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Donovan McNabb trade: Hamilton, Boren chat

This figures to be a ridiculously busy sports day, what with Tiger Woods' press conference, the Nationals' opener and the NCAA men's basketball championship, but let's take first things first, which just so happens to be the name of Tracee Hamilton's daily chat. There was a Redskins trade last night and Tracee will chat about that and whatever else is on your minds at 9:30 a.m.

Afterward, there will be a short break in which you should really try to get all your work done for the day. Next up with a Redskins-centric chat is Cindy Boren at 11 a.m.

By Cindy Boren  |  April 5, 2010; 7:00 AM ET
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Wtf??

Posted by: Redcoat | April 5, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

I haven't read Wilbon's article yet, but it seems a bit fishy to me that he likes the McNabb move when he's been killing the Skins for making the same kind of moves for the past decade. Just because he happens to be buddy buddy with DM.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

I wish we hadn't given up two picks, but I've got to believe there were other teams bidding for McNabb and we had to outbid them.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 7:03 AM

On M&M...Schefter just said other teams had better offers....but McNabb didn't want to go to those teams. Once he made it known to them he would love to go to the Redskins....Bruce Allen told Andy he would give up #37 pick...and Andy countered with the 2nd pick next year...Allen said deal...and viola.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 7:16 AM

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

....Bruce Allen told Andy he would give up #37 pick...and Andy countered with the 2nd pick next year...Allen said deal...and viola.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 7:16 AM


Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 7:24 AM |

4th,

Please say and another pick next year not the 2nd pick otherwise idiots up here will think we gavce away next years 2nd as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

"Just because he happens to be buddy buddy with DM."

You have to learn to pick through Wilbon's biasedness. When he just "writes" he's a wonderful sports journalist.

When he throws his opinion down, well, he's like one of the guys at the bar that your talking sports with.

I've always been a McNabb fan going back to Syracuse, but not for the Redskins.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 5, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

This figures to be a ridiculously busy sports day, what with Tiger Woods' press conference, the Nationals' opener and the NCAA men's basketball championship

By Cindy Boren | April 5, 2010; 7:00 AM ET

We all know how the NCAA's gonna end, don't we?

Go, Duke!

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

We all know how the NCAA's gonna end, don't we?

Go, Duke!

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 7:36 AM |

It will be raining 3's in Indy tonight.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

I haven't read Wilbon's article yet, but it seems a bit fishy to me that he likes the McNabb move when he's been killing the Skins for making the same kind of moves for the past decade. Just because he happens to be buddy buddy with DM.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 7:22 AM


Ryp, he admits as much in the column...it's actually a good read (regardless of what many here feel about the guy). But he does make his bias known at the end and all but says he won't write any columns about DMac while he's a Redskin for that very reason. I think that's a stand-up thing to do on his part, especially when you have clowns like Len Pasquarelli and others who let bias fuel their work and tank their credibility.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

On M&M...Schefter just said other teams had better offers....but McNabb didn't want to go to those teams. Once he made it known to them he would love to go to the Redskins....Bruce Allen told Andy he would give up #37 pick...and Andy countered with the 2nd pick next year...Allen said deal...and viola.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 7:16 AM

Not to get too technical, but Scheter said that the Bills & Raiders were leaders of the pack, but that Donovan (and the Eagle FO )didn't want those teams to be McNabb's last teams. When the Skins threw in the 2011 pick, the deal got done. I didn't hear anything about other teams offering a better deal. In fact, what I got from Scheter's comment was that the Skins had a similar offer on the table, ie. a 2nd rounder in 2010 on the table. The Eagles weren't going to trade McNabb to the Skins all things equal, so the Skins had to ante up. I still thing it was a good move on the Skins part, but they paid more because I thinking they were in the division.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Whatever you think about the trade (I'm shocked, but OK with it) you've got to think McNabb (a better QB than JC) will come in 100% motivated and glad to be away from Philly.

If you want proof; have a look at this...

http://www.igglephans.com/

Posted by: stevebeagrie | April 5, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Feelings are mixed about McNabb but what's done is done and we'll have to see. With the remaining picks we obviously need OL and possibly some really good undrafted player signings for other team needs and depth.

Although Alex Gibbs isn't with Shanny this time, their thinking on offensive lineman may be in line so this article shows good promise for possible lineman lower in the draft (except for tackles): http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/21019/anatomy-of-a-gibbs-coached-lineman

Posted by: TakinAWiz | April 5, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Thats good to know. I have always liked the guy and enjoyed reading his columns (especially when he used to do it weekly for the Skins, before he blew up), even though I don't always agree with everything he says, I think he's a good columnist.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

We're not getting ANYTHING for JC. Other teams know he will eventually be cut, so why the f would they give something up.

Donovan is going to get injured in the first game because Heyer can't block ish!

