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McNabb benched because Grossman gave team best chance, Shanahan says

Coach Mike Shanahan said Sunday he benched starting quarterback Donovan McNabb with less than two minutes left in the Lions game because he believed backup Rex Grossman gave the team a better chance to win the game.

"I thought (Grossman) gave us the best chance to win," Shanahan said.

McNabb, who was not injured, is still the Redskins' starter, Shanahan said. But he said Grossman is more comfortable with the team's offense and more capable of running the two-minute offense.

The Redskins had the ball trailing 31-25 with less than two minutes remaining when Grossman replaced McNabb. Grossman stepped back to pass on his first play, was hit and fumbled the ball. Lions lineman Ndamukong Suh picked it up and took it into the end zone to put the game out of reach.

Asked about Shanahan's move, McNabb said: "He makes the decisions. I just continue to go with it and just cheer for my team." He said he believes players and coaches still have confidence in him.

"When you get benched, you get benched," McNabb said. "Just have to learn from it and move on."

"I continue to focus as if I'm the starter," he added. "He said I'm still the starter."

By Rick Maese  | October 31, 2010; 5:40 PM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb  
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Comments

McNabb sucks.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 31, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

he-he-he!!

Posted by: 10peterbilt | October 31, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

McNabb sucks.

Posted by: Original_etrod

His Oline sucks even more. And Rex Grossman sucks.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 31, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

You think the Eagles would have dumped him if he didnt suck??? To a division rival at that??? McNabb is a CLOWN!!!

Posted by: tpenn16 | October 31, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

McNabb sucks because he can't win a game without an O line or running game? Huh.

His knack for periodic dumb mistakes aside -- and we knew that was going to be part of the deal -- he's the best QB we've had on this team since Theismann. How is that "sucks"? Who else should be playing QB for the Skins right now, aside from him?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 31, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Ditto Rachel no one woulda cared much about this loss. This little peace of shannysh!t cost the skins the season if not the whole shanny tenure! F them both!

Ps...eagles win the superbowl. "Book it!"

Posted by: dealer1 | October 31, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

LOL at people arguing with Pampa and Peter. Folks - they're obviously closet Redskin fans who are just looking to rile people up.

Why else would they spend all their time on a Redskins blog instead of watching their own (supposed) team play?

I enjoy their trips into fantasy land.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 31, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins played to the level of a 1-5 team. No doubt about it. But instead of rating the team . I want to rate the officials.--- A BIG FAT "F"....
1. the holding call on Williams, when it appeared the defensive end just slipped and fell.
2. the facemask which wasn't called when Torrain's head snapped a foot back.
3. the non-fasemask call when Banks was returning a kick-off in the 4th Qtr.
4. questionable call on Banks's first TD which was called back..

Posted by: rkmech11 | October 31, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

c'mon people...what do you expect...look at the roster....and it's the 1st year of transition....go rake some leaves or something and relax

Posted by: sir_blip | October 31, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

McNabb wasn't the issue. The O-line goofballs are the issue. Why would Sexy Rexy fare any better?

Posted by: tristesse27 | October 31, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan's megalomania all season caught up to him today. Benching McNabb with less than two minutes was idiotic. Grossman gives you a better chance to win? Are you kidding? And the rationale that Grossman understands the offense better than McNabb applied the first game of the season. If that is true, why wasn't Grossman starting all season?

Equally idiotic was keeping only two running backs, one of whom is a rookie with no NFL experience and very little college experience. AH makes plays, even if he is a jerk himself (funny, he spoke about McNabb today using the same language, rationale and tone as his treatment of AH -- watch your back Donovan, you're in for a ride). Before he got hurt, Shanahan was jerking Portis around too.

Shanahan is good, just not nearly as good as he thinks he is. Nor are the players and other coaches around him as lazy and stupid as Shanahan believes them to be. From his comments, it is clear he believes that his "system" is more important than the talent in it, and he can take a marginally talented player, stick him in his system,. and he'll flourish. Nonsense on stilts.

This is going to be a LONG two weeks, and Shanahan put the whole season at risk. His arrogance may kill this team.

Posted by: haunches | October 31, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins played to the level of a 1-5 team. No doubt about it. But instead of rating the team . I want to rate the officials.--- A BIG FAT "F"....
1. the holding call on Williams, when it appeared the defensive end just slipped and fell.
2. the facemask which wasn't called when Torrain's head snapped a foot back.
3. the non-fasemask call when Banks was returning a kick-off in the 4th Qtr.
4. questionable call on Banks's first TD which was called back..

Posted by: rkmech11 | October 31, 2010 5:58 PM
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forgot the Armstrong bump 20 yards into the pattern non-call.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | October 31, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

See why Shanahan got fired from Denver? Without an Elway around to save him....he sucks.

Posted by: nowhine | October 31, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

c'mon folks...what do ya expect...look at the roster....it's the 1st year of transition...gonna take some time..not this year...at least the games are watchable now and competitive....relax...go out and get those leaves up or something

Posted by: sir_blip | October 31, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Sure, Grossman did SO much better...

Shanahan should have left McNabb in, but I suppose he though he'd try something different.

Clearly, it didn't work.

Posted by: postfan1 | October 31, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan to McNabb: "Learn the GD offense and start playing up to your reputation or we will replace you." McNabb has not played well for Shanahan and today was no better. There's a lot behind the scenes between Shanahan and McNabb.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 31, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Just a weird decision...

Posted by: WRBD | October 31, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Neither Grossman nor McNabb was the real problem. It was the O-line and the lame play calling by Kyle Shanahan that lost the game. Shanny should have benched his own son.

Posted by: jameon | October 31, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

If the person who knew the offense best should have been playing quarterback in the last two minutes, why didn't Shanahan send himself in?

Posted by: BillyShields | October 31, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I won $10 from my cousin when they put Rex in... I said "Sack, fumble for $5. Extra $5 if its a TD." Easiest ten bucks I ever made.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 31, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Now that we lost, once again, to one of the worst teams in the NFL, the Skins' season is over, just like it was last year. They may win a couple more games with any luck, but won't make the playoffs. "Wait 'till next year," is all I can say (which, incidentally, is exactly what I said about this time last year, too!).

Posted by: blufre | October 31, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

"Grossman gave team best chance" - only if his idiot son continued to play a "step up into the pocket" offense that clearly was not there. Their only chance was getting McNabb out of the pocket since the line couldn't block. Flexibility can win games. Rigid adherence to a plan that does not match your personnel is a sure disaster. Both "Shannies" should refuse their paychecks for today.

Posted by: pjohn2 | October 31, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse


folks, we're still dealing with snyder/ cerrato pre-existing conditions. to make matters worse, we have no draft picks thanks to those two and bruce allen. rebuilding a snyder/ cerrato team into a champion may take longer than you think, so, enjoy yourself, it's later than you think

Posted by: hessone | October 31, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Wait a second here -- they gave up two second roung picks for an aging QB who doesn't give them a better chance to win at the end of a game than REX GROSSMAN? Are you serious!

Posted by: dolph924 | October 31, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I am mistaken, but I don't remember Erik Cooke getting trucked 4 yards into the backfield once in the preseason. With Rabach, it seems like pretty much every play - for the last two years.

Perhaps Cooke and Dockery are worth another look?

Posted by: edvar | October 31, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Roadkill could block better than Casey Rabach blocked today. He should have been handing out complimentary peanuts as the blitz blew past.

Posted by: SonofNero | October 31, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

So where do you think McNabb will play next season? Its not going to be here, not after that.

Posted by: tqlla | October 31, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Now you will know what the fans in Philly know. McNabb's best days are behind him, he can't and never could run a two minute offense( besides throwing behind and at the feet of his receivers), and will throw a pick at the worst possible time late in a game. You will soon see Donovan at his passive aggressive best and watch him throw his team mates under the bus then tell you that he would never do that.

Enjoy Redskin fans

Posted by: tre793 | October 31, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

This should seal the deal of McNabb not coming back to the Redskins next year. That is, if the decision not to come back wasn't already made.

Posted by: DonMcCoy | October 31, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan to McNabb: "Learn the GD offense and start playing up to your reputation or we will replace you." McNabb has not played well for Shanahan and today was no better. There's a lot behind the scenes between Shanahan and McNabb."

While I think the o-line has lots of issues, I think "beep" is right.

A couple weeks ago on TV I saw an exchange between between Kyle and McNabb when Kyle approached Donovan he kind of blew Kyle off when he told him that he missed the play and Big Shanny came over and had to get him to listen.

I can't stand the announcers we get stuck with but they also touched on the differences in the offenses in Philly and Washington.

Again, I think "beep" is right and maybe McNabb is unwilling or unable to learn the offense. I've noticed him missing plays the last few weeks, including today.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 31, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

DIC-tater shanahan has made all by himself the o-line worst than it should be by inserting licthensteiger at guard and keeping rabach at center both are incompetent and weak he had players with strength (dockery and e. williams now gone)but he wanted an interior line of sub-standard so-called whites and now mcnabb is getting pounded almost the entire games, instead of this gremlin adjusting to the talent he has he wants everything his way and blames the negro qb(according to so-called whites) for HIS FAILURE AND INEPTNESS. slick willy shanahan is a pompous arrogant fraud.

Posted by: wathu19 | October 31, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, if Grossman knows the 2-minute offense better then why didn't MS put him in the other games late?

No. One. Is. Buying. This.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 31, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

folks, we're still dealing with snyder/ cerrato pre-existing conditions.

Posted by: hessone
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Correct, still plenty of rebuilding to do, and most of it's still on that Oline.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | October 31, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

This is just a weird explanation to a weird decision. Grossman gave the team the best chance of winning because he is more comfortable with the offense? Why isn't he starting then if he's the QB who is most comfortable with the offense??? I'll answer that one - he's not starting cos he sucks! Seems that Shanahan momentarily forgot that. Nice one Shanny - now we have a lovely QB controversy to distract the team with during its bye week. You might say Mcnabb is still the starter but will the media want to just accept that? Nope! They'll be raking this muck for the next 2 weeks and it's all the other players will hear about. I wouldn't have minded so much if the decision to put Grossman in had made some sort of sense in the first place!!

Posted by: tartanskin | October 31, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

We have 4 losses and two were from the Lions and Rams. Ouch.

haunches: you couldn't be more right. If Grossman has better knowledge then why did you trade for McNabb? Rex should be the starter then. Shanny should've just said he didn't want McNabb to get hit anymore, instead of pulling this BS on us.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 31, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Haunches my friend your on the money. Why does everybody pounce in McNabb when we clearly have issues with our O line. This is McNabbs first year in a new system after 10 years of being in another one so it's going to take a minute to get used to it. Seeing as how we invested a second round pic he has to be our future and thus we must protect him. The lions D line was smothering him so we need to work on the o line, get a running game going again and get another big receiver that can stretch the field. We may fall short this year but after gelling the rest of this season and next offseason we will be a much better team on offense and defense. Now all I ask is you please protect him
as he won't live to next season if he takes as many hits today for the rest of the season. Hail skins and even though we lost so did the cowboys which is always a moral victory.

Posted by: HTown6 | October 31, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

One year later, the Redskins are still a lousy team
with lousy coaches. Are you reading this, Mr. Dan?

Posted by: why231 | October 31, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is old but still pretty good. Granted, he sucked royally today and threw an interception that cost us 7 points and gave the lowly Lions a lead they would not relinquish. But Grossman goes in--a move Shanahan was right to make--and is crunched in a nasty sandwich sack that ejected the ball as though someone had done the Heimlich manuever on an 80 yr old choking on a hot dog. But I digress. The point is: it doesn't really matter who is back there (unless it's Jason Campbell who had the leadership qualities of a timid teen on the Titanic) ...sorry, digressed again, the point is: our offensive line SUCKS!

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | October 31, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

We are seeing why Denver fired Shanny - he makes irrational and imperious decisions and then tries to rationalize them. Whether it is letting Devin thomas go or benching McNabb with game on line.

Grossman gave team better chance top win - really??

Grossman is one of the worst QBs in the league and even a has been McNabb is better than a never been Grossman

Shame on you Shanny

Posted by: Rohit_334101 | October 31, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Another brutal performance by McPick. Shocker. Again, why did they waste two high draft picks to bring him here? He's TERRIBLE. Fleeced again and by the Eagles no less. I guess we know that there will be no fat contract extension now, eh?

Posted by: RunninUteDB | October 31, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

This should seal the deal of McNabb not coming back to the Redskins next year. That is, if the decision not to come back wasn't already made.

Posted by: DonMcCoy | October 31, 2010 6:15 PM

Don. Get a grip. There are eight more games to be played before a decision has to be made. No deal has been sealed. No seal has been dealed.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 31, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse


I told you all at the beginning of the season not to buy into Shanahan. He's bad news. This is precisely why the man who was practically his best friend (Pat Bowlen) fired him in Denver.

Unfortunately, Snyder is in a pinch and won't fire him for at least another two years for PR reasons.

It will get better, Redskins Nation. Just not anytime soon.

Posted by: SlinginSammy | October 31, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

The decision for McNabb to leave might be mutual. He'll go to Arizona. Meanwhile, Shanny and Bruce won't have much to show for the draft picks they traded away. Jamal Brown will probably leave too.

Posted by: coparker5 | October 31, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is leaving after this year. The trade will be an unmitigated disaster. We'll be able to point to this game as the lowpoint.

At least we can't rebuild with the 3 picks in this draft.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | October 31, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

The O-line is a mess. The Skins are going to be able to do nothing until it is fixed.

Posted by: EKruse | October 31, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

F#ck Mike ShanaMan.

Little Kyle: Run the dam ball when you have a lead in the 4th qtr. even if you don't get the first down you can take your time and run out some clock, punt and let your defense do their thing!!

