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Posted at 12:32 PM ET, 12/18/2010

Looking at Donovan McNabb's contract status

By Jason Reid

So what's the deal with Donovan McNabb's contract status?

On Nov. 15, quarterback Donovan McNabb signed a contract extension that contains a $3.5 million signing bonus, but nothing is guaranteed beyond the 2010 season.

In salary and bonuses this season, McNabb will be paid $14.7 million. The Redskins hold a $10 million contract option for 2011 that they can exercise until the first game of that season, or they could release McNabb and owe him nothing.

If McNabb is on the roster next season - which seems highly doubtful at this point - he would earn about $16.25 million. But considering Friday's developments, McNabb may consider asking the Redskins to release him from his contract.

He would probably have to give back a portion or all of the $3.5 million bonus for the Redskins to consider releasing him. But it may be worth it to McNabb, especially since Coach Mike Shanahan informed him the team would explore options in the draft at the position.

If McNabb is on Washington's roster in 2012 - which seems like a long shot at this point - his base salary of $11.5 million would become guaranteed on the first day of the NFL's cap year, which begins in March. McNabb will turn 36 during that season.

Fletcher N. Smith, McNabb's agent, said he does not know what McNabb will decide to do next. But they have a lot to consider after the season ends.

"It's disgraceful," Smith said of the team's handling of McNabb throughout the season. "I mean, you don't take a quarteback of Donovan's caliber, given what he's done in this league, and treat him the way Mike has treated him this season."

By Jason Reid  | December 18, 2010; 12:32 PM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb  
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Comments

The 2011 conditional fourth-round pick that Washington traded to Philadelphia will go to a third-round pick if...McNabb plays in 70 percent of the Redskins' offensive plays and Washington wins nine games.

Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | December 17, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Now I see why he's been benched; I still don't agree with it. Yes his play has been mediocre at best, and yes this should allow us to preserve our 3rd rd pick this year's draft. And maybe his trade value as a consideration as well. But it's a BS move to do this Dallas Week. I will not pretend to speak as the singular voice of Redskins Nation, but I know that Skins fans value beating the Cowboys more than anything but winning championships. This stinks to high heaven.

BEAT DALLAS

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The 2011 conditional fourth-round pick that Washington traded to Philadelphia will go to a third-round pick if...McNabb plays in 70 percent of the Redskins' offensive plays and Washington wins nine games.

Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | December 17, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Now I see why he's been benched; I still don't agree with it. Yes his play has been mediocre at best, and yes this should allow us to preserve our 3rd rd pick this year's draft. And maybe his trade value as a consideration as well. But it's a BS move to do this Dallas Week. I will not pretend to speak as the singular voice of Redskins Nation, but I know that Skins fans value beating the Cowboys more than anything but winning championships. This stinks to high heaven.

BEAT DALLAS

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

hey, i may be wrong, but we won't know this until 1 year from now when we see how shannahan deals with the offseason. he's made mistakes, but i'll excuse him of those mistakes if he truly is making the decision to rebuild.

I believe. LETS GO SKINS!!!

Posted by: hb_321 | December 17, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

well said. I am not willing to give Shanahan higher than a C for his first year. Some of his tactical and strategic moves alike have been at best questionable. But I'm not firing a coach with multiple rings after one year. That would be like city council cancelling a much needed bridge construction project after 3 months because they are 2 days behind schedule.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

How does his past play justify the present? He is older, just as inconsistent as ever, and lackadaisical like Campbell appeared. Besides, since 2005 the skins have usually beaten McNabb's teams. That should be evidence enough that he is nothing special. We screwed up once again and got F*cked by Andy Reid out of a 2nd rounder which they turned into their starting safety....FOL ( F*ck our life)

Posted by: BurgwithaU | December 18, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse


@beep-beep

hope you're having a good day beep

@diesel

is ralph taking the buyout dude ?

Posted by: hessone | December 18, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem with McNabb being benched:

With the new CBA there will probably only be 2 preseason games so why not see what we have at QB. Grossman and Beck are being ecaluated as BACK-UPS! not starters. And in the preseason you only see what they can do against 2nd and 3rd stringers.

If we win out we come in 3rd in the division. 3rd in the division wins.........NOTHING! SO WHAT IF WE COME IN LAST! Lets see what ALL the back-ups can do!

McNAbb doesn't have "it". Why else would Philly let him go. Shoulda held onto CAmpbell and drafted ANOTHER OL.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 18, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

The 2011 conditional fourth-round pick that Washington traded to Philadelphia will go to a third-round pick if...McNabb plays in 70 percent of the Redskins' offensive plays and Washington wins nine games.

Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | December 17, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Now I see why he's been benched; I still don't agree with it. Yes his play has been mediocre at best, and yes this should allow us to preserve our 3rd rd pick this year's draft. And maybe his trade value as a consideration as well. But it's a BS move to do this Dallas Week. I will not pretend to speak as the singular voice of Redskins Nation, but I know that Skins fans value beating the Cowboys more than anything but winning championships. This stinks to high heaven.

BEAT DALLAS

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse


The Eagles are already getting the 4th round pick b/c we won't win nine games. The 70% part is irrelevant at this point if the language of the deal says that he must participate in 70% AND win 9 games.

We are already losing the 3rd round pick to New Orleans b/c of Jammal brown trade.

