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McNabb doesn't waste any time getting into conditioning program

So Donovan McNabb held up a No. 5 in burgundy and gold, and he's now officially part of the Redskins' Great Reconstruction Project.

So now what? When does McNabb actually get rolling with his new team?

"I started today," McNabb said.

Before the press conference - before the lights and the cameras and the repetitive questions - McNabb met with his new coaches, including offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan. McNabb said he expects to remain in town for the next couple of weeks, working out at Redskins Park, and during that time, these meetings with the offensive coordinator will be a regular part of his schedule.

"We're going to work together every morning," McNabb said.

The team is already well into its offseason conditioning program. It sounds like McNabb will be a part of it, but he also follows his own conditioning program.

"What I try to do is I try to prepare myself each time I train as if it's a game situation. I don't drink water during training," McNabb said. "I run three days a week, lift five days a week. My trainer, Brett Fischer, prepares me for the season at all times with core stability, with strength, flexibility is important and being able to last for five quarters [including overtime]."

He explained that he doesn't drink water because it simulates the conditions and realities of the game situation.

McNabb is in the midset of moving into a new home in Arizona and said he'll have to return soon to help. After that, he might spend most of his time here and maybe do weekends in Arizona.

He likes working out in Arizona and said he's brought teammates there to train with him in the past. He said he'd like to do that with his new Redskins' teammates, too - "put them through that 115-degree heat."

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By Rick Maese  |  April 6, 2010; 3:55 PM ET
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Comments

Fast and Furious

Posted by: WRBD | April 6, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

i am not even reading these entries _____________________________________

At what point in the future do you envision this team intending to be a serious post-season player and for how long?

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 3:49 PM |

I think our FO thinks we are closer than the rest of us to being competitive. and if they did not like a qb, and then DM comes into play, they really think we are close.

but that still does not mean we are mortgaging the future.

without a cap, and we are getting sensible contracts. cutting ties with others. smart since we dont know what the cap will be

we wanted a smarter FO, and i think we have that. hording draft picks is not the litnus test for a smarter FO. It is not that black and white.

They get a capable starter at QB, if not more for a couple of years, so now they dont use a 1 or possibly a 2 on a qb in the next two drafts. now we can get younger somewhere else.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 6, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zeebs | April 6, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

zeebs,

It's a lost cause.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 6, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

but stats aside, Donny Mac brings alot of the intangibles to the team that JC just does not possess. Winning attitude, leadership, playoff experience.. I don't have the stats in front of me but I would be willing to bet that he has played in more playoff games than everyone else on the team combined.. Not sure there is a draft chart out there to figure the value in that.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 6, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

PROCESS!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

i know flound
____________________________________________
This is no longer the Washington Redskins to me.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse


Alan, its called Free Agency, it happen back in 1993, almost 20 years ago. There are also things called computers. people dont have land lines anymore and you cant find rotary phones.

its ok ;)

Posted by: Zeebs | April 6, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't some of this sjk be consolidated?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 6, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

On a simplistic level, I like DNabb coming in and setting an example right away. This team has been lacking a leader for such a very long time. I hope this is the beginning of a team that follows DM instead of CP.

Posted by: Hail_Victory | April 6, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

McNabb may not last through the season but if Campbell has to start after DC gets to see what a real QB can do Campbell will wish he was having root canal work done instead.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | April 6, 2010 3:43 PM

One QB is getting better (no matter how bad you may think he is) and one is on the declne. At some point very soon, there will be little difference between the two other than age and injuries.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2010 3:49 PM |

If what you say were true then an astute judge of QBs like Shanahan would not have traded away valuable draft picks to get a QB that "at some point very soon" would be indistinguishable from a QB he already has and at some point shortly thereafter, worse.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | April 6, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

If what you say were true then an astute judge of QBs like Shanahan would not have traded away valuable draft picks to get a QB that "at some point very soon" would be indistinguishable from a QB he already has and at some point thereafter, worse.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | April 6, 2010 4:08 PM

When did Shanahan become an astute judge of QBs? When he inherited a hall of famer?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The draft day strategery should be:

1. Trade out of the spot (down) and try to recover a second or third round pick
2. Bradford, if still available
3. Okung, if still available
4. Trent Williams, if they are forced to eat the pick
5. Ham sandwich

Posted by: dcsween | April 6, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

And alan;

if anything that has happened under Synder prior to this year qualifies as being the skins to you (i.e. the JC is a skin comment - he should have never been a skin);

then watching thie train wreck that WAS the skins all these years has damaged your brain.

