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Posted at 11:34 AM ET, 12/17/2010

McNabb's agent on benching: 'It's beyond disrespectful'

By Jason Reid

Describing the Redskins' treatment of quarterback Donovan McNabb as "disrespectful," the perennial Pro Bowler's agent criticized the organization and Coach Mike Shanahan specifically Friday for his plan to bench McNabb in favor of backup Rex Grossman against the Dallas Cowboys.

"Disrespectful is probably not strong enough of a word," Fletcher N. Smith, McNabb's representative, said in a lengthy phone interview Friday. "Donovan has handled himself with nothing but class, not just in Washington but as an ambassador for the league. To treat him this way ... it's beyond disrespectful."

Shanahan and his son, Kyle, Washington's offensive coordinator, earlier this week made the stunning decision to start Grossman on Sunday at Cowboys Stadium, according to a person familiar with the situation. The move was first reported by Kelli Johnson of CSN Washington.

McNabb, acquired in a trade with Philadelphia Eagles on Easter Sunday, was coming off one of his best statistical performances of the season in lat week's 17-16 loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He had a 100.7 passer rating -- his second-highest of the season -- and two touchdown passes without an interception. In the final 3 minutes 39 seconds of the game, McNabb guided the Redskins on a 75-yard scoring drive, capping it with a six-yard touchdown pass to Santana Moss on fourth down. The Redskins botched the point-after attempt, which almost certainly would have extended the game to overtime.

In Week 8, the Shanahans benched McNabb in favor of Grossman late in a loss to the Detroit Lions. The move stirred concern in the locker room because McNabb is widely respected among his teammates for his accomplishments during a successful 12-year career, the first 11 seasons of which he spent with the Eagles.

The Shanahans were widely criticized in the NFL for their handling of the benching. And they continued to awkwardly attempt to explain their reasoning several days after the controversial move, causing further confusion in the locker room and frustration among the Redskins' fan base.

"I almost don't even know where to begin, but it really started with Detroit and it was just wrong the way Donovan was treated," Smith said. "Just the way Mike handled the whole situation in Detroit, and in almost every instance since that time, and this is, I guess, the culmination of that. I think it's ... again, it's beyond disrespectful."

On Nov. 15, McNabb signed a contract extension that guarantees him only $3.5 million and enables the team to release him, without owing him any future money, until the first regular-season game of the 2011 season. McNabb has told teammates he wants to finish his career in Washington and is committed to returning the Redskins to prominence.

But ever since the closing minutes in Detroit, it has seemed as if the Redskins, or at least the Shanahans, no longer are committed to him.

"What does the future hold? Well, without talking to him, I can't answer that question at this time," Smith said. "Obviously, we're going to have to sit down and digest the season at season's end. And we will, in due time, come to a decision.

"But at the end of the day, he has to live there [in Washington], he has to play there. And the decision, at the end of the day, is ultimately his. I can't answer that question on his behalf. But from my standpoint, I'm certainly not happy with what has transpired. If that is his decision, we're absolutely not happy with Mike's treatment or handling of Donovan. In this situation and in a lot of situations this season."

By Jason Reid  | December 17, 2010; 11:34 AM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb  
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Comments

Great Earl Campbell commercial, for you Oldies.

Would never happen now, ever.

http://www.casttv.com/video/37ybq11/earl-campbell-for-skoal-1980-video

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | December 17, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Guess we'll be drafting a QB in the first round now.

Posted by: shanteefamilee | December 17, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

McNabb's agent on benching: 'It's beyond disrespectful'

clown 1: I hear you're getting a promotion.

clown 2: Yeah, I just got hired by the Washington Redskins.

It seems they have the best circus in town.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell was a nice guy too...

Not about who is the best ambassador or classiest QB.

Do your job better and you don't get benched. End of story.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 17, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

A doosh who completes half his passes to people's feet that cannot fathom being replaced is what's beyond disrespectful to me.

Dude, I'm telling you, Rush wasn't completely off when describing this blind love and unconditional faith in McNabb.

I hope this is an effort to keep him in bubble-wrap for when we ship him to MN or AZ.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 17, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

This all just seems like a bad dream...wish my alarm clock would go off.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Who still thinks this is good for the team?

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"Disrespectful is probably not strong enough of a word," Fletcher N. Smith, McNabb's representative, said in a lengthy phone interview Friday. "Donovan has handled himself with nothing but class, not just in Washington but as an ambassador for the league. To treat him this way ... it's beyond disrespectful."


Hey, agent, his play for the Redskins this year has done nothing to earn him respect. What in the helll does "ambassador for the league" have to do with it?

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Diesel,

Big picture -- who is gonna want to come and play for Shanny? Guy has a God complex and isn't above alienating whoever he wants to in order to make a point. AH92 was probably deserved, albeit handled extremely poorly. McNabb hasn't had a good year, but again it isn't like he has an elite offensive line, many elite weapons, or a running game. Everyone else in the NFL realizes this...

People are watching this unfold and it looks bad on Shanahan and Shanny Jr. -- right, wrong or indifferent, it looks bad on them. If the report is correct and the locker room is divided and half the vets are pissed off, that's not a good thing.

In 5 years here, despite much of it being mediocre, Gibbs never lost the locker room. Guys always played hard for him. It's already possible Shanny has lost the locker room in 13 games...

Posted by: mattylight | December 17, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mattylight | December 17, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I think I'm finally done with this team.

Posted by: trezmartin | December 17, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Guess we'll be drafting a QB in the first round now

My money is on Ryan Mallett.

The guy is a Matt Schaub clone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

F McNabb
F his agent

If he was playing well this wouldn't have happened.

And yes there are 40 other QBs in the league that would be successful with the right supporting cast. McNabb was brought in to elevate this offense and HE'S FAILED.

Blame McNabb.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line: If the coaches really think Rex might be an improvement over McNabb, then there is no way they'll bring McNabb back next year for 12 million, unless McNabb is presently suffering from an injury. So McNabb and his agent have nothing to worry about. He'll be free to sign wherever he wants, and based on his current play he can expect to take a big pay cut.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | December 17, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is doing everything to turn attention away from the inept job he is doing as coach.

Posted by: iubiquity | December 17, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

McNabb has not been good. If we had a good backup fine but Rex Grossman? F you Shanahan. This franchise is a joke and it is never gonna change.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | December 17, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

.. and so, our march to the playoffs has begun.

Posted by: daggar | December 17, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I think it just killed one of my sock puppets!!!

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 11:39 AM

Scared me monk...thought it was me for a second!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Rex will get pummeled this weekend and then we can all sing our Christmas Carol: "No OL, No OL, born is King of Dis-ma-l !!!"

Posted by: terptek | December 17, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

For those of you that think this is stupid, stop and think for a moment. The Redskins have absolutely nothing to lose with this move. They have McNabb under contract so if Grossman flames out then they just go back to Donovan. If Rex does well then they have options for next year. The writing on the wall is not Donovan or Rex, it is a young quarterback. Both current QB's are just temporary solutions.

Posted by: hateisnotafamilyvalue | December 17, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

You Shananhan supporters, please raise your hands...can't be many (if any) of you anymore.

Shanahan must want to be fired...maybe he thinks they will take him back in Denver.

I say "Fire him now!"

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 17, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Benching McNabb doesn't bother me. Benching McNabb for Rex Grossman, does. That is beyond stupid. If you looked up "Abject NFL Failure of a Quarterback" on Wikipedia, you'd see a picture of Rex's face.

Posted by: nuzuw | December 17, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell was a nice guy too...

Not about who is the best ambassador or classiest QB.

Do your job better and you don't get benched. End of story.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 17, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. You can be a big D0uche, but if your playing well, you arent getting benched.

Unless your name is Haynesworth.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | December 17, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

People are watching this unfold and it looks bad on Shanahan and Shanny Jr. -- right, wrong or indifferent, it looks bad on them. If the report is correct and the locker room is divided and half the vets are pissed off, that's not a good thing.

In 5 years here, despite much of it being mediocre, Gibbs never lost the locker room. Guys always played hard for him. It's already possible Shanny has lost the locker room in 13 games...

Posted by: mattylight | December 17, 2010 11:42 AM

I'm not worried about the locker being divided (if it is) because this is the least talented roster in the NFL. It needs to be blown up.

It sends a message...Play well or play somewhere else.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe people are upset with the Shanny's decision to bench McNabb. Have you people watch films and practices of McNabb?
He is awful. Shanny and Kyle definitely watched films and made a tough decision so you should respect the decision.

I am fully supportive of Shanny and he should cut players are not behind his decision. Players should respect the coach's decision.

we are definitely heading in the right direction.

Can someone please provide the names of the players who are against the decison?

Posted by: jkang1 | December 17, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

mcnabb throws more bounce passes than john wall

grossman is just another bama qb in a long line of redskin bama ass qb's from the last 2 decades

I'm gonna apologize to Slingin' Sammy Baugh for this pathetic mess we are in

Sorry Sammy

HAIL

Posted by: retroskins14 | December 17, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

F McNabb
F his agent

If he was playing well this wouldn't have happened.

And yes there are 40 other QBs in the league that would be successful with the right supporting cast. McNabb was brought in to elevate this offense and HE'S FAILED.

Blame McNabb.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 11:45 AM

In the long run, I'd love to see McNabb have a successful run in the DC. However, the bottom line is that he isn't playing well. I heard Greg Cossell on ESPN980 yesterday. He said that even when McNabb has time he's missin open WR. He used the end of the 1st half last week as an example. The play in the red zone was designed to go to the bunch formation side. It worked. Cooley was wide open in the end zone. Except, McNabb went to the other side and threw a pass to K WIlliams who luckily dropped the ball. Because of the drop, the Skins were able to get a FG, but the TD was a blown opportunity,

Posted by: TWISI | December 17, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

if it's true that McNabb wasn't told until the decision was leaked elsewhere, I don't care how bad he's played, that's disrespectful.

Posted by: JoeT1 | December 17, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

The big concern about starting Rex is that he'll get killed in the pocket, not complete any passes and commit a bunch of turnovers.

Considering that's what our season long starter has done, I'm not that concerned.

Top 10, here we come!

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 17, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I say "Fire him now!"

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 17, 2010 11:50 AM

Now that's funny. Good one Lisa...

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I think I'm finally done with this team.

Posted by: trezmartin | December 17, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

People crack me up. A TRUE Redskins fan will support the team in the good times and bad. Sure, there's been more bad than good lately, but the NFL's a boonerang, it'll come back around!

Just chill out and give them a chance, and if you are trully done with this team, then don't let the blog door hit your ass on the way out now!!!

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Can someone please provide the names of the players who are against the decison?

Posted by: jkang1 | December 17, 2010 11:53 AM

1. Donovan McNabb
2. Rex Grossman
3. John Beck
4.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

If he was playing well this wouldn't have happened.

I'd tie the benching to Chris Cooley's comments earlier this week.

Cooley said that in the Bucs' game, he was open, but for some reason, the ball didn't come his way.

All season long, various play-by-play announcers have stated that when McNabb has had time to throw, he's missed open receivers, or thrown the ball off the mark.

The Giants'/Vikings' games were emblematic of this.

Perhaps CC is too polite to it, but anyone could read this into his statements---I was open, but didn't the ball.

And with that happening consistently, there's only one guy to blame: McNabb

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"You've turned into the most negative poster on RI. Congrats, you're now in pabrain territory"


Was this serious?? When the Redskins played them the first time the offense scored 6 points, with a superior qb, and the other team was managed by an idiot. They've now gotten rid of the idiot coach, and the redskins are starting an inferior qb...so yeah, not sure what I was thinking....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

McNabb was brought in to elevate this offense and HE'S FAILED.

Blame McNabb.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 11:45 AM


That's the point, dude...to think that ANY QB could thrive in what McNabb has had to work with is nothing short of batsh*t crazy. So unless you can get the real JC (and I don't mean Jason Campbell) to play here, I don't see where it's reasonable to expect Grossman or anyone else to do well.

F*ck it...what's the point anymore...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

McNabb's agent is doing everything to turn attention away from the inept job he is doing as quarterback.

Posted by: JohnnyBlades | December 17, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I think those criticizing Shanahan are blinded by the luxury of only having to watch McNabb suck once a week.

And congratulations, Fletcher N. Smith, YOU have made it official: your client is out of a job.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | December 17, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

In the long run, I'd love to see McNabb have a successful run in the DC. However, the bottom line is that he isn't playing well. I heard Greg Cossell on ESPN980 yesterday. He said that even when McNabb has time he's missin open WR. He used the end of the 1st half last week as an example. The play in the red zone was designed to go to the bunch formation side. It worked. Cooley was wide open in the end zone. Except, McNabb went to the other side and threw a pass to K WIlliams who luckily dropped the ball. Because of the drop, the Skins were able to get a FG, but the TD was a blown opportunity,

Posted by: TWISI | December 17, 2010 11:54 AM

I heard that interview too. Cossell is great and I wish he had his own show. He breaks down the game as well as anyone.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe people are upset with the Shanny's decision to bench McNabb. Have you people watch films and practices of McNabb?
He is awful. Shanny and Kyle definitely watched films and made a tough decision so you should respect the decision.


Posted by: jkang1 | December 17, 2010 11:53 AM

It's not just his decision to bench McNabb... it was also his decision to BRING HIM IN. And give away 2 draft picks to get him... (unless Snyder's still pulling the strings.)

What could Shanahan learn about McNabb this season that he didn't get from watching his previous 11 years of game film? He should have known what he was getting.

This doesn't speak well of Shanahan's personnel moves, no matter how you slice it.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I say "Fire him now!"

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 17, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

And promote Donovan to player/HC. Should we give him GM duties as well or do you think you can cover that?

I'll give you benefit of doubt and assume you already started tailgating.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 17, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

You Shananhan supporters, please raise your hands...can't be many (if any) of you anymore.

Shanahan must want to be fired...maybe he thinks they will take him back in Denver.

I say "Fire him now!"

--------------------------

That's what we said w/zorn, so yes, let's fire this coaching staff. Then next year, when we are unhappy with the coaching decisions and playcalling we will fire that coaching staff. Repeat in 2012, 2013, etc.

No way should a coaching staff be given more than one year if they are not going to WIN NOW.

Sheesh, get a grip people.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 17, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen has a McNabb trade lined up for the offseason.

Book it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 17, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Why is it everywhere I look I see first reported by Kelli Johnson Comcast Sportsnet...and the rest of the article is pretty much a copy of another I mean PFT, WP, ESPN do any of you/your writers do their own writing or do you all just get paid to copy a story from another source??? I would expect to have better/more information coming from the local sports media yet it never happens.

Posted by: papaskynz | December 17, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I dont have an issue with what the Shanahan(s) benching Mcnabb, (although they could've done it in more of a classy way). What i do have an issue is WHY DO WE GIVE UP A 2nd and a 3RD for McNabb, and give up a 3rd for Jamal Brown??? If Shanahan and Allan Want to rebuild why are they wasting picks? This is not different than the old regime with Vinny Cereto. We could have had Colt McCoy and Nate Allen this year. This is how you rebuild...... through the draft.

Posted by: kishorekumar_g20 | December 17, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I think it just killed one of my sock puppets!!!

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 11:39 AM

Scared me monk...thought it was me for a second!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, good thing, you still have to raise a billion dollars to buy the team so I can work with the cheerleaders!!!

Based on this new info, is your prediction still 24-20?

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Mike Florio and Chris Mortenson had the story first not Kelli Johnson.

Posted by: LeeHinAlexandria | December 17, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen has a McNabb trade lined up for the offseason.

Book it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 17, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

The veterans in the locker room are mad because they realize they are next!!! Hello! You are 5-8! I can't even count how many times McNabb has missed wide open receivers this year! Grossman might not be the answer but McNabb isn't either. Get rid of all the old players and lets move forward with discipline! Andy Reid is being called a genius now for getting rid of McNabb!

Posted by: Redskinintexas | December 17, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I dont have an issue with what the Shanahan(s) benching Mcnabb, (although they could've done it in more of a classy way). What i do have an issue is WHY DO WE GIVE UP A 2nd and a 3RD for McNabb, and give up a 3rd for Jamal Brown??? If Shanahan and Allan Want to rebuild why are they wasting picks? This is not different than the old regime with Vinny Cereto. We could have had Colt McCoy and Nate Allen this year. This is how you rebuild...... through the draft.

Posted by: kishorekumar_g20 | December 17, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

What a cartoonishly stupid franchise.

Personally, I don't think McNabb is the answer, but if the Skins do, how can you bench him now? And if you don't believe in him, why in the hell would you bench him -- knowing that you're trashing his trade value?

Again, the Snyder-Skins specialize in stupid.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | December 17, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

they're trying to keep his season passing yards down, as they are on pace to top 4,000. this franchise is not cursed, it is controlled by a revolving cast (with one constant pole star) of incompetents.

shanahan is physically incapable of smiling without looking like his face will crack.

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | December 17, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Just chill out and give them a chance, and if you are trully done with this team, then don't let the blog door hit your ass on the way out now!!!

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 11:57 AM

I'm sure gonna miss good 'ole Trez.

Hey...where is hess...everyone's waiting on the edge of their seat for him to weigh in on this breaking news!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Don’t they usually have noon pressers? So far it’s all just rumored from sources “close to the situation”, right? I want to hear what the Shanny’s have to say about all this.

This brings to mind how many sources there were saying Haynesworth wasn’t going to show up for training camp……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 17, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Don't hate on Rex Grossman until he actually does something in a Redskins uniform to deserve it. McNabb didn't get the job done and now the tryouts for next year begin. If Grossman stinks it up, he might be the one not coming back next year. If he lights it up then maybe McNabb will be looking for a new ambassador's job. (BTW, what offense uses the "ambassador" position?)

In the game, look for Grossman to have a better rapport with guys like Banks, Armstrong, Davis and Austin than Moss and Cooley since as a second string QB he has thrown to those guys a lot more. Maybe we'll finally see Terrence Austin make a reception in a regular season game.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 17, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 11:58 AM

It's like you wake up every morning and eat lemons and then spread you bitterness all over this board.

Yes- this team sucks. There is not a person that would argue but if you don't believe me about your downward spiral into negativity then go back and read your last 2000 posts.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Wake me up when we get a GM that hires a good coach instead of the other way around...F me for thinking this sh*t could work...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Mike Florio and Chris Mortenson had the story first not Kelli Johnson.

Posted by: LeeHinAlexandria | December 17, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

She must have blew them for the recognition! Why do you think her last name is 'Johnson'?

