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Doughty Signs for 1 Year with Skins

Jason Reid reports:

Safety Reed Doughty plans to return to the team this fall, his agent said this morning.

"I haven't even printed the contract they emailed me late last night yet," Dave Butz, Doughty's agent, said. But "we agreed to the deal."

Butz declined to reveal contract terms for the deal, which had been expected and was reported this morning by the Washington Times. However, a league source said Doughty, who began the 2008 season as the starting strong safety, accepted a one-year offer for a little more than $500,000. He played in only four games last season because of a nerve problem in his back that required surgery, and finished the season on the injured reserve list.

In order to retain Doughty's rights, the Redskins were required to make a tender offer of a little more than $1 million. It was erroneously reported that the Redskins did not offer Doughty a contract, but the Redskins extended a one-year contract proposal to Butz for less than the tender amount, making Doughty an unrestricted free agent.

"We went back and forth with them and a couple other teams," Butz said. "But in the end, Reed felt most comfortable with the Redskins."

Doughty has fully recovered from surgery and is eager to put last season behind him, Butz said. He is expected to compete with second-year safety Chris Horton for a spot with the first team. Re-signing with the Redskins "gives Reed an opportunity to get back and show the high level he can play at," Butz said.

By Cindy Boren  |  March 11, 2009; 9:25 AM ET
 
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I am the one and only Guru, plenty of people agree with me.

However, I do voice my opinion much more strongly.

The first year or two, no one agreed with me. Now as each year passes, more and more people are realizing what a joke Jason Campbell is.

Unfortunately, it shouldn't take years for people to realize the guy can't play. I HAVE BEEN SAYING IT FOR YEARS... RIGHT HERE.

My HUGE push last year was to trade Jason Campbell, while other teams were still in the belief that he had potential. We could have gotten a high round draft pick for him prior to the 2007 draft.

I posted for hours, often using the tag line "TRADE JASON CAMPBELL"

I was berated, as I am now, but my almost everyone. I warned that he would have a mediocre year, that we would be a team that won between 7 and 9 games, and that wasn't good enough for me.

This is not an agenda. QB is the most important position on the team, and therefore should be the most scrutinized. For some reason, Jason Campbell gets a free pass and has every excuse made for him in the book.

The bottom line is that Jason Campbell will never develop into an elite passer in this league. We are the freaking Washington Redskins... we deserve an elite passer. If we continue to waste season after season on Jason Campbell, we will be blowing the opportunities to find that elite QB that could elevate us back to where all of us Redskins fans want to be... THE SUPER BOWL!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

do not feed the trolls

Posted by: jstew06 | March 11, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Turd

Posted by: MrDumberton | March 11, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

If you have a book out about you before you make it, I'd be leary. NBH (Nothing But Hype)

Who was the last athelete to have a book out before going pro?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

We are the freaking Washington Redskins... we deserve an elite passer. If we continue to waste season after season on Jason Campbell, we will be blowing the opportunities to find that elite QB that could elevate us back to where all of us Redskins fans want to be... THE SUPER BOWL!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 9:27 AM |

THANK YOU!!!

Posted by: rcjordan44 | March 11, 2009 9:33 AM

You are welcome.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Doughty is a good special teamer / backup. Hopefully Moore can step up and become the starting FS and LL can move back to SS.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

4th,

Sorry selected out of context quotes from a Raiders fanboard don't do much to convince me. Oher has overcame much more than this in his life and is still learning football. I think he will be a 10 year plus starter. There are +/- rankings on every player in the draft and most of these "experts" miss all the time on guys. Might even help Oher to fall a bit b/c with that goes away some of the pressure.

I believe strongly you are wrong. But its a crappe shoot fo sho. Thats why they play the games.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 11, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

good signing, depth, and st help.

cl, agreed, using a raider fans board as evidence not to draft Oher, is, certifiable....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"In order to retain Doughty's rights, the Redskins were required to make a tender offer of a little more than $1 million. It was erroneously reported that the Redskins did not offer Doughty a contract, but the Redskins extended a one-year contract proposal to Butz for less than the tender amount, making Doughty an unrestricted free agent.
"

That sounds like Dave Butz trying to save face for his client. He wasn't tendered as a restricted FA, meaning they don't really think too much of him.

I've never in my life heard a restricted FA by given a contract less than a RFA tender.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Congrats to Doughty, seems to be a real good guy.

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 11, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

"If you have a book out about you before you make it, I'd be leary. NBH (Nothing But Hype)

Who was the last athelete to have a book out before going pro?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse"

Dude have you even read the book? Its not even all about him. It includes his story but the larger thesis is about the rise of the imporatnace of Left Tackle since LT and that type of tweener lb.

Its not like he had a literary agent and courted the coverage. Sure "Hype"... trying reading the book.

Even if you think he would be an unwise draft pick, being a hater on this kid is sort of a siht heel move.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 11, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

The past few have been great too huh.
Brunell
Tony Banks
Jeff George
Danny Wuerfel
Shane Mathews
Patrick Ramsey.

Man, if Campbell was only as good as those guys. Stop your crying. Campbell may not be the best QB, but at least he has potential compared to the others on the list.

Posted by: Redskins001 | March 11, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Is this Dave Butz (the agent), THE Dave Butz (#65)? Anyone know?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 11, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

What are the odds Khalif Barnes will still be on the market after the draft?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 11, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

DL- He is his kid!

Butz family rulz!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 11, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

As you said, only time will tell.

I hope he succeeds. Especially if we get him. But, at this moment in time, I am against it and hope we don't draft him.....

I thought we wanted to win now? If we draft Oher, he'll need a few years to adjust. You just can't throw him in there as the starter.

Drafting Oher makes no sense. If you draft him, Heyer would beat out him and Jansen.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Is this Dave Butz (the agent), THE Dave Butz (#65)? Anyone know?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 11, 2009 9:51 AM |

NO

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

ryp, draft is still 44 days away, so I'm thinking probably small.

4th, who cares if he wrote a book, use your eye's what do they tell you about how he plays on the field?? Forget the book, how does he play??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Oher has overcame...

cHRIS LARry, c'mon, get that verb right. It's overcomed... unless Oher's doing pron.
You debacle us Up Here.

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

rypien11

I got a feeling the FA might wait until the June cuts to go after someone.

I think the team's tight sal cap situation has cooled their jets for a lil' bit.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

4th, you say only time will tell, but then you say that Heyer will beat him out, and that drafting him makes no sense??

He's just one of the top tackles in the draft, yeah, no need for one of them on this team.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

The past few have been great too huh.
Brunell
Tony Banks
Jeff George
Danny Wuerfel
Shane Mathews
Patrick Ramsey.

Man, if Campbell was only as good as those guys. Stop your crying. Campbell may not be the best QB, but at least he has potential compared to the others on the list.

Posted by: Redskins001 | March 11, 2009 9:51 AM

Why would we compare our current failure of a QB to past failures of QBs, and say "at least he's not as bad as those guys"

We should be adding him to the list of failures, and moving on.

My point is that we may not find an elite QB with the next one we put behind center, but if we continue to stick with Jason Campbell, who has shown that he can't do it, we are losing time to find the right guy, whether the right guy is Colt, or a QB yet to be on the team.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

One thing I noticed about Oher is that he gets off balance too much. Robert Ayers beat him up during the senior ball. Ayers kept him guessing with his speed and power moves.

Posted by: TWISI | March 11, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I read the Rams released T Orlando Pace... Wonder if he'd be worth having around for the right (low) price?

He's 33 and has had some injuries but still, the Skins O-line could always use some proven back-ups.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 11, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Beantown,

For the record he didnt write the book, Michael "Money Ball" Lewis did. His story was profiled.

Lewis is such a brilliant writer, anyone read his NY Times Magazine cover story on Shane Battier a few weeks back. Great stuff.

Daggar, um thanks for the....correction?

Posted by: chrislarry | March 11, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

If we could get Pace for cheap, he would be a great pick up.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"We went back and forth with them and a couple other teams," Butz said. "But in the end, Reed felt most comfortable with the Redskins."

By Cindy Boren | March 11, 2009; 9:25 AM ET

Translation: "We were hoping to get a cheese steak, but no team wants to pay more than a ham sandwich for my client and my client will eat the Redskins' ham sandwich."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Also, we just blew another 2 million on Jason Campbell. In my line of work, you do not under perform and that get handed a 2 million dollar bonus.

2 million dollars could have gotten us a decent Offensive Lineman. So, we're not just wasting time on Jason Campbell, we're wasting cap space as well.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

sports_guru

'...I am the one and only Guru...'

This sounds like you're a magician or something.

Do you pop out of a bottle or does some hot chick rub a magic lamp and you appear out of a cloud?

Try pulling some other rabbit out of your hat, my friend.

'Cuz the same ol' trick done over and over again stops amazing and starts annoying.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Translation: "We were hoping to get a cheese steak, but no team wants to pay more than a ham sandwich for my client and my client will eat the Redskins' ham sandwich."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 10:05


Ok, now I'm hungry... thanks.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Please don't mention cheesestreaks when lunch is still 2+ hours away....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 11, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

te, lol, yup, good job reading between the lines on that one....

ita guys.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Interesting side note; NFL network yesterday showed the 1985 Bears @ Packers game, and Jim Zorn was the QB for Green Bay….he actually looked pretty decent going up against the "greatest D of all time"….pretty fun to watch. I don’t know if they are going to show it again, but it’s something to keep an eye out for.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 11, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Daggar, um thanks for the....correction?

Posted by: chrislarry | March 11, 2009 10:02 AM

I thought it was more like an admiring (or mocking) imitation than a correction.

How about you cut and paste the book up here so we can all read it? That might help clear this up.

Thanks in advance for your consideration.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Doughty will be making more than Chris Horton.

Compare Haynesworth and Horton:


Name Years Total Bonus Guaranteed
Haynesworth 4 yr. $48M $27M $42M
Horton 4 yr. $1.7M $36,000 $36,000

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

The Dave Butz referred to in this article is #65's son.

BTW, Sports_doodoo, you're an idiot and I can't wait to watch JC prove you wrong this year. You speak like he's been our starter for a decade. The dude's been a starter for less than two seasons worth of games, and only now does he actually get a chance to be in the same system two years in a row. I'm telling you, this guy is plenty good enough to get us back to the Super Bowl.

Posted by: jromero12 | March 11, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

um or cheesesteaks....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 11, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

4th, you say only time will tell, but then you say that Heyer will beat him out, and that drafting him makes no sense??

He's just one of the top tackles in the draft, yeah, no need for one of them on this team.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 9:58 AM

Ever heard of Hypothesizing?

Look. I do not want them to draft him.

IF they draft him (witch I have no control of), I am hypothesizing that Heyer would beat him out in Oher's rookie year.

BUT, only time will tell whose predictions will be correct.

What are you not understanding? Must we go back to the 6th grade Science class to see if you cut of a lizard's tale, would it grow back?

Are all top positional players locks as you infered above? Ofcourse not. So I don't understand your logic.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Whats the difference between the post June 1 cut again?

Wonder if well cut anyone else... Yoder?

And, we now have two punters against the cap and have to pay them even when we cut one?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 11, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Please don't mention cheesestreaks when lunch is still 2+ hours away....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 11, 2009 10:07 AM

Think "ham sandwich." That will stave off the hunger. Unless, of course, you're thinking Westphalian ham sandwich. Or even country ham sandwich.

I think I'm going to the kitchen.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I think I need to call into Washington Post Live so my voice can be heard.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Are we done in FA for a while, or are there more moves on the horizon? Any thoughts?

Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

depends on the kind of Lizard.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 11, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Is there an echo in here?

Anyways, if the Skins get Daniels and Wynn back, does that lower the chances for drafting a DE? I think that might be the last tip we get before the draft, as far as what position they're looking at.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I thought it was more like an admiring (or mocking) imitation than a correction.

I like to think of it more as homage to the foundations upon which RI was built -- Jasno's valiant, but ultimately futile, efforts to make english words come from a decidedly hostile keyboard.

But if y'all prefer the new RI, where we address gasping holes, then we can do that too.

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Guys,

If you haven't seen it on the Redskins Blog, they did a nice little story on D. Thomas. Nothing football related but a good story. I am going to give this guy a free pass for awhile...

http://blog.redskins.com/2009/03/10/devin-thomas-makes-friends/#continued

Posted by: Skins211 | March 11, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Looks like I am not the only one that thinks Colt is our future, this is a main stream article!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/127468-washington-redskins-colt-brennan-is-the-future-jason-campbell-the-past/page/2

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

depends on the kind of Lizard.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 11, 2009 10:12 AM

Cameleon (sp?)

No June 1st Cuts this year Ryp....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Daggar, I am sympathetic to your cause!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 11, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I think I need to call into Washington Post Live so my voice can be heard.

Posted by: Sports_Guru

Now that's funny. The one time I watched that shabingus, they couldn't get the phones right, so all the calls were Mike Wise going "hello, Rick.... Rick... Rick, are you there? Rick?" as Thayer and Jasno stared into space.
It was compelling TV.

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm amazed how low budget Washington Post Live is...

Do they have a monthly $25 dollar budget?

Is the show Comcast or WaPo owned?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 11, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Can Doughty play OLB? I mean he cant cover well as a Safety but may be better at it with

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I think I need to call into Washington Post Live so my voice can be heard.

Posted by: Sports_Guru

Now that's funny. The one time I watched that shabingus, they couldn't get the phones right, so all the calls were Mike Wise going "hello, Rick.... Rick... Rick, are you there? Rick?" as Thayer and Jasno stared into space.
It was compelling TV.

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 10:19 AM

lol

That is funny... just wait... after the silence, the guru will speak!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

The bottom line is that Jason Campbell will never develop into an elite passer in this league. We are the freaking Washington Redskins... we deserve an elite passer. If we continue to waste season after season on Jason Campbell, we will be blowing the opportunities to find that elite QB that could elevate us back to where all of us Redskins fans want to be... THE SUPER BOWL!


Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 9:36 AM

Alright, dipsh!t...if Campbell is sooo the problem, where's your solution? Since quality QBs apparently grown on trees in the land of Rainbows and Lollipops where you live, you surely have the name of he who will return the might Redskins to prominance. Or are you just every pre-registration pain-in-the-a$$ Anon rolled into one?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 11, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

The past few have been great too huh.
Brunell
Tony Banks
Jeff George
Danny Wuerfel
Shane Mathews
Patrick Ramsey.

Man, if Campbell was only as good as those guys. Stop your crying. Campbell may not be the best QB, but at least he has potential compared to the others on the list.

Posted by: Redskins001 | March 11, 2009 9:51 AM

With Campbell, it's like we have the best trailor in the trailor park! It's not saying much.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 11, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Campbell deserves a chance to play 2-3 years in the SAME system before we pass judgment. Also, since when have the Redskins needed an "elite" QB in the past?

We won 3 SuperBowls with 3 different QBs. This team won with a great O-line, a good D-line and good skill position players - all which takes longer to build but easier than trying to "luck in" to the next John Elway.