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 5, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

I am sure McQuarterback will be every bit as polarizing a figure in Washington as he was in Philly, but who cares? We've got a legitimate franchise quarterback now. He can't be any more polarizing than Campbell has been. I suspect this means Shanahan and Allen plan on drafting an offensive linemen first or trading down. I also suspect that this means a trade for Campbell will yield some draft picks from some team that will be closer to the top. Still, if a 2nd and next year's 4th are what it takes to get a QB of McNabb's stature, I can't think Campbell will warrant more than a 3rd round pick this year and a very low round pick next year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

I don't know man. To me this will be like rooting for Roger Staubach, Phil Simms or Tony Romo. They must think we can win now at the expense of the future.

Posted by: quinn3 | April 5, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Redskins offered Albert Haynesworth to the Eagles
Posted by Mike Florio on April 5, 2010 8:03 AM ET
As mentioned in the 10-pack we pounded out last night for SportingNews.com and by Rosenthal several hours earlier, the Redskins dangled defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth as part of the trade talk that culminated in the Donovan McNabb deal.

We've heard that safety LaRon Landry's name also came up during the discussions.

Adam Caplan of Scout.com (via Sheil Kapadia of Philly.com) has likewise reported that Haynesworth was offered to the Eagles. We heard in the wake of the deal that the Eagles had no interest in adding Haynesworth to the team.

Bottom line? The new regime in D.C. definitely seems to be souring on the crown jewel of last year's free-agent class.

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 5, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Ugh. What to make of this? Larry Johnson, Willie Parker, Donovan McNabb, and still no Oline? Is this how you rebuild?

We almost certainly cannot select a LT worthy of our #4 pick, and any QB selection will require a JC trade. IMO, we have just telegraphed our hope to trade down in the draft.

Where is our LT going to come from? And what kind of long term deal is McNabb looking for? Will he survive to even make that relevant?

I guess no one can say that McNabb isn't worth the picks, but again: Is this how you rebuild a team?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Donovan is going to get injured in the first game because Heyer can't block ish!


Posted by: Salinas1 | April 5, 2010 8:02 AM |

Heyer will not start for this team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a fan of this trade, at all. Whats the difference between this and the JayTay trade?? If the team doesn't sign Mcnabb to an extension, then this is just another AWFUL trade. Not to mention, but guess what?? The LINE STILL STINKS!!

Should have kept the picks, and solidified the line, in my opinion.

My euphoria from opening night was quickly diminished by this trade.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

We almost certainly cannot select a LT worthy of our #4 pick, and any QB selection will require a JC trade. IMO, we have just telegraphed our hope to trade down in the draft.

Where is our LT going to come from? And what kind of long term deal is McNabb looking for? Will he survive to even make that relevant?

I guess no one can say that McNabb isn't worth the picks, but again: Is this how you rebuild a team?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 8:06 AM |

What the F are you talking about if Okung is there he is the choice, if he's not there then he wouldn't have been there anyway.

If Bradford falls to 4 we will have plenty of chances to trade down.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Is this how you rebuild a team?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 8:06 AM

Do you think there's only one way to rebuild a team? Do you think you can pass judgment before you see what team they put on the field? Do you think the team has to be rebuilt in the first month? Before the draft? In the first year?

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

This now FORCES them into a corner with the #4 pick. If Okung is gone, then they're going to have to reach for the next best tackle, and if they trade back, teams know that they have the Redskins over a barrell, due to the lack of picks, and the lack of OL talent. This just seems like something that VC would have done to me.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Heyer will not start for this team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Where are we getting a starting RT? With our 4th round pick?!!!

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 5, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line? The new regime in D.C. definitely seems to be souring on the crown jewel of last year's free-agent class.

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 5, 2010 8:06 AM |

I read about these guys being dangled last night. It makes sense in that Haynesworth isn't working out with the team. When CP did it, Shanny got rid of him. When B Marshall did it, Shanny was trying to trade him away. So Haynie to the Lions wouldn't be too much to ask, would it? LL is in a tough spot, from what I've read, a bulk of the new defense will require the safeties who can cover man to man (Berry?) and who a sharp enough to make the secondary adjustment based on the opponents personnel. LL isn't much a student of the game. He'll need to be this year that's for sure.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

After sleeping on it, I found that my confusion was not that the Redskins traded for a quarterback, or that they gave up their second round pick to do so; rather, my confusion stems from the knowledge that I will be obligated to root for Donovan McNabb for the foreseeable future. If this had been a guy from a team outside the division that had been to several championship games, a SB and 6 Pro-Bowls, who was obtained for a 2nd and (worst-case) a 3rd next year, I would be ecstatic.

In all, I think a solid move, and I do believe that we will see a trade down in the draft, a trade of some players, and several Oline players drafted in a few weeks.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | April 5, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Where are we getting a starting RT? With our 4th round pick?!!!

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 5, 2010 8:12 AM |

Do the games start tomorrow is FA over with, have teams cut veterans that are still viable. Yes you can get a RT in the 4th round been done many times.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Whats the difference between this and the JayTay trade??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 8:07 AM

Is that a serious question? Taylor didn't have a position in Blatche's defense. McNabb is a near-perfect fit with what Shanahan does.

