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Doughty Will Not Get Tender Offer

Jason Reid reports:

The Redskins will not make a tender offer to safety Reed Doughty, a team source said, making him an unrestricted free agent.

Doughty began the 2008 season as the starting strong safety but played in only four games because of a nerve problem in his back that required surgery. The operation went well, sources said, and Doughty expects to play this season.

Although the Redskins have expressed some interest in bringing back Doughty, it appears Doughty, who has overcome many obstacles in his brief pro career, could be headed elsewhere. He has already reached heights few would have expected after the Redskins chose him with the 173rd overall selection in the 2006 draft.

Doughty quickly emerged as a key contributor on special teams and defense despite using a hearing aid in each ear. He had to lip-read and memorize hand signals used by the defensive line and linebackers as well as the secondary to overcome his hearing loss.

He also continued to perform well while coping with the chronic kidney failure of his young son, Micah, who was born nearly six weeks prematurely. Micah underwent a kidney transplant last year and has been doing well, Doughty said recently.

Doughty moved into the starting lineup in Week 11 of the 2007 season against Dallas in place of Pro Bowl safety Sean Taylor, who was sidelined because of a sprained knee. He remained with the first-team after Taylor was killed later that season.

Rookie safety Chris Horton moved ahead of Doughty on the depth chart early in the 2008 season, but Doughty continued to contribute, tutoring Horton on the nuances of playing strong safety. Doughty is well respected in the locker room and admired for how he maintained focus during adversity, several players said.

By Cindy Boren  |  February 23, 2009; 2:28 PM ET
 
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Comments

Good to hear his young son is doing well. Hopefully they will bring him back.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 23, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

what about leigh torrance?

Posted by: BMACattack | February 23, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Doughty is a guy you wonder how he makes it into the league to begin with. Given his injury this past year, he's got to prove himself all over again.

No matter what else, Doughty was the guy who became the 11th man ... one play after the 10 man defensive tribute to ST21.

Hope Doughty succeeds, wherever he goes.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Glad to hear his son is doing well, best of luck, but Horton and Moore make him expendable and not worth a tender or anything above a min. deal.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Doughty went down...Horton stepped up.

Doughty seems like the kind of guy who'll be a great coach somewhere one day when you read how he tutored Horton knowing the guy was taking his spot--such a move is the mark of character in the cuthroat world of the NFL.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I think the writing was on the wall when the team drafted Horton, and Moore. Best wishes to a class guy. I could easily see him back with the team however.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 23, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I actually thought that Mike Green would get the boot and Doughty would stay. Best of luck to the Doughty family.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 23, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Doughty was doodie

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | February 23, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Now if we can just get an update on Rock and Campbell we can have a day dedicated to the only people who talk to Jason at Redskins park.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | February 23, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

yeah, youre only late as hell with this report. Dan Hellie of NBC 4 here in DC reported this last thursday or friday on the evening news.

Posted by: X--E | February 23, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Let me be the first to say that all of this free agency and draft talk is moot because the redskins are destined for mediocrity as long as Dan Snyder and Vinny are running the team.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 23, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

good luck and god bless

Posted by: jonthefisherman | February 23, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

LMAO...

X-E is back.

Big shout outs to Doughty for those couple of games in '07 and his overall work ethic. Too bad his work ethic and god-given ability could never meet on common ground. I have nothing but respect for the guy and wish him the best in his situation.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 23, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

all of this free agency and draft talk is moot because the redskins are destined for mediocrity as long as Dan Snyder and Vinny are running the team.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 23, 2009 3:10 PM |

Spoiler! Now there's no point in watching the movie because you've already told me the ending. You're no fun.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

anyone know what how many times orakpo benched?? What about Raji's 40 time?

Anyone blowing up today at the combine?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 23, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Redneck, that's a pretty classless thing to say.

Reed Doughty is the epitome of overcoming adversity thru hard work and self-belief. We all know he's not the most physically gifted player, and his hearing impairment, dealing with a sick child and being put in the impossibly difficult situation of stepping in for a slain legend...well, I tip my hat to the guy and wish him nothing but the best and some well-deserved luck because God knows he ain't exactly been blessed with an overabundance of that. I hope he gets picked up if we don't bring him back.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 23, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

MAUALUGA MESSES UP HIS HAMSTRING
Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2009, 3:06 p.m.

USC linebacker Rey Maualuga was the latest draft prospect who tweaked a hamstring at this year’s Scouting Combine.