Posted by: daddy00 | March 11, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

“Also, we just blew another 2 million on Jason Campbell. In my line of work, you do not under perform and that get handed a 2 million dollar bonus.
2 million dollars could have gotten us a decent Offensive Lineman. So, we're not just wasting time on Jason Campbell, we're wasting cap space as well.”
Posted by: Sports_Guru

Bet you weren’t saying this last year when Jason Campbell had us at 6-2 at the midpoint (before the O’line fell apart). Tell me, what would our record have been if Kurt Warner or Ben Roethlisberger (or any other QB) had been our QB getting brutalized behind our inept O’line and no running game?

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 11, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I see that we are still 8mil under the cap after the ajusted contracts, add fincher and Doughty we are now looking at around 7mil.

7mil is not capped strapped you can do alot with 7mil.

Rookie pool is only 2.5mil.

Most teams spend to the cap every year, so this is not a bad thing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Campbell deserves a chance to play 2-3 years in the SAME system before we pass judgment...

Posted by: daddy00 | March 11, 2009 10:27 AM

Holy Wasted Seasons, Bat Man!

You want 2 more years of average seasons, before we look elsewhere? I for one, do not want to wait until Jason Campbell has been in the league 7 years to get rid of him!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

That is funny... just wait... after the silence, the guru will speak!

And, thanks to the low-budget speakerphone, all we'll hear is
Caller:[crackle] he...[crackle]
Wise: Hello, Rick?
Caller:
Caller:
Wise: Hello?

My advice: just start chanting "Colt, Colt, Colt, Colt" until they hang up on you.

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Bet you weren’t saying this last year when Jason Campbell had us at 6-2 at the midpoint (before the O’line fell apart). Tell me, what would our record have been if Kurt Warner or Ben Roethlisberger (or any other QB) had been our QB getting brutalized behind our inept O’line and no running game?


Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 11, 2009 10:29 AM |

No he left the blog until they started losing and then came back.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

If bleacher report is mainstream, then my name is Robert Frost.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 11, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

“Also, we just blew another 2 million on Jason Campbell. In my line of work, you do not under perform and that get handed a 2 million dollar bonus.
2 million dollars could have gotten us a decent Offensive Lineman. So, we're not just wasting time on Jason Campbell, we're wasting cap space as well.”
Posted by: Sports_Guru

Bet you weren’t saying this last year when Jason Campbell had us at 6-2 at the midpoint (before the O’line fell apart). Tell me, what would our record have been if Kurt Warner or Ben Roethlisberger (or any other QB) had been our QB getting brutalized behind our inept O’line and no running game?


Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 11, 2009 10:29 AM

All Star,

Jason Campbell lost to the Rams in that span, or we would have been 7-1. I was still highly critical of him during that span for not throwing more than 2 TDs in a game, with several only having 1 or zero TDs in a game.

We won those games based on a very stout defense that wore down midway through the season from having to be on the field too much, cleaning up after short 3 and out Jason Campbell drives.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Kevin Carter, Orlando Pace, Cato June...if the Skins were to get any of these dudes, which one would make most sense?

Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

ugh another day of campbell....he is what he is....he has one final year. At least as far as the Skins are concerned we will know after this upcoming season. Nothing about that scenario (barring injury)is going to change that.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 11, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"all which takes longer to build but easier than trying to "luck in" to the next John Elway."

Uggghhh, always get dragged into this. Even Elway didn't win the Super Bowl until Denver became a dominant running team.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I am the one and only Guru, plenty of people agree with me.

However, I do voice my opinion much more strongly.

The first year or two, no one agreed with me. Now as each year passes, more and more people are realizing what a joke Jason Campbell is.

Unfortunately, it shouldn't take years for people to realize the guy can't play. I HAVE BEEN SAYING IT FOR YEARS... RIGHT HERE.

My HUGE push last year was to trade Jason Campbell, while other teams were still in the belief that he had potential. We could have gotten a high round draft pick for him prior to the 2007 draft.

I posted for hours, often using the tag line "TRADE JASON CAMPBELL"

I was berated, as I am now, but my almost everyone. I warned that he would have a mediocre year, that we would be a team that won between 7 and 9 games, and that wasn't good enough for me.

This is not an agenda. QB is the most important position on the team, and therefore should be the most scrutinized. For some reason, Jason Campbell gets a free pass and has every excuse made for him in the book.

The bottom line is that Jason Campbell will never develop into an elite passer in this league. We are the freaking Washington Redskins... we deserve an elite passer. If we continue to waste season after season on Jason Campbell, we will be blowing the opportunities to find that elite QB that could elevate us back to where all of us Redskins fans want to be... THE SUPER BOWL!


Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 9:36 AM


Guru, we could have Joe Montana in his prime. It won't matter until you address the sieve-like, aging, injury-prone offensive line.

Posted by: stwasm | March 11, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I was listening to the radio this morning on the way in, and I heard from a radio show (which I would not dare speak of up here) mention The Top 10 Newspapers in Trouble.

I can't think of anyone that reads the paper religiously anymore, can any of you?

Although it will be a while, newspapers will eventually become part of one of America's exhausted traditions.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 11, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Kevin Carter, Orlando Pace, Cato June...if the Skins were to get any of these dudes, which one would make most sense?

Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 10:33 AM

I'd take Pace and then a LB in the 1st, and a OL in the 3rd.

Posted by: TWISI | March 11, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Campbell can be an excellent quarterback when he has a good healthy O-Line. Just look at the first half of last season. It's the offensive line, stupid!

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 11, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Still waiting on that alternative to Jason Campbell, "Sports_Guru"...if you wanna live up to your name, you gotta have a solution!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 11, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Guru, we could have Joe Montana in his prime. It won't matter until you address the sieve-like, aging, injury-prone offensive line.

Posted by: stwasm | March 11, 2009 10:36 AM

I agree that we have other holes and deficiencies. However, we cannot overlook the QB position.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Fincher and Doughty just bump some offseason-minimum contract from the 'rule of 51' cap... these contracts are $385,000 -- so Doughty hits something like $150,000 to the cap.
I would assume that Fincher's contract is for less, given that Doughty can claim to have a few starts under his belt.

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I mean really people (B-26 and others), you're really going to entertain this guru d0uche for another day?

Hit me when you guys are done playing duck-duck-goose with this clown.

I can't talk/type/read Jason Campbell again today.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 11, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

OKLAHOMA SAFETY NIC HARRIS MIGHT FIT IN BEST AT LINEBACKER
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 11, 2009, 9:37 a.m. EDT
Following another batch of slow 40-yard dash times at his campus Pro Day after struggling at the NFL scouting combine, Oklahoma safety Nic Harris may need to switch to linebacker at this rate to make it at the next level.

Harris was clocked at 4.83 seconds in both of his tries Tuesday at the Sooners’ widely-attended Pro Day audition, according to Gil Brandt of NFL.com.

Harris is known for having a smooth backpedal, but his 4.23 time in the short shuttle and a 7.0 in three-cone drill are also comparable to linebacker standards.

Mike Mayock of NFL Network has said that he believes the 6-foot-2, 232-pounder could fit in best in the NFL as a weakside linebacker.

Meanwhile, the Oklahoma offensive line prospects, especially offensive tackle Phil Loadholt, as well as Duke Robinson, Jon Cooper and Brandon Walker, drew a crowd.

Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress and vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman were there as well as three offensive line coaches: Dave DeGuglielmo (Miami Dolphins), Sean Kugler (Buffalo Bills) and Pat Morris (Detroit Lions).

Loadholt reportedly did well in his drill work, but had a 5.45 in the 40-yard dash and a 28 1/2 inch vertical leap. He benched pressed 225 pounds for 26 repetitions. Loadholt measured in at 6-foot-8, 330 pounds.

Robinson had just 20 reps in the bench, but turned in a 31 1/2 vertical leap.

And Cooper ran 5.0 and 5.03 in the 40-yard dash with 32 repetitions in the bench. Walker was impressive as well with a 5.18 in the 40-yard dash and a 34 1/2 inch vertical leap.

Meanwhile, 6-foot-1, 208-pound wide receiver Joaquin Iglesias “looked very good catching the ball in positional drills.”

Nearly every NFL team was at the workout. And the Oklahoma staff drew praise for how it was orchestrated, including a barbecue feast for the scouts and coaches.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

brown, the problem with doodoo is that when JC was one of the top passers in the league, he was no where to be found. He's a fraud.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Although it will be a while, newspapers will eventually become part of one of America's exhausted traditions.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 11, 2009 10:37 AM

ESPN 980 in the DC market talked about this last week. One idea thrown out was that the newspaper industry would become a total online entity, and for consumers to access the content, you'd have to pay (sort of similar to Itunes). In fact, one of the guest host thought it happen to one newspaper (he didn't name a particular) by the end of this year.

Posted by: TWISI | March 11, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Still waiting on that alternative to Jason Campbell, "Sports_Guru"...if you wanna live up to your name, you gotta have a solution!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 11, 2009 10:38 AM

For now, I would give Colt a shot. However, we should have our eyes on the waiver wires and the draft in case Colt doesn't work out as a full time starter this season.

If Colt tanks, we make it a major priority of the offseason to bring in potential QBs.

This may be a longer process than just plugging Colt in there. However, if we don't begin the process now, we are that much further away from completing it.

Remember last year when podspeak was advocating drafting Joe Flacco, he was ridiculed for being an idiot.... well we could have had Flacco, if we weren't so attached to Jason Campbell.

We are missing opportunities, while waiting for this 5th year QB to develop.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
This is to GURU!
You may want to re-think your stance on J Campbell.
1st year under Gibbs, we have Mark Brunnell
2nd year Jason Campbell played only in seven games.
3rd year was marked by many distractions with Taylor's death, he played 13 games then got injured.
4th year? head coaching change, Gibbs passing system abandoned, now he has to learn Jim Zorn's west coast hybrid offense, yet he performed well in the first 8 games before the O line gave up on pass protection.
Now Guru, if you consider the fact that J Campbell is actually a First year quaterback under a new offense, I personally think he did well. Tell me what could have been if Redskins did not face the killer defense of Baltimore Ravens, Pittsburg Steelers and New york Giants. If you watch those games, none of those loses is J Campbell's fault, its the offensive line that can not protect the Qback against those defenses. The Skins will have another subpar year if the issue of protecting the QB is not resolved. Give JC time to throw, then you will see differences.
Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | March 11, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I can't talk/type/read Jason Campbell again today.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 11, 2009 10:41 AM

You can't bury your head in the sand forever. The QB position is the most important on the team. Why wouldn't you want to take a chance at an upgrade?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I think I need to call into Washington Post Live so my voice can be heard.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:12 AM

Based on the tenor of your posts and subsequent replies, the audience interested in audibly hearing what you have to say would be limited to you. Do us all a favor and just tape yourself talking and keep replaying it to yourself.

Posted by: chickencalada | March 11, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Why does it matter how high a OT can jump, thats just dumb.

Look at the game tape if the dude can play he can play.

I know some very strong nasty dudes that can't bench press very much.

Bench pressing is hard for guys with longer arms.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I would assume that Fincher's contract is for less, given that Doughty can claim to have a few starts under his belt.

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 10:41 AM

So has Fincher, a former 3rd round draft pick.

Since when has the embargo on conversing with the Sports_Guru been lifted? How has he become legitimized? I remember a lot of racist comments from his end a while ago........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

“All Star,
Jason Campbell lost to the Rams in that span, or we would have been 7-1. I was still highly critical of him during that span for not throwing more than 2 TDs in a game, with several only having 1 or zero TDs in a game.
We won those games based on a very stout defense that wore down midway through the season from having to be on the field too much, cleaning up after short 3 and out Jason Campbell drives.”

Posted by: Sports_Guru

Your analysis is not very sound. Let me remind you that during “that span” Jason Campbell’s QB rating was fifth highest in the league and the team was 7th in the league in total offense. You are attempting to coorelate the team's early success with the Defense which is a real misnomer.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 11, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I mean really people (B-26 and others), you're really going to entertain this guru d0uche for another day?

Hit me when you guys are done playing duck-duck-goose with this clown.

I can't talk/type/read Jason Campbell again today.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 11, 2009 10:41 AM

Red, you make my handle sound like a vitamin! I normally ignore "Sports_Guru" and pray for the day a dog wearing a Campbell jersey mauls him in broad daylight in front of his kids, but today I just REEEALLY want to know what solution he's got for this insane rambling against ONE PLAYER on a team of underachievers. I'm basically giving this d0uche a chance to actually make a solid remark on here and show some semblance of the ability to process an actual thought. Worst case scenario is that HE IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 11, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

flound thanks for posting that.

in the back of my mind, I've convinced myself that the Redskins are trading back, and will end up with both PH, and DR from OK. Plug them in on the right side, and just maul people....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

For now, I would give Colt a shot.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:43 AM

You can't be serious? You just want to throw a third-string second-year quarterback into the fire so he can get all of his confidence immediately destroyed? Get real. We have a solid QB. Upgrade the OL and we're a perpetual playoff team, no doubt about it.

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 11, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

brown,

He came up with Colt, who has never faced a NFL defense.

he is who we though he was.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

If JC has just 1 extra second this year, the offence will be better. He does need to tuck the ball and run more if he sees a huge gap up the middle.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

The WSJ requires a subscription for a lot of its content, but that's a highly targeted set of articles that people can justify paying for... access to their opinion articles is free.
NYT tried to implement subscription when they first went online. They stopped it fairly quickly.
Czaben on 980 is big on the "pay to read" bandwagon; but it's simply too easy to copy sections out and paste them somewhere else (not that that every happens Up Here!), and while you can hire a bunch of lawyers to enforce your copyright, how exactly does that get you more revenue?

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I thought this article was about resigning Reed Doughty. Why not consider that move by the team rather than start another argument about Campbell? It's not like all of that hasn't already been fleshed out 100 times beforehand.

I think the Redskins should bring in Jeff Garcia to be the #2 with a chance to unseat Campbell in 2009 if Jason plays poorly

Posted by: leopard09 | March 11, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

After seeing the Devin Thomas interview last night I'm really starting to feel good about him. He's showing a desire to work hard and improve. He looks up to J. Rice because of his "work ethic". That's what we need to hear. This guy is big, strong, and fast with good hands, if he really works and studies hard we could have a pro-bowl receiver.

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 11, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell may never be an "elite" QB, but he doesn't need to be. Was Mark Rypien an elite QB? Not even close, yet he was the MVP of SB XXVI. All Campbell needs to succeed is some linemen to open holes for the running backs and give him an extra second or two when he drops back to pass. He can do the rest, as he proved in the first half of last season. HTTR!!!

Posted by: paulstutz14 | March 11, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I personally think he did well. Tell me what could have been if Redskins did not face the killer defense of Baltimore Ravens, Pittsburg Steelers and New york Giants. If you watch those games, none of those loses is J Campbell's fault, its the offensive line that can not protect the Qback against those defenses. The Skins will have another subpar year if the issue of protecting the QB is not resolved. Give JC time to throw, then you will see differences...

