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McNabb to Redskins: How the trade was made

While the Eagles made no secret of the fact that Donovan McNabb was on the market, it was a surprise to many this weekend that the Redskins were involved in the discussions.

So how exactly did this all go down?

The Redskins' new regime keeps its cards pretty close to the chest, and hopefully we learn more details at Tuesday's news conference. But here's what we believe right now:

About half the teams in the league contacted the Eagles in the weeks after the regular season ended to inquire about McNabb's availability and find out what it might take to acquire him. The Redskins were among these teams, but they weren't considered a serious contender then.

At some point, the Redskins floated the possibility of shipping either defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth or safety LaRon Landry to the Eagles, but Philadelphia wasn't interested. Moving Haynesworth would've been complicated given the money involved, but Philadelphia showed so little interest that the two sides never discussed dollars.
 
Trading within the division is rare, and McNabb was told last month that Washington wasn't an option the Eagles would consider.

The Redskins didn't seem to be serious suitors until late last week. The Raiders had emerged as front-runners, but it became clear McNabb didn't want to go to Oakland. According to Yahoo, he told some associates that he'd retire before wearing a Raiders jersey. With McNabb holding his ground, the Redskins likely saw an opportunity and jumped back in the hunt. At the same time, the Eagles likely saw that their best option was going to be the Redskins and they re-opened discussions.

McNabb might've approved of Minnesota or Arizona, where he makes his offseason home, but he let Philadelphia management know that he preferred Washington as a landing spot.

McNabb's camp wasn't certain how serious the Redskins' interest was last week, and many were surprised by how quickly talks escalated over the weekend. Once the Redskins agreed to throw in a 2011 pick, in addition to this year's second-rounder, Washington became a front-runner Saturday and the Eagles decided they had a deal they couldn't pass up.
 
From MMQB

Peter King, in his weekly Monday Morning Quarterback must-read at si.com, has some complimentary words for Redskins fans:

The impact of this note is moot now that the Redskins have acquired McNabb, but I find it an interesting sign of an intelligent fan base. The Washington Post asked its readers last week if they favored the Redskins moving up in the draft to acquire the draft rights to Oklahoma quarterback Bradford.
In most cases, fans of teams without a certain quarterback of the future would jump at the chance to take a kid who is a legitimate franchise quarterback prospect. That's why the result of this poll surprised me. Post readers, 25,330 of them as of this weekend, were 57 percent against, 42 percent in favor. (Don't ask me why it doesn't add up to 100 percent; I'm just reading off the paper's Web site.)
Those are some mature readers who know their football, readers who are tired of an aging, leaky offensive line getting passer Jason Campbell chased all over the field. Not that GM Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan are going to pay attention to the poll, but it's interesting that a solid majority of a team's fans would rather have a tackle many of them have never heard of than a quarterback who might be a longtime Pro Bowler.

By Rick Maese  |  April 5, 2010; 2:15 PM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb  
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Comments

Trade back and grab ILB McClain and O-linemen

if we can't trade back

O-line at # 4 and pray McClain doesn't fall to the VaGiants!

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 2:22 PM

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

gooonie goo goo

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

King praising anything washington... theres a FIRST

Posted by: Zeebs | April 5, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Mort is saying via twitter that the Lions are heavily leaning towards taking a DT with the #2 pick.

Which means Okung would be there at #4.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 5, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Reporter just asked Tiger why he left so many loose ends - was he asking to get caught?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 5, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

King is complimenting the team's fans, not the team.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 5, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

gooonie goo goo

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:23 PM

and mooonie moo moo

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 5, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Redskins have an intelligent fanbase?


Maybe Peter King should scroll through these comments from time to time.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 5, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

There's more to it than just completing the dump off pass.

It's about making the defense respect your offense. When you don't have a QB who can make plays, the opposing defense stacks the box.

Posted by: Vicc

And the defenses respected our OL how? By running past them time after time. Campbell probably led the league in getting hit by guys who came in untouched. I can't ever recall a season where a QB took so many hits from guys who weren't blocked at all. We had about the 4th worst yards per carry in the league, so it wasn't like the defense needed to stack the box to stop the run.

Dump offs are important passes. Heck, McNabb got a win over us when he dumped one off to Westbrook who went 60 yards with it for the game winning TD.

I just checked, the iggle QBs (mostly Donovan) completed 80 passes last year to their RBs, mccoy, westbrook and weaver -- roughly 1/4 of all their completions.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 5, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Didn't we see a similar post about Jayson Taylor to the Skins? Or was it Deion Sanders?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

The Philly article says that DMc's preferrence was AZ or Minny, but that he was "intrigued" by the opportunity with the Skins.

I don't know why JReid portrays that McNabb preferred DC to either of the places...he seems to have it backwards.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

pfunk, I would hold onto Campbell until you extend mcNabb, i case mcNabb walks or gets hurt or is ineffective

why is that a bad scenario, are you Brennan's bf

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

A few key differences between McNabb and Campbell are the ability to make quick decisions and accurately throw the deep pass...

Campbell is still a restricted free agent who has received a 1st round tender from the Skins. The only reason to trade him is if decent value can be obtained -- at least a 2nd or packaged for an OT -- otherwise, I assume he would still be retained as the backup QB.

Posted by: siris | April 5, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

And the defenses respected our OL how? By running past them time after time. Campbell probably led the league in getting hit by guys who came in untouched. I can't ever recall a season where a QB took so many hits from guys who weren't blocked at all. We had about the 4th worst yards per carry in the league, so it wasn't like the defense needed to stack the box to stop the run.

Dump offs are important passes. Heck, McNabb got a win over us when he dumped one off to Westbrook who went 60 yards with it for the game winning TD.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 5, 2010 2:22 PM


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Why would an opposing defense play deep when Campbell is gonna throw a checkdown and Chris Cooley is streaking across the middle for what looks like a TD!

It's almost to the point where I wouldn't be too upset if we didn't draft an O-linemen just so I can prove my point that a QB can post a winning record without a solid O-line.

Even Cutler led the bears to a 9-7 record with a less talented offense and defense. Sheesh, Orlando Pace was their starting LT. Matt Forte was banged up and I can't even name their starting WRs. Urlacher out for the year, + playing in a more difficult division, yet Cutler still pulled out 9 wins

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

man i got high last night...I was really messed up...i actually thought the eagles were dumb enough to send the Skins not only their franchise QB but there playbook in his brain!

that was some good stuff

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Poll = We are smart.

Trade between divisions = Us watching the eagles draft an effective weapon that kicks our butts twice a year. There is a guy they drafted in the second round a couple of years ago - whats his name - 'something' Jackson? I think he was the 49th pick after we picked another guy from a school in California. Anyway, this Jackson dude is about Twice as valuable as our WR core combined. We just gave a smart franchise the 37th pick.

This isnt win now, its Never win.

And working out the money for Haynesworth would have been imposible, other franchises are not as retarded as we are. yet Ill be sleeping wrapped in my burg and gold blankie hoping it can dry away the tears and take the pain away.

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Redskins have an intelligent fanbase?

Maybe Peter King should scroll through these comments from time to time.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 5, 2010 2:28 PM

Skins fans preferring a tackle they've never heard of?!?!!? We all know the top 8-9 tackles in the draft, including that guy whose name starts with TVYsomethingsomething.

Posted by: dcsween | April 5, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

WAIT!!!!! WOW!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

and DM5 refused to play for raiders rams, etc. I think every QB with a ? wants to go to the vikings

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead -- really? Did you read my post? I didn't say this was all for PR and to invigorate the fans, but it certainly is part of it. Danny Boy is great at creating excitment for the Skins. Mcnabb, Haynesworth, Deon Sanders, Bruce Smith, Joe Gibbs, Mike Shanahan. He is a master of fooling, stupid... fuc^ing really stupid fans, like you Redskinhead, into thinking we are close. That 1 player will make this team a playoff team and a superbowl contender... when in reality, its not true.

My point is that Mcnabb is not the answer for this team. He will enable us to continue our 8-8 run and be a running joke around the NFL and other teams fan bases... but you go ahead and act superior and intelligent because you think, a 33 year old inaccuate QB whose talent is on the decline is going to save the franchise.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 12:54 PM
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I like how you say I act superior and intelligent when your handle is "peoplearestupid", but then again, you should understand a condescending missive when you read one, right? BTW, did Shanny or anyone in the Redskins org say we were heading to the Superbowl this year because of the McNabb signing? Did I say that? YOU said this puts us farther away from a Superbowl rather than closer and I called you out on that statement. McNabb is a better QB than Campbell and chances are the picks traded were not going to draft a franchise quarterback, so totally disagreed with your statement. You seem to not be hearing what we're saying here on the blog. Maybe it's because you have your head so far up your keister that your ears are covered.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 2:30 PM

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

*Typo*

My bad 7-9 for Cutler playing with a bum squad

Our roster is clearly better than theirs

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse


Trade back and grab ILB McClain and O-linemen

if we can't trade back

O-line at # 4 and pray McClain doesn't fall to the VaGiants!

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 2:22 PM

Posted by: Vicc


What? McClain? Two wide open vacancies at o line and you want an ILB? I can't wait to hear the logic on this one.

Posted by: pgugino | April 5, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

2 Things

1) It's clear from this that the Skins are open to moving LaRon Landry. I hope they can find another suitor b/c I think he can fetch back a 2nd rounder.

2) I'd like to hear from Shanny what the seemingly abrupt change of heart was. Why we went from "inquiry" to "serious suitor" so quickly. Bascially, I guess I'd like to know - WHAT THE FREAKIN' PLAN IS NOW!?!

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Pokes just released Flozell Adams. We can pick that dude up. Then we got dudes that can win in the NFC East. Plus he is a durable Left Tackle starting 178 of 183 games.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 5, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

According to this article Haynesworth, our most valuable player by payroll, is not worth a #2 and next year's #3 to Philly...

Tells you something....

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Posted by: oldnova | April 5, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Mort is saying via twitter that the Lions are heavily leaning towards taking a DT with the #2 pick.

Which means Okung would be there at #4.

Posted by: dfbovey

Then let's send Haynesworth there for a high draft pick.