No matter what happened this year we were going to lose both the 3rd and 4th round pick. The only question was who (between Philly and N.O.) would get which one.

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

pfunk, that's fine. But the crux of my post was that you don't bench the guy during Dallas week, even if the stipulations are in play (which they may not be; not sure if it was "AND" or "OR"). He clearly doesn't understand this team or its fan base/tradition yet. I'm hopeful that he will.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Would anyone in the Skins front office seriously consider trading a $3.5M bonus in return for the picks we could get for McNabb from AZ or MN? If the Skins allow McNabb to return his bonus in exchange for being released from his contract, Shanahan and Allen are a lot dumber than I thought.

Posted by: sgmd | December 18, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Let me say how sorry I am to all of the Kool Aid drinkers who thought this year would be any different. New coach, and actual GM, future hall of fame QB, Danny get's a new PR job, there was a lot of reason to hope.

In the future (like next off season), try and remember how you feel right now. Because they will do it to you again. The only way to stop the Evil in Ashburn is to stop giving them money. Stop going to games (that worked last year), stop buying products, everything. Money is the only language they understand.

Posted by: Leeguru | December 18, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

So can he be traded or what?

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 18, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

This is the REAL issue that should concern the Redskins in 2011 and beyond.

If you are a free agent, and have witnessed how Shanahan has publicly humiliated two of his stars--Haynesworth and McNabb--why would you want to be part of that circus?

And don't tell me "for the money." The Snyder era Redskins have always been a sanctuary for mercenaries.

Someone with a better ability for figures than me should add up all the wasted dollars the 'skins have spent under Snyder.

Start with Haynesworth's 43 Million. Throw in McNabb, Brunell, Sanders, Archuleta etcetera etcetera etcetera.

And yet Snyder makes money hand over fist. Go figure.

Posted by: TheCork | December 18, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

McNabb gave the Skins two things by signing.

1.) An extra franchise tag
2.) The ability to trade McNabb.

Why McNabb chose to give away all his leverage for a few million, I don't know.

Posted by: WorstSeat | December 18, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I think Shanny's problem was that he over estimated the talent on this team. The Skins don't meausre up to the Cpowboys, Giants and Eagles in talent. He needs to rebuild this team.

Posted by: djorl | December 18, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"I mean, you don't take a quarteback of Donovan's caliber, given what he's done in this league, and treat him the way Mike has treated him this season."


Last Commentary On McNabb

Fletcher Smith, Donovan McNabb's agent, would do well to remind his client that the NFL is a business.

His issues in D.C. where there's no strong offensive line or array of capable weapons to help elevate his game won't exist in, say, Arizona or Minn.

Next year's big story might be about the rejuvenation of his career in the less competitve NFC West.

"Move on, Donnie," Smith should say. "This is the perfect time for you to show folks you still got game."

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

No matter what happened this year we were going to lose both the 3rd and 4th round pick. The only question was who (between Philly and N.O.) would get which one.

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2010 1:07 PM

But with N.O. getting the 3rd, we get their 5th.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

So, how do you like blowing it up so far?
Dec 18th, 2010 by Rich Tandler.

Tune in to the Redskins-Cowboys game on Sunday and watch Rex Grossman, the current favorite to be the Redskins’ opening day starting quarterback in 2011.

So, how do you like rebuilding so far?

The popular mantra of Redskins fans is that the team needs to tear down the ugly, dilapidated house that has been build over the past 17 years and start over again using primarily the draft and maybe with a few young, relatively inexpensive free agents sprinkled in along the way.

On Friday, Mike Shanahan took the first step towards doing just that. If the reaction of Redskins Nation since he announced that Donovan McNabb would be benched in favor of Grossman is any indication, it’s going to be a very bumpy ride.

After 13 games, Shanahan has decided that turning the Redskins into a perennial contender is going to take longer than he first thought or, perhaps more accurately, longer than he first hoped. You don’t start into a long-term rebuilding plan if you have a 34-year-old quarterback.

Figuring that the Redskins will have a top-10 draft pick, Shanahan is going to identify and draft his quarterback of the future. He hinted at doing that on Friday when the talked about drafting the next Donovan McNabb or Sam Bradford.

It is unlikely that the new quarterback will have a sufficient grasp of the offense to be able to start Week 1. That means that an inexpensive, short-term veteran quarterback will have to take the snaps until Ryan Mallett, Cam Newton, Jake Locker, or whoever is drafted is ready to go.

Inexpensive and short-term are adjectives that fit Rex Grossman to a T. So, meet your 2011 starter for at least half of the season until the rookie is ready.

If it’s not Grossman, it will be someone like him. It could be Alex Smith, Bruce Gradkowski, Trent Edwards, or any of a number of other quarterbacks who have been rejected by their employers. It’s just the way things are. Good quarterbacks are not cheap and available. It will be someone who will work for a low wage, knowing that it is a short-term situation.

The goal of the team will be to fill the void. The goal of the player will be to audition for his next job.

Actually, Redskins fans should hope that it’s Grossman. He now has two years in the offense. It would not be necessary to pour a lot of resources into getting the Grossman-like quarterback familiar with a new scheme for about half a season.