Maualuga pulled up with the injury after running the 40-yard dash. He told Scott Hanson of NFLN that it was an aggravation of an existing injury.
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So, another top pick with the characteristics of a True Redskin!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"But its not like if he (Campbell) isn't the guy we can't find QB in one offseason and contend as long as the core of the team is sound."

Posted by: zjfr2

That's possible, but not likely in my opinion. But even if that ends up being the case, we would still need the cap flexibility to sign the one-year fix at QB. I don't think we'll be as lucky as the Cardinals getting a resurgent Warner on the cheap.

"But cutting Springs, Griffen, and Taylor would give us the cap space to sign some young guys on both lines and mixed with some draft picks we could totally rebuild our trenches this year."

But this points exactly to my fears. This should ONLY happen if there truly are good, young, and relatively cheap talent on the market. I personally don't see it. If there were, I'd have no problem cutting those guys. But if there isn't, in no way would I be happy seeing us sign guys just for the sake of getting younger (and not better).

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I hope he gets picked up if we don't bring him back.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 23, 2009 3:31 PM

Wasn't he a Gregg Williams project? Maybe he can find a new home with Leigh Torrence. He's got to be headed somewhere.

Hard to believe the 'Skins didn't even tender him. Now, if he does sign somewhere else, they won't get any compensation for him from the other team.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"psps23,

I don't see much production out of Taylor - primarily b/c he is playing at LDE (not his natural position).

At this point in their careers (age, injuries, etc.) Evans is a much better run stopper and better fit at LDE than Taylor or Daniels. Vinny is making a short-term decision and hoping it pans out for one year by keeping Taylor.

Posted by: TW0437"

"Vinny is making a short-term decision and hoping it pans out for one year by keeping Taylor."

But my point was that this is a short-term AND a long-term decision, even if it isn't meant to be. Keeping Taylor ensures cap space for next offseason when some critical decisions will need to be made (like whether or not to re-sign Campbell or Rogers). That's a good thing for the future of this franchise, not a bad thing.

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Combine issues notwithstanding, what's the best list of FA guys not being signed or tendered contracts?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

te, what was rey's 40 time?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 23, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Hard to believe the 'Skins didn't even tender him. Now, if he does sign somewhere else, they won't get any compensation for him from the other team.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Maybe not from the other team, but they will get those lovely compensation draft picks, no?

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

LET THE WHOLE TEAM GO AND START OVER.

Posted by: tlj-dc | February 23, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Mr. TownGreg, but I don't follow the combine. I've taken a vow, you recall. But, just for you, I did look up some times on nfl.com, and he was not among the top ten LBs in the 40. Maybe why he got the hammie?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

so that i understand correctly, why WOULDNT we tender Doughty?

If theres a chance, even a slim one, that we could slap a tender on him and someone would give us some sort of compensation for him in a trade (even a condiditional 7th rounder), why not do it?

Posted by: bighairedaristocrat | February 23, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Maybe not from the other team, but they will get those lovely compensation draft picks, no?

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2009 3:42 PM

Maybe yes and maybe no. Does anyone really understand how that works? I think it's operated by a cageful of chimpanzees in Dayton, Ohio. Not much value in that system in losing a sixth rounder.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"If theres a chance, even a slim one, that we could slap a tender on him and someone would give us some sort of compensation for him in a trade (even a condiditional 7th rounder), why not do it?

Posted by: bighairedaristocrat"

It could be because the Redskins don't want him, and offering him the tender gives Doughty the opportunity to force the Redskins to sign him.

Doughty was also a draft pick, so we would get a compensation pick for him leaving via FA.

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

bighair, I think the concern is that he would sign the tender. My guess is that the RFA tenders are higher than what they might be able to sign him for as an unrestricted free agent.

I didn't read the posts on the previous thread, but I'm guessing I'm alone on thinking it would be a better idea to re-sign Evans (who has several years left and can stop the run) rather than Jason Taylor (who has maybe one year left and cannot) ... or at least that it would cost less to have Evans next season than it would to have Jason Taylor.

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Mr. TownGreg,

re: Rey's 40. Found this on nfl.com, a quote from Rey while he was in pain with the hammie:

“I didn’t want to come out here and use my hamstring as an excuse. Unfortunately, it’s been bothering me, but I felt I could go. I wasn’t pressured to do it. I thought I could go out and do the 40 and do it in a good time.”

