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Jerry Jones: Eagles better off without Donovan McNabb

There has been a lot of Donovan McNabb bashing since the Pro Bowl quarterback was traded in April from the Philadelphia Eagles to the Redskins. And now, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has weighed in on McNabb, who apparently isn't very consistent despite career statistics that indicate otherwise.

In an interview Tuesday night with the Philadelphia Daily News, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones told the paper the Eagles won't be as much a Jekyll-and-Hyde team with Kevin Kolb at quarterback as they were with the streaky McNabb.

"McNabb helped create those big swings in our games over the last 10 years," Jones said. "When he played well, it was like throwing the knockout punch. When he didn't, you were able to throw the knockout punch.

"I don't see that now [with Kolb]. I think Kolb and the way they're going about it now, you won't have those big swings one way or the other. I think every game with them is going to be a battle. Because of Kolb and because the makeup of the rest of their team is solid. And their coach, there is not a better coach in the NFL than Andy [Reid]."

By Jason Reid  |  August 11, 2010; 5:22 PM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb  
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F Dallas!

Posted by: slckposter | August 11, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

F Jerry Jones.

BTW Jerry, nice of you to indirectly say Andy Reid is a better coach than Wade Phillips.

Jerry will tear down the Cowboys with his BS, and it will be great.

People say Danny messes with his team too much, but this guy takes the cake.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 11, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

We should all thank Jerrah for providing some locker room wall quotes for the Skins.

And ditto sickposter.

F Dallas!

Posted by: SonofNero | August 11, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh Lay chips and salsa. Yummmm.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 11, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Solomon Wilcots on a chat at NFL.com says he loves the Skins in 2010, and that the Skins are back!

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 11, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

its always best to interview jerrah when he's liquored up

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 11, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

There has been a lot of jreid bashing since he took over from the rotund baltimoron.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 11, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

This from the genius who thought Quincy Jones could replace Troy Aikman and now believes Wade Phillips can take them to the promised land? Got it.

Have another bourbon Jerruh. Thanks for playing.

Posted by: edvar | August 11, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow....thats crazy on so many levels....

Posted by: chrislarry | August 11, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, find me a qb who plays every game the same way. Jerry Jones f'cked-up his team for years until he learned to keep his mouth shut, now it looks like he is falling back into old habits. the qb gets too much credit for a win and too much blame for a loss. Same ol' sh't from jones, how many games has kolb started...3? How does anyone outside the organization have any right to say how kolb performs based on 3 games? message to jerry jones: shut-up idiot, you don't know anything about football!

The reason there are swings is because the team is performing that way, it isn't one player who is responsible.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 11, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Quincy Jones: Motown genius, and NFL QB!!

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 11, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"Cowboy forums do not have any references to Redskins and I wonder why?"

Two reasons. First, we were 4-12 last year. People in other NFL cities usually don't spend a lot of time talking about 4-12 teams. Second, unlike the pathetic Cowboys trolls who sometimes pollute this forum with their verbal droppings, most of us have actual lives and jobs, which means that we don't need to waste our time talking about the 'Skins on a forum devoted to another team.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | August 11, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

LOL @ Jerry Jones...he's not exactly an authority on talented & quality QB's. Aikman was hand picked by Jimmy Johnson & since he retired (thank u Lavar!!) a DECADE AGO, his "star" QB, Romo has been consistent, at CHOKING, while DMac's been in 5 NFC Title games & a Super Bowl! Save your breath for when hell freezes over & Dallas actually wins more than ONE playoff game every 12 years! LOL, the Skins have been in the playoffs just 3 times to Dallas's 6, but have TWO wins compared to their ONE! Hail Skins, baby!

Posted by: proetica2003 | August 11, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I hate Jerry Jones but he is most likely right. McNaab sucks and the people in D.C. will regret the day he signed on. The 'Boys will probably whip his over the hill butt on opening day hopefully the Mcnaab love fest with the WAPO writers will stop for a while.

Posted by: theBozyn | August 11, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Jerrah, like a lame dogs, speaks:

"And their coach, there is not a better coach in the NFL than Andy [Reid]."

Moe's next great NFL Coach's List:

pick'em

Tony Sparano
Gary Kubiak
Rex Ryan
Brad Childress
Mike Smith
Ken Whisenhunt
Eric Magnini
Mike McCarthy
John Harbaugh

Moe rolls with Green Bay's Mike McCarty as the next young coach to watch as the pack features good offense and one of the league's best defenses--all generated during his time as head coach.

McCarty pushed B Favre out the door while positioning A Rodgers as starting q-back.

His team made the smooth transition into a 3-4 look without looking back.

Will the Pack overtake the Vikings and Bears, and rule the NFC North this year?

Moe says the back is back, jack.


Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 11, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"This from the genius who thought Quincy Jones could replace Troy Aikman"

Uh, dude, that would be Quincy Carter. Loved Q's music, though.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | August 11, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones is a moron.

Posted by: abxinc | August 11, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The only reason jones made those comments is the cowboys don't see kolb the threat that mcnabb is/was. they are looking to beat the eagles twice this year and view the qb position as weaker.

Posted by: wathu19 | August 11, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Says the man who long ago morphed into a permanent and scarier version of Mr. Hyde.

Posted by: ga8085 | August 11, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been scared since I had to fight Chris Harris at recess in the 4th grade.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 11, 2010 12:33 PM

You threw down with Chris Harris too? He was an ahole!

Posted by: PlayAction | August 11, 2010 12:40 PM

Chris was short for Christine and she used to stomp a mud hole in RED and walk it dry..

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 11, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

jerry jones can suck it

Posted by: BMACattack | August 11, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

This from the genius who thought Quincy Jones could replace Troy Aikman and now believes Wade Phillips can take them to the promised land? Got it.

Have another bourbon Jerruh. Thanks for playing.

Posted by: edvar | August 11, 2010 5:49 PM
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Quincy Carter not Jones
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Quincy Jones: Motown genius, and NFL QB!!

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 11, 2010 5:56 PM
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Quincy Jones never produce for Motown...all black musicians don't come from Motown

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 11, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is Jim Plunkett. Who knew?

In all seriousness, I wish JC17 nothing but good things. I hope we beat him in the Superbowl.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 11, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

White people love white quarterbacks, especially in the south.

Posted by: dan_gerboy | August 11, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is Jim Plunkett. Who knew?

In all seriousness, I wish JC17 nothing but good things. I hope we beat him in the Superbowl.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 11, 2010 6:07 PM
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That would be nice...I hope he does well also...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 11, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

White people love white quarterbacks, especially in the south.

Posted by: dan_gerboy | August 11, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"When he played well, it was like throwing the knockout punch. When he didn't, you were able to throw the knockout punch."

Um, Jerry? You can make that same remark about literally EVERY player in the NFL. Just to help put things in perspective for your stupid ass...

Seriously...I don't get the love for Kolb. Dude has been a relief pitcher for a couple years and everyone is extrapolating that big game against the putrid Chiefs into a HoF career. Can't wait till the first time he gets his taint handed to him by a REAL defense...we'll see how great he is then...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 11, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Think maybe those games had huge momentum swings in part because of Reid’s emphasis on the pass instead of a consistent running game or even a balanced attack. If Shanahan can get a consistent running game for McNabb I bet we see a more consistent McNabb as well. My $0.02 anyway.

Posted by: skinswest | August 11, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles are better off, and they got a stud safety out of the deal.

With McNabb, Shanny has time to bring in the right QB, or allow one to emerge while building a team in his image.

However, while McNabb is streaky, Shanahan won't have him try to throw his way out of a rut with 50 passes, he'll run it and dink and dunk. Just hopefully the dinks won't be in the dirt.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | August 11, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Hard at work here and no time to peruse the comments so forgive me if someone's noted this already, but my dad just called to let me know the Skins will be the shown live on NFL Network Friday night (7:30 Eastern).

Good news for folks like me who are far away from DC.

I checked the NFL Network schedule two days ago and our game wasn't supposed to be shown until 10 AM Saturday morning, so this is a change.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 11, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Seriously...I don't get the love for Kolb. Dude has been a relief pitcher for a couple years and everyone is extrapolating that big game against the putrid Chiefs into a HoF career. Can't wait till the first time he gets his taint handed to him by a REAL defense...we'll see how great he is then...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 11, 2010 6:13 PM
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could be Jerry's being coy....i think someone said something like that

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 11, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"White people love white quarterbacks"

Debate time:

Name the best black quarterback in the history of the NFL.

Warren Moon is my choice.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 11, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Name the best black quarterback in the history of the NFL.

Warren Moon is my choice.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 11, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse
________

I'm gonna be a homer and pick Doug Williams.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | August 11, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Name the best black quarterback in the history of the NFL.

Warren Moon is my choice.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 11, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Joe Montana

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 11, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Quincy Jones never produce for Motown...all black musicians don't come from Motown

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 11, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse


Really. I had no idea. Being white and stupid an all.

Calm the f down... it was a throw away line. Bash it for not being funny... but at least be smart enough to properly critique it.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 11, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

DMac wins a SB for us this season and takes the prize.

Posted by: mack1 | August 11, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I gotta go with Moon for his overall body of work... but the best game ever by a black QB has to be our own D Williams with the 2nd quarter dismantling of the Broncos in the SB.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 11, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Randall Cunningham was pretty dangerous and had a long career.

