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Grossman over McNabb? Here's the argument against.

In e-mail we've received recently, many Insider readers have suggested that the Washington Redskins should bench Donovan McNabb and start backup quarterback Rex Grossman.

The thinking, if I read it correctly, is that Grossman has a better grasp of Coach Mike Shanahan's offense because he worked under offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan with the Houston Texans. Since he understands the offense better, readers have explained, he undoubtedly would be more productive than McNabb, who is struggling to learn the offense and is struggling on the field.

The thing is, even Grossman probably wouldn't make such a move. Although it's true he has a better feel for the offense than McNabb, Grossman does not possess McNabb's physical tools -- which are still better than most at the position in his 12th season -- or playmaking ability.

Many quarterbacks know where balls should go on each play. Getting it there while being pursued by large, violent men is the hard part. McNabb has made plays (anyone remember some of his throws late in the overtime victory against Green Bay?) to help Washington win that Grossman simply is not capable of making.

No disrespect intended to the professional Grossman, but there's a reason why he's a backup. Actually, many reasons.

He helped the Chicago Bears reach the Super Bowl in his best season as a starter in 2006 (3,193 yards passing, 23 touchdowns, 20 interceptions), but he failed to keep the job and no longer is considered a starting-caliber NFL quarterback. That's not a criticism. It's a fact.

The Shanahans have modified some things in the offense in an effort to help make McNabb more comfortable, according to people familiar with the situation, and they're also working with his mechanics. Obviously, Mike Shanahan wants more from McNabb, who is still working with a one-year deal.

It's unclear whether Shanahan will offer McNabb a lucrative multiyear extension, but this much is known: Of the quarterbacks currently on the 53-man roster, McNabb gives the Redskins the best chance to win this season.

By Jason Reid  | October 27, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman  
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Comments

Talk about this next year...Tell the haters to shut and watch the game.
McNabb should and will start.
Non-issue.
Move on...

Posted by: fat_back | October 27, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Why don't these idiots' who are critical of McNabb put on a football uniform and play that porous offensive line of the Redskins? McNabb has to virtually run for his life on every play.

Posted by: nmyricks | October 27, 2010 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Why don't these idiots' who are critical of McNabb put on a football uniform and play that porous offensive line of the Redskins? McNabb has to virtually run for his life on every play.Look at what has happened to Favre, Romo, Aaron Rogers. The only issue to decide is how long will McNabb be able to take the pounding he has been taking and still get back on the field? Grossman? Halloween is a few days away.

Posted by: nmyricks | October 27, 2010 7:15 AM | Report abuse

These are the same people that think everything that Shanny does is wrong too and that the winning record is just "lucK". That's the problem with interactive material on the internet...it gives an endless forum for the hyper-critical observer to tell the world how much more he knows about football than the Hall of Fame Coach. Pllllease!

Posted by: Jason10 | October 27, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Allow me to list the problems here.

First off our O-line is struggling. (I know I just stated the obvious).

Second: McNabb is playing injured. The guys ankles are so taped up he looks like he's getting ready to hit the slopes not the football field. Don't forget this guy also has hit more big plays this season than almost any QB in the league.

Third: the coaching staff. Yes I said it! You DO NOT try to have a 12yr pro bowl vet change his mechanics!! What the hell is that!!?? it's not just McNabbs play that is off. The whole offense is struggling trying to get this system down. Kyle Shanahan is calling plays like he still has the squad he did in Houston. He needs to adjust to his personnel. If you think I'm wrong look back to the Colts game when we got in the red zone running off tackle and on third and short the man calls a toss sweep!!!! With Torrain!!?? really!!?? This staff needs to understand its players as much as the players have to learn the system.

Posted by: skins91r | October 27, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

There are people who have written to Reid to say Grossman should replace DM?

GROSSMAN?

Really?

Show us these letters. Because until I see the evidence, I ain't believing anyone would seriously say such a thing, never mind 'many' of them.

Posted by: craig81 | October 27, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Is this April Fool's day??

Posted by: fearturtle44 | October 27, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

O-line is struggling, and You DO NOT try to have a 12yr pro bowl vet change his mechanics!!

Posted by: skins91r | October 27, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Have to agree with this. Also the 8th graders writing in for a QB switch probably haven't experienced Rex floating the ball down the seam if he gets pressured. We're lucky to have him but McNabb can make plays.

What does that mean? It means under pressure, on 3rd and long in our territory when we are trailing, he can somehow find Cooley for 13yds, or connect with Moss over the middle and get us out of trouble. Not pretty, only crucial.

Give McNabb better protection, keep working at it and leave his damn footwork alone.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 27, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

McNabb is playing way below his personal average. Particularly he is turning over balls at abnormal rate.

McNabb just did not forget to play football in 6 months. He is going through change just like rest of the team.

McNabb will catch up with his average and then go beyond that as running game gets going. But this O-line is hopeless.....

Posted by: SeedofChange | October 27, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Is this April Fool's day??

Posted by: fearturtle44 | October 27, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, this deserved a post? this is the stupidest argument I have ever heard. Rex Grossman? We talking about Rex Grossman! Bench a Hall of Famer with gas left in the tank for Rex Grossman? We talking about Rex Grossman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rc2223 | October 27, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Other than a stronger arm, McNabb's physical tools aren't necessarily better than Grossman's. What's important is that McNabb makes the smart throw, rather than the spectacular. McNabb has a quicker release, to boot.

Also, how do we know that Grossman understands the offense any better than McNabb? Junior WANTS the offense to do a lot of things that are simply impractical against opponents like the Bears, Packers, Colts, or even the Rams. McNabb knows what Shanahan wants, but you'd have to be demi-god in order to actually execute some of his ideas.

All this nonsense about learning a new "system", as if it's a foreign language, is an excuse. The reality is that coaches sometimes have bad ideas. They aren't the geniuses you think they are.

Posted by: jboogie1 | October 27, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

What the...?

Sounds like a strawman argument to me. I have haven't heard anyone (sane) suggest that Grossman should start over McNabb.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 27, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

What the...?

Sounds like a strawman argument to me. I haven't heard anyone (sane) suggest that Grossman should start over McNabb.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 27, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Well I think the email(er) was between J Reid and one of his c0-workers and this article is a bunch of crapola...first of all a majority of the offensive problems aren't because of McNabb i.e. false starts, holding penalties dropped balls and offensive line missing blocking assignments and or getting beat...yes McNabb has had some bad throws but it's the other things listed that stall and or end drives. This offense which has a new QB, O-coordinator head coach still has one of the same problems which will hamper it from time to time that being the failure to incorporate other players into the offense by this I mean don't always look for Cooley and Moss opposing teams know in certain situations where the Skins will go with the ball that's why when you do finally decide to go to a Sellers, Davis, Armstrong etc., it usually results in a big play.

