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Donovan McNabb handles benching his way

By Jason Reid

In today's On Football, we analyze quarterback Donovan McNabb's approach to the controversy that stemmed from Coach Mike Shanahan's decision to bench him late in the Week 8 loss to Detroit.

Some national NFL television analysts have criticized McNabb for being too passive, saying he should speak out publicly against the head coach and Kyle Shanahan, Washington's offensive coordinator. But McNabb, who has encountered controversy throughout 11-plus successful seasons in the NFL, has handled himself well, many of his teammates said recently.

"He's handling it the only way you can handle it," wide receiver Santana Moss said. "The opposite way [speaking out publicly] ain't gonna get you nothing but more drama, you know?

"Just stay positive about the situation, and taking it for what it is, is the best thing to do. Everybody's gonna have their perception of what really what went on, but only you know what's really happening with your body. ... You can't worry about what 'they' say about you."

Many veterans hope McNabb, who can become a free agent after the season, returns to the Redskins for the 2011 season.

"He's done the right thing. He's kept his mouth closed and gone about his business," cornerback DeAngelo Hall said. "At the end of the season, he'll have a choice too. He'll determine if he wants to be here.

"If he likes how things are going, or if he doesn't, it'll be his choice. But you go ask the guys in here if they want him back. He's our quarterback. We believe in him."

By Jason Reid  | November 10, 2010; 10:00 AM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb, Kyle Shanahan, Mike Shanahan  
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Comments

"He's done the right thing. He's kept his mouth closed and gone about his business," cornerback DeAngelo Hall said

This is just priceless.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line is McNabb can't win either way...he's doing it exactly how he should do it: with his chin up and with class and dignity. Play on, playa...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Some national analysts think McNabb should speak out publicly against his coach? Really? Which ones are those? The ones that want more crap to post? Certainly not any with any football sense or even common sense. The only possible reason you could think this is a good idea is because you want more controversy to print. This is a load of crap (as usual).

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 10, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Today's threads: an analysis of the McNabb benching.

Tomorrow's threads: a look back at the Haynesworth saga.

Stay tuned...

Posted by: Alan4 | November 10, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

draft class of 2008, what else needs to be said ?

oh, vinny cerrato.

there, done with the analysis.

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 7:37 AM

Like 2010 is special.....

Tell me....what offensive lineman outside of the 1st round is on this team? If Vinny was still here, he would have drafted a tackle as well with the #4 pick....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

draft class of 2008, what else needs to be said ?

oh, vinny cerrato.

there, done with the analysis.

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 7:37 AM

Like 2010 is special.....

Tell me....what offensive lineman outside of the 1st round is on this team? If Vinny was still here, he would have drafted a tackle as well with the #4 pick....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Just curious...how did the blog shift from Titanic deck chairs to STD hookers? I'm lost...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Such is the workings of RI. I liken it to a Porta-Potti, one day it's clean, then someone comes and sh*ts all in it and it's dirty for a week.

Hey, how about getting an STD from hooker on a desk chair on the Titanic? Oops, spoiled an old story of yours didn't I beep?

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Hey, how about getting an STD from hooker on a desk chair on the Titanic? Oops, spoiled an old story of yours didn't I beep?

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 10:18 AM

See...that wasn't predictible at all!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse


on Sunday, the pats had a rookie TE fumble at the 2 yrd line right before halftime, as well as be involved in another fumble on a kickoff as well as dropping passes in the game, yet they STILL were passing to him later on in the game....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 10:05 AM |

bean, they lost the game. you make no sense with this comment, none at all

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Hey, how about getting an STD from hooker on a desk chair on the Titanic? Oops, spoiled an old story of yours didn't I beep?

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 10:18 AM

See...that wasn't predictible at all!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, trying to mix it up a little! The old Monk would just say beep got an STD from a hooker behind the fryer at McDonalds, or did he give HER the STD? Oh well, chicken and egg......

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse


DT11, gone, amen
MK12, IR and gone, writings on the wall
FD86, given opertunities and has blown them, gone

cerrato, thank god he's GONE

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Come on, hessone.

Vinny was a screw-up, but give credit where it's due: Fred Davis produced last year. Just because Vinny picked him doesn't mean he can't play.

