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Kyle Shanahan: Donovan McNabb knew benching was a possibility

In another twist to the ongoing controversy resulting from quarterback Donovan McNabb's surprising late-game benching against Detroit, Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan on Tuesday said McNabb was informed early last week of the possibility he could be removed from the game because of his performance, and then McNabb quickly contradicted the team's play caller on his weekly radio show.

Frustrated about the perception that McNabb is not in shape, Shanahan moved to clarify Coach Mike Shanahan's recent comments about the decision to remove McNabb with 1 minute 50 seconds remaining in the Lions' 37-25 victory Sunday at Ford Field.

Immediately after the game, Shanahan cited McNabb's unfamiliarity with Washington's two-minute offense in comparison to backup quarterback Rex Grossman, who played in the Mike Shanahan-designed offense under Kyle Shanahan last season with the Houston Texans. While addressing reporters Monday, Mike Shanahan elaborated on his thinking, saying that McNabb's numerous injuries (McNabb has been slowed because of hamstring problems on both legs) and lack of cardiovascular endurance also contributed to the move that left many within the locker room stunned.

Speaking with reporters after practice Tuesday at Redskins Park, Kyle Shanahan made a point of addressing McNabb's supposed lack of conditioning, extending the interview session after a senior team employee attempted to end things.

"I do want to clear up, though, what I saw yesterday on the cardiovascular stuff. I think that came off wrong for him [McNabb]," Shanahan said. "It came down to last week, when on Monday and Tuesday, we were gonna, because of his hamstring issues, we were deciding that hey, 'This guy's hurting.'

"We know he won't take himself out, [but] we don't think he should play. We gotta rest him. We'll get him better for the rest of the year. Don being the competitor that he is, he came in and said hey, 'I will rise to the occasion. I will play.' And he talked us into it. We said, 'Hey, we understand we're gonna let you go. But if we do feel you're struggling in the game [because of injuries] ... we're going to have to go in a different direction.'"

Asked again whether McNabb definitely had been told last week about potentially being benched, Kyle Shanahan reiterated there was no confusion on that point. "Yeah," he said. "Oh, without a doubt."

Apparently, the "different direction" part was news to McNabb. Informed of Kyle Shanahan's comments during his weekly radio appearance on ESPN 980, McNabb said: "Ah, I didn't hear that part. I didn't."

McNabb acknowledged he had a conversation with Mike Shanahan early last week about "the injuries that I have, of being a little banged up, of maybe getting an opportunity to kind of rest up for the long haul, or given an opportunity to let the injuries heal a little more. But I didn't hear the word 'benching' or anything of that effect."

Mike Shanahan suggested that McNabb sit out against the Lions because of his injuries, but "I'm a competitor," McNabb said. "If you can walk, you can play."

Mike and Kyle Shanahan dismissed an ESPN report that they are dissatisfied with McNabb's practice habits. McNabb doesn't deserve the scrutiny that has received this week, Kyle Shanahan said.

"When I know why it happened, and how we've all [the Shanahans and McNabb talked], and then I hear from my friends, my wife, you guys [reporters], the [ESPN] ticker that it's because of endurance problems" that wrong, he said. "Well, endurance isn't because he doesn't work hard.

"It's 'cause you can't work hard, when you can't go full speed, when you got a guy who has two pulled hamstrings. You cannot go full speed. And when you can't go full speed for six days, you aren't going to have your best. You're not going to be in shape as much as you should be. The way it came off, I felt like it was an insult to Donovan."

There has been much media speculation about Kyle Shanahan's relationship with McNabb, but Kyle said everything is fine.

"Donovan is used to that stuff. He's a big person and that's all speculation," Kyle said. "Rex and him went out for beers last night and they invited me."

McNabb works hard, Kyle said.

"I want to clear up what he [Mike Shanahan] was saying, too, if that came off wrong to you guys [reporters]," he said. "When you say it was a cardiovascular situation, endurance, it was because the guy has two pull hamstrings and can't practice at full speed for about two weeks. Not because he's sitting around playing video games."

By Jason Reid  | November 2, 2010; 1:28 PM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb, Kyle Shanahan  
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Comments

What a HOT MESS! Lil' Shanny needs to worry more about game planning than having beers with his players.

Posted by: dcwun | November 2, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

that does clear it a bit. at least for me.

Posted by: jeromebaker | November 2, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

This makes much more sense. I still question the timing of it though.

Posted by: JulzDC | November 2, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Young Kyle seems to have inherited his Daddy's gift for diagnosing hidden injuries to players that even the players themselves don't appear to know about.

As well as his Daddy's apparent proclivity to lie whenever the situation appears to suit him.

It's no secret that Donovan has been playing through injuries this season.

It is also no secret that Donovan took a couple more licks on Sunday.

But I am still amazed the Shanahans waited until 58 minutes and 10 seconds of game time had elapsed before they finally decided that it was time to start resting their beloved QB and preparing him for the rigors of the rest of the season.

Seems like another case of unadulterated Bull-Shanny.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 2, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon should be happy. He's got another black QB to write about if we sign Jamarcus. I wonder if he thought JR got stiffed in Oakland.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 1:48 PM |

Careful cstanton1, there are some in here that aren't sophisticated enough to read your comment without shouting racism.