He was basically what they hoped Michael Vick would turn out to be.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 11, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Plus, I go with Cunningham since he threw that TD against Dallas in garbage time on the fake kneel down.

Just nasty.

Those were the days!

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 11, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow...just catching up with the other threads and Andre Carter has a no trade clause??? Andre f-ing Carter? Was Vinny aware that this ain't baseball?

Simply stunning...there's Reason #5823 why Vinny will NEVER hold an NFL job again...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 11, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't Andy Reid/Filthadelphia figured out that the Feebles pass more than any than any other team in the NFL for the past decade? Is it any surprise that teams like the Eagles and Colts consistently under-perform in the postseason due to an obsession with passing?

Whatever. I can enjoy another ten years of Feeble futility with Reid at the helm...that is if he hasn't choked on a cheesesteak and died of a heart attack.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | August 11, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

The McNabb comments aside, how does anyone but the Eagles coaching staff, know what Kolb can do????

Posted by: MadeRED | August 11, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

And so starts the bulletin board material for opening night.

Posted by: RiggoisDrunk | August 11, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

However, while McNabb is streaky, Shanahan won't have him try to throw his way out of a rut with 50 passes, he'll run it and dink and dunk. Just hopefully the dinks won't be in the dirt.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | August 11, 2010 6:16 PM


Thinking about this "McNabb is streaky" stuff...the incredible amount of passing that went on in Philly has more to do with that than anything. Nobody goes out there and completes EVERY pass and stays in a rhythm the entire game. In D.C. Shanahan will put the focus on the ground game instead of on Donovan and that will help a lot. He'll take his shots down the field, but he'll also be put in position to complete the high percentage pass...I mean, this offense IS rooted in the WCO after all.

McNabb is a great fit for this offense and he'll shine in it. It may or may not be this season, but by 2011 he'll have all cylinders clicking. Book it!

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 11, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I hope McNabb blows this up to poster size and puts it on the wall in the locker room.

Posted by: clark202 | August 11, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

The McNabb comments aside, how does anyone but the Eagles coaching staff, know what Kolb can do????

Posted by: MadeRED

That's why jerrah's boubon-aided comments were so funny. kolb has like 2 starts and jerrah says he's not streaky. No one knows what kolb brings. Not even the philly staff.

As for best black QB ever, gotta be Moon. Donovan might be #2.

Doug Williams is probably pretty far down on that list, but he did play the best 15 minutes of football ever played.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 11, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

The McNabb comments aside, how does anyone but the Eagles coaching staff, know what Kolb can do????

Posted by: MadeRED | August 11, 2010 6:44 PM


My guess is that casual observers are getting their dicks hard about Kolb because he lit up an awful Chiefs defense last season in an Eagles win. Funny that they remember that so vividly, yet draw a blank when asked to recall how he got his taint handed to him by the Ravens the year before.

I don't think he'll be awful, but I doubt he'll be as good as advertised either.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 11, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

"This from the genius who thought Quincy Jones could replace Troy Aikman"

Uh, dude, that would be Quincy Carter. Loved Q's music, though.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | August 11, 2010 6:00 PM

Maybe I should have another bourbon...

Posted by: edvar | August 11, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

In fairness to Jones, McNabb has been pretty inconsistent against the Cowboys. In his 20 games against Dallas, McNabb has had only one game with a quarterback rating in the 75.0-95.0 range (78.1 in 2007, Week 15). All the other are either below 75.0 (12) or above 95.0 (7).

Obviously that's not a very scientific way of measuring consistency; all quarterbacks are prone to have either good stats or bad stats rather than mediocre stats. Kevin Kolb hasn't had one such "middle" game in his entire career. But still, I at least see where Jones is coming from. And I'd bet that many Eagles fans agree with the "when he's good he's great, when he's bad he's awful" description.

Posted by: Tank2 | August 11, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

And don't forget about his last two games as the Eagles' QB. I mean, their O Line looked as bad as ours last year. And that's kinda scary when you consider he's supposed to be an upgrade over Jason Campbell.

Sure didn't look like it in his last two games.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 11, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow...just catching up with the other threads and Andre Carter has a no trade clause??? Andre f-ing Carter? Was Vinny aware that this ain't baseball?

Simply stunning...there's Reason #5823 why Vinny will NEVER hold an NFL job again...

Posted by: brownwood26

Carter was smart. He made sure he wouldn't get traded to a bad team with a joke for a HC. Turns out, he didn't need to worry about getting traded to get that ....

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 11, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line, Jones should be taking such inventory of his own "when he's good he's great, when he's bad he's awful" QB. I mean, let's compare and contrast McNabb's playoff record with Romo's and see what Jerrah has to say then...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 11, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

White people love white quarterbacks, especially in the south.

Posted by: dan_gerboy | August 11, 2010 6:11 PM
Posted by: dan_gerboy | August 11, 2010 6:13 PM

So stupid you needed to post it twice??

Football fans love good quarterbacks, wherever they're from and whatever the skin tone.

Posted by: MColeman51 | August 11, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Weren't we saying the same things about McNabb when he played for Philly?

Posted by: Skinz4Lyfe | August 11, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Let me first state that I wasn't a fan of Donovan McNabb. He was the leader of the Filthydelphia Iggles. And he's beaten the Redskins on several game winning drives.

Well, he's now a Redskin, and I had to either do as some of you did and continue to dislike him, or I had to swallow my Redskin pride and hope that he was the next Sonny Jurgenson, who made the switch from the dark side to the Redskin nation.

I then started listening to him, observing his work ethic and leadership, looked into his history and statistics, and then had to conclude that there is plenty left in Donovan that can make the Cowpukes and Iggles and Gants very unhappy.

I think part of McNabb's underwhelming performance at the end of the season was due to the boneheaded Porky Pig head coach who continued to pass when he should have run the ball; this year with the support of a more effective offensive line and running backs, McNabb won't have to throw on practically every down and this will keep him fresher and help take the load off him.

I do consider McNabb and upgrade over the spineless wimp Jason Campbell who exhibited zero leadership and was uninspiring. Plus Donovan has the capability to win games at the end which Campbell showed no ability to do.

Is McNabb perfect? Nope. But I'd rather have him than Romo who has shown no ability to have a great playoff game.

Posted by: laserwizard | August 11, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

What jerruh said:

"I don't see that now [with kolb]. I think kolb and the way they're going about it now, you won't have those big swings one way or the other. I think every game with them is going to be a battle. Because of kolb and because the makeup of the rest of their team is solid. And their coach, there is not a better coach in the NFL than andy]."

What jerruh was thinking:

I don't see that with kolb, the little squirt. I don't see big swigs. Lots of little swigs get the job done. I love to swig my bourbon. Every game is going to be a battle in my own f-in palace. My palace. MY PALACE. M-f'ers. Because of that little squirt kolb. kolb on da cob. I'm very funny. And they got a team made up of solid waste with the king of solid waste as hc. He's fatter than my guy. Oh hell, did I really hire wade phillips. Serves me right for drinking like I do. Gimme another swig. romo better not drop a game winning FG snap again. Where's my bourbon?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 11, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Jerrahs been drinking again.

Lets see...5 NFC championship apearances in 10 years...and what has Tony Romo or Wade Phillips done during that time??

Nothing!

Posted by: Predator48 | August 11, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Joe Montana

Posted by: Diesel44


Joe Montegna!

Posted by: Predator48 | August 11, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Gotta be grateful that ol' Jerruh has stuck with Phillips this long. Just burning that team year after year...

Posted by: edvar | August 11, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Carter was smart. He made sure he wouldn't get traded to a bad team with a joke for a HC. Turns out, he didn't need to worry about getting traded to get that ....

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 11, 2010 7:20 PM


LOL, Zeke. I give him no credit whatsoever for that...nobody can predict a Zorn. Nobody...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 11, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

i agree that mcnabb will benefit from a more balanced attack. if mcnabb has to throw 30-40 times a game, we will consistently lose.

Posted by: BMACattack | August 11, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I loved D Williams in that 2nd qtr, but WAY down on the list. Honestly, i think its 1 and 2, Moon and DMac, and honestly I am not sure what order. Big numbers vs. alot of wins and playoff success. Those Iggles teams were never the favorites to come out of the NFC...well maybe once.

Posted by: ECSkins | August 11, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I get the thought process of Washington Post writers, and only guess why. The NFL is full of owners, staffers, coaches, players, General Managers, Defensive Co-ordinators and such, where one could write
pages of what makes this QB a A--kickin winner. You never see or hear any of it.
When they hear the overwhelming good things about DC's QB, its like the public must not know this.

Posted by: CTaylor42 | August 11, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

to think Reid did not know he was fleecing the skins and giving away mcchicken is preposterous. why can't skins fans just accept they are the wizards of the NFL, i.e. bum street, Detroit east, trashing jones when he has three ligit trophies, the baddest stadium ever built, and a team on the rise. compate that to this white plains waste plant stadium, 4-12 year in and year out, and a qb cut by a division rival because dallas beat him 58-13 back to back last year when it mattered. mcchicken is done and philly gave them the Lil wayne low ball on the way out the house.

Posted by: doyouktt | August 11, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"And he's (McNabb) beaten the Redskins on several game winning drives."


