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Posted at 1:40 PM ET, 01/ 7/2011

Mike Shanahan, Donovan McNabb's agent hope to meet soon

By Jason Reid

Agent Fletcher N. Smith III and Coach Mike Shanahan hope to meet soon to discuss the future of quarterback Donovan McNabb, a person familiar with the situation said Friday.

Smith has been dealing with many other issues since recently returning to the country, and Shanahan is focused on completing his evaluation of the 2010 season in the next few weeks. To be sure, though, Smith and Shanahan would prefer to move forward as soon as possible.

In his statement blasting Shanahan and his son, Kyle, Washington's offensive coordinator, Smith essentially wrote that he and McNabb no longer trust the Shanahans and that McNabb would not want to remain in Washington under the current circumstances. In benching McNabb for the final three games, the Shanahans made it clear they erred in trading two high draft picks (a second and a fourth) for the six-time Pro Bowler and need to go in another direction.

But where do McNabb and Smith and the Shanahans go from here?


For weeks, it has been clear McNabb would prefer to be released quickly to be free to chose his next team. People within the organization have anonymously ripped McNabb for being lazy and struggling to read defenses, among other things, but there's a dearth of talent at the quarterback position in the NFL. If McNabb becomes a free agent, he would be the most accomplished -- by far -- signal-caller on the market.

McNabb signed a multiyear extension Nov. 15 and the Redskins have until the first game of the regular season to release him and owe him nothing. If things have become personal for Shanahan (Smith basically accused his son of being a liar), he could take punitive action against McNabb and keep him on the roster until just before the first game, denying McNabb a chance to find another home in the offseason.

This situation has provided another black eye for the organization, and it's doubtful Shanahan would want the "soap opera," as he recently described the McNabb situation, to continue.

McNabb wants to join another team of his preference and Shanahan wants compensation in return. It would appear there is a compromise solution: grant Smith permission to seek a trade.

That's what Shanahan did for Jason Campbell, who moved on to the Oakland Raiders and had a pretty good season.

It's highly doubtful any team would give the Redskins much for McNabb. The rest of the league knows Washington does not want to pay McNabb almost $16.25 million guaranteed next season, which he would receive if he's on the roster for the first game, so the Redskins probably would release McNabb before that point. McNabb, 34, may have to be willing to renegotiate his contract to help facilitate a trade.

Shanahan respects McNabb, people in the organization say, and the situation has been a drain on everyone involved. There's definitely an out here, as long as both sides would prefer to have a graceful ending to this mess.

By Jason Reid  | January 7, 2011; 1:40 PM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb  
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Comments

Is this their FIRST meeting since McNabb was benched?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

What's this DORK need to leave the country for?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

craptastic.....we're gonna be lucky to get a 4th rounder for #5....oh well I suppose...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 7, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Is this their FIRST meeting since McNabb was benched?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 1:48 PM

If I had said FIRST...would it have been a tie for FIRST...or would I have been the second FIRST...and left rather embarrassed?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

As much as I'd like the trade and get something in return, from McNabb's point of view, how is that better than being released?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like we should focus on Ngata in the first seconds of FA, and hit him with a Fat Albert type contract offer. Then we can focus on the 3-4 End/OLB with the first couple picks in the draft.

Posted by: PDXskin | January 7, 2011 1:56 PM

How do we do this -- make the big splash with a guy who lives 35 miles away? Do we have the plane meet him at BWI and then fly him to Dulles? Not really enough time for Haslett to chat him up, is it?

Screw Ngota. I'm so tired of going after the biggest name in free agency and tying up our entire payroll in one huge signing. What's wrong with passing on Ngota and trying to balance our money over the team's many needs?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Ochocinco would be El-Crappo if he came here, good decision by the Bungals to decline that trade, at least from our end!

SAVE THE MUSKRATS!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 7, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

As much as I'd like the trade and get something in return, from McNabb's point of view, how is that better than being released?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 1:58 PM

It's not...but he signed that stupid contract for a few more measily bucks...make his agent do the dirty work and find a trade partner...he's a salesman after all.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

As much as I'd like the trade and get something in return, from McNabb's point of view, how is that better than being released?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 1:58 PM

The leverage that the 'Skins have is that they can release him at the end of training camp when it's too late for him to catch on as starter with another team. He gave them a lot of control over his fate.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with passing on Ngota and trying to balance our money over the team's many needs?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:05 PM

That's crazy talk beep.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

By Jason Reid
Agent Fletcher N. Smith III and Coach Mike Shanahan hope to meet soon to discuss the future of quarterback Donovan McNabb, a person familiar with the situation said Friday.


Wow, that sounds like the shortest meeting ever!

SAVE THE ALBINO DEER!

Posted by: monk811 | January 7, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

So our greatest accomplishment this year was ruining our top ranked Defense so that Landry and Orakpo can play a little better. I feel bad for Andre Carter, he'll be missed. Also Rocky, Carlos, and anyone else being forced out by this flawed 3-4 scheme (aside from Fatfart Shamesgirth. I have no faith in Haslett at all. 3-4 maybe, but not the version Haslett is trying.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | January 7, 2011 1:54 PM |

When my team goes 4-12 and then 6-10, I couldn't give a crap about the majority of the players.

The Redskins were crackheads for years.

This year and likely next will be the withdrawls.

So grab your blanket and keep a trash can close by and settle in for the next year or two.

It's not going to be pretty.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 7, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

make his agent do the dirty work and find a trade partner...he's a salesman after all.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 2:06 PM |

No. His agent will arrange a trade that's favorable to McNabb -- more money for McNabb, lower draft pick for the Redskins. His agent works for McNabb, not the Redskins.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

It shouldn't take Shanahan long to complete his evaluations- Offense stunk, both coaching and performance. Defense stunk, both performance (worst in the league) and coaching. Special teams- stunk, except for the one bright spot on the team- Banks. Head Coach's talent evaluation-stunk, Draft picks for McNabb, Bringing in Johnson, Galloway etc. Head Coach's formation of staff-Stunk- Son for OC, Haslett for DC. The question should be- Who is evaluating Shanahan?

Posted by: 4merskinsfan | January 7, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Who is evaluating Shanahan?

Posted by: 4merskinsfan | January 7, 2011 2:13 PM

The owner.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

No. His agent will arrange a trade that's favorable to McNabb -- more money for McNabb, lower draft pick for the Redskins. His agent works for McNabb, not the Redskins.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:10 PM

Right...and the skins will tell him what we want...go find it...didn't you just say the redskins had the leverage?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Who is evaluating Shanahan?

Posted by: 4merskinsfan | January 7, 2011 2:13 PM

The owner.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:15 PM |

Actually, isn't that Allen's job?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 7, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

As much as I'd like the trade and get something in return, from McNabb's point of view, how is that better than being released?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse
He could linger on our roster until early September, if he doesn't agree to work on a trade.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 7, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Who is evaluating Shanahan?

Posted by: 4merskinsfan | January 7, 2011 2:13 PM

The owner.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:15 PM |

Actually, isn't that Allen's job?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 7, 2011 2:19 PM

I thought it was shanahan?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4merskinsfan | January 7, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

It took Shanny A quarter of the season to evaluate an 8 year vet to find out that he is mediocre and turnover prone. Who knows how long an entire offensive evaluation could take. Decades, millenniums...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 7, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Who knows how long an entire offensive evaluation could take. Decades, millenniums...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 7, 2011 2:23 PM

Don't know about you guys...but I don't have millenniums.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

No. His agent will arrange a trade that's favorable to McNabb -- more money for McNabb, lower draft pick for the Redskins. His agent works for McNabb, not the Redskins.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:10 PM

Right...and the skins will tell him what we want...go find it...didn't you just say the redskins had the leverage?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 2:18 PM |

The Skins DO have the leverage and Fletcher Smith has won no favors with the Skins FO/Shanny/Allen.

I would ABSOLUTELY have 'Fletch do the legwork because if he doesn't, he's costing his boy a year. If the Skins hang onto McB1tch until just before the season opener, he's not going to go somewhere and start.

The Skins' phone is going to ring. They will make their decision based on what's best for THEM - not Fletch and not McB1tch.

I don't think for a second that moving McB1tch is the highest priority this team has right now.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 7, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

As much as I'd like the trade and get something in return, from McNabb's point of view, how is that better than being released?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 1:58 PM

The leverage that the 'Skins have is that they can release him at the end of training camp when it's too late for him to catch on as starter with another team. He gave them a lot of control over his fate.

Posted by: beep-beep

Classic cut your nose to spite your face. That isn't leverage because you don't screw people over like that unless they deserve it (see: Albert, Fat). It'll be tough enough to get guys to play here without playing that game.

Realistically, McNabb needs to be gone before the FA starts.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 7, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Good luck signing another FA after that...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 7, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Classic cut your nose to spite your face. That isn't leverage because you don't screw people over like that unless they deserve it (see: Albert, Fat). It'll be tough enough to get guys to play here without playing that game.

Realistically, McNabb needs to be gone before the FA starts.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 2:26 PM |

How is abiding by the terms set forth in a contract and operating within the parameters of said agreement "screwing" anyone?

You're telling me this organization should cater to the needs of Fletcher Smith/McDoosh....just because?

Never happen.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 7, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

So if I'm Shanny...let's see. Nabb's agent absolutely ripped me in the media, called my son a liar, and now he wants to sit down and talk? Nabb can say what he wants, but there's no agent on earth who would have said those things to the media without their player having knowledge of it. We're not going to get anything for Nabb anyway. Everyone in the NFL knows Nabbs limitations now. It's finally common knowledge that he couldn't figure out the offense and his legs are gone. So if I'm Shanny, we'll talk when I want to talk. Which would probably be early Sept...just before the first game.

Posted by: Riggo2 | January 7, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Classic cut your nose to spite your face.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 2:26 PM

No it's giving the guy another chance to be the starter here. If he improves then it's win-win. He gets the big bucks and the 'Skins get the starter they thought they traded for.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

PF is right...wtf were they thinking signing that contract...for a $3 mill kicker? Dumb

Maybe they'll pull a Lavar and say they didn't read that part.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 7, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Good luck signing another FA after that...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 7, 2011 2:33 PM |

Yeah, you're so right. When we offer someone like a Larry Fitzgerald a FA deal keeping him among the top WR's in the game with guaranteed $$ in the 12-15 mil neighborhood (if not more), he may have pause because of the way McB1tch's tenure here went.

You're dreaming. If anything, this organization STILL is seen as the The Villages, meaning it's the top destination for FA's looking to 'retire'.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 7, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

It took Shanny A quarter of the season to evaluate an 8 year vet to find out that he is mediocre and turnover prone...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 7, 2011 2:23 PM

It sounds like Shanny's evaluation may yield quite different results than you're thinking:

After Jacksonville game:
"I thought he played extremely well up until the interception," Coach Mike Shanahan said Monday at Redskins Park. "And then he had the interception,. It looked like he lost a little focus and missed some of the reads that he normally would make.

After the final game, according to John Keim
, Shanahan said it's often hard to quantify a quarterback's turnovers, saying the fault could rest elsewhere.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

They should move McNabb before the draft so we can get a pick for him. Reality is a 4th rounder at best. The trade was as stupid as the Jason Taylor one and hopefully this will be the last of them. That was one of the biggest things I was hoping for out of the new regime.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 7, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Good luck signing another FA after that...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 7, 2011 2:33 PM

I think the one who will have difficulty with signing people is McNabb's agent. He's the one who negotiated the contract that allowed the 'Skins to cut McNabb up to the day that the roster is set without any penalty.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Good luck signing another FA after that...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 7, 2011 2:33 PM

I think the one who will have difficulty with signing people is McNabb's agent. He's the one who negotiated the contract that allowed the 'Skins to cut McNabb up to the day that the roster is set without any penalty.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:41 PM |


Aaaaannnd boom goes the dynamite.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 7, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

yeah another season or two and we should know exactly where Rex stands as a qb...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 7, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I think it would be as easy as picking up the phone and telling the agent, "Go find your client a new home. I want a fifth round pick this year and next year. Oh yeah, and a bottle of Courvoisier on my desk before the draft."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

No it's giving the guy another chance to be the starter here. If he improves then it's win-win. He gets the big bucks and the 'Skins get the starter they thought they traded for.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:35 PM

If you read the clippings, Shanahan was deeply impressed with McNabb in training camp.

Let's say that happens again, and McNabb actually wins the job again entering next season.

The Shanahans have basically expressed no confidence in him, and said they don't need to see anything further from him this year--he can't show them anything new to change their opinion.

So he enters the season on a short leash, primed to be benched early and often.

Sounds to me like a setup for failure and drama if they keep him around next year.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

In benching McNabb for the final three games, the Shanahans made it clear they erred in trading two high draft picks (a second and a fourth) for the six-time Pro Bowler and need to go in another direction.

For weeks, it has been clear McNabb would prefer to be released quickly to be free to chose his next team. People within the organization have anonymously ripped McNabb for being lazy and struggling to read defenses, among other things, but there's a dearth of talent at the quarterback position in the NFL.
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Jason Reid is without a doubt the Rev Al Sharpton of sports reporters.

Probably the thing that bothers me the most is that about 10 seconds of solid observation renders most of his conclusions completely baseless.

For example, benching McNabb may have lowered the trade terms to the Eagles. With the playoffs out of the picture, a line getting my QB killed all season, and a division rival eying our 3rd rounder, why wouldn't a smart coach bench his starter?

And McNabb will not get a contract comparable to the 'Skins offer anywhere else (basically top 25% QB money) if he is released, because last I checked, two future HOF coaches dumping you in back-to-back seasons is not exactly a resume builder. Perhaps that explains why the agent hasn't been so swift in making it to Shanahan's office to chew him out in person...

And then, of course, comes the unsubstantiated drivel from conveniently anonymous sources which have become the hallmark of Reids reporting, and unfortunately it has rubbed off on some of the other reporters.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 7, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Who is evaluating Shanahan?

Posted by: 4merskinsfan | January 7, 2011 2:13 PM

The owner.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:15 PM |

Actually, isn't that Allen's job?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 7, 2011 2:19 PM

I thought it was shanahan?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 2:22 PM |


You're all right! : )

The owner is evaluating everybody... We know how good he is at that.

VP Mike Shanahan hired GM Allen to watch over personnel decisions and coaching performance.

If Allen decides he doesn't like the way Coach Mike Shanahan is coaching, well, he can let the coach know it's time to hang it up.

But, then, Shanahan the VP could also tell GM Allen to take a hike.

So, it's complicated. It's about like having a bingo caller call the pass plays while the other Sherman calls the run plays, who then relay it down to Zorn, who tells Campbell what to tell the team in the huddle.

In other words, typical Redskin Fuster Cluck.

PS - Shanahan can't lose.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 7, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"To be sure, though, Fletcher and Shanahan would prefer to move forward as soon as possible."


Fletcher and Shanahan? Is the familiarity Reid's subtle attempt at indicating who he sides with...or further proof he doesn't proofread his work?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 7, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with passing on Ngota and trying to balance our money over the team's many needs?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:05 PM

That's crazy talk beep.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I'm fairly confident that this FO/mgmt team will do that. At least I would like to think that.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 7, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

i just farted.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 7, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

So he enters the season on a short leash, primed to be benched early and often.

Sounds to me like a setup for failure and drama if they keep him around next year.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 2:49 PM |

"Short leash"? You really hate him, don't you? You don't even consider the possibility that with better personnel around him next year he would have a better year as a Redskin. They're not going to keep him at the salary in his contract unless they're convinced that he'd be improved next year.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I think the one who will have difficulty with signing people is McNabb's agent. He's the one who negotiated the contract that allowed the 'Skins to cut McNabb up to the day that the roster is set without any penalty.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse
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But it'd cost us a hefty roster bonus (~$10 mil, I believe) to do so. This is why I don't get the 'McNabb wants to be released' camp.

Really?

So the Eagles go 11-5, playoffs, one & done, drop him, go 10-6 and win the division - in other words, they don't miss him.

The Redskins go 4-12, last place, pick him up, go 6-10, again last place, and now he wants to test the open market for $13 mil next season?

HA!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 7, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Shanahan say it takes two years to learn the system? If so, why be upset that McNabb didn't know it during the first year?

I think Shanny had a case of buyers remorse, was really expecting the team to do better because of his great coaching and system and had to look for blame.

Posted by: Pensfans | January 7, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

PS - Shanahan can't lose.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 7, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

And he is a QB guru second to none in evaluation skill and implementation.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 7, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

For example, benching McNabb may have lowered the trade terms to the Eagles. With the playoffs out of the picture, a line getting my QB killed all season, and a division rival eying our 3rd rounder, why wouldn't a smart coach bench his starter?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 7, 2011 2:50 PM


This should be clear... benching McNabb had NO IMPACT on draft position for the Eagles. In order to get the Skins 3rd rounder, any ONE of the following would have had to happen:

1. McNabb makes Pro Bowl
2. Skins win 9 games
3. Skins make playoffs

None of these could have possibly happened by the time McNabb was benched for good. There was also a caveat about McNabb taking at least 70% of the team’s offensive snaps, and I'm pretty sure he hit that target before the last 3 games.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins go 4-12, last place, pick him up, go 6-10, again last place, and now he wants to test the open market for $13 mil next season?

HA!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 7, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't know. I think a Minnesota or Miami team that thinks they're 1 player away might just go for it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 7, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

No it's giving the guy another chance to be the starter here. If he improves then it's win-win. He gets the big bucks and the 'Skins get the starter they thought they traded for.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:35 PM

If you read the clippings, Shanahan was deeply impressed with McNabb in training camp.

Let's say that happens again, and McNabb actually wins the job again entering next season.

The Shanahans have basically expressed no confidence in him, and said they don't need to see anything further from him this year--he can't show them anything new to change their opinion.

So he enters the season on a short leash, primed to be benched early and often.

Sounds to me like a setup for failure and drama if they keep him around next year.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 2:49 PM |

It's clear that a lot if not most people here factor in the feelings of a player or the perception of how they were 'treated' when attempting to predict their status or performance for the following year.

Dude, is this where we are now?

These are men making boatloads of money in most cases. They have signed the contracts that they are operating under and I, for the life of me, cannot possibly care less about feelings or a players' perceived "treatment".

If we aim to be an organization like Pittsburgh or New England, that cannot, I repeat, CANNOT be a factor involved in dealing with players - especially on a 6-10 team.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 7, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

It's clear that a lot if not most people here factor in the feelings of a player or the perception of how they were 'treated' when attempting to predict their status or performance for the following year.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 7, 2011 3:03 PM

Haynesworth says, "Hi!"

Do you think Haynesworth and McNabb have a realistic chance to play at their former Pro Bowl levels here next year?

I'm just saying those distractions appear to hurt the team.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Even if it does take two years to learn the system, McMiss sealed his own fate with all those off the mark passes. I'm thinking somewhere around the 10th time Nabb bounced one on 3 hops to Moss, Shanny had enough. That's probably when Kyle mouthed " what the f... was that???" on the sideline!!!
See ya, Nabber....

Posted by: Riggo2 | January 7, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't know. I think a Minnesota or Miami team that thinks they're 1 player away might just go for it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 7, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse
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If Minny went for it, then Ziggy Wilf must have a poster of Daniel Snyder in his office, and someone please remove all sharp objects from Vikings fans for at least the next decade.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 7, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

None of these could have possibly happened by the time McNabb was benched for good.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse
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Thanks for the info. The other two points are still valid.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 7, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

craptastic.....we're gonna be lucky to get a 4th rounder for #5....oh well I suppose...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


When did you become such a Mary Sunshine optimist? What about Haynesworth, a #2 for a guy who's been #2 in Washington?

If Bruce Allen can get a 3 and a 4 for these two raging disappointmnents, I'd vote him exec of the year.

Posted by: TheCork | January 7, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

It's clear that a lot if not most people here factor in the feelings of a player or the perception of how they were 'treated' when attempting to predict their status or performance for the following year.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 7, 2011 3:03 PM

Haynesworth says, "Hi!"

Do you think Haynesworth and McNabb have a realistic chance to play at their former Pro Bowl levels here next year?

I'm just saying those distractions appear to hurt the team.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 3:10 PM |

Dude, you sound like the guy laying on the shrink's sofa crying about the color yellow in that insurance spot. You're applying way too many abstract suppositions to a team of grown men getting paid a lot of money who have families, businesses, business interests and their own team responsibilities.

I'm sure every player on the roster has a list of concerns.

I'm also sure every one of those player's lists don't mention AH or McB1tch as any of them.

Want a tissue?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 7, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"Short leash"? You really hate him, don't you? You don't even consider the possibility that with better personnel around him next year he would have a better year as a Redskin. They're not going to keep him at the salary in his contract unless they're convinced that he'd be improved next year.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:57 PM

He was on a pretty short leash this year. That's just an observation.

I think McNabb could have a better year next year... just like Sexy Rexy could have a better year next year.

To quote Shanahan on the matter, "Nothing is out of the realm of possibility right now."

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

craptastic.....we're gonna be lucky to get a 4th rounder for #5....oh well I suppose...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

When did you become such a Mary Sunshine optimist? What about Haynesworth, a #2 for a guy who's been #2 in Washington?

If Bruce Allen can get a 3 and a 4 for these two raging disappointmnents, I'd vote him exec of the year.

Posted by: TheCork | January 7, 2011 3:16 PM
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Shoot, if someone offered two picks at any level I'd jump on it. These guys are gone so might as well get something for them. Personally, I like a fifth this year and fifth next year for McNabb and I'd do a 3rd and a fifth for Haynesworth.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

He was on a pretty short leash this year. That's just an observation.


Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 3:20 PM

It's an opinion, not an observation. He started 13 games, and they only benched him after they were out of the hunt for the playoffs. That's not a "short leash."

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with passing on Ngota and trying to balance our money over the team's many needs?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:05 PM

That's crazy talk beep.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse
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Next he'll be talking about reducing the federal deficit and balancing the budget.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Personal_Fowl,

Dude, you're completely missing the point. You seem to want to focus on feelings for some reason, and that's your right.

But I'm focused on performance.

Do you want your 2 highest paid players warming the bench like they did at the end of this year? If they're not going to provide value on the field, give their roster spots and cap space to players who fill other needs.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Does the term hurry up offense ring a bell...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 7, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"... Jason Campbell, who moved on to the Oakland Raiders and had a pretty good season."

Funniest line of the new year so far!
You're not serious, are you? Or are you just trying to find unique, if untrue, ways to kick Redskins fans when they're down?

Campbell was HORRIBLE for the Raiders.
HORRIBLE!

And don't give me some B.S. passer rating number and tell me he was above average when his only TD passes were screens to a RB who ran 75 yards into the end zone.

Campbell got benched for Bruce Gradkowski, MULTIPLE TIMES this season. Campbell lost to the 49ers who were winless at the time, and was shut down and shut out against real teams like the Steelers and Ravens.

If Gradkowski didn't get hurt for the 100th time, Campbell would have never seen the playing field after week 3.

Like most of us on this blog, I think Campbell is a wonderful person and I hope he is happy. But let's not try to pretend that he is an NFL starting QB, because he has proven that he is NOT.

While we are finally moving in the right direction, there's still plenty to criticize the Redskins about. Implying that we should not have let Campbell go is NOT one of those criticisms!

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 7, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Next he'll be talking about reducing the federal deficit and balancing the budget.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2011 3:25 PM

That's the other Ramblin Reck for Georgia Tech, scottcampbell. I avoid that political stuff. I'm only here to make friends, except with a few people who I don't like very much.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

It's an opinion, not an observation. He started 13 games, and they only benched him after they were out of the hunt for the playoffs. That's not a "short leash."

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 3:24 PM

Fair enough, the "short leash" is my opinion. But he was also benched in week 8 while they still had a shot at the playoffs. That's a fact.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Shanny will tell McNabb's agent we want a 4th round pick and we'll trade em' today...if Shanny wants to be nice, otherwise it's a 2nd or 3rd. Good luck there big mouth!! Should have kept your big trap shut during the season...you peed on the wrong leg dummy. Hail!!

Posted by: Smiley2 | January 7, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

But he was also benched in week 8 while they still had a shot at the playoffs. That's a fact.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 3:31 PM

And his contract was renewed for big bucks before week nine and that's a fact.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

more of a realist than anything cork, we're short selling on these assets, and given the lack of Vinny Cerrato being employed by another NFL team, I'm just not seeing it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 7, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one that doesn't bother to read past the headlines anymore?

Am I the only one that thinks Barno is a self righteous d0uchebag?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Robert Sands declared. He is a freakish 6'5 FS, he is projected to be the 2nd or 3rd saftey taken.

They call him the predator, check out some highlights. Ball hog and a huge hitter...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 7, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

That's the other Ramblin Reck for Georgia Tech, scottcampbell. I avoid that political stuff. I'm only here to make friends, except with a few people who I don't like very much.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 3:30 PM |

I try to stay away from that stuff nowadays (mostly.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

That's the other Ramblin Reck for Georgia Tech, scottcampbell. I avoid that political stuff. I'm only here to make friends, except with a few people who I don't like very much.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 3:30 PM |

I try to stay away from that stuff nowadays (mostly.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

How do we do this -- make the big splash with a guy who lives 35 miles away? Do we have the plane meet him at BWI and then fly him to Dulles? Not really enough time for Haslett to chat him up, is it?

Screw Ngota. I'm so tired of going after the biggest name in free agency and tying up our entire payroll in one huge signing. What's wrong with passing on Ngota and trying to balance our money over the team's many needs?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey Beep, to clarify, we should have plenty of open cap space now, after the house-cleaning Shanny did in the uncapped year, plus the expiring contracts and cuts that are coming up in March. Certainly not saying we would put it all in one pot, but we've got some room to work with.

I was slightly exaggerating with the "Fat Albert" type-offer suggestion, but if the NT is the cornerstone of a succesful 3-4, why not try to get the best in the business to build it around, especially if he's right down the road? Unlike Hanny, Ngata is widely regarded as a quality human being and a good team mate, so the investment would be much less likely to go south on us.

Of course, it might all be moot if he wants to re-sign with Baltimore and never even makes it to free agency...and if he did get there, we wouldn't have much to offer other than being relatively local ("hey, you won't even have to sell your house!"), so we'd have to put a pretty irresistable offer on the table. Just saying...

Posted by: PDXskin | January 7, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one that thinks Barno is a self righteous d0uchebag?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2011 3:36 PM

I think you're giving him more credit than he deserves. I think he's a screw-loose whack job.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one that doesn't bother to read past the headlines anymore?

Am I the only one that thinks Barno is a self righteous d0uchebag?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2011 3:36 PM

I don't watch the videos.

Is Barno the guy that had his dog run over?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if in the Redskins other dimension like in the Fringe they're perennial winners and their bloggers spend time raving about victories and not hypothetical draft scenarios?

Yep, I'd like to live there.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 7, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Robert Sands declared. He is a freakish 6'5 FS, he is projected to be the 2nd or 3rd saftey taken.

They call him the predator, check out some highlights. Ball hog and a huge hitter...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 7, 2011 3:37 PM

Both of his initials are one before ST...kinda eerie huh?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Anybody see this?

Chris Cooley told reporters after the Redskins' final game that he was going to have offseason arthroscopic surgery on his knee. He didn't tell them it was because he got kicked by Todd Yoder's wife during the offseason.....

......"I didn't want anyone to know I had a knee issue," Cooley said. "I had two meniscus tears in my knee. One was from 2005 when we played the Giants, and another one was from Todd Yoder's wife in a limousine. She's ruthless. She kicked me. I was falling asleep on the way home. She didn't want me to fall asleep."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PDXskin | January 7, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I think I would hesitate to sign ngata. There's a reason Baltimore drafted Terrence Cody and if they let Ngata go then that would indicate to me that they know something I don't.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 7, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Half of me wants the Skins to get rid of McNabb asap. The longer he is here the longer we are reminded what a bad decision getting him was. The other half wants us to get at least get back that 4th round draft pick we gave to Philly this year for him. Maybe a team like the Vikings will jump in.. Frazier and McNabb do have a history together in Philly. As far as all the fans who were dumb enough of buy McNabb #5 jerseys.. well you are on your own...

Posted by: sovine08 | January 7, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Is Barno the guy that had his dog run over?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 3:40 PM

That's only part of his story. He was a regular when you and Tweedledum were still in primary school, about four years ago.

He got into a major fight with Jason LaCanfora. Jason had some contest which Barno won and the prize was supposed to be a copy of some CD "Heavy Metal Parking Lot" autographed by Chris Cooley. For whatever reason Jason couldn't get it signed and delivered.

He was very apologetic but Barno went ballistic. You would have though Barno had won PowerBall and Jason was keeping the money for himself. Barno kept every post Jason ever made and would paste copies of "contradictions" up from time to time to attack the incompetence of "the beat reporter." He attacked him on personal bases when Jason would discuss taking his kids to the Doddlebops. It got to be as annoying as the Boycott $nyder campaign or the Haynesworth Training Camp Diary, but Barno wouldn't let it drop.

Everyone hated Barno and he finally gave up, posting only occasionally like the post today.

I think there's a moral here, but I don't know what it is. "Don't post under the name Barno," maybe.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

My version of the rumor mill:

Junkies said today that moving trucks were seen at @mr_carter99 house. No surprises. Thx for the 5 years of hard work Dre.
http://twitter.com/#!/HogsHaven/stat...82328285859840

Based on H.B. Blades Facebook status last week, he doesnt sound confident he'll be back either. http://is.gd/kiwIc #Redskins
http://twitter.com/#!/HogsHaven/stat...82966264664064

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I think I would hesitate to sign ngata. There's a reason Baltimore drafted Terrence Cody and if they let Ngata go then that would indicate to me that they know something I don't.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 7, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Probably means they know the value of NT in a 3-4. I doubt that they let Ngata go, but if his price gets too high, they might. That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with Ngata. But he will use up a lot of cap room(assuming cap).

Posted by: frediefritz | January 7, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Harbaugh and the 49ers agree to a 5 YR deal according to Shefter.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Barno kept every post Jason ever made and would paste copies of "contradictions" up from time to time to attack the incompetence of "the beat reporter."

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 3:53 PM

LOL, I almost forgot about all those posts, and the whole "beat reporter" thing.

Man, Barno stalked JLC and bashed him mercilessly. It was quite comical, actually!

He should have had a tag-line at the end of every post:

"This time, it's personal"

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Can't McNabbs contract be renegotiated to be more trade friendly? If that's what's getting in the way of getting a 3rd rounder, than maybe it's worth it.

He get's a little something-something for a signing bonus and we get some draft position outta the deal, and we both get to move on and focus on next season.

Posted by: edvar | January 7, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Everyone hated Barno and he finally gave up, posting only occasionally like the post today.

I think there's a moral here, but I don't know what it is. "Don't post under the name Barno," maybe.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 3:53 PM |

...and yet he was up here a thread or 2 ago talking about how the new regs have ruined the blog. What a phukin' idiot. That sh!t with Jason LaCaCa was funny though...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

That's only part of his story. He was a regular when you and Tweedledum were still in primary school, about four years ago.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 3:53 PM

Haha...well thanks for the history lesson beep...only knew about Poopy and the dog...well me and my sock puppets shifts are over...have a nice weekend!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

As much as I'd like the trade and get something in return, from McNabb's point of view, how is that better than being released?
Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 1:58 PM
The leverage that the 'Skins have is that they can release him at the end of training camp when it's too late for him to catch on as starter with another team. He gave them a lot of control over his fate.
Posted by: beep-beep
Classic cut your nose to spite your face. That isn't leverage because you don't screw people over like that unless they deserve it (see: Albert, Fat). It'll be tough enough to get guys to play here without playing that game.
Realistically, McNabb needs to be gone before the FA starts.
Exactly! We can’t afford to use valuable roster space with someone whom we all know wont be here.

Posted by: mattphillips | January 7, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

as reported on PFT:

Rams fire 44-year veteran equipment manager Todd Hewitt

Should we claim him off of waivers?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 7, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

scamp, thanks for the updates....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 7, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PlayAction | January 7, 2011 2:37 PM

It's only dumb with the 20/20 vision that hindsight brings. As I've said before, when they signed that deal McNabb and Smith looked at the QBs on the roster and didn't think for a second he wouldn't be back next year. In any event, the Skins are not, under any circumstance, going to screw him with a last minute release.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 7, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

The solution to me seems quite clear:

We trade McNabb & Haynesworth to Stanford for Andrew Luck.


Duh.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I thought the Iggles were set at the Skins 4th round pick... but I was surprised to read this remote possibility they could seize the Skins 3rd rounder:

Redskins Bench McNabb, No Effect on Eagles’ Draft Pick From April’s Trade:

"The only (barely) conceivable way the draft pick could be triggered would be if the head coach of the NFC in the Pro Bowl appointed McNabb to the team as a “need player.” The head coaches, who earn the honors by losing in the NFC and AFC championship games, are traditionally given one slot to appoint a player, generally a long snapper."

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Realistically, McNabb needs to be gone before the FA starts.
Exactly! We can’t afford to use valuable roster space with someone whom we all know wont be here.


Posted by: mattphillips | January 7, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is saying it. I think it's true also. Everyone, that is, except MS. What if his evaluation of Sexy was that he had too many turnovers to be QB for 2011. And with Luck staying in college for another season, AND IF MS is not impressed with other QB's in draft, maybe he decides we stick with DMac for another year and then reevaluate.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 7, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Good luck signing another FA after that...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 7, 2011 2:33 PM

You sound naive. Let me explain. This game is a business, players play for money, agents do the negotiations for a percentage of the players money. Players go where their agents find them a job, agents sell them to the higher bidder, teams will pay if they feel this players attract fans (some do by their play, some by their race, some by brilliant BS, etc.), Fans working for minimum wages, or near that wage scale, love these guys and love to b1tch about the organization, reporters love these fans because they are easy to manipulate with overblown issues which in turn sales newspapers or advertisements. Everyone makes money and are happy while the poor fan just b1tches while eating greasy hamburgers, fries and a diet coke so he can save money to waste on over-priced tickets, jerseys, blah, blah, blah…

So, luck has nothing to do with anything, FAs are there like commodities to be used and dealt for profit, they will be available at any time to the higher bidders.

I don’t worry about all that cr@p and I just enjoy watching on the TV the little robots smash each other while being thankful that they are not out on the streets robbing people.

Posted by: hock1 | January 7, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse


I'm only here to make friends, except with a few people who I don't like very much, like he$$one for instance

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 3:30 PM |

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there, that's better

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Anyone making any decisions this year based on a QB that we hope not to be in a position to draft/trade for next year should be fired and then beaten about the head and torso region with a bag of nickles.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 7, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

McNabb isn't reconciling with Shanahan anymore than Tiger is reconciling with Elin.