Posted by: papaskynz | October 27, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

These are the same people that think everything that Shanny does is wrong too and that the winning record is just "lucK". That's the problem with interactive material on the internet...it gives an endless forum for the hyper-critical observer to tell the world how much more he knows about football than the Hall of Fame Coach. Pllllease!

Posted by: Jason10 | October 27, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse
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I believe Shanny is an excellent coach. That doesn't mean he can't be wrong. I disagree with the play calling last week. When your average starting field position is around your 45 yard line and particularly after turnovers, you have to immediately take shots down field. Baltimore tried a flee-flicker last week immediately after a turnover and scored. Establishing the run is great for the long haul, but sometimes you need to try and score quickly.

Posted by: edavis291 | October 27, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

skins91r: You DO NOT try to have a 12yr pro bowl vet change his mechanics!!

Yeah, heaven forbid the coaches actually COACH the players. People make WAY too much about the Redskins COACHING McNabb on his footwork. When you play a sport that involves precision and consistency, there are days when you struggle with what you are ordinarily good at.

Ever seen a veteran pitcher struggle to locate his fastball? Soemtimes you need someone to advise you about what you are doing wrong and/or what you are doing right.

Also, as McNabb ages, his arm strength will decline. He may have to make some adjustments if he wants to stay in the league much longer.

Posted by: jboogie1 | October 27, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

It is the part about a 12 year vet having his mechanics retooled that bothers me. Perhaps McNabb used to get away with this when he was younger and relied more on his legs, but there have been far too many underthrown, overthrown and totally horrible passes thrown by him to ignore. Unfortunately, there is a long history of McNabb being inconsistent, enough so that Reid was willing to part with him. My guess is that next draft we are definitely looking at the quarterback position.

Posted by: driley | October 27, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of who starts at the QB position, the evidence shows there needs to be better play.

What I'm seeing from McNabb is what I expected when he arrived. The position is one that definitely has to be dealt with.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | October 27, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone in their right mind think that McNabb was all that this team needed to turn it around?

Posted by: bierbelly1 | October 27, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Corey Lichtsteiger sucks, and putting Grossman back there wouldnt change that fact. This was the WORST oline in the nfl last season, and now people are looking at Mcnabb as if he's never pressured and just cant play.

Ridiculous.

Posted by: divi3 | October 27, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

and it's truly shocking that Mcnabb isnt having more success with Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams. Clearly, Rex Grossman could hit those guys downfield for long td's. Shame to watch them running wide open every week as Mcnabb struggles to find them. Uh-huh.

Posted by: divi3 | October 27, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Mc Nabb has the leadership and decision making abilities and the physical skills to get away from defenders and keep the play alive. He is a steaky passer - which is why he was available in a trade. No one is going to trade a Peyton Manning....

Overall I believe him to be an improvement over Campbell and way better than Grossman.

To get a better test of his abilities we would need to have a better O line and better Wide Receivers.

Posted by: Rohit_33410 | October 27, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Does McNabb has "playmaking ability" if he has yet to actually make a play?

I only ask because I keep hearing about this awesome skill, but I don't recall seeing it, here or the past couple or three years in Philadelphia.

Posted by: JimmieBise | October 27, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

THIS SOUNDS COMPLETELY MADE UP! No one is e-mailing them about this.

Posted by: wbbradb | October 27, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

its a genetic failing among football faithful in the DC area. first their daddy's wanted Billy if Sonny was starting or Sonny if Billy was playing. in this generation its become a simple matter of hating whoever starts and gazing longingly at the QB furthest down the bench. its revolting!

Posted by: mdrockjock | October 27, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Yes, McNabb has playmaking ability and understands the system, its called not fumbling the ball when he is blindsided every game, running for his life every other play and keeping it live, instead of being sacked like Jason Campbell would have been or Grossman would be. He makes tons of plays just by shifting around in the pocket, moving around, and using his size to not get sacked as much as he should. As for know the offense, its called hike, then run for your life, and then try to find a average receiver if he gets open.

McNabb, please stay in DC and dont listen to the morons/haters, they easily forget last year and think these wins have nothing to do with your composure and leadership, sorry you have to deal with morons.

Go Skins!!!!

Posted by: cm88 | October 27, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Does McNabb has "playmaking ability" if he has yet to actually make a play? ....

Posted by: JimmieBise | October 27, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse
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I believe Skins scored 10 points including a 80 yards touch down in 4th quarter to beat the Packers.

Also, Skins scored a 4th quarter touch down against Colts to make it a 3 point game in 4th Qtr.

I did not even mention Houston game.

Just to add, Eagles won 5 NFC East in 10 years with McNabb; while Skins won 1 NFC East in 18 years with 4+ newly drafted and 4+ old QB's.

Posted by: SeedofChange | October 27, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I thought one fo the commentators said that Grossman, when healthy, is one of the most accurate passers in the league (during preseason).
He looked pretty good and I'd like to see what he can do, plus it might motivate McNabb to work harder to change his throwing style for better accuracy, as the Shanahans are reccomending.

Posted by: Redskinrex | October 27, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

..What? I don't think anyone would actually want McNabb benched for Rex. I still attribute most of his inconsistencies with the poor oline play. He isn't protected consistently enough. That's why we'll see this offense look so great for one drive then the next look like the worst in the entire league.

JimmieBise, clearly you haven't been watching any of the games. For as poorly as McNabb can play sometimes, he has made plenty of plays with his legs. How many times has he escaped a sure sack and made a big play happen when it looked like nothing was there? Has happened many times this season.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 27, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I challenge J Reid to produce more than three e-mails from people demanding McNabb be benched for Grossman.

This article is complete nonsense.

I'm not sure what amazes me more -- how low J Reid will go to stir the pot or how the Post lets him get away with it.

J Reid must have a problem with the new regime. Maybe it's because they sent his mancrush Jason Campbell packing. Whatever it is, it has led him to write a series of articles that are so one-sided, so sloppy... the guy is just a flat-out embarrassment at this point, folks.

How bout all those stories about Devin Thomas? Yep, he was a huge talent unfairly benched by Shanahan, alright. That's why he was inactive in his first game in Carolina. Apparently he has not impressed in practice.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | October 27, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

and it's truly shocking that Mcnabb isnt having more success with Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams. Clearly, Rex Grossman could hit those guys downfield for long td's. Shame to watch them running wide open every week as Mcnabb struggles to find them. Uh-huh.

Exactly. I laughed when I read this cause I'm one of the guys whose still complaining that they cut Devin Thomas. We have 3 actual receivers (if you include Davis, who gets no passes) so it should surprise no one that our offense isn't clicking on all cylinders. As for Grossman, frankly, I won't dignify that suggestion with any comment at all.

Posted by: mcgintyman | October 27, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Fans are fans. Sportswriters are Sportswriters. Coaches are coaches.

