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Redskins could owe Eagles third-round pick for McNabb

ESPN.com's Adam Schefter delivered some pretty good information today. One of the things that seemed to have fallen through the cracks is those draft picks the Redskins have sent to Philadelphia in exchange for Donovan McNabb.

We know that the Eagles receive a second-round pick this year and a fourth-rounder in the 2011 draft. That fourth-round pick could turn into a third-rounder, though, based on McNabb's performance. Schefter explained what McNabb needs to accomplish on the field to trigger the change:

The pick becomes a third-rounder if McNabb reaches either the Pro Bowl or plays in 70 percent of the Redskins' plays and the team wins at least nine games.

So interestingly, if the Redskins win games and the former Eagles' quarterback does well, Philadelphia still has at least a small reason to celebrate by getting the better pick. 

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By Rick Maese  |  April 6, 2010; 5:45 PM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb  | Tags: Adam Schefter, Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia Eagles, Pro Bowl, Quarterback, Washington Redskin  
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Boo on giving away more draft picks... but yay on getting a really good and sometimes great QB. So this is a push.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 6, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

this org will never reach the status of the pats.

Posted by: skinsinsider101 | April 6, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Bar is a higer than I'd expect. Still, we'd better need to give philly the 3rd round pick. If we don't do better than 8-8 and McNabb doesn't play 70% of the plays, can the trade be considered a success?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

So let the whining and complaining continue and tell us how these picks will just ruin the franchise for decades.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what the specific language is about the Pro Bowl... I hope it's "elected as a starter for the Pro Bowl" versus "appears in Pro Bowl".

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 6, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Hers hoping it turns into a 3rd round pick...that would mean the trade was good for us

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse


if they hadn't destroyed his market value, he'd reel in at least 2 #1 picks...

Posted by: beatkal | April 6, 2010 5:46 PM |

Not sure who you think is "they" but he's the one that destroyed his market value. Anyone who looks at film of him last year realizes that he's a half-asser in a triple-asser's body.

Posted by: League-Source | April 6, 2010 5:51 PM |

Funny stuff L-S. Don't know how I feel about this. Part of me says if you can get another first rounder jump on it. Another part of me thinks it just creates another hole. Hmmmm...curioser and curioser. Shanny gettin' his ducks in a row here. If you ain't with it...see ya.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 6, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I could not be happier. Get rid of deadwood, guys who aren't committed (read that don't train here) and guys who think of themselves first. So Haynesworth is gone, Landry on his way out.

Why is Clinton still here? Well for all his c**p, on the field he leaves nothing, and that, along with his relationship with Shanahan, is getting him another look.

Posted by: RedBee | April 6, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

AH for a franchise RT!
Okung at #4!
JC for a corned beef on rye!

Book it!

Posted by: 4-12 | April 6, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm sooo OVER Mike Shanahan. One stupid mistake after another.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 6, 2010 5:43 PM

Yeah, I am starting to come around w/you and SteveMG and the rest. Let's bring back Zorn and Vinny.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 6, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Well duh! Whenever you have some type of escalator clause like that you had better hope you pay the higher price, because if you don't it usually means you got hosed and the guy you bought either got hurt or was awful. I expect the Eagles to get that second and third, and I expect McNabb to be worth every bit of it too.

Posted by: tkoho | April 6, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey man...

Give me 9 wins (at least)and 70 percent
(i want 100%)

and I'll gladly give those stupid eagles their 3rd.

especially if two of the wins are against those stupid eagles.

Oh...by the way, we match up better against those stupid eagles than any other team in our division.

That means we are going to kick their ass twice next year.

The stupid eagles may be better than us 2 years from now, but right now, we will own them

book-it

Posted by: imthedude | April 6, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I am concerned about the way this organization has devalued its guys.

For all the criticism thrown at Campbell, the Skins did as much to devalue him as anyone possibly could have. Campbell still was in the top 1/2 of the league in passer rating despite the dysfunction around him (10 different starters on the OL!! 3 guys calling plays in the same game, etc etc). Danny, Vinny and now Shanahan have hurt his value on the market.

Now we're on to Albert. He was very good when he played, but now it feels like he's going to get traded for a discount because he can't get along with the boss.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Bite your tongue Curzon... Getting Vinny back would lessen the efforts we all made complaining about him. Who wants egg on their face?

Posted by: Dorf | April 6, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm sooo OVER Mike Shanahan. One stupid mistake after another.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 6, 2010 5:43 PM

LOL Another one for the list...i have been saving all posts like this cause I'm gonna post them at a later date when these "fans" are all happy they are winning! Why? Cause it's fun! lol

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Another part of me thinks it just creates another hole. Hmmmm...curioser and curioser. Shanny gettin' his ducks in a row here. If you ain't with it...see ya.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 6, 2010 5:59 PM

Getting his DUKES in a row!

I think Haynesworth already is a hole. He doesn't want to play in a 3-4, and last year was only playing at about 65% in a 4-3. He doesn't want to be here, and I don't know what can be done to turn him around. Obviously Shanahan doesn't either.

Posted by: League-Source | April 6, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

"The pick becomes a third-rounder if McNabb reaches the Pro Bowl..."


It'll be ironic watching Philly phans stuff the ballot box for McNabb.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 6, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Im all for whatever....if shanny sees ANY player acting selfish and not on the teams page and goals...SEE YA!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

LOL Another one for the list...i have been saving all posts like this cause I'm gonna post them at a later date when these "fans" are all happy they are winning! Why? Cause it's fun! lol

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 6:12 PM | R

Hey Levi, can you make a RI wiki page for them so we all can be a party to their madness? Plus we can help load 'em up on there.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 6, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I am concerned about the way this organization has devalued its guys.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 6:11 PM

I can't follow this logic, at all. GM's around the league watch tape and they see how people play. If a guy's playing well, they don't care what the other team's coach thinks about him. And if he's playing badly, they also don't care. They value him based on what he could do on their team, not our team.

They watched JC choking in the 4th quarter, throwing short passes, unable to find the end zone. Do you really think people would change their minds if Shanahan said "He's the key to my offense. We're building the team around him. We're negotiating an extension with him."

They've seen Haynesworth on his knees gasping for air. They know how many plays he had to take off. They know about his attitude problems. Do you think they would forget this if the 'Skins said "Haynesworth is so valuable that we're redesigning the defense so he can do what he does best?"

Posted by: League-Source | April 6, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

It'll be ironic watching Philly phans stuff the ballot box for McNabb.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 6, 2010 6:16 PM

And Redskins fans pumping up Kolb's ballot count.

Posted by: League-Source | April 6, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Im all for whatever....if shanny sees ANY player acting selfish and not on the teams page and goals...SEE YA!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 6:21 PM

This is the type of thing you only have to do once or twice and everyone gets the message. If you do it to Haynesworth, then once should be enough.

Posted by: League-Source | April 6, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Found this a couple nights ago, helps get through the offseason sporting events.

http://www.centsports.com/?opcode=507678

they give you 10 cents to bet with every time you lose your money and let you try and build up to eventually cash out. cool stuff

Posted by: DaFunBunch | April 6, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I think Haynesworth already is a hole. He doesn't want to play in a 3-4, and last year was only playing at about 65% in a 4-3. He doesn't want to be here, and I don't know what can be done to turn him around. Obviously Shanahan doesn't either.

Posted by: League-Source | April 6, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Remember...this is the same class act individual who stepped on the Cowboy's Gurode and cut his head open.
He doesn't care about anything but Albert.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 6, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Im all for whatever....if shanny sees ANY player acting selfish and not on the teams page and goals...SEE YA!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 6:21 PM

This is the type of thing you only have to do once or twice and everyone gets the message. If you do it to Haynesworth, then once should be enough.

Posted by: League-Source

early in my carer, the division's GM got up in the front of the room and said, "Once you shoot a few Chiefs, the Indians pay attention."

Seems a useful analogy to apply to an organization named the Redskins.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/06/haynesworth-trade-talk-continues-to-heat-up/

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 6:07 PM

Granted in the 3-4 the Dlmen don't have to make a bunch of plays. However it sure would be nice to have one at that level. If they trade Haynesworth aren't they creating another need at another position? There is talk about getting Carriker; but he's more injury prone than Haynesworth. So it'll come down to draft pick(s) to make up for his loss and the hope they get a solid player to replace Hayneswoth's loss.

Posted by: TWISI | April 6, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Remember the Larry Michaels campaign to get the Skins elected to the Pro Bowl, now he'll be on TV every night saying, "don't vote for McNabb."

If we can win enough games early to clinch a playoff spot hopefully we can sit Donovan for the last couple games and keep him under 70% of the snaps.

Posted by: PowerBoater69 | April 6, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Now that's a bit of unabashed optimism, PowerBoater. Hopefully we can sit Donovan "for the last couple of games" because we've clinched a playoff spot and have nothing to play for... so we not only lock down our desired playoff position with several weeks to go, we do it without McNabb's playing 70% of the snaps. I... I... I find this scenario to be an amazing bit of dreamwork.

In summation, I'll have one of whatever you're having... is it a vodka and Kool-Aid?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 6, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Let's all drink the Redskins kool-aid: whatever they do can't be criticized until the start of the season.

If they short-sightedly diminish the trade value of players, be quiet. If they mortgage part of the future, be quiet. If they go for short-term additions over long-term planning, be quiet.

Because three months from now (or at some point), they'll fix all of this.

No wonder this franchise is stuck in a rut: folks continue to buy what they're selling and never question it.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 6, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The FO haters here have short memories. For the first time in two decades we're doing things the right way. Notice that Danny wasn't on the bandstand today?

I love the McNabb deal. We're only a couple of cancers named Portis and Haynesworth away from truly being a good position to make a serious run in 2-3 years.

Posted by: bostskin | April 6, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bostskin | April 6, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

By the way Donovan, will you be celebrating "Confederate History Month" in Virgina?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2010/04/post_666.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

BTW, here's hoping that JC finds a good situation somewhere else. He's a good, talented player that's been hopelessly mismanaged. Just hope he's not scarred for life.

Posted by: bostskin | April 6, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

this org will never reach the status of the pats.

Posted by: skinsinsider101

Status of being the biggest Cheats in NFL history?

F the patties, hate them almost as bad as the cowturds.

Posted by: bhoang888 | April 6, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

As a Redskin fan I hope Donovan McNabb works out here. I'm not jumping for joy over this trade. Why can't we draft and develop our own QB? The last two games I saw DM play, against Dallas, the last regular season game and the playoff game the next week he looked like crap!!