Just cause we do one thinkg you might consider as the way it used to be done when snyderatto was here, does not automatically equal the same thing.

We did not draft Doug Williams, and he won us a SB. Do you not take that piece of history when equating the long gone yester year to now?

Posted by: Zeebs | April 6, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth back to the Titans?
4:04PM ET
Albert Haynesworth | Redskins | Interested: Titans?, Rams?
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During the negotiations between the Philadelphia Eagles and Washington Redskins regarding Donovan McNabb, Albert Haynesworth's name came up, per Jason La Canfora of NFL.com. The problem, as expected, came from Haynesworth's massive contract.

Haynesworth spoke publicly at the end of last season about concerns that he was not being appreciated or used correctly by the coaching staff, so chances are he will not be pleased with this news. Since the Mike Shanahan regime took over, with Jim Haslett poised to install a 3-4 scheme, there's been rumblings that Haynesworth is unhappy again; furthermore, his absence from voluntary team workouts was discussed with Shanahan, but that doesn't mean the coach was pleased.

The question now becomes: Will the Redskins continue to shop Albert, in spite of his prohibitively expensive deal? His impact on the field can be tremendous, but teams might be a little scared of his salary, in the opinion of ESPN.com's Matt Mosley.

One team that might be a fit on-the-field if the financial matters can be worked out is the Tennessee Titans, with whom Albert is quite familiar. Jim Wyatt of the Nashville Tennessean isn't buying it yet, but here's ESPN's John Clayton has more:

John Clayton

Fisher, Washburn like Big Al

"Haynesworth has always been comfortable playing for Jeff Fisher and defensive line coach Jim Washburn in Nashville, but he couldn't refuse the seven-year, $100 million offer from the Redskins last season."

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 6, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

When did Shanahan become an astute judge of QBs? When he inherited a hall of famer?


Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2010 4:15 PM |

A hall of famer who he helped build as the QB's coach and then did what the other coach couldn't with Elway win a SB two infact. Keep trying!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 6, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I reckon you're about to get ripped on here regarding that strategy # 2, dcsween...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

This is no longer the Washington Redskins to me.
Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2010 4:07 PM

Really? So what are Ken Houston, Pat Fischer, John Riggins, and Sonny Jurgensen?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 6, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

This is no longer the Washington Redskins to me.
Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2010 4:07 PM

Really? So what are Ken Houston, Pat Fischer, John Riggins, and Sonny Jurgensen?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 6, 2010 4:18 PM |

He forgot about them to make his point.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 6, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Fat Haynesworth will try to cleat McNabb in the face if he asks him to train in 115 heat in AZ. I hope Tenne is willing to take him back for some picks.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | April 6, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

When did Shanahan become an astute judge of QBs? When he inherited a hall of famer?


Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2010 4:15 PM |+

When he was Joe Montanna and Steve Young's QB coach under George Seifert. When he was Elway's QB coach under Dan Reeves. When he got Elway two super bowls as a head coach. When he got Plummer repeatedly in the playoffs and when he got Griese and Cutler into the Pro Bowl.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 6, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Until the Jason Campbell trade is accomplished, I have no views on the QB for 2nd round pick swap. Its an unfinished trade. It just is.

On the other hand, with names like "Donovan" and "McNabb", I think this is a guy I want to party with on St. Patrick's Day.

Posted by: dcsween | April 6, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I think our FO thinks we are closer than the rest of us to being competitive. and if they did not like a qb, and then DM comes into play, they really think we are close.

but that still does not mean we are mortgaging the future.

without a cap, and we are getting sensible contracts. cutting ties with others. smart since we dont know what the cap will be

we wanted a smarter FO, and i think we have that. hording draft picks is not the litnus test for a smarter FO. It is not that black and white.

