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Posted at 8:04 PM ET, 12/23/2010

Donovan McNabb's agent blasts the Shanahans

By Jason Reid

Updated: 8:04 p.m.
In response to Fletcher's comments, Coach Mike Shanahan issued a statement of his own Thursday evening, saying he stands by his decision to bench the veteran quarterback for the team's final three games.

"As I stated earlier, when I traded for Donovan McNabb I had hoped that he would lead us to the playoffs. No one wanted him to be more successful than me," Shanahan said in the statement. "When the team was 5-8 and mathematically out of the playoffs, I made the decision to evaluate our other two quarterbacks. This was not personal, but strictly professional. The decision was made in the best interest of the Washington Redskins and I stand by my decision."

Shanahan did not address specific points and accusations in Smith's statement, nor did he defend Kyle Shanahan.

"I will attempt to talk to Fletcher Smith directly to clear up every one of his misconceptions," Mike Shanahan said in the release.


Donovan McNabb's agent blasted Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan in a formal statement Thursday, contending that the coach had undermined McNabb throughout the season.

"I believe there is tension between Donovan and Kyle that's rooted in the fact that Donovan has suggested modifications to Kyle's offense based on intricacies Donovan has learned in his NFL career," McNabb's agent, Fletcher Smith III, said in the statement to Redskins beat reporters and national NFL writers."For example, Donovan has asked all year that the team run more screen passes to help manage the pass rush more effectively. Ironically, Kyle decided to employ Donovan's suggestions after he unceremoniously benched him on Sunday."

Smith, longtime representative for the demoted Pro Bowl quarterback, said he was issuing the release because some within the Redskins' organization have criticized his client anonymously and because he wanted to "clarify some misinterpretations" of comments McNabb made earlier in the week.

In a text to reporters, Tony Wyllie, the Redskins' senior vice president, responded: "We are working on this."

Contacted in a text message to confirm that the statement accurately reflected his position, Smith responded: "I am fine with it as is."

Kyle Shanahan, according to Smith's statement, has refused to modify the Redskins' offense to maximize McNabb's strengths. Smith suggested that Shanahan has been among the people who have leaked reports "of Donovan not being in shape and not being able to grasp Kyle's offense." He made clear that while Redskins fans have supported McNabb, Washington's coaches - Coach Mike Shanahan and his son Kyle, in particular - have created an uncomfortable working environment for McNabb.

"While Donovan's feelings about Washington remain the same, the Shanahans -both Mike and more specifically Kyle - have made this an extremely difficult relationship to maintain," Smith wrote. "Their comments have been beyond disrespectful and unprecedented for a six-time Pro Bowl quarterback such as Donovan."

Benched late last week in favor of former backup Rex Grossman, McNabb has declined requests to address the situation. His only comments came Tuesday during his weekly radio appearance on ESPN 980.

Grossman received high marks from coaches for his 322-yard, four-touchdown performance in last week's 33-30 loss to Dallas. It was the eight-year veteran' first start since the 2008 season.

After the Cowboys took a 20-point lead in the third quarter, Grossman directed three consecutive touchdown drives (which covered 71, 78 and 56 yards) and capped the final two with two-point conversion passes. The second two-pointer tied the score at 30. The belief among some in the organization is that if Grossman plays well in the final two games, he could begin the 2011 season as the starter--if there is a 2011 season.

During the show, McNabb said he would like to return to Washington. But Smith's statement, the strongest response yet from the quarterback's camp, indicates that the sides probably cannot co-exist beyond the Redskins' Week 17 season finale against the New York Giants at FedEx Field.

McNabb has been extremely uncomfortable at Redskins Park since the benching, amid anonymous criticism of his work ethic and ability to grasp the offense, according to people familiar with the situation. He has tried to remain upbeat and professional for his teammates, but he has been embarrassed by the Shanahans' handling of his demotion, they said.

Since the controversial move, McNabb has taken reps with the scout team. After backing up Grossman in last week's loss to Dallas, McNabb has been dropped to third-string behind John Beck. Barring injuries or unforeseen circumstances, McNabb will serve as the No. 3 quarterback, which essentially makes him inactive, for the final two games.

Immediately after McNabb was benched, Smith blasted the franchise for the move. In Thursday's statement, he provided a detailed account of his anger about the news leaks.

"There have been many reports leaked of Donovan not being in shape and not being able to grasp Kyle's offense," the statement read. "The fact is, Donovan came into camp in the best shape of his career, having dropped 10 pounds in the offseason.

"Donovan spent most of his offseason in Washington working out with the Redskins and never missed a practice. Unfortunately, it appears as though the Redskins coaching staff decided that their 12-year veteran quarterback, who flawlessly executed one of the NFL's most complex offensive systems (in Philadelphia), is unable to grasp Kyle's offense."

According to Smith's statement, Kyle Shanahan, in expressing his dissatisfaction about McNabb after a 17-16 loss to Tampa Bay in Week 14, was quoted as saying: "He'll [McNabb] never take another snap for me again."

"That statement came after Donovan led the Redskins on one of their best drives of the entire season," according to the statement.

The 2010 season has been one of the most frustrating of McNabb's long, accomplished career. And it appears it will be his only season in Washington., Smith indicated.

"Make no mistake, this has been a difficult season for Donovan," Fletcher wrote. "Some may say that he has had a down year ... that is true specifically because of the high standards that he has set as an elite NFL quarterback in his previous 11 seasons.

"Donovan has maintained a high level of professionalism on and off the field. He is determined to continue his relentless commitment to win and looks forward to the opportunity wherever that may be!"

On Nov. 15, McNabb signed a multiyear contract extension, so the Redskins control his rights. The team gave him a $3.5 million signing bonus, which was paid this season, but nothing is guaranteed beyond the 2010 season unless he is released because of an injury. If McNabb suffered an injury that prompted the Redskins to release him, he would be paid $1.75 million, according to someone who recently reviewed his contract.

In salary and bonuses this season, McNabb will be paid $14.7 million. The Redskins hold a $10 million contract option for 2011 that they can exercise until the first game of that season, or they could release McNabb and owe him nothing. If McNabb is on the roster next season - which would be stunning at this point - he would earn about $16.25 million. McNabb probably would have to return the $3.5 million bonus to persuade the Redskins to release him when he prefers.

By Jason Reid  | December 23, 2010; 8:04 PM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb, Kyle Shanahan, Mike Shanahan  
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Comments

I want to believe in the Shanahans, but c'mon... they've completely mismanaged this entire team and organization-- first Haynesworth, now McNabb? Ego-maniacs, if you ask me.

Count me as disappointed.

Posted by: TDawg1 | December 23, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

McNabb needs to get out of this sh**t show organization ASAP. What a train wreck.

Posted by: dbunkr | December 23, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

2 things don't make sense in this article 1) Donovan never flawlessly executed anything and 2) Why would Kyle Shanahan make a statement such as "he will never take another snap for me" AFTER one of the so-called best drives of the season. Anyone with half a brain knows that anyone with half a brain wouldn't do that.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 23, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

LMAO. This idiot wants to believe this crap he is spewing? Talking about being unprofessional, he should do what he preaches and behave like a professional and discuss the problem he imagines with the Skins and not with/and in the press.

Memo to Mr. Nut. You are wrong. The steps are not to hire a QB who will decide on the coach who will decide on a GM who will decide on an owner. You kind of imply that when you state that the coach should accomodate the QB and change his coaching ways for him. This is a team game and no one is above the others, you play the system or you get out of town.

Posted by: hock1 | December 23, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Nabb was not smart enough to pick up Shanny's offense. It was unexpected, but that's the way it is. Great guy, great arm, but apparently a little slow. Hence the benching in Det....no way could he run the two minute if he couldn't run the offense during the game. Apparently Philly simplified the playbook for Nabb for many years. He got by on his scrambling and big arm. Well, he can't scramble anymore and his arm is very innaccurate. He's done and everybody in the NFL knows it now.
Rex is very smart and last week we got a glimpse of what our offense could be. Moss knows this, and said he's excited about Rex being back there. Although Rex is not a long term solution, he'd be a great mentor in Kyle's system for some young buck. And why not look at Beck, although he's 29. I'd rather draft somebody and keep him long term.

Posted by: Riggo2 | December 23, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

McNabb needs to get out of this sh**t show organization ASAP. What a train wreck.

Posted by: dbunkr | December 23, 2010 4:49 PM | Report

Shirt show? Shart show? I tell you what, if it's such a short show organization why don't you get the hell out of it's blogs.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 23, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, way to make us a soap opera of losers for yet another season.

Posted by: DC07 | December 23, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Why should I trust an agent? After all, if his client does not make money, he doesn't either. Thanks to his indifferent play, McNabb won't make the same money on another team that he did here in Washington.

Posted by: GABinOdenton | December 23, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Why should I trust an agent? After all, if his client does not make money, he doesn't either. Thanks to his indifferent play, McNabb won't make the same money on another team that he did here in Washington.

Posted by: GABinOdenton | December 23, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Nice. I'd say this press release puts me solidly in the Shanahan camp whereas before I was on the fence. Way to go McNabb's agent.

Posted by: hoder | December 23, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The Shanahan's need scapegoat's to mask their bungling of the franchis this year. With Albert gone now it's on McNabb. Unreal.

It's not McNabb's fault he's on the tail end of a classy and successful career. Those bright lights paid a lot for him. Now their incompetence is his fault.

Kyle Shanahan's claim to fame is what? He's a spoiled silver spoon brat disrespecting a QB who gave it and took it with the best of them in the tough NFC East.


Posted by: LongDistanceSkin | December 23, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Conspiracy Scenario: Kyle wants Butt Buddy Rex to Start but knows DC won't stand for it at the beginning of season, calls enough bad plays to blow up McNabb and then puts in his Butt Buddy to be a savior, guaranteeing the starting job to his Butt Buddy. I want the movie rights!

Cowher?

Posted by: BFD654 | December 23, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Stop all the complaining. McNabb got treated just like any other QB on a team with poor results. Making the pro bowl in the past has nothing to do with performing poorly this year.

If he is as good as his agent says then the scout team he's running should DESTROY our banged up crappy 3-4 defense that has no Nose tackle.

Posted by: cballer | December 23, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

The Shanahan's need scapegoat's to mask their bungling of the franchis this year. With Albert gone now it's on McNabb. Unreal.

It's not McNabb's fault he's on the tail end of a classy and successful career. Those bright lights paid a lot for him. Now their incompetence is his fault.

Kyle Shanahan's claim to fame is what? He's a spoiled silver spoon brat disrespecting a QB who gave it and took it with the best of them in the tough NFC East.


Posted by: LongDistanceSkin | December 23, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I doubted the wisdom about trading for McNabb, but had already decided to give Shanahan & Allen the benefit of the doubt on their decisions.

McNabb started to win me over with the leadership he showed upon joining the team.

Then as the season progressed, it appeared that McNabb was definitely in the waning stage of his career.

Now it appears that he's a diva who says the right things in public, acting differently behind the scenes, and letting other people do his dirty work. Otherwise, his agent would no longer be his agent, saying the sorts of things he's saying.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 23, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Redskins...1st in Drama, Last in the NFC East. Again.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 23, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

But , which EINSTEIN in the organization wanted to give away draft picks to the F****ING EAGLES for a quarterback they would discard ASAP because he didn't immediately fit the scheme?? The Snyderian mismanagement history continues..

Posted by: frak | December 23, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Let's just make it plain...

It was a mistake to bring McNabb here.

McNabb has not played well...period.

When he's had time, he's missed throws and there have been drops.

He's connected on the deep ball but mostly overthrown.

I praise Shanahan for taking the PR hit and cutting the cord sooner rather than later.

I blame Shanahan for miscalcualting in getting him in the first place and the benching in Detroit.

I think the Shanahan's wanted to move to Rex a long time ago.

As a coach...that's his peroggative.

I think this "disrespect" thing is overrated.

It happens all the time...

Gibbs with Doug Williams
Gibbs with Patrick Ramsey
Casserly with Brad Johnson
Gibbs with Jason Campbell
Zorn with Jason Campbell

Posted by: rickyroge | December 23, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I didn't realize that: that "more screen passes" were all that separated McNabb from a 4-TD performance.

Posted by: jakfish | December 23, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

There is definitely tension between Kyle Shanahan and McNabb. Their body language alone speaks volumes. Whenever someone questions Kyle about McNabb, he gets this look of total disgust and gives a somewhat flippant response. The Skins should just end this by cutting McNabb and finding a young QB that will worship the ground the Shanahans walk on. The McNabb trade was like forcing a square peg in a round hole and a complete disaster!!

Taking shots at each other in the media is petty. The Shanahans and McNabb need to man up and quit acting like little b##ches! I thought this was football, not another episode of “As the Redskins Crumble”! They’re all so pathetic!!

Posted by: Neisha_H | December 23, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Just an agent doing his job. That said, I believe him over Kyle.

However, I'm a redskins fan first, and although i like donovan i wouldn't much have cared about him if he never camehere. Hopefully the weasly shanahans can make my team competitive in the years to come.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 23, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I am starting to believe more and more that McNabb was an Allen/Snyder move.

I swear to goodness, if I saw one more pass in the dirt on 3rd and 6 I was gonna break my 52 inch Sony Wega LCD!!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 23, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

"Donovan McNabb's agent blasts the Shanahans"

This guy really needs to STFU. It's possible that he's a sound board for McNabb but this guy is a buffoon.

McNabb should have fired him for letting him sign that extension.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse


Could someone remind me again why I care what the agent of a benched washout has to say?

Posted by: cray | December 23, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"Otherwise, his agent would no longer be his agent, saying the sorts of things he's saying.

Posted by: freakzilla "

Gates says that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is still in effect, in spite of the new law..He must be getting a testosterone rush blowing up hundreds of new toys on the Korean coast..

BRING ON THE NUKES!! **kicks back can of Bud//waves Beavis metal salute**

Posted by: frak | December 23, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

We remember the other guy who was upset that the coaching staff didn't accommodate his wishes... Haynesworth.

We remember DeAngelo Hall stating that he was going to put himself against the best receiver of every team going forward.

We remember Clinton Portis letting us all know that he played better if he rested all week rather than practicing, and that he knows his body best.

Now here comes McNabb, who - like his old pal/nemesis T.O. and perennial pain in the backside Randy Moss - is upset that the coaching staff did not listen to his suggestions for the offense.

Memo to NFL Players... particularly my darling Redskins: The coaches are paid to coach the team. You are paid far more to shut up and execute the plan to the best of your ability.

After you retire, you will have an opportunity to transition into coaching. Follow the example of Chris Samuels - keep your mouth shut, even if the team is losing. Play to the best of your ability while your body is able to. When your body can't do it anymore, transition into coaching if that's what you are interested in doing.

In the meantime, if you fancy yourself coaching material, pay attention. Learn from your coaches, even if they are younger than you. If you see them doing something wrong, note it down for yourself, so that when you become a coach, you don't repeat the mistake.

What you mustn't do, however, is go crying to the media - through your agent or not - about how terrible your bosses are.

If nothing else, Donovan McNabb has always been a class act - from the time the Philly fans booed him at the draft, through the antics of Terrell Owens, the racist comments of Rush Limbaugh, his trading to Washington, the benching at the Lions game and now the demotion... Donovan McNabb has acted professionally throughout.

He should take a step now to make sure Fletcher Smith doesn't take that legacy away from him as well.

Posted by: KellyInBC | December 23, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

What else would an agent say...this is what he gets paid to say.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 23, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Rush Limbaugh must have been correct.

Posted by: JamesChristian | December 23, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins from owner down have successfully turned me from a fan since George Allen and the over the hill gang to worse than a hater. I just don't care about these guys any more. I haven't decided who to follow. The Steelers have a classy ownership. The Patriots and Indy great QB and coaches. Maybe New Orleans...

Posted by: jlellis | December 23, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

This season has been about destroying reputations from the start. First we bury Devin Thomas for missing a voluntary activity,then Haynesworth day after day. Then we bench and leave inactive a lifetime NFL starter in Derrick Dockery and replace him with an untalented undersized guard Todd Lichensteiger who gets blown off the line play after play by bigger people. Now its the quarterbacks turn to be the fall guy for the Shanahan gang of stupidity. I've seen enough football in my 55 years to recognize a program whose key is to deflect blame not fix problems. Get rid of these fools now.

Posted by: wellscats | December 23, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

McNabb had a lost season for a variety of seasons, part of it is his fault, part of it not, but no one ever questioned his character. He really has kept his mouth shut except for a brief phrase here and there while the Shanahans (most reporters name Kyle) anonymously gossip to the press like teenage girls. Kyle Shanahan appears to be in way, way over his head, and the game and players may have pased Mike Shanahan by. Good Xs and Os guy, but that is about it. An agent defending his client from ill-meaning folks who are trying to lay their own faiures at a friend's feet is completely understandable; if a boss protected himself by referencing a friend as fat, lazy and stupid, we all may react. All the Shanahans have to do to end this is shut up. Release McNabb and let everyone get on with life (until there is another problem they try to blame on someone else, then we will go through this again).

Um, weren't Shanahan and Allen brought in to end the melodramas?

Posted by: haunches | December 23, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I find it highly disrespectful to the grounds crew every time Donovan drills a bullet into the turf, 3 yards short of his receiver. Rex isn't really any better, but he can't throw bad passes as hard as McNabb can.

Posted by: trebor0012 | December 23, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Note to Riggo2; You've got to be kidding me, McNabb played under Andy Reid one of the best play caller's in NFL, what exactly is Kyle Shanahan's claim to fame? just because you're the O.C. doesn't mean that you know what the hell you're doing.This has race written all over it tell me this? how is it that Kory Lichtenstein who didn't play a down in the NFL last year get's to start over Derrick Dockerey who's been a starter in this league since his rookie season.The Shanahan's tried to throw McNabb under the bus after the Detroit debacle but then had to backtrack after suggesting that McNabb wasn't smart enough to run Kyle's so called "scheme". This is complete unadulterated bulls_ht on the Shanahan's part. Dan Synder doesn't have the ball's or the sense to fire Mike Shanahan and the entire coaching staff but that's what he should do and do it now.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 23, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"McNabb probably would have to return the $3.5 million bonus to persuade the Redskins to release him when he prefers."

Based on what, your gut? Come on, this continued unprofessional reporting is getting old. If it's a guy reaction, say so.

I'd say this statement goes a long ways to getting McNabb released with the cash in his pocket.

Posted by: WorstSeat | December 23, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

What is with Shanahans? Who picked McNabb? Let's have some real reporting. And everyone knew what McNabb.'s throwing style was for a decade. This is not a Tebow to try to change over. At least they could be classy and not say to the most loyal part of the fan base that they needed a white QB because the black was too dumb. Surely McNabb has got no dumber even if he has faded phystically, and he did fine with Philly for many years. It is just unbelievable.

Posted by: jhough1 | December 23, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

It's the first year of this particular version of rebuilding. If you haven't the patience to see it through, you should probably do like jlellis and find another team.

Unlike the Post columnists, I agree with the path the Shanahans have taken toward trying to rebuild this franchise.

Haynesworth was an inherited player with great potential upside and downside. They tried to get him to be an upside, he refused, they kicked him out.

McNabb was brought in to be a stabilizing force during transition. He's not being a stabilizing force - the sheep's clothing is starting to wear thin, and we're starting to see what's behind the image - the Shanahans are doing the right thing in recognizing he's not the answer and moving forward.

And the fans? All we're doing is complaining.

This season was never about winning (though that would be nice), it's been about trying to figure out how to fix the team at its core so that we can get the franchise back to where it needs to be. I think we're doing the right things.

Posted by: KellyInBC | December 23, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

While I am sure there is some truth and fiction from each side, I am going to give the 6 time Pro Bowler the benefit of the doubt over the never-had-winning season Offensive Coordinator. I believe both should have compromised but obviously winning wasn't enough to make them find common ground. As a Skins Fan, I know that its easier to change players than coaches so, Kyle, get you $#!+ together and coach up the next one and win some games next season!

Posted by: gbraxton7 | December 23, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Grossman LOST the game! All of you trashing McNabb - tell me what difference does it make. A loss is a loss and there was no way he was going to pull it out. He'll lose next week and the week after when he has to face better teams.

Donovan McNabb is a class act. Big Daddy Shanahan and his son "Scribbles" (Kyle couldn't create an offensive scheme with a turkey baster and a petrie dish!) are liars and don't deserve to be where they are. Looking forward to seeing McNabb in the playoffs for another team and this motley duo back out west.

Posted by: Misty630 | December 23, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Kyle Shanahan's claim to fame is what? He's a spoiled silver spoon brat disrespecting a QB who gave it and took it with the best of them in the tough NFC East.