If DM were still so dangerous as a QB would Andy Reid still want to go against him 2 times a year? Also DM is injury prone. This shows a little impatience to me, the successful teams acquire draft picks and draft and develop their own players, using FA as mostly a supplement.

These are just some things I'm concerned about, but as a fan I hope it works out. I still don't like that the horrible oline has not been upgraded yet. I hope then that the draft will be used for that.
Yes he has an attitude and won't work out with the team, but Fat Albert is our best Dlineman. Trading him will create a hole. This team already has too many holes.

Posted by: 72Redskins | April 6, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SteveMG | April 6, 2010 6:54 PM |

Dude, if you need to cry and complain, please feel free. Heck slash your wrist if it makes you feel better. But before you do something so drastic, tell me what all your crying accomplishes? How does your criticism change what they have done or will do?

**sending some virtual tissue your way**

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 6, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I love the McNabb deal. We're only a couple of cancers named Portis and Haynesworth away from truly being a good position to make a serious run in 2-3 years.

Posted by: bostskin | April 6, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

3 years from now McNabb will be signing a 1 day contract to retire from the NFL as an Eagle.

Awesome plan!

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Let's all drink the Redskins kool-aid: whatever they do can't be criticized until the start of the season.

If they short-sightedly diminish the trade value of players, be quiet. If they mortgage part of the future, be quiet. If they go for short-term additions over long-term planning, be quiet.

Because three months from now (or at some point), they'll fix all of this.

No wonder this franchise is stuck in a rut: folks continue to buy what they're selling and never question it.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 6, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Ya know what? Why not drink some Kool - aid. There really is nothing wrong to get excited about having McNabb here. I mean...he is a QB that you look for...the team will break there ribs for the guy cause he can make them believe.

makes me believe...

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid:

What in blazes are you doing?

You have an opportunity to ask Donovan McNabb a question at his introductory presser as a Washington Redskin, and you ask:

"You talk about Coach Shanahan an...an -- what's he's done as a coach, but he's also had a huge role in Denver in building that organization and getting those Super Bowls and same thing here in this organization. As a player is it a comforting feeling to know that your coach also knows exactly what the organization is gonna do so that everybody is on the same page -- is that a good thing to have for you?"

---------

Good grief man!

How else to answer that "question?"

"No, it's a horrible feeling?"

And secondly, it sounds like Shanahan had about as much idea as any of us hamsters did that Bruce Allen was set to pull the trigger on this trade.

Clearly, it has yet to be established who is on what page with whom, or what the book is even about, other than winning a Super Bowl.

Man that was a dumb question.

Why even go the the presser at all -- couldn't ya just have sent one of us instead?

Thirdly, McNabb admits to having never had an extended conversation with his prospective new coach, UNTIL AFTER THE TRADE WAS MADE!

Were you being facetious, or are you really that dull of a blade?

NEXT TIME ASK A BETTER QUESTION PLEASE!


Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 6, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

We're all aware of his age, Diesel. If your encouraging us to think long term, then I agree. DM brings 11 years of NFL experience with him, and that intangible-leadership.

One need only look at Minnesota and Arizona to see the felicitous effects of that to an organization. Mcnabb can be a stabilizing hub as the team grows and rebuilds. More than anything, we need a change of attitude.

Posted by: bostskin | April 6, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

seriously what is wrong with these "fans"...they got mad when the worst coach in the nfl got fired, they got mad at the worst gm in the league got fired and now they're getting mad for trading for a qb that they haven't had in like 18 years?

seriously what's wrong with you people? be happy you have a superbowls winning coach, 5 time nfc champion qb, a better gm and he's getting rid of players who can't be depended on...

what is wrong with you people?

Posted by: dealer1 | April 6, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

One more thing:

I essentially like this trade.

But Donovan, please cut the crapola. It's already wearing thin.

The "fans" in Philly were burning your effigy before every home game, and now you wanna "thank" them?

And you're telling us that after being jettisoned from the team you wanted to finish your career with, that come time to play this team, in a Redskin uniform, that you're not gonna have an axe to grind, and that you haven't in fact already begun to sharpen it?

Come on man!

Be real for a moment.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 6, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Ya know what? Why not drink some Kool - aid. There really is nothing wrong to get excited about having McNabb here. I mean...he is a QB that you look for...the team will break there ribs for the guy cause he can make them believe.

makes me believe...

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:07 PM

LOL Another one for the list...i have been saving all posts like this cause I'm gonna post them at a later date when these "fans" want to see an example of an assine post! Why? Cause it's fun! lol

Btw...2 laugh out louds on one unfunny post?

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

But before you do something so drastic, tell me what all your crying accomplishes? How does your criticism change what they have done or will do?

Gosh, it's a sport blog where fans express their views on their teams. Y'know, Boo! Yeah! Darn! Hooray!?? Cheering and booing and everything in between?

I think the people taking this too seriously are those telling folks like us to be quiet because our complaints are out of line or unfair. Or something.

So, all we should have here is people posting how great everything is?

Again: it's a sports blog where folks blow off steam about their teams. This place is nothing compared to the blogs of New York teams. Or college teams? Now there's some serious kvetching.

Really, just ignore my posts if they make you upset.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 6, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

And all this talk about winning a Super Bowl needs to stop now.

Let the focus be on winning a few big games in our division first please.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 6, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I am concerned about the way this organization has devalued its guys.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 6:11 PM

I can't follow this logic, at all. GM's around the league watch tape and they see how people play. If a guy's playing well, they don't care what the other team's coach thinks about him. And if he's playing badly, they also don't care. They value him based on what he could do on their team, not our team.

They watched JC choking in the 4th quarter, throwing short passes, unable to find the end zone. Do you really think people would change their minds if Shanahan said "He's the key to my offense. We're building the team around him. We're negotiating an extension with him."

They've seen Haynesworth on his knees gasping for air. They know how many plays he had to take off. They know about his attitude problems. Do you think they would forget this if the 'Skins said "Haynesworth is so valuable that we're redesigning the defense so he can do what he does best?"

Posted by: League-Source

Let me introduce you to the concept of 'spin'.

I don't let my disgust with Albert's workout program let the world know he's on sale. I praise him for improving the DL from one of the weakest in terms of sacks to one of the best. I make a few calls to teams most likely to have an interest (DET for starters). I tell Schwartz that I think Albert will be more effective in DET's system than in DC as we move 3-4.

You don't call philly who are pretty cheap and ask them to pick up Albert's contract -- and hope it doesn't get out.

If I want to trade Campbell, I do my best to have the world see the 8 games he played behind a healthy OL in 2008. Had a QB rating of around 100. I don't tag him with the dysfunction of this organization. Blame Zorn and Vinny. You don't get anything of value by letting them go (come to think of it, you didn't get anything of value by keeping them around either). But you can say, accurately, that when Campbell has a good OL in front of him, he is a very good QB. Because ... he was.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

chia, i hate to see people unemployed but i even hate it more when people who deserve to be unemployed are treated as if they're cream of the crop...

Posted by: dealer1 | April 6, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I say Albert Haynesworth to the Rams for their 2nd round pick.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 6, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Ya know what? Why not drink some Kool - aid. There really is nothing wrong to get excited about having McNabb here. I mean...he is a QB that you look for...the team will break there ribs for the guy cause he can make them believe.

makes me believe...

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:07 PM

LOL Another one for the list...i have been saving all posts like this cause I'm gonna post them at a later date when these "fans" want to see an example of an assine post! Why? Cause it's fun! lol

Btw...2 laugh out louds on one unfunny post?

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

just because you do not agree with me and can't support your team and have fun with it is not my problem.

Just made yourself look like a jac a$$ actually...so CHEERS

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

players in this org may appear to be devalued by its loving fanbase but the truth is they're being market valued,in other words that's how much they're worth...really!

Posted by: dealer1 | April 6, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

seriously what is wrong with these "fans"...they got mad when the worst coach in the nfl got fired, they got mad at the worst gm in the league got fired and now they're getting mad for trading for a qb that they haven't had in like 18 years?

seriously what's wrong with you people? be happy you have a superbowls winning coach, 5 time nfc champion qb, a better gm and he's getting rid of players who can't be depended on...

what is wrong with you people?

Posted by: dealer1

We've had lots of good stuff over the years, except an OL. The trade for McNabb made it harder to get a good OL, not easier.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1...

Is it possible that Shanahan looked at every snap Jason Campbell played and decided that he may not be that good?

He may know a little bit more about football than you and I.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 6, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I take it you're not a fan of McNabb dealer?

Pray tell?

I'm neutral on him, but I also really don't have much background info on what went down over the years in Philly to make the fans loathe him.

What's up with that?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 6, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

chia, i hate to see people unemployed but i even hate it more when people who deserve to be unemployed are treated as if they're cream of the crop...

Posted by: dealer1 | April 6, 2010 7:19 PM |

So you're a Republican.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 6, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

yeah i think AH for a second will be an okay trade but AH for a second and a player or a 2nd and a 4th will be reallly good.

Posted by: dealer1 | April 6, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm neutral on him, but I also really don't have much background info on what went down over the years in Philly to make the fans loathe him.

What's up with that?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 6, 2010 7:24 PM |

Uh, it's Philly. The City of Brotherly Love is anything but.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 6, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

We've had lots of good stuff over the years, except an OL. The trade for McNabb made it harder to get a good OL, not easier.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

i see others saying the same about the o line. i don't understand how all of a sudden we have not had an o line for quite sometime....

that's not true is it? i mean between 2005 and 2007 the o line was pretty good...then Zorn came in and the line started showing age and getting hurt the last two years.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Upset by your post? Not even a little. Just can't figure out why fans are up in arms over moves made in the first quarter of the off-season. They come off so whinny. But if that is what makes you feel better, whine away.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 6, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Things Eagles fans held against Donovan McNabb:

* being drafted by the Eagles
* being the Eagles' quarterback
* never winning the Super Bowl
* getting sick (or winded or whatever) in the Super Bowl
* not being aware that an NFL regular-season game can end in a tie
* not being Ron Jaworski
* not making Philadelphia a wonderful place to live
* not being great in the specific way they wanted him to be great

F Philadephia

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 6, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Mcnabb can be a stabilizing hub as the team grows and rebuilds. More than anything, we need a change of attitude.

Posted by: bostskin | April 6, 2010 7:13 PM

The attitude was changed and potential stability was ushered in when Shanny and Allen were hired.