They get a capable starter at QB, if not more for a couple of years, so now they dont use a 1 or possibly a 2 on a qb in the next two drafts. now we can get younger somewhere else.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 6, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse


I think much of what our FO has done this offseason is smart. That's part of what leaves me scratching my head at this move.

Giving up the picks for a 33 year old QB continues the trend of mortgaging the future that our previous FO established. And the current FO has failed to recoup any picks.

Hording picks is precisely what the Patriots, Colts and Eagles have been doing for years - funny that they are also perennial playoff contenders.

Whatever extension we sign McNabb to is going to ahve ramifications past this cap-free season. The cap has no bearing on this season.

We have a capable starter at QB for how long? We are going to get younger in other places, and just as that "youth" starts coming into its playing prime, I fear we will see McNabb retiring, and then what?

Why is it a bad idea to use a 1 or 2 in the next couple drafts to get a QB? Why do we want to avoid doing that? Alot of teams that are perennial playoff contenders in the league draft and develop their QBs - teams like McNabb w/Eagles, or Brady w/Pats, or Manning w/Colts, or Roeth w/ Steelers. Others like the Ravens have relied on their D.

But most teams that become perennial contenders don't go the route of trading for 33 year old QBs.

So we are either trying to "win now". Or we are using McNabb as a stop-gap and a pretty expensive one that cost 2 picks plus whatever extension we give him.


...on a side note, screw all these beeps, I'm outta here, I can't figure out why JREID doesn't have the decency to let the hamsters talk uninterruptedly...seriously, the fact that McNabb is working out is pretty crappy news...

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

but stats aside, Donny Mac brings alot of the intangibles to the team that JC just does not possess. Winning attitude, leadership, playoff experience.. I don't have the stats in front of me but I would be willing to bet that he has played in more playoff games than everyone else on the team combined.. Not sure there is a draft chart out there to figure the value in that.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa

Agree with the 'intangibles' thing. Before last year, I wrote how character issues could really undermine the team ... and they did. McNabb is part of the solution there.

On the flip side, its important to recognize that he is about the 10th best QB in the league. He has struggled within the division and has only been in the top 10 in passer rating once in the last 3 years (at 9th). He does take sacks, can get hurt and isn't likely to win a game with his legs as he once did.

Good QB? Yes.
Good leader? Yes.
Elway? No.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

When did Shanahan become an astute judge of QBs? When he inherited a hall of famer?


Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2010 4:15 PM |

A hall of famer who he helped build as the QB's coach and then did what the other coach couldn't with Elway win a SB two infact. Keep trying!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 6, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse


Yeah Flound, my guess is that the 2000 yard rusher Elway had played a big role in helping him get over that SB hump...probably a bigger role than Shanny's QB coaching...

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

2. Bradford, if still available

YIKES.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 6, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

On a simplistic level, I like DNabb coming in and setting an example right away. This team has been lacking a leader for such a very long time. I hope this is the beginning of a team that follows DM instead of CP.

Posted by: Hail_Victory | April 6, 2010 4:11 PM
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yep.. lead by example. What a contrast from JC saying yesterday he would no longer work out at REdskins Park.
JC also had a problem last year when Snyder wanted Sanchez...he asked to be traded if the deal was consummated.
This is a great opportunity for JC to make a statement and work out right next to McNabb saying essentially "screw you Skins I can beat out McNabb and I welcome the competition.. " Thats what the great QBs do when challenged.

JC needs to step up and fight... Not run.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 6, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I like JC but his skill set will not win a game for the skins and at the same time he will not lose a game for the skins either those characteristics = back up. Same fate as Byron Leftwich (the former 1st rounder) remember him?

Posted by: hammer4 | April 6, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

We did not draft Doug Williams, and he won us a SB. Do you not take that piece of history when equating the long gone yester year to now?