I am so mad I want to smack Mike ShanaMan in his no lip mouth.

What a stupdid azz bunch of BS you have created going into the bye week!

I see why Denver fired your stupid personnell decison making azz.

Halfway into the season still trying to find starters? Uh, I beleive we have OTA's, and preseason for that. Leakmaster is a joke! Is his family paying you money under the table, are you screwing his Mom?
I mean WTF? Your paying Dockery big bucks to stand around and be inactive when you have LeakMaster be an open swing gate?

Since your so into "competition", why not have an open one for center, Rabach was manhandled like a peice of papermache'.

Your fuc#ing with Haynesworth was BS. All of that could have been alleviated and he could have been playing well long time ago.

This game was ours, once again I just want to smack ShanaMan and his stupid playcalling son.

ShanaMan you looked so stupid as you got testy at your press conference, you know your whole rationale for pulling McNabb was BS of the highest order.

I hope you stew in your stupidity all the way until we play Philly!

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 31, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 31, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

McNab is awesome...that why the Eagles let him go....he is better than Manning and Brady and all of the other premium QB's in the league...I hear the Colts and letting Manning go and the Patriots can't wait to get rid of Brady. The Reskins are also going to win the SUPERBOWL...ha ha ha Suckers! The Redskins...child please!

Posted by: scottpapex | October 31, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Benching McNabb with less than two minutes was idiotic
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what is idiotic is to stick with a guy who consistently proves he can't get the job done. McNabb is awful.

What also is idiotic is having Grossman as your backup. You have 2 very questionable QBs at the team's most critical position. But at this point, we know what we have with McNabb. I'd like to see what we have with Rex. If he's equally bad, then I guess go with Donnie. But for cryin out loud, NO CONTRACT EXTENSION!

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 31, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

End of my respect for you, Mr Sunburn!

Posted by: fr3dmars | October 31, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

that is some BS!!! Shannhan needs to back the H*LL off his pride and stop meddling with things. Rex Grossman has more picks than TDs in his ENTIRE career. He pulled McNabb because of the pick to only replace him with a worse QB who immediately fumbles and puts the game away for the Lions. I really wish Cowher would have taken the job. That move by Shannhan was all about his pride just like how he treated Haynesworth!! He better swallow his pride within the next 2 weeks and fix what he messed up. Put Dockery back in the starting line up, bench Galloway n Lictensteigher, bring Austin up to play WR and let the team play!

Posted by: daquietcutie | October 31, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

The decision for McNabb to leave might be mutual. He'll go to Arizona. Meanwhile, Shanny and Bruce won't have much to show for the draft picks they traded away. Jamal Brown will probably leave too.

Posted by: coparker5 | October 31, 2010 6:25 PM

They will franchise McNabb and trade him. They'll get something for him, but not what they gave up.

Brown will sign a one-year deal with the Redskins. Unless he plays better, no one else will give him a large, long-term deal.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 31, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow...if beep and hessone are the voices of reason up here, then the blog has REALLY gone nuts.

The "regulars" up here crowing for Grossman got their wish...and got every bit of the putridity I expected. Maybe next time you'll be more careful what you wish for.

Considering McNabb was running for his life today and almost singlehandedly got us in the end zone the first two times, blaming him for this loss is criminally insane. Again...I don't care what his numbers are. All I know is that save for the bad pick in the 4th quarter, he kept us in the game damn near by himself. And even then I'm questioning the coaches on why they're passing with a lead and 3 mins on the clock.

The two major things to contribute to this loss happened long before McNabb or Shanahan could screw it up: penalties that took points off the board for us and kept drives alive for the Lions, and not being able to block the Lions. I don't care who your QB is...if he's getting hit, sacked, or hurried 26 out of 36 dropbacks, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WIN.

So come down off the legde, folks. We're 4-4, right on pace for the 8 wins most of us predicted for them. It would be nice to take advantage of a mediocre NFC this year, but apparently that's too much to ask of a team still trying to find its way.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 31, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

You don't rebuild a Snyderatto mess like this in one year. McNabb was worth the risk, because MS thought he could win some games this year while rebuilding. (Anyone really think JC and Zorn would have us at 4-4?) If #5 doesn't show serious improvement, we offer him a fair 3 year contract with incentives and not much guaranteed. Anyone think Zona or Minny will offer more based on this year?

And let's wait and see what Reid gets for those picks before we call this the worst trade of the decade.

Posted by: NickBarking | October 31, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

So Shanny will make changes to the line during the bye right? Wrong, he will stay with Leakiestieger and Rabach and the Oline issues will continue. Why, because that's the way that Shanny roles.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | October 31, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Another brutal performance by McPick. Shocker. Again, why did they waste two high draft picks to bring him here? He's TERRIBLE. Fleeced again and by the Eagles no less. I guess we know that there will be no fat contract extension now, eh?


Posted by: RunninUteDB


TOTAL A^^HOLE..NO F***IN BODY COULD PERFORM BEHIND THIS PILE OF SH*T O-LINE THE FO AND COACHES HAVE FIELDED.. KYLE SHANAHAN LOOKS LIKE HE WAS CARRIED BY THe
TEXANS LAST YEAR.. HE'S GOT TOO MUCH EGO TO ADMIT HE'S FAILED WITH McNABB AND THE OFFENSIVE LINE, HE'S OVER HIS HEAD AND ENABLED BY HIS OVERLY-RIGHTEOUS FATHER..THIS TEAM HAS IMPROVED , BUT AT WHAT COST?? MY BEER HAS NO LIMIT TO ITS KAMIKAZE FURY, AS THE REDSKINS ARE ONE OF MAYBE THREE OR FOUR THINGS I LIVE FOR...at least the beer gnats get laid before they drown gloriously..

Posted by: frak | October 31, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Have to say Shanahan messed up on this decision. The OFFENSIVE and I do mean OFFENSIVE line was the problem today. McNabb has his bad throws here and there but he also made some great ones.

McNabbs been far worse at times than today this year and he NEVER put Grossman in. The whole Grossman knowing the two minute offense better you think would've shown itself by Grossman being able to get rid of the ball but it's not on him. Again the offensive line was disgusting and is a probal that will need to be addressed in the offseason. Oh well.

Posted by: Jonathan6 | October 31, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

When you hire Joan Rivers, you get Joan Rivers.

Posted by: mdpilot | October 31, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Good to read you alive and well, AMTTS.

Thanks for the much-needed dose of that trademark optimism.

(But Landry is finally doing/allowed to do all that was foretold.)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | October 31, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

McNabb played like crap today and he's been marginal this season at best. But Shannagan's benching him for Rex Grossman is one of the most weird QB moves I have ever seen. The last two minutes of the game???? Instead of making that lame statement about Grossman giving us the best chance to win, he should have just admitted that he was unhappy with McNabb's play and decided to give Grossman a chance. At least that would have been honest. Now he just sounds ridiculous and the team is in it's usual season swoon. The OL sucks, just like last year. It's downhill from here.

Posted by: jfoster13 | October 31, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Donovan earned the bench. DO NOT SIGN HIM LONG-TERM. He's done.

Posted by: sbdc2 | October 31, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Reminds me too much of Al Saunders and Steve Spurrier. If the only people that work in your system are inferior athletes who have experience with you, perhaps the problem is less the QB than the coach. Adapt to your talent. If you're really better off starting Rex, Todd C., and Wuerffel, the problem isn't really the roster, is it?

Makes me wonder if Shanny and Cutler would have gotten along if the Skins had finished the Jay trade.

Posted by: WorstSeat | October 31, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mja712 | October 31, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

only thing more confusing than why the Skins cast all their eggs in the McNabb basket is the bewildering support of a clearly BAD QB by many Skins fans.

mind boggling.

Its not the system when a QB looks to his left and bounces a ball 3 feet in front of a wide open target. Its not the system when the QB can't figure out that his floating pass is being tossed carelessly towards a salivating cornerback. He overthrows receivers, he underthrows receivers, the only perfectly thrown passes are usually at the other teams' players.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 31, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS NOT ALL DONOVAN MCNABBS FAULT PEOPLE! WAKE UP! WE HAVE NO O-LINE AND NO NFL CALIBER #1 WR ON THE TEAM! WE HAVE WON 4 GAMES WITH SMOKE AND MIRRORS WITH A LOT OF LUCK GOING OUR WAY! THE LINE IS GETTING THIS GUY KILLED AND HE DOES MISS THROWS BUT THEN LOOK AT THE DROPS AND MIX IT TOGETHER AND YOU HAVE THIS MESS, BUT NOT ALL ON MCNABB, THATS BS!

Posted by: Beltwayboy7 | October 31, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

This stupidity by ShanaMan to bench McNabb could be the thing that ruins what could have been a possible, and I say possible, playoff season.

Last years Detroit game pretty much was the game that cemented our 4-12 spiral and caused Zorn to lose the team.

Maybe ShanaMan should be crowned,"Zornaman".
Both are masters at some of the stupidest personnel decisons I've seen recently by NFL head coaches. Zorn could be excused he was clueless because he hadn't ever been an offensive co-ordinator, never mind head coach.

ShannyMan has head coaching experience and a couple Super Bowls, though from some of the BS he's put down with the Redskins this year you never would have known it.

What a stupid no lip jerk, to create this crap going into a bye week.

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 31, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Donovan earned the bench. DO NOT SIGN HIM LONG-TERM. He's done.

Posted by: sbdc2 |

This is twenty-twenty hindsight. Where were you before the trade was meant. SOme of us didn't like the deal back then. Wesuspected by the time the OLine issues were fixed, McNabb would be too old or gone. Better to guild you own QB of the future.

Posted by: TheCork | October 31, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

If we had somehow won that game, I would be sending a huge gift basket to the Detroit special teams coach. It actually took him almost 4 quarters to figure out he shouldn't kick the ball to Banks.

Hands off the panic button. Detroit is an up and coming team, Suh is a monster, and we all knew we didn't have anyone who could cover C. Johnson. With a few breaks we may get to 8-8. Sure beats 4-12.

A better game plan coming out of the bye would be nice though.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 31, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

This game convinced me without a doubt that Mike Shanahan is full of himself or he is just using defense mechanism for outright incompetence. I mean the offense has been inept all year. Why would he go for two point conversion consecutively at the end zone? Why did he not punt the ball and go for it on 4th and 1 at his own 30 or yard with over two minutes left in the game? Why inject Rex Grossman when the game was virtually decided? Those decisions just did not make any iota of sense to me.

Either Shanahan is living in his own illusory world or nepotism (his son is the offensive coordinator) has just beclouded his judgment. The offensive line is still poor and if care is not taken, he will not even have McNabb to play the rest of the season and he will be stuck with his fumbling Grossman whose record in the league has been subpar. Tell me if it is not nepotism, which other offensive coordinator will still have his job under Shanahan if your offense is right close to the bottom of the league. Now, he is going to blame McNabb who is a proven commodity (if not without a super bowl ring).

I say fire Kyle if you have any guts Mike. Dad fire your own son and let us know you have any credibility left!

Posted by: midas20874 | October 31, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

the more I see of Kyle as an offensive coordinator the more credit I give Matt Schaub for Houston's success last year.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | October 31, 2010 5:56 PM

Because you know nothing. Absolutely nothing. You've come to the right place. Enjoy your yourself.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 6:01 PM
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hey Thinker..Looks like you're here too... but without substance in your postings.

To my point...

Crap play calling and putting Rex in, notwithstanding, there was no discernible game-plan adjustment by the Offensive Coordinater, at half time, for a porous Oline that had already allowed the QB to be sacked 4 times. A quicker snap count was all Kyle could come up with.
Last year's playoff Texan's cast of players and QB (tied for first this year) appear to of been successful in spite of Kyle.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | October 31, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Good Lord people. McNabb is not perfect, but anyone who watched today's game can clearly see it's the OLINE'S FAULT. Even the best QB in the world could not survive behind this Oline. How can you expect a guy to get into a rhythm when he is getting knocked down on almost every play. He can't even buy a second at times. We are going to always have those occasional dirtballs but the Oline is the main reason why McNabb is looking the way he's looking.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 31, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

The real problem is that darn o-line...did you see how many times the QB's was hit, sack today????

Posted by: redskinsfaninnc | October 31, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Granted, he sucked royally today and threw an interception that cost us 7 points and gave the lowly Lions a lead they would not relinquish
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he has sucked in large portions thruout the season. We have won games despite him, not inspite of him. Even his "comebacks" are usually because he has had to atone for sins of the past in the same game.

Every game that transpires, he looks worse and worse. That is not the trend you want. And frankly it defeats the notion that he just needs to get comfortable in the system. If that was the case, he would improving every game, not getting worse.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 31, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Come Skins fans stop going to see this sorry team play. Its the same old story bring players at the end of their careers and continue to lose to teams like the Lions and Rams. The skins should really be 0-8 this year. Enough is enough of this sorry. Stay home and send a message to this rotten team.

Posted by: mike1ad | October 31, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell should still be hear people may not like it but Campbell should have be not been pushed out. Campbell for all the haters can play and win in this league with people around him. he is sure better option then Grossman

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | October 31, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Come on Skins fans stop going to see this sorry team play. Its the same old story bring players at the end of their careers and continue to lose to teams like the Lions and Rams. The skins should really be 0-8 this year. Enough is enough of this sorry. Stay home and send a message to this rotten team.

Posted by: mike1ad | October 31, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I predicted 7-9 at the start of the season. I'm going to revise that to 6-10 now.

Posted by: coparker5 | October 31, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

And taking out mcnabb for grossman????....if grossman gives us the best chance to win then this season is OVER!!!!

