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Redskins expected to face more questions about McNabb

By Jason Reid

With their bye week completed, the Redskins return to work Monday at Redskins Park, and Coach Mike Shanahan is expected to face many more questions about his controversial decision to bench Pro Bowl quarterback Donovan McNabb.

Privately, many within the organization acknowledge Shanahan could have handled things much better while initially meeting with the media after a 37-25 loss to the Detroit Lions in Week 8. Shanahan said backup Rex Grossman gave the Redskins "the best chance to win" in the final 1 minute 50 seconds at Ford Field. Many veteran players were upset about the move.

Regardless of McNabb's shaky performance throughout the season and in the game - and he did not play well, again - the 12-year veteran is highly respected. His teammates believe they always have a chance to win with McNabb on the field. The same confidence level does not exist in Grossman, who has a 69.6 career passer rating.

The day after the game, Shanahan said McNabb's injuries contributed to the benching. Then offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan stirred more confusion two days after the game when he tried to clarify some of his father's comments, saying that McNabb was informed early in the week he could be removed because of his performance. Said McNabb: "Ah, I didn't hear that part. I didn't."

Since the preseason, we've reported that McNabb has struggled in the Shanahans's offense, and his lack of efficiency could be a hurdle in contract negotiations for the extension McNabb has wanted since the Philadelphia Eagles traded him to the Redskins on Easter Sunday. Although Kyle Shanahan has said all the right things publicly about McNabb, their partnership is not going well, according to multiple people familiar with the situation.

Kyle Shanahan has become increasingly frustrated with McNabb's performance in leading a Redskins offense that ranks 23rd in the NFL with an average of 19.4 points per game and next to last in third-down efficiency at 23.8 percent. This is not the way Mike Shanahan's version of the West Coast offense is suppose to operate.

After the game in Detroit, Shanahan said McNabb is still the Redskins' starting quarterback. The Redskins play host to the Eagles on Nov. 15 at FedEx Field, and it would be stunning if McNabb, barring injury, did not start against his former team.

Then again, who thought McNabb would be benched in favor of Grossman with an outcome still in doubt?

By Jason Reid  | November 8, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb, Mike Shanahan, Rex Grossman  
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Damn, I hope #5 can shut everyone up with a lights out performance next Monday night....

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

Firstly Shanahan may be wondering if he has the right quarterback in Mcnabb, but now the fans are really beginning to wonder if we have the right coach!

Posted by: go88car | November 8, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Firstly Shanahan may be wondering if he has the right quarterback in Mcnabb, but now the fans are really beginning to wonder if we have the right coach!

Posted by: go88car | November 8, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse


"We have so many things that we need to correct and address that this game so vividly exposed," Jones said. "I've got a lot of work to do. I've got a lot of decisions to make."

jones is his own worse enemy. far and above, this guy is in denial about his ability to be a GM and own a team. I for one love the fact that such a self indulged moron owns the cowboys, a team we don't have to worry about as long as he owns them.

he-he-he


Posted by: hessone | November 8, 2010 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Great Q and A session from Keim at the Examiner:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Redskins-Mailbag-AskJohn-106765533.html

And here's his answer for you lost souls in the "trade McNabb" camp:

"Yes, it is possible (McNabb is only here a year). Until they sign him, it’s very possible. But it’s probably more their call than McNabb’s, so franchising him would not be an option. Like I said in an earlier answer, they should have known everything about McNabb so that when you trade for him you know what you can and can’t accept and you sign him to an extension. Otherwise you surrender picks on a one-year experiment. It’s a bit too soon to judge Kyle Shanahan as an offensive coordinator considering the inconsistency in the talent base. Of course, that could apply to the players as well. It takes a looong time to get a new offense going and couple that with a revamped line, one proven receiver and a banged-up backfield, it’s hard to generate much offense Not saying he shouldn’t be criticized and I do agree on fitting the offense to what you have rather than forcing a bad fit. Arrogance can trip up many a coach; guys don't change this late in their career. Find a way to make it work with who they are.

I agree on the personnel moves. Never understood Galloway’s signing; he was done a couple years ago and receivers do not improve at age 38. But McNabb does have a good starting point with Chris Cooley and Santana Moss. The problem is, the dropoff from those two is significant. I do like Armstrong, but as a No. 3.

Coaches like Rabach because he’s a very smart center and excels with line calls etc.; the intangibles of the position. But he has struggled, no doubt. Defensive tackles are getting too much penetration on some stretch plays. The hard part with the line is that they might need to replace as many as three starters; and right tackle is probably the biggest issue. Not sure that’s going to improve this season."

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

meanwhile Oakland is now 5-3.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 8, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow, don't the Cowboys make all of the Redskins' issues seem petty? It's too bad Seattle and Indy couldn't put together better games to beat the other NFC East teams, but any time Dallas loses, it's a win for the Redskins.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 8, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Alex, they're actually 5-4...but I get your point.

JC is what I always thought he was...a decent QB you can win with if you don't ask him to outright win games for you by himself. They're running the ball as well as anyone and their D is pretty good. I picked the Raiders to win 9 games and take the AFC West and I'm feeling pretty good about that prediction right about now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

meanwhile Oakland is now 5-3.

Posted by: alex35332

Yeap Alex and JC is on a 3 game winning streak. Did you see him stand tall and make a great pass to set up the winning field goal?

I said it then and will say it again. We should have kept JC for one year and used that 2nd round pick for McNabb to pick up another lineman. Which this team needs badly.

Posted by: jm220 | November 8, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse


I said it then and will say it again. We should have kept JC for one year and used that 2nd round pick for McNabb to pick up another lineman. Which this team needs badly.

Posted by: jm220 | November 8, 2010 7:48 AM |

same thing I've been saying, only I believe we shouldn't trade any of our draft picks, period. it falls on deaf ears jm, whether it's the FO or this board, it's WIN NOW at the risk of our future. some things never change, just look at dallas and jones.

Posted by: hessone | November 8, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Good time for Campbell to develop a deep ball

Posted by: westjr88 | November 8, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Good time for Campbell to develop a deep ball

Posted by: westjr88 | November 8, 2010 7:55 AM


To be fair, he always had it...just never had a coach to develop it. Can't fault JC for having coaches that tried to make him into the next Mark "Checkdown King" Brunell...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse


To be fair, he always had it...just never had a coach to develop it. Can't fault JC for having coaches that tried to make him into the next Mark "Checkdown King" Brunell...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 8:01 AM |

brown, checkdowns are part of the game. just yackin'....

Posted by: hessone | November 8, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse


just one post from a cowboy's fan on the dallas morning news board, and let me tell ya, jones is taking a bashing down there. how could a redskin fan not feel giddy about them cowboy's this morning
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Progressive Texan
7:05 AM on November 8, 2010

Jerry - do it today. This morning. Put him out of his misery so we can all scratch out a little respect for the remainder of the season. Name an interim. Bring in a temporary. Do something. Do not disrespect what's left of your loyal fan base. Wade could not look more dumbfounded, clueless and out of touch with this organization standing on the sidelines on national TV.

Have mercy on us.

