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Kelly, Thomas may benefit from working with McNabb

During the past two seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles, quarterback Donovan McNabb played an instrumental role in the development of young wide receivers DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin. McNabb also plans to do what he can to help Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly.

"It's all in just spending time with 'em and building that rapport with 'em," McNabb said. "For DeSean, he came in with an attitude and with a hunger to be the best. And Maclin came in with that same attitude, obviously two years later. And when you have two young guys who are willing to work, good things happen.

"Just from talking to these guys [Thomas and Kelly], knowing Malcolm before he was drafted, talking to Devin, knowing Santana Moss, those guys are willing to work. They're looking for success. And when you have guys who are willing to do, they'll come out here on the practice field when it's just us, and we'll go out and throw. We'll communicate with each other out on the field."

By Jason Reid  |  April 6, 2010; 5:00 PM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb , Jason Reid  
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Kelly and Thomas sure as hell better benefit from working with McNabb.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 6, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"2 super Bowl rings compared to Zero rings and arguably the biggest choke job during a final drive in a Super Bowl."

Wait, so you're saying Elway wasn't a big-game choke artist prior to Shanahan's arrival? Elway was a 3-time Super Bowl loser prior to Shanny.

But he consistently got Denver deep in the playoffs. He just couldn't win it.

Just like McNabb.

Now check their stats against each other.

Heck, check their playing styles. Both were/are semi-mobile (very mobile early in their careers), strong armed QBs that weren't terribly accurate.

The similarities between the two are almost uncanny. Everything from team successes/failures, statistics, playing style, reputation, etc.

Why else do you think Shanahan would take a so-called "rebuilding" team and trade for a 33-year old QB? I'm betting he sees a lot similarities to golden boy Elway.

Posted by: psps23 | April 6, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | April 6, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Why is there never a mention of Marko Mitchell. The guy did nothing but impress when he had the opportunity last year. I hope he gets a fair shot this year because he looked like a serious play maker.

Posted by: chitownskinsfan | April 6, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

sigh. unfair to compare to jasno a born blogger but enough already! i dont have to read who wrote what. the painfully obvious posts lacking any voice are j reids. the ones with breaking news, actual analysis and a voice are r maeses -- can the wp at least put dudes picture up top?!

Posted by: rooster13 | April 6, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I hope Shanahan has confidence in Kelly and Thomas. I don't think he believes in them yet. We'll see, I'm hoping they both have great seasons.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | April 6, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

If Shanny can provide some kind of consistent run game to prop up McNabb, then that would be ideal.

Posted by: p1funk

Didn't we say similar things about Campbell?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Not saying Elway, but outside of Manning and Breese name me 5 other QB's that you would rather have..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa

Sure, not hard to name 5, but I couldn't name 10:

Brady
Rodgers
Schaub
Rivers
romo (OK, that one's mostly to tick you off)


Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

you get the jist though.. Better question, would you rather have Kevin Kolb? or JC?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa

I do get it. McNabb is a good QB. About 10th best in the NFL.

Kevin Kolb vs JC? Never seen Kolb play. Would JC be better in philly playing behind a better OL with decent RBs, very good receivers and a very good coach? Yeah.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Why is there never a mention of Marko Mitchell. The guy did nothing

Posted by: chitownskinsfan | April 6, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

He may be talented, but you post answers its own question

Posted by: rupertpupkin | April 6, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

PSP... you are comparing a Denver team that was talented and had an OLINE that wasn't the worst in the modern age. Now I will agree that our oline will not be nearly as bad as it was last year, but I do not think, and I doubt any of us think, that its going to be anything but mediocre (at best).

That Denver team that won back to back superbowls was a solid team. The year before they won the superbowl they went 13-3 and went to the playoffs. Before that, 8-8, before that 10-4-1 and the year before that 11-5. Clearly a better team that had the talent to compete and make the playoffs regularly... Skins... hmm 4-12, 8-8, 9-7... get the picture. There are similarities between Elway and Mcnabb... but not the two teams.... and even if Mcnabb was the best QB in the history of the world (which he isn't and he might not even be the best QB in our division anymore), he could not take THIS TEAM and win a superbowl with it. It just has too many holes and is too many head cases to overcome....

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 6, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I for one would appreciate it if the bus would quit doing back and forths over JC17's dismembered corpse.

I'd like for the Redskins to be able to more than an 8th round pick for the guy.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 6, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

A hall of famer who he helped build as the QB's coach and then did what the other coach couldn't with Elway win a SB two infact. Keep trying!!!

Posted by: Flounder21

We will, but you gotta promise to keep trying to write in English.