Posted by: redskinsfaninnc | October 31, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

The game was so weird, I'm back to my Vegas conspiracy theories.

Posted by: Xlnt | October 31, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

The game was so weird, I'm back to my Vegas conspiracy theories.

Posted by: Xlnt | October 31, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Come Skins fans stop going to see this sorry team play. Its the same old story bring players at the end of their careers and continue to lose to teams like the Lions and Rams. The skins should really be 0-8 this year. Enough is enough of this sorry. Stay home and send a message to this rotten team.

Posted by: mike1ad | October 31, 2010 7:02 PM


You ARE aware the team was on the road today, right? I mean, really...for someone so through with the Skins you're pretty lame for showing up on a Skins message board...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 31, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

quit blaming the line. We all know the line is suspect. However, when you combine a bad QB with a bad line, you get results like this.

You put a better QB behind a mediocre line and you can get better throws and conversions on 3rd down. Even when McNuthing HAS time, he bounces balls in the dirt, overthrows his receivers, and fires the ball at 100mph from 2 yards away in the end zone. Stupid stupid stupid

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 31, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Haunches you nailed itso well im reposting it. I would just add too that his ego with not adding a quality wide receiver also has placed this team at jeopardy. Great that just as the haynesworth situation was dying down he created another one.

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Shanahan's megalomania all season caught up to him today. Benching McNabb with less than two minutes was idiotic. Grossman gives you a better chance to win? Are you kidding? And the rationale that Grossman understands the offense better than McNabb applied the first game of the season. If that is true, why wasn't Grossman starting all season?

Equally idiotic was keeping only two running backs, one of whom is a rookie with no NFL experience and very little college experience. AH makes plays, even if he is a jerk himself (funny, he spoke about McNabb today using the same language, rationale and tone as his treatment of AH -- watch your back Donovan, you're in for a ride). Before he got hurt, Shanahan was jerking Portis around too.

Shanahan is good, just not nearly as good as he thinks he is. Nor are the players and other coaches around him as lazy and stupid as Shanahan believes them to be. From his comments, it is clear he believes that his "system" is more important than the talent in it, and he can take a marginally talented player, stick him in his system,. and he'll flourish. Nonsense on stilts.

This is going to be a LONG two weeks, and Shanahan put the whole season at risk. His arrogance may kill this team.

Posted by: detroitblkmale30 | October 31, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Also, why were there no roll outs to negate the up the middle rush?

Has not anyone on the staff heard of in-game adustments?

Why call a pass play with a lead at 3 some minutes?

If your going to pass most of the time, why have a LG who can't pass block? I wanna know is your LG kicking back some of his salary, are you screwing his Mom, or do
you owe his family something? What the hell is going on here with this LeakenMeister?

Why is your son the offensive co-ordinator when our offense is in the cellar and stinks. There's no way you can't tell me there is someone who can do better.

If Rex Grossman supposedly gives you the best chance to win in the 2-minute drill, and knows the offense better, why wasn't he in the other games that were close?

Why isn't he your starter then?

ShanaMan, why are you full of sh&t?

Answer these questions, inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 31, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have not had an O line for some time. Taking Mcnabb out was a bad move. Grossman in the last 2 minutes? Dumb move! Shanahan did not put him in to win the game. We know the real reason. Mcnabb you are truly a professional.

Posted by: KIMDREWDAVIS | October 31, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1: I know you're reasonable, you can't honestly put this all on McNabb. Did you see the Oline today?

Posted by: rachel216 | October 31, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

haunches said it best

Benching McNabb at that point of the game made no sense at all, and what Grossman do on the 1st play of the game; he fumbled the ball!!!!! Shanahan should have just said I was mad at McNabb, etc, etc...not Grossman had the best chance to win in a minute & a half from a 12 point lead

Don't play me stupid...Hey but look at Jason Campbell & Jim Zorn's teams this year....

Posted by: ahrj | October 31, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm pissed with Kyle Shanahan for even endorsing this move. Hey Kyle this is DC and QB controversies are pretty serious around here and Donovan isn't the whole problem with your offense my friend!

Posted by: Beltwayboy7 | October 31, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Hmm so who will be the top interior Oline guys in the next draft? Trent was a great start, we need another beast.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | October 31, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

And taking out mcnabb for grossman????....if grossman gives us the best chance to win then this season is OVER!!!!

Posted by: redskinsfaninnc


umm...do you know the definition of insanity? its expecting different results without changing anything up. Shanny was more than patient with the Donny.

If nothing, benching him sends him a msg that his job isn't safe. I have no problem with that msg. In fact, it needs to be sent MORE often. Even if he takes McNabb out for one or two drives and then puts him back in.

The other part of it is, we have no idea how good or bad Grossman can be in this system until we see him play.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 31, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

If you can't block the other guys, you usually lose.
Any McNabb, Grossman, Shannahan (Kyle or Mike) criticism is a waste of time when your offensive line stinks it up as bad as the Redskin line did today.
It truly is that simple; can't run, can't protect, can't win.

Posted by: cjbass55 | October 31, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I said it when they hired him he is a joke as a HC and his staff is even a bigger joke, pulling McNabb when the team still had a chance was bush league and petty, given the O-lines performance McNabb at least can get away from pressure that move by Shannahan today could possibly divide this team.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 31, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey Kyle this is DC and QB controversies are pretty serious around here and Donovan isn't the whole problem with your offense my friend!

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so fine, bench some of the O-line too.

dM may not be the entire problem, but he is without a doubt a part of it. A BIG part in some games. And he's trending downwards.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 31, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

McNabb's isn't playing with the same level of offensive talent he had in Phlly. This team would be 2-6 if Campbell or Grossman was the starting QB.


Posted by: loux24 | October 31, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

If you consider every other team in the league, the skins has to have the worst overall offense at this point.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | October 31, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Well it's not the end of the world people. MS will have time to re-evaluate some things, and make adjustments. Cooley, Williams, Brown will get some time to heal up. 8-8 at the start of the year was a reasonable expectation. If the offense gets going, 9 or 10 wins aren't out the picture.

Posted by: TWISI | October 31, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I really like McNabb, and I think he gives us the best chance to win, but not all of our offensive woes can be blamed on the o'line. Donovan throws some truly horrible passes into the turf, over receiver's heads and into the hands of the other team. Sometimes I wonder if his head's in the game.

Posted by: greggsol | October 31, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

those of you not in favor of the McNabb benching would (and should) be singing a different tune if that INT/TD hadn't been called back last week v the Bears. Because if DM hadn't thru his own ineptitude committed a delay of game that called back that INT, this would now be 2 games in a row that he's physically lost the game with a terrible throw

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 31, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Yup, b/c it makes a ton of sense to put out a cold Grossman and expect him to lead us to a win.

If McNabb doesn't have the knowledge to take this team down the field to a score then what the hell is he doing as our starting QB?

If this was to send a message then Shanny should be FIRED. If McNabb isn't here to be the STARTER then why the F did you waste our draft picks when we could've got oline men??

Posted by: rachel216 | October 31, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

OK, if Shanahan doesn't think McNabb is a great QB .... fine. But to suggest that Grossman gives the team its best chance to win is akin to Shanahan admitting his own idiocy (which of course he'll never do). If Grossman gave the Skins their best chance to win, he would be the starter.

This move smacks of some sort of elementary-school power play that couldn't be resolved at recess or after school. Is Shanahan afraid that McNabb carries more clout in the locker room or something? If his team is up 30 or down 30 ... fine. But to do this with a couple minutes left and a margin of a margin of a couple of touchdowns is idiotic.

McNabb is far too classy to badmouth this move publicly, but it can't sit well with him. If Shanahan "loses" McNabb with this move, or through other behind-the-scenes bickering, he's going to make McNabb have zero interest in signing any kind of extension. In that case, McNabb will go be Favre's replacement in Minnesota (they'd be stupid to franchise a 34-year-old QB who doesn't want to be here) and Andy Reid will be giggling over his heist of a couple of draft picks.

Nice going, Shanahan.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | October 31, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I watching the Card and the Buc and it's 38-35 Bucs. What the fu-ck is the skins offense during every sunday?

Posted by: kingpenn1 | October 31, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1: I know you're reasonable, you can't honestly put this all on McNabb. Did you see the Oline today?

Posted by: rachel216 |

i didn't put it ALL on him. But I put a lot on him. We all know the line has good games, bad games, and everything in between. But if McNabb was a better QB, we'd still get better results even behind this line Rachel.

Its not like his bad throws only come when he's under pressure. There's times he gets happy feet in the pocket when he actually has time to make a throw. And sometimes even when he does get pressure, his decision-making is horrible

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 31, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Just to say...

Soups - 15/27 302 YDS 2 TD 0 INT

Raiders have piled up 549 yards and 39 points.

Wonder if he is laughing last now?

Raiders will be 4-4 as well.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | October 31, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the O lune has problems, but c'mon. Donovan's QB rating has absolutely sucked. How many times did he sack himself today by tripping on Rabach? He is done. He's not our long-term answer. He's not going to be any better at

Posted by: sbdc2 | October 31, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the O line has problems, but c'mon. Donovan's QB rating has absolutely sucked. How many times did he sack himself today by tripping on Rabach? He is done. He's not our long-term answer. He's not going to be any better in 2-3 years than he is now.

Posted by: sbdc2 | October 31, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

If McNabb's poor play lead to his benching and a player of the quality of Rex Grossman gives you a better chance to win, then will somebody please explain to me why Rabach and Lichtendoormat were still in the game?

Posted by: edvar | October 31, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

lets not get caught up in what Shanny actually said at the end of the game. He's trying to explain his actions without completely burying Donovan.

The truth is, I get pretty sick of watching a QB who is playing terribly, get chance after chance. At some point, I'd just rather lose a game doing something different. I didn't expect Grossman to pull the game out. I was just happy that McNabb finally got benched because he's been playing some below-average football for quite a while now with no repercussions. His QB rating as bad as it is should be even worse if not for the fact that the INT got called back last week and the Lions missed an easy INT for a TD today via another terrible decision by Donovan. He shows very little poise. And I expect a lot more out of a veteran QB than the happyfeet Donnie that I see out there on every play. He looks like a scared flustered rookie.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 31, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

This team would be 2-6 if Campbell or Grossman was the starting QB.


Posted by: loux24 | October 31, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of...I think MS should take a page out of Tom Cable's playbook and recommit to the running game as the basis of this offense early in games. It would help that Oline get in rhythm. I think lessening the load McNabb has to carry would help everyone on offense.

Posted by: TWISI | October 31, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

This is drama wating to happen....I don't agree with the move at all..very bad ...very bad.

If you don't think McNabb can give you the best chance , why did you trade pics for him??

And for McNabb....I think he sees the bull going on here and really didn't give a hoot after that..

Posted by: impervious99 | October 31, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the "system" caused McNabb to trip over himself on the 1st play of the game. The guy looks like a bumbling idiot.

no excuses for the Shanahans either. They evaluated him and decided he was their guy. Too bad. Just hope that this is the 1st and only season I have to suffer watching this dolt at QB. He used to be able to mask his inadequacies via his athleticism. He doesn't even have that anymore. And the only thing more nauseating than watching him at QB is reading his comments about how his teammates have confidence in him. I bet if you took a silent vote among his teammates, they'd say the opposite. They may like him as a person and they may want him to succeed, but they can't change the fact he's a highly inconsistent QB with terrible mechanics and questionable decision making

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 31, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell threw for 310 yards and two touchdowns, and Oakland's defense delivered one of its best performance in years to help the Raiders even their record at the midpoint of the season with a 33-3 victory over the Seattle Seahawks on Sunday.

Posted by: gwest1 | October 31, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Here. Let me throw some fuel on the fire.

Before today's game, Donovan McNabb's QB rating was 76. Jason Campbell's was 73.1. McNabb has one game with a rating over 100; Campbell has two. If you toss in today's games, Campbell will have three (including three of the last four weeks).

Now, you might be inclined to say that McNabb's ratings are understandable given that he's been under pressure so much. However, he's been sacked fewer times per game than Campbell. Through seven games, McNabb was sacked 16 times (2.28 SPG). Campbell has been sacked 13 times in five games (2.6 SPG).

But, you might say, Donovan wins games with his feet! Well, okay. In seven games, McNabb has 90 yards on 19 rushes (4.7 YPC). Campbell, on the other hand, has 97 yards in 22 rushes (4.4 YPC). I'd call that a push even though Campbell has played two fewer games.

Right now, the only area in which McNabb has outplayed Campbell is in yardage, where he has about a thousand yards more (1761 to 713). He also has 130 more attempts and 80 more completions (a 57.4 percent completion rate compared to Campbell's 56.7 so area is a wash, too).

Overall records this year is a wash as well. McNabb is 4-4 after today while Campbell is actually better at 4-2. And Campbell's numbers today against Seattle? How about 15-27, 310 and 2 TD. Not too shabby given that his team isn't all that much better than the Redskins on paper.

Posted by: JimmieBise | October 31, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I moved to MD in 1959 at the age of 4. I was a lucky kid,as one of my Dad's high school players was a Skin and for the next several years I as in the locker room after every game. I grew to love the Skins, win or lose they were my passion and I never thought anything could change it. I held out even thru the incompetences of the Zorn years but I have finally reached my breaking point, we now sit players in an attempt to break their spirit as if they were a wild animal. For the last month I've watched an undersized guard get thrown around like a bad high schooler while Derrick Dockery sits inactive for whatever undisclosed reason. First there was Devin Thomas in the dog house for his summer film studies,then Haynesworth for not reporting to optional activities,and now I am being forced to watch Galloway, Rabach and our pathetic left guard because our control freak head coach likes them. Now we begin mind games with a HOF QB who we just pulled for Rex Grossman. Get rid of Shanahan before I lose all interest in this crap.