It's a risky trade, but I think it's the best of several alternative scenarios that were in play: (1) sticking with Jason Campbell; (2) trading up for Bradford; (3) taking Clausen with the #4 pick; (4) taking another QB in the second round.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Here's a possible explanation for this trade...wouldn't be bad if this is right:

Is McNabb's next stop St. Louis? The McNabb trade comes at a time when the Redskins were kicking tires on a trio of possible first-round quarterbacks: Sam Bradford, Jimmy Clausen, and Colt McCoy. The initial reaction? It was all a ruse.

But was it? With the Rams apparently unwilling to give up the first pick in the second round of the draft for McNabb, would St. Louis be willing to take him and the fourth pick in Round 1 for the No. 1 overall selection?

Under this theory, the Redskins would use McNabb as the ammunition to get in position to draft Bradford. Given the glowing comments that coach Mike Shanahan made about McNabb on Sunday night, it's highly unlikely. But given that the Redskins have been throwing a string of curveballs ever since Shanahan and GM Bruce Allen arrived, nothing can be ruled out.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

So, does JC go to the Bills or the Raiders? I'm betting a thrid round pick this year and a fifth round pick next year closes the deal.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

This now FORCES them into a corner with the #4 pick. If Okung is gone, then they're going to have to reach for the next best tackle, and if they trade back, teams know that they have the Redskins over a barrell, due to the lack of picks, and the lack of OL talent. This just seems like something that VC would have done to me.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 8:12 AM

What makes the most sense for the Skins is to address the LT before the draft. That is, they should have a deal in place with the Ravens for Gaither, or sign Flozell. By getting McNabb, it signifies a move to reach deep into the playoffs this year. I would think that getting a vet with starting experience, and above average skills at the LT position would be the next move bu the Skins.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

So, does JC go to the Bills or the Raiders? I'm betting a thrid round pick this year and a fifth round pick next year closes the deal.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 8:21 AM

There was that rumor early in FA, that JC would go to the Bills and the Skins would get Whitner and a pick. Anything is possible with Shanny/Allen.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I think a 3rd and a 5th may be asking too much, based upon the current quarterback situation with the 'Skins. Though, Al Davis might be willing...

Posted by: Cavalier83 | April 5, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

McNabb is a near-perfect fit with what Shanahan does.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 8:20 AM


Um, not so fast LS...

I've read about as much reaction and analysis of this trade as I can get my hands on and I've read a pretty good mix, from "the Redskins are getting fleeced" to "the Skins are now the favorite in the NFC East". The truth likely falls somewhere in between, but consider this quote from Matt Williamson from ESPN.com:

"I have mixed feelings on how well McNabb fits Shanahan’s scheme. Shanahan stresses accuracy and great anticipatory passing. I don’t consider either being McNabb's strengths. Plus, those three running backs aren’t big assets in the passing game and they don’t have any resemblance to Brian Westbrook, whom McNabb has had as a safety valve out of the backfield for the majority of his career. But it should be noted that Shanahan doesn’t require as much from his backs in the passing game as Andy Reid. There will be a learning curve."

This trade is far from a lock...and presenting it as such is to be a sucker for whatever The Danny puts on your plate.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

ls, using your words its a risky trade, and this I feel is a team that could ILL afford to take risks with players, especially draft picks. They shouldn't be taking risks like this, Philly just got a high draft pick, and we got an older/aging player, and our line STILL stinks.

brown, if they do that trade, then maybe VC is still running the show over there, because thats just outright stupid.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

This just seems like something that VC would have done to me.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 8:12 AM

You mean like drafting Orakpo? Yeah, Vinny never did anything right.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

"I will tell you this, the Redskins better improve their OL right away..."
Ron Jaworski on ESPN Sports Center 8:30 am.

Jaws also said this is not Dan Snyder but Bruce Allen and Shanahan and commended Snyder.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 5, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Brown,
I hope your right about the deception and this trade. However, I could have accepted drafting a QB over an O-lineman allot better then this trade.
Sorry a young stud QB would have been my choice of chance. Especially if I could not get two O-lineman with our first two picks.
Maybe Mel Kiper will have to re-evaluate his draft board now.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 5, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

ls, yeah, he hit on orakpo, but here choke on this:
Brandon Lloyd
Adam Acrhuletta
Trade for Jay-Tay
Laron Landry over Adrian Peterson

All I'm saying is that this is a team coming off a 4-12 season. Trading high draft picks for a qb, when the OL is a categorical disaster, just seems foolish to me.

How good a passer can you be while picking turf out of your cage??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

ls, using your words its a risky trade, and this I feel is a team that could ILL afford to take risks with players, especially draft picks.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 8:29 AM

I would love to hear how you can avoid taking risks with players. Who's your sure-thing QB? Bradford? Clausen? McCoy? JC? And, who's the player you can take with the second round pick who has less risk than Donovan McNabb?

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Posted by: Gweez | April 5, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Whoa, whoa, whoa LS...you're defending Vinny right now? Are you serious?

Even a blind squirrel can find a nut...the sun shines on a dog's ass every once in a while. Vinny landing Orakpo (especially when Oher was still on the board) is a long way from validating him as even a viable GM...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Do the games start tomorrow is FA over with, have teams cut veterans that are still viable. Yes you can get a RT in the 4th round been done many times.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

How much you wanna bet Heyer is our starting RT in September?