The only question are about the terms of the divorce -- not whether there will be a divorce.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Here's a scenario: we package Donovan, Butterworth and our 1st for Carolina's 1st. If Carolina still wants to go for Luck, we try Arizona, which loves Donovan because he pays taxes there--our 1st and McNabb for their 1st. That would leave Albert subject to negotiation. Arizona should have to give us a later round pick. Or maybe a case of tortillas and a crate of Dos Equus. I know that's taking advantage of the Cards, but life is inherently unfair.

Posted by: boothintexas | January 7, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: hock1 | January 7, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I sound naive...

Any professional will warn you about burning bridges.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 7, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Barno stalked JLC so mercilessly because almost everyone's favorite Skin CC#47 stiffed Barno on a contest prize (a signed copy of a Heavy Metal Parking Lot DVD) and JLC failed to get it done.

Barno's right about RI though. It's like a nice suburban neighborhood that slowly declined. The original owners moved out and were replaced by speculators who then rented to a bunch of section 8 tenants. Some original owners tried to hang in there but left as they saw the neighborhood decline further. The rest are just stuck and can't move.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 7, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"... Jason Campbell, who moved on to the Oakland Raiders and had a pretty good season."

Funniest line of the new year so far!
You're not serious, are you? Or are you just trying to find unique, if untrue, ways to kick Redskins fans when they're down?

Campbell was HORRIBLE for the Raiders.
HORRIBLE!

And don't give me some B.S. passer rating number and tell me he was above average when his only TD passes were screens to a RB who ran 75 yards into the end zone.

Campbell got benched for Bruce Gradkowski, MULTIPLE TIMES this season. Campbell lost to the 49ers who were winless at the time, and was shut down and shut out against real teams like the Steelers and Ravens.

If Gradkowski didn't get hurt for the 100th time, Campbell would have never seen the playing field after week 3.

Like most of us on this blog, I think Campbell is a wonderful person and I hope he is happy. But let's not try to pretend that he is an NFL starting QB, because he has proven that he is NOT.

While we are finally moving in the right direction, there's still plenty to criticize the Redskins about. Implying that we should not have let Campbell go is NOT one of those criticisms!

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 7, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The raiders were 8-5 with Campbell starting, 0-3 with the other guys. He had a pretty good year. if you don't know what you're talking aout don't just make stuff up.........keep your mouth shut.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 7, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse


barno is a circus clown name I tell ya

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

McNabb isn't reconciling with Shanahan anymore than Tiger is reconciling with Elin.

The only question are about the terms of the divorce -- not whether there will be a divorce.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 4:22 PM

This is probably right, and this is how I would bet. But I can think of about what -- 16.5 million? -- reasons why Donovan might want to be here next year.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Here's a scenario: we package Donovan, Butterworth and our 1st for Carolina's 1st. If Carolina still wants to go for Luck, we try Arizona, which loves Donovan because he pays taxes there--our 1st and McNabb for their 1st. That would leave Albert subject to negotiation. Arizona should have to give us a later round pick. Or maybe a case of tortillas and a crate of Dos Equus. I know that's taking advantage of the Cards, but life is inherently unfair.

Posted by: boothintexas | January 7, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Ah, scratch that bit about Luck, who is returning to Stanford. This is what happens when the first thing you do when you go online is to check out this blog. Not a good example to set for the young and impressionable.

Posted by: boothintexas | January 7, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

This is probably right, and this is how I would bet. But I can think of about what -- 16.5 million? -- reasons why Donovan might want to be here next year.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 4:41 PM |

It's funny how these beat writers keep saying 16.5 next year ther are no less then 20 sites on the interent that will tell them that it is not 16.5 it is 12.5 with incentives it could 14.5.

They also keep saying we have two 6th round picks and one 5th round, again please check the internet huys we have two 5th and we still don't know what we will get for Tryon.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"... Jason Campbell, who moved on to the Oakland Raiders and had a pretty good season."

Funniest line of the new year so far!
You're not serious, are you? Or are you just trying to find unique, if untrue, ways to kick Redskins fans when they're down?

Campbell was HORRIBLE for the Raiders.
HORRIBLE!

And don't give me some B.S. passer rating number and tell me he was above average when his only TD passes were screens to a RB who ran 75 yards into the end zone.

Campbell got benched for Bruce Gradkowski, MULTIPLE TIMES this season. Campbell lost to the 49ers who were winless at the time, and was shut down and shut out against real teams like the Steelers and Ravens.

If Gradkowski didn't get hurt for the 100th time, Campbell would have never seen the playing field after week 3.

Like most of us on this blog, I think Campbell is a wonderful person and I hope he is happy. But let's not try to pretend that he is an NFL starting QB, because he has proven that he is NOT.

While we are finally moving in the right direction, there's still plenty to criticize the Redskins about. Implying that we should not have let Campbell go is NOT one of those criticisms!

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 7, 2011 3:28 PM

Not sure why you jumped off the deep end on this one. Campbell did have a good season. Started off badly and he had 2 clunkers vs Pitt and SF. 3 poor games out of 13, a couple more where he was so-so.

But he also led them to season sweeps over SD and KC, had 5 games with QB ratings over 100 and 7 games over 90. Not bad, especially given his receiver group. Plus he was effective running the ball. And he was durable, not a minor issue given the erratic play of OAK's OL.

Of note, 2 of the games Campbell was benched for early on were against AZ and Houston, two of the worst defenses in the league, so he didn't get to pad his stats in a couple of the easier games. And they didn't play the Ravens. But he did lead them to sweeps over KC and SD, both quality teams with strong defenses.

Of course, OAK hadn't won more than 5 games in about 8 years and they won 8 this season.

Clearly, Campbell didn't have a great season, but I have no problem calling it a 'good' season. Calling it horrible is simply wrong.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

It's funny Barno the king of going off topic to bash JLC, would now say the blog is terrible because people aren't commenting on the blog entry.

Even though the blog entry had been up for two days and had been played out in every way.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Who is evaluating Shanahan?

Posted by: 4merskinsfan | January 7, 2011 2:13 PM

the fans and the owner you dufus. You socialistic types who don't anyone to lead or make decisions. "Coach shouldn't we vote on that..."

Take a hike "former" skin fan

Posted by: rodskin | January 7, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how these beat writers keep saying 16.5 next year ther are no less then 20 sites on the interent that will tell them that it is not 16.5 it is 12.5 with incentives it could 14.5.

They also keep saying we have two 6th round picks and one 5th round, again please check the internet huys we have two 5th and we still don't know what we will get for Tryon.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 4:46 PM


This is what J. Reid wrote:

If McNabb is on the roster next season - which seems highly doubtful at this point - he would earn about $16.25 million.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/looking-at-donovan-mcnabbs-con.html

I don't know whether you're right or he's right. But I feel confident that if McNabb is a free agent he cannot negotiate a salary as large as the one you cite or the one that J. Reid cites.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't know whether you're right or he's right. But I feel confident that if McNabb is a free agent he cannot negotiate a salary as large as the one you cite or the one that J. Reid cites.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 4:52 PM |

Beep,

I agree he isn't going to make any where near that money anywhere else, I just think the insiders should have the proper numbers thats all.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

McNabb isn't reconciling with Shanahan anymore than Tiger is reconciling with Elin.

The only question are about the terms of the divorce -- not whether there will be a divorce.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 4:22 PM

This is probably right, and this is how I would bet. But I can think of about what -- 16.5 million? -- reasons why Donovan might want to be here next year.

Posted by: beep-beep

From a salary perspective, McNabb would love to keep his current contract.

But who is going to pay him that sort of coin? Rex Grossman was just as good as Donovan (makes me want to throw up as I write that) and making 1/20 of that.

Just a gut call on McNabb, but I bet he wants to be appreciated more than he wants to be paid at this point in his career. Keep in mind that Donovan has a nice paycheck outside of football that he needs to keep going as well. His reputation matters.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse


Now if only we could get Steinberg to admit he was wrong about Campbell.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 7, 2011 10:56 AM |

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uh oh, barno is on steinberg's ass now

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

postings are up that Harbaugh signed a deal with SF

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

postings are up that Harbaugh signed a deal with SF

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 5:09 PM |


Our correspondent, Diesel44, popped this story over an hour ago.

Harbaugh and the 49ers agree to a 5 YR deal according to Shefter.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 3:57 PM |

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Why was Shanahan praising McNabb during training camp? What was he supposed to say? McNabb is during horrible? He's inaccurate, can't read defenses, isn't picking up the scheme, and lost his athleticism? No he backed his player hoping he would imporove as he became more comfortable in the system. But come game 13, McNabb didn't show any improvement at all. He was playing as bad as he did at the start of the season. Then you got Grossman who is practicing as well or better than McNabb. Then Grossman came out in 3 games and again his play was on par with McNabb. So your the coach. You have a guy who is gonna make 10+mill/yr playing at the same level as a younger guy who is making chicken scratch. What do yo do?
Don't forget Andy Reid is a pretty good coach, and he thought he had a better chance to win with either Kolb or Vick....and he was right.

Posted by: kerrdawg | January 7, 2011 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Why was Shanahan praising McNabb during training camp? What was he supposed to say?

Posted by: kerrdawg | January 7, 2011 5:12 PM


He didn't have to say anything. McNabb isn't some anonymous QB who needed to be propped up.

Shanahan's mantra was "competition at every position." Maybe he should have just stuck with that.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"As much as I'd like the trade and get something in return, from McNabb's point of view, how is that better than being released?"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 1:58 PM

It is to McNabb's benefit that his new team be identified as soon as possible, so that he can begin learning the offense and working with his new receivers. If he and his agent don't play ball in facilitating a trade, e.g., by agreeing to restructure his contract, the Redskins can delay his release, thereby hurting his chances of starting for his new team.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 7, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Did I miss a Barno sighting?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 7, 2011 5:22 PM | Report abuse


Did I miss a Barno sighting?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 7, 2011 5:22 PM |

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the one and only

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

As much as I'd like the trade and get something in return, from McNabb's point of view, how is that better than being released?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 1:58 PM

Less shame.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

So is this gonna be a PPV event???

Posted by: skins91r | January 7, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

He didn't have to say anything. McNabb isn't some anonymous QB who needed to be propped up.

Shanahan's mantra was "competition at every position." Maybe he should have just stuck with that.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 7, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

So when the media asked him what are his impressions of McNabb in training camp, he should've said "no comment"?

Posted by: kerrdawg | January 7, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

As much as I'd like the trade and get something in return, from McNabb's point of view, how is that better than being released?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 1:58 PM

Less shame.

Posted by: dcsween

That ship sailed the day he got replaced by Rex Grossman.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

That ship sailed....

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 5:38 PM

McNabb's looking for another ship now -- the aircraft carrier of humanitarian aid. He's a disaster victim. Just ask his agent.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Chris Hamburger on Redskin Nation talking about how he got drafted and didn't even know it. He said that he never watched pro football and his coach had to tell him he was drafted and by who.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Lorenzo Alexander said he is going to do MMA training this off-season to get in better shape.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-plummer030207

This is the same situation that Mike Shanahan had to deal with, with Jake Plummer. I think he'll be careful with McNabb because McNabb can retire and get a position job for the Eagles.

Posted by: blkmanwtan | January 7, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-plummer030207

This is the same situation that Mike Shanahan had to deal with, with Jake Plummer. I think he'll be careful with McNabb because McNabb can retire and get a position job for the Eagles. Remember how the Eagles dropped 59 points on the Skins? I wonder why?

Posted by: blkmanwtan | January 7, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-plummer030207

This is the same situation that Mike Shanahan had to deal with, with Jake Plummer. I think he'll be careful with McNabb because McNabb can retire and get a position job for the Eagles. Remember how the Eagles dropped 59 points on the Skins? I wonder why?

Posted by: blkmanwtan | January 7, 2011 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Screw Ngota. I'm so tired of going after the biggest name in free agency and tying up our entire payroll in one huge signing. What's wrong with passing on Ngota and trying to balance our money over the team's many needs?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:05 PM

Ngata. As is what your continuing defense of Vinny Cerrato earns you ... nada.

[I saw what you did trying to give Vinny props for passing on Ochocinco, VINNY LOVER!]

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse


Screw Ngota. I'm so tired of going after the biggest name in free agency and tying up our entire payroll in one huge signing. What's wrong with passing on Ngota and trying to balance our money over the team's many needs?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 2:05 PM

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the hills are alive with the sound of music

beautiful music to my ears beep

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Less shame.

Posted by: dcsween

That ship sailed the day he got replaced by Rex Grossman.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 5:38 PM

The train has not sailed.

The official revisionist history will read that Shanahan and McNabb agreed to part ways after the playoffs became statistically impossible, but to protect McNabb from further injury, he was kept on the sidelines.

No way to prove or disprove. Repetition becomes truth. No way to dust for vomit.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2011 6:04 PM | Report abuse

That ship sailed....

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 5:38 PM

McNabb's looking for another ship now -- the aircraft carrier of humanitarian aid. He's a disaster victim. Just ask his agent.

Posted by: beep-beep

I oughta try to use nautical metaphors more often. But for now ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_04k_sLDM

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Ngata is unlike the Haynesworth or McNabb (or Randel-El or Archuleta or DeAngelo Hall) signings. Unlike those guys, this is the first season he's eligible for free agency after his rookie contract. Actually, it would be more like Brandon Lloyd, except without the the known baggage and attitude.

Quick stomping on my dreams!

[And if Ngata is not available, then Aubrayo Franklin ... or Asomugha ... have any of The Owner's plashy hires been former franchise taggees?]

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

or Cullen Jenkins

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2011 6:12 PM | Report abuse

This is nowhere near the same situation as with Plummer. Plummer didn't want to play football anymore. Plummer announced he was retiring before Shanahan tried to trade him. It had nothing to do with what team he was being traded to. McNabb still wants to play. He's not going to retire just because he didn't go to the team he wanted. Look for the Dolphins, Vikings, or Cardinals to trade us a 3rd for him .

Posted by: kerrdawg | January 7, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I think I would hesitate to sign ngata. There's a reason Baltimore drafted Terrence Cody and if they let Ngata go then that would indicate to me that they know something I don't.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 7, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Probably means they know the value of NT in a 3-4. I doubt that they let Ngata go, but if his price gets too high, they might. That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with Ngata. But he will use up a lot of cap room(assuming cap).

Posted by: frediefritz | January 7, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

They knew Ngata would be a FA after this season, so they drafted Cody as an insurance policy in case they couldn't retain him. Ngata has had an all-pro year, so if he's hiding some nagging injuries, they aren't affecting his game much!

Posted by: PDXskin | January 7, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps I'm in the tank for Shanahan for this reason:

I am a school Principal and have been at my current school for 3 years. In my first year, I observed that the staff did pretty much what they wanted to do. There were few rules that people followed and students were not achieving.

Like Shanahan, I wanted to establish a culture of accountability. IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING THE CULTURE, I KNOW I MADE MISTAKES, MISHANDLED SOME PEOPLE, AND MADE SOME BAD DECISIONS.

Thank goodness, I was not fired after my first year, because in my second year, test scores went up and people began to comply. Did people b*tch, HELL YEAH, but those that did not conform were moved out.

The point I'm making is that no one likes change and when you don't get results right away, people question your judgement.

Mike Shanahan could fail, but what I find remarkable is that people feel he will succeed without error.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Did I miss a Barno sighting?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 7, 2011 5:22 PM |

I wouldn't say you missed it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

That's a little too intelligent for this blog Ricky.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 7, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

If Harbaugh is gonna coach the Niners, what are the chances he tanks the season to get a crack at Andrew Luck???

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2011 6:47 PM | Report abuse

"... Jason Campbell, who moved on to the Oakland Raiders and had a pretty good season."

Funniest line of the new year so far!
You're not serious, are you? Or are you just trying to find unique, if untrue, ways to kick Redskins fans when they're down?

Campbell was HORRIBLE for the Raiders.
HORRIBLE!

...

Campbell got benched for Bruce Gradkowski, MULTIPLE TIMES this season. Campbell lost to the 49ers who were winless at the time, and was shut down and shut out against real teams like the Steelers and Ravens.

If Gradkowski didn't get hurt for the 100th time, Campbell would have never seen the playing field after week 3.

...


While we are finally moving in the right direction, there's still plenty to criticize the Redskins about. Implying that we should not have let Campbell go is NOT one of those criticisms!

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 7, 2011 3:28 PM |

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UM. Wouldn't say Campbell was "HORRIBLE" this year. He led the Raiders to their first 3 game win streak in the last 8 years.

His completion % was 60% and he threw 13 TDs and 8 INTs.

He started 8 games for the Raiders and Coach Jaw Bone Cable's decision to repeatedly go back to Gradkowski (despite Campbell having a winning record and Grad having a losing one), probably cost him his job.

Raiders finished 8 and 8.

They were 6 and ZERO in their division and finished off the year with Campbell at QB while they took the playoff bound KC Quiffs apart 31 - 10... IN Narrowhead stadium.

I'd say Campbell's year was a lot better than any of the Redskins,' except maybe MeHall.

Next year, his buddy Hue Jackson will probably be his head coach as well.

You should be more worried about Wrecks Nessman.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 7, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse


If Harbaugh is gonna coach the Niners, what are the chances he tanks the season to get a crack at Andrew Luck???

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2011 6:47 PM |

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you were kidding about being a principal, weren't you ?

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

"... Jason Campbell, who moved on to the Oakland Raiders and had a pretty good season."

Funniest line of the new year so far!
You're not serious, are you? Or are you just trying to find unique, if untrue, ways to kick Redskins fans when they're down?

Campbell was HORRIBLE for the Raiders.
HORRIBLE!

...

Campbell got benched for Bruce Gradkowski, MULTIPLE TIMES this season. Campbell lost to the 49ers who were winless at the time, and was shut down and shut out against real teams like the Steelers and Ravens.

If Gradkowski didn't get hurt for the 100th time, Campbell would have never seen the playing field after week 3.

...


While we are finally moving in the right direction, there's still plenty to criticize the Redskins about. Implying that we should not have let Campbell go is NOT one of those criticisms!

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 7, 2011 3:28 PM |

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UM. Wouldn't say Campbell was "HORRIBLE" this year. He led the Raiders to their first 3 game win streak in the last 8 years.

His completion % was 60% and he threw 13 TDs and 8 INTs.

He started 8 games for the Raiders and Coach Jaw Bone Cable's decision to repeatedly go back to Gradkowski (despite Campbell having a winning record and Grad having a losing one), probably cost him his job.

Raiders finished 8 and 8.

They were 6 and ZERO in their division and finished off the year with Campbell at QB while they took the playoff bound KC Quiffs apart 31 - 10... IN Narrowhead stadium.

I'd say Campbell's year was a lot better than any of the Redskins,' except maybe MeHall.

Next year, his buddy Hue Jackson will probably be his head coach as well.

You should be more worried about Wrecks Nessman.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 7, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

No hessone...

I am!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

ricky, your own example is a reasonable approach. Though I suspect the difference in the job change you made is more significant than the change Shanahan made when he came to DC.

In my ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, I wrote:

"For all the criticism I’ve leveled at Shanahan, his history buys him a 1 year pass."

One of the key things with Shanahan -- you are getting a 'been there, done that' guy. It is a different standard than you'd give someone who you'd expect to grow on the job.

To me, he made 1 huge mistake, and it was the same mistake Vinny made. He tried to win now AND rebuild when he should have simply been rebuilding.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Lorenzo Alexander said he is going to do MMA training this off-season to get in better shape.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 5:45 PM

Hopefully he'll put some fools in a rear naked choke on special teams and leave the OLB position to a early draft pick.

That only failed slightly less than AC99 @ OLB.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

3.8

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Dies,

I think LA97 would make a better middle linebacker in this defense.

Kind of like big boy for Pittsburgh Kirkland.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Programming note:

Potential Skins 2nd RD pick QB Pat Devlin in on the ESPN2

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse


No hessone...

I am!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2011 6:58 PM |

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congratulations on turning things around at your school. the children raising their grades should be a nice rewarding feeling, I'm sure

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Pat Devlin is on ESPN2 if you guys want to take a look at him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 7, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

4.4

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Turns out it was 4.4, 10-15 miles or so from here

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Now its reported as a 4.1, closer to my initial 3.8 estimate

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Ed Reed’s brother missing, jumped into Mississippi River to avoid police
Posted by Michael David Smith on January 7, 2011, 7:14 PM EST
Brian Reed, the 29-year-old brother of Ravens safety Ed Reed, is missing after jumping into the Mississippi River to avoid police in St. Charles, Louisiana.

Deputies say they saw Brian Reed jump into the river, go under water and disappear.

“The suspect jumped into the river, went about 15 feet according to the deputy,” Sgt. Dwayne LaGrange, a spokesman for the St. Charles Parish Sheriff’s Office, told WWL TV. “At some particular point they said he did witness hands and head come up and go under the water and never resurface again.”

Reed had been involved in a chase and may have been driving a stolen car, police said, and the car matched the description of a vehicle that almost ran another driver off the road.

But Karen Reed, the mother of Brian and Ed, said her son was driving a family member’s car.

“He was a good person,” said Karen Reed. “He kind of had a little run in with drugs and stuff. He had kind of got off it. Other than that he was alright. . . . I’m hoping he’s not in the water. If he is it’s going to be up,” she said.

Ed Reed and the Ravens are scheduled to play against the Chiefs in Kansas City on Sunday.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Floud- I agree and I've used that exact same comparison.

RE: Barno- I don't mind Barno but I still get a chuckle that PoopyMcPoop created a handle after his dog that passed away....DixontheDog.

RE: Ngata has played more DE than NT this year. He's versatile and plays which every role is asked of him. He's the antithesis of Albert. Kelly Gregg and Mt. Cody get the majority of the snaps at NT.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you zest...

The difference between Cerrato and Shanahan is this...

Cerrato would have signed McNabb to an extension last off season and we would have been on the hook for 3 to 5 years with huge money.

Shanahan screwed up and took a big PR hit, but it's not a catastrophic mistake. It will cost them nothing to get rid of him.


I think that shouldn't go unnoticed.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2011 7:31 PM | Report abuse

what level RR?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 7, 2011 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan screwed up and took a big PR hit, but it's not a catastrophic mistake. It will cost them nothing to get rid of him.

I think that shouldn't go unnoticed.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2011 7:31 PM

Shanahan took a hit with this fan when he traded for the former and forever to be known as an Eagle QB.

I don't care about the benching in DET, the lies to protect #5, the final benching, or if they hold on to him until Sept 11th.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I think that shouldn't go unnoticed.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2011

It would go unnoticed if we could get those draft picks back. The bloggas knew what DM was about before he came here and he didn't disappoint.

Posted by: dcwun | January 7, 2011 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you zest...

The difference between Cerrato and Shanahan is this...

Cerrato would have signed McNabb to an extension last off season and we would have been on the hook for 3 to 5 years with huge money.

Shanahan screwed up and took a big PR hit, but it's not a catastrophic mistake. It will cost them nothing to get rid of him.


I think that shouldn't go unnoticed.

Posted by: rickyroge

Yeah, but Shanahan made way too many mistakes, big and small. The guy isn't an amateur -- the prior clowns were.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 7:46 PM | Report abuse


RE: Barno- I don't mind Barno but I still get a chuckle that PoopyMcPoop created a handle after his dog that passed away....DixontheDog.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 7:28 PM |

Spesaking of Poopy, I wonder why he hasn't figured it out that all you have to do is change your IP address and you're back in business. Pull the plug on the modem and router overnight and then re-register using a different email address and there you have it...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2011 7:51 PM | Report abuse

ricky, your own example is a reasonable approach. Though I suspect the difference in the job change you made is more significant than the change Shanahan made when he came to DC.

In my ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, I wrote:

"For all the criticism I’ve leveled at Shanahan, his history buys him a 1 year pass."

One of the key things with Shanahan -- you are getting a 'been there, done that' guy. It is a different standard than you'd give someone who you'd expect to grow on the job.

To me, he made 1 huge mistake, and it was the same mistake Vinny made. He tried to win now AND rebuild when he should have simply been rebuilding.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I say he gets 2 years to prove himself. Last year he came in and didn't know any of the players. Sure, there was preseason, but you don't really know what you have until you start the regular season. Besides, FA was very weak in 2010.

Now he and Has know what they are dealing with, and can make better roster changes. FA is stronger, and he'll have a full draft. But it will still take one more year of tweaking to come up with a competitive squad and system combination.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 7, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't think for a second that moving McB1tch is the highest priority this team has right now.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl |

No, that would probably be unloading Haynesworth. Be nice if they could get both done by the draft. "McB1tch" LOL...did I say LOL...I mean....ROLF...no I mean.....ROFLMAO. Gorsh, that is some fine comedy.

Posted by: TheCork | January 7, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Lingerie Football League bench clearing brawl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4c1HRaOlqE

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 8:07 PM | Report abuse


on the mcnabb trade:


I just pooped my pants.

And it has nothing to do with this trade.

I just wanted to poop, so I pooped in my pants.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | April 5, 2010 2:55 AM |

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you don't know what you got till it's gone

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 8:12 PM | Report abuse

you don't know what you got till it's gone

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 8:12 PM |

True statement. Bad example.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Lingerie Football League bench clearing brawl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4c1HRaOlqE

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 8:07

Just wonderful. The owner/founder/commish of that league is a Skins fan. I used to watch games with him and others when I would be at the LA pad.

Posted by: dcwun | January 7, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse


True statement. Bad example.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 8:18 PM |

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it can be viewed in two different lites

Posted by: hessone | January 7, 2011 8:22 PM | Report abuse

This is a clip from a PFT story I thought it was funny.


"The Broncos were previously thought to have interest in Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams and Falcons offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey. Williams has insisted otherwise, while Mularkey pulled out of the hunt a day after Elway referred to him as “Mark” in a press conference."

Elway already doing a great job.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Lingerie Football League bench clearing brawl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4c1HRaOlqE

Posted by: Diesel44
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Great stuff. One would really expect to see some boobage escapes in such a melee, but I didn't notice any.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 7, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Great stuff. One would really expect to see some boobage escapes in such a melee, but I didn't notice any.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 7, 2011 8:30 PM |

There wasn't any and believe me I was looking hard.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 8:32 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is pretty much done as an effective starter.

The offense looked better -- significantly better at times -- with journeyman Rex Grossman under center.

His legs are gone. Now he's pocket passer who isn't accurate and can't pick up a new offense quick. No one is going to want to pay him like a franchise QB because he isn't one anymore.

He's also not as well-liked by his teammates as everyone seems to think.

The guys in Philly did not like him. Thought he was two-faced.

It's why you never heard a peep -- not even anonymously -- from his Washington teammates when he got benched. They clearly had no problem with the switch. They watch the game films, they see the missed reads, the bounce passes, etc...

I'm telling you, the guy is done.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | January 7, 2011 8:34 PM | Report abuse

"The Broncos were previously thought to have interest in Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams and Falcons offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey. Williams has insisted otherwise, while Mularkey pulled out of the hunt a day after Elway referred to him as “Mark” in a press conference."

Elway already doing a great job.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2011 8:26 PM

I think he identified a guy who's too thin-skinned to be a head coach in the NFL.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

'm telling you, the guy is done.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | January 7, 2011 8:34 PM

You make a good case Myles, even if you sound strangely like a poster under a different name.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

campbell did have decent numbers and season for raiders he was also the qb when raiders scored all of their highest point totals one of the games raiders lost was high scoring game with campbell as qb the TEAM lost not campbell that is STUPID. don't have to worry about gradkowski playing much for raiders he himself is nothing but a journey man with avg arm who can't take a hit always injured, a strong breeze from the bay would put him on injured reserve.

Posted by: wathu19 | January 7, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

^just wow^

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 7, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I say he gets 2 years to prove himself. Last year he came in and didn't know any of the players. Sure, there was preseason, but you don't really know what you have until you start the regular season. Besides, FA was very weak in 2010.

Now he and Has know what they are dealing with, and can make better roster changes. FA is stronger, and he'll have a full draft. But it will still take one more year of tweaking to come up with a competitive squad and system combination.

Posted by: frediefritz

I'm actually not concerned with being good in 2011. I'd like to be better, younger and improving. 2011 is about getting good for 2012 and 2013. Unfortunately, 2010 should have been about getting good for 2011 and 2012.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

No way I would give an inch if I were Shanny to McNabb or his f'ing agent. Dude's under contract, better start coming into work and working hard like everyone else on the Washington Redskins. Who knows, if he's lucky, he might win a roster spot here next year.

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 7, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Lingerie Football League bench clearing brawl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4c1HRaOlqE

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 8:07 PM | Report abuse

That's what I'm talking about! And they a are all free agents! Where is their blog?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 7, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

ST and LL would be a helluva tandem at this point.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 7, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Lingerie Football League bench clearing brawl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4c1HRaOlqE

Posted by: Diesel44

Gosh, seems like I was watching a hockey game ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

That's what I'm talking about! And they a are all free agents! Where is their blog?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 7, 2011 9:03 PM

Looks like a bunch of TEs...

Which we have plenty.

Speaking of...Lucky FD86 didn't throw a bottle of water in one of those chicks faces.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually not concerned with being good in 2011. I'd like to be better, younger and improving. 2011 is about getting good for 2012 and 2013. Unfortunately, 2010 should have been about getting good for 2011 and 2012.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

But what was available in 2010? First of all, MS hadn't had a chance to do anything by look at tape of the players from 2009. Once he did that, where was he to get replacements? Yes, there were a few FA's available. But it was the worst class of FA's, due to change in rules. And MS was limited with draft choices. So where did he go wrong?

In 20/20 hindsight, DMac. But that wasn't a huge mistake. Many informed analysts, plus most of us on the blog, thought that was a great move. He certainly made an improvement. It just wasn't enough to improve the record significantly.

Back to the drawing boards.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 7, 2011 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan screwed up and took a big PR hit, but it's not a catastrophic mistake. It will cost them nothing to get rid of him.

I think that shouldn't go unnoticed.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2011 7:31 PM

Shanahan took a hit with this fan when he traded for the former and forever to be known as an Eagle QB.

I don't care about the benching in DET, the lies to protect #5, the final benching, or if they hold on to him until Sept 11th.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I think that shouldn't go unnoticed.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2011

It would go unnoticed if we could get those draft picks back. The bloggas knew what DM was about before he came here and he didn't disappoint.

Posted by: dcwun | January 7, 2011 7:40 PM | Report abuse

So are you all suggesting that Shanahan be fired?

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan took a hit with this fan when he traded for the former and forever to be known as an Eagle QB.


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 7:39 PM

You didn't like this trade? Why didn't you say so before now?

Diesel, the horse you are beating is dead.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Principal RR-

Me? Have you been paying attention. I'm apparently one of the biggest MS apologists..

I'm all in when it comes to Shanahan because if he fails then what's to stop Snyder from going back to playing fantasy football with our beloved team?

Although to quote Omar Little, "I'm not much for cards but I think these .45's beat a full house."

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 9:28 PM | Report abuse

You didn't like this trade? Why didn't you say so before now?

Diesel, the horse you are beating is dead.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 9:23 PM

Consistency is something that would behoove you. I said it last Easter and again today. I called it JT55 2.0 on that very day. F the Eagles and McNabb.

When people b1tch about Shanahan that's the ONLY thing that I will concede.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

When people b1tch about Shanahan that's the ONLY thing that I will concede.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 9:40 PM

It was a big screw up by Shanahan. I'd love to hear how he rationalizes it. I guess only Snyder and Kyle will hear that story.

You thought it was a screw up from the get go. I didn't. I trusted Shanahan on QBs. Are you sure you didn't go to Duke?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 9:52 PM | Report abuse

You thought it was a screw up from the get go. I didn't. I trusted Shanahan on QBs.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 9:52 PM

How could you? You were League-Source last April.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I think last April I was Fair-And-Balanced for a few weeks until it made Nate crazy and he asked me to go back to beep-beep.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 7, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually not concerned with being good in 2011. I'd like to be better, younger and improving. 2011 is about getting good for 2012 and 2013. Unfortunately, 2010 should have been about getting good for 2011 and 2012.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

But what was available in 2010? First of all, MS hadn't had a chance to do anything by look at tape of the players from 2009. Once he did that, where was he to get replacements? Yes, there were a few FA's available. But it was the worst class of FA's, due to change in rules. And MS was limited with draft choices. So where did he go wrong?

In 20/20 hindsight, DMac. But that wasn't a huge mistake. Many informed analysts, plus most of us on the blog, thought that was a great move. He certainly made an improvement. It just wasn't enough to improve the record significantly.

Back to the drawing boards.

Posted by: frediefritz |

There were a ton of mistakes, I cited 9 players who Shanahan didn't or won't get the high end of market value for on their way out the door in a ZEKE'S posting a few weeks back. It was a repeated failure to sell high.

As for McNabb, I'll count myself among those that said no. Not because I thought he'd be as bad as he was, but because he wasn't enough of an upgrade of Campbell and we had other major needs.

Still, the basic "gone wrong" was the idea that he could win now (or soon) and rebuild, the same basic mistake Vinny made.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 10:49 PM | Report abuse

If we hadn't taken McFly, I wonder which of those high 2nd round picks we would've taken... and how they performed in 2010.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 7, 2011 10:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you Diesel...

Zcest...do you think Shanahan should be fired?

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2011 10:58 PM | Report abuse

The saga continues and I am amazed that the Post chronicles this travesty by giving the Shanahans a pass, while demeaning the "accomplished" QB.

The Post Sports writers need to go in more depth on why Shanahan gave so much to bring McNabb to DC. Why he did not upgrade the 2009 weaknesses on the Offensive line, why they tried to force feed a top ten defense a totally new defensive scheme, when they should have known the personel were not suitable for the 3-4 defense, and basically why, with such poor evaluation skills, should we put our faith in them.

Posted by: 15of18 | January 7, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you Diesel...

Zcest...do you think Shanahan should be fired?

Posted by: rickyroge

No.

I think he got 2010 wrong, but his track record is too long and strong and he gets the benefit of the doubt (something McNabb won't get).

I do wish he'd hire a HC -- I think he is wearing too many hats.

I know he can coach well, I think he can do personnel well,. even though his track record is mixed, if he spend enough time on it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2011 11:12 PM | Report abuse

The saga continues and I am amazed that the Post chronicles this travesty by giving the Shanahans a pass, while demeaning the "accomplished" QB.

The Post Sports writers need to go in more depth on why Shanahan gave so much to bring McNabb to DC. Why he did not upgrade the 2009 weaknesses on the Offensive line, why they tried to force feed a top ten defense a totally new defensive scheme, when they should have known the personel were not suitable for the 3-4 defense, and basically why, with such poor evaluation skills, should we put our faith in them.