There has been noise about the Redskins saying goodbye to long snapper Ethan Albright in favor of the much-younger Nick Sundberg. The insertion of the 25-year-old Kory Lichtensteiger for the 30-year-old Derrick Dockery created further rumblings and grumblings in the fan base. Shanahan wants to give 23-year-old kicker Graham Gano a chance to grow into the job but fans want to get rid of him yesterday.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

(conclusion)

Then there was the meltdown on Friday. And people wonder why Dan Snyder has been hesitant to preside over a complete rebuilding project.

Many have wondered if the Redskins fan base had the stomach for a rebuilding project. It’s becoming apparent that the answer is no.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

(which they may not be; not sure if it was "AND" or "OR")

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Let me help make you sure: It's "And"

The Philly trade terms are set. Philly gets a 4th and NO gets our 3rd. There is nothing Mcnabb could do or not do to affect that at this point.

At least we get NO's 5th now instead of a 6/7 which is what we would have received had NO got the 4th instead of Philly.

As for Shanahan understanding the team/fans, huh?

This guy understands just fine sir, he's been a coach in the league for a long time. There was not more hated rivalry than DEN=OAK during the height of his tenure in DEN. Especially since he sued Al Davis for getting screwed out of his contract.

Need I remind you that we have lost 5 of 6 with McNabb? He continually throws 90 mph rocket shots at RBS ankles and misses wide open receivers everywhere. McNabb is done, he should only be a back up option at this point.

Count me in the minority that thinks Torain and Grossman represent our best shot at winning this game at this juncture.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 18, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Many have wondered if the Redskins fan base had the stomach for a rebuilding project. It’s becoming apparent that the answer is no.

Posted by: Diesel44


Another great post by Diesel!

Some 'fans' really do resemble their moniker.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 18, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

To some of the points made.

By dumping Vinny Cerratto, part of the "rebuilding" effort was supposed to be reputational, not just talent/roster. The Skins were bringing in savvy veteran respectable high-caliber football people with credibility to run the show.

Not only have some of the "bigger" decisions been disastrous, but the Skins are as much a laughingstock this season as they've ever been.

Seriously, if someone had been traveling in Myanmar for a year, and didn't know that Cerratto/Zorn had been dumped and Shanny/Allen hired; but they saw a rundown of FO/coaching decisions that had been made - they'd just probably assume that Cerratto was still directing affairs from his Monday morning show and Zorn was still "staying medium" on the sidelines.

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"Trust"..Yeah, like Frida and Diego did their job for the Rockefellas by gettin' Trotsky shotsky-ed, so the Rockafella's boy Stalin could put in the Warbank's total authority model..The Warbanks love the total authority model, they love communism, because they can hijack it later (like the Chinese Commies and Wal-Mart), GET DOWN ON YOUR NEESHa!!!

Posted by: frak | December 18, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Shanny's mistakes:

1. giving up TWO draft picks for mcnaab. iggles woulda taken one or two late rounders. really surprised by that since this is the same guy that got vinny and gibbs to pay extra for in the portis/bailey trade.

2. benching mcnaab.
3. even worse was the explanation that cost the franchise embarrasment and close to $4 mil.
4. conversion to 3-4 with 4-3 personnel.
5. not trading AH sooner.

that's just in the past 9 months. hopefully it will get better.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 18, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is playing games, he is actually doing all these in an attempt to get QB Andrew Luck and honestly I think that's a good move; simply put, the more the loss the better the chance of getting Andrew. Another scenario to consider is McNabb's trade terms which included 2011 third or fourth round pick depending on certain escalators. Shanahan may be trying not to loose the 3rd, however the 4th is gone no matter what. Any other reasons is understandable but not genuine.

Posted by: abxinc | December 18, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I love this move and I love hearing this whiner agent defend his loser client. this jackass agent of McNabb's might consider the only thing disgraceful around here has been his client's play and failure to learn the offense in a new team after 8 months.

frankly this whole thing makes Andy Reid look like the best special-Ed teacher this side of the mississippi if he can get this dumb QB to play well in a system with words and reading involved. and he did it for 11 yrs before finally giving up. Shanny got roasted on this deal, he bought an Elway and got Forrest Gump.

remember that McNabb is really dumb - he tested the depths of how low you get get on the Wonderlic test and still be breathing.

anyway, I'm sick of losing, and pro QB's are paid to win. McDumb collected a heck of lot of cashe for stumbling us to 5-8.

Posted by: greatteamdan | December 18, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

No matter what happened this year we were going to lose both the 3rd and 4th round pick. The only question was who (between Philly and N.O.) would get which one.

In your honest opinion, what could we reclaim in picks by moving DM5 and AH?

Mine is:

DM5= 3rd?

AH= 5th?

That's a draft of picks in 1, 2, 3, 5, 5, 6, 7 (6 picks?).

(And do we get the raider's 4th for JC: if so, maybe we can move two vets and go into the draft with a good deal of picks)

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Many have wondered if the Redskins fan base had the stomach for a rebuilding project. It’s becoming apparent that the answer is no.

Posted by: Diesel44


You're wrong on this Diez.

Many fans, myself included, were perfectly ready for a rebuilding project this season. We did not get a rebuilding project. We got a very predictable and expensive fiasco.

Now Shanny and his apologists want to preach patience and understanding and rebuilding.

Fine. Rebuild it.

The problem is that Big Genius is a year late and a few draft picks short with that message, and he fully deserves to get an earful from the fanbase about it.