Posted by: Zeebs | April 6, 2010 4:17 PM

OK, I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong. If we get an O-line that is the second coming of the Hogs, I'll feel a whole lot better though.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse


Yeah Flound, my guess is that the 2000 yard rusher Elway had played a big role in helping him get over that SB hump...probably a bigger role than Shanny's QB coaching...

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

When he was Joe Montanna and Steve Young's QB coach under George Seifert. When he was Elway's QB coach under Dan Reeves. When he got Elway two super bowls as a head coach. When he got Plummer repeatedly in the playoffs and when he got Griese and Cutler into the Pro Bowl.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 6, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

So who gets the credit for all those?

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 6, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I reckon you're about to get ripped on here regarding that strategy # 2, dcsween...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 4:18 PM

After nearly a decade of hoping for the imminent demise of McNabb by the Skins defence, its going to take me a while to start thinking about him as a guy I DON'T want to get injured.

Still, after a couple few years behind an offensive line that doesn't function well, THEN the fan base will be ready to embrace BOTH drafting offensive lineman AND the QB handpicked and groomed by Shanahan. As peeps have noted, Flozell is out there now ... and he and I are alumni of the fourthmost team of the Final Four ... plus between Portis, Johnson, and Parker, whoever is QB will have chip blocking protection till the cows come home.

Posted by: dcsween | April 6, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The question now becomes: Will the Redskins continue to shop Albert, in spite of his prohibitively expensive deal? His impact on the field can be tremendous, but teams might be a little scared of his salary, in the opinion of ESPN.com's Matt Mosley.


Huh? At this point, Albert is cheap (relatively speaking). Danny's already paid Albert way more than 1/2 of his guaranteed $$ and he's only 1/3 (or is it 1/4?) of the way through the guaranteed portion of the contract.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"Good QB? Yes.
Good leader? Yes.
Elway? No.

Posted by: zcezcest1"

I'd do a quick stat comparison between Elway and McNabb before you throw that one out there.

I have a feeling you'd be surprised.

Posted by: psps23 | April 6, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | April 6, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

PROCESS!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2010 4:09 PM

PLASH!

Posted by: 4-12 | April 6, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah Flound, my guess is that the 2000 yard rusher Elway had played a big role in helping him get over that SB hump...probably a bigger role than Shanny's QB coaching...

Posted by: p1funk"

This is posed as if Shanny didn't have a role in said rusher producing 2000 yards.

But I know you know his history with running backs too...

Posted by: psps23 | April 6, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

He has struggled within the division and has only been in the top 10 in passer rating once in the last 3 years (at 9th).

Good QB? Yes.
Good leader? Yes.
Elway? No.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Not saying Elway, but outside of Manning and Breese name me 5 other QB's that you would rather have..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 6, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Baldinger blasts McNabb
Posted by Mike Florio on April 6, 2010 4:28 PM ET
Plenty of people have had plenty to say about the Eagles' decision to trade quarterback Donovan McNabb to the team's division rivals in D.C.

Few have been as outspoken in favor of the Philly side of the equation as Brian Baldinger of NFL.com.

Said Baldinger (via Sheil Kapadia of philly.com): "The Eagles should be ecstatic. I view McNabb as a flawed player, and it was never more apparent than in the back-to-back losses to the Cowboys last season. His flaws will never go away. Now, the Eagles get at least two chances to expose the same flaws they've been covering up for 11 years. It works against the Redskins that McNabb is still in the division. Andy Reid can finally stop covering up for one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. The Eagles will go to the playoffs. The Redskins will be watching from the golf course."

Meanwhile, and as Redskins coach Mike Shanahan happily pointed out today, smiling like a cat that is slowly digesting a fresh canary, McNabb took the Eagles to five NFC title games in his 11 seasons. Before McNabb's arrival, it had been 20 years since the Eagles had played for the privilege of going to the Super Bowl.

