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Posted at 12:56 PM ET, 12/21/2010

Despite demotion, Donovan McNabb wants to come back

By Rick Maese

Demoted quarterback Donovan McNabb says despite the drama surrounding his status with the team, he hopes to return to the Redskins in 2011.

"I definitely hope so, and I expressed that," he said Tuesday afternoon in his first public comments since Coach Mike Shanahan benched him last week. "I don't want to go anywhere."

The bigger question, though, is whether he expects to be back. Discussing the matter on his weekly radio appearance on ESPN 980, even McNabb didn't have an answer to that one.

"I don't know," he said. "That will be a question that probably will be answered sometime this offseason. I don't know."

Asked if he wants to be traded or released, McNabb says, "No, I want to be here. I really do. ...I don't believe in starting something and not finishing."

McNabb was benched last week in favor of backup Rex Grossman. In his first start since October 2008, Grossman was 25-of-43 passing for 322 yards, four touchodwns and a passer rating of 93.4. He also threw two interceptions, lost one fumble and was sacked five times.

While McNabb served as the backup to Grossman last week, this week he'll be relegated to the Redskins' No. 3 quarterback spot. John Beck will be the team's first option if Grossman goes down. That's a tiny bit of information that Redskins coaches apparently didn't tell McNabb in their meeting last week.

McNabb said he met with Mike Shanahan last Thursday evening and was informed shortly after that Grossman would start in his place at Dallas. McNabb said he learned that he'd fallen all the way to No. 3 on the depth chart "through ESPN and everything else."

While he said the timing of the benching - on Thursday night, less than 72 hours before kickoff - felt "somewhat disrespectful," he said his relationship with Shanahan has not suffered permanent damage.

McNabb also said that he hasn't spoken with Redskins owner Daniel Snyder or the team's general manager, Bruce Allen, since the benching.

"I've talked to the janitor a couple times, the cooks, chefs...They're doing great," he said.

McNabb reiterated that he disagreed with the decision, and he thinks a quarterback needs more than one season to learn a new system. He specifically didn't appreciate the timing, though. Asked if Shanahan was unprofessional in his handling of the situation, McNabb said: "In business, communication is key in anything you do."

"Normally if you go through a process like that, you'd hear about it on a Monday or a Tuesday," he said. "I don't think you pretty much hear about it Thursday going to a Friday practice."

Shanahan has said that he told McNabb that there was no guarantee that the six-time Pro Bowler would be the Redskins quarterback in 2011, even though Washington gave McNabb a contract extension in November.

"As far as the guarantee is concerned, I really wasn't looking for a guarantee," McNabb said. "I wanted to hear thoughts, what are you thinking. None of that really truly was expressed."

McNabb was also asked about his relationship with offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, which has been the subject of plenty of speculation for the past several weeks. McNabb wasn't as effusive in his praise as he had been in the past.

"I thought we had a pretty decent relationship, one that was growing," he said. "I still feel somewhat that way. ...I thought we had a good relationship. I don't know. From my side of things, I thought we had a good relationship, yes indeed."

When the Redskins hit the practice field Wednesday to begin preparing for the Jacksonville Jaguars, McNabb said he'll "be doing whatever it takes to help win."
Unless Washington has to turn to McNabb as its emergency third quarterback in the final two games, he'll finish this season -- his 12th in the league -- with 3,377 passing yards, 14 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. It marks the first season of his career that McNabb has thrown more interceptions than touchdowns. His 77.1 passer rating is his worst since his rookie season.

By Rick Maese  | December 21, 2010; 12:56 PM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb, Kyle Shanahan, Mike Shanahan, Rex Grossman  
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Comments

I think Shanny made a huge mistake trading for Mcnabb and he knows that. What he isn't doing is making it worse, by trying to do anything he can to make it work.

His mistake doesn't even come close to one year of Vinny mistakes, so he f_ed up and we can move on.

I know you and your buddies will cry about the picks given up for mcNabb but those are gone, maybe you would feel better with Vinny back running things.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2010 12:49 PM

Nah, and if you've read any of my previous posts, you know I think getting rid of Vinny was the best thing this team has done since rehiring Joe Gibbs.

I just don't get the Shanny worship. He hasn't earned it as a Skins coach--just like McNabb didn't earn it as a Skins QB.

People are essentially praising Shanahan for making a colossal blunder in his QB evaluation--his supposed area of expertise--and then making a dramatic show of admitting the error, because it proves "no one is safe".

You could say Vinny did the same thing with Zorn by "benching" him as the play caller half way through the season.

Not impressed.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 21, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

With torrain, williams n davis does anyone think we can wait a year for a rb??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 21, 2010 12:27 PM
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I think we should get a RB this season..FA UFA but not draft...we need more speed in at the RB position...

Posted by: BootneyFarnsworth | December 21, 2010 1:03 PM |


Why draft at the RB position? Shanny's rep for 'plugging in any RB' and having some level of success is actually holding true. I have no reason to think it won't continue that way so please, no one under 6'3" and 300+lbs. thank you.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 21, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

The high road is a good place to be politically, to ensure you're employed somewhere, if not where you already sure.

Frankly, I can foresee a scenario where the law firm of Shanahan & Shanahan are dismissed, and McNabb stays. The reason is simple: Grossman is not a long term answer, and rebuilding is a long-term process. Better to have a veteran in that process.

Granted, this is not to rationalize McNabb. As a native Philadelphian, I'm acutely aware of his tendency to play down to opponents, throw balls into the ground, weight gain in recent years, and there has always been some quetsion about his acumen as it relates to defense reading, as he has been accused of this season. But he had good relationships with established OCs (Childress, Morhinweg), not one essentially still proving himself.

My sense is that Shanahan severely overplayed himself with the Haynesworth and McNabb situations, and at some pt Snyder will intervene and issue a ruling on that, and I would not be a bit surprised if he releases him and Son of Shanny. The political impact of what he has done outweighs anything else.

The bring in an under the radar kind of guy, maybe Brian Billick, who has a history of working well with QBs, instead of rhe antagonistic history of Shanahan.

At the least, Snyder oght to require Shanahan to attend sensitivity training, maybe anger management, and definitely, a primer on how decisions may play in the public venue.

Posted by: dsda3731 | December 21, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

alan,

I'm not impressed with Shanny so far either, but I'm also not going to kill the guy after one year with what he walked into to.

He really screwed the pooch on the Mcnabb thing and basically admitted as much on the John Thompson show the other day.

The being tough on the players and holding them accountable is however a good thing, and maybe if the previous regime hadn't let the players do what ever they wanted he wouldn't have to waste so much time changing the culture of the guys in the locker room.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind with Torain he literally takes up two roster spots, his and his injury replacements. You have to go back to his JUCO and HS days before he has finished a season. To say he is injury prone is an understatement.
Looks great when is though just keep in mind he has proven he cannot stay healthy.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 21, 2010 12:48 PM |

I hope you don't really believe what you just said. This would only be true if we we're going to keep one running back on the team. Every team has a backup running back on their roster and usually a couple and maybe even another as a kick off returner, special teamer, or PS guy.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 21, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Alan, I agree. No argument that we have to stay with Shanny at least 2 more years and see how it plays out, bc that's the bed we've made, but Im very skeptical at this juncture. It's been quite mixed.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 21, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"I just don't get the Shanny worship."

I still believe in Shanny.

When the inmates run the assylum for so long, they think that are "entitled" to things. Well, Shanny is a proven coach and he's sorting out who wants to play vs. who wants to get paid.

If he left here today, he would get hired tomorrow by someone else. Not so much with Zorn.

The fact that it was reported that Snyder was upset about the whole McNabb benching makes me think he's taking the team in the right direction.

If nothing has changed next year I might think differently. But one thing I have yet hear/read from anybody is when the QB position is solidified that this offense DOES work. It works even better when WR's stop dropping passes on cruicial plays.

McNabb is past his prime, nothing anybody can do about that. I think you'll see that written about more next year when he's with another team. I was hoping it would work out but it just hasn't.

Move on, re-load, see what happens next year. I think he's deserved a couple years at least to create the team the way he wants.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 21, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

We need to understand Donovan is purely a sideshow -- and an unfortunate victim to a little "family feud" in the Shanahan household.