Posted by: TheCork | April 6, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"Said Baldinger (via Sheil Kapadia of philly.com): "The Eagles should be ecstatic. I view McNabb as a flawed player, and it was never more apparent than in the back-to-back losses to the Cowboys last season. His flaws will never go away. Now, the Eagles get at least two chances to expose the same flaws they've been covering up for 11 years. It works against the Redskins that McNabb is still in the division. Andy Reid can finally stop covering up for one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. The Eagles will go to the playoffs. The Redskins will be watching from the golf course."

Posted by 4th


Rush, what have you done with Brian?

Posted by: TheCork | April 6, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I bet either Thomas or Kelly will end up getting packaged with Carter and Landry in a trade, maybe for Marshall. I hope not.

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 6, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

If Shanny can provide some kind of consistent run game to prop up McNabb, then that would be ideal.

Posted by: p1funk

Didn't we say similar things about Campbell?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse


Yup. McNabb or no McNabb, it still needs fixing...

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth trade talk continues to heat up
Posted by Mike Florio on April 6, 2010 5:23 PM ET
We were shocked last week when he heard that defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth could be part of a deal that would have allowed the Redskins to move from No. 4 to No. 1 in the draft, setting up the selection of quarterback Sam Bradford.

And we were shocked again when hearing on Saturday that the trade talks between the Redskins and Eagles for quarterback Donovan McNabb included the opportunity for the Eagles to take Haynesworth.

The Eagles didn't want Haynesworth, but that hasn't kept the Redskins from continuing the effort to move him. Jason Reid of the Washington Post reports that the Redskins are attempting to trade Haynesworth, and that a deal could be made before the April 22 draft. Jason La Canfora of NFL.com reports that coach Mike Shanahan's initial meeting with Haynesworth "did not go well," and that Shanahan wants to "break the culture of players being too empowered at Redskins Park." (In this regard, Shanny may want to urge the guy who signs the checks to quit striking up friendships with them.)

Per La Canfora (as reported Monday by John Clayton of ESPN), the Titans and the Rams are believed to be in play for Haynesworth.

But what about the notion that the $21 million bonus Haynesworth earned on April 1 makes him untradeable? The Redskins potentially would get some of that money back from Haynesworth's new team as part of a trade. Also, a trade in an uncapped environment would allow the Redskins to wipe Haynesworth's contract off the books. Waiting a year or two would result in cap consequences, assuming that the salary cap returns.

Besides, it's our understanding that the $21 million was backed up by future guaranteed salaries. Thus, even if the Redskins had dumped Haynesworth before the start of the 2010 league year, the Redskins would have been on the hook for all or part of that money. Given the high value that teams place on draft picks, the Redskins opted instead to pay the money and to preserve the ability to finagle value in exchange for Haynesworth via trade.

The question then becomes whether the compensation will come in the form of cash, in the form of draft picks, in the form of players, or in the form of some combination of the three. Either way, it looks like the market for Haynesworth is open. The question is whether anyone wants to mess with a guy who, as expected, became less of a player once he got paid.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 6, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

DRAMA AT REAGAN INTERNATIONAL
(A phone call)

SAM BRADFORD: Mike. It's Sam Bradford. I'm at the airport.

MIKE SHANAHAN: Who?

SB: Bradford. The, uh quarterback you invited here?

MS: Oh, hell. I forgot to send a limo.

SB: Yeah. I'm in baggage claim. When will it be here.

SM: Actually, it's with Donovan. Say, do you think you could catch a cab out to the park? Or should we just meet you at Mickey D's?

Posted by: TheCork | April 6, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

The OL is really the issue -- and its my main criticism of the McNabb deal. A 2nd (really the equivalent of a late 1st given that 2010 has so many underclassmen coming out) and a 3rd next year are significant resources.

Our 2nd and 3rd round picks, going back to 2003:

Derrick Dockery, Taylor Jacobs, Chris Cooley, Rocky Mc, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Fred Davis, Chad Rinehart, Kevin Barnes and Jeremy Jarmon.

10 guys. 3 of those guys are solid pros (DD, CC and Rocky). 1 more is close (Davis). 2 have shown potential to play at this level and 2 were rookies last year, too early to tell. Only Jacobs and Rinehart are busts.

There was considerable talent to be harvested from the picks we gave to philly. The #37 pick is roughly the same as what we used to select Thomas and Rocky.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

If Shanny can rebuild the offensive line this year, then his talent at producing a running game will make McNabb an incredible addition. The one thing McNabb has never had is a consistent running game and a commitment to use it by Porky Pig. I'm going to say this right now, not even being a fan of McNabb, but if we combine his ability to bomb the heck out of teams with a running game, even his weakness in short passing game accuracy will be overcome by Cooley and Davis.