The ability to put on the late game winning drive is, among other things, the major reason why you can call that the team will win 10 games this year.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 11, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Corn Kolb has played in what? Like 5 games? And Jerry can make a judgement on Corn's consistency from that amount of tape? He must be a phukin' genius!!! And there's not a better coach than Andy Reid? Really? How many Superbowls has he won? Whateves Jerruh, you're a moron.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 11, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I recommend seeing the Cowboys stadium in person to truly comprehend what a doosh Jerruh is.

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 11, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

McNabb has growing pains learning Redskins offense
By JOSEPH WHITE, AP Sports Writer

ShareretweetEmailPrintASHBURN, Va. (AP)—Donovan McNabb(notes) must have wondered if he was back in Philadelphia.

On the first day of Washington Redskins training camp, a heckler stood near the front of the crowd and criticized every bad pass, every bobbled ball and pined out loud for the return of departed quarterback Jason Campbell(notes).

“Must have been a great catch,” the fan yelled after McNabb completed one pass, “because it couldn’t have been a good throw.”

As the days went by, other fans might have felt that the heckler was on to something. McNabb seemed to be getting intercepted more than he should. He was throwing behind receivers, and earlier this week he unleashed a wounded duck downfield that was picked off easily by Carlos Rogers(notes).

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McNabb’s performance could be simply a matter of him adjusting to new surroundings and a new offense. Or maybe fans are getting a glimpse of why the Philadelphia Eagles were willing to trade him after 11 seasons.

Naturally, McNabb and the Redskins chalk it up to the adjustment factor after only two weeks of training camp. All sides acknowledge, however, that there have been some growing pains.

“I think it’s been different for him,” offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan said Wednesday. “He’s been so comfortable in a situation for 11 years that he’s never had to really grind out the system, because that (Eagles system) came natural to him with time. So it’s been a little different for him knowing that he’s really got to put in the work, and just the book—just memorizing what we’re doing, memorizing the verbiage—so it’s taken some time for him.”

Coach Mike Shanahan noted that McNabb is essentially learning to speak a different language with different progressions and different footwork. Even a good student such as McNabb isn’t going to master it right away.

“It’s going to take some time where he feels it’s second nature,” Mike Shanahan said. “It usually takes a couple of years, even for a veteran.”

Of course, no one is going to be patient enough to wait a couple of years. The season opener against the rival Dallas Cowboys is only 4 1/2 weeks away. The first look at McNabb in a Redskins uniform in a game situation comes Friday night, when he’ll likely get 12-15 snaps in the exhibition opener against the Buffalo Bills.

“It’s a growing process,” McNabb said. “We know that everything isn’t going to be where we need to be for Dallas, but that’s why we play the preseason, to kick the rust off a little bit and kind of get our timing and chemistry where we need to be.”

Kyle Shanahan said some of the early miscues in camp might be beneficial in the long run.

“You almost sometimes want them to make some mistakes,” Kyle Shanahan said, “because quarterbacks really don’t remember what you want them to do until they mess it up. They get scarred by it and then they remember.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 11, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Best African American Quarterback in the history of the NFL.

1. Warren Moon

2. Steve McNair

3. Donovon McNabb

4. Randall Cunningham

5. ?

6. ?

7. ?

9. Doug Williams

10. ?

11. ?

13. ?

14. ?

15. Tony Banks (tie)

15. Byron Leftwich (tie)


Conclusion: Our judges feel that had most of them not been converted to wide receiver, this black quarterback list would be much longer.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 11, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Wow...just catching up with the other threads and Andre Carter has a no trade clause??? Andre f-ing Carter? Was Vinny aware that this ain't baseball?

Simply stunning...there's Reason #5823 why Vinny will NEVER hold an NFL job again...

Posted by: brownwood26

Brownwood -- Carter gave up money to get the no-trade clause. Carter also gave up money to get incentives, which paid off big for him last year.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 11, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"And that's kinda scary when you consider he's SUPPOSED to be an upgrade over Jason Campbell: Posted by Thinker"

Is this the new Lisa_R ? You have to the last JC butt sniffer on the blog. You the only one that keeps on using that lame offensive line excuse for him. Here is a simple question I bet you can't answer: What makes Mcnabb over Campbell not an upgrade ?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHYR7E5hEDk
watch the first play and the pitiful protection...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZypDzW81-c&feature=fvw
Here is a few other plays where Campbell just has absolutely, positively no time to throw
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Feel free to go ahead and ignore my question and the evidence I've provided. Tom Cable is gonna get fired when the wins don't come with the greatest Franchise QB ever. ya know cuz the problem with a Jason Campbell led football team is not Jason Campbell.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | August 11, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

"Coach Mike Shanahan noted that McNabb is essentially learning to speak a different language with different progressions and different footwork. Even a good student such as McNabb isn’t going to master it right away."

“It’s going to take some time where he feels it’s second nature,” Mike Shanahan said. “It usually takes a couple of years, even for a veteran.”

Question...If it's going to take McNabb 2 years to learn the offense what's to stop him from leaving after one year and going to Minn. That was his original choice and he would be joining up with Brad Childress in an offense he's played in for 10 years. Until he signs an extension, he's a very expensive rental.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 11, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

How many sheets of Dry Wall did you hang today, scrambly ? Don't let that dust go to ur brains !

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | August 11, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

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While you're at it taint boy my master bedroom needs remodeling, I'd write you a check, but your sister insisted that I just send her at the discount rate to make up the difference.

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | August 11, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

While you're at it taint boy

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | August 11, 2010 8:51 PM

What is a "taint boy"? I'm sure you mean this to be some foul, vile insult, but it doesn't even make any sense.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 11, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

"...Kolb has played in what? Like 5 games?"

I wonder how long the leash is that Kolb will be on this year.

If the iggles go 2-4 early on, will he get benched in favor of M Vick?

And if you do that, and Vick plays as inconsistently as anyone would expect, how do you replace him with what might be a young quarterback with a damaged ego?

I expect Kolb to be the "Stink In the Linc."

The question for iggles' fans is, how long will A Reid allow the smell to endure.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 11, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Slang Dictionary


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taint

1. n.
the perineum. (Crude. See also choad. The taint reflects that this area is not [it ain't = 'taint] genital nor anus.) : I got a horrible itch in the gooch! , She did what to your taint?

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I actually used to tell him to go paint his taint and his bald spot. Scott then started calling me taint boy, for lack of a better response. You see beep-beep ? He started it and he thinks I'm periculum when really I'm chia pet using another handle to pose as periculum.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | August 11, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

You really should try coming up with your own putdowns Cowphuk sucker. Using mine shows how unimaginitive you really are. Come up with something a little better and I'll give you credit for it. That was waaaay too plagarized.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 11, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The only two quarterbacks in the NFC who scare me are Aaron Rodgers and Tony Romo. For different reasons, obviously.

If the Skins pull out week one it won't be because of McNabb. Kyle S. maybe, Orakpo, Stompy. Even Carlos has a better chance of beating Dallas than McNabb does.

Archive it.

Posted by: SMACK1 | August 11, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Jerry's right. The Eagles will no longer be a Jeckyl and Hyde team with McNabb gone. They'll simply resort to Hyde.

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | August 11, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Do we need a young, athletic outside linebacker?

"....as a hand-down end in a 4-3. He (A Carter) struggled as a stand-up outside linebacker for one season with the San Francisco 49ers and was miserable in the role."


Andre Carter struggled at outside linebacker the last time he played it, Lorenzo Alexander is being converted to the position, and the rookie Perry Riley is, well, a rookie.

We need a weak side outside linebacker, and the best guy at it, Rocky Mac, has been moved inside.

Something tells me that this might be the chink in an otherwise good redskin offense.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 11, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones - The genius architect of the Roy Williams trade from Detroit and handing him a fat contract. He has no business evaluating football players. He was on the sideline by the start of the 3rd quarter of the HOF game. I sincerely hope he gets run over one of these days. Jackass

Posted by: Rahtard | August 11, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

He started it and he thinks I'm periculum when really I'm chia pet using another handle to pose as periculum.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | August 11, 2010 9:10 PM

Thanks for clarifying. Okay, carry on. Reminds me of Sir Walter Scott:

Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to deceive.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 11, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Do we need a young, athletic outside linebacker?

"....as a hand-down end in a 4-3. He (A Carter) struggled as a stand-up outside linebacker for one season with the San Francisco 49ers and was miserable in the role."


Andre Carter struggled at outside linebacker the last time he played it, Lorenzo Alexander is being converted to the position, and the rookie Perry Riley is, well, a rookie.

We need a weak side outside linebacker, and the best guy at it, Rocky Mac, has been moved inside.

Something tells me that this might be the chink in an otherwise good redskin offense.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 11, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

That was waaaay too plagarized.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 11, 2010 9:13 PM

Not only that, it wasn't even your best stuff.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 11, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Well I ran out of ammunition as skinsneedaGM, once Jason Campbell was traded. Good thing I bookmarked those Jason Campbell videos.

Scampbell is my new horse and I'm gonna keep beatin him til he's dead.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | August 11, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Jerry is lining up Buck Showalter to replace Wade Phillips in September. This is a guy who can polish a turd!

Posted by: SMACK1 | August 11, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

WOW Jerry. You are genius. Took a swipe at all NFC East at once? The Redskins, the Eagles and didn't spare Dallas either.