Posted by: 15of18 | January 7, 2011 10:59 PM
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15,
First off, you need to lower your expectations if you think the Post employs actual sports writers. What we get here on RI is "sports re-reporting" by a couple of trained monkeys. All of their sources are other columns, blogs, etc.

Second, Shanahan thought, as many of us did at the time, that he was getting a franchise quarterback with a few more seasons in his tank that could grasp a similar play book pretty quickly. Shanahan just made a mistake.

Third, Shanahan did try upgrading the offensive line. He spent three draft picks on offensive linemen and signed two free agents. I think he made an effort. That said, I think he needs to continue to make an effort in this draft and free agency period.

Fourth, I agree 100% on what a lame-brained idea it was to convert to 3-4 without making wholesale changes - painful changes - to the roster. Shanahan saw what a lot of teams have seen in that 3-4 defenses are winning more games than 4-3 defenses and so that was the bright new shiny toy he wanted. The truth is, the team really is far away from getting the right personnel in place, and though I think the defense will be improved next year, I seriously doubt it will be in the top half of the NFL.

Fifth, we should put our faith in Shanahan because we have no other choice. As far as I can tell, Dan Snyder does not allow fans to vote on what coach he hires - or in this matter, retains. So, as a Redskin fan, you can either put your faith in Shanahan or gripe about his every move like some on this blog are wont to do. Me? I think Shanahan is putting a great team together, but it will take time and he will make mistakes along the way. I wonder what fans will be saying about Shanahan in 2013...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2011 11:31 PM | Report abuse

As far as I can tell, Dan Snyder does not allow fans to vote on what coach he hires - or in this matter, retains.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2011 11:31 PM

What's more, if there had been an election Shanahan would have won by 80-95% of the vote. And if there had been an election, his term of office was five years, the length of his contract. So, this is not an election year, and he hasn't committed an impeachable offense (like Zorn).

So, STFU. He was the people's choice. His support has declined (like every president after his first year in office) but he's still the man. Now let him do his job. Come back and whine when he's up for re-election. And if you're so unhappy with him as the leader, move to Ireland.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Redskins off-season: defensive needs
By mistahoe-moe

Left Defensive End

Adam Carriker: a keeper

Philip Daniels: retirement is calling--you'd betta answer


Nose Tackle

Maake Kemoeatu: a goner

Anthony Bryant: a starter

Right Defensive End (massive weak spot, y'all)

Kedric Golston: a back up NT/DT

Albert Haynesworth: a trade chip worth about as much as a buffalo chip

Jeremy Jarmon: a dark horse candidate who played well against the Giants and Jags

Left Outside Linebacker

Andre Carter: a goner

Lorenzo Alexander: maybe the second year at the position will prove why he really is just a special teamer/back up guy or a position switch win.

Robert Jackson: the end of the season 'who is that guy?' Start him opposite Orakpo, limit his coverage responsibilities, and you might have a solid olb.

Left Inside Linebacker

London Fletcher: a keeper who soon must be replaced


Right Inside Linebacker (weak spot, y'all)

Rocky McIntosh: we didn't trade this guys Lance Briggs?

Why?

A definate goner

Are Robert Henson, HB Blades, and Perry Riley worthy back ups?

Right Outside Linebacker

Brain Orakpo: a keeper--but let him put his hand on the ground more often

Cornerbacks: Carlos Rogers--he wants to get paid. Someone not named Dan Snyder will pay him.

DeAngelo Hall: a Pro Bowl corner--yeah, sure, maybe

Kevin Barnes: dude is a FS, y'all

Philip Buchanan: massively unimpressive

Bryon Westbrook: let'em play

Free Safety: yes, free Chris Horton and Kareem Moore so that they might find employment elsewhere

Reed Doughty: a keeper

Strong Safety:

LaRon Landry: this dude WAS and Is our Pro Bowler

Reed Doughty: see above


Defensive needs: a FS, another corner, a defensive end/tackle, a NT, an inside linebacker with size and speed...

...and an offense that commits long drives and keeps the defense on the bench: keeping other team's offense off the field is the best defense there is, y'all.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Package McNabb and Haynesworth to Tennessee.

Posted by: rastines | January 8, 2011 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Let Smith do the work…Get what you can and move on. There’s nothing to be gained by playing around with DM. After all Shanahan you brought him in and from then to when and how he leaves is a reflection on you.
Time to move on.

Posted by: fat_back | January 8, 2011 7:11 AM | Report abuse

..then, we have complete sillness to deal with:

The Post Sports writers need to go in more depth on why Shanahan gave so much to bring McNabb to DC.

..ah, McNabb is a Pro Bowl quarterback, a vet, and at the time, someone seen as an upgrade over Jason Campbell, his flaws notwithstanding

Why he did not upgrade the 2009 weaknesses on the Offensive line,..

The team drafted a left tackle, traded for a Pro Bowl right tackle, brought in two back up guards, and drafted two other offensive lineman...you're right, the team did ignore the o-line.

Why they tried to force feed a top ten defense a totally new defensive scheme,..

A top ten defense and back to back 4-12 records go together like Al Sharpton and Glenn Beck.

...basically why, with such poor evaluation skills, should we put our faith in them.

Syntax error: who has the poor evaluation skills, we or the Shanahans?

My own self-evaulation suggests that I'm half crazy and totally full of b.s.

And we put faith in Shanahan because he knows more about football than the cut-n-paste crew running this forum.

Give these people time to prove they are incompetent, we know were already are.

Otherwise, we'll miss out on a whole lot of good entertainment and jibba-jabba: all of it will be crazy and most of it will be b.s..

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 7:20 AM | Report abuse

..then, we have complete sillness to deal with

...

Otherwise, we'll miss out on a whole lot of good entertainment and jibba-jabba: all of it will be crazy and most of it will be b.s..

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 7:20 AM

Looking ahead, the Redskins have improved from 4-12 to 6-10, on pace for a 16-0 perfect season in 2015.

However the RI jibba-jabba fell from 4-12 to 3-13, on pace for talking in tongues, drooling, and total random incoherence in 2013. I'd like to think that I've done my part, and Moe you've certainly done more than your share.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Defensive needs: a FS, another corner, a defensive end/tackle, a NT, an inside linebacker with size and speed...

...and an offense that commits long drives and keeps the defense on the bench: keeping other team's offense off the field is the best defense there is, y'all.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 6:55 AM

Interesting that you"d stay the course with current personnel at OLB. With FA like Tamba Hali, Woodley and the draft littered with 3-4 OLB at the top and middle of the first round; I'd like to see more (new) competition at that position.

As far as inside LBs go, I've read a couple of articles that suggest that AJ Hawk is the odd man out in Green Bay. He'd be an obvious improvement over Rocky IMO.

Posted by: TWISI | January 8, 2011 8:29 AM | Report abuse

As far as I can tell, Dan Snyder does not allow fans to vote on what coach he hires - or in this matter, retains.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2011 11:31 PM

What's more, if there had been an election Shanahan would have won by 80-95% of the vote. And if there had been an election, his term of office was five years, the length of his contract. So, this is not an election year, and he hasn't committed an impeachable offense (like Zorn).

So, STFU. He was the people's choice. His support has declined (like every president after his first year in office) but he's still the man. Now let him do his job. Come back and whine when he's up for re-election. And if you're so unhappy with him as the leader, move to Ireland.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 6:31 AM
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Beep, I hope the STFU was directed toward the general group of Shanahan naysayers. If you read the rest of what I worte you would know we are of the same mind when it comes to Shanahan. My point was we don't choose the coaches and as fans we can either get on the bus or off it, but we're not going to change the coach.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 8, 2011 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Beep, I hope the STFU was directed toward the general group of Shanahan naysayers. If you read the rest of what I worte you would know we are of the same mind when it comes to Shanahan. My point was we don't choose the coaches and as fans we can either get on the bus or off it, but we're not going to change the coach.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 8, 2011 8:43 AM

It was. I was trying to support your point, extend it, and poke the guy in the eye.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 8:53 AM | Report abuse

twisi

Interesting that you"d stay the course with current personnel at OLB.


What do we really know about guys like RobJax, Robert Henson, Perry Riley, and if Lo Alexander will improve the second go round at OLB?

Yes: I'd add linebackers to replace the departed A Carter/Rocky McIntosh.

(I'd bring in AJ Hawk and a rookie.)

But in the 3-4, strong linemen keep the linebackers free to make plays.

If you notice, the redskin defense was somewhat better once A Bryant assumed the nose and Vonnie Holliday took over at right defensive end.

So let's bolster those spots with draftees.

We need improved right d-end/nose tackle play.

With that, you can see what our linebackers are really worth.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

They'll definitely resolve this in a mutually beneficial way. It would be ironic if Philly trades Kolb, re-signs McNabb as a backup to Vick. Then this would have all been a ruse to get two draft picks from the ever naive Redskins, the kind Philly excels in (#2, #3, #4) and they get Donovan back in the process to help keep Vick successful. Could happen. Wherever McNabb lands he will have a better shot at post-season and a chance at the ever elusive Super Bowl ring. Like many marginalized Redskin players he will find success and never look back. Meanwhile, we'll have Rex. Steve Spurrier still has an influence on the team with his QB from Florida.

Posted by: bfjam | January 8, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

...total random incoherence....and Moe you've certainly done more than your share.

My ph d. is in Chaos Theory.

This means that whenever I make a statement, most people wonder why meaning, facts, and logic aren't involved.

My master's dissertation was for me to get out in the field early to make sure the cotton got picked.

It did.

Thew power of his whip was just that strong.

The final reason why my posts are so incoherent is that my undergraduate work was in the random application of b.s..

A degree in b.s. means I always use my best stuff whenever I'm advancing my ideas.

That is, if I ever have any.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

They'll definitely resolve this in a mutually beneficial way. It would be ironic if Philly trades Kolb, re-signs McNabb as a backup to Vick. Then this would have all been a ruse to get two draft picks from the ever naive Redskins, the kind Philly excels in (#2, #3, #4) and they get Donovan back in the process to help keep Vick successful. Could happen. Wherever McNabb lands he will have a better shot at post-season and a chance at the ever elusive Super Bowl ring. Like many marginalized Redskin players he will find success and never look back. Meanwhile, we'll have Rex. Steve Spurrier still has an influence on the team with his QB from Florida.

Posted by: bfjam | January 8, 2011 9:58 AM |

I think we have all become dumber by reading this.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 8, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Tom Cable should not have been fired.

Ooooppppps: wrong blog.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I think we have all become dumber by reading this.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 8, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Tom Cable should not have been fired.

Ooooppppps: wrong blog.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 10:14 AM

Speaking for myself, I feel dumber. And speaking for Moe.... Okay, never safe to speak for Moe.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

As far as I can tell, Dan Snyder does not allow fans to vote on what coach he hires - or in this matter, retains.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2011 11:31 PM

I do think fans may have influenced him on firing vinny and not hiring fassel.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 8, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

...total random incoherence....and Moe you've certainly done more than your share.

My ph d. is in Chaos Theory.

This means that whenever I make a statement, most people wonder why meaning, facts, and logic aren't involved.

My master's dissertation was for me to get out in the field early to make sure the cotton got picked.

It did.

Thew power of his whip was just that strong.

The final reason why my posts are so incoherent is that my undergraduate work was in the random application of b.s..

A degree in b.s. means I always use my best stuff whenever I'm advancing my ideas.

That is, if I ever have any.
Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 10:06 AM
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Impressive, Mr. Moe.

Posted by: lacy41 | January 8, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I have no issue with the Shanahans going with Grossman instead of McNabb, if they deem Grossman to be a better fit. But, with three games left in the season benching McNabb was cutting your nose off to spite your face. The Skins would have been better served had Mike Shanahan shown some grace and humility in dealing with McNabb and Haynesworth. They both had value at one time, but they don't now. Just look at the grace Andy Reid showed in getting rid of McNabb, he's a smarter guy and a better leader.

Posted by: deshackleford | January 8, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

The Skins would have been better served had Mike Shanahan shown some grace and humility in dealing with McNabb and Haynesworth. They both had value at one time, but they don't now.

Posted by: deshackleford | January 8, 2011 11:17 AM

I just can't understand the way these people think. Haynesworth had value before he refused to play in the 3-4 and then devalued himself with his on-field performance. McNabb had value before he played uncharacteristically bad this season.

Both players lost value because of their on field performance, not because of Mike Shanahan. Yet one after another of these dribbling fools comes up here and blames Mike Shanahan for these Haynesworth and McNabb's weak play.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Tom Cable should not have been fired.

Ooooppppps: wrong blog.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 10:14 AM
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Maybe they should start calling Jason Campbell a "coach killer": Gibbs, Zorn, Cable...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 8, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Maybe they should start calling Jason Campbell a "coach killer": Gibbs, Zorn, Cable...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 8, 2011 11:38 AM

I think the coach killer is Al Davis: Callahan, Turner, Shell, Kiffen, Cable since 2002.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I have no issue with the Shanahans going with Grossman instead of McNabb, if they deem Grossman to be a better fit. But, with three games left in the season benching McNabb was cutting your nose off to spite your face. The Skins would have been better served had Mike Shanahan shown some grace and humility in dealing with McNabb and Haynesworth. They both had value at one time, but they don't now. Just look at the grace Andy Reid showed in getting rid of McNabb, he's a smarter guy and a better leader.

Posted by: deshackleford | January 8, 2011 11:17 AM
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Grossman started the last three games because the coaches needed to see if it was the quarterback or the surrounding cast that was making the offense sputter. They also needed if Grossman and McNabb were worth retaining next season. The Redskins season was done at that point. They had been mathematically eliminated, so there was no harm in trying out other players. I think they proved to themselves that McNabb was hurting more than he was helping. Not saying Grossman is the answer, but it seemed to show that he is more of the answer than McNabb was. McNabb wasn't mis-treated. Any player that doesn't perform is subject to replacement. McNabb had thirteen games to prove he had command of the offense and he failed to prove that.

As for how Shanahan treated Haynesworth and McNabb, please grow up. This is football. What the coach says is the law of the land. It is not a democracy. Would you rather have a team that was run by the players? Oh, yes, we saw how well that worked with Zorn: Portis practiced when he wanted to, players deviated from their assignments, the rookies didn't feel they had a chance because the coach showed favortism to the veterans...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 8, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Maybe they should start calling Jason Campbell a "coach killer": Gibbs, Zorn, Cable...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 8, 2011 11:38 AM

I think the coach killer is Al Davis: Callahan, Turner, Shell, Kiffen, Cable since 2002.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 11:46 AM
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True that. As long as Al Davis breathes there will be no competitor for most meddlesome owner in professional sports.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 8, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Big waste of time. Move on. It would've been one thing if we'd replaced him with a QB of the future, but even I'd be insulted to be replaced by Grossman.

Here are my first round playoff picks if anyone is interested:

http://robb-crocker.blogspot.com/2011/01/playoff-predictions-wild-card-round.html

Posted by: robb9crock | January 8, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Maybe they should start calling Jason Campbell a "coach killer": Gibbs, Zorn, Cable...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 8, 2011 11:38 AM

Even after he's stopped breathing he'll still be in charge until they finally drive a stake through his heart.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

It would've been one thing if we'd replaced him with a QB of the future, but even I'd be insulted to be replaced by Grossman.

Posted by: robb9crock | January 8, 2011 11:54 AM

Insulted? Hey, I'd give my salary back if I'd been replaced by Grossman and he then played better than I'd played.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Like many marginalized Redskin players, he (Donovan McNabb) will find success and never look back.

The McNabb/Redskin divorce will be rather interesting.

I hope it's like the death of a bug on the windshield of a speeding Mack truck: short, brutish, and worth viewing.

And the driver of that truck?: Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

It's amateur hour at Redskins Park. The Shanahans did everything possible to diminish McNabb's trade value. The team is now in a position of weakness in trying to move him. Did they really need to evaluate Rex Grossman over 4 games? They could've played McNabb up through say game 14 and maybe McNabb and Grossman split duties for the final games. There would've been no dispute from McNabb or his agent, no indication that the Shanahans didn't like McNabb as a QB and they would've been in a strong position to trade him. Maybe they could've gotten a late 2nd or 3rd round pick for him. Now they'll maybe get a low round pick or some other team's problem player.

Posted by: randysbailin | January 8, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Moe

Lg, C, RG, WR major needs on offense this year

VS

NT, DE, OLB, CB major needs on defense this year

I got 8 new starters for next yr, I think we can grab those 8 in FA n the use of our top 3 picks.

I just hope we fill those positions n possibly add another guy at the same spot.

Last year shannys additions were nothing better than depth.

Leitch was picked up off the curb, hicks was supposed to back up BMW in a zone scheme, tell me that doesn't sound alil sad.

Point is we had nobodys and overpaid old guys. Now we have nobodys n overpaid old guys with depth. This year should be our youth movement

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 8, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The Shanahans did everything possible to diminish McNabb's trade value.

Posted by: randysbailin | January 8, 2011 12:15 PM

I take it you don't watch the games. The Shanahans tried to do everything they could to make him their QB for the next three or four years, starting with overpaying him. He, through his on field play, did everything that he could to diminish his value first to the Redskins and then to the rest of the league. Despite this, the Redskins gave him a contract that would pay him better than any other team in the league would pay him. How did McNabb respond? He laid an egg.

Hey, McNabb's value in trade is dependent entirely by the tape of him playing this year. Other teams don't care what he did for the Redskins. They care what he could do for them. And based on the tape, McNabb's an old hen who will lay an egg.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

the redskins have no power here.

they have to release mcnabb everyone knows that.

no team will trade for that contract.

and shannahan isn't smart enough to outsmart a rock.

if he tries to "screw" mcnabb by keeping him on the roster until the day before the first game then he risks a 34 year old player getting hurt at training camp and then the redskins would be on the hook for the whole $16.5M.

and the league won't allow them to not let him practice if he is on the team

Posted by: BSAM63 | January 8, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

This year should be our youth movement..


A youth movement is fine so long as folks understand that wanting youth means patience while the new players mature.

Take the offensive line:

Williams: rookie

Lichtenstieger: 2 years

Rabach: 8 years

Montgomery: 4 years

Brown: 5 years

Only Rabach and Brown have had extensive playing time.

Otherwise, the much put upon redskin offensive line is a young, developing line.

Three of the 5 players on the line are first time starters who, this season, faced some very good defensive lines with predictable results.

But the fanbase thinks that once the redskin young lineman are on the field, they are supposed to be just as good as the starting o-lineman in NY, KC, Nawlins, Oakland, and NE--lines replete with guys who've had time to jell and mature as a unit.

Then, those same fans shout that the team should draft more young o-linemen who'll also need time to mature as NFL players.

You can say replace young guys with young guys and then demand that they play like seasoned vets.

The line that finished the season is leaps and bounds better than the group that started the season.

And if we're all willing to wait (which we won't), it will be much better once the younger linemen mature and grow as NFL players.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Grossman started the last three games because the coaches needed to see if it was the quarterback or the surrounding cast that was making the offense sputter. They also needed if Grossman and McNabb were worth retaining next season. The Redskins season was done at that point. They had been mathematically eliminated, so there was no harm in trying out other players. I think they proved to themselves that McNabb was hurting more than he was helping. Not saying Grossman is the answer, but it seemed to show that he is more of the answer than McNabb was. McNabb wasn't mis-treated. Any player that doesn't perform is subject to replacement. McNabb had thirteen games to prove he had command of the offense and he failed to prove that.

As for how Shanahan treated Haynesworth and McNabb, please grow up. This is football. What the coach says is the law of the land. It is not a democracy. Would you rather have a team that was run by the players? Oh, yes, we saw how well that worked with Zorn: Portis practiced when he wanted to, players deviated from their assignments, the rookies didn't feel they had a chance because the coach showed favortism to the veterans...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 8, 2011 11:48 AM |

Dude, I'm all grown up. I not concerned whether McNabb or Haynesworth were mistreated. You said after 13 games McNabb failed, I agree. Point is how should the team best cut its losses? Obviously bringing McNabb to the team for a 2nd and a 4th was a terrible move, ala a 6-10 record. After the three game audition what did we learn about Rexx Grossman that we didn’t already know?

Posted by: deshackleford | January 8, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Last year shanny's additions were nothing better than depth.


The older players were the FAIL!

But:
Ryan Torain, Anthony Armstrong, Brandon Banks, Adam Carriker, Anthony Bryant, and Jammal Brown are hardly depth players.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

no team will trade for that contract.

if he tries to "screw" mcnabb by keeping him on the roster until the day before the first game...

Posted by: BSAM63 | January 8, 2011 12:51 PM

This is true, but it's irrelevant.

McNabb wants to sign with a new team ASAP. He want to be in their plans as a starter. He wants to learn their offense. He wants to work with them in the off season. He can't do that unless the Redskins will let him. He has no power. The later the Redskins cut him, the harder it will be for him to find a job and to negotiate a reasonable contract.

So, McNabb and the Redskins have a mutual interest in an early release. How can that happen? Only when McNabb and the Redskins are BOTH happy with what they get in return. The Redskins have to get a pick or two and McNabb has to negotiate a new contract with his new team. This will probably occur as soon as trades are allowed.

So, contrary to what you assert, the Redskins do have power here. That's what the new contract extension was about and what the meeting between Shanahan and the agent is about -- finding a win-win solution.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

After the three game audition what did we learn about Rexx Grossman that we didn’t already know?

Posted by: deshackleford | January 8, 2011 12:59 PM

That at this stage in their careers Rex Grossman is better than Donovan McNabb. If we'd played McNabb three more games, what would we have learned?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Just a bad team, from management to players. Pathetic.

Posted by: inva | January 8, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Just a bad team, from management to players. Pathetic.

Posted by: inva | January 8, 2011 1:11 PM |

Yes you are pathetic but don't feel bad.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 8, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that you"d stay the course with current personnel at OLB. With FA like Tamba Hali, Woodley and the draft littered with 3-4 OLB at the top and middle of the first round; I'd like to see more (new) competition at that position.

As far as inside LBs go, I've read a couple of articles that suggest that AJ Hawk is the odd man out in Green Bay. He'd be an obvious improvement over Rocky IMO.

Posted by: TWISI | January 8, 2011 8:29 AM

I'd target Hali or Woodley in FA and if they swing and miss I'd use #10 on Quinn/Kerrigan/Ayers.

They must upgrade their pass rush and that's the premier position.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 8, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

That at this stage in their careers Rex Grossman is better than Donovan McNabb. If we'd played McNabb three more games, what would we have learned?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 1:11 PM |

We would have learned nothing by playing McNabb the last three games. We had already decided he wasn't the short term or long term answer. Philadelphia did a better job of posturing; they got a 2nd and a 4th for a washed up QB. Andy Reid was crazy like a fox. We give the same washed up QB a contract extension then bench him to audition Rexx Grossman. Moves like that set the franchise backwards. We should've let him play out the string and tried to trade him. Now, here comes another distraction filled off-season. Come on man.

Posted by: deshackleford | January 8, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

That at this stage in their careers Rex Grossman is better than Donovan McNabb. If we'd played McNabb three more games, what would we have learned?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 1:11 PM |

We would have learned nothing by playing McNabb the last three games. We had already decided he wasn't the short term or long term answer. Philadelphia did a better job of posturing; they got a 2nd and a 4th for a washed up QB. Andy Reid was crazy like a fox. We give the same washed up QB a contract extension then bench him to audition Rexx Grossman. Moves like that set the franchise backwards. We should've let him play out the string and tried to trade him. Now, here comes another distraction filled off-season. Come on man.

Posted by: deshackleford | January 8, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

We should've let him play out the string and tried to trade him.

Posted by: deshackleford | January 8, 2011 1:46 PM

Play him some more? You don't think there was enough bad tape of him already? The more we played McNabb, the worse he looked. We probably would have maximized his trade value if we hadn't played him at all.

You don't seem to understand that other teams actually look at this tape and decide what they will give for him based on his on field performance. If McNabb had a Pro Bowl season we could have gotten a first for him -- regardless of how many games he was benched. He had what everyone regards as a bad season and three more games on the field wasn't going to change that.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: deshackleford | January 8, 2011 1:46 PM

They made the move with 3 games to evaluate Rex. They wanted to see if Rex could be a bridge/back up as they look for a long term solution.

Playing McNabb would have further devalued any potentially trade value. At least now all of those that are blind to how truly bad McNabb was this season will believe that's all Shanahan's fault and maybe some team's Front Office will be as stupid as most Redskin fans (not necessarily you shack).

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 8, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

At least now all of those that are blind to how truly bad McNabb was...

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 8, 2011 1:58 PM |

You're not blind to that are you? Aren't you one of the ones who was opposed to this trade from the moment that Mike Shanahan was signed at the Redskins coach? Hope I've got that right. Maybe it was p1funnelcake.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, we sholud've played him some more than praised him after every game.

Posted by: deshackleford | January 8, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

beep-

liked the Shanahan signing..

hated the trade for McNabb...

get it? got it? good..

p1funk has been released from his scholarship for excessive DHall man love.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 8, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, we sholud've played him some more than praised him after every game.

Posted by: deshackleford | January 8, 2011 2:10 PM

And they could have had orange wedges and capri-suns at the end of each game and at the end of the season they all would have gotten a trophy.

What's it tell you if the 2nd highest offer for McNabb's services last YR was a 4th from Oakland? I'll answer it for you...It tells you we overpaid for a 33 YR old QB that had very little value last YR coming off of a stellar season.

If we get anything for McNabb that will be a bonus but him playing/not playing wouldn't have made a difference.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 8, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

keep McNabb and Rex draft a QB of the future. Go, into the season with A-Old Vet B-System QB, C- Future starter.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 8, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that you"d stay the course with current personnel at OLB. With FA like Tamba Hali, Woodley and the draft littered with 3-4 OLB at the top and middle of the first round; I'd like to see more (new) competition at that position.

As far as inside LBs go, I've read a couple of articles that suggest that AJ Hawk is the odd man out in Green Bay. He'd be an obvious improvement over Rocky IMO.

Posted by: TWISI | January 8, 2011 8:29 AM

I'd target Hali or Woodley in FA and if they swing and miss I'd use #10 on Quinn/Kerrigan/Ayers.

They must upgrade their pass rush and that's the premier position.


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 8, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, Woodley has only 4 yrs of experience, so won't he be an RFA. Is there any talk that PGH will release him? I don't want to lose draft picks.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 8, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep

That at this stage in their careers Rex Grossman is better than Donovan McNabb. If we'd played McNabb three more games, what would we have learned?


Kinda sorta debatable.

Grossman is turnover prone and McNabb inaccurate.

McNabb still is an excellent deep ball thrower and Rex has flashes where he manages the offense rather well: he should be fine in terms of holding the forr while a young'n is groomed for most of this Fall.

But I still say that like a lot of vet NFL quarterbacks kicked to the curb, Donovan McNabb might still have some lightning in his professional bottle.

He can no longer sustain drives with scrambling or improvisation in the ways he beat teams--like the great sprints he had against us in '04/'05--throughout much of his career.

In his final years in Philly, he had success where elite playmakers took his mistakes and turned them into 40 yards runs.

And in s system with dynamic playmakers, DM5 can still be productive.

Remember: there's a world of a difference when you underthrow to CC and DeSean Jackson.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, Woodley has only 4 yrs of experience, so won't he be an RFA. Is there any talk that PGH will release him? I don't want to lose draft picks.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 8, 2011 3:16 PM |

If the rules go back to the way they were before the uncapped year which is expected then 4yrs of experience is enough to be an UFA.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 8, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

frediefritz

Woodley has only 4 yrs of experience, so won't he be an RFA. Is there any talk that PGH will release him?

Why would Lamar Woodley leave the stillers where the presence of James Harrison and Casey Hampton and Troy Polamalu account for much of his success?

Just askin'......

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Kinda sorta debatable.

Grossman is turnover prone and McNabb inaccurate.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 3:18 PM

McNabb had a bunch of turnovers this year, too. Most of Grossman's fumbles were caused by the offensive line, particularly Williams. But I wouldn't want Grossman as a starter. Nor, McNabb.


Go, into the season with A-Old Vet B-System QB, C- Future starter.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 8, 2011 3:14 PM

QBs whose qualification is "Old Vet" are not worth $16.25 million. Forget McNabb. He has nothing more to offer the Redskins unless we can trade him for something.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

If the rules go back to the way they were before the uncapped year which is expected then 4yrs of experience is enough to be an UFA.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 8, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

No, I think it went from 5 yr to 6 yr to be UFA.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 8, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

frediefritz

Woodley has only 4 yrs of experience, so won't he be an RFA. Is there any talk that PGH will release him?

Why would Lamar Woodley leave the stillers where the presence of James Harrison and Casey Hampton and Troy Polamalu account for much of his success?

Just askin'......

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Ka-ching! Mooo-lah! Franklins!

But I agree with you, Moe, he would be better off in Pgh, if they will pay him a reasonable amt. I was just responding to Diesel's comment that he would be available.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 8, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm agreeing with Moe, TWISI and Diesel, that OLB is probably our top priority. We need a dynamic pass-rusher opposite Po, so that opposition cannot target Po.

Flounder, Rocky and Los had to complete their 6th in 2010 to become UFA. It went up from 5 yr in 2010, when the cap was removed. The 4 yr of experience gets a player to be an RFA. I don't think we can part with any draft picks. So I'm all for finding a Hali or Hawk, but I doubt that Woodley would be unrestricted.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 8, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

frediefritz

I'm of a mind that guys like RobJax, Chris Wilson, Lo Alexander, Perry Riley, and Robert Henson should get the chance to show us what they got.

Add a vet and rook to replace Carter and McIntosh.

The two players who make the stillers' 3-4 work are Hampton/Polamalu: we have the safety (LL), so let's get the defensive linemen mix goin'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey, gang. I'm going to do live threads on the playoff games on The Early Lead. Hope you'll swing over there, too.

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 8, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

So, contrary to what you assert, the Redskins do have power here. That's what the new contract extension was about and what the meeting between Shanahan and the agent is about -- finding a win-win solution.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I disagree 95%. the redskins have some power. they could keep mcnabb until the day before training camp starts and then cut him. but they will never let him get to training camp.

Mcnabb will probably give back a little bit of change $0.5 of the $3.5 to get released in March, but i bet it won't be any more than that.

and to think differently is unwise.

example...Albert haynesworth

despite what everyone says the check haynesworth cash in April, was a favor to the redskins. he had guaranteed money in his contract that the redskins had to pay. instead of taking cap hits going forward they paid him it all at once in 2010 when there was no cap.

and when shanahan said you can have the money that we contractually owe you or you can become a FA...he took his money. that they agreed to pay him no matter what.

Posted by: BSAM63 | January 8, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

So, contrary to what you assert, the Redskins do have power here. That's what the new contract extension was about and what the meeting between Shanahan and the agent is about -- finding a win-win solution.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I disagree 95%. the redskins have some power. they could keep mcnabb until the day before training camp starts and then cut him. but they will never let him get to training camp.

Mcnabb will probably give back a little bit of change $0.5 of the $3.5 to get released in March, but i bet it won't be any more than that.

and to think differently is unwise.

example...Albert haynesworth

despite what everyone says the check haynesworth cash in April, was a favor to the redskins. he had guaranteed money in his contract that the redskins had to pay. instead of taking cap hits going forward they paid him it all at once in 2010 when there was no cap.

and when shanahan said you can have the money that we contractually owe you or you can become a FA...he took his money. that they agreed to pay him no matter what.

Posted by: BSAM63 | January 8, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

N-dudes rule:

Nnnnnamdhi Asomugha
Nnnnndamukong Suh
Halitosi Nnnnnnngota

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 8, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

CindyBoren

How do we know you are who you say you are?

You're askin' us to 'cheat' on RI and sneak around to another blog.

Why not kill the EARLY LEAD and take over RI so Mr. Reid @ company can have more time to make video no one watches?

RI needs some snarky insight, rabble rousin', po' gramma', accusatory, unfounded complaint, and politically incorrect leadership now that mistamoe has been banned as his posts drive down hits to this site.

The last thing he hit was the SUBMIT BUTTON.

See?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, Rocky and Los had to complete their 6th in 2010 to become UFA. It went up from 5 yr in 2010, when the cap was removed. The 4 yr of experience gets a player to be an RFA. I don't think we can part with any draft picks. So I'm all for finding a Hali or Hawk, but I doubt that Woodley would be unrestricted.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 8, 2011 3:42 PM |

Sorry but your wrong I do not post stuff up here without researching it first, it was 4yrs and if there had been a salary cap this year they both would have been UFA. It moved from 4 to 6 years

From John Clayton article:

No one expects the union to change its position on free agency. In a new deal, look for unrestricted free agency to return to four years of service. If so, 153 contracts will expire after the 2010 season. The list of players affected includes Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

Throw all of those things together and you have a list of potential 2011 free agents -- under normal unrestricted free-agent rules -- that might be around 400 or 500 players at the very least if the 2010 class of restricted free agents stick to one-year deals.

Link to the whole article.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4924109

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 8, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 3:57 PM |

Jesus are you ever clever.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 8, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Jesus are you ever clever.

RI: Let's see you get down off that cross now!

Jesus: I offer myself to make up for all the world's sins.

And there wouldn't be so many if Moe wasn't wrong so much.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I am who I say I am...the artist formerly known as TheCindy and Jasno's editor. See you over at the other spot -- you're not cheating on RI -- or not.

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 8, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 8, 2011 4:13 PM |

My God! Two ever clever posters (U & MistaMoe) on one RI thread! Who would have thought it possible!

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 8, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, I tried to flip over to the Early Lead using the link you so thoughtfully provided.
Then I tried to use the link up top under 'More from the Post'.

I have concluded that the 'Early Lead' does not actually exist.

Posted by: daggar | January 8, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 8, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

daggar--The Early Lead is by invitation only. She had to put up a fake link to fool the nitwits that show up from time to time like LittleGreenGag. Everyone who's supposed to know the link already knows it. You know it don't you? Never mind.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Grilliams starts with a 4-3 look, then drops into a 3-4 at the snap: that's what's clever.

The saints should win in a rout.

The giants--not the 'hawks--belong in the playoffs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Watch 73, Carl Nicks, the Pro Bowl right guard.

We should sign that cat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Watch 73, Carl Nicks, the Pro Bowl right guard.

We should sign that cat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 4:50 PM

No Pro Bowlers, please. My hope is that we only sign guys who have never been to a Pro Bowl but will go to several Pro Bowls as a Redskin. I'm so tired of signing Pro Bowlers for top dollar and getting bottom dollar performances out of them. It's way too risky.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 8, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The saints should win in a rout.


See, what had happened was.......

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

The play of the safeties is killing the Sanits defense. The Seahawks keep isolating them and they can't make plays.

