that were tossed a few peices of chum from Shanny yesterday.

I'll take a competent coach who stands by his WRONG decision over an incompetent coach who waffles with indecision.

Posted by: SuperSkin | November 1, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

4th, your "book its" are losing its thunder.

did you read my book it? eagles will win the superbowl this year! and if they don't i'll kiss anyone's a $$ at 23rd and J NW, DC.

Kyle has been a liability with his play calling. he's actually thinking about putting away a team with this offense????!!! with this oLine? really?! and you know what...I double dare him to put grossman in there! I hope to god he puts Grossman in there to start the game against philly. It'll be sack, fumble, INT, sack...behind that line.

if shanny doesn't think he made a mistake by benching mcnaab then SHOW IT by playing Grossman.

(e)Trod, really? you're hating on mcnaab? really? because you rather have who as playing QB? I want names. Who out there is better than mcnaab that is not under lockdown contract?

Posted by: dealer1 | November 1, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

it does not matter who the coach, gm, oc, or dc is, bafoonery in this organization reigns....

Posted by: miked4 | November 1, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

it does not matter who the coach, gm, oc, or dc is, bafoonery in this organization reigns....

Posted by: miked4 | November 1, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Funny how some people want to get rid of Mcnabb. One question. WHO IS BETTER THAT IS AVAILABLE??? ANSWER: NOBODY!!!!
So suck it up!!!He is still a top 10 QB in the NFL, a leader and the only reason the offense is even close to being competitive.
Bottom line:
The Oline is awful and Shanahan is over-thinking the play calling.

Posted by: MDskins | November 1, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

4-4 with a new coach, new OC, new QB, same old O -line (ugh) and only 1 RB for the second half of an away game after that home team has had a bye---guess I'll take it. Sure we could be 6-2 and we could also be 2 - 6 or worse like 1 - 6 (hello Cowgirls). Too many passes at the feet of open recievers, CR22 has to stop that 4th down TD pass, bad penalties at the wrong time = a road loss. Next 5 games will be brutal with all the teams fighting for playoff position--I'd be happy with 3 - 2 but one game at a time and def need to beat the iggles on MNF and get to 5-4. HTTR.

Posted by: kirkoman | November 1, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you brownwood, and you MDskins.

what is it with all this whining about mcnabb? this has to be the worst offensive line i've ever seen...EVER...in washington. worse than chicago's o-line. is it just me, or does it make you scratch your head when you think about stephon heyor still being on the roster? the whole o-line stinks for that matter, with the exception of trent.
did any of you see Grossman's very first snap? Hello? the kid stood in the pocket, hoping to have just a couple of seconds to get a pass off...but once again, the o-line laid down. when the o-line is properly executing their assignments on passing downs, mcnabb looks good. problem is, that's about once every 10 or 12 plays. you've got to be kidding me that you are dumping this on mcnabb or either of the shanahans. who wants to wager that the o-line coach gets his walkin papers before anyone else?
someone said it best in an earlier post. games are won in the trenches; o-line and d-line.

Posted by: ATXSkinsfan | November 1, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't McNabb or Grossman's fault. Just like it wasn't Jason Campbell's. You can put Peyton Manning in front of our awful o-line and he would be terrible. No QB can be at his best with such poor pass protection. That blame for not building a solid offensive line lies squarely on the shoulders of Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato. Their legacy still hurts this "new-look" Skins team. The Defense can't win every game! Time to draft more young o-linemen.

Posted by: jmarks09 | November 1, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

But whatever Shanahan says publicly, there are growing indications that privately, he just doesn't think much of McNabb.

The latest indication comes from ESPN's Chris Mortensen, who reported Monday night that both Shanahan and his son and offensive coordinator, Kyle Shanahan, have been unhappy with the way McNabb practices. According to Mortensen, McNabb doesn't practice at the tempo that the Redskins' coaching staff wants to see from him.

And Mortensen says Shanahan even considered benching McNabb after the Redskins' win over the Eagles, a game in which the Redskins beat McNabb's former team despite McNabb going just 8-for-19 for 125 yards.

Mortensen calls Shanahan's displeasure with McNabb "The worst-kept secret in the league." After Sunday's benching, it's not a secret at all.

Posted by: butche106 | November 1, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe all the people saying we won because of McNabb. We won in spite of him. 76 QB rating? Awful throws? He really looks like a dumb QB not being able to pick up the new scheme which is supposedly a variation, not a brand new scheme, of the scheme he ran in Philly. Shanny is realizing he got a dud and not the stud he thought. Oline sucks and penalties killed us but that does not take away from #5 making horrible throws. Even he admits he is not playing well so how do other people defend his play so much?

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | November 1, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Post a Comment

We encourage users to analyze, comment on and even challenge washingtonpost.com's articles, blogs, reviews and multimedia features.

User reviews and comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site. Additionally, entries that are unsigned or contain "signatures" by someone other than the actual author will be removed. Finally, we will take steps to block users who violate any of our posting standards, terms of use or privacy policies or any other policies governing this site. Please review the full rules governing commentaries and discussions.




characters remaining

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company