He's barely involved in the offense and his production as a backup TE is almost identical to Galloway, who was supposed to be our #2 WR.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 10, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

...to say nothing of the fact your lives are incredibly empty when tearing down sports writers gives you three quarters of a chubby.

Posted by: lavararrington | November 10, 2010 10:21 AM

Not true...can't speak for everyone here...but I get a full hard on.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Such is the workings of RI. I liken it to a Porta-Potti, one day it's clean, then someone comes and sh*ts all in it and it's dirty for a week.

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 10:18 AM


Good analogy. I just sprayed some Lysol just in case...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

MK12, IR and gone, writings on the wall

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 10:27 AM

What?

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Was reading the ESPN bottom line yesterday and saw a quote from McNabb that he found it "hilarious" that he didn't know the offense. It then went on to say how he was benched in favor of Grossman in the last two minutes.


All I could think about was how these drama mongers were just stirring the pot. It's a classic damn if you do, damned if you don't situation. Take the high road and you have no backbone, blast Shanahan and lil' Elroy in the media then he's a cancerous ass.


Say what you want about McNabb's on-field play, but he is the consummate professional and the epitome of class.

And why would he rip Mike and Shanny J-R? The dude is holding ALL the cards in this relationship. If he doesn't believe in the offense or simply doesn't like the 2 Shannys he can just leave at the end of the season. If I'm McNabb I'm smiling at all this because I know that "they'll need me before I need them."


But with that said this should be the LAST day this is discussed. The incident occurred over a week ago. They have put it behind them, it's time we all (media and fans) follow suit.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Some national analysts think McNabb should speak out publicly against his coach? Really? Which ones are those? The ones that want more crap to post? Certainly not any with any football sense or even common sense. The only possible reason you could think this is a good idea is because you want more controversy to print. This is a load of crap (as usual).

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 10, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Bingo. He can't produce one talking head that has advocated for #5 to go public and admonish the coach.

All Reid ever does is spin the little flickering light bulb ideas in his head into some ambiguous "Unnamed Source" or "Person inside the building" or "Person with knowledge of the situation".

At any rate, I think McNabb has handled this very well and I look for a big game form him Monday night.


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 10, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse


Come on, hessone.

Vinny was a screw-up, but give credit where it's due: Fred Davis produced last year. Just because Vinny picked him doesn't mean he can't play.

He's barely involved in the offense and his production as a backup TE is almost identical to Galloway, who was supposed to be our #2 WR.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 10, 2010 10:28 AM |

I love it when folks refer to last year. let's see, we finished 4-12 and FD86 had HOF numbers.

C'mon Al, we've already matched our wins from last year, if you want to compare this year to last year. I don't care what he did last year, and he hasn't done a damn thing when GIVEN the opportunity. and the first two point conversion hit FD86 in the hands. not a perfect throw, but if he's as good as you say he is, he catches that pass 9 times out of 10

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

lavararrington

when tearing down sports writers gives you three quarters of a chubby. Seek help

3 quarters of a chubby?

You jokin', son.

Criticizing sports writers makes my thing so big the ladies call me Moedingo, aka, The Black Snake.

Get it straight.

'Cuz I am.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"Tell me....what offensive lineman outside of the 1st round is on this team? If Vinny was still here, he would have drafted a tackle as well with the #4 pick...."

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2010 10:17 AM

If you'll recall, VC was in the tank for Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen before this year's draft. My guess is that, instead of trading for DM5, he would have taken Clausen in round one and addressed the O-line either in free agency or with later picks. So for everyone who thinks that we're in such bad shape now, based on how Clausen has performed in Carolina, believe me, it could be worse.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | November 10, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I think in order to win this game against the bEagles we have to stick to running the ball. Load the Torain, stick in James Davis, and if healthy give CP26 some carries. If I am not mistaken the last game CP26 played was vs. the bEagles, and we should all agree that was a differnt Portis playing. The guy was making some incredible cuts, and showed burst. He was playing soo hard, he hurt himself.

I think our key is to keep our RB's fresh, but at the same time riding the guy thats hot. Our ground game should be good this week, as our O linemen crushed the bEagles small D linemen last game. Once we get the ground game going, roll Mc5 out and have him to take advantage of an injured secondary.