Ask us fans, but don't take the fans seriously.

Donovan is the best quarterback the Redskins have had since Brad Edwards.

Posted by: jbfilbud1 | October 27, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Who are these people? I really find it hard to believe that there is any kind of serious groundswell to bench McNabb.

Posted by: ouvan59 | October 27, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Oh, boy. I have no idea who is the better QB, I don't see them enough to comment. But I do see a guy who is struggling and making too many bad passes for every good one he throws. I also know that for five years we had the worst QB ever and people kept defending him, and you know the results. McNabb may be a hall-of-famer but not from his play this year. If the Skins don't believe in Grossman, for other than emergency duty, then it is time they really look around because what they have is not working. It is crazy to think of a long extension for DM the way the team is built - He is not the answer for the future of the team.

Posted by: hock1 | October 27, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Oh, boy. I have no idea who is the better QB, I don't see them enough to comment. But I do see a guy who is struggling and making too many bad passes for every good one he throws. I also know that for five years we had the worst QB ever and people kept defending him, and you know the results. McNabb may be a hall-of-famer but not from his play this year. If the Skins don't believe in Grossman, for other than emergency duty, then it is time they really look around because what they have is not working. It is crazy to think of a long extension for DM the way the team is built - He is not the answer for the future of the team.

Posted by: hock1 | October 27, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Maybe McNabb should follow the sage advice of ol' Zorny and 'get low'...lol

How many times can it be said: it starts with the line of scrimmage. Whoever controls that, usually wins.

McNabb is running for his life, same as JC did last year. They addressed the line by bringing back Dockery, bringing in Jamal, keeping Heyer. The Rook is the best athlete on the line, why is THAT? D. Thomas gone, Gaither not brought back, the Albert debacle, no draft picks, poor trade options, etc.

It's still fallout from previous poor decisions made by Synderatto. And now you got Shanny the GM (Allen's a rah rah throwback like his Pops but c'mon) making matters worse.

Fix the damn line, fix Butter's hands, fix Doughty period...do SOMETHING

Posted by: kahlua87 | October 27, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

"Donovan McNabb is struggling to learn an offense that backup Rex Grossman has a better grasp of."
Where did you get your English degree?

Posted by: almd1 | October 27, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Are you kiddin' me? Why are we talking about replacing a QB that is one of the main reasons we are 4-3? We're winning, guys! Come on, Redskins fans!! D. McNabb is not playing great, but guess what guys, the 'Skins are 4-3! If D. McNabb gets hurt, put in R. Grossman. Simple, right? Support him, man. Peace.

Posted by: williamjr38 | October 27, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

The Post is just trying to stir up controversy. McNabb is doing fine.

Posted by: thorhero | October 27, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Wait let me understand here: some genius actually thinks it would be a GOOD idea to replace a multi-pro Bowl QB in McNabb with Rex Grossman?!!! You all have got to be kidding me. I thought I'd heard it all but DC has got to be the breeding ground for the world's funniest comedians! Don't worry folks, next year the McNabb nightmare will be over, and can have your Grossman. Me, I'll be rooting for the Ravens! Enough is enough. First folks were hollering 'cut Haynesworth' like a bunch of dopes -- now we should bench a healthy McNabb. I sure hope some of you folks don't operate heavy equipment for a living.

Posted by: guisher | October 27, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Only an idiot would start Grossman over McNabb. Thank goodness Vinny Cerrato is no longer involved with the team.

Posted by: tomgill21 | October 27, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't suggest Grossman as a starter, but at one point on Sunday, I wondered if he'd get a series. We're nursing a slim lead and McNabb was playing like absolute garbage - a couple forces that resulted in pick-six, fortunately one of them overturned because his clock mis-management resulted in a delay of game, so no play. Maybe pulling McNabb for a series will let him know the leash isn't unlimited and remind him mission one is do no harm - protect the ball.

He's shown reminders of what he once was, but if you look at his body of work across the season, he's really struggling and it's not always as a result of breakdowns in protection - he's off-target on deep balls, he's underthrowing intermediate routes, he's forcing some balls into coverage or when he'd be better served to just take a sack, he's not taking the first down dump off when it's available to extend a drive. Is he an improvement over anybody who's played that position for us in the last 6-10 years? Probably. Has he proven himself to be a good return on the investment of multiple high draft picks? Has he given reason to extend him beyond this season at Pro Bowl QB numbers? Absolutely not. Until the CBA situation is resolved, I can't see them signing him - guys like P.Manning and Vick could potentially be on the market (in Manning's case, only if the Franchise Tag goes away), so depending on the rules on spending and those guys' desires, there could be viable replacements on the market if he plays out his deal and reaches free agency.

Posted by: csh2000 | October 27, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I believe 5 needs to play better to justify a big $$ extension but his intangibles alone have helped a 6-10 team arrive at 4-3. There is no doubt who the offensive leader is, but he must improve to continue to earn it. If we can find a way to be the Lions (they are favored by 2.5), I believe offense and health will improve over the bye week and we may be able to compete as we face the killer part of the schedule. Rex is a good back up, but 5 is a potential HOFer.

Posted by: gbraxton7 | October 27, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to see Grossman unless we are up 40 points in the fourth quarter. And then I would still hold my breath hoping he doesn't throw the game away. You would have to be certifiably insane to start Grossman over Mcnabb.

Posted by: tomgill21 | October 27, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Another brilliant piece of writing from Jason Reid. Sets up a straw man argument and knocks it down. The Redskins insider has fallen to this level where we are forced to read useless so called "insider" pieces such as this. Next article to feature, "Logan Paulsen over Chris Cooley? Heres the argument against".

Posted by: jdd4p | October 27, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

No QB [by far] has taken LESS snaps from Shotgun than McNabb. To ask a 12 year gimpy verteran to run back 7-10 yards [after a playfake] and then scour the field for the correct through is so 1985. Why the hell Kyle or Mike beleives in this last century game plan is beyond me. Most QB's take at least 50% of thier snaps from Shotgun to allow for line imperfections and suspect running games. The question we must ask is..why no shotgun in 2nd and long and 3rd and long? The answer will be revealing.

Posted by: rdondero123 | October 27, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

This may be the most ridiculous post, yet. A discussion on whether McNabb should be replaced with Grossman? You can't be serious.

Posted by: themantoyou | October 27, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Are people really clamoring for this change? Have they never actually watched football over the past 5 years?

With all due respect to Rex, he is not a starting caliber QB and, even in his Super Bowl year, was more of a Trent Dilfer than anything else.

I believe I may be one of the only Skins fans (at least the only one amongst those with whom I've spoken) that actually cannot stomach McNabb as a Skin (a man who was the face of your enemy's franchise for a decade plus should never, ever, ever be your QB) but I'd take McNabb as my QB every single time over Grossman.