Posted by: pgugino | April 5, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Poll = We are smart.

Trade between divisions = Us watching the eagles draft an effective weapon that kicks our butts twice a year. There is a guy they drafted in the second round a couple of years ago - whats his name - 'something' Jackson? I think he was the 49th pick after we picked another guy from a school in California. Anyway, this Jackson dude is about Twice as valuable as our WR core combined. We just gave a smart franchise the 37th pick.

This isnt win now, its Never win.

And working out the money for Haynesworth would have been imposible, other franchises are not as retarded as we are. yet Ill be sleeping wrapped in my burg and gold blankie hoping it can dry away the tears and take the pain away.

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse


So stop being a Redskin fan...there are 31 "smarter" teams.....so if the skins are really dumb....how stupid are you to choose to be a fan of the dumbest team? Just sayin

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I was in the 1% that was missing fromt he poll. I voted for pizza.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I think it's a silly trade.

2 DRAFT PICKS for an aging QB that might last a year or two - dealing away our future...BUSINESS AS USUAL!!!

Splashy signings of aging veterans. George Allen all over again.

Posted by: charley42

I THINK WE ARE MISSING SOMETHING...SNYDER IS STILL IN CHARGE! THIS IS HIS DOING! SIGN AN OVER THE HILL GUY- GIVE AWAY TWO GREAT DRAFT PICKS AND SHANALLEN LOOKS LIKE THEY PULLED THE TRIGGER. CLOSE CHARLEY.....

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 5, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Mort is saying via twitter that the Lions are heavily leaning towards taking a DT with the #2 pick.

Which means Okung would be there at #4.

Posted by: dfbovey

Then let's send Haynesworth there for a high draft pick.

Posted by: pgugino | April 5, 2010 2:34 PM
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So, then they draft Okung???

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

let's see what kinda of numbers thomas can put up with #5 back there, before we comtinue the mastubation of deSean jackson which I have protested since day 1.

I've also supported 11,12,86 since day 1,

AND I've wanted Okung or best LT since the get go

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

OK, fellow Skins fans--Donovan McNabb is a solid QB.

Hopefully, when he's struggling next year right before he gets injured, you'll realize it's not his fault.

I have the feeling Donovan's friendship (and respect) with JC17 will deepen when he stands behind center sees what he has to work with on offense.

No amound of yelling and "leadership" is going to get McNabb through 16 games this year behind the Skins O-line.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Pokes just released Flozell Adams. We can pick that dude up. Then we got dudes that can win in the NFC East. Plus he is a durable Left Tackle starting 178 of 183 games.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 5, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

They released him days ago...and no he has one good leg and more importantly ...he was a cowboy...I can take players from any team....but not the cowboys!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

man i got high last night...I was really messed up...i actually thought the eagles were dumb enough to send the Skins not only their franchise QB but there playbook in his brain!

that was some good stuff

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse


Leevi,

The Skins know their playbook. We've been watching it and playing against it for 11 years and haven't been able to stop it. Andy Reid could fax us the frickin' playbook and it wouldn't matter. We don't need to know the plays they are running. We need talented players and capable coaches who can assemble a playbook of their own.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

What? McClain? Two wide open vacancies at o line and you want an ILB? I can't wait to hear the logic on this one.

Posted by: pgugino | April 5, 2010 2:33 PM

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Give it about 4-5 years and I'll rehash it for ya.

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

2) I'd like to hear from Shanny what the seemingly abrupt change of heart was. Why we went from "inquiry" to "serious suitor" so quickly. Bascially, I guess I'd like to know - WHAT THE FREAKIN' PLAN IS NOW!?!

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 2:33 PM
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Maybe they accelerated the talks because they got a trade offer they couldn't refuse for Campbell...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Peter King can go suck an acorn.

That is all.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Eagles are in official rebuild mode....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 2:09 PM

You’re joking again, right?

The Eagles have a roster that is a already a playoff contender and superior to ours and this pick gives them another resource to widen the gap. They have also stockpiled top 150 picks. I’m afraid we will be looking up at the Eagles in the standings for the foreseeable future. This is how you build a perennial contender, via the draft.

Round 1, Pick 24 (24)
Round 2 Pick 5 (37)
Round 2, Pick 23 (55)
Round 3, Pick 6 (70) (From Seahawks)
Round 3, Pick 23 (87)
Round 4, Pick 7 (105) (From Browns)
Round 4, Pick 23 (121)
Round 5, Pick 6 (137) (From Browns)
Round 6, Pick 31 (200) (From Colts)
Round 7, Pick 36 (243) (Compensatory
Round 7, Pick 37 (244) (Compensatory

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

man i got high last night...I was really messed up...i actually thought the eagles were dumb enough to send the Skins not only their franchise QB but there playbook in his brain!

that was some good stuff

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:31 PM

moo grass... yum

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 5, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

*Typo*

My bad 7-9 for Cutler playing with a bum squad

Our roster is clearly better than theirs

Posted by: Vicc

it is? cutler also broke an NFL record for red zone picks,

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I did say if we can't trade back, then draft O-line, pgugino.

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

peter king is an idiot...sam bradford is in now way guaranteed to be a perennial pro bowler, and redskins fans are not smart...why do people consider this guy a valuable critic. what a joke.

Posted by: BMACattack | April 5, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

It's too early to say exactly what McNabb will do in Washington, but as one of the league's most recognizable players, his plate was pretty full in Philadelphia. He runs a free football clinic each June, participates in a Thanksgiving event, holds a holiday party for children in December. He also partnered with the city's department of education and has worked for many years with the American Diabetes Association.

By Rick Maese | April 5, 2010; 2:00 PM ET

Does he do any work with the elderly at assisted living facilities? It would be nice if he could stop by and autograph Diesel44's scooter. I bet it would give the grumpy old guy a big lift.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Pokes just released Flozell Adams. We can pick that dude up. Then we got dudes that can win in the NFC East. Plus he is a durable Left Tackle starting 178 of 183 games.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 5, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse


We're gonna have to start going after the FLozell Adamses of the NFL.

We've done an abrupt about face. We are back in "win-now/one-player-away" mode and need to gobble up all the veterans out there on the market and pay them.

Vinny Cerrato has gone poltergeist on the Skins organization. Somehow his spirit is there running crap again and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it...

We

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they accelerated the talks because they got a trade offer they couldn't refuse for Campbell...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

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No one, and I mean no one, is going to give better than a 3 for JC.

So we give away a 2 for two years of production and get a 3 for a draft pick that has less chance of making the team than the 2 we gave away.

Given that infallible logic, unless you think that QB was the main reason we are not in SB contention on a yearly basis - this was a stupid trade.

.

Posted by: oldnova | April 5, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I think it's a silly trade.

2 DRAFT PICKS for an aging QB that might last a year or two - dealing away our future...BUSINESS AS USUAL!!!

Splashy signings of aging veterans. George Allen all over again.

Posted by: charley42

I THINK WE ARE MISSING SOMETHING...SNYDER IS STILL IN CHARGE! THIS IS HIS DOING! SIGN AN OVER THE HILL GUY- GIVE AWAY TWO GREAT DRAFT PICKS AND SHANALLEN LOOKS LIKE THEY PULLED THE TRIGGER. CLOSE CHARLEY.....

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 5, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"aging QB" so at 33 he is too old....

Let's take a history look shall we?

Here are the ages of the QBs who have won a super bowl at the age of 30 and over...these are just the winners...

(not even counting QBs like Joe Theismann who lost a super bowl at age 34 or the countless NFC/AFC Championship games which featured over 30 QBs like Brett Favre, Steve Deburg, Jim Kelly and Warner who lost the SB at age 37)

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - 33
Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - 34
Len Dawson, Kansas City Chiefs - 34
Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts - 37
Ken Stabler, Oakland Raiders - 31
Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - 35
Terry Bradshaw, Steelers - 30
Terry Bradshaw, Steelers - 31
Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders - 33
Joe Theismann, Redskins - 33
Jim Plunkett, Raiders - 36
Phil Simms, New York Giants - 32
Doug Williams, Redskins - 32
Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - 32
Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - 33
Mark Rypien, Redskins - 30
Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - 33
John Elway, Denver Broncos - 37
John Elway, Denver Broncos - 38
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 34
Drew Brees, NO Saints - 31

POINT IS???? McNabb is NOT washed up and too old.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Vicc

Vi'nny' c'errato' c

i get it now

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I bet it would give the grumpy old guy a big lift.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 2:40 PM

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Pot -- Kettle.

Kettle -- Pot.

;-)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 5, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I figured that Haynesworth already was a little pissed off. How much more pissed off does he become now? And is Laron Landry going to join him in his pissed-off-ed-ness?

Posted by: dcsween | April 5, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

leevi98

Is that how you manage your alliances. Let me guess Last year you were a laker fan and a saints fan. Year before maybe a Celtics fan and a steeler fan

Real Fans Feel Pain!

Im not a skins fan because of how they manage the team. Check your fan card at the door on your way out.

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles have a roster that is a already a playoff contender and superior to ours and this pick gives them another resource to widen the gap. They have also stockpiled top 150 picks. I’m afraid we will be looking up at the Eagles in the standings for the foreseeable future. This is how you build a perennial contender, via the draft.

Round 1, Pick 24 (24)
Round 2 Pick 5 (37)
Round 2, Pick 23 (55)
Round 3, Pick 6 (70) (From Seahawks)
Round 3, Pick 23 (87)
Round 4, Pick 7 (105) (From Browns)
Round 4, Pick 23 (121)
Round 5, Pick 6 (137) (From Browns)
Round 6, Pick 31 (200) (From Colts)
Round 7, Pick 36 (243) (Compensatory
Round 7, Pick 37 (244) (Compensatory

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse


Ok, I have a migraine....I need to go lie down.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

it is? cutler also broke an NFL record for red zone picks,

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 2:40 PM

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and when/if he corrects those the bears might actually get to 9-10 wins. Think about it pabrian2003. Jay Cutler had a terrible O-line, WRs and a banged up RB. Using your own argument against you, can you imagine how good the Bears could be if they actually provided Jay Cutler with an O-line, some WR weapons and a better defense?