As for defense. I think we should take away the pass and allow Vick to run. I don't care about him running, cause he will do it anyway. We have hard hitters on defense, and if he runs every play it will affect his throwing. They are going to take the ball up and down the field with him running, but we have to limit the points. No big plays and limit the TD's. If they score FG's, its still better than 7 points.

Also, we have to do something about Shady McCoy, becuase he had a day on us last game. They have so much speed guys on offense, its hard to pick a guy. Shut down the Wr's like last game. And we should be fine. Kemo had his best game against Detroit, imo. He looks to be getting more healthy, so if he is stuffing the middle of the line we should be fine.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 10, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 10:36 AM

He does conduct himself as a professional and he's handled this business as well as possible. I don't think he has all that much leverage though. If it seems to the other 30 front offices that Reid and Shanahan have given up on him since Easter Sunday 2010...he's never going to sniff the kind of money he wants.
They both need each other and success is the only way out for both of them.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 10, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Tell me....what offensive lineman outside of the 1st round is on this team? If Vinny was still here, he would have drafted a tackle as well with the #4 pick....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Don't be so sure -- as I recall, they were scouting QB's not lineman last year.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 10, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I think he should just shut it down with the media. Anything he says will get a negative spin on it. Here's a question for everyone: if McNabb stinks up the joint in the first half against Philly, does Shanny bring out the hook?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

hessone, Vinny isn't 100% idiot (maybe 95%).

Last year's team wasn't 100% incompetent--the Cowpies this year are MUCH less competitive than the Zornskins, which lost 6 games by a TD or less. Last years club was basically a 0.500 level club that underproduced. This year we have a 0.500 caliber club producing about as expected so far.

Beleive it or not, even the Cowpies have a few good players on their team this year, and they're having a MUCH worse season than last year's Zornskins.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 10, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, trying to mix it up a little! The old Monk would just say beep got an STD from a hooker behind the fryer at McDonalds, or did he give HER the STD? Oh well, chicken and egg......

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 10:27 AM

Good to see you're working on your game monk...beep-beep is just trying to make this a better place for everyone...that's all.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I thought you all knew:

hessone hates, I mean HATES the 2008 draft class. Davis, Thomas, and Kelly to be more specific. His notion that Fred Davis can't play is founded on the base of his HATE of the guy. Nothing more.

There is NO f-ing WAY that you can fix you fingers to type that Fred Davis can't play, hess. So what if he's dropped a pass in a game? Pretty sure that Cooley has a few fumbles and drops on his resume as well.

I don't know where your loathing comes from. Is it because Cerrato drafted those guys, or is it the order they were picked. Maybe you hate how they picked WR-TE-WR... maybe to you it came to represent the dysfunction with the team... don't get why you hate those guys so much.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

It's obvious FDavis only gets motivated when he's PUSHED into more playing time due to injury, and I don't blame Shanny for lightening his load a little to motivate him to play harder.

Hessone is right (can't believe I'm saying this!), Davis has dropped passes he should have caught, period! No excuses! That's why he's not playing more, and because he's not playing more he's not motivated to work harder.

If I were him I'd watch out for Paulson. Once someone is in Shanny's dog house, heaven help him, it takes a great escape plan to get outta that prison!!! I predict Davis is traded in the offseason and Paulson becomes the No. 2 TE behind Cooley. 'Monk' it down!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Here's a question for everyone: if McNabb stinks up the joint in the first half against Philly, does Shanny bring out the hook?


I don't think he'll stink up the joint as he now plays with a chip on his shoulder.

He'll play well for about 2-3 games.

If not, then get the HOOK ready.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Won't speak for Hess, and I mostly like Fred Davis, but Round 2 WR-TE-WR 2008 probably best represents the nincompoopery of Redskins management of those days. There are many other examples of course.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 10, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins will win on Sunday. Don't ask me how I know...just know I didn't use any fancy Army theorem to figure it out...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

MK12, IR and gone, writings on the wall
FD86, given opertunities and has blown them, gone

cerrato, thank god he's GONE

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 10:27 AM

Seems like you're reveling in this and hoping for more disappointment. Why? So you can rub it in Beantown's face a little? Those two guys emerging, especially Kelly, are just what the Skins need. As fans, that's what we're hoping for...right? Putting the cherry on top of the "Vinny sucks" Sundae is very important to you it seems. Do you have to sound so happy about it? Are you hoping Orakpo tanks too... just for good measure?