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Diesel & Tandler had it right. We want the team rebuilt, we just don't want to rebuild.

It will get worse before it gets better but it will get better.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 18, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Many have wondered if the Redskins fan base had the stomach for a rebuilding project. It’s becoming apparent that the answer is no.

Posted by: Diesel44


You're wrong on this Diez.

Many fans, myself included, were perfectly ready for a rebuilding project this season. We did not get a rebuilding project. We got a very predictable and expensive fiasco.

Now Shanny and his apologists want to preach patience and understanding and rebuilding.

Fine. Rebuild it.

The problem is that Big Genius is a year late and a few draft picks short with that message, and he fully deserves to get an earful from the fanbase about it.

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

and he fully deserves to get an earful from the fanbase about it.

Posted by: p1funk


So many fans demand win now or else. Well look what that has brought you the last decade. The definition of insanity my friends.....

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 18, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

No matter what happened this year we were going to lose both the 3rd and 4th round pick. The only question was who (between Philly and N.O.) would get which one.

In your honest opinion, what could we reclaim in picks by moving DM5 and AH?

Mine is:

DM5= 3rd?

AH= 5th?

That's a draft of picks in 1, 2, 3, 5, 5, 6, 7 (6 picks?).

(And do we get the raider's 4th for JC: if so, maybe we can move two vets and go into the draft with a good deal of picks)

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse


I hope we can get a 3rd for Mcnabb.

That would be the "high-end" scenario. If we can generate a market for his services - say we get 2 desperate teams like Minny and AZ in a bidding war - then we could drive it up to a 3rd.

The problem is teams know we want to/need to get rid of him.

Which is the bigger problem with AH.

5th rounder for AH? Not likely.

We are going to get a big fat nothing for AH. Teams are going to wait for us to cut him.

But we do get the 4th from the Raiders. And we should be getting another pick from Colts (conditional/undisclosed) for Justin Tryon.

I don't know what vets we have to trade at this point with any value. Chris Cooley comes to mind (What did Cleveland get from TB when they traded Kellen Winslow?). Maybe we can get a low-round pick for Derrick Dockery. We don't want to trade LL30 at this point.

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

So, how do you like blowing it up so far?

Nuthin' but applause for a rebuild in these parts.

What I don't have stomach for is 5-11, following back to back 4-12 finishes.

A month ago, I was locked in a multiple day post battle with a blogga who howled at the notion that the redskins needed a total re-shaping.

Thing is, we've lost 5 games to teams over the past two years who are engaged in a massive re-build: the rams, lions, and buccaneers.

For all the talk of the botched extra point last Sunday, not a single redskin commentator noticed the bucs' roster was loaded with rookies and well coached by a 35 year old.

Fans of the Over the Hill Gang must remember that with football, most of the time, younger is better.

Too, Shanahan's 2010 flawed offseason making notwithstanding, he deserves the right to revise a roster where multiple years of draft neglect have created a team lacking depth, speed, and dymanic players on offense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44


Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse


OK Diez, I see you were cutting/pasting a Rich Tandler article...so my comments are not directly back at you.

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

We actually already have 2 5's because we get NO's 5 in the Brown deal.

So under your scenario we'd have 3 5's.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have officially jumped the shark.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | December 18, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Is the draft analysis correct?

But we do get the 4th from the Raiders. And we should be getting another pick from Colts (conditional/undisclosed) for Justin Tryon.


(This contemplates a trade of DM5 (3rd), compensation for Tyron (7th), and AH (5TH)

That's a draft of picks in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7 ( 9 picks?).

Not bad and a worthy goal.

For a team aping to rebuild, this would be the best case scenario.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Fine. Rebuild it.

The problem is that Big Genius is a year late and a few draft picks short with that message, and he fully deserves to get an earful from the fanbase about it.

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2010 2:18 PM

I agree. Everything about last year's offseason screamed RE-BUILD until Easter. Shanahan {or was it Snyder} gave up way to much (Oak offered a 4th to Philly) when we were much more more than a 34 YR old QB away from being competitive. They rolled the dice and hoped that McNabb would raise the play of this talentless and aged roster...He didn't and now we move on without him but to Shanahan's credit we do so with 40+ million in cap space.

The rebuild is a year late but better a year late than never.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

In the 31 years of my life I never thought I would not be a die hard skins fan. I will not root for or watch another game till Snyder is gone. Looks like it's rhe ravens from here on out. This is effen ridiculous. F Snyder and his sheeney curse!

Posted by: murphyz | December 18, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

(This contemplates a trade of DM5 (3rd), compensation for Tyron (7th), and AH (5TH)

That's a draft of picks in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7 ( 9 picks?).

Not bad and a worthy goal.

For a team aping to rebuild, this would be the best case scenario.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse


We get New Orleans 5th pick so we'll have 2 5's anyways.

I don't think we can realistically count on a pick from AH.

The 3rd rounder is hopeful for McNabb - more likely a 4th rounder.

So I see
1,2,4,4,5,5,6,7 (+1 pick from Tryon, probably in round 6 or 7)

Also, if Rogers and Rocky Mac walk, do we get compensatory picks?