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

is 33 old for a QB?

not usually, I know mcNabb played an extra season or 2 of playoff games, and runns a lot taking some big hits, but no reason why he doesn't have 3 or 4 sesaons in the tank

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

My bad 7-9 for Cutler playing with a bum squad

Our roster is clearly better than theirs

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 2:32 PM

The facts do not support your opinion. The Bears were 9-7 in 2008, before Cutler got there.

The Broncos were 13-3 the season before Cutler started (he went 2-3 in starts the following season, after Jake Plummer led the SAME SQUAD to a 7-4 mark).

Cutler has never had a winning season in the NFL, apart from that 9-7 season in which he was 2-3.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

To heck with both LL and AH.

Trade the schlubs, both of 'em.

To da Raiders!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 5, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I like how you say I act superior and intelligent when your handle is "peoplearestupid", but then again, you should understand a condescending missive when you read one, right? BTW, did Shanny or anyone in the Redskins org say we were heading to the Superbowl this year because of the McNabb signing? Did I say that? YOU said this puts us farther away from a Superbowl rather than closer and I called you out on that statement. McNabb is a better QB than Campbell and chances are the picks traded were not going to draft a franchise quarterback, so totally disagreed with your statement. You seem to not be hearing what we're saying here on the blog. Maybe it's because you have your head so far up your keister that your ears are covered.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 2:30 PM

And what is your point? People are saying that this is a good trade. That it improves our team, improving our team is only good if it helps us towards our GOAL OF WINNING THE SUPERBOWL. Because that is why teams play the game right? To win the superbowl?? Not to be .500. Not to make the playoffs. So, please enlighten me as to how this brings us closer to a superbowl?

We have a starting QB, who is 33, aging, injury prone and pretty inaccurate... on a team without even a mediocre oline... without a decent RB... and without even a real #2 wr. A team whose defense is made up of a diva who takes 50% of the plays off. A safety who cannot cover and does not understand how to form tackle. 2 corners who simply cannot stay in front of opposing teams wrs.... and 3 linebackers who do not fit the new system we are implementing in the 3-4....

Yes, we have a QB. No, we do not have a superbowl caliber team...and trading away 2 picks inhibits us from acquiring the talent necessary to become a superbowl caliber team....

My heads up my asz? Come on now son... say something relevant instead of just trying to insult me. Bring something to the table and stop simply talking about my handle.... ok my name is peoplearestupid.... and you my fried only seem to enforce my point.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth a Raider, according to NFL.com site.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 5, 2010 2:06 PM

Nice work on this, LH.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"Here are the ages of the QBs who have won a super bowl at the age of 30 and over...these are just the winners..."

the list of QBs who got traded away at 33 and did nothing for the rest of their careers is three times as long. If McNabb were capable of winning the big one do you think Philly would give one thought to trading him?

Yet everyone knew he was on the trading block since the end of the season... and they trade him within the division...

So you are telling everyone that Philly knows less about McNabb's ability than we do?


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Posted by: oldnova | April 5, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

cutler is a playmaker. but I don't think our roster is significantly better than theirs, every team improves by improving their O line, right?

and, when I watch Cutler in the red zone I think he either has a weaker arm than advertised or tries to force it, and I'm not a big fan.

he is a good Qb, a great athlete, and runs the hurry up as fast as I've seen, but I really dislike those red zone picks

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Redskins have an intelligent fanbase?


Maybe Peter King should scroll through these comments from time to time.

Posted by: RedDMV


We're Redskins, man! Sure our dummies are stupid. But our dummies are smarter than everyone else's dummies.

Posted by: lordtwang | April 5, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

My argument Alan4,

Is that Jay Cutler won more games than Jason Campbell with a lesser team and a tougher schedule.

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Eagles are in official rebuild mode....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 2:09 PM

You’re joking again, right?

The Eagles have a roster that is a already a playoff contender and superior to ours and this pick gives them another resource to widen the gap. They have also stockpiled top 150 picks. I’m afraid we will be looking up at the Eagles in the standings for the foreseeable future. This is how you build a perennial contender, via the draft.

Round 1, Pick 24 (24)
Round 2 Pick 5 (37)
Round 2, Pick 23 (55)
Round 3, Pick 6 (70) (From Seahawks)
Round 3, Pick 23 (87)
Round 4, Pick 7 (105) (From Browns)
Round 4, Pick 23 (121)
Round 5, Pick 6 (137) (From Browns)
Round 6, Pick 31 (200) (From Colts)
Round 7, Pick 36 (243) (Compensatory
Round 7, Pick 37 (244) (Compensatory


Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 2:34 PM

Like I SAID....They are rebuilding....

Kolb hasn't taken them anywhere....And You expect all these rookies to be immediate impact players? You gotta be kidding me....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

leevi98

Is that how you manage your alliances. Let me guess Last year you were a laker fan and a saints fan. Year before maybe a Celtics fan and a steeler fan

Real Fans Feel Pain!

Im not a skins fan because of how they manage the team. Check your fan card at the door on your way out.

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

ok let's check my fan card see how you measure up?

Season ticket holder for 48 years - CHECK

A Redskins autograph collection of 56 players dating back to the 60's and including Sammy Baugh - CHECK

Traveled and attended away games 32 times - CHECK

Was present at the Superbowl in 82, 83, 88 and 91 - CHECK

NEVER bashes his own team and stands by his team and is proud to be a Redskins fan no matter what... - CHECK


your turn....

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I apologize if this has been asked before...but is Bradford still coming for a visit tomorrow?

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 5, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Does he do any work with the elderly at assisted living facilities? It would be nice if he could stop by and autograph Diesel44's scooter. I bet it would give the grumpy old guy a big lift.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 2:40 PM

Let's just hope he isn't giving the task of teaching any of the young guys the NFL rulebook.

Yes… regular season games can end in a tie and NO… if the Super Bowl ends in a tie the NFL doesn't give out two Lombardi's.

You didn't have to matriculate from Duke to have such an in depth knowledge of the rule book.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

POINT IS???? McNabb is NOT washed up and too old.


Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:42 PM

Nice post, leevi! I like when you use facts. I would like to point out, however, that the overwhelming majority of QBs on your list had many years of stability with the same team and same coach.

McNabb had 11 years with the same team and coach. If he stayed in Philly, he might have continued to be productive for 10 or 11 games a year.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

urlacher missed the whole year last year and is the Bears best player IMO

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - 32
Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - 33
Mark Rypien, Redskins - 30
Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - 33
John Elway, Denver Broncos - 37
John Elway, Denver Broncos - 38
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 34
Drew Brees, NO Saints - 31

POINT IS???? McNabb is NOT washed up and too old.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse


Great point.

We are just like those 49er and Bronco teams - all we've needed was the right QB.

Now the problem is solved.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

My argument Alan4,

Is that Jay Cutler won more games than Jason Campbell with a lesser team and a tougher schedule.

Posted by: Vicc

and, I don't hink them a lesser team , and we are in a tougher division so......

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I like how you say I act superior and intelligent when your handle is "peoplearestupid", but then again, you should understand a condescending missive when you read one, right? BTW, did Shanny or anyone in the Redskins org say we were heading to the Superbowl this year because of the McNabb signing? Did I say that? YOU said this puts us farther away from a Superbowl rather than closer and I called you out on that statement. McNabb is a better QB than Campbell and chances are the picks traded were not going to draft a franchise quarterback, so totally disagreed with your statement. You seem to not be hearing what we're saying here on the blog. Maybe it's because you have your head so far up your keister that your ears are covered.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 2:30 PM


Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse
--------------------------------------------- You are definetly one of those stupid people. What he is trying to say, the redskins always try to do it in one year. It has never worked, it will never work!! Remember the Bruce Smith, Deon Sanders, Jeff George, etc... off season. Boy those were good times. Real teams do it through the draft like the Eagles, Steelers, Patriots!! We are stupid enough to make these same mistakes year after year leaving all the good players in the draft for other teams to get. So yeah you thinking that this trade is a good one and that is could finally be the one, makes you stupid. We could have done alot better this offseason. I Feel we moved backward once again.

Posted by: 4skin | April 5, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Vicc, you have no basis to say Jay Cutler's played for lesser teams.

As I pointed out, he has gone to teams with winning records before he got there, and led them to losing records or at best, 0.500. Check the books.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Whoa...

...This is the biggest no news post I have seen...We knew all of this already....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"Here are the ages of the QBs who have won a super bowl at the age of 30 and over...these are just the winners..."

the list of QBs who got traded away at 33 and did nothing for the rest of their careers is three times as long. If McNabb were capable of winning the big one do you think Philly would give one thought to trading him?

Yet everyone knew he was on the trading block since the end of the season... and they trade him within the division...

So you are telling everyone that Philly knows less about McNabb's ability than we do?


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Posted by: oldnova | April 5, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse


So they are doomed....damned if ya do damned if ya dont right?

Whats the point in even watching then...take up shuffle board

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

leevi, thanks for not bashing our team. I also try not to bash us. it accomplishes nothing to bash or hate.

occasionally I bash a sellars in defense of a portis, because of what I see on the field

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Can we please stop saying we are in win now mode....

we did not give a ridiculous contract to an aging QB. We traded a potential NFL player for a legit nfl player, at the most important position in the league.

You can say we want established vets over young unprovens, which is marginally supported by the deal for mcnabb.

But most people I hear see this as a steal from the eagles. Not the hand wringing our fans are apt to do.

I would say we are just not rebuilding. A lot of people said get o line with both picks in the first two rounds, so JC would have been the starter.

McNabb is better than JC, that is simple. Now we gave up one oline future potential pick/player to take care of a position we all thought we would need to draft high on in the next 2 years, say 1st or 2nd rounds of either this years draft or next years draft.

Now we can take Pike at 4 or some other serious project QB (maybe even Brennan as CC47 suggested) next years draft that can learn behind him.

DM feels no pressure from behind since he knows the kid is a project, and the kid has time to learn.