Posted by: hessone | November 8, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

This sounds like me after I saw the Dallas/GB score:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb8fWUUXeKM

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse


just one post from a cowboy's fan on the dallas morning news board, and let me tell ya, jones is taking a bashing down there. how could a redskin fan not feel giddy about them cowboy's this morning
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Progressive Texan
7:05 AM on November 8, 2010

Jerry - do it today. This morning. Put him out of his misery so we can all scratch out a little respect for the remainder of the season. Name an interim. Bring in a temporary. Do something. Do not disrespect what's left of your loyal fan base. Wade could not look more dumbfounded, clueless and out of touch with this organization standing on the sidelines on national TV.

Have mercy on us.

Posted by: hessone | November 8, 2010 8:10 AM
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I hear Snyder has the number of a good BINGO caller if they need someone to finish the season for them...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 8, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Well, in my observation, Campbell is the same now as he ever was. Holding on to the ball, getting sacked and padding his stats in the last couple minutes of the 4th quarter while his team is behind and the defense is playing prevent.

He is not the reason that they are 5-4.

Posted by: westjr88 | November 8, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

I don't here any Dallas fans clamoring for Jason Garrett anymore.
They are ready to turn the whole works loose around there.
Welcome to our world, Dallas......

Posted by: westjr88 | November 8, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

honestly, I don't get the whole, "checking in on the dallas blogs" thing...maybe its me...who cares about them...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

brown, checkdowns are part of the game. just yackin'....

Posted by: hessone | November 8, 2010 8:05 AM


Never said it wasn't...but if you're a weakarmed 34 year-old QB that can't push the ball more than 20 yards downfield it's a living. If you're a young, athletic 27 year-old with a strong arm it's crazy to have to play that way. Just another in a long list of players we've misused over the years...

Good to see Dallas fans in such agony...couldn't happen to a better fanbase...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Firstly Shanahan may be wondering if he has the right quarterback in Mcnabb, but now the fans are really beginning to wonder if we have the right coach!

Posted by: go88car | November 8, 2010 6:53 AM
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Speak for yourself. I am sure we have the right coach. McNabb might not have learned the system quick enough and Shanahan may have botched putting Grossman in at the end of the last game, but this is just a speed bump on their way to becoming a better team.

It amazes me how quickly some fans forget. If Zorn was here, do you think we would be 4-4? At the end of last season we had a BINGO caller calling the plays, players throwing their QB under the bus in the media, the infamous swinging gate play, and the team finished 4-12. If you think you can go from that dysfunctional mess to contender without having a few ripples in the pond, then you're crazy.

One thing is for sure: the more McNabb talks to the media the less he endears himself with Shanahan. I suspect Junior got an earful for his comments to the media, as well. Stuff like this this gets blown out of proportion with the media and Shanny likes to give the media very little ammo.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 8, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse


honestly, I don't get the whole, "checking in on the dallas blogs" thing...maybe its me...who cares about them...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2010 8:18 AM |

bean, you're a redskins fan and you don't relish the fact that dallas is the worse team in the nfc ? have you got a pulse ? it's more like you've got a hardon for me. just skip my post and read on. thanks - hess

Posted by: hessone | November 8, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Campbell is the same now as he ever was. Holding on to the ball, getting sacked and padding his stats in the last couple minutes of the 4th quarter while his team is behind and the defense is playing prevent.

Posted by: westjr88 | November 8, 2010 8:13 AM


If by "padding his stats in the last couple minutes" you mean "making a few plays in the 4th quarter to help his team win" then yes, you're right.

I mean, really...I guess it's literally painful for some people to give the kid a little credit when he does well...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

RSH,

Didn't you know Shanny walked in on a great 4-12 team with all the right players and boat load of draft picks. I'm surprised we are not 8-0 he needs to be fired at the end of the year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 8, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Who gives a damn hell what you fools think about Shanahan and how he's running the team with the haynesworth and mcnabb issues. Man up and take it instead of whining like a bunch of cry babies. Shanahan is the COACH and that's what it is. It's his way or the highway. If you babies are going to cry about it, go run up to your mamas and let them hug you while you cry yourselves to sleep.

Posted by: getitritegov | November 8, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm a redskins fan hess, I follow the redskins, not their opponents...so I'm a red sox fan also, should I be jumping onto the NY Post to check in on the yanks?? I guess I couldn't care less what the fans of the cowboys were saying....if you can understand that....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse


If by "padding his stats in the last couple minutes" you mean "making a few plays in the 4th quarter to help his team win" then yes, you're right.

I mean, really...I guess it's literally painful for some people to give the kid a little credit when he does well...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 8:24 AM |

I agree brown, JC put the ball only where his receiver could catch it for the winning FG. good job JC and I wish him the best

Posted by: hessone | November 8, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

honestly, I don't get the whole, "checking in on the dallas blogs" thing...maybe its me...who cares about them...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2010 8:18 AM


I'm with you on that...I love that they're in agony down there but I have ZERO desire to read any of what they're writing. It's amazing there's anything on the board at all, considering their fanbase strikes me as the type to try and write on their computer screens in crayon...

I suspect Hess is the one doing all PampaTex and other Cowpie d-baggery we've been seeing up here this year. Too much coincidence with his preoccupation with the Dallas blogs and the "he-he-he" mess....

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

didnt these morons watch film on mcnabb?he was bouncing balls at guys feet,overthrowing wide open guys,he was what everyone in philly saw every week.put him in positions that he is comfortable with and he will be alright.shanny should have played fat albert where he would be at his best,not try to force him to play their way.they have lost the team,if the skins win one more game i will be shocked.when shanny came here we needed line help running backs,recievers what did he do skins still have same needs only worse.

Posted by: kristy2005 | November 8, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

brown....I like the kid, don't get me wrong, but do you remember how many games we were behind and had to rally against a PREVENT defense, not the one that was blitzing and sacking his azz ALL GAME long.
It was not his fault entirely. He never had a good scheme, good coaches, good offensive line.....and so on, but when you are good, you have to find a way to overcome that.
He is a great guy and all that but a mediocre quarterback with a big arm.

Posted by: westjr88 | November 8, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

meanwhile Oakland is now 5-3.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 8, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Hey look, pabrainiac2003 got a new User ID!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 8, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

.....and 60 yds through through 3 quarters is awesome. Way to go JC. You've finally arrived.

Posted by: westjr88 | November 8, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

About Peyton Hillis, who ran over and through the Pats yesterday for Cleveland: don't forget he's done this before. In 2008, for Mike Shanahan in Denver. Hillis moved over from FB after some injuries and surprising everybody by averaging 5 yards a carry and nearly 13 yards per catch. Had 6 TDs as well. Another day NE might have adjusted, but not yesterday.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 8, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

if shanny saw film of mcnabb last year he would see nothing has changed. philly fans saw this every week.shannahan must put him in a better position to succeed. let him do what he does best.sexy rexy isnt the answer.

Posted by: kristy2005 | November 8, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

if shanny saw film of mcnabb last year he would see nothing has changed. philly fans saw this every week.shannahan must put him in a better position to succeed. let him do what he does best.sexy rexy isnt the answer.

Posted by: kristy2005 | November 8, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

The bye week is for NERDS!!! IT'S PHILLY WEEK BABY!!!!!!!!!!