Posted by: imageaid | October 27, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

BRING BACK COLT!!!

I kid b/c I love.

Speaking of kidding...

"Also, as McNabb ages, his arm strength will decline. He may have to make some adjustments if he wants to stay in the league much longer.

Posted by: jboogie1 | October 27, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse"

Really? He's throwing, what, 60-70 yards in the air now and you're worried about McNabb's throwing distance? I think it's more about readiness and accuracy than distance here.

Posted by: WorstSeat | October 27, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Even though I think the Post is making this story up, and I can't imagine a bunch of e-mails coming in asking for Grossman to start (unless Grossman's Mom has gone on an e-mailing crusade) ... the simple fact of the matter is that even if we had Joe Montana, Peyton Manning or Sammy Baugh trying to play behind this horrible O-line, with our misfit group of wide receivers, and the play calling ... they'd all have about the same results.

Every sportsfan in America knew at the end of last season that we needed major O-line and wide receiver upgrades. With one exception (drafting Williams) the staff choose to duct-tape those areas all up again ... and cross their fingers by using old, injured, retred type players.

Instead of fixing what was really broken they've created a ton of more needs by dumping 33% of our team (including most of our QB's, RB's and WR's) and trying to redesign our entire defensive scheme ... which just clawed it's way up from being ranked dead last in the NFL to being 2nd to dead last in the NFL.

I think our biggest problem this year is that the new staff tried to fix everything all at once and has bitten off more than they can chew ... at least if they wanted to try and stay competitive while they fixed things.

People don't want to seem to acknowledge that we've been stripped down and are in a complete rebuilding mode, and that all of our wins so far have been due more to luck, than a quality product being out on the field.

I'm hoping that all of these changes will slowly start to turn the ship around, but if you take a real honest look at the majority of our player positions, there's a ton of upgrading that still needs to be done. (QB, RB, WR, O-line, D-line, LB's).

Our weak O-lines have been killing our offensive production for so many years now it's rediculous. Most of our old QB's, RB's and WR's have looked worse than they really were because of the constant breakdowns in the line.

Until we upgrade at least 3 more of those guys, we're going to get the same results no matter who our QB is.

And Oh yea ... Dockery on the bench is just plain crazy.


Posted by: FootballCardSnatcher | October 27, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

If "The thing is, even Grossman probably wouldn't make such a move." then why have Grossman as a back up? If he's so bad that everybody, including him, knows you can't put him there then what's the point?

Posted by: thor2 | October 27, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Well, McNabb has to improve. But then again, Armstrong, Davis and Cooley need to hold onto the football too.

How many times have we seen players drop balls in key situations that ended drives that looked promising?

The other factor is the OL.

Trent Williams is the real deal but he has not been 100% for several weeks.

Jammal Brown still is not back to 100% and appears to be toughing it out at perhaps 75-80% on Sundays.

Inside Dockery has been benched and the 295 pound Lichtensteiger is now next to the 289 pound Rabach.

The Redskins are giving up a huge size/strength disparity against the DTs we face each week.

The best performing quarterbacks have the talent but they also have the line.

McNabb doesn't have consistent protection from the OL and as a result often has to try and make a throw before he is set or on the run.

That is not going to lead to a passer rating in the 90's.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | October 27, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

This is without a doubt the dumbest blog entry in the history of the Redskins Insider. The headline itself is offensive, despite the question mark.

The Washington Post will try anything to generate attention. I really wish they would just report the news, but they just can't help themselves.

Say what you want about the Washington Times, but on days like this I really miss their sports page.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 27, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

You mean the "brilliant" mind of Kyle Shanahan could concoct an offense that 12 year veteran QB McNabb would have a problem grasping? Be serious!

Posted by: why231 | October 27, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

how can anyone think about starting Grossman over McNabb? Really? Where have you been the last 12 years? Where have you been this season? The offensive line is still a work in progress. The reason McNabb is having more success than Campbell did, is because of McNabb's knowldge of the game and his physical tools. Oppenents are still getting in the backfield on a regular basis.

Posted by: poeticfire | October 27, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"Readers" are so idiot and stupid. But the coaches are not, they know what they are doing, and as a loyal Redskin fan should be happy with this regime for long, "Hail to Redskin", we are back to the glory day again....

Posted by: bigskin04 | October 27, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

are you f-ing kidding me????? reid at his usual stuff....wow....Grossman....ohhhh m an. McNabb at age 50 will be better than Grossman during the Bears super bowl run a few years back

Posted by: NYskinsfan2 | October 27, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I guess readership is down. Reid why write this?

Posted by: JDB1 | October 27, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Hmmmm. This was suppose to be our year so many of you said with the biggest trade of the off season. I still respect DMcNabb but like I've been saying all along, no qb will be successful without a healthy o-line period.

McNabb is playing the same way he did in Philly. We beat Philly a couple of times with Campbell as our QB. Yes McNabb is an upgrade because of his resume but he is getting older. He can't run like he used to and I knew he would need to do a lot of running on this team. We gave up draft picks again and released a young stud in Devon Thomas. Where is this team going? If we're going to rebuild , then let's just rebuild all the way with young talent.

I was wondering how long it would take b4 the haters started hating on McNabb too. Don't let Trent Williams go down. I sure hope we beat Detroit this weekend because if we don't a lot has changed but then it again it really hasn't.

Posted by: JWADE4 | October 27, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I enjoy coming on here and reading about my skins but I must agree with a few people above that this is the dumbest post I have seen all year, maybe even the history of this blog. Any one who thinks we should start Rex Grossman is an idiot. HTTR and Lets go Beat Detriot! Lets Go #5!

Posted by: cgassripMeast21 | October 27, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Would someone please fire this fat tub of lard?

I did like you in the fresh prince of Bel Air though, as will's uncle. But I'm not liking you as the redskins insider.

Posted by: aj3380 | October 27, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Where's Patrick Ramsey when you need him ???

Posted by: Raidersfan2 | October 27, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

How many other 12yr QB w his share of pro-bowls would admit some of his footwork\mechanics can be improved and that even w his tenure is willing to do so? mcnabb has and is........ I don't know about anyone else, but even w his bounce passes I'll take his leadership and calmness any day....along w the fact he is one play aay from the spectacular play...so he like the rest are rebuiding.........

this is a BS column--making up crap to have something to write about.......

go 'skin's! be focused,l ready and intense and get some payback up there in mo-town from the embarrassment of last nyear and lets get to the bye 5--3!!!!!!!!!1

Posted by: tabtool | October 27, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who says the OL is hopeless is suffering from 2009 season amnesia. We are so much better there, especially with Trent. That being said, there's still a great deal to be done. More learning by the current players, another sensible draft that emphasizes the line, and so on.

McNabb is the best player on the team, IMO. He gives up hope, as the record reflects. I wish they'd hurry up and get the extension done.