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 5, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

ls, my contention all along has been to build the OL first, along with having a coach who can you know...coach, and see what JC can do. With this, you now have 1 less pick to solidify the OL, and you have reduced the value you can get in return for Campbell.

my .02...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

How good a passer can you be while picking turf out of your cage??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 8:35 AM |

Aaron Rogers was the 4th rated passer in the league and he picked more turf out of his cage then JC.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Do the games start tomorrow is FA over with, have teams cut veterans that are still viable. Yes you can get a RT in the 4th round been done many times.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Yes...Joe Jacoby was UNDRAFTED. That worked out pretty good.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 5, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

How much you wanna bet Heyer is our starting RT in September?

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 5, 2010 8:39 AM |

Dumb question like you would ever pay up, Hyer will not be the starting RT trust me.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

That's a good point League. McNabb is far less a risk than any player taken with the #37 pick. He is a known quantity, and no quarterback or lineman taken with that pick would be. Look at what the Dolphins did with the second round pick they got from the Taylor deal--Pat White. Not exactly a step-in-from-day-one-and-shine kinda guy. The draft is a crapshoot, and when you can get a proven Pro-Bowler, possible future HOFer for a second and third round pick, that seems the way to go.

Also, I have a hard time with people who like this trade being labeled as individuals who lay down and believe anything Snyder will tell them. People have their own brains, and if they believe what they believe, they have a reason for it. Let's just say that they like the idea of McNabb playing for the 'Skins and believe that he will do a far better job piloting the offense than Campbell would have.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | April 5, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

With the Rams apparently unwilling to give up the first pick in the second round of the draft for McNabb, would St. Louis be willing to take him and the fourth pick in Round 1 for the No. 1 overall selection?

Under this theory, the Redskins would use McNabb as the ammunition to get in position to draft Bradford.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Brown - I hear you and thought that myself as well, but if that was the case, I don't think we would have given up two picks, do you?

Posted by: quinn3 | April 5, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

yeah he did flound, but Rogers and campbell are the same age, McNabb wont last at 33/34 taking this pounding, and again, we now have 1 less pick to use on the long overlooked offensive line.

All I'm saying is that they should have solidified the OL. Period. Everything else would improve, if their offensive line play improves. Passing, running, time of possession, it would all go up.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Do the games start tomorrow is FA over with, have teams cut veterans that are still viable. Yes you can get a RT in the 4th round been done many times.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

While I agree that moves can still be made, what you're suggesting(waiting for vet LT to be waived) is exactly what the team did last year. Talented LTs don't get released, unless their skills are diminishing. It's the ultimate buyer beware move.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Yes...Joe Jacoby was UNDRAFTED. That worked out pretty good.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 5, 2010 8:42 AM


If you have to rely on finding undrafted gems every year, you suck. See...well, the Redskins under Vinny.

Finding undrafted starters is supposed to be gravy on top of a good draft...not a necessity in lieu of one.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

While I agree that moves can still be made, what you're suggesting(waiting for vet LT to be waived) is exactly what the team did last year. Talented LTs don't get released, unless their skills are diminishing. It's the ultimate buyer beware move.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 8:46 AM |

I'm talking about RT not LT, we get the LT in the draft.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

ls, yeah, he hit on orakpo, but here choke on this:
Brandon Lloyd
Adam Acrhuletta
Trade for Jay-Tay
Laron Landry over Adrian Peterson

All I'm saying is that this is a team coming off a 4-12 season. Trading high draft picks for a qb, when the OL is a categorical disaster, just seems foolish to me.

How good a passer can you be while picking turf out of your cage??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 8:35 AM

You left out the Antonio Pierce debacle, didn't you?

First three whiffs were all on Gibbs/Saunders/Gregg Williams.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a huge fan of this move, but I think it makes sense. Favre and Warner are way older and they've been successful up to now. McNabb is still relatively young, and if he can stay healthy, this could be a good move. The thing to look out for the most is draft day. If Bradford plays hardball with the Rams and threatens not to sign, and he falls to the 4th pick, there are many teams that would most likely want to trade up to get him. Now, we can recoup the 2nd or 3rd round picks that we've lost and still get a top 10 or top 15 pick to get the best LT available. And continue the process with more OLine help from there. But wait, there's more... We can now trade Campbell and Portis for more picks, and possibly even Cooley for the right price. The only thing that I don't like about this move is that we didn't move Campbell first. His trade value just went down significantly since all teams now know we won't expect a lot for him. Bottom line, IF we can trade down from the 4th pick, trade Campbell and Portis, and get a bunch more picks and really address the OLine, we'll be in great shape. Shanahan and Allen will still draft a QB of the future, and it may be someone that we haven't heard linked to the Skins like Snead or LeFevre or someone like that.