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: murphyz | December 18, 2010 2:53 PM

You won't be missed, greenhorn.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 18, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

So I see: 1,2,4,4,5,5,6,7 (+1 pick from Tryon, probably in round 6 or 7)


Using your numbers, here's my draft by position:

1 q-back

2 nose tackle

4 center/guard

4 defensive end

5 guard/tackle

5 linebacker

6 wide receiver

7 guard

7 free safety

(My FAs: WR, Corner,Defensive tackle, Center/Guard, FS)

Re-Sign/re-up: S Moss

Release: A Carter, Rabach, Dockery, Sellars, Horton, Moore, Kemoteau, Williams

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Trent, Brian, LaRon, DeAngelo, Ryan, Jammal, Brandon, Santana, Cooley/Davis are the only guys I think we HAVE to keep next year. Oh and Anthony,

Other than that I think it's a yardsale this offseason.

Let us hope 2011 is a much better year, and I think it's guaranteed that a rookie will be the starting QB.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 18, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Why not play beck? Grossman is beyond garbage.

Posted by: murphyz | December 18, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Why are everyone talking about McNabb
Let talk about Shanny hiring Jim to run the defense (rank32) fire his ass get off of McNabb case the offense would have to score aleast 45 points a game in order to support the defense. (ranked 32) time has past shanny why do u think Denver goy rid of his ass

Posted by: gregoryw1965 | December 18, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Why not play beck?


Good point.

There's a lot we don't know about Beck.

Beck the quarterback is an unknown

Beck the beer is pretty good.

Beck the musician blows ("Guero" is tight, though).

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Why not play beck?


Good point.

There's a lot we don't know about Beck.

Beck the quarterback is an unknown

Beck the beer is pretty good.

Beck the musician blows ("Guero" is tight, though).

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we get the 4th rounder for JC until 2012.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 18, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Beck the musician blows ("Guero" is tight, though).

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 3:29 PM |

Jeff Beck, the guitar player, kicks booty.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 18, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

So I see: 1,2,4,4,5,5,6,7 (+1 pick from Tryon, probably in round 6 or 7)


Using your numbers, here's my draft by position:

1 q-back

2 nose tackle

4 center/guard

4 defensive end

5 guard/tackle

5 linebacker

6 wide receiver

7 guard

7 free safety

(My FAs: WR, Corner,Defensive tackle, Center/Guard, FS)

Re-Sign/re-up: S Moss

Release: A Carter, Rabach, Dockery, Sellars, Horton, Moore, Kemoteau, Williams

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse


Using my numbers, here's my layout:

Draft
1) QB - best available
2) G/C - Stefan Wiesnewski
4) NT - to groom in 3-4
4) OL -
5) CB/DB
5) 3-4 LB
6) 3-4 LB
7) OL
7) DL

Free agents:
1) Haloti Ngata
2) Ryan Harris
3) Middle-tier WR - Jacoby Jones, Mike Sims-Walker type
4) Look at FA 3-4 OLBs/ bring in Shawne Merriman?
5) Re-up Philip Buchanon or other veteran for a year to plug hole
6) Re-up Jammal brown with modest extension
7) Extend Moss as modest price

Get rid of:
1) Rogers and Rocky Mac walk
2) Keomeatu (keep Anthony Bryant for depth)
3) Andre Carter
4) Dockery
5) Vonnie Holiday and/or Philip Daniels


Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand all the support and sympathy for Donovan McNabb. He was supposedly considered a QB that could make something of a lesser cast of talent around him. I've seen every game this year and game in and game out he makes terrible decisions. The Detroit game he throws into triple coverage and gets intercepted to lose the game. The one week he can run for a first down hesitates then decides to run gets hit and fumbles the ball.

I did some research and at this point last year (13 games played) Jason Campbell had 3 less ints, 3 more tds, 431 less yds passing, 11.2 points higher qb rating, and 6% higer completions percentage on a team that was worse last year. The o-line was beat up badly and injured, Cooley was out most of the year, and there was only Moss last year (at least Anthony Armstrong is semi productive).

Please explain to me why McNabb is held to a golden standard when he has yet to win the big game?

Posted by: Joker99z | December 18, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"Get rid of:
1) Rogers and Rocky Mac walk
2) Keomeatu (keep Anthony Bryant for depth)
3) Andre Carter
4) Dockery
5) Vonnie Holiday and/or Philip Daniels


Posted by: p1funk "

Nah, man, Rogers and Mac don't walk, HASLETT DOES!! But their's some trade value in that list, especially 4-3 Carter (this sucks, going through the firesale, year after MF'n year..)

Posted by: frak | December 18, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

The popular mantra of Redskins fans is that the team needs to tear down the ugly, dilapidated house that has been build over the past 17 years and start over again using primarily the draft and maybe with a few young, relatively inexpensive free agents sprinkled in along the way.

On Friday, Mike Shanahan took the first step towards doing just that. If the reaction of Redskins Nation since he announced that Donovan McNabb would be benched in favor of Grossman is any indication, it’s going to be a very bumpy ride.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 1:59 PM


Tandler has to be awfully out of touch with the fanbase if he put pen to paper with this crap.

First of all, Redskins fans ARE clamoring for a rebuild. All we ask is that you commit to it fully and SEE IT THRU. Trading multiple picks for McNabb and Brown isn't rebuilding...that's reloading. Rebuilding means letting someone else roll the dice on #5 and taking that 2nd and 4th rounder to build the O-line around the prize rookie QB you pluck from the 2011 draft. Plus, if they exhibit the kind of patience for rookies and young players like they have for McNabb, then this project is gonna be over long before it starts.