Posted by: TWISI | January 8, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Watch 73, Carl Nicks, the Pro Bowl right guard.

We should sign that cat.

_____________________________________
You mean the Carl Nicks that got shoved 3 yds into the backfield on 4th and 1. The Saints OL looked like the Redskins on that play.

Posted by: lifelongfan | January 8, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

You mean the Carl Nicks that got shoved 3 yds into the backfield on 4th and 1. The Saints OL looked like the Redskins on that play.


You're blind.

The seahawk tackle undercut the saints' center and blocked the path of the pulling guard Nicks.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse

A former redskin we never mention is defensive end Chris Clemons.

Dude had, what, 11 sacks this year?

And all he ever did in D.C. is play teams.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Could be I never really saw a replay just saw him in the backfield due to Seattle penetration. With two probowl guards and two good tackles I was surprised that the Saints OL wasn't more dominant, limited running and good pressure on Brees. It does appear they are now starting to take over the LOS.

Posted by: lifelongfan | January 8, 2011 7:24 PM | Report abuse

With two probowl guards and two good tackles ...the Saints OL wasn't more dominant, limited running and good pressure on Brees.

It's a playoff game.

It's the NFL.

The 'hawks defense gets all kinds of props for hustle and intensity: the saints offense is massively hard to defend as they run like a million formations and plays.

The players on defense and offense today are too good for any unit to just simply dominant for the length of an entire game.

The saints should win this.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 8, 2011 7:31 PM | Report abuse

If the Saints win it will be a heck of a comeback. Surprised a Gregg Williams team is giving up 40pts in a playoff game.

Posted by: lifelongfan | January 8, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Shanawho?

We should have hired Pete Carroll

Posted by: p1funk | January 8, 2011 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Shanawho?

We should have hired Pete Carroll

Posted by: p1funk | January 8, 2011 8:14 PM | Report abuse

You would have said, we should have hire shannahan had the shoe been on the other foot. They didn't deserve to be in the playoffs, let alone have home field. Pete Carroll is lucky, they are still not at 500.

Posted by: rodskin | January 8, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

UM. Wouldn't say Campbell was "HORRIBLE" this year. He led the Raiders to their first 3 game win streak in the last 8 years.

His completion % was 60% and he threw 13 TDs and 8 INTs.

He started 8 games for the Raiders and Coach Jaw Bone Cable's decision to repeatedly go back to Gradkowski (despite Campbell having a winning record and Grad having a losing one), probably cost him his job.

Raiders finished 8 and 8.

They were 6 and ZERO in their division and finished off the year with Campbell at QB while they took the playoff bound KC Quiffs apart 31 - 10... IN Narrowhead stadium.

I'd say Campbell's year was a lot better than any of the Redskins,' except maybe MeHall.

Next year, his buddy Hue Jackson will probably be his head coach as well.

You should be more worried about Wrecks Nessman.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 7, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Dude, whats up with all the name changes. You have a habit of supporting all the players who used to play here, get over it, support your team or find another blog.

Posted by: rodskin | January 8, 2011 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Shanawho?

We should have hired Pete Carroll

Posted by: p1funk |
_______________________________

I don't necessarily agree that we should have hired Pete Carroll. But the point has to be made that he's a fired up guy and he's fired up about his team. Makes a difference when you have a coach that can teach, coach, AND motivate. - Sorry Monk but I had to say it

Posted by: BenThere | January 8, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Terrible pass by Sanchez. So glad we didn't trade up do get him. He's a below average QB at this point..

just ask Justin Tryon.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 8, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Justin Tryon with the goal line interception. Nice one.

Posted by: will_ga | January 8, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

BTW...I remember all of the howls of protest from RI, fans, and media when we traded Tryon for a conditional pick instead of cutting him...end sarcasm.

I just hope we get a good player with that 7th RD pick we received.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 8, 2011 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez showing why accuracy is so important. That's what worries me about guys like Locker and Mallet.Great arms but the ball doesn't go where they want it to a lot of the time. We've had enough bad throws this year we don't need more.

Posted by: will_ga | January 8, 2011 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Jason Reid will do a feature piece on Justin Tryon and his interception in the playoffs.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 8, 2011 9:47 PM | Report abuse

The good news for Gregggg Williams is that he's now free to interview for any vacancies.

The bad news is that his defense gave up 41 to possibly the worst team to ever qualify for the playoffs and he'll have some splaining to do.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 8, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Lol, H8.

...And how Tryon's agent was treated rudely in an Ashton rest room...

Seriously. III?!?? like we were going to confuse his highness with ANOTHER Fletcher N. Smith - oh that common household name?!1

The only question left is how this effects Leigh Torrence!

[btw, props to NBC playing TOTO for linemen!!]

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 8, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Right, D44?

Double G's D looked normal. All blitzing, no tackling...

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 8, 2011 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Adam Vinatieri just punched his ticket to the HOF.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 8, 2011 10:55 PM | Report abuse

and it comes down to a kicker's foot..

very fitting for Rex Ryan

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 8, 2011 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Damn, I wish we had Sanchez. Dude is a winner.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 8, 2011 11:06 PM | Report abuse

How can I lurk a blog that doesn't post? Gimme Something RI. C'mon man.

Posted by: WishboneJr | January 8, 2011 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I hope that Shanny Pays THE MOST OVER-RATED QB IN NFL HISTORY AND MAKES HIM SIT ON THE BENCH WHERE THAT BUM DESERVES TO BE unless the Redskins can TRADE HIM FOR A 2012 1STRD PICK(like a 2nd in 2011, never gonna happen tho) or even maybe deal fat al and "sleepy" Davis for a 3rd or 4th or 5th in 2011 and a 2nd and 3rd or 1st and 4th in 2012!

Posted by: warriorking111285 | January 9, 2011 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Kind of impressive watching the Jets O line dominate the Colts and basically blast them down the field.

I bet the Colts are looking for a couple of DT's that can handle that kind of power.

I find myself thinking that in the NFC East, that's the kind of O line you want. Speed, finesse and clever scheme are fun to draw up on the board, but there's something about being able to just tee it up and blast the guy in front of you off the line as you methodically pound the rock down the field on your way to a 10 minute TD drive that I find very appealing.

Posted by: edvar | January 9, 2011 12:36 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins will trade for picks next year and Andrew Luck WILL BE A REDSKIN IN 2012 BOOK IT! BORN IN DC AND WILL PLAY IN DC! The Redskins will take Mark Ingram in the 1st rd 2011(will trade back for a 1st or 2nd rd pick in 2012)! Michael Floyd in the 2nd rd in 2011(will trade back for a 1st or 2nd in 2012)! mcJoke will be traded for a pick in 2012(hoping a 1st in 2012 for this bum), fat al will be traded for a pick in 2012(hoping a 1st but might settle for a 2nd in 2012)! BOOK THIS ANDREW LUCK WAS THE ONLY QB DANNY AND SHANNY WANTED FOR THOSE THAT SAY Cam Newton LMAO LMAO ARE YOU JOKING? cam WILL BE THE NEXT JAMARCUS RUSSEL LMAO SOME PPL ARE VERY STUPID! LMAO LMAO CAM NEWTON LMAO HE COULDNT EVEN CARRY TEBOW'S JOCK IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL AND THE LMAO "SPREAD O" AND IT WILL BE THE SAME IN THE NFL IN A "PRO OFFENSE"

Posted by: warriorking111285 | January 9, 2011 1:02 AM | Report abuse

But despite the fact we were offering them Sleepy, Grumpy and Doc -- we soon discovered that all the Swedes really wanted was some sack time with Snow White.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 7, 2011 11:48 AM
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SJKing hilarious

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | January 9, 2011 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Damn, I wish we had Sanchez. Dude is a winner.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 8, 2011 11:06 PM | Report abuse


I mean this in the best possible way..

You're an idiot but, they're are slightly bigger idiots on this blog.

The JETS won because they invested in the OL and their OL won the game...They won despite of Sanchez.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 9, 2011 3:20 AM | Report abuse

My ph d. is in Chaos Theory.

POSTED BY MistaMoe

Well you sure picked the right blog to post on.

Posted by: TheCork | January 9, 2011 3:51 AM | Report abuse

The JETS won because they invested in the OL and their OL won the game...They won despite of Sanchez.

Posted by: Diesel44


Yeah. To me the most beautiful sight in football is a offensive line clicking and stuffing the ball down and opponent's throat.

Did you SEE the shot of Manning on the sideline during the 10-miniute drive? He couldn't even watch. He knew what was up. Because he is the smartest QB to ever run an offense, he almost pulled it off, but credit for the Jets win goes to the Big Uglies.

Posted by: TheCork | January 9, 2011 3:57 AM | Report abuse

UM. Wouldn't say Campbell was "HORRIBLE" this year. He led the Raiders to their first 3 game win streak in the last 8 years.

His completion % was 60% and he threw 13 TDs and 8 INTs.

He started 8 games for the Raiders and Coach Jaw Bone Cable's decision to repeatedly go back to Gradkowski (despite Campbell having a winning record and Grad having a losing one), probably cost him his job.

Raiders finished 8 and 8.

They were 6 and ZERO in their division and finished off the year with Campbell at QB while they took the playoff bound KC Quiffs apart 31 - 10... IN Narrowhead stadium.

I'd say Campbell's year was a lot better than any of the Redskins,' except maybe MeHall.

Next year, his buddy Hue Jackson will probably be his head coach as well.

You should be more worried about Wrecks Nessman.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 7, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Dude, whats up with all the name changes. You have a habit of supporting all the players who used to play here, get over it, support your team or find another blog.

Posted by: rodskin | January 8, 2011 8:53 PM |
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rodskin,

Shut up. I haven't changed names... EVER, you ding dong.

I DO NOT "support" "all" the players who used to play here. I'm just correcting some buffoon who claimed Jason Campbell had a "HORRIBLE" year.

I would assert that McNabb actually had a much more "HORRIBLE" year, and he is, after all, a player on "our team," you jackass.

If, by "support your team," you mean I should spend my waking hours under Snyder's desk gulping goo, I think we've got plenty of you know-nothing BS eaters for that. I'll be critical of what I want, when I want, about whom I want.

THAT is how I support my team. By calling a can of tuna a can of tuna and a pile of BS a pile of BS.

I like some of our new players. I like SOME aspects of Shanafraud, too. I just don't see him "doing it" in 5 years. He already went half-assed on this one.

Did we really need the worst defense in the league?

Did we really need McNabb?

Do we really have to go into next year with Rex Grossman at QB? For real? Please. No.

Ryan Torain solves nothing. He's hurt.

Portis, please, gone. I promise not to support him when he leaves. (I still like Rock Cartwright, though. Dude can ball and is cheap.)

Sellers? He was overrated and over emphasized the past 3 years.

Casey Rabach needs replaced.

Our safeties all suck. Landry is beast, but I'd prefer a guy who can cover AND tackle. Hold the posing. I'm a bit sour on him since he was hurt.

Devin Thomas: Can Play. Don't know if anyone can make him want to, though. I'm fine with him gone, but it's much easier to swallow with Joey Galloway on the bench. Galloway should have been out the door first.

Armstrong. Nice gem. Scares nobody.

Santana Moss? A number 2 receiver. Always has been. I like him a lot, but he's been holding the offense back for a few years. We need a big WR with speed, ASAP.

So, up yours.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 9, 2011 4:12 AM | Report abuse

Damn, I wish we had Sanchez. Dude is a winner.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 8, 2011 11:06 PM | Report abuse


I mean this in the best possible way..

You're an idiot but, ...

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 9, 2011 3:20 AM |

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Thank you.

It reminds me of the "Jason Campbell is the problem" mentality.

O Line, O Line, and more O Line...

They don't sell many jerseys though, do they?

How anybody can look at that Jets game and determine that Manning is "a loser" and Sanchez "a winner" is painful to fathom.

They just ran the ball down their throats the whole second half. Sanchez made a couple nice throws, aided by some pretty lucky grabs.

And I think I'm with Manning: Why were the Colts calling timeouts for the Jets with a minute left in the game?

Indy's defensive weakness costs Manning another ring. They've got 2 good D Ends and cant stop the run when it counts. Rinse. Repeat.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 9, 2011 4:21 AM | Report abuse

Indy's defensive weakness costs Manning another ring. They've got 2 good D Ends and cant stop the run when it counts
Thinker_
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Yeah, the defense wasn't great, but New Orleans' defense is awwwful.

The Colts' problem is simple-they have a small bodied defense that will always need replenishing with new players once the current ones start breaking down.

Take for example, Bob Sanders. Sanders is a very good safety WHEN he's on the field. Problem is, he's been injured for the better part of the last 4-5 years. So, instead of jettisoning him years ago like the Patriots would have, the Colts unwisely keep waiting on this guy. Sanders is tough but, so what, at 5'8, 200-odd lbs, his smallish body just can't take the pounding. Same with Dwight Freeney. He's good, but small for his position, so he stays dinged. Same for Gary Brackens at MLB.

The Colts, if they are going to continue to have a small bodied, quick defense have to be willing to let players go once they start getting brittle.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 9, 2011 5:14 AM | Report abuse

Indy's defensive weakness costs Manning another ring. They've got 2 good D Ends and cant stop the run when it counts. Rinse. Repeat.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 9, 2011 4:21 AM

Another ring? One playoff game, maybe, but if they'd won last night they would have lost next week. They looked ordinary on both sides of the ball. They only scored 16 points last night.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 9, 2011 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Jason Reid will do a feature piece on Justin Tryon and his interception in the playoffs.

Well, that's one more playoff interception this year than Carlos Rogers, somebody named Philip Buchanan, Kevin Barnes, DeAngelo Hall, Byron Westbrook, LaRon Landry, Kareem Moore, Chris Horton, Kevin Barnes, Reed Dougty, and Macho Harris.

Which is a god thing, ironically.

'Cuz you'd think it and other issue factor into the type of late round draft pick (6 or 7) we'll receive for the Tryon trade.

Otherwise, with the colts out of the playoffs, the pick means nothing.

The interception I mean.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Armchair

Yeah, the defense wasn't great, but New Orleans' defense is awwwful.


That's an understatement.

Grilliams' defense got a lil exposed--the 'hawks attacked the d-ends and safeties.

WHO DAT? became WTF?

Marshawn Lynched the saints in a run for the ages.

Matt Hassleback played like, well, Matt Hassleback,the used to be Pro Bowl quarterback.

He threw about 5 dynamite passes yesterday--the lob pass to a player running out of a bunch set for a long gain the best.

And here we thought he was done.

It looks like Hassleback--a 12 year vet, mind you-- might have some lightning left in the bottle of his career as an NFL quarterback.

Which brings into the conversation a certain NFL quarterback (#5) who used to start for the Washington Redskins.

You can kick him to the curb all you want.

But a guy like McNabb too probably has a few stunner moments left in him.

Thing is, he won't be a redskin when they happen.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Tryon came up short at the end on the pass to Edwards that set up the winning field goal. Tryon stood three feet away and watched Edwards jump up and catch the ball, although it looked like Edwards pushed off. The interception shows why he has a future in the league but the completion to Edwards shows why he doesn't have a future as a starter.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 9, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

The interception shows why he has a future in the league but the completion to Edwards shows why he doesn't have a future as a starter.


I'd sign up to be a 3rd/4th cornerback, special teamer in the NFL as would most of the guys in here who played a little D-1A, D-2, D-3 college football.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

...little D-1A, D-2, D-3 college football.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 8:27 AM


That's what Tryon plays, but in the NFL: little football.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 9, 2011 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I wish we had Sanchez. Dude is a winner.

Mark Sanchez is so-so to me.

He'd have to show he can win without the o-line and playmaker support the jet have before I elevate him.

The Manning excels in a offense replete with injuries.

You put Sanchez in a system without Green, Tomlinson, Mangold, Ferguson, Cotchery, Edwards, Holmes, and Keller you have Jason Campbell, IMO.

And we all know how much JC was loved...especially after he arrived at the airport to leave for good.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Peyton "three and out" Manning hung 16 on the Jets yesterday.
If your defense gives up 17 and you have him as your QB, you should win 9 times out of 10. Their defense gave up two long drives that ended in TDs; their offense settled for 3FGs to finish each of their long drives.
I think the difference was Manning missing his first tier receivers. No Clark, no Collie, Wayne taken away be Revis...

Can the Jets beat the Pats? If they were given an allotment of luck, they've burned through it at this point. If they're a 'team of destiny', then sure, they can.

Posted by: daggar | January 9, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Their defense gave up two long drives that ended in TDs;

Posted by: daggar | January 9, 2011 9:34 AM

To me, the shocking defensive lapse was the pass to Edwards at the end that set up the winning field goal. That play should never have happened, because the announcers called it. They said "I think the Jets will throw to Edwards" right before Sanchez threw to Edwards.

My belief is that the announcers are ALWAYS wrong when they predict a play for two reasons:

1. If it's that obvious, the defense will take the play away.
2. If it's that obvious, the offense won't call it.

I still can't figure out why the Colts didn't give Tryon safety help on that play. Tryon can't cover Edwards one-on-one, nine times out of ten and the tenth time would be an Edwards stumble. Total mismatch that made the guys in the booth look good and the Colts look like Foals.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 9, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I found this on walterfootball.com. It's a scout look at Luck and Locker from the Stanford-Washington game this past season. Here's the link.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutsnotebook101104.php

I'll post the Locker comments. The scout has some interesting comments on Luck, so I encourage you to check the full text out.

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Jake Locker

1st - 12:46 - Nice run by Locker ... good burst and acceleration ... nice toughness in taking a beating and lowering shoulder

1st - 8:30 - Outstanding throw on run with pressure and hit ... ball is kind of low, but WR doesn't make a play here - hits him in the hands.

1st - 7:38 - Nice dropback and quick footwork ... Horrendous blocking by offensive line ... right guard gets beat easily and not much Locker could do - all his WRs were covered. Fumble and recovers ... nice awareness to jump on ball.

1st - 3:34 - No receivers open ... eats ball and takes sack. Nothing Locker could do here.

1st - 3:04 - Absolutely no time to get throw off ... Offensive line is getting killed.

2nd - 14:49 - Terrific mobility in the pocket ... great job seeing the field and finding the open man - great vision ... very nice throw and picks up first down.

2nd - 13:48 - Great job eluding pass rusher ... throwing on the run ... receiver completely covered and Locker throws ball in ground ... not a very well thrown ball, but Locker was under durress and this was an extremely difficult throw to make

2nd - 13:43 - Slot receiver runs wrong route ... looks like an inaccurate throw from Locker, but slot was supposed to run slant.

2nd - 8:00 - Bad incompletion here ... ball not even close on slant (slipped in hand from rain?)

2nd - 7:55 - Ball high, but receiver wasn't open at all on post ... could have been a throwaway

2nd - 4:50 - Offensive line not giving Locker enough time to operate in pocket to go through progression reads

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

cont.......

3rd - 10:50 - #15 quits on slant route ... nice throw by Locker, but because 15 quit on the route, it is an interception. Plays like this make me sick, because Locker is perceived badly when it's his teammates fault and nobody points this out.

4th - 13:18 - Very little room in pocket to operate ... mediocre footwork by Locker, but under pressure ... overthrows receiver for INT ... Locker had to try to make a play down 38-0 in the 4th quarter

Summary: This game was not nearly as bad as I expected as I saw on Twitter how much hate Locker got. Bottom line is he plays on a terrible team, his offensive line doesn't give him time, his receivers don't ever make plays on the ball, and his defense flat out sucks.

Locker is tough, he's a good leader (never quit on his team; kept competing), and he is a very efficient quarterback when you watch the tape. He makes plays in the passing game when he can. His first interception was his receiver's fault; while his second interception is on him, but you can also make the case he was down 38-0 and desperate to make a play. A couple of his throws were off, but that's the case for any quarterback in any game.

I continue to not understand why Locker gets so much hate. He's still my No. 1 quarterback, and if he slips out of the top three picks, some team is getting an absolute steal.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Twis,

Locker is a good QB who gets a bad wrap for going back to school, but he had no help this year at all there team sucked in the o-line and at WR.

I think he will be a good pick and I'm 90% sure we will take him at 10 if he is not already gone.

Shanny liked him last year!

Don't strat getting on me about taking a QB I'm not saying I agree with it or not just that it will probably happen.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

NO's defense looked a little sluggish yesterday, and Greggy himself looked the same. He must be enjoying the jambalaya and po-boys down there a little too much. Looking a little Rex Ryanish.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 9, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

He's on IR...but what do we do with Chris Horton?

Posted by: rickyroge | January 9, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm surprised Caldwell is not getting hammered for that insane timeout he took last night with only 28 seconds left to give the Jets a chance to setup that pass.

The Jets had two choices use there last timeout there and go for a 50 yard FG, or rush a play and then call timeout and kick a FG.

Caldwell gave them a timeout they setup a good play hit it and then used there timeout to kick FG, bonehead move by the coach and he should get the same scrutiny as any other coach.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Don't strat getting on me about taking a QB I'm not saying I agree with it or not just that it will probably happen.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I won't. IMO, I'd like too see a DE or OLB with that pick, but I also believe that if Locker is there at #10, he'll be the pick. Shanny will believe he can correct any of the failing Locker has, just like he thought he could do with McNabb. I think the Browns at #6 is a possible trade up partner if qb is the direction the Shanny's go, and they want to make sure they get their guy.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

He's on IR...but what do we do with Chris Horton?

Posted by: rickyroge | January 9, 2011 11:28 AM

Trade him for a Tryon type deal, or cut him. This team has a bunch of SS.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

poop

Posted by: ralph_melish | January 9, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

poop

Posted by: ralph_melish | January 9, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Did someone say poop?

Posted by: ralph_melish | January 9, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

nfl playoffs = farce

an nfl team should not be rewarded if they have a losing record

give me a break here.

too many teams shrinks the talent pool and waters down football to being with. money also dictates too many playoff teams. the saints finished 11-6 and had to visit a 7-9 team with a losing record, while the bucs and giants sit at home with winning records at 10-6.

yet some folks will say they love an underdog, as do I, but an underdog that earned it's way into the playoffs. lets hope the rule changers can figure this one out, as they seem to change the rules now left and right, which ever way the wind blows

Posted by: hessone | January 9, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Uh-oh.

Posted by: edvar | January 9, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Did someone mention me?

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 9, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys!

I think Jake Lockers stock will go up after the combine and that there are already too many teams selecting in the top 10 picks that need a QB.

I hope the skins keep both of their top two picks and select the best player available in the draft (this could address two starting positions in the upcoming season). If there was a way to trade down and gain additional picks in the 2nd, 3rd and or 4th rounds I would do that also.

Someone mentioned trading up with the Browns in the first round. We don't have any picks to give up??

What is the story with John Beck? He's a fairly young guy who was thrown to the wolves as a Rookie and most times 1st year QBs get hammered.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Guess who's back in the mother fockin house, with a fat d1ck for fargo1's stupid mouth.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 9, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Let me be the first to say NO to Asomugha and to Champ Bailey.

Nnamdi Asomugha contract voided
Adam Schefter ESPN
January 9, 2011

Pro Bowl cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha's contract voided and he will be allowed to become a free agent without the Oakland Raiders being able to use their franchise tag on him, according to an NFL Players Association document.

Asomugha?s deal included a little-known clause that said his contract would void if he didn?t achieve his not-likely-to-be-earned incentives in 2010 -- and he didn'?t.

His contract also contained a stipulation that if he didn?t achieve his incentives, the Raiders would agree not to designate him their franchise or transition player.

To achieve his incentives, Asomugha had to play in a greater number of defensive plays in 2010 than he did in 2009, and this season Asomugha played in only 14 games whereas he played in all 16 in 2009.

He also could have achieved his incentives by improving upon on his interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season -- but he didn't have any interceptions, fumble recoveries or sacks this season

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 9, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

What is the story with John Beck? He's a fairly young guy who was thrown to the wolves as a Rookie and most times 1st year QBs get hammered.
Posted by: flyinggoose1

I thought Shanny said he was going to play him in the last game. Would have been nice to see what he has, or doesn't have. Something tells me he is going to be a career clipboard holder.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 9, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

too many teams shrinks the talent pool and waters down football to being with. money also dictates too many playoff teams. the saints finished 11-6 and had to visit a 7-9 team with a losing record, while the bucs and giants sit at home with winning records at 10-6.

yet some folks will say they love an underdog, as do I, but an underdog that earned it's way into the playoffs. lets hope the rule changers can figure this one out, as they seem to change the rules now left and right, which ever way the wind blows

Posted by: hessone | January 9, 2011 11:59 AM |

Whats that have to do with giving up over 40 points to the pathetic Seahawks.

If the Saints were that good they should have won, no excuses those are the rules.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I wish Shanahan would have the foresight to not diminish a player's trade value to absolutely nothing before deciding he wanted to get rid of him.

Posted by: eternale5150 | January 9, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

The Saints defense looked a little "Old" and the offensive line for the Seahawks (w/Okung) played really good.

I liked Seattle's defense with earl thomas and Clements with young linebackers. Unfortunately New Orleans didn't have their leading rusher and it showed.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

How many oil lamps do you think could be made from the blubber inside Fat Al?

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 9, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

twisi

but I also believe that if Locker is there at #10, he'll be the pick.


Agreed.

I think Shanny will see Locker as some other version of Plummer/Elway, and decide to build around him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Shanahan mentioned a young Donavon McNabb in the draft? Would this be referenced to Cam Newton?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Hola...NFL thread is alive. I could use some comfort, given that the Chiefs, um, are not playing well. Bye.

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 9, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

New Orleans didn't have their leading rusher and it showed.

I'd like to see a large, bruising type back in the offense to go with Thomas.

R Bush is just not all that as a running back.

What he offers--speed, versitility-- can be accomplished by other players that saints have.

You wonder if he'll be one of those unexpected 'cut' guys next month.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Our offensive line I thought played pretty good agains't the Giants (fighting for the playoffs)....do you think the line needs more than one new player to keep it adequate? I was really surprised how well it performed in the last few games.

It would be nice to draft a high end interior lineman or see where Cook and/or Capers to see their progress.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Love the Chief's overall team speed. That's fun to watch.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

twisi

Love the Chief's overall team speed. That's fun to watch.

Even if they lose today, the chiefs have a great future.

Their rebuild is based on a couple of smart FA moves (Cassel, Lilja) and great young drafted players (Berry, Albert, Johnson, Ali, Moeki, McCluster, Charles).

Dorsey has been their only draftee who's not lived up to snuff, but he is a solid interior d-lineman.

Their guard B Waters is one of the best offensive linemen no one talks about.

Scott Pioli has down a great job rebuilding this team.

The Chiefs will be good for a few years.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

goose

....do you think the line needs more than one new player to keep it adequate?


We have a young line as three of the 5 players are essentially new to starting: Williams, Litchenstieger, Montgomery.

I'm not arguing that they are the best, but given their youth, a young center (replace Rabach) and guard would be nice.

The team has to really decide of J Brown is viable given his injury history, so you hope another right tackle is there in case they choose to go in another direction.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Guess who's back in the mother fockin house, with a fat d1ck for fargo1's stupid mouth.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 9, 2011 12:18 PM

So what are you trying to say? You're looking for a homosexual adventure? You're too late. We used to have a guy up here, PoopyMcPoop, who would take on all comers, but he's been gone for a while.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 9, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

That poopy guys is still probably here somwhere.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 9, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

That poopy guys is still probably here somwhere.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 9, 2011 2:14 PM

Not a chance. Barno1 got him banned for life. He can't even post on any of the Post's diarrhea blogs.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 9, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Chiefs, Bucs, Rams - even the Lions and Raiders look like they're headed in the right direction. They all look to have brighter futures than the Skins. Which team will turn it around faster - Panthers, Bills, Browns or Skins? Probably the Browns.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 9, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

coparker5

Which team will turn it around faster - Panthers, Bills, Browns or Skins? Probably the Browns.


I have to agree.

They are the only team you've listed with a settled quarterback situation.

The browns ignored the scouts, took Colt McCoy (scouts claimed he had a weak arm), and lucked into a 3rd rounder who can play the position.

The issue they have is being in the AFC North with the stillers, ravens.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Flacco is elite.

I don't care what anybody says.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Flacco is elite.

I don't care what anybody says.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 2:51 PM

Brownwood will be here tomorrow morning. Be sure to post this again for him. He'll break out in hives.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 9, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

coparker5

Which team will turn it around faster - Panthers, Bills, Browns or Skins? Probably the Browns.


I have to agree.

They are the only team you've listed with a settled quarterback situation.

The browns ignored the scouts, took Colt McCoy (scouts claimed he had a weak arm), and lucked into a 3rd rounder who can play the position.

The issue they have is being in the AFC North with the stillers, ravens.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

That's why getting a qb of the future is so important for the Skins. Every year of production from that position like this year, is another year in delay of turning things around.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Campbell was HORRIBLE for the Raiders.
HORRIBLE!

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 7, 2011 3:28 PM |


Campbell was better for the Raiders than McNabb was for the Redskins. Benched for Gradkowski? Yeah, but bot benched twice for Grossman.

Plus if the 'skins had kept campbell they'd have a couple of nice draft picks back, not to mention Shanahan's reputation.

Was McNabb HORRIBLE (all caps) Nope.

But only a ninny would say McNabb ws HORRIBLE (all caps),and only a ninny would claim Campbell was HORRIBLE (all caps).

Posted by: TheCork | January 9, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Flacco is elite.

I don't care what anybody says.

Posted by: MistaMoe

A little Premature Exclamation.

Brady, P. Manning, and Vick were "elite" this year. But Flacco's right there with Rogers and Rivers at almost ready for Elite status.

Posted by: TheCork | January 9, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

hat poopy guys is still probably here somwhere.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 9, 2011 2:14 PM

Not a chance. Barno1 got him banned for life. He can't even post on any of the Post's diarrhea blogs.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 9, 2011 2:19 PM
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RE: Barno- I don't mind Barno but I still get a chuckle that PoopyMcPoop created a handle after his dog that passed away....DixontheDog.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 7, 2011 7:28 PM
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See what's happened here, beep-beep?

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 9, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Flacco is elite....I don't care what anybody says.


The scoring drive at the end of the 2nd quarter occured because Flacco made plays with his legs in the face of a strong rush.

In other words, he took the offense on his back and got points: that is what elites do.

Vick, Manning, and Brady featured better numbers this year because they are in passing offenses.

The ravens have Ray Rice and a splendid running game.

So maybe Flacco doesn't have to make 42 throws a game like Manning averaged this year because they can ground n pound.

But the throws he makes are precise, pretty, and on target.

And he, a 3rd year player, manages the offense without turnovers and flub-ups in a way that could school 8 year vet Rex Grossman.

Dude is good.

Very good.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep

Brownwood will be here tomorrow morning. Be sure to post this again for him. He'll break out in hives.

The antitdote for those hives will be me re-posting all that defense he had for McNabb in Sept./Oct./Nov. that he ran away from once McNabb got benched.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: hessone | January 9, 2011 11:59 AM |

Whats that have to do with giving up over 40 points to the pathetic Seahawks.

If the Saints were that good they should have won, no excuses those are the rules.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. I don't like a 7-9 team getting in either, but them's the rules. Saints D got exposed.

And yes, Flacco looks very good, but the reason the Ravens won this game is their Defense. Among our many needs, I now think we should take the best available defender in the draft. A good D can make up for a lot of deficiencies on the other side of the ball.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 9, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

If AJ Green was available at the 10th pick, would you:

A. Jump up and down, do a little jig and then quickly draft him
B. Pause and think it's probably a red flag that he slid and take the best available defender/O-lineman/QB
C. Use your time allotment waiting patiently by the phone for the Raiders to call?

Me: C...if no call comes, B. I still think trading down is the best option if we can find a partner. We need picks!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 9, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

lmg

Sorry but the best defender in the draft will be long gone by 10.

I think 4 dlineman and 4 qbs will be drafted before we go this yr.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 9, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

LMG- if Green was there at 10? You draft him, unless some team wants to trade up to #10 to get him. IMO- he'll be off the board by the 3rd pick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 9, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

goose

....do you think the line needs more than one new player to keep it adequate?

I think if we can improve on just 1 of 3 interior positions either through the draft or free agency then that will go a long way. We need to keep the pocket from collapsing for just a bit longer. I think Mike Williams if healthy will be playing Right Guard and he will maul people. Shanahan was very high on him. Upgrade the center position and the line should be fine for next season.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Diesel

How would you feel about

Pouncey round 1 then Von Miller rnd 2

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 9, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

...but the reason the Ravens won this game is their Defense.

Any offense that commits 5 turnovers, 2 within field goal range makes defense easy.

Doesn't it?

C'mon, give the ravens' offense credit.

They had more than a couple of 11-13 play time consuming drives: that's the best defense there is.

The held onto the ball.

Heap caught a ton of balls.

Flacco played with poise.

Rice made some nice plays, too.

Oher kept Ali in check.

Next week, the ravens will face a much better team as the chiefs weren't really on the same level.

Ravens v. Stillers: the Pennsylvania boy in me will take the Stillers.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Sorry but the best defender in the draft will be long gone by 10.


There are A LOT of good defenders in this draft and we have more than just the number 10 pick.

I'm just sayin......

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been right in months, so I like the Packers here.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Diesel

How would you feel about

Pouncey round 1 then Von Miller rnd 2

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 9, 2011 4:33 PM

I'd feel that #10 is too high for a C and Von Miller will be off the board by #20.

Other then that...I'd take it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 9, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry but the best defender in the draft will be long gone by 10.

There are A LOT of good defenders in this draft and we have more than just the number 10 pick.

I'm just sayin......

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

thank you Moe, I was about to say- I wrote "best AVAILABLE defender".

p.s. brandon- I love Pouncey in round 1, Von Miller in Round 2. too bad both will go in the 1st rd

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 9, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

We could also do a LOT worse than Cameron Hayward in Round One. Dude is a beast.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 9, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

If AJ Green was available at the 10th pick, would you:

A. Jump up and down, do a little jig and then quickly draft him
B. Pause and think it's probably a red flag that he slid and take the best available defender/O-lineman/QB
C. Use your time allotment waiting patiently by the phone for the Raiders to call?

Me: C...if no call comes, B. I still think trading down is the best option if we can find a partner. We need picks!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 9, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I would select (B) and go for the best defensive Linebacker or free safety available. Skins have had no luck selecting wide receivers in previous drafts....kind of like a curse on this franchise.

For option (C) the raiders will not move up and they have already given up enough picks in this upcoming draft(Pats).

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

.....something to think about as FA approaches:


Dealing with these two men (AH_DM5) fairly impacts future free agent signings. Players talk leaguewide. If Washington no longer is the place to get paid, then it must be a place where players can win titles and be treated well. Until he wins here, Shanahan's reputation on player treatment will be judged largely by what happens with McNabb and Haynesworth.