Ol' Shanny knows that if he doesn't give the precocious young brat Lil' Shanny exactly what he wants, and as soon as he wants it too -- then Ol' Mama Shanny is going to make life a living hell for him too... in too many ways that are simply unimaginable.

Only fair chance that Donovan ever has of playing again for this team is to ask his loving mama (Wilma) to have a quiet word with Mama Shanny... to see if she can somehow calm her husband and/or restrain her young brat's bullying ways.

Also don't know what it is about Danny hiring dysfunctional families with nepotistic or incestuous tendencies... witness as well the Allens and Shottenheimers -- could it be that Danny aspires to become royalty himself too?

Posted by: Vic1 | December 21, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

My sense is that Shanahan severely overplayed himself with the Haynesworth and McNabb situations, and at some pt Snyder will intervene and issue a ruling on that, and I would not be a bit surprised if he releases him and Son of Shanny. The political impact of what he has done outweighs anything else.

The bring in an under the radar kind of guy, maybe Brian Billick, who has a history of working well with QBs, instead of rhe antagonistic history of Shanahan.

At the least, Snyder oght to require Shanahan to attend sensitivity training, maybe anger management, and definitely, a primer on how decisions may play in the public venue.

Posted by: dsda3731 | December 21, 2010 1:09 PM |

You better hope that doesn't happen or you will know Snyder will never change.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted at 10:01 AM ET, 12/21/2010

Carlos Rogers pain-free, hopes to show he belongs

By Jason Reid


Glad to hear carlos may stay. He's the best CB on the Redskins. Don't believe me? See how teams pick on D. Hall, not 'los.

Four picks in one game aside, Hall is a distinct liability. His occasional Int to the house isn't worth the times he gets beat. Against dallas that was beaten twice for easy TDs and a bunch of other times. can't tackle much, either.

Posted by: TheCork | December 21, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The bring in an under the radar kind of guy, maybe Brian Billick, who has a history of working well with QBs, instead of rhe antagonistic history of Shanahan.

At the least, Snyder oght to require Shanahan to attend sensitivity training, maybe anger management, and definitely, a primer on how decisions may play in the public venue.

Posted by: dsda3731 | December 21, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

How is the Meth up your way?

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 21, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

If he left here today, he would get hired tomorrow by someone else. Not so much with Zorn.

The Baltimore Ravens say hi....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 21, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Did McNabb say if he was willing to take a pay cut to come back?

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted at 10:01 AM ET, 12/21/2010

Carlos Rogers pain-free, hopes to show he belongs

By Jason Reid


Glad to hear carlos may stay. He's the best CB on the Redskins. Don't believe me? See how teams pick on D. Hall, not 'los.

Four picks in one game aside, Hall is a distinct liability. His occasional Int to the house isn't worth the times he gets beat. Against dallas that was beaten twice for easy TDs and a bunch of other times. can't tackle much, either.

Posted by: TheCork | December 21, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

The being tough on the players and holding them accountable is however a good thing, and maybe if the previous regime hadn't let the players do what ever they wanted he wouldn't have to waste so much time changing the culture of the guys in the locker room.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2010 1:10 PM

I think Shanahan walked into a better situation than the previous regime did.

Zorn was set up for failure by Vinny. Period.

Shanahan has more authority, more freedom, and a much longer leash.

When Marty instituted his disciplined approach, we actually saw a better team at the end of the year than at the beginning.

Not seeing that here this time with Shanny.

But I agree with you, it will take more than one year.. but so far the returns are just not the least bit impressive.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 21, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse


Sorry for the Double Post. I got a weird "Moveable Type" warning and it posted it anyway.

Meanwhile, that's just McNabb playing a clever high road game. He's the faithful soldier, Shanny is the guy sending him out on a suicide mission.

This is fun stuff--we're here, trying to do detailed psychological analysis on patients we haven't even met, much less had on the couch.

Posted by: TheCork | December 21, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

lmfao @ iH8!!!

Shanahannigas are the investment, not McLovin'.

They get at LEAST another season - my guess, the full 5 if nothing blows up evil, ending with the younger taking the reigns.

Hey - bottom line: They were better than last year. They have potential to be better than that. They're ditching prima donna, over entitled divas.

I'll take that. Now - no backwards steps.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 21, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The fact that it was reported that Snyder was upset about the whole McNabb benching makes me think he's taking the team in the right direction.

Posted by: rmcazz | December 21, 2010 1:12 PM

Whatever Snyder disagrees with...I am all for.

I wish he would have a George Costanza moment...and decide to do the opposite of everything he has ever done.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 21, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

When Marty instituted his disciplined approach, we actually saw a better team at the end of the year than at the beginning.
Not seeing that here this time with Shanny.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 21, 2010 1:19 PM

Marty inherited much more to work with than this bunch.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 21, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Here's the main problem with the Washington Organization. Players don't come (or stay) in Washington to win football games or go for NFL Championships... they come for the paycheck. Inevitably, whenever the Skins get involved in Free Agent bidding, the end result is massively inflated price tags on players not worth half of their contract offer. Why do you think FA players are so excited when Washington seems interested??? They KNOW they are either going to DC for top dollar... or to another team for a matching top dollar tag.

Donovan desperately wants to stay in Washington cause he knows damn well that there's NO way another team is paying him $16M for 2011.... but we will!!! With the contract negotiation we drafted for McNabb, the ONLY way we were going to keep him is if he ended 2010 on a strong note!!! And being demoted to 3rd string while watching Sexy Rexy throw 4TD's in an impressive outing is NOT going to earn you $16M next season.

Everybody might be saying the right things (oh, I definitely want to stay in DC... and, of course I want him here)... but we all KNOW that dude is gone like the wind! Have fun in AZ buddy.

Posted by: bussman24 | December 21, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Playing scared?

Scared of the coach?

Clinton Portis, Haynesworth, McNabb?

Highest paid and yet underperform.

Boo- f_cking- hoo.

For the money those guys make, my boss could kick me in the balls and throw a pot of coffee in my face at 7:00 in the morning.

I would respond with a ,"Thank you sir, good follow through on the kick and that coffee is especially fresh today."

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 21, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Here's the main problem with the Washington Organization. Players don't come (or stay) in Washington to win football games or go for NFL Championships... they come for the paycheck. Inevitably, whenever the Skins get involved in Free Agent bidding, the end result is massively inflated price tags on players not worth half of their contract offer. Why do you think FA players are so excited when Washington seems interested??? They KNOW they are either going to DC for top dollar... or to another team for a matching top dollar tag.

Donovan desperately wants to stay in Washington cause he knows damn well that there's NO way another team is paying him $16M for 2011.... but we will!!! With the contract negotiation we drafted for McNabb, the ONLY way we were going to keep him is if he ended 2010 on a strong note!!! And being demoted to 3rd string while watching Sexy Rexy throw 4TD's in an impressive outing is NOT going to earn you $16M next season.

Everybody might be saying the right things (oh, I definitely want to stay in DC... and, of course I want him here)... but we all KNOW that dude is gone like the wind! Have fun in AZ buddy.

Posted by: bussman24 | December 21, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Cork, Rogers is one of the top cover corners in the league. If he can stay healthy and work on his hands he'll be fine.

Who am I kidding, the dude needs a hand transplant!

Posted by: monk811 | December 21, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Ray, that's even more evidence as to who's pick that was.... i.e., not the Coarchs'.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 21, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

For the money those guys make, my boss could kick me in the balls and throw a pot of coffee in my face at 7:00 in the morning.

I would respond with a ,"Thank you sir, good follow through on the kick and that coffee is especially fresh today."

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 21, 2010 1:31 PM

Everyday.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 21, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Glad to hear carlos may stay. He's the best CB on the Redskins. Don't believe me? See how teams pick on D. Hall, not 'los.

Four picks in one game aside, Hall is a distinct liability. His occasional Int to the house isn't worth the times he gets beat. Against dallas that was beaten twice for easy TDs and a bunch of other times. can't tackle much, either.

Posted by: TheCork | December 21, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse


Hard for Los to get picked on when he's sitting on the sideline nursing injuries and not contributing at all to what's going on on the field.

D.Hall has delivered 2 of our 5 wins this season almost single-handedly.

The teams ha 24 turnovers this year - Hall has 1/3 of those by himself.

The team has 2 defensive TDs this year - Hall has ALL of those by himself.

He has 6 picks on the year - your boy Los has 7 picks FOR HIS ENTIRE CAREER.