Second of all, he cites the McNabb benching, going with Sundberg over The Red Snapper...all piss poor examples. Specialists don't do so much that they can't play a long time...kickers, punters, and snappers routinely play well into their 30s, even their 40s. When you undergo a youth movement, it's most important to get that youth on both sides of the line and at some of your skill positions (CB, RB, WR, etc.). I'm pretty sure the Colts and Pats aren't in any rush to dump Manning and Brady simply because they're on the wrong side of 30...nor are the Steelers in a rush to send Hines Ward packing.

So that's why fans are anxious to get rid of guys like Galloway, LJ, and the Formerly Fast Willie Parker. Those guys have reached the age where they're clearly done...Albright and McNabb were coming off Pro-Bowl seasons and showed no signs of slowing down. No reason to think those guys couldn't contribute another 3 years or more.

Plus, as I mentioned, just because you're committing to a youth movement doesn't mean you can't have ANY veteran players. Everyone cites the Bucs as an example...last time I checked, they still rely pretty heavily on guys like Ronde Barber and Styles White.

So we're all in for a rebuild...all we ask is that the organization goes all in with us.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 18, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse


The rebuild is a year late but better a year late than never.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 2:37 PM |
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sorry 44, I don't see this team rebuild. I see a fan base that forgives this owner every year and then he delivers the same product, not to mention making a huge profit all the while.

alot of dreams on this board, but you can only go by past history. this new FO and HC so far has made too many errors for me to believe this is indeed a rebuild.

Posted by: hessone | December 18, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Rebuild doesn't equal money. I wish Mark Chapman was a skins fan.

Posted by: murphyz | December 18, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Many have wondered if the Redskins fan base had the stomach for a rebuilding project. It’s becoming apparent that the answer is no.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

If you want the fans to understand rebuilding, do it from the start of the season. You don't trade for McNabb and then deactivate him.

What the fans don't want is to be last in the division again. If Rex gives you a better chance to win, stop complaining about being out of the playoffs. Put him in in week 8.

Posted by: WorstSeat | December 18, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

McNabb's benching has the following impact...

- Preserves the lowest possible ocmpensation to the Eagles under the agreement.

- Almost ensures we'll finish 5-11 and make us where we can draft higher in the draft.

- Will allow us to see who gives up this year and to remove them from 2011 lineup ASAP.

- Potentially free up cap space for new players above what we would have had with them.

- Allow Shanny to add "his" players to the team and to remove cancers that sank his season.

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We all knew this season was going to be 8-8 at best and a mess at worst. This team has neglected so many areas for so long that we had more holes to fill than a leaking dike.

The Dallas Cowboy game will be the first pre-season game of 2011 - I predict the Cowboys win big 45-0. I can't envision Rex Grossman being any better than McNabb and the Cowboys will know this and Grossman will be on his back all day.

I don't like what has become of this season and I made it a point to ensure I worked the next three Sundays.

Posted by: laserwizard | December 18, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

McNabb's benching has the following impact...

- Preserves the lowest possible ocmpensation to the Eagles under the agreement.

- Almost ensures we'll finish 5-11 and make us where we can draft higher in the draft.

- Will allow us to see who gives up this year and to remove them from 2011 lineup ASAP.

- Potentially free up cap space for new players above what we would have had with them.

- Allow Shanny to add "his" players to the team and to remove cancers that sank his season.

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We all knew this season was going to be 8-8 at best and a mess at worst. This team has neglected so many areas for so long that we had more holes to fill than a leaking dike.

The Dallas Cowboy game will be the first pre-season game of 2011 - I predict the Cowboys win big 45-0. I can't envision Rex Grossman being any better than McNabb and the Cowboys will know this and Grossman will be on his back all day.

I don't like what has become of this season and I made it a point to ensure I worked the next three Sundays.

Posted by: laserwizard | December 18, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Ok McNabb, if you accept the bonus next year that means you agree to play nose-tackle or wedge-buster or whatever else Shanny dictates.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 18, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Ok McNabb, if you accept the bonus next year that means you agree to play nose-tackle or wedge-buster or whatever else Shanny dictates. And don't even think about missing OTA's or those brown-nosers Fletcher and Daniels will be all over your a$$.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 18, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Arenas traded for R. Lewis (ORL)

Adios Hibachi.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 18, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

You all assume Shanie and Son will return next year. Don't be so sure that Shanie didnt bench Donovan to get Danny Boy all upset.

And where has Brucie been? Anyone seen or heard from the boy in last 30 days?

2011 should be a great year for the Skins new QB, new HC and Danny calling the shots for the draft. It can only get worse ladies!

Posted by: lotusxidriver | December 18, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

You all assume Shanie and Son will return next year. Don't be so sure that Shanie didnt bench Donovan to get Danny Boy all upset.

And where has Brucie been? Anyone seen or heard from the boy in last 30 days?

2011 should be a great year for the Skins new QB, new HC and Danny calling the shots for the draft. It can only get worse ladies!

Posted by: lotusxidriver | December 18, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

And where has Brucie been? Anyone seen or heard from the boy in last 30 days?

Posted by: lotusxidriver | December 18, 2010 5:05 PM


It's looking more and more like he's just a figurehead to pacify the fans...seems to me, Shanny has all the juice in the FO.