Posted by: DesiHungama | August 11, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Scampbell is my new horse and I'm gonna keep beatin him til he's dead.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | August 11, 2010 9:24 PM

Well, they're both named Campbell so have at him, but I think Jason Campbell was easier to get rid of than Scott Campbell will be.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 11, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. Scott and Beep-Beep there are better havens for 69ing one another.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | August 11, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I think all of that plastic surgery Jerry has had has choked off the blood to his brain.

We'll see week one. Thanks for the bullitin board stuff!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 11, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, they're both named Campbell so have at him, but I think Jason Campbell was easier to get rid of than Scott Campbell will be.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 11, 2010 9:31 PM

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Ya never know. The whole blog can now see how quiet scott gets with a d_ck in his mouth.

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | August 11, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse


I'm vacationing in DC with my family and thought I'd see what's going on with the Cowboys and the Redskins. Judging from your comments, it looks like we still have a nice little rivalry going.

First, let me say this: Jerry Jones tells it like it is. He's a winner and that's more than I can say for some owners.

WRT McNabb, he is the same up and down QB he's always been, except he's probably a step slower since he's older. I think it's fair to say you'll win some with him and you'll lose some.

Those of you expecting McNabb to be the next coming of Joe Willie Namath will be sadly disappointed. Teams don't give up good quarterbacks for a mere first or second rounder, unless it's 1992, you're the Falcons and you're giving away a young Brett Favre to the Packers. Folks, it's not 1992.

Good Luck this season. With McNabb, you'll need it.

Respect The Star!

Posted by: PampaTex | August 11, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Tex you and your crap-filled pampas need to get back to the wasteland you call home. When is Jerry Jones going to die anyways so I can stop reading about him? You cant tell since he has had more plastic surgery than Michael jackson and is virtually a cyborg at this point, but the guy is at least 135 years old. Just die already.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | August 11, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bosshog7169 | August 11, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey Tampex, thanks for checking. Don't forget to stop back in after the season gets started. Can't wait to hear your excuses then...

Posted by: edvar | August 11, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

The question is not if McNabb can kill a team in a single game -- since his abdominal tear, that's certainly true -- but if he's an upgrade for the Redskins.

McNabb is an upgrade over Campbell -- skills, leadership, experience -- and, if he can play 14 games this season, that makes the Skins better. The end.

Jerry's not wrong, but he's answering the wrong question. You could probably also fault Reid for putting together a team that forced McNabb into that position.

Posted by: WorstSeat | August 11, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I could wipe a monkey's butt with Jerry Jones opinion. Just remember...Vinny Cerrato won twice as many playoff games as a GM as Jerry Jones has.

Posted by: DocHolliday1906 | August 11, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

MISQUOTE.

Come on, JJ never says the Eagles are "better" in that story. Edit the headlines. The Post deserves better, even on a blog.

Posted by: WorstSeat | August 11, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Pampa, Texas is where we're from and where we're going back to as soon as we finish a little sightseeing, you smart alecks. Redskins fans are mighty sensitive. Must be an Obama thing because Lord knows the Redskins weren't any good under Bush!

Good Night!

Posted by: PampaTex | August 11, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

There was a "Why The Troll" conversation on here yesterday..Well, the MAIN reason for Post writers to post as trolls is because the notion of "scapegoat" IS VITAL for the old Masonic Graham family that still owns this paper..The Masonic virus is festered and fed..It attempts to steer the herds energies in a desirable direction for the Elite (Illuminati), or like Hitler used the Jews to as a scapegoat to rise to power..The Warmachine CIA Illuminati Elites needed an enemy after the Soviet Union collapsed, so they fabricated 9-11 to target the oil-rich Muslims..Trolls are often hired hands, like the Bin Laden family..(Saudi Royals and the Mossad have been used repeatedly over the decades for covert U.S. ops)...Ultimately trolls, like landowners hung by communists in public, are used by the elites to further their control over minds and power...And with that, I bid you all, and the Haynesworth Scapegoat, good night...

Posted by: frak | August 11, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Love all the cowboy hate here JJ has initiate with his comments....let it build right up to game one. JJ didn't come up with anything new....that's the general feeling in Philly too. Mcnabb isn't perfect, but he's in the top 30% of NFL QB's and Kolb is a gamble. Mcnabb is an upgrade for us and if our RB's can get it going, he could have a really good season. However, If I were Allen, I wouldn't show McNabb the big money until midseason and he has proven Reid wrong. (Reid ain't wrong a lot)

Posted by: Skin4Life1 | August 11, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

WHY THE CENSORSHIP JR?????? my post needs to be seen here??? hack!!

Posted by: klangley69 | August 11, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

PampaTex

"Must be an Obama thing because Lord knows the Redskins weren't any good under Bush!"

The only things that was ever good under Bush was Laura.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 11, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

The only things that was ever good under Bush was Laura.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 11, 2010 10:43 PM

I'm anti bush. I'll settle for a landing strip but anything more is so 2001 to 2009.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 11, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the gamesmanship has already begun! Jones is just trying to get into McNabb's head before the season opener.

Slough it!

Posted by: hithere1 | August 11, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

OK.

Can someone explain to me why Jerry Jones gets an RI post devoted to him???

I'm pissed.

Seriously.

Mayor, please don't ever devote a post up here to anything Jerry Jones has to say ever again.

Please.

Seriously.

Posted by: p1funk | August 11, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

F Dallas. Nuff said

Posted by: mharman1 | August 11, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

"Good Luck this season. With McNabb, you'll need it."

Romo = big fat choker

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 11, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

(Insert John Facenda's baritone football voice)

"...the autumn wind is a raider..."

Rock: Smell that?

Jason Campbell (waving a free hand): Man that odor could choke a drunk skunk.

What is that?

Colt Brennan: Didn't you hear the man? That gaseous wind you smell is a raider.

And like it, we all stink.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 11, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Well, Jerry would know. He's got Tony Romo.

Romo is the prototypical inconsistent NFL quarterback. He's about a half step above Jeff George. A world of talent. But when it comes time to make the big play, it's time to hide your eyes.

Posted by: noslok | August 11, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

The dorks at WaPo really think we care about 'Ole Yellow Teeth's opinion?!

Posted by: Sirius2 | August 11, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

The knot that ties Jerry's loose skin to the back of his head must be too tight. He wants to call McNabb inconsistent meanwhile bobble boy Romo and the Cowboys have less playoff wins than the skins and 7 less than McNabb in the less decade. Jerry sounds more like Al Davis every day.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 11, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh...it's ON now, you M-Fer!!! Stupid Cowpatties!

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | August 11, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Jerry sounds more like Al Davis every day.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 11, 2010 11:52 PM

Looks more like him too. We should have a contest to see who can guess which one has more liver spots and how many. Winner get's to kick one of them in the nuts, their choice.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 12, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Winner get's to kick one of them in the nuts, their choice.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 12, 2010 12:08 AM

If ol' Jerruh had his nuts hiked up like his forehead, you'd have to aim for his nipples.

Posted by: edvar | August 12, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

I see why all the Brokeback Nutsack trolls keep finding their way here. I went looking for a Cowballs blog that had any real amount of comments on them and I couldn't find any. Guess most of them don't know how to type.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 12, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

I see why all the Brokeback Nutsack trolls keep finding their way here. I went looking for a Cowballs blog that had any real amount of comments on them and I couldn't find any. Guess most of them don't know how to type.

Posted by: scampbell1975

I mean REALLY! GOD! Only two things come out of texas: steers and queers, and steers can't blog. We will have the last laugh though, the cowboys are stupid enough to let their practice facility fall on their heads so I wonder how long it will be before that 60-ton stadium video screen falls and crushes them all.

The Cowboys have the lowest mean fan iq of any team in all of sports (even dog fighting), so let nature take its course...something hilariously horrible will kill half of them.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 12, 2010 2:11 AM | Report abuse

CP, LJ, RT > FJ, MB, TC

and more importantly:

KS > whoever the dork on the sidelines who answers Jerruhs phone calls regarding which play the pokes will run next.

That is why the Redskins will win.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 12, 2010 3:15 AM | Report abuse

Question...If it's going to take McNabb 2 years to learn the offense what's to stop him from leaving after one year and going to Minn. That was his original choice and he would be joining up with Brad Childress in an offense he's played in for 10 years. Until he signs an extension, he's a very expensive rental.


Posted by: Diesel44 | August 11, 2010 8:43 PM


I'll tell you what's to stop him: as long as Brett Favre has breath, he's going to vacilate over whether he'll play the following season. The Vikes have demonstrated that they'll happily entertain his now ridiculous act and wait however long it takes for him to make up his mind. My guess is that he'll do this at least for another couple years...unless my prayer that his knee get blown out is answered in the affirmative.

McNabb's not going anywhere.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 5:26 AM | Report abuse

Folks, it's not 1992.

Posted by: PampaTex | August 11, 2010 9:39 PM


Exactly why the Cowdungs won't be winning jack sh*t this year. Can't wait to see what excuses you jagaloons have for Tony "Butterfingers" Romo and Wade "Who? ME?" Phillips when that team implodes in December (and if you're lucky, January)...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 5:34 AM | Report abuse

Just wait for the opener Jerry.