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

if you don't believe in him, why in the hell would you bench him -- knowing that you're trashing his trade

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | December 17, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse


I'd say letting him continue to play would trash his trade value.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 17, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is garbage. Shanahan I & II are garbage. Redskins are garbage. Since there is so much blame to go around, how bout blaming JKC for not keeping the team in the family. This organization is a laughing stock. Memories are all we have and will have for some time to come. Jump on the Ravens bandwagon.

Posted by: jamesbrown_923 | December 17, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Based on this new info, is your prediction still 24-20?

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 12:01 PM

Yes...once I lock in my prediction...I can't change it...for the entire season.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Kyle Shanahan - "Who's Your Daddy?"

Donovan, this is about messing with Mike's boy - LOL....wow. In any other context this would be nepotism gone awry. Sunday's score: Dallas 85, Washington 2 (Grossman gets hurt. McNabb will refuse to go in.)

Posted by: george_w_bush0 | December 17, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please provide the names of the players who are against the decison?

Posted by: jkang1

Here you go....minus Grossman's name..

http://www.redskins.com/team/

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 17, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000

Hey, Gatorskinzz2000 - Don't take me there...I remember this commercial (I want to say it was made in the '70's..because tobacco commercials were banned in the 80's)

Think I'll play some TOUCH!!! SKOAL BROTHER...Awww, Man, I must old..LOL

Posted by: clifton3 | December 17, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

This is @*(%&!!!! Are you kidding me? Yeah, maybe McNabb hasn't been awesome this year, but who do you think would have been better? Brady would have sucked on this team this year!! And fine, lets say that they feel McNabb is not the right fit, or whatever. If you want to trade the guy and get maximum value back, YOU DON'T BENCH HIM WITH 3 GAMES LEFT IN A LOSING SEASON!! Unbelievable!!! I've been a Skins fan since I was a little guy living in NY among Giants and Jets fans. I never waivered in all these years, but this is getting out of hand now. I hate these damn coaches that think they are God. I'm starting to hate this Shanahan hire now. We should have gotten a tough, humble coordinator that was hungry for the job and the desire to win. Wow... I can't even think right now.

Posted by: johntaylor2 | December 17, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

McNabb's agent failed miserably by bringing a 34 yr old former pro-bowler to the Skins in the 1st place. They were probably going for a quick payday from Snyder and thinking if it didn't work out there would be opportunities next year. Unfortunately, McNabb couldn't perform at all with no talent on offense. Now he's lost a lot of bargaining power with other teams.

Posted by: Chigliak | December 17, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Jump on the Ravens bandwagon.

Posted by: jamesbrown_923 | December 17, 2010 12:06 PM

Go jump in a lake.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen has a McNabb trade lined up for the offseason.

Book it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 17, 2010 12:01 PM

Hope you're right...that's the ONLY logical explanation for benching him in favor of a guy who figures to be an epic disaster for a team with no line and no playmakers...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

This team is a joke!!

Even though McNabb hasn't had one of his better years behind a terrible line and with everyone learning a new offense how can ANYONE even fathom that Rex Grossman is a better option???

The real problem is that Shannahan is trying to deflect any blame on Kyle for the poor offensive performance from this team all year. His play calling has been suspect, and the team still doesn't seem to know the offense. Nepotism is alive and well at Redskins Park!!

Watch the excuses from Shannahan when Rex Grossman completely blows up this week against Dallas. It will NEVER be Kyle's fault and certainly not his. I guess he'll find a way to blame #5.

Posted by: Kolchak | December 17, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"but if you don't believe me about your downward spiral into negativity then go back and read your last 2000 posts"

wtf...are you being serious d, cuz I can't tell...

here, let me remind you, as you stated this team sucks..but on top of that:

They've brought in a qb at the cost of a 2nd and a 4th, and all indicators are that he'll probably leave after this season...we ripped vinny for doing this 3 years ago...but I guess we should have been happy about it happening again...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

3 picks, 7 sacks, for the Pukes, redskins score 10 points, mostly in garbage time once the game is LONG out of reach...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 11:24 AM

You've turned into the most negative poster on RI. Congrats, you're now in pabrain territory.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010

And You've turned in to the most oblivious poster on RI. Congrats, you're now in Larry Michael territory.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen has a McNabb trade lined up for the offseason.

Book it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 17, 2010 12:01 PM

Second that, and I predict Minnesota. Favre's out, Jackson isn't that great/has injury issues. Ready to regain some draft picks.

Redskins fans, face it. We got duped by Philly. They knew McNabb was old news, and so they went with Vick, and look at the season they're having. Meanwhile we're stuck with their trash and could possibly end up in the NFC East basement (again).

I'd much rather draft a fresh QB and watch him grow in our offense than watch McNabb and his fast-approaching expiration date. Look at Flacco or Bradford. Maybe not the picture of consistency, but at least they're bringing young life into their franchises.

Posted by: Unloadvegas | December 17, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

This culminates in the first Dallas vs. Redskins game in my 38+ yrs as a Skins fan that I honestly couldn't care less. Diehard=Dillusional.

Merry Christmas, Everyone. See you in April. maybe.

Posted by: DCV1 | December 17, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"Big picture -- who is gonna want to come and play for Shanny?"

Certainly not overpriced free agents looking to cash a $nyder check and then playing like dog poop. Guys who think they deserve respect for what they've done, not for what they're doing.

Wanna know who's going to want and come and play for Mike Shanahan? Guys you've NEVER even heard of, who want a chance to prove themselves in this league. Hungry and starving for a chance to earn the right to be an NFLer. Guys who will fight for one another, and not be worried about how much the other is making.

If this means no more worthless free agents want to come to Washington, than I fall prostrate at the feet of the Shanahans and sing with praise, Hail to the Shananhans!!

Posted by: Ve1ostrummer | December 17, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Wake me up when we get a GM that hires a good coach instead of the other way around...F me for thinking this sh*t could work...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 12:06 PM

So the final straw is the benching of a QB that you have shown unconditional love for all season? There are 40 QBs in the NFL that could play well with a great supporting cast. Once again, the goal of bringing McNabb here was for him to elevate this roster. He has failed.

"Sign VJax", "I've given up on Shanahan", "this will never work"...

I guess you haven't learned anything in the last 10+ years. It's going to take more than 10 months to undo the last 10 years.

Step away from RI and goto youporn.com and come back refreshed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen has a McNabb trade lined up for the offseason.

Book it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 17, 2010 12:01 PM


Hope you're right...that's the ONLY logical explanation for benching him in favor of a guy who figures to be an epic disaster for a team with no line and no playmakers...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 12:12 PM

And McNabbs agent knows nothing about this?

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

what's incredible is giving the eagles our 2nd round and 4th round picks on what was apparently a hunch - and with the short term in mind

now they want to start the human interception machine against dallas?

when grossman gets pressured he lobs the ball in the general vicinity of a player - any player...he thinks that's being decisive.

what's next!?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 17, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

long overdue

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 17, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"On Nov. 15, McNabb signed a contract extension that guarantees him only $3.5 million and enables the team to release him, without owing him any future money, until the first regular-season game of the 2011 season." WHO IN THE H3LL PROOFREADS FOR THE POST ANYMORE? THE WORDING OF THIS PASSAGE IS ENTIRELY TOO CONFUSING...

Posted by: ntlekt | December 17, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Where do people get this idea Shanahan has lost a locker room?? like what player quote make you even think this. Last year McNabb was playing for the Eagles, now you guys treat him like he's been our franchise QB for ten years. Frankly he hasn't earned any adoration and even in the rain at FedEx last week I could see that he had a big part in our offensive ineptitude.

Like one commenter said, you sign the guy to a contract and maybe a desperate Arizona makes the trade for him, maybe giving us what we gave up for him. Worst case we lose the draft picks and cut him. This staff has ALWAYS been higher on Rex Grossman and now they are just using the law of sunk costs with their evaluations. I tell you one thing, the Shanahans will not take the fall losing some other persons way, and since they have full control, thats just not happening. If Sexy Rexy is what they want let them do what they want. We wanted a resumed coach that would do it his way, stop whining, you got it, we werent supposed to be good this year, when its all said and done we will know who to blame and it wont be the guy cutting the checks, it will be Mike Shanahan. Let the guy do his job and we can just judge the results.

Posted by: raybell84 | December 17, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Blow the whole team up if you ask me. They all suck.

Posted by: Scoonie97 | December 17, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen has a McNabb trade lined up for the offseason.

Gosh, how many teams are going to want McNabb? If a team is using Rex Grossman over him, how good could he be?

A QB at the end of his career that will want a big contract and that you'll have to start?

Not many teams - if any - want to take that on.

And what will you get?

This team used to be 3-5 years away. Now it's more than 4-6.

What a mess.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Dude, why do you even bother following the team? And what do you have against Shanahan? Is it his success that makes you jealous?

People like you sit back and mock and criticize everything and accomplish nothing yourself. It's pitiful.

Bringing Mcnabb in was a calculated risk and many respected NFL personnel people hailed it as a coup when it happened. It does not speak ill of Shanahan or Allen's personnel skills, WTF are you talking about?

We had a chance to bring a winning, respected veteran QB in with the hope that it would stabilize things in a transition period. There is a long term plan here, just because you are too blind to see it says more about you than the organization.


OK, it did not work out. But it's not like we mortgaged our future. a 2 and a 4 so be it. And we may get something for him in a trade anyway.

Again, if you are so mortified at what Shanahan is doing, why not root for another of team?

Rant over.


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure this move is just a step toward bringing stability and unquestioned commitment to returning the Redskins to greatness. If fans can just hang in there a bit longer, you'll see their master plan blossom.

Meanwhile, to patch up another self-inflicted wound, watch them trade a 2nd round pick to the Vikings for Brett Favre.

Posted by: yo_tamon | December 17, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

for those who think there is a trade lined up, what POSSIBLY could the team be getting back for #5....being totally serioius, we get at best a 4-5th round pick....so there you go, we rented him for a year at the cost of a 2nd rounder.... and now have to use one of the very FEW picks they're left with, on a qb.

I'm wicked psyched....I can hahdly control my enthusiasm.......cuz good teams continually waste 2nd rounders on 1 year rentals....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44, I can't help wondering if you would have offered this vigorous of a defense had Vinny been behind these same moves.

And you gotta admit... this move looks very Jason Taylor-esque right now, but worse because our offense is already so putrid.

At least he defense was OK with or without Taylor.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Guess we'll be drafting a QB in the first round now.

Posted by: shanteefamilee | December 17, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Not really hommie, last I check you have no first rounder this coming draft so in a sense skins are focked!

Posted by: Incognito00 | December 17, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

now they want to start the human interception machine against dallas?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 17, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey don't forget, he's still our 2-minute-drill specialist!

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey, you always want to end on a high note, right? So they did McNabb a favor -- his final drive last week was one of his best all year. Sadly, it was one of few drives this year where his performance could really be called good.

And had he not played poorly throughout the previous 57 minutes of the game, missing open guys, throwing at guys' feet, skipping balls off the turf (because of poor technique, from a 12-year vet), hitting defenders in the hands, the Skins probably aren't in the position of having to tie the score before the clock runs out.

You play poorly, you sit, and next man up takes your place.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

What's the uproar about. Playoff hopes are dashed, McNabb has not distinguished himself. Why not put Rexy in, not just to evaluate the QB position, but everyone else on the offense. We might be able to find out where the problem really is. It's not like he's not getting a paycheck for riding the pine in a semi-meaningless game. BTW if we sweep the Cowgirls, I consider the season a step forward.

Posted by: Eradicator | December 17, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

You Shananhan supporters, please raise your hands...can't be many (if any) of you anymore.

Shanahan must want to be fired...maybe he thinks they will take him back in Denver.

I say "Fire him now!"
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Both hands in the air. This is not a playoff game. This is a game between two teams who will miss the playoffs. The 'Skins need to figure out if they're drafting a QB or not next year. And, can Grossman do the job on a temporary basis? If he can they can trade McNabb (Minn. will give them a fourth for him) admit they made a mistake trading two draft picks for him and move on. If not, keep Mc Nabb.

It's evaluation time. Calm down.

Posted by: PS7900 | December 17, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness we have Reid to keep us informed and up to date. I was just sitting here saying to myself: "Boy, I sure wonder what McNabb's agent thinks about all of this."

And what's the over/under on when we get D Hall's take? Fifteen minutes?

Posted by: NYPDee | December 17, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Guess the Skins are positioning themselves to get a better chance of drafting Cam Newton. Probably trade away their entire 2011 and 2012 draft class to Carolina for it.

Posted by: vmrg1974 | December 17, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

You Shananhan supporters, please raise your hands...can't be many (if any) of you anymore.

Shanahan must want to be fired...maybe he thinks they will take him back in Denver.

I say "Fire him now!"
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Both hands in the air. This is not a playoff game. This is a game between two teams who will miss the playoffs. The 'Skins need to figure out if they're drafting a QB or not next year. And, can Grossman do the job on a temporary basis? If he can they can trade McNabb (Minn. will give them a fourth for him) admit they made a mistake trading two draft picks for him and move on. If not, keep Mc Nabb.

It's evaluation time. Calm down.

Posted by: PS7900 | December 17, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

what POSSIBLY could the team be getting back for #5....being totally serioius, we get at best a 4-5th round pick....

Yep, probably a conditional pick at that.

Add QB to the list of holes to fill.

Lots of holes, few picks.

I'm a fan but let's be realistic about what's going on. This team is completely without direction.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

McNabb has not been, & is not now, the problem. This team (not gonna call them Redskins, they haven't earned it) has:
-no O line
-1 undersized running back
-no receivers
not to mention:
-no D line
-old linebackers (& the ones that aren't too old, are playing out of position)
-1 cornerback
-1 safety.
That's it. Not much. But, somehow, the answer is to bench the QB.
Tried to give Shanahan benefit of doubt, but no longer. Lousy game plans, lousy play calling, lousy coaching (if any), lousy personnel decisions. Snyder, once again, screwed it up: you hire the GM first, & let the GM hire the coach. Not the other way around. Between Shanahans & Allen, the Shannys should go. Let Allen hire the coach, if he can persuade anyone worth a d@mn to come to DC.

Shanahan did not fix the O line, but gave up draft picks in not doing it. Now, we'll waste a first-round pick on a QB, not an O lineman. No 2nd rounder. The O line will, once again, suck next year.
This team had made some progress, but has backslid for a month now. Net result: no progress this season. Another wasted year.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | December 17, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

They've brought in a qb at the cost of a 2nd and a 4th, and all indicators are that he'll probably leave after this season...we ripped vinny for doing this 3 years ago...but I guess we should have been happy about it happening again...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 12:16 PM

I was against the trade when it happened. Everybody but a few of the dopes up here knew that we were more than a 34 YR old QB away from being competitive.

Like Bobby Knight said..If rape is inevitable, then why not lay back and enjoy it. I'm enjoying it knowing that this team will finally be blown up.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

last I check you have no first rounder this coming draft

try checking again there chief.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I blame Shanny more for getting Rex as a backup then for getting McNabb. Skins took a shot with McNabb and it hasn't worked out, but it was worth a try.

What have you got in Rex? Nothing.

Posted by: glennrc | December 17, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

ntlekt, whats hard to understand about that? We just gave him an extra 3.5mil on his contract this year and signed him long term. However, we can release him anytime from the end of the season until the start of the season without owing him anything extra.

Im guessing once the Offseason hits we will try to trade him somewhere but if nothing happens then we will release him before the season starts and then we owe nothing. Its actually a great deal. In one respect no team wants to trade for his big future contract when they know we will release him anyways but on the other hand, we can hold onto him so long that no team also wants to wait until a day before the season starts to sign him because then its too late to learn the system.

As long as we get the pick(s) back that we traded for him then Im fine with everything. We took a shot, he sucked, it didnt workout, and now you move on. The only bad thing is that they shouldve gave Rex a shot while we still had a chance at the playoffs. Rex sucks in any other system but in this one he may be just like Collins is to Al Saunders system

Posted by: dlts2041 | December 17, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Lisa R wrote:
You Shananhan supporters, please raise your hands...can't be many (if any) of you anymore.

Shanahan must want to be fired...maybe he thinks they will take him back in Denver.

I say "Fire him now!"
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Both hands in the air. This is not a playoff game. This is a game between two teams who will miss the playoffs. The 'Skins need to figure out if they're drafting a QB or not next year. And, can Grossman do the job on a temporary basis? If he can they can trade McNabb (Minn. will give them a fourth for him) admit they made a mistake trading two draft picks for him and move on. If not, keep Mc Nabb.

It's evaluation time. Calm down.

Posted by: PS7900 | December 17, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Donovan Mcnabb is 5-8 as a starter. This team needs to rebuild. Young quarterback and offensive line are needed. 34 year old broken down aurterback is not needed.

Posted by: kidwell38 | December 17, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

You all act like a bunch of big babies. Most of you are the same people who ranted about McNabb throwing his "bounce passes". You know the team has been mathematically eliminated and yet you naively think the team will just continue to play the same struggling old guys week after week? Really? You think the coach is a moron for trying out players that are on the bubble for next year?

Let's all just step out of the kingdom of Irrationalivania and look at this objectively for a minute. The team's record is 5-8 and they have been led to that record by McNabb. The team is not going to the playoffs. They have questions at quarterback. How would you propose they start to find answers?

Not saying Grossman is the answer, but wouldn't it be nice to know for sure that he wasn't?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 17, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Chunky Soup people knew about this?

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

And what's the over/under on when we get D Hall's take? Fifteen minutes?

Posted by: NYPDee | December 17, 2010 12:25 PM

He's really quieted down since he made the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Not really hommie, last I check you have no first rounder this coming draft so in a sense skins are focked!

Posted by: Incognito00

Obviously you have been living in a cave or Siberia. We have both 1st and 2nd round picks.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 17, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

As McNabb said Wednesday, it would have been unprofessional not to have told him by midweek. It was unprofessional to pretend to fans that he was being given a long contract that we soon learned was a fake. And as for Campbell, he never will be a great quarterback, but he is doing fine at Oakland. I never thought I would see the day when the Redskins are more dyfunctional than Al Davis

Posted by: jhough1 | December 17, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Incognito00 = idiot.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 17, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Not really hommie, last I check you have no first rounder this coming draft so in a sense skins are focked!