The way I read this, yeah, he is using the hammie as an excuse. He didn't want to, but he had to. So, what does this say about his character? Dude has to be sinking faster than that 'Bama tackle dude.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing I'm alone on thinking it would be a better idea to re-sign Evans (who has several years left and can stop the run) rather than Jason Taylor

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2009 3:55 PM

Yeah, sween, first time we've heard this view today. Maybe you could explain it more clearly? Most of the conversation on the other thread had to do with how clever it was of Vinnie to play it the way he did. It would have been nice to have a real debate with you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Not much value in that system in losing a sixth rounder.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Well we were compensated a 7th rounder for letting Kenny Wright leave. I think Doughty's playing time and possible new contract (Wright's was less than $1 mill) should qualify him to be on the same level.

Of course, this would be canceled out if we were to sign some compensatory FA's of our own.

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"Most of the conversation on the other thread had to do with how clever it was of Vinnie to play it the way he did. It would have been nice to have a real debate with you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Oh, it had nothing to do with his cleverness. More like the broken clock that's right twice a day.

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

This was inevitable.

Best wishes to him........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Hello....is this thing on???

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 23, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Hello....is this thing on???

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 23, 2009 4:28 PM

We've all taken the pledge not to talk about the draft. Now, there's nothing to talk about. See you after the draft, Mr. TownGreg.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

you people are over looking whats really going on here. its only one of two things.

1) the skins have no interest in bringing doughty back.

2) doughty can be had for cheaper than what his tender offer would be(ie-what we did to ryan boschetti in the past). dont tender doughty, then sign him for a minimum contract which would be cheaper than his tender wouldve been...
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also, i never left, i just dont like associating with so many people of little intelligence

Posted by: X--E | February 23, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

sween and psps, thanks for the replies...

as far as Taylor and Evans go, id like to keep both of them and move Taylor to linebacker to replace washington. Evans could start at DE and on passing downs, we could slide Evans inside and Taylor could move up to DE.

Keeping both of them would also allow us to focus almost exclusively on OL with our first two picks in the draft this year and worry about our defense almost exclusively (ranked 4th last year) in the 2010 draft.

Posted by: bighairedaristocrat | February 23, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Taylor is going to have (for the Skins, anyway) a monster year. He's going to have a double digit sack total, and I'll be surprised if anyone else comes close.

I, for one, am happy the Skins are keeping an authentic pass rushing threat on the roster this year. A couple of his sacks will change games.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 23, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

But this points exactly to my fears. This should ONLY happen if there truly are good, young, and relatively cheap talent on the market. I personally don't see it. If there were, I'd have no problem cutting those guys. But if there isn't, in no way would I be happy seeing us sign guys just for the sake of getting younger (and not better).

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I guess here's where we differ. I think there is good young talent in certain places, any of the below in my opinion would be sound signings in no particular order:

Canty DE
Stacy Andrews OT (if he can pass a physical)
Elton Brown OG
Harvey Dahl OG
Tyson Clabo OG
Mike Goff OG
Jason Brown C
Tank Johnson DT
Chris Kemoeatu OG
Seth McKinney OG
Chris Naeole OG
Mark Tauscher OT
Shaun Cody DE
Javon Haye DT
Igor Olshansky DE/DT
Channing Crowder LB
Angelo Crowell LB
Jamie Winborn LB

Mixed with 3 picks along the lines and maybe a LB or a speed back if you sign LBs and you've gone a long long way to helping both lines with younger not ridiculous signings that you're going to get way more out of then Griffen, Taylor, and Springs.

And you get a chance to see if JC is for real or if he isn't. Cause lets say we keep Taylor, Griffen, and Springs and we resign Hall. We're down in FA then, so lets say a RT we want is there and we take. IF Samuels comes back healthy and IF the RT pans out you've got good tackles, no real option at LG, and rapidly declining/declined Thomas at RG and a forever overated decent but nothing special with a knack for huge penalties at center Rabach. A lot of the pressure JC dealt with came straight up the gut, and I don't care how great your tackles are they can't stop that and they will still occasionally get beat, defenses are just too fast and blitz the edges too well not to give up a sack here or there. So JC has another season of DT's right in his face every drop back which is why he loves the shotgun so much at least then he gets a chance to look downfield before running for his life. He has a bad to mediocre year, we let him walk, and he goes to a team with a decent interior line and he plays like he did for us the first 6 games of the year.


Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

South Carolina OT Jamon Meredith
While he appeared to have wiry legs compared to the other behemoths working out, Meredith turned out to be stronger, and far more athletic, than any of the tackle prospects. The 6-5, 304-pounder ripped off 31 reps on the bench, ran a fantastic 5.04 in the 40, and moved well in every drill. He looked like a natural.

Posted by: shanteefamilee | February 23, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Obviously I didn't mean signing all of them, but if you cut Taylor, Springs, and Griffen

A group of Canty (IMHO all the Dline needs, play end on 1st and 2nd and slide inside on 3rd, Alexander, Gholston, and Monte are good enough for now), or Olshansky, two guards, a center, and a LB would be very doable with the nearly $18 million in cap space those 3 cuts would clear for you. I'm saying 5 signings. Then you can still take your RT at 13, you can get best available OL or DT in the 3rd go with a speed back in the 5th and best DE or LB in the 6th. And we're a lot better off than one more year out of Griffen, Taylor, and Springs.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

From John Clayton:

Take the cornerback position. With Nnamdi Asomugha, Kelvin Hayden and Dunta Robinson franchised or signed last week, the top free-agent cornerbacks are Ron Bartell, Bryant McFadden and DeAngelo Hall. Their teams would like to keep them, but the market has increased, and each of these players could get up to $8 million a season to leave. Those figures have stalled re-signing talks.


Looks like old Vinny was real bright in waiting until the combine to meet with Hall's agent and try to resign him. I didn't get it at the time and still don't, if it was a priority like they said, why not negotiate and lock him up quickly while there were a lot of potential great CBs hitting the market. I know Vinny doesn't know football, but I thought at least the Danny got supply and demand, you get things cheaper when there are a lot of other options, when those options go away things become more expensive, if you want to keep the guy waiting until the last minute giving every other team a chance to resign their guys making your guy that much more valuable was a really great decision by our FO brain trust. But I shouldn't criticize, I'm sure Vinny had a new Johny Rockets to work the drive through in, or a radio show to prep for.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I thought at least the Danny got supply and demand

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2009 5:25 PM

Supply AND demand, Jack. Yeah, the supply is down, but so is the demand. Each team who locked up a corner is a team who is no longer bidding for a corner.

Anyway, negotiations can only take place when both parties are ready to negotiate. If there's an advantage to waiting longer (which I think is questionable) then the agent will wait until later. Management can't force a free agent to take an offer before the agent is ready.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

except that the story was that nobody had heard anything from Skins management at all and Hall's agent reported that he had heard from them. You think if the Skins wanted to talk they'd say no, lets wait for the combine we don't want to hear what you have to say? After Hall openly stated he wanted a long term deal in Washington. Come TE, your brighter than this. And 4 corners resigning doesn't negate the other teams needing elite corners, it just makes Hall one of the best or the best available.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

He certainly wasn't the most physically gifted athlete but he had heart, character, class and was a fighter, traits that with each passing season are becoming more scarce in this league and other pro sports. I too thought Mike Green would be the odd man out as far as safeties go but oh well it is what it is. God Bless and good luck to Doughty, his young son, and the rest of his family. For some pathetic jerk (RedskinRedneck ?, or whatever) to say Doughty was "doodie" is the epitome of immaturity and obviously has about as much class and compassion as a hyena, but in these days and times, what else is new?

Posted by: 72Redskins | February 23, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Hall's agent reported that he had heard from them.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

sorry, that was Hall's agent hadn't heard from them......

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

+++Vinny was on DOC's show last week and when asked about JT coming back gave no anwser.

Posted by: Flounder21+++


What?? Vinny didn't give an answer? Alert the Media!!! Um seriously, Flounds, Vinny NEVER gives an answer...

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

+++... i just dont like associating with so many people of little intelligence

Posted by: X--E +++

Must be a bi!ch waking up each morning and finding yourself in the same skin.

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Hall's agent hadn't heard from them......

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2009 5:58 PM

Jack,

This doesn't jibe with what we heard up here on RI, just a few post back:

Redskins Continue Pursuit of DeAngelo Hall

Jason Reid files this report:

The Redskins met with the agent for cornerback DeAngelo Hall, Joel Segal, Friday during the combine at Indianapolis and were expected to continue talking throughout the week, a league source said. A deal was not imminent after the initial meeting, but the Redskins remain interested.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

++++I, for one, am happy the Skins are keeping an authentic pass rushing threat on the roster this year. A couple of his sacks will change games.