Sexy Rexy? I'm glad he's there as a backup. No doubt he can provide valuable insight for Donavan, and would be serviceable if he went down.

Posted by: bostskin | October 27, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Grossman's immobile. He'll get killed behind our O-line. Besides, its Donovan's team, for better or worse; Allen/Shanny handed him the keys when they signed him. A change other than for injury will bring back some of last year's division & dysfunction.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | October 27, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

How quickly people forget the incompetence of Jason Campbell.

McNabb's body strength(that Grossman doesn't have) has allowed the Redskins to avoid numerous sacks.

Yes McNabb has run hot and cold, but making a team takes time. Skins don't have a ton of receiving options, and one of McNabb's best options on the Eagles(a running back who is really good as a receiver) is not something the team has either.

Redskins 2009: 4-12
Redskins 2010(so far): 4-3

Things aren't perfect, but this is a ridiculous idea.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | October 27, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

This has to be a made up topic. Only the most fringe fans would make such a suggestion as benching McNabb for Grossman. What a joke. It is said the backup QB is always the most popular guy on the team, but no way in DC. When Shannahan shipped off Campbell and brought in Grossman he was ensuring that there would be no competent backup. No offense to Rex, but he's a few rungs short of Heath as a QB and hopefully he'll find similar success in his next career.

Posted by: zickzack | October 27, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

The Skins aren't going to sign him to a long term deal.

Posted by: dbunkr | October 27, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

what's all this talk about benching DMc-5?

McNabb is the best QB we've had in years. The O-line needs to start protecting better and the receivers need to catch the freakin ball!!! Davis had a dropped pass, Moss had a dropped pass, Sellers had a dropped pass, Armstrong had a dropped pass. Too many inconsistensies that are more relevant and needs to be addressed than McNabb. He makes plays, end of discussion. He'll light up the stats this Sunday against the Detroit Kittens

Skins 35 Lions 12

HTTR!!!

Posted by: alucard1 | October 27, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I heard this idiotic question brought up the other day on the radio. Please think of something better to discuss. Perhaps do a piece on how Snyder spends his days now that Vinny is gone. Now that would be worth talking about.

Posted by: richs91 | October 27, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

We wouldn't be where we are without McNabb - we're in the thick of things with him. While he seems to be struggling somewhat, I point the finger at the offensive line and too many dropped right-on-target passes by the receivers.

Posted by: seaduck2001 | October 27, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I am a McNabb fan who used is now supporting the 'skins because of McNabb.
Throughout the years, while it is a well deserved criticism that McNabb is inconsistent during the course of a game...He has perfect drives followed by duds the rest of the season. McNabb offers some intangibles which few quarterbacks around this league can offer. Those 8 10 yard runs...the dancing around the pocket when it collapses around it...not fumbling for the most part when he gets hit..these things keep his team in the game and his rocket arm always gives you a chance to get back into the game at any point.
McNabb is still learning this offense.
At some point this season he will be fluent in this offense and if the defense can still play the way it is playing today and the receivers can get their timing down and stop dropping balls...Watchout the Redskins are going to the Superbowl...I said it here. Thats what McNabb gives fans...hope...how many QBs in this league give it to you every Sunday.

Posted by: footballfan5 | October 27, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

The folks who want Grossman to QB are the same clowns who wanted Colt Brennan to start, in the past. It is a little disappointing that McNabb isn't doing better, but that has to do with a new system plus a lack of talent around him. My guess is that he will be much better at the end of the year and even better next year, with some better talent around him. (oh yeah, and a little better play calling from the coaching staff) Patience is something that most of us don't have; but this team was 4-12 last year and is 4-3, so far, this year.

Posted by: Phillip258 | October 27, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Vince Young thinks McNabb is dumb.

Posted by: sjp879 | October 27, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The folks who want Grossman to QB are the same clowns who wanted Colt Brennan to start, in the past. It is a little disappointing that McNabb isn't doing better, but that has to do with a new system plus a lack of talent around him. My guess is that he will be much better at the end of the year and even better next year, with some better talent around him. (oh yeah, and a little better play calling from the coaching staff) Patience is something that most of us don't have; but this team was 4-12 last year and is 4-3, so far, this year.

Posted by: Phillip258 | October 27, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

benching mcnabb is about the dumbest redskins comment i've heard all season; it might be THE dumbest. slow news week, maybe?

Posted by: papple | October 27, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

benching mcnabb is about the dumbest redskins comment i've heard all season; it might be THE dumbest. slow news week, maybe?

Posted by: papple | October 27, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

The real question is not whether Grossman should start in place of McNabbb, rather, will the Skin's push to sign McNabb to a long term contract.

A realistic "What If?"...

What if the season ends with the Skins not making the playoffs, a QB rating for McNabb in the 70s and having thrown more interceptions than touchdowns (which is the case now)?

Would the Skins want to fork over big money to secure him?

I don't see a contract extension anytime soon as the jury is still out on McNabb and I'm sure Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan will want the season to play out in full to not only see how he performs but also to see if the can stay healthy heading into 2011.

Posted by: ddgibson | October 27, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure there are readers suggesting we invade Canada too.

Although it was a difficult achievement, you have written your dumbest report. Congratulations Jason Reid.

Posted by: Chigliak | October 27, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

You've got to be kidding me... This might be the absolutely ridiculous article title I've seen in a long time.

Please, Jason Reid, there must be something more interesting to report.

Posted by: krisandtodd | October 27, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The fact that I read this post shows that quarterback controversies do indeed attract readers. That's the only reason I can think of for Jason to write this. There's no quarterback controversy here.

Now, Jason, for your next readership trick, please post that some people want the Redskins to change their name.

Posted by: pundito | October 27, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Wonder how McNabb would do with the Cowboys receivers??? The Skins need a #1 receiver. Plus our offensive line is average at best.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | October 27, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS A JOKE. THERE SHOULD NOT BE A ARGUMENT PERIOD THIS IS THE BEST QB WE HAVE HAD IN 15-20 YRS. THIS IS RIDICULOUS WASHINGTONPOST SHOULD TAKE THIS DOWN WHY ARE YALL TRYING TO START SOMETHING. ITS DONOVAN ALL DAY POINT BLANK PERIOD. WE FINALLY GET A GREAT QB AND YALL WANT TO BENCH HIM ALREADY, WHAT WOULD OUR RECORD BE WITH JC OR REX RIGHT NOW??????????????

Posted by: skins4life5 | October 27, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Reid you are better than coming out with these amateur antics that are more befitting of the clowns who suggested them. McNabb is 4 and 3. SHUT UP HATERS.

Posted by: mjwies11 | October 27, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Pretty stupid to even bring this up. McNabb is the QB. Grossman has never shown the ability to be a productive starter. He is there for one reason and one reason only....to play if McNabb gets hurt.