One thing I always expected was that shanny was not content with going 4-12 again this season. This just confirms that.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 5, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

You are definetly one of those stupid people. What he is trying to say, the redskins always try to do it in one year. It has never worked, it will never work!! Remember the Bruce Smith, Deon Sanders, Jeff George, etc... off season. Boy those were good times. Real teams do it through the draft like the Eagles, Steelers, Patriots!! We are stupid enough to make these same mistakes year after year leaving all the good players in the draft for other teams to get. So yeah you thinking that this trade is a good one and that is could finally be the one, makes you stupid. We could have done alot better this offseason. I Feel we moved backward once again.

Posted by: 4skin | April 5, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

So go be a Pats eagles or steelers fan and call it a day

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Mort is saying via twitter that the Lions are heavily leaning towards taking a DT with the #2 pick.

Which means Okung would be there at #4.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 5, 2010 2:25 PM

This is Detriot sending out false signals in hopes of someone trading up for McSuh....

But Okung will still be the pick.....


Booked Already by the logical minds....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

the Bears had a system, the Skins didn't, haven't, and still don't

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - 32
Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - 33
Mark Rypien, Redskins - 30
Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - 33
John Elway, Denver Broncos - 37
John Elway, Denver Broncos - 38
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 34
Drew Brees, NO Saints - 31

POINT IS???? McNabb is NOT washed up and too old.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse


Great point.

We are just like those 49er and Bronco teams - all we've needed was the right QB.

Now the problem is solved.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

p1funk,

Not saying we are goping to the SB just pointing out that I do not think McNabb is old and washed up as many keep posting...that's all

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

What? McClain? Two wide open vacancies at o line and you want an ILB? I can't wait to hear the logic on this one.

Posted by: pgugino | April 5, 2010 2:33 PM

Did you realize that a 3-4 needs 2 (TWO) ILB....And all we have right now is one who is older than McNabb???????????

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Whoa...

...This is the biggest no news post I have seen...We knew all of this already....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 2:53 PM

no news is good moos

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 5, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I apologize if this has been asked before...but is Bradford still coming for a visit tomorrow?

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 5, 2010 2:49 PM

Still coming but he has to pay his own air fare and hotel.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse


If I'm Allen or Shanahan, the fact AH wants his NEW boat to hit 180 MPH with him at the wheel would be a bigger factor to trade him. than his not liking NT

Posted by: TheCork | April 5, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I apologize if this has been asked before...but is Bradford still coming for a visit tomorrow?

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 5, 2010 2:49 PM

Still coming but he has to pay his own air fare and hotel.

Posted by: League-Source |

Yup, and after dinner, watch Shanny, Allen and Dan head for the mens room when the check arrives.

Posted by: TheCork | April 5, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Round 1, Pick 24 (24)
Round 2 Pick 5 (37)
Round 2, Pick 23 (55)
Round 3, Pick 6 (70) (From Seahawks)
Round 3, Pick 23 (87)
Round 4, Pick 7 (105) (From Browns)
Round 4, Pick 23 (121)
Round 5, Pick 6 (137) (From Browns)
Round 6, Pick 31 (200) (From Colts)
Round 7, Pick 36 (243) (Compensatory
Round 7, Pick 37 (244) (Compensatory

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 2:39 PM

So what! They still sucks! Their best weapon is now with us and JC is not going anywhere; remember Shanny promised competition at every level, we have seen the talent at the RB position, now we are looking at the QB. It's still an open competition, but I think McNabb will start.

Posted by: abxinc | April 5, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

POINT IS???? McNabb is NOT washed up and too old.


Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:42 PM

Nice post, leevi! I like when you use facts. I would like to point out, however, that the overwhelming majority of QBs on your list had many years of stability with the same team and same coach.

McNabb had 11 years with the same team and coach. If he stayed in Philly, he might have continued to be productive for 10 or 11 games a year.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Yes you are right...some did...but some didn't...some of those had only been with their coach a short time...Elway...JT to name two..

like I said..I'm not saying we are going to the superbowl...just pointing out a QB as good as McNabb is not washed up at 33....

Sure is funny how Mcnabb has the same story as Elway did...they even tried to trade Elway at one point! Elway was also labeled as over the hill..washed up and can't win the big one...the Shanny came in and at 37 and 38 he got his ring....

Not trying to compare...just conversation

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Lets take a look at this idiotic post "shall we".

The game is much faster now, players dont smoke cuban cigars on the sidelines anymore and the recent ones had good O-lines and so did the older ones. We have no oline and a qb that is not accurate at all unless someone is WIDE open. So yeah your an idiot!!

Posted by: 4skin | April 5, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

And we really just need to pulg one starting spot on the OLine, possibbly...

LT


#4Pick, LG (Whose name fails me right now), Rabachs, BMW, Heyer.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Can we please stop saying we are in win now mode....

we did not give a ridiculous contract to an aging QB. We traded a potential NFL player for a legit nfl player, at the most important position in the league.

You can say we want established vets over young unprovens, which is marginally supported by the deal for mcnabb.

But most people I hear see this as a steal from the eagles. Not the hand wringing our fans are apt to do.

I would say we are just not rebuilding. A lot of people said get o line with both picks in the first two rounds, so JC would have been the starter.

McNabb is better than JC, that is simple. Now we gave up one oline future potential pick/player to take care of a position we all thought we would need to draft high on in the next 2 years, say 1st or 2nd rounds of either this years draft or next years draft.

Now we can take Pike at 4 or some other serious project QB (maybe even Brennan as CC47 suggested) next years draft that can learn behind him.

DM feels no pressure from behind since he knows the kid is a project, and the kid has time to learn.

One thing I always expected was that shanny was not content with going 4-12 again this season. This just confirms that.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 5, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse


How can you say we are not in "win-now" mode when we just traded away 2 high draft picks for a 33-year old QB who himself is in "win-now" mode?

Mcnabb's big extension is right around the corner. Just watch. And if it's not, then it makes this move even more stupid b/c we basically would have given up 2 good picks for a 1 year rental in a rebuilding season.

The only way to salvage this move and say it's not "win-now" is if we can ship out guys like Landry, Rogers and Campbell and recoup some picks.

Then you can make the argument that when it's all said and done, we got a 2-3 year upgrade at QB without mortgaging the future.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

According to this article Haynesworth, our most valuable player by payroll, is not worth a #2 and next year's #3 to Philly...

Tells you something....

.

Posted by: oldnova | April 5, 2010 2:34 PM

______________________________________

it's his roster bonus and salary that the Eagles didn't like. www.espn.com/nfl

GO McNabb!!! Go Skins!

Posted by: alucard1 | April 5, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I do not see how this trade improves the Redskins beyond an 8-8, 9-7 team. Someone please tell me how this trade does anything to make us a title contender? Please tell me, if were not contending, what the point of this trade is? Trading picks for a player Mcnabbs age should only happen when you are close to contending, otherwise you take those picks and use them to try to infuse the team with young, hungry talent...

I'm honestly waiting for someone to tell me how this makes us a contending team? And if it doesn't why did we make the trade?

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Kolb hasn't taken them anywhere....And You expect all these rookies to be immediate impact players? You gotta be kidding me....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 2:49 PM

The Eagles don't redshirt their players. For example Desean Jackson, LeSean McCoy, & Jeremy Maclain made an immediate impact and two of them were 2nd rounder’s.

The point is that their roster is already more talented than ours and they have EIGHT (8) PICKS in the top 150 to widen the gap.

Your comments are the only thing that resembles a joke and if the Eagles were concerned about McNabb and his 2-3 year impact on the division they would have never traded him to us.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The Haynesworth story is just getting started
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 5, 2010 2:36 PM ET
We only have a few more days to milk the Donovan McNabb trade aftermath, but PFT has come up with some exciting non-Draft programming for the next few weeks.

We call it: Who wants Albert Haynesworth?

One of the biggest signings in free agency was offered to the Eagles, and NFL Network's Jason La Canfora expects the Redskins to continue to try to deal him. The connection to the Eagles wasn't the only time PFT has heard a rumor of Haynesworth's availability this offseason.

The financial implications of a possible Haynesworth trade are tricky. La Canfora writes the Eagles showed zero interest, so any financial stipulations didn't come up.

Haynesworth reportedly isn't thrilled with the idea of playing nose tackle. We wonder how he'll react when he hears the Redskins tried to get rid of him

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I am not buying the argument that the Skins just blew their future and will never ever be good because they traded away the 37th pick in the draft and maybe a 4th or 3rd next year.....

By the time next year comes...i am sure they will have that pick back ...as well as the 2nd maybe this year....i think we just need to sit back and let it all play out before we hate and judge

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

For my man Jason Campbell as he's leaving Redskins Park.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 5, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

leevi98

You've got plenty of Years over me in regards to being a skins fan. In fact I wasnt even born till '82.

I can afford season tickets and Im happy if I get in the nose bleed section for a non conference game every 3 years.

I have never been to the superbowl and the only skins away games ive been to have been in Philly (where I currently live) and endure bashings on a daily basis during the season.

I do love every player that puts the Jersey on and plays with heart, dignity and a passion for the game regardless of how they were acquired.

But if I spent half as much money on the team (that is still valued in the top 5 $$ wise) as you have and do, I would not be satisfied with the way the team has ben run and continues to be run. See, DC sports mean something to DC area citizens. Not always the same thing, but its more than nothing. When the team (not the players who represent it but the owners/management that do) consistently make moves that PROVE not to be working, I as a fan that bleeds B & G, tends to get frustrated with the people making the calls. Im glad your commitment to the skins extends financially, but arent you sick of the way they have done things.

When you left Fedex Field in December after the shut out Dallas game knowing we were going to lose to San Diego - but praying we would pull out a win and be 5 - 11 - Didnt you wish things were different?

Remind me what Einstein's definition of insanity is.

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Skins get offered a third for Haynesworth and he's gone.

Unless it's to Dallas or the Giants.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

p1funk,

Not saying we are goping to the SB just pointing out that I do not think McNabb is old and washed up as many keep posting...that's all

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse


Well, he'll have to prove that he's not old and washed up.

Just b/c some other QBs won Superbowls in their 30's has no bearing at all on McNabb.

Seriously, the Tampa Bay Superbowl was won with defense.

The Broncos SB teams featured a 2000 yard rusher.