Among CBs in the NFL, DeAngleo Hall ranks second in the league in tackles so far with 85 (Cortland Finnegan is #1 with 86).

And apart from the TDs that you are referring to in the Dallas game, name another time that D.Hall got badly beaten for a TD this season?

Geez, do you care about anything factual before you post your drivel????

Yeah, I hope we keep Los too...we could use a spare part like him at the veteran's minimum.

And while Hall is at the ProBowl, Los can work on the jugs machine.

The only thing that is "occasional" is you contributing anything thoughtful or interesting up here.

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse


Marty inherited much more to work with than this bunch.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 21, 2010 1:27 PM


Maybe so, but Shanahan's recent teams have often looked worse towards the end of the season:

2006: finished 2-6
2007: finished 2-4
2008: lost 3 straight to end the season

2010: 1-5 since the bye week.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 21, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

The problem isn't learning the system McNabb, the problem is throwing it into the dirt and missing your WIDE OPEN receivers with bad throws or not going their way all together. Of course he wants to come back, no one else will pay him what we will. Let's get a QB in the draft, hope he's materializes into a pro QB and isn't just a college QB, and let Rex show him the ins and outs of the offense. Be done with McNabb, Portis, and all the defenders that play "two hand touch."

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 21, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

7) For me, I'm wathching this offseason very closely...free agency, the draft.

Posted by: silkydee1 | December 21, 2010 1:11 PM

Yep me too...christmas aside...it's the most wonderful time of the year for us redskin folk.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 21, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Glad to hear carlos may stay. He's the best CB on the Redskins. Don't believe me? See how teams pick on D. Hall, not 'los.

Four picks in one game aside, Hall is a distinct liability. His occasional Int to the house isn't worth the times he gets beat. Against dallas that was beaten twice for easy TDs and a bunch of other times. can't tackle much, either.

Posted by: TheCork | December 21, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse


Hard for Los to get picked on when he's sitting on the sideline nursing injuries and not contributing at all to what's going on on the field.

D.Hall has delivered 2 of our 5 wins this season almost single-handedly.

The teams ha 24 turnovers this year - Hall has 1/3 of those by himself.

The team has 2 defensive TDs this year - Hall has ALL of those by himself.

He has 6 picks on the year - your boy Los has 7 picks FOR HIS ENTIRE CAREER.

Among CBs in the NFL, DeAngleo Hall ranks second in the league in tackles so far with 85 (Cortland Finnegan is #1 with 86).

And apart from the TDs that you are referring to in the Dallas game, name another time that D.Hall got badly beaten for a TD this season?

Geez, do you care about anything factual before you post your drivel????

Yeah, I hope we keep Los too...we could use a spare part like him at the veteran's minimum.

And while Hall is at the ProBowl, Los can work on the jugs machine.

The only thing that is "occasional" is you contributing anything thoughtful or interesting up here.


Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh Snap! In your face cork.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 21, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

For the money those guys make, my boss could kick me in the balls and throw a pot of coffee in my face at 7:00 in the morning.


Posted by: iH8dallas

Yeah, but would 90,000 people pay to see that in person and millions more on TV?

Posted by: TheCork | December 21, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Is it any coincidence that Shanahan's favorite players are guys that live, breathe football?

Is it any wonder why Devin Thomas is gone? He was too wrapped up in being one of most successful 30 under 30 in the Washington DC area. What a joke.

Is it any wonder that Albert is gone? That guy could care less about football or his teammates or employers.

Is it any wonder that he benched McNabb or that he wont be around next season? He's had over 10 months to learn the playbook. Take that thing home every night and learn it. If Rex Grossman can throw for 4 TD's and 5, if Santana could catch, then there is no reason that McNabb shouldn't be able to throw 6 TD's.

Stop apologizing for these guys. These guys do not deserve to play or be a part of this team. Be a professional football player and there will be a spot for you on this team.

Get it done Shanahan.

Posted by: JSchon | December 21, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

For the money those guys make, my boss could kick me in the balls and throw a pot of coffee in my face at 7:00 in the morning.


Posted by: iH8dallas

Yeah, but would 90,000 people pay to see that in person and millions more on TV?

Posted by: TheCork | December 21, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I'd pay to see that.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 21, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Maybe so, but Shanahan's recent teams have often looked worse towards the end of the season:

2006: finished 2-6
2007: finished 2-4
2008: lost 3 straight to end the season
2010: 1-5 since the bye week.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 21, 2010 1:37 PM

You and your facts Alan haha

Maybe Shanny needs a bonfide closer...like Gibbs 2.1 to finish the seasons out for him.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 21, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Barnes looks like a willing tackler plus he HAS to have better hands than 'Los.

If Jeremy Jarmon can be a starting 5-technique DE then those two draft picks should eventually be key cogs for this D going forward.

The Skins aren't a reclaimation project but they need a Chiefs/Bucs 2010 draft class to get back north of .500.

Posted by: elfreako | December 21, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

For the money those guys make, my boss could kick me in the balls and throw a pot of coffee in my face at 7:00 in the morning.


Posted by: iH8dallas

Yeah, but would 90,000 people pay to see that in person and millions more on TV?

Posted by: TheCork | December 21, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The successes of multiple Funny Home Video shows says yes.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 21, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas

For the money those guys make, my boss could kick me in the balls and throw a pot of coffee in my face at 7:00 in the morning.

I agree.

But the coffee has to be Seattle's Best, whole bean and ground just before brewing.

Otherwise, I'd pass on an NFL job.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 21, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 21, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I like what Shanahan is doing.

If he wins the big one in DC he is immortalized.

Still the best fanbase in the league.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 21, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Shanny didn't need more than 13 games to figure out Donovan throws more bounce passes than Rajon Rondo. You can know the offense inside out but if you consistantly throw one hoppers then the coach has seen enough. Andy Reid is no dummy & the Skins got fleeced. Time to move on.

Posted by: harrelsonw | December 21, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Despite demotion, Donovan McNabb wants to come back


The Truth meter doubts these as the possible destinations McNabb offer a chance at serious professional redemption:

In San Fran, he's tossing the ball to Crabtree, Davis, and handing off to Gore and Westbrook behind a good offensive line.

In Arizona, he has Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Breaston, Beanie Wells, and two coaches in Wisnehunt and Grimm who can pull things together with veteren q-back leadership for a Super Bowl run.

(Plus he's close to home.)

Minnesota offers Rice, Harvin, Shiancoe, Petersen, a decent, not great offensive line: in other words, a ready made situation for any vet q-back looking to prove that he can play.

Donnie could get traded to any of these situations, redeem himself in light of his recent demotion.

And he wants to stay in D.C. to re-live 'Redskin Rebuild'?

Our Truth Meter says "no" and "hell no".

Dude is lyin'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 21, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Shanny didn't need more than 13 games to figure out Donovan throws more bounce passes than Rajon Rondo. You can know the offense inside out but if you consistantly throw one hoppers then the coach has seen enough. Andy Reid is no dummy & the Skins got fleeced. Time to move on.

Posted by: harrelsonw | December 21, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, Andy Reid is no dummy. Shanny's the dummy.

He needed 13 games to know that DMac throws bouncers?

He had about 13 seasons of game film that could have told him that...

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JSchon | December 21, 2010 1:43 PM

I agree with this guy ... but McNabb always seemed like one of those football liver/breather types to me. Maybe another offseason and he'll get the offense a little better (or a lot better) with the reads and progressions and such as. I did kind of like how Grossman waited for stuff and when it wasn't there, he at least checked down to something for a yard or two. [See Steinbog's thread about Clot Brennan on Grossman v McNabb].

I have settled on my free agent target for next season ... Haloti Ngata ... whether he lines up at NT/DT/DE/whatever, the guy is solid. I would even offer up a vowel as a signing bonus.

Posted by: dcsween | December 21, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Still the best fanbase in the league.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 21, 2010 1:50 PM

If we could only find a way to trade hessone and pabrian...for a couple hot, young Carolina Panther chick fans...that solidify us as the best!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 21, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Remember the old Eastern Motors commercial with a title of "Interceptor" for Los. Yeah, that was funny.

Posted by: Devo2 | December 21, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I have settled on my free agent target for next season ... Haloti Ngata ... whether he lines up at NT/DT/DE/whatever, the guy is solid. I would even offer up a vowel as a signing bonus.