That means your week vacation is over Reid and company, get back to work!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 8, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse


I'm a redskins fan hess, I follow the redskins, not their opponents...so I'm a red sox fan also, should I be jumping onto the NY Post to check in on the yanks?? I guess I couldn't care less what the fans of the cowboys were saying....if you can understand that....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2010 8:28 AM |

understood, by the way bean, since I've given up my boycott snyder and I've been talking nothing but football since, maybe you could lighten up. it's unhealthy to hold grudges for so long

HTTR, something we all can agree on

Posted by: hessone | November 8, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

West, he looks mediocre when you put him on a 4-12 team with no line and no weapons. You put him on a team that gives him some decent protection, a ground game, and a defense--dude can be a decent QB. I don't really wanna go on and on about a former player all day, but he's what he's always been--a middle of the road QB. You can certainly do better, but it's much easier to do A LOT worse...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Saw this little nugget regarding Devin Thomas while browsing the fantasy results.

"Recommendation: Thomas was not on the team's injury report this week, and appears to be a healthy scratch. For those still clinging to Thomas in hopes he realizes his potential, it's time to cut ties."

(Rotowire.com)

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | November 8, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

agreed brown

Posted by: westjr88 | November 8, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

hess, you think I'm holding a grudge, because I don't understand the concept behind checking in on the cowboys and what their fans think....is this serious...I don't get it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

lmao @ Flounder.

And I have to give props to Soup today. If there's one thing you can say about him, he's resilient.

I have to stop short of wishing him well, though. Just can't bring myself to do that.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 8, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

It’s a bit too soon to judge Kyle Shanahan as an offensive coordinator considering the inconsistency in the talent base. Of course, that could apply to the players as well. It takes a looong time to get a new offense going and couple that with a revamped line, one proven receiver and a banged-up backfield, it’s hard to generate much offense Not saying he shouldn’t be criticized and I do agree on fitting the offense to what you have rather than forcing a bad fit.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

It is funny how he defends Kyle Shanahan and implicitly throws McNabb under the bus. The same logic applies to McNabb’s performance since he has been here. The talent base on offense is horrible at best and as much as you can’t expect an offensive coordinator to succeed with such putrid talent base, you should not expect a QB to work miracles either. I don’t see Kyle Shanahan getting hit time and time again during every play.
If it comes down to track records, I’m more willing to give McNabb a benefit of a doubt because he has been a successful QB longer than Kyle Shanahan has been a successful coordinator.

Posted by: Ejayraptor | November 8, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I have to stop short of wishing him well, though. Just can't bring myself to do that.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 8, 2010 8:43 AM


Why is that? I'm starting to warm up to the Raiders a bit...they've got JC, a speedy RB, one of the classiest players in the NFL in Nnamdi Asomugha, and their HC looks eerily similar to Curly of the Three Stooges. Can't see what's not to like there...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I don't have a porblem w/ da Raidas (other than my leftover 1983 Stuporbowel grudge... which applies). No, my prblem is having to watch former Skins do well elsewhere.

If I were a gentleman, I'd want them to succeed. But I'm no where near that. I want them all to fail badly once they leave here. Sorry. I know it makes me bitter... but at least I'm honest about it. lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 8, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

brown, I'm hoping the raiders do well also, only because the pats have the raiders 1st round pick...loved that the pats took it on the chin in cleveland yesterday...hope they get SHREDDED by pittsburg....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse


hess, you think I'm holding a grudge, because I don't understand the concept behind checking in on the cowboys and what their fans think....is this serious...I don't get it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2010 8:42 AM |

no bean, it's all your responses to my post. doesn't matter, it's time to move on. just skip my post if they bother you and have a great day.

Posted by: hessone | November 8, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I'd say it's a little bit of BOTH of their faults. It's McNabb's fault cause he's a veteran and should know better. He's gotta be smarter with the football and use his legs more.

It's Kyle's fault because ultimately he is the one calling the plays. The play calling at the end of a few games just sucked, and if McNabb is floundering, it's up to him to either:
A. Change the playcalling to suit McNabb's strengths. Remember, he's still in a new offensive scheme.
B. Go talk to DADDY and see what he thinks, cause Kyle ain't been in the NFL that long and should be humble enough to ask questions and adapt.

Question of the Day:
Did he get too big of a head from last year when the Texan's offense was #1???

Posted by: monk811 | November 8, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Someone on TV said yesterday that Matt Shaub has been a disappointment this year. Is that attributed to Shanahan leaving?

Posted by: westjr88 | November 8, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

It is funny how he defends Kyle Shanahan and implicitly throws McNabb under the bus. The same logic applies to McNabb’s performance since he has been here. The talent base on offense is horrible at best and as much as you can’t expect an offensive coordinator to succeed with such putrid talent base, you should not expect a QB to work miracles either. I don’t see Kyle Shanahan getting hit time and time again during every play.
If it comes down to track records, I’m more willing to give McNabb a benefit of a doubt because he has been a successful QB longer than Kyle Shanahan has been a successful coordinator.


Posted by: Ejayraptor | November 8, 2010 8:48 AM


Right...I defend McNabb same as I ever did JC because I hate the notion that QBs get all the credit for wins and all the blame for losses. As if there aren't coaches on the sidelines pulling the strings and 21 other players on offense/defense don't have anything to do with the game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

their HC looks eerily similar to Curly of the Three Stooges. Can't see what's not to like there...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

When I hit that coach, I thought he was Moe!!! I'm a victim of soicumstance! NUK NUK NUK!!!!!

Tom "Curly" Cable

Posted by: monk811 | November 8, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Yeap Alex and JC is on a 3 game winning streak. Did you see him stand tall and make a great pass to set up the winning field goal?

I said it then and will say it again. We should have kept JC for one year and used that 2nd round pick for McNabb to pick up another lineman. Which this team needs badly.

Posted by: jm220 | November 8, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse


Did you see JC's pass on the game-tying drive in regulation?

The one that he threw right to Brandon Flowers who inexplicably bobbled and juggled it into Jacoby Ford's arms?

And were you still saying that when JC got benched in Oakland at the start of season?

Sheesh.

Posted by: p1funk | November 8, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

"Firstly Shanahan may be wondering if he has the right quarterback in Mcnabb, but now the fans are really beginning to wonder if we have the right coach!

Posted by: go88car | November 8, 2010 6:53 AM
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Speak for yourself. I am sure we have the right coach."


I do also.

How many years have players come through Washington just to get paid and be lazy bums?? Now the Skins have a coach who has a backbone and people are upset??

My, how we all have short memories.

I've always been a McNabb fan, but just maybe Philly was right. I don't even hear ANYBODY mentioning this. I hope this all works out, but it doesn't seem like it's going to.

Maybe McNabb is not a good fit for Washington. That does not make him a bad QB, just not here.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 8, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Jason - how about making a real contribution to your blog and move on to something else? This subject has become cyclonic and tiresome

Posted by: erthdog | November 8, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I don't have a porblem w/ da Raidas (other than my leftover 1983 Stuporbowel grudge... which applies). No, my prblem is having to watch former Skins do well elsewhere.