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 10, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

MK12 is on Shanny's good side. Shanny loves the guy. That's why he is on IR and you will be hearing alot about MK12 next year. And therefore, WR won't be one of their priorities next year.

DT11 still has the potential, but was in the Shanny doghouse.

Sleepy showd glimpses but is playing behind Cooley.

Henson was a victim of the 3-4 conversion.

Horton is still on the team.

Tryon is getting good play @ Indy.

And Reinhart was victim, like Dockery is currently, of the change in the type of OLineman Shanny wanted.

And Rob JAckson is still around (I think PS?)

Now, let's recap 2010 Draft:

Cook, Capers, and Austin on PS.

Morris cut.

Trent Williams Beast.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Here's a question for everyone: if McNabb stinks up the joint in the first half against Philly, does Shanny bring out the hook?


I don't think he'll stink up the joint as he now plays with a chip on his shoulder.

He'll play well for about 2-3 games.

If not, then get the HOOK ready.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Aaarrrr, avast ye matie!!! Ye havin a bad year McNabb, walk the plank ya scallywag!!!
And if ye be giving us any more predictions of 24-20 PlayAction, ye will be next!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

WTF!! Why all the hate on Davis. As if Cooley hasn't dropped passes he should have caught. Or as if Cooley didn't fumble the ball. Some of you just shock me with all of your hate. Then they guy leaves and blows up and you be the very ones bitcing about the player being let go.

Posted by: jm220 | November 10, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I predict Davis is traded in the offseason and Paulson becomes the No. 2 TE behind Cooley. 'Monk' it down!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 10:56 AM


John Feinstein just dubbed Monk "the George Wallace of prognostication."

Posted by: freakzilla | November 10, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse


hessone, Vinny isn't 100% idiot (maybe 95%).

Posted by: Alan4 | November 10, 2010 10:44 AM |

I'm 100% sure he's 100% idiot, 99.9% of the time

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

So we're cutting guys -- position players -- for not catching a 2-pt conversion?


Good. That's just fhucking brilliant...

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MCole, really think at this point in McNabb's career he cares more about winning than he does money. Of course he's going to want adequate compensation for what he feels he's worth, but he has options to go to teams that maybe in a better position to win than the Redskins are.


Minnesota - coaching and the Favre circus is why that team has underperformed. Both Favre and Childress will be gone next year.

San Francisco - swap Alex Smith and Donovan McNabb and the Redskins are 2-6, the 49ers are 4-4 if not better.

Arizona - Max Hall. Enough said.

Cleveland - I don't know who'll be their head coach next year, but if it is Holmgren, seeing how him and Andy Reid are tight, I wouldn't rule out Cleveland as a destination spot which will give McCoy another year to prepare.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I don't think he'll stink up the joint as he now plays with a chip on his shoulder.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 10:58 AM

Not about a chip, but about all the chips. He's in a contract year and his play in the first half of the season won't get him good money anywhere in the league and -- at this point -- won't even draw interest from the Redskins.

He will be a backup in Buffalo next year at the league minimum unless he turns it around in the next few games. Plus, this one is against Philly, at home, and on national TV. And -- Oh Yeah -- Billy Ray Cyprus is singing the national anthem.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

And if ye be giving us any more predictions of 24-20 PlayAction, ye will be next!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 11:03 AM

Aye Aye Captain...but the score this week WILL be Redskins 24, Eagles 20...I ain't scared of no plank.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

mcole, its all about 'being right' and as someone stated a week or so ago 'winning' in their very small and convuluted world...these people would rather pimp themselves, and pat themselved on the back, than have the team be productive, and win....ufb....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Good to see you're working on your game monk...beep-beep is just trying to make this a better place for everyone...that's all.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I know, he's like the recycler of the post!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Why should No.5 speak publicly about this situation? Let him focus on Monday night and the rest of the season.