The 49er teams were a juggernaut. It wasn't jsut Joe Montana - they also had the greatest football player EVER at ANY position in Jerry Rice - not to mention John Taylor, Roger Craig, etc.

My point is that throwing picks and an extension at mcNabb at this point in his career is foolish given the larger outlook of the team as a whole.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

We wonder how he'll react when he hears the Redskins tried to get rid of him

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:04 PM |

Not that it matters, but this was probably already discussed with AH and his agent. And, given his attitude, he would probably welcome a trade.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Your comments are the only thing that resembles a joke and if the Eagles were concerned about McNabb and his 2-3 year impact on the division they would have never traded him to us.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 3:04 PM

Please remember this last paragraph at the end of the season when the Eagles end up as one of the bottom 2 teams in the NFC East...

...You just don't trade a potential HOFer like that and expect them to make the POs the next year and SB immediattly....

The Eagles have ZERO leadership. Who are their leaders? Where is the experince?

There is none....Eagles will be irrelevant for atleast the next 2 years......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

The legendary Ken Beatrice once said,

"You never trade and 'is' for a 'will be'"

Donovan McNabb still 'is'...Kolb is a "will be" (they hope)

I'm good with this!


Posted by: rickyroge | April 5, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Remind me what Einstein's definition of insanity is.

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 3:06 PM

Reading a post by Skinalicious?

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:09 PM

It's a little too soone to write their epitaph.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 5, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

leevi98

You've got plenty of Years over me in regards to being a skins fan. In fact I wasnt even born till '82.

I can afford season tickets and Im happy if I get in the nose bleed section for a non conference game every 3 years.

I have never been to the superbowl and the only skins away games ive been to have been in Philly (where I currently live) and endure bashings on a daily basis during the season.

I do love every player that puts the Jersey on and plays with heart, dignity and a passion for the game regardless of how they were acquired.

But if I spent half as much money on the team (that is still valued in the top 5 $$ wise) as you have and do, I would not be satisfied with the way the team has ben run and continues to be run. See, DC sports mean something to DC area citizens. Not always the same thing, but its more than nothing. When the team (not the players who represent it but the owners/management that do) consistently make moves that PROVE not to be working, I as a fan that bleeds B & G, tends to get frustrated with the people making the calls. Im glad your commitment to the skins extends financially, but arent you sick of the way they have done things.

When you left Fedex Field in December after the shut out Dallas game knowing we were going to lose to San Diego - but praying we would pull out a win and be 5 - 11 - Didnt you wish things were different?

Remind me what Einstein's definition of insanity is.

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I understand...but I am just not into worrying about that....i am a fan because it gives me pleasure...fun to hang out and tail gate with so many friends etc....Life is too short to let things like football make you upset or angry over things you cannot control :)

HAIL NATION

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

leevi98

You've got plenty of Years over me in regards to being a skins fan. In fact I wasnt even born till '82.

I can afford season tickets and Im happy if I get in the nose bleed section for a non conference game every 3 years.

I have never been to the superbowl and the only skins away games ive been to have been in Philly (where I currently live) and endure bashings on a daily basis during the season.

I do love every player that puts the Jersey on and plays with heart, dignity and a passion for the game regardless of how they were acquired.

But if I spent half as much money on the team (that is still valued in the top 5 $$ wise) as you have and do, I would not be satisfied with the way the team has ben run and continues to be run. See, DC sports mean something to DC area citizens. Not always the same thing, but its more than nothing. When the team (not the players who represent it but the owners/management that do) consistently make moves that PROVE not to be working, I as a fan that bleeds B & G, tends to get frustrated with the people making the calls. Im glad your commitment to the skins extends financially, but arent you sick of the way they have done things.

When you left Fedex Field in December after the shut out Dallas game knowing we were going to lose to San Diego - but praying we would pull out a win and be 5 - 11 - Didnt you wish things were different?

Remind me what Einstein's definition of insanity is.

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I understand...but I am just not into worrying about that....i am a fan because it gives me pleasure...fun to hang out and tail gate with so many friends etc....Life is too short to let things like football make you upset or angry over things you cannot control :)

HAIL NATION

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I do not see how this trade improves the Redskins beyond an 8-8, 9-7 team....

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 3:03 PM


If this trade did all that, I'm a supporter. I'm just afraid that we're giving up too much in a draft that's supposed to be deep with OL, when we've got 1 or 2 legit starters on our OL right now. Our running back cadre is suspect. I don't see 8 or 9 wins with our O-line in the condition it's in now.

Philly may have done us a favor declining Haynesworth and LL. Those players are both young and have gas in the tank!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

When are they gonna get a kicker?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

may be you all have notes this but the skins have not offered an contract extension to our new qb .

That should tell you that thing have changed for in the past we would have over paid, but at this point we are just one season and done .

so maybe this isn't like before

Posted by: joevick2 | April 5, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

There is none....Eagles will be irrelevant for atleast the next 2 years......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse


And so will we.

And 2 years from now when the Eagles are hitting their stride for another decade of playoff appearances, we're gonna be scratching our heads wondering what to do post-McNabb and lamenting our roster's dearth of fresh young talent ready to hit it's prime.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

So go be a Pats eagles or steelers fan and call it a day

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Funny, you must think that the teams that are contenders are doing it wrong and we are doing it right. I mean it has worked so far right?? If youd rather have McShwaag than building our team through the draft you are as stupid as the FO. Really we need you gulable fans that buy into this crap every year to choose different teams and hope one day danny boy listens to us logical fans and takes a look at an organization that works. Thats all Im asking for. Do it the right way, its not rocket science if your way is broken, fix it!!!

Posted by: 4skin | April 5, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Remind me what Einstein's definition of insanity is.

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 3:06 PM |

HAIL NATION

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:13 PM

Making the same post twice?

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Splashy signings of aging veterans. George Allen all over again.

Posted by: charley42

Would that it were so . . . I would love for this team to go back to a George Allen-era level of success. They made the SB in 1972 and made the playoffs pretty much every year of the 70s with a division title or two thrown in, if memory serves me correctly.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 5, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I apologize if this has been asked before...but is Bradford still coming for a visit tomorrow?

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 5, 2010 2:49 P

I still expect Bradford to be picked by the Skins. This McNabb thing feels very short termy to me.

4th Floor, Dockery. [Q: is your boss in town still?]

Posted by: dcsween | April 5, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

My heads up my asz? Come on now son... say something relevant instead of just trying to insult me. Bring something to the table and stop simply talking about my handle.... ok my name is peoplearestupid.... and you my fried only seem to enforce my point.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse
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I would just advise everyone to ignore this guy instead of indulging him. He appears to be a self-absorbed know-it-all who doesn't know nearly as much about football as he (or she) thinks. To your points:

- Devin Thomas was coming around last year, and I think it's a safe bet that either he or MK will be a viable receiving threat (which means that they will consistently run precise routes, obtain separation, catch the ball, and gain some yards after catch, for people who don't know)
- In my opinion, it's pretty likely that at least one of our trio of aging RBs - I think CP - will have enough legs left to produce an effective running game if his carries can be reduced slightly.
- Stats will show (RI and Hogs Haven have both written about it; I'm not going to waste more time by finding the links) that AH didn't take nearly as many plays off as accused him of last year. And he was very dominant a good bit of the time. Do you think Andre Carter had a career year and Orakpo set the Redskins rookie sack record for no reason?
- LL isn't really a free safety, and was drafted to be a strong safety. It's likely that playing him at strong with ______ at free would improve his performance. BTW, do you know how to form tackle???
- Don't underestimate London Fletcher simply b/c you've read some profiles on the internet about the "prototypical" MLB. He's a legit talent and will succeed.
- Our corners are a concern, but I believe that CR has pretty decent cover skills but had a bad year for a number of reasons. He's good enough to keep around and start for a while.

Bottom line is that this trade is good for the Redskins and isn't nearly as bad as what you seem to think. Giving up one little #2 this year and a #3/#4 next year is a small price to pay for a legit top-flight QB who can step in a play at a high level immediately for the next three years or so(assuming he remains upright - hello, Russell Okung). it's what half the people on RI have screamed about for years.

And yes, your screen name is absolutely stupid and reflects poorly on you and your character.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | April 5, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

So go be a Pats eagles or steelers fan and call it a day

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Funny, you must think that the teams that are contenders are doing it wrong and we are doing it right. I mean it has worked so far right?? If youd rather have McShwaag than building our team through the draft you are as stupid as the FO. Really we need you gulable fans that buy into this crap every year to choose different teams and hope one day danny boy listens to us logical fans and takes a look at an organization that works. Thats all Im asking for. Do it the right way, its not rocket science if your way is broken, fix it!!!

Posted by: 4skin | April 5, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse


i disagree with it being the same ol same ol...they have not over paid for anyone in FA like in years past.....losing the 37th pick is not going to make or break the team...sorry don't agree with that at all

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

That was a "must read"?
Peter King calling the Washington fan base intelligent?
Why should it be a "must read" of someone with such a lack of understanding?

Posted by: hock1 | April 5, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post asked its readers last week if they favored the Redskins moving up in the draft to acquire the draft rights to Oklahoma quarterback Bradford.
In most cases, fans of teams without a certain quarterback of the future would jump at the chance to take a kid who is a legitimate franchise quarterback prospect. That's why the result of this poll surprised me. Post readers, 25,330 of them as of this weekend, were 57 percent against, 42 percent in favor.
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Yes it is moot but the reason is why move up to grab Bradford when the Skins could of stayed pat and drafted Clausen.. getting the franchise QB they needed and keeping their other draft picks.. Now of course the Skins won't draft a QB of the future but since McNabb is good for what 2 years, best hope.. and yeah maybe somewhat of a long shot is Colt Brennan really impresses in camp.. maybe moves up to 2nd string.. and after McNabb can become the franchise QB. Otherwise in 2012.. were back to see who we can draft that year...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 5, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

may be you all have notes this but the skins have not offered an contract extension to our new qb .

That should tell you that thing have changed for in the past we would have over paid, but at this point we are just one season and done .

so maybe this isn't like before

Posted by: joevick2 | April 5, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse


If they don't offer him an extension, then we just traded 2 high draft picks away for a 1 year rental.