The more objectively I look at this addition, I see win written all over it - and - if McNabb feels welcomed by both staff and fans, I'm feeling that he will repay us with an incredible season. Now we just need to get him to beat the Cowpukes.

Posted by: laserwizard | April 6, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

i understand everyone saying we're screwing over the youth movement, getting rid of draft picks, same old same old, but i don't agree.

we have been a poor team for 20 years, how do you change a losing culture? with the proper leadership and guys that everyone in the organization has to listen to.

Shanny at head coach was step one and we've read many times how the players are following his lead.

McNabb is step two. QB's are the leaders of the players and we need one with a strong resume and leadership skills. As much as i like campbell and am sad about how we treated him, he wasn't/isn't the right type of leader for this team and its losing culture. a team that has a history of winning, he coulda been much better but he's too nice and doesn't demand enough respect. Even with McNabb's flaws, even if he doesn't play better than Campbell, the hope is that every player on this team will play better by his demanding respect, following his lead and believing in him, which will overall make mcnabb look better. a 2nd round pick to attempt to change the culture around here seems cheap.

the example i use for this is the arizona cardinals. Brought two coaches in wisenhunt and grimm who came from success and a QB who demanded respect in warner, the rest of the pieces will come together.

Also, response to things ive seen discussed

-shanny has proven he knows oline in the past so i trust he knows what he's doing in terms of making it strong enough, w/ or w/o draft

-w/ how much young talent is going to be available next year (two draft classes worth of fresh unrestricted FAs instead of one) and what id assume is a weaker draft class due to the strength of this one due to ppl trying to enter before lockout and rookie salary drop, maybe next year's picks don't matter as much, as much as ive hated it in the past, maybe the FA signings and the trading of next years draft picks is actually an okay way to go.

Posted by: hb_321 | April 6, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

things we have learned this off season -- so far

1. There is a plan that Shanallen are following - we may not just understand it yet
2. It's the coaches way or the highway -- re Fat Al
3. We have a real QB
4. DM5 has two good TEs to throw to, something he did not have for years in Philly

things we can hope for
1. Having DM5 will make DT11, MK12 and Sanata all better instantly, QB knows when and where to throw the ball
2. Oline gets address at some point

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 6, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"Kevin Kolb vs JC? Never seen Kolb play. Would JC be better in philly playing behind a better OL with decent RBs, very good receivers and a very good coach? Yeah.Posted by: zcezcest1"

Philly's a flawed club -- better than Washington, sure, but they've got their own o-line problems. Heck, even the Jints have some problems there, and a year ago they looked invincible.

But Philly seems to be entering rebuilding mode, unlike the Skins.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 6, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Marko Mitchell dropped a couple of balls during the Chargers game... check the stats, its not about the coach if a guy cant get into a game, sometimes he just sucks but we'll see about him this year

Posted by: Istudydrugs | April 6, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Why is there never a mention of Marko Mitchell. The guy did nothing but impress when he had the opportunity last year. I hope he gets a fair shot this year because he looked like a serious play maker.

Posted by: chitownskinsfan


I have bee thinking this the entire offseason. He loked ready to start coming out of pre-season. i hope he is still in the program for 2010

Posted by: arussell2829 | April 6, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Why is there never a mention of Marko Mitchell. The guy did nothing but impress when he had the opportunity last year. I hope he gets a fair shot this year because he looked like a serious play maker.

Posted by: chitownskinsfan


I have bee thinking this the entire offseason. He looked ready to start coming out of pre-season. i hope he is still in the program for 2010

Posted by: arussell2829 | April 6, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I still don't know if either of these guys are "pure" receivers, but Thomas will make plays and Kelly will learn to use his size.

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Posted by: itkonlyyouqq | April 6, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

They need to step it up. Desean Jackson has made these two look like losers which they may be

Posted by: skinsfanfrmbirth | April 6, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Time for Kelly and Thomas to step up or make room for somebody who will. T.O. has been sufficiently humbled and would be glad to take one of their jobs. C'mon Snyder, you wouldn't be able to print up enough McNabb and T.O. jerseys to keep up with demand. Do it!

Posted by: coparker5 | April 6, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

McPuke will take us further into the mediocrity we have come to passively enjoy. Funny how he says he paid no attention to the Philly media/fanbase, then proceeded to talk about the Philly media/fanbase in a passive/aggressive way at his intro. presser. We have a true narcissist on our hands now.

Posted by: jshoup5 | April 7, 2010 6:06 AM | Report abuse

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