Posted by: NFL-RedskinsFan | November 10, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Cleveland - I don't know who'll be their head coach next year, but if it is Holmgren, seeing how him and Andy Reid are tight, I wouldn't rule out Cleveland as a destination spot which will give McCoy another year to prepare.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 11:06 AM

The Cleveland fans love Colt. And the players are beginning to rally around him. I don't see Colt going anywhere soon.......

Just like JAson Campbell will be the starter as long as Al Davis likes him.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Back when Ben Muth was doing his analyses of the Washington blockers, he referred repeatedly to the turnover in that line, particularly the injury-related stuff. Muth maintained the Skins were actually overperforming given the hit-or-miss makeup of the unit. I think that's probably true. Maybe we convinced ourselves that drafting Williams and trading for Jammal were the solution. Obviously, that's only partial.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 10, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse
Good point to remember, Samson. OL was major problem, no way to fix entirely in 2010, given lack of FA's available. Could have used 2nd rd pick on a guard or center, but not a waste in getting an upgrade at QB.

Remember, we are 4-4 at the break. Most preseason predictions said 8-8 would be about all we could expect.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 10, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 10:27 AM

Seems like you're reveling in this and hoping for more disappointment. Why? So you can rub it in Beantown's face a little? Those two guys emerging, especially Kelly, are just what the Skins need. As fans, that's what we're hoping for...right? Putting the cherry on top of the "Vinny sucks" Sundae is very important to you it seems. Do you have to sound so happy about it? Are you hoping Orakpo tanks too... just for good measure?

Posted by: MColeman51


WTF!! Why all the hate on Davis. As if Cooley hasn't dropped passes he should have caught. Or as if Cooley didn't fumble the ball. Some of you just shock me with all of your hate. Then they guy leaves and blows up and you be the very ones bitcing about the player being let go.

Posted by: jm220

Co-signage!

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Won't speak for Hess, and I mostly like Fred Davis, but Round 2 WR-TE-WR 2008 probably best represents the nincompoopery of Redskins management of those days. There are many other examples of course.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 10, 2010 10:58 AM

To be fair, you couldn't find anybody in the media that day who didn't say Vinny had a good first day in the draft. The Redskins were on every pundit's "winners" list. I don't know if you knew, and posted, that DT11 was going to disappoint and that MK12 was going to struggle to stay healthy. If you did...very impressive.
It's easy to poke at the decision with the benefit of hindsight because the players have disappointed. I don't get the criticism about the three players all being receivers. We needed receivers and people saw them as value picks that day. If they had worked out, we'd be focused on other problem areas...but glad we have a good stable of receivers.
To me, a more fair criticism of Vinny's 2008 class is Reinhart. EVERYONE said that was a reach that could be had in the 6th round if you liked him so well.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 10, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse


I don't know where your loathing comes from. Is it because Cerrato drafted those guys, or is it the order they were picked. Maybe you hate how they picked WR-TE-WR... maybe to you it came to represent the dysfunction with the team... don't get why you hate those guys so much.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 10:48 AM |

red, I don't hate these players

I don't like the way the FO does business

I also don't know what goes on in practice

I sincerely hope that FD86 can become an impact player for the redskins, but my gut feeling just tells me the 2nd round of that draft is a bust.

I also value our draft picks and think cerrato and our scouts did a horrible job. we need to get serious about the o-line and d-line thru the draft, which we have a good start with TWilliams. that always brings me back to trading away our draft picks.....

not hatin, just being realistic


Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

4th, was out on a limb with the Cleveland talk.


But it's the NFL. What may look logical and locked today can look idiotic and chopped pieces the next.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Has any1 thought of maybe franchise tagging Mc5 and bring in either a rookie or a young guy to compete?

Posted by: roccoskins | November 10, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

WTF!! Why all the hate on Davis. As if Cooley hasn't dropped passes he should have caught. Or as if Cooley didn't fumble the ball. Some of you just shock me with all of your hate. Then they guy leaves and blows up and you be the very ones bitcing about the player being let go.