Posted by: johntaylor2 | April 5, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

First three whiffs were all on Gibbs/Saunders/Gregg Williams.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 8:51 AM

1st, 2nd, and 4th whiffs -- Landry, Archuletta, Lloyd.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Aaron Rogers was the 4th rated passer in the league and he picked more turf out of his cage then JC.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Actually he did not. He had more sacks but Campbell took more hits overall.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=PASSING_SACKS_ALLOWED&d-447263-n=1&season=2009&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1

Posted by: alex35332 | April 5, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

No idea how DM will function behind what to this date is still a dysfunctional O line, nor a clue as to how well he'll do with what hasn't been the most stellar lineup of receivers. But this is definitely a better QB move than hoping JC somehow finds his groove this season as a Redskin. The only thing that I really wonder about is that Donovan had some of his greatest success with a healthy. pounding running back behind him. That scenario here remains a questionmark.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | April 5, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

...or we stay with what we have this year and get the QB of the future next year...

Posted by: johntaylor2 | April 5, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

You mean like drafting Orakpo? Yeah, Vinny never did anything right.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse
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I'm just curious: what was our record last year with Orakpo?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't saying to rely on it brown....just saying it can happen.

You can also pick a couple of Tony Mandarichs in the first couple rounds too.

Nothing is sure fire.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 5, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

ls, he was still on board with the trades/draft picks, so he's still culpable....

Sorry I just don't like this.

They got older, and unless they sign DM to a contract extension, he's one, and done. And at age 33/34, they still need to start looking for their qb of the future.

They have 1 less pick to use on the OL. They need a LT, and they need a RT. They have a high first, and their next pick is in the 4th round. Teams now know that we're going to be desperate to move out of that #4 if Okung isn't there, thus reducing the value we can get.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Brown - I hear you and thought that myself as well, but if that was the case, I don't think we would have given up two picks, do you?


Posted by: quinn3 | April 5, 2010 8:44 AM


I don't...but you never know with this team. I'm willing to give Allen/Shanny the benefit of the doubt here, but it's sure hard when they're mortgaging the future for a 33 year-old QB with an injury history.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

LS, bottom line is we traded multiple draft picks for an aging star player. Pardon my skepticism, and it could always turn out different this time, but we've seen this movie just a few times before, and it never ended well...

Posted by: mattylight | April 5, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

First three whiffs were all on Gibbs/Saunders/Gregg Williams.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 8:51 AM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/10/AR2005081002181.html

This is the article where Vinny is claiming that he's integral in bringing in players.

Joe had final sign-off, but in Vinny's words, him and Joe 'would tell Dan what they wanted to do'.

Stop defending Vinny. You look ridiculous doing so.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Since Allen and Shanny just got here, I'll try to reserve judgement for a while. But our major offseason moves have been signing Willie Parker and Larry Johnson, trading picks for McNabb, signing Philip Buchanon, etc. If we're supposed to be rebuilding why are we signing a bunch of declining vets?

I don't get it...

Posted by: mattylight | April 5, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm just curious: what was our record last year with Orakpo?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 8:56 AM

I'm just curious: Why are you posting on this board if you don't know our record last year?

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Since Allen and Shanny just got here, I'll try to reserve judgement for a while. But our major offseason moves have been signing Willie Parker and Larry Johnson, trading picks for McNabb, signing Philip Buchanon, etc. If we're supposed to be rebuilding why are we signing a bunch of declining vets?

I don't get it...

Posted by: mattylight | April 5, 2010 9:01 AM |

Where would you suggest they get young players from?

You can't go totallly young all in one season.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

It's never good when your first voicemail of the morning is a friend from Philly giving you a Nelson Muntz 'Ha-ha!'.

We had better do a LOT about the offensive line, now. No piecemealing with the castoffs from other teams in free agency, or low-pick gambles in the draft. If we're lucky, we're one bad hit away from Jason Campbell again. If we're not, then we're one bad hit away from Rex Grossman. Given that McNabb is a spring chicken in his autumn years, I'm not betting that Mambo #5 is going to hold up to anything close to what Campbell went through last year.

Rex Grossman ...? I hear Nelson Muntz again.....

Posted by: Anonynonandon | April 5, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

@brownwood, we can speculate all day and agreed, this trade is far from a lock.

McNabb won't have that pass catching back he's used to but he also didn't have any worthy receivers during most of his years in Philly. When he did get TO or DeSean Jackson, the offense was extremely explosive and effective. Not saying the Skins have great receivers either but they are arguably not any worse than those years McNabb didn't have those two.

The Eagles also never had a play or RB who could actually ram it thru for a 2 yard gain on 3rd and 1.

Everyone knows McNabb never was the most accurate passer and will never be but what you notice is that his passes were thrown in areas where only his receivers can make a play on it. Not entirely sure if that's due to the small windows he got used to throwing to his receivers with little separation for so many years. Whatever the case may be, the flipside to him not being very accurate was that he also didn't have the backbreaking, floating interceptions that Campbell other QBs tend to do.

So many different variables from what McNabb had in Philly to DC, we can all choose to speculate based on emphasizing or de-emphasazing some aspect to make one case or another. Only time will tell.

Posted by: TakinAWiz | April 5, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Book it, and it sucks, but:

Washington AT Philly on opening weekend.

Posted by: quinn3 | April 5, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

...Guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffin' glue...