Posted by: jeremybozz | August 12, 2010 5:36 AM | Report abuse

Looks like our old friend JLC is still getting a hard time from his readership over at NFL.com:

"Yeah, like anybody cares what Evil Eye's opinion may be. Dude, your head is crooked and you should use less Vitalis in your hair. Bottom line- Jason, you suck."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d819acfa8/article/how-to-smooth-things-over-with-unhappy-highprofile-players?module=HP_cp2

After reading this, I can see why he's inciting the masses...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 6:13 AM | Report abuse

My guess is that casual observers are getting their dicks hard about Kolb because he lit up an awful Chiefs defense last season in an Eagles win. Funny that they remember that so vividly, yet draw a blank when asked to recall how he got his taint handed to him by the Ravens the year before.

I don't think he'll be awful, but I doubt he'll be as good as advertised either.

Posted by: brownwood26

In Kolb's defense the reason why he got his taint handed to him by the Ravens defense was because McNabb had his taint handed to him and was removed from the game.

I don't know how good Kolb will be as a full time starter. I think that there is some truth to what Jones says. McNabb is more like a Brett Favre where they will make a ton of great plays but there fair share of mistakes and bad passes. I imagine they will get more consistent accurate short stuff and less big plays with Kolb. Not saying he will be anywhwere near the play of Montanta but he is more Montana where as McNabb was more Favre. Talking strictly style of play and not how good they are.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 12, 2010 6:34 AM | Report abuse

What's Jerry rambling about, 'knockout punch', Andy Reid? No doubt he was slurring his words while speaking.

Posted by: randysbailin | August 12, 2010 6:43 AM | Report abuse

da mans an idiot red eyed drunk - who cares

Posted by: aypub | August 12, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

da mans an idiot red eyed drunk - who cares

Posted by: aypub | August 12, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

After reading this, I can see why he's inciting the masses...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 6:13 AM |

I thought it was good, level-headed analysis; not the prejudice he used to bring to his work here. I think he's doing a good job at NFL.com, but agree that he uses too much grease in his hair. But, Vitalis? They still make that stuff?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 12, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure Donovan and the whole Redskins team know about this.

They will simply keep their mouth shut and then kick the Cowboys in the nuts, followed by a knee to the head.

Knockout blow thrown by the 2nd quarter, nothing but dumb looks from the Cowboys.

Jerry's worst move : Lurking on the sidelines when his team is losing.

Not a good idea to lurk at FedEx you drunk, ugly, leather-faced lizard.

Man, iH8dallas and Jerry Jones.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 12, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

In Kolb's defense the reason why he got his taint handed to him by the Ravens defense was because McNabb had his taint handed to him and was removed from the game.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 12, 2010 6:34 AM


What does that have to do with the price of rice in China? No doubt the Eagles were just plain overmatched that day. All I'm saying is that when Kolb has gone up against elite level defense, he's come up small and when he's played cupcakes he's looked good. Hardly enough to draw a definite conclusion.

I mean, if you go back and look at my comment it looks to me like we somewhat agree on the topic. Sometimes I think you just arbitrarily pick a counterpoint to have something to talk about...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes I think you just arbitrarily pick a counterpoint to have something to talk about...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 7:00 AM

I can remember when this sort of thing NEVER happened on RI.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 12, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes I think you just arbitrarily pick a counterpoint to have something to talk about...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 7:00 AM

I can remember when this sort of thing NEVER happened on RI.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 12, 2010 7:14 AM
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Yes it did. You trying to start an argument or something?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 12, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Just wait for the opener Jerry.

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You got it. I am so tired of hearing about how the Cowgirls are the number one team in the NFC East. I want the Redskins to make it to the Superbowl, but I would be reasonably happy with just returning to the playoffs. I would be almost as happy if Dallas came up with a lemon of a losing season...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 12, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

i8Hdallas

"They will simply keep their mouth shut and then kick the Cowboys in the nuts, followed by a knee to the head."


I'm a realist and hope for the following apread:

Against Dallas, 1-1

Against Philly, sweep

Against New York, 1-1


That's 5-2 in our division (second place, actually) and very doable.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 12, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Yes it did. You trying to start an argument or something?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 12, 2010 7:22 AM

Nothing to argue about. I can prove it. It was July 18-20, 2007. Facts are facts.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 12, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

mista hoe moe

"That's 5-2 in our division (second place, actually) and very doable."


You're an idiot. We want a sweep.

Fuk you and Fuk Dallas.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 12, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Boy, Kareem Moore getting lots of love today:

"Defensive coordinator Jim Haslett wants a unit that will wreak more havoc and cause more turnovers. Moore fits right into that plan. Haslett calls him a "ball magnet" and compares him with O.J. Atogwe, a safety Haslett coached in St. Louis. With the Rams, Atogwe's career also was slow to start, but he has had 18 interceptions in the past four years.

"[Moore's] always around the ball," Haslett said. "That's the kind of guy you like around the back end: guys who make interceptions."

Wow...if this guy is as good as advertised (especially since we passed on the actual O.J. Atogwe in FA), this could be a HUGE coup for our defense...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

You got it. I am so tired of hearing about how the Cowgirls are the number one team in the NFC East. I want the Redskins to make it to the Superbowl, but I would be reasonably happy with just returning to the playoffs. I would be almost as happy if Dallas came up with a lemon of a losing season...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 12, 2010 7:25 AM


Dallas ain't going to the Bowl. Book that. It's just a matter of whether my dream of seeing burgundy and gold clutching a Lombardi in Jerrah's shrine to himself comes true.

Oh, and Moe...5-2 division record means we've played 7 division games. Are you counting a playoff matchup against a division foe?

Perhaps the team we have a 2-0 playoff record against?

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

"[Moore's] always around the ball," Haslett said. "That's the kind of guy you like around the back end: guys who make interceptions."

Wow...if this guy is as good as advertised (especially since we passed on the actual O.J. Atogwe in FA), this could be a HUGE coup for our defense...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 7:31 AM
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I was just thinking that somebody should be giving some props to Steve Jackson, the safeties coach. He's been given low round draft picks like Doughty, Horton and Moore and made something out of them. Too bad they spent a number one on Landry. I get the feeling the team could do without Landry and get along just fine, which is not what you want to hear about your first round draft pick...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 12, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Yes it did. You trying to start an argument or something?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 12, 2010 7:22 AM

Nothing to argue about. I can prove it. It was July 18-20, 2007. Facts are facts.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 12, 2010 7:30 AM
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Are these RI facts, Obama/Pelosi/Reid facts or real world facts?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 12, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

You got it. I am so tired of hearing about how the Cowgirls are the number one team in the NFC East. I want the Redskins to make it to the Superbowl, but I would be reasonably happy with just returning to the playoffs. I would be almost as happy if Dallas came up with a lemon of a losing season...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 12, 2010 7:25 AM


Dallas ain't going to the Bowl. Book that. It's just a matter of whether my dream of seeing burgundy and gold clutching a Lombardi in Jerrah's shrine to himself comes true.

Oh, and Moe...5-2 division record means we've played 7 division games. Are you counting a playoff matchup against a division foe?

Perhaps the team we have a 2-0 playoff record against?

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 7:37 AM
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The only thing better than eliminating Dallas from the playoffs would be having Haynesworth rupture Tony Romo's sphincter with an Earth-rumbling sack.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 12, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys can kiss my rump! LOL

Posted by: ejharrisjr40 | August 12, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Are these RI facts, Obama/Pelosi/Reid facts or real world facts?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 12, 2010 7:41 AM

Real facts. It was on Fox News last night.

Wow...if this guy is as good as advertised (especially since we passed on the actual O.J. Atogwe in FA), this could be a HUGE coup for our defense...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 7:31 AM

Who drafted him?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 12, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Who drafted him?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 12, 2010 7:47 AM
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Even a blind squirrel... or in this case, even an egotistical, incompetent buffoon...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 12, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

I was just thinking that somebody should be giving some props to Steve Jackson, the safeties coach. He's been given low round draft picks like Doughty, Horton and Moore and made something out of them. Too bad they spent a number one on Landry. I get the feeling the team could do without Landry and get along just fine, which is not what you want to hear about your first round draft pick...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 12, 2010 7:39 AM


Agree on Steve Jackson...dude is definitely earning his keep. Sticking around for his 3rd coaching regime should be a solid indication of that.

Not sure I'm with you on Landry...I'm willing to give him another year or two to prove himself now that's playing for a REAL coaching staff that will use their players properly.

Moreover, I believe that you can get along without ANY player. Football is the ultimate team sport and it takes all 11 to get the job done. Warren Sapp had a great line on NFLN the other day...he said "I can break your fingers one by one, but if you ball 'em up into a fist, you've got a powerful weapon." It's a great point...it doesn't matter if you've got a couple individual talents on defense if you don't have 11 guys playing together as one effective unit.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Comments are funny. Many listen and constantly believe in Dan Snyder, a guy that after over 10 years, has yet to even play in the NFC title game. A guy that annually trots out 3 SB trophies he had nothing to do with.

But the same folk won't listen to a guy that EARNED 3 Lombardi trophies within his first 6 years as owner, or 3 more than Dan has earned. Just because he owns the Dallas Cowboys.

You should be saying F Dan, for his annual offseason failure and hype leading to nothing after he signed (fill in the blank) each offseason or a 99 yr old bingo caller.