Posted by: jm220 | November 10, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I don't hate Davis, I just haven't seen him bounce back after a poor performance. Sure, Cooley has dropped some major passes this year, nobody is trying to hide that. But there are 2 main differences between Cooley and Davis:
1. Cooley has earned the benefit of the doubt. A ProBowler earns that respect, Davis will get criticized until he is that player.
2. Cooley bounces back after a bad game or a bad Quarter, Davis let's it get into his head and let's it affect his catching and blocking.

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Some national analysts think McNabb should speak out publicly against his coach? Really? Which ones are those? The ones that want more crap to post? Certainly not any with any football sense or even common sense. The only possible reason you could think this is a good idea is because you want more controversy to print. This is a load of crap (as usual).

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 10, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Bingo. He can't produce one talking head that has advocated for #5 to go public and admonish the coach.

All Reid ever does is spin the little flickering light bulb ideas in his head into some ambiguous "Unnamed Source" or "Person inside the building" or "Person with knowledge of the situation".

At any rate, I think McNabb has handled this very well and I look for a big game form him Monday night.


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 10, 2010 10:36 AM |

Terry Bradshaw on the FOX pregame show last week is one.

Posted by: aaarmstr | November 10, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Re: Fred Davis

It's just outlandish to say that Fred Davis can;t play b/c he was a Vinny pick.

And to the people who are saying Fred Davis deserves to be sidelined b/c of a few drops this year, I submit to you the following question:

WHO ELSE SHOULD WE PUT OUT THERE TO CATCH SOME BALLS?

I mean, if Logan Paulsen were out there burning it up that would be a different story.

Instead we are running the same plays to Cooley - plays that are now getting covered/sniffed out b/c teams know we have a one-dimensional Cooley-dependent short/medium passing game. 1-2 deep balls a game to Armstrong. Santana gettting the usual looks.

And then there are persistent rumors that Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams play on this team, though there's little evidence to back those rumors up.

So...the question remains:

Who else can we try to throw the dang ball to?

Posted by: p1funk | November 10, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

He's in a contract year and his play in the first half of the season won't get him good money anywhere in the league..

Even if, I'd still franchise tag him, and take what might be the best offer in trade.

This works out even better if he plays great over the next couple of months.

I have nothing but respect for McNabb.

But I'd druther draft a young'n and complimentary o-linemen.

Trading #5 (and #92) gives you additional picks to make that happen, especially if 3 mid round type picks come back in return.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

WTF!! Why all the hate on Davis. As if Cooley hasn't dropped passes he should have caught. Or as if Cooley didn't fumble the ball. Some of you just shock me with all of your hate. Then they guy leaves and blows up and you be the very ones bitcing about the player being let go.

Posted by: jm220

Co-signage!

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 11:14 AM
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Co-co-sign, but I can't say the lack of faith in Davis is completely unwarranted. In his limited reps he has done little to encourage the team to give him more playing time. Last year was last year and Fred needs to make some big plays if he wants to get more playing time. Personally, I would like to see a two tight end set used as a base and the team to alternate between fullback on running downs and another receiver on passing downs.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

rumors that Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams play on this team

bigfoot

abominable snowman

loch ness monster

all pretty much one and the same...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

My prediction for the rest of the season:

vs. Eagles - W
@ Titans - W
vs. Vikings - L
@ Giants - W
vs. Bucs - W
@ Cowboys - W
@ Jags - W
vs. Giants - L

Won't be pretty, but we hit 10-6 and sneak in the playoffs as a wild card. Didn't have to use Madden or Army hocus pocus either...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I don't believe the franchise tag is available since there's no CBA in place.

Posted by: p1funk | November 10, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

But it's the NFL. What may look logical and locked today can look idiotic and chopped pieces the next.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 11:19 AM |

They love you as long as you are winning. It's the bad times, that gets to you.

Just like Dallas. Phillips has had a winning recod 3 straight years, including a 13-3 year. But gets fired with one bad half a season. They should have started firing players....beginning with Mike Jenkins.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

2. Cooley bounces back after a bad game or a bad Quarter, Davis let's it get into his head and let's it affect his catching and blocking.

Posted by: monk811


Hard to bounce back the first time you make a whiff on a block or you drop one pass. Shanahan doesn't leave him in the game long enough for Davis to try to make it right.