McNabb has an impressive resume
6x pro bowler,
2004 NFC Offensive Player of the Year
Led his team to 5 NFC championship, & 1 super bowl.

All of this while being treated worse by Eagle fans than JC17 could ever imagine.

I rarely root for any individual players, so it will be easy for me to continue to root for the Uniform when it comes to #5

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Upset by your post? Not even a little. Just can't figure out why fans are up in arms over moves made in the first quarter of the off-season. They come off so whinny. But if that is what makes you feel better, whine away.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 6, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Here here!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

No seriously why was the perception of McNabb so bad in Philly?

He won a lot of games for them, in spite of the fans and the lack of a run game and dearth of good receivers.

Why the hate?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 6, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I wonder, has anyone with any substantial credibility said that Hayney was on the trade block or offered to Philly? All I've heard is a bunch of crap from WaPo and nothing at all from anywhere else that wasn't quoting WaPo.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 6, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Nate.

I knew there had to be something substantive behind it.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 6, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

They come off so whinny. But if that is what makes you feel better, whine away.

Well, if you've got a substantive response to the "whines", e.g., they're undertaking short-term moves vs. long term planning, they're using FA instead of drafts to build a nucleus, go for it.

But if you just want to cry about criticism or about reading opposing views, well, you'll just have to get some more kleenex.

As the saying goes, you work your side of the street and I'll work mine.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 6, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I did just find one other person who is reporting this Hayney stuff. Give you 1 guess who it is.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 6, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

what is wrong with you people?

Posted by: dealer1 | April 6, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Many of them would cry if we got P. Manning for a 4th round draft choice. They'd find reasons to complain. It's a way of life for them.

Posted by: johnnyreds | April 6, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, I talked to a guy in Home Depot today that knew for sure AH was on his way to da Raiders.

This same gentleman also regards LL as the "best safety" in the NFL.

I bit on his comment as he raced right by me towards the Weed Be Gone and the Spectracide.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 6, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, I talked to a guy in Home Depot today that knew for sure AH was on his way to da Raiders.

This same gentleman also regards LL as the "best safety" in the NFL.

I bit on his comment as he raced right by me towards the Weed Be Gone and the Spectracide.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 6, 2010 7:41 PM |

Best safety at what?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 6, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

what is wrong with you people?

Posted by: dealer1 | April 6, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Many of them would cry if we got P. Manning for a 4th round draft choice. They'd find reasons to complain. It's a way of life for them.

Posted by: johnnyreds | April 6, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Manning is older than McNabb??

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

by a few months anyway lol

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Ya know what? Why not drink some Kool - aid. There really is nothing wrong to get excited about having McNabb here. I mean...he is a QB that you look for...the team will break there ribs for the guy cause he can make them believe.

makes me believe...

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:07 PM

LOL Another one for the list...i have been saving all posts like this cause I'm gonna post them at a later date when these "fans" want to see an example of an assine post! Why? Cause it's fun! lol

Btw...2 laugh out louds on one unfunny post?

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

just because you do not agree with me and can't support your team and have fun with it is not my problem.

Just made yourself look like a jac a$$ actually...so CHEERS

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:22 PM

You must be dumber than a sack of dull hammers. You do realize that I cut and pasted your very comments.

One can support the team and intelligently question thier approach. Do you go along with everything, or do you have enough intellect to question things along the way?
I bet you were real popular with the Catholic priests growing up...

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

One of my girls hit a foul ball today and hit me in the hand and that sh_t hurts.

Now back to your regular scheduled program.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 6, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1...

Is it possible that Shanahan looked at every snap Jason Campbell played and decided that he may not be that good?

He may know a little bit more about football than you and I.

Posted by: rickyroge

The standard response.

Shanahan has made plenty of mediocre moves, especially on the personnel side. Said from the start, he's great as a coach, not as great running the show.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

So let the whining and complaining continue and tell us how these picks will just ruin the franchise for decades.

Posted by: leevi98

No no. Let us all cease even the slightest discouragement and listen to you sing the Party Line. Maybe you'll get a job at Redskins.Com.

Posted by: TheCork | April 6, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I wonder, has anyone with any substantial credibility said that Hayney was on the trade block or offered to Philly? All I've heard is a bunch of crap from WaPo and nothing at all from anywhere else that wasn't quoting WaPo.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 6, 2010 7:36 PM

Peter King...He's a fat slob but has creditability.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh.

Somebody made a Catholic priest joke

but I'm not sure how funny that is?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 6, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

You must be dumber than a sack of dull hammers. You do realize that I cut and pasted your very comments.

One can support the team and intelligently question thier approach. Do you go along with everything, or do you have enough intellect to question things along the way?
I bet you were real popular with the Catholic priests growing up...

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Of course I know you copied and pasted ...Whats your point a$$ clown? lol

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what the specific language is about the Pro Bowl... I hope it's "elected as a starter for the Pro Bowl" versus "appears in Pro Bowl".

Posted by: NateinthePDX |

I just hope it's not "said appearance may be in Campbell Chunky Soup Super Bowl commercial."

Posted by: TheCork | April 6, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Now that's a bit of unabashed optimism, PowerBoater. Hopefully we can sit Donovan "for the last couple of games" because we've clinched a playoff spot and have nothing to play for... so we not only lock down our desired playoff position with several weeks to go, we do it without McNabb's playing 70% of the snaps. I... I... I find this scenario to be an amazing bit of dreamwork.

In summation, I'll have one of whatever you're having... is it a vodka and Kool-Aid?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 6, 2010 6:50 PM

---------------------------------

It's Tupper's Hop Pocket and Kool-Aid tonight. Nobody bashes Lerner and the Nats harder than me but with the Skins I'm a total sucker. Every year I think they're on the verge of greatness. One day I'll be right.

Posted by: PowerBoater69 | April 6, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-hqRypGvlY

Philly is actually a surprisingly good place to have a bachelor party. At least it was in 1990.

After work Tuesday night bus trips to the Legendary Blue Horizon for boxing and Genessee Cream Ale made for some rough Wednesdays.

Emmitt's greatest game:
Halloween on a rainy day in Philadelphia. Troy Aikman could not throw the ball in the rain and only passed for 96 yards. So Emmitt Smith had to take control. He had his only 200 yard rushing game of his career as he rushed for 237 yards. He sealed the game in the fourth quarter with a 68 yard touchdown run as he beat Eric Allen to the end zone.

Philly is a great town!

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 6, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

One can support the team and intelligently question thier approach. Do you go along with everything, or do you have enough intellect to question things along the way?

I think that concept is foreign to some folks.

Yeah, I want the Skins to win. But this approach they're taking looks to be the same one that's gotten them into trouble the past decade. I.e., no long-terming development of critical players but short term, stop-gap acquisitions to get them through a couple of years.

I could be wrong but things sure look to be trending that way.

Oh well, we'll always have the Caps.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 6, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

You must be dumber than a sack of dull hammers. You do realize that I cut and pasted your very comments.

One can support the team and intelligently question thier approach. Do you go along with everything, or do you have enough intellect to question things along the way?
I bet you were real popular with the Catholic priests growing up...

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Of course I know you copied and pasted ...Whats your point a$$ clown? lol

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

you spelled their wrong write after you wrote about being intelligent. hehe

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh...by the way, we match up better against those stupid eagles than any other team in our division.

That means we are going to kick their ass twice next year.

The stupid eagles may be better than us 2 years from now, but right now, we will own them

book-it

Posted by: imthedude |

Yeah baby!!! And look out Cowboys! McNabb will kick your....oh wait, nevermind....

Posted by: TheCork | April 6, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like you didn't catch the foul ball, Flounder?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 6, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like you didn't catch the foul ball, Flounder?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 6, 2010 7:55 PM |

Thats what happens when your talking and not paying attention.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 6, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Props to the late Gus Johnson, for getting into B-ball's HOF. Saw him on TV when I was a kid (and once or twice in person), including the glass shattering dunk vs Milwaukee. Great leaper with bad knees.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1084507/4/index.htm

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Dear Jason,

How come Redskins insider is no longer inside? All the information I seem to get from you, I get from ESPN or it comes from official releases by the team? I understand this new head office keeps its cards close to its chest but it has been this way since before Allen/Shanahan. You don't offer anything that is "inside". Here is a typical post in my opinion: "Albert Haynesworth offered in trade for McNabb" Everyone already knows this from a variety of sources. I used to follow La Canfora for the great inside info; now all I do is check other sources other than the Post. I can check official press releases myself. Please offer us any info that is "Inside". Thanks.

Posted by: jdd4p | April 6, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Philly is a great town!

Posted by: SMACK1
____________________

In my very limited dealings with that city, I've noticed that [1] the famous cheese steaks are pitiful (they use SteakUmm! yecch), and [2] the women are morally relaxed (probably due to the poor availability of non-knuckle-dragging males). So avoid the former and enjoy the latter, but don't stay too long.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Im all for whatever....if shanny sees ANY player acting selfish and not on the teams page and goals...SEE YA!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 6:21 PM

This is the type of thing you only have to do once or twice and everyone gets the message. If you do it to Haynesworth, then once should be enough.

Posted by: League-Source

This is what you're supposed to do when you go to prison (from what I've heard): pretty quickly after you get there you find the biggest, baddest dude on the block and you kick his ass. Establishes dominance. Either that or you become someone's b**ch. I don't think that's an option for Shanahan, though.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 6, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

this org will never reach the status of the pats.

Posted by: skinsinsider101


Speaking of Pats, I bet they're in discussions to get Haynesworth right now.

Belicheat will have himself a new reclamation project with the best Dlineman in the NFL on the Skins dime.

He'll line up Hayensworth where he should be lined up - as a 3-4 DE - next to Vince Wilfork and they'll destroy Olines all season long while we suffer through another Pats-to-the-Superbowl season.

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Remember...this is the same class act individual who stepped on the Cowboy's Gurode and cut his head open.
He doesn't care about anything but Albert.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 6, 2010 6:34 PM

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Oh, well, see, Haynesworth isn't COMPLETELY bad. I mean, Gurode is a Cowboy and who doesn't get their jollies a little bit by kicking a Cowboy in the head? =)

Posted by: C-DubDC | April 6, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I mean...he is a QB that you look for...the team will break there ribs for the guy cause he can make them believe.

makes me believe...

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:07 PM

I don't use spell checker and I never do the spelling Nazi thing, but since you did...

What's your excuse with "there ribs."

Also WTF are you talking about...McNabb won games however the team hardly missed a step when he was injured and he was never known as a leader.