That said, if someone does, just call em a deuchebag and move on. Lots of bark in here with ostensibly no bite.

Cheers.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 2, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

nothing messy here.

Kyle is right to hold DM's feet to the fire and hold him accountable for his horrible play.

And both Shanahans were right to qualify their comments so as not to hint that they think DM is lazy, just that he's banged up so his conditioning isn't where it should be.

However, Matt Hasselbeck's comments about McNabb's lack of uptempo intensity in practice offers a potential view into why Shanny may be a little ticked off. Shanahan is all about high tempo practices and working your butt off. And if his QB doesn't do that in practice, and he follows it up with poor games, its no surprise there is some type of disconnect between head coach and QB.

Lets go get Sage Rosenfels.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

IF DM is unfamiliar with the 2-min offense, then what the heck are they practicing? Every game the skins play comes down to the last minutes/seconds.

Posted by: dclifer97 | November 2, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm siding with Shanny also. My point is if he had multiple reasons to why he benched McNabb, then he should have said them all at once, not a different one each day, that does make him look 2-faced and a liar.
Posted by: monk811 | November 2, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse
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Yeah, he's a straight liar about everything it seems... I just don't understand his use of the media to embarrass his players. He did it to embarrass Haynesworth, and we as fans believed he had it coming. Now, you pull your QB with 2 mins left & say all these excuses for doing it that don't make any sense. I mean you don't know what is said in back rooms, like if Shanahan told Donovan of his concerns & McNabb hasn't responded & now this. You just don't know.

Posted by: tony325 | November 2, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I just hope it doesn't get worse over the bye. Usually when a QB is benched there is a game a week later to respond to. He is already struggling enough as it is without having to look over his shoulder every play.

PF, I also wouldn't necessarily blame Jr. for the play calling. First off, I just read somewhere that McNabb calls a lot of plays anyway, now I'm not sure if he gets a set of plays and gets to pick from them or he calls his own plays until the coach overrides that and gives him new plays. Second, Jr. can only call the play, there are usually more than one option for McNabb. So McNabb chose to throw into triple coverage, not Jr.! He also can't do anything about our OLine getting manhandled.

Posted by: monk811 | November 2, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Kyle Shanahan is the OC who had the Skins go for it on 4th & 10 on their own 25 yd line when they were only 3 pts down deeo in the 4th quarter. I don't care if McNabb flubbed the 4&10 play and ran a different play than was called... It is more SHOCKING that given the offense's weak play & the position of the ball/clock time - that an OC would risk going for it. We gave the game away when we took that risk.

Reprehensible play calling that the media has failed to mention! Even my grandmother knows we should have punted.

Posted by: ameliepostroh | November 2, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The irony of working at JaCarcus in the midst of all this ... classic

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 2, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

But I am still amazed the Shanahans waited until 58 minutes and 10 seconds of game time had elapsed before they finally decided that it was time to start resting their beloved QB and preparing him for the rigors of the rest of the season.

Seems like another case of unadulterated Bull-Shanny.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 2, 2010 1:55 PM |

McNabb was sucking royal elephant penis for almost all of the game and was changing plays at the line because of his lack of grasping entirely the Shanny's system.

Shanny had a guy with fresh legs who knew the system and tried him out.

I't blew up. No big deal.

Be a big boy (this isn't soccer) and get ready for the next game.

Case Closed!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 2, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon should be happy. He's got another black QB to write about if we sign Jamarcus. I wonder if he thought JR got stiffed in Oakland.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 1:48 PM |

Careful cstanton1, there are some in here that aren't sophisticated enough to read your comment without shouting racism.

That said, if someone does, just call em a deuchebag and move on. Lots of bark in here with ostensibly no bite.

Cheers.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 2, 2010 1:55 PM |

RACISM!!!! Lol, just joking. Now lets go sign Randy.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 2, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon should be happy. He's got another black QB to write about if we sign Jamarcus. I wonder if he thought JR got stiffed in Oakland.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 1:48 PM |

Careful cstanton1, there are some in here that aren't sophisticated enough to read your comment without shouting racism.

That said, if someone does, just call em a deuchebag and move on. Lots of bark in here with ostensibly no bite.

Cheers.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl |

Well, if it isn't, what is? Did you or the other idot say "Oh, we just got John Beck, another white QB for Maese to write about."

Its a stupid comment that isn't necessary.

Posted by: dcwun | November 2, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

We also tend to forget that Donovan had just ripped off one of the longest runs of the season earlier in the game -- and presumably, on those same bad hammys?

Posted by: Vic1 | November 2, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell looks like Joe Montana compared to this guy (J Russell).


Nothing like the power of low expectations, I'd say.

We got McNabb and though, "Championship!"

Raiders' fans got Campbell and thought, "Third place!"


Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Love how people keep pointing to the 4-4 record as a reason why we shouldn't worry and why we shouldn't EVER BEGIN TO THINK about questioning "the most high" Lord "hail" Shanahan....


Wanna know the last time we all pointed to the record of the Redskins and used it as a reason to stay optimistic?

Almost two years ago: Monday November 4, 2008, 11:45 PM. They had just lost to the eventual champion Steelers. The 'skins record after the loss?