Posted by: dcsween | December 21, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse


Agree 100% on that call.

Just throw stacks of $$ at him until he says "when".

For all the attention that the QB position/Genius's busted scheme has been getting of late, we must remember that we have the LAST place ranked defense in yardage.

NT is the fulcrum position to make the 3-4 work. Ngata can play NT or DE. He's young, athletic, versatile and a real baller.

He's everything Hayneworth was supposed to be in CErratto's delusional bizzarro world...

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey - Shannahanigans tried to get rid of McLovin' before... and look what happened.

I'm glad he's stickin' to his guns this time.

I'd rather the HC get his role established this season. It's not like there's anything else to do.

Did you guys really think "playoffs"?! wtSJK?

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 21, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"I definitely hope so, and I expressed that," he said Tuesday afternoon in his first public comments since Coach Mike Shanahan benched him last week. "I don't want to go anywhere."

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Translation: "I want to keep the $3.5 million bonus."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse


Skins got fleeced. Time to move on.

Posted by: harrelsonw | December 21, 2010 1:54 PM |
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question remains, will we get fleeced again and again ?

Posted by: hessone | December 21, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

alan,

I'm not impressed with Shanny so far either, but I'm also not going to kill the guy after one year with what he walked into to.

He really screwed the pooch on the Mcnabb thing and basically admitted as much on the John Thompson show the other day.

The being tough on the players and holding them accountable is however a good thing, and maybe if the previous regime hadn't let the players do what ever they wanted he wouldn't have to waste so much time changing the culture of the guys in the locker room.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse
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Flounder I agree with you and may I add if I were going into a team starting off and McNabb was available I'd take a chance on it. OK so it didn't work out, no need to Ferrote, Brunell, or Campbell this thing along, cut ties and move on. If at the very least we have a coach that's not tied to loyalty for any of the old players and has no problem cutting them then Amen. And to finally have a GM who can work a complete draft, last year they had what 4 picks?

Posted by: clark202 | December 21, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I would guess that, if McNabb is not going to be on the roster, it will have to be a trade. Given what Shanahan/Allen held out for re: Haynesworth, I can't see them cutting McNabb outright (and, as an aside, I can't see them cutting Hayneworth outright either ... they're still going to want a trade, but will be asking less this time).

For McNabb, I figure that McNabb will try to figure out which offense is the one that is closest to what he did in Philly. Shanahan/Allen will try to find out which team has the best trade offer. With the number, health, and quality of this year's free agent class (most of whom should have been in last year's free agent class), I figure that they need to strike deals quick re: draft picks.

If McNabb gets cut outright, then in addition to SF (which makes tons of sense), Arizona (which doesn't), and Minnesota (would only have made sense if Childress was still there ... Frazier is a defensive coach), I wouldn't rule out going back to Philly to back up Vick. Kolb is done.

Posted by: dcsween | December 21, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,

I read Steinberg's blog with Colt Brennan's comments on McNabb vs Grossman.

The first thing that came to my mind was all the talk about "competition at every position".

If Grossman was the superior QB at making plays through training camp, shouldn't he have been starting from Day 1?

Posted by: Alan4 | December 21, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

McChoke can take the high road out of town.

Reid 1. Shanahan 0. talk about highway robbery on the I-95 LOL

but give Shanny time, it may be painful now, but that's just an indication of how bad a team he took over. he's making the right moves to make this into a professional sports team with some chance to win, that takes time when it was merely the owner's plaything for 10 long years.

Posted by: greatteamdan | December 21, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I can't see too many scenarios where McNabb will be with the Redskins next year. Is it me or does McNabb seem to be the kind of player who tells too much to the media? If you ask me, this is why Shanahan didn't tell him he wasn't starting until Thursday: he didn't want the other team to have the time to prepare for Grossman because he knew McNabb would have let the cat out of the bag. I know Shanahan has put the clamps on some of the players, and I suspect McNabb's openess with the media is at least one source of tension between the two.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

NT is the fulcrum position to make the 3-4 work. Ngata can play NT or DE. He's young, athletic, versatile and a real baller.

He's everything Hayneworth was supposed to be in CErratto's delusional bizzarro world...

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2010 2:09 PM

Repeat after me..

Ryan Kalil C
Ryan Harris RT
Carl Nicks OG
Tamba Hali OLB
David Harris ILB

Oh and yes to Ngata and thankfully the Chargers are leaning towards franchising VJax.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 21, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I concur. We've Ngata get Haloti.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 21, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I like what Shanahan is doing....If he wins the big one in DC he is immortalized.


We all like what Mike Shanahan is doing.

But we also have an open mind that closes quickly.

There is an obvious attempt to built a core team around those younger players who have had success this year.

But if improving upon that core entails the kind of loopy decision-making we saw last Spring in everything from the McNabb trade to adding failed vet running backs to depending on AH to not signing Foote/Porter to play opposite Orakpo,etc., then the mind will close very quickly.

And a closed mind is a terrible thing when hope and chance are wasted.

If next Fall is a bad as this one, we'll see why Pat Bowlen send Mike Shahanan packing.

Remember: for all the talk of Mike Shanahan's coaching prowess and football ken, he was fired--not retired--from his last job.

He didn't walk away from Denver--he was asked to go.

He has as much to prove professioanlly as anyone else that runs our franchise.

Our mind are open.

As are our eyes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 21, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | December 21, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

McNabb has only had to learn 1 playbook in his professional career until coming here. McNabb failed at learning this playbook. He failed where Grossman didn't. That is the biggest indictment on McNabb's either inability or unwillingness to learn the new scheme. Schaub became one of the best QB's in the league with playbook, Grossman threw for 4 TD's and was 4 for 4 in the redzone, 2 2 pt conversions, 322 yards and QB rating of 98. McNabb has more INT's than TD's.

Whatever the reason, it has put us in the predicament that we all are in right now. There is reason to keep McNabb not knowing if he is capable of learning and executing the playbook if his price tag is $40M in guaranteed money.

Later McNabb.

Posted by: JSchon | December 21, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Still the best fanbase in the league.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 21, 2010 1:50 PM

If we could only find a way to trade hessone and pabrian...for a couple hot, young Carolina Panther chick fans...that solidify us as the best!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 21, 2010 2:04 PM
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I'm thinking the best you would get is two broken shoe laces and a bowl of cold porridge.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Although I'm pretty sure Ray Ray would murder someone if Ngata was allowed to walk.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 21, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

as a fan, I feel disrespected by mcnabb's play on the field all while knowing the o-line is the real problem, mcnabb just aint getting it done either way

we're even, you happy mcnabb?

NEXT!!!!

Posted by: retroskins14 | December 21, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

To the guys thinking we even have the slightest chance to get ngata.. You two are smoking some crack. Harbaugh said at the beginning of the season no way he'd give him up.. That is they're priority in big contracts for the off season.. Sorry .. Moving on..

Posted by: SteveOman | December 21, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"The Baltimore Ravens say hi...."

Ok, gonna re-state:

As head coach. Don't be surprised to see Zorn out in Baltomore after the season as well.

Shanny's offense works, with better pieces then what the Skins have right now.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 21, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

To the guys thinking we even have the slightest chance to get ngata.. You two are smoking some crack. Harbaugh said at the beginning of the season no way he'd give him up.. That is they're priority in big contracts for the off season.. Sorry .. Moving on..

Posted by: SteveOman | December 21, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or does McNabb seem to be the kind of player who tells too much to the media?
Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

All well and good, I guess, but we also have it on good authority that young Kyle is a major leaker in his own right.

Or where exactly do you figure all of this tripe about Donovan's inability to grasp the system, play a two-minute offense, or practice with any sense of purpose come from?