Posted by: abxinc | March 11, 2009 10:45

He cannot connect in the endzone. He stinks it up in the red zone. The guy just flat out cannot throw TDs.

We need a QB that can throw TDs.

We need a QB that can challenge and beat elite defenses.

We need a QB that makes teams game plan to beat him, not one that takes what a defense will give him.

We need a QB that has the guts to take chances.

We need a QB that makes the defense pay for blitzing him.

We need a QB that stands up to the coach if he feels he is being limited by play calling.

We need a QB that plays to win, not one that plays not to lose.

Jason Campbell is not that QB... Trust me, I wish he was.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Doughty is a solid, not flashy player...hopefully he'll be healthy all year. He is better than Horton against the run, so he should feature in certain schemes as a strong safety. No doubt he'll also shine on special teams.

Posted by: soccerman | March 11, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

the apologists for Campbell will never cease the same excuses..
no reason to bore everyone, but the bottom line is that Campbell is, and will never be anything but a caretaker QB.. the kind who can manage a game, and if all the remaining pieces are in place, win for you.
But, he will never be able to consistently win games on his own for a team. it has been that way for his entire career. he never won consistently at Auburn until he had a backfield that was loaded with C Williams and Ronnie Brown, and had other quality players throughout the roster. why should it be anything else now ? he is what he is, and he will never be much more than that.
If you are okay with that as your starting QB, i have no problems with that position. you work around it and build the team to support Campbell.
But, i have simply had it with the position that, given enough time, Campbell is going top emerge as a top flight Nfl starter.. that is simply fools gold

Posted by: shally | March 11, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

FROM THE TIMES 360 BLOG...because they actually get insider info

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Redskins not interested in Pace

Redskins 360 (View Blog)
POSTED March 11 2009 10:45 AM BY David Elfin Print

Orlando Pace is a 7-time Pro Bowl left tackle who'll be a serious Hall of Fame candidate, but Washington executive vice president Vinny Cerrato just told me this morning the Redskins have no interest in the 33-year-old, who was cut by the Rams on Tuesday. Pace missed 25 of 48 games with injuries the past three seasons. Washington still has depth issues along the line, but Pace won't be an answer there.

Cerrato also said that neither safety Reed Doughty (story here) nor linebacker Alfred Fincher, who both agreed on Tuesday to return to the Redskins, received signing bonuses. And the Redskins have no free agent visitors today.

- David Elfin

Posted by: Skins211 | March 11, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Since when has the embargo on conversing with the Sports_Guru been lifted? How has he become legitimized? I remember a lot of racist comments from his end a while ago........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 10:46

Saying that Jason Campbell was not smart enough to be a successful NFL stqarting QB is not, and never was, racist.

It was people like you that were equating my criticism to the color of his skin... that is proposterous.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Shut your trap sports guru! Had we had a better o-line and scheme last year, we were headed into the playoffs! Campbell cant help the fact that the defense was in the backfield faster then the ball could get snapped. Sounds like to me you have never in your life played any kind of organized football besides John Madden if that. All of the great qb's to ever play in the nfl had protection, time to throw the ball, and receivers to catch it. He's definetly not a Michael Vick, so in order for the guy to do what's needed of him, someone has to be able to keep heat off him for 3secs. You would know that of course had you ever played the game. So unless YOU yourself can do better, shut your pie hole and comment on something you know something about buddy. Oh yea, as far as Colt, who cant put up numbers against 3rd string players who pretty much wont even make the practice squad? Put him in a starting position and he'll crumble just as he did against GA in his last bowl game, but in your eyes probably, that was a stellar starting qb performace huh? You stick JC behind Ne, Pitt, Tenn, and teams where the qb didnt get sacked and start throwing the ball down field instead of those chippy screens, I guarantee you he could be an elite qb in the NFL!!

Posted by: mikenda804 | March 11, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

After seeing the Devin Thomas interview last night I'm really starting to feel good about him. He's showing a desire to work hard and improve

I've also heard Devin say that he plans to be in DC for a lot of the offseason working to get better (unlike what had been previously reported or implied).

Posted by: TWISI | March 11, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

leopard09=shally=guzu

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The root of the newspaper problem is that the price of your newspaper is fixed in everyone's mind at $0.50 per day. That worked when you could get a decent amount of ad revenue and a huge profit margin from classifieds.
Classifieds make no sense anymore. none. Zero. Ebay, craigslist, chuck-it-in-the-trash.
Ad money has dried up because the number of eyeballs seeing the ad has decreased.
And so the papers have raised their rates. This is what we call a death spiral.

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

For now, I would give Colt a shot. However, we should have our eyes on the waiver wires and the draft in case Colt doesn't work out as a full time starter this season.

If Colt tanks, we make it a major priority of the offseason to bring in potential QBs.

This may be a longer process than just plugging Colt in there. However, if we don't begin the process now, we are that much further away from completing it.

Remember last year when podspeak was advocating drafting Joe Flacco, he was ridiculed for being an idiot.... well we could have had Flacco, if we weren't so attached to Jason Campbell.

We are missing opportunities, while waiting for this 5th year QB to develop.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:43 AM

Here's what's wrong with that:

1) You are suggesting playing a 6th round pick with no experience over a guy who does what the Redskins have ALWAYS asked their QBs to do: manage the game and don't throw picks. Yes, Campbell is unspectacular, but he's better than about half the starting QBs in the NFL right now.

2) You're asking for "elite QB play" and looking to remedy that with Colt Brennan. You MUST know how that sounds. You essentially want to replace mediocre QB with...mediocre QB play. Not very compelling.

3) Hate to say it, but Joe Flacco is basically Jason Campbell with a better team. Flacco has a better upside, but if you put Jason Campbell on the Baltimore Ravens they're just as good. If you put JC behind the Ravens O-line, you'd be surprised how much better he looks.

4) We're not missing opportunities. Matt Ryan and Flacco were long gone by the time the Skins picked last year and free agency hasn't really yielded a difference maker at QB since Drew Brees was out there. Bottom line is that there's only about 10 QBs anywhere near elite status and those guys will NEVER come available on the open market. It's time you picked a new argument, buddy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 11, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

good to hear that the light is going on for DT. hopefully that translates into a better grasp of the offense, and more catches this coming season.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"The QB position is the most important on the team. Why wouldn't you want to take a chance at an upgrade?

Posted by: Sports_Guru"

Because the risk of losing FAR outweighs the extremely slim possibility that a 6th round pick exceeds any expectation and upside that every actual football mind places on him in his second season.

But again, we turn to the "average" argument. Pop Quiz, three unnamed QBs are below. One is the starter for the team that ended the season with the best record in football, one is the starter for the team that won the Super Bowl, the other is Jason Campbell. Which one is which?

COMP-315 ATT-506 COMP%-62.3 YARDS-3245 TD-13 INT-6 RUSH YDS-258 RATING-84.3


COMP-242 ATT-415 COMP%-58.3 YARDS-2676 TD-12 INT-7 RUSH YDS-49 RATING-80.2


COMP-281 ATT-469 COMP%-59.9 YARDS-3301 TD-17 INT-15 RUSH YDS-101 RATING-80.1

Posted by: psps23 | March 11, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

So the Sportsgoof wants to dump Campbell, start Colt (who had ONE good pre-season game) and scour the waiver wires to find an upgrade. Thats your solution? That doesn't even make any sense!

Its Campbell's last year of his contract anyway. He'll have to put up or shut or hes done here. I would think that alone would've made you happy, but yet you are still pissed.

I swear your whole beef with Campbell reeks of a more personal problem. What did he steal your girlfriend or something.

Posted by: Predator48 | March 11, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Did they really need to re-sign the oft-beaten Doughty? His highlight film should include stupid pass interference plays and Doughty failing to catch up with a receiver that beat him deep. Again, the Redskins are not focusing on their needs. There still are holes at tackle, linebacker and defensive end. Why shouldn't they be the priorities?

On another note, why not try Montgomery and Alexander at defensive end in training camp? The team suddenly has a stable full of defensive tackles and I know Montgomery was a pretty decent sack maker in high school. Alexander is pretty gifted physically having played offensive line and tight end in some situations, so why not add another position to his resume? The team is going to need to be creative in how they address the hole at defensive end. Unless they are seeing something I missed during the season, not of the younger guys can be considered every down defensive ends. Chris Wilson is strictly a pass rush specialist; Buzzbee and Jackson don't have the playing time, so the jury is still out on them. The team might have to cut a defensive tackle if they cannot find another slot for these guys, so what do they have to lose? I'd tell Monty to start shedding some pounds and focus on speed work in the weight room.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 11, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

to beantown

i am most assuredly NOT anyone else.. if our positions are the same, so be it. you dont have to agree with it, but i dont shill for anyone... i post under only one name and always have.. going back to the days when the WaPo actually had a Redskin Board

shally

Posted by: shally | March 11, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I want to see our O line is like without dinosaurs Jansen and Kendall. Dock will be huge inside. If our new OT can be plugged in right away, we see improvement. I cannot stress enough the importance of building our lines the next couple of drafts. No flashy players, just bruisers. Word!

Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

can we be done with guzu, and just put him on ignore going forward....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Also, everyone needs to remember that Tom Brady is a 6th round pick as well. So, condemning a player for his draft position is a very poor argument.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

brown,

He came up with Colt, who has never faced a NFL defense.

he is who we though he was.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 10:50 AM

AND WE LET HIM OFF THE HOOK!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 11, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

AS we can all see the highly intelligent VINNY has once again backed us into a corner. We're giving away money to guys who aren't going to contribute worth a dime next Doughty,Fincher???? He's actually thinking of resigning Washington???? Daniels maybe, but not Washington and definitely not Wynn unless its so he can retire a redskin. Its like these guys haven't taken a look past our old roster from years before. Here a some definite options, At DE how about Mike Montgomery, Bertrand Berry, Vonnie Holiday?? At OLB Angelo Crowell or hometwon kid Cato June??? I mean lets get younger and athletic or atleast find a reliable non-injury prone temporary replacement until we can draft the necessary guy to hold the position for a long time to come. In my opinion sign a DE (not a former skin) and draft Brian Cushing for OLB or do the opposite and sign a OLB (not a former skin)and draft Brian Orakpo. Its not rocket science!!

Posted by: cee_212002 | March 11, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"I've also heard Devin say that he plans to be in DC for a lot of the offseason working to get better (unlike what had been previously reported or implied)."

I sure hope the light goes on for the 2nd year guys. They need playmakers to step up on offense. Teams doubled Moss and Cooley with no repercussions last year...can't be the same this year if they want a different result.

If Thomas and Kelly open things up, who knows, maybe those screens to Moss will actually work.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Guru,

You arguments are limited to the abstract. He (Campbell) needs to have "guts", needs to be able to "challenges" or needs to "play to win". These examples clearly indicate that you know little about the intricacies of the position. Jim Zorn and company may just be better evaluators of his talent and/or potential than you are. If they were able to land a quarterback with a better upside, why wouldn't they do so? Clearly they see something in him. You can scoff at this with ease, but if your livelihood were on the line as theirs is, you would put the best talent available on the field. People can be wrong. So can you.

Posted by: chickencalada | March 11, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead, I agree.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Campbell and the rest of the QBs are here to stay -- at least for this year. Guru: You need to deal with it, because there is no money left under the cap to hire even a journeyman QB. Next year you may get your wish if Campbell doesn't perform up to expectations and the Skins don't sign him to another contract.

Personally, I think Campbell is the best QB the Skins have had in a decade... That said the offense need to improve this year. They have to be able to pass protect and complete passes down field.

Posted by: siris | March 11, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

psp23,

He is the top of the 3 in your list... I have that 13 TDs etched in my mind... what a horribly low number.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I don't like JC17, but I think the reasoning is different.

Wheter you like him or not, he's our QB for the 2009 season......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

COMP-315 ATT-506 COMP%-62.3 YARDS-3245 TD-13 INT-6 RUSH YDS-258 RATING-84.3
JC

COMP-242 ATT-415 COMP%-58.3 YARDS-2676 TD-12 INT-7 RUSH YDS-49 RATING-80.2
BR


COMP-281 ATT-469 COMP%-59.9 YARDS-3301 TD-17 INT-15 RUSH YDS-101 RATING-80.1
Collins

Posted by: psps23 | March 11, 2009 11:01 AM |

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Also, everyone needs to remember that Tom Brady is a 6th round pick as well. So, condemning a player for his draft position is a very poor argument.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:03 AM

Yeah...one of the rare 6th rounders to be great. YOU need to remember that Brady was an injury replacement, not a guy who was picked to be groomed to be a star QB. Colt wasn't picked to be a star QB...he's a clipboard holder who should only get a chance to play if Campbell's knee gets rolled up on.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 11, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Arguing with an ignorant person just proves there are 2 ignorant people....

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"I have that 13 TDs etched in my mind... what a horribly low number.

Posted by: Sports_Guru"

So low that it's doomed the Redskins to 7-9, 8-8, or 9-7 finishes guaranteed, right?

Except the number right below it, "TD-12", belongs to a QB that won 13 games last season. Etch that in your mind.

Posted by: psps23 | March 11, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

can we be done with guzu, and just put him on ignore going forward....

PLEASE!!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

So the FO is is avoiding Pace.

But there was word Vinny might add a vet tackle.

Any word or opinion on who that might be?

Barnes, maybe?

You don't think they'll trade a future pick to get some team's starting tackle?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

According to The Insider, Elfin, who actually speaks to Vinny, they didn't receive signing bonuses.

So he is saying Fincher or Doughty can get cut at anytime.

They are #52 and 53 on the roster.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:11 AM

Hooray! Someone knocked him out mid "sentence"....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 11, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

“the apologists for Campbell will never cease the same excuses..
no reason to bore everyone, but the bottom line is that Campbell is, and will never be anything but a caretaker QB.. the kind who can manage a game, and if all the remaining pieces are in place, win for you.
But, he will never be able to consistently win games on his own for a team. it has been that way for his entire career. he never won consistently at Auburn until he had a backfield that was loaded with C Williams and Ronnie Brown, and had other quality players throughout the roster. why should it be anything else now ? he is what he is, and he will never be much more than that.
If you are okay with that as your starting QB, i have no problems with that position. you work around it and build the team to support Campbell.
But, i have simply had it with the position that, given enough time, Campbell is going top emerge as a top flight Nfl starter.. that is simply fools gold”
Posted by: shally

Really? Really? More sound theory based on his collegiate career and 2 years as a starter, or just more bull$h!t analysis? Excuses? Is a pathetic O’line an excuse or just a reality? Was he not a “top flight NFL starter” when we were 6-2 last year before the O’line broke down and the running game and pass protection came to a screeching halt? What is a top “flight NFL starter” anyway? Are you saying JC is not as good as Tom Brady? OK, I concede…

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 11, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Barnes is young so I can see that. Plenty of LB's better than Marcus too. We need to sign someone who can come in and play. Cato June........

Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I would have opted to re-sign Demetric Evans and Marcus Washington first. But, if we bring back Daniels and Doughty, at least we know what we are gettting for cheap.

Why not bring in Orlando Pace and let him extend his career by moving to Right Tackle?

Posted by: MadeRED | March 11, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Arguing with an ignorant person just proves there are 2 ignorant people....

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 11:08 AM |

How about if you take an ignorant person out and buy him lunch? Is that different somehow?

Or if you run over his foot with your back tire? Or if you buy him a book?

Chris LarRy's going to buy me that Michael Lewis book, so I hope that doesn't prove we're ignorant.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

siris
'...I think Campbell is the best QB the Skins have had in a decade...'

Agreed.

And the discussion move on to the third round?

If 13 is a tackle, what's the 3 round pick?

Slb or de or cb or c/g?

And who might be there for the taking?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Arguing with an ignorant person just proves there are 2 ignorant people....

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 11:08 AM

And therefore you are arguing with an ignorant person who is arguing with another ignorant person, making you, per your statement, ignorant.

Posted by: chickencalada | March 11, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

te, just you....not cl.

I'm going to run over your foot too....just an fyi...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"How about if you take an ignorant person out and buy him lunch? Is that different somehow?"

Yes?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
This is to educate GURU
Passing Leaders
NAME COM ATT PCT YDS YPA LNG TD TD% INT INT% SK SYD RAT
1 P. Rivers QB, SDG 312 478 65.3 4009 8.39 67 34 7.1 11 2.3 25.0 151 105.5
2 C. Pennington QB, MIA 321 476 67.4 3653 7.67 80 19 4.0 7 1.5 24.0 121 97.4
3 K. Warner QB, ARI 401 598 67.1 4583 7.66 79 30 5.0 14 2.3 26.0 182 96.9
4 Drew Brees QB, NOR 413 635 65.0 5069 7.98 84 34 5.4 17 2.7 13.0 92 96.2
5 P. Manning QB, IND 371 555 66.8 4002 7.21 75 27 4.9 12 2.2 14.0 86 95.0
6 A. Rodgers QB, GNB 341 536 63.6 4038 7.53 71 28 5.2 13 2.4 34.0 231 93.8
7 M. Schaub QB, HOU 251 380 66.1 3043 8.01 65 15 3.9 10 2.6 23.0 149 92.7
8 Tony Romo QB, DAL 276 450 61.3 3448 7.66 75 26 5.8 14 3.1 20.0 123 91.4
9 J. Garcia QB, TAM 244 376 64.9 2712 7.21 71 12 3.2 6 1.6 23.0 100 90.2
10 M. Cassel QB, NWE 327 516 63.4 3693 7.16 76 21 4.1 11 2.1 47.0 219 89.4
11 Matt Ryan QB, ATL 265 434 61.1 3440 7.93 70 16 3.7 11 2.5 17.0 104 87.7
12 Shaun Hill QB, SFO 181 288 62.8 2046 7.10 48 13 4.5 8 2.8 23.0 148 87.5
13 S. Wallace QB, SEA 141 242 58.3 1532 6.33 90 11 4.5 3 1.2 14.0 76 87.0
14 E. Manning QB, NYG 289 479 60.3 3238 6.76 48 21 4.4 10 2.1 27.0 174 86.4
15 D. McNabb QB, PHI 345 571 60.4 3916 6.86 90 23 4.0 11 1.9 23.0 149 86.4
16 Jay Cutler QB, DEN 384 616 62.3 4526 7.35 93 25 4.1 18 2.9 11.0 69 86.0
17 T. Edwards QB, BUF 245 374 65.5 2699 7.22 65 11 2.9 10 2.7 23.0 143 85.4
18 J. Delhomme QB, CAR 246 414 59.4 3288 7.94 65 15 3.6 12 2.9 20.0 130 84.7
19 J. Campbell QB, WAS 315 506 62.3 3245 6.41 67 13 2.6 6 1.2 38.0 266 84.3
20 D. Garrard QB, JAC 335 535 62.6 3620 6.77 41 15 2.8 13 2.4 42.0 288 81.7
21 B. Favre QB, NYJ 343 522 65.7 3472 6.65 56 22 4.2 22 4.2 30.0 213 81.0
22 Joe Flacco QB, BAL 257 428 60.0 2971 6.94 70 14 3.3 12 2.8 32.0 276 80.3
23 K. Collins QB, TEN 242 415 58.3 2676 6.45 56 12 2.9 7 1.7 8.0 60 80.2
24 B. Roethlisberger QB, PIT 281 469 59.9 3301 7.04 65 17 3.6 15 3.2 46.0 284 80.1
25 Kyle Orton QB, CHI 272 465 58.5 2972 6.39 65 18 3.9 12 2.6 27.0 160 79.6
26 J. Russell QB, OAK 198 368 53.8 2423 6.58 84 13 3.5 8 2.2 31.0 210 77.1
27 T. Thigpen QB, KAN 230 420 54.8 2608 6.21 75 18 4.3 12 2.9 26.0 162 76.0
28 G. Frerotte QB, MIN 178 301 59.1 2157 7.17 99 12 4.0 15 5.0 29.0 164 73.7
29 D. Orlovsky QB, DET 143 255 56.1 1616 6.34 96 8 3.1 8 3.1 14.0 95 72.6
30 M. Bulger QB, STL 251 440 57.0 2720 6.18 80 11 2.5 13 3.0 38.0 263 71.4
31 R. Fitzpatrick QB, CIN 221 372 59.4 1905 5.12 79 8 2.2 9 2.4 38.0 193 70.0
32 D. Anderson QB, CLE 142 283 50.2 1615 5.71 70 9 3.2 8 2.8 14.0 87 66.5
J Campbell is still better than 13 other QB in the league, including Flaco. Pittsburgh Rothlisberger won superbowl with passer rating lower than Campbell. Give Campbell Pittsburgh type O line, then see what happens.
Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | March 11, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"he is what he is, and he will never be much more than that.

Posted by: shally"

Spoken on true ignorance of the fact that every year as a starter, Campbell has improved his completions, completion percentage, yards, INTs, TD/INT ratio, INT percentage per pass play, fumbles, turnovers per pass play, rush yards, passer rating, winning percentage, and total wins.

But you're completely correct. Campbell is what he is. I see no indication based on any tangible results that Campbell can improve to more than what he currently is. None whatsoever. What possibly could I have been thinking.

Posted by: psps23 | March 11, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Let's not go too far in blaming Jason Campbell's troubles on the rest of the offense. The Redskins offense HAS shown signs of life in the JC era - when TODD COLLINS was running things at the end of 2007. Same offensive line, same small receivers which he was somehow able to hit. Jason holds the ball too long and his telegraphed delivery causes an inordinate amount of tipped balls at the line of scrimmage. You could send Randy Moss, T.O., or even a renovated Raymond Berry across the middle and I doubt Campbell would hit them. Oh, and what about all the 2 yd dump offs on 3rd and 10? He's the 4th best QB in the NFC East so it's no coincidence that's where the Skins are wallowing. I'm not trying to push Collins, just trying to put the Jason discussion in perspective. We're never going to get there with JC.

Posted by: bones21 | March 11, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"And therefore you are arguing with an ignorant person who is arguing with another ignorant person, making you, per your statement, ignorant."

I would answer you, but I guess that would just compound the damage. Point being, now matter how much sense you make, you're not going to change Guru's mind. So leave it alone.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Jesus Christ that Guru dude is nutso I think.

He seriously wants Colt Brennan? Just a JC hater!

I could buy someone wanting to pickup someone like Byron Leftwich. I think Leftwich would be interesting to look at. But Colt Brennan? Really?

I bet Guru hasn't watched more than one full game of Colt Brennan in college. Dude wasn't that good at all. There's a reason we don't see those lame gimmick offenses in the NFL.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 11, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I think the signing of Doughty is good. I prefer the moves to add depth vs. the big splash free agent signings.

I see in the article that Dave Butz is his agent. I assume that is the guy who played D-Line back in the day for the Skins.

Posted by: verbal8 | March 11, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Reed Doughty = slowest defensive back in the NFL

Great guy, but not a great player

Posted by: Barno1 | March 11, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I read the Rams released T Orlando Pace... Wonder if he'd be worth having around for the right (low) price?

He's 33 and has had some injuries but still, the Skins O-line could always use some proven back-ups.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 11, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Dude Pace would start! Who currently on either side is better than him ? We are talking about a HOF player when he retires
and even at 33 Pace is better than Both Samuels , Jansen and Hyer? You say good backup like he would be backing up our
starting tackles .. come on seriously !

Posted by: rlomax67 | March 11, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins offense HAS shown signs of life in the JC era"

Yep, when we hit a 4-game win streak, including wins over the Dallas Cowboys, the New Orleans Saints, NFC finalist Philadelphia Eagles, and Super Bowl finalist Arizona Cardinals. But I guess that just slipped your mind.

Posted by: psps23 | March 11, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

abxinc

That post hurt my eyes.

Let sports_guru/shally, et al wallow in the clueless whining mire of not knowing what they don't know.

The Campbell discussion is as played as fade hair cuts and James Brown records.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Reed Doughty = slowest defensive back in the NFL

Great guy, but not a great player

Posted by: Barno1 | March 11, 2009 11:27 AM

Barno,

Did Jasno, the beat reporter, ever get you that CD that he promised you? From what you've said about him, I picture him similarly to the way you portray Doughty: not a great guy, but not a great reporter, either. Have I got that right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Glad to have Doughty back. His presence solidifies our depth at safety.

Guru,
I have concluded that no one will ever QB the redskins as you see fit. Even if you suggest a quarterback and tell everybody that your hand picked QB will fully succeed the string of QBs that have lead the team before, you and your QB would be sadly mistaken!!!!
Just like your posts are: sadly mistaken.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"And therefore you are arguing with an ignorant person who is arguing with another ignorant person, making you, per your statement, ignorant."

I would answer you, but I guess that would just compound the damage. Point being, now matter how much sense you make, you're not going to change Guru's mind. So leave it alone.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 11:24 AM

Though you seem immensely equipped to be Sheriff of the "Doughty Signs for 1 Year with Skins" comments section, I suggest you choose an activity for which your dictatorship can be better applied. Hall monitor, perhaps? I welcome other suggestions and/or cliches.

Posted by: chickencalada | March 11, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Guru,
I have concluded that no one will ever QB the redskins as you see fit. Even if you suggest a quarterback and tell everybody that your hand picked QB will fully succeed the string of QBs that have lead the team before, you and your QB would be sadly mistaken!!!!
Just like your posts are: sadly mistaken.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009 11:32 AM

The Jason Campbell experiment has had several years to unfold. It hasn't worked. We need to cut our losses at this point.

Read this article, the author lays it out so anyone can understand.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/127468-washington-redskins-colt-brennan-is-the-future-jason-campbell-the-past

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"Let's not go too far in blaming Jason Campbell's troubles on the rest of the offense. The Redskins offense HAS shown signs of life in the JC era - when TODD COLLINS was running things at the end of 2007. Same offensive line, same small receivers which he was somehow able to hit. Jason holds the ball too long and his telegraphed delivery causes an inordinate amount of tipped balls at the line of scrimmage. You could send Randy Moss, T.O., or even a renovated Raymond Berry across the middle and I doubt Campbell would hit them. Oh, and what about all the 2 yd dump offs on 3rd and 10? He's the 4th best QB in the NFC East so it's no coincidence that's where the Skins are wallowing. I'm not trying to push Collins, just trying to put the Jason discussion in perspective. We're never going to get there with JC."

Posted by: bones21

Contraire, Bones. Most would agree that going 6-2 to start last season is a ‘sign of life.’ He might hold on to the ball at times, but he was receiving accolades for not throwing interceptions and scrambling to make first downs with his feet.
How quick we are to blame all the troubles of an offense and the team on the QB. His short pass attempts reflect the passing routes of the west coast offense. He can throw the deep ball with the best of them. He’s the best QB we have had in a long, long time. (Todd Collins… are you kidding?)

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 11, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

"he is what he is, and he will never be much more than that.

Posted by: shally"

I'm sure that's what the Chargers said about Drew Brees. 'Nuff said...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 11, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Contraire, Bones. Most would agree that going 6-2 to start last season is a ‘sign of life.’ ...

Posted by: all_star_0013

We should have been 8-0, or in the very least 7-1.

This is what I mean, I am not willing to settle. The guy should have been able to get us one more score against the Rams, and 9 more points against the Giants (we had 7..FOR THE ENTIRE GAME).

Look at the body of work over JC's career... he is a loser.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"I suggest you choose an activity for which your dictatorship can be better applied. Hall monitor, perhaps? I welcome other suggestions and/or cliches."

You win, have fun chicken.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Yoders right no matter how hard we work "you cant fix stupid" as they say.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"he is what he is, and he will never be much more than that.

Posted by: shally"

I'm sure that's what the Chargers said about Drew Brees. 'Nuff said...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 11, 2009 11:40 AM

Do you mean the same Drew Brees that we didn't bother making a play for, because we were too busy giving Jason Campbell yet another chance?

This is what I mean by letting potential QBs slip away while waiting for the Campbell train to leave the station.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Orlando Pace, simply put, is risky business. However, he fits our Offensive line mantra: 'Get old & injury prone.'

Don't want Pace. Here's an idea: draft a tackle with #13.

Here's another idea: Sign Tory Holt!

Holt is precisely what the doctor ordered for Tana, Campbell and the rest of the skins offense. Not only would Holt's presence relinquish double coverage from Moss, but 11 & 12 would benefit from his experience, work ethic, and overall team-first demeanor.

$Two Mill for Pace or $Two Mill for Holt?
Make my day Danny & Vinny, get Holt if possible!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

My point is that we may not find an elite QB with the next one we put behind center, but if we continue to stick with Jason Campbell, who has shown that he can't do it, we are losing time to find the right guy, whether the right guy is Colt, or a QB yet to be on the team.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Guru, we get it. You're convinced that you are right. So is everyone else who posts here. And you may be right. But you do not KNOW that JC will fail. And more importantly, the data does not support your theory. JC has improved his stats every year. He has only been a starter for 2 1/2 years, why write him off this early? What if the Steelers had written off Terry Bradshaw, who was terribly erratic in the early years of his career. Many other good to great QBs had slow progressions to stardom. In fact, very few become stars in their first 3 or 4 years. You know that. So let him continue to get better, as he has been doing, and you just might be surprised. Oh and your constant comments about his "lack of intelligence" could be interpreted as an old-school racial stereotype...unless you happen to have some other data to support that? Do you have ANY true idea about JC's intelligence level? If not, please stick to the facts. JC has NOT "shown that he can't do it". Yet.

Posted by: kcc1 | March 11, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"I suggest you choose an activity for which your dictatorship can be better applied. Hall monitor, perhaps? I welcome other suggestions and/or cliches."