Whether Reid or McNabb were responsible for those successes remains to be seen. The fact that the Eagles shipped McNabb to a rival will definitely make McNabb more motivated to prove that he had at least some responsibility for the good times

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

When he was Joe Montanna and Steve Young's QB coach under George Seifert. When he was Elway's QB coach under Dan Reeves. When he got Elway two super bowls as a head coach. When he got Plummer repeatedly in the playoffs and when he got Griese and Cutler into the Pro Bowl.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 6, 2010 4:21 PM

He inherited all those QBs except Griese and Cutler--two QBs who never won anything.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't think, however, that Bradford will be available at #4. If he's available after #1, I suspect some other team will be ready to move up to #2 or #3.

Also, I figure that the availability of Bulger (unrestricted free agent, no trading required) makes it much (much) harder for Jason Campbell to get anything done.

Carolina seems like the remaining "safe place" that any QB might want to go ... and Panthers must know it ... so they could play Campbell and Bulger off each other for what might be most favorable to the team contract-wise. Buffalo? Seattle? From a QB's perspective, those can't be that savory. Oakland must seem like the Guantanamo of the NFL.

I figure that Jason Campbell will not find a trade partner, but instead get cut ... which just seems like a shame karma-wise. Not that this team doesn't already suffer from a huge karma deficit for its moves over the past decade.

Posted by: dcsween | April 6, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

for me Brady, Rivers, Rogers are the only ones I'd take over Mc5. Big Ben is close but IMO his playing style (and perhaps off the field life too) is going to shorten his career considerably to the point that he may only play 4 or 5 years himself.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 6, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

When did Shanahan become an astute judge of QBs? When he inherited a hall of famer?


Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2010 4:15 PM |+

When he was Joe Montanna and Steve Young's QB coach under George Seifert. When he was Elway's QB coach under Dan Reeves. When he got Elway two super bowls as a head coach. When he got Plummer repeatedly in the playoffs and when he got Griese and Cutler into the Pro Bowl.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 6, 2010 4:21 PM
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alan4, be sure to pick up your pants on the way out.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 6, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling you'd be surprised.

Posted by: psps23 | April 6, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

2 super Bowl rings compared to Zero rings and arguably the biggest choke job during a final drive in a Super Bowl.

Or did you want to look at Comp %? Attempts?

Its all about the rings, and when you start comparing Hall of Fame Qb's, it is all about the RINGS!!!

And Yes, I believe McNabb will be in the Hall of Fame.

Until McNabb has a Super Bowl ring, there is no comparison.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 6, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"Good QB? Yes.
Good leader? Yes.
Elway? No.

Posted by: zcezcest1"

I'd do a quick stat comparison between Elway and McNabb before you throw that one out there.

I have a feeling you'd be surprised.

Posted by: psps23

Comparing eras is tricky with stats -- QB ratings have been soaring with each decade. Ratings in the 80's used to be HOF material. Today, an 86 rating can't even guarantee you a starting job.

Look for the appearances on the leader boards to normalize it. You'll see a difference there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

4th I sent you a message on FB.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 6, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

33 yr old QB's as good as McNabb are not available in trades. See New England. who did they trade? Brady or Cassel? how many times did Montana/Aikman/Manning/Favre get traded?

Bottom line: Snyder gets criticized for EVERY MOVE HE MAKES NOW. No matter what. I cannot believe all the clowns on this site saying that this trade was BAD. MORONS. Don't be jumping on this bandwagon come November, fellas.

Posted by: tbarz1 | April 6, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Flound, my guess is that the 2000 yard rusher Elway had played a big role in helping him get over that SB hump...probably a bigger role than Shanny's QB coaching...

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

When he was Joe Montanna and Steve Young's QB coach under George Seifert. When he was Elway's QB coach under Dan Reeves. When he got Elway two super bowls as a head coach. When he got Plummer repeatedly in the playoffs and when he got Griese and Cutler into the Pro Bowl.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 6, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

So who gets the credit for all those?

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 6, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse


If you think I'm trying to make the point that Shanny is a bad QB coach and a bum, then you are very much off base.

My point is that if we are talking about what got Elway over the SB hump, I would argue that Terrell Davis and his 2000 yards had more to do with it than Shanny.