While Donovan might be faulted for being too open and trusting with the media -- I suspect that Kyle could be more of a deceitful, devious and untrustworthy liar then even his old man.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 21, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

McNabb wants to stay? Well play better and you will stay! I am glad that Mr. Shanahan is going to blow up this team! Time to rebuild! You go boooy!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | December 21, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, you get your contract extended for millions prior to a Monday night game with Philly and stink the place up but you feel slighted?? What? Why the empathy for fat Albert and McNabb? Campbell was given three years to make the transition. Grossman comes in and throws 4 tds, racks up over 300 yrds and leads them to within an inch of winning against their bitter rivals and people are still lining up and belly aching about Shanahan? Give it a rest. Clearly Shanahan has way more insight than the peanut crowd on these forums.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | December 21, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't really see this as a demotion, but rather just sitting McNabb so Grossman and Beck can get some playing time, and the coaches can evaluate them. This is really a mountain out of a mole hill. If the Skins started Grossman from the first game, and he played like McNabb has this year, they would have benched him about the fourth game or so. McNabb was given a longer leash out of respect - so all this talk that he's been disrespected is just some cultural buzzword his agent threw out there. McNabb has earned no special treatment this year because of his performance - what's it hurt to take a look at the other guys?

Posted by: AsstGM | December 21, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys really think "playoffs"?! wtSJK?

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 21, 2010 2:10 PM
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No, but what other excuse was there for giving up picks to get McNabb? It's the opposite of rebuilding.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 21, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

There is no reason as fan to give Shanahan the benefit of the doubt when it comes to rebuilding. Didn't Grossman take five sacks and turn the ball over three times? Didn't Lichtenshtieger and Grossman collide like some slapstick comedy and turn the ball over? Yet these guys continue to impress Shanahan and play excellently.

He's got guys he gives slack to and guys he don't. Lichtenstieger could give every defensive tackle high fives to the backfield and yet make one nice downfield block and we'll hear about that block downfield on the eight yard run.

Shanahan has never BUILT a winner and we shouldn't think that he can do it here either.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 21, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

If Grossman was the superior QB at making plays through training camp, shouldn't he have been starting from Day 1?

Posted by: Alan4 | December 21, 2010 2:18 PM

There is competition at every position and then there is competition at every position. When you trade a second round pick in 2011 and a conditional third in 2012, some competitions are less competitive than others.

Diesel, I agree with all those choices ... but I also would accept Lamarr Woodley if Tamba Hali is not available.

If figure that this year, if there was ever a year to be allowed to upon up the Checkbook, is the one where owners are going to be allowed to open check books with some creative device to allow signing bonuses (or roster bonuses) without screwing the salary cap. The low rent owners (Buffalo, Jacksonville, Cincinnati) are just going to have to eat it.

Also, for those paying attention, the elephant in the middle of the room that is holding up the CBA negotiations is the unfunded medical trust funded for brain-injured NFL alumni. Both the owners and the players are going to have to kick in for that.

Posted by: dcsween | December 21, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking the best you would get is two broken shoe laces and a bowl of cold porridge.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2010 2:23 PM

Deal. Where do we sign?

Posted by: PlayAction | December 21, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

To the guys thinking we even have the slightest chance to get ngata.. You two are smoking some crack. Harbaugh said at the beginning of the season no way he'd give him up.. That is they're priority in big contracts for the off season.. Sorry .. Moving on..

Posted by: SteveOman | December 21, 2010 2:30 PM

Crack is so 90s. But as an ALLEGED crack smoker, I say fine. If Ngata is tagged (which I don't think can happen the year unless there is a new CBA in place prior to the expiration of the current one), then Trevor Pryce is available. Plan B at NT/DT would be Aubrayo Franklin (SF) who was so pissed at being tagged that he showed up late for camp.

Posted by: dcsween | December 21, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Flee to Arizona or Minnesota Donovan, don't stay in Shannyland.

Posted by: ozpunk | December 21, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

We should remember here that we're talking about a decision that was really made by an offensive coordinator who brought three whole years (none as an offensive coordinator) when he came here. The only thing he had going for him was his father. He couldn't adjust to the capabilities of the Washington offense, so he tried to rebuild McNabb--who didn't need rebuilding. I don't think anybody in McNabb's career before this has tried to change his footwork, but when a guy has been playing as long as McNabb, he doesn't need some young punk telling him to change what's been working. I also suspect that some of the injuries on the offensive line this year may have resulted from the same punk playing around in the same way with offensive linemen's techniques.
I've always thought the Redskins needed some stability and that Dan Snyder should stay with coaches a bit longer than he does, but he can't get the Shanahans out of town fast enough for me. And the coaches need a clause prohibiting employment of family members in their contracts.

Posted by: amstphd | December 21, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

PA won't watch this BEEPS---->

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 21, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Not saying I wish we could get him (ngata)...he's prob the best NT in the league. But I really don't see it happening.. Ravens will offer him a nice contract

Posted by: SteveOman | December 21, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

McNabb's contention that being told only 72 hours before the next game is "somewhat disrespectful" has the same feel as a teenage girl obsessing on the meaningless minutiae of being broken up with. 72 hours...120 hours...meaningless details. It's just something to focus on and validate the one man pity party he's had going on for years.
If he were still an Eagle, he would be due obsequious consideration which is maybe one reason Reid dumped him. The Skins have paid him handsomly for his mediocre pay this one season he's been around and don't owe him any special respect. 72 hours is fine. If they had told him any sooner, McNabb would say it was too soon after the Tampa game.
Donovan McNabb is about as relevant to the Redskins future as Fred Smoot. When the coach stops a reporter from asking a question at a press conference to say that he told a player he couldn't quarantee he would be back next year...that player is as good as gone.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 21, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Thunder - I hear ya. I'm saying that was a compromise Shanihanigans' did for the owner & GM.

That's what I'm thinkin'...

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 21, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking the best you would get is two broken shoe laces and a bowl of cold porridge.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2010 2:23 PM

Deal. Where do we sign?

Posted by: PlayAction | December 21, 2010 2:40 PM
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Just sign this nice little form with the notation at the top saying, "National Society of People Who Don't Know Their Ass From a Hole in the Ground".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 21, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

It is blowing my mind reading most of these posts (I admit, I didn't read ALL of them, so if I repeat someone, my bad) and it makes me wonder if you have been paying attention lately - like say the last ten years or so? Or have you all lost your short term memory? Shanahan inherited a team that was HORRIBLE on almost all accounts - does anyone really expect him to right the ship in just one offseason of acquisitions and draft?

With the "right or wrong" choice of bringing in McNabb - you remember who he replaced, right? Are you telling me as a coach trying to find some stability and experience you wouldn't jump on a QB like McNabb over Jason Campbell? Of course you would, it was the smart thing to do. And everyone that is griping over the contract extension and now benching him, the "extension" is voidable after this year if the Redskins want to do that. We are out of the playoffs, so we lose NOTHING by benching McNabb and trying out the other QBs in the system - it is actually the SMART thing to do as a coach. What would you do?

For everyone that is saying this is disrespectful, I am sorry but this game is larger than anyone player, and the mighty Burgandy and Gold is larger than any one player. I loved watching Riggins play, but he had to move on, we had to move on, and the Redskins live on. Shanahan is doing EXACTLY the right thing from a coach's standpoint by looking at the remainder of his talent.

I see it as playing out this way: I think Shanahan is looking to draft a QB this spring, and he is trying to decide who can hold the fort while the new kid is being groomed. If he can keep Grossman and not lose anything in productivity but gain ALOT in salary cap numbers (remember, we got to sign that new rookie)than it seems a smart move, right? Everyone is thinking emotion and worrying about McNabbs pride, but Shanahan and company are thinking business - and isn't that the kind of smarts we want around here, finally?

Stop thinking short term and easy answers - it took us 12 years to become this miserable, it'll take time for ANY coach to make this better.

Posted by: jshipman1 | December 21, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

We need to understand Donovan is purely a sideshow -- and an unfortunate victim to a little "family feud" in the Shanahan household.

Ol' Shanny knows that if he doesn't give the precocious young brat Lil' Shanny exactly what he wants, and as soon as he wants it too -- then Ol' Mama Shanny is going to make life a living hell for him too... in too many ways that are simply unimaginable.

Only fair chance that Donovan ever has of playing again for this team is to ask his loving mama (Wilma) to have a quiet word with Mama Shanny... to see if she can somehow calm her husband and/or restrain her young brat's bullying ways.

Also don't know what it is about Danny hiring dysfunctional families with nepotistic or incestuous tendencies... witness as well the Allens and Shottenheimers -- could it be that Danny aspires to become royalty himself too?


Posted by: Vic1 | December 21, 2010 1:12 PM

You're clearly an idiot.

Posted by: mbedner3420 | December 21, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

We need to understand Donovan is purely a sideshow -- and an unfortunate victim to a little "family feud" in the Shanahan household.