You win, have fun chicken.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 11:43 AM

Ahh, but see that's the point. The "winning" or "losing" ain't the fun part, it's the discussion in between.

Posted by: chickencalada | March 11, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Alex,

It was worth a shot I guess. On a separate note, do you know if that Crowell guy signed anywhere yet?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 11, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Oh and your constant comments about his "lack of intelligence" could be interpreted as an old-school racial stereotype...unless you happen to have some other data to support that? Do you have ANY true idea about JC's intelligence level? If not, please stick to the facts. JC has NOT "shown that he can't do it". Yet.

Posted by: kcc1 | March 11, 2009 11:46 AM

He scored a 14 on the Wunderlich test. That is very low for a QB.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Lets face it we are all losing.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

What planet is this dude on?

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 11, 2009 11:50 AM

The planet of people who know what they are talking about regarding sports.

Our O-line was giving Jason Campbell 3 to 5 seconds in a pocket. JC held the ball too long and took snaps. This is a West Coast Offense... quick release... stick and move... jab jab... knock out punch!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Guru,
This article is terrible: poor judgment, lack of integrity and tons of ASSumptions.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/127468-washington-redskins-colt-brennan-is-the-future-jason-campbell-the-past

Did you write this article?
"I don't buy into the thought process that says you absolutely need to have a great offensive line, key players at skill positions, and a dynamic and creative head coach at the helm to succeed."

Whatever floats your boat.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Campbell plays too conservative, too many dumpoffs. This is a sign of someone not sure of themselves. He needs to take more chances down field like past qb's Rypien, Schroeder, Williams. None of these guys were great pct. passers but they were not afraid to take risks either.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 11, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Lets face it we are all losing.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2009 11:53 AM

There are no losers in a healthy debate. However, I can think of one person who is a loser... his initials are J and C.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Do you mean the same Drew Brees that we didn't bother making a play for, because we were too busy giving Jason Campbell yet another chance?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:45 AM

That's right...the same Drew Brees that came off of a bad shoulder injury and only 2 teams wanted when he was a FA. The same guy who only had one good year and underachieved his first 4 or so years as the starter. Nobody rolls out of bed a great NFL QB...that takes time. No reason why JC can't have the same career arc as Brees. But then again, you have the patience of a 2 year-old so that apparently won't be enough for you...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 11, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

somebody needs to give guru a "jab jab... knock out punch"

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 11, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Campbell plays too conservative, too many dumpoffs. This is a sign of someone not sure of themselves. He needs to take more chances down field like past qb's Rypien, Schroeder, Williams. None of these guys were great pct. passers but they were not afraid to take risks either.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 11, 2009 11:54 AM

Exactly!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

He scored a 14 on the Wunderlich test. That is very low for a QB.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:51 AM

That means nothing...I'm pretty sure that was Marino's score too. And Ryan Leaf did well on it. Try again...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 11, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell plays too conservative, too many dumpoffs. This is a sign of someone not sure of themselves. He needs to take more chances down field like past qb's Rypien, Schroeder, Williams. None of these guys were great pct. passers but they were not afraid to take risks either."
Posted by: joeboggs | March 11, 2009 11:54 AM

Rewind to two seasons ago when he did take chances down field. (Which plays more into the offensive scheme then it does anything else).

Rewind to 2005 draft when Gibbs hand picked Campbell because of his 'strong arm' and 'deep ball.'

Rewind to when Zorn became head coach and implemented the WCO - an offense based on short, timing routes and YAC!!!!!!!!

Jason Campbell: Most Consecutive Pass Attempts without an Interception - 252 (12/02/07 - 11/03/08)

How many of those passes were dumpoffs?

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

No I am going to say the guy making over 2 million a year even if his team plays poorly is not the looser in this one. I am willing to venture the guess that few to none on here are making even an NFL vet minimum.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

'...This is a sign of someone not sure of themselves....'

Another sign of someone not being sure of himself is a guy who makes the same argument over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

word on the street is that "Sports Guru" is really elvis grbac trying to come out of retirement...

Posted by: carsonspence | March 11, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

joeboggs- You mean those three QBs who played behind the Hogs, and had Monk, Clark, and Sanders; in a system that loved the deep ball?

Versus this QB who has a sieve for an OL, and Moss, uh, and, uh, Thrash and, uh, Randle-EL? And a system that doesn't dig the deep ball?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 11, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Anybody on board with this?

"Orlando Pace, simply put, is risky business. However, he fits our Offensive line mantra: 'Get old & injury prone.'

Don't want Pace. Here's an idea: draft a tackle with #13.

Here's another idea: Sign Tory Holt!

Holt is precisely what the doctor ordered for Tana, Campbell and the rest of the skins offense. Not only would Holt's presence relinquish double coverage from Moss, but 11 & 12 would benefit from his experience, work ethic, and overall team-first demeanor.

$Two Mill for Pace or $Two Mill for Holt?
Make my day Danny & Vinny, get Holt if possible!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009 11:45 AM"

This does not apply to Sports_Guru. His input is absurd. As Moe pointed, 'Another sign of someone not being sure of himself is a guy who makes the same argument over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again."

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I agree, the offense JC is in doesn't help him much. Pocket pressence/awareness and throwing off his back foot doesn't show me he has the skills and what it takes to be successful. He is just not a gamer, hopefully that changes.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 11, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"It was erroneously reported that the Redskins did not offer Doughty a contract"

was this J Ca Ca doing the erroneous reports?

Posted by: IHateJLC | March 11, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Campbell plays too conservative, too many dumpoffs. This is a sign of someone not sure of themselves.

joeboggs

Or it could a sign or WR not getting open, or running the wrong pattern. It could also mean the OL and RBs aren't pass blocking correctly. It could also mean that the general offense sucked because of a 1st year HC and OC. Expand your thinking my man.

Posted by: TWISI | March 11, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Campbell plays too conservative, too many dumpoffs. This is a sign of someone not sure of themselves. He needs to take more chances down field like past qb's Rypien, Schroeder, Williams. None of these guys were great pct. passers but they were not afraid to take risks either.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 11, 2009 11:54 AM

Exactly!

Posted by: Sports_Guru


--------------------

Don't be too quick to pat yourself on the back just because one other person speaking with ignorance on scheme, philosophy, and playcalling agrees with you.

Santana Moss had 79 receptions
Chris Cooley had 83 receptions
Antwaan Randle El had 53 receptions

These are Campbell's top 3 targets. They account for 67.6% of the team's 318 receptions.

Now let's look at the Arizona Cardinals:

Larry Fitzgerald had 96 receptions
Anquan Boldin had 89 receptions
Steve Breaston had 77 receptions

They account for 62.7% of the team's 418 receptions.

Now I ask you, when in god's name do you suggest Campbell throw the ball downfield? He hits his top 3 targets with a greater percentage than nearly any other quarterback in the league. But somehow, he dumps the ball off too much? What? Do you even analyze, or just pull ideas straight out of your ###?

Another asinine argument brought about through people's ignorant perception. But I guess you'd rather have Campbell run his WRs routes too.

Posted by: psps23 | March 11, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Guru -- when you've finished convincing us all that Colt is the answer, will there be a petition to sign? Or are we marching on Ashburn?

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse


this just in - the Skins have signed OL Muh Ballsik.

Posted by: rlomax67 | March 11, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Or it could a sign or WR not getting open, or running the wrong pattern. It could also mean the OL and RBs aren't pass blocking correctly. It could also mean that the general offense sucked because of a 1st year HC and OC. Expand your thinking my man.

Posted by: TWISI | March 11, 2009 12:10 PM

Amen.

The reality is that none of us here study the game film and have any real grasp of whether JC is a guy on the rise or if "he is what he is." But my whole argument is that you don't dump a guy you've invested this much in "just because". There's no clear-cut upgrade out there and you have to give this kid a chance to prove he was worth the picks. If healthy, this year ought to tell us all we need to know.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 11, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

He scored a 14 on the Wunderlich test. That is very low for a QB.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:51 AM |

Well, it would be very high for a Sports_Guru.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow this blog(team) has more poor weather fans(opposite of) than fair weather fans it is unbelievable.
Guru comes up here and constantly beats the dead horse(figuratively).
Come up with a name for the future that will be the greatest QB of all time that the redskins can pick up. Keep in mind the cap situation, because it is impossible to have more people up here complaining about more than one thing at a time.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 11, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

psps23= IQ 135
Sports_Guru = Re re

Posted by: 4skinz | March 11, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree, Campbell is what he is, right now a very average qb. My opinion is just a gut feeling of what we will get moving forward, you know the funk face look and the no fire in belly type qb, As I stated earlier, hopefully JC evolves into a good qb. I agree though, Colt is not the answer at least not yet. Not addressing the wr spot is not good either way.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 11, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I am the one and only Guru, plenty of people agree with me.

However, I do voice my opinion much more strongly.

The first year or two, no one agreed with me. Now as each year passes, more and more people are realizing what a joke Jason Campbell is.

Unfortunately, it shouldn't take years for people to realize the guy can't play. I HAVE BEEN SAYING IT FOR YEARS... RIGHT HERE.

My HUGE push last year was to trade Jason Campbell, while other teams were still in the belief that he had potential. We could have gotten a high round draft pick for him prior to the 2007 draft.


Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 9:36 AM
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So let me get this right, you know better than not only the Skins, but other GM's in the league as well!!! Wow, you really think highly of yourself! Too bad you are so busy with your day to day life that you can't help one of the 32 NFL teams become a dynasty!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

BENGALS WORK OUT ABILENE CHRISTIAN QUARTERBCK
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 11, 2009, 9:53 a.m.
Cincinnati Bengals quarterbacks coach Ken Zampese worked out Abilene Christian quarterback Billy Don Malone this week, according to Adam Caplan of Scout.com.

A 26-year-old Division II star, Malone passed for 34 touchdowns and 2,944 yards last season. He only threw six interceptions.

Malone began his collegiate career at Tulane in 2002 as a blue-chip recruit who turned down offers from Texas, Tennessee and LSU.

According to a New York Times article, Malone had issues at Tulane, including a heart problem, a marijuana habit and a low grade point average.

Since leaving Tulane, Malone has found religion, gotten married and is the father of two children.

At 6-foot-3, 230 pounds, Malone has ideal pro size and a strong arm.

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If a Zampese likes him. I like him.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"We are the freaking Washington Redskins... we deserve an elite passer. If we continue to waste season after season on Jason Campbell, we will be blowing the opportunities to find that elite QB that could elevate us back to where all of us Redskins fans want to be... THE SUPER BOWL!

Posted by: Sports_Guru"

Some Guru. The last truly "elite passer" the Redskins had made the Hall of Fame. His name was Christian Adolph Jurgenson and he never played in a Superbowl for the Redskins.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

SORRY, ARTICLE FROM THE BEGINNING:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/127468-washington-redskins-colt-brennan-is-the-future-jason-campbell-the-past

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I think you have an argument, that is not the argument with your posts. It is that it is just an argument, an opinion. There is nothing that you can find, or state that will prove your argument that Colt should be the starter and Campbell should sit. This is the NFL it is a business, people lose there jobs over poor decisions made in this league. This is the thing that is missing from your argument. If you have the time you have to try and make your argument make more sense but I honestly don't think you have enough right now to do so. Put yourself in Jim Zorns, and Cerrato's shoes and re-ask the question. Also know that as Head Coach and GM you can be dismissed by Daniel Snyder for a poor decision and the same decision can potentially limit your future opportunity financially and professionally.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 11, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Why, Guru, do you think that 1 and 1/2 years of starting is enough to evaluate a QB?

Let's take this one step at a time -

First question - Did Jason Campbell improve at his position in 2008?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 11, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

'...heart problem, a marijuana habit and a low grade point average....'

Explain to Moe how any of this is a problem to have when you're in college.

And somehow, each listed problem is interrelated.

Except that one of the problems makes you slow-minded and you forget why your heart hurts and your grades are low.

That problem sometimes is the best one to have.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"We are the freaking Washington Redskins... we deserve an elite passer. If we continue to waste season after season on Jason Campbell, we will be blowing the opportunities to find that elite QB that could elevate us back to where all of us Redskins fans want to be... THE SUPER BOWL!

Posted by: Sports_Guru"

With this guy I think we've reached the elementary school level.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Can Doughty play OLB? I mean he cant cover well as a Safety but may be better at it with

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Interesting question. I think his frame can handle some bulk, he plays hard, can hit a little bit, can cover a little bit. I would say yes if he gains maybe 20 pounds.

Isn't he death? how can he play if he cannot hear? Not trying to offend anyone especially the hearing impaired as I know schools for the hearing impaired have football leagues. I just don't know how that works.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 11, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

This is the post I'm going to direct towards Sports_Guru, so I can say my peace then leave it alone. This is a basic list of running arguments that he has made or is currently making:

- Campbell holds onto the ball too long and dumps the ball off too quick, despite the fact that it's impossible to do both at the same time.

- Campbell dumps the ball off too much, despite the fact that he hits his top 3 targets with greater regularity than a majority of QBs in the league.

- Campbell is unintelligent and can't read defenses, which is probably why he was the least turnover prone QB in the league last season, and led the NFL in lowest interceptions per pass play.

- Campbell is what he is and will never be more, despite the fact that every year he's been a starter he's improved his completions, completion %, yards, INTs, TD/INT ratio, INT%, fumbles, turnover %, rush yards, and passer rating.

- Campbell is a loser, and will never be a QB of a winning team, despite the fact that he's improved his win totals from 2 to 5 to 8 in successive years, and he's improved his winning percentage from .286 to .417 to .500 in successive years.

And finally,

- That Colt Brennan has a shot of being a better QB than Tom Brady. There is no response to that.

I will now cease arguing with this troll.

Posted by: psps23 | March 11, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

daggar
'...will there be a petition to sign? Or are we marching on Ashburn?'

I'd just rather sign the petition.

Marching makes my heart hurt, causes my grades to drop, and there's nothing to smoke to make me forget why anyone is paying attention to clueless_guru in the first place.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

He scored a 14 on the Wunderlich test. That is very low for a QB.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:51 AM
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Dan Marino reportedly scored a 16, so what's your point!!??
But Dew Henson did score a 42 so I can see now how important the correlation is between a high score and playing ability!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

He needs to take more chances down field like past qb's Rypien, Schroeder, Williams. None of these guys were great pct. passers but they were not afraid to take risks either.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 11, 2009"

I am fairly certain they had the plays called for them for the most part.

Again, the last truly elite passer for the Redskins called his own plays and ran his own offense. His name was Christian Adolph Jurgenson.

Since that point the Redskins have yet to start a truly elite passer. However, IMHO Campbell is the best bet we've had up until now. Jurgenson didn't set the world on fire when he first came up with Philadelphia, likely why he was traded for Norm Snead. One of the Redskin's better deals.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Sleeper of the draft has been discovered RI.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/sports/ncaafootball/29abilene.html?ref=ncaafootball

Bandwagon starts here. F JC17. F Colt. F Collins.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"Isn't he death?"
Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 11, 2009 12:39 PM

No, but if he was I would ask him to visit the Sports_Guru.