In fact your point only helps strengthen mine. Shanny had been there (in Denver) for years coaching Elway and they weren't winning Superbowls - so what was the difference?

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Shanahan also picked up Jake Plummer, who remarked that he was "past his prime" and his firing by the Broncos was "past due."

Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

When he was Joe Montanna and Steve Young's QB coach under George Seifert. When he was Elway's QB coach under Dan Reeves. When he got Elway two super bowls as a head coach. When he got Plummer repeatedly in the playoffs and when he got Griese and Cutler into the Pro Bowl.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 6, 2010 4:21 PM

He inherited all those QBs except Griese and Cutler--two QBs who never won anything.

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All those QBs improved under Shanahan.
And look at the drop-off without Shanahan.. ie Cutler and Griese.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 6, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

alan4, be sure to pick up your pants on the way out.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 6, 2010 4:34 PM

Sure... and thanks for swallowing!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Bad Trade, part 2.
i forgot to add Elway to that list, or Marino...or Jim Kelly....how many times did they get traded.....if any of the listed QB's were available at 33 yrs old, i GUARANTEE you that there would have been a line a mile long to get them. The Eagles made a HUGE mistake and the Redskins are BENEFITING. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

Posted by: tbarz1 | April 6, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

for me Brady, Rivers, Rogers are the only ones I'd take over Mc5. Big Ben is close but IMO his playing style (and perhaps off the field life too) is going to shorten his career considerably to the point that he may only play 4 or 5 years himself.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 6, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Even Rivers and Rogers are close calls for me, point being its a short list.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 6, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

NOW I understand why we play in Arizona on the last game of the preseason! Makes for an easy game time commute for McNabb.
Gotta give the NFL schedule makers props for calling this trade weeks ago.

Posted by: jgarrisn | April 6, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line: Snyder gets criticized for EVERY MOVE HE MAKES NOW. No matter what. I cannot believe all the clowns on this site saying that this trade was BAD. MORONS. Don't be jumping on this bandwagon come November, fellas.

Posted by: tbarz1 | April 6, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse


That's not true. There was alot of praise for the FO moves (and lack of moves) all offseason up until now.

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

And as part of the renegotiation, the Redskins added a clause allowing Haynesworth to void the contract after next season and walk away, having pocketed over $24M from the team in two years

Yikes. No wonder they want to get rid of him this year.

After next year, he's gone. And his trade value is zilch.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 6, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Have any of the people touting Carolina as an option for JC to go start seen Matt Moore play? If not, you should do so. JC is not better than Matt Moore.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 6, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I reserve further judgement until the season starts.

These offseason championships mean nothing to me.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Not saying Elway, but outside of Manning and Breese name me 5 other QB's that you would rather have..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa

Sure, not hard to name 5, but I couldn't name 10:

Brady
Rodgers
Schaub
Rivers
romo (OK, that one's mostly to tick you off)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

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Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 6, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah Flound, my guess is that the 2000 yard rusher Elway had played a big role in helping him get over that SB hump...probably a bigger role than Shanny's QB coaching...

Posted by: p1funk"

This is posed as if Shanny didn't have a role in said rusher producing 2000 yards.

But I know you know his history with running backs too...

Posted by: psps23 | April 6, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse


Yes. I think it was brilliant of him to bring in Alex Gibbs who designed and installed the zone-blocking run game.

That's what great leaders do - they find people with excellent ideas and get them together and help them execute those ideas.

But now we are off the point. We were talking about what got Elway over the SB hump - and it wasn't really QB coaching.

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2010 4:38 PM

touche' very good. you're better at humor than football facts...

(btw the doug wms stuff is in wikipedia for anyone to read)

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 6, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 6, 2010 4:35 PM

You can't be serious. Football is the ultimate team game. Dan Marino ranks with the best to ever play the position. Dan Fouts wasn't shabby either. It's not their fault their respective teams' defenses couldn't stop anyone.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 6, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

4th I sent you a message on FB.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 6, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Wins the award for "most homosexual post of the day"

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 6, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

i f-in hate mcnabb, but i hope he makes me change my view

Posted by: retroskins14 | April 6, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I figure that Jason Campbell will not find a trade partner, but instead get cut ...