6-2

Their record from that night until Jim Zorn was fired?

6-18


Don't give that 4-4 crap. Quit trying to mask or deny the problems with the team by pointing at wins and losses... And quit it with the "We were 4-12 last year, with Campbell and Zorn, and...."

Please, just shut up already. Fans that use this sort of rational remind me of some dude who dated butter gutter trash faced chics all their lives. So when a smokin' bad joint comes their way, the chic is golden and can never do wrong in their eyes. She cheats? So what, she needed to "release" some frustrations".... She cleans out all your accounts -- she's a very caring and giving person. Calls your mama a b*tch? Well ol' mama just had that one a-comin'.....

Seriously, though. It's like some of you will never admit to any wrong doing by Shanahan simply because:


"he's won two super bowls"


"it's not his fault he had to inherit Cerrato's roster" [I thought we've decided that blaming the predecessor was strictly reserved for Barack Obama?]


"he's forgotten abut football more than I've ever learned"


"so what if he was fired from his last job? So was Belichick..."


These are the go to comebacks when defending His Holiness.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

regarding Randy Moss ... if he comes here, we cut ... Roydell. Galloway played with Moss in NE.

If you take the chance with Moss, I think you need to have someone who has some idea on how to light the fire in him. I think Galloway is the only guy in Redskins Park with recent experience with Moss.

I doubt we sign Moss, but if we do, the key is probably Galloway.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 2, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Careful cstanton1, there are some in here that aren't sophisticated enough to read your comment without shouting racism.

That said, if someone does, just call em a deuchebag and move on. Lots of bark in here with ostensibly no bite.

Cheers.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl


thx for the heads-up. And you're right...i would prolly just call em a d0uchebag and move on :)

The only writer with any sense at WaPo is Sally Jenkins. SHe's always dead on. Tracee Hamilton and Wilbon are utter morons.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

The Shanahan Duo is looking real silly right about now.

Posted by: AdamCr | November 2, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Working new nicknames for our soon-to-be newest signee:

Jamarcus Muscle-relaxer

Jamarcus Bust-ell

Hefty-Lefty

Ryan Leaf East

Jabba-marcus Russell

Jamucus Guzzle (Purple Drank)

Ja-gotta-be-kidding-me

Big Sloppy


Thank you.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 2, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2010 2:07 PM

Hilarious......

And true!

Posted by: dcwun | November 2, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"Donovan is used to that stuff. He's a big person and that's all speculation," Kyle said. "Rex and him went out for beers last night and they invited me."
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WELL WHY DIDN'T KYLE GO? Is it because he doesn't like Donovan? I think there's a story there. Get the conspiracy police on the horn. STAT!

Posted by: AdamCr | November 2, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, Galloway must be cut before RWilliams due to ST play.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 2, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

(INSERT scene: Redskins' practice area.)


Mike Shanahan obviously interested: Well, JaMarcus.

Are you drug free?

JaMarcus Russell confused: Me?

Drug free?

Naw, coach, I have to buy the ones I use.

What's free is the jail time.

You don't have to pay for that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

agree, or disagree with red, you've gotta love the way he breaks it down......well done....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

McNabb acknowledged he had a conversation with Mike Shanahan early last week about "the injuries that I have, of being a little banged up, of maybe getting an opportunity to kind of rest up for the long haul, or given an opportunity to let the injuries heal a little more. But I didn't hear the word 'benching' or anything of that effect."


That's because the word "benching" wasn't used (or at least that's what Kyle says).

Sounds to me like this is miscommunication blown waaay out of proportion. Or it's indicative of a deeper issue. Or it's a good ol' fashioned cover up. Whatever the case, I think it's time to just let this thing play out and hope for the best.

Notice how up in arms we were over AH...and that's a non-issue for about 3 weeks running...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 2, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Its a stupid comment that isn't necessary.

Posted by: dcwun

its totally necessary. Wilbon's completely predictable when it comes to his columns. Any black coach or QB immediately gets his full belligerent support. His columm on McNabb was extremely biased. No shocker there. He glossed over DM's poor performances and exaggerated the effect of Shanahan's decision.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah huh Moe,

Campbell is starting to look a lot better. Wonder what this team would be like if they could have convinced Campbell to stay and he came in for McNabb. Campbell probably is the best athlete at the QB position in the NFL.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Let's just get healthy on the bye, practice and go 7-1 or 6-2 the second half.

The last time McNabb was benched he went to the NFC Championship game. My thinking is that Shanny Inc. knew this and tried the tactic.

Let's face it, it was already game over when Grossman was put in.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 2, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

btw, one can totally agree with the McNabb benching (as I do) and still find fault in some of the things Shanahan does. Just to clarify. And frankly, some of the playcalling is suspect too. the loss to Indy I pin on Kyle. The playcalling at the end there was really bad. They could've run for the 1st down and gotten a new set of downs with plenty of time to still kick a FG to tie it up. They didn't have to keep airing it out on the last drive. Esp with a dummy like DM at QB. Expecting him to be a good consistent passer on drive after drive is silly. He's good for one out of 5 drives, and that's about it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I guess going out and drinking beer counts to cardio work? How many 12 ounce curls can he do? I thought O'Donnel was a nut...Kyle seems to be close behind her with his logic and reasonings.....And where is The Danny in all of this? In a hidden Bunker???