And think about it: Of 32 teams, only Dan has problems with Fat Albert. Cause he was the only dummy to set up a contract where a non-pro bowler (last season) who played on a 4-12 team and won zero division games got about $36 mill after ONE year.

Posted by: kedavis | August 12, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

You should be saying F Dan, for his annual offseason failure and hype leading to nothing...

Posted by: kedavis | August 12, 2010 7:55 AM


Dude, are you new? Not just to the blog, but to football? There's not a Redskins fan I know that hasn't said "F Dan" on an annual and consistent basis...

Dallas is a rival. We hate rivals. No matter how much success they have or don't have. Nobody has a better track record or more class than the Steelers organization. Ask a Ravens fan how he feels about the Rooneys.

And just for the record there's no such thing as an owner that's "EARNED" a SB. The NFL has rules against owners playing in games...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Hey Jerry, it's time for another nip & tuck. Your plastic face is drooping again.

Posted by: shanks1 | August 12, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Question...If it's going to take McNabb 2 years to learn the offense what's to stop him from leaving after one year and going to Minn. That was his original choice and he would be joining up with Brad Childress in an offense he's played in for 10 years. Until he signs an extension, he's a very expensive rental.


Posted by: Diesel44 | August 11, 2010 8:43 PM


I'll tell you what's to stop him: as long as Brett Favre has breath, he's going to vacilate over whether he'll play the following season. The Vikes have demonstrated that they'll happily entertain his now ridiculous act and wait however long it takes for him to make up his mind. My guess is that he'll do this at least for another couple years...unless my prayer that his knee get blown out is answered in the affirmative.

McNabb's not going anywhere.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 5:26 AM | Report abuse


Diez, you bring up a very great and valid point that gets brought up here from time to time. Until McNabb inks an extension, anything is possible.

The dude is bent on winning a SB and if an opportunity opens up at another team that is "closer" than the Skins (Minny/AZ) there's no reason to expect DMac to show loyalty to DC. None.

Even if Favre plays this year, my opinion is that he's due for a busted season. His ankle is jacked up and his little iron-man streak is going to come to an end.

I doubt that the Vikes are going to put up with his back-n-forth indefinitely. If an opportunity comes up to get another Pro bowl QB who knows the offense, knows the coaches and is prepared to fully commit the next 3-4 years to the team; then the Vikes would be fools to pass up the opportunity just wait on Grandpa Favre and his gimpy ankle every offseason.

Posted by: p1funk | August 12, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Redskins fans! You are not a rival.

Posted by: jbworldwide | August 12, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26
My bad, I must be at work. Thus have to restate something in a way that one can accept it, even though I'll say the exact same thing in a different way - lol

Instead of "earned 3 Lombardi trophies", the Dallas Cowboys OWNED by Jerry Jones won 3 titles in 4 years, meaning the 3 trophies today are at JERRY'S STADIUM that he OWNS.
My bad

Posted by: kedavis | August 12, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

You should be saying F Dan, for his annual offseason failure and hype leading to nothing...

Posted by: kedavis | August 12, 2010 7:55 AM


Dude, you are about 9 months late with your whole "scru Dan" take.

The blog here has beaten that horse to pulpy pink liquid.

Dan finally wisened up, hired some adults to run the show and is rightly stepping back to a role of signing checks and appearing at charity events.

So unless you are part of the delusional crowd that's holding their breath until Dan sells the team, shake it off.

Or if you think Jerry is such a great guy, go jump on a Brokeback blog and have at it with the Cowpies...

Posted by: p1funk | August 12, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Geez...what's with the infestation of Cowdung fans all of a sudden? Seems to me they're really worried about Opening Day if they're coming up here in droves to talk sh*t...

Anyone know a good exterminator?

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Geez...what's with the infestation of Cowdung fans all of a sudden? Seems to me they're really worried about Opening Day if they're coming up here in droves to talk sh*t...

Anyone know a good exterminator?

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse


No kidding.

They come up here to tell us - "The Skins aren't our rivals"!

They come to sing the praises of the 'Girls and dump on the Skins.

Funny...if we are not their rivals, if we are so far back in their rear-view, then one wonders why they are taking the time and energy to come up here and blog about it??

Posted by: p1funk | August 12, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Best African American Quarterback in the history of the NFL.

1. Warren Moon

2. Steve McNair

3. Donovon McNabb

4. Randall Cunningham

5. ?

6. ?

7. ?

9. Doug Williams

10. ?

11. ?

13. ?

14. ?

15. Tony Banks (tie)

15. Byron Leftwich (tie)


Conclusion: Our judges feel that had most of them not been converted to wide receiver, this black quarterback list would be much longer.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 11, 2010 8:34 PM

Pepper needs top be placed somewhere on this list...thinking 7

Posted by: PlayAction | August 12, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 11, 2010 8:34 PM


Isn't Doug Williams the only one of the group to win a Super Bowl?

Considering that is "the prize" in football, I'd think that would earn him something more than 9th.

Posted by: p1funk | August 12, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Agree on Steve Jackson...dude is definitely earning his keep. Sticking around for his 3rd coaching regime should be a solid indication of that.

Not sure I'm with you on Landry...I'm willing to give him another year or two to prove himself now that's playing for a REAL coaching staff that will use their players properly.

Moreover, I believe that you can get along without ANY player. Football is the ultimate team sport and it takes all 11 to get the job done. Warren Sapp had a great line on NFLN the other day...he said "I can break your fingers one by one, but if you ball 'em up into a fist, you've got a powerful weapon." It's a great point...it doesn't matter if you've got a couple individual talents on defense if you don't have 11 guys playing together as one effective unit.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 7:53 AM
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I was behind Landry doing much better this year because of the scheme change and his move to strong safety. Then I read about how one practice the coaches were yelling at him for flubbing his coverage on a deep pass over and over. Now, I'm not so sold on the guy. I think he's a great athlete, but something upstairs just isn't clicking. This makes me ask, "Does Kareem Moore stand out because he is really that awesome, or does he stand out because he really is that much better in coverage when compared to Landry?" Both safeties in this scheme will need to occasionally drop back in one-deep or two deep zone, and if Landry keeps biting on fakes, it will make the whole defense weaker.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 12, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Exactly pfunk...by their logic, they're essentially talking sh*t to a 5th grader on the basketball court. If it's such an easy foe why are you acting threatened?

I think a few Cowdung fans were on YouTube and saw their boy Aikman get crushed for good by #56 and started having visions of #98 putting a similar beat down on Homo.

On the black QB list...how about judging QBs on their game and not their skin tone? Seems to me Doug Williams, Donovan McNabb, and Warren Moon would appreciate that a helluva lot more than being named "greatest black QB ever". Just a thought...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Could the trade of Donovan McNabb be the "curse" for Philly? Kevin Kolb is DEFINITELY in it now, hope he's up to it!!!

Posted by: darylandmelanie1 | August 12, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

"Considering that is "the prize" in football, I'd think that would earn him (D Williams) something more than 9th."

Point taken.

I mean, at the end of the day, what really matters is how many rings a guy gets.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 12, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Conclusion: Our judges feel that had most of them not been converted to wide receiver, this black quarterback list would be much longer.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 11, 2010 8:34 PM

Pepper needs top be placed somewhere on this list...thinking 7

Posted by: PlayAction | August 12, 2010 8:28 AM
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Ditto Culpepper. Also, if you are going to put perennial scrubs like Leftwich on your list, you have to add Michael Vick and maybe even Vince Young.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 12, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Must be an Obama thing because Lord knows the Redskins weren't any good under Bush!

Good Night!

Posted by: PampaTex | August 11, 2010 10:16 PM

Rise and shine!Get your ass up PamperTex!Thats a good name too cuz you're full of shti!Damn sight-seeing,you done started a whole heap of trouble with that crap you posted last night.You probably could get away with that in March or April,aint too much happening on the blog cuz we're hibernating,but you come thru here on the eve of pre-season with that?Thats a no sir and a negative.Too close to the season Pamper.Now you and Mrs.Pamper and the Pamplets get on back to Texas where you belong and we'll be talking atcha again in about a month.BYE!!

Posted by: smittdiddy | August 12, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

RSH, camp is the time to get all the screw ups out of the way. Landry can look like hot garbage in camp if it means he won't do it on game days. I give him till the bye week this year and after that he'd better look like a bonafide starter at strong safety.

Speaking of safety, apparently Chris Chambers is disinterested in his since dude just MARRIED HIS STALKER!

http://bossip.com/275475/we-kinda-understand-dudes-wife-ing-up-hoes-but-dudes-are-wife-ing-up-stalkers-now-too/

NOW I can honestly say I've seen it all...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

"...if you are going to put perennial scrubs like Leftwich on your list, you have to add Michael Vick and maybe even Vince Young."

Posted by: RedSkinHead

W/L Record


Byron Leftwich: 24-25

Micheal Vick: 38-28-1

Vince Young: 26-13

"Perennial scrubs"? I thinks not. No, these guys aren't elite QBs, but they ain't a bunch of f-ing Heath Shulers either. All have had big success in the NFL -- notably Vick.

No one ever confused Vick for Tom Brady on the field, but to suggest that the guy has been awful his entire career is wrong. His numbers and W/L record proves otherwise.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 12, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

McNabb ought to have a chip on his shoulder the size of Delaware with the way he's been treated and dissed.