Posted by: dcsween | April 6, 2010 4:33 PM

How would that work? He's looking at a tender of $3 million plus. If he signs it, do the 'Skins have to pay him even if they cut him -- i.e., is it guaranteed money? If they withdraw it before he signs it, then he becomes a UFA and I presume that the 'Skins would get a compensatory pick next year. If he signs and they cut him, they get nothing.

Posted by: League-Source | April 6, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Have any of the people touting Carolina as an option for JC to go start seen Matt Moore play? If not, you should do so. JC is not better than Matt Moore.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 6, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

While I happen to think JC may indeed be better than Matt Moore, Moore's last 3 starts he beat MN, NYG, and NO all by double digits (MN and NYG by 3 scores a piece and he threw for 3 TDs and no INTs in both games). JC has never had a game like that in his career.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 6, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Diner-morning-news-Do-the-Rams-want-Bradford.html&team=101

Is Brandon Marshall next for the ‘Skins?

With the fourth pick in the draft, if I were the Redskins, I would select Russell Okung. But there seems to be some talk the ‘Skins might make a play for Denver wide receiver Brandon Marshall. This is not to suggest they would trade the fourth pick overall to the Broncos for Marshall, but they could trade down in the draft, collect some other picks, and use that for Marshall. Denver wants a first rounder for Marshall, not necessarily a specific first. If the ‘Skins want to make a deal, there are many ways to get it done and still end up with a pick in the top 60 to get an offensive lineman.

One thing is for sure -- the Brandon Marshall sweepstakes will either heat up in the next week or so or he’ll be back in Denver.

Posted by: TWISI | April 6, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line: Snyder gets criticized for EVERY MOVE HE MAKES NOW. No matter what. I cannot believe all the clowns on this site saying that this trade was BAD. MORONS. Don't be jumping on this bandwagon come November, fellas.

Posted by: tbarz1 | April 6, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse


That's not true. There was alot of praise for the FO moves (and lack of moves) all offseason up until now.

So, signing a bunch of low budget or do nothing is going to improve this team, huh?

Posted by: tbarz1 | April 6, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Except at home against DET (hardly the quality opponent those teams are).

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 6, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

You can't be serious. Football is the ultimate team game. Dan Marino ranks with the best to ever play the position. Dan Fouts wasn't shabby either. It's not their fault their respective teams' defenses couldn't stop anyone.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 6, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Fair or not, that is how you are judged.

Is Jim Kelly looked at on the same level as Joe Montana? Terry Bradshaw?

No, why? Because he never got that ring.

Fair or not, the QB gets much of the credit or much of the blame.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 6, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Wins the award for "most homosexual post of the day"

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 6, 2010 4:46 PM

Thank you. I guess you know from experience.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 6, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Dayuumm

Baldinger blasts McNabb

Posted by Mike Florio on April 6, 2010 4:28 PM ET
Plenty of people have had plenty to say about the Eagles' decision to trade quarterback Donovan McNabb to the team's division rivals in D.C.

Few have been as outspoken in favor of the Philly side of the equation as Brian Baldinger of NFL.com.

Said Baldinger (via Sheil Kapadia of philly.com): "The Eagles should be ecstatic. I view McNabb as a flawed player, and it was never more apparent than in the back-to-back losses to the Cowboys last season. His flaws will never go away. Now, the Eagles get at least two chances to expose the same flaws they've been covering up for 11 years. It works against the Redskins that McNabb is still in the division. Andy Reid can finally stop covering up for one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. The Eagles will go to the playoffs. The Redskins will be watching from the golf course."

Meanwhile, and as Redskins coach Mike Shanahan happily pointed out today, smiling like a cat that is slowly digesting a fresh canary, McNabb took the Eagles to five NFC title games in his 11 seasons. Before McNabb's arrival, it had been 20 years since the Eagles had played for the privilege of going to the Super Bowl.