Posted by: Incognito00

Obviously you have been living in a cave or Siberia. We have both 1st and 2nd round picks.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 17, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"Like Bobby Knight said..If rape is inevitable, then why not lay back and enjoy it"

wow...um...you're kidding right...you didn't just post this.....please put up a just kidding or something...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

now they want to start the human interception machine against dallas?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 17, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey don't forget, he's still our 2-minute-drill specialist!

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 12:24 PM

Wonder if Rogers could pick him off?

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

WHEN WILL ANY OF YOU BLAME SHANNAHAN?

Posted by: vhamilto | December 17, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Again, if you are so mortified at what Shanahan is doing, why not root for another of team?

Rant over.


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17, 2010 12:21 PM

You're right. I should have never have questioned the wisdom of anything he's done to the Redskins.

I'll be a good little fan, and just accept whatever Snyder and Shanahan think is best for the team. They're much wiser than me, and my opinion doesn't matter.

On second thought, neither does yours, so I'll just keep rooting for the team, keep calling out what I beleive to be dumb moves, and let you cheer every dumbass move Shanahan makes. How about that?

I've been a fan longer than Shanahan has coached this team, and I personally think his coaching days are numbered. Too bad if you don't see it.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Still a shot we work this out w/McNabb. Don't forget the extension he jsut got. Yes, it has a relatively cheap buyout but still. If not, I hope we can get a 4th rounder or better for him. Man this is frustrating, but we've gotta have some faith. Shanny didn't promise it would be quick or easy. The guy has the personality of a crusty turd but he also has 2 rings. I say give him another year. If we're still spinning wheels this time next year, then maybe you evaluate options.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 17, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44, I can't help wondering if you would have offered this vigorous of a defense had Vinny been behind these same moves.

And you gotta admit... this move looks very Jason Taylor-esque right now, but worse because our offense is already so putrid.

At least he defense was OK with or without Taylor.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 12:23 PM

Hated both trades the very second the news broke. Hated the signing of AH, 2008 draft class the night of the draft, last years lack of picks, and the garbage that was the 2010 FA pool.

I'm indifferent about McNabb being benched in a lost season. Playing him would further diminish his value and when Rex gets destroyed and plays like Rex...then McNabb's stock rises.

I'm willing to give the current FO more than 10 months because I've seen all along that this roster is garbage.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

We had a chance to bring a winning, respected veteran QB in with the hope that it would stabilize things in a transition period. There is a long term plan here, just because you are too blind to see it says more about you than the organization.


OK, it did not work out. But it's not like we mortgaged our future. a 2 and a 4 so be it. And we may get something for him in a trade anyway.

Again, if you are so mortified at what Shanahan is doing, why not root for another of team?

Rant over.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17,

What's the long term plan? Bringing in aging and washed up veterans to help "rebuild?" My problem with the Shanny's is that they never accept responsibility for anything. Its always someone else's fault. St. Joe would never do such a thing.I do know that players talk and if you believe Shanny's behavior won't have an affect on FA coming to this team, then you are wrong.

I've bled B&G long before the Shanny's arrived and will bleed it after they are long gone.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I guess you haven't learned anything in the last 10+ years. It's going to take more than 10 months to undo the last 10 years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 12:18 PM


I have. And this is chief among them:

-If you trade multiple picks for a veteran, you better be right. Shanahan wasn't. McNabb didn't roll out of bed one day an ineffective QB...he was quite effective last year. The only thing that's changed is playing here.

I've already said, I'm not against benching Donovan...I'm against benching him for an option that is CLEARLY WORSE. We've had two starting QBs fail here and thrive elsewhere. If that doesn't tell you anything, YOU'RE the one with the problem not me.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

And had he not played poorly throughout the previous 57 minutes of the game, missing open guys, throwing at guys' feet, skipping balls off the turf (because of poor technique, from a 12-year vet), hitting defenders in the hands, the Skins probably aren't in the position of having to tie the score before the clock runs out.

You play poorly, you sit, and next man up takes your place.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2010 12:24 PM

Well said. Seems pretty straight forward.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 17, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44, I can't help wondering if you would have offered this vigorous of a defense had Vinny been behind these same moves.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

And the straw man enters the fray.

The debating tactic of the feeble minded.

Is that the best you can do? Point out that people would feel differently if Vinny had done this?

Maybe someday you'll have more going for you than nitpicking every move of a successful football coach, at least I hope you will.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

last I check you have no first rounder this coming draft

try checking again there chief.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 12:26 PM
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The last time he checked was 1935 and there was no draft.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 17, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Jump on the Ravens bandwagon.

Posted by: jamesbrown_923 | December 17, 2010 12:06 PM

Go jump in a lake.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 12:12 PM |

That would mean I'd have to grow a mullet, a faint mustache, buy an IROC and tuck my purple 'Rar Ray' jersey into my skin tight black acid wash jeans. I'd also have to slim down to an unhealthy looking 130lbs but date a woman who is at least 300.

un-book that!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 17, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

McNabb certainly hasn't lived up to expectations and he absolutely does throw balls at receivers' feet, etc.

That being said, look at the tools McNabb had at his disposal. Santana Moss, Anthony Armstrong and Brandon Banks don't exactly worry any opposing defensive backfield. The Redskins' RBs have performed adequately, but they don't scare anybody either. Who do opposing defenses plan for? Cooley and McNabb.

Blame for this season can be spread evenly throughout the players but most belongs on the shoulders of the owner and coaches.

Posted by: dallenva | December 17, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Disgraceful. Simply disgraceful.

I don't think anyone will suggest that McNabb is the answer, but f*ck, f*ck, f*ck, how is it even remotely possible that Grossman is????

I'm so close to giving up on this team. This is easily the most dysfunctional franchise in all of sports....

Posted by: chris_rollins2k3 | December 17, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Obviously you have been living in a cave or Siberia.

Are you saying he can't be living in a cave in Siberia?

Posted by: daggar | December 17, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

i'm with you PS7900.

although, I believe the whole thing was a sign-and-trade from the get go.

I believe that McNabb is going to Arizona in exchange for their 2nd round pick.

At any rate, why get him hurt in the last 3 games of the season when we have no mathematical chance of making the playoffs.

If Grossman stinks it up, Beck will get the nod and Grossman will be cut at the end of the season.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | December 17, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

They're much wiser than me, and my opinion doesn't matter.

I've been a fan longer than Shanahan has coached this team

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey everyone, look, Alan4 has been a Redskins fan for at least 11.5 months!

Yeah, that sounds about right.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

What a shock that the Redskins have treated someone with no respect. Have you been watching.
1. Albert Haynesworth is such a low life to Mike Shanahan that he has been abused for six months since Shanahan signed on. All Shanahan had to do was cut him and be done with it.
2. Jason Campbell.
3. Clinton Portis.
4. Greg Blatche.
5. Donovan McNabb.
Is there a common characteristic that these men share? Danny just needs to change the name of the team to the WhiteSkins. Hail to the Whiteskins.

Posted by: HelloNewman53 | December 17, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

My money is on Ryan Mallett.

The guy is a Matt Schaub clone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2010 11:45 AM

I'm tending to agree.

But Cam is still my 1st choice, but Mallet will be theirs...or should I say wuddle Shanny Jr's choice....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I don't think McNabb is the answer, but if the Skins do, how can you bench him now? And if you don't believe in him, why in the hell would you bench him -- knowing that you're trashing his trade value?

Again, the Snyder-Skins specialize in stupid.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | December 17, 2010

Trade value? You can't be serious. Other teams have watched him all year, why do they care if he sucks for a couple more games. Skins may specialize in stupid, but so does your post.

Posted by: Painful_priapism | December 17, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

You can tell who's the Shanahan nut-sack worshipers on the board in this way:


The QB they just gave up a 2nd and a 3rd for just got benched in favor of a guy whose moniker is "Wrecks Grossman".... McNabb's agent speaks out and some you brain dead pr*cks are going after MCNABB'S AGENT?!?!?!?! WOW!


Really!?!?!?! Are you fhucking serious?!?!?!?! How about holding the guy(s) accountable who made the deal in the gawddamn first place? Yeah, McNabb has played like crap, but how is there any percentage in benching a mediocre to at times poor QB and starting a poor to at times an all out suck-ass QB in his place?

With some here, it's constant Shanahan backslapping, ball waxing and eye gazing. The man is incapable of ANY wrong-doing! Ever! If he wiped his ass east/west instead of north/south, some of you fhuckers will defend that to the death too, I'm sure. Their argument would be: 'He's a super bowl winning head coach. He's forgotten more about ass-wiping than you've ever learned.'


I think firing Shanahan is a bit much -- like 28 million much, but for all the money and hype that surrounded the Shanahan hire, I was expecting a whole lot more. And I'm not even talking about w/L's. I'm talking about basic sh*t like clock management and astute personnel decisions.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 17, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I think this is an impersonal, cold and logical move by Shanahan - smart. These last games are meaningless. The value is in evaluating players for next year. They have a big decision to make about McNabb. They need to compare his performance with this group to another NFL quarterback. If their hypothesis is that Donovan is not a good fit for this system and they believe that Rex has mastered it, then Rex should be significantly more successful. If not, then their hypothesis is wrong. There was nothing to gain by doing the same thing they were doing. This is more like pre-season. Let's see Beck too.

Posted by: Fingerchop | December 17, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

the big problem with this is shanahan has no viable plan b we know you can,t really win with rex there are no q.b.s cominig in the draft worth taking but barkly at usc and cam newton neither one will the skins get. win the cowboys destroy rex sunday the shanahans will be exsposed for what they are i feel sorry for d snyder he really tried to do the right thing the shannys have betrayed him

Posted by: rwest828hope | December 17, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Sure McNabb's play has not been stellar, however his worst performance of the year is twice as good as Grossman's best. You only bench a guy for another when there's potential for a better performance. The Dallas defense is going to beat the crap and pick off Sexy Rexy all day. I thought I'd never say this, but Snyder, it's time to pull one of your d!ck moves and claim ownership of your team again and trump the father/son idiot team.

Posted by: clark202 | December 17, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

What's this got to do with anything, particularly McNabb's benching?
___________________________________________

Great Earl Campbell commercial, for you Oldies.

Would never happen now, ever.

http://www.casttv.com/video/37ybq11/earl-campbell-for-skoal-1980-video

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Posted by: lwilliamson1 | December 17, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is done here. I agree with the poster that said Allen already has something in the works as far as a trade for next year.

Additionally, say what you will about this organization, but they were geniuses with his contract. First off, they give him a contract extension to smooth over the whole 'Detroit benching' situation, and try and get him motivated to play. They also put a clause in his contract that they can dump him at the end of the year and won't be responsible for any money.

Sure, we got fisted cause we send 2 picks away, but we cut our losses now. We see what we have in Rex. Can he be the man for a season until a rookie QB is ready to take over? I like this move!

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Maybe someday you'll have more going for you than nitpicking every move of a successful football coach, at least I hope you will.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17, 2010 12:34 PM

It's a wonder you can talk with Shanny's wiener in your mouth... oh, you're typing!

Maybe someday you'll have more going for you than nitpicking every post of a fellow Redskins fan, at least I hope you will.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

bean- Of course I'm kidding - rape is a horrible thing. That's why they invented Rohypnol.

How about this analogy? If the plane is going down you might as well enjoy the movie..

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

How do you "do your job" with one of the most porous offensive lines in the NFL, no WRs really capable of consistently stretching the field, no consistent possession WRs (Art Monk et al) and a never ending merry-go-round of mostly anonymous running backs (Torain looking good if he wasn't Kelvin Bryant-brittle)? Not to mention a coordinator who supposedly doesn't think you "fit his schemes," but apparently forgot to ask his dad? :p

I still can't understand for the life of me while McNabb would sign an extension into this mess.

I don't have an issue with them starting a rookie QB who might get a chance to get their feet wet and show what they can do. Rex was a strong-armed QB with terrible decision-making in Chicago. I doubt he has suddenly turned into Super QB, and I doubt he's the team's future, so what's the point of putting him in at all?

Posted by: blackjack65 | December 17, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

That would mean I'd have to grow a mullet, a faint mustache, buy an IROC and tuck my purple 'Rar Ray' jersey into my skin tight black acid wash jeans. I'd also have to slim down to an unhealthy looking 130lbs but date a woman who is at least 300.

un-book that!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 17, 2010 12:34 PM

LOL...I'd rather have bad times with the Skins than good times with the Ravens. Talk about kissing your sister...to root for that team, it's kind of a prerequisite...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

#5's agent needs to shut his pie hole. #5 is exactly the QB all the Iggle fans told us we were getting. Now it's time to see if our (gulp) backup in Rex can do any better. We are not going anywhere this year and #5 has earned his benching and it has nothing to do with respect or ambassadorship.

To all the mental giants here who see a divided locker room, grow up. If they are not professional enough to go out and do their jobs on the field regardless of who is taking the snaps, they can ride the pine with #5 and complain to their agents while looking for a new team. The players are auditioning for jobs next year now whether it be here or elsewhere and if they want to pout about #5's situation, do it somewhere else.

Posted by: splitbill | December 17, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Respect? Yaaaaawwwwnnnn

I'm not going to feel bad for overpaid and overhyped players raking in comfortable salaries, then whining like punks when they're yanked for not PRODUCING.

"I'm here because we win. You're only here because we win. When we lose, we're gone. " - Vincent T. Lombardi

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if Rogers could pick him off?

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Only if they bring Stick Um' back!

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

God, I love the Redskins. Just think of us Eagles fans when we are selecting another good player with that 4th round pick you guys send us. You guys could all vote for McNabb in ProBowl voting and the top guys drop out so we can steal your 3rd! Thanks for the picks! Oh and another thing, Andy Reid is a genius and never gets rid of good players. Just thought you needed to know

Posted by: crohnkiller | December 17, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

You are hearing it here first...

Grossman leads the Skins to a double-digit win on Sunday...book it.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 17, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

As McNabb said Wednesday, it would have been unprofessional not to have told him by midweek. It was unprofessional to pretend to fans that he was being given a long contract that we soon learned was a fake.

Posted by: jhough1 | December 17, 2010 12:30 PM
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When players blab everything they hear to the media, why should a coach tell the player who is going to start? As for hsi contract, I seem to recall it paid McNabb a great deal of money and all of the terms of the contract were there in writing for both parties. McNabb signed it, for Pete's sake. He knew the language in it. There is nothing unprofessional about either situation.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 17, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

#5's agent needs to shut his pie hole. #5 is exactly the QB all the Iggle fans told us we were getting. Now it's time to see if our (gulp) backup in Rex can do any better. We are not going anywhere this year and #5 has earned his benching and it has nothing to do with respect or ambassadorship.

To all the mental giants here who see a divided locker room, grow up. If they are not professional enough to go out and do their jobs on the field regardless of who is taking the snaps, they can ride the pine with #5 and complain to their agents while looking for a new team. The players are auditioning for jobs next year now whether it be here or elsewhere and if they want to pout about #5's situation, do it somewhere else.

Posted by: splitbill | December 17, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

What a shock that the Redskins have treated someone with no respect. Have you been watching.
1. Albert Haynesworth is such a low life to Mike Shanahan that he has been abused for six months since Shanahan signed on. All Shanahan had to do was cut him and be done with it.
2. Jason Campbell.
3. Clinton Portis.
4. Greg Blatche.
5. Donovan McNabb.
Is there a common characteristic that these men share? Danny just needs to change the name of the team to the WhiteSkins. Hail to the Whiteskins.

Posted by: HelloNewman53 | December 17, 2010 12:39 PM
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your list is questionable at best.

other than McNabb who on this list was treated with no respect by the current organization?

JC was treated badly by Cerrato not by The Shannahans. He was signed and then traded long before training camp started so he had the full camp to get used to the Raiders offense.

CP is still on the team despite getting injured.

Fat Albert... next.

Greg Blatche was from the previous administration. Why would he be retained when he put Landry at FS? How was he disrespected? He was fired. Happens to coaches all the time.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | December 17, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Alan4, I gotta hand it to you. Your "I know you are but what am I?" retorts are giving me a good laugh, with the added bonus of exposing you for the juvenile slow witted dolt you probably are.

Have a great weekend!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

DMac has definitely been throwing off his back foot the last few weeks. I don't know if it has something to do with an injury or whether he's just gun shy of D linemen and/or Rabach stepping on his foot.

He's also had several potential pick sixes dropped. I don't blame him for most of the drops of Moss and Cooley, but I do wonder if the way he throws is just making it hard for anyone to catch.

Posted by: NYPDee | December 17, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

All of a sudden we gotta hear how great of a game 5 had last Sunday? If Tampa's D didn't play with one hand they would've had at least three picks and we lose 24-7.

McNabb stinks. I don't care if they put Haynesworth at QB.

Posted by: kone | December 17, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Granted, Donovan's performance has been beyond horrific this year (he's admitted that this has been bad year), but respect is respect. If that fool a## excuse for a coach can stand in front of a camera and defend a punk kicker who missed 10 kicks this year or an offensive line that cannot block on a consistent basis, he damn well could have told Donovan that he wasn't the starter prior to this morning!

Karma is a b##ch, Mr. Snyder & "Coach" Shanahan. The Redskins will NEVER win anything with their current "leadership"! What an effing joke!!!!

Posted by: Neisha_H | December 17, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Still a shot we work this out w/McNabb. Don't forget the extension he jsut got. Yes, it has a relatively cheap buyout but still. If not, I hope we can get a 4th rounder or better for him. Man this is frustrating, but we've gotta have some faith. Shanny didn't promise it would be quick or easy. The guy has the personality of a crusty turd but he also has 2 rings. I say give him another year. If we're still spinning wheels this time next year, then maybe you evaluate options.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG |

You can't be serious! What in the world has Shanahan done that inspires faith? He has repeatedly embarrassed our beloved franchise on a NATIONAL level by his treatment of both Haynesworth and McNabb (and I could go on and on....Devin Thomas, Dockery, etc.) He is NOT winning. His son Kyle is a TOOL (and behind all this).

His 2 Rings came with Elway...he has really done nothing since.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 17, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"Bruce Allen has a McNabb trade lined up for the offseason.

Book it."

I was thinking the same thing actually.

McNabb signed a pretty crappy contract if you ask me. Thing is the Redskins aren't going to get much because he can't be on the opening day roster bonus or he gets $10mil.

But essentially it's a "year by year" contract, and 3.5 mil as an apology this year from Snyder being benched against Detroit.

In order for McNabb to see anything he has to perform, so he's gotta play well. I thought it was a dumb contract for him to sign but they baited it with 3.5 mil this year. Nothing is guaranteed in it unless he makes a starting day roster.