Rick Snider, Washington Examiner, 1.5.11

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

sounds good to me. Gimme Von Miller and a shot of bourbon!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 9, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Sorry but the best defender in the draft will be long gone by 10.

There are A LOT of good defenders in this draft and we have more than just the number 10 pick.

I'm just sayin......

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

thank you Moe, I was about to say- I wrote "best AVAILABLE defender".

p.s. brandon- I love Pouncey in round 1, Von Miller in Round 2. too bad both will go in the 1st rd

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 9, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Man it would be really nice if the Skins could get back into Rounds 3 and 4. I think we could pickup a really nice defensive player in this deep draft.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

that's why I'd really work on trading the 10th pick. absent a cornerstone/franchise player (i.e., Luck), quantity is vital in this draft since our needs are varied and as you mention it seems to be a pretty deep draft class. taking the highest defender on the board would be a solid draft strategy, but I'm hopeful we can move back and pick up either an additional 2nd or a 3rd/4th.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 9, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

notorious

We could also do a LOT worse than Cameron Hayward in Round One. Dude is a beast.


Heyward satisfies a need that can't be dealt with in FA.

A right de-end who can play tackle or a tackle who can play nose guard are pressing needs.

Vonnie Holliday (ancient) and A Bryant (29) are nice fill-ins, but they are older players, so getting some athletic youth in our defensive linemen is a priority.

Guys like J Powe, M Dareus, Clayburn are also on my radar.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

We were 2-1 against the teams playing in today's wild card game. Am I suggesting we're a playoff team? Lord no. But the cupboard may not be as empty as many think. Yes, we have some major questions marks, none bigger than who will be our future field general. But I don't think a playoff run this year is out of the question. See- Kansas City, Seattle, etc

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 9, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

sounds good to me. Gimme Von Miller and a shot of bourbon!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 9, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

How about Ryan Kerrigan? Can you imagine someone playing opposite ( Miller or Kerrigan) of Orakapo, now that would help out the defense. Then we would have to improve our free safety play....is there a poor man's version of Earl Thomas out there?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I pooped my pants.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 9, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Moe- is Tony Bryant that old? He's only been in the league 4 yrs tho...hopefully a decent amount of tire still on the tread but I hear what you're saying.

Last thougth before I sign off and enjoy this NFC Wildcard slobberknocker: of the top 10 team this year in points scored, 5 made the playoffs. Of the top 10 teams in points allowed, 8 made the playoffs. A prolific O is good; a dominant D is essential.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 9, 2011 5:12 PM | Report abuse

A. Bryant sure played great agains't the Giants. In my book the nose tackle position is filled.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Dealing with these two men (AH_DM5) fairly impacts future free agent signings. Players talk leaguewide. If Washington no longer is the place to get paid, then it must be a place where players can win titles and be treated well. Until he wins here, Shanahan's reputation on player treatment will be judged largely by what happens with McNabb and Haynesworth.


Rick Snider, Washington Examiner, 1.5.11

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 4:55 PM

Rick Snider is less credible than Tracee Hamilton. He probably doesn't even know that Mike Shanahan has been a head coach in the NFL for 16 years. Players know what to expect from him. And, personally, I think the way he handled Haynesworth and McNabb will make the Redskins more attractive to free agents, not less.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 9, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

pooped my pants.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 9, 2011 5:11 PM |

Is that you McPoop? Did you get my little lesson on how to beat the WaPo censors and change your IP the other day?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I pooped my pants.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 9, 2011 5:11 PM

The Eagles are pooping their nest. Too bad.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 9, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Dealing with these two men (AH_DM5) fairly impacts future free agent signings. Players talk leaguewide. If Washington no longer is the place to get paid, then it must be a place where players can win titles and be treated well. Until he wins here, Shanahan's reputation on player treatment will be judged largely by what happens with McNabb and Haynesworth.


Rick Snider, Washington Examiner, 1.5.11

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 4:55 PM

Rick Snider is less credible than Tracee Hamilton. He probably doesn't even know that Mike Shanahan has been a head coach in the NFL for 16 years. Players know what to expect from him. And, personally, I think the way he handled Haynesworth and McNabb will make the Redskins more attractive to free agents, not less.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 9, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I kind of agree the team did not give up toward the end of the season when there was nothing left to play for. Shanahan is not responsible for signing AH and AH would have never been a Redskin if Allen/Shanahan were in charge a year earlier. As for handling DM...how do you handle a situation where the starting QB is playing below subpar level?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Kinda funny scamp, i had typed "how to change ip address" into the google around the same time i was pulling up this RI post.

Censorship is a cancer and a certain "banning" poster can take a hike.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 9, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

DON'T BLOW THIS GAME PACKERS.

EVERYTHING IS GOING ACCORDING TO PLAN.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 9, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

James Jones, slowly costing himself $$ in the FA market.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Finally read the article "Ditch the Racist Name", by Milloy.

Wow! That dude is a serious tool.

He really needs to lighten up, maybe have a drink and get laid.

Jeez.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 9, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

A. Bryant sure played great agains't the Giants. In my book the nose tackle position is filled.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 5:17 PM

Bryant looked pretty good for a few games as compared to Kemo, who looked like crap. I don't remember Bryant getting much push up the middle, but I do recall him holding his ground well.

I think we need to keep looking for a great NT. One who can make some plays in addition to holding the point. Bryant looked like an ok starter, and great depth - and you need two of those big space eating NT's because they were down over long games and long seasons.

Nothing against Bryant.

Posted by: edvar | January 9, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse


Finally read the article "Ditch the Racist Name", by Milloy.

Wow! That dude is a serious tool.

He really needs to lighten up, maybe have a drink and get laid.

Jeez.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 9, 2011 6:25 PM |

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yes indeed

Posted by: hessone | January 9, 2011 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Milloy should just poop his pants. Bet that'll work.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 9, 2011 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Kinda funny scamp, i had typed "how to change ip address" into the google around the same time i was pulling up this RI post.

Censorship is a cancer and a certain "banning" poster can take a hike.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 9, 2011 5:40 PM

Yea, the little pricks got me too. Didn't last long until I figured out the tricks. Glad to have you back...although I'm sure some self righteous basterd doesn't agree.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2011 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I kind of agree the team did not give up toward the end of the season when there was nothing left to play for...

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 5:36 PM

Is this what passes for progess now? How low are our expectations...

Posted by: Alan4 | January 9, 2011 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I kind of agree the team did not give up toward the end of the season when there was nothing left to play for...

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 5:36 PM

Is this what passes for progess now? How low are our expectations...


Posted by: Alan4 | January 9, 2011 7:31 PM |

Did you watch this team last year? I'd say it's progress. These fools gave up after game 6 last year. They were looking for the out door and vacation.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2011 7:35 PM | Report abuse

ANOTHER heartbreaking loss by Philly IN Philly!


It never gets old....

Posted by: edvar | January 9, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

F the Eagles
F their fans
F Vick

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 9, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

F the Eagles
F their fans
F Vick

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 9, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Could not have said it better myself. Schadenfreude- not as good as Skins victory, but it will do for now.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 9, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Phew!!!! THAT was close!!!!

Yes, F the right wing nuts who call for people to be executed over dog fighting and immigration stance!

Posted by: dealer1 | January 9, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Eagles lose! Love it.

Akers missing 2 field goals that would have tied the game...hmmmm.

That seems familiar to me, except it's funny now.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 9, 2011 7:55 PM | Report abuse

dealer- sorry your team and favorite player lost today..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 9, 2011 7:56 PM | Report abuse

dealer- sorry your team and favorite player lost today..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 9, 2011 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I call Vick's late int karma.

As a Redskins fan and a dog lover, I am pleased.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 9, 2011 8:01 PM | Report abuse

A. Bryant sure played great agains't the Giants. In my book the nose tackle position is filled.


So if he is injured he is replaced by.....?

We play a 3-4.

You must have a starting NT and someone to spell him or replace in the event of injury.

Look at the work BJ Raji or Casey Hampton or Vince Wilfork or Kelly Gregg does and you'll appreciate how a strong NT keeps inside linebackers free to make plays.

Even with Bryant and Golston, I still say there's a need for a defensive tackle who can play the nose, and another more athletic tackle who can play end.

That's two defensive linemen in a draft with defensive linemen of all stripes.

Again: Ours is a team that not only spent ten years not maintaining the offensive line, it also failed to keep the defensive front as well.

Let's take from the draft what it offers this time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2011 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Phew!!!! THAT was close!!!!

Yes, F the right wing nuts who call for people to be executed over dog fighting and immigration stance!

Posted by: dealer1 | January 9, 2011 7:54 PM

Interesting post. Not sure what it has to do with anything but pretty stupid nonetheless. Personally I'm not for killing anybody but I'd rather see a dog killer put down than an unborn child but hey, what's that got to do with anything either?

(...hook)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2011 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Quick, someone tell UMD that the Duke game was scheduled to start @ 8:00.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 9, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

BJ Raji is a defensive end that plays nose tackle. The Redskins need a bona fide nose tackle. Maybe Kemoeatu gets better in the offseason, building up that leg strength some more and maybe A. Bryant continues to develop, but I wouldn't build the future on maybes. If a decent nose tackle becomes available in free agency or the draft, I think they have to take him - no more of this square peg - round hole nonsense.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 9, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't build the future on maybes. If a decent nose tackle becomes available in free agency or the draft, I think they have to take him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 9, 2011 8:39 PM |

If you wouldn't build the future on maybes then you need to invest in government bonds and stop following the NFL. The draft is nothing but maybes, and free agency is itself a crap shoot -- sometimes you get a London Fletcher and sometimes you get a Jason Taylor. No sure things in the NFL.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 9, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I kind of agree the team did not give up toward the end of the season when there was nothing left to play for...

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 5:36 PM

But dude - there was, at least for many currently on the team. In the case of some it was a job and in the case of others a chance to move up the depth chart. Some didn't give a shti but by the end of the season they had been branded as such and weren't playing or playing very little and they will be gonzo next yr for sure.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 9, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

f a decent nose tackle becomes available in free agency or the draft, I think they have to take him - no more of this square peg - round hole nonsense.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 9, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Then Paul Soliai could very well be that guy. Personally, I'm hoping that Alameda Ta'amu (DT) from Washington declares for the draft. He should be a decent pick in round 5 or 6.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Wild card weekend were a good set of games. Of particular note for Skins fans were the play of Just Try and Ant Dix. If memory serves, both toiled in the lower depths of the Skins' D depth chart and then one day you looked up and they was gonzo. Now look at where them two are. They both started for teams with better D's than the Skins, teams that was in the playoffs for Crissakes. Try had an intercept against the Jets. Christ Almighty, it just makes you wonder, don't it?

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 9, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I probly woulda been depressed for days had the iggles won this game and the SB. I was 100% sure it was "written". And woulda been depressed cuz I Dinn do nothing like bet at least a 100.

Deez. My boy has always been Brady like jordan. My team is the skins though I "throw up in my mouth" to think that I root for the same team as people like scamp.

Go garyland!

Posted by: dealer1 | January 9, 2011 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Deez. My boy has always been Brady like jordan. My team is the skins though I "throw up in my mouth" to think that I root for the same team as people like scamp.

Go garyland!

Posted by: dealer1 | January 9, 2011 9:12 PM |

...and that makes me feel great cuz you're a giant d0uche and should be euthanized. You're not worthy of this team...(and we're 7-9.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

BJ Raji is a defensive end that plays nose tackle. The Redskins need a bona fide nose tackle. Maybe Kemoeatu gets better in the offseason, building up that leg strength some more and maybe A. Bryant continues to develop, but I wouldn't build the future on maybes. If a decent nose tackle becomes available in free agency or the draft, I think they have to take him - no more of this square peg - round hole nonsense.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 9, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I agree with your comments, but where do you think we can get the most bang for the buck? Another nose tackle, defensive end or linebacker? If we can improve on the four positions playing inside/outside linebacker (minus Orakapo of course) then we should do it. Then we should do something in the free safety area (need a real free safety and not another strong safety). If you look at the offensive lines in the NFC East the Giants have one of the better lines and our so called make shift wanna be defensive line I thought did a pretty good job.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 9, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

2011 Goals
1. Get younger - This team is too old to compete for 16 games (maybe 18 next season). Keep a minimum of 30ish players; only keep those who play hard and can be leaders (Fletcher).
2. Draft smart - Draft a QB in the first; only if a true franchise guy is available, otherwise take the best player available. There are so many holes, the best player on the board will help the team. Avoid Cam Newton; strong arm but unreliable character.
3. Get rid of the malcontents - now is the time to cut the ties with everyone who is not 100% on the team wagon.
4. Stop the drama - Kill the suspense, release Mcnabb and Hanesworth (no trade value as their contracts are too large).
5. Pay attention to special teams - special teams could have won 3 additional games last year. It deserves as much attention in the off season as the offense and defense.
6. Stay consistent - the goals is to have a true playoff team in 2-3 years. We can't do this in one season and everytime we try sets us back.

Posted by: Skin4Life1 | January 9, 2011 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Flacco is elite.

I don't care what anybody says.

Posted by: MistaMoe

A little Premature Exclamation.

Brady, P. Manning, and Vick were "elite" this year. But Flacco's right there with Rogers and Rivers at almost ready for Elite status.

Posted by: TheCork | January 9, 2011 3:06 PM |

Premature Exclamation. Heh, heh. Good one dude. I wouldn't put Flak in there with Rivers and Rodgers. Flak had elite receivers - Boldin and Whosyourmama - whereas the other two didn't. Did you see that Jones dude drop that room-service pass from Rod? Christ Almighty.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 9, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Brady, P. Manning, and Vick were "elite" this year. But Flacco's right there with Rogers and Rivers at almost ready for Elite status.

Posted by: TheCork | January 9, 2011 3:06 PM |

Premature Exclamation. Heh, heh. Good one dude. I wouldn't put Flak in there with Rivers and Rodgers. Flak had elite receivers - Boldin and Whosyourmama - whereas the other two didn't. Did you see that Jones dude drop that room-service pass from Rod? Christ Almighty.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 9, 2011 9:27 PM |

So where do Brees and Ryan fit in y'alls chart? I put Brees as elite and Ryan in the up and comer level.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

So where do Brees and Ryan fit in y'alls chart? I put Brees as elite and Ryan in the up and comer level.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2011 9:30 PM |

I will say this for Breesy. The dude deserved a better fate than that Marshawn Lynch fiasco. And it came from a Grilliams coached D for Crissakes! Grill dude - I think any chance you had at a HC gig slipped away, just like that Lynch dude did!

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 9, 2011 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Grill dude - I think any chance you had at a HC gig slipped away,

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 9, 2011 9:41 PM

All those teams that base their evaluations of potential coaches on one game will really be down on Williams.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 9, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

So where do Brees and Ryan fit in y'alls chart? I put Brees as elite and Ryan in the up and comer level.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2011 9:30 PM |

I will say this for Breesy. The dude deserved a better fate than that Marshawn Lynch fiasco. And it came from a Grilliams coached D for Crissakes! Grill dude - I think any chance you had at a HC gig slipped away, just like that Lynch dude did!

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 9, 2011 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Elite are Peyton, Brady and Brees. near elite: Roehtlisberger, Rogers, Rivers, Ryan. Michael vick at next level.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 9, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Elite are Peyton, Brady and Brees. near elite: Roehtlisberger, Rogers, Rivers, Ryan. Michael vick at next level.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 9, 2011 10:08 PM

I think Schaub and Flacco are that level with Vick. Although I would take either of them before Vick. Wonder where McScabb fits in?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2011 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I think Schaub and Flacco are that level with Vick. Although I would take either of them before Vick. Wonder where McScabb fits in?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2011 10:14 PM

John Clayton ranked him #18 out of 38 QB's in his season-ending ratings.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5972554

Posted by: beep-beep | January 9, 2011 10:22 PM | Report abuse

All those teams that base their evaluations of potential coaches on one game will really be down on Williams.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 9, 2011 9:57 PM |

You have a point. It was at the end of the game, the NO D no D was tired, Lynch is very hard to bring down, etc. Did anyone count how many attempted tackles there were? It was sort like the Gaints collapse against Philly, except this was just one play and the Philly Phiasco lasted 8 long min.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 9, 2011 10:33 PM | Report abuse

At least Vick threw a pick.

I'm surprised he didn't just do his normal playoff thing: hiding in his shell, like the heartless punk he is.

Green Bay didn't beat him up enough. I wish his career had ended with him in a wheelchair for the rest of his miserable life.

Philly fans: Get used to it. The guy has been a loser his whole career. No trophies on the way.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 9, 2011 11:20 PM | Report abuse

So, is this thread going to stay until they actually meet or what?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2011 12:08 AM | Report abuse

WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE EAGLES PLAN OF DRAFTING OLINE-MEN AND BE LIKE THEM EVERY YEAR LMAO SOME PPL ARE RETARDS

Posted by: warriorking111285 | January 10, 2011 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Flacco is elite.

I don't care what anybody says.

Posted by: MistaMoe
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My poops are more elite than Joe Flacco.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 10, 2011 12:17 AM | Report abuse

One thing that was very apparent in all 4 games this weekend was the way dominant line play on both sides of the ball proved critical to the outcomes.

The ability to control the clock and keep defenses off balance with an effective running game and the ability of defenses to pressure and sac the QB - especially on critical plays, did not go unnoticed, to me at least.

Both of these aspects are skills the Redskins do not excel at.

Seeing a future first ballot HOF QB like Manning fall to an opponent led by an emerging, and still not very impressive QB like Sanchez was very telling.

We have a lot of work to do this off season. And the next, probably, as well.

Posted by: edvar | January 10, 2011 12:18 AM | Report abuse

VICK IS THE SAME QB AS HE WAS IN ATL!!!!!!!!! HE JUST HAD SOME GOOD GAMES THIS SEASON

Posted by: warriorking111285 | January 10, 2011 12:19 AM | Report abuse

VICK IS THE SAME QB AS HE WAS IN ATL!!!!!!!!! HE JUST HAD SOME GOOD GAMES THIS SEASON

Posted by: warriorking111285 | January 10, 2011 12:19 AM

Stop yelling you d0uche.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2011 12:34 AM | Report abuse

So, is this thread going to stay until they actually meet or what?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2011 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Welcome back offseason. I've missed you so...

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 4:48 AM | Report abuse

Wow...I haven't logged onto RI since Friday and it looks like not a damn thing has changed since. Except now there are no more active NFC East teams, hahaha...

Gotta say...for as much love as the Bucs get up here for the way they built their team, I gotta say I love what the Packers are doing even more. They're the most complete team in the NFC right now and they've done it with a commitment to building thru the draft AND effectively using FA (anyone doubt how important Woodson is to their D?). It defies logic to be so deep and so well coached that you can sustain such a brutal on-slaught of injuries (I think they have about 14 guys on IR) and not only make the playoffs in a tough division, but to still be a SB favorite.

Hopefully our time is coming...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 6:52 AM | Report abuse

How long did Abe's meeting with MJ last? This one will be shorter.

Oh yeah, Jason, you mentioned Smith has been out of the country and had other issues he was dealing with since returning. Where? When? Why? What? This reminds me of your story re: a players recent DUI. You never said where that happened even while mentioning the darn Sheriff's Ofc.

If you aren't going to provide detail on something don't include it in the story.

Posted by: TheDubb | January 10, 2011 7:34 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead

The Redskins need a bona fide nose tackle. Maybe Kemoeatu gets better in the offseason...and maybe A. Bryant continues to develop,

Nose tackle and a right defensive end are priorities when you play the 3-4, and this draft offers a lot of very good prospects.

Part of the reason why the 3-4 switch bombed in D.C. is that the FO put trust in players-Kemo/AH/Golston-who just didn't control the interior in the way they hoped they would.

AH didn't have the desire, Kemo the health, and Golston the skill.

All season, teams ran right at the edges (at AH-Golston playing right de-end) to much success--Holliday is the one who secured the spot.

And where A Bryant looked good in the games he played in, he's 29, and hasn't been an NFL starter--that's telling, isn't it?.

We need a couple of young'ns to secure our defensive front 7, IMO.

And while folks ape about the likes of Pouncey, the real need is for run- stuffing, space-eating interior defensive lineman like Dareus, Powe, Fairley, and Taylor.

You watch beefy interior guys like Raji, Gregg, Hampton, Ngata, and T Cody (the ravens have 3 solid NTs!) and see that they are the ones that make stellar defense, stellar.

Being strong up the middle will improve the 3-4 scheme we've switched to.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 7:37 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,
Draft nothing but offensive and defensive linemen this draft and that would suit me fine. Looks like the top of the draft is weighted toward defensive linemen so maybe go there first. Sure would be great if they could trade down for more picks - or get some more picks by trading away some guys that don't fit in the 3-4.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

And where A Bryant looked good in the games he played in, he's 29, and hasn't been an NFL starter--that's telling, isn't it?.

We need a couple of young'ns to secure our defensive front 7, IMO.

And while folks ape about the likes of Pouncey, the real need is for run- stuffing, space-eating interior defensive lineman like Dareus, Powe, Fairley, and Taylor.

You watch beefy interior guys like Raji, Gregg, Hampton, Ngata, and T Cody (the ravens have 3 solid NTs!) and see that they are the ones that make stellar defense, stellar.

Being strong up the middle will improve the 3-4 scheme we've switched to.


Posted by: MistaMoe


Honest to God, Moe, it's not an Either/or situation. It's obvious to any so-called expert that the 'skins need two D-linemen and two LBs next season from FA or the draft.

It is also obvious the Redskins need 3 or4 Offensive linemen.

And it's just silly to denigrate, say Pouncy fans, because rr the defense needs fixing too.

But one thing is obvious. Rather than jump to the 3-4, the Redskins should have eased into it, since their needs are everywhere.

Posted by: TheCork | January 10, 2011 7:51 AM | Report abuse

It is also obvious ....

Posted by: TheCork | January 10, 2011 7:51 AM

obvious = something Cork believes and asserts rather than demonstrates

Posted by: beep-beep | January 10, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse

RSH

Sure would be great if they could trade down for more picks


Flounder21 posted the other day that giving up the #10 pick is worth--at best--a 3rd rounder and other consideration(let's say, another 5th?).

Let's say that happens:

2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7(Tryon)

You could find a lot of valuable lineman in rounds 3-5 in this scenario/fantasy.

And, again, I have a sense that no matter what happens, Kyle's daddy is going to make sure he has a new quarterback to play with.

Maybe that #2 is that kid.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Gotta say...for as much love as the Bucs get up here for the way they built their team, I gotta say I love what the Packers are doing even more. They're the most complete team in the NFC right now and they've done it with a commitment to building thru the draft AND effectively using FA (anyone doubt how important Woodson is to their D?). It defies logic to be so deep and so well coached that you can sustain such a brutal on-slaught of injuries (I think they have about 14 guys on IR) and not only make the playoffs in a tough division, but to still be a SB favorite.

Hopefully our time is coming...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 6:52 AM
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Yeah, I'm watching the game last night saying, "Where did that guy come from?" They have done a remarkable job rebuilding, but you'll note it all starts up front. They've picked offensive and/or defensive linemen in every draft over the last five years.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 8:01 AM | Report abuse

theCork

I didn't intend to insult anyone.

But I think folks forget we spent a high pick on an offensive lineman last year--remember?

It's the defense's turn.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 8:02 AM | Report abuse

If we stay @ #10..

Then you're talking QB(only if their guy is there), OLB, DL, WR...

That's it that's the list.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2011 8:10 AM | Report abuse

If you have a choice between a defensive lineman or a linebacker who can play in a 3-4 scheme and create fear like a B. Orakapo. I would say that would be the way to go.

I wonder where Alexander, Rob Jackson and J. Jarmen will fit in since some of those guys looked really good at the end of the season.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 10, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

A. Bryant sure played great agains't the Giants. In my book the nose tackle position is filled.
+++++++++++++++

Sure. As long as A.Bryant gets to battle 3rd-string centers, we should be fine. You do recall that the Gs were playing their backup-backup, right?

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Diesel 44

Then you're talking QB(only if their guy is there),....


I'm with you there.

If Kyle wants a q-back, daddy is going to get him one.

They would've grabbed Bradford last year if they could've.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 8:15 AM | Report abuse

goose-

Alexander - Special teams/maybe transition to ILB

Jackson- backup OLB

Jarmon- backup DE

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2011 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Anthony Bryant is like a lot of guys on this team that I would feel comfortable when they were to come in to the game when the starter is gassed or to fill in short-term if there is an injury, but are not ready yet and should not be the starter, like Golston, Moore, Doughty, and Heyer.

SAVE THE PIGEONS!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 10, 2011 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully our time is coming...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 6:52 AM
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Yeah, I'm watching the game last night saying, "Where did that guy come from?" They have done a remarkable job rebuilding, but you'll note it all starts up front. They've picked offensive and/or defensive linemen in every draft over the last five years.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 8:01 AM | Report abuse


They draft a QB and he learned the system for about 3 years under the same coaches.

It pretty much begins and ends there for the Packers.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 8:20 AM | Report abuse

So who would be Shanahan's "guy" at the QB position?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 10, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Then Paul Soliai could very well be that guy.
Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2011 9:06 PM

NOOOOO! I read that this guy had a reputation for laziness and being completely disinterested his first few years THEN really turned it on for his....contract year.

Please, no more such FA signings in Washington. Maybe, just maybe, he will get payed and still play, but historys against it of course.

Posted by: craig81 | January 10, 2011 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Posted at 1:40 PM ET, 01/ 7/2011
Mike Shanahan, Donovan McNabb's agent hope to meet soon
By Jason Reid


Today is what, the 10th?

A 3 day thread?

It must be the offseason.

Oh well,...there is work for entertainment.

Not that I have a job, though.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 8:23 AM | Report abuse

So who would be Shanahan's "guy" at the QB position?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 10, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

John Elway

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

So who would be Shanahan's "guy" at the QB position?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 10, 2011 8:21 AM |

Good question, Locker would seem to be the choice but not sure if his season will turn Shanny off.

The typical Shanny QB is fast with a rocket arm.

Shaub did not fit this in Houston so maybe Kyle has a different few on QB's then his old man.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

They draft a QB and he learned the system for about 3 years under the same coaches.

They also decided to draft a nose tackle and outside linebacker the year they made the switch to a 3-4.

Raji, Matthews: ever hear of those two guys?

We took Orakpo, btw.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

That might be true about A. Bryant playing against a 3rd string center, but he still had to deal with the Guards. If you looked at the game we had where we had to go to a makeshift offensive line (i.e. S Heyer had to play left Guard) I thought the offensive line looked suprisingly OK...not dominate but better than what I anticipated.

It would be nice if we could get something for McNabb (3rd or 4th) and we traded up into the later rounds due to Locker being gone (pick a QB needy team 1-9)and that we concentrated on offensive/defensive linemen and linebackers.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 10, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

From ESPN -

"However, team sources said (Larry) Fitzgerald has been "all class, a real team guy" and "very receptive" to remaining with the team beyond 2011. The Cardinals have communicated to him strongly that securing a quality quarterback is a priority."


This is what I was saying could be the catalyst for a DMac trade that would be suitable for the Skins.

AZ is in a position of not only needing to return to the playoffs while they still have a window, but needing to appease Larry Fitzgerald pronto.

Say what you want about DMac's short-intermediate dirtballs, the dude gets the ball deep.

He lives in AZ, and after watching the 7-9 Seahawks take the division, DMac has to be feeling like playing in the NFC West with a guy like Fitzgerald is his quickest route back to the playoffs.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

They also decided to draft a nose tackle and outside linebacker the year they made the switch to a 3-4.

Raji, Matthews: ever hear of those two guys?

We took Orakpo, btw.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse


Yeah, that probably helped them.

The year we switched to a 3-4, we gave away draft picks for a 33 year old QB.

That did not help us.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I quess it helps out that the "Professor" rated McNabb #18 on his list. Thats what we need is two teams bidding for McNabb's services. Maybe we could get a a second rounder or a 3rd and 4th.

I do know Belichech is fully committed to this draft. Look at the number of picks that he has at his disposal.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 10, 2011 8:46 AM | Report abuse

how about them Seahawks...???!!??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 10, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse

how about them Seahawks...???!!??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 10, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse


How bout Pete Carroll????


After leaving USC in shambles due to NCAA violations, the guy is now making history in the NFL playoffs.

Karma is really procrastinating on this one...

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I love their defense and especially Earl Thomas.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 10, 2011 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I love their defense and especially Earl Thomas.


Who'd you crave to have from what you saw over the weekend?

A. Eric Berry

B. Earl Thomas

C. they are rookies, so it doesn't matter


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I love their defense and especially Earl Thomas.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 10, 2011 8:57 AM | Report abuse


That Marshawn Lynch TD was one of the beastliest runs I've ever seen in the NFL.

Reminds me of highlights I've seen of Earl Campbell back in the day.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 9:04 AM | Report abuse

moe, I thought berry looked good...

does anyone ever think back to how close the redskins were in 2005 to having the option of either Campbell, or Rogers??

Had both been there, I wonder what they'd have done....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 10, 2011 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of having to make ever so tough choices:

Here are the 17 finalists (*-denotes senior nominee):

From NFL.COM--HALL OF FAME Finalists

» Jerome Bettis, RB (1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers)

» Tim Brown, WR/KR (1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

» Cris Carter, WR (1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins)

» Dermontti Dawson, C (1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers)

» Richard Dent, DE (1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles)

» Chris Doleman, DE/LB (1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers)

» Marshall Faulk, RB (1994-98 Indianapolis Colts, 1999-2005 St. Louis Rams)

» Charles Haley, DE/LB (1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys)

» *Chris Hanburger, LB (1965-78 Washington Redskins)

» Cortez Kennedy, DT (1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks)

» Curtis Martin, RB (1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets)

» Andre Reed, WR (1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins)

» *Les Richter, LB (1954-62 Los Angeles Rams)

» Willie Roaf, OT (1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs)

» Ed Sabol, Contributor (1964-1995 NFL Films)

» Deion Sanders, CB/KR/PR (1989-1993 Atlanta Falcons, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-99 Dallas Cowboys, 2000 Washington Redskins, 2004-05 Baltimore Ravens)

» Shannon Sharpe, TE (1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens)


Curtis Martin, Andre Reed, Cortez Kennedy, and Cris Carter should have to wait their turn.

Otherwise, I'm voting for all the other dudes listed.

That's one big class.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Berry is gonna be a superstar, glad we got Orakpo but Matthews will probably be the better player, even though another pass rusher on this team would make him better!!!

SAVE THE ANTS!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 10, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Gotta say...for as much love as the Bucs get up here for the way they built their team, I gotta say I love what the Packers are doing even more. They're the most complete team in the NFC right now and they've done it with a commitment to building thru the draft AND effectively using FA (anyone doubt how important Woodson is to their D?).

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 6:52 AM

The Packers represent the polar opposite of the Skins in how to build a team. Remember this post on RI: Cap analysis: Contrasting approaches toward roster building

"On offense, since 2008 (The Aaron Rodgers era), the Packers have ranked third in the NFL in average points scored over that time at 27.4 points per game. This dynamic offensive unit is comprised completely of "home-grown" players, players the Packers have either drafted or signed as college free agents..."


100% homegrown. Amazing! That's got to make it real easy for Packers fans to love and root for their team.

Being pushed to hold my nose and cheer the likes of Deion Sanders and Donovan McNabb has been extremely unpleasant for this fan. I keep expecting to see Tony Romo or Eli Manning in a Skins uniform eventually, and it makes me want to puke.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I'd be happy with either safety, but would probably prefer Thomas. We need an all around safety.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 10, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

love their defense and especially Earl Thomas.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 10, 2011 8:57 AM | Report abuse


That Marshawn Lynch TD was one of the beastliest runs I've ever seen in the NFL.

Reminds me of highlights I've seen of Earl Campbell back in the day.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 9:04 AM | Report abuse

That run probably made Greg Williams really sick. I was dissappointed on how the New Orleans defense played that day.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 10, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Alan4 | January 10, 2011 9:27 AM


You're gettin' a Dap Pound from me, that's a stellar post, son.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Some fairly interesting stuff from Loverro about Shanahan's drafting tendencies:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/teams/redskins/2011/01/thom-loverro-can-shanahan-draft-champion

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

LOL @ Fatfart Shamesgirth. That's the best one so far. It barely even sounds like his name.

Posted by: egoodman8 | January 10, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse


100% homegrown. Amazing! That's got to make it real easy for Packers fans to love and root for their team.

Being pushed to hold my nose and cheer the likes of Deion Sanders and Donovan McNabb has been extremely unpleasant for this fan. I keep expecting to see Tony Romo or Eli Manning in a Skins uniform eventually, and it makes me want to puke.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 9:27 AM |

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thanks for saying it all right there alan.

for once I'd like other teams mouths watering for our own HOME GROWN FA's, instead of our fans screaming for us to aquire other teams FA'S, like mankins and vjax .

build our own playoff team through the draft, THEN add the missing pieces thru FA's

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Home grown talent is good, but that's what Free Agency is for. If this organization were making better decisions and bringing in better FA's then we wouldn't be talking about this.

SAVE THE HOGS!!!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 10, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Thinking about how Shahanan thinks about the draft:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/teams/redskins/2011/01/thom-loverro-can-shanahan-draft-champion

Reminder, you read it here first (from dcsween, about 6 weeks ago), Colin Kaepernick, QB/Nevada:

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/10/outstanding-senior-stories-highlight-kraft-fight-hunger-bowl/

Think Rocky Mountain Flacco ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

That's one big class.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I think you can only have 7.

My list:
Roaf
Faulk
Deion (F him)
Brown
Dent
Sharpe
Hanburger

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

That's one big class.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I think you can only have 7.

My list:
Roaf
Faulk
Deion (F him)
Brown
Dent
Sharpe
Hanburger

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

That's one big class.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I think you can only have 7.

My list:
Roaf
Faulk
Deion (F him)
Brown
Dent
Sharpe
Hanburger

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

hess, the redskins have the following needs:

ol(2)/dl(2)/wr(2)/rb/lb(2)/s/cb, how do you propose they fill all these needs through the draft...

your suggestion, heartfelt to you, is assinine, yet you still TROT it out there every day like a badge of honor...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 10, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

That's one big class.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I think you can only have 7.

My list:
Roaf
Faulk
Deion (F him)
Brown
Dent
Sharpe
Hanburger

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

That's one big class.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I think you can only have 7.

My list:
Roaf
Faulk
Deion (F him)
Brown
Dent
Sharpe
Hanburger

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

That's one big class.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I think you can only have 7.