..Johnny, what can you make of this?!

Wow. WTF. It's not like we didn't talk about htis up here [laughingly]. But I guess we're giving up on the line entirely..
....AGAIN...

I don't think ANYONE in the league is looking at this and going "good move".

OH NOOOOO... we suck aGAAAAAIN....

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 5, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

if mcnabb walks does that change how people view this trade??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

If we're supposed to be rebuilding why are we signing a bunch of declining vets?

I don't get it...

Posted by: mattylight | April 5, 2010 9:01 AM

Because who do you think is available to sign this year? Look at who we've gotten rid of and look at who we've signed. Do you think the roster now is better than the one that we had at the end of the season?

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I'm just curious: Why are you posting on this board if you don't know our record last year?

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse
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No, Clarice, answer my question, and I will answer yours.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

You mean like drafting Orakpo? Yeah, Vinny never did anything right.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 8:30 AM

Give the Orakpo stuff a rest. A 4th grader could have made that pick. He was projected to go top 5 and we got lucky he fell to us.

While Orakpo is a better player, Horton was a better DRAFT pick than Orakpo.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm seeing McNabb's picture next to a Redskins logo on ESPN and I still can't believe it....this is gonna REALLY take some getting used to...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

if mcnabb walks does that change how people view this trade??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 9:05 AM

If the 'Skins sign him to an extension does it change how you view the trade?

I still want to know who you see as the lower risk QB for next year? JC? Clausen? McCoy? Bradford?

And who do you see as the low risk OL pick in the second round?

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

The only issue with doing this is its another pick gone. McNabb is better than JC and better than the QBs in this year's draft but I'd rather the pick was used on Gaither from the Ravens. If they stay in the 4th spot its for Okung - I think they'll try and trade down (not easy).

The 'Skins main problem in trading players is that they just about all have more value to the team than they'd get in return. Carter got 11 sacks alongside Haynesworth - you'd be lucky to get a 4th rounder for an aging 4-3 DE who's spike in production is directly linked to Albert.

Landry, Rogers and Campbell are seen as damaged goods that nobody will give better than a 3rd for. Better to let Shanny try and coach them up (maybe not JC now...).

Cooley, to me, has more value to us as TE / FB (cut Sellars?) than we could hope to get from another team. He's a Pro-Bowl talent and still young, I'd want a 1st rounder for him and nobody will offer that.

Who else would anyone trade for? We're in the hole with Albert now - might as well try and get the best out of him. Same with Portis.

I'd like to see Sharper brought in in FA and maybe someone to play ILB. Then we have to draft for the O-Line, we don't have the picks to do anything else.

Still think we can be good next year, maybe even wild-card good. If we can score between 21 and 24 points on average every game (McNabb will help this), our Defense will be off the field a bit more and, with a few more turnovers and short fields, we can win some games. I think we'll win between 8 and 10.

In Shanny we trust! HTTR!

Posted by: stevebeagrie | April 5, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

"Shanahan stresses accuracy and great anticipatory passing. I don’t consider either being McNabb's strengths. Plus, those three running backs aren’t big assets in the passing game and they don’t have any resemblance to Brian Westbrook, whom McNabb has had as a safety valve out of the backfield for the majority of his career. But it should be noted that Shanahan doesn’t require as much from his backs in the passing game as Andy Reid. There will be a learning curve."

A fair statement, but if you look at the qb's who've played for Shanahan in Denver -- principally Elway, Plummer, and Jay Cutler -- none is exactly Troy Aikman when it comes to accuracy, and they're very different in terms of arm strength. But they've all been mobile, and they've all been able to make plays outside the pocket. Those aren't Campbell's strengths. He has glossy running stats, but they come from taking off up the field, not scrambling in the backfield.

If I were GM of a team like Carolina or Minnesota -- strong clubs with uncertain QB situations -- it would be worth something to have Campbell. Maybe not to start right off the bat, but as a safety measure.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 5, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Give the Orakpo stuff a rest. A 4th grader could have made that pick. He was projected to go top 5 and we got lucky he fell to us.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 9:06 AM

A few 4th graders would have picked Oher.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Boy, PFT is a hot-bed of Redskins speculation today...I'll try to keep up:

Donovan McNabb won't be flipped to the Rams
Posted by Mike Florio on April 5, 2010 8:49 AM ET
One of the initial possibilities we considered after hearing that Donovan McNabb had been traded to the Redskins was that the suddenly unpredictable and unconventional D.C. brain trust might package McNabb and the fourth pick in round one for the No. 1 overall selection in the 2010 draft, which then would be used on Sam Bradford.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, that won't be happening.

McNabb will be the quarterback of the Redskins for 2010, and it would be a shock at this point if the Redskins would welcome their quarterback of the present by using the No. 4 pick on the team's quarterback of the future -- especially with so many needs along the offensive line.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

League and Flounder,

I'm not suggesting we can get young all in one season. But we sure as hell also don't have to trade draft picks we can use on younger players for older guys who are on the downside of their careers. We've tried the "win-now" approach a billion times and it's never once worked, and yet it looks like for the time being we're going to give it another shot. All I'm saying is why can't we act like the Colts or Steelers or other successful teams and hoard draft picks, NOT sign / trade for older vets, and build for the long term??