Posted by: wellscats | October 31, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Whether it was Kyle or his Dad who pulled
DM5 out with less than 2 mins to go, it was
a terrible decision. Poor management and
poor personnel decisions lost this game for
us. When one considers who our next opponent is on a Monday night after our bye week, that decision could be devastating, morale wise. The only way to make up for this fiasco is to re-sign DM5
just prior to the Philly game. Give DM5 his pride back, and his confidence that the organization believes in him.

Posted by: DeployedFan | October 31, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

McNubb should send Shanahan a thank you gift basket of Campbell's Chunky soup. The Coach just saved him the embarrassment of once again blowing chunks in the huddle--thus the "Chunky" in "Campbell's Chunky," I suppose--on national TV. We all know Donovan is at his worst when the game is on the line . . . .

Maybe the Redskins will coddle him with a financial apology for the benching like Philly was forced to do before they dumped him.


Posted by: mulletover | October 31, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

What is disturbing is that the Prez of Fubball Ops/GM or whatever the egomaniacal Shanny calls himself gave up two draft choices to secure a mechanically flawed QB that he, Shanny, can't fix and likely won't resign. Just another mortgage on the future for what appears to be a one year rental. Usually rentals of this nature are taken when a team is ready to win. As much as I love the Skins, they are nowhere near ready to win or really compete against the upper echelon teams in the NFL. Those two draft choices would hopefully have turned into productive players for years to come - unless of course Shanny the personnel guy decided to use one of the choices on someone like Maurice Clarett. How is this front office bungle that much different than the horror show that was Vinny C? Shanny the personnel guy is going to undermine Shanny the coach although that may be tough to do as his coaching to date has been pretty suspect.

Posted by: thurston57 | October 31, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

why didnt he bench the o line at halftime.all 5 of them.no run game no pass blocking what was he supposed to do??

Posted by: trumpetblue51 | October 31, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Well that's just great. It's already bad enough to lose to Detroit, now there will be bad blood between McNabb and Shanahan.

Posted by: simonleonard | October 31, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Bad decision to put grossman in cold!!!

Offensive line lost the game. They did not protect McNabb or did they enable the rushing game. Detroits defense line dominated the redskins offense line. Plain and simple. Skins line got beat!

don't blame mcnabb

Posted by: Patriot201 | October 31, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

What is this "O-line" of which you speak? It must be a very rare creature, since it seems to have been sought with such little success.

Posted by: laboo | October 31, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

First of all. The safety and linebacker blitzes that they were doing all game make rollouts useless, everytime they tried it mcnabb got killed. Honestly, this is a fact of football, if your center (Rabach) and guard (Hicks) are in the BACKFIELD ALL GAME, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT PLAY YOU CALL BECAUSE ITS NOT GOING TO WORK!!!! Thats facts, as redskins fans live with it, we got our butts kicked on the line on both sides of the ball, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE TALENT ON THIS TEAM to play well against a team with good defensive tackles. THIS IS OBVIOUS.

Second of all. THE REDSKINS ARE NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM THIS YEAR, WE ARE A .500 TEAM (9-7 if were lucky). THATS WHAT WE ARE AND THATS WHAT OUR RECORD SHOWS. SKINS NEED TO STOCK UP ON PICKS (FRAN. TAG MCNABB AND GET SOME PICKS OUT OF HIM, TRADE ALBERT WHO IS PLAYING WELL AND GETTING HIS TRADE VALUE UP. TRADE ANDRE CARTER. RESIGN Rocky McIntosh, Carlos Rodgers, Anthony Armstrong ) AND USE THESE PICKS TO START DEVELOPING FOR THE FUTURE.

We need a center, right guard, a big wide reciever and a young qb and thats just offense. (another running back but honestly if the line is on point that doesn't matter). On defense we need another nose tackle, more defensive ends for depth. Another outside linebacker and another free safety. What is that like 9 needs on this team and what 5 draft picks...yeah its going to be a few years. BUT I WILL BE A LOYAL REDSKIN FAN AND SUPPORT THEM AS THIS TEAM GOES THROUGH SOME SERIOUS CHANGES.

Posted by: culprit59 | October 31, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

don't blame mcnabb


Posted by: Patriot201

why not? because he's such a great QB who only plays like dogsh_t because of this off line? uh ok.

Ask Eagles fans if they want him back. You only had to watch how pathetic he looked v the Dallas D last yr to realize that we were plumb stupid to give up draft picks for him. I'd rather have used them for o linemen instead of an old inconsistent QB who can't make simple throws.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 31, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Redskin fan since 1965. Today was the last straw for me. I'm done.

Posted by: lsdnotlbj | October 31, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

How does Shanahan think McNabb can run the offense while on his back.

Posted by: goodeedward | October 31, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

God couldn't quarterback the Washington redskins and not get pummeled. the play calling and the offensive line suck.

Posted by: Woodstocknative | October 31, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

I estimate that the D-line of the lions was in the backfield of the skins o-line 80% of plays and within about 2-3 seconds from the snap. SO.....is Mcnabb terrible? Hard to say with 2-3 seconds before he gets body slammed by three guys on almost every snap. Let's face it, no football team wins with a bad line. What did we sack the lions guy? 1 time or something. As usuall, year after year after year the skins have NO LINES....and the last time we did, we had the best and won 3 superbowls and were deep in the playoffs almost every year. Give Shany another year to try to get some more players then judge him...he has no tools in the toolbox right now.

Posted by: jacksonalex | October 31, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone post Jason Campbell's stats from today? 15 for 27, 310 yards, 2TDs.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 31, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Bad Blood!????

I bet McNabb was thanking his lucky stars to see Grossman go out there and take a pounding!! Our whole offense is a joke! Those of you who wanna put it squarely on McNabb know zero about football!

Posted by: skins91r | October 31, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Redskin fan since 1965. Today was the last straw for me. I'm done.

Posted by: lsdnotlbj | October 31, 2010 8:17 PM

Wow. That's too bad. We're really going to miss guys like you. Have you posted here before?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 31, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Well, I was wondering if Shanahan, the supposed man with steel, would have the cojones to bench a black quarterback in DC. Right on for his race-blind approach. Now we'll see if Allen has the balls to deny a contract extension or we go back to Dannyland football management. McNabb, never a great passer but a thrower with lots of non-passing athletic ability and guts, has deteriorated skill-wise, and his age is catching up with him fast. He has been generally ineffective and erratic all year, with late and inaccurate throws galore, bailed out a few times with big throws. Is he hurt? Then why is he playing hurt when he's so ineffective. Armstrong had to wait today for the big throw downfield that was way short but should have been a TD. Lucky the defender was way out of position, and lucky they went on to score a TD. The pick, just like last weeks, was due to an extremely ill-advised decision to throw the ball poorly to a covered receiver in a crowd. With a five-point lead with 5 minutes left in the game in your own territory, that's just sheer stupidity. And that's what lost the game, after a super job on special teams and a big defensive hold. McNabb has never impressed me as being particularly savvy or even very bright, just plays on now-dropping physicality (but not a very accurate arm) and drive. We need a sharp experienced quarterback for the next few years while Shanahan gets one in next year's draft and grooms him. We'll see who he picks - he definitely will. And is the interim quarterback Grossman?

Posted by: rockyboy1 | October 31, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Ah Cstanton1 where to start with you?
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1. I don't care if you have young Dan Marino, John Elway, Peyton Manning or Brett Favre, if they keep getting hit, it affects them-ALL of them-no exceptions.
2.You obviously do not like McNabb, so how can any of us take your ramblings seriously as dispassionate, clinical observations-answer, we can't.
3.When you say "quit blaming the line"-you show supreme ignorance of football and/or you show that you are so ANGRY, you absolutely lost your mind. The offensive line is the MOST IMPORTANT GROUP ON THE FIELD! Sure, the QB may be the most important PLAYER followed by a star RB, but bad O-line play cannot be dowmplayed because YOU don't like McNabb.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 31, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

i've been on here for 10 months criticizing coach shanny. usually i get a negative response for me saying:

he never won with elway.

elway won alot be4 he was the coach; and elway won alot more in denver be4 coach, than coach won in oakland be4 john or in denver after john.

coach won in denver with a hall of fame QB, a one day hall of fame RB, a hall of fame TE, great O line, atwater, and rod smith a very good WR. after they left, he won 0-1 playoff games and was fired for dumb coaching and thinking he could win with clarett and #16 at QB.

coach' ego battle with fal at achieved what? fat al has already been paid more $ here than coach will ever get from dan and is still here chillin.

now today, MANY OF YOU now realize why coach was fired in denver; won in denver (see above) and why philly let 90 yr old Donovan go.

welcome to reality
at the end of mcnabb's tenure here, what will be achieved? nothing except time wasted not grooming a young qb (see tampa bay and detroit today that will be better in 2 years than here starting over again)

Posted by: morrisday1 | October 31, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Without an offensive line - this is what happens! Maybe Zorn wasn't as bad a coach as everyone thought! At least he was 6-2 at this point in his first year.

Snyder - spend your money on an offensive line!

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | October 31, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

"umm...do you know the definition of insanity? its expecting different results without changing anything up. Shanny was more than patient with the Donny."
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No, the idiot father-son coaching team refused to change their game plan to match the opponents' defensive scheme. THAT is insanity. Since the step-up-in-the-pocket plan was proving a disaster today, why wasn't McNabb on the perimeter where he could get some room and make plays. Because the Shanahans wouldn't adapt to teh defense just as they won't adadt to their personnel. Idiots, just plain idiots.

Posted by: pjohn2 | October 31, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

@rockyboy1-I was going to read your post, but the your 1st sentence means I'll never read anything you say. To play the race card here is over the top, but whatever floats your boat, I guess.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 31, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins played to the level of a 1-5 team. No doubt about it. But instead of rating the team . I want to rate the officials.--- A BIG FAT "F"....
1. the holding call on Williams, when it appeared the defensive end just slipped and fell.
2. the facemask which wasn't called when Torrain's head snapped a foot back.
3. the non-fasemask call when Banks was returning a kick-off in the 4th Qtr.
4. questionable call on Banks's first TD which was called back..


Posted by: rkmech11 | October 31, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

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How about the 3 blocks in the back on the 71yd return??? I can see the officials missing 1 but there were three penalties on that play none of which were called. That led to the Lions first score. Oh well HS 2020.

Posted by: skins91r | October 31, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

McNabb sucks...
I've been sayong all along. McNabb is not playing well. Neither is the Oline but if he hits Santana and Armstrong early on those long bombs they score. He is recognizing the routes too late. He puts a nice touch on the ball for Davis on 2 point conversion and we are good. Why don't you McNBabb lovers see that? Nothing to do with scheme or oline. He is too dumb to pick up a new system in over 6 months? That interception? Ridiculous. AGAIN. He's lucky that other d-back did not take it back for 6 at end of first qtr. What in there is good? It all sucks. So he makes a few plays here and there. Big freaking deal. He is supposed to make plays all the time.

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | October 31, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Where are all the people saying that last year was all Jason Campbell's fault now?

Before the season started, I predicted that the moving away from D.C. would benefit Jason because the Raiders would probably do better than the Skins this year.

Now both teams are 4-4, but the Raiders look more likely to make the playoffs with Campbell at the helm.

Posted by: supattapone | October 31, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

McNabb wasn't the issue. The O-line goofballs are the issue. Why would Sexy Rexy fare any better?

Posted by: tristesse27

Bingo.... It ain't the QB. it's the Offensive (and doesn't that word fit just perfect?) Line.

Posted by: LaureninGlenBurnie | October 31, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

We are still suffering from Vinny's lack of drafting O linemen. We have one legit lineman, Trent, the others are 2nd and 3rd string cast off's that are not filling their roles. J Brown is not 100% and Casey cannot hike and block. Bruce Allen please adopt the Steelers, Patriots and Eagles team building model. Get rid of players over 30, keep all of your draft picks and build a team from the inside out meaning linemen then playmakers. McNabb is suffering the same thing Jason C. suffered last year. You can't throw the football when you are constantly under duress. We still have the Giants to play, I hope Donavan has a good ins plan. If we keep this up Grossman will be the starter. Well at least McNabb won't get punished next Sunday, Thank GOD. I will reserve my thoughts about Shanny after 2 years or 2 more drafts. GO SKINS I will always LOVE you guys. Brandon Banks is awesome.

Posted by: DB14 | October 31, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Ok today's game was bad, but all of this 'fire shanny' stuff is insane. Even the benching of McNabb is completely meaningless in the long term.

EVERY problem on this team comes down to one thing: throwing away draft picks. Today's horrific game can be blamed on our poor O-line play....and why does our O-line suck???? Because we throw away all our draft picks, Al Davis style. [ps- pls don't start with the Jason Campbell stuff, he is still garbage and the Raiders are going nowhere.]

Until we have a few FULL drafts (ie at least 7-8 picks per draft) in a ROW, this team will never be good.

Unfortunately that will take a long time. Especially because we are still throwing away precious draft picks on washed up garbage players like Donovan McNabb and Jammal Brown. We simply have to beat it into Dan Snyder's head:

STOP WASTING DRAFT PICKS
STOP WASTING DRAFT PICKS
STOP WASTING DRAFT PICKS

Posted by: leedisantis | October 31, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

jason campbell leaves here and is 4-4.
donovan came here and is 4-4.
advantage raiders

why?
younger team has better chance of FUTURE success than older team built to win now and must win today, but cannot win it all now.

philly?
lost to washington, but still ahead of them in the standings, even after trading a washed up qb to an nfc east rival of 75+ yrs.