But feel free to break some ribs anyway.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

One can support the team and intelligently question thier approach.
Diesel

=======================

Yes. Me, I feel like you do about the DM trade. Would rather have the pick then an eagles QB no matter how much of an upgrade. Especially if it potentially makes the eagles stronger.

But after years of the Dan and Vinny show, I am prepared to give the new FO a full off-season before I start questioning the moves that have been made to this point.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 6, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Remember...this is the same class act individual who stepped on the Cowboy's Gurode and cut his head open.
He doesn't care about anything but Albert.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 6, 2010 6:34 PM

???

Stomping on Cowboy face...that's a "plus" in my book.

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Of course I know you copied and pasted ...Whats your point a$$ clown? lol

Posted by: leevi98

It's spelled "copypasta." FTFY

Shanahan has made plenty of mediocre moves, especially on the personnel side. Said from the start, he's great as a coach, not as great running the show.

Posted by: zcezcest1

The vast majority of his misses were on D; he drafted Cutler (Pro Bowl year), Portis, Mike Bell, Terrell Davis, Ryan Clady, Brandon Marshall, ect. The dude can find talent on offense.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 6, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about you Debbie downers that are not excited about McNabb. I already ordered my jersey.

HTTR

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 6, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

from CSN: "Redskins GM Bruce Allen said on Sirius Radio Tuesday that the Redskins have contacted the agent of former Dallas LT Flozell Adams. The Redskins currently have no true left tackle on the roster since the retirement of Chris Samuels. Adams was cut by the Cowboys on Friday."

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 6, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone actually have a verified quote where AH said that he would not play nose tackle?

Because I remember him going on the record and being pretty clear that he'd play wherever they put him and wouldn't be a distraction about it.

Frankly, I think playing him at NT would be stupid. And if he feels the same way, then I say "Amen".

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

In my very limited dealings with that city, I've noticed that [1] the famous cheese steaks are pitiful (they use SteakUmm! yecch), and [2] the women are morally relaxed (probably due to the poor availability of non-knuckle-dragging males). So avoid the former and enjoy the latter, but don't stay too long.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 8:03 PM

I love Philly. Very ethnic city. Women are hot in the Jewish & Italian ways of being hot. Cheese steaks are incredible and justifiably famous. Maybe it's just me but your screen name actually suggests "knuckle-dragger."

Posted by: League-Source | April 6, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 6, 2010 8:09 PM

That's the only choice any of us have...We have to believe in their plan and hope that Shanny will replicate the results he had in Denver.

I envy other FO's and their approach to building a team because we have seen exactly how the successful teams build for long-term success. However, I/Most of us will always root for the Redskins.

It's similar to being married and still checking out other chicks. Luckily for me I completely out kicked my coverage and I'm usually the one being envied.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 8:17 PM

I read a transcript of an interview AH gave where he said he's not a NT. In his mind a NT is a big, stumpy guy; not someone his size. He said he could see himself playing DE in a 3-4 because a DE in that defense plays like a DT in a 4-3.

Posted by: TWISI | April 6, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Philly is a great town!

Posted by: SMACK1
____________________

In my very limited dealings with that city, I've noticed that [1] the famous cheese steaks are pitiful (they use SteakUmm! yecch), and [2] the women are morally relaxed (probably due to the poor availability of non-knuckle-dragging males). So avoid the former and enjoy the latter, but don't stay too long.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 8:03 PM |

You were definitely at the wrong place if you were eating Steakumm. What I couldn't get was the squeeze cheese.

But I never ate one sober and it did the job.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 6, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

from CSN: "Redskins GM Bruce Allen said on Sirius Radio Tuesday that the Redskins have contacted the agent of former Dallas LT Flozell Adams. The Redskins currently have no true left tackle on the roster since the retirement of Chris Samuels. Adams was cut by the Cowboys on Friday."


Posted by: hokiesmokie

If this is true, the honeymoon is officially OVER! F anyone from the Cowboys.

Posted by: dcwun | April 6, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

McNabb won games however the team hardly missed a step when he was injured ...

Posted by: Diesel44

Lets shine a little light on that claim.

2009: 11-6 season, w/o McNabb 1-1
2007: 8-8 season, w/o McNabb 0-2
2006: 10-6 season, w/o McNabb 5-1
2005: 8-8 season, w/o McNabb 4-3

The 2007 losses w/o Donovan were to the Pats by 3 (their unbeaten year) and to Seattle by 4 (Sea won their division that year).

In 2009, the loss was to the Saints, the win was over KC.

iggles in games w/o McNabb since 2005: 10-7.

Judges?
A: It's fair to say the iggles did OK in games without Donovan.

Diesel, your claim is upheld.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

You were definitely at the wrong place if you were eating Steakumm. What I couldn't get was the squeeze cheese.

But I never ate one sober and it did the job.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 6, 2010 8:24 PM |

I'm not big on the squeeze cheese either, but much like Little Tavern when your drunk it does the job.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 6, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I have said, and will continue to say, trade AH and package him with JC to Oakland. They need both players at their positions and we need picks! Throw Cooley in if you need as Sleepy davis will be more like Sharpe than Cooley ever could be IMO. Fans will forget all this once they field a winning organization. Watch and see!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 6, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I think playing him at NT would be stupid. And if he feels the same way, then I say "Amen".

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

You wouldn't make a very good prison guard.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 6, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

The vast majority of his misses were on D; he drafted Cutler (Pro Bowl year), Portis, Mike Bell, Terrell Davis, Ryan Clady, Brandon Marshall, ect. The dude can find talent on offense.

Posted by: mrsaun

He's got a decade of picks, and he has had some good ones. Still, he spent the last 3 seasons going 24-24 in the NFL's weakest division. It wasn't because he was being out-coached.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 6, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

rom CSN: "Redskins GM Bruce Allen said on Sirius Radio Tuesday that the Redskins have contacted the agent of former Dallas LT Flozell Adams. The Redskins currently have no true left tackle on the roster since the retirement of Chris Samuels. Adams was cut by the Cowboys on Friday."
Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 6, 2010 8:13 PM |

This makes some sense to me, in that I think it'd be best for DM if his starting LT was a vet. They should sign Levi as well to play RT. It would help the team keep flexible with the #4 pick.

Posted by: TWISI | April 6, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Anyone remember Eagles Fan Adam from the Blog Golden Age? Wonder what he thinks about these developments.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 6, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

You were definitely at the wrong place if you were eating Steakumm. What I couldn't get was the squeeze cheese.

But I never ate one sober and it did the job.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 6, 2010 8:24 PM

Cheez-wiz...

Makes no sense but I was always in the bag as well when I scarfed em down as well..

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

This makes some sense to me, in that I think it'd be best for DM if his starting LT was a vet. They should sign Levi as well to play RT. It would help the team keep flexible with the #4 pick.

Posted by: TWISI | April 6, 2010 8:31 PM |

I agree that signing him could help even if he isn't a starter, and I could care less that he played for the Cowboys.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 6, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Trade Prince Al?

"I hope Haynesworth do unto the Skins, what the Skins have done to JC. This is a heartless organization, it doesn't deserve any sanity."


I wonder what the market is for an out of shape, overweight, but rich black man?

I satisfy two of three of those descriptions, and feel I'm worth, say, a 3rd rounder provided D Snyder is willing to eat some of whatever money I'm still owed to lessen the financial blow to my new employer.

So is there a possible 3rd rounder in the offing for Prince Al's services?

I hope so, 'cuz I'm so worth it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I have said, and will continue to say, trade AH and package him with JC to Oakland. They need both players at their positions and we need picks! Throw Cooley in if you need as Sleepy davis will be more like Sharpe than Cooley ever could be IMO. Fans will forget all this once they field a winning organization. Watch and see!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 6, 2010 8:31 PM

Al Davis would have to be able to pay these players. I don't see that happening especially given Namdi's(sp) contract.

Posted by: TWISI | April 6, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

The vast minority love steakumms and squeeze cheese.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 6, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 8:17 PM

I read a transcript of an interview AH gave where he said he's not a NT. In his mind a NT is a big, stumpy guy; not someone his size. He said he could see himself playing DE in a 3-4 because a DE in that defense plays like a DT in a 4-3.

Posted by: TWISI | April 6, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Yes. That's the same interview where he said pretty clearly that he would play wherever they asked him to.

There's a difference between saying you don't think you are particularly well-suited to play a position and saying you refuse to play a position.

Andre Carter seems to have similar gripes about moving to outside linebacker, but he said he'd do whatever the team asked of him.

What is the difference between the 2? Why are we crucifying AH and giving Carter a pass?

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

This makes some sense to me, in that I think it'd be best for DM if his starting LT was a vet. They should sign Levi as well to play RT. It would help the team keep flexible with the #4 pick.

Posted by: TWISI | April 6, 2010 8:31 PM |

He's still a mauler against the run but his pass pro is Heyer-esque. I posted the UFA OTs that are still available earlier and it ain't pretty.

Since we've traded for McNabb we might as well see if we can get Gaither from the Ravens and still draft an OT @ #4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

He's got a decade of picks, and he has had some good ones. Still, he spent the last 3 seasons going 24-24 in the NFL's weakest division. It wasn't because he was being out-coached.

Posted by: zcezcest1 |

It was b/c his D couldn't keep anyone out of the end zone. At least for this next year, that shouldn't be a problem. He was rotating D coordinators in and out of there every off season for a couple of years in a row at the end.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 6, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Cheez-wiz...

Makes no sense but I was always in the bag as well when I scarfed em down as well..

Posted by: Diesel44
________

Yeah I'd forgotten about the Cheez Piz. Luckily I was in the bag also when I went to this place (bachelor party), locals said it was one of the best... and even 3 sheets to the wind I was slurring to myself "steak-umms plus cheese whiz? yecch?"... but of course I ate it anyway.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Why are we crucifying AH and giving Carter a pass?

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 8:36 PM

Gotta be the pay check. Read a post earlier that said AH was not in the type of shape he should be in for the money he is getting. Never thought that players should be in shape based on how much money they make, but maybe I'm wrong.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 6, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

He's still a mauler against the run but his pass pro is Heyer-esque. I posted the UFA OTs that are still available earlier and it ain't pretty.

Since we've traded for McNabb we might as well see if we can get Gaither from the Ravens and still draft an OT @ #4.


Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 8:40 PM |

Can you post a stat that proves this true, from what I have heard he played all 16 games last year and played well.