My list:
Roaf
Faulk
Deion (F him)
Brown
Dent
Sharpe
Hanburger

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse

for once I'd like other teams mouths watering for our own HOME GROWN FA's, ...

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 9:42 AM

You mean homegrown like from around here (Westbrook, Heyer) or the USFAs that we don't re-sign (Antonio Pierce, Kyle DeVan)?

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

That's one big class.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I think you can only have 7.

My list:
Roaf
Faulk
Deion (F him)
Brown
Dent
Sharpe
Hanburger

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I only hit submit once, I swear.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I only hit submit once, I swear.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Who'd you crave to have from what you saw over the weekend?

A. Eric Berry

B. Earl Thomas

C. they are rookies, so it doesn't matter

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 9:02 AM

Chris Carr, Haloti Ngata, Tamba Hali

also, easy there, etrod ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I only hit submit once, I swear.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I only hit submit once, I swear.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse


hess, the redskins have the following needs:

ol(2)/dl(2)/wr(2)/rb/lb(2)/s/cb, how do you propose they fill all these needs through the draft...

your suggestion, heartfelt to you, is assinine, yet you still TROT it out there every day like a badge of honor...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 10, 2011 9:58 AM |

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I'm more patient than you I guess greg, because you're talking WIN NOW.

SAVE THE WHALES !!!!!

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Greg, don't even engage Hess on this...dude has a hard on for building thru the draft and yet wants Shanahan gone after only one year. Can't pine for the patient approach and display no patience...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I only hit submit once, I swear.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Original_etrod

How do you leave off Charles Haley and all them rings he has?

I'd drop Deion as he didn't tackle, and add Dawson as o-lineman are always jerked by the HOF voters.

And EdSabol should get in on general principal: football dominates today because of the images NFL Films created for it years ago--the thunderous trumpet symphonic music and loopy bloopers especially.

I mean, raise you hands if you grew up to John Facenda's baritone intoning, "...the autumn wind is a raider...".

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I only hit submit once, I swear.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

brown, I shouldn't have bothered you're right, but sometimes, people are just so galactically stupid that its hard to ignore...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 10, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Home grown talent is good, but that's what Free Agency is for. If this organization were making better decisions and bringing in better FA's then we wouldn't be talking about this.

SAVE THE HOGS!!!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 10, 2011 9:51 AM
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Maybe there is a certain wisdom in saying that there is no need to waste your time on players other teams have given up on. Not advocating the approach, but couldn't you argue that it is smart to assume that the other teams in the NFL aren't all idiots and a player they couldn't develop probably isn't going to develop in a Redskins uniform? There are certainly exceptions to this, but I wonder if it improves your efficiency in locating talent if you just make the assumption other teams have already narrowed the field for you.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I only hit submit once, I swear.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 10:04 AM

I only hit submit once, I swear.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 10:05 AM

And by "easy now," I mean you should quit swearing. This is a family blog. Just ask SJKing Jack's kids.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse


Greg, don't even engage Hess on this...dude has a hard on for building thru the draft and yet wants Shanahan gone after only one year. Can't pine for the patient approach and display no patience...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 10:07 AM |

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I never said shanahan should be fired brown. my comments about the direction the FO is taking is everything I'm talking about. I like the culture change for sure. not sold on jr shanahan or haslett, but FO moves and how we rebuild is everything I post about nowadays, because that is the most important thing ahead of us. talk FA's later, or do business as usual. listening to greg howl over aquiring high dollar FA'S is more of the same.

also brown, I could care less who responds to your comments, I believe in freedom of speech and welcome all post from RI peeps. I find the ita thing rather childish

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

moe,

That is how I think it will shake out. If I had my druthers (or if I knew what druthers were) I'd go with

Faulk
Hanburger
Dent
Haley
Brown
Roaf
Dawson

I just noticed that you generally don't see 2 of any one position go in at the same time and Dent has been waiting longer.

Same with OL, Dawson has been waiting but Roaf is a no-brainer, plus Left Tackle always trumps center in these types of things.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Wow Moe...did you just say you wouldn't put Deion in the HoF and put Charles Haley and Dermonti Dawson in instead?

That's batsh*t crazy, dude...please tell me I read that wrong...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse


brown, I shouldn't have bothered you're right, but sometimes, people are just so galactically stupid that its hard to ignore...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 10, 2011 10:14 AM |

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just do as you're told by brown greg, you're a follower, that's for sure

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Wow Moe...did you just say you wouldn't put Deion in the HoF and put Charles Haley and Dermonti Dawson in instead?

That's batsh*t crazy, dude...please tell me I read that wrong...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

He lives in AZ, and after watching the 7-9 Seahawks take the division, DMac has to be feeling like playing in the NFC West with a guy like Fitzgerald is his quickest route back to the playoffs.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 8:33 AM |

I saw an article a few weeks back (I don't remember who wrote it or why) that claimed that there wasn't really any reason why Arizona would want McNabb and no one on the team had any connection to McNabb. Well Mr. Author...read this post.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26

I'm not in the mood to justify opinion today.

What I post stands for itself.

Sanders is a minstrel in his own show.

I see him on tv and want to re-name him Stepin' Fetchit.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Here's my contribution to new discussion, have a good morning all:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/teams/redskins/2011/01/thom-loverro-can-shanahan-draft-champion

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Fair enough, Moe...just know that it's insanely biased at best to say that one of the greatest cover corners of all time doesn't belong in the HoF...and then to throw out a couple of very good role players as viable replacements. Regardless of personality, "Deion can't tackle" isn't a reason to keep him out of the Hall.

As I said...batsh*t crazy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Man, everyone is a little bit snippy this morning. Guys, Washington was eliminated from the playoffs weeks ago - not this weekend, and our nemesis Filthadelphia was run over by a speeding rookie running back yesterday, so let's all try to be nobler human beings... and, if you have to call someone "galatically stupid" or "batsh*t crazy", be sure it is Personal-Fowl that receives your tidings of joy...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Here's my contribution to new discussion, have a good morning all:

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2011 10:26 AM

Cool...any way you can make it so we don't have to scroll three and a half miles too?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 10, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse


if there was a HOF for narcissist, deion would lead the way in, first vote

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

RSH, nobody throws out labels like that unless people roll outta bed with such garbage as "Deion shouldn't go to the HoF because I hate his face" or "build thru the draft...FA is the devil". There's a cause and effect in play here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse


and, if you have to call someone "galatically stupid" or "batsh*t crazy", be sure it is Personal-Fowl that receives your tidings of joy...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 10:32 AM |

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I agree rsh, and thanks for the words of wisdom.

the name calling and ita list is just folks that THINK they're tuff behind a computer screen, when they actually are showing everyone their weakness with their childish postings.

HTTR!

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth to Dee-Troit rumors heating up:

http://is.gd/kuwa0

Corey Williams and a 4th? Maybe a 2nd straight up?

Make it happen Shanallen, I want this chapter put to bed!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

the name calling and ita list is just folks that THINK they're tuff behind a computer screen, when they actually are showing everyone their weakness with their childish postings.

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 10:43 AM

I bet I could beat you up hess

Posted by: PlayAction | January 10, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Do you'all ever tire of the constant slap-fighting.....jeesh.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

There are 2 variations of fans here.

There are some fans who happily cheer for the "uniform"--even if the Skins and Cowpies exchanged uniforms, they would be excited cheering for Tony Romo and Dez Bryant. They don't care what players are actually wearing the uniform.

Then there are some who like players with a Skins pedigree, who are homegrown and can give the Skins their best years.

Obviously, there is a happy medium somwhere in between.

But I will confess, I would prefer going 6-10 with homegrown Skins--not Donovan McNabb or other NFC East rivals leading the way.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Obviously, there is a happy medium somwhere in between.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 10:55 AM

I root for the uniform, want them to win, and would prefer homegrown.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 10, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth to Dee-Troit rumors heating up:

http://is.gd/kuwa0

Corey Williams and a 4th? Maybe a 2nd straight up?

Make it happen Shanallen, I want this chapter put to bed!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse


Don't Suh and AH play the same technique at D-tackle?

Not sure why the Lions would take this risk and ruin something that's already working well for them.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

But I will confess, I would prefer going 6-10 with homegrown Skins--not Donovan McNabb or other NFC East rivals leading the way.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 10:55 AM


I'm sure most fans would agree with that...but I think the "cheer for the uniform" group you talked about is more resigned to things being what they are and just root for the burgundy and gold anyway.

Rooting for the Skins is in the blood. If the choice is support McNabb and other FA flameouts or stop rooting for the Skins altogether, most people don't have the stomach for the latter.

Being a Skins fan is certainly a test in loyalty, that's for sure...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26


Actually, what's most annoying are the people who never have any original ideas, but just spend their free time tearing down other people's ideas.

There are dudes who do nothing but surf other folks opinions for stuff to post.

Without the people who lay out their opinion, such people would have nothing to say.

Me?: I sling opinion freely.

And I don't ever hate or criticize another blogga's opinions, especially if I never have any myself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Don't Suh and AH play the same technique at D-tackle?

Not sure why the Lions would take this risk and ruin something that's already working well for them.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 11:05 AM

That's why I don't buy this...the same rumor was floated out there last offseason by people connecting dots (AH played for Schwartz in TN) for possible landing spots. They already have Suh and a good rotation of younger, less disruptive players. I can't imagine them giving up a talented part of that rotation AND a draft pick for a guy who is on a good day a talented malcontent who doesn't put in the work to be a consistent force. Mayhew has done pretty well there the last couple years, so unless they just fired him for Vinny I can't see that trade coming to pass.

Of course, I said the same thing about the McNabb deal too...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Maybe there is a certain wisdom in saying that there is no need to waste your time on players other teams have given up on. Not advocating the approach, but couldn't you argue that it is smart to assume that the other teams in the NFL aren't all idiots and a player they couldn't develop probably isn't going to develop in a Redskins uniform? There are certainly exceptions to this, but I wonder if it improves your efficiency in locating talent if you just make the assumption other teams have already narrowed the field for you.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

It's not just about players that teams think can't develop, there are players every year that are perfectly good players that get cut because they don't fit into the team's future plans, for whatever reason, such as London Fletcher for us, and last year T.J. Who's-Your-Momma. It's hard for me to believe Mankins and VJax, if let go, are thought to have been labeled as washed up. Now, that being said, I do agree that about 95% or so of the cuts being made are players that either can't develop or just don't fit that scheme. We need the players that either would fit our scheme better than their old team or whose relationship with their team went stale and need a change of scenery!

SAVE THE SHARKS!!!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 10, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Nnamdi Asamogha is a free agent.

Wouldn't surprise me if Carlos Rogers is expecting to get Nnamdi-money.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight Moe...it's OK to throw crazy sh*t against the wall to see if it sticks, so long as it's not in response to someone else's post. Got it.

I mean, really dude...the "holier than thou" routine doesn't suit you. I get what you're saying about people trolling for a fight and totally agree with that aspect of your remark, but what's the point of the blog if nobody ever responds to the folks that "sling opinion freely"? It would be like ESPN...a clusterf*ck of people blurting out their opinions without any actual meaningful interaction taking place.

You share an opinion. I share mine. Someone else chimes in, and a discussion is born. The only way there's a problem there is if someone takes it personal when someone doesn't agree with their view.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I already think Detroit is better than most peeps up here (their problem is their secondary) but Hayneworth/Suh would be absolutely sick. That makes total sense to me. Just like a great O-line can make a mediocre QB look good, a great D-line can do a lot to hide the sins of a crappy secondary. Also, not only would Rabach be back-stepping onto the Skins QB's foot, he'd be back-stepping onto his groin.

Detroit lost a lot of really close games, much closer losses than people realize. [Also a solid choice for picking against the spread this year when the opponent was favored.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

This stands as Exhibit "A" of what annoys.

..."mean, really dude...the "holier than thou" routine doesn't suit you. I get what you're saying about people trolling for a fight...


I have arguments like this with my children.

And ultimately, I remind them that I really don't care about anything they have to say as I'm groen and don't battle children.

Just like I'm not paying attention to this.

It's non-productive to get into screaming matches to get attention.

There are a lot of dudes in here where that's all they do.

You never ever see them post anythng that generates intersting discussion.

Baiting and trolling is their way of life.

I suggest they get a new one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

It's non-productive to get into screaming matches to get attention.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

You all need to lower your voices in here, I'm trying to take my paid-nap!

SAVE THE GATORS!!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 10, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I hope AA and BB are not one hit wonders...and actually improve on their success this past year.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 10, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

This stands as Exhibit "A" of what annoys.

..."mean, really dude...the "holier than thou" routine doesn't suit you. I get what you're saying about people trolling for a fight...

I have arguments like this with my children.

And ultimately, I remind them that I really don't care about anything they have to say as I'm groen and don't battle children.

Just like I'm not paying attention to this.

It's non-productive to get into screaming matches to get attention.

There are a lot of dudes in here where that's all they do.

You never ever see them post anythng that generates intersting discussion.

Baiting and trolling is their way of life.

I suggest they get a new one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 11:31 AM

And this stands as "Exhibit A" of the "holier than thou" routine that doesn't jive with the trading of ideas and opinions.

So agree to disagree...or disagree to disagree, or whatever phrasing is acceptable in thine ears way up there on your high horse...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Don't Suh and AH play the same technique at D-tackle?

Not sure why the Lions would take this risk and ruin something that's already working well for them.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 11:05 AM

If the "same technique" is batshti crazy beastly disruption at the interior, yes.

I don't think its a risk because its I think the Haynesworth-as-locker-room-cancer became overblown and, to the extent its true, it was resulted from/inspired by the feud with Shanahan. Hayneworth seemed like he otherwise loved life when Schwartz was his huckleberry. Schwartz was his guy both before and after the Gurode head-stomping and four game suspension and it was that post-suspension period when he hit his best angry/happy stride at a DT.

If the Skins/Lions/Hayneworth himself can keep it low key until the deal is done, then it seems like Lions could be (should be) a legit trading partner.


Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I love Pouncey in round 1, Von Miller in Round 2. too bad both will go in the 1st rd

Posted by: Notorious_LMG |

A clever trade moves down in round one and up in round two and snags them both. Based on what I've seen I'd be delighted with both players.

Posted by: TheCork | January 10, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I think someone broke the blog.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 10, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

sween, that's why I think the Lions' interest in AH is a bit overblown...AH was tight with the D-line coach in TN (Washburn, I think his name is), not so much with Schwartz (or so I've heard). While I don't think he's a disruptive force in the locker room like TO, I also don't think he's a disruptive enough a force on the field consistently enough to warrant giving up a pick and a solid, starting-caliber player. I'd love for Detroit to bail us out, but I just don't see where there's long-term upside in making that deal from their perspective.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Interesting quarterback matchups this weekend:

Roethlisberger v. Flacco

Ryan v. Rogers

Brady v. Sanchez

Cutler v. Hassleback


Best Game?: stillers v. ravens

Where's the Upset?: Not this week

Why might the jets win?: HA!!!!!!

Who's elite?: Ryan or Flacco or Rogers--whichever one beats Brady

If he can.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Truth & Rumors > NFL

Front-office rifts already in Washington?

07 AM ET 01.10 | The 2010 campaign will not be looked upon favorably by many in Washington, but there are no promises 2011 will unfold with less drama. There appear to be some cracks in the relationship between Redskins owner Dan Snyder and head coach Mike Shanahan and general manager Bruce Allen, according to those familiar with the goings on at Redskins Park. And that might mean Shanahan and Allen better win in 2011 if they want to be around in 2012.

National Football Post

Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/259991-front-office-rifts-already-on-horizon-in-washington?eref=sihp#ixzz1AeVDY17k

Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 10, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Do you'all ever tire of the constant slap-fighting.....jeesh.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2011 10:55 AM

sLApPieR thAn ThOu

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

This blog just wouldn't be the same without J. Reid.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | January 10, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Lowest score will be Steelers/Ravens

Upset will be Hasselbeck/Cutler

Packers/Falcons will be highest score

Somebody on the Pats will be IR before the game is over.

Book it

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't mind a nice Football Insider video right about now.

Here are my early picks for this weekend --

Home Team 24
Visiting Team 20

Posted by: PlayAction | January 10, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Armchair, that's REALLY depressing if true...the ink is barely dry on Shanahan's contract and here we are looking at replacing the guy. UFB...

I wish Snyder would just give the GM gig to Morocco Brown or Eric DeCosta of the Ravens (who used to work for the Skins, btw), let THEM hire the coach, and move on to rebuilding this thing FOR REAL...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 10, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Maybe there is a certain wisdom in saying that there is no need to waste your time on players other teams have given up on. Not advocating the approach, but couldn't you argue that it is smart to assume that the other teams in the NFL aren't all idiots and a player they couldn't develop probably isn't going to develop in a Redskins uniform? There are certainly exceptions to this, but I wonder if it improves your efficiency in locating talent if you just make the assumption other teams have already narrowed the field for you.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

It's not just about players that teams think can't develop, there are players every year that are perfectly good players that get cut because they don't fit into the team's future plans, for whatever reason, such as London Fletcher for us, and last year T.J. Who's-Your-Momma. It's hard for me to believe Mankins and VJax, if let go, are thought to have been labeled as washed up. Now, that being said, I do agree that about 95% or so of the cuts being made are players that either can't develop or just don't fit that scheme. We need the players that either would fit our scheme better than their old team or whose relationship with their team went stale and need a change of scenery!

SAVE THE SHARKS!!!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 10, 2011 11:16 AM
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As I said, I am not advocating the approach; however, I can see some merit in operating that way. Think of the players Washington has scooped up from other teams that didn't pan out. What's the hit rate on grabbing guys that become good contributors? For every London Fletcher there is a TJ Duckett to balance out the argument. So, say the Redskins are right 25% of the time on free agents they sign or mature players they trade for. Compare that to the success rate of undrafted free agents, the dramatically lower salaries, and the less constraining contracts that will allow you to filter a large number of them. As I said, I don't support the concept, but it is interesting.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Why no talk about Blaine Gabbert?

The way he is racing up the charts, we prob won't get him....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 10, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

really hope we can land von miller..him and rak would be a top tier tandem for the 3-4 for years to come..also like aj green but not sure hell be there

Posted by: zorn_sucks | January 10, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

If Snyder is already getting anxious and putting heat on the new braintrust in Ashburn and threatening that there better be results then nothing has changed and we are doomed forever. What a joke. Give the man time to get a roster purged of all the non sense Cerrato left us with.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 10, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

ArmchairGM, if that article is accurate it wouldn't surprise me at all.

I've said from the beginning, I truly believe Shanahan is overrated, but the team desparately needs him to stick around for the sake of continuity.

I just have doubts Snyder will continue to have patience if the team doesn't win at least 8 games next year.

Snyder has a roving eye for Big Name coaches and QBs.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Front-office rifts already in Washington?

07 AM ET 01.10 | The 2010 campaign will not be looked upon favorably by many in Washington, but there are no promises 2011 will unfold with less drama. There appear to be some cracks in the relationship between Redskins owner Dan Snyder and head coach Mike Shanahan and general manager Bruce Allen, according to those familiar with the goings on at Redskins Park. And that might mean Shanahan and Allen better win in 2011 if they want to be around in 2012.

National Football Post


Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/259991-front-office-rifts-already-on-horizon-in-washington?eref=sihp#ixzz1AeVDY17k

Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 10, 2011 11:56 AM

As the saying goes....you can't have two Napolean like figures making decisions...STAMPED...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 10, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Who's elite?: Ryan or Flacco or Rogers--


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse


Since none of them have even been to a Superbowl, I'd find it hard to call any of them "elite" right now.

Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger, Brees

That's pretty much the "elite" class, IMO.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I almost feel sorry for Snyder. I think he's trying to self-correct. He realizes that he gave Shanahan too much power after the fact and is now trying to seize some back.
If he would just take his time and think things out clearly-this wouldn't happen so much.

OR

Snyder's refusal to have a powerful general manager means he keeps giving to much power and influence to the coaches...and realizing it too belatedly. The guy just refuses to let a general manager run the team.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 10, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

SAVE THE SHARKS!!!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 10, 2011 11:16 AM

considering they've lost 4 in a row and only scored 1 goal in their last 3, I co-sign.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 10, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I almost feel sorry for Snyder. I think he's trying to self-correct. He realizes that he gave Shanahan too much power after the fact and is now trying to seize some back.
If he would just take his time and think things out clearly-this wouldn't happen so much.

OR

Snyder's refusal to have a powerful general manager means he keeps giving to much power and influence to the coaches...and realizing it too belatedly. The guy just refuses to let a general manager run the team.

Posted by: ArmchairGM

more or less, this makes sense.

What hasn't made sense is that Snyder as NEVER put in place the combination that usually works best. Two people -- a good coach and a good GM.

Now he's got one guy doing both jobs. Before this, he had Cerrato as GM, who was far out of his league.

Over time, this is the mgmt structure that has worked the best. Yet Danny, in over a decade, hasn't tried it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 10, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

National Football Post


Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/259991-front-office-rifts-already-on-horizon-in-washington?eref=sihp#ixzz1AeVDY17k

Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 10, 2011 11:56 AM

Never underestimate the potential for Snyder to screw things up.

Posted by: skinswest | January 10, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

There appear to be some cracks in the relationship between Redskins owner Dan Snyder and head coach Mike Shanahan and general manager Bruce Allen, according to those familiar with the goings on at Redskins Park.

National Football Post


Updated....

According to those same people familiar with the goings on at Redskins Park, there is also a crack in my butt. Back to you........

SAVE THE HORSE MANURE!!!!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 10, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

ArmchairGM | January 10, 2011 11:56 AM


Good reading.

So, what do you think might be the source of the 'rift' mentioned in the article?

--McNabb's 'treatment'?

--2-6 home record?

--failed vet FAs?

???????????

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Whatever Dan Snyder thinks...he should do the opposite.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 10, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Five hundred fifty second!

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Anyone out there know anything about Justin Houston (De/OLB) coming out of Georgia?

(And I don't just mean cut-n-past someone else's draft prospect...I mean has anyone watched the cat play)

He apparently beasted out this year as an OLB when the Bulldogs went to a 3-4.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Five hundred fifty second!

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 1:06 PM

Lucky duck

Posted by: PlayAction | January 10, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

This weekend, I came across some of the oddest television programs ever seen in Washington.

Was just flipping through the channels looking for something different when I mistakenly came to discover that several NFL football teams are still playing in what is apparently known as the "post-season" for what some might call conference and league "championships."

Who would ever have thought the NFL could air something so hopelessly surreal and unexpected -- and here in Washington, DC no less -- which everyone knows is the reigning and undisputed “champion for life” of the off-season?

Posted by: Vic1 | January 10, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Why no talk about Blaine Gabbert?

The way he is racing up the charts, we prob won't get him....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 10, 2011 12:19 PM

Fat and inaccurate. Anyone chasing will catch him.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The only change that Snyder could make after next year that wouldn't be a major failure would be to hire a young GM and let him run the team, otherwise he doen't get it and never will.

Anyone thinking firing Shanny after next year is just as bad as Snyder, you can't win in this league with out continuity.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

National Football Post

Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/259991-front-office-rifts-already-on-horizon-in-washington?eref=sihp#ixzz1AeVDY17k

Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 10, 2011 11:56 AM

Never underestimate the potential for Snyder to screw things up.

Posted by: skinswest | January 10, 2011 12:52 PM
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This brought to you by the same people who brought you "Brandon Marshall to the Redskins" and "Colt Brennan is the Redskins Future Quarterback". I don't believe a word. It's somebody trying to stir things up.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

ArmchairGM | January 10, 2011 11:56 AM

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I hope its true...get rid of that bum Shanahan&Son....

Posted by: BootneyFarnsworth | January 10, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I almost feel sorry for Snyder.

Dude has a billion dollars and he gets sympathy because his football team is mediocre?

Wow!

I wonder if he wishes he had less money, but owned a winning team.

Then, he'd be Robert Kraft.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Just heard that a team can not make any trades until there is a new CBA.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Anyone thinking firing Shanny after next year is just as bad as Snyder, you can't win in this league with out continuity.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2011 1:18 PM

STAMPED

(PS - You too must be listening to 980 while blogging and eating your lunch too. Re: Trades)

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 10, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Waiting for J-reid to piggy back off this story 3-2-1

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

really hope we can land von miller..him and rak would be a top tier tandem for the 3-4 for years to come..also like aj green but not sure hell be there

Posted by: zorn_sucks | January 10, 2011 12:20 PM

I agree that the Skins should target the Orakpo bookend in the first round. Personally, someone like Akeem Ayers (with both picks and sacks) from UCLA seems like the right guy, but I get it that early declaring juniors maybe are higher risk.

http://www.uclabruins.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010311aac.html

The other guys out there (converting from DE to 3-4 OLB) would be guys like Ryan Kerrigan or Robert Quinn, but I like the idea of an OLB who gets sacks ... pass coverage duties seem like Orakpo's weakness.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Anyone out there know anything about Justin Houston (De/OLB) coming out of Georgia?

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 1:10 PM

Never hire anyone from Georgia unless you have a Georgia Tech man to manage him. They're just no count bums at that school.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 10, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I am guilty to, but all talk of draft/signings/trades/moves/next year in general is drastically premature due to CBA chaos.

Enjoy these playoff games folks, might be the last football you see in awhile.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

In this thread (which now has posts in fewer digits if you write it on roman numberals), did you guys already talk about what Haslett was saying about what positions he is looking to keep and lose next year? He sounded happy with Fletcher and Hall, but also Rogers and McIntosh. He dropped some obviousnesses about Landry and Orakpo, but sounded like everything else was a need. Lemme see if I can find it.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Tonite's Matchup:

Auburn v. Oregon

This might be the fastest football game you'll ever see.

I mean in terms of how quickly the teams get in and out of the huddle (if they have one) and run plays.

Oregon has been conditioned to have success under such conditions.

Auburn will have to play deep into it's roster.

The Ducks' #21 LaMicheal James is a dynamite runner who can light up the house.

Everyone will be watching Cam Newton, so check out #90 Nick Fairley and the sophomore tight end #43 Philip Lutzenkirchen.

We're not making predictions even though we like SEC Football.

But we will say that if Cam is big, no one will care that Luck is back at Stanford.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I would tell McB1tch's agent that we have more pressing needs with another Fletcher at the moment. We'll call you when we can fit you in.

Don't call us, we'll call you.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 10, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse


Further to... and concerning this odd phenomenon I discovered on television this weekend called "post season play."

While I doubt something like this could ever catch on in Washington -- at least not under the current ownership group -- I must admit the games still seemed to have a certain appeal to them -- as the players and coaches all seemed to put their overinflated egos and personal hysterics aside (for a few hours at least) and fully engaged in the business of just trying to win football games.

While there was nowhere near the drama of seeing something like a pre-season exhibition game with Fat Albert sulking on the sidelines, or the "full-priced value" of staging a regular season exhibition game to fully "evaluate" whether a multi-year veteran quarterback or two can actually play and succeed in Baby Shan's incredible offensive scheme -- I still suspect that if given even half a chance, this post-season football thing might just eventually catch on -- at least elsewhere around the league -- and could even become some worthwhile and watchable football all the same.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 10, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

There appear to be some crack between Redskins' owner Dan Snyder and Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen,....


There's a Marion Barry joke in there somewhere.

Isn't there?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I hope Cam plays like a top 9 pick tonight.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

In this thread (which now has posts in fewer digits if you write it on roman numberals), did you guys already talk about what Haslett was saying about what positions he is looking to keep and lose next year? He sounded happy with Fletcher and Hall, but also Rogers and McIntosh. He dropped some obviousnesses about Landry and Orakpo, but sounded like everything else was a need. Lemme see if I can find it.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 1:32 PM
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I just read it on Redskins.com. A little surprising that he is saying Fletcher and Hall are good fits. I wouldn't say that at all, but the guys playing opposite them are free agents, so maybe this is just Haslett trying to get some leverage in negotiations. He said McIntosh had "some things he has to work out, but he got better as the season wore on". I think he threw a few jabs in there about Rogers being injured so much, but you are right: he said he would like re-sign both of them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I hope Cam plays like a top 9 pick tonight.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse


what has happened to our beloved football ?

cba = might not play next year

7-9 team makes the playoffs and gets home field first round

and now we find out that snyder hasn't turned over complete football operations to his FO

as I've stated before, you can't be an owner of anything and not be involved in the operation, hence, as long as snyder owns this team you can forget about a championship parade

not being negative, just stating what is fact in my eye's, not yours

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I hope Cam plays like a top 9 pick tonight.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

O_etrod

I hope Cam plays like a top 9 pick tonight.

If Oregon wins, folks will shout that it's the best major conference in college football.

They will have a strong argument.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse


There appear to be some crack between Redskins' owner Dan Snyder and Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen,....


There's a Marion Barry joke in there somewhere.

Isn't there?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse


Joke?

Marion Barry smoking crack is not a "joke", it's a worn-out headline...

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse


There appear to be some crack between Redskins' owner Dan Snyder and Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen,....


There's a Marion Barry joke in there somewhere.

Isn't there?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse


Joke?

Marion Barry smoking crack is not a "joke", it's a worn-out headline...

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 1:50 PM |

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funny stuff moe, keep it coming

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Enjoy these playoff games folks, might be the last football you see in awhile.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse


Do you really believe that?

As out of touch with reality as the owners and players are, even those fools wouldn't kill the golden goose just b/c it doesn't also crap diamonds.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey 4thFloor:

I'm with you Gabbert is a solid prospect,
there are some QB-needy teams picking in front of us, so I'm having a hard time figuring how the Bills, Panthers,49ers,Cardinals and Titans are going to let any top QB prospect get past them. I thought he was a good player, but McShay at ESPN had him going 3rd overall and that was before Luck announced he was staying.

We might as well look at the next bunch of players. The cool thing is, even picking 10th we should get a really good player at any position we pick.

1. Panthers
2. Broncos
3. Bills
4. Bengals
5. Cardinals
6. Browns
7. 49ers
8. Titans
9. Cowboys
10.Redskins

Scouts Inc.'s Top 10
Player/School/Rating

1. Andrew Luck* QB Stanford 98
2. Da'Quan Bowers* DE Clemson 97
3. Nick Fairley DT Auburn 97
4. Patrick Peterson* CB LSU 97
5. A.J. Green* WR Georgia 97
6. Robert Quinn* DE N. Carolina 96
7. Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska 96
8. Marcell Dareus* DT Alabama 96
9. Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa 95
10. Stephen Paea DT Oregon State 95

So we'll take out Luck & insert Gabbert somewhere, but he still won't be available to us.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 10, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I hope Cam plays like a top 9 pick tonight.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2011 1:45 PM

Great...then it will cost us 2 picks to get him.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 10, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Arizona Shooting Suspect to Face Judge


Will the judge be allowed to shoot at him?

Just askin'...

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

@cL - No matter when the CBA is renewed, the draft will still be there.

With that being said,

http://nflmocks.com/2011/01/10/2011-nfl-draft-scouting-report-blaine-gabbert-mizzou-2/

How can you NOT like this dude. No way he is there @ #10...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 10, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse


Enjoy these playoff games folks, might be the last football you see in awhile.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse


Do you really believe that?

As out of touch with reality as the owners and players are, even those fools wouldn't kill the golden goose just b/c it doesn't also crap diamonds.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 1:54 PM |

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I don't know playaction, look at what baseball and hockey did, cancel seasons

in this world, after you create your wealth, power is the next obstacle to knock down.

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't know playaction, look at what baseball and hockey did, cancel seasons

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 1:59 PM

You always disagree with me hess...even when I don't say anything haha

But I do hope for a quick resolution.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 10, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

But I do hope for a quick resolution.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 10, 2011 2:06 PM |

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COSIGN playaction !

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Do you really believe that?

As out of touch with reality as the owners and players are, even those fools wouldn't kill the golden goose just b/c it doesn't also crap diamonds.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse
cosign, p1

Posted by: frediefritz | January 10, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Arizona Shooting Suspect to Face Judge

Will the judge be allowed to shoot at him?

Just askin'...

Posted by: MistaMoe
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Judge should just give the sentencing over to Sheriff Joe Arpaio, he'll come up with something creative.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 10, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"and now we find out that snyder hasn't turned over complete football operations to his FO"

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 1:44 PM

Show me an NFL owner who has ZERO influence over his franchise's football operations and I'll show you an idiot. And most professional sports owners didn't get to where they are by being idiots. An owner should set the tone for his organization by laying out guidelines for his people to follow, and that includes the football side of his franchise. I remember hearing Belichick talk some time ago about how the Patriots would not draft certain players because Kraft had made it known that he did not want players with serious behavioral issues on his team.

Tell me that Snyder is "controlling" his front office to the extent of setting general guidelines and establishing an atmosphere in which his employees can be successful, and I'll say "Great, that's what he should be doing." Show me that he's usurping his coaches' and GM's authority by evaluating players and making personnel decisions based on those evaluations, and I'll start to worry that the bad old days have returned.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 10, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Moe, that's why I said almost, I REALLLLLY don't feel sorry for Snyder.

As far as the rift,IMO, Snyder realized that he gave up too much power to get Shanahan, saw how Shanahan ran the team and as is his way is now trying to get the power back, perhaps. We've seen this time and again. He did undercut even Gibbs with Saunders, so Snyder is capable of it.

It could be a rumour, BUT if it's only that, why would it even come out?

But, you know what-this is what this franchise gets, the higher ups are far too fond of leaking info. instead of being straight up. I thought this stuff would stop after the season, but someone at Redskins Park really likes to leak stuff.
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@dcsween- Ayers isn't supposed to be a top ten pick, so we might be reaching to pick him 10th. Personally, I like Ayers he runs around and hits people-ya' gotta love that. I do think that Bruce Carter, the Tarheel LB is better athlete though.

The Skins' have to hope that some team loves someone in the top ten enough to want to come up to get him. That way, we could trade down a lil' bit pick-up one of these guys or Wisniewski, the Penn State G/C.
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@ Zeke

Wouldn't it be nice if for one time Snyder tried the traditional NFL model? Acquire the GM and let HIM select the coach. I don't know if Snyder is stupid or stubborn, but he's tried it his way since 1999 & as we all know, flopped.

Did he do his homework with Shanahan? Who knows? Did he ask Shanahan his theories about defense? Personnel? Anything?

Oh well, Snyder wouldn't have to do any of this if he would get a strong GM, which he won't....yet.

I'm like the rest of you, I just don't get Snyder. Even after 12 years, his decision-making is a pure mystery. H.P. Lovecraft has nothing on this guy.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 10, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse


uh oh, hess is having a reading glasses meltdown. my apologies are in order playaction.

p1, please don't jump my ass for posting to your comments, thanks in advance

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

@cL - No matter when the CBA is renewed, the draft will still be there.