If I were a gentleman, I'd want them to succeed. But I'm no where near that. I want them all to fail badly once they leave here. Sorry. I know it makes me bitter... but at least I'm honest about it. lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 8, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

1983.....sole reason I can never root for the Raiders

Posted by: westjr88 | November 8, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

brown, I'm hoping the raiders do well also, only because the pats have the raiders 1st round pick...loved that the pats took it on the chin in cleveland yesterday...hope they get SHREDDED by pittsburg....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2010 8:53 AM


Agreed. Plus I think you and I can agree in taking almost perverse joy in seeing the Pats get their taints handed to 'em like they did in Cleveland yesterday.

Speaking of the Browns...is it me or do they show up in a big way against top teams? I mean, they didn't just win in NO and home against NE...they KILLED those teams...

McCoy looks legit as at least a game manager and Hillis is the truth. I'd love to have both of those guys right about now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Yeap Alex and JC is on a 3 game winning streak. Did you see him stand tall and make a great pass to set up the winning field goal?

I said it then and will say it again. We should have kept JC for one year and used that 2nd round pick for McNabb to pick up another lineman. Which this team needs badly.

Posted by: jm220 | November 8, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse


Did you see JC's pass on the game-tying drive in regulation?

The one that he threw right to Brandon Flowers who inexplicably bobbled and juggled it into Jacoby Ford's arms?

And were you still saying that when JC got benched in Oakland at the start of season?

Sheesh.

Posted by: p1funk | November 8, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Did you see JC's pass on the game-tying drive in regulation?

The one that he threw right to Brandon Flowers who inexplicably bobbled and juggled it into Jacoby Ford's arms?

And were you still saying that when JC got benched in Oakland at the start of season?

Sheesh.

Posted by: p1funk

Yeap P I sure did as I have seen many WR make great plays to save their QB from getting an int. I really think you are missing the point. The point is we could have used the draft pick to build a stronger line this year and went after a QB next year as well as more linemen if we kept JC. To give up a 2nd and a 4th (if I am not mistaken) next year for a QB that you bench after 8 games. Come on man no matter how much you dislike JC you got to admit that is just crazy to give up that much for a guy you don't believe in.And McNabb contract ends at the end of the year which makes it even more crazy.

Posted by: jm220 | November 8, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Hey look, pabrainiac2003 got a new User ID!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 8, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse


Peabrain ain't the only one that hated that trade. There's a lot of of us that aren't happy about it and wanted to keep the draft pick. The difference is that peabrain thinks JC is better than McNabb. That's insane. The rest of us think that we would have been better off and had a better chance of winning a superbowl if we kept JC and the draft picks. It really isn't even about those 2 players personally. It's more about how important you feel a QB is to the offense. A lot of us felt that you could surround JC with enough talent to win. Now that he's winning we are feeling vindicated. We put up with a lot of bashing by people saying you could never win with JC. Well, the Raiders are winning with JC.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 8, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

brown, Hillis was a beast yesterday....cat goes 260 and broke a 35 yard td run....he was impressive....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm actually pretty excited to see how they respond on sunday. I can't say I'm expecting much in way of a victory. But hey - maybe they remembered how to work with this O-Line in the bye?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 8, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

meanwhile Oakland is now 5-3.

Posted by: alex35332

Yeap Alex and JC is on a 3 game winning streak. Did you see him stand tall and make a great pass to set up the winning field goal?

I said it then and will say it again. We should have kept JC for one year and used that 2nd round pick for McNabb to pick up another lineman. Which this team needs badly.

Posted by: jm220 | November 8, 2010 7:48 AM

Seriously guys, Oakland is winning in spite of Jason Campbell, not because of Jason Campbell. Grass is always greener.

Posted by: Painful_priapism | November 8, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse


Did you see JC's pass on the game-tying drive in regulation?

The one that he threw right to Brandon Flowers who inexplicably bobbled and juggled it into Jacoby Ford's arms?

p1funk.......that's kinda what I was thinking too.

Posted by: westjr88 | November 8, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

A couple points from this weekend that I'm sure some have already touched on;

1) Loved watching the Cowboys quit on their team. Even without swing gate their fall is much worse than our was last year.

2) The hit on Austin Collie was legal in my opinion and the league needs to be very careful to not over react once again. If they continue down this slippery slope the NFL will become Heavy Weight Boxing Redux and people will turn to something in it's wake ala MMA and Ultimate Fighting.

3) The Eagles and Giants are for real and make the NFC East very formidable. We've got our hands full with those two.

4) Soup made a nice throw down the field to win that game for them. Something he never did here. Once again; it seems people come here to fade and our players leave here to shine. I hope I'm wrong with one.

Posted by: Devo2 | November 8, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Yeap P I sure did as I have seen many WR make great plays to save their QB from getting an int. I really think you are missing the point. The point is we could have used the draft pick to build a stronger line this year and went after a QB next year as well as more linemen if we kept JC. To give up a 2nd and a 4th (if I am not mistaken) next year for a QB that you bench after 8 games. Come on man no matter how much you dislike JC you got to admit that is just crazy to give up that much for a guy you don't believe in.And McNabb contract ends at the end of the year which makes it even more crazy.

Posted by: jm220 | November 8, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse


It wasn't a great play by the WR. Brandon Flowers pulled a "Carlos Rogers" on a ball thrown to a guy that was covered. Sure, Ford was there and made a heads up grab, but that play was basically an INT that got fluked away.

You presented your post in a way that suggests we should have kept JC because look at how great he's playing in Oakland.

Now, I was a big questioner of the McNabb trade. Though he is undoubtedly a step up from Jason Campbell, it was odd to me that we were giving away picks for a win-now veteran QB in a year that was clearly a rebuilding year.

But we needed to dump JC either way. We needed to cut bait and get something for him. He would have failed here in Shanny's system with this group.

Keeping JC and keeping the picks were not synonymous.

We could have dumped JC and figured out another QB option that didn't cost a couple of high-picks for a QB at McNabb's stage of career.

Posted by: p1funk | November 8, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Greg, IMO Shanahan dropped the ball not getting this guy here...I mean, I get that the Broncos wanted Quinn and that's why they dealt him but you'd have to think a late round pick could have got Hillis in burgundy and gold. I don't think anyone could have projected that he'd be the next Riggins, but the dude looked mighty good in the little action he got in Denver...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I am telling you guys. Write this down b/c it will happen. The Skins will trade for Dennis Dixon. Many people think we will go after Vick. But Dixon is Tall, he is as quick as Vick...He has a rocket arm. All he needs is for someone to work on his accuracy. He is young, and has a boatload of potential.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 8, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

2010 Dallas Cowboys = That one movie you saw that one time when you were really high or drunk and you cracked up laughing the entire movie. The second time was really funny as well. The third time you got your giggle on for a scene here and there. The fourth time you know the movie line for line. The fifth time it just really isn't funny anymore. The sixth time -- well, their isn't one. It becomes one of those movies you can go the rest of your life with out seeing...


The Cowboys season while entertaining and high comedy at first is now turning into a one of those movies that just went stale from watching it over and over again. I don't find it funny nor do I find any sadness in seeing them get drubbed and embarrassed week in, week out.

It's really apathy at this point with me. When switching back to the game last night every now and then, all I could really do is shake my head at their pitiful performance.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 8, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm actually pretty excited to see how they respond on sunday. I can't say I'm expecting much in way of a victory. But hey - maybe they remembered how to work with this O-Line in the bye?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 8, 2010 9:22 AM

I don't think we'll win on sunday.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 8, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

brown, Hillis was a beast yesterday....cat goes 260 and broke a 35 yard td run....he was impressive....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

He was; between him and Ryan Torain the Broncos must be left wondering. What if?