I can never find o-line stats.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 6, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Since we've traded for McNabb we might as well see if we can get Gaither from the Ravens and still draft an OT @ #4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse


Get Gaither? How?

I doubt the Ravens will be interested in our 4th rounder.

But...yaybe they are interested in Dawan Landry's more expensive/more hyped/less reliable brother...

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

What is the difference between the 2? Why are we crucifying AH and giving Carter a pass?

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse


Its funny, the same people who think we are doomed for the next 5 years because of the lack of draft picks, seem to be the same ones who do not see the value in trading for more draft picks..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 6, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

What is the difference between the 2? Why are we crucifying AH and giving Carter a pass?

Posted by: p1funk

Maybe Carter is trying to work with the new regime, and AH is giving them the finger? Who knows? Give MS and BA the benfit of the doubt for God's sake!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 6, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The vast minority love steakumms and squeeze cheese.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 6, 2010

why all the steak? wouldn't tofu work just as well?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 6, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse


I'm sooo OVER Mike Shanahan. One stupid mistake after another.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 6, 2010 5:43 PM

Yeah, I am starting to come around w/you and SteveMG and the rest. Let's bring back Zorn and Vinny.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 6, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Funny stuff, Curz.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 6, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

He's still a mauler against the run but his pass pro is Heyer-esque. I posted the UFA OTs that are still available earlier and it ain't pretty.

Since we've traded for McNabb we might as well see if we can get Gaither from the Ravens and still draft an OT @ #4.


Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 8:40 PM |

Can you post a stat that proves this true, from what I have heard he played all 16 games last year and played well.

I can never find o-line stats.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 6, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Man there are a lot of posters here that seem to be missing a chromosome.

Trade Haynesworth. Nothing but a fat lazy overpaid ape. He probably is stiffing the guy he owes money to for medical bills from his car crash.

Posted by: Rahtard | April 6, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I love Philly. Very ethnic city. Women are hot in the Jewish & Italian ways of being hot. Cheese steaks are incredible and justifiably famous. Maybe it's just me but your screen name actually suggests "knuckle-dragger."

Posted by: League-Source
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I was just addressing their moral relaxation, but I can definitely see how YOU would consider them hot. They're basically a poor man's version of NYC's Italian/Jewish girls.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

This whole trading AH thing is making me think twice about Shanny. He's never been a great GM, and that was his greatest flaw in Denver. I hope he doesn't repeat that here..You can't trade everybody who disagrees with you - and AH never refused to play at any position Shanny has planned for him. But even to an amateur, its quite clear AH strengths do not lie in a 3-4, and that goes for most of the defense.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 6, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

What is the difference between the 2? Why are we crucifying AH and giving Carter a pass?

Posted by: p1funk

Maybe Carter is trying to work with the new regime, and AH is giving them the finger? Who knows? Give MS and BA the benfit of the doubt for God's sake!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 6, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Why are we crucifying AH and giving Carter a pass?

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 8:36 PM

Gotta be the pay check. Read a post earlier that said AH was not in the type of shape he should be in for the money he is getting. Never thought that players should be in shape based on how much money they make, but maybe I'm wrong.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 6, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Funny how alot of these bloggers, who are probably out of shape themselves, continuously refer to AH as lazy and out of shape. Show me one 350 pound man who is Lance Armstrongesque in conditioning? Ridiculous

Posted by: ga8085 | April 6, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Cheez-wiz...

Makes no sense but I was always in the bag as well when I scarfed em down as well..

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 8:32 PM

Story I heard on the food channel the other night was that cheez wiz got started because it's not really cheese and you can eat it with the steak and still be kosher. I dunno, but maybe that's it.

Posted by: League-Source | April 6, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Well this is certainly a relief to see: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/06/shanahan-wont-rule-out-drafting-a-quarterback/

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 8:50 PM |

He has to say that incase someone wants to trade up for a QB, they have to think we would be willing to draft him.

Adding a Vet LT would help in this area as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 6, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, L_S. It was almost getting civilized up here for a sec.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 6, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I mean...he is a QB that you look for...the team will break there ribs for the guy cause he can make them believe.

makes me believe...

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:07 PM

I don't use spell checker and I never do the spelling Nazi thing, but since you did...

What's your excuse with "there ribs."

Also WTF are you talking about...McNabb won games however the team hardly missed a step when he was injured and he was never known as a leader.

But feel free to break some ribs anyway.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

You forgot to even bother to notice my sarcasm with the fact i stated write for right...trying to kid with ya but your too wrapped up.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

They're basically a poor man's version of NYC's Italian/Jewish girls.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 8:48 PM

And a rich man's version of what passes for hot white chicks in Washington DC.

Posted by: League-Source | April 6, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Yeah...that would be great!

Pick up Flozell and he and Fat Albert can go at it in practice. Flozell can push him from behind and Albert can cleat him in the face.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 6, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I mean...he is a QB that you look for...the team will break there ribs for the guy cause he can make them believe.

makes me believe...

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 7:07 PM

I don't use spell checker and I never do the spelling Nazi thing, but since you did...

What's your excuse with "there ribs."

Also WTF are you talking about...McNabb won games however the team hardly missed a step when he was injured and he was never known as a leader.

But feel free to break some ribs anyway.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

You forgot to even bother to notice my sarcasm with the fact i stated write for right...trying to kid with ya but your too wrapped up.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/06/bruce-allen-says-redskins-have-contacted-flozell-adams/

Posted by: leevi98 |

Bruce's daddy has to be rolling over in his grave.

Posted by: dcwun | April 6, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Get Gaither? How?

I doubt the Ravens will be interested in our 4th rounder.

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 8:44 PM

Throw in nest year's 2nd rounder and The Skins would be investing in Gaither the equivalent of what they did for McNabb. Is getting a franchise LT worth it?

Posted by: TWISI | April 6, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan addresses Haynesworth report without details

http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/reds...thout-details/

Albert Haynesworth trade rumors continue to gain momentum (see: here and here) after several outlets reported earlier this week that the Redskins offered him to Philadelphia in the Donovan McNabb negotiations.

Coach Mike Shanahan gave a nondescript answer today when he was asked directly about Haynesworth’s inclusion in the McNabb trade talks.

“There’s so much information out there that was untrue,” he said. “I don’t even want to speculate with some of the names that were brought up. Some of them weren’t true.”

Which names were those?

“No, we don’t discuss that,” he said.

So for what it’s worth, Shanahan didn’t deny that Haynesworth–or LaRon Landry, for that matter–was involved when given the chance to do so.

Haynesworth is on the record as saying he does not want to play nose tackle in the Redskins’ new 3-4 base front, a preference that runs counter to the team-first approach Shanahan is demanding from his players.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | April 6, 2010 8:44 PM

Part sarcasm part truth. Since we have a 3 year window with McNabb we could trade next years 2nd and maybe leevi98 to the Ravens for Gaither.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah...that would be great!

Pick up Flozell and he and Fat Albert can go at it in practice. Flozell can push him from behind and Albert can cleat him in the face.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 6, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

For a minute there I wasnt sure where you were going with this..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 6, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

"Trade Haynesworth. Nothing but a fat lazy overpaid ape."

Prince Al is an 'ape'?

Wow: that's kinda racist, isn't it?

I'd call a guy a ton 'o things, but to refer to a professional athlete in terms not unlike historical racial stereotypes is totally uncool.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Part sarcasm part truth. Since we have a 3 year window with McNabb we could trade next years 2nd and maybe leevi98 to the Ravens for Gaither.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

your the one who has a problem with the new FO and all the moves the team makes...I'm supportive and not judging until their work is done...how bout we don't even bother trading you...just cut ya.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

all that complaining about Haynesworth and it turns out he played as many plays as any other interior D lineman on the team

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 6, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Flounder-

From Matt Williamson
Adams a liability in pass protection

"In protection, Adams became a desperate player -- and often had to cheat to compensate. With his problems getting off the ball, he can't afford to lose a step of his quickness in protection. He lost that step. Still, few left tackles pave the way in the run game as well as Adams, and that skill can't be denied."

So combine that with being 35 and being a penalty machine the Cowboys cut him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

flounder21

"Adding a Vet LT would help in this area as well."


So are you down with the "Call Flozell Adams" crowd?

Adams playing left tackle and a rookie playing right might be a plan.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow: that's kinda racist, isn't it?

I'd call a guy a ton 'o things, but to refer to a professional athlete in terms not unlike historical racial stereotypes is totally uncool.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Its not kinda racist, it is a racist statement. I'm sure whoever wrote that is looking forward to celebrating Virginia's Confederate History month in April.

Posted by: dcwun | April 6, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd call a guy a ton 'o things, but to refer to a professional athlete in terms not unlike historical racial stereotypes is totally uncool.

Posted by: MistaMoe
_________

Just don't call him late for dinner.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

For a minute there I wasnt sure where you were going with this..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 6, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully anywhere but here.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 6, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

No thanks to Flozell "the motel" Adams. I can just imagine a speed rusher beating him around the edge and giving McNabb another back injury.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 6, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

pabian2003

"...all that complaining about Haynesworth and it turns out he played as many plays as any other interior D lineman on the team.."

Trading Haynesworth means your defensive line tackle depth chart is:

Golston

Montegomery

Kemoteau

Daniels

(?)

So is trading him a good idea?

Nope.

Will it happen?

Maybe.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah...that would be great!

Pick up Flozell and he and Fat Albert can go at it in practice. Flozell can push him from behind and Albert can cleat him in the face.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 6, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully anywhere but here.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 6, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Sarcasim will miss some.


Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 6, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I'd call a guy a ton 'o things, but to refer to a professional athlete in terms not unlike historical racial stereotypes is totally uncool.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Kinda Howard Cosell'esque when he was broadcasting a play involving Alvin Garrett.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 6, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

No thanks to Flozell "the motel" Adams. I can just imagine a speed rusher beating him around the edge and giving McNabb another back injury.

Posted by: ga8085
____________________

So maybe he'd be better suited for RT? He's got his problems, but he's still all-world compared to Heyer, right? Could be a good stop gap measure... 1 year deal.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Flounder-

According to ProFootballFocus...

The Hotel
6th best run blocker
63rd best in pass pro

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I'd call a guy a ton 'o things, but to refer to a professional athlete in terms not unlike historical racial stereotypes is totally uncool.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Kinda Howard Cosell'esque when he was broadcasting a play involving Alvin Garrett.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 6, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

No thanks to Flozell "the motel" Adams. I can just imagine a speed rusher beating him around the edge and giving McNabb another back injury.