Posted by: nowhine | November 2, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Its a stupid comment that isn't necessary.

Posted by: dcwun

its totally necessary. Wilbon's completely predictable when it comes to his columns. Any black coach or QB immediately gets his full belligerent support. His columm on McNabb was extremely biased. No shocker there. He glossed over DM's poor performances and exaggerated the effect of Shanahan's decision.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 2:20 PM |

Toldja.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 2, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 2:20 PM

When it comes to Wilbon and McNabb, it's about more than race, if race plays any part in it at all. They are from the same part of Chicago and have become friends. Wilbon said before camp started that he was thinking of "recusing himself" from all things McNabb because he can't really be unbiased. I think that would've been smart.

If you're going to focus on times that Wilbon sides with a black athlete or coaches and say it's evidence he is biased in their favor, you have to mention the black athletes and coaches he rips. For instance, wasn't he very down on Albert Haynesworth?

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 2, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV-

Ok you're right. We're F'ed, what the hell was Snyder thinking hiring a 3X SB champ and why did MS hire his son who OC'ed the #1 offense last year.

After 8 games into an 80 game contract let's fire the staff and go after Gruden or Cowher.

I'm not sure what your expectations were (mine 8-8) but judging by your 34-6 prediction of a blowout loss to the Eagles, you should be happy with 4-4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

its totally necessary. Wilbon's completely predictable when it comes to his columns. Any black coach or QB immediately gets his full belligerent support. His columm on McNabb was extremely biased. No shocker there. He glossed over DM's poor performances and exaggerated the effect of Shanahan's decision.

Posted by: cstanton1

I believe he admitted that he has a close friendship with DM in the article. I think Wilbon and the 99% of the media who commented on DM being pulled said basically the same thing. It will affect this team because if he does leave, we gave up a high 2nd round pick for nothing.

And regardless of race, everyone knows that JaMarcus SUCKS....

Posted by: dcwun | November 2, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Terrible management by the Shanahans. Just terrible.

Contradictions and doublespeak everywhere. I have no idea what's going on. I had a feeling Shanahan Jr. had a much bigger role in this than it initially seemed.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | November 2, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

In breaking news, the Redskins are also working out Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf at the park today.

Posted by: authorofpoetry | November 2, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

One word regarding these, and the coach's explanations: bull.

Posted by: monk4hall | November 2, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I guess going out and drinking beer counts to cardio work? How many 12 ounce curls can he do? I thought O'Donnel was a nut...Kyle seems to be close behind her with his logic and reasonings.....And where is The Danny in all of this? In a hidden Bunker???

Posted by: nowhine | November 2, 2010 2:27 PM

5 sentences...all stupid

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 2, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Pick up Moss and release Galloway. See if McNabb can develop a rapport with Moss during the last half of the season. All it will cost is a little of Snyder's $$$. If it doesn't work and Moss becomes a distraction, show him the door. Moss should be on his best behavior for the rest of the season. He wants a big contract and probably realizes now that Minnesota released him that his talent no longer outweighs his attitude. There really is no downside to trying it.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | November 2, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

too bad Campbell didn't get a chance to show us if he could guide this team under Kyle's offense. Would've saved us 2 good draft picks we could've used for offensive linemen. I don't see how this team can fix its line with its limited draft picks. Also need quality depth at linebacker which we don't have.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

In Shanny we trust? Hell no. His record over the last 3.5 seasons; 9-7, 7-9, 8-8,4-4. Use to trust him maybe. Unless T. Davis knee is back ready, He is just another average coach.

Posted by: edavis291 | November 2, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

JaMarcus beeps

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 2, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Kyle does a bunch of dumb shti. You don't think Mike sees that?

Half of the benching was to show Kyle what happens when you pull that bush league shti. It certainly won't win you the game.

Mike taking that stance (best for the team) was him trying to take the public blame. Also - everyone is reporting Mike said it gave his team the best chance to win. I don't think that's what he said, did he? I think he said it was 'best for the team'. Well that just has limitless implications, doesn't it?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 2, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

That druggy Russell should have gone to jail, nothing I hate worse than druggies!

Signed,
Dexter Manley

Posted by: monk811 | November 2, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse


Shanahan is tripping! First off I don't care what he has won in the past because its the here an now that counts an he hasn't won a #@$ thing. Second it takes time for a quarterback to adjust to a new system an philosophy especially on the offensive side of the ball where the Skins have a collegiate offensive line, an no real playmakers except for Cooley an Moss but for some reason boy wonder Kyle Shannahan is not calling Cooleys number enough cause he needs him to help block on this pathetic offensive line. Speaking of offensive line their play on the field is offensive especially Rabach, Brown, an Lichensteiger .... Mcnabb has willed this team to wins on the offensive end what the &%$#@ do these Shanahans want this guy to do?

Posted by: BeatDontStop | November 2, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Campbell probably is the best athlete at the QB position in the NFL.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2010 2:21 PM


Better than McNabb? Laughable.