Ol' Shanny knows that if he doesn't give the precocious young brat Lil' Shanny exactly what he wants, and as soon as he wants it too -- then Ol' Mama Shanny is going to make life a living hell for him too... in too many ways that are simply unimaginable.

Only fair chance that Donovan ever has of playing again for this team is to ask his loving mama (Wilma) to have a quiet word with Mama Shanny... to see if she can somehow calm her husband and/or restrain her young brat's bullying ways.

Also don't know what it is about Danny hiring dysfunctional families with nepotistic or incestuous tendencies... witness as well the Allens and Shottenheimers -- could it be that Danny aspires to become royalty himself too?


Posted by: Vic1 | December 21, 2010 1:12 PM

You're clearly an idiot.

Posted by: mbedner3420 | December 21, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

^21^

Playing scared?

Scared of the coach?

Clinton Portis, Haynesworth, McNabb?

Highest paid and yet underperform.

Boo- f_cking- hoo.

For the money those guys make, my boss could kick me in the balls and throw a pot of coffee in my face at 7:00 in the morning.

I would respond with a ,"Thank you sir, good follow through on the kick and that coffee is especially fresh today."

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 21, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

So you are a ho? You would degrade yourself for money. Your life must SUCK.

Posted by: COLUMBIASKINS | December 21, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

^21^

Playing scared?

Scared of the coach?

Clinton Portis, Haynesworth, McNabb?

Highest paid and yet underperform.

Boo- f_cking- hoo.

For the money those guys make, my boss could kick me in the balls and throw a pot of coffee in my face at 7:00 in the morning.

I would respond with a ,"Thank you sir, good follow through on the kick and that coffee is especially fresh today."

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 21, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

So you are a ho? You would degrade yourself for money. Your life must SUCK.

Posted by: COLUMBIASKINS | December 21, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan's record for his last 4 years of coaching (including this one) 4 games under .500. (Norv Turner in the same period 18 games over .500 BTW)


These second and sometimes third acts for Super Bowl winning coaches almost never work out. Here are the records of some SB winning coaches over the last 4 years of their careers. It's a balanced look, because it usually includes some good records as well as the bad ones with their new teams that led to retirement.

Jimmy Johnson went only 6 games over .500 his last four years. Bill Parcells 4 games over .500 his last four years. Hank Stram 18 games under. Mike Ditka 24 games under. George Seifert 7 under. Joe Gibbs (asterisk here of course) 4 games under. Dick Vermeil 8 games over. Tom Flores 25 games under.

I left out Dungy, Gruden, Holmgren and Coughlin because they changed teams in the prime of their career with no break in service, so there wasn't much similarity to Shanahan's situation.

Coaches have career curves too, and it would appear that Shanahan is on the down side of his.

Posted by: 54465446 | December 21, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"he tried to rebuild McNabb--who didn't need rebuilding."

Oh really, his mechanics are horrible, he can't read defenses, and his accuracy is awful. Other than that Mrs. Linclin how did you enjoy the play? The collective brainpower from the WAPO bloggers would barely fill a thimble.

Posted by: bestmick1 | December 21, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"he tried to rebuild McNabb--who didn't need rebuilding."

Oh really, his mechanics are horrible, he can't read defenses, and his accuracy is awful. Other than that Mrs. Lincoln how did you enjoy the play? The collective brainpower from the WAPO bloggers would barely fill a thimble.

Posted by: bestmick1 | December 21, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"he tried to rebuild McNabb--who didn't need rebuilding."

Oh really, his mechanics are horrible, he can't read defenses, and his accuracy is awful. Other than that Mrs. Lincoln how did you enjoy the play? The collective brainpower from the WAPO bloggers would barely fill a thimble.

Posted by: bestmick1 | December 21, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

It's McNabb, McNabb, McNabb...please people. since when did 1 man become the "team"? Yeah, he's is no longer the QB of old (Philly), he's older slower, whatever, he does not win, nor does he lose a game alone. The Shanny's are scammys and Dannys been a fraud from day one. Bottom line, if McNabb is the issue and he's not, who picked him up? who played him? who signed him? So now, he's washed up, right? He'll go to Minn (or wherever) and shine for a 34+ yr old QB. Just like the others! And us Skins fans will still be here bashing the Shanny's (or some other coach) and DannyBoy, as we do year after year after year...after year. And what does it matter what McNabb says in the media, some will criticize, some will support, he can't please all! Since younger Shanny's buddy Grossy is in, let's see what he's made of, I can't wait.

Posted by: awfulexcuse1 | December 21, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan S'n the bed with his personnel moves this year= good for the Skins and he should stay.

McNabb playing badly this year= get rid of him.

What type of logic are you guys working with? Rex Grossman has been in this system for 2 years and looked OK for a quarter and a half. Yet McNabb should get the boot after 13 games?
My issue has been the lack of QB talent on this team since Joe Theisman. Now we have a bona fide QB and people want to jettison him for Rex Grossman after 13 games? Come'on folks, think. McNabb might be McNabb (balls in the dirt, inaccurate, etc.) but we've watched this guy make it happen in this league for years and to give up on him just because of a bad year and the OC's whining is dumb.
If Andy Reid was the coach of the Pats and decided that Brady didn't scramble around in the pocket to his liking. Would you say cut Brady?
That's one of the problems here, too much of a 'grass is greener' mentality. When we have Grossman stinkin it up next year and a rookie getting crushed behind a weak Oline, people will whine about why we got rid of McNabb.....

Posted by: priceisright | December 21, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

My sense is that Shanahan severely overplayed himself with the Haynesworth and McNabb situations, and at some pt Snyder will intervene and issue a ruling on that, and I would not be a bit surprised if he releases him and Son of Shanny. The political impact of what he has done outweighs anything else.
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We are talking about a football team, right? Leave it at football. I've heard the dumbest stuff this week: "They only gave Rex short passes." Hello, he completed them. Of the stats the WAPO writers convenienty forget: 4 for 4 in the red zone and 2 two-pointers. Mc Nabb hasn't approached those numbers. Scored 30 with no help from the defense...no turnovers, no nothing. Not even any field position.

Posted by: PS7900 | December 21, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

My sense is that Shanahan severely overplayed himself with the Haynesworth and McNabb situations, and at some pt Snyder will intervene and issue a ruling on that, and I would not be a bit surprised if he releases him and Son of Shanny. The political impact of what he has done outweighs anything else.
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We are talking about a football team, right? Leave it at football. I've heard the dumbest stuff this week: "They only gave Rex short passes." Hello, he completed them. Of the stats the WAPO writers convenienty forget: 4 for 4 in the red zone and 2 two-pointers. Mc Nabb hasn't approached those numbers. Scored 30 with no help from the defense...no turnovers, no nothing. Not even any field position.

Posted by: PS7900 | December 21, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Like them or not, the worst thing Danny-boy could do now would be to can the Shannys, blow up the staff, & have to start from square 1 AGAIN! More than linemen, more than a QB, more than anything else, this organization needs stability. The DM5 mess was & remains a fiasco, but Shanahan & Allen have to be given the opportunity to rebuild & turn the organization around, for the sake of the team.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | December 21, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

This NFL QB should not of ever re-signed with this town and organization. Donovan leave this town---you can play but it doesn't matter.

Posted by: CTaylor42 | December 21, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of McNabb whinning about wanting to be here and seemingly saying all 'the right things'.

Get angry, dude, show some emotion. I don't want a quarterback with class I want a quarterback with guts and feelings.

Besides, his skills are gone and hopefully he'll be gone soon!

Posted by: whatyoutalkinboutman | December 21, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Go Mr.Shanahan and do your thing! Time to clean house!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | December 21, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

deda wrote:

Frankly, I can foresee a scenario where the law firm of Shanahan & Shanahan are dismissed, and McNabb stays. The reason is simple: Grossman is not a long term answer, and rebuilding is a long-term process. Better to have a veteran in that process.

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Grossman is a veteran and the only scenario in which the Shanahans are let go is if Snyder's butt boy Vinny is waiting in the closet to come out and re-run things into the ground like he did before.

No chance McNabb is coming back and the Shanahan's are here to stay.

Posted by: dc1020008 | December 21, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to see McNabb back here next year with a full year in the system and adjustments on both sides to make it work.

Help him out by drafting an interior lineman with the 2nd pick and bringing in FA depth so Heyer doesn't have to ever play LT. Ever.