That would be even more stupid.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

And 2 years from now when the Eagles are hitting their stride for another decade of playoff appearances, we're gonna be scratching our heads wondering what to do post-McNabb and lamenting our roster's dearth of fresh young talent ready to hit it's prime.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

No, because McNabb will still be playing well at 35 and Shanny will have identified our QB of the future by then.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 5, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Trade Haynesworth and JC17 to Oakland for the #8 pick. Draft Okung and Trent Williams. Championship.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 5, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing is...most against this trade seems to point to the 37th pick and 3rd or 4th next year as so crucial.

Then they turn around and say...we are not one player away from success...

Well you can't claim both ways....

If they are not one or 2 players away from success...then the 37th pick and 3rd or 4th next year (which I believe they will get back both at some point) are not as important as they claim...catch 22 and a complete contradiction.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

4thFloor --- and anyone else talking about the demise of the eagles

You realize they have more talent on their offense than we have on our entire team? Jackson, Maclin Avant, Mccoy, Celek, a decent Oline will all be more than enough to give Kolb the support he needs to play decently. Their defense had a tough year last year but their MLB is back from the IR and all the players have another year of experience.

Adding to that is the fact that they have draft picks and have proven that they are good at finding talent through the draft. Seeing as all of their stars in the past, Dawkins, Mcnabb, Westbrook, evne now Jackson, Mikel (their SS for those who dont know) Avant, Mccoy, Kolb are all drafted BY THEM....

The eagles are not going anywhere, they are only going to get better from this trade. Skins, only going to stay mediocre as we haven't added any real young talent to this team in years.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

How can you say we are not in "win-now" mode when we just traded away 2 high draft picks for a 33-year old QB who himself is in "win-now" mode?

Mcnabb's big extension is right around the corner. Just watch. And if it's not, then it makes this move even more stupid b/c we basically would have given up 2 good picks for a 1 year rental in a rebuilding season.

The only way to salvage this move and say it's not "win-now" is if we can ship out guys like Landry, Rogers and Campbell and recoup some picks.

Then you can make the argument that when it's all said and done, we got a 2-3 year upgrade at QB without mortgaging the future.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

2 high draft picks? I mean a third is questionable, especially depending upon where we end up; a 4th is not a high draft pick.

Who cares what the QB's mind frame is. He wants to win, and is a leader and knows the offense.

At some point you have to figure that is better than a rook QB who could be a bust or JC who has endured so much.

And I expect them to recoup picks... but that is for people who can see the future. I am focusing on what I see in front of me.

So basically, I am saying why cry now when you dont know what is going on in the next coming weeks.

The first snap is a half year away. There is plenty time for other things.

Based upon face value, we got a potential HOF QB who is NOT past his prime, despite any argument to the contrary that others use to make their point, for a 2nd round draft pick... from a divisional foe.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 5, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

It's a little too soone to write their epitaph.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 5, 2010 3:11 PM

This is RI where nothing is too soon.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

If they don't offer him an extension, then we just traded 2 high draft picks away for a 1 year rental.

That would be even more stupid.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

i agree if that were the case p1funk...i don't think it is though.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"Before I get into the number of ways the Donovan McNabb deal will change personnel decisions around the NFL draft, one problematic trend continues: The Redskins simply do not have a lot of regard for draft choices.

How else can you put it? Just take that statement for what it is. It's not downplaying what kind of impact a player like McNabb can make in Mike Shanahan's system. It's simply a fact that aside from their No. 4 pick, the Skins have largely traded out of this draft. They now don't have any other picks within the top 100, and with the current crop of talent, that No. 37 pick the Eagles just picked up is practically a first-rounder. The McNabb pick-up may become a great success story in Washington, but the organization -- regardless of who has been in charge under Dan Snyder -- keeps kicking draft choices to the curb, and the roster has and will suffer. It's nice to pick up great players, but it's not the way to build a great team. You simply have to emphasize the draft." -ESPN


Point made. No point in saying anything else.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

There is none....Eagles will be irrelevant for atleast the next 2 years......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

And so will we.

And 2 years from now when the Eagles are hitting their stride for another decade of playoff appearances, we're gonna be scratching our heads wondering what to do post-McNabb and lamenting our roster's dearth of fresh young talent ready to hit it's prime.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 3:14 PM

It's like people become football illiterate from the last 11 years and actually think that trading away picks for aging potential HOF's is the best way to build a team. I guess they don't remember Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, or Jason Taylor.

The Eagles have 8 picks in the top 150 and we just added to that by making the same move that has plagued his for the last decade.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

When I first saw that the eagles were looking to trade Mcnabb, I couldn't wait to throw it in eagles fans faces. They never realized his value to THIER football team. I personally don't think the eagles will win more than 6 games this year they have gotten rid of to many people that were leaders(like Dawkins, westbrook, mcnabb)

But I saw Mcnabb to the skins my stomach sank. Is this still the same dysfunctional redskins? A team still ignoring there biggest needs? And How was I going to mock eagle fans if mcnabb is over the hill? You can see my dilema.

The verdict. If we can get a third or a second for JC = good trade. Or keep jc for backup and somhow trade down or get lucky pickin up other teams castoffs that are actually good and draft Okung.
Prediction. Not having to throw the ball on 80% of the snaps makes mcnabb an even better qb than he ever has been and the skins are competing for the playoffs which no matter how you slice it is better than the debacle that was last year.

Posted by: DG28 | April 5, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

No, because McNabb will still be playing well at 35 and Shanny will have identified our QB of the future by then.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 5, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse
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So we haven't had a franchise QB in 20 years and suddenly we are going to hit the jackpot twice in two years? Oh! Well when you put it like that...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Russell Okung will be a Lion next year. Book it.

Posted by: dcsween | April 5, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

If CP, LJ, and WP can catch the dump off screen pass like Brian Westbrook, why don't we just sign him to a one year incentives-based deal? That would really piss the iggles fans off.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 5, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

4thFloor --- and anyone else talking about the demise of the eagles

You realize they have more talent on their offense than we have on our entire team? Jackson, Maclin Avant, Mccoy, Celek, a decent Oline will all be more than enough to give Kolb the support he needs to play decently. Their defense had a tough year last year but their MLB is back from the IR and all the players have another year of experience.

Adding to that is the fact that they have draft picks and have proven that they are good at finding talent through the draft. Seeing as all of their stars in the past, Dawkins, Mcnabb, Westbrook, evne now Jackson, Mikel (their SS for those who dont know) Avant, Mccoy, Kolb are all drafted BY THEM....

The eagles are not going anywhere, they are only going to get better from this trade. Skins, only going to stay mediocre as we haven't added any real young talent to this team in years.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

First off...you just gave credit as a great QB to an unproven QB who had two starts and played well against the Saints and lost and then the chiefs and won. He has a lot to prove and is far from ready...there will be growing pains for sure...can he go 16 games at that level? can he stay healthy?

As far as Jackson...let's see how well and a threat he is without McNabb throwing to him....

The RB is also not a proven guy either...can he go 16 games and carry the load....can he stay healthy?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

mcNabb-Campbell-Grossman = depth

portis johnson parker = depth

2 positions upgrade on offense

draft LT, re-sign levi jones

3 postions upgraded

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I understand...but I am just not into worrying about that....i am a fan because it gives me pleasure...fun to hang out and tail gate with so many friends etc....Life is too short to let things like football make you upset or angry over things you cannot control :)

HAIL NATION

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Thats funny - my wife says that too. Maybe I do take it too seriously, but how can one person measure the impact the Saints have had in LA and the surrounding states.

See it might just be sports, but the role can be more than just entertainment. It can be religious. As a V-Tech grad, the hookies arent just my school, they give me and hundreds of thousands of people something to believe in.

Tailgating and having fun is great, but the community, the friends part, the bond = priceless.

I dont like the Dmac trade because I believe in JC and I dont like giving up picks.

Im also dissatisfied with how the signal callers have been treated by management. Ramsey had a horrible line, but im still convinced he could have been a good QB here. JC has a horrible line, and management has devalued him, but he has done more than Brunnel, both Johnson's, Matthews, Wuerffel ,T-beck, and collins were ever able to do in DC. He's started for 3 years. Yeah I pray that our Dmac situation can end up like the Vikes brett situation. I would love that Kind of action, but if it doesnt and it results in the same ol, then im about ready for us to draft some people so that my daughter can grow up a fan of a proud winning franchise. Not a franchise that won a couple more games.

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

The # of picks don't dictate your future.

The redskins have been trading away picks for what......over 35 years now?

History is good thing to know.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

One of the most interesting aspects of this story is that the Iggles preferred draft picks to Haynesworth.

Hmmmmm... a player the Skins just dropped $41 mil guaranteed on.

I'd say the man has something to prove this year.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The biggest loser in this trade is the grass at FedEx. With the Skins porous OL, McNabb's diminished mobility, and the 5-8 passes that McNabb throws into it, it's going to take a beating.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

When I first saw that the eagles were looking to trade Mcnabb, I couldn't wait to throw it in eagles fans faces. They never realized his value to THIER football team. I personally don't think the eagles will win more than 6 games this year they have gotten rid of to many people that were leaders(like Dawkins, westbrook, mcnabb)

But I saw Mcnabb to the skins my stomach sank. Is this still the same dysfunctional redskins? A team still ignoring there biggest needs? And How was I going to mock eagle fans if mcnabb is over the hill? You can see my dilema.

The verdict. If we can get a third or a second for JC = good trade. Or keep jc for backup and somhow trade down or get lucky pickin up other teams castoffs that are actually good and draft Okung.
Prediction. Not having to throw the ball on 80% of the snaps makes mcnabb an even better qb than he ever has been and the skins are competing for the playoffs which no matter how you slice it is better than the debacle that was last year.

Posted by: DG28 | April 5, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

QB was one of their biggest needs along with o line......gosh why can't anyone let this play out and say mcnabb...ok now we need o line...so lets see what they do next...let it play out before you hate and judge

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm honestly waiting for someone to tell me how this makes us a contending team? And if it doesn't why did we make the trade?