Posted by: ga8085
____________________

So maybe he'd be better suited for RT? He's got his problems, but he's still all-world compared to Heyer, right? Could be a good stop gap measure... 1 year deal.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I'd call a guy a ton 'o things, but to refer to a professional athlete in terms not unlike historical racial stereotypes is totally uncool.

Posted by: MistaMoe

a-la Howard Cosell broadcasting a play by Alvin Garrett

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 6, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

There's no way to keep JC17 is there? I mean i love his attitude and i despise the way he's been treated in this town and by this team i just hope and pray he's goes to a team that will support him and keep him upright in the pocket.Good luck JC17 and God's speed.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 6, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Baseball is boring.

Score: 4-4

Sawx v. Yanks, in Bahsthun

6th inning

The stadium is packed and folks are going nuts.

It's sad that they don't know that they are being bored to death.

Just like we skins fans will be for three days of the draft with only 4 picks to worry over.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

No thanks to Flozell "the motel" Adams. I can just imagine a speed rusher beating him around the edge and giving McNabb another back injury.

Posted by: ga8085
____________________

So maybe he'd be better suited for RT? He's got his problems, but he's still all-world compared to Heyer, right? Could be a good stop gap measure... 1 year deal.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Flounder-

From ProFootballFocus...

Adams
6th in Run Blocking
63rd in Pass Pro

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

So is trading him a good idea?

Nope.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2010 9:17 PM |

But talking about trading him is if you want to send a message that he needs to get with the program like everyone else.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 6, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand the grieve in Albert Haynesworth's absence from "voluntary" conditioning program, I'll shocked if Shanahan give away the best defensive player on the team simply because of ego, this is called "voluntary" and not a must! When did Dexter Manley ever show up for any conditioning program, Deter even called Jack Kent Cook a "miser" at one point, but that doesn't result to Joe Gibbs trading him away. Every NFL team have a knuckle head on its team and they managed them. Shanny ought to know how to manage a player like him.

Posted by: abxinc | April 6, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

So is trading him a good idea?

Nope.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2010 9:17 PM |

But talking about trading him is if you want to send a message that he needs to get with the program like everyone else.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 6, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

So is trading him a good idea?

Nope.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2010 9:17 PM |

But talking about trading him is if you want to send a message that he needs to get with the program like everyone else.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 6, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

So is trading him a good idea?

Nope.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2010 9:17 PM |

But talking about trading him is if you want to send a message that he needs to get with the program like everyone else.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 6, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: hokiesmokie

If this is true, the honeymoon is officially OVER! F anyone from the Cowboys.

Posted by: dcwun | April 6, 2010 8:24 PM

Yeah, it would TOTALLY SUCK to know both Jason Garrett's and Andy Reid's playbook!

Flozell is a Skin tomorrow. Okung is a Lion.

If they can't trade down, they get Bradford if available. If that's not there, then its Okung if he's available. If that's not there, then its Trent Williams ... or maybe Jimmy Clausen ... or maybe they just trade for the #4 pick for a legit free safety ... or Brandon Marshall.

Its win now, baby!

Posted by: dcsween | April 6, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

So is trading him a good idea?

Nope.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2010 9:17 PM |

But talking about trading him is if you want to send a message that he needs to get with the program like everyone else.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 6, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

So is trading him a good idea?

Nope.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2010 9:17 PM |

But talking about trading him is if you want to send a message that he needs to get with the program like everyone else.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 6, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Baseball is boring.

Score: 4-4

Sawx v. Yanks, in Bahsthun

6th inning

The stadium is packed and folks are going nuts.

It's sad that they don't know that they are being bored to death.

Just like we skins fans will be for three days of the draft with only 4 picks to worry over.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: hokiesmokie

If this is true, the honeymoon is officially OVER! F anyone from the Cowboys.

Posted by: dcwun | April 6, 2010 8:24 PM

Yeah, it would TOTALLY SUCK to know both Jason Garrett's and Andy Reid's playbook!

Flozell is a Skin tomorrow. Okung is a Lion.

If they can't trade down, they get Bradford if available. If that's not there, then its Okung if he's available. If that's not there, then its Trent Williams ... or maybe Jimmy Clausen ... or maybe they just trade for the #4 pick for a legit free safety ... or Brandon Marshall.

Its win now, baby!

Posted by: dcsween | April 6, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

No thanks to Flozell "the motel" Adams. I can just imagine a speed rusher beating him around the edge and giving McNabb another back injury.

Posted by: ga8085
____________________

So maybe he'd be better suited for RT? He's got his problems, but he's still all-world compared to Heyer, right? Could be a good stop gap measure... 1 year deal.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Looks like they fixed the google machine real good

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

No thanks to Flozell "the motel" Adams. I can just imagine a speed rusher beating him around the edge and giving McNabb another back injury.

Posted by: ga8085
____________________

So maybe he'd be better suited for RT? He's got his problems, but he's still all-world compared to Heyer, right? Could be a good stop gap measure... 1 year deal.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 6, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand the grieve in Albert Haynesworth's absence from "voluntary" conditioning program, I'll shocked if Shanahan give away the best defensive player on the team simply because of ego, this is called "voluntary" and not a must! When did Dexter Manley ever show up for any conditioning program, Deter even called Jack Kent Cook a "miser" at one point, but that doesn't result to Joe Gibbs trading him away. Every NFL team have a knuckle head on its team and they managed them. Shanny ought to know how to manage a player like him.

Posted by: abxinc | April 6, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Just watched that press conference/introduction of McNabb and he is definitely an impressive person.

Yeah, he's done a million interviews but he's very good. Campbell always seemed unsure of himself; not sure if that carried over into the lockerroom or not.

But McNabb seems to have "it".

Posted by: SteveMG | April 6, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"But talking about trading him is if you want to send a message that he needs to get with the program like everyone else."

How do you send a message to a dude who's just cashed a check for 21 mil?

(INSERT scene Dan Snyder confronting Albert Haynesworth outside the local 'Any Kinds Check Cashed' store where he's pushing a wheel barrel of cash through the glass door.)

Snyder: "Hey, you big ape, you'd better shape up or we're going ship you out!!"

Prince Al: "Hey, Dan, I didn't see you standing there."

Dan: "Why?"

"Why?" Al laughs. "'Cuz I now got stacks of money bigger than you, you little monkey."

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: hokiesmokie

If this is true, the honeymoon is officially OVER! F anyone from the Cowboys.

Posted by: dcwun | April 6, 2010 8:24 PM

Yeah, it would TOTALLY SUCK to know both Jason Garrett's and Andy Reid's playbook!

Flozell is a Skin tomorrow. Okung is a Lion.

If they can't trade down, they get Bradford if available. If that's not there, then its Okung if he's available. If that's not there, then its Trent Williams ... or maybe Jimmy Clausen ... or maybe they just trade for the #4 pick for a legit free safety ... or Brandon Marshall.

Its win now, baby!

Posted by: dcsween | April 6, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"Flozell is a Skin tomorrow"

If he is, let's hope for:

rookie--left tackle

Dock--left guard

Rabach--center

Williams--right guard

Adams--right tackle


The good question now is will L Jones continue to ignore the one year offer Shanallen gave him?

If Jones returns, you have to wonder if the team looks at E Berry at #4 if Okung is gone.

I'd say yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

he good question now is will L Jones continue to ignore the one year offer Shanallen gave him?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

they did make an offer...ok cool...thought skins just let him go...

So why in the hell would Jones turn that down to play with Shanny and company...not like teams wih that going on are knocking on his door.

Ya think McNabb trade may get levi moving?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey All! I had lost interest but then Nate informed us that we are winning the offseason again! Awesome!

Two comments:

1) Trading AH is a terrible idea. We paid him upfront. Now we have him over a barrel - you only have $9 MM more guaranteed (you are a cheap player at this point for us) and you are still above average at a minimum, and maybe will get your a$$ kicked into shape by new coaches etc. and if you don't you will never get your next big payday. Perhaps it doesn't matter to AH, but the worst possible outcome is trade him to NE, BB screams at him, and he is a ProBowler again. Hey Shanny - can you just try it for a bit 1st? Desperation trades = player devaluation.

Plus, the trade with Philly already tells you are not going to get anything for him - Philly would rather have a 2nd round pick and roll the dice with that than deal with AH.

So AH has to either rabilitate himself here, and get out of this low point, or then we just cut him - after all, he is a pretty cheap player (relatively) to keep at this point and the Dline looks pretty anemic without him.

2) I think DM is a clear upgrade. But does signing him imply trying to win this year or next? It seems like if you believe so, you really like it, and if you don't, you would prefer the draft pick - which while 2nd round is basically almost a low 1st rounder.

Happy offseason all

Posted by: zornskins2 | April 6, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

DeSean Jackson denies he wanted McNabb to be traded

Posted by Mike Florio on April 6, 2010 10:07 PM ET

Eagles receiver DeSean Jackson, speaking again regarding the trade that sent quarterback Donovan McNabb to Washington, denies that he led a group of young players who wanted to see the team turn the offense over to Kevin Kolb.

"I don't know why anybody would say that," Jackson said, per Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Inquirer. "Whatever the case was, if McNabb would have stayed another year . . . that's not my decision."

But Jackson admitted his initial reaction upon hearing the news was relief. "My first thought was -- not to say, 'About time' -- but just sitting around with just the rumors . . . it was just kind of tough for the team. Not knowing who was going to be here and who was going to stay. It's almost kind of a relief to know what we have here and just to go forward."

Jackson also referred to the new-look Eagles as the "young guns," an interesting choice of words given that McNabb said after a 24-0 loss to the Cowboys in the regular-season finale that the team "showed our youth." Though McNabb promptly backtracked, Jackson seemed to give credence to the notion that McNabb's comments created a problem.

"We talked and, you know, it's nothing big," Jackson said. "We've just gotta keep it in house and stick together as a team and don't let things like that break us up."

Meanwhile, another comment from the aftermath of that loss to the Cowboys was right on the money.

"We can't get embarrassed like that again on Saturday night," an unnamed veteran player told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio in advance of the wild-card game against the Cowboys, "or a lot of guys will lose their job."

The Eagles got embarrassed again -- and to date a lot of guys have indeed lost their jobs.