McDaniels is a gonner.

Posted by: Devo2 | November 8, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Brandon Flowers did his best Carlos Rogers imitation yesterday

Posted by: westjr88 | November 8, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

As for as Campbell goes, if you watched the game early, you saw the same thing that happened here. They run on 1st and 2nd down and pass on obvious passing downs. He cannot be sucessful in those situations. The pass in overtime was on 1st down. It comes down to play calling to aid you QB. Now with #5 and Kyle, when Kyle wins his first playoff game, then maybe I'll take him seriously. Give me wins over stats. Please adapt to the talent you currently have. That what the great ones do.

Posted by: edavis291 | November 8, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, no matter how much you hate JC you've gotta admit this team is better off in the long run if we keep the picks, use our 1st and 2nd rounders in 2010 on OL help, and roll with JC for only one more year (a year he was already under contract for, I might add). If you're rebuilding, that's the smart play.

Rocco, that sounds good in theory but I can tell you right now that the Steelers are REALLY high on Dixon and they're not letting him go unless someone makes them an offer they can't refuse. I'd venture to say that they're more likely to deal Big Ben than they are Dixon...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

....thats because we play on Monday

Posted by: westjr88 | November 8, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Greg, IMO Shanahan dropped the ball not getting this guy here...I mean, I get that the Broncos wanted Quinn and that's why they dealt him but you'd have to think a late round pick could have got Hillis in burgundy and gold. I don't think anyone could have projected that he'd be the next Riggins, but the dude looked mighty good in the little action he got in Denver...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse


What Hillis is doing in Cleveland has ALOT to do with the awesome young Oline in front of him. That group made a run-of-the-mill scat-back like Jerome Harrsion look like a ProBowler and now Hillis is a world-beater.

Posted by: p1funk | November 8, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm actually pretty excited to see how they respond on sunday. I can't say I'm expecting much in way of a victory. But hey - maybe they remembered how to work with this O-Line in the bye?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 8, 2010 9:22 AM

I don't think we'll win on sunday.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 8, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse


This team plays to the level of its competition so a win is not out of the question.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 8, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Both JC and McNabb has been benched this year. However, I still like the trade for the intangibles McNabb brought. JC had a step hill to regain the confidence of his teammates, and his confidence in the organization. It's a win all the way around, albeit a more likely than not on year victory for the Skins.

Posted by: TWISI | November 8, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

There aren't enough strip clubs in Ashburn to get Big Ben here.

Posted by: westjr88 | November 8, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I have a different take on the"benching".

I call it a "Mercy Benching" and DM should
be thanking the coach.Lions were teeing off on him.I believe -more then once- the defenders arrived almost as quickly as the ball.DM 2nd most sacked qb behind Cutler.

With no blocking on that last series-he was just a target.Pride aside,He saved DM a few more hits.

And the lions are much better than their record.They had the Jets beat yesterday But their coach pulled a Kyle-dialing up a pass with a few minutes left WHICH STOPPED THE CLOCK-instead of milking the clock as the Jets had no time outs remaining.Jets tied it at the buzzer-won in OT.

Now on to the next 8 games.Eagles looked
real good yesterday-beat Indy by 2-We lost to Indy by 3--so it should be a great game.

Posted by: GEARAUTO1 | November 8, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, no matter how much you hate JC you've gotta admit this team is better off in the long run if we keep the picks, use our 1st and 2nd rounders in 2010 on OL help, and roll with JC for only one more year (a year he was already under contract for, I might add). If you're rebuilding, that's the smart play.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

It's not JC hate. I hope the Raiders do well so that we can get a high pick from them. JC is not beating the world in Oakland - that's all I'm saying.

Once again, trading away JC and trading for McNabb were mutually exclusive. One did not HAVE to lead to the other.

Dumping JC was the right decision, and hopefully we'll get an OK pick in return.

The jury is still out on McNabb. Early signs aren't good, but the deliberations are ongoing.

Posted by: p1funk | November 8, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I'd say it's a little bit of BOTH of their faults. It's McNabb's fault cause he's a veteran and should know better. He's gotta be smarter with the football and use his legs more.

It's Kyle's fault because ultimately he is the one calling the plays. The play calling at the end of a few games just sucked, and if McNabb is floundering, it's up to him to either:
A. Change the playcalling to suit McNabb's strengths. Remember, he's still in a new offensive scheme.
B. Go talk to DADDY and see what he thinks, cause Kyle ain't been in the NFL that long and should be humble enough to ask questions and adapt.

Question of the Day:
Did he get too big of a head from last year when the Texan's offense was #1???

Posted by: monk811 | November 8, 2010 8:56 AM
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People forget that Shanahan and son have never worked together. Even though they are father and son, this is a new experience for them, as well. With Senior being such a control freak, I just wonder how much of the offense is really being called by Junior.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 8, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

This team plays to the level of its competition so a win is not out of the question.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 8, 2010 9:37 AM

Oh I think the skins win...just on monday...not sunday.

I'll get my prediction out of the way early this week, since I had an extra week to prepare --

Redskins 24, Eagles 20.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 8, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Neither Chris Cooley or Santana Moss is a downfield threat. Cooley at best is a mid field player and Santana has lost a few gears. Until the get a real threat downfield, the defenses will just go after McNabb and clog the middle since we can't run either. We don't have the players to run a west coast offense, and until Kyle realizes that....its a 0.500 team at best. The Eagles will kill the Skins next week...

Posted by: nowhine | November 8, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

How 'bout them Cowboys?

I guess they are doing everything in their power to nab a top QB coming out in this year's QB-heavy draft.

Man, they suck big, smelly, sweaty, mis-shapen rhinoceros testicles.

Please don't fire "The Fade", Jerruh!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 8, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"He's brought leadership and a winning attitude to the team, and they've already won as many games as they won all last year. He's elevated the play of those around him. You can't judge him on stats alone, the team has rallied around him and now they're undefeated in their division."

What QB does this describe best?

Posted by: Alan4 | November 8, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

You have to have someone else on your team who can kick an extra point, if the kicker gets hurt.

Suh is a great DT but kicking and extra point, I would think you would have the punter practice FG's all week it's not like they do much else.

That 1 point would have maybe won them the game.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 8, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Keeping JC would have been a death knell. It's like keeping a hockey coarch once the team has soured...


That doesn't mean he can't have measured success elsewhere. That doesn't mean I WANT him to do well, though.. lol

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 8, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

We're the BEST 1-7 team in the NFL!!!

Signed,
Wade Phillips

Posted by: monk811 | November 8, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Isn't the ultimate irony that the QB controversy is in DC rather than Philly this year?

Last year it was in Philly.

What is the common thread?

Oh. Right.

Posted by: Skeptic1 | November 8, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

We could have dumped JC and figured out another QB option that didn't cost a couple of high-picks for a QB at McNabb's stage of career.

Posted by: p1funk | November 8, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I just wanted to keep JC around long enough to deaft and develop one of the QBs in this year's draft. I have felt and still feel that the propsects in this class are going to be very good and we'll be in a position to take one of them. I was thinking that we already had JC so he would have cost us nothing and he could take the abuse while we built a line and developed Christian Ponder or someone.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 8, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone mentioned Al Harris being released? Should the Skins sign him?