This season will sure say a lot about where he falls among NFL QBs, current and history.

Posted by: kone | August 12, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Oh boy...more W/L records for individual players...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Doug Williams the only one of the group to win a Super Bowl?

Considering that is "the prize" in football, I'd think that would earn him something more than 9th.

Posted by: p1funk | August 12, 2010 8:32 AM

And this is because football is an individual sport, like golf or tennis. No one else was out there with those black QBs.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 12, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"...if you are going to put perennial scrubs like Leftwich on your list, you have to add Michael Vick and maybe even Vince Young."


Last time I checked, Leftwich will be a stiller starter up until Big Ben returns from his suspension.

Vick will have to wait until Kolb implodes to get full time on the field, and that's like waiting for bad cooking.

And in hindsight, all M Vick did in Atlanta was give M Schaub time to learn the game.

D Culpepper has been outed as a fraud who looked great as he was tossing 40 yards airballs to R Moss and C Carter--without them, he has been nothing.

Our judges will stand by their list--they even support the ranking of the question marks I've supplied.


Posted by: MistaMoe | August 12, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

vince young still has a ton of upside, is still very young and aside from the anxiety/depression meltdown (which might have been good for him long term) he has been a leader of men on that team as evidenced by w/l, playoff appearance and him saving titans season last year after being reasserted to line up.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 12, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

redDmv

Byron Leftwich: 24-25

Micheal Vick: 38-28-1

Vince Young: 26-13


V Young has the most upside of the three.

And a mini-marquee match up I'm looking forward to is the skins v. titans contest featuring McNabb v. Young.

The quarterback play should look like the young Jedi (Young) v. Obi One (McNabb).

I'll go 'head and dub it, "The Attack of the Black Quarterback Clones" for anyone else will.

And, of course, there's AH v. his old team.

I wonder if J Fisher will be screaming 'TAMPERING' when that contest is over.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 12, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Moe, to be fair, Culpepper played his season (2004) long after Carter left Minny. Sure he still had Moss and a couple other weapons, but I think he was the real deal back then. I just think he lost his mojo after that devastating knee injury.

And please...spare me the VY love. Holla back when dude learns to read a defense...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Dear Diary

It seems everyone had a riotous good time at Wednesday night’s “Redskins Got Talent” show organized by the older veterans to help the team stay loose as we get ready for tomorrow’s pre-season opener against Buffalo.

The rules of the competition were pretty easy -- if you’re a rookie, if this is your first season with the Redskins, or if you failed to participate in at least half of the team’s voluntary off-season conditioning program, then you had to come up with a 3-5 minute song, skit or other performance to showcase your talents. At the end of the show, points would be awarded to those who received the most applause, and the winner would get a free round of mini-golf personally caddied by team owner Dan Snyder.

I think folks may have bent the rules a bit though, especially when they allowed Donovan McNabb and Joey Galloway to open the show by singing a duet -- “Mama Don’t Let Your Babies Grown Up to Be Cowboys” -- that nearly brought down the house. And who would have thought that Larry Johnson and Willie Parker could do such an entertaining rendition of the old “Who’s on First” comedy routine first made popular some 50 years ago by Abbot and Costello?

I’m afraid a couple of us rookies may have thrown some monkey wrenches into the proceedings when we set out a couple of traffic cones about 25 yards apart, put on some old Village People music and started dancing around like a bunch of coke-addicted strippers, and this worry was confirmed when Albert Haynesworth just got mean, clammed up and flat out refused to participate in his part of the show -- which was supposed to be his own interpretation of the popular Swan Lake ballet -- saying he’d rather pay “any crack ho” to caddy for him than have that “sniveling little runt” anywhere near his bags.

Fortunately, Trent Williams rescued the evening when he offered up with a near pitch-perfect medley of Justin Bieber’s greatest hits -- that soon had us all singing along, and it so moved celebrity judge Chris Cooley that he excused himself to another room and started texting pictures of his junk to everyone on his contact lists.

(Old) Coach Shanahan then closed out the evening with a passable ventriloquist act -- guest starring his son as the wooden dummy -- that seemed to go over most people’s heads. But we all laughed anyway, because after all -- he is the head coach, and he will soon be making decisions on who gets to stay with the team this season and who must go.

And since no one really wants go golfing with Dan -- especially since we can barely tolerate the twerp on the best of days (that is, paydays) -- (Old) Coach Shanahan decided to step up and “take one for the team.” So everyone gave him a loud and prolonged standing ovation -- and that allowed him to earn the top prize.

All in all, I didn’t realize we had so much talent -- but now that I’ve seen it, I’m really psyched about the season ahead. Watch out Buffalo!

Until next time,

Yur BFF!!

Posted by: Vic1 | August 12, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

V Young has the most upside of the three.

He also has the worst arm of the three.

Posted by: Predator48 | August 12, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Moe, to be fair, Culpepper played his season (2004) long after Carter left Minny. Sure he still had Moss and a couple other weapons, but I think he was the real deal back then. I just think he lost his mojo after that devastating knee injury.

And please...spare me the VY love. Holla back when dude learns to read a defense...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 9:19 AM

Pepper sure did piss me off back in the day when he'd constantly steal rushing TDs from my fantasy RB at the time Robert Smith!

Posted by: PlayAction | August 12, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse


Byron Leftwich: 24-25

Micheal Vick: 38-28-1

Vince Young: 26-13


"Perennial scrubs"? I thinks not. No, these guys aren't elite QBs, but they ain't a bunch of f-ing Heath Shulers either. All have had big success in the NFL -- notably Vick.

No one ever confused Vick for Tom Brady on the field, but to suggest that the guy has been awful his entire career is wrong. His numbers and W/L record proves otherwise.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 12, 2010 8:55 AM |

Can't really call Schuler a perennial loser. Although I wouldn't really call Leftwich or Vick a perennial loser neither are very good. Vick could run but his accuracy was suspect at best. Leftwich was just kinda there...similar to JC.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 12, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

re: Doug Williams-

Career:
Pass attempts 2,507
Pass completions 1,240
Percentage 49.5
TD-INT 100-93
Passing yards 16,998
QB rating 69.4


Superbowl MVP is what elevates him to middle of the pack status.

Posted by: Original_etrod | August 12, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

The last face lift must be pulling too tight; it's cutting off what little oxygen was going to his brain.

Posted by: SorrySkins | August 12, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

re: Doug Williams-

Career:
Pass attempts 2,507
Pass completions 1,240
Percentage 49.5
TD-INT 100-93
Passing yards 16,998
QB rating 69.4


Superbowl MVP is what elevates him to middle of the pack status.

Posted by: Original_etrod | August 12, 2010 9:36 AM

Ouch...he did start out with a pitiful organization though...and rating improved nearly every year to average roughly 80ish in his final years...middle of the pack is about right

Posted by: PlayAction | August 12, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Oh boy...more W/L records for individual players...

Posted by: brownwood26


The hyperbole and sarcasm artist is in full swing this morning, I see. Maybe you should read a little more thoroughly because I AM TALKING ABOUT WINS AND LOSSES. What other stat should I provide? His shoe size?


OH BOY Um, last time I checked W/L was one of MANY stats that measures the value of a QB. Not just a an individual player, but just for QBs. You know, like they do with super bowl wins... Never said it was everything or end all be all. It isn't like RSH said these guys were inaccurate passers and I'm trying to play contrarian to that fact. I'm talking about wins and losses. If you're going to claim that a guy is a "perennial loser" then you have to provide a stat that he isn't.

Like a win/loss record.


And no one is giving Vince Young any type of "love". All people are saying that the guy has upside and potential based off his talent and youth. He isn't as bad as you want or make him out to be.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 12, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

A-one
A-two
A-three

Hit it:

Beep beep!

Posted by: beep-beep | August 12, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

"...if you are going to put perennial scrubs like Leftwich on your list, you have to add Michael Vick and maybe even Vince Young."

Posted by: RedSkinHead


W/L Record


Byron Leftwich: 24-25

Micheal Vick: 38-28-1

Vince Young: 26-13


"Perennial scrubs"? I thinks not. No, these guys aren't elite QBs, but they ain't a bunch of f-ing Heath Shulers either. All have had big success in the NFL -- notably Vick.

No one ever confused Vick for Tom Brady on the field, but to suggest that the guy has been awful his entire career is wrong. His numbers and W/L record proves otherwise.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 12, 2010 8:55 AM
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I think you read that wrong, or maybe I just didn't write it the way I thought it, but I was saying if you are going to put a perennial scrub on the list like Leftwich, then these two guys are better... Vince Young may be a head case off the field, but I think he has some athletic gifts. Michael Vick has his own issues, but he changed the dynamic of the game. Leftwich, on the other hand, just never impressed me.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 12, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I don't and no one should really care what Jerry Jones thinks when it comes to players.. but we should care what Andy Reid does. And Reid made a statement first trading McNabb, then trading him to the Redskins. He's saying McNabb is on downside of career and the Redskins with the team they have wil not improve enough to pass the Eagles with him. He may be right.. time will tell. I say McNabb is a huge upgrade over Campell no doubt BUT giving up the 2nd round pick for him when Jimmy Clausen was available could come back to haunt this team.

Posted by: sovine08 | August 12, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Must have been Old Owner Happy Hour.