Which is bad, bad news for Redskins Nation.

Good news that "Agent Zero" is outta town...now if we can get AH on the same flight, D.C. will again be a turd-free zone...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 18, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

McNabb been throwing dirt balls past 5 yrs, nothing new .. Its just OUR team decided to give up picks, then give him a new contract n the middle of a horrible season where the o-line got worse everyweek .. Mix n the Haynesworth deal n u got a coach looking for a scapegoat .. I'd rather see the 4-3 if the 3-4 looks like that .. Who wants to wait 3 yrs while he get HIS guys n .. Nobody gonna wanna come here ..

Posted by: NiqueThaG8 | December 18, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

McNabb been throwing dirt balls past 5 yrs, nothing new .. Its just OUR team decided to give up picks, then give him a new contract n the middle of a horrible season where the o-line got worse everyweek .. Mix n the Haynesworth deal n u got a coach looking for a scapegoat .. I'd rather see the 4-3 if the 3-4 looks like that .. Who wants to wait 3 yrs while he get HIS guys n .. Nobody gonna wanna come here ..

Posted by: NiqueThaG8 | December 18, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Shannahan is looking for a young quarterback that he can "raise".

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | December 18, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking today about one side consequence of the handling of McNabb.

Three weeks ago, McNabb gets an extension that basically ties him to the team and their option for an in-season $3.5 MM. When he is asked about it (especially not having next year guaranteed) he appears to believe wholeheartedly when he says he has assurances and he is 100% positive he will be back in 2011.

Here's what McNabb is going to tell everyone in the locker room (and perhaps why he has the locker room behind him): at a time when Shanahan promised to my face that I was the QB for at least next year, I agreed to sign the deal that they wanted. But it turns out that they had already been talking about the benching for weeks.

Message to locker room: Shahanan is a red-faced liar. Not really that helpful of a theme if you are trying to keep the locker room.

If Gibbs (with all his faults) told someone he would be back, he would never reneg, particularly if he already had doubts. I don't like the lying to fans and players and it bodes ill for the future and future goodwill of fans and players.

Posted by: zornskins2 | December 18, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Count me in the minority that thinks Torain and Grossman represent our best shot at winning this game at this juncture.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 18, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

u CANNOT be serious!!!

-Johnny Mac

I hope you're right bro. But I have serious doubts in Grossman's ability to win this game. I'll grant you that MS/KS know more than me. If you really think Grossman gives us a better chance to win then...OK

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I hope you're right bro. But I have serious doubts in Grossman's ability to win this game. I'll grant you that MS/KS know more than me. If you really think Grossman gives us a better chance to win then...OK

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Me too. Grossman makes up for his lack of mobility by being able to hit the short and intermediate routes with accuracy. I like the way he was getting rid of the ball quickly and decisively during his second drive against the Lions. However, McNabb and Rex are already even in terms of fumbles. Think on that. That's 390 minutes of football to Rex's 2 minutes and 1 fumble apiece. Yikes. That's the main reason he's not a winner this Sunday.

And if the Wizards can trade Arenas, we can get something for McNabb and Stompy.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 18, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

You all assume Shanie and Son will return next year. Don't be so sure that Shanie didnt bench Donovan to get Danny Boy all upset.

Posted by: lotusxidriver | December 18, 2010 5:06 PM


I'm not trying to be mean, but every word you type, you sink into a deeper pool of dumb.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

And if the Wizards can trade Arenas, we can get something for McNabb and Stompy.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 18, 2010 6:21 PM


That logic is faulty at best...there are trades all the time in the NBA, and inevitably if you wanna get rid of a guy, at least one team will take him off your hands at a decent price. In the NFL, trades are rare and when they happen it's usually for picks, not a straight up deal for another player.

The Wiz traded a starter and got back a solid starter in return. I'm not so sure the Skins will be so lucky to see the same.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 18, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Question: If we finish with the same record as Detroit, do we pick before them in the draft based on losing to them head-to-head?

If so, we might be able to move up as high as the 5th spot in the draft.

Exciting stuff, eh?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 18, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

If so, we might be able to move up as high as the 5th spot in the draft.

Exciting stuff, eh?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 18, 2010 6:50 PM

Close enough to mortgage the future to Carolina for the right to draft Andrew Luck (if he comes out).

Posted by: TWISI | December 18, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Boy fans!! think about it!! McNabb cost us $14.5M this year. He will cost $11.M next. He cost a second and now a 4th since the skins will not let him play 70% of the season. Great move Dennis. McNabb still misses the easy pass. Why is he worth over $10M a year. Hopefully Dennis now realizes the team must be rebuilt at numerous positions. YES HE BOUGHT THE PARTY LINE SHORE UP A FEW POSITIONS AND WE CAN MAKE A TITLE RUN. Now he know we can not, lets hope he will keep making decision like bench McNabb and save a 3rd pick. I just do not buy the line we picked on McNabb. He made $14.5M for a 70 passer rating. Sound like McNbb got a great deal, was treated great. The fans that is another story. Keep on shaking up the troops maybe someone will fall out soon as star.

Posted by: geoski | December 18, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

We must rebuild (and not via the 10 plus years of 1 big-name guy is gonna change it all attitude). This will require of the fans the ability to distance their feelings/ties for their favorite player. He may be gone if he doesn't fit the rebuild scheme, be it defense's 3-4 or offense's play type.