And from what I remember Cooley wasn't the best blocker either. As a matter of fact that's something that has gotten much better as of this season.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

rumors that Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams play on this team

bigfoot

abominable snowman

loch ness monster

all pretty much one and the same...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse


I don't know Bean.

I've seen the "photos" of Nessie and Bigfoot, and I gotta say it is much more compelling stuff than the Galloway/Roydell rumor.

Posted by: p1funk | November 10, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

rumors that Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams play on this team

bigfoot

abominable snowman

loch ness monster

all pretty much one and the same...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 11:29 AM
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Get rid of both. Activate Terrence Austin and James Davis. Use Chad Simpson as a receiver occasionally to set up an end around with him late in the game...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Roydell is a favorite punching bag on RI I notice. No doubt, he doesn't make much of an impact in the passing game. Take notice of his special teams play though. It's been good and getting better each week seems to me. I don't think they're paying him a lot. Maybe, in the final analysis, they see him as pulling his weight. Galloway though...I just don't get.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 10, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Even if, I'd still franchise tag him, and take what might be the best offer in trade.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 11:22 AM

I was with you, but am having second thoughts. Franchise tag is $15 million+ and at that price we might be stuck with him for a year.

Need to see what happens in the next eight games. But, at this point, he's on the hot seat because he has no contract going into a possible lock-out.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"Why all the hate on Davis. As if Cooley hasn't dropped passes he should have caught. Or as if Cooley didn't fumble the ball. Some of you just shock me with all of your hate."

Posted by: jm220 | November 10, 2010 11:04 AM

I don't hate the guy, for being a VC pick or for any other reason, but when two separate coaching staffs determine that a player should get little to no playing time (which was the case last year before Cooley got hurt), that suggests that the problem (be it drops or not knowing his assignments or lack of effort or whatever) is the player's, and not the coaches'.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | November 10, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

More of the same...yawn. JR, write about Bank's and his surgery or something else

Posted by: erthdog | November 10, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

My prediction for the rest of the season:

vs. Eagles - W
@ Titans - W
vs. Vikings - L
@ Giants - W
vs. Bucs - W
@ Cowboys - W
@ Jags - W
vs. Giants - L

Won't be pretty, but we hit 10-6 and sneak in the playoffs as a wild card. Didn't have to use Madden or Army hocus pocus either...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

My prediction for the rest of the season:

vs. Eagles - W
@ Titans - W
vs. Vikings - L
@ Giants - L
vs. Bucs - L
@ Cowboys - W
@ Jags - W
vs. Giants - L

We end up 8-8, and miss the playoffs as the G-men take the division and the wild cards go to teams in the South and North divisions. The debate about whether to keep or dump McNabb rages on as our up-n-down season continues with atrocious interior Oline play, leading to spotty QB play.

On a bright spot, the season ends with Terrence Austin on the active roster, Ryan Torain firmly entrenched as the starter, and Brandon Banks getting worked more into the offense.

Posted by: p1funk | November 10, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse


Re: Fred Davis

It's just outlandish to say that Fred Davis can;t play b/c he was a Vinny pick.


So...the question remains:

Who else can we try to throw the dang ball to?

Posted by: p1funk | November 10, 2010 11:21 AM |

another receiver or running back ? we could make TW74 an eligible receiver ?

just an eye towards next year and whether FD86 is worth keeping. at this point, no, but he'll get some playing time and we'll see

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

My prediction for the rest of the season:

vs. Eagles - W
@ Titans - W
vs. Vikings - L
@ Giants - W
vs. Bucs - W
@ Cowboys - W
@ Jags - W
vs. Giants - L

Won't be pretty, but we hit 10-6 and sneak in the playoffs as a wild card. Didn't have to use Madden or Army hocus pocus either...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Brownie - I like your optimism, but I don't see this team winning four straight regardless of the opponents. I think the best they can hope for is 9-7 including 5-1 in the division and 8-4 in conference sneaks them into the wild card.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | November 10, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Don't make much difference which way McNabb handles it. He's a class act on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room and out in public too.

It's more important to see which way Shanahans-squared handle it -- and frankly, we haven't see much to applaud about there now, have we?