Posted by: jdumb | October 27, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Grossman for McNabb?!? Kinda like ODonnell for Castle in Delaware. How to you think THAT will work for the GOP? Please, let's not be so stupid.

Posted by: spooky2 | October 27, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Dude, how lame an article, you're trying to stir things up....you must be a young "trying to make it writer"....relax, and stop writing like a comic book writer, and write like a professional should.

First, you don't title your column with, "Time to change at QB", let's try, "What if"....then you can go into why Grossman is not the quarterback equal to McNabb.

So, change your diaper, stop poking out your lips, and grow up and be a real sports writer.

Thanks

Posted by: weaverf | October 27, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

McNabb has me feeling uncomfortable. He throws low and innacurate way too often. Why doesn't he correct this? Long balls have a 30-70-% to getting completed (70% no). He has a good running game also. Having said that, if Armstrong and Cooley catch those two early passes, maybe he gets in a groove and plays better. He has been average thus far (compared to the other NFL QB's). Skins seem to be winning in SPITE of McNabb. He has yet to drive down the field in the closing minutes to pull out a game when it was needed. Maybe he is hurt and it affects his mechanics? Either way, if I am Shanny, I convince him to pretend he is hurt and plug Grossman in on Sunday. McNabb would have two weeks to refresh and work on his mechanics. How much worse do you really think Grossman would look? Can't be worse than average.
He has to improve. Period.

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | October 27, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

These are the same folks that think Peyton Mannings grow on trees or there is another Tom Brady waiting to be drafted in the 6th round of every draft.

These are the same fools that thought Colt Brennan was the answer too.

Posted by: oknow1 | October 27, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

why waste space with this article.

Posted by: malimal992 | October 27, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

A couple of more caught passes last week and McNabb looks a lot better. The team is winning and I'm just happy to see a quarterback who can go long effectively. He looked better than Cutler last week, and apparently Donovan has something that Cutler doesn't. A working brain.

Posted by: curtb | October 27, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks McNabb should be benched needs to be checked into the football insane asylum, better known as Texas Stadium. Because that is where all the crazy people go who think McNabb doesn't give the Skins the best chance to win.

The O-line would not protect another QB any better than they are protecting McNabb. As well, McNabb didn't cause Armstrong and Cooley to drop passes right in their hands on Sunday against Chicago. McNabb did cause the D-lineman from Chicago to break free nearly untouched and tip the pass that was intercepted and returned for a TD. It takes 11 men to make an offense work and on occasion every QB throws a pick. What a QB can't control are drops right in the hands of the receivers, deflections off a receiver that turn into a pick and his line not protecting him.

Get real anyone who thinks McNabb needs to be replaced. Be thankful we don't have Zorn, Spurrier or worse, Norv Turner as our coach. Those were truly nightmarish teams to watch.

Posted by: mjbrooks1963 | October 27, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Given the lack of blocking and the normal adjustments a quarterback has to make when joining a new team - MCNABB is doing a GREAT JOB.
Rex Grossman has a strong arm but he's guilty of trying to force the ball - doesn't read defenses that well, isn't as mobile or strong.
It would be foolish to abandon McNabb for Grossman.

Posted by: agapn9 | October 27, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Can we just assume Shannahan might actually know what he's doing?

Posted by: Trout1 | October 27, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Actually, nobody knows Kyle Shanahan's offense better than Kyle Shanahan, so clearly he should take over the QB job.

Posted by: etin | October 27, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The Problem vs Chicago was not McNabb, it was the play calling.

You cannot expect to have success continually calling play action passes, when the defense is blitzing and ignoring the play action fakes. They need some quick 3 step drop passes so the qb can see the blitz, screens or rollouts, its the play calling not the QB.

Also Ried is a gossip just trying to get a reaction on here, the Post has no sports writers left except Boswell, the rest are drama queens.

Posted by: twpw | October 27, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse


Grossman took DA BEARS to the Playoffs in 3 of 4 Seasons he started. He also took them to the Super Bowl.

Since he left.....Nothing.

A lot of Bears fans now suspect Grossman was cut WAY TOO SOON.

Posted by: chicago77 | October 27, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Starting Grossman over McNabb? This is just a story for the sake of making a story.

There is no way the Shanahans would consider benching McNabb. I'll reiterate a comment I made yesterday: this is just as much DM05's fault as it is with the rest of the offense.

Two INTs came off of Hail Mary passes, so in reality, DM05 has five legitimate INTs. There have also been too many drops especially this past weekend (although to be fair the Redskins receiving corps has the fewest drops among all teams).

Anothony Armstrong, while he has been good, shows some inexperience and should have two, maybe three, more TDs than he has now.
AA13 definitely dropped what would have been a 50-yard TD reception against the Bears.
Against the Eagles, his 57-yard wide-open reception where he stumbled should have gone for 16 more yards for a 73-yard TD reception.
Against the Cowboys, AA13 might have a five-yard TD, but I'll admit that the pass was covered very well. While the ball was in AA13's hands, it was a 50-50 shot that simply went the other way.

Cooley had that HUGE fumble off of the screen pass, and that was a potential TD, but there were too many defenders IMO for that to happen. That seven-yard reception was negated by the illegal bat penalty.

By simply ignoring those two Hail Mary INTs, DM05's rating is somewhere around 79-80; however, just by removing the many mistakes the receivers made especially this past weekend, I could see DM05's be around 83-84.

The theme in the NFL through Week 7 of 2010 has been "statistics don't matter," and it should remain that way. I'm not in any way defending DM05's terrible performance against the Bears, but he and Shanahan have clearly motivated the team in a way that is winning games. Grossman never has and never will be a solution.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 27, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

And the argument for? There are two sides to the argument. I'd like to hear the other side too you know.

Posted by: dc1120008 | October 27, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Grossman took DA BEARS to the Playoffs in 3 of 4 Seasons he started. He also took them to the Super Bowl.
Since he left.....Nothing.

A lot of Bears fans now suspect Grossman was cut WAY TOO SOON.


Posted by: chicago77 | October 27, 2010 1:28 PM
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Fair question by JReid...
The only time you can really compare Rex and DM was when they played with the same OLine and personnel in the preseason.. and Rex did play better. Otherwise, the comparison is really conjecture given Rex has not come in during regular season game speed to "pinch hit" for DM and thus provide some same situation comparisons.
By the way, it is interesting that Jason Campbell has a better red zone percentage than McNabb, right now. Who would of bet on that?

Posted by: onanygivensunday | October 27, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Let's help Jason generate some more Insider ideas:

"The Case Against Firing Shanahan"
"Why the Redskins Shouldn't Forfeit the Rest of Their Games for No Reason"
"Some Readers Think Coaches Should Try To Injure Players Before the Game--Why This Might Not Work"
"Should the Redskins Start Punting on First Down? I Say... Maybe Not?"