Posted by: LongDistanceSkin | December 23, 2010 5:04 PM |

I'll gladly take the opinion of some nobody blogger on the character of a coach he's never met.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 23, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins from owner down have successfully turned me from a fan since George Allen and the over the hill gang to worse than a hater. I just don't care about these guys any more. I haven't decided who to follow. The Steelers have a classy ownership. The Patriots and Indy great QB and coaches. Maybe New Orleans...

Posted by: jlellis | December 23, 2010 5:26 PM |

Really so winning SB's made you a hater since all the SB's were won after the over the hill gang.

I tell you what I will help your dumb a$$ out go like the f-cking Cowgirls they love fair weather fans who have never actually been to Texas.

Get off this blog!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

KellyinBC....I second your commentary...

jlellis and wellscat...it's ok to leave the fold....I have your names in my roll book when it's time to come back.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 23, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins from owner down have successfully turned me from a fan since George Allen and the over the hill gang to worse than a hater. I just don't care about these guys any more. I haven't decided who to follow. The Steelers have a classy ownership. The Patriots and Indy great QB and coaches. Maybe New Orleans...

Posted by: jlellis | December 23, 2010 5:26 PM |

Good riddance Mr. Bandwagon...good riddance.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 23, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Donovan McNabb is a class act. Big Daddy Shanahan and his son "Scribbles" (Kyle couldn't create an offensive scheme with a turkey baster and a petrie dish!) are liars and don't deserve to be where they are. Looking forward to seeing McNabb in the playoffs for another team and this motley duo back out west.

Posted by: Misty630 | December 23, 2010 5:36 PM |

Really dumb a$$ he had the number 1 offense in the NFL last year.

Yes lets pitty poor DM5 give me a f-cking break.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

It's time to dump the Shannys. And while we're at it, dump Haslett and take a look at the GM. Who in their right mind would bring in a father and son as head coach and OC? You don't take package deals in NFL Coaching (Duh!). If you have a problem with one, you have to get rid of both! These two are screwing up the Redskins. The very idea of starting Grossman over McNabb shows their incompetence. When will Snyder get a clue and start hiring staff that has a clue? The Shannys are definitely NOT IT.

Posted by: alaskaredskin | December 23, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I would love to know some facts since it seems like every poster on this thread has based their conjecture on conjecture.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 23, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line is that the Skins never should have traded for McNabb. They simply got burned and are trying to place the blame on McNabb. Can someone tell me how the McNabb trade caused the poor offensive and defensive line play or the shotty kicking game? Just cut your losses (and you've lost a lot) and move on. There is and will continue to be plenty of blame to go around. This "organization" has been a joke for years and no one, not even the mighty Shanahans, can reverse years of ineptness. If the Shanahans had any sense they'd bail as soon as possible. WHAT A DISASTER!!!

Posted by: Neisha_H | December 23, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

You know how sick I am of "class acts"???? I like McNabb, but gimme a fuggin' BREAK!

I want winners...

Here's a list of "class acts" (insert sarcasm)

John Riggins
Gary Clark
Dexter Manley
George Starke
Lawrence Taylor (the player)
Jack Lambert
Joe Greene
Wilbur Marshall
Mike Singletary

...not exactly choir boys...BUT how many Super Bowl rings out of this bunch???

EF "Class Act"

Posted by: rickyroge | December 23, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Lets look at the facts and see who looks more like they are lying.

Shanny traded for Mcnabb

According to DM5's agent Kyle has had it out for him all year.

DM5 and agent after the benching in Detroit sign an extension to stay with the Skins. Instead of giving DM5 the chance to become a FA.

Why would an agent and a player who feel disrepected sign an extension to stay with that team instead of becoming a FA. Could it be that they know there client is slipping and wouldn't get a better offer in FA's.

Shanny has plenty of blame for the trade but nobody with the ego some of you say Shanny has would bring in a QB and then let a coach on that team make the player and the coach look bad. I don't give a sh-t if it's his son or not.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

And to think we coulda had MV for a song! We need some forward-thinking new blood when it comes to selecting staff and team, and the Shannys gots to go.

Posted by: alaskaredskin | December 23, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

No doubt the Shanahans could have treated Donovan with more respect. They could have alerted Donovan to his benching sooner, rather than waiting until Thursday. They could have refrained from anonymously leaking insults to the media, particularly the attacks questioning Donovan's intelligence.

Nevertheless, it is not working out for Donovan. He played poorly. He did not get the job done. Quite frankly, he didn't give it his all.

This issue had been talked to death last week. There was no point in bringing it up again today. The latest comments tarnishes Donovan's classy reputation. Donovan should go quietly and be the classy guy he purports himself to be.

Posted by: niceshoes1 | December 23, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

It's time to dump the Shannys. And while we're at it, dump Haslett and take a look at the GM. Who in their right mind would bring in a father and son as head coach and OC? You don't take package deals in NFL Coaching (Duh!). If you have a problem with one, you have to get rid of both! These two are screwing up the Redskins. The very idea of starting Grossman over McNabb shows their incompetence. When will Snyder get a clue and start hiring staff that has a clue? The Shannys are definitely NOT IT.

Posted by: alaskaredskin | December 23, 2010 5:43 PM |

Great Snyder jr lets fire another coach after his first year with the clout of Shanny, I'm sure that the other coaches in the league would be waiting in line to come here.

I love you idiots that say Snyder is a terrible owner but then want him to do what you hate him for.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

And to think we coulda had MV for a song! We need some forward-thinking new blood when it comes to selecting staff and team, and the Shannys gots to go.

Posted by: alaskaredskin | December 23, 2010 5:50 PM |

Any more retards like you and we'll never have any consistency at all. Yep, let's just keep firin' 'em until one wins a Superbowl in their first season.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 23, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

alaskaredksin...

you must be smokin' some of that Alaskan Inuit ganja...

FIRE THE SHANAHAN'S????


...then what? Ritchie Petibon, Terry Robiske

Posted by: rickyroge | December 23, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I have gone from watching the Redskins games at the stadium or on television when they played to recording the games to watch later in the day, to now totally ignoring whether they play and only reading the news about all of the dysfunction. Soon I will stop even caring to read about this team. Thanks Dan, Mike, and Kyle for ridding this team of any pleasure it used to bring to me.

Posted by: moralcompass1 | December 23, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I've been wrong before. You mutts keep on the Shanny bandwagon then. Let's see, how many years will we waste before we show them the door? Admit the mistake now and send em packing. My ire is for all the wasted time. If the Shannys are retained and they somehow pull off a miracle, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong - but don't hold yer breath cuz it ain't going to happen!

Posted by: alaskaredskin | December 23, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

...wish I had a link but Steve Young (a Shanahan disciple) cautioned McNabb to be careful. He said Shanahan is a well respected offensive mind in the NFL and McNabb could end up a career backup if he's not careful.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 23, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I love McNabb and I think he's handled this situation with the utmost professionalism. I do believe that the Shanahans obviously could have handled the situation better but the fact of the matter is Donovan isn't the right QB for this system. Even taking into the account the lack of weapons and banged up O-line, Donovan is obviously having trouble grasping Kyle's offense. Case in point- Grossman comes in and without any reps looks better than Donovan ever did this season. And all the same idiot skins fans keep pointing out that Grossman lost the game to the Cowboys. Well, by that logic Donovan has lost 8.

Posted by: atmousavi | December 23, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

But alaskaredskin...where's your patience? No one is saying Shanahan hasn't made mistakes, but let's learn from the past....

We fired Marty after one season (he "disrespected Darrell Green")

Who's your next coach?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 23, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 - assinine, immature comments are the last refuge of the stupid and ignorant. Congratulations! You've reached a new low.

Posted by: Misty630 | December 23, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I repeat, who in their right mind installs a father as head coach and his son as OC? Think about it. It just doesn't work - and should never have been done. WAY too much drama from these Shannys - and while I wouldn't have brought DM in either, at least DMac knows how to act like a pro. Grossman is NOT the future of the Redskins - stop wasting our time. DMac is 5 times the player that Grossman is.

Posted by: alaskaredskin | December 23, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I've been wrong before. You mutts keep on the Shanny bandwagon then. Let's see, how many years will we waste before we show them the door? Admit the mistake now and send em packing. My ire is for all the wasted time. If the Shannys are retained and they somehow pull off a miracle, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong - but don't hold yer breath cuz it ain't going to happen!

Posted by: alaskaredskin | December 23, 2010 5:59 PM

Not surprised you don't get it. Not a lot of people on any Shanny bandwagon. We're on the "Let's stop canning coaches every couple years" bandwagon. You ain't too bright are ya son?

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 23, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

This team's MO under the Snyder regime has been to anonymously dish dirt on players they no longer want. The blind loyal fans unite to say said players are bums. Meanwhile, team remains in mediocrity while chasing new big names.

Posted by: noluvdr | December 23, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I am 30 year Redskins fan and I don't know if people understand the magnitude to which this team was talent deficient and dysfunctional.

Wonder why the Bucs and Chiefs can go from worst to first...they had SOME talent and some holes...we had O line holes but chose to fill it with 3 receivers and 1 o-lineman.

Think of how farther along we could hvae been with two of those picks being o-lineman. Mario Manningham and De'Sean Jackson went AFTER Devin Thomas...

These are franchise CRUSHING decisions and then when you have a first year coach come in, EVERYTHING is his fault...when it really isn't.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 23, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 - assinine, immature comments are the last refuge of the stupid and ignorant. Congratulations! You've reached a new low.

Posted by: Misty630 | December 23, 2010 6:09 PM


Donovan McNabb is a class act. Big Daddy Shanahan and his son "Scribbles" (Kyle couldn't create an offensive scheme with a turkey baster and a petrie dish!) are liars and don't deserve to be where they are. Looking forward to seeing McNabb in the playoffs for another team and this motley duo back out west.

Posted by: Misty630 | December 23, 2010 5:36 PM

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Way to prove your own point. UnSJKing believable.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 23, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

As a lifelong Redskin fan, this is the most embarrasing thing i have ever witness. Classless if a word, can't describe this situation. It will be along time before this goes away. Shanahan has clearly lost it as a coach. Amazing it will be to see Snyder and Bruce Allen keep this kind of guy around. Grossman or McNabb it's amazing their is such a conversation as to who would be the best fit.

Posted by: dmayfiel | December 23, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 - assinine, immature comments are the last refuge of the stupid and ignorant. Congratulations! You've reached a new low.

Posted by: Misty630 | December 23, 2010 6:09 PM

You betcha sugar tits.

I'm more offended by the notion that you'd like to replicate the last 10+ YRs. I thought flounder was actually kind of nice assessing alaskaredskin's comments.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

alaskaredksin...

you must be smokin' some of that Alaskan Inuit ganja...

FIRE THE SHANAHAN'S????


...then what? Ritchie Petibon, Terry Robiske

Posted by: rickyroge | December 23, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Cowher, and he has daughters!

Posted by: BFD654 | December 23, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Beep beep

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 23, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

For all of you who are under the impression that if Donovan had just gotten Kyle Shanahan's offensive scheme the Redskins would be good this year, understand that the Redskins suck in every aspect of the game. That can't all be Donovan's fault. Last I checked that was the coaches fault.

Also realize this, now that Kyle is gone the Texans' offense is better in just about every category. So next year when Donovan is gone and the Redskins still suck, who ya' gonna blame then?

Posted by: Armymule | December 23, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I repeat: Having a father head coach and a son as OC actually IS pure stupidity. Your insults aside (can't we all just get along?) I don't see the Shannys as the ones to take us to the promised land - however, if I am proven wrong, I'll be the first to admit it. You guys are a little severe with the name calling - what are you - Rush Limpbaugh fans?

Posted by: alaskaredskin | December 23, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Misty 630...

do you have a count of how many balls were thrown in the dirt...underthrown deep balls. I was FOR the McNabb trade, but he didn't get the job done. You're right, he may go somewhere and do well...it's ok, but don't make him a martyr!

morallcompass...you can move on too...but don't come back jackazz...where's your Ravens jersey!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 23, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

McNabb's deficiencies are well documented in Philly. He cost them the Superbowl because he couldn't and obviously still can't run then 2 minute offense. Just ask T.O. McNabb's glory days are over. Andy Reid knew it which is why he wasn't the least bit worried about suckering a divisional rival into taking him for some pics. Shanahan will get this team straight in time given the chance. McNabb was a mistake. Oh well. Dump him and move on.

Posted by: CadillacJack | December 23, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

There seems to be a pattern with Mcnabb.It is always everyone else who is wrong or misunderstands him. Thank God the Eagles did what they did and have moved on to bigger and better things, i.e. that unbelievable win over the NY Giants and first place while transitioning to Vick/Kolb. Sorry DC you wanted him and now you know why the Eagles did what they did.

Posted by: phillies2008 | December 23, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

There seems to be a pattern with Mcnabb.It is always everyone else who is wrong or misunderstands him. Thank God the Eagles did what they did and have moved on to bigger and better things, i.e. that unbelievable win over the NY Giants and first place while transitioning to Vick/Kolb. Sorry DC you wanted him and now you know why the Eagles did what they did.

Posted by: phillies2008 | December 23, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Let's be clear........we fired Marty because he didn't want a GM (maybe it was Cerrato, in which case I don't blame him), because Snyder wanted Moss and Schott wanted Gardner with the 15th pick....
Shanahan has been a disaster. He hired a coach to run the 3-4 without the personnel (I know, I know....the 3-4 was supposed to bring turnovers, but I know some teams who have gotten turnovers with a 4-3), he mishandleed Haynesworth (although Haynesworth also mishandled Haynesworth), then the Detroit fiasco, then this.
If Donovan truly wasn't the right fit for the offense, then they should never have traded for him, and should have replaced him earlier. But good coaches fit the systems to match their players!!!! Either way, the Shanahans are culpable.

Next year, of course, will be a rebuilding year to get the players they want to run their system, but do you trust them to do that? If so, explain to me why.

Posted by: joedavis7 | December 23, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21: tell you what I will help your dumb a$$ out go like the f-cking Cowgirls they love fair weather fans who have never actually been to Texas.

Get off this blog!!!!!!!!

Flounder, you are a nasty piece of work. Get a life!

Posted by: lacy41 | December 23, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep means new post. Move over to the next post.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Good bye, McNabb, and good riddance.

The more of this I see, the more I like the Shanny's position. McNabb wasn't ready to work and adapt.

Yesterday's big thing was; "who do you believe." I don't believe McNabb. He has his mouthpiece out there spewing for him.

What a mistake it was to bring this loser to town!

Posted by: PS7900 | December 23, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Good bye, McNabb, and good riddance.

The more of this I see, the more I like the Shanny's position. McNabb wasn't ready to work and adapt.

Yesterday's big thing was; "who do you believe." I don't believe McNabb. He has his mouthpiece out there spewing for him.

What a mistake it was to bring this loser to town!

Posted by: PS7900 | December 23, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

This guy is McNabb's mouthpiece. Good bye and good riddance.

Posted by: PS7900 | December 23, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Everyone seems to be lining up with one side or the other, but maybe it's in between somewhere. Maybe the Shanahans grossly miscalcuated what kind of quarterback McNabb is, and possibly McNabb was unwilling or unable, at this point in his career, to give up the style play he's had some success with. So there may be fault on both sides.

Maybe Daddy Shan thought he was giving a big gift to little Shan, one that would leapfrog Kyle's career ahead and allow him to get the cred he needed to become head coach-in-waiting. Maybe Kyle didn't ask for and didn't want an established star who was less likely to listen to him than most (would Favre have gone along with young Kyle's ideas? would any other established star?). Mike Wise had a good column on this.

Finally, I do think it's a problem that Kyle was brought in after ONE year as an OC. We already saw the trouble that skipping a stage can cause. One year isn't enough to prove yourself. In a way, bringing Kyle in as head coach of the future is the one thing Shanahan's done that doesn't fit with his "you gotta earn it" approach. Kyle hasn't earned the head coach in waiting designation. It IS nepotism--probably well-intentioned by a dad that really believes in his kid, but not a good idea, and unless things go really well (hence all the hysteria over McNabb not executing: he's hurting Kyle's future!), it could really backfire.

Shanahan could still be "the guy," but why did Snyder let him bring Kyle along? Gotta stop with all the baby coaches to be--we've seen this with Schottenheimer, Gibbs, and now this.

Posted by: preacherskid | December 23, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Crappy line and he wants a few more screen passes? Makes sense to me. I'd want the same thing.

Look at what we have here:

McNabb - 6 time ProBowler...been the QB of the team with the most dominant recent performance in the NFC East. In a complex system for 12 years. Stand up classy guy on and off the field.

Mike S - hard nosed coach who has won a SB about 15 years ago...not much since. Disciplinarian and usually has personnell problems of the kind where he points the finger at someone and runs them out of town.

Kyle S - Son of Mike S. Never won anything. Total newbie and feels his system should not be changed for anyone because his system is perfect as it is.

Wait until Sunday. If th Redskins win, the Shanahans look like Donovan was the problem. If the offense is inept and we lose...Donovan comes out clean.

Wait until Sunday.

I've been a Skins fan for over 30 years and I'm hoping for my team to lose. This is the wrong direction and the wrong guy leading it. Prove me right Rex!!!!

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | December 23, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Fire the Shanahans??? That's what some of you idiots want? Coach Shanahan is exactly what this franchise needed, someone to instill a little discipline and a no nonsense type of guy. We got a small glimpse of what Kyle's offense can do if executed the right way last Sunday, and wasn't Houston a league leader in offense under Kyle Shanahan? McNabb just looked like slow motion out there, and if he wanted to run a screen just call an audible now and then. Just very very tired of all the "disrespect" talk. Do your job at a high level and no one will disrespect you. and this sports agent just needs to shut up and count his 10 percent.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 23, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

We have a .385 winning (losing) percentage. We have scored just 238 points. That is 83 points less than the next closest losing team in our division. Thirty (30) of our 238 points came with Rex Grossman at the helm for one game. How can anyone say that Donovan was unfairly handled through this mess? I like Donovan; have always respected him, but the object of the game is to win. I will reiterate .385 winning percentage. That's not winning.

Give credit to Shanahan that he is not sticking with the status quo. He's looking for gamers. Yes he botched bringing Donovan in in the first place, but not many people were too upset when the announcement came that we traded for McNabb.

Also, since when did we not throw screens? I've seen lots of screens. Problem was that most of the screens were unsuccesful because Donovan would throw the ball at the receivers feet.

Good luck Donovan. I wish you the best. You will be no better in Arizona - maybe better in Minnesota because they like to throw deep, but even that may change with a new coach.

Posted by: motiongrfx | December 23, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

It took the genius Shanny 11 years of film on McNabb and 13 games in DC to figure out he's not the guy...???

Posted by: i155133 | December 23, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

RICKYROGE----------I believe you may have found the truth. McNabb was a Snyder/Allen choice. Not Shanahan.

Posted by: sportsfan2 | December 23, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Did the agent talk to the client before shooting his mouth off? Cuz they're each saying different things.

Hard to imagine DM5 sticking around in any capacity at this point, but my bet is that Danny boy will want some of that $3.5 mil back if DM5 wants to get his release before the start of next season.

What a wasted season. Can this franchise ever get away from the drama?

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | December 23, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

No one who manages an organization like this will win anything. No player worth a dime will want to work for that backstabber. If Snyder knew how to hire a football coach this wouldn't be happening. McNabb isn't responsible for all the problems on this team. Funny how one loss is McNabb's and the very next loss is everybody's fault but Grossman's.

Posted by: Misty630 | December 23, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I think Shanahan is right on. I love how he's handling his players. If you're not doing it his way you got to go. McNabb's deficiencies are well documented in Philly. He cost them the Super Bowl because he couldn't and obviously still can't run the 2 minute offense. Just ask T.O.. Andy Reid backed the garbage truck up to Fedex and unloaded. Hauling 2 pics back to Philly with him all the while knowing the Skins had just got punked. He wasn't worried about trading McNabb to a division rival because he knew McNabb was done. Shanahan realized the mistake in taking McNabb and is now cutting his losses and moving on. That's better than hanging on to a washed up QB. It may take a couple years but Shanahan will eventually get his players in Washington and right the ship.

Posted by: CadillacJack | December 23, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Misty630

at 5 - 8 it's not about who won or lost a game - McNabb v. Grossman. It's about showing positive signs of life. 30 points is a positive sign that Donovan could not show.