With that being said,

http://nflmocks.com/2011/01/10/2011-nfl-draft-scouting-report-blaine-gabbert-mizzou-2/

How can you NOT like this dude. No way he is there @ #10...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 10, 2011 1:57 PM
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He'll be there and Washington should give him a miss. The guy is a project who may or may not pan out. They'd be safer to wait late in the draft to pick a QB, if at all. Pat Devlin? Andy Dalton? Ben Chappell? I'd take a swing at one of those guys if they fall far enough. At the top of the draft Washington needs to focus on the big nose tackles and offensive linemen.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Arizona Shooting Suspect to Face Judge

Will the judge be allowed to shoot at him?

Just askin'...

Posted by: MistaMoe
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Judge should just give the sentencing over to Sheriff Joe Arpaio, he'll come up with something creative.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 10, 2011 2:14 PM |

In prison, there are hierarchies as everyone knows. On the very bottom are the convicts that hurt women and kids. This punk should be the scourge of any penitentiary he's committed to. Unfortunately, with one of his victims being a Federal judge, he'll probably be lauded for his crimes.

If it were me, I would identify the biggest, baddest dude in the facility and offer him 200 cartons of cigarettes and a lifetime supply of KY to gangbang him in a manner that would make Jenna Jameson blush and then light him on fire before hanging him from the tier.

But that's just me.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 10, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

You're an idiot but, they're are slightly bigger idiots on this blog.

The JETS won because they invested in the OL and their OL won the game...They won despite of Sanchez.

Posted by: Diesel44 |

My man, when referring to someone as an idiot - which I love doing too - make sure you demonstrate your grasp of they're/their/there first.

It tends to look bad.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 10, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I understand that the season is over for us but there is nothing happening at Redkin park that they can report?...Damn!

Posted by: wattsicon | January 10, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse


Personal_Fowl

we didn't expect anything less from you

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

@rufus_t:
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It's not that Snyder should have no opinion, but that he should not meddle so much. He's a meddler.

I don't think I've ever seen a team owner on a NFL TV commercial other than Snyder.

Let me ask you this-could Snyder be Robert Kraft, the Patriots team owner?

You know, let Belichick get most of the credit & glory for building the Patriots into SB contenders while collecting rings & money?

Something tells me nope-Snyder would be so determined to get his 'propers' that he wouldn't rest unless the world knew he had something to do with the team's success.

Snyder refuses to trust that if the team wins-he'll get his share of the glory.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 10, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, would you say miller is worth the num 10 pick? id love to have to beast OLBs..hope we can get Ngata in Fa

Posted by: zorn_sucks | January 10, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse


Personal_Fowl

we didn't expect anything less from you

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 2:28 PM |

Thanks you dive ass hooker.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 10, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

As out of touch with reality as the owners and players are, even those fools wouldn't kill the golden goose just b/c it doesn't also crap diamonds.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 1:54 PM

If this logic prevailed then there never would be a strike or a lockout anywhere, anytime.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 10, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse


Snyder refuses to trust that if the team wins-he'll get his share of the glory.


Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 10, 2011 2:29 PM |

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agree and well said

Posted by: hessone | January 10, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Come to think of it, maybe Shanahan should be making as much noise as he can right now about drafting a QB. Maybe it will force the hand of some teams drafting lower than Washington to trade up and have a player slide to us. I don't normally suggest copying Vinny Cerrato, but didn't Vinny do this when drafting Orakpo? He made noise about Sanchez, and then the Jets traded up to get him. The rest of the teams stuck to their projections and Orakpo fell in Washington's lap.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Just crested 600 comments on this rotting corpse of a thread.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 10, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

really hope we can land von miller..him and rak would be a top tier tandem for the 3-4 for years to come..also like aj green but not sure hell be there

Posted by: zorn_sucks
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Von Miller is rush LB who's best going forward.
Robert Quinn is a DL, that if the Skins took him would be a DE not a LB.

Miller would be cool with the Skins and worthy of being the 10th pick, but the coaches would have to work on his coverage. That's why I like Bruce Carter, the Tarheel LB- they are playing a 4-3 down there with the Tarheels and all of their LBs play like traditional LBs-run, hit and cover. Carter is more well rounded than Miller. He would also be worthy of the 10th pick.

Miller to me, is better off as a 4-3 rush end-think Trent Cole with the Eagles or Cameron Webb with the Dolphins, or Freeney with the Colts.
Not that there's a damn thing wrong with that.

We already have too many guys that are too limited at LB-too many who can do 'this'
,but not 'that'. So I would pass on Miller, but that's just me.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 10, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The Wish list:

1. Andrew Luck* QB Stanford 98
2. Da'Quan Bowers* DE Clemson 97
3. Nick Fairley DT Auburn 97
4. Patrick Peterson* CB LSU 97
5. A.J. Green* WR Georgia 97
6. Robert Quinn* DE N. Carolina 96
7. Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska 96
8. Marcell Dareus* DT Alabama 96
9. Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa 95
10. Stephen Paea DT Oregon State 95

Any of the highlighted players will satisfy this playa.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

As out of touch with reality as the owners and players are, even those fools wouldn't kill the golden goose just b/c it doesn't also crap diamonds.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 1:54 PM

If this logic prevailed then there never would be a strike or a lockout anywhere, anytime.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 10, 2011 2:31 PM
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Have to agree, beep. It's not rational negotiating, and it won't do anyone any good, but it sometimes boils down to "If I can't get what I want then no one will get what they want". Personally, I think the owners have a bad deal right now and are trying to fix it, but they are asking for way too many changes: 18 game season, rookie salary caps, lowering the percentage of television revenue shared, revised salary cap structure, etc. Maybe some of these "wants" are sacrifical lambs, but I haven't seen any loosening of the terms yet. Meanwhile, the players would be happy to play another year under the current contract (which does suggest it is kind of tilted in their favor).

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"It is also obvious ...."

Posted by: TheCork | January 10, 2011 7:51 AM

obvious = something Cork believes and asserts rather than demonstrates

Posted by: beep-beep


Tell you what else is obvious. It's kinda gutless when you SO cut down the post you are referring to that it tends to inflate the alleged value of your own snarkism/cheap shot.

As far as any reader could tell from your excerpt of my post, I could have said "it is obvious the moon is made of green cheese" or "It is obvious beep-beep is always profound."

Here's what I DID post:

"But one thing is obvious. Rather than jump to the 3-4, the Redskins should have eased into it, since their needs are everywhere."

I argue it is obvious they tried to do too much this year and it is obvious their needs are everywhere (ten players at least), and it is obvious--to me anyway--that the smarter readers here don't need everything spelled out for them.

I argue the truth is obvious to all but the addlepated. After all, the defense went from consistently top ten to 31 out of 32 in the NFL. It couldn't stop the run. It couldn't stop the pass. It couldn't stop winning drives.

What it DID stop was production from Haynesworth and Andre Carter, to name two. And a year later, it still needs two linemen, two linebackers, and two DBs added.

Meanwhile the eternally understaffed OLine needs 3 or 4 additions, and the squad could use a QB and mebbe another receiver.

I'll go one step further--that's VERY OBVIOUS.

Posted by: TheCork | January 10, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

A little fact not mentioned in the silly football highlight shows yesterday:

Rushing Games Rise for the Playoffs
By JUDY BATTISTA

Although the N.F.L. set a record for passing touchdowns this season, teams that can run the ball and stop the run still have the best chance to advance.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Just crested 600 comments on this rotting corpse of a thread.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 10, 2011 2:42 PM
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Don't worry about it. Just read the stuff everyone posts from other locations, and it will be just like WaPO posting another article. Besides, don't you find the snappy banter from your fellow posters more interesting than a "sun will rise tomorrow" post from J. Reid?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

they're/their/there

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 10, 2011 2:26 PM

This is definitely your kryptonite PF...it can stop you in your tracks at any time haha

Posted by: PlayAction | January 10, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

It's kinda gutless when you SO cut down the post you are referring to that it tends to inflate the alleged value of your own snarkism/cheap shot.

Posted by: TheCork | January 10, 2011 2:50 PM |

Hey, stinkweed, every other word in your post was "obvious." I simply cut it down to the essence -- you think everything is obvious. It's obvious you can't argue anything, just assert it.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 10, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Agree that we should've waited on the 3-4, but Haynesworth stopped himself, and Carter's a ham sandwich without Haynesworth and Po.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 10, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Anyone thinking firing Shanny after next year is just as bad as Snyder, you can't win in this league with out continuity.

Posted by: Flounder21

I believe the last "Continuity" the redskins had was year after year of Norval Turner. How'd that work out for everyone?

Coaches should get at least a couple of years. You can probably get an indication after two years whether or not the Supertanker is at least being steered away from the shoals, even if it hasn't cleared them yet.

Maybe the team wouldn't have been in this decade long mess if Snyder had applied that theory to Marty S.

Posted by: TheCork | January 10, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

zezcrest wrote:
How is abiding by the terms set forth in a contract and operating within the parameters of said agreement "screwing" anyone?

You're telling me this organization should cater to the needs of Fletcher Smith/McDoosh....just because?

Never happen.

___________________________________________

Can you be so shortsighted that you cannot see that the appearance is that they pretended to want McNabb only to hang on to him in a stupid attempt to drag this on into training camp just to potentially get a 5th or 6th round pick. McNabb is extremely popular especially with African American players and to screw him around for the sake of getting what they will be able to get is just stupid. They could have gotten more, but they leaked things about his character and work ethic to the media to justify his benching.

Posted by: impartial1 | January 10, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I have been watching the Tigers forever, I have never seen Bowers have a dominant game. I haven't really ever seen him make a play. I don't know how Bowers has jumped up in the draft the way he has. The last "can't miss" ACC DE was Mario Williams, who's just average.
The last one who didn't miss was Julius Peppers. I see Bowers as a hype pick.

I want to like Quinn, but he was suspended the whole year because of Marvin Austin's big mouth while clubbing in Miami. From what I remember of his play two years ago, he was better and more active, way more active than Austin, who was more heralded.

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BTW-Hess, thanks I'm trying to keep the post more succint.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 10, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Moe, on rushing and stopping the rush:

1. You're taking your wisdom from a girl.

2. Caldwell said the same thing last week and they lost to the Jets.

3. I completely agree with the girl and Caldwell. Its right up there with "defenses win playoff games."

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

they're/their/there

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 10, 2011 2:26 PM

This is definitely your kryptonite PF...it can stop you in your tracks at any time haha

Posted by: PlayAction | January 10, 2011 2:56 PM |

You're almost onto something.

Dumb people stop most good things - in their tracks - at any time.

Congratulations, son.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 10, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Armchair/zornsucks ... I dunno ... my main thing is to want to have an OLB bookend to be opposite Orakpo ... make QBs step up into the pocket at least. Btwn Romo, Vick, and Eli, Skins need outside pressure to keep those guys in a face-to-face discussion with the turf.

Question: Is Suggs locked into a long term contract?

Frankly, if they don't draft the top OLB/DE available, someone like Suggs or LAMARR WOODLEY is who would fit that need.

Also, whatever happened to Adalius Thomas? Did he just rot and die in New England?

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Dumb people stop most good things - in their tracks - at any time.
___________________

Dumb people bad!

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 10, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the team wouldn't have been in this decade long mess if Snyder had applied that theory to Marty S.

Posted by: TheCork | January 10, 2011 2:58 PM
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Snyder didn't know he had it so good with Marty, did he? Marty was a good coach, teacher and evaluator of talent. The one thing Marty wasn't was an innovator, and that eventually caught up with him in San Diego. Still, don't you think it is interesting to compare the Schotz with the Shan-man? They are very much alike: both control freaks, both rigid disciplinarians, both older than Methuselah... It makes me wonder how Snyder really perceives Shanahan. Lucky for Shanahan "the old ball coach" doesn't want to come back to professional football...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

On trade rumors: let's not forget that there cannot be any trades until CBA is resolved. So let's set these aside for 5 months or so until they are relevant again.

Posted by: zornskins2 | January 10, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Report of Shanahan-Snyder rift flimsy

Jan 10th, 2011 by Rich Tandler.

Slipped into the middle of a long article on the National Football Post by Chicago Tribune writer Dan Pompei is the following chunk of speculation:

*There appear to be some cracks in the relationship between Redskins owner Dan Snyder and head coach Mike Shanahan and general manager Bruce Allen, according to those familiar with the goings on at Redskins Park. And that might mean Shanahan and Allen better win in 2011 if they want to be around in 2012.

That’s it. Only a vague source is cited, no details, no reason given for the supposed rift. Basically it’s a nothing sandwich.

But the NFP is a fairly popular site and all of a sudden Pompei’s throwaway comment is the topic for discussion on Twitter and on message boards and it has been picked up by some of the aggregators out there. So it moves beyond gossip and gains a foothold of legitimacy.

Late in the season after Donovan McNabb was benched, there were reports that Snyder and Shanahan weren’t speaking to each other. A few days later, I saw them having an extended conversation while they were walking in from the practice field together. So much for that.

I think that most of you who read this blog are fairly educated consumers of news. I wish that writers like Pompei, who is well established and has been covering the NFL for more than 25 years, would be more responsible purveyors of news.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 10, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Ngata and Fat Albert are two totally different players. For one, Ngata is taylor made for the 3-4. Also, he can play nose and end (on both sides). ALSO, he is a great character guy. He's not old. He's enormous. I wouldn't be opposed to the Skins giving him a huge contract. It's obvious that the old Skins regeme didn't do their do diligence with Haynesworth. Ngata would be perfect for our 3-4. If he's available, I hope we aggressively go after him. IMO

Posted by: hall_j | January 10, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The Black Eyed Peas will announce the new CBA during the halftime show at the Superbowl...in a song

Posted by: PlayAction | January 10, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Still, don't you think it is interesting to compare the Schotz with the Shan-man? They are very much alike: both control freaks, both rigid disciplinarians, both older than Methuselah...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 3:13 PM

I don't see Shanahan and Schotty in the same light.

Schottenheimer took his act to 4 different teams. Let's throw out the Skins, where he only got 1 season (and it wasn't a losing season!).

Everywhere else Marty went, he posted double-digit wins in 2 or 3 seasons.

He also had winning seasons in his final 3 years everwhere he went...except for a 7-9 season in his last year in KC. 8 out of 9 years of winning records in his last 3 years with each team.

Marty proved he can flat out turn a team around.

Outside of the Elway years, I'd say Shanahan's record is very comparable to one Norval Turner.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The only thing I am not sure about is whether NFL teams can trade picks for picks straight up (I believe so). However, teams cannot trade picks for players.

So absent mortgaging the future again (by giving up 2012 picks for example), the Redskins cannot improve (or worsen) their current set of selections in the NFL draft. So all this talk of giving teams player X and Y to move up in the draft are just by folks who don't know the rules.

Posted by: zornskins2 | January 10, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS LOOKING AT FAVRE

ASHBURN, VA -- Rumors out of Redskins Park this afternoon indicate the Washington Redskins are giving serious consideration to making a run at Brett Favre -- that is, if they can lure him out of retirement one more time.

According to our sources, while the Redskins have no real interest in actually playing the future hall of fame quarterback in next year's team -- they still believe Favre would be a highly recognizable "face" for the team's annual club seat marketing campaign -- which has been tentatively dubbed, "R'nt U Even A Wee Bit Excited?"

Posted by: Vic1 | January 10, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

*Everywhere else Marty went, he posted double-digit wins in 2 or 3 seasons.


Should read: Everywhere else Marty went, he posted double-digit wins in his 2nd or 3rd season there.

Overall, he had 11 seasons of double-digit wins and had each team in the playoffs by his 2nd or 3rd season there.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

thanks guys for making my monday a little less boring! jreid is slacking today..and yesterday..and the day before

Posted by: zorn_sucks | January 10, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Never underestimate the potential for Snyder to screw things up.

Posted by: skinswest | January 10, 2011 12:52 PM
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This brought to you by the same people who brought you "Brandon Marshall to the Redskins" and "Colt Brennan is the Redskins Future Quarterback". I don't believe a word. It's somebody trying to stir things up.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2011 1:18 PM

Perhaps, but I stand by my statement none the less.

Posted by: skinswest | January 10, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

You gotta love going into the office bathroom and leaving some floaters so for the rest of the day everyone is left wondering who the mystery pooper is.

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 10, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Moe, on rushing and stopping the rush:

1. You're taking your wisdom from a girl.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 3:05 PM


Ron Franklin, is that you?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 10, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

You're taking your wisdom from a girl.


Moe: Explain how I can make your lovemaking better.

mrsmoe: Okay.

Stop knocking on the door and interrupting me while I'm having it.

Moe: What can I do to get more love from you?

mrsmoe: You know my favorite song--"No Romance Without Finance."

You got to have a j.o.b. if you want to be with me.

Every girl knows that song.

And it's the only advice any real man needs to follow.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Should read: Everywhere else Marty went, he posted double-digit wins in his 2nd or 3rd season there.

Overall, he had 11 seasons of double-digit wins and had each team in the playoffs by his 2nd or 3rd season there.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 3:47 PM |

Great however he could never win a SB,and he got fired after a 14-2 season because of it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

NPI/PF/B1tchTits-

Thanks for taking the time out of your self-important life to provide a grammar lesson on a blog riddled with mistakes.

To be fair if you checked the time stamp of that post. It came after a night you could only dream of. So eyes on the prize...Get back to your cube, 5:00PM is approaching and those TPS reports aren't going to type themselves.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Great however he could never win a SB,and he got fired after a 14-2 season because of it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2011 4:00 PM

Norval has never won a SB either, and he still toils away as a head coach.

Like I said, take away the Elway years and Shanny is very comparable so Shanny. Except Norval has a 4-4 playoff record over the last 11 years, and Shanny is 1-3.

Norval's been fired twice since then, and Shanny once.

Very comparable.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

NPI/PF/B1tchTits-

Thanks for taking the time out of your self-important life to provide a grammar lesson on a blog riddled with mistakes.

To be fair if you checked the time stamp of that post. It came after a night you could only dream of. So eyes on the prize...Get back to your cube, 5:00PM is approaching and those TPS reports aren't going to type themselves.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2011 4:01 PM |

You're an idiot. I couldn't care less about the grammar of the majority here who can't even tell time. My point that you whiffed on was that when calling someone else an idiot - try not to spell like an idiot.

You're point falls flatter than Colista Flockhart's chest.

(owned)

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 10, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Norval has never won a SB either, and he still toils away as a head coach.

Like I said, take away the Elway years and Shanny is very comparable so Shanny. Except Norval has a 4-4 playoff record over the last 11 years, and Shanny is 1-3.

Norval's been fired twice since then, and Shanny once.

Very comparable.


Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 4:05 PM

This is stupid you can't take away the Elway years for one, besides Elway Shanny built the team that won the SB's, Elway never won one before that.

Shanny is a better coach then both Shott and Norv end of discussion.

Take away the Brady years and BB is not a great coach.

Take away the Bradshaw years and Chuck Knoll is an average head coach

Take away Bart Starr and Vince Lombardi is an average coach

You get the picture?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

You're point falls flatter than Colista Flockhart's chest.

(owned)

Posted by: Personal_Fowl

It is impossible to 'own' anyone with an argument that features Calista Flockhart reference.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 10, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

try not to spell like an idiot.

(owned)

Posted by: Personal_Fowl
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Actually, he didn't spell "they're" incorrectly.

(ownership forfeited)

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 10, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

really? colista flockhart chest jokes? What is this 1996?

Posted by: DixonTheDog | January 10, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

As out of touch with reality as the owners and players are, even those fools wouldn't kill the golden goose just b/c it doesn't also crap diamonds.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 1:54 PM

If this logic prevailed then there never would be a strike or a lockout anywhere, anytime.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 10, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse


Really?

So the NHL was the equivalent of a golden goose?

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Six hundred forty third!

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

No Redskins Insider updates for 3 days... vacation, or lack of news?

I'd love more speculation on college prospects, the viability of the 2011 season... anything. I've started going elsewhere to get my 'skins fix.

Posted by: KellyInBC | January 10, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21:

"Shanny is a better coach then both Shott and Norv end of discussion."

Shanny WAS a better coach than them at some point. But that time is passed.

The last time Shanny was the better coach, Evander Holyfield was the heavyweight champ. Phil Jackson was coaching the Bulls and Micahel Jordan was still winnning NBA championships.

Phil Jackson went to another team and won 5 more NBA championships since Shanahan's last SB. Jackson would get in the NBA HOF just for what he's done since Shanahan's last SB.

Keep living in the past, but just don't be disappointed when Shanahan continues his post-Elway record.


Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Two thoughts...

1) I wonder if Big Genius and McNabb's agent are still hoping to meet soon.

2) Kevin Kolb says he wants to be traded somewhere he can start. Think he'd be a good fit for Shanny's offense? What do you think he's worth - a 2nd and 3rd...2nd and 4th?...just sayin'...

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

B1tchTits-

The only thing you own is a tired act, a lifetime of failings, and a laundry list of shortcomings that are even apparent on an anonymous blog.

Now own that.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Two thoughts...

1) I wonder if Big Genius and McNabb's agent are still hoping to meet soon.

2) Kevin Kolb says he wants to be traded somewhere he can start. Think he'd be a good fit for Shanny's offense? What do you think he's worth - a 2nd and 3rd...2nd and 4th?...just sayin'...

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 4:29 PM |

They're going to want 2 #1's.

Book it.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 10, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

That’s it. Only a vague source is cited, no details, no reason given for the supposed rift. Basically it’s a nothing sandwich.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 10, 2011 3:29 PM

Nothing sandwich. The story of so many Skins trades that were SUPPOSED TO have included a ham sandwich.

Back onto my latest genius idea - Adalius Thomas - think about it. He has the potential to follow the same career trajectory as DeAngelo Hall:

Hall = Altanta (exciting up-and-comer) -> Oakland (overhyped free agent that just doesn't work out) -> Skins (redemption)

Thomas = Baltimore -> New England -> Skins (all the same parentheticals)

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Oops ... just realized that Adalius Thomas didn't play this season and would be an 11th season vet next year.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

They're going to want 2 #1's.

Book it.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 10, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse


I'll pee in their mailbox twice.

Book it.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Can someone at Wapo get J Reid to put down the fork and get back to work? Or, better yet, let someone else take over RI.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | January 10, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Back onto my latest genius idea - Adalius Thomas - think about it. He has the potential to follow the same career trajectory as DeAngelo Hall:

Hall = Altanta (exciting up-and-comer) -> Oakland (overhyped free agent that just doesn't work out) -> Skins (redemption)

Thomas = Baltimore -> New England -> Skins (all the same parentheticals)

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse


Adalius is 30-something...doesn't really fit the mold.

The real "genius" reclamation project would have been to land Shawne Merriman - DC native in need of a fresh start.

Instead the Bills got him for 2 years and 5.25 mill.

Posted by: p1funk | January 10, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Keep living in the past, but just don't be disappointed when Shanahan continues his post-Elway record.


Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 4:28 PM |

Do you make this sh-t up in your head?

Shott had 4 winning season since 1997 including 0 playoff wins and hasn't coached since 2006.

Shanny has 8 winning season, 8 playoff wins and 2 SB wins in that same time period.

Norv has 5 winning season since 1994 including 4 playoff wins, He has had 3 winning season in San Diego but they always start slow and suck in the playoffs until Norv wins a SB he should not even be metioned in this discussion.

Comparing Basketball coaches to Football coaches is retarded considering the differences in the sport.

Phil jackson has coached arguably the two greatest basketball players in history.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I wish $nyder was sick of Shanahans b.s. I know the players aren't but 25 will be pissed that they bought in and still aren't 'good enough' for him and his son while Lichtenstieger and Grossman get room to grow.

Keep GM Allen, rid yourself of Shanahan and bring in Mornigwheg. Make either Haslet or Morningwheg the HC.

I know that is too much like Cerato's M.O. but Shanahan will lose this team before he rebuilds it to 9-7. There is little wrong with his scheme but plenty wrong with the man.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 10, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I know that is too much like Cerato's M.O. but Shanahan will lose this team before he rebuilds it to 9-7. There is little wrong with his scheme but plenty wrong with the man.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 10, 2011 4:50 PM |

Shanny isn't going to lose anything he needed to be a a$$ this year to change the culture of this team and it's crybaby players.

Shanny was voted the 6th coach in the NFL that most players would want to play for.

Other names on that list ahead of him were of the same hard a$$ mold.

Just because some whiny fans think he is being to hard on the poor millionaires doesn't mean the men in the NFL feel that way.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Flounder those are some seriously skewed numbers. What has Shanahan done without Elway? We're only talking this millenium.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 10, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Phil jackson has coached arguably the two greatest basketball players in history.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2011 4:46 PM

They never won anything without him (sound familiar?).

The last time Shanny won a SB, McNabb was still playing for Syracuse.

Norval has a better playoff record than Shanny since Elway retired.

Funny how many people are ready to accept that McNabb (10-8 career playoff record) may be washed up after watching him play 13 games this year, but they can't imagine that Shanny (1-4 plaoff record since McNabb got drafted) might be washed up too.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

dixonthedog

You gotta love going into the office bathroom and leaving some floaters so for the rest of the day everyone is left wondering who the mystery pooper is.


Farting just as you leave the elevator is just as bad as the doors close, and the folks inside get a sulphurous ride while your silent but deadly skunk spray chokes them to death as they glide to the 4th floor.

Book it!!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

dixonthedog

You gotta love going into the office bathroom and leaving some floaters so for the rest of the day everyone is left wondering who the mystery pooper is.


Farting just as you leave the elevator is just as bad as the doors close, and the folks inside get a sulphurous ride while your silent but deadly skunk spray chokes them to death as they glide to the 4th floor.

Book it!!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Flounder,

My point is that the same guys who want to play for him are the guys he doesn't want to play for him. When guys like McNabb don't make the cut it sets off a warning to the guys. Then this offseason there will 25 guys who had bought in only to be replaced by less talented guys - M. Shanahan guys.

The remaining 10-15 guys who bought in now have to rebuild with the coach who can't do it. Blame goes everywhere but the top. The next time it will be on the guys who are left over.

Shanahans last playoff victory was one week after Joe Gibbs. His last playoff loss - nearly two years before Gibbs last loss. He is no longer a good coach. His scheme is fine but is act will wear thin before this mess in turned around.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 10, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

....get J Reid to put down the fork and get back to work?


Reid's been invisible since the Haynesworth suspension.

Maybe, like Janet and Micheal Jackson, they're the same woman, er, man, er, woman-man.

Damn: I so confused........

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

beep beep at last ... but you might to want to go there

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 10, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

On that reported rift between Dan Snyder and Mike Shanahan. Dan Snyder needed Shanahan to pick him up on the $43,000,000 Albert Haynesworth blunder, not to pour salt in the wound. Sure, Haynesworth is a fat turd, a cancer on the team, a pariah if you will. Bill Belichick would've put lipstick, rouge, and dress on him and got 1st and 2nd rounders in exchange. The Vikings sent a third-round pick to the Patriots in return for Randy Moss, whom Derrell Revis deemed a turd. Belichick is still praising Randy Moss! Publically kicking Albert’s fat sorry butt all year then releasing him and getting nothing in return is just bad business from a man given final say on all personnel moves.

Mike Shanahan is a good coach, I think the team responded well to him down the stretch. But as a business man………?

Posted by: deshackleford | January 10, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

OK, move it over to the next thread, chop chop ... wait, strike that ... can someone please report abuse on this one?

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

That was terrible.

Posted by: edvar | January 10, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

who yall got in the BCS title game??

Posted by: PardenMiSwage | January 10, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Well, I guess someone at WaPo came to his or her senses and deleted that other post.


The end of halftime was the best thing we'll see all night. Not ashamed to say I got a little choked up watching those men reunite with their families.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 10, 2011 10:35 PM | Report abuse

What the...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2011 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Back to old thread... cool!

Diesel,

My main point is that Shanahan is a formerly good coach who is spent, and you can't satisfactorily refute that.

You think it's unfair for me to compare Shanahan to Norv since Shanahan won Super Bowls, so I'll move away from the comparison (although I'm convinced his post-Elway history makes it a valid comparison... Shanahan's magic ran out when Elway's magic ran out).

Let's go with the more favorable comparison to 2 time SB winner Tom Landry.

There are 12 coaches with 2 Super Bowl wins. Shanahan and Lanrey are the only members of that elite dozen to be fired by the team they won SBs for.

Landry was fired 11 years after his SB, and Shanahan was fired 10 years after his last SB.

Landry was a great coach in his prime, as was Shanahan for a few shining years.

Landry was fired after 6 years of missing the playoffs... Shanahan was fired after winning exactly 1 playoff game in 10 years.

My position is that Landry was spent by the time he was fired--he was not longer the coach he used to be. I have every reason to believe Shanahan is spent, too.

That's my opinion, and so far nothing Shanahan has done or anyone here has said has cast doubt on that.

You makes a valiant attempt to defend Shanahan... nice, but not compelling.

One playoff win in his last 11 years? Very weak.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Ok Buffalo Alan-

Let's get rid of Shanahan 1 YR into a FIVE YR contract because he went 6-10 this YR after inheriting a 4-12 team with VERY LITTLE talent, the worst FA in the history of FA, and missing a 3rd RD pick. After all the last of his THREE Super Bowls were 12 YRs ago and he went 91-69 after being the best at his profession.

It's clear to me Buffalo Alan that you've never accomplished anything in your 10, 20, 30+ YRs in your profession or you don't have the professional savvy to leverage those accomplishments in a job interview and are resigned to the fact that you are a failure.

The comparison is being a fortune 32 company that hasn't accomplished anything in 20 YRs and then after being lucky enough to successfully hire a new CEO from another company that was #1 2x in the last 13 YRs and then..... You want to fire him 1 YR into a multi year reclamation project, call him a failure, or discredit the success that he's had.

Besides firing Shanahan, what else would be the reason for your daily assault on Shanahan?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2011 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44,
I'll refrain from exchanging personal insults with you for the time being, because they don't add much to the discussion and I'm sincerely perplexed about why you are so convinced Shanahan still has "it".
I did not support castrating and firing Zorn last year (I thought firing Vinny was a big step in the right direction), and I really don't support firing Shanahan now. The exchange of Zorn for Shanahan, to me, is much like the exchange of Campbell for McNabb--more or less a lateral move at this stage of their careers.
Why my "daily assault", as you call it? Shanahan has exactly 1 playoff win in his last 11 years, and he's getting a pass--treated like an elite coach by people like you because of those old, stale Super Bowls. I don't understand it.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Can the Terps hire Chip Kelly instead? Under Armour U. instead of Nike U.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2011 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow. So now both teams have now come up short on 4th and goal.

Win or lose, Chip Kelly is officially my favorite college football coach. Guy plays to win.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 10, 2011 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Buffalo Alan-

I can't magically transfer logic your way. I'm sorry...if I could I would but once again he's 1 YR into a FIVE YR contract after inheriting a 4-12 team with VERY LITTLE talent, the worst FA in the history of FA, and missing a 3rd RD pick. He made a HUGE mistake by trading for McNabb but he's going to get more than 1 YR to fix the last 10 YRs as far as I'm concerned.

Perhaps you enjoyed the last 10 and would like Shanahan to fail and then we could possibly go back to Snyder's fantasy football ways...Not me.

I don't grade on a curve and I'll give him a C+ for giving us 40+ mil in potential cap space realizing that he made a mistake with McNabb and instead of waiting 2-3 YRs, he admitted it after 13 games. If after 3 YRs we don’t have a competitive team then he will have failed...Not after one.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2011 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Why my "daily assault", as you call it? Shanahan has exactly 1 playoff win in his last 11 years, and he's getting a pass--treated like an elite coach by people like you because of those old, stale Super Bowls. I don't understand it.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 11:04 PM
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I don't grade on a curve and I'll give him a C+ for giving us 40+ mil in potential cap space realizing that he made a mistake with McNabb and instead of waiting 2-3 YRs, he admitted it after 13 games. If after 3 YRs we don’t have a competitive team then he will have failed...Not after one.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2011 11:23 PM |
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It's going to be a long three years. But if that's what it takes for Diesel, it's all worth it. For everybody.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 10, 2011 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Appearing on one of the station’s other shows, Fescoe explained that he received two text messages from patrons of a pizza shop that Weis supposedly frequents. (Fescoe refused to name because he didn’t want to give the place “free advertising.”) According to the persons who sent Fescoe text messages, Weis was openly stating in the unnamed pizza place that the play-calling duties had been yanked from him at halftime.

Fescoe didn’t hear it from Weis, but from two folks who texted him to say that Weis was saying it. And Fescoe then went with it without getting a comment from Weis or from the Chiefs.

this story from pft kinda puts in perspective all the anonymous leaks in redskins park the post reports about

Posted by: hcic55 | January 10, 2011 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Diesel,
Thanks for the coherent explanation, everything you said there actually makes sense. I can understand your perspective. I think the only reason we had this discussion can best be extracted from your own words here:

"Perhaps you enjoyed the last 10 and would like Shanahan to fail and then we could possibly go back to Snyder's fantasy football ways...Not me"

I have NOT enjoyed these last 10 years. What bothers me is Shanahan very much resembles a typical Snyder fantasy football move: Get a high-profile, recognizable, big-name, can't miss superstar whose peaked elsewhere--someone whose last team was quite eager to get rid of him.

Then that former superstar is utter garbage for the Skins.

I'm not calling Shanahan garbage yet, but we've all seen this play over and over ad nauseum with formerly awesome players and coaches.

I hope I'm wrong, but surely you can see that everything about Shanahan fits Snyder's long-established pattern so far. Next year will be telling.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 10, 2011 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton is looking real overrated right about now. I say the MVP is Auburn's O Line, aided by the fact that they are holding like maniacs.

They can Heisman this guy all they want. What I see is a big guy with a bigger head and very suspect passing skills.

I don't think Newton and Luck even play the same position. At least, it sure doesn't look like it, not if somebody thinks this guy deserves the Heisman.

Thank God we wont be picking him.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 10, 2011 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Those anonymous leaks were all from me.

Sorry.

I crave attention.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 10, 2011 11:45 PM | Report abuse

...THREE Super Bowls were 12 YRs ago and he went 91-69 after being the best at his profession.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2011 10:45 PM
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Yeah, it was only 2 Super Bowls as a Head Coach. By your count, Norv Turner has 3 Super Bowls, right?

Elway went to Five.

PS- Cam Newton is choking. If he were faster, I'd call him the next Michael Vick.

I may be switching my MVP pick to the Auburn D Line. Fairley, maybe. Cam Newton has been exposed.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 10, 2011 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Fairley is a beast!!

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2011 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Casey Mathews in 2nd?

Posted by: patljr7 | January 10, 2011 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Alan- Snyder has put himself in a no-win situation. He hires a no-name coach or a guy with a resume that is a no-brainer and he's to blame.