Posted by: roccoskins | November 8, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I am life long Redskins fan (first game in '68). And I live in Austin, Texas, so I am like the minority report.

I can tell you its a beautiful day here in Texas. Sun is shining and the Dallas star is falling faster and harder than a frozen cow-pie. Most of the Dallas fans around here are just waiting for the season to end. Can't find too many more apologist at this point.

And waiting for JJ to fire Wade is like watching someone put down their dog

Posted by: erthdog | November 8, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

What Hillis is doing in Cleveland has ALOT to do with the awesome young Oline in front of him. That group made a run-of-the-mill scat-back like Jerome Harrsion look like a ProBowler and now Hillis is a world-beater.

Posted by: p1funk | November 8, 2010 9:35 AM


Good point...although his size would be a definite asset here, considering he could break a few tackles to get around 4 ypc...hopefully...

Agree to disagree on Campbell...if you honestly think JC getting traded wasn't a direct result of the McNabb deal, or that we wouldn't be better off with JC than we would be with Rex at the helm, then we're just gonna talk in circles the rest of the day...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I love all the Dallas buffonery. Awesmoe!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 8, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

We could have dumped JC and figured out another QB option that didn't cost a couple of high-picks for a QB at McNabb's stage of career.

Posted by: p1funk | November 8, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Do you know how many teams would like to upgrade their QBs? Probably all but about 4 teams.

The thing to do is keep your QB if he's servicable, and fix the huge holes in your TEAM. JC was probably the offensive MVP on this team last year, to anyone being honest with themselves. There were MANY other areas that should have been upgraded first.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 8, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

The Eagles will kill the Skins next week...

Posted by: nowhine | November 8, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Yep, the Optimism Bus is rolling along here on this Monday morning, anyone else wanna stand in it's way???

Posted by: monk811 | November 8, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I am life long Redskins fan (first game in '68). And I live in Austin, Texas, so I am like the minority report.

I can tell you its a beautiful day here in Texas. Sun is shining and the Dallas star is falling faster and harder than a frozen cow-pie. Most of the Dallas fans around here are just waiting for the season to end. Can't find too many more apologist at this point.

And waiting for JJ to fire Wade is like watching someone put down their dog

Posted by: erthdog | November 8, 2010 9:55 AM |

If I were in jail, that post would me me smile all day long!

Sweet!

Dallas blows dog schlong.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 8, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I don't like the pics we gave up. But I think McNabb was the right choice for QB. But problably not for th reasons one would expect.

He's a big guy. He's gonna get hit. And he'll still give you a chance to win. That's really the only reason.

I don't want to waste a lot of $$ on him. So if he goes elswhere next season, fine. At least we get through this one as we build an O Line.

I don't see us seriously challenging until 2012 anyway... provided there's a 2011.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 8, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Hey. Look who is flying high in Oakland. Jason Campbell, no less. That game was much better TV than 60 Minutes. I wonder, after the Skins, the local Media, and many fans threw Jason under the bus, does anyone think they may have erred. It is not like they don't have a bad track record in the Mishandling of Personel Arena.

Posted by: golfwise | November 8, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone mentioned Al Harris being released? Should the Skins sign him?

Posted by: roccoskins | November 8, 2010 9:54 AM


No. And no. Next question...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 8, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Nah, Golf. It wouldn't have played out here like that.

It was the right choice letting him go, no matter what you think of the guy.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 8, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Yep, the Optimism Bus is rolling along here on this Monday morning, anyone else wanna stand in it's way???

Posted by: monk811

Gonna be a b*tch tryin' to bumrush those government entrance type barriers made out of high grade optimism.

At full speed your bus will wrap around one of those barriers more devastatingly than that D.C. cop's cruiser wrapped around that telephone pole.

Call it one of those truth stinging moments.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 8, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I watched the colts use the screen pass very effectively yesterday against the iggles…That’s something we don’t do often or very well which is why we probably don’t call the play. However, why don’t we practice and use it more often? Always thought CP26 would be very effective catching the screen pass.
Just wondering.

Posted by: fat_back | November 8, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 8, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Clarence Vaughn Now, he’s ready to succeed as a professional football coach. He’s ready and watching, hoping his next opportunity will be as a coach with the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: suliman215 | November 8, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Let me break this down for you'll. Shananna is not a good coach, you guys were sold a smoke screen, Shannana is not known to have develop young talent, he is an old school coach a la Gibbs-mold, He had Elway, Davis, Sharpe, an old/vet O-line, and a Vet. Defense in Denver when he arrived - after Elway and co. retired he proceeded to bring on OLD PLAYERS with negative results...the guy is out of touch with the league and SHOULD HAVE never been hired.Shannana took over a team that was built by Reeves and Wade, HE DID NOTHING TO IMPORVE THE BRONCOS ONCE OLD THOSE VETS LEFT...As long as Shannana is your coach you will win nothing, as old the vets will retire and he will not have anyone to replace them with...Insert here any young studs who has blossomed in Shannana's tenure anywhere???? NONE. He is all about the vets/has been. He was lucky Elways was in his prime and Terrell Davis was a monster running the ball when he got there.

Posted by: Incognito00 | November 8, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

The NFL schedule-makers did their level best to get the Deadskins/Cadavers off to a good start, but alas, their efforts have been thwarted by incompetence and old age.
The Redskins had four of their first six games at home. Sadly, that means six of your final 10 games will be on the road. That's not good for an old team. The creaky joints just can't handle those road trips. LMAO!!
Conversely, my Cowboys have six home games coming up and we'll take care of business at home like we always do. Play time is over!!
As for the Colts game, y'all knew your luck was going to run out eventually. Right? That's six straight games the Cadavers have been outplayed.
Hell
To
The
Deadskins!!
Posted by: MrIrvin88
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I'm sure the Cowgirls can't wait to get back to the safety of "Cowboys Stadium". I'm sure they'll lose to the young Lions.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | November 8, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The NFL schedule-makers did their level best to get the Deadskins/Cadavers off to a good start, but alas, their efforts have been thwarted by incompetence and old age.
The Redskins had four of their first six games at home. Sadly, that means six of your final 10 games will be on the road. That's not good for an old team. The creaky joints just can't handle those road trips. LMAO!!
Conversely, my Cowboys have six home games coming up and we'll take care of business at home like we always do. Play time is over!!
As for the Colts game, y'all knew your luck was going to run out eventually. Right? That's six straight games the Cadavers have been outplayed.
Hell
To
The
Deadskins!!
Posted by: MrIrvin88
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I'm sure the Cowgirls can't wait to get back to the safety of "Cowboys Stadium". I'm sure they'll lose to the young Lions.

LMAO!!! YOU IS A FUNNY CAT!!THEY BRITTLE BONES! Good assesment sir, touche!

Posted by: Incognito00 | November 8, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I watched the colts use the screen pass very effectively yesterday against the iggles…That’s something we don’t do often or very well which is why we probably don’t call the play. However, why don’t we practice and use it more often? Always thought CP26 would be very effective catching the screen pass.
Just wondering.