Posted by: wbbradb | October 27, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm not surprised. Only redskin fans would suggest and be serious about such an idiotic move. I believe it's partly why they are where they are - mediocracy city, because someone in the skins organization is listening to them and getting their word back to Snyder.

Posted by: keedrow | October 27, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Replacing Donovan McNabb with Rex Grossman makes as much sense as replacing Halle Berry with Joy Behar and moving from Tuscany to a trailer park.

Posted by: wellscats | October 27, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Why even write this article when we are trying to focus on the positive and capture momentum? We are 4-1 in the NFC and 2-0 in the division. Lets stay focus on Detroit. If we beat them we'll be 5-3 and 5-1 in the conference with a bye. Discernment Jason, so many other things to write about rather than instigate.

Posted by: washdc11 | October 27, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post will continue to put ridiculous statements like this up to drive up response numbers. Don't post comments to garbage like this and they won't do it.

Posted by: jmissale | October 27, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Why is this not a fair question? QB rating in the dumps and unable to pull throgh in the clutch. If we were talking about let's say a Mr. David Carr in place of McNabb would you yahoos be so quick to dismis sthe question? He is not doing great. Granted, he is a good leader and that may offset his damn accuracy problems but do not sit there and say this question needs not be asked. McNabb needs to be accountable for his play like any other QB.

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | October 27, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

There must be a million rumors the WashPost can make up now that the trading deadline has passed.

So let's start by making up and spreading a rumor about benching our quarterback. That would be the starting quarterback who has returned the team to winning ways and the playoff hunt. After all, he's not perfect and not even the best in the league, right?

It's good way to sell newspapers.

Posted by: dcc1968 | October 27, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

MUST BE A SLOW NEWS DAY, COME ON MAN... WASHINGTON POST WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?

Posted by: mriley0223 | October 27, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

What is it with some Redskins fans and their love of mediocre backup QBS? It goes back to the days of Billy Kilmer.

Posted by: js_edit | October 27, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Until reading the Washington Post this morning, I was probably going to let Donovan's McNabb's performance slide, as despite his best efforts the Redskins won. Now the Post article has given me some pause, and I wanted to address where I stand on the Redskins quarterback situation.

If you have followed my writing in the past, you know that I was against acquiring McNabb from the beginning. I believed that the cost was too high in terms of draft picks for a one-year fix at Quarterback for a 4-12 team. Even if they resign him, that has no value in what the Redskins gave up to acquire him. Also, it has been made pretty clear that McNabb wants Brady-Manning money, which I don't think he comes close to deserving. While McNabb represented an upgrade, it was a short term fix, and would take a good (not great, and certainly not elite (i.e. Franchise) quarterback. Not to mention to take him out of the one system he has run his entire career, and surround him with inferior weapons, and a weaker offensive line. This was not a recipe for success, despite the Redskins 4-3 record.

To read the rest of Steve's article check out: http://fanspeak.com/steveospeak/2010/10/27/redskins-need-to-keep-mcnabb-as-the-starter-but-hold-him-accountable/

Posted by: bmurph24 | October 27, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

What a stupid comment to suggest! I would take a one-handed, one-legged McNabb than a healthy Grossman or even J Campbell anytime because of one word, "Hope". There is always "Hope" that McNabb will make a play or two at the end of a game where as Grossman and J Campbell have absolutely no "Hope" to rally a team to victory in the end. Yes, J Campbell lead a 59-14 victory over Denver, but Oakland had over 300 yards rushing! 300 YARDS RUSHING! Denver must really suck but someone had to win between the 2-4 teams.

Posted by: JohnWWW | October 27, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I have never bagged on any of the Reid or his predecessor but....dumbest post ever.

Posted by: charlievox | October 27, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Change QB's?

Are you high or just have nothing to write about?

Next subject!

Posted by: DaveLopan | October 27, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

a ridiculous line of discussion. I'm sure Jason receives crazy emails about all sorts of things. Doesn't mean the idea is worthwhile discussion. Benching McNabb is just not a credible idea. And yah, his play has been spotty, but his receivers have been dropping easy passes and all to often can't get open. He can't catch it for them too. With a roster of good receivers and good line protection, he'd look like a great QB.

Posted by: fansince78 | October 27, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry McNabb will be hurt soon so it'll make the question moot. By the way what physical skills are we talking about here? Throwing the ball into the ground? Mismanaging the clock? Running up to the line of scrimmage slowly during the hurry up offense???

I'm sorry brother, They're even. In fact other teams would probably worry about Rex the Wonder-dog more than Grass-cutter McNabb.

Posted by: Dog-1 | October 27, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

If you were McNabb would you rather play for the Shannys or your ex OC (who just happens to play 11/16 games in a dome each year and has a great OL and running back) who will be looking for a QB next year?

Please bench McNabb and let him rest for next year. I would much rather watch the Vikings every week than you guys.

Posted by: mikenchicago | October 27, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow are things this bad in the media world already? Can't think of a story, generate a quarterback controversy. Or, is this coming from Dan "THE GENIUS" Sndyer? What are the TV ratings doing? Radio?

What BS.

Posted by: 44fx2901 | October 27, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

DM is like any other athlete. You get stuck in a rut and you need someone to take a look at what and how you are doing your job. Look at professional golfers they all have a swing coach. It is not a complete overhaul. If DM didn't believe in the coaching staff he wouldn't even give it a try. What are they gonna do...bench him?

Posted by: pgcops1 | October 28, 2010 5:16 AM | Report abuse

DM is like any other athlete. You get stuck in a rut and you need someone to take a look at what and how you are doing your job. Look at professional golfers they all have a swing coach. It is not a complete overhaul. If DM didn't believe in the coaching staff he wouldn't even give it a try. What are they gonna do...bench him?

Posted by: pgcops1 | October 28, 2010 5:17 AM | Report abuse

Makes no sense..how did this even make it into the post? He had nothing to write about so he decides to write something so unbelievably dumb to make everyone mad..thanks! I can think of a million better things to write about.

Posted by: adambishop | October 28, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter what we do this year at QB. We're probably not going to the playoffs with the schedule we face in the second half. In fact, Dallas may end up doing better by getting a higher pick. Also, I think that DM will not resign here, give the Favre situation in Minnesota. He would rather play with Randy Moss, I think.

We should try to target Matt Barkley from USC.
He may be the next Montana.

Posted by: supattapone | October 28, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Jason,

You state, "It's unclear whether Shanahan will offer McNabb a lucrative multiyear extension. . . "

Last time I checked, big DAN writes the checks and along with Bruce, makes the signing decisions. Shanny is the coach and would have some input, but he does not these final decisions on personnel issues.

How soon some folks forget. . . .

Posted by: csquare67 | October 28, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Note that the reason you sign McNabb quick and forget about Grossman is that he has two abilities that No other quarterback in Washington has had in 5 years.