Oh, and Mike Vick sends his regards...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 2, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Working new nicknames for our soon-to-be newest signee:

Jamarcus Muscle-relaxer

Jamarcus Bust-ell

Hefty-Lefty

Ryan Leaf East

Jabba-marcus Russell

Jamucus Guzzle (Purple Drank)

Ja-gotta-be-kidding-me

Big Sloppy


Thank you.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl

-------------------

Good ones. I love Ja-gotta-be-kidding-me! Please, don't sign this guy. He's a disaster waiting to happen. Lets shore up this O-line...PLEASE!

...and, yes, I'm black. I don't care what color the guy is, if he can protect the QB, sign him! If he can catch a long bomb, sign him! If he can demolish the opponent's QB, sign him!

I just want us to win! I'll take a friggin' polka dot O-linesman if he is FIERCE!

Posted by: LuvMySkinz | November 2, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Campbell probably is the best athlete at the QB position in the NFL.

Posted by: periculum | November 2, 2010 2:21 PM

The guy who can't slide?!

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 2, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

too bad Campbell didn't get a chance to show us if he could guide this team under Kyle's offense. Would've saved us 2 good draft picks we could've used for offensive linemen. I don't see how this team can fix its line with its limited draft picks. Also need quality depth at linebacker which we don't have.

Posted by: cstanton1 |

Ah....

We can agree on some things.

Posted by: dcwun | November 2, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure we can dcwun.

"It will affect this team because if he does leave, we gave up a high 2nd round pick for nothing."

We blew the draft picks. But holding onto a QB for that reason will just make this team sink faster. You gotta admit your mistakes and move on. Shanahan made it a point to say that in the past he's never been a proponent of keeping draft picks around just because he picked em.

except for Lickmysteiger, haha

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Dear people of Redskin Nation, this is what we Eagles fans lived through for 11 years. Donovan is unable to deliver in the clutch .. and his 2-minute slow-motion game was painful (we always blamed the coach for being brain-dead, it now looks like the QB was the slow witted one to blame). Seriously, I laughed when the national media emittd a collective gasp of shock when Philly traded Donovan. I pitied the Redskin fans who thought his addition was all you needed to turn the corner. Donovan is simply one mediocre QB. And the Redskins continue to make poor personnel choices.

Posted by: rsharpe126 | November 2, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Dear people of Redskin Nation, this is what we Eagles fans lived through for 11 years. Donovan is unable to deliver in the clutch .. and his 2-minute slow-motion game was painful (we always blamed the coach for being brain-dead, it now looks like the QB was the slow witted one to blame). Seriously, I laughed when the national media emittd a collective gasp of shock when Philly traded Donovan. I pitied the Redskin fans who thought his addition was all you needed to turn the corner. Donovan is simply one mediocre QB. And the Redskins continue to make poor personnel choices.

Posted by: rsharpe126 | November 2, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Shanny Sr. and Shanny Jr.'s mental conditioning is lacking. Somebody else should coach during the 2-minute drill.

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | November 2, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

many of you lying retarded so-called whites really should stop the b.s. YOU block-headed morons started codified and mantained your white-so-called supremacy concept centuries ago and is alive and well(really not but that is another story) TODAY. racism bigotry and injustice is YOUR legacy pretending that others should not speak about it and some-how its does not exist shows exactly what you really are. you can't hide from yourself and deeds everywhere you go they are there.

Posted by: wathu19 | November 2, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Jamarcus Russell isn't signing here. This is so silly. Do you people really think we sign every player that walks through those doors for a workout? I mean really, get some sense people.

Posted by: Barno1 | November 2, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon should be happy. He's got another black QB to write about if we sign Jamarcus. I wonder if he thought JR got stiffed in Oakland.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 1:48 PM |

Careful cstanton1, there are some in here that aren't sophisticated enough to read your comment without shouting racism.

That said, if someone does, just call em a deuchebag and move on. Lots of bark in here with ostensibly no bite.