Posted by: fat_back | November 8, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

That is what I would do with Brandon Banks, give him lots of bubble screens, in space where he can break some ankles in the open field. I'd just feed him, over and over again. In fact, after this game his nickname should be Brandon 'Screen Pass' Banks. Not real catchy, but you get my point!

Posted by: monk811 | November 8, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Did you see JC's pass on the game-tying drive in regulation?

The one that he threw right to Brandon Flowers who inexplicably bobbled and juggled it into Jacoby Ford's arms?

p1funk.......that's kinda what I was thinking too.

Posted by: westjr88 | November 8, 2010 9:24 AM |

If you watched the game you would have noticed that JC through a 40 yd pass the play before that was called back on a holding call right before the pass to Jacoby Ford to tie the game in the 4th qt. Also Tom Cable's conservative play calling was the biggest problem most of the game. He was constantly run, run, pass. He finally opened it up with the game on the line.

Posted by: RealOne1 | November 8, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

campbell threw that second to last pass into 2 white jerseys and got away with it. that second one though, was a nice throw and a nicer catch.

Posted by: miked4 | November 8, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Draft another Lineman like Trent. Sign McNabb for cheap or go after Vick. Vick is a younger version of McNabb and would be more inclined to hang out with Kyle.

Posted by: jercha | November 8, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

The Shanahans are now suspect in the personnel department.

They came in and traded for McNabb and now seem to have buyer's remorse because they didn't do their homework on whether he fit their system.

Same deal on defense. How can you come in to a new job in the NFL and install a scheme on D that marginalizes your two best defensive linemen, Albert Haynesworth and Andre Carter?

The Redskins under Shanahan are playing more inspired ball and are more focused no doubt, but like Gibbs II the personnel side of things doesn't seem to be coming around in good order.

Too many mistakes on personnel, too many gambles on injured players that are not getting back to health, etc.

The Redskins could have had Colt McCoy and KEPT their #2 pick and taken another OL or NT for the 3-4.

But they impulsively traded for McNabb and now are at war with him.

What a colossal waste of time.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | November 8, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Not only did Shanahan make the bone-headed decision let Rex win the last game, he also succeeded in de-valuing McNabb. Could it be that McNabb's agent was/is demanding too much during these contract talks and Shanahan decided to slam his "franchise" quarterback publicly? Donovan made references to being on the caliber of Manning and Brady and we all know that's not the case. By implying that McNabb is incapable of learning a new system and completely out of shape, Shanahan has succeeded in laying the foundation as to why McNabb will not be signed. Whatever his motives are, he still is an ego-maniac.

Unfortunately, McNabb(and JC for that matter) will be better off leaving Redskin nation.

Posted by: Neisha_H | November 8, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

There's nothing better for a redskins fan than to check out the dallas morning news the day after the cowboys take a beat down. It's like watching a train wreck and rooting for the train. Makes the redskins mediocrity easier to take.

Posted by: DontGetIt | November 8, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

THIS COULD VERY WELL BE THE WEEK THAT THE SKIN'S LUCK RUNS DRY.

I honestly haven't seen anyone throw a more pretty pass than Michael Vick. And with D. Jackson healthy. The skins may be in for a humongous beatdown.

It's a good week for McNabb to step back into the "Good" QB category. Now ask me if I think he will.

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Posted by: ajdfhdfgtsdgasd | November 8, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

didnt these morons watch film on mcnabb?he was bouncing balls at guys feet,overthrowing wide open guys,he was what everyone in philly saw every week.

--kristy--

no, apparently the morons didn't watch that film. If they had, they wouldn't be crying over the benching. The fact is, no one out there can defend McNabb's poor performance so far. Not even the race baiters in the media.

All they can use against Shanahan is his postgame comments.

Shanny should've kept his mouth shut and just said, I'm the coach and I made the call. I don't need to explain it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 8, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I love all of this JC love that he is getting on RI. As had been stated over and over, a QB is as only as good as his supporting cast. Insert DM for JC and nothing has changed. Now all of a sudden, DM is a dirt ball throwing, has-been QB. A few months ago, most of you were excited at how big an upgrade we had made at QB... how did that work out? For the 5 hundreth time on this blog - fix the O'line. And for the idiots who keep insisting that all coaches are knowledgeable professionals that never get it wrong - remember, Shanahan was unemployed and no one was beating down his door to hire him.... Shanny and Kyle are lacking in the coaching and playcalling area. If the game can pass Saint Joe by - it can surely be too much for Shanny.

Posted by: SPUD2 | November 8, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Have to wonder if McNabb is thinking why he didn't want to go to Oakland??? I bet the Raiders aren't looking to bad to play for right now. Meanwhile I always thought of McNabb as a short term answer.. how short depends on next 8 weeks.. But biggest issue is who Skins draft at QB next year. Skins are still 2 or 3 years away and McNabb will not be here that long...

Posted by: sovine08 | November 8, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

The jury is still out on McNabb. Early signs aren't good, but the deliberations are ongoing.

Posted by: p1funk

He started the year on a hot streak. His trend over the past several games is not good. He was awful in the win at Philly and should have been benched then. He couldn't throw any type of pass after the 1st quarter and a half. He brought the offense to a complete standstill. Only reason we won that game was our defense. He's been downward trending since that game. If he's not tripping over his big feet, he's throwing terrible INTs at terrible points in the game. He's a one-note QB who no pass defense currently respects. That's why they're all waiting for the pass parallel to the line of scrimmage. In the last game Donovan tried to look off that pass for as long as he could to throw the defense off and they were still waiting for that play because they know he has no midrange passing game. He's killing our offense. The OLine ain't great, but Donovan isn't helping matters either. I see QBs around the league about to get hit who make way better decisions and passes.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 8, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

surprised nobody seems to take this for face value; mcnabb was playing poorly, coach benched him. that's it. happens all the time in sports.

He's our starter and will be back. I doubt the incident means much to the long-term future of him being our qb next season and beyond.

it's ridic how badly overplayed this has become by the media. in fact i bet the boys (Bradshaw et al) on Fox NFL who called the incident a disgrace, wholeheartedly and silently agree with Shanny, but that wouldn't make for good programming now would it???

Posted by: jsh79 | November 8, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Shanny and Kyle are lacking in the coaching and playcalling area
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i thought the playcalling at the end of the Indy game was bad. They had enough time to run for a 1st down instead of relying on McNabb's arm to get it. That was on Kyle.
But overall, this is an aggressive playcalling offense that unfortunately doesn't have the right QB at the helm to run it. Not saying Grossman is better, I think the jury is truly out on that. He may be better, he may be worse. But in this particular offense at this particular time, RG is an unknown commodity.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 8, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

You expected something more from the Danskins? More with them is always less.

Posted by: wp318676 | November 8, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

This is ridiculous. There is no quarterback controversy in Washington. McNabb is the starting quarterback, he performed poorly, the coach sat him down, and he'll start again next week. McNabb is a pro. He'll get over his benching. He certainly did just fine after Andy Reid sat him down in Philadelphia. No one with McNabb's stature as an NFL quarterback is going to be badly put off by the coach benching him for the end of one game (well, maybe Brett Favre, but that's another whole story entirely...). Give it a rest already and let's hope we will one day see news stories about the Redskins winning rather than these soap operas stories about McNabb and Haynesworth.