Posted by: morrisday1 | October 31, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is too dumb...
Mcnabb has to know that he is accountable just like everyone else. What kind of look is that he gives Kyle when he is trying to explain to him why how to fix the damn bad throws and bad decisions? Triple coverage people.. TRIPLE. He is not a god damn rookie. Bradford and Stafford look a hell of a lot better and already make better decisions and better passes than McNabb. Leader? What leader? Once again, when he needed to make a play he threw interceptions. WHat else did you expect Shanny to do? Maybe it'll stew for two weeks and McNabb will study hard and learn the damn play book. If not, who cares. He can leave right now if he wants to.

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | October 31, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

philly?
lost to washington, but still ahead of them in the standings, even after trading a washed up qb to an nfc east rival of 75+ yrs.

Posted by: morrisday1 | October 31, 2010 8:40 PM

McNabb beat Philly, in Philly. Right?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 31, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

You need to recognize this a bad team- bad offense AND bad defense- 30 points to the Lions didn't come from McNabb!!!!!

Skins were lucky to win the Dallas game- a holding call negated the game winning Dallas TD, and if Vick didn't get hurt Philly would have beat the Skins as well. Skins are really a 2-6 team if you think about it.

The Skins are the oldest team in the league and it shows, especially in the second half of games. Last in yards allowed, no running game and a tight end who is their best receiver. Moss is really a slot/3rd receiver and Galloway's tank is empty. O-line is poor, d-line is less than average and d-backs are flashy but beatable.

Shanahan's decision on McNabb was bizarre- but no less bizarre than only having 2 running backs available for the game... even high school coaches know better than that.

Skins fans- you can pretend you have a quality team, but these old guys will get even more worn down at the season goes on. If they go 8-8 it will be a miracle.....

Hope for a good draft and watch the Ravens!

Posted by: lumerm | October 31, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The major problem is Casey Rabach.

That is why we cannot run the ball.

Posted by: supattapone | October 31, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

@ morrisday1- you have been on Shanahan's case all year, I would add that blood is thicker than water, when McNabb was shown a game or so back disagreeing with Kyle Shanahan, I think both Shanahans, talking over dinner, realized that the best chance to deflect blame from Kyle, who like Josh McDaniels, Raheem Morris, Eric Mangini and Mike Singletary was given too much too soon in terms of coaching jobs, would be to start maneuvering to scapegoat McNabb.

The Post stories this week on McNabb's struggles in a new offense, were like heaven to the Shanahans-it gave them, or so they thought, a perfect window to start with the "McNabb as the problem" angle. I see from the posts that it has worked on some of the posters.

But, when Grossman was put in and promptly sacked then pressured the remaining minute or so of the game,it became quite evident that the problem was the line. Only to know-nothing fans could the obvious be ignored in favor of their "told you so(s)" about McNabb.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 31, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

A few thoughts.

Offensively it was one of the worst coached games I have ever watched. Take the play book from the kid.

Additionally. I think the O-line pays better with Doc in at left guard.
However, this offseason Shanny needs to upgrade both the center and guard positions if possible.

I don't think its time to pull the plug on McNabb just yet, considering the overall play of the O-line was/is pitiful.

Though these types of looses hurt. Im not at all surprised by the level of play form this squad.
In fact this team is playing at the level most fans expected from them this season.

The Skins as presently constituted, are a 500 club at worst, and a 650 at best.

Best Regards,
Skins fan since Dec.19Th 1965

Posted by: Defund_NPR | October 31, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

75.7 passer rating.... even below his usual 76. OK, ye sthe oline has problems but like I said before, it's the bad decisions and the schoolboy throws that drive me nuts. He can't seem to read the defences on a consistent basis/ And when he does, it's a 50-50 chance he will throw the ball well. Oline + McNabb being too dumb = 8-8 best case scebario. One of them or both have to pick it up. Hopefully the bye will help McNabb.Bum..

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | October 31, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Two "I told you so's":

1. Rex Grossman sucks.

2. Skins play to the level of their opponent.


That being said, we have some offensive line issues. The right side is getting beat like a rented mule. Folks call this McNabbs fault...really? He was sacked 5 times and hit 11 in 30 attempted passes. That's more than 50% of the time he went back to pass that he was hit.

What team has won anything worth winning with their QB getting hit like that?

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | October 31, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

the more I see of Kyle as an offensive coordinator the more credit I give Matt Schaub for Houston's success last year.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | October 31, 2010 5:56 PM

Because you know nothing. Absolutely nothing. You've come to the right place. Enjoy your yourself.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 6:01 PM
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hey Thinker..Looks like you're here too... but without substance in your postings.

To my point...

Crap play calling and putting Rex in, notwithstanding, there was no discernible game-plan adjustment by the Offensive Coordinater, at half time, for a porous Oline that had already allowed the QB to be sacked 4 times. A quicker snap count was all Kyle could come up with.
Last year's playoff Texan's cast of players and QB (tied for first this year) appear to of been successful in spite of Kyle.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | October 31, 2010 6:54 PM

Hey, onanygiven...

You're right, man. Sorry. I have calmed down. It's just inFkingFuriating for me to see this same garbage, regardless of QB, O Coordinator, D Coordinator, head coach... NONE of it matters without an O Line.

And I've got to respond to many of these posters who have no idea what the Hogs were. Before their time!

Well, no wonder they don't know football.

They thought it was the QB. I knew it wasn't. McNabb is good, but a guy can only complete passes and grow into an offense so much when he's running for his life every snap.

I've seen, WITH MY OWN F'KING EYES, the Redskins win Super Bowls with BUMS under center. Guys that would have been OUT OF THE LEAGUE on another team.

BUT. The O Line.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 31, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Just as I predicted: The Shanahan ("Shanny" as he was affectionaly called) lovers would turn on him
and McNabb would reveal the lack of "fire in the belly" an NFL QB has to have. These two guys can't change at this late date. This is the same Shanahan fired by Denver for obvious reasons and the same McNabb that Philly gave up on.

Posted by: why231 | October 31, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

McNabb starts again. However, he has to play better and he has been playing like he doesn't care. It is clear. If he plays like he did in HOuston, none of these posts go up. a 76 QB rating however tells us that there are major problems and it's not all on the O line. Trust Shanny. Look at what happened with AH. Also, McNabb responded great when benched in Philly. Let's se what he is made of....

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | October 31, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I see where Oakland crushed Seattle and Jason Campbell had a pretty good day.

Posted by: donnolo | October 31, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Defund_NPR | October 31, 2010 8:47 PM


Wow. Juan Williams is a 'Skins fan, posting on RI. Just, wow.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 31, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Blaming the ocoordinator? If the QB make sthe reads and throws he is supposed to, we score a ton more touchdowns. I hate people with blinders on. MCNABB IS NOT PLAYING WELL!!! OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE.

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | October 31, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Without an offensive line - this is what happens!....
Snyder - spend your money on an offensive line!

Posted by: SkinsFan2111
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Agreed.That's why I am a lil' worried about, the constant hollering from fans to "get a big receiver"
Really, as bad a we need a center and both guards replaced? The need for linemen was part of the reason why I wasn't too keen on trading draft picks for McNabb....or for anyone else for that matter.

If this game or the rest of this year's games show anything, it's that we're going to continue to pay for Cerrato/Snyder's refusal to use high draft picks on the unglamourous, unsexy position of offensive line and two we must ignore the tendency of both Snyder AND Shanahan to reach for quick fixes in the future.

Let's remember that Shanahan's BIG IDEA with the Broncos was to acquire the entire Cleveland Browns defensive line, legendary bust Courtney Brown included. Somehow, Snyder has in Shanahan, a like-minded partner in crime as far as trading picks (the two franchises made a bunch of trades with each other when MS was the head coach).
The only trade we should be making in the offseason is trading down our 1st rounder to acquire enough picks to square away our interior line in one draft. If we pick in the middle of the 1st round, keep the pick and take the best available guard. If it's higher or lower-trade it.

Of course, all of this type of talk is wayyy too soon. Let's see how the rest of the season plays out.

Earlier, this season, I threw out the idea of trading for G Logan Mankins of the Patriots, but I think we're too far into the season for him to make a difference and Shanahan/Snyder may give up too much to get him.

Folks, we may just have to grit our teeth and suck it up, the previous regime ignored the lines too badly for us to fix in one season and left the cupboard bare in terms of draft picks.

Patience grasshoppers, patience...

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 31, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

McNabb needs to do more for this team. He is the veteran QB leader. I don't know that benching him was the right idea but we had to take the gamble and try something different to light a fire under his butt. I am certain Shannahan thinks he lit the fire with this move. Hopefully it pays off and McNabb comes out guns blazin for the remainder of the season. Could be a genius motivational ploy or it could be something else.

Posted by: sjp879 | October 31, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

morrisday1, I agree with you, but note that Campbell is 3-2 (Gradkowski is 1-2).

The last two Raider games have been BLOWOUTS. They look like a very dangerous team in the AFC West.

In his last two games, Jason has thrown for over 500 yards, 4 TDs, O INTS. We gave him up for almost nothing.

Philly I'm not worried about. Vick is an injury waiting to happen; they have no size at receiver (like the Skins); they have a bad O-line (like the Skins); and Kolb looks fairly average. Only McCoy looks legit. Giants are for real.

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jason campbell leaves here and is 4-4.
donovan came here and is 4-4.
advantage raiders

why?
younger team has better chance of FUTURE success than older team built to win now and must win today, but cannot win it all now.

philly?
lost to washington, but still ahead of them in the standings, even after trading a washed up qb to an nfc east rival of 75+ yrs.

Posted by: morrisday1 | October 31, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: supattapone | October 31, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Taking McNabb out with two minutes left was the dumbest idea Shannahan has had yet. Did he really think Grossman was going to be able do any better with no pass protection and no running game? Grossman's fumble was essentially a given. At least McNabb was strong enough to hold onto the ball while he's getting smeared. Instead, Shannahan should have benched his silly kid. Kyle Shannahan called the worst plays possible with zero pass protection and no attempt to establish a running game. What an utterly weird thing to do! All Shannahan accomplished is to undermine the team's confidence in his own objectivity and good judgement.

Posted by: Doowadiddy | October 31, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Taking McNabb out with two minutes left was the dumbest idea Shannahan has had yet. Did he really think Grossman was going to be able do any better with no pass protection and no running game? Grossman's fumble was essentially a given. At least McNabb was strong enough to hold onto the ball while he's getting smeared. Instead, Shannahan should have benched his silly kid. Kyle Shannahan called the worst plays possible with zero pass protection and no attempt to establish a running game. What an utterly weird thing to do! All Shannahan accomplished is to undermine the team's confidence in his own objectivity and good judgement.

Posted by: Doowadiddy | October 31, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

alright mustang_johnny
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Care to enlighten us on McNabb's reads? Which ones did he miss and when?

I grant you that McNabb didn't play well, but unless YOU had blinders on, there's no way you didn't see the tremendous pressure McNabb was under.

Did...did you pay attention to the Suh? Goodness gracious, I thought I saw some big arms with Chris Zorich or Albert Haynesworth, but damn, that kid is the truth. Kyle Vandenbosch has always been a good, active, feisty, defensive end.

Did you take your blinders off long enough to see Rabach get his ass-whipped all day long....what about Hicks...Heyer?

Somehow, folks such as yourself see the rest of us who attempt to look at the grand picture of a badly run team, as defending McNabb, we're not defending him,
the truth is folks like me see the grander picture-this team was a hot mess for YEARS and Rome wasn't built in a day.

So to come on here like some of you and go IT'S MCNABB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uh, we're not going to do that.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 31, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Donavan Mcnabb was punked by the leprachaun. Every skins fan should be thankful 5 is on yor team and you bench him for REX! wheels are coming off and shanny like gibbs11 are over the hill. his son sucks and he never played so why believe?

Posted by: jdb70 | October 31, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Sure the Skins are a frustrating bunch. They went to 4 and 3 and gave everyone hope but you had to know one of their well known clunkers was coming. Be happy if they can go 50-50. They have a weak O line when everyone is healthy, no line when people are hurt. The D has allowed easy completions all year. (Wide open, turn and catch a 5 to 9 yard pass.) Look at the stats 26 (hurries, sacks and knock downs) Who could go through the progressions with that wide open rush, no running game to slow anyone down. We may have seen Grossman for the year unless McNabb gets hurt. They were not going to the playoffs in 2010, very unlikely in 2011, hope for 2012 and no more Dions or Alberts

Posted by: geoski | October 31, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Sure the Skins are a frustrating bunch. They went to 4 and 3 and gave everyone hope but you had to know one of their well known clunkers was coming. Be happy if they can go 50-50. They have a weak O line when everyone is healthy, no line when people are hurt. The D has allowed easy completions all year. (Wide open, turn and catch a 5 to 9 yard pass.) Look at the stats 26 (hurries, sacks and knock downs) Who could go through the progressions with that wide open rush, no running game to slow anyone down. We may have seen Grossman for the year unless McNabb gets hurt. They were not going to the playoffs in 2010, very unlikely in 2011, hope for 2012 and no more Dions or Alberts

Posted by: geoski | October 31, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I agree mcnabb isn't being overly productive but there is no way you bench him and bring grossman in he is a backup on 3 NFL for a reason. Shanahan is now desperate for offense instead of benching a QB who O Line can't block middle a gap pressure or guard and center is so nervous of a rookie he kept stepping on QB foot. Kyle Shanahan your dad needs to soul search whether you are the answer for a COACH who a dictator cause your are just as much the reason for this dismal offense it's yours and your dad should hold you responsible. Cause thunder Dan will hold him responsible. Hell zorn was 6-2 first 8 games granted team is better structured now but losing is losing

Posted by: cube757 | October 31, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I agree mcnabb isn't being overly productive but there is no way you bench him and bring grossman in he is a backup on 3 NFL for a reason. Shanahan is now desperate for offense instead of benching a QB who O Line can't block middle a gap pressure or guard and center is so nervous of a rookie he kept stepping on QB foot. Kyle Shanahan your dad needs to soul search whether you are the answer for a COACH who a dictator cause your are just as much the reason for this dismal offense it's yours and your dad should hold you responsible. Cause thunder Dan will hold him responsible. Hell zorn was 6-2 first 8 games granted team is better structured now but losing is losing

Posted by: cube757 | October 31, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

You're right, man. Sorry. I have calmed down. It's just inFkingFuriating for me to see this same garbage, regardless of QB, O Coordinator, D Coordinator, head coach... NONE of it matters without an O Line.