1. Intuition in getting rid of Ball.

2. A Doctorate degree in reading Defenses, right up up until the ball is hiked.

This all leads to a quality that someone else referenced above. Hope.

Posted by: GoPost1 | October 28, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Johnwww wrote that Dm gives us hope to pull out a win? When? He did not do it against Texans, Rams, or Colts. We have been fortunate with the Eagles and Cowboys when all we needed was a TD to put the game away. DM has not playyed well and for any of you thinking that this is new you are nuts. DM played the same way in Philly. INCONSISTENT. He has to play better. Period.

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | October 28, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Johnwww wrote that Dm gives us hope to pull out a win? When? He did not do it against Texans, Rams, or Colts. We have been fortunate with the Eagles and Cowboys when all we needed was a TD to put the game away. DM has not playyed well and for any of you thinking that this is new you are nuts. DM played the same way in Philly. INCONSISTENT. He has to play better. Period.

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | October 28, 2010 9:33 AM
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His inconsistent play took Philly to 4 NFC title games and 1 super bowl.

We'd take that kind of inconsistent play in a NY minute here in DC.

Did DM#5 suddenly forget how to play football or is he saddled now with both a putric OL and a lack of depth at WR. He proved in Philly that he can be successful with a lack of one or the other, but now he has neither.

Moss is the #5 WR in the NFL. Who is throwing him the ball?

Cooley is the #4 TE in the NFL. Who is throwing him the ball?

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | October 28, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Just took a quick look at some stats and came up with this.

John Elway's first season with Coach Shanahan: 3,970 yards passing, 58% compl, 26tds 14 ints and an 8-8 record.

McNabb's projected first season: 4,025 yards, 57% compl, 14 tds, 16 ints and a 10-6 record.

Anyone remember Elways 2nd, 3rd and 4th years under Shanahan? Denver had the 1st, 1st and 3rd ranked offenses in the NFL to go along with a 39 - 9 record and two Superbowl Championships.

I know it gets frustrating to watch players go through the transition. But give the whole team this whole season to learn, give Shanahan another offseason to retool and add a few chess pieces and the Skins will be crazy good next season.

I'm a Bronco fan(now Redskins fan too) and would give my right arm to have a coaching staff like the one you guys have in DC.

And as far as the people that disagree with coaching McNabb on his footwork after 12 years... Shanahan did the exact same thing with Elway, only it was Elways touch on the ball that he made him change. After Elway started taking some heat off the ball, his completion % shot up, his accuracy and touch got way better, and it helped save his arm for another year or two.

Posted by: millertime3852 | October 28, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Professor,
I do not care about what he did in Philly with a different team and a different coach. I am talking about now. Am I the onky one watching the games? The Texans game was the only truly great game he has had and even then he failed to put the game away in the end. That is what I am talking about. What game has HE won for us? The D allows more than 19 points average per game and we would be 0-7. The D does not score points for us and we would be 0-7. It is a team sport right? So it's all good and I love that we are 4-3. All I am saying is that DM has disappointed with his 70 QB rating. What argument can you possibly give?

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | October 28, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I've never been compelled to comment before this. These "Insider Readers" need to pack up and leave DC immediately. Just head up north a hop skip and a jump and begin rooting for the Ravens. Commenters who agree, please root for any other NFL team. The Skins are supposed to have the most educated fans, you have all failed to prove your worth and should be following the Giants or Eagles with all of their meathead fans.

Posted by: EPVV | October 28, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Professor,
I do not care about what he did in Philly with a different team and a different coach. I am talking about now. Am I the onky one watching the games? The Texans game was the only truly great game he has had and even then he failed to put the game away in the end. That is what I am talking about. What game has HE won for us? The D allows more than 19 points average per game and we would be 0-7. The D does not score points for us and we would be 0-7. It is a team sport right? So it's all good and I love that we are 4-3. All I am saying is that DM has disappointed with his 70 QB rating. What argument can you possibly give?

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | October 28, 2010 11:14 AM
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No matter how good the QB, no matter how well the coach schemes, you can't put up good stats while laying on your back.

If you don't understand that McNabb can't fend off the blitz with one hand, and fire the ball downfield with the other, there isn't much I can do to help you get it.

he's been sacked 16 times in 7 games.

Here's the list of QBs who have been sacked more than McNabb [16 sacks 4-3 record]:

Cutler [27 Bears 4-3]
Rivers [20 Chargers 2-5]
Orton [17 Denver 2-5]
Schaub [16 Texans 4-2]

Seems to me that it's pretty hard to win for any team when you OL can't protect you.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | October 28, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

McNabb drives me nuts. Throws short on underneath routes, drills RB's on short passes to the flat. Fades in the end zone with more arc would be nice. He is doing the same things he always did in Philly. And he is still a good QB. All qb's have a weakness, and McNabb's are well documented. And yes, I really like him. He leads, commands respect, and has enough strengths to win. My only concern is long term for the Skins, they clearly have to find their next QB out there and McNabb is going to want a long term deal, he earns that. Next year will probably be a strike shortened, if any season at all, so you figure we need to draft our new qb next year and with McNabb on the roster, can work him a couple of years before we need him to start. Sign McNabb for 4 or 5 years. If you like him or not is personal choice but I have not seen anything to make me think he has lost anything. He plays just like he always has, warts and all. He does seem to bring an air of winning, has his ups and downs, but always has.

Posted by: skins50 | October 28, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I find it amusing that people keep saying our defense has been carrying us. They certainly did on Sunday, but questionable play by the Cowboys and Eagles has kept our Ppg down. We have up chunks of yardage and points to the Texans, Rams, and Colts.

That said, some of you need to get over yourselves if you think McNabb's legacy will end off this season. I doubt McNabb would be struggling on the Cardinals and Vikings so if you have no patience or faith in him long term...he'll just move on

And btw, most of his missed throws have come throwing to Galloway...he completes the majority of his passes to Moss & Cooley

Posted by: smooth700 | October 28, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

This is a non issue McNabb is our QB, and we should be happy to have him.

Posted by: Defund_NPR | October 28, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Are these the same fans that thought Patrick Ramsey was a good quarterback? We are fine and need to keep winning we have a lot of problems we dont need our wise fans trying to play coach again. Rex Grossman is a bum we all know he is a back up not a starter. Stop thinking the NFL is playstation Donovan is a broader line HOF what is Rex? He took the Bears to the Super Bowl and they released him. Why is he the answer now? Let our coaches coach and the fans should keep on cheering and stop trying to make personnel decisions. IMO

Posted by: JWeathers1 | October 29, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

JWeathers1: Excellent observation! Rex Grossman is a BUM! A soft, slow, inaccurate, chicken of a stumblebum at that.

Posted by: dcjazzman | October 29, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

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