Posted by: Bob22003 | November 8, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is soooo overrated. If the Skins were anywhere near capable this would be obvious, but they haven't been for a generation and someone like McNabb looks like the big fish in an itty bitty pond.

Posted by: HillRat | November 8, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

It makes perfect sense. The team understands MacNabb's lack of commitment and is looking to hand the reigns over to a more disciplined quarterback. That's why they worked out Jamarcus Russel.

Posted by: Candressuhmoose | November 8, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Some people think that we are "beating a dead horse" about the Shanahan/McNabb thing. But the horse keeps resurrecting itself!! Shanahan, nor his son gave any viable explaination of why they benched McNabb when they did in favor of "Not-so-Sexy Rexy". This whole thing was just plain, dirt dumb!! And just as Jason points out, McNabb's teammate love to play with him and are winning more games then they would have because they believe. If you beleive in a teammate to bring a spark on a team, you need to keep him and let him play without pulling him out of a game with less than 2 minutes left. Give me a big ole break!! Shanahan, you and little Shanny need to stop trippin, apologize to McNabb, the team and the fans and get back to playing football. But I know. I know, its not Shanny's fault, it all goes back to the Danny. He's behind everything train reck that happens to this team. From Schottemhimer, to playing Jeff George instead of "Big, Bad, Brad" Johnson. The Danny is a one man train reck, beleive that!!

Posted by: roallenc | November 8, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Let me put it this way: If getting McNabb was a mistake, then it was a good mistake. Even now, I see him as someone who has the skills, intellect, and even EXPERIENCE needed to be an excellent quarterback. Is he the long-term future of the Redskins? Of course not. However, he is someone who can help us win now.

As for Rex Grossman: I never saw him as as being a very good quarterback and after his performace against the Lions (or lack thereof) I now hold to that opinion more than ever. Knowing the system is no good if you cannot make it work.

As a for the long term: As a fan what I want to see is some stability. We had that under Jack Kent Cooke. We have lacked it under Snyder. Example: I saw Jim Zorn as needing at lest five years to become good. He never got them, or did he have a chance to get them under Snyder. Shanahan already is estblished as being a good Super-Bowl-winning coach, but time is still needed to build a Super Bowl quality team around him and his system.

So I say to everyone: Let's enjoy this year. Good things are happening. Just to have an 8-8 season is a big improvement over last year. Obviously I would not mind seeing the 'Skins in the Super Bowl again this year, but what I truly want to see is some sign that we on a track to being a regular contender again. So far, I am seeing that: We have won serveral games that we could have (or even should have) lost. I will not fret over out losing one game to a team that we should have beaten.

As for McNabb himself: I encourage patience by the all concerned, even the coaching staff. Even so, the coaches need to be as willing to adapt their offense to McNabb as McNabb is willing to adapt himself to it.

Posted by: ems57fcva | November 8, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Let me put it this way: If getting McNabb was a mistake, then it was a good mistake. Even now, I see him as someone who has the skills, intellect, and even EXPERIENCE needed to be an excellent quarterback. Is he the long-term future of the Redskins? Of course not. However, he is someone who can help us win now.

As for Rex Grossman: I never saw him as as being a very good quarterback and after his performace against the Lions (or lack thereof) I now hold to that opinion more than ever. Knowing the system is no good if you cannot make it work.

As a for the long term: As a fan what I want to see is some stability. We had that under Jack Kent Cooke. We have lacked it under Snyder. Example: I saw Jim Zorn as needing at lest five years to become good. He never got them, or did he have a chance to get them under Snyder. Shanahan already is estblished as being a good Super-Bowl-winning coach, but time is still needed to build a Super Bowl quality team around him and his system.

So I say to everyone: Let's enjoy this year. Good things are happening. Just to have an 8-8 season is a big improvement over last year. Obviously I would not mind seeing the 'Skins in the Super Bowl again this year, but what I truly want to see is some sign that we on a track to being a regular contender again. So far, I am seeing that: We have won serveral games that we could have (or even should have) lost. I will not fret over out losing one game to a team that we should have beaten.

As for McNabb himself: I encourage patience by the all concerned, even the coaching staff. Even so, the coaches need to be as willing to adapt their offense to McNabb as McNabb is willing to adapt himself to it.

Posted by: ems57fcva | November 8, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's time to admit that we're all just too stupid, lazy and inept to understand Shanahan's calls and schemes.

And that's whether you're a player, coach, cheerleader, concessionaire, or fan in the stands.

Not doubting the coach's greatness or anything -- but when a sure lock for the Hall of Fame can't seem to understand or execute your scheme... and nor can most of the players around him -- perhaps it's time to look inward and admit the possibility that it just may be someone other than the players who just doesn't get it.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 8, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

First, if I were DMac, I'd want to leave the Skins. The offensive is line is "OFFENSIVE." It's non-existent. DMac should go somewhere where he has at least 3 seconds to get rid of the ball.

The fans in Dallas are having a bad season. The fans in DC have had many more than that. Unfortunately, the skins need a new owner that uses the DRAFT to bring in new players plus great players like DMac.

Posted by: johnb1359 | November 8, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

And how did Grossman work for you coach?

Posted by: mbrumble | November 8, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I think it's good that the WashPost is trying to create controversy about McNabb. After all, the Haynesworth controversy is all but dead now. We all know that to sell newspapers, you need controversy.

Posted by: dcc1968 | November 8, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Huuum - Dallas bashers: The Cowboys under Jones have won 3 Super Bowl Rings (I don't care who the coach was - Jones hired him) - how many Super Bowls have the 'Skins won under Dan S.?

Posted by: gary1018 | November 8, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Jason "Jambo" Campbell is on a winning streak out in Oakland ...


Mr. Schneider, Mr. Schn ... Dan... say, you there?

Posted by: clitteigh | November 8, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Once more on DM throwing long on third down when we need only a few yards for the first. Most progressions for a QB are to look short, then medium and then long. The Shanny's progression for their QB is too look long, then medium, then the dump off. With our O'line looking like a drive-thru, it is almost impossible to get to the dump off. More times than not, DM only has the chance to throw the first leg of the progression - which is long. This was explained a few games ago by the commentators. It is not that a 6 time Pro Bowl QB does not realize that it is more important to get the first down than to go for the bomb on 3rd down. He is operating within the scheme of the offense that the geniuses implemented. Shanny and Kyle forget to square the O'line away before inserting their offensive scheme. Geniuses I tell you....

Posted by: SPUD2 | November 8, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Why do you think we got rid of him in Phila. He's good enough to keep you in contention but not an accurate passer, not in the greatest condition, unable to think his way through a game. With his deteriorating athletic skills he can't run his way out of trouble anymore. Next year we'll trade Mike Vick to you for 2 1st round picks.

Posted by: mikestud50 | November 8, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Chris Mortenson from ESPN reports that Kyle Shanahan has had to ditch 1/2 of the playbook because McNabb hasn't been able to learn it. Kind of explains a lot of things about his benching.

Posted by: sharrington1 | November 8, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

If Michael Vick and D Jackson are healthy, look for the Eagles to give the Redskins a real shellacking to use the President's term, probably 30 points or more.

On the bright side, I found a worse safety tandem than Landry and Moore. Ball and Sensabaugh are now undobutedly the worst.

Posted by: 54465446 | November 8, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

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