And I've got to respond to many of these posters who have no idea what the Hogs were. Before their time!

Well, no wonder they don't know football.

They thought it was the QB. I knew it wasn't. McNabb is good, but a guy can only complete passes and grow into an offense so much when he's running for his life every snap.

I've seen, WITH MY OWN F'KING EYES, the Redskins win Super Bowls with BUMS under center. Guys that would have been OUT OF THE LEAGUE on another team.

BUT. The O Line.

Posted by: Thinker_
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Co-sign....like a mutha...
I'm like you, what game did my fellow posters watch?!?!?
The dude was a magician at times out there spinning out of sacks, sidestepping blitzers, tearing out of grasps, and scrambling. In fact, McNabb has some of the most impressive pocket awareness I've EVER seen...EVER.
Whereas Jason Campbell would move into sacks, McNabb moves out of them-he's as slippery as the truth in politics behind a rotten interior line.
Again, I co-sign because it is maddening to come on here and read posts from fans who almost totally discount the offensive line play. I don't know what these people expect, even Donovan McNabb can get "happy feet" if hit too much.

BTW-that holding call on T.Williams was some nonsense, Vandenbosch lost his footing coming around the end.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 31, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

I am not going to see here and slam McNabb because he keep us in this game with his feet and hands. He was knocked down on almost every play and hell over the past 10 years we have not had good QB who was even half as good as McNabb.

I for one think he is doing well considering this is a new system, we have no O-line, and we have no running game. We spend more time on the plays he doesn't make then the MANY plays he does make. Hell Manning then get blame for the interception he throw in the biggest game at the Super Bowl which seal the win, and Farve and Brady get free passes we they don't make plays either, but hell we dissect every negative (not positive) play of our QB.

Will the real Skins fans stand up!! I am not even get into the play calling but hey lets blame Mcnabb for that too oh yeah lets blame Mcnabb for the past 15 years of either sorry football team or very average football team. Mcnabb can be around for the next 3 years to train the next QB how to be a professional on and off the field. Everybody wants young well we have went that route how many times and all of them combine can't even come close to what Mcnabb has done.

Posted by: jonesh4 | October 31, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is not the Q he was, because he rarely runs anymore. He did once in this game, and the result was 36 yards. He was so dangerous in the salad years because you had to 'contain' him, which meant he'd make you pay if you threw the house at him and he blew past your line. As a Thai boxer forced to fight WBF style without his legs, he is now a pure pocket passer. That halves his effectiveness and allows rushers to go full bore, which means less time to read the coverage and make plays. It doesn't help that he is behind a sub-par o-line throwing to a poor receiving corps with his best mid-threat, Cooley, still obviously suffering from the effects of his concussion.

Donovan has always been a time-buyer for Shanahan: necessary if this team was going to have a shot at respectability while Shanahan attempts to forge a contender. On the down side, we get him for only a few seasons, maybe only this one if he continues to be pulled like today. He doesn't take well to criticism, still considering himself an elite quarterback and even getting mad at Philly's GM when he drafted a QB a few years ago. He could very easily leave, which would make him a one-year rental for two high draft picks. That would be like trading 1 man year for 20. You are then faced with the prospect of trading MORE draft picks to maybe move up and get 'your guy'. If that choice turns out like Campbell, then it could be one man year for 40 and even future lost draft picks/ man years as you try to get the 'next' guy, etc. and so forth. Losing man years is how you end up with old washed-up players starting (Rabach, Portis, Galloway, Daniels) and no depth of any consequence (see every position).

I say you go all in with McNabb for a couple more years, let him fight through his difficulties (let's face it, we're not Super Bowl caliber anyway). In the meantime, we rebuild through the draft and sign YOUNG players through free agency. In the meantime, stop with the arrogance, Shanahan, like keeping Haynesworth out (lost games); like sitting Devin Thomas and calling him out publicly so that he has no trade value when we let him go (more lost man-years), and pulling McNabb, increasing the chance that he moves on.

Posted by: SammyT1 | October 31, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

ARm chair wrote: "Care to enlighten us on McNabb's reads? Which ones did he miss and when?"

U kiddin? The throws to Moss and Armstrong were late (Armstrong had to stop and paid the price, Moss was open by 5 yards and the ball never got to him). At the end of the game, QB threw a short pass instead of going for the whole enchilada to wide open Galloway. His mechanics are all wrong. His reads are wrong most of the time. And when he reads it right, he throws to the ankles or a laser high pass to Davis for 2 pt conversion. Quit defending him. We all agree the oline sucks. But why can;t you agree that McNabb could play better? That's what I mean by blinders. This blind faith put on a guy that's only been with the skins for 8 games. Many other things went wrong in the game. True. But we are talling about the QB's play here and why he was benched. How many starting QB's do you know keep getting second chances witha 76 QB rating? Are you kidding me? 76!!!!!! answer this, why do you think so highly of McNabb? What has he done in DC to make you defend him so?

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | October 31, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan CANNOT win with QBs NOT named John Elway... end of story.

Posted by: joek443 | October 31, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Vindication for Jason Campbell!!!

If you put Favre, Brady, Sanchez or any quality qb (and yes McNabb is) behind that OL and you get the same results.

Just tell the fans that we’re rebuilding and they will understand.

Sprinkling powdered sugar on that pile of xxxx and they still stink!!!

Posted by: jdking1952 | October 31, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Nuff about McNabb.Venting is over. I want to see who the real leaders of this team are. You beat the girsl, eagles, and packers and you knopw you 're doing something right and you have what it takes. When u lose to the lions and the rams, as improved as they are, you also prove that your team needs leaders. Defence, offence, and special teams. I don't want to hear about Shanny. He is a proven winner and leader. Who else can make that claim for the skins????? Who?

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | October 31, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

"We spend more time on the plays he doesn't make then the MANY plays he does make. "
"... but hell we dissect every negative (not positive) play of our QB."

posted by jonesh4
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Again, co-sign. I don't know what it is about Donovan McNabb that causes so many fans/media to fault-find him.

I get that he's a QB, but this is ridiculous.

I don't think it's RACIAL prejudice, but it's a prejudice there with this player, a willingness on the part of some fans to ONLY see what McNabb does wrong.

Read the posts from CSTANTON1 for example, and you'll see the prejudice there, no matter what happened during the game, he manages to fault McNabb, simply astonishing.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 31, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

GW Bush coaches Redskins....

Posted by: 44fx2901 | October 31, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I still maintain that Brandon Banks gives the team a better chance to win in the two minute drill than Rex Grossman. For that matter, Orakpo is a superior QB talent. Again, as a QB, Grossman comes up short of Shuler.

Posted by: zickzack | October 31, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mustang, I'm watching the Steelers/Saints as I post and I just saw Roethlisberger make a throw right at the feet of the intended receiver. Before that Brees just threw into double coverage on a seam route, that happens.

How do you know what McNabb's mechanics should be?
Unless you are new to the planet, when NFL QBs get hit and/or pressured enough, they start to look raggedy I DON'T CARE WHO IS THE QB!

Quit defending him, huh?
No.

You seem so pressed to see what he did wrong, did you notice how he's been avoiding sacks and pressure the whole year?
Again, you want to acknowledge, but discount the play of the line- YOU CANNOT DO THAT!!! IT'S TOO IMPORTANT!!!

Another thing that young, green or impatient fans wish to do is ignore,downplay or discount how long it takes a player to get a new offense down. It takes longer than eight games, that's for sure. That's why, back in the days, Jay, Schroeder, Mark Rypien and Stan Humphries modeled the team sweaters for a few years while they learned the offense.
McNabb is older, but still Brett Favre is still learning the Viking offense, when he played for the Jets-Favre would point out that he was learning that offense as well.

Bottom line, it takes even accomplished NFL QBs more than a few games to learn a new offense, not to mention everything else.

So to me, fans such as yourself are being absolutely unreasonable in your expectations, that's why I'm not as fired up as you, I've lived long enough and played enough and watched enough football to know it isn't as easy as you make it.

I DO agree McNabb COULD play better, but he will not-as long as he's being chased around on nearly every pass play the entire year-preseason included.

Frankly, I think McNabb has a left knee injury as a result of the Ravens preseason game gang tackle that has not healed and he's being "classy" by not mentioning it.

Another thing, the same way you fault McNabb means that you see Ryan Torain the same way right? Because, he also had an unimpressive game, so are you ready to give up on him as well?

Or are you willing to acknowledge that the O-line got its ass kicked today?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 31, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Look, there are only two possibilities:

1. Both Jason Campbell and Donovan McNabb are inept QBs, but somehow working in Oakland and Philadelphia make them excellent QBs in those cities.

2. the Redskins are an inept organization.

I know which possibility seems more likely to me.

Posted by: supattapone | October 31, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Skins fans,

Think about it. The coach didn't come close to winning anything after Elway left. Maybe #92 isn't the problem. Anyway you look at it the decision wasn't good. The coach is overrated, you can't make a decision like that in the situation.

Posted by: fwhite | October 31, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

bench the o-line not the qb who doesnt have enough time to blink let alone look for an open receiver...

Posted by: dkehrli1 | October 31, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

bench the o-line not the qb who doesnt have enough time to blink let alone look for an open receiver...

Posted by: dkehrli1 | October 31, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

bench the o-line not the qb who doesnt have enough time to blink let alone look for an open receiver...

Posted by: dkehrli1 | October 31, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

What has he done in DC to make you defend him so?

posted by Mustang_johnny
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It seems as though you're trying to make some a thinly veiled racial inference. That somehow because he's black, that may be the reason I'm "defending him so".

If that's the case you're wrong, I'm defending him so, because I watched enough football to have seen this story play out before. It's called PERSPECTIVE.

To wit,

QB comes to new team with new offense and modest receivers and a rotten offensive line.
Fans heap unreasonable expectations on said new QB
Fans lose perspective of their unreasonable expectations(this team was 4-12 last year, and has been a 20 year disappointment) and start fault-finding and turning on the new QB.

This is a common story in the NFL. The QB's name could be McNabb...or Ramsey....or Campbell....or Frerotte...or Favre.

Again, perspective my friend.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 31, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

These forums are always full of people that know very little about football. McNabb sucks........Campbell sucks is all you can say beacause of your ignorance of the game. He was sacked 7 times and hurried numerous times. We had no running game but it is McNabb's fault. Ignorance is bliss. You watch the highlights and see Peyton and Tom Bradys throw tds but you fail to notice that they have superior offensive lines and very good receivers. McNabb has one pro caliber offensive line and two receivers. I don't care if we had Peyton Manning as QB with the talent we have on the offensive line and at wide receiver we would get the same result. When was the last time Manning or Brady were sacked 7 times better yet 5 times. And if they were sacked that many times I bet they didn't win. The game of football is won and lost in the trenches(Offensive and defensive line for you fans with no football knowledge). Simple as that!

Posted by: RealOne1 | October 31, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Someone wrote:
"McNabb beat Philly, in Philly. Right?"
******************************************
Right, but ...
What place is Philly in today?
Second

What place is McFatt's team in?
3rd

Advantage Philly

Posted by: morrisday1 | October 31, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I still maintain that Brandon Banks gives the team a better chance to win in the two minute drill than Rex Grossman. For that matter, Orakpo is a superior QB talent. Again, as a QB, Grossman comes up short of Shuler.

Posted by: zickzack
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Hey Zick- Brandon Banks is starting to fall into that special category for me of guys that I always think will score on a PR/KR. Devin Hester, Mel Gray, Vai Sickhema, Rick Upchurch,Dante Hall and gasp, Deion Sanders are the only other ones on that list.
This kid is SPECIAL returning kicks, sick with it.
As long as we have BB returning kicks and L.Alexander covering them, our special teams will keep us in games all year long.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 31, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I saw old T-Rex cozying up to Kyle Shanahan last week on the sidelines. Predicted this would happen soon. McNabb needs to man-up and take charge of the team, then Mike and Kyle Shenanigan wont dare pull this stuff again.

Posted by: jodiemoon | October 31, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Kyle Shanahan doesn't seem well-prepared or sufficiently adjusting to the game situation. It was obvious that the Lions were coming after McNabb. The O-line said the rush wasn't how they had prepared for it. Why isn't there prep for how the other team MIGHT come after you, not just what they've done in the past, and then adjustment during the game? The Shanahan approach seems static, not dynamic. The way to counter the heavy rush is with running back and tight end screens, quick patterns to hot-read receivers, a reverse here and there. And draws. I was't able to watch the whole game, but it seemed that the play-calling stuck to slow-developing standard passing plays. WTF?

Posted by: rockyboy1 | October 31, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Which Shanahan lacks confidence in McNabb? I suspect this was the result of the Offensive Coordinator also being the Head Coach's son. Family relationships are complicated and makes other professional relationships in an organization more difficult. Grossman came with Kyle from Houston.

Posted by: Tyler20 | October 31, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

@RealOne1
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Agreed. The Patriots are so stacked on the O-line, they have an excellent guard in L.Mankins cooling his heels in a contract squabble and haven't missed a beat.