Posted by: motiongrfx | December 23, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Grossman hadn't played a down in over two years..... Starts a game on the road in a tough place... Skins have season high point total. Hmmmmmmmmm...... Something tells me that the Shannahan boys have it right and that McNabb is a Diva in sheep's clothing. This agent has an agenda to save his client's busted image so he's going to throw everyone under the bus - funny that every time he opens his fat yap that he's making his client look more foolish. Get McNabb out of town on the next bus and don't look back! I'm behind the Redskins 100%! Hail!

Posted by: Capitalist-1 | December 23, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how you trust a coach you JUST hired a year ago, who hasn't won anything in 13 years, over a QB, who been playing football in the league's toughest division for the past 12 years. I think playing against the giants, skins and cowboys, would give you the heads up how to play in the divison,not the coach's 30 year old son, who was an assistant on the almighty texans and his hand picked QB, gross man who could lead the running team bears correctly enough to win the super bowl. Since, you have that much faith in old wise men who haven't won in over a decade, hire Brett Favre as QB next year.

Posted by: DeronForever | December 23, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how you trust a coach you JUST hired a year ago, who hasn't won anything in 13 years, over a QB, who been playing football in the league's toughest division for the past 12 years. I think playing against the giants, skins and cowboys, would give you the heads up how to play in the divison,not the coach's 30 year old son, who was an assistant on the almighty texans and his hand picked QB, gross man who could lead the running team bears correctly enough to win the super bowl. Since, you have that much faith in old wise men who haven't won in over a decade, hire Brett Favre as QB next year.

Posted by: DeronForever | December 23, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of having divas on my football team!! Get McNabb OUT of here!! You go Mike Shannahan!! Nail them ALL!!!! Haynesworth! McNabb! Portis!!! I want the ALL gone!!! Give me the young, hungry, blood and guts warrior all damn day... Sick of prima donnas. Here's one fan and a family who have Shannahan's back...... Do what you gotta do coach. Clean out this craphouse!

Posted by: Capitalist-1 | December 23, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

The Skins organization has been a debacle for many years now...If anyone has watched the games, they would see that McNabb has made some bad throws, but he has also made some pretty damn good ones too...It's not his fault that he doesn't have a line that can't give him sufficient time, or a group of recievers that drop just about everything, and not to mention a running game that has been missing for quite some time now

Kyle Shanahan sucks, that crap that worked in Houston will not work in the NFC East..He's an idiot and so is his father..So what Rex put up big numbers against the Cowboys, who hasn't this year??? lol

Posted by: babycas2000 | December 23, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth, gone.

McNabb, gone.

So, who do the Shanahans pick on next year?

As Mr. Tony says, they're the gift that just keeps on giving. I'm sure Cousin Eddie would agree.

Posted by: tslats | December 23, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I've been a loyal Redskin for 30 years, since I lived in DC from 80-85. Under Snyder, everything the Skins touch has seemed to crumble. I say my prayers all the time: "Please God, let my Skins be great again" btw Lord, how long am I gonna have to wait? I really don't think Shanny & son are the ones to take us there, but if they pull it off, I'll be the first to hike em on my shoulders.

Posted by: alaskaredskin | December 23, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

The coach is in charge. It's natural for some players to be discouraged and unhappy when the coach doesn't want them to play... for whatever reason. Personally, I hate when players complain publicly about that disappointment. So much for McNabb's taking the high road.

Posted by: OintheSierras | December 23, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

The words of Donovan's agent have the ring of truth: Mike is setting up McNabb to be the fall guy to cover up the failings of son Kyle's offensive offense.

The Shanahans' disingenuousness in all is causing many to see the earlier Albert Haynesworth controversy in a different light. Could it be Albert was the victim and that he deserves, gulp, an apology?
_________

BTW, why no Post article on the breaking story covered throughout the Internet (as well as by ESPN's PTI show) about NY Jets coach Rex Ryan going down to, er, "de-FEET"? :) The Post and lamestream media bleated about Tiger Woods's foibles for 11 months but haven't said a word yet about Rex's "foot ailments." Double standard here?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | December 23, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

If Grossman performs in the last two games like he has in most of his pre-Skids career, Exploding Face's son will be even more reviled and cursed than he is now.

Posted by: clitteigh | December 23, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse


I would bet that more fans hate the Shanahans than hated Zorn. Where is Allen in all this? He is MIA because he is only Snyder's figurehead.


Posted by: mortified469 | December 23, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

As for the criticism of Shanahan about signing McNabb, he was a good gamble considering who was out there. You would think McNabb could have made the adjustment. They knew in training camp he wasn't making that adjustment, but it took most of a season to be sure that he was unlikely to ever make the adjustment.

Posted by: OintheSierras | December 23, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

"I'm Donovan McNabb and I approve my agent's comments"

Posted by: randysbailin | December 23, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Fletcher Smith is an agent, just like Ari Gold, but not as funny.

Posted by: maus92 | December 23, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey McNabb, get the hell out of this of this dysfunctional organization which is not respected by vast majority of the players in this league. They will destroy you and everyone in their path to one losing season after another. The fans that pay money to the freak owner and attend the games are absolutely clueless and on drugs like the people who received no doc loans to buy a million dollar home that they could not afford. Hey midget, sell the team!!

Posted by: mofares | December 23, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Don't dog the agent. He's just doing his job. Agents are hired to represent their clients. That representation includes getting dirty on occasion. Donovan's playing this just right. He's taking the high road while his agent's busting chops.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 23, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what McNabb did in the past? He and his agent will have time to lament on his accomplishments during his retirement. The bottom line is that he did not produce for us a as QB. Congrats to Shanahan for have the kahuna's for making a tough call. It obviously was a mistake in trading for him, but we're all human.

Posted by: gwelsh | December 23, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

This organization is a mess. I respected both Shanahans before this season befor finding out they are both liers and cowards. If your not going to start a guy just friken tell him dont play games and lie to everyone around. This leak came out on Monday morning after the game and when the press asked Shannahan he said he didnt want to tell who was the starter than all of a sudden you deside to name Grossman. I mean come on. Both the Shanahans have no balls or backbone. As fans we are tired of being lied to year after year. Thank God a classy organization moved up 95 called the Ravens. When the Ravens steal more market share both these Shanahans will be unemployed. Redskins will never win without classy Coaches. The redskins are deadskins, a joke of a franchise. No coaches want to work for them and with their handleing and games concerning FA I dont expect anyone to want to sign here as well. All you Haynesworth haters, mabe he was right about those Shanahans.

Posted by: psardis | December 23, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

EVERYONE THOUGHT ANDY REID HAD LOST IT AS A COACH TOO, UNTIL HE GOT RID OF "LOW THROW McBLOW."

I HATE 'SKINS FANS, BUT THERE IS ONE THING I WILL ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE YOU: "LOW THROW McBLOW" IS THE PROBLEM!!!!!!

EVERYONE THOUGHT ANDY REID HAD LOST IT AS A COACH TOO, UNTIL HE GOT RID OF "LOW THROW McBLOW."

I HATE 'SKINS FANS, BUT THERE IS ONE THING I WILL ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE YOU: "LOW THROW McBLOW" IS THE PROBLEM!!!!!!

EVERYONE THOUGHT ANDY REID HAD LOST IT AS A COACH TOO, UNTIL HE GOT RID OF "LOW THROW McBLOW."

I HATE 'SKINS FANS, BUT THERE IS ONE THING I WILL ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE YOU: "LOW THROW McBLOW" IS THE PROBLEM!!!!!!

EVERYONE THOUGHT ANDY REID HAD LOST IT AS A COACH TOO, UNTIL HE GOT RID OF "LOW THROW McBLOW."

I HATE 'SKINS FANS, BUT THERE IS ONE THING I WILL ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE YOU: "LOW THROW McBLOW" IS THE PROBLEM!!!!!!

EVERYONE THOUGHT ANDY REID HAD LOST IT AS A COACH TOO, UNTIL HE GOT RID OF "LOW THROW McBLOW."

I HATE 'SKINS FANS, BUT THERE IS ONE THING I WILL ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE YOU: "LOW THROW McBLOW" IS THE PROBLEM!!!!!!

Posted by: LowThrowMcBlow | December 23, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

What is going on with this blog...ugh

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 23, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Release McNabb after the season and it will all blow away. He's a terrible quarterback that doesn't have the smarts to learn a new system.

Posted by: thorhero | December 23, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

When McNabb was traded by the Eagles every sportscaster in the country was asking why? Why would Andy Reid trade his pro bowl QB to a divsion rival his team has to face twice a season? Now it's plain to see why. McNabb doesn't have it anymore. Reid got tired of being handicapped in his offense by having McNabb at QB. DeSean Jackson couldn't wait for McNabb to get out. McNabb's game is Choke, Puke and Lose. Shanahan has 2 Super Bowl wins behind his name. Houston was lighting it up when Kyle was there. Not so much with him gone. I like how Shanahan is kicking Ass and taking names. Just like Belichick in New Englnad Shanahan is going to get players who will do it his way.

Posted by: CadillacJack | December 23, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

who the F is Kyle Shanahan anyway? Coaches son that would probably would be coaching Pop Warner if his last name wasn't Shanahan. He is only qualified to hold a clip board. He's a 30 yera old punk kid who at one time would do anything to hold McNabbs Jock. I by know means like McNabb but I really hate liers and cowards.

Posted by: psardis | December 23, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

It's a simple business plan. How many points per million bucks did Mr. McNabb produce?
How many points per million bucks did Mr. Haynesworth prevent?
You cannot hide the numbers.
This is, after all, business; and everyone in the business knows that.
Feelings belong in the john.

Posted by: tripferguson1 | December 23, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Now McNabbs agent would have us believe his client can formulate an offensive system better than Mike Shanahan. Really!!!?? Really!!?? I'll be back in ten minutes when I pick myself up off the floor laughin!!!

This IS why Reid sent him packing!! He liked McNabb as most do, but he just knew he couldn't win running the Short Bus offense anymore. Look at how well a punch line like Grossman did with this mediocre offense after a 2yr layoff!! Bottom line is McNabb is washed up his athleticism no longer can hide his other faults.

Posted by: skins91r | December 23, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

psardis...

take your azz up I95 and put on the purple and black and root for the Ravens...you can also have Baltimore's highest Ghonnorhea rate in the nation!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 23, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Where is Cerrato when you need him??? :)

Posted by: fearturtle44 | December 23, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. Can you believe this team and the drama that the media always unfolds? How do they get such indsider information

Posted by: MimiAnsari | December 23, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is a crummy coach and McNabb is a crummy player.

Both always were crummy and always will be crummy.

Posted by: bandmom22 | December 23, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

As Shanny said -he brought DM in to get to the playoffs.Yes Dm was having a so so year.I do agree on the evaluation of other
players but do it with class.

AND with the excellent defensive play of the Skins all year i can see why Don failed to help win more games and it is all his fault.

Posted by: GEARAUTO1 | December 23, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Same ol' sh*t, different coaching staff: NOBODY is on the same page when we GAVE away picks to the Eagles and we got McNabb , who has pro Bowl athletic ability but was not afforded decent pass protection by Kyle's oblong schematic...McNabb should be afforded patience and respect, and if this is a move to solidify a top draft pick (or keep Donovan from getting killed), so be it , but give the man respect (you guys are getting ready for the new CBA, right, treating players like dirt?)..Be smooth like Derrick Rose the Human, moving through space and time , get it right, man..

Posted by: frak | December 23, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

McNabb couldn't hit Cooley in the flat for a TD. What's that a 10 yd pass? He deserved to be benched. Grossman has played better. He deserves to start. When McNabb learns the play book and can complete a 10 yd pass, maybe he'll get another shot. It has nothing to do with being "classy" or handling the situation correctly. The Redskins are certainly not good enough to play players that can't perform, including and most importantly the quarterback position.

Posted by: DaveButz65 | December 23, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

The agent is a pathetic joke. McNabb couldn't throw a screen pass if his life depended on it. He would either bounce the ball or drill the receiver instead of leading him. let's be straight. McNabb has played very poorly and needed to be replaced.The Shanahans should have done it sooner.He will not be back nor should he.

Posted by: cbushea55 | December 23, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I believe that Shanahan and Allen have completely screwed the pooch this past year. The team is going to be in worse shape than last year.

That being said I am sick of the McNabb is being disrespected. Maybe McNabb's success in Philly had more to do with Reid than McNabb. Vick who was never an accomplished passer is now in the top 5 in QB rating after only 1 year in Reid's system. Maybe McNabb is just an average QB that lucked into a great situation in Philly.

Just because you had good years in the past does not mean you are entitled to anything with your new team. Respect is earned and he has done nothing in DC to earn any.

While I disagree with most of Shanny's move and said that the McNabb trade would be a disaster he is the coach and gets a few more years to turn this steam pile of cr@p around.

Posted by: srobert1117 | December 23, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Two points to make:
1. The Redskins knew what they were getting in to by accepting Mike S. son Kyle as offensive coordinator. Never allow father-son coaching arrangements.
2. The very close relationship Kyle and Rex have had (rooming together apparently while on road games with Houston) made it certain that Grossman would get his chance at strating QB.

So father-son-friend coaching decisions are clearly not good ones. McNabb will play and succeed elsewhere, and it looks like we are stuck with the Shanahan's for a while. They'll never earn the fan's respect after all this though.

Maybe Mike wants to leave and coach Denver next year, closer to home.

Posted by: bfjam | December 23, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

yup bfjam it was doomed from the start.

Lil' Shanny is 30 years old. McNabb is 6 years older and has 11 years of professional experience in the NFL. Lil' Shanny never played a single down, yet wouldn't listen to the suggestions being made by a 6-time probowler.

Now we know the truth. Lil' Shanny put his ego above the team. Like father, like son.

The Shannihan's declared Grossman's loss a success when he gave away the ball three times. There's something wrong with that.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | December 23, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

The Jets have Rex Reed and the Skins have Snyder and his Shennanigans.
Why are the Skins always a Couple of feet short of a yard?

Posted by: tniederberger | December 23, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

The Jets have Rex Reed and the Skins have Snyder and his Shennanigans.
Why are the Skins always a Couple of feet short of a yard?

Posted by: tniederberger | December 23, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

The Jets have Rex Reed and the Skins have Snyder and his Shennanigans.
Why are the Skins always a Couple of feet short of a yard?

Posted by: tniederberger | December 23, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing about this unfolding story is that everyone looks bad: Poor Donovan is made to look like a lazy lout with hardly a brain in his skull. Junior Shanny comes across a punk who leaks to the press. The senior Shanny looks like a moron who was on board when the deal for McNabb came down.
Frankly, I am more sympathetic to McNabb than I am to the Shanahans. I pulled against McNabb for all those years he played against the Redskins. I alway sensed that he was a class act and a straight shooter, but I never would admit it. After he came to the Skins and produced some wins that we we would not have gotten before him unless Jurgy was our qb, I warmed to him. He did this against long odds on the field and apparently off the field. He arguably has the worst o-line in the NFC East and maybe in the entire league. He, like Jason Campbell before him, gave his body for the sorry management of this franchise that deserves neither Campbell nor McNabb. Having worked for years in a corporate environment, I know when someone above you (in this case junior Shanny) dislikes you and does everything they can to make you fail. In the end, my advice for what's it's worth is that Donovan get the hell out of Dodge. He probably has at least a couple of good years to ply his trade as the morons who lynched him watch him perform in the playoffs for another team as Redskins, again and again, watch the postseason from the warmth of the home fires. As a fan of six decades of this team, I am embarrassed at the way they treat players, with McNabb being the latest example. To relegate him to third string is simply beyond decent. I still believe that either the Jags or the Giants, and probably both, with disabuse any Redskin of the notion that Rex Grossman is the second coming of Jake Plummer. The folks on the pine should be the Shanahans. I would bet the next mortgage payment that the screams for their firing will hit a crescendo by this time next season.

Posted by: royhobbs56 | December 23, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

If Gano hits the two short field goals in Tampa Bay game, Skins win and McNabb plays against Dallas.

Posted by: abrockway | December 23, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

If Gano hits the two short field goals in Tampa Bay game, Skins win and McNabb plays against Dallas.

Posted by: abrockway | December 23, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I say let Beck play the last 2 games.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 23, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Every time a bell rings, it means the Redskins have made another bad trade.

Merry Christmas Mr. Snyder.

Posted by: dcnationals1 | December 23, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Donovan McNabb's agent blasts the Shanahans

If McN and his flunkie agent are torked off by the Shannys then they should look in the mirror. McN scored a 9 on his Wonderlic. His brain can't process the Shanny's O. Grossguy's brain can. We saw the diff against Dallas. McN is a tard. He needs to go to a team that runs a tard O.

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Lost some real respect for Donovan after reading this statement. The Shanahans have not handled this well, but two wrongs don't make a right. I thought McNabb was above this fray...

Also, JReid, the agent's first name is Fletcher. His last name is Smith. FYI

Posted by: drischord | December 23, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan and his baby son Kyle are psychotic and it is only natural that Shanahan will end up with another spoiled brat owner in Dan Snyder.

Pat Bowlen, Broncos' owner did not fire Shanahan for firing sake. The man was a washup after Elway and Terrell Davis won Super Bowl in '97 and '98 and they retired, and he is still a washup who believes the way to thrive is to trash or scapegoat marquee players.

According to John Czarnecki of FOXSPORTS, Shanahan has a dirty history of using and discarding QBs, even when they are optimally performing. Czarnecki wrote "Now, McNabb knows how Jake Plummer, and maybe Brian Griese, felt when Shanahan discarded them. Plummer was 39-15 as a starter for the Broncos when he was dumped in favor of Jay Cutler. Plummer was so good he’s still in the Denver record books with 27 touchdown passes in a single season, tied with Elway."
http://nmsn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/donovan-mcnabb-washington-redskins-unhappy-future-ahead-122010

If an incompetent soul like Shanahan who has not earned anything (except reaping millions of US dollars for nothing)in the NFL of late could do this, why would anybody want to hire him? Apart from that, he has also instituted nepotism by installing his son who under normal circumstances will be unemployed by now. You could see that Kyle was calling senseless plays when McNabb was the starting QB. Let anybody who has perception go and do some research. On few occasions when plays that suited McNabb were called - deep balls, he actually was almost flawless. But when Kyle, the head coach's son decided to do the worst, he will call plays that did not make any iota of sense.

Well, the soap opera continues at the Redskins Park in Ashburn and mark my words, the answer is not with the Shanahans. Their motives and their management style defy all logic.

Posted by: midas20874 | December 23, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Quit whining about Kyle getting his job because of his Daddy. There have been many successful coaches who road in on their Fathers coattails. How about Rex and Rob Ryan, Wade Phillips, Brian Schottenheimer and Joe Lombardi to name a few. The fact is a written off QB who hadn't started in years came in a ran Kyle's offense with extreme efficiency. Something McNabb couldn't get done in 13 starts. Cooley and a few other players were impressed with how much faster the play was called in the huddle and the offense got lined up. Like Sonny said McNabb just didn't want to practice hard and it showed on the field. McNabb will NEVER come close to seeing the success he had in Philly no matter what team if any he ends up with next year. Stick a fork in him.

Posted by: CadillacJack | December 23, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Just getting caught up with all the hoopla. A few points I'd like to make.

1. Good move by McNabb (camp) to have the agent be the attack dog. McNabb has to stay above the fray to land another job with starting potential. Having the agent vent his concerns keeps McNabb above the fray.

2. The one phrase that stuck to me was the alledge Kyle Shanahan quote of McNabb never taking a snap again. Why? BEcause on that last drive against Tampa, the offense played in a ryhthem and tempo it hadn't for the majority of the season. I think that validated to Kyle, then Mike, that the main problem may not lie in the offense's design (screen plays be damned)but the quaterback himself. I think Mike wants to see if that is true or not.

3. as for the leaks, I can see where either Kyle or his boy the qb coach could be the source. If that's the case, here's hoping for more professionalism from the management group out at Redskins park.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan responds to Fletcher Smith
Posted by Mike Florio on December 23, 2010, 7:43 PM EST
As Rosenthal pointed out earlier today, Donovan McNabb’s agent issued a statement regarding the treatment McNabb has experienced with the Redskins. (Though Fletcher Smith when speaking on behalf of McNabb necessarily is speaking as McNabb, the average fan will be less likely to regard McNabb as a troublemaker if the words aren’t coming out of his mouth.)

The Redskins have now issued a response.

“As I stated earlier, when I traded for Donovan McNabb I had hoped that he would lead us to the playoffs,” coach Mike Shanahan said. “No one wanted him to be more successful than me. When the team was 5-8 and mathematically out of the playoffs, I made the decision to evaluate our other two quarterbacks. This was not personal, but strictly professional. The decision was made in the best interest of the Washington Redskins and I stand by my decision. I will attempt to talk to Fletcher Smith directly to clear up every one of his misconceptions.”