Posted by: mattylight | April 5, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Check this out from PFT...almost as if Greg wrote it:

T.O.-to-Redskins chatter begins
Posted by Mike Florio on April 5, 2010 8:29 AM ET
Four years ago, when the Cowboys were the only team that wanted to give receiver Terrell Owens a contract worth significantly more than the league minimum, the only other team that gave T.O. a sniff was the Broncos.

The Broncos were coached at the time by Mike Shanahan.

Now, with Shanahan in Washington and former Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb there as well, too, the initial reaction/speculation by many is that the Redskins could make a play for Owens.

Sure, McNabb and T.O. had some serious issues in Philly. After Owens decided that he wanted out, he decided to become as disruptive as possible -- and that included targeting McNabb with a patent-pending passive-aggressive quarterback attack. Since then, the two have reconciled, most recently taping a segment for Spike TV's Pros vs. Joes.

And now that McNabb has been exiled to Washington, Donovan surely must be intrigued by the possibility of reuniting with T.O. and sticking it, Brett Favre style, to the Eagles.

For now, it's all speculation only. Whether it becomes anything more than that remains to be seen.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

@InRealAmerica, did you really say "Donovan had some of his greatest success with a healthy pounding running back behind him. That scenario here remains a questionmark."? You don't really mean that huge pounding RB in Westbrook, do you? You must have been watching a different McNabb/Eagles team all these years. All they did was pass, more than any successful team actually.

Posted by: TakinAWiz | April 5, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

if mcnabb walks does that change how people view this trade??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

If they can't get an extension done this year, they can franchise him.

Even though it'll cost them, I think they do that rather than just let him walk.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 5, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

If we take T.O. I think I'll go up to the stadium and pee all over the parking lot.

...or at least I'll want to.

Since when was "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free.." OUR motto...??

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 5, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I still want to know who you see as the lower risk QB for next year? JC? Clausen? McCoy? Bradford?

And who do you see as the low risk OL pick in the second round?


ls, for once, IMPROVE the line, and see if JC can play while not under severe duress. We saw an 8 game stretch where he was good to great, when he had a good offensive line. Why not try and replicate that with the qb you have by IMPROVING the OL??

The whole draft is a risk, but I'd rather take a risk with a younger offensive linemen, than an older qb.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

There is zero chance McNabb will be a one and done player. I am on the fence about the trade until I see how the offensive line looks going into the season. #5 no longer has the wheels or the ability to stand up to a constant pounding. That being said I trust Shanahan will have a stable line by opening day and will be calling plays McNabb does well, Will also be the first time McNabb has ever played in a balanced offense with a running game. Fat Andy Reid always passed.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | April 5, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

@alex35332, irrespective of all those numbers, Rogers and Campbell were in the same boat with offensive line protection issues. The reasons Campbell took more hits was because he has that slow delivery and also held onto the ball too long.

Posted by: TakinAWiz | April 5, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

TO is not coming here McNabb hates TO and Shanny was interested in the TO of 5 years ago not now.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Flozell Adams' must be next

Posted by: World1 | April 5, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

beeps.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 5, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Flozell Adams' must be next


Posted by: World1

My thoughts exactly

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 5, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Wow, this feels like one of those weird dreams you can't shake yourself awake from. Seeing McNabb in a superimposed burgundy on ESPN is something out of Bizzaro Land. I'm skeptical of this draft at first because Snyderatto burned me this way too many times in the past, and we still don't know what exactly we can get if we trade JC17 to Buffalo or Oakland.
In an awkward morning full of uncertainties, there are a few certainties Redskins fans can rely on: (1) It will definitely feel weird to root for a man who burnt us so many times over the past 11 years ; (2) Chunky Soup is delicious and Mrs. McNabb might provide the foundation to get our offense back on track; (3) We need O-Linemen BAD. We have the opportunity to take Okung at #4 or trade back a few spots to say clevelands pick if there is a chance of picking Trent Williams there and picking up a 2nd/3rd round pick; (4) Shanahan is not afraid of pulling the trigger on a risky acquisition, making him the odds-on favorite for gun-slingingest coach in NFC East; (5) Anyone who roots for Duke to win the National Championship tonight over underdog Butler has 97% chance of being an unbearable human being.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 5, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

'm seeing McNabb's picture next to a Redskins logo on ESPN and I still can't believe it....this is gonna REALLY take some getting used to...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 5, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

No kidding... alot of Eagle fans here in Tampa who love McNabb and are now on the "glad he is gone" bandwagon. I think we got the better end of this deal considering we gave up a second and a 3rd or 4th next year. I think we will still aquire picks this year via trade or trading back from the 4th. BTW, McNabb is the same age a Peyton Manning and a 5 time pro bowler who gives us a huge upgrade at QB. Okung!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 5, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Why not try and replicate that with the qb you have by IMPROVING the OL??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 5, 2010 9:20 AM

I think the Shanahans have watched every play that JC has made and have decided that it's not enough to IMPROVE the OL. He is not the QB they want in their system. Personally, I trust the Shanahans on this, but you may not.