They can trade him and get something. I'm just disappointed it didn't work out, I've always been a McNabb fan but watching him this year has been painful. He gets pressure and throws to low, hense "too low McThrow."

A friend and I were talking about his very same thing. Shanny is too good for Washington and Snyder needs a "name" to sell tickets. Vick will be a Redskin next year, I think you can book that.

I still believe in Shanny, but it does seem like the karma suck around here.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 17, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Stating the obvious here but it warrants repeating: Changing QBs in the NFL is not like changing any other position.

The QB is the face of the franchise, the highest paid player and the guy you build your offense around. You pull the plug on a veteran QB (for another journeyman) and you're essentially saying, Adios.

McNabb is gone. And you're not getting a 2nd for him next year. Especially since you have to move him and other teams know it.

My guess is that they'll be forced to cut him and eating the picks.

I picked a bad week to give up taking LSD.

This is crazier though.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Skins are trying to get a higher draft pick? We're talk about Rex Grossman here. I'd be shocked if the line hasn't already shifted.

Posted by: jblacknj | December 17, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Skins are trying to get a higher draft pick? We're talk about Rex Grossman here. I'd be shocked if the line hasn't already shifted.

Posted by: jblacknj | December 17, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Offseason priorities:

Trade #5 to Arizona or Minnesota and get draft PICKS... Trade #92 to Detroit (it's where he wants to go, and they apparently are interested in him) and get more draft PICKS.

Begin rebuilding process.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Skins are trying to get a higher draft pick? We're talk about Rex Grossman here. I'd be shocked if the line hasn't already shifted.

Posted by: jblacknj | December 17, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Still a shot we work this out w/McNabb. Don't forget the extension he jsut got. Yes, it has a relatively cheap buyout but still. If not, I hope we can get a 4th rounder or better for him. Man this is frustrating, but we've gotta have some faith. Shanny didn't promise it would be quick or easy. The guy has the personality of a crusty turd but he also has 2 rings. I say give him another year. If we're still spinning wheels this time next year, then maybe you evaluate options.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG |

You can't be serious! What in the world has Shanahan done that inspires faith? He has repeatedly embarrassed our beloved franchise on a NATIONAL level by his treatment of both Haynesworth and McNabb (and I could go on and on....Devin Thomas, Dockery, etc.) He is NOT winning. His son Kyle is a TOOL (and behind all this).

His 2 Rings came with Elway...he has really done nothing since.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 17, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Even if Shanahan knew McNabb wasn't going to be with the team after this year, there was no reason to make the change to Rex Grossman with three games left in a lost season. It's not like he's a young QB in the waiting or under contract long-term. McNabb is nothing else has handled things with class and never complained about the situation despite the porous O-Line and lack of capable receivers or a running game.

This just reinforces that Shanahan makes a lot of decisions just to show he's in charge and not to build the best team possible. McNabb deserved better and had the Skins in position to tie the game on Sunday and force OT. I don't see how the timing of the benching correlates with his performance in the last game.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 17, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Even if Shanahan knew McNabb wasn't going to be with the team after this year, there was no reason to make the change to Rex Grossman with three games left in a lost season. It's not like he's a young QB in the waiting or under contract long-term. McNabb is nothing else has handled things with class and never complained about the situation despite the porous O-Line and lack of capable receivers or a running game.

This just reinforces that Shanahan makes a lot of decisions just to show he's in charge and not to build the best team possible. McNabb deserved better and had the Skins in position to tie the game on Sunday and force OT. I don't see how the timing of the benching correlates with his performance in the last game.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 17, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

To anyone who thinks benching mcnabb for grossman is a good idea think about this....Grossmans highest QB rating ever for a season is 75.9%. AND THATS THIS SEASON where he only attempted 7 passes threw 0 touchdowns and gave up a TD off a fumble...Hes thrown more PICKS than TOUCHDOWS over his career...if McNabb is being benched because of his performance then Grossman should be banned from ever throwing a ball again

Posted by: andersonjustinb | December 17, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Jayson Taylor 2.0

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Even if Shanahan knew McNabb wasn't going to be with the team after this year, there was no reason to make the change to Rex Grossman with three games left in a lost season. It's not like he's a young QB in the waiting or under contract long-term. McNabb is nothing else has handled things with class and never complained about the situation despite the porous O-Line and lack of capable receivers or a running game.

This just reinforces that Shanahan makes a lot of decisions just to show he's in charge and not to build the best team possible. McNabb deserved better and had the Skins in position to tie the game on Sunday and force OT. I don't see how the timing of the benching correlates with his performance in the last game.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 17, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm curious if this is simply because we have no chance at the postseason so Shanny is trying to devalue DM5 in the trade with the Eagles. If he doesn't play so many of his snaps, and have so many wins, etc. he's worth less to the Eagles. I wonder if that is the rationale for this. If that is the case, and in theory we are keeping DM5 for next year, I say it's going to be putrid on Sunday, but that's nothing different than normal.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | December 17, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Say what you will about McNabb, but there is no way Grossman gives the skins a better chance to win. Maybe they want a higher draft pick?

Posted by: jblacknj | December 17, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

F McNabb
F his agent

If he was playing well this wouldn't have happened.

And yes there are 40 other QBs in the league that would be successful with the right supporting cast. McNabb was brought in to elevate this offense and HE'S FAILED.

Blame McNabb.

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Are you serious? How can you make a statement like that and actually believe it. As if Tom Brady or Peyton Manning would survive here in Washington. This team is deemed to fail regardless. Lets be honest here. This team has been crap because Snyder has messed it up. We are in a position now that we have no money, no picks and a pretty worthless team. It will remain this way for at least the next 5 years. Regardless of who is throwing the ball. This team has disrepected many players along the way. McNabb included. The treatment of Campbell raised concern with me because of the way they handled it. Now this? How long can this organization try so much and fail every time. The only constant has been Snyder. He needs to sit back, collect the check, fire Shanahan and his skinny headed son and get someone in there that really knows whats going on. I am sick and tired of seeing this team decline year after year with new head coaches, new coordinators, new QB's, new wide outs, new defensive players, etc, etc, etc. I feel the same way Chad Dukes felt a few weeks ago. I feel like I am owed something from this team. I, we, are owed that pride and determination of the old Redskin eras. When playing for the Skins meant something. When other teams feared you simply because you were the Skins. That hasn't happened in a very, very, very long time. How long are we supposed to sit here and tolorate this crap of a circus?

Posted by: tiredrdsknfan | December 17, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Thats the inherent problem with football.

You either pay a guy based on potential or you pay a guy based on prior performance. McNabb was great 5 or 6 years ago but had declined enough that the Iggles traded him within the division. I admit he is statistically a better option the Grossman, but its not a slap to the face to sit McNabb down with his stats from this season.

McNabb used to be really good, but he is not now. For the Skins to sit McNabb, its not like DaVinci lost his paintbrush

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 17, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Say what you will about McNabb, but there is no way Grossman gives the skins a better chance to win. Maybe they want a higher draft pick?

Posted by: jblacknj | December 17, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

For those of you arguing that if McNabb had played better he wouldn't have been benched, that's true to a point. But McNabb had a good game last week and typically you don't bench a veteran QB this time of year in a meaningless game unless you have a young QB whom you want to see what he can do. Grossman is not a young QB nor is he a good one. I can't fathom the Shannahans think Grossman gives the Redskins a better chance of winning. No sane person who isn't in Grossman's family thinks that, and I'd bet the family would be divided.

Posted by: JM1970 | December 17, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

What does it matter anymore? No McNabb hasn't played well, but has anyone? With that spotty line, with that raggedy receiving corps and with that lame group of running backs, can anyone argue this team should be any better. And does anyone think that Grossman is an improvement?

This team is a disaster. Bench McNabb. Suspend Haynesworth. Scapegoat whoever you want. But please understand that the reality is this team was built to fail.

Posted by: Tempy_McJobhunt | December 17, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Are we in the playoff hunt ? NO, are we in the draft pic hunt ? YES. If we win, stroke of Genius, If we lose, Hay we started Grossman. Its a win win. If some Cowgirl fan trys to give you crap on Monday you got a buy, " Hey we started Grossman" and if we win even better " Ha we beat you with Grossman ". Shanny just bailed us all out because McNabb was'nt going to win this game for us, Really!

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 17, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan's at the podium now...says Rex is the #1, Beck is the #2, and McNabb is down to #3. Wow...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Gatorskinzz2000 - Don't take me there...I remember this commercial (I want to say it was made in the '70's..because tobacco commercials were banned in the 80's)

Think I'll play some TOUCH!!! SKOAL BROTHER...Awww, Man, I must old..LOL

Posted by: clifton3 | December 17, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

It was made in 1980, so dont feel too old. He is the reason I picked up my first tin/can of Skoal.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | December 17, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

McNabb has showed zero passion all season.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 17, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

... The Redskins will NEVER win anything[.]

Posted by: Neisha_H


Fixed it for ya.

I'm convinced Dan Snyder and his wife kidnapped 12 Singaporean children and pimp them out to pedophiles. Or that Shanahan and Bruce Allen butt raped a few Nuns in between jobs. No amount of bad luck, karma, or misfortune plagues teams like it does the Redskins.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 17, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

If he doesn't play so many of his snaps, and have so many wins, etc. he's worth less to the Eagles.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | December 17, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Good question.

Anyone know what #5 had to do for Philly to get that 3rd round pick(believe it was conditional)?

Great opportunity to Reid to show his worth.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 17, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Jump on the Ravens bandwagon.

Posted by: jamesbrown_923 | December 17, 2010 12:06 PM

No, Mr. Modell, that's out of the question.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 17, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, there are entirely too many Larry Michaels on this board.

Turn a blind eye toward the complete failure of the coaching staff just because Shanny's won two SBs. He hasn't done S here!
My only question to those who continue to defend Shanny would be, if this was Jim Zorn making these moves would all of you still be in agreement?

Posted by: priceisright | December 17, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

If Grossman costs the Redskins a win against Dallas this Sunday, I will not watch any more Redskins football until Shanahan is gone. Shanahan doesn't understand that when the Redskins are not playoff bound, the one thing Redskins fans look forward to is beating Dallas. If we can beat them twice a season, even better. But Shanahan's not from DC and has no clue how real Redskins fans feel about Dallas.

I don't care who starts the last two games, but we have less likelihood of beating Dallas if Grossman plays.

Posted by: CAmira5 | December 17, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Alan4, I gotta hand it to you. Your "I know you are but what am I?" retorts are giving me a good laugh, with the added bonus of exposing you for the juvenile slow witted dolt you probably are.

Have a great weekend!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17, 2010 12:48 PM

Glad you got a laugh, even if my posts don't measure up to your inane rantings that keep RI worthwhile.

I'm sure everyone here is just bored to death until you sign on and share your enlightening intellect.

Enjoy your weekend, too, ya dumb sunuvab!tch!

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

to those suggesting there is already a trade in place....are you friggin serious...and what makes it even worse is suggesting that they'd get a 2nd rounder in return....is that how that works...trade for a player costing you a 2nd, and a 4th...player plays worse than ever before in his career...turn around, and trade player for a 2nd rounder....

who writes this stuff...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I truly think McNabb is hurt and the Redskins are hiding this information. Look at him the last 4 games. He was not moving around in the pocket. He's been as easy as a target in the pocket as Grossman will be Sunday.
McNabb is not my favorite QB, but you wait until you get a full game of Grossman with our receivers and OL and you be yelling for McNabb back under center.
What does it really matter at this point.

Posted by: lesterbill | December 17, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

That hasn't happened in a very, very, very long time. How long are we supposed to sit here and tolorate this crap of a circus?

Posted by: tiredrdsknfan | December 17, 2010 12:54 PM |
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I certainly agree with this point, having been a loyal watcher since the late 1970's.

Frankly, I think they should clean house this offseason. And not just the scrubs. There are some talented LOSERS on this team, and by that I mean players who have been here during previous regimes where losing was routine - and worse - was excused with empty platitides, usually, "Well, it's tough to win in the NFL. Every game is a battle, This season I feel really good about our team, We're getting better, blah, blah, blah, yak, yak, yak."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan's at the podium now...says Rex is the #1, Beck is the #2, and McNabb is down to #3. Wow...

Holy guacamole.

Beck over McNabb?

Stunning, simply stunning.

No way McNabb is back on this team.

They'll cut him and have to eat the picks because other teams know that the Skins will have to release him. They won't trade a pick for a guy they could sign as a FA.

What a unbelievable mess.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The 'Skins are close to reaching another all-time low.

No quarterback could last or do an above average job with what the 'Skins put in front of them and around them. Shanahan should replace the god-awful offensive coordinator, or wait it's the Holiday season and his son wants to buy some really good things. What could they be????? Maybe a brain to use for offensive plays and management.

Makes you really start to wonder why the fans continue to support this train-wreck!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mrcox54 | December 17, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

did fletch say the same thing when he was benched last season ?

Posted by: miked4 | December 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood....did he say why? Just curious....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Enough of the Redskins. This is just the Shannahans' attempt to divert responsibility for a dreadful offense away from Shannahan Jr. In any other situation, the offensive coordinator would be under much scrutiny regarding the performance of a newly installed offense. What's the difference this year? The offensive coordinator is the son of the head coach. I for one do not believe that in the span of one year, McNabb has gone from a winning quarterback to a hack. Rather, I believe he is adjusting to a new offense for the first time in 11 or 12 years, dealing with an patch work offensive line as well as an inconsistent running game. If McNabb is to be benched, what is to be said for Mr. Gano who has missed the most field goals of any kicker in the NFL this season. I am now officially resigning as a fan of the Washington Redskins. Thanks for the years and the memories. Good luck. Go Steelers!!!

Posted by: youngjo381 | December 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

problem with VJax is that him + McNabb would eat up an awful lot of cap space -- if there is a cap. Those 2 guys alone could take up nearly 20% of the cap.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 12:02 AM


Where are you getting these numbers? Nobody has any idea what VJ's asking price is, and regardless of his performance against a vastly inferior Niners squad, he still hasn't proven he's worth Brandon Marshall money.

I think some up here have a bad taste in their mouths over free agency in general and think he embodies some of the failures of years gone by. I get that...I really do. But we have a GAPING hole at WR and if he can fill it (at the right price, of course) then we definitely have to at least look into it.

Gotta say, dude did look awful good last nigh...

Posted by: brownwood26

Just catching up on this one ... VJax apparently had a contract with Minny all done, so his asking price is known -- even if its not totally public. The reports were he wanted 5 yrs at $9 mil or so per -- not inconsistent with a top WR and last night, he certainly looked like an absolute stud. He does have a strong track record on field. If he was ready to go to Minny, I've got to imagine he got close to the $$ he wanted.

McNabb's numbers are known, $15-17million or so. Add the 2 together and you get aobut $25million. The salary cap is estimated to be around $130million -- though the CBA could change that.

After that, its just simple math. $26mil/$130 is .2

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

You are hearing it here first...

Grossman leads the Skins to a double-digit win on Sunday...book it.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 17, 2010 12:45 PM |

Todd Collins 2.0 but more importantly, making the Cowhomos our biotches.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 17, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

When, not if, when Grossman gets jacked up...fumbles, ints etc...McNabb should refuse to come in.

Disrespectful indeed.

It's like benching Belichek to start Zorn. In Dallas week no less....

Uhhh, go Ravens!

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | December 17, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

So if Grossman goes down, they'll put in Beck over McNabb?

What?

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

So Mcnabb has accuracy issues and trouble reading Defenses? Any idiot would of known that watching him for a decade in Philly. Why would you go ahead and trade for him if you weren't planning to live with that? Why would you keep a Defensive Lineman around who has had a questionable work ethic his whole career and think he was gonna become some workout warrior and super practice player. Still the same problems with this team because they don't have a REAL GM with a long term plan. We've got another Old Fart Head Coach making knee jerk decisions that will never build a consistent winner.

Posted by: moseley_brian | December 17, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

To all the Redskins fans going on and on about what's wrong with Donovan McNabb let me help you.

It's the Offensive Line coupled with a first year RB whose blitz pickup has been rather dubious. That's a bad combination.

Moss and Cooley have not dropped passes at a rate higher than the other top 10 players at their respective positions and Armstrong (targeted/completed) numbers as the #2 receiver aren't bad. So it isn't the main receivers that are causing the problem.

This same QB was 11-5 last year with a 92.9 passer rating. Now he has a 77.1. Anyone playing behind Lichensteiger/Rabach/Hicks/Brown is going to struggle. Rabach has been here for 6 years, but the other guys had all been demoted by the teams we got them from.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | December 17, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

What a shock that the Redskins have treated someone with no respect. Have you been watching.
1. Albert Haynesworth is such a low life to Mike Shanahan that he has been abused for six months since Shanahan signed on. All Shanahan had to do was cut him and be done with it.
2. Jason Campbell.
3. Clinton Portis.
4. Greg Blatche.
5. Donovan McNabb.
Is there a common characteristic that these men share? Danny just needs to change the name of the team to the WhiteSkins. Hail to the Whiteskins.

Posted by: HelloNewman53 | December 17, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Are you serious with this list???

1. Haynesworth disrepected everyone for not showing up to the workouts and for not giving this defense a chance.

2. I think this organization was patient long enough with the 'Old Soup'! He is a mediocre QB at best and will never win anything!

3. How did they disrespect Portis? He's been a solid RB for this franchise and they rewarded him for it! If anything some people let him walk all over them.

4. Blache was working under Greg Williams for a couple years, then when he left he was PROMOTED to DC, how did he get disrespected?

5. McNabb has lost a step, he is not the savior that everyone thought he was. The only mistake I think they made with him was that they should have told him if they were going with Rex.


So now you're playing the race card? Sounds like you are the black version of Personal_Fowl!

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Disrespectful to bench McNabb? Probably Not.

Disrespectful to bench McNabb for Rex Grossman? Definitely.

6 sacks and 2 fumbles.

Posted by: loux24 | December 17, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I hope sexy rexy gets killed and dallas crushes skins.

i am now an x redskin fan.

Posted by: wohwinner | December 17, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

What's Marty Schottenheimer doing? ha ha

Posted by: kone | December 17, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood....did he say why? Just curious....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 17, 2010 1:02 PM


Said he wants to evaluate Rex and Beck in game situations...also said they've done well in practice but doesn't know for sure what they are until he sees them in games.

I'm just numb right now...just once I'd love to hit December talking playoffs instead of "Real Housewives" type sh*t...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

This is disrespectful...what about McNabbs consecutive games streak!