However, Reed's deaf.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Jurgenson didn't set the world on fire when he first came up with Philadelphia, likely why he was traded for Norm Snead. One of the Redskin's better deals.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 12:41 PM
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Sorry, but his first year as a starter, he set an NFL record for passing yards and tied the NFL record for TD passes with 32. The next year he missed due to injury and was traded to the Skins the following year.

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"We should have been 8-0, or in the very least 7-1.

This is what I mean, I am not willing to settle. The guy should have been able to get us one more score against the Rams, and 9 more points against the Giants (we had 7..FOR THE ENTIRE GAME).

Look at the body of work over JC's career... he is a loser.


Posted by: Sports_Guru"

Look at the body of work over Sports_Guru's career... he is a loser.


dude, you're complaining about JC from the opening game last season under a rookie head coach against the defending Superbowl champs on the road


wtf

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 11, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

He scored a 14 on the Wunderlich test. That is very low for a QB.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 11, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Wunderlich scores are not released by the NFL. I saw one "report" that he scored a 23. But nobody knows for sure, including you Guru.

Posted by: kcc1 | March 11, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry, but his first year as a starter, he set an NFL record for passing yards and tied the NFL record for TD passes with 32. The next year he missed due to injury and was traded to the Skins the following year.

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009"

The operative word there is ***as a starter**. How many years before he became a starter?

He was placed in charge of a championship team his first year as a starter.

Apparently, the way he ran it did not sit well with management ... record or no record.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"against the defending Superbowl champs on the road"

Remember that pass that hit Thrash square in the shoulder at the goal-line? Is he still on the team?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Isn't he death?"
Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 11, 2009 12:39 PM

No, but if he was I would ask him to visit the Sports_Guru.

However, Reed's deaf.

Posted by: matthewvickers
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Reed is hearing impaired!!! Not deaf!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"Look at the body of work over Sports_Guru's career... he is a loser.

dude, you're complaining about JC from the opening game last season under a rookie head coach against the defending Superbowl champs on the road

wtf

Posted by: TheTruth11"

Give the bald faced boy a break. School must either be boring or out today? Maybe they have a Teacher's Conference?

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

What a waste of a thread!!! This post was about Reed Doughty but the TROLL starts off blasting JC (which is ALL he does) and the rest of the thread is all posts of you guys responding to him.

PLEASE - do not give him the satisfaction....dude just wants attention.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 11, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but his first year as a starter, he set an NFL record for passing yards and tied the NFL record for TD passes with 32. The next year he missed due to injury and was traded to the Skins the following year.

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 12:50 PM |

His first year as a starter was his 5th year, and he didn't miss the next season with injury. He started all 14 games, he then started 9 games the next year and was innjured, and was then traded.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Doughty is a smart investor. He got #37, sold it to Shaun Alexander, picked up #23 and sold that to DeAngelo Hall.
I'm surprised he didn't snag #92 at the beginning of the year.

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is a good QB. He's proven what he can do with:
a decent OL
slightly below avg WRs
a good run game
a good TE

That's what we had for 8 games in 2008. Campbell was just fine. He put the team ahead several times in the 4th quarter drives. In 7 of 8 games, the Skins had a lead in the 4th quarter. Campbell set a team record for consecutive passes w/o an INT

In the 2nd 1/2 of 2008, Campbell had:
a poor OL
well below avg WRs
a mediocre run game
a good TE

Give Campbell solid weapons and the offense is fine. Take away those weapons and the offense struggles.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"However, Reed's deaf.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009"

The guy has overcome a heck uv a lot of adversity. I think both he and Horton have problems in coverage. So, its going to be down to who plays the run best ...

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

What a waste of a thread!!! This post was about Reed Doughty but the TROLL starts off blasting JC (which is ALL he does) and the rest of the thread is all posts of you guys responding to him.

PLEASE - do not give him the satisfaction....dude just wants attention.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 11, 2009 12:56 PM

I agree, to a point.

Lets make this a Billy Don Malone thread.....

(This is the time of the year I wish I was Daniel M Snyder. Because no one can tell you no. I want Billy on my team)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

congrats to Doughty, though his injury sure sounded like the type of thing that ends a football career. If he's healthy and can play as he did in 2007, he's a bargain. If his body doesn't hold up, he wasn't expensive.

If nothing else, he does fit the mold of overachiever and perhaps will push Horton to improve his overall play.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but his first year as a starter, he set an NFL record for passing yards and tied the NFL record for TD passes with 32. The next year he missed due to injury and was traded to the Skins the following year.

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 12:50 PM |

His first year as a starter was his 5th year, and he didn't miss the next season with injury. He started all 14 games, he then started 9 games the next year and was innjured, and was then traded.


Posted by: Flounder21
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My mistake. I guess my memory wasn't as good as I thought! The fact remains he was seen as more than a "middle of the road" QB when the Skins traded for him, which is what my response was aimed at.

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Tell me, what would our record have been if Kurt Warner or Ben Roethlisberger (or any other QB) had been our QB getting brutalized behind our inept O’line and no running game?

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 11, 2009 10:29 AM |
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I believe Big Ben led the league in times sacked this year, and lost his two starting rbs for most of the year (parker and that rookie they drafted) parker came back for the end of the year, but mewelde moore (a guy they signed off the streets in the middle of the season) did most of the running for pit

Posted by: notthecrochunter | March 11, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"PLEASE - do not give him the satisfaction....dude just wants attention.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 11, 2009"

He's a kid not a TROLL. Kid, please go play with your Madden 2XXX football video game now.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I say if the three tackles are not there they need to trade down.

Posted by: Redskins001 | March 11, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan, 2008 NFL Pre-Season MVP!
Here's some advice guru: If you're trying to bolster your argument, find someone a little smarter than Mr. Wong. The opinion of one idiot (you) plus the opinion of another idiot (Mr. Wrong) does not equal a thoughtful opinion.

Posted by: mack1 | March 11, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Reed Doughty plays with a lot of heart! I for one am glad to have him back. I hope he has a break out year and wins the starting job. I'll take heart over hype anytime.

Posted by: PANELMAN | March 11, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Big Ben was sacked 46 times.

JC was sacked 38 times.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Wonder what's worst?

Kilmer and Jurgenson's predilection for Scotch and the Toddle House?

Or Malone's predilection with Marijuana ...

Draft the kid, do the Lincoln thing and buy him 10 cases of scotch if it helps ...

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"I sat with agent Jonathan Feinsod, whose firm represents Pete Kendall. Feinsod said that although Kendall will be 36 in July he still hopes to land a starting job in the NFL and doesn't plan to return to the Redskins unless those hopes aren't realized."

- David Elfin

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Isn't he death?"
Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 11, 2009 12:39 PM

No, but if he was I would ask him to visit the Sports_Guru.

However, Reed's deaf.

Posted by: matthewvickers
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Reed is hearing impaired!!! Not deaf!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the correction deaf not death.

"No, but if he was I would ask him to visit the Sports_Guru."

Scooooooooorrrrrrrreeeee....LMAO

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 11, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

how bout them BEASTCats losers???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 11, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Sonny was thought to be worth ... a Norm Snead ... since that's who he was traded for. Turns out, Norm Snead was no Sonny Jurgensen.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I can't beleive you've guys were baited this bad over the span of two days by some 19 year old unemployed twit.

Hope you've all found what life is worth living in that span by arguing with this - guy...

Damn, peeps... give it a rest. If I were to argue you day in and day out about how the color of the sky is "money green", would you entertain that freakin' BS as well?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 11, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Big Ben was sacked 46 times.

JC was sacked 38 times.

Posted by: Flounder21 |
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Big Ben took a lot of those trying to make big plays. If you want to talk about holding the ball forever, Big Ben is Exhibit #1. Anyone that's watched more than a couple of Steelers' games will tell you that's Ben's game - he holds the ball forever, and rarely throws the ball away when in trouble. That leads to larger sack numbers that seem to overinflate the kind of pressure that Ben had. I think the only game where the Steelers' OL didn't give Ben a chance was that Eagles' game.

On the whole, however, the Steelers' line was much better in pass protection over the whole year than was the Redskins' line.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | March 11, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Red - the sky is not green here in Houston.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 11, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

blow your "BEASTcats" out your ass, truth, you perennial d-bag.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 11, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

U MAD RED??

don't GET MAD that the BEASTCats are gonna be a 7 seed in the playoffs while your loser Wizards (lol) are in what...last place? Sucks2bu

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 11, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

preach it red....ufb...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Sonny, for those that never saw him, was a phenomenal passer. Very quick release, very powerful arm, very accurate.

A coupe years after he retired, the NFL did a punt pass and kick competition with some retired players. While Sonny's kicks were the stuff of funniest home videos, his pass was pure. He took one easy step, let it fly. 65 yards later, the perfect spiral landed ... on the tape!!! I'm guessing he was about 42 at the time.

Man could throw like no one else.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

02/22/09 - Houston Rockets 99 - Charlotte Whatevers - 78

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 11, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

lol I heard from a good source that Sports_Guru and RedDMV are the same person.


what a ****ing loser

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 11, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Campbell for Cutler!!!!!!

Posted by: TBDog | March 11, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I won $300 last night betting the Spurs would blow out the "beastcats". I only place that money on the safest of safe bets. Didn't think twice about it.

Posted by: psps23 | March 11, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

wow 300 bucks

congrats psps23, that should pay your rent for the next 6 months!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 11, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"lol I heard from a good source that Sports_Guru and RedDMV are the same person.
what a ****ing loser
Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 11, 2009 1:35 PM"

What's funny about this post is that I was going to make an claim suggesting Sports_Guru has another handle on this blog. I din't though because I didn't want to hurt anybody's feelings if I was wrong in regards to my association of handles. But here it goes.

TheTruth11 = Sports_Guru

From Sports_guru - "I am the one and only Guru, plenty of people agree with me."

From TheTruth11 - "I'm The Truth, baby.'

The world may never know....

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Sonny, for those that never saw him, was a phenomenal passer. Very quick release, very powerful arm, very accurate.

A coupe years after he retired, the NFL did a punt pass and kick competition with some retired players. While Sonny's kicks were the stuff of funniest home videos, his pass was pure. He took one easy step, let it fly. 65 yards later, the perfect spiral landed ... on the tape!!! I'm guessing he was about 42 at the time.

Man could throw like no one else.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 1:32 PM
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I grew up just down the street from him and on a couple of occassions he threw the ball around with us. I can still see his behind the back spiral going over our heads!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell for Cutler!!!!!!

Posted by: TBDog | March 11, 2009"

Snidely and Vinnie can't be that stupid ...

Can they?

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I just had a moment of clarity: You guys are right. Snyder is taking the fun out of being a skins fan.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | March 11, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

'...although Kendall will be 36 in July he still hopes to land a starting job in the NFL...'


At 44, I wonder why any 36 year old guy who's had an NFL career would want to keep playing.

Guys like Jansen and Kendall make good coaches or commentators, especially Jansen.

To me, they should introduce Pete "Abe Simpson" Kendall to both reality and the unemployment line and draft another c/g type to groom.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Good one Truth. That stung. Really, that was impressive.

Posted by: psps23 | March 11, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Campbell for Cutler makes sense. They are both disgruntled. They are both starting over with new systems (Campbell just 1 year into his new system). While I think the Skins have bigger fish to fry than switching up their QB, I think Vinny should make that happen.

Posted by: TBDog | March 11, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"Man could throw like no one else.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009"

Yep, never know as the "best quarterback" always
as the "best, pure passer" in the game.

Unitas had the title "best quarterback" for most of his career I suppose ... think Billy the "K" was better character wise ... but made the mistake of drinking while driving screwing up his legs in an auto accident ... then getting sent to New Orleans, an expansion franchise, from San Fran.

Not until he got to DC did he get to display his leadership skills as a QB.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey Sports_Guru,

Even though Mosley is a Cowboy's fan, I'll take what he has to say about Campbell over what your local yocal has to say. This was in the NFC Beast Chat yesterday on ESPN.

Mike(DC): Hey Matt. Whats your take on jason Cambell?

Matt Mosley: I know the guy pretty well. Outstanding human being who was on the verge of becoming a Pro Bowler at one point last season. But he broke down when the O-line and running game broke down. I hate that the Redskins aren't showing any confidence in Campbell right now. They should offer him a long-term deal. He's the type of guy you should commit to. But the Redskins would rather throw money at players from other teams. If the Redskins can upgrade this O-line, Campbell has a chance to have a special season in '09.

Posted by: RITCA | March 11, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"Contraire, Bones. Most would agree that going 6-2 to start last season is a ‘sign of life.’ He might hold on to the ball at times, but he was receiving accolades for not throwing interceptions and scrambling to make first downs with his feet.
How quick we are to blame all the troubles of an offense and the team on the QB. His short pass attempts reflect the passing routes of the west coast offense. He can throw the deep ball with the best of them. He’s the best QB we have had in a long, long time. (Todd Collins… are you kidding?)"

I really disagree with "He can throw the deep ball with the best of them." He didn't throw many deep balls last season and when he did they were terrible (usually off target line drives). My other concerns with JC in the West Coast offense are his slow release and long windup (particularly for slants, a major West Coast feature). Those weaknesses at this point make him incompatible for the West Coast (it will hold him back from being anything other than adequate in that system).

Posted by: ipesq | March 11, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Referring to Campbell & Cutler, TBDog said, 'They are both disgruntled.'
Posted by: TBDog | March 11, 2009 1:51 PM

Do what? Campbell is disgruntled? How do you figure that?

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"If a Zampese likes him. I like him.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009"

Found God to overcome drugs, married his girlfriend, gf's father convinces him to return to football, Zampese likes him ...

..............

Sounds like the perfect ideal of a starting QB for Joe Jackson Gibbs or Tom Landry ... ~smiles~

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I think Campbell, is, in fact - pretty gruntled.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 11, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

matthewvickers
'...I was going to make an claim suggesting Sports_Guru has another handle on this blog...'

Excellent detective work, Mr Holmes.

I think there are a couple of red herrings in this blog.

I've noticed that when there are no posts from Jasn La Canfora, a certain blogga blogs like crazy and his posts have details that only a reporter or someone close to FO types would know.

This jumped out at me when reading that guys' posts regarding the re-working of the Randle El and Carter contracts, and his analysis was too on point to be the rants of some dude chilling at work with nothing to do.

But if the Wa Po needs its reporters to drum up chatspeak to get hits on their blogs, well, so be it.



Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

It WASN'T THE QB ... the experts (outside of RI) pretty much agree (as did Joe Bugel):

Jermaine (Geneva , NY): Who or what was to blame for the collapse of the Redskins in the Second have of the season?

SportsNation Matt Mosley: The collapse of the O-line. You're going to get burned when you head into the season with aging starters such as Kendall, Randy Thomas and Jansen. I know Jansen was starting at first, but you know what I'm saying.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell is disgruntled, then he does a pretty good job at hiding it from... well, everybody.