Posted by: peoplearestupid1
New coach = +3 wins
New QB= +3 wins
sta with me know 4 +3+3 equal possible playoff contention

Posted by: DG28 | April 5, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

DG28, Sorry i didn't mean to copy your post..that was meant for someone else...SORRY :0)

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm honestly waiting for someone to tell me how this makes us a contending team? And if it doesn't why did we make the trade?

Posted by: peoplearestupid1
New coach = +3 wins
New QB= +3 wins
stay with me know 4 +3+3 equal possible playoff contention

Posted by: DG28 | April 5, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

History is good thing to know.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:33 PM

You're exactly right.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Point made. No point in saying anything else.


Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 3:26 PM |

Thank the lord!!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

It's like people become football illiterate from the last 11 years and actually think that trading away picks for aging potential HOF's is the best way to build a team. I guess they don't remember Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, or Jason Taylor.

The Eagles have 8 picks in the top 150 and we just added to that by making the same move that has plagued his for the last decade.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 3:27 PM

Diesel, today we have one less pick this year than we had to start the day yesterday, but have upgraded the QB position. Good chance that we pick up a few more picks between now and the draft.

All I am saying is let's give BA/MS's plan a chance before we start running to the ledge about the future of this team. This is not DS/VC's plan, but BA/MS's plan.

For years we complained that we want FB people running the show. Now we have that and we are still complaining?

Best to take a wait and see stance than to step off of the ledge.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 5, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

One of the most interesting aspects of this story is that the Iggles preferred draft picks to Haynesworth.

Hmmmmm... a player the Skins just dropped $41 mil guaranteed on.

I'd say the man has something to prove this year.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

i think the eagles didn't like his contract and that is the problem

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

4thFloor --- and anyone else talking about the demise of the eagles

You realize they have more talent on their offense than we have on our entire team? Jackson, Maclin Avant, Mccoy, Celek, a decent Oline will all be more than enough to give Kolb the support he needs to play decently. Their defense had a tough year last year but their MLB is back from the IR and all the players have another year of experience.

Adding to that is the fact that they have draft picks and have proven that they are good at finding talent through the draft. Seeing as all of their stars in the past, Dawkins, Mcnabb, Westbrook, evne now Jackson, Mikel (their SS for those who dont know) Avant, Mccoy, Kolb are all drafted BY THEM....

The eagles are not going anywhere, they are only going to get better from this trade. Skins, only going to stay mediocre as we haven't added any real young talent to this team in years.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 3:23 PM


Only time will tell.....But I don't buy it....

They only made this move because too many people read some remark made by ALbert Einstein.

Was Einstein even alive to watch Football??!!? If he was, he would have told the Eagles they are idiots for applying the 'same' logic here....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

i disagree with it being the same ol same ol...they have not over paid for anyone in FA like in years past.....losing the 37th pick is not going to make or break the team...sorry don't agree with that at all

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:18 PM
------------------------------------------We can agree to disagree, Im just so ready for the skins to start building with young talent. We need more than a 3 year starter who might get us to the playoffs once. If i remember correctly we beat the Eagles twice the year before last with Zorn at wheel. So i dont buy into McNaab being that great, I buy into the fact that Philly was a good fit and a good team. I believe we are neither. Dont get me wrong i want us to be. Just dont see it. Is it wrong to ask for us to just have all seven picks in the draft for once. Even if they didnt overpay, we have no picks, and just bc you love the skins no matter who they f*uck on you with. Doesnt mean i cant think they are making all the same idiotic mistakes! Learn from your mistakes Danny, this isnt Six Flags Fuco!

Posted by: 4skin | April 5, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

skinsfan713- how does my handle reflect poorly on me? I think people are stupid. If you read a number of comments up here, you have to agree. Even outside of this blog, I feel people are stupid.... it does not reflect my personality just my belief that the average person is stupid...

Moving onto your arguments (and leaving my handle aside... since you bring it up everytime you post...) While I agree that Devin Thomas made strides, he also continued to show inconsistencies. I do not disagree that he has talent, but he is a knucklehead who many teammates have called out for acting immature over the last 2 years. My point isn't that he cannot improve, its just that it is risky to simply assume he will take the next step. He has shown just as much immaturity as he has improvement and it is tough to gauge how he will handle being our primary KR and most likely our starting flanker wr.

As to Malcom Kelly. I feel he has more talent than any wr on our team, yet even with an entire year focused on running better routes, he was still unable to produce proper, crisp routes and was unable to consistently get open. Again, he has the talent, but his INCONSISTENT results make me hessitent to simply state that he will bust out and become consistent.

ALbert, was yes a huge upgrade for our team. However, he spent as much time on the bench/ "being injured" and sucking oxygen as he did dominating. I do not deny what he did for us, but I do feel that he came in out of shape and was not nearly worth the 48 mil hes going to receive over the 4 years of his contract...

LL- I am actually a supporter of him. I feel he has all the talent in the world. Yes, I do understand how to form tackle. Wrap up, head up, drive through the player... however LL seems to always go for the big hit and as many people have said he struggled INSIDE THE BOX last year as well.. He's still young, but again inconsistent... theres a theme here...

CP- hmm Im not getting into the RBs on this team because its a waste of time.

Then we come to LONDON... Fletcher is awesome. I love him. He is a great ILB. All heart, drive, desire, talent. However, in a 3-4, the MLBs job is to take on guards, all 340 pounds of them, shed that and make the play. For a LB who is all of 5'10, it is difficult to do that. I am saying he is illconceived for a 3-4 scheme. It will be difficult for him to adjust. Can he do it? I dont know, but i do know he will put everything he has into it... that being said, it will be hard for him...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse


Only time will tell.....But I don't buy it....

They only made this move because too many people read some remark made by ALbert Einstein.

Was Einstein even alive to watch Football??!!? If he was, he would have told the Eagles they are idiots for applying the 'same' logic here....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Im so confused. What is your point floor?

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

The biggest loser in this trade is the grass at FedEx. With the Skins porous OL, McNabb's diminished mobility, and the 5-8 passes that McNabb throws into it, it's going to take a beating.

Posted by: Diesel44

Hey, can you let me know what time is
kickoff this coming Sunday, and whether the Redskins are home or away?


Regards,

Posted by: RedDMV | April 5, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

QB was one of their biggest needs along with o line......gosh why can't anyone let this play out and say mcnabb...ok now we need o line...so lets see what they do next...let it play out before you hate and judge

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse
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I don't need to jump off a bridge to have an inkling of 'how it's gonna play out'. McNabb will get his nipples blitzed off until someone can block for him.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

DG28, Sorry i didn't mean to copy your post..that was meant for someone else...SORRY :0)

Posted by: leevi98
I was wondering about that. Didn't think I was exactly spewing hatred for the skins.

Posted by: DG28 | April 5, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

McNabb will get his nipples blitzed off until someone can block for him.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 3:45 PM

Nipple blitz is 15-yard penalty this year.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

Round 1, Pick 24 (24)
Round 2 Pick 5 (37)
Round 2, Pick 23 (55)
Round 3, Pick 6 (70) (From Seahawks)
Round 3, Pick 23 (87)
Round 4, Pick 7 (105) (From Browns)
Round 4, Pick 23 (121)
Round 5, Pick 6 (137) (From Browns)
Round 6, Pick 31 (200) (From Colts)
Round 7, Pick 36 (243) (Compensatory
Round 7, Pick 37 (244) (Compensatory


This is insane.

How the eagles, like the pats, make the draft work for them, and not the other way around is a thing of beauty.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 5, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I do not see how this trade improves the Redskins beyond an 8-8, 9-7 team....

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 3:03 PM


If this trade did all that, I'm a supporter. I'm just afraid that we're giving up too much in a draft that's supposed to be deep with OL, when we've got 1 or 2 legit starters on our OL right now. Our running back cadre is suspect. I don't see 8 or 9 wins with our O-line in the condition it's in now.

Philly may have done us a favor declining Haynesworth and LL. Those players are both young and have gas in the tank!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Two thoughts, Alan4. I agree that we are better off trading #37 than AH or LL. But we don't know the entire deal there. It might have been AH for DM and a pick, we just don't know.

More importantly, how can this one deal make us an 8-8 or 9-7 team. Well, it isn't just this one trade. It's all the changes that have happened since 1/1/2010. Cerrato gone, JZ gone, an experienced head coach, a bright young OC, a change in DC, a new training format that should get players in better shape. In addition, remember 5 or 6 losses last year where we held the lead well into the 4th Q. Then having a proven QB like McNabb to control the game. We are clearly on a track to have a better record in 2010. How good? Stay tuned. HTTR.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 5, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't need to jump off a bridge to have an inkling of 'how it's gonna play out'. McNabb will get his nipples blitzed off until someone can block for him.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 5, 2010 3:45 PM |


Matt,

You never anwsered my question if you don't think we can upgrade the o-Line through the draft. Then where should we get o-linemen from and why do you care that we gave up a pick?

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

honking noise

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 5, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles are fine without McNabb because --unlike the Skins--they have history of selecting talent in the draft. They have a first rounder in Kolb and Vick as back up. Plus a bunch of young talent on offense like D. Jackson and Macklin. Anyone who thinks they are "rebuilding" is nuts.

It is the Skins who are couple years away.
The McNabb trade should be viewed as just one step in a process.

Let's see what picks they get for Campbell and anyone else who is moved in the few weeks before the draft.

Posted by: loux24 | April 5, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 5, 2010 3:37 PM

I agree we are better at QB. There is no doubt.

I was actually hoping the Eagles would hold on to McNabb so they wouldn't benefit from a top 42 pick and would have a log jam at QB. Instead we gave them more than they were initially looking for in return and actually strengthen a divisional opponent.

I have been pleased by the patience and what seemed to be a long-term plan to build for the future and this move is the exact opposite. If they were going to load up for a 2-3 window then they should have been more aggressive in FA and gone after the 5-7 players that were worthy (Dansby, Rolle, etc.). Instead we have a long-term plan in place to build a competitive roster but we just traded for and will give a FAT new contract to a short-term solution at QB.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Peoples I have to agree with Leevi98. Lets say our goodbyes to the passer who completed 64% of his passes and through 20 TD's (15 INTs though - 3 of which were Davis's fault) and welcome our new Helm leader who completed 60% of his passes and through for 22 TDs.