As far as calling you Buffalo Alan, I'm sorry if I found amusement in that, I'm easily amused at times and usually by my own humor.

BTW...Silence of the Lambs was a GREAT movie.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2011 11:54 PM | Report abuse

I think this game actually drops Cam Newton in the draft. He just doesn't seem anywhere near ready to play QB in the NFL.

Posted by: will_ga | January 10, 2011 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is not an athlete, he's a coach. Comparisons of McNabb to Shanahan re: "washed-up" are inane.

Tom Coughlin has had one season with playoff wins since 1999. One season in 11 years. That one season - which came 8 years after his last playoff win - resulted in a Super Bowl title.

Jeff Fisher has exactly 2 playoff wins in the last 11 years. Two wins since 1999, and none since 2003. Two years ago, Jeff Fisher took the Tennessee Titans to the #1 seed in the AFC and a 13-3 record with 37 year-old Kerry Collins as his starting QB. And he turned the notorious headcase of Albert Haynesworth into a DPOY candidate. This man can coach, despite only winning 2 playoff games in 11 years.

Dick Vermeil had 3 playoff wins in 23 years before he took the St. Louis Rams to a Super Bowl title.

Don Shula won consecutive Super Bowls in 1972 and 1973. Then he went 8 straight seasons without winning a playoff game. In his 9th year following his last SB, he finally won a playoff game - and took his team to the Super Bowl.

Marv Levy took his Buffalo Bills to 4 straight Super Bowls in the 90s. The 12 years before Levy did that? He won 1 playoff game. One playoff game in 12 years followed by 4 straight Super Bowl appearances.

Active coaches don't become "spent" unless they lose interest or the desire to be in the game. Shanahan has lost neither.

Yes, Shanahan has not won many playoff games since Elway. That has a lot to do with the fact that his teams only played Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Ben Roethlisberger led teams in the playoffs. A 1-3 record against Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger when your QBs have been Jake Plummer, Brian Griese, and an extremely young Jay Cutler are nothing to be ashamed of.

Context, people. I realized his record as a GM leaves something to be desired, but his record as a coach in all situations is still stellar. Shanahan had 2 losing seasons in Denver in the 14 years he was there. Check out the state of Denver since he was fired.

Posted by: psps23 | January 10, 2011 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to tell Oregon they cannot run in short yardage situations against Auburn.

Is Zorn calling plays?

Portis Left.
Portis Left.
Portis Left.

Season: Over.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 10, 2011 11:57 PM | Report abuse

I may be switching my MVP pick to the Auburn D Line. Fairley, maybe. Cam Newton has been exposed.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 10, 2011 11:52 PM

I don't think he's exposed. He's what a lot of scouts say he is. He'll need time, but he has an intriguing skill set.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2011 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Whoever is calling plays for Oregon seems to have finally figured out that they can win...

If they just play a little smart.

Shovel Pass: Brilliant.

Waggle for 2 pts: Brilliant.

Running up the middle on short yardage: Fire him.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 11, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

That Maehl kid is a baller.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

BTW, this game is turning into a classic.

Only downside is that Cam Newton doesn't look like a franchise QB worthy of being selected 10th overall. I was hoping he would be that guy for us.

Posted by: psps23 | January 11, 2011 12:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm not intrigued.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 11, 2011 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Hate when teams play for the FG.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2011 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I would not be averse to drafting Wes Byrum... if he makes it.

Lord knows we could use a consistent kicker.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 11, 2011 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Oh, never mind. lol.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 11, 2011 12:08 AM | Report abuse

And a freshman Dyer steals the spot light..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 12:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm not intrigued.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 11, 2011 12:04 AM

Noted. You should check Lucks stats against the Oregon defense. The Ducks defense has been slighted this year because of their talent on the offense.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2011 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Byrum to the rescue!! (no pressure)

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 11, 2011 12:10 AM | Report abuse

What a puss. Half-yard line, 10 seconds, timeouts left. Run the ball. Good lord.

Posted by: psps23 | January 11, 2011 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I would not be averse to drafting Wes Byrum... if he makes it.

Lord knows we could use a consistent kicker.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 11, 2011 12:06 AM

I like Henry from Nebraska as either punter or kicker.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2011 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is really having a pretty good year, if you think about it.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 11, 2011 12:13 AM | Report abuse

And for the record Duck's QB Darron Thomas outplayed Newton on the evening, despite the loss.

Once again Cam is not in play for us @ #10. With our many needs drafting a 2-3 YR athletic project at QB would be a HUGE mistake.

Congrats and as called by me...WAR EAGLE.

Player of the game Nick Fairley/Michael Dyer.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Are the college rules for a player being down different than in the NFL?

Because if so, that Auburn dude was down and the reply official totally blew the call. His wrist clearly touched the ground.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 11, 2011 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Over/Under of 3 Years before this championship is vacated.

I'll go with the under.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Check out the state of Denver since he was fired.

Posted by: psps23 | January 10, 2011 11:56 PM

Sometimes rookie HCs struggle for a couple of years...

Shanahan (Raiders):
Year 1: 7-9
Year 2: 1-3 (fired)

Zorn (Redskins)
Year 1: 8-8
Year 2: 4-12 (fired)

McDaniels (Broncos)
Year 1: 8-8
Year 2: 3-9 (fired)

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Who would the shanny doubters rather see as HC, and if people like spags in STL turned us down, why would they want to come here?

Posted by: hcic55 | January 11, 2011 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes rookie HCs struggle for a couple of years...

Shanahan (Raiders):
Year 1: 7-9
Year 2: 1-3 (fired)

Zorn (Redskins)
Year 1: 8-8
Year 2: 4-12 (fired)

McDaniels (Broncos)
Year 1: 8-8
Year 2: 3-9 (fired)

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 12:29 AM

And sometimes they go on to win TWO super bowls..OK Buffalo Alan..hold your breath until Zorn and McDaniels do and your point will be validated.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 12:42 AM | Report abuse

cam newton IS JAMARCUS RUSSEL JR!! He will be a waste of a 1st rd pick!

Posted by: warriorking111285 | January 11, 2011 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Since Luck is out of the picture (wouldn't have got him anyway), I'm sticking with best DE/DT available at ten, maybe even trade down, and then Andy Dalton in the 2nd round. Newton/Locher/Mallett too risky at #10. Don't have a good feeling about any of them.

Posted by: bones21 | January 11, 2011 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Alan, you really don't like to use context, do you?

Shanahan took over a 5-10 Raiders team and went 7-9 in his rookie year.

Zorn took over a 9-7 team and went 8-8, then 4-12.

McDaniels took over a 9-7 team and went 8-8, then 3-9.

Shanahan was fired because of a tiff with his owner, not because he struggled. Davis and Shanahan hated each other. Zorn and McDaniels were fired for performance reasons.

Regardless, maybe McDaniels and Zorn win a super bowl or two 10 years down the road like Shanahan; that does not and will not make any difference with respect to Shanahan's ability as a coach right now. It's a complete deflection from the issue at hand. You got any experience in politics, Alan?

Posted by: psps23 | January 11, 2011 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Thoughts on the BCS game...

As many have already said, I was not impressed with Newton at all. Great college QB in that system, but won't be great in NFL (if he even survives a full season - he takes waaayyy too many hard hits).

Fairley is the real deal, but won't be there when we pick. Casey Matthews (the ILB from Oregon) would be a great pick in round 3 or 4, but oops, we don't have any picks there (at least not yet - fingers crossed!).

In other Pac-10 news, Jaquizz Rodgers (RB- Oregon State) declared today, and I personally think he'd be a great complimentary back for us (speed + good hands), but again, probably only makes sense as a 3rd or 4th rounder... sigh.

Posted by: PDXskin | January 11, 2011 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Who would the shanny doubters rather see as HC, and if people like spags in STL turned us down, why would they want to come here?

Posted by: hcic55 | January 11, 2011 12:41 AM

Since Shanny's here, I'd like to see him implement his program and see where it goes over the next few years.

In the future though, I hope Snyder will be a little more creative in his job search, and not focus exclusively on re-treads.

Two years ago, the Steelers and the Cardinals played each other in SB XLIII with 2nd year head coaches.

Last year, a 4th year coach beat a 2nd year coach in the SB.

This year, we have a 5th year HC (Carrol-Seahawks), a 2nd year HC (Ryan - Jets), a 3rd year HC (Harbough - Ravens), a 5th year HC (McCarthy - Packers), 3rd year HC (Smith - falcons), 6th year HC (Smith - Bears), 3rd year HC (Tomlin - Steelers), and 16th year HC (Belichick - NE).

All of these HCs, except Carrol and Belichick, were hired as young coaches getting their first HC opportunity with their current team. Carrol is in his 1st year as a NFL HC since 1999. Belichick didn't do anything special with the Browns before the Patriots hired him.

Generally none of these coaches were big name re-treads when they got where they are.

You don't have to have a HOF resume to coach a team to a SB, and it would be nice if Snyder would use due diligence to hire a young coach with potential and his best years still in front of him.

I can't say who that would be at this point, but clearly there are candidates other than the familiar names.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 1:23 AM | Report abuse

correction:
"3rd year HC (Tomlin - Steelers)"
should be

"4th year HC (Tomlin - Steelers)"

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I would not be averse to drafting Wes Byrum... if he makes it.

Lord knows we could use a consistent kicker.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 11, 2011 12:06 AM

I like Henry from Nebraska as either punter or kicker.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2011 12:13 AM |

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OK, fine. Henry it is!

I remember laughing when the Raiders picked Janikowski. Every time he'd miss his first couple years, I'd laugh again.

Now, not so funny. He's quietly put together quite a career. He's durable, he's steady, and luckily, he plays for the Raiders, so he never has to worry about making any big time FGs.

Vinatieri (sp?), though, I mean, Indy wasn't BSing when they stole him from NE. That guy is as clutch as I've ever seen.

Man, the Old Redskins... Mark Mosely. We just took it for granted that kickers were supposed to hit every FG, especially when it counted. Lohmiller, even. Those certainly WERE the days.

Gano? I just worry about that guy. Even though he apparently doesn't.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 11, 2011 3:53 AM | Report abuse

And for the record, since I don't see how anybody can knock Shanny more than I have, I don't think he should be fired. He can do a lot of good.

I give him (or Bruce Allen) credit for clearing cap space.

I give him credit for ditching McNabb sooner, rather than later, however, with the current crop of QBs in the draft, maybe he can smooth things over, because I'm not ready for Rex Grossman to quarterback my team for a year, lol.

I give him credit on guys like Armstrong, Banks (he got lucky there), Torain, Lickmysteiner.

I don't like all his lying. Play it straight with the fans and the players and things will be much better. Gibbs was a master at this. He could bench a guy and tell the media why and the guy would be happy as a clam and the media would be congratulating him. Shanny doesn't have that type of charisma, but if he stops lying, it would really help.

I'm not a big fan of putting your own son at O Coordinator. I get it. I would like that, too. Just something you shouldn't do. Let him be his own man. Makes all decisions questionable. Not worth it, if you're putting "team" first.

The 3-4 defense, yeah, not a big fan. I'll agree that, in theory, it's a better defense simply because it's rare. It's harder for teams to prepare for. But to go from a consistent top 10 D to this? Couldn't it have waited? Couldn't we have stocked our D with 3-4 guys and waited a year or two? I think so. Haslett, I like him, but I'm not convinced of his coaching ability. Obviously, given the results.

Shanahan, I've discovered, is not the genius that WAPO made him out to be. The idea that he was hidden away in a bunker studying film, only to come out and lay various eggs, I find hard to believe.

Can we get an article on why that Irish runt is so damn tan? Please? I mean, while we're on the subject of which non-cheerleader got dismembered and how, how about an article on when and where this guy gets his lobster on.

THAT'S Insider info.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 11, 2011 4:22 AM | Report abuse

You don't have to have a HOF resume to coach a team to a SB, and it would be nice if Snyder would use due diligence to hire a young coach with potential and his best years still in front of him.

I can't say who that would be at this point, but clearly there are candidates other than the familiar names.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 1:23 AM


I'll give you a name: Russ Grimm.

I still believe that if he were to get a legit GM to work with and if he could put together an experienced staff, he could do wonders here. The Redskins' biggest problem is not maintaining an identity and sticking to it. Grimm would get us back to what won here in the past and do it rooted in today's NFL instead of the throwback way Gibbs did it his first couple of years back.

I know it's a pipe dream at this point, but I think it would give us a much better chance to win than the endless pursuit of other people's stars. Shanahan's only chance at success in Washington is if he concentrates on coaching and leaves the GM work to Bruce Allen. Considering the massive ego Shanahan has demonstrated thus far, my guess is that we've got a better chance at getting struck by lightning...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 5:30 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Shanahan has not won many playoff games since Elway. That has a lot to do with the fact that his teams only played Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Ben Roethlisberger led teams in the playoffs. A 1-3 record against Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger when your QBs have been Jake Plummer, Brian Griese, and an extremely young Jay Cutler are nothing to be ashamed of.

Context, people. I realized his record as a GM leaves something to be desired, but his record as a coach in all situations is still stellar. Shanahan had 2 losing seasons in Denver in the 14 years he was there. Check out the state of Denver since he was fired.

Posted by: psps23 | January 10, 2011 11:56 PM


Great post. Easy co-sign.

Whether he turns it around in Washington or not, EVERY coach looks like a genius when he has a HoF QB at his side. Faulting Shanahan for that and totally ignoring that most SB winning coaches have had one is shortsighted at best. Is Belichick considered Lombardi 2.0 if he doesn't have Tom Brady? Doubt it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 5:41 AM | Report abuse

Morning Brown,

I'm glad they took that stupid thread down, what idiots to post that in this forum.

I'm curious why Grimm has not got a head coach job maybe he is a bad interviewer.

Ron Rivera to be named new coach in Carolina.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2011 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Please Gano more black quarterbacks! Make room and let the Shanny geniuses take us all the way! Bruce Allen rub those hands together and brace for the Grossman jersey sales and increased television exposure. And rest assured Haslett will find a slimmed down DT - but more of a character guy - like how you Warrshintonians like em.

Posted by: MikeMIke3 | January 11, 2011 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Hey Flound...co-sign on the deleted thread, can't imagine what the hell they were thinking by putting that up here.

As for Grimm, I don't get it...the guy has been the assistant HC on not one, but TWO teams that have reached the SB. The Steelers O-line hasn't been the same since he left and AZ's line is far better as a unit than the individual talents would suggest. He was a finalist for the Steelers HC gig and was only beaten out by what is likely the best young coach in the league. I don't know if he's not interviewing well or what, but I thought he'd be a mortal lock for the Panthers gig based on what I know they tend to look for in a coach. I'm totally surprised he wasn't even a finalist for the job.

Hopefully it's karma leaving him out there for us...but somehow I think it's something a lot deeper...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 6:40 AM | Report abuse

Any ideas where Casey Matthews will go? He seems to play with the same speed and wreckless abandon as his brother. We need that on D. Not sure if he is 1st round though. Maybe 2nd. I am by no means a college football talent grader so I was wondering what you guys think.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 11, 2011 7:01 AM | Report abuse

How is this missed on the replay review? NCAA rules state any part of the hand on the ground, means you're down?
Dont really care who won.. but, what a bad call against Oregon at the worst time.

http://www.mockdrafthq.com/blog/2011/01/video-proves-auburns-michael-dyer-was-down.html

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 11, 2011 7:13 AM | Report abuse

If Cam Newton remains in school--and maybe he should--who moves into the 'most desired college football slot'?

a. Nick Fairley

b. Jake Locker

c. Justin Blackmon

d. none of the above


Moe rolls with A. Nick Fairley as dude gets pressure on the center of an offensive line play after play.

In a draft stocked with very good defensive lineman, Fairley is the pick of the litter.

Will he be there at pick 10? doubt it

Given Washington's weakness in the defensive line, is he someone worth moving up to acquire? sure


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Given Washington's weakness in the defensive line, is he someone worth moving up to acquire? sure


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 7:24 AM

MistaMoeCerrato --

Given Washington's overall weakness in several areas there is no player worth moving up for. The Cerrato/Snyder era is over. No more big splashes in the draft or in free agency.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Beep, it was made abundantly clear yesterday that Moe welcomes no feedback on his posts unless they consist of such phrases as "100% agree" or "co-sign" or "atta boy" or "yes massa". Disagreement with the almighty Krang makes him grumpy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 7:56 AM | Report abuse

As for Grimm, I don't get it...the guy has been the assistant HC on not one, but TWO teams that have reached the SB. The Steelers O-line hasn't been the same since he left and AZ's line is far better as a unit than the individual talents would suggest. He was a finalist for the Steelers HC gig and was only beaten out by what is likely the best young coach in the league. I don't know if he's not interviewing well or what, but I thought he'd be a mortal lock for the Panthers gig based on what I know they tend to look for in a coach. I'm totally surprised he wasn't even a finalist for the job.

Hopefully it's karma leaving him out there for us...but somehow I think it's something a lot deeper...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 6:40 AM
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Brown, I remember reading some time ago when the Pittsburgh job was open that Grimm was perceived as too chummy with the players. I can imagine in a contract negotiation year how that would be a double strike against him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else see this?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/DeSean-Jackson-questions-Vick-s-decision-not-to-?urn=nfl-305592


I know a lot of folks up here like to play off hindsight and say we should have taken DeSean Jackson instead of MK and/or DT, but this guy looks like TO Jr. in terms of his high on-field impact and high level of disruptive foaming at the mouth off it. He's a dynamic talent, but I wouldn't want that guy on my team AT ALL...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Everybody outta the blog, it's about to explode!!!!!!

Reid must have gotten a cut-n-paste cut and is out 2-3 weeks.

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 8:09 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoeCerrato --

You got the name wrong, son.

It's MaddenGMMOE!!!

We've have a history of great moves and dynamic trades you obviously are unaware of:

--we traded commonsense for dumb ideas

--gimpy ex-Pro Bowl vets are more important to use than some college young'n

--risky moves are our business

--we offer too much money to older players who deserved it years ago

--we enter the draft with about 2 picks every year

--Scott Boras is the only name on our FACEBOOK account

--our sal cap carries more dead weight than Oprah's underwear

--we look the other way when it's obvious that 'riod use is involved and complain loudly when our player is caught by the drug testers

In other words, we aim abit higher in our game than Vinny Cerrato ever did.

Which makes us about as low as the next guy.

Especially if his name is brownwood.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Given Washington's weakness in the defensive line, is he someone worth moving up to acquire? sure


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 7:24 AM

MistaMoeCerrato --

Given Washington's overall weakness in several areas there is no player worth moving up for. The Cerrato/Snyder era is over. No more big splashes in the draft or in free agency.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 7:42 AM
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Yep. Conversely, I think moving down in this draft would be of great benefit as there seem to be a lot of later round offensive and defensive linemen to be had. Of course, every other team in the NFL is looking at the same players and thinking the same thing, so trading down is probably not an option.

Speaking of later round defensive linemen, does anyone know about this nose tackle out of Hampton? It sounds like he has the right body build, but needs to pack on a little more muscle. Might be a later round steal...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Thanks RSH...that's new to me, but it makes all the sense in the world. I've heard the same thing said about Cowher and we all know that Norv is marshmallowey soft, so working for those guys may have rubbed off on Russ. Plus being a former player himself probably doesn't help.

I hope it's something he works out...I still think he's got a lot to offer as a HC, provided he gets the kind of organizational structure the Steelers and Panthers offer.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Thanks RSH...that's new to me, but it makes all the sense in the world. I've heard the same thing said about Cowher and we all know that Norv is marshmallowey soft, so working for those guys may have rubbed off on Russ. Plus being a former player himself probably doesn't help.

I hope it's something he works out...I still think he's got a lot to offer as a HC, provided he gets the kind of organizational structure the Steelers and Panthers offer.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 8:13 AM
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I think he deserves the chance. Right or wrong, I've kind of categorized Grimm as Bugel 2.0. Bugel was chummy with the players and sometimes had discpline issues with players.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

I gots jokes this mornin', son.

I mean no offense.

I feel like a stripper that's been dismembered, mornin'.

Which means my mind and behind are just about everywhere and nowhere at the same time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

So, anything interesting happen in the game last night?

I watched 2 drives and then watched "The Town".

Based on what I'm reading this morning, I think I made the right call.

Took about 55 minutes for the teams to shake off their month-long rust.

(Seriously, college football has by far the WORST ending to its season, with teams waiting 37 days to play. NBA is not too far behind with its 2-month long playoffs.)

Game came down to the zebras having to make some flukey replay ruling.

Cam Newton got exposed as a college running back who also throws a little bit and has zippo future in the NFL as a QB. Hope he's watching tape of Matt Jones or Brad Smith to help him make the leap to the next level.

Can Fairley play NT at 300lbs.?

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

If Cam Newton remains in school--and maybe he should--who moves into the 'most desired college football slot'?

a. Nick Fairley

b. Jake Locker

c. Justin Blackmon

d. none of the above

Goose selects option (a) also, like his play and I was also impressed with the other Mathews kid (later rounds at middle line backer). In my book Shanahan is the man, Kyle is a better offensive coordinator than "Bingo Lewis", and Haslet is working with the pieces he inherited from the last regime. I'm impressed that the front office dedicated 3 picks in last years draft to offensive linemen then made a deal to strengthen the right tackle position.

Obviously some deals do not work out (i.e. D. McNabb). Some people did not like the way McNabb was benched and how it was handled, but the point is that he played awfull and never looked in synch with the offensive system even though he a few games.

As for Haynesworth I would keep him on my team and have him seat on the bench all next season until he comes to the realization that I am wasting the best years of my life by being unproductive and do I want to continue going down that pathway or do I want to be remembered as a football player. You're only young once and he just wasted 1 year in his prime last year.

I think our team is on the right track, just look at the last Giants game. Hell the Giants owned us last 3 years ( can't count back that far; even though we lost we still played them very tough.

Over the years Vinny/Snyder have intoxicated us with selecting flashy free agents, draft picks, and a promise next year was going to be better while neglecting the trench players. With Shanahan/Allen I can see that no longer being a problem. Sure it would be great to have a high number of draft picks right now. Hopefully we will get starters with the first two picks (what positions don't know).

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 11, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

what was the post that they took down, and how bad could it have been, versus this 14 day old 'thing'....

Cam not worth the 10th pick....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2011 8:28 AM | Report abuse

p1, The Town is a GREAT, GREAT movie...

Doug MacRay: I need your help. I can't tell you what it is, you can never ask me about it later, and we're gonna hurt some people.
[Jem pauses to think for a moment]
James Coughlin: Whose car are we gonna take?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

p1, The Town is a GREAT, GREAT movie...

Doug MacRay: I need your help. I can't tell you what it is, you can never ask me about it later, and we're gonna hurt some people.
[Jem pauses to think for a moment]
James Coughlin: Whose car are we gonna take?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

RSH, that might actually be a good comparison...again, a guy he draws some of his experience from so probably not a stretch to think that may be the case. He's probably not the next Lombardi or anything, but I still think he could be better than most.

Moe, no offense taken dude...it's all fun and games as far as I'm concerned. I expect to see a few on the blog get testy the next couple weeks as some Skins fans will doubt go thru the "why not us?" feelings while watching other teams go deep into the playoffs. Take it in stride and enjoy the ride, as I always say...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 8:36 AM | Report abuse

If we don't move back in the draft I like Von Miller or Kerrigan.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 11, 2011 8:36 AM | Report abuse

what was the post that they took down, and how bad could it have been, versus this 14 day old 'thing'....

Cam not worth the 10th pick....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2011 8:28 AM |

The post was about the dismembered girl that was found yesterday, and because she used to be an ambassador for the Skins they thought that was a good thing to post here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2011 8:38 AM | Report abuse

what was the post that they took down, and how bad could it have been, versus this 14 day old 'thing'....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2011 8:28 AM


It was about an exotic dancer that used to work for the Skins getting murdered and chopped to pieces. Totally inappropriate for RI's intended purpose.

On a side note, that's why I never ask the question "how bad could it be?"...you almost never like the answer...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 8:45 AM | Report abuse

ugh, Flound, yeah, no need for that...

on an unrelated note, we're scheduled to get up to 18 inches of snow tonight....hooray...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I thought the best scene was after they go on the long car chase in the nun outfits and they pull up to their last "switch" car thinking they escaped, they jump out of the car still masked and armed to the teeth only to look up and see a police cruiser innocently parked across the street w/ a cop looking a them.

They all stare at each other for a moment like "What now?"

Then the cop just turns around looks away.

No dialogue needed.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2011 8:56 AM | Report abuse

what was the post that they took down

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2011 8:28 AM |

It was about Duke beating Maryland in basketball. A couple of the regulars with Maryland ties -- Diesel, Dealer, p1funk -- were "upset" so they took it down.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

p1, that was pretty funny....I liked how they grab a 10 pound sledge out of the trunk of the car, and call it a 'southie credit card'....film was spot in depicting certain elements of southie....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

As for Haynesworth I would keep him on my team and have him seat on the bench all next season until he comes to the realization that I am wasting the best years of my life by being unproductive and do I want to continue going down that pathway or do I want to be remembered as a football player. You're only young once and he just wasted 1 year in his prime last year.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 11, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

That might work if we were talking about a player that was motivated by winning instead of money. You have to cut ties with him, he's a cancer to this team and needs to be removed!

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

As for Haynesworth I would keep him on my team and have him seat on the bench all next season until he comes to the realization that I am wasting the best years of my life by being unproductive and do I want to continue going down that pathway or do I want to be remembered as a football player. You're only young once and he just wasted 1 year in his prime last year.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 11, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

That might work if we were talking about a player that was motivated by winning instead of money. You have to cut ties with him, he's a cancer to this team and needs to be removed!

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 9:08 AM
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God, I am going to hate myself for this, because it is the second day in the row Monk has said something I actually agree with, but... I agree with Monk on this.

The problem for Haynesworth in Washington is the coaches are in charge, not him. This leads to him having to do all sorts of things that he doesn't want to do - like work, for instance.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 9:21 AM | Report abuse

what was the post that they took down

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2011 8:28 AM |

It was about Duke beating Maryland in basketball. A couple of the regulars with Maryland ties -- Diesel, Dealer, p1funk -- were "upset" so they took it down.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 9:00 AM
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Well, is that really news? That's "dog bites man" kind of stuff, isn't it?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 9:24 AM | Report abuse

That's "dog bites man" kind of stuff, isn't it?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 9:24 AM

Really. I don't know why they even bother to play the games or report the scores. As much news as "Obama wakes up, gets out of bed."

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

big board for the skins..........

1.bowers
2.aj green
3.fairley(if we dont sign ngata)
4.miller

Posted by: zorn_sucks | January 11, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I'd like for the redskins to sign several players that I have never heard of...on the cheap...that are under the rader...mid-twenties...and fit nicely into our systems.

Thank you.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Cam looked pretty good last night. Not nearly as dominate as Fairly, dude was a monster...too bad he plays 4-3.

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 11, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

NO-to Cam Newton, not an NFL caliper QB. and No to any of the QB's in the draft in the first round.

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | January 11, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"Give me Gabbert or Newton, or give me Death."

4thFloor
1/11/11

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I'd like for the redskins to sign several players that I have never heard of...on the cheap...that are under the rader...mid-twenties...and fit nicely into our systems.

Thank you.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 9:39 AM

I agree. I don't want to sign anyone who's already been to a Pro Bowl, only guys who will go to the Pro Bowl as Redskins. Think London Fletcher, not Jason Taylor. I want to pay them for the Pro Bowls they're going to go to, not the ones they've already been to.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"Give me Gabbert or Newton, or give me Death."

4thFloor
1/11/11

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 9:47 AM

This is a man who didn't watch the game last night. Newton can't hit a receiver. If we take him, it should be in the fifth round as a developmental project.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

God, I am going to hate myself for this, because it is the second day in the row Monk has said something I actually agree with, but... I agree with Monk on this.

The problem for Haynesworth in Washington is the coaches are in charge, not him. This leads to him having to do all sorts of things that he doesn't want to do - like work, for instance.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Hey now, I make plenty of good points on here, but people who have already judged me just automatically disregard what I say cause I like to joke around. I'm like 60% schtick, and 40% serious. So don't act so surprised when I say something you guys agree with, even though I've probably NEVER said ANYTHING that beep can agree with! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Give me Gabbert or Newton, or give me Death."

4thFloor
1/11/11

Posted by: 4thFloor

I am with you 4th. Give me Newton man oh I pulling the hammer out and slapping the hell out of everyone.

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 9:39 AM

I agree.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 9:48 AM

I've probably NEVER said ANYTHING that beep can agree with! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 9:53 AM


I regard agreeing with a guy's sock puppet the same as agreeing with the guy. So, I disagree with this post because I agreed with your earlier post.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Seven hundred sixty FIRST.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 11, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I regard agreeing with a guy's sock puppet the same as agreeing with the guy. So, I disagree with this post because I agreed with your earlier post.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 9:57 AM

That just blew my mind. I agree with my sock puppet 60% of the time.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I am with you 4th. Give me Newton man oh I pulling the hammer out and slapping the hell out of everyone.

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 9:53 AM

I'm pretty sure that with the new rules to protect bloggers against concussions that you've got to leave the hammer in the tool box. Worst you can use now is one of those feather dusters, below the neck and above the willy wiggler.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep |

LMAO!!! That is a very good one.

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

NO-to Cam Newton, not an NFL caliper QB. and No to any of the QB's in the draft in the first round.

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | January 11, 2011 9:46 AM

Hi Hater!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse


Beep, it was made abundantly clear yesterday that Moe welcomes no feedback on his posts unless they consist of such phrases as "100% agree" or "co-sign" or "atta boy" or "yes massa". Disagreement with the almighty Krang makes him grumpy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 7:56 AM |

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not even close

mr moe was commenting on folks who attack and said he didn't care what anyone thinks about his post

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brownwood26


Actually, what's most annoying are the people who never have any original ideas, but just spend their free time tearing down other people's ideas.

There are dudes who do nothing but surf other folks opinions for stuff to post.

Without the people who lay out their opinion, such people would have nothing to say.

Me?: I sling opinion freely.

And I don't ever hate or criticize another blogga's opinions, especially if I never have any myself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 11:09 AM |


you brownwood tell folks to ita others

like a child

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

754th, and hopefully last!

Cam beeps!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Wow Hess...you just dug up an argument between me and Moe from yesterday that we just kissed and made up over today. But I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from the same clown who spent his first month on the blog pushing his "boycott $nyder" agenda...

ITA Hess....if that makes me a child, then I'll see you in the sandbox...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

He's a dynamic talent, but I wouldn't want that guy on my team AT ALL...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 8:07 AM

Yeah he's a mouthy little sh*t and I'm glad he's not a Redskin. He made some snotty remarks when DM5 was traded to us and while I'm not a huge DM5 fan if he deserved respect anywhere it was in the City of Brotherly a holes.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 11, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I'd like for the redskins to sign several players that I have never heard of...on the cheap...that are under the rader...mid-twenties...and fit nicely into our systems.

Thank you.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

What is this, the RI Personals now?

'SWF seeking NERD to watch Star Trek with.'
May I suggest Brian Burke?

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton beeps

Posted by: bangkokben | January 11, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Panties!

Posted by: 4-12 | January 11, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I know this will sound racist, but in Washington it is better if the Qb is of the caucasian persuasion. That way the coaches won't be reluctant to bench him if he plays poorly. In Washington when you bench a black Qb the Wilbons and Jason Reids of the world start crying racism. Political correctness run amuck.

Posted by: theBozyn | January 11, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

NO-to Cam Newton, not an NFL caliper QB. and No to any of the QB's in the draft in the first round.

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | January 11, 2011 9:46 AM

Hi Hater!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

No Hate , I just watched the game, don't reach because your desperate, I just was not impressed, I wish there was a QB in this draft worth the #10 pick, but there is not IMHO, not hater , just want a winning team to take the field next year.

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | January 11, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Why would any free agent want to come to a losing organization without a clue of building a professional football program

Posted by: BeatDontStop | January 12, 2011 6:29 AM | Report abuse

Reading all this carping, whining and vitriol toward McNabb and Haynesworth--they were begged to come here after proving themselves elsewhere. Once here, they found themselves in a three-card monty game, bait and switch. You don't bring in a Budweiser Clydesdale and ask him to run the Kentucky Derby; or a thoroughbred and ask him to pull a beer wagon. And you losers heap scorn on these guys because they took a job you'd give a nut for, then they rebelled at being asked to be robots plugged into a rigid system that hasn't worked since the NFL passed Shanahan by eight years ago? Losers.

Posted by: edwcorey | January 12, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Again, Dan Snyder needed Mike Shanahan to pick him up on the Haynesworth deal, not pour salt in the wound.

Posted by: deshackleford | January 12, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Reading all this carping, whining and vitriol toward McNabb and Haynesworth--they were begged to come here after proving themselves elsewhere. Once here, they found themselves in a three-card monty game, bait and switch. You don't bring in a Budweiser Clydesdale and ask him to run the Kentucky Derby; or a thoroughbred and ask him to pull a beer wagon. And you losers heap scorn on these guys because they took a job you'd give a nut for, then they rebelled at being asked to be robots plugged into a rigid system that hasn't worked since the NFL passed Shanahan by eight years ago? Losers.

Posted by: edwcorey | January 12, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Reading all this carping, whining and vitriol toward McNabb and Haynesworth--they were begged to come here after proving themselves elsewhere. Once here, they found themselves in a three-card monty game, bait and switch. You don't bring in a Budweiser Clydesdale and ask him to run the Kentucky Derby; or a thoroughbred and ask him to pull a beer wagon. And you losers heap scorn on these guys because they took a job you'd give a nut for, then they rebelled at being asked to be robots plugged into a rigid system that hasn't worked since the NFL passed Shanahan by eight years ago? Losers.

Posted by: edwcorey | January 12, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Skins are not getting jack for McNabb or Haynesworth, and I find that mind boggling. When Shanahan spent a 2nd and 3rd for McNabb he married him in a sense. To turn around and bench him to audition Rexx Grossman was stupid, not that Rexx is a bad QB. Rexx is serviceable, so is McNabb.

The games that McNabb sucked, and he had a few, Mike and Kyle should've stepped up and took the blame. Like real leaders. Put that poker face on. Never let your adversary know what you're thinking, feeling or planning. That’s how Bilichick operates, and he’s always got a stockpile of draft picks.

Now Bruce Allen is posturing, putting the word out that McNabb and Haynesworth won’t be leaving anytime soon. The team should’ve started posturing, lying, pretending and faking as soon as they determined McNabb wasn’t in their plans.

Posted by: deshackleford | January 14, 2011 12:11 AM | Report abuse

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