Campbell has a good reason to be disgruntled though: the poor play of the FO not offering him an extension.

While Cutler is raising Hell in Denver, Campbell is quietly doing his job.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Sports_Guru

If it hurts you so bad to know that Jason Campbell is the starting qb of the Redskins
start watching some other team.

Posted by: mlewis1 | March 11, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"But if the Wa Po needs its reporters to drum up chatspeak to get hits on their blogs, well, so be it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009"

Hmmm well if that's true then I've taken up the wrong vocation ... need to turn in my Perl-escent Ruby slippers for a keyboard and a gal pal like Cindy Boren because truth be told I could create a far better "TROLL" without trying ... ~laughing~

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"If a Zampese likes him. I like him.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009"

Found God to overcome drugs, married his girlfriend, gf's father convinces him to return to football, Zampese likes him ...

..............

Sounds like the perfect ideal of a starting QB for Joe Jackson Gibbs or Tom Landry ... ~smiles~

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 1:56 PM


Someone sees where I was trying to get at....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I think I have the same level hearing as RD, no hearing in one ear. The effect of this is you don't hear in stereo and have a tendency to think all the activity is going on on the side you have hearing. If you are a dummy you get confused. If you have had that your whole life you get used to it

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Man could throw like no one else.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009"

Yep, never know as the "best quarterback" always
as the "best, pure passer" in the game.

Unitas had the title "best quarterback" for most of his career I suppose ... think Billy the "K" was better character wise ... but made the mistake of drinking while driving screwing up his legs in an auto accident ... then getting sent to New Orleans, an expansion franchise, from San Fran.

Not until he got to DC did he get to display his leadership skills as a QB.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 1:51 PM
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Sonny was a heck of a leader as well. He still tells Shula that things would have ended differently in '72 had he been playing!! Still the competitor too!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"While Cutler is raising Hell in Denver, Campbell is quietly doing his job.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009"

Campbell's the best we've had in a very, very long time. Still, I would like to give DC's home boy who went to the Superbowl in Pittsburgh a chance agin' him. Competition can't hurt and given the injuries that occur to starting QBs in today's NFL it only makes sense to have a "2nd starter".

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Michael: No need for consternation, everything is under control.

Jan: Michael, last Friday one of your employees attacked another employee in your office!

Michael: It was a crime of passion, Jan, not a disgruntled employee. Everyone here is extremely gruntled.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"Sonny was a heck of a leader as well. He still tells Shula that things would have ended differently in '72 had he been playing!! Still the competitor too!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009"

Yeah, and he was healthy too!!! Damned Allen and his ice cream ego. If Jurgenson had just come in the 4th quarter the game would have ended 28-14 Redskins. First Superbowl win for the Sonny and Billy tag team. That I think we can guarantee would have happened. Jurgy would have been so juiced to be in the superbowl, still smarting from the debacle in Philly when he was young, I doubt that Miami would have known what hit them.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg

Need a one word explanation for the World Baseball Classic?

I have one, "Why?"

I tried catching a game on the MLB Channel only to discover that there were South African baseball players.

Who knew......?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"If the Redskins can upgrade this O-line, Campbell has a chance to have a special season in '09.

Posted by: RITCA | March 11, 2009"

Seems pretty clear given the treatment of Mr. Evans by the FO that the DL are Snidely and Vinnie's favorite sons ...

NO LT in the draft. NO new center. No additional guard. ONLY Dockery. Campbell ends up on the IR.
Colt comes in and throws 20 interceptions.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"Sonny was a heck of a leader as well. He still tells Shula that things would have ended differently in '72 had he been playing!! Still the competitor too!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009"

Yeah, and he was healthy too!!! Damned Allen and his ice cream ego. If Jurgenson had just come in the 4th quarter the game would have ended 28-14 Redskins. First Superbowl win for the Sonny and Billy tag team. That I think we can guarantee would have happened. Jurgy would have been so juiced to be in the superbowl, still smarting from the debacle in Philly when he was young, I doubt that Miami would have known what hit them.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 2:10 PM
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So true!!! Makes you also wonder what the Skins would have been like if Vince had coached more than that one year!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"Man could throw like no one else.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009"

Yep, never know as the "best quarterback" always as the "best, pure passer" in the game.

Posted by: periculum

Sonny's career had a major turning point when Lombardi arrived. Sonny had taken his profession far less seriously up to that point ... an affliction common in the Redskins locker room ... over many years.

Lombardi, whose reputation obviously preceded him, changed everything. Sonny prepared like he had never prepared before -- physically and mentally.

Jurgensen became a complete QB, as good as any ever to play. Problem was, it was already late in his career and Lombardi was really the only quality offensive coach he would ever have. Post Lombardi, Sonny's years were filled with injuries, but his quality of play was often stunning. He won the passing title at age 40.

Interestingly, Lombardi apparently had no idea how good Sonny could be when he arrived. The player Lombardi had seen was out of shape, often hurt and poorly coached. Under Lombardi, that changed completely. Jurgensen probably had more quality coaching in 1 year with Lombardi than in the rest of his career.

According to legend, a couple of former Packers showed up at a Skins practice one day. Lombardi pointed to Sonny and said, "if we'd have had him, we'd have never lost a game."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

moe, lol, I'm a big baseball fan, and I've watched exactly 1 at bat. 1.

I don't get it either, if a pitcher blows out his elbow, or his shoulder from some MLB team, that wont be a good thing.

Making matters worse is that the DR lost to the Netherlands, LOL. The NETHERLANDS, who knew they had a team.

I couldn't care less about these games, and don't know anyone who does...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

How many teams have had as many great coaches as the Redskins in the Super Bowl era - 1 year of Lombardi, 5 years of Allen, 16 years of Gibbs

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 11, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Sure Campbell has quietly gone about his job, but what else can he do? He is one of 32 people in the world with his job and hasn't proven himself in X years. It's been tough because of the coaching changes, but the O-line wasn't always as bad as it was last year. The Skins haven't offered him an extension and he probably thinks he deserves it as he probably thinks he's done the best possible jobs under the circumstances. He doesn't flap his lips, but it doesn't take a psychologist to see that he's seething. I harbor no animosity towards Campbell, but why not explore Cutler?

Posted by: TBDog | March 11, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone actually think Campbell is better than Cutler?

Posted by: TBDog | March 11, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

To be fair The Cow....Nevermind

But, really Tom Land..eh..just nevermind..

30+ years is pretty impres..eh..nevermind again....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Sonny and Griese did have a shoot out at RFK about 2 years after the Super Bowl. Fabulous game. Sonny, in his 1st start of the season, threw 3 picks in the first half. Down 7-0. Second half, the rust is off and Sonny is en fuego. Completes 3/4 of his passes. Still, Griese throws a TD pass to put Miami up by 4 with under 2 minutes. Skins get a good kick return from Herb Mul-Key (a name to remember) and the Skins have to go 60 yards in 100 seconds.

Sonny escapes a rush, flips a short pass to Moses Denson for 6, clock runs. Sonny hits Jerry Smith over the middle for 10 and a first down, then a square out to Charley Taylor on the left side for 4. Clock stops. 40 yards to go. Next play, Sonny hits Charley Taylor, who gets hauled down by 2 Fins on the infield dirt at RFK. Dirt flies everywhere, first down at the 22, time out.

Next play, Sonny hits Roy Jefferson at the 6 and calls the final timeout. First and goal, Sonny tosses a perfect pass to Moses Denson, who get hauled down two steps before he'd catch the TD pass at the goal line. Most blatant pass interference ever. No call. Next play, Sonny hits Larry Smith in the right flat, Smith races to the goal line and the ref signals TD.

Skins win.

On that drive, Sonny went left 2x, middle 3x times and right 2x. Threw 7 passes to 5 different players -- the only inc was the blown interference call. Absolute brilliance.

Now, if I could only remember where i left my car keys ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Now, if I could only remember where i left my car keys ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 2:34 PM

Ask your wife. They always know this stuff.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

peri
'...Hmmm well if that's true then I've taken up the wrong vocation ...I could create a far better "TROLL" without trying...'


Actually, I don't believe you're the little man trolling under the cyberspace bridge that is RI Nayshun.

I'd say who I think it is, but hey, it's not something I care about.

But if you are, well, I enjoy the commentary.

You seem like a cool dude.

It's 79 degrees in Palm Beach County. A gas grill, chicken, 'tater salad, and hickory smoke will take mistamoe's attention away from this blog.

For those of you freezing where ever it is that you live, Hail!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

TBDog, I can buy that. I think Campbell & Cutler are very comparable and I like both of them.

I have not given up hope with JC or the 09' season. So I wouldn't explore Cutler, now. I would explore Tory Holt, though, because he is a valid, receiving threat, opposite of Tana.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe = Dudes from AlphaDog?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Now, if I could only remember where i left my car keys ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 2:34 PM

Ask your wife. They always know this stuff.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Lost the wife ... I remember that being a good thing

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone actually think Campbell is better than Cutler?

Posted by: TBDog | March 11, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Never really seen Cutler play in a whole game, but I can say that neither has proven to be anything in this league except a starter. Neither has taken there team to the playoffs, neither has a winning record so its a toss up. To me its about the "W's".

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 11, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Just read another Mock draft that has us taking Ray Maualuga. haven't heard much about him on here.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone actually think Campbell is better than Cutler?

Posted by: TBDog | March 11, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Never really seen Cutler play in a whole game, but I can say that neither has proven to be anything in this league except a starter. Neither has taken there team to the playoffs, neither has a winning record so its a toss up. To me its about the "W's".

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 11, 2009 2:46 PM
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To me, quarterbacks are best seen, not heard!! Campbell and Cutler might be close stat wise, but I guarantee that Denver fans have not heard much about Campbell while Washington fans have heard way too much about Cutler!!! Give me Campbell any day!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone actually think Campbell is better than Cutler?

Posted by: TBDog | March 11, 2009 2:32 PM

Yes. I think Cutler's numbers are marginally better because he has an offensive line that allowed the Broncos to gain 1,862 yards on 387 rushing attempts; by contrast, the Skins O-line allowed the team to gain 233 more yards in 91 more attempts (Skins - 2,092 on 478 carries).

Despite that porous O-line, Campbell managed to break the team record for passes with out an interception (271, 5th longest streak in NFL history) and kept a completion percentage of 62.9%.

Give this man an O-line like Cutler's! At this stage, I believe Campbell is better than Cutler.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 11, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

From NFL.com

Andre Smith, one of the top offensive tackle prospects in this year’s draft, said he was relying on Alabama’s pro day to make up for the disappearing act he put on at the combine. Well, the first returns aren’t overly impressive.

Smith’s best 40-yard dash time was 5.28 seconds, and he put up just 19 bench-press lifts at 225 pounds. His 40 time would not have been among the top 10 performers at his position in the combine, and his bench-press reps would have put him well behind the top 10.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Just read another Mock draft that has us taking Ray Maualuga. haven't heard much about him on here.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 2:50 PM
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Seems like a Ray Lewis type of punishing inside linebacker. If the Skins are looking for an outside backer, I don't see him being the best USC linebacker for us. That is if the others are still around!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't shock me if Tory Holt had another good year or 2 in him, but WR is lower down on priorities. DE, OL and OLB need to come first.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

In Campbell vs Cutler, I just don't see a major upside to that deal -- for either side. Neither guy is demonstrably better than the other, so it'd need to be about something else. The Broncos lost their last 3 (or was it 4) in order to not make the playoffs, a collapse that actually exceeding the Skins.

Why the love for Cutler? I have no idea.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I posted this earlier, but both Rey, and Brian Cushing, were 2 down linebackers as stated by Mike Mayock, and Mike Lombardi last night on NFL Network. Not sure how that translates to the NFL.

A. Smith having a mediocre workout bodes well that he could very well be there at 13. Did they run a 3 cone drill or a shuttle drill during his workout?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

From NFL.com

Andre Smith, one of the top offensive tackle prospects in this year’s draft, said he was relying on Alabama’s pro day to make up for the disappearing act he put on at the combine. Well, the first returns aren’t overly impressive.

Smith’s best 40-yard dash time was 5.28 seconds, and he put up just 19 bench-press lifts at 225 pounds. His 40 time would not have been among the top 10 performers at his position in the combine, and his bench-press reps would have put him well behind the top 10.


Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 2:53 PM
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I don't know how much any of this really means!!
I really don't care how fast my tackle can run 40 yards down field, just how quickly he can get off the line and engage his defender.
The bench press is a very technique oriented excercise and at 19 reps, you are looking more at fatigue than strength as the culprit.
I just don't see how you can read too much into those stats unless you are comparing him to another tackle with a similar skill set and you are choosing between one or the other.

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

For me, shoring up the lines are the priority. We drafted three pass-catchers with our first three picks last year. We've made our play there. Holt would be a nice-to-have, but I'm holding out hope that our young guys make significant strides in the offseason.

Posted by: TBDog | March 11, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone actually think Campbell is better than Cutler?

Posted by: TBDog | March 11, 2009 2:32 PM

I think as of this date, they are same player. Cutler has the benefit of being in the same system since turning pro which I think really is key. Let's see how he fairs in a new system and with a new OC. If you look at the stats Cutlers QB rating has been decling every year, while JC has improved. Cutler has won 17 out of 37 games, JC has won 16 out of 20 games. The thing I heard from Mort regarding why the Broncos would consider trading Cuutler is what should concern you. Mort hinted that Cutler has a me first personality that has not gone over well in the locker room. Also, I think he's a little immature as he whined about the firing of Shannahan, and the fact that his QB coach is no longer on staff.

Posted by: TWISI | March 11, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I would still think A.Smith would be the guy to take if he is still there.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh I agree about that. Those stats about bench press and 40 don't mean much for OL. Just thought it would be an interesting post.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I would still think A.Smith would be the guy to take if he is still there.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I hear he is the best out of the top 3 OT. Isn't he the one who left the combine?

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 11, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Sports Guru you are correct... How do we go about getting Jay Cutler????

Posted by: MeatShalom | March 11, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

dkid, great post.

I don't know how many times during the course of the game a guy has to bench, I realize its a measure of strength, however, I'm not sure its entirely relevant. I want a linemen who is big, mean and nasty, gets his hands on you, and just stuns you and stops you in your tracks. ASmith plays with a mean streak, from what I've read, thats what I want....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I love the three cone drill.

1. Vannila with sugar cone

2. Cookies n cream on a waffle cone

3. Rasberry sherbert on chocolate dip cone

My record is 14:03. at the 8:34 mark I got a knee bending brain freeze headache, but I pushed through.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 11, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Those stats about bench press and 40 don't mean much for OL.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 3:09 PM

You need the tackles to be fast to get downfield ahead of your running back. Of course, our running backs are Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts, so maybe speed isn't important for us.