Including McNabb.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

After further thought on the whole AH thing is this: I think Shanny is just trying to drive home the point that no one is safe no matter what. I don't think he's goint to trade AH. I think he's going to use DE mostly. This is just posturing, kinda like a game of King of the Mountain.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 6, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 6, 2010 10:27 PM

Shanny tried to trade him Sunday but the Eagles were to smart. He will continue to try and I think he's willing to accept 10 cents on the dollar but not a penny.

I think he will be back next year and will give us 50% effort and will still be far and away our best lineman.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

This is a great opportunity for JC to make a statement and work out right next to McNabb saying essentially "screw you Skins I can beat out McNabb and I welcome the competition.. " Thats what the great QBs do when challenged.

JC needs to step up and fight... Not run.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 6, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I'd agree 1000%, but there's only 100%. There's a first time for everything. And our time to debate JC is almost up!

I was kinda hoping he'd do that, but I guess he hit his BS threshold back when the skins were actually feeding him Sanchez- and Cutler-flavored BS. I have to admit, it looks like he tucked tail when he could have tried to do something totally extraordinary in beating out McNabb in an open competition. Not that I think could've/would've won, but he didn't even try.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | April 6, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 6, 2010 10:27 PM

Shanny tried to trade him Sunday but the Eagles were to smart. He will continue to try and I think he's willing to accept 10 cents on the dollar but not a penny.

I think he will be back next year and will give us 50% effort and will still be far and away our best lineman.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 10:35 PM |

I don't know if I buy the trade smokescreen but I'll buy the second part. Night all.

HAIL!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 6, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

After further thought on the whole AH thing is this: I think Shanny is just trying to drive home the point that no one is safe no matter what. I don't think he's goint to trade AH. I think he's going to use DE mostly. This is just posturing, kinda like a game of King of the Mountain.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 6, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Maybe but if i'm AH with a new,fat $21 million check.....they can posture right on. I don't know why his fat azz just doesn't retire. Pro football is obviously a burden to him.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 6, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

chia, regarding my employed/unemployed comment i was agreeing with you on jreid. there're tons of unemployed folks that could do a better job covering the skins and blogging about it than this guy.

re: dnab trade...i WISH we owe philly a 3rd rounder next year...it'll mean dnab had a good year for US!!!!! WHAT WOULD BE SO HORRIBLE ABOUT THAT?! and why is this 3rd rounder news? it was reported by shefter yesterday or sunday night...

memo to people crying over o-line help: it is friggin april!!!!!! pre-draft! and vinny is not in charge for the first time in like gazillion years! cheer up!

Posted by: dealer1 | April 6, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

you r assuming shanny would give campbell that chance??

i don;t thin so

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 6, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope Donovan McNasty knows what he's doing with all this super bowl talk. He could end up looking really foolish.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 6, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

seriously what is wrong with these "fans"...they got mad when the worst coach in the nfl got fired, they got mad at the worst gm in the league got fired and now they're getting mad for trading for a qb that they haven't had in like 18 years?

seriously what's wrong with you people? be happy you have a superbowls winning coach, 5 time nfc champion qb, a better gm and he's getting rid of players who can't be depended on...

what is wrong with you people?

Posted by: dealer1 | April 6, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm sooo OVER Mike Shanahan. One stupid mistake after another.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 6, 2010 5:43 PM

LOL Another one for the list...i have been saving all posts like this cause I'm gonna post them at a later date when these "fans" are all happy they are winning! Why? Cause it's fun! lol

Posted by: leevi98 | April 6, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

So save this post, azzhat. Your stupidity reminds me of all the Florida homers that swarmed these here Post forums when Spurrier became head coach lol. Where o where are they now lol?

Posted by: Pepper5 | April 6, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

wtf happened there?

Posted by: dealer1 | April 6, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I sure do hope that the Skins owe the Eagles a 3rd round pick next year cause McNabb had a pro-bowl year. Haynesworth for Carriker and Barron.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 6, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

re: AH--I understand why Shanny may want him gone, but I don't get why fans want him gone. He was our best lineman by far and made everyone around him better. His snap count was about what I think most of us thought it would be. Who took more snaps than he did on our DL, Carter?

If he came back and gave us exactly what he gave us last year, I'd be totally happy. I don't give a rats ass where he works out.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | April 6, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Len Pasquarelli is an azz hole.

That is all.


For now, ha.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 6, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

pepper5, the irony of lisa's statement is that shanny has yet to coach a game for the skins, yet to conduct a draft, nab has yet to play a game for the skins.

Posted by: dealer1 | April 6, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I love how some of the biggest cerratto/zorn/jc apologists, who posted excuses like they were paid by the word, now have declared Shanahan a bust after 3 months on the job....

Posted by: chrislarry | April 6, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

CL, dealer--I've missed most of today, is there really a lot of that going around?

I'd have to say unless something totally abysmal occurs, we won't know for at least 2-3 years, which is probably a reasonable window for #5. Who knows, maybe more?

Probably not used to rooting for McNabb yet, it was a bit of a shock to the system. They'll be back when they see our offense begin to click.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | April 6, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

At three years and $16 million, Haynesworth contract is now very tradeable

Posted by Mike Florio on April 6, 2010 11:03 PM ET

With the Redskins paying defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth a $21 million bonus last week, we're told that the practical length and value of his contract is three years, $16 million, with $9 million guaranteed.

As a league source opined, "Every team in the NFL would have interest in that."

The question is whether and to what extent the Redskins would want reimbursement of the money paid last week. And that question depends on whether the Redskins prefer cash or draft picks -- and whether the teams that want him are willing to give up cash or draft picks.

In our view, coach Mike Shanahan likely would prefer to stockpile picks.

We've confirmed that the Redskins definitely attempted to trade Haynesworth before the $21 million payment came due. Others have reported that the efforts continue, with the Titans and Rams the teams most frequently mentioned. Now that the financial package has been reduced to a ridiculously affordable $16 million over three years, someone will bite if the price is right.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

pepper5, the irony of lisa's statement is that shanny has yet to coach a game for the skins, yet to conduct a draft, nab has yet to play a game for the skins.

Posted by: dealer1

Dealer, my comments have nothing to do with Shanahan's coaching or Donovan's QBing - although Shanny was not very successful his last few years in Denver.

I've always liked McNabb - except that he played for the hated Eagles. Always thought he was treated horribly in Philly. Which leads to my "point"....Shanahan has treated Jason Campbell like crap. Totally disrespected him by not even have the DECENCY to call and let him know we had signed McNabb.....JC had to find out from a reporter for the DC Examiner! This is NO DIFFERENT and perhaps even worse than Vinny & Snyder.

And to make matters worse, now Shanahan is trying to get rid of Haynesworth just because Big Al did not kiss his butt and show up for OTAs.

Snyder just paid Big Al 21 mil but since it's not Shanahan's $$$ guess it's no problem to him.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 6, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, I don't think they'll get that 3rd round pick. We will not win 9 games. McNabb will be break down mid way through the season.

Posted by: thor2 | April 6, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

You idiots have no clue. Bradford will go #1 to the Rams Sue will go#2 to the lons Mckoy willgo to TB and The Skins get Okong. Bank on it.

Posted by: cjpiper | April 6, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 6, 2010 11:31 PM

Lisa, you have a good heart..

But, football is a business. It's that simple.

McNabb was treated far worse by the fans in Philly than JC could ever imagine and I'm sure you know his resume compared to JC's.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

You idiots have no clue. Bradford will go #1 to the Rams Sue will go#2 to the lons Mckoy willgo to TB and The Skins get Okong. Bank on it.

Posted by: cjpiper | April 6, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

LOL, it always cracks me up when the fools coming on here calling other people idiots are the one's that spell like 5 year olds.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 6, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

If any of you had any sence you would see the wrighting on the wall. Rams #1 Bradford Lions #2 Sue, Bucs #3 McKoy, Skins #4 Okung. T%his makes our team this year we worry about next year5 next year.

Posted by: cjpiper | April 7, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, you have a good heart..

But, football is a business. It's that simple.

McNabb was treated far worse by the fans in Philly than JC could ever imagine and I'm sure you know his resume compared to JC's.

Posted by: Diesel44

McNabb was treated badly by the fans in Philly - not the Eagles organization. Jason, on the other hand, was treated atrociously by the Skins management/coaching staff. They did not provide an O line for him and almost got him killed -all the while trying to trade him away for that awful Jay Cutler. Now they trade for McNabb and that "God" Shanahan did not even have the decency to call and tell him personally? Please....

Just think how you would feel, Diesel, if you found out from a co-worker - or read in the newspaper - that you were being replaced and your boss did not tell you personally before this happened....would you still say "It's business" then?

I think not....

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 7, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

So when we beat the Eagles twice the Eagles fans can thank Donovan again.
;)

Posted by: Cobalt1 | April 7, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Sink or swim
Plummer's arrival puts Denver heat squarely on Shanahan
Posted: Thursday March 06, 2003 12:06 AM
Don Banks - Inside the NFL

"Now that the deal is done and his wish has been granted, he just ran out of excuses. There are no more culprits to blame for his own failings. And he's fresh out of convenient alibis to help deflect the heat.

He's getting a second chance in Denver, and everybody knows it's high time he made the most of it.

Jake Plummer? Nope, we're talking about that other career that has arrived at a crossroads in the Rocky Mountains. The one belonging to Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan.

It's hard to overestimate how much Plummer's arrival means to Shanahan's tenure in Denver. But suffice it to say, I see just two possibilities: It could sink it or save it.

Let's face it, soon enough, Shanahan isn't going to have deposed quarterback Brian Griese to kick around anymore, meaning you can bet the next blows likely will be aimed at him. Free pass time is finally over.

As one Denver observer put it to me Wednesday, right after the Broncos landed the most sought after free-agent quarterback in this year's market, starting now there's a chain that runs directly from Plummer's ankle to Shanahan's neck. Such is their fate so connected.

Simply put, Shanahan can't afford to let Plummer represent another miss on the personnel front. There have been too many in recent years, and they've been too glaring. Two Super Bowl titles bought the man they call "The Mastermind" boatloads of leeway in the Mile High City, but slowly and surely he has spent that capital without replenishing it. From now on, his mistakes will start sticking to him, and the heat will start rising. If it gets hot enough, rest assured even Shanahan's famous Teflon coating will burn.

Posted by: Pepper5 | April 7, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 7, 2010 12:11 AM

That's the very definition of business. JC was replaced by someone with a better resume and someone that is just plain better at his job.

This happens every day in the real world without people like you shedding any tears.