What's up with all the Ravens BS today...have fun with that and good riddance aholes!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I hope sexy rexy gets killed and dallas crushes skins.

i am now an x redskin fan.

Posted by: wohwinner | December 17, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

HelloNewman53...

Race Card huh? Ethan Albright, Hunter Smith, Adam Archuletta

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 17, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Even with all the reports out there that Grossman was going to start over McNabb, I would have been shocked if McNabb didn't start.

Until this blog entry.

When McNabb's agent rips Shanahan a new one, its hard to imagine that happened over press reports.

I'll still be shocked if Grossman starts ... just not as much.

Personally, I can't come up with any scenario where sitting a healthy McNabb makes sense. I've never been on the McNabb bandwagon -- but I think him is insane.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

McNabb's play this season has been disrespectful

Posted by: graywolf323 | December 17, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing here that this goes beyond McNabb's inconsistent performances.

This is something personal, e.g., McNabb not following the plays that are ordered, he's not doing his homework, he's not following directions...

Something.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Enjoy your weekend, too, ya dumb sunuvab!tch!

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, I will!

BTW...I find myself agreeing with and laughing at P_F's posts today, so you may be on to something with the dumb comment.

Lastly, whoever posted about devaluing the trade for Mcnabb by benching him:

We are out of a 3 and 4, no matter what Mcnabb does. The Saints get whichever pick the Eagles don't (J. Brown).

If you knew that and are extending your theory to the point that Shanahan wants to keep the 3rd rounder out of the division, and that's why he is benching McNabb, well I can't help you then. You are a hopeless conspiracy theorist.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Why are people so high on Mc5? He has done nothing here. Perennial probowler? Not this year. If this was JC, everyone would be blaming him for bing so inept. It's Mc5, who was an eagle last year, and people come out othe woodworks to defend him and blame the coach. Wake up people. It's evaluation time. There is more to the people who defend him than meets the eye if you ask me. I wish they's come out and say it. It's ridiculous that a player doing so badly has so much support. So what is it? You know who you are.

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | December 17, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know what #5 had to do for Philly to get that 3rd round pick(believe it was conditional)?

Great opportunity to Reid to show his worth.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 17, 2010 12:59 PM

What difference does it make? Philly gets either the 3rd or the 4th. New Orleans gets either the 4th or the 3rd. There is no hidden agenda here. McNabb wasn't making plays. Next man up.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

You're not patient enough with a QB no matter how long he plays for your team if you expect him to develop into a miracle maker. Miracle maker = someone who consistently wins w/o an OL, WR, or intelligent OC.

Benching DM5 and talking about his lack of "cardiovascular fitness" and all the other crap when DM5 would have had the opportunity to win the game is just mildly disrespectful.

AH was mistreated simply because the team could have been intelligent and waited another year to install the 3-4 when they actually had the players to do it, and could have gotten rid of him in the offseason for more than nothing.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | December 17, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

The only way to fix the years of neglect of the offensive line is to stockpile draft picks.

People like Cooley should be trade material, in my opinion. Get draft picks.

What the hell's the point in having a pro bowl TE if your QB doesn't have the time to throw him the ball?

I'd rather have a so-so TE (or WRs) who the QB can actually pass it to than to have talented recivers and a QB that is either A) running for his life or B) on his azz after 2 seconds.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

If you think this is crazy, wait until the Cowboys eat us alive this weekend. Not a cowboys fan, but I think we can all see this coming. Can a team actually forfeit games for the overall good of the league? We may actually find out.

Posted by: zippyspeed | December 17, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan's at the podium now...says Rex is the #1, Beck is the #2, and McNabb is down to #3. Wow...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 12:58 PM
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Essentially says he is kicking the tires on the other two quarterbacks. I'd like to see the other running backs and Terrence Austin get some work, too. Let's see what we've got.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 17, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Dear Danny and Shanny,

Thank You! Thank You! (You too, Little Shanny and Little Georgie). I have been miserable this year having to cheer for the Redskins (I follow McNabb.) I had seen glimpses of your silliness over the years but your actions this year have been masterful. The following has been confirmed:
1. McNabb will not be with the Redskins next year (Yeah!)
2. Shanny's goal of getting his son a head coaching position is now impossible.
3. Jr.'s best friend Rex will show you idiots what caused several heart attacks here in Chicago.
4. The far fetched rumors about Danny being a women might actually be true.
5. At least 30 NFL coaches are wondering why McNabb got benched for (choose one: not being fit for/ being successful at) his 2 minute drill abilities.
6. Andrew Luck is thinking "Oh S--t."

Posted by: mikenchicago | December 17, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I remember ALOT of posts in here crushing Gibbs for sticking with Portis and Brunell long after it was known that they werent as good as they once were.

Kudos to Shanny for knowing when it was over and saying so.

Thatt said, shame on Shanny for hiring his kid to run the offense. Get Kyle out of here

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 17, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I remember ALOT of posts in here crushing Gibbs for sticking with Portis and Brunell long after it was known that they werent as good as they once were.

Kudos to Shanny for knowing when it was over and saying so.

Thatt said, shame on Shanny for hiring his kid to run the offense. Get Kyle out of here

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 17, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse


so donovan mcmutt has been benched? he-he-he! i told you the redtards were on borrowed time; there's a reason philly unloaded mcmutt to a team within the division.

get ready for a real nice beatdown by my cowboys, a real team with a real coach and a really bright future!

Posted by: 10peterbilt | December 17, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I hope sexy rexy gets killed and dallas crushes skins.

i am now an x redskin fan.

Posted by: wohwhiner | December 17, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Bye then! Oh, changed your User ID for ya Whiner!!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

So if Grossman goes down, they'll put in Beck over McNabb? What?

That's what apparently is the situation.

But playing Beck, and not Rex, to me, is what makes sense.

But what do I know: I'm the guy handing out crow to all the McNabb lovers.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

The Detroit benching was a mistake. This time they're out of playoff contention so they might as well see what Rex and others can do and get a better draft pick in the process. lol. McNabb's not the first guy to ever get benched so his agent should just stop with the woe-is-me bs on Donovan's behalf.

In retrospect Colt McCoy with our 2nd rounder would've been ideal last year.

Posted by: skinswest | December 17, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

We need a new QB...its as simple as that. A new coach will likely be on the list in 3yrs. Until we commit to ACTUALLY rebuilding this endless cycle of mediocrity with continue well into the future.

Posted by: ZornInMySide | December 17, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the teams in the NFL are like a boomerang. The Redskins are a lock to come back to the top. Just look at the Lions.

Posted by: dhaarz | December 17, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

brown, what else was said at the presser...day's like today, make me think fondly of the old ball coach....or swinging gate....you have to laugh..I mean you just have to laugh....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

McNabb did enough to win the game last week. Clearly, he could have been better, but no doubt the special teams blew that game. And McNabb's being benched?

One explanation is that the Shannys want McNabb to want to leave, but then why did they resign him? It doesn't make sense. Could be the Redskins new slogan. "We don't make sense."

I hope they do draft a young QB, but they still need a decent quality QB to start next year and to show the new guy how to succeed in the NFL. A classy, successful guy like McNabb is perfect for that role. Look what he did for Vick.

So why does Shanny disrespect him like this? We heard about the benching before McNabb. That's just classless. The Redskins time and time again operate the wrong way. The whole culture of the organization needs to change. And I'm not impressed with what Shannahan has done so far.

Posted by: paul6554 | December 17, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Said he wants to evaluate Rex and Beck in game situations...also said they've done well in practice but doesn't know for sure what they are until he sees them in games.
I'm just numb right now...just once I'd love to hit December talking playoffs instead of "Real Housewives" type sh*t...
Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 1:08 PM

This sucks. I would want them to let Mcnabb play out the season. The more game experience our “starter” gets, the better they will be next season. Plus, Mcnabb’s got around 20 games played vs Dallas in his career….how many does Rex have?
I agree with those folks who think that this points to Mcnabb not being here next year. But then again maybe not, when they see what happens with Rex in there on Sunday.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 17, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

what is this ALMOST certainly would have ledto overtime ??? it's 100% that there would have occured if the ep was made. this is the 2nd time this nonsense has been printed. fact check, please

Posted by: davidklapp | December 17, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I honestly was not thrilled when I heard last year that we got McNabb. I guess it was because he played in our division and we don't dig Philly too much. However, since we have him, I thought that we would do very well this year. Well, we have done poorly, but it's not McNabb's complete fault. All of the blame for our sorry season is not to all fall on McNabb's shoulders. I think the Shanahans are making a terrible mistake placing Grossman at the helm - especially in Dallas. We needed to beat Dallas, but I doubt that we will now. Evidently Snyder agrees with the decision to bench McNabb so therefore McNabb should start packing. I wish McNabb were not so nice and classy as been stated by many. Get angry McNabb and tell the Shanahans how you REALLY feel. In the off season, we need to search for a good quarterback because Grossman is NOT it.

Posted by: jpierce2 | December 17, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Aww! Poor lil fella sucks at his job and is wondering why he got benched? Why is life so unfair he says.

Posted by: j0nx | December 17, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

What difference does it make? Philly gets either the 3rd or the 4th. New Orleans gets either the 4th or the 3rd. There is no hidden agenda here. McNabb wasn't making plays. Next man up.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 1:13 PM

Since both picks are gone anyhow, I would rather the Saints get the 3rd instead of the iggles.

If benching DM5 does that during this losing season then that is OK.

===============

Many of us want to see what we have in Cook, Austin, Riley, etc., but have a problem that Shanahan wants to see what he has in Rex and Beck.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 17, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

what is this ALMOST certainly would have ledto overtime ??? it's 100% that there would have occured if the ep was made. this is the 2nd time this nonsense has been printed. fact check, please

Posted by: davidklapp | December 17, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks McNabb is a Redskin next year is a blithering IDIOT!!!

Posted by: ZornInMySide | December 17, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

get ready for a real nice beatdown by my cowboys, a real team with a real coach and a really bright future!


That 'teams' record: 4-8.

The bright future he means is that the lights are usually brighter on teams with top 10 picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Stop crying. If your boy was playing up to par then he wouldn't get benched. Hail!

Posted by: Smiley2 | December 17, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

We get better picks in return from the Saints if we give them our 3rd. So if you don't understand that one, well I can't help you either.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | December 17, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Disrespectful? I'll tell you what's disrespectful - it's a QB who doesn't read the playbook and has a crappy season. That's disrespecting me the fan!!! Go Grossman!

Posted by: Capitalist-1 | December 17, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

If he doesn't play so many of his snaps, and have so many wins, etc. he's worth less to the Eagles.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | December 17, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Good question.

Anyone know what #5 had to do for Philly to get that 3rd round pick(believe it was conditional)?

Great opportunity to Reid to show his worth.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 17, 2010 12:59 PM

Benching McNabb doesn't effect the trade. McNabb would have had to lead us to 9 wins or the playoffs.

Our 3rd is going to N.O. and our 4th is going to Philly. We get N.O.'s 5th in return.

Benching McNabb doesn't devalue his already low trade value if anything his stock may rise. i.e. Rex comes in and plays like Rex (which is to say terrible) and all of a sudden McNabb looks more appealing to another team.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Since both picks are gone anyhow, I would rather the Saints get the 3rd instead of the iggles.

If benching DM5 does that during this losing season then that is OK.

===============

Many of us want to see what we have in Cook, Austin, Riley, etc., but have a problem that Shanahan wants to see what he has in Rex and Beck.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 17, 2010 1:20 PM


Benching McNabb maked NO difference on the picks. The targets were: 1) McNabb makes pro-bowl, 2) the team wins 9 games, or 3) the team makes playoffs.

None of these are possible, so the Saints get the 3rd pick and the Iggles get the 4th.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

This is pure genious. Now when we beat the pukes they can't complain about having their back-up QB in the game. Can't wait to see the sour puss on Jerruh.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 17, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Dear Danny and Shanny,

Thank You! Thank You! (You too, Little Shanny and Little Georgie). I have been miserable this year having to cheer for the Redskins (I follow McNabb.) I had seen glimpses of your silliness over the years but your actions this year have been masterful. The following has been confirmed:
1. McNabb will not be with the Redskins next year (Yeah!)
2. Shanny's goal of getting his son a head coaching position is now impossible.
3. Jr.'s best friend Rex will show you idiots what caused several heart attacks here in Chicago.
4. The far fetched rumors about Danny being a women might actually be true.
5. At least 30 NFL coaches are wondering why McNabb got benched for (choose one: not being fit for/ being successful at) his 2 minute drill abilities.
6. Andrew Luck is thinking "Oh S--t."


Posted by: mikenchicago | December 17, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

LMFAO! How sad is this, a McNabb Troll!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

What a joke, go jump off the Sears Tower, and maybe you should worry about your joke of a team in Chicago blowing it and coasting in the playoffs!

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

But playing Beck, and not Rex, to me, is what makes sense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2010 1:17 PM

Guessing that Beck will be starting one of the two remaining games to see what he has.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 17, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I have to think this is a ruse.McN is about to shatter the Redskin's single season passing record in the next game.Problems come because the offense is too predictable and 90% of the time the opposing defense knows what we're going to do. McN is constantly under pressure and if they start Banks and send him post every play that's an automatic double team, Santana the 3rd coming across he middle.I'll believe it on Sunday. If then after how JC and Doug where treated, 3 in a row means reevaluation and wondering if David Dukes is running this thing

Posted by: gregorybanks | December 17, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I haven't made up my mind on whether I wanted McNabb to return in 2011, but unless he's starting on Sunday and all this has been a big old smokescreen, it appears Shanahan has seen enough.

A week or 2 ago, I wrote in ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES that Shanahan may have set this team back more than a year in the rebuilding process, that 2010 wasn't much in rebuilding and 2011 has taken a hit.

Not a big fan of McNabb, but this whole story is leaving me feeling queasy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

McNabb did enough to win the game last week. Clearly, he could have been better, but no doubt the special teams blew that game. And McNabb's being benched?

Posted by: paul6554 | December 17, 2010 1:18 PM |

McNabb did enough to lose the game last week. Tampa Bay dropped two interceptions that McNabb threw them. McNabb missed plenty of open receivers with low balls. About the best you can say for McNabb is what his agent said: "He's an ambassador for the league."

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Until we commit to ACTUALLY rebuilding this endless cycle of mediocrity with continue well into the future.

Posted by: ZornInMySide | December 17, 2010 1:17 PM

Maybe that's exactly what they're doing. Albeit one year later then I would've liked but gambling on the McNabb deal made sense at the time.

So they'll likely pick between 6 and 13. Luck is the frontrunner to go #1. Newton might not be far behind. Are any other QB's projected for the first round? Mallet, Ponder, Locker someone else?

Posted by: skinswest | December 17, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Enough about McNabb, let's talk about Earl Campbell. You can see it in that Skoal commercial, tremendous thighs and no one ran with more power. Very sad that he's now a near-complete cripple. The Tyler Rose.

Posted by: shoveit | December 17, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

it was also his decision to BRING HIM IN. And give away 2 draft picks to get him... (unless Snyder's still pulling the strings.)

What could Shanahan learn about McNabb this season that he didn't get from watching his previous 11 years of game film? He should have known what he was getting.

This doesn't speak well of Shanahan's personnel moves, no matter how you slice it.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Excellent point. Nothing else to say

Posted by: ga8085 | December 17, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

who cares about what's good for the team? it's about time to start caring about what's good for the fans. And that means winning! Flush the whole damn team and start over. These guys don't care about winning. All they're worried about is someone's feelings. Good god.

Posted by: bestmick1 | December 17, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure McNabb already looks appealing - regardless of the benching - to teams like the Cardinals and Vikings.

They can give him two things that the Redskins cannot at the monent: multiple talented receivers and some frigging O-line pass protection.

I just hope we can get a decent pick or two for him.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

So Mcnabb has accuracy issues and trouble reading Defenses? Any idiot would of known that watching him for a decade in Philly.


That plus his age is why the trade made no sense to me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Since the offensive line problem has not been addressed no QB will be a success here. Donovan did have some pass blocking before Clinton was injured. Donovan has done a commendable job behind a wet tissue paper line. The Shanahans will look like idiots when Rex becomes a tackling dummy this weekend at Dallas. But they will look even more stupid if they release McNabb. The Vikings or Eagles will pick him up and he will come back to town as the biggest Redskin killer in history. The Skins need to focus on being a winner and not a Marketing Machine.

Posted by: mdcreole | December 17, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

what is this ALMOST certainly would have ledto overtime ??? it's 100% that there would have occured if the ep was made. this is the 2nd time this nonsense has been printed. fact check, please

Posted by: davidklapp | December 17, 2010 1:21 PM


David: There were still a few clicks left on the clock. This means there was a chance, however infinitesimal, that Tampa Bay could have scored again had we tied the game. In other words, since the odds against it were very long, Tampa Bay almost certainly wouldn't have scored again, which is the corollary of saying the game almost certainly would have gone to overtime.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Grossman will be the #1
Beck will be the #2
He's doing it to evaluate the other 2 QBs.
He won't gaurentee he will be back next year.

(Tweeted from Chris Russel)

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I cant help but wonder what the game film looks like. After every game I hear about McNabb missing (not seeing) wide open recievers and bouncing a throw to the check down guy.

Shanny has said "I've seen enough over the last 13 games to make a decision on McNabb"

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 17, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I cant help but wonder what the game film looks like. After every game I hear about McNabb missing (not seeing) wide open recievers and bouncing a throw to the check down guy.

Shanny has said "I've seen enough over the last 13 games to make a decision on McNabb"

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 17, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I've watched this organization completely fall apart for the past 11 years. This season is the final episode.

Posted by: tiredrdsknfan | December 17, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Disrespectful!? Give me a break. Since when do you pay someone tens of millions of dollars out of respect? You pay them for winning football games.

If McNabb had been playing good, he wouldn't have been "disrespected" like this. I think this is a good move -- and might light a fire under McNabb's butt.

Posted by: unclelonghair | December 17, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

It's now offical...Mike Shanahan is the worst coach in Redskin history...Zorn,Supperior even pardee were all better...Synder needs to fire this chump asap...The Skins will never be winners with Shanahan aka Nepoleon in charge....what a prick!

Posted by: BootneyFarnsworth | December 17, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

A previous poster wrote: People crack me up. A TRUE Redskins fan will support the team in the good times and bad. Sure, there's been more bad than good lately, but the NFL's a boonerang, it'll come back around!