The bench press is a measure of how many times your tackle will be able to help the QB up after he gets sacked, so I do think we need to look at these numbers pretty carefully.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Haha,funny talent_evaluator. You may be right.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 11, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

In his most recent mailbag column, longtime Beast reader Peter King speculates that Boldin will end up with one of the two teams -- the Giants or Eagles. Here's what the King said moments after moving into his new place in the South End of Boston:

"The Eagles and Giants, two receiver-needy teams, are in position to deal for Anquan Boldin, who I continue to say will not be a Cardinal by July," writes the King. "Philly has 21, 28 and 53, the Giants 29, 45 and 60. I find it hard to believe the Eagles won't trade for Boldin. Very hard. He's a perfect fit, and they've got the cap room to sign him."


I would like Boldin to stay away from the NFC East if possible. Even though he didn't do much against us last year.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

can't wait for Dairy Queen to open up.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Sports_doodoo, you're an idiot and I can't wait to watch JC prove you wrong this year. You speak like he's been our starter for a decade. The dude's been a starter for less than two seasons worth of games, and only now does he actually get a chance to be in the same system two years in a row. I'm telling you, this guy is plenty good enough to get us back to the Super Bowl.
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Campbell has started 36 games, with 16 games a season.. he has started MORE not less than 2 seasons worth of football. He was in Al Saunders systems for 2 years.. 2006, 2007 so this is the second time he will be in same system.. You can't get your facts straight and call someone else an idiot? Also should anyone believe you now when you tell us that Campbell is plenty good enough??

Posted by: sovine08 | March 11, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

yod, I can't see Boldin getting traded, I really can't. If you're the cards, you control him at a VERY reasonable salary for the next 2 years. Unless Philly, or the NYG are willing to give you their first three picks this year, which I doubt they will, then AZ is VERY MUCH in the drivers seat on this one.

Philly has gotten raided this offseason, Thomas, Dawk, Runyan, Shepherd, Considine. I can't see them trading multiple picks for one guy.

With J-vill signing Thomas, thats one team probably not taking OL at #8.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"Philly has gotten raided this offseason, Thomas, Dawk, Runyan, Shepherd, Considine. I can't see them trading multiple picks for one guy."

I don't know if it'll happen either Bean, but I know that would satisfy McNabb...just a question if the Eagles want to relinquish picks to keep him happy.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 11, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

He was in Al Saunders systems for 2 years.. 2006, 2007 so this is the second time he will be in same system..

Posted by: sovine08 | March 11, 2009 3:21 PM

And his numbers have continually improved. Isn't that what you want?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 11, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

yod, just throwing this out there, but philly recently, spent a 1st round pick on a qb, who has sat on the bench for 2 years save for one game. I would not be at all shocked if they moved Mcnabb this offseason. Just throwing that out there..

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Doughty is a decent backup SS and special teams player. Good signing... This positions Horton, Landry, Doughty, and Moore as the safeties.

Posted by: siris | March 11, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Philly has a lot of holes that they need to fill. I can't see them trading any of those picks for a player who really doesn't fill any of those holes. Nice to have, yes. But not a need at this point.
The Giants do have a lot of D-linemen, but whether any of them are of interest to the Cards is hard to say. The picks they have are just not high enough on their own for a player like Boldin.

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins keep the 13th pick and select a RT, then there should still be a quality SLB on the board in the 3rd round. It's also plausible that they could pick a SLB in the 1st and an OL in the 3rd.

This draft will be very dynamic for the Skins. They have lots of options [read that needs] depending on who is available at #13 and if another is willing to trade up for a couple of picks.

I can see them picking a RT, SLB, DE, C/G, RG, or CB in the draft. Too bad they only have four picks. The Taylor trade and injures are biting them in the a$$ this year...

Posted by: siris | March 11, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Philly, trying to move McNabb? Who would start for them? Kevin Kolb? That would be awesome for everybody else in the East but damning to the Eagles.

#21 Philly takes OT/RB
#28 Philly takes OT/RB

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

matt they spend a 1st rounder on kolb 2 years ago, at some point in time, they need to find out what they have in him. I think that philly could probably get a late 1st, or a 2nd for DM.

At some point they've got to make the move to Kolb....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins keep the 13th pick and select a RT, then there should still be a quality SLB on the board in the 3rd round. It's also plausible that they could pick a SLB in the 1st and an OL in the 3rd.

This draft will be very dynamic for the Skins. They have lots of options [read that needs] depending on who is available at #13 and if another is willing to trade up for a couple of picks.

I can see them picking a RT, SLB, DE, C/G, RG, or CB in the draft. Too bad they only have four picks. The Taylor trade and injures are biting them in the a$$ this year...

Posted by: siris
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I don't see CB being a need area for them to pick one up early in the draft. Centers will start going off the board in the 2nd round.
I think you are looking at the best available player between the OT, DE, DT and LB spots at #13.

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 11, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Just wanted to chime in on a few things...

I've said for more than a little bit that:

sports_guru = TheTruth = Richard_Cranium

Just once I would like to see them all post within the span of 15 minutes.

Nah, scratch that s%*t, they need not to post at all IMO.

Hold on, what am I saying? "They" is not "Them" because "them" is "him", him being TheTruth... what an assbag.
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To be compared to any of those frontin' gangsters in the movie "Alpha Dog" ain't cool at all. Couldn't believe how "street" and "hood" that "society" is, what was that, Northern California?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 11, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I just don't know what's going on with Andre Smith. He was dominating during the season but it seems like he has gone from an o-line monster to a buffet beast. Do gift certificates to Golden Corral count against the cap? We could probably sign him for a year's worth of bacon wrapped sirloin fillets!

Posted by: will_ga | March 11, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Sports_doodoo, you're an idiot and I can't wait to watch JC prove you wrong this year. You speak like he's been our starter for a decade. The dude's been a starter for less than two seasons worth of games, and only now does he actually get a chance to be in the same system two years in a row. I'm telling you, this guy is plenty good enough to get us back to the Super Bowl.

Campbell can be an excellent quarterback when he has a good healthy O-Line. Just look at the first half of last season. It's the offensive line, stupid!

Now to the two bloggers' that I cut & pasted to you I say AMEN!!

Doo Doo Spew ....So worried about the cap ...dump a 38yo weak armed Collins & make Colt your #2

Collins had a nice ....what??? 4 games ....But that was after the replcemant line had played for a month with JC & had started to gell ....again it's the o line stupid & it's the same system for more than 15 minutes !!

Posted by: goodfella616 | March 11, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Be careful with a guy named Andre that plays the o-line. Do you remember tha last Andre we drafted from PSU. Andre Johnson was a huge bust!!!!!!

Posted by: joeboggs | March 11, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Bean,

You're right; they need to see what he can do and play him. But still, that will be a very good thing for the rest of us in the East.

dkidwell61,

Corner is position of need. Not immediate, impact need but for depth purposes, a late round pick. After Hall, Rogers and Smoot, what do you have? Tryon & Westbrook & that's it. Matteral Richardson, where dd you go? Oh yeah, the Texans.. maybe you'll be back with us considering the Texans are carrying seven other CBs right now.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Be careful with a guy named Andre that plays the o-line. Do you remember tha last Andre we drafted from PSU. Andre Johnson was a huge bust!!!!!!

Posted by: joeboggs | March 11, 2009 4:13 PM

Maybe the problem isn't "Andre" but PSU. Remember the last LB we drafted from PSU?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the problem isn't "Andre" but PSU. Remember the last LB we drafted from PSU?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse
Lavar. Collins had a decent career.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 11, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

CL, I'm not a Oher hater. I read the "The Blindside" (its an outstanding football book for those who haven't read it) and that informs my opinion of him. I just don't think he's "smart" enough to play at this level. He's received a ton of support from high school through Ole Miss. I can't imagine him grasping a pro playbook. Nobody in the NFL is going to have the time or inclination to use chairs and ketchup bottles to help him learn plays.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 11, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"Sports_Guru",

How can you sit and say how the 'Skins need an elite quarterback to win a Superbowl? Remember those three Superbowls the 'Skins won? How many of those quarterbacks are in the Hall of Fame?
....still thinking? None of them are which directly proves that if a team has a stellar run game and a tough offensive line that they can win a Superbowl.

For you to sit back and criticize Campbell, when he does his job he makes plays with his legs to get huge gains most of which were for first downs, is absurd.

You threw Colt Brennan's name out there? Are you kidding me? The guy has a few good PRESEASON games and you want to make him the starter/face of the franchise?

Personally I think you need to stop calling yourself a "Sports Guru" and start realizing Campbell isn't the problem and the 'Skins don't need him to be the solution.

The solution is simple. Build a team around him, including a tougher, younger offensive line; have some WR's step up, and amp up the defensive line to force more turnovers and get more pressure. Any QB would not win with this team the way it is now. Build the team first then you can watch your new favorite player Jason Campbell win a championship.

Posted by: taylor21forever | March 11, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

So that's where Dave Butz has been hiding all thses years? Who know he was an agent and for a Skin too?

Posted by: ENJOYA | March 11, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

The Sports_guru' initial post is correct. Jason Campbell is not a starting NFL quarterback. It's not that he doesn't have a strong arm, or throw an accurate ball. Campbell's problems are two-fold. First his delivery is awful. He hold the ball very low when he drops back requiring him to waste time raising the ball before he throws. He also rears WAY back with each toss like something out of a 1940s Knute Rockne movie. Those two things make his release very slow, and when the O-line is as old, slow and weak as the Redskins line has been the past couple of season that's a terrible mix. Campbell's second problem is potentially worse. It's either intellectual or psychological. Either he is incapable to reading defenses quickly enough and can't decide which receiver to get the ball to, or he lacks confidence in himself and his teammates and relies too heavily on his check-down receiver.

I know, I know, his completion percentage was high and he didn't throw a pick until well into the season. And the reason for that was because he so regularly went to his third or fourth option right way and got two, three, or four yards, often when the team needed nine, 12, or 16 for a first down.

Posted by: tkoho | March 12, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

It's amusing reading these posts from incompetent football fans for those of you who think Jason Campbell is the Redskins problem your clueless.

Campbell has had to adjust to three different schemes coaches etc who each had their own nuisances just as he gets comfortable with one a change was made. Going along with that there was and is no cohesion on the over rated and old offensive line that Danny/Vinny assembled and where Bugel plays a veteran whether he still has anything left skill wise. Then we , none of us know what the coaches allow Campbell to really do in a game. We cry for him to throw deep or in the middle but does anyone truly know if he is allowed or if he is allowed to improvise. On the receiving end there is no reliability other then Cooley and Moss and when they are double teamed no other receiver has stepped up since Gibbs was here round 2

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | March 12, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

You know half the people here think Campbell is the second coming of Sonny Jurgensen (if he just have a few more seconds to throw) and the other half think he's another Tony Banks.. mediocre. and will not get better than what he is now.. (I happen to think it's the later) The solution is simple.. have him COMPETE against the other QB's in training camp. Open up the job and let the best man win!! IF Campbell is as good as you say he should blow those other guys away. But at least we will know.. And there wil be no excuse he doesn't know the system cause Collins and Colt are in the same boat. And if the OL stinks it stinks for all of them.. Then when the season starts you at least can go with the guy who EARNED it.. not the guy it was given to.

Posted by: sovine08 | March 12, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Sorry this took so long, I was sick yesterday...

"The past few have been great too huh.
Brunell
Tony Banks
Jeff George
Danny Wuerfel
Shane Mathews
Patrick Ramsey.

Man, if Campbell was only as good as those guys. Stop your crying. Campbell may not be the best QB, but at least he has potential compared to the others on the list." Posted by: Redskins001 | March 11, 2009

Yes, let's look at those "horrible QBs", but in a fair light...their 1st year as a starter vs Mr. Campbell's.

Jason Campbell
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Best season as starter (career) 2008 8-8
315/506 62.3% 3,245yd 13TD 6 INT


Mark Brunell
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(w/ Jax-1st as starter) started 13 games, completed 201 out of 346 passes, for 2168 yards, with 15 touchdowns and 7 interceptions. He also rushed for 480 yards.

elected to the Pro Bowl three times, in 1997, 1998, and 2000 and awarded the Pro Bowl MVP in the 1997

The furthest he led the team was to the 1996 AFC Championship Game, which they lost to the New England Patriots. They returned again in 1999, but would lose to the Tennessee Titans.

Led "Skins to playoffs (10-6) and 1st round win in 2005
Edge: Brunell

Tony Banks
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1 season w/ 'Skins
5-5 (after 0-5 start), which lead to an 8-8 season under M. Schottenheimer.

Broken in Az Cards game @ Fed Ex Field.
Edge: Draw

Jeff George
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Too many cities each with a 1st season for comparison...lol
Edge: Campbell in longevity with one team, George in TD/Int/Yardage

Danny Wuerffel
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Edge Campbell

Shane Matthews
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Career stats
TD-INT 31-24
Yards 4,756
QB Rating 75.0

Edge: Draw

Patrick Ramsey
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Similar time on team, similar in and out of starter role, one full year

TD-INT 35-30
Passing yards 5,930
QB Rating 74.9

Edge: Draw

So after taking a gander at that picture, you want to extend for 2009 "franchise Qb" money a guy only equal to most (and INFERIOR to some) guys you've declared bums?

Are you Vinny's understudy?

Posted by: ThinkingMan | March 12, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

@ the BeatDontStop

"Campbell has had to adjust to three different schemes coaches etc who each had their own nuisances just as he gets comfortable with one a change was made."

So moving from Division IAA to the NFL and learning a new offense was easier for Joe Flacco, and before him Roethlisberger? That coordinator excuse is a joke. Nobody made the learning a new system excuse for Favre last season -- or Matt Ryan, or Chad Pennington.

I already acknowledged the O-line has been awful the past few season, and coupled with Campbell's many technical flaws and his inability to read defenses quickly enough, the result is a God-awful offense that can't make first downs. Even when teams were stacking the line to contain Portis, Campbell couldn't, or wouldn't, go down field.

And as for receivers, Collins had the same receivers Campbell did two years ago, and nobody is going to suggest that Collins is a better physical specimen than Campbell. So because Collins knew the system, the receivers caught the ball better? Ridiculous.

Posted by: tkoho | March 12, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"Adequate o-line? Check"
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/127468-washington-redskins-colt-brennan-is-the-future-jason-campbell-the-past


What planet is this dude on?

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 11, 2009 11:50 AM

The "Wong" Planet.

Posted by: RedCherokee | March 12, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

So that's where Dave Butz has been hiding all thses years? Who know he was an agent and for a Skin too?

Posted by: ENJOYA | March 11, 2009 5:30 PM

Yep, he was hiding behind his wife... lo and behold they had a son.. The agent.

Posted by: RedCherokee | March 12, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

tkoho

Thank you for saying the same thing about JC that I have been preaching. Nobody else has a problem adjusting to different offensive schemes ( Flacco, Pennington, Ryan, Rothisberger, etc. ) I wish people would stop making excuses for JC and just go by what is the measure of a quarterback, wins and losses. He does not measure up and will never measure up.

Posted by: rmcpks73 | March 12, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

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