I said you have a good heart, don't let me add naive to the list.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

continued:

"Is it justified? Probably not, but when has that really mattered in the Not Fair League. After all, four years is an eternity in the NFL, and that's how long it has been since Denver was the defending Super Bowl champion.

In Shanahan's first four seasons with the Broncos, his teams went 47-17 in the regular season, 7-1 in the playoffs, made the postseason three times and won two Super Bowls. In the four seasons since, all without John Elway at quarterback, Denver is 34-30, hasn't won a playoff game and has only reached the postseason once in that span. You have to go back to 1980-83 to find the last time the Broncos made the playoffs just once in a four-season stretch.

In wrapping up expensive free-agent deals with Plummer and defensive tackle Daryl Gardener on Wednesday, the Broncos and Shanahan bravely waded back into a pool that of late has been more of a bottomless pit of quicksand. You name it, and Denver has spent free-agent money for it without results.

can forget flops like Dale Carter or Leon Lett or Chester McGlockton or Blake Brockermeyer or Rob Moore or Lional Dalton or Kavika Pittman? Certainly not Broncos fans, who have come to believe that their favorite club flies in prospective free agents via the Bermuda Triangle.

And wasn't it less than two years ago that Shanahan invested in Griese to the tune of six years at $39 million, with a fat $12.6 million signing bonus? That was the same month, of course, that the Broncos selected their infamous draft class of 2001, which included busts like cornerback Willie Middlebrooks, defensive end Paul Toviessi and defensive end Reggie Hayward in the opening three rounds. If you can't recall a single contribution made by those three, it's with good reason. They basically they never made it on the field.

Give Shanahan credit for this much: Like a frantic safe-cracker, he keeps plugging away, trying different combinations, convinced he's not far from unlocking success. When others saw Griese's big contract as marrying him to the Broncos, Shanahan saw it as throwing good money after bad and moved on Plummer. It was a risky move, but having lost all faith in Griese, Shanahan knew it was time to gamble.

"They've done just about everything they could do," one AFC West source said. "They've made a lot of mistakes lately, but my hat's off to them because they keep trying. Shanahan's determined to find the right mix of players, and obviously money is not an object with them."

Posted by: Pepper5 | April 7, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

part 3 of 3:

With Plummer, Shanahan is hoping that by changing his team's vibe at the game's key leadership position, the improvement will be exponential. Try as he may, he never figured out how to effectively push the buttons of the moody and iconoclastic Griese, who paled in comparison to Elway's charismatic leadership.

In Plummer, Shanahan sees another Elway-like competitor, a proven comeback artist who can inspire his team with his daring escape acts, maybe turning back the clock to the days of Mile High magic.

"Clearly this was an off-the-field move," one league source said. "Otherwise it wasn't worth it to go through it, because Plummer and Griese are so comparable as quarterbacks. It has to be that Shanahan just likes Plummer better as a leader than he did Griese."

The tricky part is that Shanahan doesn't want the razzle-dazzle version of Plummer who was always playing from behind in Arizona, usually after helping put his team into an early hole with a couple of big mistakes. He wants Plummer to learn to manage a game, protect a lead and rely on the bountiful offensive weapons that he'll around him, like running back Clinton Portis and receivers Rod Smith, Ashley Lelie and Ed McCaffrey.

Plummer won't have to produce as many explosive plays as he was asked to generate with the Cardinals, as long as he doesn't implode when games are on the line. Shanahan obviously believes that's a reachable goal and that his talented team will rally around its new offensive leader.

But if it doesn't, and this latest Denver fix doesn't take, it's going to be another Broncos leader -- the one who once wore that Super Bowl luster -- who bears the brunt of the blame. Shanahan's proven track record aside, you get the feeling that another 6-2 start followed by a 3-5 second half won't be acceptable next time around.

It all adds up to big pressure in Denver this season. Plummer's second chance could well be Shanahan's last.

Posted by: Pepper5 | April 7, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

That's the very definition of business. JC was replaced by someone with a better resume and someone that is just plain better at his job.

This happens every day in the real world without people like you shedding any tears.

I said you have a good heart, don't let me add naive to the list.


Posted by: Diesel44

Call me naive if you wish but at least I can read.....as I WROTE - the problem I have is not which QB is better, it's the flippin' genius coach not having the COMMON DECENCY to let the current QB know about the trade without having to find it
out by a DC Examiner reporter. There was absolutely no excuse for that atrocious action - pick up the flippin' phone and make a quick call!

That's my big issue - that and Shanny trading away draft picks. How can we field a team with only 4 picks - and only one of them early in the draft?

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 7, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Trade Haynesworth. Nothing but a fat lazy overpaid ape. He probably is stiffing the guy he owes money to for medical bills from his car crash.

Posted by: Rahtard

Big Al "Fatsackuhsh't" Haynesworth is a hell of a defensive tackle though. I'm thinking Shanny can get better out of Hanesworth once the "overpaid ape" gets in training camp and realizes how different the organization is. He may not love the 3-4, but he will perform if he can be coerced to forget about how bad a deal it may appear to him at first.

So Im thinking shanny will need a second round pick for this selfish dikkhead, no less.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | April 7, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 7, 2010 12:46 AM

Lisa-

That's how it happens. There are better ways of doing it but there isn't a good way of firing, breaking up, cutting, demoting, or hiring your replacement.

He is still employed, right?

Hey if breakups didn't end on a sour note than there is always a chance that the two parties would get back together. Sadly for JC...this relationship is over.

I agree with you but you shouldn’t become so emotional about the players. Be passionate about the uniform and not the players. You’ll have a lifetime to cheer for the burgundy and gold but the average player is only around for a couple of years.

Goodnight.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 1:01 AM | Report abuse

When Pro Bowl voting time comes (we still get to vote for that in NFL right?) nobody better vote for Mcnabb just to play it safe. Philly fans are such pricks I bet the stuff the ballot boxes and he is named Pro Bowl starter no matter what he does on the field. I hope we lose the 3rd because we are 9-7 or better but lets just play it safe on the pro bowl thing in case.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | April 7, 2010 1:02 AM | Report abuse

then not than...ahh who cares

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Diesel and Lisa, you're both throwing some good shots. Been fun following it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Call me naive if you wish but at least I can read.....as I WROTE - the problem I have is not which QB is better, it's the flippin' genius coach not having the COMMON DECENCY to let the current QB know about the trade without having to find it
out by a DC Examiner reporter. There was absolutely no excuse for that atrocious action - pick up the flippin' phone and make a quick call!

That's my big issue - that and Shanny trading away draft picks. How can we field a team with only 4 picks - and only one of them early in the draft?

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 7, 2010 12:46 AM
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Lisa.. good point to some degree..
However, JC cannot be surprised... or hurt.. He has had 3 months to digest the fact that..

a. Skins did not want to sign him to an Extension.

b. No other team has asked him to "visit", so far.

c. He was tendered only a 1st.. Not a 1st and 3rd which is what teams do when they dont want to lose the RFA. Yet, the Skins, for only $124K more, could of required a 1st and 3rd from any team acquiring JC.. What the Skins did is called a subtle "lets make a deal...we dont want him but we do wish to recover some of our investment."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 7, 2010 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Call me naive if you wish but at least I can read.....as I WROTE - the problem I have is not which QB is better, it's the flippin' genius coach not having the COMMON DECENCY to let the current QB know about the trade without having to find it
out by a DC Examiner reporter. There was absolutely no excuse for that atrocious action - pick up the flippin' phone and make a quick call!

That's my big issue - that and Shanny trading away draft picks. How can we field a team with only 4 picks - and only one of them early in the draft?

Posted by: Lisa_R
These sort of trades happen all the "flippin" time in pro ball without the player knowing. Lombardi sat down with a player who was unhappy with his contract, left the room briefly after a few minutes of discussion, and when he walked back in said, "Sorry kid, youre in the wrong city; I just traded you to the Giants."
That is how this business is, you can't always feel the love with your players; often you have to act quickly for your team.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | April 7, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

I said you have a good heart, don't let me add naive to the list.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Be ready to throw in illogical and analytically challenged as well.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 7, 2010 3:53 AM | Report abuse

Loved what I saw of McNabb at yesterday's presser; very charismatic and seems like a solid leader. Very refreshing.

And even more refreshing is Shanny's apparent attempt at getting Haynesworth's fat ass outta here. Some up here were calling me crazy for wanting to trade him but it sure looks like I wasn't the only one after all...

I'd call up Carolina and see how many of these spare parts they'd be willing to take off our hands. Their FO and coach are on the hot seat and need to win now...which is a recipe to give up picks (since they might not be around to spend 'em anyway) for players that can help NOW. Landry, Haynesworth, Campbell, and Carter all play positions of need for them and if we can get a 2nd rounder and a couple conditional mid-round picks in next year's draft that would be a HUGE coup. Not saying it'll happen, but I'd at least explore it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 7, 2010 5:31 AM | Report abuse

[Shanahan wants to "break the culture of players being too empowered at Redskins Park"]

Here's the most refreshing thing I've heard since Shanaman arrived. Make this happen and the tudes will change on and off the field.
The winds continue to blow at Redskins Park. Ho-Hoo you got to love it.

And oh by the way if you're listening don't forget to fix the O-line.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 7, 2010 5:56 AM | Report abuse

Lisa must have been home schooled. Lisa do you have a job? She probably doesn't even know what "naive" means. I wonder if Lisa has a problem with the way the organization and that "God" Spurrier treated Patrick Ramsey?

Let's be honest Lisa, If Mike Shanahan were Black and Jason Campbell were White, somehow I don't think you'd be so emotional. Oi

Posted by: Risa_L | April 7, 2010 6:03 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 7, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Pepper5--

Nice pull on that Don Banks piece above. Apparently Don Banks has been gunning for Mike Shanahan for a while now. Add that to his Redskins hate and you get a near-perfect storm of vitriol.

The ax he was grinding then was Jake Plummer to the Broncos, hoping that wouldn't work out. Well, it did work out, at least until Cutler turned up.

Posted by: League-Source | April 7, 2010 6:15 AM | Report abuse

Getting McNabb is all Snyder's doing. Shanahan and Allen are nothing but yes men to Snyder's bidding. Assembling a fantasy football team that was good 5 years ago is the same thing that he did in 2000. This time around, he's getting Shanahan to take the fall for him if it fails. Shanahan doesn't mind, he love's Snyder's money too much. Money is the root of this.

DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR. You're playing into evil Snyder's hands.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | April 7, 2010 6:17 AM | Report abuse

stop burning f-ing draft picks!!!!

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 7, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

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