No, sometimes franchises with poor ownership stay bad for decades. The Cardinals (Chicago, St. Louis and Arizona) stunk from the 1950s up until Kurt Warner was signed.The Detroit Lions have been just awful since the 1970s or thereabouts.
Oakland, with Al Davis increasingly senile, hasn't won anything since the day of Jim Plunkett. Bad, or tired, or underfunded ownership never wins.

Posted by: jhpurdy | December 17, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I actually like this.. Not the grossman part.. But that's what were left with.. Mcnabb sucks.. And shanahan is going to do a huge overhaul this offseason.. I guaruntee that.. So the "divided" locker room, if your on the short stick against shanny.. Byebye to your job. Shanahan doesn't care WHO you are or WHAT you've done, if your not playing well your @$$ is gonna get benched. We saw it happen to buchanon against gmen. Seriously this offseason probably more than half these washed up vets will be gone.. Landry will be here, banks, LoA.. Orakpo.. Maybe a few others.. But it will finally start a rebuild

Posted by: SteveOman | December 17, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't really follow people who claim it's McNabb's fault for not playing well, and he should be benched. By this logic, the Redskins should field NOBODY.

I'm not a McNabb homer, but it's obvious to anyone that the OL is terrible and his WR corps is atrocious. You could have Peyton Manning or Brady back there and they'd be getting strip-sacked every other play. Yet the Redskins staff look at this and decide it's somehow McNabb's fault -- after a game in which he had over a 100 passer rating, 2 TDs 0 INTs, and marched the Redskins down the field to send it into over time (if they had a competent long snapper, and weren't hexed by a band of gypsies). Plus, the Redskins have the worst defense in the league, so if they fail to score on offense on a single drive they're likely already in the hole.

Posted by: zippyspeed | December 17, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Finally.. I like this except for grossman being the starter.. I have a feeling this offseason is going to be crazy.. Byebye half the team...

Posted by: SteveOman | December 17, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Where's the f u c k i n g poll?

I'm so ready!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 17, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I bet Grossman plays lights out and the doomsayers will be saying on Monday they were behind Grossman all the time.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 17, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

About the best you can say for McNabb is what his agent said: "He's an ambassador for the league."

Ambassador?

Send him to the Middle East then so he can teach terrorists to throw bombs.

terrorist: Why do your throws keep missing the target?

McNabb: That's not my fault.

The target is supposed to bend down to scoop up the bomb before it hits the ground.

At least that's what happened in Philly.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

We have a coach on track to finish the season with a W-L record one game better than Zorn's, benching a quarterback who is on track to have a 4,000+ yard season -- one of the best in team history. Does anyone besides me suspect scapegoating?

Posted by: jbspear | December 17, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

To the tune of that famous old country song....

Agents...don't let your players sign up to be Redskins.....

They'll lie and they'll woo em, pay em then screw em...and make sure what's left of their career is done...

Posted by: N07H4NX | December 17, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

uh-oh, the NAACP will come to protest.....in unity, solidarity and harmony....

Posted by: Rockvillers | December 17, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

There is a case for Hunter Smith to start at QB.

Posted by: double07 | December 17, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who claim McNabb had a good game last week, recall what John Keim wrote about him after that game:

"1. Donovan McNabb has been disappointing. I’m not going to blame the loss on McNabb, but his lack of development in this offense is very telling. And when the offensive coordinator calls for a run to Keiland Williams on third and goal from the 12, that, too, is telling. On a day when a Redskins back rushed for 158 yards in one half, the offense could only manage 16 points. Yes, the conditions were terrible and two short field goals were missed. But McNabb’s passing in the red zone hasn’t been very good. But a ground game like that should have set Washington up for more success. Instead, McNabb made more low throws and had some bad decisions. I don’t see what Kyle Shanahan sees, and it would be nice to hear his honest assessment of what’s gone wrong with McNabb. But I do know that no quarterback should dump a ball off with 14 seconds left in the half and no timeouts with no chance of a score. Had Williams caught the ball, the half likely would have ended without a field goal attempt. Now, McNabb executed the two-minute offense well and took what was available, moving the ball with passes underneath. And he threw a very nice pass to Santana Moss on the touchdown, the result of a good play call, too. An excellent finish. The Redskins will bemoan their lost opportunities, but the Bucs could have said the same thing had they lost; McNabb should have been picked twice. On one throw, like last week, he had plenty of time and still threw almost right at a defender. Sometimes McNabb just looks old in the pocket and I wonder where this is headed next season. Now, get him a major playmaker and a consistent ground game and that will help any quarterback. But that also makes McNabb like a lot of other quarterbacks. Which means they must draft one in April, probably in the first two rounds.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Prediction: If the Skins don't win 8 games next year and/or collapse over the second half of the season like they're doing now... Snyder pulls the trigger on Shanny at the end of next year.

I've seen this play before!

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

If this is true, this is Shanny giving Snyder the finger. Ridiculous.

Posted by: RiggoRocks | December 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I bet Grossman plays lights out and the doomsayers will be saying on Monday they were behind Grossman all the time.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 17, 2010 1:36 PM
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yeah it'll be lights out for Grossman..they'll be peeling him off the turf in Texas...or he better hope someone turn the lights out so Dallas Dlinemen and LB's can't see him...i guess Rexy is still sexy to Kyle...he must be superhead or took lessons from her

Posted by: BootneyFarnsworth | December 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Look, if they're going to suck for a couple more years, I'd rather they suck with YOUNG players, ya know?

I still think the key is getting AH to Detroit for a high pick.

I think it's clear now that the Shannys will draft a QB - either Newton or Mallet.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

At the end of the day...is McNabb worth the $12M he would be owed if he were brought back?

McNabb keeps on begging fo the benefit of the doubt. But when you keep asking for benefit of the doubt, eventually people will start to doubt your benefit.

He is not coming back so the question is (and we will find out) is Grossman good enough to start while our draft pick learns the offense

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 17, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

We get better picks in return from the Saints if we give them our 3rd. So if you don't understand that one, well I can't help you either.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | December 17, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Karen, for the one millionth time, this trade is over and the terms are set. We can't make the playoffs, we can't win 9 games and McNabb is mathematically eliminated from the Pro Bowl (OK, Made that up, but you get the point).

It's over Karen, OVER!

*This post should be read in the voice and tone of Ray Liotta's character in Goodfellas for full effect.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

McChump is disrespected anywhere he goes. His mom says so, his dad says so, his agent says so.

We had to deal with this garbage for 10 years in Philly. Get used to it....

Along with the high, low and behind passes and lack of leadership.

Posted by: enabler1 | December 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Prediction: If the Skins don't win 8 games next year and/or collapse over the second half of the season like they're doing now... Snyder pulls the trigger on Shanny at the end of next year.

I've seen this play before!

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 1:42 PM
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I hope you're right..i'd just amend it to pulling the trigger at the end of this season...like i said since last season we should have hired Dungy

Posted by: BootneyFarnsworth | December 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

What's this got to do with anything, particularly McNabb's benching?
___________________________________________

Great Earl Campbell commercial, for you Oldies.

Would never happen now, ever.

http://www.casttv.com/video/37ybq11/earl-campbell-for-skoal-1980-video

Posted by: gatorskinz2000

Posted by: lwilliamson1 | December 17, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Nothing. If you dont want to watch the video or read the post, then dont. Skip right over it, this America and you have that right.

Enjoy your day.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | December 17, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

No question that DMac has his warts however he has been a solid QB over the years. No, I don't see him being the problem. The problem is with those who thought that at this point in his career he was the missing piece that could turn a 4-12 team into a winning team.

Posted by: plzgetreal | December 17, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

3.5 Million disrespectful reasons? No way

Posted by: realfutball | December 17, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens are starting to look pretty-good

Posted by: paperry83 | December 17, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

McChump is disrespected anywhere he goes. His mom says so, his dad says so, his agent says so.

We had to deal with this garbage for 10 years in Philly. Get used to it....

Along with the high, low and behind passes and lack of leadership.

Posted by: enabler1 | December 17, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Prediction: If the Skins don't win 8 games next year and/or collapse over the second half of the season like they're doing now... Snyder pulls the trigger on Shanny at the end of next year.

I've seen this play before!

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 1:42 PM
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I hope you're right..i'd just amend it to pulling the trigger at the end of this season...like i said since last season we should have hired Dungy

Posted by: BootneyFarnsworth | December 17, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Those of you who think this is not disrespectful are ALL IDIOTS and STUPID...How can the QB do his job if he doesn't have a front line to block, we need crazy clue to help catch the ball and a kicker who missing two close goals and a holder who drops the ball. I guess this is Nabbs fault too. Blame the QB that's easy but the QB gets the plays from the stupid A__ coaches. Dummy#1 and Son Dummy#2.

Posted by: deshay46 | December 17, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

McNabb's agent is a lawyer and as a 'Mouthpiece' it is his responsibility to maintain the publicly viable and profitable 'Cash Cow' known as Donovan McNabb.

Mike Shanahan is the coach of the Redskins and it is his responsibility to turn the franchise around and make it a perenial contender.

It is important to see what product resides in the back-up QB position. Of course we have the Chicago history and the one play against Detroit, but more needs to be gleaned under the Kyle Shannahan tuteledge.

I'm sure the head coach spoke w/McNabb advising him that he is their QB of the future. Why injure your franchise QB in a meaningless game? Lets see what we have as a back-up. If he is as bad as he is made out to be, then we need to get a different, more effective back-up.

Common sense makes all the sense in the world, wouldn't you agree?

Posted by: QUICKSILVER_1 | December 17, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

A previous thread re-born:

This is how it works, and _____________ understands


Fill-in the blank:

a. Hunter Smith

b. Donovan McNabb

c. Albert Haynesworth

d. Devin Thomas

e. Larry Johnson

f. Willie Parker

g. all of the above

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I think it’s safe to say we’re not reloading this team…I’m thinking implosion. Break it down and start from scratch. 2010...a year to remember?

Posted by: stu_pid | December 17, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Time for the Ghost of Christmas Past...Jack Kent Cooke where are you? Bring back the 80's and all of the DC lawyers huddle and come up with a play to get rid of Danny Boy.

Posted by: jimmyB3rd | December 17, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Peter King on the McNabb benching:

In March, Andy Reid couldn't believe there weren't more teams in the NFL interested in trading less than a first-round pick for McNabb. In fact, there was only one: Washington. I've found out recently that the Raiders did not have a viable trade offer on the table; the Eagles could have gotten maybe a fourth-round pick from Oakland for him, but nothing like the offer headed by a second-rounder from Washington. Had the Redskins not come through with their offer, Reid probably would have held on to McNabb and let the best quarterback win the job in Philadelphia this year.

So now it's eight months after the McNabb trade to Washington, and a second highly respected quarterback guy, Mike Shanahan, has spurned McNabb. Whether you like the move or hate it (and I find the timing questionable, certainly, with McNabb having played better than average Sunday in the 17-16 loss to Tampa Bay), the one thing you have to admit is this: Two smart quarterback men have turned thumbs-down on McNabb in the span of nine months. You can defend McNabb all you want, and Lord knows he has his legions of defenders out there, but Reid and Shanahan are in the business of winning football games. Both have been to Super Bowls. Shanahan's won two of them. And both said they thought they could do better than McNabb.

Reid was under tremendous pressure to be right when he traded McNabb within the division. And 13 games into McNabb's Washington career, Shanahan is under tremendous pressure to be right in playing Grossman. My point is: Criticize Shanahan for his handling of McNabb and for thinking Grossman is anything but a backup, and acknowledge that McNabb is hamstrung by poor offensive support, but understand that McNabb bears a prominent role in this too. He's 25th in the league in passer rating, 26th in touchdown-to-interception ratio, 27th in accuracy.

One point you should know: Before the infamous benching in Week 8, Shanahan went to McNabb and told him he thought he was sufficiently hobbled by two hamstring strains that he should sit out the game that week, in Detroit, and then rest during the team's bye week; that way, he'd have a solid 16 days before he had to go back to practice and prepare for the first game after the bye. McNabb said he felt OK to play, and so he played. He still hasn't been able to be as mobile as the team would like. That's got to play some role in Shanahan's decision.

But this isn't a decision I would have made. I'm not on the inside, but Shanahan had to know that his locker room would be roiling over this, and NFL Network's Jason LaCanfora quote one unidentified Redskins player as saying the locker room was very angry over it. If you have a prospect you think can be a candidate to play, fine -- play him. But Grossman shouldn't be anyone's starter. Shanahan's going to have some fence-mending to do.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

What's strange is McNabbs on pace for nearly 4200 yards...and it hasn't felt like it at all. Injuries in the past have kept his production down, but he's never gone over 4000.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

monk811:

Either my post went over your head or you need to increase your meds. I was agreeing with you.

Mike

SU 1972

Posted by: mikenchicago | December 17, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Washington DC on Daniel Snyder era Redskins: "This team is pathetic, depressing, frustrating, disheartening"

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 17, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse


How bout we trade up to get Luck.. Not every year a QB like him comes out of a draft. Way more often you get Jason campbells

Posted by: SteveOman | December 17, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

What else did you expect, Mr. Fletcher N. Smith? It's the mediocre Washington Redskins dammit!

P.S. Tell Donovan not to forget your fat commission as you search for another team for him to sign with at the end of the season.

Posted by: sjcsando | December 17, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Bring back the 80's

Posted by: jimmyB3rd | December 17, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Manley can stay off drugs this time around.

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan has the right to bench McNabb for poor play, but to not even tell him to his face is inexcusable. There's good reason to be dissatisfied with McNabb's play this year, but his character and class should at least earn him the right to be treated with a lot more dignity than the Shanahans have shown, instead of having to find out where he stands with them through the press.

Posted by: DJC88 | December 17, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

LOL at the "over Karen, OVER"

anyway, McNabb has sucked, and I'm sorry all the "he didn't have this/that, O-line sucks, etc" is just excuses. great QB's elevate all that and he did not.

now in his later years when he can't run away from defenders like he used to, he's very average at best. I liked the signing, but I hate what I see from him every Sunday.

he's not the answer, so we move on, and right at this moment the only thing we have to move on to is RG, who I seem to remember did play in a Superbowl. hmmm.

I know he's not the answer either but it's teardown time fellas.

Posted by: greatteamdan | December 17, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The worst part is Shanny is making this move now. See, outside of St. Joes good years we've stunk. The one carrot that made us forget about it is beating the Cowgirls. This move tells me he REALLY doesn't get it. Its disrespectful to the fans.

Somehow, someway he's convince that enormous ego of his that Rex gives him a better chance to win. After months of telling everyone that the best players will play, he's caught in yet another lie.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens are starting to look pretty-good

Posted by: paperry83 | December 17, 2010 1:47 PM

Hey...if you hurry you may be able to start your very own Ravens Roost by next season!

www.councilrr.com

See ya!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

To all the Dix that hate me, and sling insults, I effin told you effin soooooooo. LOL

laughing stock

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

How bout we trade up to get Luck.. Not every year a QB like him comes out of a draft. Way more often you get Jason campbells

Posted by: SteveOman | December 17, 2010 1:55 PM

You can win with Jason Campbells... it's the Jamarcus Russells and Ryan Leafs you gotta worry about.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about his benching? The season and playoffs are done. This is good for McNabb cause he will be able to focus on his cardiovascular endurance during this time and come back better. Personally, I think it is a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world i.e. Snyder and Grossman!! haha...!

Posted by: shalshah | December 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

LOL at the "over Karen, OVER"

anyway, McNabb has sucked, and I'm sorry all the "he didn't have this/that, O-line sucks, etc" is just excuses. great QB's elevate all that and he did not.

now in his later years when he can't run away from defenders like he used to, he's very average at best. I liked the signing, but I hate what I see from him every Sunday.

he's not the answer, so we move on, and right at this moment the only thing we have to move on to is RG, who I seem to remember did play in a Superbowl. hmmm.

I know he's not the answer either but it's teardown time fellas.

Posted by: greatteamdan | December 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Snyder will take away Shanny's play calling duties and bring back the bingo caller.

Posted by: mrlowery1 | December 17, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

monk811:

Either my post went over your head or you need to increase your meds. I was agreeing with you.

Mike

SU 1972

Posted by: mikenchicago | December 17, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Probably a little of both.

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

This isn't Shanahan's first time with a controversial benching. Besides the bizarre two minute monstrosity in Detroit, I still remember the shock waves when Shanny was coaching the Broncos and benched Jake Plummer for Jay Cutler in 2006, despite the fact that their record was 7-4.

Note that NONE of these benchings worked out well. Cutler was a disaster and the Broncos missed the playoffs. And we all remember what happened in Detroit.

Interesting, while researching this, found a comment from Plummer on the McNabb benching...

http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2010/11/4/1793925/donovan-mcnabb-benching-mike-shanahan-jake-plummer

Posted by: markgo | December 17, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Snyder takes away Shanny's play calling duties and brings back the bingo caller.

Posted by: mrlowery1 | December 17, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

What's strange is McNabb's on pace for nearly 4200 yards...and it hasn't felt like it at all.

Go outside and run around your house in a circle 4200 times.

And if you feel like you haven't gone any where, then you know what the redskin offense feels like.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I was going to say good things “fans” don’t run the team. Because they cannot see talent or know how to run a football team, but then I remembered that Snyder is the “Biggest Fan” and I realized where the problem lies.

After 35 years of Skins support, I bought a Flacco jersey today. Say what you want, this ownership does not deserve our support (i.e. money)

Posted by: ericmc1998 | December 17, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I was going to say good things “fans” don’t run the team. Because they cannot see talent or know how to run a football team, but then I remembered that Snyder is the “Biggest Fan” and I realized where the problem lies.

After 35 years of Skins support, I bought a Flacco jersey today. Say what you want, this ownership does not deserve our support (i.e. money)

Posted by: ericmc1998 | December 17, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

This is bullsh!t! McNabb is being the fall guy for a line that boasts three centers. It not the qb, it's the people around him. The offense has had no running game except for a couple weeks. Shannahan called for a run at 3rd and goal from the 6 last week.

Therefore, Shannahan should be held under the same scrutiny that he has given McNabb. One and done. If we're going to rebuild this thing do it with someone who has the TALENT to pick the right pieces. Shannahan picked 25 guys this year and only Trent Williams is a keeper. 4% will not get the job done.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 17, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Either my post went over your head or you need to increase your meds. I was agreeing with you.

Posted by: mikenchicago | December 17, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Probably a little of both.