With the last ranked defense in the NFL we need to go D in the 1st round . . because we run the 3-4 defense now and have holes to fill.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 21, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of McNabb whinning about wanting to be here and seemingly saying all 'the right things'.

Get angry, dude, show some emotion. I don't want a quarterback with class I want a quarterback with guts and feelings.

Besides, his skills are gone and hopefully he'll be gone soon!

Posted by: whatyoutalkinboutman | December 21, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Folks, I am surprised there is disagreement on the Shanny move. I thought Rex, after shaking off a little rust, played admirably. He was working the system well and checking his reads. One pick was early in the game and probably had to do with the rust. The other was towards the end. Reality is that if Moss had caught that ball in the 4th quarter (which was perfectly thrown, by the way) then game over. Redskins win. So, looking at this in retrospect, I was extremely nervous about Shanny's move to bench McNabb, but I think that, for now, Shanny has been proven right. There was a problem at QB in DC. We haven't found the solution necessarily in Rex, but we now know QB was indeed the big problem. Substituting Rex showed that.

Posted by: ktp70 | December 21, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

i was listening to miami sports news yesterday and apparently the dolphins news media and fans are seriously interested in mcnabb. who knows about the organization though. anyway . . . there is going to be some interest in him if shanny doesn't want him. how high a draft pick we get depends on how many teams start to bid for him.

Posted by: sjw1 | December 21, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

ktp70,

No disrespect but that's bull..
We lost the game, Grossman moved the ball well at the later stages of the game. If Grossman were JC everyone would claim he moved the ball against a prevent D and he would get crapped on for the INT at the end of the game.
The BIG PROBLEM in DC is and always will be our Oline.
We'll see how Grossman plays in the upcoming games but to claim DM5 is the issue after 13 games is not very insightful. And to say Shanahan was correct would mean that we won the game, which we did not.

Posted by: priceisright | December 21, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The coach disrespected you? Its more like you disrespected the fans with your lacklustre, lousy, half obama-ed play.

I bet Mcnabb wants to come back. No one else wants him - or his hyper inflated salary.

Starting to look like Rush was right about Mcnabb all along.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | December 21, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

All this strange behavior by Coach Shanahan towards McNabb must relate to the conditions that were part of McNabb's trade in April. While I don't know the details, my guess is that IF McNabb plays a full season or maybe get so many touchdowns or yards this year, the Eagles get the Skins third round pick next year. If he doesn't finish the season and doesn't achieve certain benchmarks, the Eagles get the fourth round pick.

This makes sense but is a rather back-handed way to admit the acquisition of McNabb was wrong. If Shanahan really wanted Grossman over McNabb, be up front with McNabb and just say that. He's been through a lot in Philly and can handle something like that. What has unfolded over the last few weeks has been very disappointing to this lifetime Skins fan.

Posted by: DFi4487 | December 21, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

All you dreamers think Shanahan is so tough for his decisions to cut ties with personnel who don't cut the mustard.

But then why is his OC untouchable? Oh, because he hired his own kid to be OC.

Dad and son were too pig-headed to realize their offense wastes McNabb's talents, and is a poor fit for it.

So either change the offense or get rid of McNabb--but the Shanahans-worship is hilarious. They are as washed up as McNabb.

Posted by: johnhopkinson2004 | December 21, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

JSHIPMAN1 is right on.

Posted by: sportsfan2 | December 21, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I want the Redskins to once again be a winner after 19 years of losing (no super bowl) and I could care less what QB does it.

Posted by: edeshields | December 21, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

No matter what you think about McNabb on the field, there's no denying this guy is a class act.

I wish we still had a much younger QB in Jason Campbell, those two draft picks back, and all that money to spend on linemen instead of McNabb.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 21, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I got news for everyone who thinks this. Coaching is NOT the problem. These coaches inherited a 4-12 team, a franchise in a downward spiral, only 5 draft picks, and the smallest FA class EVER!! This season has the largest FA class ever and we already have 7 picks plus we control two players who could fetch us a pick. It takes more than a season to get rid of overpaid players and a losing culture.

Posted by: ryan_conaway | December 21, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

All this strange behavior by Coach Shanahan towards McNabb must relate to the conditions that were part of McNabb's trade in April. While I don't know the details, my guess is that IF McNabb plays a full season or maybe get so many touchdowns or yards this year, the Eagles get the Skins third round pick next year. If he doesn't finish the season and doesn't achieve certain benchmarks, the Eagles get the fourth round pick.

This makes sense but is a rather back-handed way to admit the acquisition of McNabb was wrong. If Shanahan really wanted Grossman over McNabb, be up front with McNabb and just say that. He's been through a lot in Philly and can handle something like that. What has unfolded over the last few weeks has been very disappointing to this lifetime Skins fan.

Posted by: DFi4487 | December 21, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I rarely post. But this is just flat out wrong. The only question was whether Philly or NO got the 3rd vs. 4th. We lost them both. Also w/o 9 wins or Pro Bowl for DM, no chance for Philly to get #3. So forget your conspiracy theories on this point. We gave up 3 and 4, and only question was which franchise would get which.

Posted by: zornskins2 | December 21, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Donovan,

Turn out the lights
The party's over
They say that
All good things must end
Call it tonight
The party's over
And tomorrow starts
The same old thing again

Don Meredith

Posted by: getitritegov | December 21, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I got news for everyone who thinks this. Coaching is NOT the problem. These coaches inherited a 4-12 team, a franchise in a downward spiral, only 5 draft picks, and the smallest FA class EVER!! This season has the largest FA class ever and we already have 7 picks plus we control two players who could fetch us a pick. It takes more than a season to get rid of overpaid players and a losing culture.

Posted by: ryan_conaway | December 21,

Huh, I disagree. Part of the problem is coaching. I expected Shanny to be at least 4 games better than Zorn, not 1-2. Shanny overhauled the roster and put 30 new players on it that he chose. Shanny took a top 10 defense, re-invented the wheel and made it the worst defense in the league (on pace to potentially be the worst Skins Defense ever).

Shanny made the decision to give up picks for DM and made the decision to keep Galloway around.

So yeah, Shanny owns this mess. Do I even have to mention the lies and the way he deals with players? Just as he insist on holding players accountable, he needs to hold himself to the same standard.

Posted by: dcwun | December 21, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

The only thing I can see at the moment with regards to McNabb is that you had no class dismiss total class. The one thing you have to say about Donovan is that this guy exemplifies class. He could've pulled a Haynesworth and refused to show - but he was one of the team captains for the game Sunday and stood there at mid field with his head held high - that is a man of character, a man of class. Shanahan (both Sr and Jr) could take a lesson in personal integrity from McNabb. If they felt the need to make a change, they certainly could've handled this change with a great deal of more class than they did. The Shanahan duo come off as a pair of Napoleonic egotists more so than a pair with a plan. Benching McNabb the way they did with nothing left to this season probably did more harm than good. There are a great number of angry fans with this move regardless of how Grossman played - but hey, we're only the fans (pay attention here Snyder) Low class, disrespectful and untrustworthy are not admirable qualities no matter who you are - got that Shanahan? This variation of the Snyder Redskins disgusts me.

Posted by: whelms1 | December 21, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure how New Orleans comes into the draft pick picture. I thought it was just a conditional 3rd or 4th pick to Philly. Still, I'll concede away the conspiracy angle. Although I would say that all this craziness coming out of Ashburn lends itself to the kind of conspiracy thinking I suggested.

I'm just totally perplexed as to why Shanahan wasn't candid and upfront with McNabb. Just admit that it wasn't working out. How hard is that? In so doing we would have avoided all this strife. Shanahan should have just fallen on his sword and admitted a mistake and then move on.

It's sad. The Skins continue to be a soap opera not a football team. It is clear that the signing famous big named players in DC doesn't work and that practice must end! Ten years of it is enough! Hopefully that's what Shanahan is moving towards.

Posted by: DFi4487 | December 21, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I think Donovan should be happy to be getting out of Ashburn and the dysfunctional mess that is Dan Snyder's football team. A certain Oakland Raiders QB probably is feeling good about where he is today.

I also agree that Shanahan needs to just admit the trade was a mistake, be candid with McNabb and move on without all the drama.