Cheers.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl |

~~~~~~~~~~

I love how white fans play the race card and then always accuse Mike Wilbon of doing it.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 2, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

@Cstanton1 & personal fowl
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Show YOUR sophistication and don't instigate needless racial contretemps.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 2, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Kyle Shanahan: We talked to McNabb and he knew resting him was a possibility

Reporter to McNabb: Shanahan said you knew you'd be benched

McNabb: I didn't hear the word "benching" but yes, I talked with the coaches and they let me know they were thinking about resting me.

Reporter: Ooooh, he didn't know he would be benched. Shanahan must be lying.

This entire blog article is total bs and would even make Jason La Canfora blush.

Posted by: Barno1 | November 2, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Jamarcus Russell isn't signing here. This is so silly. Do you people really think we sign every player that walks through those doors for a workout? I mean really, get some sense people.

Posted by: Barno1
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Thanks, yesterday it was Randy Moss. Players are brought in all the time, so that GMs can get a sense of that players conditioning and ability/willingness to come off the street and play if needed.
It's generally called 'kicking the tires'.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 2, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"JaCarcus" is a Great name for him.

Posted by: ballgame21 | November 2, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

wathu is an idiot

Posted by: ToddStinkston | November 2, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Kyle said - "Yeah, thats the ticket".

Posted by: dobrien10520 | November 2, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

its totally necessary. Wilbon's completely predictable when it comes to his columns. Any black coach or QB immediately gets his full belligerent support. His columm on McNabb was extremely biased. No shocker there. He glossed over DM's poor performances and exaggerated the effect of Shanahan's decision.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 2:20 PM |

Toldja.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl |
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The more I read the bull/s/h/i/t/ coming out the mouths of you two, the more I'm ready for war.

First, thing- Wilbon stated during the story that he was a fan of McNabb.
Secondly, when is the last time a white Redskins player made the news in this regard? The team's last two QBs have been black, when we have had white QBs, the conversations were all about them.
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"belligerent"

That's the tone and tenor of the posts that you two racial instigators have jumped on here with, so you two should know all about it.
@ personal fowl particularly

What makes you think that you are going to make a dumb-ass racial statement and not have anyone challenge you?
Then when someone does you go "told ya'" as though you just discovered something new.
You two are the ones making the stupid-ass statements so own it.
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But don't sit here throwing bombs and daring anyone to come back at you and when they do, taking that as some type confirmation that you know what the hell you're talking about.

Cstanton-Didn't I take you & your dumb observations & ideas apart two days ago on a thread?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 2, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

too bad Campbell didn't get a chance to show us if he could guide this team under Kyle's offense. Would've saved us 2 good draft picks we could've used for offensive linemen. I don't see how this team can fix its line with its limited draft picks. Also need quality depth at linebacker which we don't have.

Posted by: cstanton1 |

Ah....

We can agree on some things.

Posted by: dcwun
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Exactly, keep race out of it, because when someone with a BARELY disguised racial axe to grind shows up on here, it's obvious.

So let's just keep it on football, please.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 2, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Who ultimately cares if McNabb "knew" he would be yanked or not? This sounds like middle school, folks. He's paid millions! If he sucks--which he does--then he can and should be pulled at any moment. If he improves, keep playing him. This isn't rocket science, it's football. McNabb wins, we win. McNabb throws an interception with four minutes left in the game on our end of the field, the other team scores and never looks back. UH, this is really, really simple. He should be yanked a lot sooner, however, so the backup QB at least stands a chance. Grossman is the one who should be crying foul. Joseph Mary & God. Really, McNabb was insulted for being benched? Ask the fans who is insulted by such half arsed play. We lost to the Lions! HELLO

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | November 2, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

@wathu19
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Look, I'm not the board police, but damn!

Let's keep it on football, please.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 2, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

It's very clear to me: Donovan needs to be traded to the Cardinals for Derek Anderson. He lives in the Phoenix area, and the Redbirds are in dire need of a QB...any QB. I know this does absolutely nothing for the Skins, but I'm ok with that.

Posted by: ANCLvr | November 2, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Lost in all this is that the offensive play-calling left a LOT to be desired.

Posted by: seaduck2001 | November 2, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

You're not in Denver anymore, Shanny. Learn how to handle the media.

Posted by: Trout1 | November 2, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

This is one of gheose situations when you have to say,"did everyone lose their minds at the same time?"

Posted by: poppysue85 | November 2, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

ArmchairGM

"racial contretemps?" Really? REALLY?

Posted by: poppysue85 | November 2, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey Personal_Fowl; Here's one for you... How about "Dinner Bell Rus-sel?"

Posted by: heygriff | November 2, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

what are the chances that this is just part of dan snyders grand marketing scheme of keeping the redskins in the news cycle 24/7 so he can keep making money.

Posted by: wp_hobo | November 2, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

@Personal_Fowl and Cstanton1

it ain't always what you say as much as how you say it that some people take offense to. you two guys say "another black qb..." derogatorily. as if their playing abilities were inferior or some kind of minority concession. funny how widely phrases related to mental ability are used in connection with black qb's. or now, our black president. there are far too many people whose minds continue to dwell between the 1800's and late 1940's. in denial. things change, baby.

Posted by: dcjazzman | November 2, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

The people on here supporting Shanny pulling McNabb for the last 1:50 of the game no nothing about football, and clearly haven't been watching the redskins this season. You can't show me one positive thing that can be associated with Rex Grossman. Yall can be a heard of lemmings following the shanahans over the cliff. I see this one for what it is. It doesn't pass the smell test.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 2, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Lets face it; McNabb is 34 years old, beaten up and playing with a suspect line in front of him. Andy Reid was nobody's fool when he let Donovan go. The guy was blessed to play for one of the best (and most underrated) coaches of the past few decades. Now that he is out in the everyday world he is showing himself to be an ordinary QB. As offensive as some may find it, Limbaugh was right.

Posted by: pd2710 | November 2, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

God I hope they are communicating better internally than they are publically.

Posted by: themantoyou | November 2, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

ArmchairGM

"racial contretemps?" Really? REALLY?

Posted by: poppysue85
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Yeah, REALLY

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 2, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Some posters like to fire needless racial bombs, starting needless racial contretemps. Let's just keep this on football.
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its totally necessary. Wilbon's completely predictable when it comes to his columns. Any black coach or QB immediately gets his full belligerent support. His columm on McNabb was extremely biased.
by cStanton
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Wilbon should be happy. He's got another black QB to write about if we sign Jamarcus. I wonder if he thought JR got stiffed in Oakland.

Careful cstanton1, there are some in here that aren't sophisticated enough to read your comment without shouting racism.

That said, if someone does, just call em a deuchebag and move on. Lots of bark in here with ostensibly no bite.

Cheers
Personal fowl
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Their posts self-aware. Cstanton & personal fowl KNOW they are going to get the response their race-baiting posts wanted to get. So, in anticipation, they try to make it about political correctness, just like Republican whites do..."oh, woe is us, we can't say NOTHIN'"...."these people are so sensitive...woe, woe,woe,...."why can't we fire racial bombs and not have anyone say anything, woe, woe, woe...."

Please, spare me the Martyr Complex.

I'm pointing out that if you make a dumb racial post, you're going to get called on it, and it has nothing to do with political correctness or sophistication and everything to do with the post itself.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 2, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of people who make incendiary posts, then act as though they're being nailed to the cross when called out.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 2, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Correction of a typo,

Their posts ARE self-aware

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 2, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I understand the reasoning, now, but I still disagree with it, especially after the Lions went up by 13. At that point, your best hope is to send long bombs downfield, which appears to be McNabb's specialty.

But hey, I'm not a Superbowl-winning football coach.

Posted by: j762 | November 2, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

good that donovan is addressing cardio issues by drinking beer

Posted by: nativedc | November 2, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I am not a fan of either the Redskins or McNabb. But if McNabb had some protection, then just maybe, he would not be so banged-up. Taking McNabb out in Sunday's game situation was just plain WRONG! And those Shanahans ought to step-up and admit it.

Posted by: BAWESQ | November 2, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

The reason you get a McNabb is after playing 58:10 of so-so ball he can light it up and win it in the last 1:50. That's what the great ones do and McNabb is in that category.

McNabb's preseason workouts are well known. I doubt he lacked cardio fitness to go the last 1:50. His runs during the game didn't show real hammy problems. With a bye week coming up you don't rest your team leader in the last 1:50. Get real.

Just say he wasn't having a great game and you wanted to try something new. Story over. Though read paragraph 1 first. The double-talk doesn't live up to the 2 Super Bowl reputation.

Replace the guys on the line before you replace the only guy who can win it in the last 1:50. The story shouldn't be McNabb; it's the five guys up front. Since when did Detroit have a monster defensive line? Go back and read the pre-game reviews.

Posted by: registc | November 2, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1 & ArmchairGM,
you two jerk offs need to get a grip. Nobody in their right mind can explain how you turn to Rex Grossman. That excuse sounds like it came from Sarah "I can see Russia from my porch" Palin. Shanahan has a pattern. He is right and everyone else is wrong. To show it's not racial, he ran Jake Plummer out of Denver for not showing up to OTAs. He couldn't win even w/John Elway as his QB. He only won when he got Terrell Davis. Throw him on the trash heap w/Schottenheimer and Spurrier. Mark my words, this will end badly. Hopefully, sooner than later.

Posted by: ktaylor15 | November 2, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

hey everybody,it's me!i've been telling you all that this regime is not the answer!these are some storytelling dudes here boy,they would be better suited for a dr.zuess book!this mike shanny and brucey woosey were fired from previous jobs for a reason.they don't have a clue!shanny inherited elway,and davis got his shot by default and accident.anyway,if zorn was given this type of control,and campbell had a decent line,we would not be having this conversation about the dam shannys and allens anyway.stay tuned!

Posted by: billydee123 | November 2, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

ktaylor15
~~~
What's the point of your post? If you read the entire thread, I'm trying to keep it on football.