Whether Reid or McNabb were responsible for those successes remains to be seen. The fact that the Eagles shipped McNabb to a rival will definitely make McNabb more motivated to prove that he had at least some responsibility for the good times.

Posted by: TWISI | April 6, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"2 super Bowl rings compared to Zero rings and arguably the biggest choke job during a final drive in a Super Bowl."

Wait, so you're saying Elway wasn't a big-game choke artist prior to Shanahan's arrival? Elway was a 3-time Super Bowl loser prior to Shanny.

But he consistently got Denver deep in the playoffs. He just couldn't win it.

Just like McNabb.

Now check their stats against each other.

Heck, check their playing styles. Both were/are semi-mobile (very mobile early in their careers), strong armed QBs that weren't terribly accurate.

The similarities between the two are almost uncanny. Everything from team successes/failures, statistics, playing style, reputation, etc.

Why else do you think Shanahan would take a so-called "rebuilding" team and trade for a 33-year old QB? I'm betting he sees a lot similarities to golden boy Elway.

Posted by: psps23 | April 6, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Thank you. I guess you know from experience.

NTTAWWT.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 6, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

A hall of famer who he helped build as the QB's coach and then did what the other coach couldn't with Elway win a SB two infact. Keep trying!!!

Posted by: Flounder21

We will, but you gotta promise to keep trying to write in English.

Posted by: TheCork | April 6, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"Said Baldinger (via Sheil Kapadia of philly.com): "The Eagles should be ecstatic. I view McNabb as a flawed player, and it was never more apparent than in the back-to-back losses to the Cowboys last season. His flaws will never go away. Now, the Eagles get at least two chances to expose the same flaws they've been covering up for 11 years. It works against the Redskins that McNabb is still in the division. Andy Reid can finally stop covering up for one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. The Eagles will go to the playoffs. The Redskins will be watching from the golf course."

Posted by 4th


Rush, what have you done with Brian?

Posted by: TheCork | April 6, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Okay, McNubb....

I'll give you a shot. I know you a highly inaccurate passer in short and mid range passes, but then again, when you are asked to throw over 60% of the time by Porky Pig's Pathetic offensive system, you might lose your ability to have a sense of balance in your skills.

I personally don't like you, but considering the pathetic play of our current quarterback who has only shown moments of skill even when he isn't running for his life, I figure you are our best chance (until we can find a younger player to develop) to get to the Super Bowl.

So, here's the deal....

Do REAL conditioning - your history is that you are out of shape the longer the season is session. Your absolute choking performance because you were OUT OF SHAPE in the Super Bowl was amazing for a pro athlete.

Stop telling the opposing teams what the play is going to be - run or pass - your head movements are 90% accurate indicators on the type of play. I'm not quite Rain Man in OCD, but I do notice patterns easily.

Give your best and beat Dallas. I don't care if you split with the Iggles, but you must rise up and smash the friggin Cowpukes in the face and embarrass them - and do it at the Dome of Death in Dallas. Nothing will earn your Redskin Fan cred more than making Jerry Jones' face crack by losing to the Redskins in Dallas!

You've now got my blessing for half of the season. Its up to you to earn the second half respect.

Posted by: laserwizard | April 6, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

mcnabb numbers are better than elways in their first 11yrs in the league. mcnabb is stronger a better runner, and more stronger arm than elway and throws LESS interceptions if elway does not have the real great player on the team in 1997 and 1998 terell davis he wins NO superbowls and when he got to the SB before davis arrived his teams were DESTROYED(45-10 washington victory was one of them). elway is only seen as being better than mcnabb is for one reason only him being a "white man in america truth is truth..deal with it.

Posted by: wathu19 | April 6, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

42-10

Posted by: westjr88 | April 6, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

The FO haters here have short memories. For the first time in two decades we're doing things the right way. Notice that Danny wasn't on the bandstand today?

I love the McNabb deal. We're only a couple of cancers named Portis and Haynesworth away from truly being a good position to make a serious run in 2-3 years.

Posted by: bostskin | April 6, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

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