Posted by: mdflorals | December 21, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The rose is off the bloom on Shanahan, and McNabb looks like the better man, with a new set of fans and not a bad payday. We're stuck with the Shanahan clan for 2-3 years, so we should ride with it. McNabb will play somewhere else, probably as a backup, but with an 18 game schedule he'll get to start again wherever he lands. We can't afford to start over every year so we'll need to stick it out with Shanahan. Donovan is a leader of men, and hopefully he'll get to a Superbowl to cement his Hall of Fame entry. With better career stats than Sonny Jurgensen he should be in the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: bfjam | December 21, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Fire the Shanahans keep McNabb. I'm tired of their circus, it's been nothing but a circus since they were hired. I wanted Haynesworth gone... Actually never wanted him in the 1st place but he handled that situation poorly also. He doesn't know how to handle people, his sons the same way. They can't work with players so they can succeed, the best coaches do that. Even the Coughlins and Parcells of the world do that. We need to get a coach that makes adjustments well, isn't stubborn and plays to our players strengths. If the father and son duo did that from the get go we would be a playoff team year 1. We should have transitioned slower to the 3-4 like they said we would. If we had, we would have a top 15 d for sure with Haynesworth and Carter playing in the 4-3. It was just dumb to not adjust and work better with your personnel. Heck they don't even target their best offensive weapon in the 1st half the last few games and they wonder why we lose.... Even JC, Zorn and the Bingo caller knew that much. Lol

Posted by: avbanig | December 21, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Here's the thing with Nabb. Shanny thought he was smarter than he was. Nabb never could pick up the offense and make it work like Kyle wanted. That's why he got benched in Detroit. Shanny knew Nabb couldn't run the offense in the two minute if he couldn't run it during the game. Nabb misses reads and hurries his throws ( how many in the dirt have you counted??) all year. He can't pick it up. Look what happened when Rex played. That's how our offense is supposed to look. 30 points....hello. Nabb is a great guy, great arm, not so bright. He's gone.....

Posted by: Riggo2 | December 21, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

ryan conaway wrote:

"This season has the largest FA class ever and we already have 7 picks plus we control two players who could fetch us a pick"

Given that only Trent Williams has been a contributor from this years draft, and the other pickups have been shall we say unsuccessful, your optimism would seem unfounded.

This is especially true on defense where Shanahan has an absolutely appalling record as a judge of defensive talent.

Posted by: 54465446 | December 21, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

It is a shame that the skins can do this to the guy. It is his first season in a new system. Dont put all your faith on Grossman remember he was awful in Chicago and expect this to resurface soon. www.askasportswriter.com

Posted by: Kswiss1 | December 21, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Papa and Sonny Shanahan should get the boot by Snyder. They have turned this season into a soap opera. They have desperately tried to divert attention away from their own failings with all of this manufactured QB drama. The Defense was fairly decent at the start of September - now it is ranked dead last. Kyle Shanahan has made some very questionable calls and seems in over his head. The whole Haynesworth saga was draining. The Offensive Line certainly could have used help. The missed extra point fiasco on Dec. 12 was just another example of a team in distress. Etc. Etc.

Rex Grossman threw four TDs - but he also was the reason they lost with his costly fumble and interceptions. Look at most of the Dallas opponents' scores this year - they averaged about 35 each game so Grossman getting 30 was no big deal.

Personally I hope McNabb will go somewhere where he will be appreciated. He deserves so much more than he got under the Shanahans.

Posted by: uofmdgrad | December 21, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Are you tired of the circus that has been the Washington Redskins since Snyder bought the team in 1999? Are you one of the folks who think that Shanahan is the answer and you're glad he's here to lay down the law and supposedly put things in order?

I've got some bad news for you.

What if Snyder had hired Shanahan as soon as he bought the team? And suppose that Shanahan had performed the same as Skins coach as he did in Denver in that same time period, since 1999, the year that Elway retired?

The Skins would have won even FEWER playoff games.

Here's why I say this:

1999 - Norv Turner got the Redskins a Wild Card playoff win against the Detroit Lions. That same year, Shanahan's Broncos did not qualify for the postseason.

2000 - Mike Shanahan got his Broncos back into the playoffs after missing it the year before. The Broncos got annihilated by the Baltimore Ravens in the Wild Card game 21-3.

2001 and 2002 - both Snyder's 'Skins and Shanahan's Broncos missed the playoffs.

2003 - Shanahan got his Broncos back to the playoffs. They were torched by the Indianapolis Colts in the Wild Card game 41-10.

2004 - Shanahan got the Broncos back to the Wild Card game where the Colts killed them, 49-24.

2005 - Joe Gibbs got the 'Skins another playoff win against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That same year, Shanahan got the Broncos his only playoff win since Elway retired but was crussed in the AFC Championship game by Pittsburgh, 34-17.

2006 - Both Snyder's Redskins and Shanahan's Broncos missed the playoffs.

2007 - Joe Gibbs got the Redskins back to the playoffs, where we lost the Wild Card game to Seattle. Shanahan's Broncos missed the playoffs for the second year in a row.

2008 - Both Snyder's Redskins and Shanahan's Broncos missed the playoffs.

2010 - Snyder and Shanahan's Redskins missed the playoffs.

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 21, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Don't care who you have back there playing QB. If he isn't protected, he will under perform. Simple. Sonny said he could beat anyone if his line gave him 4 seconds to pass. Grossman was sacked 5 times! McNabb was hurried all season and because of his mobility and experience he was able to avoid some of the rush. Campbell was in the same boat. The offensive line has been the elephant in the room for years. We are still feeling the sting of Vinny and Synder. And the defense? Well that's another story! How's that 3-4 working for you!!!!!

Posted by: cjstarbuc1 | December 22, 2010 6:18 AM | Report abuse

Don't care who you have back there playing QB. If he isn't protected, he will under perform. Simple. Sonny said he could beat anyone if his line gave him 4 seconds to pass. Grossman was sacked 5 times! McNabb was hurried all season and because of his mobility and experience he was able to avoid some of the rush. Campbell was in the same boat. The offensive line has been the elephant in the room for years. We are still feeling the sting of Vinny and Synder. And the defense? Well that's another story! How's that 3-4 working for you!!!!!

Posted by: cjstarbuc1 | December 22, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I think Kyle may be a decent offensive coordinator and may become a great offensive coordinator. From the limited knowledge I have from his on camera appearances, he does not seem to be a leader of men and thus I would question that he would one day be able to move up successfully to a head coaching position. Eventhough, snyder is staying in the background, I do believe that win Mike does leave, Snyder and Allen will make that evaluation, not Mike S.

One other observation, I don't see how any offensive coordinator can do that job from the side lines and not the skybox. You can not see anything from the sidelines. Unless, Dad is trying to get him comfortable on the sidelines to develop him for a head coaching job, why is he not in the upstairs where he can see the whole field? Anyone know if Kyle worked from the sidelines in Houston?

Posted by: Skin4Life1 | December 22, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Is it possible that Shanahan & son are just using the drama of Hayneworth and now McNabb to keep the focus away from their shortcomings?

For the Redskins, who is quarterback makes little difference if that QB is pressured on every down. Just look at the paragraph in the article about Grossmans's supposed 93 QB rating with two picks and a fumble and five sacks. That is a team issue not a QB issue.

I will begin to have hope for the skins when I see major improvement on the Offensive line, a credible defense, better conditioning, better team tackling, and a kicker that doesn't choke on 30 yd FG attempts.

Get real folks, this is a three to four year process.

Posted by: 15of18 | December 22, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

And, OH, by the way. How about that Jason Cambell!! Having a great year with Oakland while not getting killed in the process.

Posted by: 15of18 | December 22, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Jason Campbell's outstanding year is further proof that once one is removed from the toxic climate in Ashburn amazing things can happen!

McNabb is a star. He should be with a team that will showcase his strengths. If Snyder keeps Papa and Sonny Shanahan next year then I hope McNabb will leave. With the excellent supporting cast of players in Minnesota I can see McNabb doing great things.

But if Snyder has any hope for his beloved Skins he will get rid of Papa and Sonny Shanahan and start fresh with someone like Bill Cowher (sp?). Then McNabb could stay.

Papa and Sonny have been a disaster. Sonny is in way over his head and Papa has the personnel skills of a toad. Pay them off and get a coaching staff with some class.

Posted by: uofmdgrad | December 22, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

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