You must have simply wanted to use the term jerk-off somewhere other than your bedroom.
Anyway, here a reposting of my post on Sally Jenkins article.

Good article, but it bears mentioning that far too many fans have an unrealistic expectation of how long it takes ANY QB to master a new offense. Somehow, fans believe an offseason and 8 games are about right. Wrong.

It can and usually takes about 2 full offseasons plus playing the games to fully "get it".
Wish we could speed it up, but what can you do, it is what it is.
If Shanahan had thought about it, he could have pointed out that he did bench Elway for a time also. That would have given his decision some more credibility.

However,as the Sally J. wrote his reliance on obfuscating coachspeak caused this tempest in a teapot.
Look, only a blind man couldn't see that McNabb wasn't playing his best, but the goofy, bizarre, head scratching explanation made this a bigger story.

Sometimes NFL coaches take all of this TOO seriously, if McNabb had injuries...THEN SAY IT!!! What's with all the secrecy? What, because defenders are going to target the injured area?!? So what?
If Shanahan had told the truth, even fans who are blindly in love w/McNabb(?!?!) would have understood.

Instead, Shanahan treated everyone as though they were a bunch of idiots.
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See, I keep it on football

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 2, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon should be happy. He's got another black QB to write about if we sign Jamarcus. I wonder if he thought JR got stiffed in Oakland.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 1:48 PM |

Careful cstanton1, there are some in here that aren't sophisticated enough to read your comment without shouting racism.

That said, if someone does, just call em a deuchebag and move on. Lots of bark in here with ostensibly no bite.