Talking to Smith makes sense, but it would also make sense for Shanahan to have a sit-down with McNabb.

Then again, Shanahan doesn’t really care about his relationship with McNabb. If Shanahan did, it never would have gotten to this point.
-------------------------------------------

Sounds about right to me. Has anyone ever actually quoted ANYONE saying the crap that the media is throwing out there? Anyone actually here either of the Shanny's make any of the statements about laziness or stupidity? No? Didn't think so. Anyone here McNabb say anything volatile? No? Just agents and so called "journalists" trying to make a buck.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

McNabb and his agent need to shut the he11 up.

I'm not a big fan of the Shanahan's.
However the Shanahan's were not the ones constantly throwing the ball in the damn dirt, or dragging @&& in games. It was McNabb.

If McNabb was playing at a higher level and a faster pace, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Posted by: Defund_NPR | December 23, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it a bit odd that this McNabb affair unfolds after Haynesworth was effectively thrown off the team? It's almost as if this organization needs a drama. Once the Haynesworth situation seemed to be resolved, here we go again w/ a different player.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 23, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I have to tell you midas that your post is one of the most ridiculous posts I've read in quite some time. 1) you presume to know what plays Kyle Shanahan called as if you were there. You were not. 2) You make a ridiculous statement about Kyle being unemployed if his Dad hadn't hired him. Really? Unemployed? Because he was doing a terrible job in Houston right? 3) McNabb executed plays that suited him, deep balls, flawlessly. Well I guess we should call nothing but deep balls then. Defensive coordinators and players will never figure that out. 4) Nepotism...sure. Like no sons of coaches or former coaches ever made it in the NFL. Like lil Shanny wasn't doing well on his own BEFORE coming here.

You're just not very bright in general and absolutely clueless when it comes to football. Stick to your third grade school books boyo.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Sadly Shanny's and teams fans have turned this thing into black white thing. And to "repair" this mistake shanny ibtches better not pick cam newton just so they can say "look I'm not racist". If them ibtches aren't racist then they sure as hell are Fing stupid. And go al Davis! Now we know why this fcker was run out of town in Denver.

BUT if this fcker gets the next John elway, highly unlikely since he didn't draft elway, then all is forgiven.

Either way al Davis was right. What a joke. I can already see the excuses for next year. "rebuilding" and the year after that for 3 years will be "only if the skins had a defense".

This motherfer came here and destroyed the only thing this team had going for it. The fcking defense. Ugh!

You know Danny should take a page out of Shanny's book and cut his losses. Mc5 was a mistake by shanny. And shanny was a mistake by this owner. Danny, cmon baby pull that trigger! You got John fox and Jeff fisher waiting. Cmon! Do it! F the haters!

And merry Xmas to all! :-) rember vinny is no longer! If the economy keeps going the way it's been for another 5 years we might get rid of Danny too! See happy thoughts!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 23, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Mel Kiper Jr. The Jr stands for Jerk-off. Like when he had this big boner for Jimmy Clausen in last yr's draft. What's ole Jimbo doin now? He has a 59 QB rating with 2 TDs and 7 Ints. If Jimbo had turned out to be what Kiper thought he was then the Skins wouldh have a better chance at getting Andy Luck now. Christ on a crutch!

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it a bit odd that this McNabb affair unfolds after Haynesworth was effectively thrown off the team? It's almost as if this organization needs a drama. Once the Haynesworth situation seemed to be resolved, here we go again w/ a different player.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 23, 2010 10:24 PM

It's not odd at all. It's not the organization that needs drama, it's the media that needs it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Somebody needs to tell McNabb's agent to STFU. He's just trying to incite the situation, make it worse, so that the Skins are forced to release him and he can take McNabb somewhere else and cash out again.

McNabb evolved from a running QB to a pocket QB as he aged and lost athleticism. That's what he wanted to do. Now that Shanahan has put him in that position, he's become a total flop.

All I know is that McNabb was shipped out of Philly and nobody misses him. They are doing well without him, not to mention the fact that Desean Jackson slammed the door in his face after he left. McNabb has done nothing without Brian Westbrook or TO.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 23, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Tough being 34 in any workplace. For the first time, you have a boss somewhere who's several years younger than you. Most of us learn you gotta fit in to the organization as best you can to keep your job.
Then there are those that make 14 mil in one year...

Posted by: kls1 | December 23, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Seasons Greatings all. Been a while, but had to chime in on the whole mcnabb fiasco. Donovan has looked horrible all season. Poor/slow decision making, serious accuracy issues, and a lack of mobility have been evident all season long. Shanny sees that he made a mistake in bringing him in and is doing something about it. This season is a lost cause and if he's not going to be the guy going forward, get his sjk out of there. The Shannys could have handled the situation better, but Donovan had 13 games to prove he was capable of putting points on the board, and couldn't do it.

Posted by: puttinforbird | December 23, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

One thing that McNabb and his agent can't blame on the Shanahans is McNabb's propensity, when confronted with an open receiver, to throw the ball into the ground, sailing over their head, or into the arms of the defense.

Posted by: nativedc | December 23, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan responds to Fletcher Smith
Posted by Mike Florio on December 23, 2010, 7:43 PM EST

... Talking to Smith makes sense, but it would also make sense for Shanahan to have a sit-down with McNabb. Then again, Shanahan doesn’t really care about his relationship with McNabb. If Shanahan did, it never would have gotten to this point.

Relationship? Jesus H. Christ. In a sport where the norm is guys battering other guys brains we're supposed to give a shti if MS is mean to McN?

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I have to tell you midas that your post is one of the most ridiculous posts I've read in quite some time.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 10:26 PM |

Dude. Does this mean you don't read your own posts?

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I feel like I just walked into the wrong bar. Full of strangers that have no idea WTF they are talking about.

Where's the bouncer?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I have thought all along that the issue was Klye, and I am sure it was thru him that these leaks and comments have been sourced thru him. I will also say that Mcnabb has missed some passes, but he had been professional and been extremley tough and aviod a number of sacks. Hs has no running backs, 1 receiver, not ,uch of a line and deserved better treatment.

I don't blame the McNabb camp for responding and I am sure their hope as with mine is to get Kyle fired. he has acted like smug, immature kid, who if his Dad was no the coach would not have his job.

You can not agure with my last statement, and that is never a good reason for getting a job, and he has not treated that gift with much respect. Kyle should be the one to go.

Posted by: markh1362 | December 23, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Seasons Greatings all. ...

Posted by: puttinforbird | December 23, 2010 10:31 PM |

And who might the bird be giving to this yr?

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I have thought all along that the issue was Klye, and I am sure it was thru him that these leaks and comments have been sourced thru him. I will also say that Mcnabb has missed some passes, but he had been professional and been extremley tough and aviod a number of sacks. Hs has no running backs, 1 receiver, not ,uch of a line and deserved better treatment.

I don't blame the McNabb camp for responding and I am sure their hope as with mine is to get Kyle fired. he has acted like smug, immature kid, who if his Dad was no the coach would not have his job.

You can not agure with my last statement, and that is never a good reason for getting a job, and he has not treated that gift with much respect. Kyle should be the one to go.

Posted by: markh1362 | December 23, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Dude. Does this mean you don't read your own posts?

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 10:40 PM |

Nope, it means I obviously haven't read yours.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I have thought all along that the issue was Klye, and I am sure it was thru him that these leaks and comments have been sourced thru him. I will also say that Mcnabb has missed some passes, but he had been professional and been extremley tough and aviod a number of sacks. Hs has no running backs, 1 receiver, not ,uch of a line and deserved better treatment.

I don't blame the McNabb camp for responding and I am sure their hope as with mine is to get Kyle fired. he has acted like smug, immature kid, who if his Dad was no the coach would not have his job.

You can not agure with my last statement, and that is never a good reason for getting a job, and he has not treated that gift with much respect. Kyle should be the one to go.

Posted by: markh1362 | December 23, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I have thought all along that the issue was Klye, and I am sure it was thru him that these leaks and comments have been sourced thru him. I will also say that Mcnabb has missed some passes, but he had been professional and been extremley tough and aviod a number of sacks. Hs has no running backs, 1 receiver, not ,uch of a line and deserved better treatment.

I don't blame the McNabb camp for responding and I am sure their hope as with mine is to get Kyle fired. he has acted like smug, immature kid, who if his Dad was no the coach would not have his job.

You can not agure with my last statement, and that is never a good reason for getting a job, and he has not treated that gift with much respect. Kyle should be the one to go.

Posted by: markh1362 | December 23, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I have thought all along that the issue was Klye, and I am sure it was thru him that these leaks and comments have been sourced thru him. I will also say that Mcnabb has missed some passes, but he had been professional and been extremley tough and aviod a number of sacks. Hs has no running backs, 1 receiver, not ,uch of a line and deserved better treatment.

I don't blame the McNabb camp for responding and I am sure their hope as with mine is to get Kyle fired. he has acted like smug, immature kid, who if his Dad was no the coach would not have his job.

You can not agure with my last statement, and that is never a good reason for getting a job, and he has not treated that gift with much respect. Kyle should be the one to go.

Posted by: markh1362 | December 23, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Dude. Does this mean you don't read your own posts?

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 10:40 PM |

Nope, it means I obviously haven't read yours.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

The Shanahans and Rex need to put up or shut up! Lets see how this experiment pans out this week against the Jaguars.

The conversation will start at 4:14pm on December 26th, 2010. No excuses!!!!

Posted by: 70chiponwhite | December 23, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Where's the bouncer?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2010 10:43 PM |

Dude. It's not like you're running the place and get to pick and choose who posts here. If you don't like it you can go to another blog that better suits your high football IQ.

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't blame the McNabb camp for responding and I am sure their hope as with mine is to get Kyle fired. he has acted like smug, immature kid, who if his Dad was no the coach would not have his job.

You can not agure with my last statement, and that is never a good reason for getting a job, and he has not treated that gift with much respect. Kyle should be the one to go.

Posted by: markh1362 | December 23, 2010 10:47 PM

It's actually quite easy to argue with the last statement, you see, Kyle Shanahan actually had the exact same job for another team before here. So technically while it is correct that he wouldn't have the same job here, he would still have the same job elsewhere, and was doing quite a good job at it. Give me a young up and comer over an over the hill dirtballer anyday.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

'Kyle Shanahan, according to Smith's statement, has refused to modify the Redskins' offense to maximize McNabb's strengths.'


McNabb's strengths are throwing the ball at the ground and tripping over his center. How would Fletcher Smith suggest we maximize them?

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 23, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Where's the bouncer?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2010 10:43 PM |

Dude. It's not like you're running the place and get to pick and choose who posts here. If you don't like it you can go to another blog that better suits your high football IQ.

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 10:51 PM |

I've got a better idea. How about you, instead of taking pot shots at other bloggers and Mel Kiper Jr. (which has nothing to do with what the hell anyone was talking about), come up with something that resembles a coherent thought concerning football. Or just piss off troll.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

'Kyle Shanahan, according to Smith's statement, has refused to modify the Redskins' offense to maximize McNabb's strengths.'


McNabb's strengths are throwing the ball at the ground and tripping over his center. How would Fletcher Smith suggest we maximize them?

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 23, 2010 10:55 PM |

L frickin' OL!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

The Shanahan Post-Elway Record:

1999 Broncos - 6-10 (Missed Playoffs)
2000 Broncos - 21-3 (Lost Wild Card)
2001 Broncos - 8-8 (Missed Playoffs)
2002 Broncos - 9-7 (Missed Playoffs)
2003 Broncos - 10-6 (Lost Wild Card)
2004 Broncos - 10-6 (Lost Wild Card)
2005 Broncos - 13-3 (Lost AFC Championship)
2006 Broncos - 9-7 (Missed Playoffs)
2007 Broncos - 7-9 (Missed Playoffs)
2008 Broncos - 8-8 Fired at end of season
2010 Redskins - 5-9 (Missed Playoffs)

Shanny and his defenders on this board think he's some type of coaching genius. OK, so since megamind took a team that twice won the Superbowl with John Elway and it took that already-talented team six seasons to achieve their one and only playoff victory, how long do you think it will take Shanny And Son to take this train wreck of a team and be successful with it?

Once John Elway retired, Shanahan's teams missed the playoffs for three of the next four seasons.

Then, for two years in a row, they got into the playoffs as the sixth seed only to lose the Wild Card game by a combined score of 90-34.

Then, the next year, they won their Division - for the FIRST TIME since Elway retired - and won a playoff game - for the ONLY TIME since Elway retired. And then they hosted the sixth seed team, Pittsburgh, for the AFC Championship game. And Pittsburgh beat Megamind at home by the score of 34-17.

And then ... the Broncos missed the playoffs for the next three seasons.

Then the Broncos fired Shanny.

Then Danny hired Shanny. And Shanny hired little Shanny.

And here we are.

Question of the day: If Shanahan could not take a twice-Super Bowl winning team and get better results than he did post-Elway (missing the playoffs six times out of ten seasons with Denver) and, given the results to date this year, can anyone seriously expect this man to take this crap pot of a franchise and turn it into anything respectable? In six years? In ten years? Ever?

(If you think, given Shanny's track record, that good things are down the road, I'd like to talk to you about a booming new business that you might want to get in on while the getting's good. It's called subpime mortgages. Call me at 1-888-IM-NAIVE!)

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 23, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 10:51 PM

You're the greatest no matter which handle you use. Blackops, eldrano, greenbag, snakerjake, etc..

It's all just a must read.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

This offense produces yards. That's it. Full stop. Period. For all the talk about McNabb having his worst season; he was on pace to break 4000 yards for the 1st time in his career. Denver and Houston have consistently been in the top ten offenses. So what?

In 2008, Denver was the 2nd ranked offense and Houston was the 3rd; but when you look more closely, Denver was 16th in scoring and Houston 17th. So is it the qb or the play calling or the offense? What has this offense produced? The last time this offense won a playoff game was January 14, 2006 (Denver 27, New England 13). This is the ONLY playoff game this offense has won since John Elway retired.

But, the big issue for me is not whether or not the offense works but rather who is building this team.

Shanahan has had carte blanch since his last Super Bowl victory in 1999 - LAST EFFING CENTURY - and he has built nothing.

There is ten years of history to say that this is not the guy to build with. It wasn't his defense. It was him and his offense.

Our defense is now in the crapper and he has set up the offseason to draft a qb. (The last one he hand-picked - Jay Cutler - has never had a qb rating above 90 and is now in his 1st playoff season.)

Go ahead neglect the defense like he did all those years in Denver. This team needs o-line and defense not Shanny's next whipping boy.

Go ahead and rebuild but do it with someone who has a proven track record.

Shanahan is the other side of the Norv Turner coin.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 23, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Or just piss off troll.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 10:55 PM |

Dude. It's not like you're running the place and get to pick and choose who posts here. If you don't like it you can go to another blog that better suits your tard IQ.

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

CommonSenseDude who would you suggest lead the Redskins charge to renewed football prosperity?

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey CommonSenseDude. I'm a Shanny supporter for one reason and one reason only...I don't want to continue riding the coaching carousel. I was against hiring him in the first place but I'm even more against hiring ANOTHER one. He can do plenty wrong but I'll give him some time to get some consistency and responsibility in place. Also, hard to go 21-3 in any season...just sayin'

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

bangkokben who would you suggest lead the Redskins charge to renewed football prosperity?

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

That was a great post CommonSenseDude!! The records speaks for itself. Way to put things in prospective!

Posted by: Neisha_H | December 23, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, Kyle has no NFL playing experience, McNabb has been running a successful version of the west coast offense since Kyle was a senior in high school awaiting 4 years on the bench at Texas. Yet, Kyle doesn't listen to McNabbs suggestions on how to slow down pass rushes against a terrible O-line. Sounds like an insecure, immature, golden child who is not ready to be a head coach. Kyle is the one who should be benched. The first key to leadership is listening. It's time Kyle learned that lesson.

Posted by: Kolchak | December 23, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Then the Broncos fired Shanny.

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 23, 2010 10:58 PM |

CommonSenseDude - now that the Broncos are in the market for a coach again wouldn't it be a real common sense move to strongly consider Bronco Mendenhall, the BYU coach who just came off of a thriller win over the UTEP miners in the Ron Mexico bowl.

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

If sense was so common then everyone would have some.

Mike Shanahan has two Super Bowl victories, Donovan McNabb has been to one Super Bowl in which he lost (threw up on himself), and has been to five conference championship games which he has a record of 1-4. However, where this gets a little sketchy is the Elway factor. In the four seasons with John Elway as his starting QB, Mike Shanahan's record is 46-17 or 53-18 if you include playoffs, close to a 75% winning percentage and those two Lombardi Trophies. Without Elway, his record is 105 - 89 or 106-93 roughly a 53% winning percentage, if you include playoffs. I know what you're doing in your head, carry the one, divide by five, plus seven and you get ONE playoff win without one of the greatest QBs of all time. Donovan McNabb has a career record of 97-57-1 or 106-64-1 (because you can't play to ties in the playoffs) roughly a 62% winning percentage vs 58% overall of the Coach. Now even weighing the Elway factor, it's hard to look past the two rings, so in this head to head battle, I will have to give the advantage to the Coach.

Advantage: Shanahan.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Or just piss off troll.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 10:55 PM |

Dude. It's not like you're running the place and get to pick and choose who posts here. If you don't like it you can go to another blog that better suits your tard IQ.

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 11:01 PM |

Just what I expected from and unoriginal third grader.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Also, hard to go 21-3 in any season...just sayin'

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 11:05 PM |

This from a tard who goes on the warpath when posters sound on spelling mistakes!

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

bangkokben who would you suggest lead the Redskins charge to renewed football prosperity?

Posted by: TWISI

Me, of course! I'm sure I could at least get six wins.

But seriously, the Danny has to fire Shanahan and then turn to Allen and tell him to do the job of a GM.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 23, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Dear scampbell1975

I think you are very niave if you think he would be here if his had was not the coach, yes, he did have the position with another team where Rex and he obvoiusly became friends and built a relationship that has clearly clouded his judgement.

If you think he has done a good job of calling plays and bringing in good offensive talent, we would def need to disagree. We have the worst offensive talent in the NFL, worse than last year. I would hardly call that the makings of an up and commer we would need to disagree with how we would define that. Kyle and our offense have been horrible and unprofessional. I was at the Tampa game, and for him to stop giving the ball to Torian, when it was working so well, makes no sense, and Kyle is the one who made that choice.

Posted by: markh1362 | December 23, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Dear scampbell1975

I think you are very niave if you think he would be here if his had was not the coach, yes, he did have the position with another team where Rex and he obvoiusly became friends and built a relationship that has clearly clouded his judgement.

If you think he has done a good job of calling plays and bringing in good offensive talent, we would def need to disagree. We have the worst offensive talent in the NFL, worse than last year. I would hardly call that the makings of an up and commer we would need to disagree with how we would define that. Kyle and our offense have been horrible and unprofessional. I was at the Tampa game, and for him to stop giving the ball to Torian, when it was working so well, makes no sense, and Kyle is the one who made that choice.

Posted by: markh1362 | December 23, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

This from a tard who goes on the warpath when posters sound on spelling mistakes!

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 11:17 PM

Blow me c0ckboy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

If you want continuity. Give Haslet the job and promote some one from the offensive staff to OC not named Shanahan.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 23, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kolchak | December 23, 2010 11:07 PM

and yet McNabb didn't know that a game could end in a tie, learn a new offense, and hated grass/turf so much he punished it 5x a game with one of his patented throws.

McNabb is a loser that has choked in the playoffs and is 1-4 in the NFC title game and lost his only shot at the SB.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

You're the greatest no matter which handle you use. Blackops, eldrano, greenbag, snakerjake, etc..

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2010 10:59 PM |

It's BlackBagOps and LittleGreeBag and don't forget the Vance bros, Banker, Bigger and Banger.

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Dear scampbell1975

I think you are very niave if you think he would be here if his had was not the coach, yes, he did have the position with another team where Rex and he obvoiusly became friends and built a relationship that has clearly clouded his judgement.

If you think he has done a good job of calling plays and bringing in good offensive talent, we would def need to disagree. We have the worst offensive talent in the NFL, worse than last year. I would hardly call that the makings of an up and commer we would need to disagree with how we would define that. Kyle and our offense have been horrible and unprofessional. I was at the Tampa game, and for him to stop giving the ball to Torian, when it was working so well, makes no sense, and Kyle is the one who made that choice.