I predict they will IMPROVE the OL with the #1 pick and with some other guy they sign or trade for after the draft. I may be wrong. They may think the OL does not need to be IMPROVED.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

HOW CAN WAPO ALLOW JREID TO DO THIS????? wtf...is there any credibility left on this stupid blog????? (again i come here for the comments not the story! but c'mon!!! why not have a CSN tweetfeed on this page and save some money! at least then we'll actually be getting some reporting and news.).

ohh the SUCKIEST part of this trade is that f'ing wilbon will be writing about the skins games now. UGH!!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | April 5, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

This team is not ready to win right now, so this move is questionable. Not only is our line a ? but our receiving corps is a ?. Don't get me wrong, McNabb makes the QB position better instantly, but what about the other areas of need.

Posted by: joeboggs | April 5, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

You know if we were 2 maybe 3 players away from being a super bowl contending team, one of those players being a qb... I would be all for this trade. Mcnabb is clearly an upgrade over JC and is clearly a winner. Thats all hes done in his career is win (maybe not the superbowl but I would be curious as to his overall record including the postseason... I'd bet its close to .600). He is a solid QB who could come in and win a superbowl with a talented team...

Too bad we aren't talented... Looking at our roster, we are not 2-3 players away from even being an 8-8 team. Mcnabb will make our offense better, clearly. That is not a question. However, our offense was so terrible last year, what 16.6 ppg??? that even with him were still, at best, a middle of the pack offense and more realistically a bottom 20 type offense. Our oline is still the worst in the NFL and our hopes of improving it dropped dramatically with the loss of the 37th overall pick.

Our WR's are young, immature and unable to catch (Santana Moss isn't young, but he certainly cannot catch), and our RB's are, well, bad. I simply do not understand the logic behind this trade. It is another herky jerky decision, one that Danny Boy seems to make every year in hopes of finally finding that magical piece to make us a winning team... and yet you'd think that after 11 years of FAILING with this strategy that he would learn... but I guess not.

This trade seems to only slow down our rebuilding process and forces us to re-enter the win-now mode... something we have proven to not be good at. We are 2-3 YEARS away from being a contending team and by that time Mcnabb will be 36 and washed up... I can only hope that we can find his replacement in this, or next years, draft and that he will be ready in 2 years.... however if thats the case, and we do draft young qb to groom, then this trade will turn out to be far more useless than the Jay-Tay trade and will go own as one of the most useless trades in Redskins history.... just my opinion but this was plain retarded and will end up helping the Eagles even more... Frustrating.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

@InRealAmerica, did you really say "Donovan had some of his greatest success with a healthy pounding running back behind him. That scenario here remains a questionmark."? You don't really mean that huge pounding RB in Westbrook, do you? You must have been watching a different McNabb/Eagles team all these years. All they did was pass, more than any successful team actually.

Posted by: TakinAWiz | April 5, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

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What I was watching was the Eagle's all-time rusher who, when healthy, allowed a much more balanced attack (in which he worked as a runner and receiver) that freed up guys like TO a lot more than would otherwise be the case. I'm not saying that the running attack led the success (this certainly wasn't the old NFC East smash-mouth offense) just that DM's success was more prominent with a meaninful running attack. The point was that the running attack for the Skins is something that a reasonable person can question at this point in time.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | April 5, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

@InRealAmerica, did you really say "Donovan had some of his greatest success with a healthy pounding running back behind him. That scenario here remains a questionmark."? You don't really mean that huge pounding RB in Westbrook, do you? You must have been watching a different McNabb/Eagles team all these years. All they did was pass, more than any successful team actually.

Posted by: TakinAWiz | April 5, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

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What I was watching was the Eagle's all-time rusher who, when healthy, allowed a much more balanced attack (in which he worked as a runner and receiver) that freed up guys like TO a lot more than would otherwise be the case. I'm not saying that the running attack led the success (this certainly wasn't the old NFC East smash-mouth offense) just that DM's success was more prominent with a meaninful running attack. The point was that the running attack for the Skins is something that a reasonable person can question at this point in time.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | April 5, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

^^^^^ Way to backtrack there! Skins running game will be fine. If there's any doubt about Shanny, it ain't the running game. Can you say with any conviction the slightly declined threesome of Portis, LJ, and Fast Willie not being better or less talented than Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Reuben Droughns, and Tatum Bell? All of them ran for over 1000 yards under Shanny. Even if the Skins threesome have all lost a full step, they're still quicker and better than both Mike Anderson and Droughns who were more fullbacks than halfbacks. Don't judge everything based off last year's running attack.

Posted by: TakinAWiz | April 5, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Donovan McNabb will never appear in another Super Bowl. He just isn't among the elite QBs in a league that values possession and completions. McNabb is below average when it comes to completion %.

http://www.pacificnorthwestcoastbias.com/donovan-mcnabb-will-never-make-it-back-to-the-super-bowl/

Posted by: flojoflojo | April 6, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

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