Posted by: monk811 | December 17, 2010 2:00 PM

No doubt our monk may need to tweak his mix of meds a bit...but your post was a HUGE waste of time for everyone here...especially yourself.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I really don't care about this.

We are going to run the ball a ton anyway.

Besides McNabb has stunk this year, I was all on his ballsack when we traded for him but oh well.

Why risk getting him hurt? Send him to Arizona for a 3rd, possibly a 2nd, and send FattyMcFatFats to Detroit for a 2nd or 3rd.

CHAMPIONSHIP.

And iH8dallas.

I hope we spread their cheeks and buttf_ck them on Sunday.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

How about our very own Coach Shanahan replacing Jake Plummer with Jay Cutler... Plummer was 7-4 at the time.

Much better example.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 27, 2010 10:33 AM


Better...but still no cigar.

Plummer's numbers that year?

175 of 317 (55.2% comp.%), 1994 yards, 11 TDs, 13 INTs...plus 7 fumbles. When McNabb turns the ball over 20 times in 11 games, we can talk.

McNabb is the best we can do in 2010 and probably in 2011. Fix the line, fix the WRs, stop playing musical chairs with the QB and actually give one some weapons to be successful. Forcing a QB to win games by himself is the kind of idiocy that kept Philly ringless...let's not make the same mistake.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 27, 2010 10:48 AM


This is the discussion between Brownie and me almost 2 months ago... I am not surprised by what Shanahan is doing.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

did fletch say the same thing when he was benched last season ?

Posted by: miked4 | December 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Why do these knuckleheads feel the need to announce they're becoming Ravens fans?

I doubt they were EVER Redskins fans, but whatever. No one is going to miss you.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Send him to Arizona for a 3rd, possibly a 2nd, and send FattyMcFatFats to Detroit for a 2nd or 3rd.

"fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life"...

you can't possibly think that either of what you've suggested above has a snowballs chance in hades of happening....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

i hope McNabb goes off on Shanahan at the end of this year. and i know want them to get there ass kicked by Dallas prove once and for all a qb change wont fix what is wrong with this team

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | December 17, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

What an idiotic move. McNabb had not been great, but at least in part that is because we have a woefully deficient offensive line and no real playmakers on offense who pose a significant threat to defesnes. I also think that McNabb has the respect of the other players in the locker room. Now they are going to bench him in favor of Rex Grossman?!!! Grossman may be a fine young man, but he has proven throughout his career that he is an immobile, mistake-prone and not even mediocre quaterback. If the Redskins had a bright young prospect on their roster and wanted to take a look, that would make some sense, given that this season is now lost. But Rex Grossman?!!! All that will do is downgrade the position and further exacerbate the already obvious problems that Shanahan has in the locker room. Rex Grossman?!!!

Posted by: nrjlh | December 17, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I hope we spread their cheeks and buttf_ck them on Sunday.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010 2:08 PM |


Duuuuude. I just ate lunch. Aaaaaagghhhh!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 17, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Send him to Arizona for a 3rd, possibly a 2nd, and send FattyMcFatFats to Detroit for a 2nd or 3rd.

"fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life"...

you can't possibly think that either of what you've suggested above has a snowballs chance in hades of happening....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

You're right Greg, I don't know.

I guess you would because of your vast experience as the GM of an NFL team.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I hope we spread their cheeks and buttf_ck them on Sunday.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Easy there sunshine.

Moe- beautiful line about running around the house.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

You're reading the market wrong, guy:

Send him to Arizona for a 3rd, possibly a 2nd, and send FattyMcFatFats to Detroit for a 2nd or 3rd.


The market for McNabb: a third/fourth

The market for Hanyesworth: a fifth/sixth

Teams know we are trying to get rid of these guys, so you're not going to get a 1st and 2nd for either of them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I hope we spread their cheeks and buttf_ck them on Sunday.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010 2:08 PM |

Duuuuude. I just ate lunch. Aaaaaagghhhh!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 17, 2010 2:15 PM

Hahah...was thinking the same thing...I would have put it a different way...but yeah!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 17, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

If THIS does'nt prove the Skin's are done for the season ,NOTHING will!! HARK ,I think I see The Cowboy's,TROUNCING all over GROSS-MAN!!!

Posted by: lnyk | December 17, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

If THIS does'nt prove the Skin's are done for the season ,NOTHING will!! HARK ,I think I see The Cowboy's,TROUNCING all over GROSS-MAN!!!

Posted by: lnyk | December 17, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

First of all let's face it, giving away draft picks for McNabb was a grave error. Who made that decision? He's washed up. I think Grossman is horrible also but he shouldn't be any less effective than #5. These folks that keep mentioning a 2nd rounder from AZ or MN must have lost their minds. Little snyder the spyder is the only owner capable of doing something so stupid. A 5th rounder at best. Also those wishful thinkers that believe anyone is going to give us something for fatso are delusional. He'll be cut first. FK the cowhoes! Long live the Skins!!

Posted by: kublacon20716 | December 17, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 17, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

If this is the road we're taking then there will be more Giants fans than empty seats at FedEx for the last home game.

If the Danny can sit and watch that as we get ramroded by out last four divisional foes and does not make a change THEN he has changed by I fear we make be back to the Vinny.

Say it aint so Santa.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 17, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

This thing is about money they don't want to pay him the 10 million dollar roster bonus due at the end of this season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5812371

Posted by: 70chiponwhite | December 17, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

h8, was just kind of applying logic to the situation.

the best we could get for AH before the trading deadline was a 4th rounder, and now that the player in question has been suspended for conduct issues, suddenly his trade value increases....what??

we trade a 2nd and a 4th for mcnabb, who has his worst season EVER, and his trade value is only SLIGHTLY lessened...um..I have swamp land I can sell you...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Just had a Raider fan tell me that my Skins are disfunctional. Its taken a while but this is officially ROCK BOTTOM.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

McChump is disrespected anywhere he goes. His mom says so, his dad says so, his agent says so.

We had to deal with this garbage for 10 years in Philly. Get used to it....

Along with the high, low and behind passes and lack of leadership.

Posted by: enabler1 | December 17, 2010 1:48 PM=
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The guy has been to 4 NFC Championships and a Super Bowl, yet lacks "leadership skills".

Sonny Jurgensen never played in a super bowl. Ddi he lack leadership skills too? How about Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Jim Kelly, Ron Jaworski, and Rich Gannon? Did they lack the leadership skills necessary to win the Super Bowl too?

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | December 17, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Why is everybody in such an uproar? It's Friday, chillax.

McNabb has stunk this year and he got benched.

we will draft a QB this year(fingers crossed for Mallett).

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

If one demands elite pay, one needs to perform at an elite level.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | December 17, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Same idiots posting on here about DM throws in the dirt as justification for his benching are the same idiots that blamed JC for the ugly 2 seasons under Zorn. It has to be the QB because it cannot be the coach or management. This current coach seems to like drama. It is not enough for him that this is Dallas week, he has to be relevant, so he benches his starting QB McNabb. I've always liked DM until he replaced JC. I thought the trade was stupid - an aging Pro Bowl QB, for a young unproven QB who had increased his play every year. One QB progressing, the other regressing. No matter how questionable the trade, this latest move, coupled with all the other questionables moves leaves me to believe that Shanny is senile and incapable of coaching this team. At the very least, he is not the right coach for any team that is rebuilding while trying to stay competitive.

Posted by: SPUD2 | December 17, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

5th or 6th for AH92? I think you're the one who is off base there.

Don't make the mistake of believing that the Washington Redskins are the ONLY one of 32 teams with needs that have to be addressed, and who are willing to part with picks to address them.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Disrespectfull, WHY, Philly didn't want the loser,why Redskins. A great guy,but a loser of big games, sorry thats the way it is.

Posted by: dcg326 | December 17, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Same idiots posting on here about DM throws in the dirt as justification for his benching are the same idiots that blamed JC for the ugly 2 seasons under Zorn. It has to be the QB because it cannot be the coach or management. This current coach seems to like drama. It is not enough for him that this is Dallas week, he has to be relevant, so he benches his starting QB McNabb. I've always liked DM until he replaced JC. I thought the trade was stupid - an aging Pro Bowl QB, for a young unproven QB who had increased his play every year. One QB progressing, the other regressing. No matter how questionable the trade, this latest move, coupled with all the other questionables moves leaves me to believe that Shanny is senile and incapable of coaching this team. At the very least, he is not the right coach for any team that is rebuilding while trying to stay competitive.

Posted by: SPUD2 | December 17, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Same idiots posting on here about DM throws in the dirt as justification for his benching are the same idiots that blamed JC for the ugly 2 seasons under Zorn. It has to be the QB because it cannot be the coach or management. This current coach seems to like drama. It is not enough for him that this is Dallas week, he has to be relevant, so he benches his starting QB McNabb. I've always liked DM until he replaced JC. I thought the trade was stupid - an aging Pro Bowl QB, for a young unproven QB who had increased his play every year. One QB progressing, the other regressing. No matter how questionable the trade, this latest move, coupled with all the other questionables moves leaves me to believe that Shanny is senile and incapable of coaching this team. At the very least, he is not the right coach for any team that is rebuilding while trying to stay competitive.

Posted by: SPUD2 | December 17, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

McChump is disrespected anywhere he goes. His mom says so, his dad says so, his agent says so.

We had to deal with this garbage for 10 years in Philly. Get used to it....

Along with the high, low and behind passes and lack of leadership.

Posted by: enabler1 | December 17, 2010 1:48 PM=
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The guy has been to 4 NFC Championships and a Super Bowl, yet lacks "leadership skills".

Sonny Jurgensen never played in a super bowl. Ddi he lack leadership skills too? How about Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Jim Kelly, Ron Jaworski, and Rich Gannon? Did they lack the leadership skills necessary to win the Super Bowl too?

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | December 17, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm inclined to believe AH will be released and then play for the Giants while getting paid from Dan’s $.
Cooley traded to the Colts.
McNabb released...no trade...

Posted by: stu_pid | December 17, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

h8, was just kind of applying logic to the situation.

the best we could get for AH before the trading deadline was a 4th rounder, and now that the player in question has been suspended for conduct issues, suddenly his trade value increases....what??

we trade a 2nd and a 4th for mcnabb, who has his worst season EVER, and his trade value is only SLIGHTLY lessened...um..I have swamp land I can sell you...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 2:23 PM
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I'm afraid the only guy they could trade for draft picks is Carter. Who would want to give up anything for Haynesworth after this season? McNabb will be released and teams know it. He has to be viewed skeptically after this season. Dockery might be successful elsewhere but teams know he doesn't fit here. I just don't see all of these trades happening. The Redskins might be able to add one low round pick for Carter, but that seems to me to be about it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 17, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Gotta figure a lot of folks in the Redskins front office had to go to the dictionary in an effort figure out what exactly Fletcher M. Smith was trying to communicate.

Was he trying to:

Talk about "respect" with anyone responsible for the building and sustaining the perennial league laughingstocks?

Talk about "class" with Dandy Dan and his disciples?

Talk about "honesty," “commitment,” and "trust" with Ol' Sham-I-am and his cronies?

If so, we must know they were wasted words – spoken in what might say is a highly peculiar language that no one here appears understand.

Mr. Smith could have just as well said it in Sanskrit.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 17, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm willing to give Rex a chance. You got one guy cheering for ya Sexy Rexy. Go put on a show in Jerrah's palace.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 17, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Why is everybody in such an uproar? It's Friday, chillax.

McNabb has stunk this year and he got benched.

we will draft a QB this year(fingers crossed for Mallett).

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010

Mallet will get killed and run out of town just like every QB in this organization for the past 15 years. As I said when JC was the scapegoat last year, until the line is better it doesn't matter who's at QB.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Donovan McNabb is OK by me...it's the rest of the team that's continually throwing the games away!!!

I said this back in April...the QB won't help improve the game if the offensive line stinks. Now the DEFENSE isn't doing its job!

The Curse of Raljon Strikes Again!!! Just don't expect a big win over the Cowboys this weekend.

Too many blown opportunities [Detroit, Minnesota, Tampa Bay...]the list goes on and on. Sure wish to heck that THIS COACH and THIS OWNER would finally put things together.

Next year...there may be no chance...the Great Lockout is staring us in the face!!!

Posted by: Bombo47jea | December 17, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"Disrespectful" is completely the wrong word here. No one is owed any "respect" when you're 5-8 and eliminated from playoff contention.

I have little hope for Rex or John Beck, but I think McNabb has proved he's not the answer for this team.

Posted by: drischord | December 17, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

If THIS does'nt prove the Skin's are done for the season ,NOTHING will!! HARK ,I think I see The Cowboy's,TROUNCING all over GROSS-MAN!!!

Posted by: lnyk | December 17, 2010 2:21 PM
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lnyk - you missed the boat, they've been done for quite some time.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 17, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

If THIS does'nt prove the Skin's are done for the season ,NOTHING will!! HARK ,I think I see The Cowboy's,TROUNCING all over GROSS-MAN!!!

Posted by: lnyk | December 17, 2010 2:21 PM
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lnyk - you missed the boat, they've been done for quite some time.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 17, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

And one more comment...If you're gonna bench the quarterback DON'T START GROSSMAN. We know what Grossman did last time he was put in the game...and BTW, please add the Texans to that list of blown opportunities. Those four games comprise the difference between a playoff spot and "home for the offseason".

If I benched Donovan I'd start the rookie QB rather than Grossman to see what he can do in an NFL situation. The season is already shot, so no damage is done--unless he beats the Cowboys--it damages THEIR playoff chances!!!

In addition, it looks as though the NHL has found out how to handle Ovechkin, Semin & Co....just play the Caps the way the Canadiens did in the first round last year.

Posted by: Bombo47jea | December 17, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

And one more comment...If you're gonna bench the quarterback DON'T START GROSSMAN. We know what Grossman did last time he was put in the game...and BTW, please add the Texans to that list of blown opportunities. Those four games comprise the difference between a playoff spot and "home for the offseason".

If I benched Donovan I'd start the rookie QB rather than Grossman to see what he can do in an NFL situation. The season is already shot, so no damage is done--unless he beats the Cowboys--it damages THEIR playoff chances!!!

In addition, it looks as though the NHL has found out how to handle Ovechkin, Semin & Co....just play the Caps the way the Canadiens did in the first round last year.

Posted by: Bombo47jea | December 17, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

And one more comment...If you're gonna bench the quarterback DON'T START GROSSMAN. We know what Grossman did last time he was put in the game...and BTW, please add the Texans to that list of blown opportunities. Those four games comprise the difference between a playoff spot and "home for the offseason".

If I benched Donovan I'd start the rookie QB rather than Grossman to see what he can do in an NFL situation. The season is already shot, so no damage is done--unless he beats the Cowboys--it damages THEIR playoff chances!!!

In addition, it looks as though the NHL has found out how to handle Ovechkin, Semin & Co....just play the Caps the way the Canadiens did in the first round last year.

Posted by: Bombo47jea | December 17, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

But he kept the kicker? And who is playing DT again? Only a matter of time before he gets fired. Shanny must go. He is old and done. The game has passed him by. And he will never fire his son - who is clueless. Real talk: All you Shanny apologists need to cut it out. Grossman sucks. Play the "young studs" ? Shanny did not draft any. Hail to the Redskins? I've had enough of the Redskins. Checking out the Ravens Sunday

Posted by: MikeMIke3 | December 17, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Beyond disrespectful?????? what a joke. McNabb needs to MUZZLE his agent. They are both disrespected all the way to the bank probably pulling down in one week what most of the posters make in one year. Let's see what this other QB's got, ain't gonna hurt anything but Grossman's tail after he picks himself up off the turf this weekend. Open competition at all positions, should do well for a losing team trying to get better.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 17, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Please feel free to strip the extra postings...it's taking awfully long to post a comment!

Posted by: Bombo47jea | December 17, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Beyond disrespectful?????? what a joke. McNabb needs to MUZZLE his agent. They are both disrespected all the way to the bank probably pulling down in one week what most of the posters make in one year. Let's see what this other QB's got, ain't gonna hurt anything but Grossman's tail after he picks himself up off the turf this weekend. Open competition at all positions, should do well for a losing team trying to get better.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 17, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Please feel free to strip the extra postings...it's taking awfully long to post a comment!

Posted by: Bombo47jea | December 17, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I love it. For years we've complained about needing change. Well here it is, folks, and it burns like the dickens. But guess what, our crappy locker room is going to be all gone next year, along with Donovan - who has stunk. Rex isn't the answer, but he is a short term solution while the team gets younger and better. Anybody remember Doug Pederson from oh about 10 years ago - paving the way for a young McNabb. McNabb was a good try, but it didn't work out. It just proved how much of this needs to be blown up. Now, the front office and the coaching staff know exactly what they got and one semi-washed up QB was not the answer this team needed. This offseason is going to be painful. In two years, the Skins are in the playoffs. That's what I want for Christmas 2012. And then, the world will end along with the Mayan Calendar, as God intended, with the Skins winning. HTTR.

Posted by: PASkinsFan1 | December 17, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Who cares?
--Signed, Redskins fan of 30+ years.

Posted by: wbbradb | December 17, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan had over 10 years of tape to check out McNabb. He gave up a second rounder for him and now think he is not the QB for the team?

By benching him and believing that Grossman gives the Skins a better chance to win, Shanahan is admitting he is either a bad coach or a bad judge of talent.

While AH had a lot of problems, one of Shanahans responsibilities is to get the most out of his players. He got zero out of one of the league's most dominant defensisive linemen.

Make no mistake - this shows just how bad a coach the man is.

He cannot motivate and he cannot judge talent.

When he did not have a guy named Elway on the roster he had losing seasons despite having his own hand-picked QB.

Welcome to the cellar of the NFL for at least the next two seasons.

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Posted by: oldnova | December 17, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

SHANAHAN IS WASHED UP ONLY STUPID GREEDY SNYDER WOULD HIRE HIM.

MCNABB WILL END UP COMING TO FEDEX KILLING THE SKINS FOR A 400YD GAME.

ANY COACH THAT BRINGS REX GROSSMAN IN AS A BACKUP KNOWS NOTHING.

IT'S NOT THE SAME GAME I GREW UP WITH SO I'LL BE WATCHING NETFLIX NEXT FALL.

I know the IDOIT NEW FANS WILL BE AT FEDEX DRINKNING AND CRYING ABOUT HOW BAD THE TEAM PLAYING.

(I have little hope for Rex or John Beck, but I think McNabb has proved he's not the answer for this team.)

SO WITH THE LINE THE SKINS HAVE NOW TOM BRADY WONDER BOY WOULD DO WELL IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING OUT THERE?