Posted by: markh1362 | December 23, 2010 11:20 PM |

Well, you're entitled to that opinion. Semantics on the job thing. He had the job/has the job...whateves. Our offensive talent is how much different then last year? Not at all. We got rid of Devin Thomas and added marginally better lineman. RB's are a push. I'd say our recieving core with AA and BB added is better than last year. We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that. Plus McNabb is here. If what you say is true than you must think McNabb is better than JC. I do.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

It's BlackBagOps and LittleGreeBag and don't forget the Vance bros, Banker, Bigger and Banger.

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 11:24 PM

Sorry dude. Too many to keep up with. Give me your xbox handle and I'll school you in COD Black OPs

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

bangkokben I'm not sure about that. After only one year? Take the stats of making the playoffs 4 of the past 10 years. I'm not sure how many coaches out there that have done even that. If you wanna argue personnel duties, that may be another story.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

"CommonSenseDude who would you suggest lead the Redskins charge to renewed football prosperity?"

This is a tough one. And in that sense, I totally get where scampbell1975 is coming from. It's really tough to keep hiring and firing coaches, especially given the Danny's reputation.

Personally, I would LOVE to see Russ Grimm come home. He's been a long time assistant coach and helped develop Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen. He got a fourth Super Bowl ring as a coach on the Steelers staff and almost won another Super Bowl as a coach on the Cardinals staff. He's going to be a great NFL Head Coach one day and I would go crazy with enthusiasm if he came back home.

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 23, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Blow me c0ckboy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 11:21 PM |

Dude. lamo & lmao!

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

I was at the Tampa game, and for him to stop giving the ball to Torian, when it was working so well, makes no sense, and Kyle is the one who made that choice.

Posted by: markh1362 | December 23, 2010 11:20 PM |

I always thought it was run to set up the pass? Gotta have the qb make the routine pass play when the defense is playing 8 or 9 in the box.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I would LOVE to see Russ Grimm come home. He's been a long time assistant coach and helped develop Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen. He got a fourth Super Bowl ring as a coach on the Steelers staff and almost won another Super Bowl as a coach on the Cardinals staff. He's going to be a great NFL Head Coach one day and I would go crazy with enthusiasm if he came back home.


Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 23, 2010 11:33 PM |

I was for Grilliams when Gibbs left but when he got canned I jumped right on the Russ Grimm bandwagon.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it, it's the Thomas Boswells and Sally Jenkins and Jason Reids of this world who REALLY know how to run a successful NFL franchise, NOT the Shanahans or Bruce Allen.

I also enjoy how this latest TMZ-like entry from Reid actually features the overused and tired expression "blasts" in the title.

Since the WaPo sports section has sunk to the level of the NY Post, I expect the next RI blog entry to be: "REDSKINS TO MCNABB: DROP DEAD."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 23, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

TWISI,

I'm fine - not thrilled - with Shanahan as a coach. He has proven that he can get the ball to move between the 20's, get the team to by in to his message and created a semblence of accountability similar to that of the Soviet Union. But he has not ever been a good personnel man.

Btw, four in ten is not super and most coached never get the chance to see if they can replicate that.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 23, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan speaks of being "professional"?

It's NOT professional to leave the best QB on your team on the bench while you "evaluate" the other 2 QB's on the roster. It's the REGULAR season. The games count. Especially for your opponents trying to either make the playoffs or improve their playoff position.

Shanahan is not credible and lacks honesty. McNabb was on his way to breaking the Redskin single season passing yards mark. He is learning a new "system" with an inexperienced play caller. He as in the Pro Bowl last year.

What did Shanahan do lately? Either of them?

Shanahan is 29-33 in his last 62 games. He has become a loser. He is a "used to be". He can not relate to the players today and he has virtually no chance of success with his anitquated ways unless he changes as a person, which is unlikely.

It is what it is.

Posted by: jmueller7 | December 23, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I was for Grilliams when Gibbs left but when he got canned I jumped right on the Russ Grimm bandwagon.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 11:36 PM |

Actually it would never happen but if Grilliams came back as DC the Skins D would improve immensely. Grill proved both with the Skins and now with NO that he knows how to build a good D with modestly talented players. That's hard to do.

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I was for Grilliams when Gibbs left but when he got canned I jumped right on the Russ Grimm bandwagon.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 11:36 PM |

Actually it would never happen but if Grilliams came back as DC the Skins D would improve immensely. Grill proved both with the Skins and now with NO that he knows how to build a good D with modestly talented players. That's hard to do.

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 11:41 PM

Hey, a semi lucid comment...and I agree.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I would LOVE to see Russ Grimm come home. He's been a long time assistant coach and helped develop Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen. He got a fourth Super Bowl ring as a coach on the Steelers staff and almost won another Super Bowl as a coach on the Cardinals staff. He's going to be a great NFL Head Coach one day and I would go crazy with enthusiasm if he came back home.
Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 23, 2010 11:33 PM

Fair enough. However, what in his past says that he can assemble a rebuilding project for this franchise. I still look at your stat of 4 out of the past 10 years in the playoffs and myself how I'd feel if the Skins were there almost every other year? More importantly, how would it feel if the Skins actually finished first tor second in that division 6 out of those 10 years? It's a rebuilding year. Don't over think it. Some fan favs, and decent players will be washed out by the wave of change.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey, a semi lucid comment...and I agree.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 23, 2010 11:44 PM |

Gibbs had many talents and one was knowing a good DC when he saw one. Remeber Richie Petibon? Unlike Grill, he was hired as HC when Gibbs 1.0 left and it did not turn out so well.

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Btw, four in ten is not super and most coached never get the chance to see if they can replicate that.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 23, 2010 11:39 PM

I dunno, I guess we'll disagree here. When you take a cursory look at the last ten year span of coaches such as Tom Coughlin, Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, you see 4 or 5 playoff appearances. Guys like Dungy and Belichick are few in the masses.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Guys like Dungy and Belichick are few in the masses.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2010 11:55 PM |

Guys like Dungy and Belichick have guys like Manning and Brady.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 24, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

I think the most fair statement that can be made of the 'Skins mess is that BOTH Shanahan and McNabb are overhyped. Neither of them are as good as their supporters think they are.

To the comment "Fair enough. However, what in his past says that he can assemble a rebuilding project for this franchise. I still look at your stat of 4 out of the past 10 years in the playoffs and myself how I'd feel if the Skins were there almost every other year?," actually, we've almost done as well as Shanahan's Broncos have done, even with our insane asylum of an organization over the past ten years. Here's why I say that.

1999 - Skins make playoffs, win Wild Card Game. Broncos miss playoffs.

2000 - Broncos make playoffs, lose Wild Card Game. Skins miss playoffs.

2001 - Both Skins and Broncos miss playoffs

2002 - Both Skins and Bronocs miss playoffs

2003 - Broncos make playoffs, lose Wild Card Game. Skins miss playoffs.

2004 - Broncos make playoffs, lose Wild Card Game. Skins miss playoffs.

2005 - Skins make playoffs, win wild-card game, lose second round game. Broncos make playoffs, win second round, lose AFC Title game.

2006 - Both Skins and Broncos miss playoffs

2007 - Skins make playoffs, lose Wild Card Game. Broncos miss playoffs

2008 - Both Skins and Broncos miss playoffs


For those keeping score, from 1999-2008, the results are:
Shanny's Broncos - Made playoffs four times, won one playoff game.

Snyder's Redskins - Made playoffs three times, won two playoff games.

Not radically different results in my opinion. We essentially did almost as well as Shanahan has done when he was the King of Denver, even during a time period in which we had four different coaches. And Vinny.

Shanny should pay John Elway royalties for every dollar he makes as a coach because he's survived largely on the strength of those two Super Bowl rings Elway got for him.

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 24, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs had many talents and one was knowing a good DC when he saw one.

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 23, 2010 11:53 PM |

Another talentGibbs 1.0 had was being able to get the most out of his QB. He won a SB with Joe Theismann who was far from being the ideal Joe Gibbs QB. And Joe T was sort of like McN in terms of having a certain number of sheets to the wind. You wonder what Gibbs 1.0 would have done with McN.

Posted by: SnakerJake | December 24, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Note to self: Never hire an agent named Fletcher Smith III to represent me. For anything.

I cannot believe this moron is playing a game of insult ping-pong in the media with the Shanahans when he should be focusing on getting his client to another team this offseason.

And I love how the agent tosses in helpful comments about how the offense should be run, i.e., more screen passes, please!

Sweet bleeding Jesus, someone should do McNabb a favor and tell him this crackpot Smith is doing him more harm than good.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 24, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Reply to dargregmag
The NFL channel did an in depth look at McNabb in Philly, and found that Reid did in fact simplify his playbook for him, and that Nabb loved to " do his own thing " many times, running and using his big arm. Both those attributes are gone. Also, Reid's offense was much simpler and different than Kyle's. Kyle came from Houston last year and they had a very complicated,powerful, quick striking offense that was built on speed and quick reads. Why do you think there's so much static between Kyle and Nabb? Because Nabb can't run the offense and he audibles all over the place and it drives little Shanny nuts. Rex was in Houston last year, knows the offense, and came in RUSTY and scored 30 points. Nabb hasn't done that all year. Facts are facts mate.....you don't have to like it, but that's the way it is. By the way, can you please throw the race card out? It's so freaking old.....no one is a slave anymore, OK? It's not because Nabb is black, it's because he can't " get " the offense.....sheeeesh....put it to bed, will you?

Posted by: Riggo2 | December 24, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

True, four and five out of ten isn't too bad. You can put Jeff Fisher on that list. But you can also see that he went to the playoffs 7 out 10 in one stretch. But more importantly to me is what has he been recently and what has he done with the team around him?

He was 9-7, 7-9, and 8-8 tanking in the last month of the season. 8-5 and three games ahead of San Diego only to lose out including to the Chargers leading to his relocation. His record in the last four playoff trips also speak for themselves.

For this team he has led this team to one victory in the last seven matches. He made massive changes on the defensive side but none of those changes are answers. Kareem Moore is the weakest link and the d-line is collectively the least talented in the league. Yet because of what he see in the offense he will address these needs 1st.

My point is, if he believes his mess needs to rebuild then find someone who can and he isn't the guy. If he wants to fix the defense and o-line and then find a qb, I'm okay with that. But not qb first.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 24, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

I don't care who does what with whom all I want to see is the Redskins get back to being a playoff team! I can't believe it's been almost 20 years since the Super Bowl win over Buffalo. I really thought we were onto something bringing in Shanny and McNabb but I am just so disappointed that we are back into the soap opera mess, again! Another December of meaningless games and off the field drama instead of getting ready for the playoffs. What a shame!

Posted by: Beltwayboy7 | December 24, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

My point is, if he believes his mess needs to rebuild then find someone who can and he isn't the guy. If he wants to fix the defense and o-line and then find a qb, I'm okay with that. But not qb first.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 24, 2010 12:16 AM

On that we can agree. BTW, because of the CBA, the draft may very well come b4 the FA period. Depending on how things look in the CBA, teams my well take more chances in the draft, using 2011 as a redshirt year, and build their 2011 team via the FA market.

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CommonSenseDude not feelin your last post. During that same time period, the Broncos had 4 or 5 double digit win season, plus either won or finished second 5 or 6 times. The Redskins haven't had nearly the success. I think I know what you want to say, but using those numbers to support your argument about coaching acumen doesn't jive.

Posted by: TWISI | December 24, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Night all.

Posted by: TWISI | December 24, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Riggo2 | December 24, 2010 12:11 AM

Easy cosign except the last two sentences.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 24, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Kyle Shanny may have been the OC with the number one offense in the pro game BUT HIS TEAM didn't play in the playoffs OR DID THEY PLAY IN THE SUPER BOWL i.e. #1 stats do not mean squat UNLESS you pair that stat witha champ.game OR a super bowl game. I wonder WHY it took 13 games for BOTH Shanny's to make this move? This whole thing started in the Detroit game and daddy Shanny let it fester. This crap should have been resolved with the Detroit game and for daddy Shannon to NOW say "I want to evaluate the other QBs that is passing the buck to the player--WHO ever he is--and is vindictive behavior. Shanny could have and should have dealt from the top of the deck and not from the bottom. The PR could have been avoided and only validates what has been sais aout his handling of players--his reputation has been validated. He is not being fired NOT with the contract he has and Snyder can't take another money hit like Albert and his 6 Flag amudement park failure

Posted by: vergens2 | December 24, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Since we're crediting grimm for pitt and zona's success do we also assign him some fault for zona's failures this year? They have the 31st ranked off and the line has given up the same amount of sacks as the skins,43, as opposed to 26 all last year. Or is it okay to give him a pass cuz of poor QB play

Posted by: hcic55 | December 24, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Kyle Shanny may have been the OC with the number one offense in the pro game BUT HIS TEAM didn't play in the playoffs OR DID THEY PLAY IN THE SUPER BOWL i.e. #1 stats do not mean squat UNLESS you pair that stat witha champ.game OR a super bowl game. I wonder WHY it took 13 games for BOTH Shanny's to make this move? This whole thing started in the Detroit game and daddy Shanny let it fester. This crap should have been resolved with the Detroit game and for daddy Shannon to NOW say "I want to evaluate the other QBs that is passing the buck to the player--WHO ever he is--and is vindictive behavior. Shanny could have and should have dealt from the top of the deck and not from the bottom. The PR could have been avoided and only validates what has been sais aout his handling of players--his reputation has been validated. He is not being fired NOT with the contract he has and Snyder can't take another money hit like Albert and his 6 Flag amusment park failure.

Posted by: vergens2 | December 24, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Watching McNabb struggle reminds of that idiot Frerotte as he struggled to run Norv Turner's O. Then (thank god) he got hurt and in comes Trent Green - and suddenly Norv's offense works and is fun to watch. OMG!

I don't know if McNabb sucks, or if he's done, or what. I just know the offense looks terrible with him running it.

If Grossman is the answer, then I don't know what the question is, but I do think it's time to look past McNabb to find our future.

Let's also commit to building a dominant O line, so whoever we get has a chance.

Posted by: edvar | December 24, 2010 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Verg, shanny has now said twice he is only making the move now that we are mathematically eliminated from playoffs, which to me says he does think #5 gave us the best chance to win, so how is this vindictive

Posted by: hcic55 | December 24, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Verg, shanny has now said twice he is only making the move now that we are mathematically eliminated from playoffs, which to me says he does think #5 gave us the best chance to win, so how is this vindictive

Posted by: hcic55 | December 24, 2010 12:48 AM

Hey, don't let facts get in the way of wild conjecture here. You obviously are putting all your stock in direct quotes from the horses mouth instead of baseless mud slinging from journalists and agents. That type of stuff just doesn't fly around here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 24, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Just remember that McScabb is an Eagle first. Dude used to bash our team and now he's half of you turkey's savior. Sell outs. Just kidding. Anywho, goodnight Skins fans...the rest of you can blow me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 24, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Let's face reality. As long as Snyder heads the Redskins, it will never again reach the days of yore. He cannot provide the leadership or the intelligence to develop a team. He can create some more scapegoats, but we will never have a real winner under him. He regards his ownership as a way to make himself rich and have some think he is important. We, the fans, are the losers

Posted by: Sooner1 | December 24, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Let's face reality. As long as Snyder heads the Redskins, it will never again reach the days of yore. He cannot provide the leadership or the intelligence to develop a team. He can create some more scapegoats, but we will never have a real winner under him. He regards his ownership as a way to make himself rich and have some think he is important. We, the fans, are the losers

Posted by: Sooner1 | December 24, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

People who think Andy Reid looks like a genius for ditching McNabb are crazy. If he didn't have Vick backing up that terd of a QB he chose as the future over McNabb, Philly's season would look totally different now. People forget that our O Line was terrible most of the season, it has only been the last two games that they have looked halfway decent. And people forget all the dropped balls the receivers have had and choose to remember balls thrown at their feet. McNabb has been the least of the Redskins problems this year; the game is won or lost in the trenches not in the skill positions.

Posted by: 1302lt1 | December 24, 2010 1:47 AM | Report abuse

lmao mcjoke is quite the diva through his agent! That joke should keephis mouth shut! THE MOST OVER RATED QB IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME! Mcnabb has never lead a team any where, his stats were never great and he is always getting hurt! THIS BUM DESERVES TO BE SITTING ON THE BENCH! Who the f is who to question Kyles offense??? IT WORKS FINE WITHOUT MCJOKE ! KYLE IS THE OC HE HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD OC , IT's THE FIRST YEAR IN HIS SYSTEM SO MOST PLAYER ARE NOT FIT AND OR HAVE YET TO FULLY GRASP IT! GIVE IT 2 YEARS BEFORE ANY ONE JUDGES KYLE!!
KYLE HS GROWNUP IN THE NFL HE KNOWS MORE THAN MCJOKE AND MOST IDIOTS WILL EVER!

Posted by: warriorking111285 | December 24, 2010 2:52 AM | Report abuse

Whatever. Let's just say both sides are right. What does it matter? Another DISGUSTING season of losing by blowout and losing by extra points and everything in between. Losing. Again.

I just think if The Shannies had come in the door saying, "Rex is our guy of the future," most people would have told them to get back out the door. Count me in that group.

Rex has looked decent, though. He still does his blooper stuff, but when he's not making blooper reels, he looks efficient. I just don't think you build around a blooper guy, and that's what he's ALWAYS been. How many bloopers have you seen Tom Brady or Peyton Manning in? I just think Rex is the kind of guy where you just don't even go there.

Perish the thought.

But, here we are. McNabb has a great skill set, but he's not wanted here and apparently wasn't. Is he at fault for suggesting changes to a young and insecure OC? Yes. See ya later.

But, I don't like Rex here at all. I've seen him and he looks the same. Actually, he really looks less retarded, but the bloopers are still there and that's close enough for me.

Look forward to another year of losing next year with Rex. God, please, let us get some stud RBs. Upgrade the O Line and get some young stud RBs. That's our only hope of finishing above Dallas next year.

We're F'ing years away from being good. YEARS.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 24, 2010 5:26 AM | Report abuse

Whatever. Let's just say both sides are right. What does it matter? Another DISGUSTING season of losing by blowout and losing by extra points and everything in between. Losing. Again.

I just think if The Shannies had come in the door saying, "Rex is our guy of the future," most people would have told them to get back out the door. Count me in that group.

Rex has looked decent, though. He still does his blooper stuff, but when he's not making blooper reels, he looks efficient. I just don't think you build around a blooper guy, and that's what he's ALWAYS been. How many bloopers have you seen Tom Brady or Peyton Manning in? I just think Rex is the kind of guy where you just don't even go there.

Perish the thought.

But, here we are. McNabb has a great skill set, but he's not wanted here and apparently wasn't. Is he at fault for suggesting changes to a young and insecure OC? Yes. See ya later.

But, I don't like Rex here at all. I've seen him and he looks the same. Actually, he really looks less retarded, but the bloopers are still there and that's close enough for me.

Look forward to another year of losing next year with Rex. God, please, let us get some stud RBs. Upgrade the O Line and get some young stud RBs. That's our only hope of finishing above Dallas next year.

We're F'ing years away from being good. YEARS.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 24, 2010 5:26 AM | Report abuse

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With a handle like "Thinker" one might think you wouldn't make the same point more than once in the same post....Just a "Thought".

Posted by: skins91r | December 24, 2010 6:04 AM | Report abuse

like skins91 shows something?

like maybe you'd make A point in a post?

Just one?

Go Bang your mother, you scumbag. Hail.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 24, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

With a handle like "Thinker" one might think you wouldn't make the same point more than once in the same post....Just a "Thought".

Posted by: skins91r | December 24, 2010 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Or atleast realize that shanny never said rex was the future, only he wanted to evaluate the other 2 QB's on the roster now that we can't make the playoffs. The future QB is not on the roster yet

Posted by: hcic55 | December 24, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

"Upgrade the O Line and get some young stud RBs."We're F'ing years away from being good. YEARS.

Posted by: Thinker
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I gotcha Think, this would have been a good year to have more than one 1st rounder. Mark Ingram, if comes out from Alabama is the truth. Yet, the talking heads have him as going in the 20s in the draft. We'll draft higher than that, so taking him would be considered a reach.

But, if we could get him and a QB or WR in the 1st-we would be set(and so would other teams, for that matter), we just don't have the juice with enough picks to play with.

If we had our second rounder, perhaps we could have parlayed it and either a player or another pick to jump back in the 1st round at the end.

As it is, we have to nail the 1st pick... obviously. Trading for McNabb and losing that 2nd rounder REALLY hurts in this deep draft. We could have gotten better much quicker.

That's why I agree with whoever posted about the coaching staff keeping their mouths shut. The Shanahans feel the need to justify their decisions by being the anonymous sources, and it's killing us.