First Al Davis says Jason Campbell is Jim Plunkett, then Scary Jerry says Kolb is more consistent than McNabb. SMH

Where's Mr. Rooney?

Posted by: MadeRED | August 12, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

re: Doug Williams-

Career:
Pass attempts 2,507
Pass completions 1,240
Percentage 49.5
TD-INT 100-93
Passing yards 16,998
QB rating 69.4
Superbowl MVP is what elevates him to middle of the pack status.
Posted by: Original_etrod
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You are correct. Williams had the greatest QUARTER in football history (during football's biggest game) but other than that average at best. The three best Black QB's were/are. Warren Moon, Steve McNair and Donovan McNabb.

Posted by: sovine08 | August 12, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Why does the headline say that Jones said the Eagles are "better off with McNabb?" He didn't say anything of the kind. He seemed to be saying that Kolb was steady but unspectacular and that the Eagles would be fine with him. But he never said better.

So, why the inaccurate headline? Actually, we know why - it sounds controversial and is therefore more interesting than the truth. A better question might be, do you really think it's a good idea to mis-characterize and "bait and switch" like that?

It might make Jerry Jones mad if he reads it. But you know what...? it kind of bugs me too.

Posted by: bigfoot1 | August 12, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

As a Redskins fan, I've been thinking that McNabb is kind of an up and down QB for awhile now, especially as he's gotten older and lost some of his mobility. I wasn't overjoyed when they picked him up, although I did like the fact that they didn't overpay for him. I also think he's probably better than Jason Campbell, although I don't know for sure, and would have loved to see Campbell in the more stable, more professional circumstance that the Redskins now have. I haven't heard anything out of training camp thus far that really makes me change my opinion of McNabb. He's a great leader, but a little spotty as a passer. Almost all of the observers at Redskins park this year have said that McNabb has been a great leader, but that as a passer he's been up and down. Sometimes facts are facts.

Posted by: sonny2 | August 12, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I don't think he was praising Kolb by putting McNabb down. He was basically saying that Kolb won't be prone to high highs or low lows. He could consistently suck or be consistently good. Jones is still an idiot though.

Posted by: authorofpoetry | August 12, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

VIC1 you need to create your own site or blog or something. You BFF camp stories are hilarious!! thats the 1st thing I look for everyday.

Posted by: digger76 | August 12, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Great!! keep the quotes coming, tape them to donovan's locker. I feel a superbowl coming soon!!

Posted by: csquare67 | August 12, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I think he could apply that same thought to his own QB. Who by the way has yet to reach McNabb's accomplishments. Can you say NFC Championship Jerry? Hey Jerry, Emmit, Troy and Michael are gone. Win something, then talk. You comments are soo 1990's

Posted by: ged0386 | August 12, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

F Dallas

Posted by: DCFanatic | August 12, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Jerry, you just guaranteed McNabb will play his best. Now Donavan knows why all Redskin fans hate the Cowgirls guts. How arrogant is Jerry? He acts like he won the Superbowl last year not the team that has won 1 playoff game.

Posted by: JAMNEW | August 12, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

please don't equake winning is the only thing to a good life or the joy of sports!!!...so many folks would just die to have on a uniform 'outside of Halloween' if just for one training camp! too bad Dirty Jones didn't live out his fantasy of being the 'stud-man-on-the field. he wasn't sober - so now the 'fool drinks and spends and dreams. i wonder what he'll do if he loses the opener - DRINK.

Posted by: aypub | August 12, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

please don't equake winning is the only thing to a good life or the joy of sports!!!...so many folks would just die to have on a uniform 'outside of Halloween' if just for one training camp! too bad Dirty Jones didn't live out his fantasy of being the 'stud-man-on-the field. he wasn't sober - so now the 'fool drinks and spends and dreams. i wonder what he'll do if he loses the opener - DRINK.

Posted by: aypub | August 12, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been scared since I had to fight Chris Harris at recess in the 4th grade.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 11, 2010 12:33 PM

You threw down with Chris Harris too? He was an ahole!

Posted by: PlayAction | August 11, 2010 12:40 PM

Chris was short for Christine and she used to stomp a mud hole in RED and walk it dry..

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 11, 2010 6:02 PM |
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ROTFLMAO!!!

I empathize. I got whooped by a girl named Cotillia when I was in the 3rd grade. She beat me like it was her day job.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | August 12, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones is on point with his comments. D.M. was very inconsistent with the Eagles and will continue to do so with Wash. At least in Philly, his deficiency was well hidden with the great Oline they had. Now it will be open season on him as Washingtons Oline is awful and will record the most sacks given up by a team in one season. No wide receivers to pass to and no running backs to give room for him to pass. Jerry Jones and Dallas are licking their chops to get a piece of the Skins. Tony Romo is going to have a field day with Dez Bryant. Cowboys rule, we own the Redskins!

Posted by: cowboy4life | August 12, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Thank you bug-eyed, leather faced Jerry!! Here's hoping that the Donovan-led Skins throw the "knockout punch" to your annoying team and its fans September 12 and every time we meet after that!!

Posted by: refusetogivein | August 12, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Lisen up to all you COWDUCK Fans out there....F DALLAS..with a SICK D!CK..!!

Thats right!! Let me break it down. Tony Romo has no heart, and never will. Dez Bryant gotta get on the field first,
and stay healthy. Go comment on your team getting bruised and battered in pratice. How can Jerry Jones lick his chops when he has no teeth for real? It's open season on Dallas and that Weak A$$ secondary!!! ROY OH i dont get the ball A.k.A Little TO...HAHHAAHH Please..again Jason Witten will catch more balls..in his mouth than the Wideouts for your team..that's not good!! May all COWfluff fans take a Jack Link's 30 foot Deer and Dog Jerky in the BUTT!!!

First... AL "AKA I wear a track suit and never run" Davis?? Now Jerkey Jones AKA MR facelift??? HAHAH they got my skins on their mind...worry about ya own team!! HAIL!!

Posted by: Airchuck | August 12, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones is on point with his comments. D.M. was very inconsistent with the Eagles and will continue to do so with Wash. At least in Philly, his deficiency was well hidden with the great Oline they had. Now it will be open season on him as Washingtons Oline is awful and will record the most sacks given up by a team in one season. No wide receivers to pass to and no running backs to give room for him to pass. Jerry Jones and Dallas are licking their chops to get a piece of the Skins. Tony Romo is going to have a field day with Dez Bryant. Cowboys rule, we own the Redskins!

Posted by: cowboy4life
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I'd rather have the type of inconsistency that wins the NFC East Division and then goes deep into the playoffs including 4 NFC Championship games and 1 Super Bowl than to have Tony 1-and-done Romo.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | August 12, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"I don't see that now in Kolb."

In what? The three or four games he's actually played in in his "career?"

Posted by: AsstGM | August 12, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Jefferson Street Joe Gilliam

Posted by: ShovelPlease | August 12, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

And Dallas is better off with Danny White than Tony Romo. Shut up, Jerry!

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | August 12, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Every now and then even a moron says something true.

Judging from the posts, he definitely hit a nerve among Skins fans. The truth hurts, I guess.

Posted by: loux24 | August 12, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

And dallas has been so scary the past 10 years, too!! F-U JJ

Posted by: aginsburg | August 12, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

who cares what j. jones says does not matter, he has 3 super-bowl trophies..and the moron in washington has ZERO" he is a real loser and dummy. If washington can control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball they will win if not look for more loss's.

Posted by: wathu19 | August 12, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I cannot wait for the Dallas game and when Jerry see's his pansy QB get ragged dolled and then McNabb score repeatedly, I am gonna laugh so freaking hard they are gonna hear me in Dallas. Jerry Jones... What an asshat

Posted by: erthdog | August 12, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

F.U.C.K. Jerry Jones and the horse he rode in on! Old geeser! I sure hope that the Redskins post this artical on McNabb`s locker! I would love to be a fly on the wall when the Redskins kick the s.h.i.t out of his team! Face streching looser! His mouth is like door nob, everybody gets a turn! He has splinters in his mouth and I have a wooden d.i.c.k!! Do the math!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | August 12, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

BTW,F-Dallas!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | August 12, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Don't be haters, Skins fans. Deep down, you all know the Eagles traded him to a division rival for a reason.

Posted by: loux24 | August 12, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Sorry skins fans, here are 6 words you will never hear..
"McNabb hits his receiver in stride"

After 10 years of watching McNabb avoid interceptions by throwing the ball at receivers shoe laces, I'm curious to see what he does in DC,

No hate, just reality, look at every one of DeSean Jacksons touchdowns, they all start with him reaching down or turning back to the line of scrimmage.

Posted by: djamesnm | August 12, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Great picture Washington Post. Our A--kickin winner QB looking distressed, while the enemy loser of a owner is a somebody. Wouldn't an article pages long with accolades from Owners, General Managers, Coaches, Scouts, Players, and Def co-ordinators been more easy and appropriate. they are everywhere-but undesired Post material. Stop being minority clowns and get with the positive majority.

Posted by: CTaylor42 | August 12, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

And please...spare me the VY love. Holla back when dude learns to read a defense...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 12, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Or a book without pictures.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 13, 2010 5:07 AM | Report abuse

Um, Jerry....nobody REALLY cares what you think.

Posted by: linroy62 | August 13, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

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