Cheers.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 2, 2010 1:55 PM
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Some people are just stupid - if you didn't want to be call a racist why did you bring up RACE??????? urgggggggh

Posted by: djwinfield1 | November 2, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

@ djwinfield1
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Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 2, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

@ djwinfield1
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Exactly, just let it be! I want to talk football on here. When I want to talk about race on a deeper level,I go elsewhere.

Should be burgundy and gold here, not black and white.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 2, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, Kyle, like Daddy, is two-faced.

Posted by: 44fx2901 | November 2, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

McNabb will be the scapegoat for Kyle Shanahan's play calling and schemes. One of the reasons Daddy took this job was to pad his little boy's resume. It will never be little Kyle's fault.

Posted by: anw821 | November 2, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

For us long-suffering Redskin fans who had hoped for sanity to rule this year, this is a bump in the road. Shanahan blew the decision, but it is over and done with. He'll never admit he messed up, nor that he panicked, but most people don't admit their mistakes. McNabb has been and still is a class act, someone who takes the high road time after time. THAT is the definition of a leader in my book. Whether Donovan plays here next year or elsewhere, he will still be a class man, and he gained a new set of fans in D.C. this year after 8 games. Shanahan is not superman, and he does and will make mistakes, so let's all move on. Gibbs would have said he blew it, Shanahan never will so just move ahead to game 9.

Posted by: bfjam | November 2, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

OOPs he did it again, when will the Synder man get it right, Shanahan is a nut job waiting to happen,it already did, he knows football but this guy is unstable and eventually he will lose the team with his petty vindictiveness, he holds grudges and it will undermine everything he is trying to do. He put Rex in a bad situation and the problem is that the O-line can't pass protect eg... Jason Campbell how you like me now. Peyton wouldn't hold up 3 games behind this line. Don have done a great job dealing with this crap. Kyle you no business being what you are. Oh dad is the boss I get it now.

Posted by: slivin500 | November 2, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

This saga needs to end soon! I have never seen so much back-peddling before in my life! It's obvious that Kyle and Donovan just don't get along. Watch the Chicago game and notice their exchange after the pick six. Daddy had to step in and defend the "boy genius". Now they're trying to do damage control because they've sullied (to a certain extent) McNabb's name and look like complete idiots.

Granted that Mac5 hasn't been lighting it up every week, but Kyle has to be at fault as well. Find plays that he can execute and salvage this season. That's the best exit strategy for everyone.

Posted by: Neisha_H | November 2, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I suppose at some point we will find out the real reason McNabb was pulled. To this point, though, we do not know why it happened.

Posted by: garrett66 | November 2, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I suppose at some point we will find out the real reason McNabb was pulled. To this point, though, we do not know why it happened.

Posted by: garrett66 | November 2, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

This mess is more incredible by the minute. The Shanahan's must have known what a lazy, self-absorbed lout McNabb had become under Reid's patronage (and who knows what else...). Reid stopped working hard years ago. He was afraid of getting injured. He was more interested in his TV and business deals than in athletics. Reid nevertheless kept him on. (Would that Reid had shown the same forbearance to his troubled sons.) McNabb is a loser, on and off the field.

Posted by: farhorizons | November 2, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Just keepin' it real...The Skins need a White QB.

Posted by: Smarg | November 2, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Let me say this about that, I respected Mike Shanahan before this and I think he really stuck himself out there for his clown kid, nepotism is a conflict that you should avoid at all cost.
The most notable thing I want to ad is this....Kyle Shanahan is an absolute IDIOT!!!!

Posted by: randybapst1 | November 2, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

McNabb was sucking [...] for almost all of the game and was changing plays at the line because of his lack of grasping entirely the Shanny's system.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 2, 2010 1:59 PM |

REEEally? Your evidence of this is what?

I've got an equally viable scenario for you:

You make up sh!t to prove your point, aka "Lying."

No wonder you love Shanny so much. Both of you are full of elephant spooge.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 3, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs would have said he blew it, Shanahan never will

Posted by: bfjam | November 2, 2010 7:12 PM

Boy, you got that right. By the way, John Elway went to FIVE Super Bowls over his career.

Shanahan took him to TWO of those.

Makes you think, huh? Elway got to THREE on his own with no run game.

Really puts things in perspective.

And once you do something like bench McNabb with 1:50 left in the game, ALL your other questionable moves bubble back up.

Haynesworth,
Devin Thomas,
Galloway,
LickedInsideHer,

A move like THAT is akin to Zorn's Double Swinging Gate fake field goal. It just draws your competency into question... And justifiably so.

He's a big boy. Let him and his boy stew in their own juices with their BS decisions. Lie about it, whatever. Bad Move.

Making up 4 lies in 3 days to explain it? Worse. Just shut it.

We're all on notice: Shanahan acts CRAZY sometimes. He is vindictive and will cut or bench a player whether their play on the field is our best chance to win or not. If he doesn't "like" you or if he THINKS he doesn't like you... You (and the TEAM) will suffer for it.

He's NOT a team player. He's all about HIM. We know that now. OH, and he's a pathological liar who thinks Redskin fans are stupid.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 3, 2010 1:45 AM | Report abuse

pd2710 is Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 3, 2010 1:51 AM | Report abuse

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