What I think needs done is:

1-finish this season evaluating everyone on the current roster-yeah, that means Grossman at QB and whoever else we need to see so we know what we've got, this is regardless of whether we can win any more games this season.

2-Go through every person on every position we have now, rate every player as a keeper or non-keeper, then place a value on the non-keepers by a process of asking "Can we trade him for an "X" draft pick number? Can we get free agent so and so to fill this spot?". Then, in some positions, we may have to keep the "make do for now" players, made up of ones we have now that can be OK for now, that is short-termers.

3-take all those we can trade and get whatever value we can to do the rebuild.

4-repeat steps 1-3 in every draft and free agency sign-up until we have a strong, winning team with good players in every position.

5-Do nothing for now with Front Office / coaching staff unless a real issue exists for the first year, that is this year. If Mike Shanahan IS our future HC for the next several years, let him do his stuff. Let him make his staff and coaching changes as he sees is best. Create stability for the player by having a stable coaching staff.

This whole process will take a few years, so choose wisely the players and positions we start with. And add wisely to that core. Keep in mind NFL minimum roster rules for team and position.

IMHO: the players I would keep are: WR Moss & Armstrong, TE Cooley & Davis, RB Torain, maybe Portis, Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo, Landry, DHall, Gano & whoever next punter/holder are (reason on kicker/punter the is O & D lines seems to be greatly in need, 2 less positions to worry about). I guess keep QB Beck, although an unknown, he's new enough to maybe be trained to be a good backup.

Posted by: davedeltawhiskeybravo | December 18, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Lighten up, Brownwood baby. I know it's different in the NBA. You have to admit Arenas seemed un-tradeable after all of those seasons lost to injury and then the suspension, AND that albatross of a contract. Last December there was NO SHOT he could be unloaded.

I'm essentially saying that if the Wiz can get some sucker to take Arenas, then anything is possible. Generally.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 18, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Rush Limbaugh was right after all. Ho Ho Ho!

Posted by: Sulphide1 | December 18, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I forgot, keep Brandon Banks, too.

Posted by: davedeltawhiskeybravo | December 18, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

beeeeeeep

Posted by: TWISI | December 18, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I hope you're right bro. But I have serious doubts in Grossman's ability to win this game. I'll grant you that MS/KS know more than me. If you really think Grossman gives us a better chance to win then...OK

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2010 5:57 PM

Yeah we really need McNabb to quarterback these last 3 games so we can see if his bounce passes are as good as Wall's. Let's keep throwin ol retread out there, I'm sure the results will be different this time...

Posted by: Painful_priapism | December 18, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Shannahan is looking for a young quarterback that he can "raise".

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | December 18, 2010 5:48 PM
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shanny has never "raised" or developed a young qb ever...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 18, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I lost 46 pounds and 6 inches in my waist. This is not a fake pill. Try the new "Hypersonic Weight Loss"

Posted by: jaspermax | December 18, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Would anyone in the Skins front office seriously consider trading a $3.5M bonus in return for the picks we could get for McNabb from AZ or MN? If the Skins allow McNabb to return his bonus in exchange for being released from his contract, Shanahan and Allen are a lot dumber than I thought.

Posted by: sgmd
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And why would AZ or MN trade for McNabb when they know the Redskins definitely do not want to pay him $10 million dollars, definitely do not want him on the team and will eventually cut him????

Also if they trade for McNabb then they enherit that bogus $70 million contract McNabb signed and would be on the hook for paying him $10 million next season rather than being able to negotiate from scratch if they sign him after he's cut.

You must think MN and AZ management is as dumb as the Skins management.

Posted by: 6thsense79 | December 19, 2010 3:47 AM | Report abuse

Would anyone in the Skins front office seriously consider trading a $3.5M bonus in return for the picks we could get for McNabb from AZ or MN? If the Skins allow McNabb to return his bonus in exchange for being released from his contract, Shanahan and Allen are a lot dumber than I thought.

Posted by: sgmd
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And why would AZ or MN trade for McNabb when they know the Redskins definitely do not want to pay him $10 million dollars, definitely do not want him on the team and will eventually cut him????

Also if they trade for McNabb then they enherit that bogus $70 million contract McNabb signed and would be on the hook for paying him $10 million next season rather than being able to negotiate from scratch if they sign him after he's cut.

You must think MN and AZ management is as dumb as the Skins management.

Posted by: 6thsense79 | December 19, 2010 3:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm a little tired of hearing how the Skins disrespected McNabb. He will always be an Eagle. He came here for one year, played poorly and was shown the door. McNabb disrespected the Skins by his play and by not getting into shape. If anyone, it was Reid, who disrespected McNabb when he, in effect, made him the third string QB on the Eagles and thought so little of him traded him to a conference rival. Skins owe McNabb nothing and got nothing out of him. I do agree that it was a dumb move trading our picks away for over the hill players (the apple does not fall too far from the tree (George/Bruce reference)). but I recall the fans on this site were 90% for the trade...I was in the minority then. Its not just Snyder who is too impatient to go through a long rebuilding process to have a substanable competitive team...it's 90% of the fan base; and that is the real problem.

Posted by: Skin4Life1 | December 19, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

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