They themselves annihilate any abiity to hold on to the trade value of players.

Imagine if they weren't so insecure and had not knifed McNabb-he would still have enough trade value to finangle SOMETHING as far as a pick, same with Haynesworth. Now, we won't be able to get a thing for them, teams know we'll probably release them.

That's why I think Snyder should do the unusual and bargain the personnel power away from Shanahan, even if he has to give him a little sugar, in the form of a contract bump.

It's one thing if they don't like a player, change their mind on their evaluation of a player-fine, cool, whatever. But these anonymous trashings of players and their reputations undermines the ability to trade them to another sucker.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

armchair, we traded last years 2nd rounder and this years 4th for #5.

Posted by: hcic55 | December 24, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

But these anonymous trashings of players and their reputations undermines the ability to trade them to another sucker.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

I've not heard one presser where anyone in the org ever trashed #5, but since no post reporter has ever gotten in trouble for reporting a false story this year, who are we to believe?

Posted by: hcic55 | December 24, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Jeez. Just finished reading through all the comments on this thread from last night and this morning. Feel like I need another shower. Instead of this blog being people discussing a common rooting interest, it more often feels like a collection of people who hate each other. T'was ever thus of course, but doesn't it seem particularly bad lately over the Shanahans/McNabb issue? It's a multi-faceted issue with some blame rightfully resting on both sides. One thing is for sure...Andy Reid is watching from afar and laughing his head off that Shanahan is dealing with all of this and not him.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 24, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse


this stuff isn't even worth posting about.

MORE OF THE SAME

if you think things will change for the better under this ownership and the FO and HC brought in because of past successes, FORGET IT

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Yawn….I just can’t believe all the blame is going to DM5…Let’s talk about something else like…How’s the defense ranked? How’s the offensive line ranked? When Allen could have improved the receiver corps w/ free agents did he? Galloway and Williams contributions again please? What’s there catch total again? Yeh, those running backs looked good early on. CC47 how do you like being coached by a 24 year old with no experience. The play calling was on point too. Point is this is a team effort.
Oh yea…The payroll is down and the team is younger we have to be better right?
I gave away my seats for the Giants game…yes section 102

Posted by: stu_pid | December 24, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Ok nowi am resorting to determine who to pull for on Christmas night? I believe the cowgirls would draft ahead of the Redskins as of right now. So do we want a cowgirl victory to get a better record or pull for the cardinals and hope they tie our record as of now?

I know...pathetic.

Posted by: gallrick | December 24, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

I gave away my seats for the Giants game…yes section 102


Posted by: stu_pid | December 24, 2010 8:10 AM

If there is a strike/lockout (Now that the players have voted to de-certify, there can't technically be a lockout. If there are no games it will be because there is a strike.) next season...you will be kicking yourself. Think about how bad we're all craving football by Labor Day.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 24, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse


Ok nowi am resorting to determine who to pull for on Christmas night? I believe the cowgirls would draft ahead of the Redskins as of right now. So do we want a cowgirl victory to get a better record or pull for the cardinals and hope they tie our record as of now?

I know...pathetic.

Posted by: gallrick | December 24, 2010 8:14 AM |
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I hope the cowboys lose. what good does one draft pick position do you when you have a FO that has it's head up it's ass ?

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Once guys come o the Redskins they are ruined its sad cause for all the drama this team has nothing on the field to show for anything..Shanahan is a over paid ego centric idiot he went outan signed Mcnabb he should have known his capabilities an limitations ..With seasonn long drama why would any free agent want to play in DC? Since Shaanahan is benching people he needs rto sit down the defense the last 3 games, the offensive line , receivers , etc lets keep it real...Kyle Shanahan is a whining little weasel who has won nothing

Posted by: BeatDontStop | December 24, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Whatever. Let's just say both sides are right. What does it matter?

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 24, 2010 5:26 AM

There can be only one Highlander. Football is about winning and losing, not ties (skipping over the obvious line next about McNabb not knowing that games could end in ties).

I didn't quite understand why they brought in McNabb other than maybe that they had a complete leadership void on the offensive side of the ball. But to be clear, they neglected to ask me what I thought about the move (yet another tragic mistake).

Other than that, Grossman should be serviceable for another year ... before he drops into the role that Brunell serves for Sanchez. Maybe the McNabb thing was an accommodation to sell jerseys and be a "face" of the franchise. I don't exactly know how it would happen, but it IS conceivable that they could make "bygones" and McNabb is the starter next year (maybe McNabb has to change agents ... plausible deniability such as). That wouldn't be so bad. In the meantime, the Skins could focus on another offensive lineman or two, plus some linebackers.

This place needs a new topic. What should I get for my wife for Christmas?

Posted by: dcsween | December 24, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

@hcic55
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My bad, I had the isht backwards...
Now, let's try to make some sense of this...

3rd Round
San Diego from the NY Jets - CB Antonio Cromartie - pick could become a #2 in time
San Diego from Seattle - QB Charley Whitehurst
Philadelphia gets a conditional #3 or #4 from Washington - QB Donovan McNabb
New Orleans has a conditional #3 or #4 from Washington - OT Jammal Brown
New England from Minnesota - WR Randy Moss
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Conditional Picks 2011
Green Bay from Carolina - LS J.J. Jansen
Seattle from Cleveland - QB Seneca Wallace
Washington gets either a 5th, 6th or 7th round pick from New Orleans to complete deal for OT Jammal Brown
Philadelphia will receive Washington's 3rd round pick and New Orleans with get the Redskins #4 pick if the Redskins either win 9 games or make to the playoffs this coming season or if QB Donovan McNabb is voted to the Pro Bowl. If those conditions aren't met then New Orleans will get the Redskins 3rd round pick Philadelphia gets their #4 pick. If New Orleans gets Washington's 3rd round pick then the Redskins will get a 5th rounder to complete the deal. If the Saints only get the Redskins #4 pick then Washington gets a 6th or 7th rounder to complete the deal
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Washington has an undisclosed pick from Indianapolis - CB Justin Tyron
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2012 Draft Picks

4th Round
Washington from Oakland - QB Jason Campbell

Conditional Picks
New Orleans from Washington - OT Jammal Brown If Brown takes part in 90% of the Redskins’ offensive snaps in 2011 or get voted to the Pro Bowl.

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Well, our 2nd rounder will be at the top, so hmmmm, I wonder what MS is going to do. He will wheel and deal, judging from his time with the Broncos.

Unless some type of red flag comes up, I don't have Ingram dropping out of the 1st- I don't think he escapes the Patriots.

We just might have to be happy using the 2nd rounder...in the 2nd round. If that's the case, the logical pick should be an OG or Center.

Thoughts & Opinions?


Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Ok now am resorting to determine who to pull for on Christmas night?

Posted by: gallrick | December 24, 2010 8:14 AM

I'm pulling for Arizona at the points (6.5) and the over (45). Dallas' defense was pantsed by Rex Grossman of all people. Arizona is good against the run and Kitna's only game is in the short pass, so Arizona's crappy secondary matches up well. Neither team has much on the line, so the home team gets an advantage. And America continues to ask, who is John Skelton (other than a guy who got first team reps all week)?

Posted by: dcsween | December 24, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Like most of us, I pour through the mocks and they have us all over the place.

The last one I read scared the living daylights out of me. They had us taking Dareus, the Alabama DT with our 1st and Broyles, the get this-OKLAHOMA WR with the 2nd.

To that I say YIKES!! None of the Alabama fat boys have hit yet, in fact both Andre Smith and Terrance Cody can barely get their big asses on the field for the Bengals and Ravens. No one, us included has hit on a Sooners WR in years...they seem to specialize in being busts.

So I hope that Mock is dead wrong.

For those interested in that one, it was @WalterFootball.com

http://walterfootball.com/draft2011.php

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Well, our 2nd rounder will be at the top, so hmmmm, I wonder what MS is going to do. ...
We just might have to be happy using the 2nd rounder...in the 2nd round. If that's the case, the logical pick should be an OG or Center.

Thoughts & Opinions?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 8:55 AM

I don't know what they WILL do, but that is what I hope they do (unless they snag a legitimate UFA guard from someone like Atlanta). With the first pick, they probably should use it on a glamor position like QB or WR or, if they lose Rogers to free agency, CB or LB. Where they're going to be slotted (5th to 8th), the time and place are right.

Personally, my QB choice is a 4th rounder named Colin Kaepernick from Nevada. Watch the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl on January 9th to learn more.

Posted by: dcsween | December 24, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I like Kaerpernick too, he's a stringbean, but if we can use Grossman and Beck as placeholders, we should be in no rush to start him and then we can let his body feel out. Nice arm and good wheels on this kid. Plus, though he's skinny, he will scramble.

He would a nice pick for a team that really wanted Cam Newton but couldn't get him.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I like Kaerpernick too, he's a stringbean, but if we can use Grossman and Beck as placeholders, we should be in no rush to start him and then we can let his body feel out. Nice arm and good wheels on this kid. Plus, though he's skinny, he will scramble.

He would a nice pick for a team that really wanted Cam Newton but couldn't get him.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Reading through these comments, I'm still baffled that people are using the "Elway Argument" to criticize Mike Shanahan. Would anyone like me to repost the HoF QBs and HoF Head Coach tandems that won more than half of all the Super Bowls together? Does Mike Shanahan not deserve credit for finding and developing the 6th round draft pick, Terrell Davis, who was initially a long shot to make the Bronocs?

If people want to drink the Kool Aid and continue the M.O. that has made Danny boy ever so rich while his circus remains a laughingstock of the NFL, then they can call for Shanahan's removal. Trading draft picks for McNabb turned out to be stupid, but supporting one of the methods that ruined this team in the first place (i.e. premature removal of coaches) is not the way to go.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 24, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Sorry for the double post, I was trying to get rid of that FEEL, I meant Fill.

...not interested in FEELING any of these dudes! :-P

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

A pole bean actually. At 6'6" and clocked at 4.85 for the 40, he has the makings of a passer/scrambler.

Posted by: dcsween | December 24, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween
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True, true-have you seen Blaine Gabbert, the Missouri QB or T.J. Yates, the Tarheel QB or Ben Chappell, the Hoosier QB?

Gabbert is nice, good wheels, live arm, he looks like Roethlisberger when he came out.

Yates reminds me of Stan Humphries, in a good way-nice, snapping type delivery, heady player.

Chappell reminds me of Cutler-arrogant arm strength, forces too many passes, but fearless.

What's very strange and may make this a very memorable draft for QBs is, other than Tyrod Taylor- many of the better prospects stand at least 6'3. The guys I just mentioned are 6'5, 6'3 and 6'3, which is important to me because I think that's a hidden issue with McNabb, he stands only 6'2. To me the shorter QBs struggle on short routes-it's easier to lay a deep ball out for a WR, than it is for them to hit those short routes consistently. Even Vick & Brees, though they are sharp QBs don't hit the short routes as good as I think they would if both stood about 6'3-6'4.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Andrew Luck**, QB, Stanford
Height: 6-4. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.
Projected Round (2011): Top 3 Pick.
10/1/10: Stanford has dominated early part in the year, and with Luck's team winning consistently he will have a better public perception as an NFL Draft prospect than Jake Locker. Luck has completed 64 percent of his passes for a 9.6 YPA and thrown 10 touchdowns with zero interceptions. Luck has also shows very good mobility being able to scramble outside the pocket. I love Luck's mechanics, decision making, and football IQ. If Locker's team hovers around .500, then Luck will have more generated hype and there will be less concerns that he can win in the NFL.

3/29/10: A redshirt sophomore in 2009, Andrew Luck will be eligible for the 2011 NFL Draft. He was very impressive as a first-year starter, compiling 2,575 yards, 13 touchdowns and four picks on an 8.9 YPA and a 56.3 completion percentage.


Jake Locker, QB, Washington - Scouting Report
Height: 6-3. Weight: 223.
Projected 40 Time: 4.59.
Projected Round (2011): Top 5 Pick.
10/1/10: Huge game on the road this week for Washington as they travel into the Coliseum. Locker struggled against Nebraska as his accuracy was off-target and his decision making left something to be desired, but a closer look at the tape shows his receivers rarely got open and he was under constant pressure from Bo Pelini's defense. Luck has the upper hand right now to go higher in the 2011 NFL Draft.

3/29/10: Jake Locker took a huge risk going back to school. If he gets hurt or if scouts notice something wrong on film, his stock could drop dramatically. For now, he's the No. 1 quarterback prospect in the 2011 class. Perhaps he should follow Sam Bradford's example and take the entire 2010 season off.

With no help around him, Locker threw for 2,800 yards, 21 touchdowns and 11 interceptions

Ryan Mallett*, QB, Arkansas - Scouting Report
Height: 6-7. Weight: 238.
Projected 40 Time: 5.05.
Projected Round (2011): 1-2.
10/1/10: Mallett's team is winning and he's putting up good stats, but if you take a closer look his accuracy is highly inconsistent, he has poor mechanics, and he struggles with mobility and has a hard time eluding pass rushers. Mallett is a bit of a statue in the pocket and doesn't create throwing lanes outside the tackle box when his receivers struggle to get open. We're not buying the hype anymore, and neither should you.

3/29/10: At 6-7 with a massive arm, Ryan Mallett looks like a franchise quarterback. His 2009 numbers (3,624 yards, 30 TDs, 7 INTs, 9.0 YPA) will tell you that as well. He's a bit raw and needs to work on decision-making, but he could easily leapfrog Jake Locker on this list next year.


Nick Foles*, Arizona
Height: 6-5. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 5.01.
Projected Round (2011): 1-2.
9/24/10: I wasn't a fan of Nick Foles last year because of his frequent tendency to check down his passes, but he really has improve

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2011): 1-2.
10/1/10: Ponder bounced back from his ugly 11-28, 2 INT performance against Oklahoma to notch a total of 392 passing yards, 2 touchdowns, zero interceptions, and a 66-percent completion rate. We like this confidence to mentally respond from a poor game. Ponder's decision making is a little inconsistent, but he has a good arm and terrific athleticism. He will get drafted in the top 50 picks.

3/29/10: Christian Ponder finished the year with 2,718 yards, 14 touchdowns and seven interceptions on a YPA of 8.2 and impressive 68.8 completion percentage.

11/7/09: A slightly better version of Tony Pike; his arm strength isn't very good, but he's a smart and accurate quarterback.


Nathan Enderle, QB, Idaho
Height: 6-5. Weight: 227.
Projected 40 Time: 5.05.
Projected Round (2011): 2-3.
10/1/10: Enderle had a five-interception outing against Nebraska, but remember Nebraska is one of the elite defenses in the country. Enderle is an accurate passer and solid decision maker operating a pro-style offense. In his last two games he is throwing for 70-percent, 9.8 YPA, four touchdowns and one interception. To cement a second-round grade he must have a good showing at the Senior Bowl in January.

3/29/10: Statistically impressive as a junior, Nathan Enderle had 2,906 yards, 22 touchdowns and nine picks as a junior on a 9.3 YPA and 61.5 completion percentage.


Ricky Stanzi, QB, Iowa
Height: 6-4. Weight: 225.
Projected 40 Time: 4.84.
Projected Round (2011): 3-4.
10/1/10: Stanzi won't "wow" you with his physical tools, but he is an intelligent quarterback with terrific accuracy and a high football I.Q. He knows how to manage a game and he understands the intracacies of passing the football. Stanzi projets as a potential starter to the next level, and he isn't expected to win a job in his rookie season. He lacks some upside, but he has some tools a team can work with. Stanzi has completed 67 percent of his passes for a 10 YPA, nine touchdowns and one interception. Keep in mind the only challenging defense he has faced is Arizona.

3/29/10: Ricky Stanzi is a strong-armed pro-style quarterback, but makes questionable throws at times. In 2009, he had 2,417 yards and 17 touchdowns, but also tossed 15 picks on a 56.3 completion percentage. His YPA was 8.0.


Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Pat Devlin, QB, Delaware
Height: 6-4. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.84.
Projected Round (2011): 3-5.
10/1/10: Devlin is probably the toughest quarterback in college football right now. He fractured his left wrist, and returned to play two weeks later against Richmond going 14-21 for 240 yards. Devlin's production in his first two games was mediocre only throwing for a 6.3 YPA against West Chester and South Dakota State.

3/29/10: As a junior at Delaware, Pat Devlin threw for 2,664 yards, 16 touchdowns and nine picks on a 7.7 YPA and 64.0 completion percentage. He boasts a strong arm and could be a first-round pick with a solid senior campaign.

2/4/09: Pat Devlin doesn't have much playing experience, thanks to Darryl Clark, but he possesses a rocket arm. He transferred over to Delaware in hopes of becoming the next Joe Flacco. With two strong seasons, Devlin could be a first-round pick in 2010.


Tyrod Taylor, QB/WR, Virginia Tech
Height: 6-1. Weight: 206.
Projected 40 Time: 4.52.
Projected Round (2011): 5-7.
10/1/10: Tyrod Taylor is certainly not a quarterback prospect you want to hang your hat on, but he's one of the better options in the later rounds if you are looking for a backup at the next level. He is very mobile, athletic and has a solid arm to make all the throws. He needs to be coached up at the next level, but he is worth taking a flier on in Rounds 5 or 6. Taylor has notched 66 percent of his completions for a 10.0 YPA on the year thus far.

3/29/10: A short quarterback who completed only 56 percent of his passes in 2009. On the bright side, he threw only five picks and maintained a 9.5 YPA.


Colin Kaepernick, QB, Nevada
Height: 6-6. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2011): 5-7.
10/1/10 : Kaepernick has a big arm, prototypical size, and plenty of athleticism, but he also has an awkward, slow release as well as horrible passing mechanics overall. His accuracy is a little erratic as well, but some coach will think they can turn him around late in the NFL Draft.

3/29/10: Has nice size and athleticism, but Nevada's goofy offense hasn't prepared him for the pros at all. In 2009, Kaepernick compiled 2,052 yards, 20 touchdowns and just six picks, but also had a mediocre YPA (7.3) and completion percentage (58.9).

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
Height: 6-5. Weight: 229.
Projected 40 Time: 4.64.
Projected Round (2011): 5-7.
10/1/10: Jerrod Johnson had a 11-of-34, 194-yard performance against Florida International. There are no excuses here - Texas A&M is supposed to be a far superior team and you simply can't be this bad against FIU and expect to go in the mid rounds. We need to see great improvement out of Johnson before moving him up the rankings.

3/29/10: The 2011 version of Jarrett Brown. Jerrod Johnson has tons of upside, but is very raw and doesn't know how to play in a pro-style offense. As a junior, Johnson threw for 3,579 yards, 30 touchdowns and eight interceptions on a 7.2 YPA and 59.6 completion percentage.


Scott Tolzien, QB, Wisconsin
Height: 6-3. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.85.
Projected Round (2011): 5-7.
10/1/10: Tolzien reminds us a lot of John Beck when he came out of Brigham Young. He's smart and efficient, and has great timing, but he also has poor arm strength which really limits his ability to make plays at the next level. Tolzien has potential as a backup because he is a good decision maker and could possibly be a reliable veteran in time.

3/29/10: A first-year starter, Scott Tolzien shined in Wisconsin's pro-style offense, throwing for 2,705 yards, 16 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. His YPA (8.2) and completion percentage (64.3) were very good.
Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
Height: 6-3. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.74.
Projected Round (2011): 5-7.
3/29/10: Andy Dalton really improved as a junior, throwing for 2,756 yards, 23 touchdowns and eight interceptions. His YPA (8.5) and completion percentage (61.6) were solid.


Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama
Height: 6-2. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.94.
Projected Round (2011): 6-FA.
3/29/10: Should be a solid backup quarterback in the NFL. He did a great job managing Alabama's games, throwing 17 touchdowns to only four interceptions. His completion percentage (60.9) and YPA (7.7) of course won't blow you away.


Case Keenum, QB, Houston
Height: 6-1. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.83.
Projected Round (2011): 6-FA.
9/29/10: Case Keenum suffered a torn ACL in week three and this really hurts his draft stock. He looks like nothing more than a late-round pick or free agent at this point.

3/29/10: Case Keenum threw for 44 touchdowns and 15 interceptions on a 8.1 YPA and 70.2 completion percentage. He's a system quarterback and a mid-round prospect.
Kevin Riley, QB, California
Height: 6-2. Weight: 224.
Projected 40 Time: 4.66.
Projected Round (2011): 7-FA.
3/29/10: A pro-style quarterback who notched 2,850 yards, 18 touchdowns and eight picks on a 7.5 YPA in 2009. His completion percentage (54.7) was depressing. Oh, and Todd McShay thinks Riley is too short.



Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Adam Weber, QB, Minnesota
Height: 6-3. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.90.
Projected Round (2011): 7-FA.
3/29/10: Really struggled as a junior, throwing more picks (15) than touchdowns (13). His completion percentage of 52.0 was dreadful.


Ben Chappell, QB, Indiana
Height: 6-3. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.95.
Projected Round (2011): 7-FA.
3/29/10: Ben Chappell threw for 2,942 yards and 17 touchdowns as a junior, but also had 15 interceptions and a 6.9 YPA.


Taylor Potts, QB, Texas Tech
Height: 6-5. Weight: 218.
Projected 40 Time: 4.96.
Projected Round (2011): 7-FA.
3/29/10: Taylor Potts compiled 3,440 yards, 22 touchdowns and 13 picks on a 7.3 YPA and 65.7 completion percentage in Mike Leach's system. It'll be interesting to see how he adapts to Tommy Tuberville's scheme.


Mitch Mustain, QB, USC
Height: 6-3. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2011): FA.
3/29/10: Mitch Mustain may have trouble finding playing time in the next two years. He has the potential, however, to be drafted late, a la Matt Cassel
Zach Frazer, QB, Connecticut
Height: 6-4. Weight: 231.
Projected 40 Time: 4.81.
Projected Round (2011): FA.
3/29/10: Disappointed in 2009. Hobbled by a knee injury, Zach Frazer had a 10-9 TD-INT ratio, a completion percentage of 53.2 and a YPA of 6.7.

8/5/09: Will take over as the full-time starter in 2009. As a sophomore, Zach Frazer threw for 536 yards and two touchdowns, but also was responsible for six picks

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse


@ArmchairGM

dude, I hope you don't use a credit card purchasing online, if you know what I mean.

have mercy on us and hit submit one time. even a moron can get it right once in a while

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I see someone left the computer on at the mental ward last night and all the patients used it.


Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

T.J. Yates
QB
School & Year/Status: North Carolina - Senior
Jersey Number: #13
Height & Weight: 6'4 - 220 lbs.

2011 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:

person
T.J. Yates, QB, North Carolina
T.J. Yates has quietly been the steadying hand behind the North Carolina offense. The 6-4, 220 pound quarterback has not put up great numbers throughout his collegiate career, but he is a steady and smart passer who can run an offense at the next level. Even as a freshman when Yates was thrown into a starting role he performed quite well. Despite an offensive line that rarely gave him time to operate, Yates passed for 2,655 yards and completed nearly 60 percent of his passes. Yates was limited as a sophomore due to an injury, but in the seven games he played, Yates threw for 11 touchdowns and just four interceptions.
Yates was back and fully healthy in 2009, but again he felt a lot of pressure and was consistently forced to throw the ball earlier than he wanted. The result was 15 interceptions and 24 sacks. While Yates' completion percentage continued to climb, the interceptions were a big problem. In 2010 Yates was again spending a lot of time picking himself up from the turf. However, he had grown a lot and emerged as a leader. Despite being sacked 34 times, Yates made smart passes and only threw eight interceptions. His 18 touchdowns and 3,184 yards through the regular season were among the best in the Atlantic Coast Conference.

Perhaps the most impressive number from the 2010 season was Yates' 67.6 completion percentage. Even with all the pressure, Yates did a great job of making the smart pass and not forcing anything. His size, albeit slightly exaggerated, is a big plus. Listed at 6-4 and a product of a coaching staff with NFL experience, Yates can step into a backup role right away and that is not a bad deal for a team who can use a fifth or sixth round selection on a quarterback who can be a solid backup for many years.

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Lots of good prospects here, moreso than in the past 5 years, IMO.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Here are a couple of things to consider.

We can speculate all we want on why Philly allowed their QB to be traded within the division. But the fact remains they did and they did so for a reason; they didn't see him as a threat

Shanny inherited Fat Albert. To draw a comparison between McNabb and Fat Albert is stupid. One is a malcontent and the other is not

What has Shanny said from day one? The best player will play. Everyone competes. He isn't looking for mediocrity. He is looking for performance. If McNabb's agent wants to whine and defend mediocrity, let him. McNabb will have an opportunity to perform better elsewhere. Or he will not.

Posted by: erthdog | December 24, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

have mercy on us and hit submit one time. even a moron can get it right once in a while

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 9:55 AM |

What are you talking about those are all different post with different players.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

dude, I hope you don't use a credit card purchasing online, if you know what I mean.

have mercy on us and hit submit one time. even a moron can get it right once in a while

Posted by: hessone
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I don't know, Hess, I was communicating with DC Sween not you or Flounder, don't take it personally.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse


@ArmchairGM

let's guess, you're practicing your typing. the WaPo can use a guy like you

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I don't know, Hess, I was communicating with DC Sween not you or Flounder, don't take it personally.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 9:59 AM |

I wasn't complaining I enjoyed it I was telling hess that all your post were different he thought they were the same.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

All the Shanahans have to do to end this is shut up. Release McNabb and let everyone get on with life (until there is another problem they try to blame on someone else, then we will go through this again).

Um, weren't Shanahan and Allen brought in to end the melodramas?

Posted by: haunches | December 23, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Actually, no. They were brought in to win. And that's what they are trying to do. They have to amke roster decisions which will affect next year's roster. I have a lot of respect for DMac. But if he is not The Guy, then let's find out who will be The Guy. His $16 million salary is not worth it if he can't make necessary plays to win.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 24, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

If McNabb's agent wants to whine and defend mediocrity, let him. McNabb will have an opportunity to perform better elsewhere
by erthdog
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I took it as he's an agent just being an agent. If the Shanahans would quit it with the anonymous backbiting he wouldn't have opened his mouth.
I wish they would stop it, we could use the draft picks and the bad mouthing doesn't help anyone.

Already, the Cardinals have said they aren't interested in McNabb. I wonder if they would have made that announcement if the Shanahans had kept quiet.

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Oh and again, Hess and Flounder don't take it personally. I'm eager to move away from the detritus of this season, and I want to list the QBs so all of us fellas can't start arguing over who we should pick.

Thoughts and Opinions?
Well, Hess, actually I already know yours so I'll let ya' be. ( I'm a moron)

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

My main point is that first round QB, unless we can get some assurances that the guy will not bust (and for every Bradford or Sanchz, there is a Leinart), I think the Skins should get BPA ... LB, WR, or lineman, not QB.

Posted by: dcsween | December 24, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

My apologies Flounder, I was busy typing and THEN I read your post-my bad..

Anyways, whatcha' think?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

My main point is that first round QB, unless we can get some assurances that the guy will not bust (and for every Bradford or Sanchz, there is a Leinart), I think the Skins should get BPA ... LB, WR, or lineman, not QB.

Posted by: dcsween | December 24, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

My apologies Flounder, I was busy typing and THEN I read your post-my bad..

Anyways, whatcha' think?


Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 10:10 AM |

No problem,

Luck is the man but no way we get him, Mallett is very good but people are saying he is not a Shanny QB.

If we are going to wait until the second round I like the guy from Deleware.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

We can't get the assurances and obviously they aren't all going to hit, which brings me to.... do we take that QB or do we take the logical position for where we might be drafting this year, a DL?

I really like Adrian Clayborn, the Iowa DE and I love Nick Fairley, the Auburn DT.

Iowa produces high-motor guys and Clayborn is a natural 3-4 end, going about 6'4-285lbs.

Fairley is a Warren Sapp clone feisty, aggressive and very active.

Marvin Austin, the DT from Carolina looks the part, but everytime I watched him, he just didn't make plays. I'm rooting for him though, he's from Ballou High School, not too far from where I live.

Or do we take a LB? The Carolina bunch Carter and Sturdivant are outstanding
prospects and should fit in any scheme.

Von Miller is one of the few players I haven't seen this year, but the scouts appear to think very highly of him.

Again, this draft is deep, sigh, I hope Shanahan is up to the task with respect to his personnel decisons. It should be hard to screw it up.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

McNabb and the Eagles were 11-5 last year and McNabb went to the proBowl.

Jason Campbell and the Raiders are 7-7.

The Shanahans have been awful coaches this year.

You have to be able to adapt to your players strengths and be able to put your players in position to suceed.

Posted by: jimmyclausen | December 24, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

McNabb and the Eagles were 11-5 last year and McNabb went to the proBowl.

Jason Campbell and the Raiders are 7-7.

The Shanahans have been awful coaches this year.

You have to be able to adapt to your players strengths and be able to put your players in position to suceed.

Posted by: jimmyclausen | December 24, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

You have to be able to adapt to your players strengths and be able to put your players in position to suceed.

Posted by: jimmyclausen | December 24, 2010 10:25 AM

Problem is our players have no strengths, unless you count throwing dirt balls.

Wait a minute, didn't you just show in Carolina that you have no strengths either?

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 24, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, Mallett should either stay in school or lose some weight.

Right now, he looks like Derrick Anderson. He's very tall at 6'7, actually has a better arm and more control of his passes than DA, but at 250 some pounds, he's too slow. If he could get down to about 228-230, everything about his mechanics would speed up.

Locker is the wild card, He's wild, he had a rough Senior year and he looked better in years' past.

Having said that, he's a HELL of a scrambler with either 4.29 or 4.3 speed. He has a Cutler whip-type release. He was conscious enough of his shortcomings, that he stayed in school-many folks had him coming out and being number 1 overall in the Stafford/Sanchez draft as a soph.

It just didn't work out that way, Neuheisel took over as coach for the Huskies and again, the Senior year was rough.

One silver lining though, Cutler was almost the same player, but without the super speed coming from traditional weak-sister Vanderbilt and Shanahan took him and developed him. So he may look past the flaws and see the potential.
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Quickly, Leinart got a raw deal with the Cardinals/Whisenhunt and I have a soft spot in my heart for those types of guys. I was the one on here in the summer defending why I felt that way about Grossman, remember Hess-all of the board was like "I can't believe someone on here likes Rex", remember?

Now, I not going to say I told ya' so but....

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I was the one on here in the summer defending why I felt that way about Grossman, remember Hess-all of the board was like "I can't believe someone on here likes Rex", remember?

Now, I not going to say I told ya' so but....

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 10:33 AM |

Well, it's a good thing you're not saying I told you so after one game. That would be awful premature and foolish.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 24, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan developed Cutler? Is that an endorsement? Cutler has never had a qb rating over 90 and this is his 1st playoff season as a starter - not with Shanahan.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 24, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Looks like someone got their original handle back.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 24, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

@kerzon417-Good one. Both you and Jimmy have good points. I sure would like to see the Shanahans look hard at Fred Davis, these last two games, along with Perry Riley and Austin, the WR. Shanahan must try to take advantage of Davis can do, just a little more & quit worrying about what he can't do. And yes, we need some more talent.

Did you all know that we have one of the smallest scouting departments?

We have to change that pronto, if Shanahan is going to be the main personnel guy.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

McNabb and the Eagles were 11-5 last year and McNabb went to the proBowl.

Jason Campbell and the Raiders are 7-7.

The Shanahans have been awful coaches this year.

You have to be able to adapt to your players strengths and be able to put your players in position to suceed.

Posted by: jimmyclausen | December 24, 2010 10:25 AM |

We all know how great McNabb is he went to the pro bowl last year, well this isn't last year he played like sh-t this year most of the time.

JC17 is 7-7 no thanks to him, there running game is awesome and the only reason they have that record.

You suck and instead of being on here posting about sh-t you know nothing about, playing QB, you should be getting ready for your next a$$ kicking next week.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"You have to be able to adapt to your players strengths and be able to put your players in position to suceed."

And the QB needs to be able to run the plays the coach calls in and clearly McNabb can't do that. It works both ways.

This just wasn't a good marriage from the get go. Time to divorce and move on.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 24, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Actually not sure how that happened. It just automatically switched back...I didn't even notice it until you mentioned it. I like it. Welcome home to me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 24, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Von Miller is one of the few players I haven't seen this year, but the scouts appear to think very highly of him.

Again, this draft is deep, sigh, I hope Shanahan is up to the task with respect to his personnel decisons. It should be hard to screw it up.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 10:20 AM

Von Miller is a top 10 player IMO. Last year he showed he can rush the passer. This year he's played physical in the run game, and improved in pass coverage. He'd be a good compliment to Rak.

How this team approach the Jamal Brown situation in FA is important. If they see Brown as a viable option for the next 3-4 years, then the Oline can be addressed rather easily in FA. Get a starting C, and look for a LG and RT to compete with/backup the current Skins linemen. Build depth in the mid to late rounds in the draft.

IMO that's what I hope for because early in the 1st round DEs and OLBs are plentiful, and in the 2nd NTs and ILBs could be there as well.

Posted by: TWISI | December 24, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse


sorry guys, some folks post manifestos and makes for tuff reading

merry christmas

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Aw shucks the Scamp70 is gone? :-)
No, I'm referencing that I was saying Grossman got a raw deal in Chicago.

Remember how it went for him....
Hurt his 1st year
Hurt his 2nd year
Hurt most of his 3rd year, played in a few games at the end. The Bears faithful were eager as hell to get him on the field.
Starts most of his 4th year-takes the Bears to a SB as a 1st year starter.

Bears lose, the fans totally forget his circumstances and turn on him. They also forget he was playing against a hungry as a hell Peyton Manning, who was feeling the pressure to keep up with Brady and get a SB win. Unfairly, his name becomes a nat'l punchline somehow.

Grossman had a burgeoning chemistry with Bernard Berrian, I remember watching their games and thinking I had seen the next good QB/WR tandem in the NFL.

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Shanahan developed Cutler? Is that an endorsement? Cutler has never had a qb rating over 90 and this is his 1st playoff season as a starter - not with Shanahan.

Posted by: bangkokben
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C'mon, you know full well he didn't get a chance to finish the job, but before he left, Cutler was going along just fine and was considered a blue-chip franchise QB.

That's why I have a soft spot for these guys. They have one poor game or poor season and some fans will not forgive them for it.

How many 1st year starters take a team to SB? Grossman was basically a rookie.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Riggo2 I don't know if you're stupid or just dumb. Your entire post is filled with Palin-esqe thoughts.

Posted by: PEACE8 | December 24, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Riggo2 I don't know if you're stupid or just dumb. Your entire post is filled with Palin-esqe thoughts.

Posted by: PEACE8 | December 24, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

It's a down year. Another losing season. The roster needs to be reworked.

But at least we can all be grateful that we have competent professionals running the organization and making decisions.

Yup, this is the year that the reputation of the Skins as an organization has returned to respectability!

Posted by: p1funk | December 24, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

McNabb and his agent were put in the position of doing damage control because of the the benching was leaked to the media and how it was explained. Anyone who has received a poor evaluation can relate to what McNabb is going through, and McNabb's agent was left no choice but to resort using a sorched earth policy. McNabb has been criticized throughout his career, yet he has been a consistent winner until this year. Numbers don't always tell the entire story, nor does a person's performance over a short period, which can be affected by things outside of his control such as the offensive line, the running game, his receivers, and his relationships with his coaching staff. A good working relationship involves dialogue. If communication only goes one way in a relationship, which is what McNabb's agent is suggesting, the relationship becomes unworkable.

The strength of a man's character can be an x-factor, something that explains things not explained by the numbers. What bothers me about how the Shanahans is how they have, reportedly, secretly planted poisonous stories about player's work habits through Adam Shefter and others. If Coach Shanahan is, in fact, resorting to character assassination, which is how it appears to me, the Skins will never win a super bowl under him in today's NFL. If there is some basis for the allegations that McNabb has handled his business without the highest level of unprofessionalism, which may be the case, that doesn't excuse the indirect way the issue of a man's character has apparently been handled. These matters should be handled man to man, not by some wizard of oz hiding behind the curtain. I want the Shanahans to succeed, because that would meen the Skins will be succeeding. For this to happen, Mike Shanahan needs to step out from behind the curtain and handle his business man to man. Only then will he become the kind of coach we were promised.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | December 24, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

McNabb and his agent were put in the position of doing damage control because of the the benching was leaked to the media and how it was explained. Anyone who has received a poor evaluation can relate to what McNabb is going through, and McNabb's agent was left no choice but to resort using a sorched earth policy. McNabb has been criticized throughout his career, yet he has been a consistent winner until this year. Numbers don't always tell the entire story, nor does a person's performance over a short period, which can be affected by things outside of his control such as the offensive line, the running game, his receivers, and his relationships with his coaching staff. A good working relationship involves dialogue. If communication only goes one way in a relationship, which is what McNabb's agent is suggesting, the relationship becomes unworkable.

The strength of a man's character can be an x-factor, something that explains things not explained by the numbers. What bothers me about how the Shanahans is how they have, reportedly, secretly planted poisonous stories about player's work habits through Adam Shefter and others. If Coach Shanahan is, in fact, resorting to character assassination, which is how it appears to me, the Skins will never win a super bowl under him in today's NFL. If there is some basis for the allegations that McNabb has handled his business without the highest level of unprofessionalism, which may be the case, that doesn't excuse the indirect way the issue of a man's character has apparently been handled. These matters should be handled man to man, not by some wizard of oz hiding behind the curtain. I want the Shanahans to succeed, because that would meen the Skins will be succeeding. For this to happen, Mike Shanahan needs to step out from behind the curtain and handle his business man to man. Only then will he become the kind of coach we were promised.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | December 24, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

here is the reason for the Jarmon and Carriker altercation. As reported first by Kelly Johnson at Comcast Sportsnet, Jarmon found this tape of Jim Haslett singing at the Redskins Christmas party. Jarmon had mistakenly told everyone that it was Carriker singing. click the link to here the song!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk4woNRD7NQ

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | December 24, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

What's 18" long and hangs in front of an a-hole?

An agent's tie.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 24, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Rush Limbaugh must have been correct.


Rush's claim regarding D McNabb was that the NFL 'wanted' a black quarterback to succeed.

Problem was, Doug Williams already had.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 24, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse


I sure would like to see the Shanahans look hard at Fred Davis

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 10:40 AM |
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sorry about my mistake armchair

we know what we have in FD86. he's just another 2008 draft class bust. we must move on from the cerrato era. I'm sure that will happen with shanahan's ego and power trip in order

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Auburn's defensive tackle Nick Fairley is a Warren Sapp clone feisty, aggressive and very active.

Fairley is a top ten pick.

No one here would complain if we took him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 24, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

@TWISI
I keep reading the same things about Miller, I just wish I had caught some A&M games this year.
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I guess I'll see at the Combine. I like the rest of your ideas. We'll see how the CBA negotiations go...and J.Brown's body.

Though we have a billion needs, we can afford to go for the best player available in the 1st and I'll also agree, the LBs and DLs are plentiful. Not too many ways to screw this up this year.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Jim Haslett singing at the Redskins

The title of the song Jim Haslett sang?:

"Bad Defense"--the Lady Gaga remix

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 24, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

sorry about my mistake armchair

we know what we have in FD86. he's just another 2008 draft class bust. we must move on from the cerrato era. I'm sure that will happen with shanahan's ego and power trip in order

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 11:28 AM |

So are you suggesting we don't move on from the Cerrato era?

Shanny has an ego well he should be shot then because as we all know no other coach in sports has one of those.

He is on a power trip well maybe he wouldn't have to be such a d-ck, had these players not been aloud to do what ever the f-ck they wanted for the last 10 years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

is there some way to bring beathard and casserly back... maybe even raise jkc from the grave...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 24, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I sure would like to see the Shanahans look hard at Fred Davis

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 10:40 AM

After the Shanahans took a hark look at DM and AH, FD probably does not want the Shanahans looking his way.

BTW, nice job this morning, especially listing the QB info. Luck and Locker are the only 1st rd. QBs. Would be fine with Fairley in the 1st and QB 2nd.

Have little faith in Rex or Beck holding the job for more than one year.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 24, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse


we know what we have in FD86. he's just another 2008 draft class bust. we must move on from the cerrato era. I'm sure that will happen with shanahan's ego and power trip in order

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 11:28 AM |

So are you suggesting we don't move on from the Cerrato era?

Shanny has an ego well he should be shot then because as we all know no other coach in sports has one of those.

He is on a power trip well maybe he wouldn't have to be such a d-ck, had these players not been aloud to do what ever the f-ck they wanted for the last 10 years.


Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 11:37 AM |
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no flounder, I'm not suggesting we go back to cerrato if you read my post, so take a deep breath and relax.

shanahan and allen have brought new hope for a winning redskin organization

since we've been hoping for over a decade for a winner I'll just say, keep hoping and see what it gets you

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Rush's claim regarding D McNabb was that the NFL 'wanted' a black quarterback to succeed.