I GUESS JASON CAMBELL SUCCESS WITH THE RAIDERS IS A FLUKE AND HE WOULD HAVE BEEN HORRIBLE IN SHANAHAN OFFENSE.

KEEP SPENDING YOUR MONEY WITH SNYDER, I'M OUT!

Posted by: shamken | December 17, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to the cellar of the NFL for at least the next two seasons.

Posted by: oldnova
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If that's the case it's going to be a soft landing cause we weren't very high up....

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 17, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Amazing how this organization picks up these coaches who create chaos on this team in one form or another. Is it possible that Gibbs can come back? That's the only time this team has seem to have had some type of peace and success.

Posted by: dmayfiel | December 17, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Help me to understand why this is so disrespectful?

McNabb has had an avg season @ best. Sure, the O-Line is weak & there have been a lot of dropped balls. Head coach decides he wants to eval other players under live fire conditions. What's wrong w/ that? It's not like this hasn't happened to McNabb before.

Posted by: wp264 | December 17, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

It was disrespectful for them not to tell McNabb before it leaked out to the public. I never liked Shanahan and he never was that great with his other team.
All you X-Redskins, guess you won't have anything to grip about from now on. But just wait we may not have Football next year if the players & owners don't agree. What will all of you do then. Myself I love my team even if they lose, and hopefully there will be football next year. Merry Christmas & GO SKINS!!

Posted by: SmilingCountry63 | December 17, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"I'd tie the benching to Chris Cooley's comments earlier this week.

Cooley said that in the Bucs' game, he was open, but for some reason, the ball didn't come his way.

All season long, various play-by-play announcers have stated that when McNabb has had time to throw, he's missed open receivers, or thrown the ball off the mark."...........

Posted by: MistaMoe |

Moe, all season long Cooley, Davis, Moss, Sellers, Galloway, Williams etc. have all repeatedly dropped passes that were right in their hands. Thrown by none other than McNabb. Many of them TD passes. Cooley needs to STFU

Posted by: BenThere | December 17, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"I'd tie the benching to Chris Cooley's comments earlier this week.

Cooley said that in the Bucs' game, he was open, but for some reason, the ball didn't come his way.

All season long, various play-by-play announcers have stated that when McNabb has had time to throw, he's missed open receivers, or thrown the ball off the mark."...........

Posted by: MistaMoe |

Moe, all season long Cooley, Davis, Moss, Sellers, Galloway, Williams etc. have all repeatedly dropped passes that were right in their hands. Thrown by none other than McNabb. Many of them TD passes. Cooley needs to STFU

Posted by: BenThere | December 17, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan doesn't have a clue. McNabb is not the problem. Shanahan is. Soon he'll run out of people to blame for his ineptitude.

Posted by: Amelgepo | December 17, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Living in NM, I've only seen McNabb a few times this year. He's a class guy and always entertaining. I watch Redskins games largely because of him.

Statistically, I see he's down the ladder at 77, way below Brady at 109. The biggest issues contributing to that rating are his low completion percentage and high number of sacks. The games I've observed this year have made it painfully clear that the Redskins O line is awful.

Does the Shanahan regime really think Grossman is more mobile than McNabb and that he'll fare better in the pocket?

And to the dittohead losers posting "Told you so" here, get lost, creeps. You don't have an ounce of the class of a Donovan McNabb.

Posted by: abqcleve | December 17, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I blame the executors of Jack Kent Cooke's estate for the current state of the Redskins. The team I grew up rooting for has morphed from one of the NFL's premier franchises to one that is more poorly run than the Raiders, a former employer of supposed GM Bruce Allen. Our Offensive coordinator only has a job because of his last name, and by the way, he didn't call the plays in Houston, his embattled former boss Gary Kubiak did. Kubiak is doing so well he could be getting fired as soon as next week. They bring in a new defensive coordinator and convert a historically 4-3 team into a 3-4 team without significantly changing the personnel in the front 7. Predictably, the defense is at the bottom of the NFL rankings due to the fact that the personnel doesn't fit the scheme. Andre Carter has been marginalized, and will be on another team next year.

As for McNabb, this has been painful to watch. For those who forget, the Redskins actually asked the Eagles about Vick first, and then traded for McNabb, and as Peter King said, offered more than the Eagles were seeking. The deal was made by the current management, so we can't blame Vinny. The offensive line sucks, and Peyton Manning and Tom Brady wouldn't be lighting it up with no time to throw the ball and a group of receivers who drop the ball and can't get open. At least 3 of McNabb's interceptions have either bounced off of a receiver's chest or off his hands into the waiting hands of a defender who could catch the ball (unlike that whiner Carloser Rogers). The team stinks out loud, and they have to rebuild the o-line starting with center. Rabach can't handle a good nose tackle, and guess what, every other team in the division has a good nose tackle. We have a $100 million DT who could be the best nose tackle in football but he won't do it, and now is sitting out so that Shanahan can prove who's really in charge. Top it all off with the game day "experience" when you go to a game (I've been to two this year). Tickets are overpriced, half the fans are drunk before halftime, the stadium is inconvenient, the parking setup is the worst I've ever seen, and the 4-5 hour trip home is awful. I absolutely despise Dan Snyder and this is all ultimately his fault. Everyone talks about Shanahan's Super Bowls, but he won those with a qb that he inherited (Elway). After Elway's retirement, he hasn't even made the Super Bowl, much less done much in the playoffs. The QBs he drafted, Jay Cutler and Jake Plummer, have been average at best, and Plummer's done. He drafted Portis, and then traded him to DC for Champ, who we could use now. The bottom line is that a bunch of guys on this year's team, including McNabb, will be gone when the season starts next year. As for this weekend, I love the Skins but I can see it coming: 34-6 Cowboys. It won't be close, in fact it won't even be competitive. Beck will play late in the game, and you'll see why Miami dumped him in favor of Henne. He sucks out loud.

Posted by: orangeskin | December 17, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

You know what? Not even worried about McNabb. He'll do well next year for sure when he's out of DC. But you have to ask this question: Why in the heck is Shanahan sabotaging his own chances at success? Why spend the money, the picks, the time to bring in someone like Donovan who actually is a pretty classy guy by today's standards, and then treat him like this? This is management? I really don't get it. The Skins front office is STILL the 'team' to worry about

Posted by: BenThere | December 17, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

You know what? Not even worried about McNabb. He'll do well next year for sure when he's out of DC. But you have to ask this question: Why in the heck is Shanahan sabotaging his own chances at success? Why spend the money, the picks, the time to bring in someone like Donovan who actually is a pretty classy guy by today's standards, and then treat him like this? This is management? I really don't get it. The Skins front office is STILL the 'team' to worry about

Posted by: BenThere | December 17, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Wise will post a column any day now about how Shanny opened the deep wound of racism by benching McNabb. I can't wait. These clowns won't stop with the race card until the whole team including the coaching staff and the players are black. Does anyone know a black kicker? Anyone????? LOL

Posted by: Howsthathopeandchangeworkingforyou | December 17, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is making a mockery out of a much beloved and revered institution here in Washington! It must be another power move ala Haynesworth to replace a QB (after one of his better games) with a proven inept one.
"Hail to the Redskins" should be replaced by that Monty Python flying circus theme!
Daniel, Do something!

Posted by: rhowell7 | December 17, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of McNabb's performance, the worst part of this is how the Shanahans are conducting themselves. This team needs new players and new blood, but who would want to work for a coaching staff that treats people they way they do?

Posted by: Redskinrex | December 17, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Shanahans need to be replaced. Everyone blaming the players,but if you can't coach a group of established players in the NFL,what does that say about you?

Posted by: ftw1 | December 17, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Shanahans need to be replaced. Everyone blaming the players,but if you can't coach a group of established players in the NFL,what does that say about you?

Posted by: ftw1 | December 17, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Disrespectful? Perhaps ... had McNabb delivered something other than a fistful of losses and mediocre, at best, QB play. But, the record and his production speak for themselves.

Posted by: VirginiaLonghorn | December 17, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

McNabb's agent is a noble fool.

If I'm McNabb, I'm happy to get this ish over with and prepare to go to the Cardinals or Vikings.

What this really shows me is that the tentacles of Dan Snyder are long-HE made the trade for McNabb happen moreso than Mike Shanahan, otherwise Shanahan wouldn't do this to his "handpicked" QB.

Or Shanahan actually made the trade, it was disastrous and he has now proven that player-personnel decisions should be taken out of his hands.

I think the former-Snyder as he's prone to do went and procured a player he THOUGHT a coach would like (ie.,Patrick Ramsey being hoisted upon Steve Spurrier to Spurrier's chagrin, Jason Campbell & Haynesworth being forced upon Jim Zorn) and used the force of his personality to accomplish his usual sabotage of a new Redskins coach.

The agent should shut his mouth and be happy, for a 34year old vet QB like McNabb playing for a franchise as irrelevant & schizophrenic as the Washington Redskins after playing for the Eagles has to be an exquisite punishment.

Some of you are furious with Shanahan-I think you need to train your fustration on this with Snyder, after all we just blew two more draft picks, needlessly for this nonsense, helping to ensure the rebuilding is going to take just that much longer.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 17, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

These clowns won't stop with the race card until the whole team including the coaching staff and the players are black. Does anyone know a black kicker? Anyone????? LOL
by Howsthathopeandchangeworkingforyou
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Amazing how white posters are. The only person playing the race card is you-YOU brought up race on this post, no one else.

Sorry, bro' you can't lauch a PRE-EMPTIVE strike against the race card by....playing the race card-unles you are some sort of PRE-BIGOT...are you?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 17, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Shut up and sit down, Fletcher. Your client hasn't done a whole lot to distinguish himself this year.
Looks like the Eagles, as usual, knew what they were doing when they sent him to a division rival. Shanahan is right to do this. The season is over. All that is left is a learning experience. Grossman won't do any better than McNabb, in all likelihood, but then McNabb will be vindicated, so what's the problem? At least they can start looking at other causes for the lack of production, like no running game, no receivers other than Moss, weak offensive line. Have I left anything out?
McNabb is not and never has been the long term answer. We need a hot young QB in next year's draft to understudy with the great veteran and then take over.

Posted by: piovino1 | December 17, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Whine,whine,whine, agents like to whine. They think it softens up Personel Management to negiotiate that BIG contract. Class does not equal performance. McNabb's agent is an idiot if he thinks he will use this BS to get the big contract for an old, poor-performing QB. Not to say if he might do better with a better fitting and stronger OL'd team. I think McNabb will shop his skills elsewhere else for big money, but his past three Years, including his poor performance here dooms any big money opportunity.
Hope you all didn't spend much on all those #5 Jerseys...lol!

Posted by: TKing1 | December 17, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

lol, with this many posts, I wonder if it's even possible to post here and have someone read it.

For those of you saying that he should be benched because of poor play, I'd agree if he was holding the team back with his play and if we expected more from his backup. As it stands, Jason Campbell wasn't much better, and with the protection the way it is, there's no reason to believe that Grossman would be better either.

For those of you wondering why the move is disrespectful, consider that McNabb is a multi-year Pro Bowler with consistent success, and he was given assurances by the team that the organization stands behind him. The least that the team could afford to do was to be straight with him about the circumstances under which he could be benched, and tell him in advance if there was a danger. Remember, he could probably have been a star on other teams right now.

Posted by: Kboainim | December 17, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

the coach should be worried about the O line because no matter who you get if they are not protecting the quaterback you will be revisting this issue again. its ez to blame the quaterback but it goes a lot deeper. One thing at least McNabb was told in person and not like Jason was by a reporter. I know the cowboys have stopped practice and are just waiting to kick the skins butts this sunday. This is a joke of an organization and McNabb would do will to take his cash and run.

Posted by: browneyes1 | December 17, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

McNabb's benching is another example of the Shanahan/Snyder culture change. High salaried players will not be around Redskin Park next year. Snyder is looking for a way to cut expenses because a good percentage of the fan base has gotten wiser and decided to stop patronizing the owner and coming to FedEx.

Posted by: omegamgt | December 17, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

McNabb has had his worst season in his pro-career. Why is everyone so surprised??

I was suprised when he didnt bench him after the 4th game.
It is the same crowd that was upset when they got rid of J. Campbell. It isnt about the QB, it is about the team. Why cant you people get that through your head?? This is not the country club for particular QB's, then other QB's you dont want to even give a chance.

I remember the pre-season games, Grossman outplayed McNabb.

Posted by: carl6405 | December 17, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

McNabb has had his worst season in his pro-career. Why is everyone so surprised??

I was suprised when he didnt bench him after the 4th game.
It is the same crowd that was upset when they got rid of J. Campbell. It isnt about the QB, it is about the team. Why cant you people get that through your head?? This is not the country club for particular QB's, then other QB's you dont want to even give a chance.

I remember the pre-season games, Grossman outplayed McNabb.

Posted by: carl6405 | December 17, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Week after week Mcnab has competed well and given this team the chance to win. He doesn't kick the field goals and extra points, he doesn't catch the balls, he doesn't block the blitz, he doesn't miss tackles. Last week he drove the field to score the td, and also to get the field goal at the end. Come on folks - the talent around him is old and shaky at best. If he goes to a team that just needs a qb to get over, he'll succeed big time.

Posted by: DontGetIt | December 17, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Memo to mike shanahan;

Sir, you showed a definite character flaw when you tried to blame your quarterback for your bad call. You should have simply said I blew it and moved on. now you tell the quarterback that YOU traded for that he is benched and may not have a future here.When you came to washington I wasn't terribly thrilled, you may have won a Super bowl but....big butt. my advice to Dan snyder,or if i were Mr. snyder, would be simply Coach Shanahan...you are fired. Time to move on without you. You lack the class, character and coaching credentials of Joe Gibbs

Posted by: Skipnet50 | December 17, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

I for one think McNabb has been the disrespectful one. He has shown no urgency, no commitment to team, to the players and the organization. Any QB who is known as the leader can sit on the sidelines clapping and smiling after an opponent scores 21 points on you (that team being his former team) Is a worthless person and obviously has no commitment to his team mates not matter how classy he comes off. Politicians do this every day!

Posted by: Rep281 | December 18, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

REP281

I totally agree! Shanahan has been saying since he got here, that he is going to have the best players at that position. You know, I would rather see them change the QB's up every quarter. That would be interesting and create great competition between players.

Didnt you people watch the games?? Didnt you see all those balls that were thrown at the receivers feet or way over their heads. INCONSISTANCY!!
If you cant get over the "ME" (particular player) concept, go and root for another team! If a player is stinking it up in their position, they should take themselves out of the game. Sellers is going to be the next to go, you watch. He has had a hard time catching the ball this year.

Posted by: carl6405 | December 18, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

carl6405, now you're just trolling.

McNabb wasn't being selfish, since after hearing about being benched, one of his concerns was that Grossman hadn't had a fair chance to prepare for the game (see Wilbon's TV segment about the benching). On the other hand, if you totally throw out the "me", there's no way to be a good player.

Posted by: Kboainim | December 18, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Let's put talent aside for the moment and talk about the base intelligence of this move. You are taking a future hall of fame all pro African American QB and replacing him with a controversial Caucasian QB in a town that is known to have probably the largest and most involved African American fan base in the entire NFL. This is being done by a Caucasian Coach, Offensive Coordinator, GM and owner - no matter if you believe this was racially motivated or not, the PERCEPTION of this move suggests a racial component - and that should have been considered before this was done. The Redskins are notorious for lack of foresight and planning and seem to only think of this very moment of time - I'm not an African American but I know how I would consider this move if I were - this was incredibly stupid, insensitive, and counter-productive - this will cost the Redskins a great deal more than money. How can these people ever expect to be sucessful if they demonstrate this degree of insensitive stupidity

Posted by: whelms1 | December 18, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Football is about fielding the best team. The Redskins should field the best team possible for the 3 remaining games. Fielding a losing team means that you are not committed to winning. We now know what coach Shanahan is about. Losing his way!!!!!!!!!! The Redskins will lose their final 3 games

Posted by: jjack1 | December 18, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't care how good (great) a QB is, without protection you are not going to succeed in the NFL. Blaming McNabb for this teams failures is nuts. We did nothing to improve the O line the past off season, and the amount of sacks and hits on the QB just prove my point. Everything bad going on in DC is the responsibility of the head coach who should just man up and take the blame. But from the idiotic way he has run this team--this sub-par team--has shown us nothing to even be hopeful about in the future. Finishing below .500 again..and after we lose to dallas and the g-men (again) we will OWN last place in this division once again. Hey Snyder...which head coach is gonna bring us down again next year? Shanahan? he's definitely a good candidate. From the way he mishandled the Haynesworth affair to this new nonsense with McNabb...well he's just a bundle of great ideas and hope for the future....NOT! Dallas-Washington used to mean GREAT football and a great rivalry. Not this year! Now it's only going to show how pathetic we are when we lose to these girls. George Allen hang your head for what we've become..a laughing stock of the NFL! Soon they'll be equating us to the losing ranks of the Lions, Rams and...uh wait they beat us didn't they? Like i said...PATHETIC!

Posted by: alvindog | December 18, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Don't you all understanding. We are out of the playoffs. It's all about next year. The coaches are now treating the next games as if they were pre-season.

McNabb is an extremely classy guy, but his performance has been erratic and sub-par. Now is the time to evaluate the other quarterbacks on the roster and determine whether any of them have a future with the Redskins. McNabb's evaluation is over. We all know what he can and cannot do. IMHO, the Shanahan made a terrible blunder in trading for him; but we cannot undo that blunder. It's time to admit the mistake and move on.

Posted by: tigana99 | December 18, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Don't you all understand?. We are out of the playoffs. It's all about next year. The coaches are now treating the remaining games as if they were pre-season.

McNabb is an extremely classy guy, but his performance has been erratic and sub-par. Now is the time to evaluate the other quarterbacks on the roster and determine whether any of them have a future with the Redskins. McNabb's evaluation is over. We all know what he can and cannot do. IMHO, the Shanahan made a terrible blunder in trading for him; but we cannot undo that blunder. It's time to admit the mistake and move on.

Posted by: tigana99 | December 18, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Getting ready for next year, sure, but not by dumping on the team. Some of the players probably still think that this is the regular season. The thing that made Gibbs a good coach was that he knew how not to chase off people who knew what they're doing.

And this is all before the Dallas game. You probably won't have trouble finding people who see this as benching the star QB right before the most important game of the season.

Posted by: Kboainim | December 18, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

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