We could use some interior linemen badly, Look at the interior lines of these colleges when you get a chance and tell me what you think.
Notre Dame
Wisconsin
TCU
Alabama
Oregon
Michigan
Boise State
Utah
Pitt
North Carolina
Florida
Oklahoma
Texas
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(Hey, I don't call myself the ArmchairGM for nothing :-)

All of these colleges have quality interior linemen and some of them notably, Boise State, Utah, Michigan and Florida are running spread/read options that use the lighter more agile linemen that Shanahan prefers.

I'm watching all of these teams' lines, shortly I'll let ya'll know who's the best prospect at what interior position(s).

I have to tell ya' though, If I had a say so, I would be looking at Alabama linebacker Donta' Hightower with one of our picks, maybe the 1st one.

Or if we just had to have a WR Georgia's A.J. Green or the Tarheels suspended WR Greg Little not Julio Jones of Alabama would be my choice.

Too soon, much too soon I know and "opinions are just like...we all have one...". but I'm just sayin'...

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 31, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I get it, Shanny pissed 'cause Dmac missed some open guys---his last series only needed 3 pts to tie it and here he was gunning way down field. Not good but it was a bush league move to yank him--rex can't elude tacklers and that lion d front (gotta give them props--no idea how they only won 1 game coming in)....yea Dmac musta dissed Kyle is all i can figure and pissed the shanahans off. But we are what we are--4--4......O-line horrible and CBs can't cove elite WRs. But O-line got abused today.....simply and utterly abused......gonna be a while before its any good

Posted by: tabtool | October 31, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

The way to counter the heavy rush is with running back and tight end screens, quick patterns to hot-read receivers, a reverse here and there. And draws. I was't able to watch the whole game, but it seemed that the play-calling stuck to slow-developing standard passing plays. WTF?

posted by Tyler20
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O...M...G...! I have been whining about the lack of end-arounds and reverses all year, particularly since this is zone-blocking team-it would be natural for wide receiver to run an end-around against the flow, IMO. Now, that I think about it, I rarely see reverses and end-arounds run by any team college or pro.
A tight-end screen that involves Fred Davis would be a good idea. C.Cooley runs so poorly these days, he can barely get open and you can just forget about R.A.C. yards with C.Cooley.
The zone scheme doesn't allow for many draw plays-so why not use a different blocking scheme and run a few, if only to break tendencies? The way we used to run and block the Counter-Trey would seem to make it a natural play to update and put into a zone-blocking scheme. Instead of sealing the backside straight-up and letting the G and T come around in a traditional Counter-T., We run what looks like a zone play, with everyone flowing a certain way THEN have either a T or G or both come around, shoot it may even be easier for them to get from point A to B because everyone is flowing to where they WERE while they come around. Another variation could be to run this play and then have one of the two pulling linemen go into one hole/gap and the second one into another hole/gap, creating cut-back options that way.
Look, I'm just kicking around crazy ideas so forgive me.
Agree with your post, though.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 31, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable! Shanahan benching Mcnabb for Grossman is too stupid to even begin to argue it. Wtih 2 minutes left and the guy hasn't played all season. You need to stick with Mcnabb through thick and thin this season!

Posted by: bobilly2 | October 31, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Armchair,

where do you get racial whatever from? Interesting take on my question. I asked why you were defending him so hard.

I am not discounting the oline. But you are discounting McNabb missing wide open receivers, making wrong reads and throwing late or missing an open receiver or throwing too damn hard and high when he is 7 yards away from the TE. Everyone knows you have to throw lower to a TE.

Furthermore, my "inpatience" doe snot stem from this game alone but but from all year long. We have been winning in spite of No. 5. So what if he avoids sacks and makes the casual play here and there? That is what he was brought here to do and more. I say again, missing receivers or reading the play too late (Armstrong, Moss) is a real problem he is having adjusting to the new scheme. However, a throw is a throw regardless of the system you play in. I agree he seems injured. Might be a hamstring which would explain underthroing guys all the time as he cannot push off. Regardless. As for Torain, he is young and he has been playing awesome on a consistent basis. Today he got injured and the oline did not help. I keep repeating myself, McNabb has had only 1/8 decent games. Can't believe people keep defending him. Comparing Brees and Brady to McNabb is not fair to McNabb. He is not nearly as good as them. Ask any fan. WHo would you rather have on your team???????

Stop taking it so personally Armchair. You acknowledged he could play better but then defend him in the same breath. Either he is playing well or he is not. Actually, HE acknowledges he is not playing well. At least he is honest. Shanny obviously is losing patience with him and McNabb will have to step it up. You have to respect what he sees. Last time I checked, you have to respect what Kyle is doing also youth or not. Blaming Kyle is stupid. Accusing Shannahan is stupid also. The team is heading in the right direction but it will take time. They plays are there. You see them develop. Then for whatever reason, the team misfires (bad throws, penalties etc). Once again, enough on McNabb for me. We will agree to disagree.

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | October 31, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

@haunches: SUPER post!

Posted by: dcjazzman | November 1, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

good post pjohn!

Posted by: dcjazzman | November 1, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

you go 72redskins! my man!!!

Posted by: dcjazzman | November 1, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Personally, please
mustang_johnny

~~
You aren't paying attention to the fact that Reed Doughty had a block in the back taking away a touchdown

Or that the defense gave up four touchdown passes, three to Calvin Johnson

Or that the defense allowed a touchdown
on fourth and one.

Or that young receiver Anthony Armstrong did fight for that intercepted pass.

Or that instead of calling a bunch of passes K.S. should have been calling runs.


Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 1, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

End of my respect for you, Mr Sunburn!

Posted by: fr3dmars | October 31, 2010 6:31 PM

YEP.

Dear Tanahan,

First, you hired your own son, because there weren't any other OCs available in the world and that relationship would make things much easier for the team.

Redskin fans said, "OK, Whatever."

Then, Jason Campbell was your guy. Then McNabb came in.


Redskin fans said, "OK, Whatever."

Then, you cut Rock Cartwright and Ladell Betts... and you cut Marko Mitchell because he "couldn't learn the offense".


Redskin fans said, "REALLY? OK, Whatever."

Then, you started a shell game with Haynesworth and kept him on the sideline as we lost or nearly lost games, because he didn't know the Defense.

Redskin fans said, "REALLY? Because we've SEEN him play and he's really good! Ok, Whatever."

Then, you cut Devin Thomas because you said he, too, "could not learn the offense" or was a "bad fit" or some BS.

Redskin fans called "BS! But, OK, Whatever, but cut it out... I mean, you got Joey GoAway out there, for Christ's sake! This sounds like a F'king Lie, Shanatan, so cut it out, man! We know Devin Thomas can play. You're full of it. Stop lying at least, man."

Then, you benched McNabb on the last possession of a winnable game for Wrecks Nessman and said the reason was that "Grossman gave us the best chance to win, because he knows the terminology," inferring that McNabb, too, is too stupid to learn this offense.

Redskin fans say, "Bull F'king Sh!t, Dude. You are a Liar and an Idiot. Take your non-coaching son and head back to Denver where they appreciate your two super bowl rings, because, around here, Tannny, they don't mean squat.

We've seen McNabb for years. Faced him twice a year for a decade and watched him in the playoffs. He sometimes has bad games or bad stretches in games, but he's always fighting. We always respected him.

Now, you, on the other hand, always seemed like an ego maniac from afar. Now, close up, we know you are. Let me iterate for you what we thought of you as Redskin fans over the years... An easy road victory. And even when we SUCKED, we knew we had a chance against your sorry teams.

You are very overrated, especially in your own mind. We should have ripped the contract up when you hired your own son, Shanatan.

WTF were you thinking?!

I'd let McNabb coach this team over you. You're a Nepotist and a fraud. You're a Liar and not a very good one. And, as of today, you're demonstrably an idiot."


And it goes something about like that.

F'king SUCKS!

This tan, lying buffoon and his coddled son. I'd take McHurt over the pair of them every time.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 1, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Continued,
~~~
Wait, a sec YOU'RE ON HERE BLAMING MCNABB, but I can't blame Kyle Shanahan??????????????????????????????????????????
Ammmmaazing! Your logic is Ammmaaazing!

I can defend whoever I damn well please. Particularly when I'm right.

As I said before, my PERSPECTIVE is why I, your words,not mine DEFEND McNabb. You are so eager to fault McNabb you aren't thinking as clearheaded as I believe you can.

It matters that Doughty blocked in the back. Twice ( He did again the second TD, but wasn't caught)

It matters that we couldn't run the ball.

It matters that McNabb is new to this team/offense/players. You,like many others mustang_j, aren't being realistic in how long it takes to grasp a new offense bone deep. Don't worry, you appear to have company in this regard with the Shanahans.

It matters that Mike and Kyle Shanahan are father and son-blood is thicker than water and before Shanahan the Elder allows HIS son, Shanahan the Younger to be made into the scapegoat, the BOTH of them will throw McNabb under the bus, as they are doing.

It matters that Shanahan the Younger is about 4 years YOUNGER than McNabb! McNabb has forgotten more football than this kid knows. An example, from what the announcers were saying,the READS you keep talking about are different. Andy Reid's west coast offense is more a true west coast offense(short passes) and Mike Shanahan's WCO appears to be have Coryell concepts(bombs off of play-action) with it.
I just love how fans such as yourself, believe it's easy to just up and start writing with your left hand when you've been right-handed all your life.

Stupid, you know what's stupid, being asked as an accomplished Pro QB to change your stance because some goofy-ass overindulged coach's kid that never played the game AND is too young to be gifted a Co-ordinator's job, tells you to.

That's why I know there are Football Gods because, McNabb didn't deserve to be benched, so the Football Gods made sure EVERYONE saw who the real culprits were on the next play-the O-line.

It also matters that your boys, the Shanahans, keep switching the damn linemen. Everyone knows that as a group, the offensive line needs to grow together by working together-it's a dumb idea to keep substituting them sometimes from drive to drive like they are D-linemen.
~~~
One of things I'm struck by is how so many QBs do exactly what McNabb does but without the withering criticism.

I watched Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Phillip Rivers,Drew Brees and Kerry Collins skip passes to receivers, overthrow them, miss open receivers and the like. Somehow, when McNabb does it, it's unforgivable.

Why is every flaw of this particular QB so overscrutinized?

So you tell me,
Is it a case of a double standard....or...
a racial double standard?

Maybe Donovan McNabb had a point when he said "African-American QBs are judged differently." Hmmmmmm

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 1, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

exactly...

Let's teach McNabb how to stand now.

Unbelievable. Fire up the Coaching Carousel...

"NEXT!!"

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 1, 2010 1:01 AM | Report abuse

GTH rockyboy!