Problem was, Doug Williams already had.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 24, 2010 11:25 AM

Actually, all Rush said was that the MEDIA wanted McNabb to be a superstar and had overrated him in the process. He didn't say he wasn't good, or that he wasn't going to get better...just that he was overrated. In September of 2003, with McNabb's best football yet to occur, he was accurate. Watch the clip...most of the guys on the set agreed with him, including Michael Irvin who is heard saying "Rush has a point".

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 24, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Auburn's defensive tackle Nick Fairley is a Warren Sapp clone feisty, aggressive and very active.

Fairley is a top ten pick.

No one here would complain if we took him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 24, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse


No argument here.

Though I'd still want to bring in Haloti Ngata.

Not sure where we will get our QB of the future. In the second round?

Why not do what both Shannys have done in the past successfully and develop a young/mid-career QB they didn't draft? Griese, Plummer, Schaub? No, not Rex, though he can stick around as a backup.

But I like what I saw from 3rd year man Matt Flynn against the Pats...just sayin'.

Posted by: p1funk | December 24, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

since we've been hoping for over a decade for a winner I'll just say, keep hoping and see what it gets you


Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 11:53 AM |

What would you suggest then since you obviously don't think it can happen.

Snyder is not going anywhere so in your mind what is the next move?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

No Problem-

Fellas, I'm signing off for today. I've been at this all night( I know, I have no life !
:-)

Everyone have a hell of a Christmas. Hopefully, all of us and the country will be in better shape next year.

Deuces...

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 24, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

GB is as likely to let Matt Flynn go as Pitt was to let Dennis Dixon go last year. And I hope you are not suggesting trading picks for him. That is right out of the VC handbook for ruining an NFL team.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 24, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, you would be better off banging your head into a wall than to talk logic with hessone and pabrain. Your head will thank you for it.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 24, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

where's the newfunnydanny.com video???

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 24, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

We have to get a QB from somewhere you can't win consistently in this league with out a great QB. I know the Ravens did yeah one time, and I'm sure there are a few others. If you look at the teams that win consistently they have first round drafted QB's, Patriots being the exception how many more Tom Bradys are out there.

So either we draft a top flight QB with a top pick or we trade for a guy thats been in the league a few years who they think can be a great QB.

There's no other option we need a QB!!!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

GB is as likely to let Matt Flynn go as Pitt was to let Dennis Dixon go last year. And I hope you are not suggesting trading picks for him. That is right out of the VC handbook for ruining an NFL team.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 24, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse


No, I thought we would ask Green Bay to "pretty please" let us have him for free.

What should we do to avoid taking a page out of the "VC Handbook" for ruining an NFL team?

Draft our own QB in the first round? Nope - That would go under the Jason Campbell/Patrick Ramsey chapter.

I know! Trade for a ProBowl veteran QB! Yeah, that's the ticket!

Posted by: p1funk | December 24, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

MColeman

Rush said was that the MEDIA wanted McNabb to be a superstar and had overrated him in the process.


I don't know how any quarterback who leads his team to a Super Bowl and 5 championship games is overrated.

But then again, in Rush Limbaugh's world, anything with color in it isn't as good as the thing that lacks it.

The NFL at that time was awash with overrated quarterbacks of all racial stripes.

Why he didn't cite those other examples is an issue for him to decide.

And to somehow say that Mike Irvin's defense of Rush's claim hints at the truth in it is laughable:

Irvin and the other ESPN analysts later admitted Limbaugh's claims caught them off guard, and they later recanted and repudiated them.

We all know McNabb is a flawed quarterback--that's not debatable.

But once his career ends, you'd be hard-pressed to say he was overrated.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 24, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Agree with what your take Flounder, but this year is not the year to trade for a QB. I would be OK with trading 2012 picks for a QB, but not any 2011 picks. And we cannot afford to miss on the next QB (weather drafted or traded for) thanks to the huge miss with McNabb.

Skins have little leverage in any trades, so I would rather go QB in draft than trading for one this offseason.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 24, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse


What would you suggest then since you obviously don't think it can happen.

Snyder is not going anywhere so in your mind what is the next move?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 11:56 AM |
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why not build this organization from scratch and not go and sign FO, HC, and FA's that are designed to make a splash and fill seats. trading draft picks for older players are a mistake also. so tell me, what has changed besides the lame excuse that a rebuild will take 3 years.

HOGWASH

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@kerzon

sorry if I don't have the same respect for our loser owner that you do.

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

why not build this organization from scratch and not go and sign FO, HC, and FA's that are designed to make a splash and fill seats. trading draft picks for older players are a mistake also. so tell me, what has changed besides the lame excuse that a rebuild will take 3 years.

HOGWASH

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@kerzon

sorry if I don't have the same respect for our loser owner that you do.


Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 12:20 PM |

OK,

That would be a great plan build it from scratch and who is going to do that, you think Snyder can find the right young GM or coach to do that?

Full rebuilds like your talking about take longer then 3 years show me one team thats done it quicker.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Since VC is not here, I would be OK with drafting a QB in the 1st, rather than giving more than one pick in any trade for a QB.

You can ask nicely but am pretty sure that GB knows what they have in Flynn and would not give him up for a mid rd pick.

Fans are fickle and want everyone else's shinny toy. Time we develop some shinny toys of our own. Since this is not a two year project, I am willing to show a little patience if this FO is really in re-build mode.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 24, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

sorry if I don't have the same respect for our loser owner that you do.

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 12:20 PM |

hess, I have zero respect for danny boy. But since he is not going anywhere I am not going to waste my every breath bit ching about what a sad owner he is. Cuz it is a waste of breath since my voice means nothing to little danny.

But that one string banjo you play gets mighty tiresome.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 24, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I used to put McNabb in an elite class of athletes when it comes to having class. He's just dropped own several notches with this.

Allowing his agent to put out a statement like this is beyond pathetic. This is pure, unadulterated, slanderous garbage. It's as simple as this: McNabb played poorly, he got benched, and now he's pissed. Everything else is smoke and mirrors, deflection from the real issue, and placing the blame everywhere else but himself.

I just lost a load of respect for McNabb. I felt bad for him on Sunday and wished him well, but at this point I could care less what happens to him in the future. I wouldn't bat an eye if he fell off the face of the NFL earth.

Eff McNabb and his unceremonious slandering sidekick. If it weren't against NFL rules, I'd give him the Haynesworth treatment for this and send him home for the season.

Note to McNabb and his p*ssy agent: you sucked this year and you got benched because of it. Deal with it. Grow up McNabb.

Posted by: psps23 | December 24, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

psp,

Agree if they felt so bad this whole season why did they sign the extension with the Skins instead of testing the FA market.

Maybe because they knew he was playing bad and he wasn't going to get very much come FA time.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

As Gen. Lucian Truscott said during WW2, "No sumbiddy, no commander." (I had to paraphrase to get this posted!) If nothing else, this lost, wasted season has shown that Shanny is a commander. Everyone knows who runs the Skins now.

Skins need to stay the course. Rebuilding ain't fun for fans, & will take 2-3 yrs minimum. But to do anything else would simply add to the dysfunction that has destroyed this once-relevant franchise. We may not love the way he does it, but Shanny will get the job done.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | December 24, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

We don't need McNabb's agent to tell us that a coach who hires his son has already got issues. Best guy for the job?

Posted by: Mark20005 | December 24, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Skins need to stay the course. Rebuilding ain't fun for fans, & will take 2-3 yrs minimum. But to do anything else would simply add to the dysfunction that has destroyed this once-relevant franchise. We may not love the way he does it, but Shanny will get the job done.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | December 24, 2010 12:32 PM |

True the funny thing is the people that hate Snyder want him to fire Shanny after 1 year so they can still hate him for doing what they hated him for in the first place.

As with any bad situation it gets worse before it gets better.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

We don't need McNabb's agent to tell us that a coach who hires his son has already got issues. Best guy for the job?

Posted by: Mark20005 | December 24, 2010 12:35 PM |

Lots of coaches hire there sons the only difference here is his son actually started in his career with another coach and was a good OC before coming here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I believe when Marty Schottenheimer was here he had his son Brian as QBs coach.

There's nothing wrong with it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 24, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

What some folks don't seem to grasp is that Dan Snyder needed a strong willed HC or GM in order for Dan to get hands off. This was not going to happen with any young coach or young GM.

If MS is fired, peeps may as well go find another team to root for cuz it will be more of the same. And you may even see VC come back. Careful what you wish for.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 24, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

For people saying they should change there offense for McNabb BS who does that no coach changes his offesne for a player.

They twick things and none of us know if that happened for Mcnabb because we are not there.

The only coach I know of that changed his entire philosophy was Gibbs 1.0 and he had no choice he was a first time coach that was 0-5 and about to be fired.

Gibbs 2.0 didn't change his offense because he knew it could be successful. Shanny's offense is proven in the league they made a bad choice in trading for Mcnabb but they realize that and are moving on.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

How about know what player fits in your offense, BEFORE YOU TRADE AWAY THE FUTURE....AGAIN! Or, go with who you've got.

These guys are tards. Debacle!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 24, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Leave the country for a week and this is what happens? McNabb proves himself a cancer after Grossman shows him up, players fighting over weights, and blithering idiots have taken over RI. This season just keeps getting worse. It never seems to hit bottom for the Redskins or for Redskins Insider.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 24, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Rich Tandler tweet

Shanahan: Rob Jackson will start for Orakpo. Not a good sign for Chris Wilson #Redskins

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 24, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Why did McNabb sign the deal in November?
Dec 24th, 2010
by Rich Tandler.
A few observations on Thursday’s PR skirmish between Fletcher Smith and Mike Shanahan:

What I would really like to hear Smith address is why his client signed that contract in November. The deal gave the Redskins a great deal of leverage and left Donovan McNabb with no control over his future, all in exchange for an additional $3 million and change this year. Did the issues with Kyle just emerge starting Nov. 15 when he signed the deal? This came two weeks after the Detroit benching and the questions about McNabb’s grasp of the offense and his cardiovascular endurance were bandied about by Mike Shanahan. Did McNabb and Smith not realize that there was trouble in paradise at that point?
The timing was odd. It is an old Washington tradition to release bad news late on a Friday afternoon so that it fades away quickly over the weekend. With Smith making his statement fairly late on the day before Christmas Eve, he was essentially making it in the “let’s get this out and then bury it” Friday time slot. Shanahan had spoken early Wednesday afternoon and addressed some of what McNabb said on his radio show on Tuesday. However, Smith chose to wait for about 26 hours to make the statement on behalf of his client. It seems that his audience was not the fans, many of whom were stuck in their cars in traffic on their way to their holiday destinations. Smith wanted to limit the exposure of his message to the general public while making sure that the other 31 NFL teams got the message.
After referencing leaks earlier in the statement, Smith says this: “After Donovan quickly led the Redskins down the field and scored what appeared to be the game saving drive against Tampa Bay, Kyle was quoted as saying “He’ll (McNabb) never take another snap for me again.” Remember that statement came after Donovan led the Redskins on one of their best drives of the entire season.” The source for that quote, which if fairly damning, is not cited. To whom did he say it and exactly when?
Was it really necessary for Mike Shanahan to respond with a statement that hit my inbox at 7:26 PM? He didn’t say anything that he hadn’t said before, he apparently just wanted to say it last. I suppose it will give him something to refer to when he addresses what should be a small media group on Friday. But, really, it’s time to move on.
Smith closed his statement by saying this: “Donovan has maintained a high level of professionalism on and off the field. He is determined to continue his relentless commitment to win and looks forward to the opportunity wherever that may be!” Those last four words turned the very slim chances of McNabb returning to Washington next year to absolutely none. Despite what Shanahan said on Wednesday about considering having McNabb return in a backup role in 2011, it is over. The backup deal never was going to happen anyway as they are not going to pay McNabb that $10 million bonus.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 24, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

McNabb stinks. As a Redskins fan living in the Philly area I could see this coming better than most. Those who thought it was a good thing McNabb coming here, may you reap the whirlwind.

The only thing that makes me doubt Shanny is the fact that he did not see McNabb's shortcomings before he traded for him. And then it took him 13 weeks to realize McNabb stinks. And stink he surely does.

I said to a friend, an Eagle fan, last week, that if the Skins' offense scored three TDs against Dallas then Shanahan is vindicated in his decision to start Rex. You know how that turned out. Those who thought Rex couldn't do it didn't realize how bad McNabb stinks.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 24, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Dies,

Great article I have been trying to get the Shanny bashers to anwser that question but none of them will. They just like to cry they have no real anwsers.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Tandler: "Why did McNabb sign that contract in November?"

Because he had the biggest nincompoop agent since Arrington's. Did either of them even read the contract? Next they'll be claiming that "Oh, the Redskins changed the contract after we read it."

This is about the only contract that would give the Redskins a chance to trade McNabb. Arizona or who-knows-where can take a look at McNabb over the summer and in pre-season and, if he performs like he did this year, they can cut him at zero cost. Even if they like what they see, they can cut him and renegotiate a lower price since no other team in the league wants to take him on the day before the season opens. This will end with McNabb suing his agent for incompetence.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 24, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse


But that one string banjo you play gets mighty tiresome.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 24, 2010 12:27 PM |
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what do you call talking about which college QB we should draft over and over ? how about what a loser AH is over and over ?

everyone on this board has their repetition. mine is that you can post all you want to about change, but change is not going to happen as long as the same mistakes are being made, and the same mistakes are being made. new faces, same owner, same results

that said, you can hammer out who we should draft till you're blue in the face. this FO will only be good at salary cap and that's it. allen and shanahan don't know their ass from a hole in snyder's head

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Reports coming out of the park from John Kiem that Mcnabb is actually distancing himself from his agents statements.

This proves to me the Shanny's are right and Mcnabb has no credibilty agents don't make those statement without the clients approval.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Jarmon and Carricker are slugging it out in the weight room

Team McNabb and Team Shanny have drawn their own battle lines

So much for peace on earth and glad tidings to all, huh?

Posted by: edvar | December 24, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

that said, you can hammer out who we should draft till you're blue in the face. this FO will only be good at salary cap and that's it. allen and shanahan don't know their ass from a hole in snyder's head

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 1:49 PM |

Really who says you, Shanny has drafted some very good players and he's 100 times better then anyone we have had here for 10+ years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back beep-beep. You should really tell us when you're taking an extended vacation from the blog.

At your advanced age...some of us work that you've taken a permanent vacation.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 24, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like mcnabb's agent is concerned about his percentage of salary next year. The Redskins after all did look a lot better on offense this past week without ncnabb, and grossman is not a great qb.

Posted by: jmy999 | December 24, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

d-44 -- Wrong assumption. Read this blog. People who take a "permanent vacation" don't have "advanced age." More like "advanced intelligence."

Posted by: beep-beep | December 24, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse


Really who says you, Shanny has drafted some very good players and he's 100 times better then anyone we have had here for 10+ years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 1:53 PM |
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he's drafted good players and bad, as all GM's before him. he's much better than past HC hirings.

how can a HC study football for a year and the first thing he does is trade precious draft picks for a washed up, cry baby QB ?

and let's not forget the lower pick for jbrown. I'd rather gamble with a fresh draft pick that is a bust then taking a gamble on a player you know has a very serious injury he needs to rehab

amazing how folks continue to support this mess

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Orakpo out

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"allen and shanahan don't know their ass from a hole in snyder's head

Posted by: hessone | December 24, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse"

Yea, what morons those two are. I mean they've only combined for 7 Super Bowl appearances and 2 titles as members of coaching staffs or front offices. Same old Redskins, indeed.

We need to gut this franchise of the cancerous Shanahan era and start over from scratch. I'm talking a new head coach, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, and schemes. Let the new coach bring in his own players. If the old players don't fit his system or if they aren't willing to do what he deems necessary, then they can either sit the bench or take a hike. Let him bring in a culture of accountability where salary and compensation don't matter, only performance on the field. Let him rebuild this thing from the ground up. And give him confidence that you plan to proceed with patience in his rebuilding phase.

Then 14 weeks into his first season, deem him a colossal failure for failing to take this team to the Super Bowl, and start the process all over again. Because, damnit, if you can't do it in your first season, what good are you to the Redskins.

Posted by: psps23 | December 24, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

OK I've had enough of this lying idiot agent crybabying his way through the papers. "boo hoo, Kyle is a bad man, he don't like my client McChoke! he don't let my client do whatever he want! he so mean!"

what a jacka$$.

I can't wait until this creep takes his whiney show and his dumb old washed up black QB the heck out of town. go smear another coaching staff when you can't win and can't learn the offense. morons, both of them.

Posted by: greatteamdan | December 24, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

MORE PROOF THIS AGENT IS JUST A FLAT OUT LIAR

By Chase Hughes
CSNwashington.com

REDSKINS PAGE | REDSKINS VIDEO

One day after Donovan McNabb’s agent Fletcher Smith released a statement in defense of his client Washington Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan decided to respond through the media.

Speaking to reporters Shanahan called the numerous accusations levied towards him "disturbing," "entertaining," and "a joke." He also said that he and McNabb met face-to-face to discuss the situation and have since cleared the air.

Shanahan contends the McNabb himself denied several of the statements Smith made. He also said that the quote that Fletcher Smith cited him as saying was made up and completely inaccurate.

Kyle Shanahan also added that his relationship with Donovan McNabb is still “workable” and that they “never had a confrontation all year.”

Smith said in the statement that Shanahan had added extra screen passes to the gameplan to help Rex Grossman deal with the Cowboys’ pass rush.

"To hear we had a different offense for Rex was a joke," Shanahan said.

Head coach Mike Shanahan declined to comment on the situation but said he plans to meet directly with Smith to discuss the matter

Posted by: greatteamdan | December 24, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I love all the geniuses and NFL experts on here complaining about Shanahan. wow.

we have so many crybaby fans who either don't want to rebuild when there is no other choice, or they see racists in every corner when their black QB can't cut it any longer on only his second team. with fans like these, who needs enemies?

grow up or switch to the Cowgirls, losers.

Posted by: greatteamdan | December 24, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Reports coming out of the park from John Kiem that Mcnabb is actually distancing himself from his agents statements.

This proves to me the Shanny's are right and Mcnabb has no credibilty agents don't make those statement without the clients approval.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 24, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse


Not surprising. I'm sure its part of the orchestrated PR plan.

Just like the Shanny's attempted orchestrated PR plan earlier in the year to try to make DMac's fitness an issue.

Posted by: p1funk | December 24, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Mike and Kyle showed their shortcomings as coaches when they apparently refused to adapt their game to McNabb's strengths/weaknesses. I don't believe that Kyle didn't fashion his offense in Houston without taking into consideration Schaub's positives and negatives.

Instead, Kyle came out of Houston thinking it was specifically his scheme that worked, when in fact it was just as much a product of Schaub's skill set as well.

On the other hand, Gibbs at his best was brilliant at tailoring his scheme to the players he had. And he had to change over the years because Ryp, Theismann, Williams were not exactly the same. Similar perhaps in some ways, but not the same.

I also don't buy this idea that Shanahan and Co. are devaluing McNabb and Haynesworth. The other GMs and coaches around the league and they know those players. And they know the Shanahans. Certainly there were plenty of people who, when McNabb was being traded, had lots of negative things to say about him. But that didn't stop Shanahan from taking him. I think you gotta give those other people a little more credit. They don't act on emotion as much as everybody seems to think they do. (Pure speculation on my part of course.)

Posted by: fan-o-matic | December 24, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Well lot's of opinions on both sides of the argument. My thoughts are that DM has had some good and some terrible moments during this year, but his public face has consistently been positive. The Shannahan's have proven to me to be egotistical liars that will cover for each other no matter what. It was a BAD decision for the head coach to hire his son to be on the staff. Good coaches make adjustments to accomodate the players, this staff seems to be made up of my way or the highway guys. I don't think any of the players or coaches on this team has proven ANYTHING this year that makes me feel confidence going forward. After all they are in last place in the NFC East and the NFC East is certainly not the powerhouse of the NFL. They're ALL a bunch of losers and should ALL be fired. Nuff Said.

Posted by: BigR22 | December 24, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

SHANNY SHOULD HAVE CUT KICKER GANO LONG AGO, THIS TEAM COULD BE .500 if GANO WAS A NFL CALIBER KICKER. Instead Gano is a high school level kicker, Gano is probably KYLE SHANNY'S BROTHER. THE SHANNAHANS ARE A JOKE. No QB in the league could of lead this pathetic team to the playoffs, the offensive line is the worse, and the kicker is straight out of high school. When are people going to realize that the Shannahans coachinges are stubborn idiots, just like Holmgren's mess in the other Washington. If

Posted by: truewashingtonfan | December 24, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

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