Am also given to understand that Sexy Rexy is getting a lot more snaps in practice this week -- presumably, to see if he might also be better suited to running the other 58 minutes of the offensive scheme.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 10, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

They should have started firing players....beginning with Mike Jenkins.......

Posted by: 4thFloor


Would Axel Sensabaugh or Allan Ball before Jenkins. The former two bamas "just suck, they no good"...

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse


Co-co-sign, but I can't say the lack of faith in Davis is completely unwarranted. In his limited reps he has done little to encourage the team to give him more playing time. Last year was last year and Fred needs to make some big plays if he wants to get more playing time. Personally, I would like to see a two tight end set used as a base and the team to alternate between fullback on running downs and another receiver on passing downs.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 11:26 AM |

seal of approval

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Roydell is a favorite punching bag on RI I notice. No doubt, he doesn't make much of an impact in the passing game. Take notice of his special teams play though. It's been good and getting better each week seems to me. I don't think they're paying him a lot. Maybe, in the final analysis, they see him as pulling his weight. Galloway though...I just don't get.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 10, 2010 11:35 AM
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The knock on DT was all he could do was teams. I can't see using teams only as a justification for keeping Williams around. At the end of the day, the receivers on the roster need to get open and catch the ball. Neither Williams or Galloway are offering much in that department. When it comes down to brass tacks, I would rather have a minimally contributing rookie with an upside rather than a minimally contributing veteran with his best years behind him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse


bees peeps

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about any of this other than to say that winning is a great deodorant.

Thank God for the Vikings currently claiming the crown for the most dysfunctional outfit in the NFL.

This is also why I have a philosophy of late that I would be fine with going an entire year without signing anyone under 6'4" and 300+lbs.

What good is adding offensive skill players of the QB can't take the snap without being stepped on by his center, getting blown up by a blitzing LB, falling down on his own/not being able to get out of his own way or flat-out not being fluent with the o-system itself?

The offense will struggle this week - that's a fact. My question is whether we will blitz a lot and put a spy (LL30?) on Vick or run a lot of 4-3 to get Haney into the mix. Maybe both?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 10, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Might be worth our while to kick his tires:


Dolphins waive Jason Allen after signing Al Harris
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 10, 2010 11:40 AM ET

Jason Allen's tenure with the Miami Dolphins has come to an end.

The Dolphins announced today that after signing cornerback Al Harris, they have waived Allen, a cornerback taken with the 16th overall pick in the 2006 NFL draft.

Allen was a favorite of former Dolphins coach Nick Saban, who unsuccessfully attempted to recruit Allen to LSU and then coached against him when Allen was at Tennessee. But he was mostly a disappointment with the Dolphins.

This season Allen has started seven games and intercepted three passes.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse


f beeps

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if you knew, and posted, that DT11 was going to disappoint and that MK12 was going to struggle to stay healthy. If you did...very impressive.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 10, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm actually tempted to go back and search what I wrote. I was devastated when I first heard that Dan and Vinny had foolishly drafted three receivers with those precious 2nd round picks. Like so many others here (including JLC) it was brutally obvious to me that the both lines needed restocking in 2008.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 10, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

what? this guy is above reproach? how many superbowls he won? how many superbowls has he brought his team to? lets face it, he's lazy, he's riding out his twilight years for the money, and doesnt feel like learning a new system. you dont perform, you dont play, I dont care if you are jesus christ and god all in one, which this guy aint. every game is a job interview. waaaah...poory donny had to sit down...well, donny, if you didnt suck, youd be playin' there, playa....duh.

Posted by: NrG2BrN | November 10, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Frankly am sick of all "the Mcnabb handled it so well" jab, its a bunch of rubbish the point is that the dude stinks on third downs and hurry-up situations, why dosn't any one wanna address that fact. Who cares about how he handles or feels the benching, he stunk in Philly he stinks here.

Posted by: zimife1999 | November 10, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Frankly am sick of all "the Mcnabb handled it so well" jab, its a bunch of rubbish the point is that the dude stinks on third downs and hurry-up situations, why dosn't any one wanna address that fact. Who cares about how he handles or feels the benching, he stunk in Philly he stinks here.

Posted by: zimife1999 | November 10, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

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