Welcome McNabb - We will value you more than the eagles did. (hopefully)

Goodbye JC - I just pray you dont end up in Oakland. Competing in Carolina isnt a bad setup.

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Lot of donkeys on this board.

peoplearestupid - thanks for writing books in every post. Makes it easy to skip over like periculum.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | April 5, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 5, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm finding it ultra hilarious that people have activated the the town emergency horn RE: the offensive line when there are FIVE months until September and they haven't drafted a single damn player yet...

BECASUE THEY HAVEN'T HELD THE DRAFT YET!


But typical RI posters, so indulged in their own opinions they can't even see the blatant logic in other opinions.


I really don't get how people just automatically assume that they're going to carry this same offensive line into the regular season.

Just like I can't understand how people are coming to the conclusion that Allen & Shanahan will make a trade giving up the 37th overall pick for an expiring contract and choose NOT to make an offer.

Or how everyone assumes that at the end of the coming season that it's a LOCK that McNabb will want to leave.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 5, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - 32
Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - 33
Mark Rypien, Redskins - 30
Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - 33
John Elway, Denver Broncos - 37
John Elway, Denver Broncos - 38
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 34
Drew Brees, NO Saints - 31
POINT IS???? McNabb is NOT washed up and too old. Posted by: leevi98
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Here's the problem those 49er and Bronco etc teams.. were all much better than the Redskins are now. So while the Skins build a contenter McNabb will be getting older and more beat up.. So by the time the Skins are good enough the only QB on the that list that will be older will be Elway.. and McNabb is no Elway.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 5, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Nipple blitz is 15-yard penalty this year.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 3:47 PM |
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Hands down the funniest thing on here today.

Posted by: 4skin | April 5, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

The front office can't be so blind they don't realize this team needs two tackles (one that can start at lt immediatly) and a ss. Otherwise we do have a playoff capable roster. So the #4 will sure up lt we can grab a castoff to compete with heyer. Then use some of that snyder money for darren sharper or anyone that can cover deep. If we can do those things why couldn't we be competing for the division and a good playoff run. Anyone?

Posted by: DG28 | April 5, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Only time will tell.....But I don't buy it....

They only made this move because too many people read some remark made by ALbert Einstein.

Was Einstein even alive to watch Football??!!? If he was, he would have told the Eagles they are idiots for applying the 'same' logic here....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:38 PM

Last year, you, psps23 and I believe BG were all saying how the Eagles would stink because (1) they lost their D-coord and safety, (2) their RB was fading, and (3) their pass catchers were young. What did they do? Compete for the division until the last game of the season and make the playoffs. Reid is still there and they have talent on both sides of the ball. It's good to know history.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 5, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Or how everyone assumes that at the end of the coming season that it's a LOCK that McNabb will want to leave.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 5, 2010 3:53 PM

We can only hope that he will want to leave. So maybe we can start building a team the right way for once.

Posted by: 4skin | April 5, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

leevi

"Is this still the same dysfunctional redskins? A team still ignoring there biggest needs?"


I too wonder if the move to add McNabb is another signal of dysfunction.

Most new coaches want to draft a starting quarterback, then spend 3-5 years training him up.

McNabb has already been trained.

You wonder if he can carry an offense replete with unproven recievers, 30 year old running backs, and a porious line.

He doesn't have a future as 11 seasons means his past of 5 NFC Championship games and 1 Super Bowl may not be duplicated.

And of the biggest redskins' need, fixing the offensive line, using a 2nd rounder to get McNabb cuts that effort to a degree as 2 top linemen would mean way more than 1 top quarterback.

I don't like the trade.

And I think it'll satisfy like the Haynesworth acquistion.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 5, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

The biggest loser in this trade is the grass at FedEx. With the Skins porous OL, McNabb's diminished mobility, and the 5-8 passes that McNabb throws into it, it's going to take a beating.

Posted by: Diesel44

Hey, can you let me know what time is
kickoff this coming Sunday, and whether the Redskins are home or away?

Regards,

Posted by: RedDMV | April 5, 2010 3:43 PM

Listen-

Don't cherry pick a post. Read what I've been writing.

I've said it several times that the season starts in 5 months and with that we are in the same boat as everyone else.

The only difference is that the Eagles, boys, and Ginas already have a more competitive roster and we only have 4 picks, the remaining dregs of FA, potential cuts, and undrafted FA to fill our numerous needs.

Now before you say it will take more than a year to fill our many needs and become competitive...I'll say exactly, that's why it doesn't make sense to have a short-term solution at QB when the roster is 2-3 years away from being competitive in the division.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

So go be a Pats eagles or steelers fan and call it a day

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Funny, you must think that the teams that are contenders are doing it wrong and we are doing it right. I mean it has worked so far right?? If youd rather have McShwaag than building our team through the draft you are as stupid as the FO. Really we need you gulable fans that buy into this crap every year to choose different teams and hope one day danny boy listens to us logical fans and takes a look at an organization that works. Thats all Im asking for. Do it the right way, its not rocket science if your way is broken, fix it!!!

Posted by: 4skin | April 5, 2010 3:15 PM |
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Let me ask you something: do you think great teams are built entirely through the draft? You seem to think this. Look at how Belichek has built the Patriots. Yes, he has a current collection of draft picks, but Moss, Welker and a handful of other players on their roster were not drafted by the Patriots. Last year they took a gamble on Shawn Springs. Belichek likes to sprinkle veterans among his rookies. It is about accumulating the right players, not about accumulating the youngest players. Shanahan is looking for a certain type of player. You can see that mentality show through with the guys who came to the park for auditions and left versus the guys he signed. You can see it also with the guys he is allegedly shopping around the league right now. He is trying to get the "I" out of team. He knows who the "me first" players are and they don't have a home with the Redskins. Say what you will about guys like McNabb and Larry Johnson, but no one ever said they weren't good teammates (except TO and I think we can give that one a miss).

Let me ask you this: How would the Redskins get a franchise quarterback? the guy on the roster had his opportunities and was largely ineffective. The top two QB draft picks carry a lot of questions with them. No one else was willing to give up a QB that had been to playoffs and Superbowls and had demonstrated an ability to lead. Take McNabb strengthens the Redskins while weakening a division foe. How can this be seen as a bad deal?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The front office can't be so blind they don't realize this team needs two tackles (one that can start at lt immediatly) and a ss. Otherwise we do have a playoff capable roster. So the #4 will sure up lt we can grab a castoff to compete with heyer. Then use some of that snyder money for darren sharper or anyone that can cover deep. If we can do those things why couldn't we be competing for the division and a good playoff run. Anyone?

Posted by: DG28 | April 5, 2010 3:54 PM


bc you cant just throw a bunch of stars together and expect it to work. a good team is not built through free agency. It takes chemistry and you dont get it with people just thrown together. Havent we done this before.

Posted by: 4skin | April 5, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Let me ask you this: How would the Redskins get a franchise quarterback? the guy on the roster had his opportunities and was largely ineffective. The top two QB draft picks carry a lot of questions with them. No one else was willing to give up a QB that had been to playoffs and Superbowls and had demonstrated an ability to lead. Take McNabb strengthens the Redskins while weakening a division foe. How can this be seen as a bad deal?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 4:01 PM | Report


What you forget to mention is that the Patriots didnt start adding big name free agents till they had a strong core of young talent and a SB caliber team. You add those player to fill gaps not to make you team as we have every year. I honestly would have rather seen Campbell get one more shot with a good line and good RB's and a good coach and pick up someone like Mccoy or Lefvour in the draft. I really think this is just prolonging the inevitable. We draft a good team and have FA to fill the gaps. Cant do that with 3-4 picks a year.

Posted by: 4skin | April 5, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"it's interesting that a solid majority of a team's fans would rather have a tackle many of them have never heard of than a quarterback who might be a longtime Pro Bowler."

It's not really that "interesting" when you grew up with a team that had a name for its offensive line like The Hogs did.

Is there any other team in NFL history with an offensive line like that? With a name for the unit like that? That fans still talk about?

One of 'em finally got into the Hall of Fame this year--I repeat, there isn't anything "interesting" about Redskins fans wanting to see some investment in an offensive line.

We know what we had in the past. We know what we've had in the Snyder era. There isn't anything "interesting" about a majority of Redskins fans wanting an offensive line. At all.

If the Redskins don't take a lineman or trade down and take two linemen, I'll be disappointed--again.

Posted by: Shultz86 | April 5, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

First of all, we ain't taken any Stinkin Cowboys!. Second Vicc is an Idiot!..Third wish you people would make up your mind about McNabb. Last year about this time when Vick joined the Eagles, there were talks on him coming here. Not one person in here wanted him, especially with Zorn, Vinny, and Snyder running things. Well Vinny and Snyder. Now we have Shannahan, and everyone thinks we're going to automatically go to the playoffs. Well unless we get Okung, and alot more help up front, McNabb will be a sitting Duck trying to throw out of a collapsed pocket. God forbid if he gets hurt and we have to rely on Rex to win games. As for throwing deep. That's going to be a new concept around here because Gibbs only threw deep maybe 2 times a game, and Zorn sorry a$$ of an offense with the BINGO CALLER wasn't much better. Can Thomas and Kelly even run deep routes? I wonder how many passes will Portis, Johnson, and Parker throw this year? Go ahead and send Jason to the Vikings and let him learn from Favre. That's the least this organization can do for him.

Posted by: WARPATH85 | April 6, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Peter King, you smug schmuck. We, The Redskins Faithful, have always been retartded, this is no revelation. Get the facts straight when commenting about are fanbsae

Posted by: jshoup5 | April 7, 2010 6:01 AM | Report abuse

"King praising anything washington... theres a FIRST"

Kiss of death for the deal. If king like it. It must be a really bad deal for the skins.

As I said before it not rebuilding, it's more flash in the pan stuff. A one year deal with Mcnabb getting a big payday and ending the season on IR, then a lock out season after which he will retire.

Beautifull for the eagles, they get the value of a a low first round pick, we get a one year player. Dumb Dumb dumb

Posted by: drpolarbear | April 8, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

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