Posted by: dcjazzman | November 1, 2010 1:03 AM | Report abuse

"I am not discounting the oline. But you are discounting McNabb missing wide open receivers, making wrong reads and throwing late or missing an open receiver or throwing too damn hard and high when he is 7 yards away from the TE. Everyone knows you have to throw lower to a TE."
~~~
Dammit Mustang-you're going to have to accept that .....
DONOVAN MCNABB IS LEARNING A NEW OFFENSE!!!!!!!
I mean really, what part of that do you not understand????
Somehow, you're under the very wrong impression that because he worked with it part of this offseason, the pre-season and 8 games of the regular season that....THERE! HE SHOULD KNOW IT BY NOW!

It takes more than one offseason and 8 games to fully "get" a new offense, to argue otherwise is naive.

You are holding McNabb to an impossible standard-Learn a brand new offense... that requires looking deep first, THEN looking looking at secondary reads(Reid's WCO is the reverse), WHILE adjusting to new receivers AND a porous, untalented, undermanned offensive line....and do it quickly, lest your LEGIONS of naysayers,pessimists and doubters go "See!Told you so!" everytime you make a bad throw.
You don't have to be Billy Joel to start singing about PRESSURE.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 1, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

thinker. armchair. rachel. dayum! yawl be knocking mfs out wit them comments!

Posted by: dcjazzman | November 1, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

McNabb sucks because he can't win a game without an O line or running game? Huh.

His knack for periodic dumb mistakes aside -- and we knew that was going to be part of the deal -- he's the best QB we've had on this team since Theismann. How is that "sucks"? Who else should be playing QB for the Skins right now, aside from him?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 31, 2010 5:52 PM
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Nate, the exact same things were true for Jason Campbell the last 8 games last year. But he was made the scapegoat and run out of town.

Rabach was terrible last year (and the year before), and he's getting older, not better. Maybe we could have used that 2010 2nd rounder to pick a center? That's the move I favored at the time.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 1, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

We've seen McNabb for years. Faced him twice a year for a decade and watched him in the playoffs. He sometimes has bad games or bad stretches in games, but he's always fighting. We always respected him.

Posted by Thinker
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You know Thinker, man do I wish I had written that first. Damn!!!!

I'm jealous of the fact that you made that point first!!
As Redskins fans we have seen what this man can do....painfully...fustratingly...over the years, so don't come at us with this nonsense about terminology.
I STILL am not used to McNabb wearing burgundy and gold because of how much this guy was a pain in our asses.
There are reasons that the Eagles have a winning record against the Skins- we were not that good and McNabb and Westbrook.
~~
You are absolutely spot on, as Skins' fans we HAVE seen McNabb's rough stretches, somehow they never lasted long enough for us to have a winning divisional record against the Eagles during McNabb's tenure.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 1, 2010 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Next time Rabach gets jammed into the backfield, I'd like to be able to run on the field with a baseball bat and beat him into retirement.

Because I love my team.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 1, 2010 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Rabach was terrible last year (and the year before), and he's getting older, not better. Maybe we could have used that 2010 2nd rounder to pick a center? That's the move I favored at the time.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya
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Agree, on all points. If you're interested look at Boise State's interior linemen and Notre Dame's linemen, particularly #59.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 1, 2010 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is walking around like he invented the Super Bowl ring. His rings don't mean sh!t around here.

Gibbs 2 trips to the playoffs with this disastrous team are more impressive than taking John F'king Elway to a Super Bowl.

Sorry.

People were worried Gibbs would tarnish his image! He should be given a second bust for that last act! Look at this team before and after! Total Fking Disaster.

Shanahan is NUTZ to bench McNabb. And he needs to tell his nerd ass son to let McNabb stand however the F he wants to.

I'd have fired Kyle as soon as "Rex" came outta his mouth!

"Boy, are you outta your Fking mind?"

"You're fired for even THINKING about bringing that piece of garbage with you!"

But, that's why nepotism is not good. Shanny took it. Now, we have problems.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 1, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

@dcjazzman
~~
Thanks, Jazzy man, 'preciate it.
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This game was entertaining, but if our D could have held on one of those TD drives, all of us are probably here discussing being 5-3. Now, that sucks, but then I remember that the Cowboys, the perennial SB favorite are 1-6 and a smile of pure glee washes over my face. I'm smiling as I type this.

I think I'm going to go the Dallas Morning News website and troll, I just know their front-running fans are on suicide watch, ...giggles.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 1, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

"I'd have fired Kyle as soon as "Rex" came outta his mouth!"
posted by Thinker_

LMBO!
~
"But, that's why nepotism is not good. Shanny took it. Now, we have problems."
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So true, I actually feel sorry for Dan Snyder this time ( did I just write that?) He was trying to do the right thing and it appears he erred in giving Shanahan the Elder too much power.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 1, 2010 1:39 AM | Report abuse

So true, I actually feel sorry for Dan Snyder this time ( did I just write that?) He was trying to do the right thing and it appears he erred in giving Shanahan the Elder too much power.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 1, 2010 1:39 AM |

Me too, actually. Damned if he do, damned if he dont. Maybe he's just damned, as many suggest.

Hey, at least Banks looks like a beast. It's hard for everyone, right now. The O Line is a disaster, so, tempers are high, rash decisions are being made, feelings are being hurt...

It's actually a case where you might want to stay a little more "medium."

OH, God. Did I just say that?

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 1, 2010 1:57 AM | Report abuse

It's actually a case where you might want to stay a little more "medium."

OH, God. Did I just say that?

Posted by: Thinker
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Stay medium...Heh-heh...and oh yeah a few more returns like that and Banks is a shoo-in for the Pro-Bowl.
I would swear the kid looks like he's going to break every one.
I just have to guard against coming to EXPECT that-he's still just a rookie, teams will start to kick away from him and he's a squirt.

B.Banks is so little he's the only player in the NFL whose jersey numbers make him look he plays for Ohio State.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 1, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

it start always with the offensives line and the defensive line and for some reason over the last three years the team offensive line just can't play well at all and the coaches are just over coaching and playing to many games with the d- line. nobody down to rush the passer, I,m sorry but that just plain dumb. you can't get no push. if there is a world next year( and there won't be) draft and sign only offensive line men, for the one here just don,t have it for there no heart in them.

Posted by: lostdogrwd1011 | November 1, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

We spend time around here arguing about how to build a successful team. There's a new series on doing just that -- Begins by comparing the Steelers and the Saints. Link below. First a sample:

"The Steelers are a home-grown team. Nineteen of the 22 offensive and defensive starters were acquired via the draft or college free agency. In comparison, the Saints have relied more on externally acquired players. Just 12 of their offensive and defensive starters are "home grown."

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-cap/2010/utc-tale-tape-pit-no

Posted by: Samson151 | November 1, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

"WTF were you thinking?!
I'd let McNabb coach this team over you. You're a Nepotist and a fraud. You're a Liar and not a very good one. And, as of today, you're demonstrably an idiot."
And it goes something about like that.
F'king SUCKS!
This tan, lying buffoon and his coddled son. I'd take McHurt over the pair of them every time.Posted by: Thinker_"

That's some rant.

Any more and you'll have to change your handle to 'Feeler_"

Posted by: Samson151 | November 1, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Everyone, and I mean everyone, is now just reacting to the REAL mistake. It was made months ago - trading two high picks for a below average aging QB.

Posted by: kone | November 1, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I'll stick by my pregame prediction. This team has a shot at 7-9 maybe 8-8. They just don't have enough horsepower. When that occurs, in close losses, every decision is questioned. "IF" they had an O-line, they would have abused the Detroit secondary and this thing would not have came down to the next to last series.

Prediction - I figured last week if the skins beat the bears they would have a shot at 7 or 8 wins. If they lost I was thinking a 5 win team. This week, if they beat the lions, they will make the playoffs..BUT.. Say what you want lions 34 skins 17. I hope I'm wrong. If they lose to Detroit there will be much talk about how they overlooked the lions but that isn't really the case, they just aren't that good yet. If skins win, I'll be surprised and will have to proclaim they have turned the corner and will be in the playoffs. But like I said this will be a loss and I'll hunker down for another yawn down the stretch.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | November 1, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

People who say McNabb sucks are foolish. Compared to Rex Grossman, he is all world. Rex Grossman does suck. McNabb is not having a good season, but if we had Grossman or Campbell this year, we would be 1-7 vs 4-4.

It made no sense to bench McNabb, because the backup is horrible. If we had a decent backup, it would not have been the worst decision, because the interception into triple coverage on our end of the field is giving the game away.

What we really need is a o-line, who were horrible. They were the ones that lost this game. We need four more starters. Our center is the worst center in the league and the left guard should not be playing.

Posted by: sruppert | November 1, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

haunches,
You took the words right out of my mouth.
What an arrogant thing to do. Was he watching the same game? Did he think that Rex Grossman was going to do a better job than Mcnabb after sitting all game?
That was one of the worst coaching decisions I've ever seen. I know the skins have been through a lot when it comes to the revolving door of coaches, but after that I would seriously consider looking elsewhere because arrogance is the worst trait a coach can have. ``

How is it that these coaches get paid so much money?

Posted by: crossingubadly | November 1, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Ugh, just looked at remaining schedule. To get an extra 3 wins. I'm thinking last game against Giants because they'll be laying down. Upcoming philly game since I don't think their interior D will dominate us completely. Believe it or not but their next best shots come from Minn or Dall due to them imploding. I think they can forget about @tenn, @ny, tampa, @jack. It's bad when the only thing we look forward to is offseason............. blah.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | November 1, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Stupid, stupid decision to bench McNab. I've lost a lot of respect for Shanahan

Posted by: gburggal | November 1, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

"I thought Rex gave us the best chance to win." If that is what Coach Shanahan thought, then I understand why Denver's owner got rid of him. You pay your starting quarterback millions just for that scenario. You would never see quarterbacks Manning, Brees, Rivers, Brady even Sanchez benched in that situation.

Shanahan needs to commit to fixing the glaring problem of his offensive line first before benching his quarterback.

All of this time I thought he (Shanahan) new what he was doing...WRONG! This snafou sheds a whole different light on the Haynesworth situation huh? What a lunkhead.

Posted by: carterm1 | November 1, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Ack! This is soooo 2009.

Why did Zorn bench McNabb anyway?

Posted by: heyjoe728 | November 1, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

McNabb sucked
The benching sucked
The explanation sucked
The play-calling sucked
The defense sucked even more
and the offensive line sucked even more than that

Posted by: keedrow | November 1, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

McNabb sucked
The benching sucked
The explanation sucked
The play-calling sucked
The defense sucked even more
and the offensive line sucked even more than that

"Now that's hilarious but true!" LOL!!!!

Posted by: carterm1 | November 1, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

There was a stat posted sometime during the game about McNabb having 40+ pass completions. Thats what you want when your down 6 with under 2:00 to play. This coach just showed us why he was let go in Denver. DANNY has a CURSE and I have to live with it! THIS SUCKS!

Posted by: coolinfrontin | November 1, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan must have a concussion. he should be forced to sit-out from coaching the rest of the season.

Posted by: AlmostHeaven | November 1, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Ha,

Shanahan has a plan. Benching McNabb at that time was a message to him and the rest of the team. Perform or else. Where are the leaders in this team? Defence can only do so much with the awful field position. 2 takeawyas in red zone. A returned punt for a TD and we still lost. Rabach should be fired on the spot as an example to be made. Problem is, who do you substitute the bum with? McNabb has a choice, learn the playbook, play better or leave town.

Armchair, you still talking about race? Why? Get over it man. You keep bringing this up. My beef is with his play. There. Is it clear for you now?

Brees, Favre, Brady have championships. McNabb doesn't. They ARE allowed to make mistakes because they have proven they can pull it off in the end. For the record, I loved the mcNabb trade. I was rooting for the bum. I want the Skins to go far.... then he started to play like he is too dumb. Too slow. Too old to learn new tricks. Mot a godd fit. You're kidding yourself if you think that he MAY be able to learn the new system in the future.

Last, attacking Kyle S. because of his age tells me you know nothing about people. You've never supervised or managed someone older than yourself? It's not about age. It's about what you know. Last time I checked, he did great in Houston last year. Oh yeah, I forgot, he actually had a good QB who knew to make the reads and make the throws. Of course you are allowed to criticize him. It's your right. This is my last comment on McNabb for this week. Whatever happens from now it will be up to HIM only. Not the coach. Not the Oline. Not you.

Hail

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | November 1, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

ok maybe if it were someone else othr than rex coming in it woulda sat better... still didn't like the move but peter King--who loves to listen to himself and annoys me and has a perpetual bug up his arse wrt the 'skins-- has a thought provoking take below---so yea, why shouldn't Mcnabb be made to perform and be graded like everyone else such as AH?

McNabb in a weird place.

When Washington coach Mike Shanahan made the move he made Sunday with 1:45 left in the fourth quarter and Washington trailing by six at Detroit, removing a healthy Donovan McNabb for Rex Grossman to run the two-minute offense, he said it was because of Grossman's familiarity with the two-minute offense from working with offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan at Houston in 2009. But the move tells me three things:

1. Mike Shanahan can't be happy with the work ethic or the performance in the clutch, or both, of McNabb. To say you're more comfortable with Rex Grossman than Donovan McNabb with the game on the line is something that should strike McNabb to the core. There's no way after a full offseason in an offense, particularly with an offense as quarterback-friendly as the one run by Shanahan father and son, that an experienced quarterback with pelts on the wall wouldn't know it very well. If he doesn't, the inference is clear: McNabb hasn't worked hard enough to master it.

2. Shanahan is simply going by what he's seeing. I went back and looked at the first eight games of the Redskins' season. McNabb has had the ball four times inside the two-minute warning of the fourth quarter. Once, against Green Bay, he led Washington on a seven-play, 53-yard drive that ended in a game-tying field goal that forced overtime. On the other three drives, he threw one interception and couldn't get a first down on two others. Four two-minute drives at the end of games, three points. But that's not unlike McNabb's overall production. As of this morning, at the season's midpoint, he's the NFL's 25th-rated quarterback ... and he's also in the lower 20s in fourth-quarter passer rating. Don't show Washington owner Dan Snyder the quarterback rankings, by the way. McNabb's three spots behind Jason Campbell.

3. McNabb turns 34 this month. His contract is up at the end of the year. All along, we viewed the long-term deal of McNabb in Washington as a formality, to provide the fitting coronation to the Easter-night trade from the Eagles to the Redskins. Not so fast. Do the Redskins want to pay a flawed player -- and how else would you look at McNabb after Sunday's yanking -- $15 million a year to be their quarterback for the next four years? And does McNabb want to remain in Washington for a second season after getting blindsided with the game on the line in Detroit?

Posted by: tabtool | November 1, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

rest of it............

I tend to think McNabb should be the more worried party after Sunday. Is he really that desirable a quarterback? The Eagles dangled him for two months last spring, and the only team to give a market offer for him was Washington. If the Eagles didn't want him with three or four prime years left, and if the Redskins no longer want him, what are teams around the league to say? Well, Andy Reid and Mike Shanahan -- those are two guys who sure don't know quarterbacks! I'll take McNabb! Doubtful. Very doubtful.

Maybe McNabb needs to have a heart-to-heart with Mike Shanahan in this off week. Maybe he needs to emphasize to him he'll do whatever it takes to win the trust of the Shanahans through the offseason, even if it means working daily beyond the regular OTA periods with Kyle Shanahan on the mechanics and footwork of the position the way the Shanahans want him to play it. If I were McNabb, and I still wanted that one big contract, and I wanted to play with a team that has a chance to be good in the next three or four years, that's what I'd do.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/10/31/monday-morning-qb-week-8/index.html#ixzz143DusrU2

Posted by: tabtool | November 1, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Banks had a huge game, but think about it. He had 6 kick off returns...that's 6 kick off returns. If he was to get 5-6 chances a game to return kicks, that means offense is not sustaining drives and the defense is giving up too many points......Randy Moss has reportedly been waived, skins need to pick him up.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | November 1, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

D.C. - The place where even well respected coaches suck.

Posted by: authorofpoetry | November 1, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, it is time to address the Rabach situation. How is it that Rabach's sorry play continues to be overlooked? Dockery and Carter had to sit for poor performance. It'll be hard to take Shanny serious if he continues to ignore the Rabach (and Galloway) problem.

Posted by: coparker5 | November 1, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

When they let these two Lacky's come into town to coach the redskins they made a big mistake. These dudes are Lame. McNabb will be smart to cut out of town the end of this season. Go west young man go west. The "Shanny Tranny Train" is about to derail.

Posted by: dannyray1125 | November 2, 2010 2:18 AM | Report abuse

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