Posted by: Alan4 ++++


Ooops, sorry, X--E, I take it back, and now undersand where you are coming from.

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins met with the agent for cornerback DeAngelo Hall, Joel Segal, Friday during the combine at Indianapolis and were expected to continue talking throughout the week, a league source said. A deal was not imminent after the initial meeting, but the Redskins remain interested.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

TE, my entire point was that they hadn't talked to him prior to the Combine. And the reports I was talking about was from early last week when they said on here that Hall's agent and all the other FAs to be hadn't hear a word from managament and that Zorn didn't tell them their status either. I know they have been meeting at the Combine, my point was they should have been meeting earlier, so as to avoid the situation we're in now where Hall is now a premier option at his position and he would be silly to not test the market now.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I hear all the name calling of Snyder and Cerrato, but ya'll still haven't told me a reason why you don't bring Taylor back. You gave up two picks for him and pay him 8 million. He was hurt. Smart to keep him...it would even be smarter to sign Evans.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 23, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

i keep reading everywhere that Haynesworth will be coming to Washington....
This is just one article....

"There's no long line waiting to pry Albert Haynesworth from the Titans.

In fact, Washington might be the logical landing spot. Hmmmm. I wonder why Redskins owner Dan Snyder was having dinner with the agent for Haynesworth, Chad Speck, at Morton's here Saturday night. I'm sure they were just talking about how it was colder here than at the Arctic Circle. But I kept asking all weekend: "Who wants Haynesworth -- or, more appropriately, who's going to pony up for him?'' And I got the old "it only takes one'' answer a few times. But one coach told me the smartest thing, and this was a coach who has some interest in getting Haynesworth at the right price, which is about half of what Haynesworth is hoping to get. "Everybody I've asked this weekend says, 'We're out of that,' or 'I don't think you'll see us involved in Haynesworth.' ''

Sad, really, because he's a great football player, an impactful player who can change a game from the interior defensive line spot. The downer stuff about Haynesworth:

• He's never played a full season. He's started three, 11, 10, 14, 10, 12 and 14 in his seven seasons.

• He's never played more than 65 percent of the Titans' defensive snaps in a season. You might say a Nnamdi Asomugha is tremendously overpaid at $15-million a year (much more on him later in the column), but Asomugha or a quarterback is going to play 95 percent of his unit's plays in the course of a year, barring injury. Even if healthy, Haynesworth's going to come off the field a third of the time, minimum. So do you want to pay quarterback money to a player who never touches the ball and plays two-thirds of the snaps a franchise quarterback plays? It makes no sense.

• He's got a reputation for coasting on some plays.

• He'll be 28 on opening day. You want to pay a 335-pound guy who's never started more than 14 games and is entering his eighth year $13 million or $15 million a year? Good luck.

In the end, my guess is Snyder will pay up and grab him. He's the kind of trophy player Snyder would love to have, and the kind of player, if healthy, who will really help the Redskins close the gap on the Giants in the NFC East."

Posted by: leevi98 | February 23, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I hear all the name calling of Snyder and Cerrato, but ya'll still haven't told me a reason why you don't bring Taylor back. You gave up two picks for him and pay him 8 million. He was hurt. Smart to keep him...it would even be smarter to sign Evans.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 23, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

That is because all people do on this blog is complain about everything the Redskins do, think, say...most on here think they know more than people who have spent there whole lives living and breathing football.....They read articles or see espn stories on tv and spew it out at us.....they think they know more...So I have always asked the hurd on here...why are they not involved as a coach, gm or director of some football team? There is a reason for that....they really don't know anything... :)

Posted by: leevi98 | February 23, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

So I have always asked the hurd on here...why are they not involved as a coach, gm or director of some football team? There is a reason for that....they really don't know anything... :)

Posted by: leevi98 | February 23, 2009 6:53 PM

Well, what's that got to do with it? You can look at Vinnie to see how far you can go when you really don't know anything. It's not what you know but who you know, and if I knew Dan Snyder then I'd be the GM.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

if I knew Dan Snyder then I'd be the GM.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2009 6:56 PM

And, I almost know him. I was out walking my dog one night when he and the Mrs. were getting out of a limousine, dressed to the nines, to go into a big party at the French Ambassador's residence.

I said, "Hello, Mr. Snyder."

He was very polite, nodded, and smiled. The Mrs. seemed to give me a little wink, although it was dark and I can't be 100% certain. She smelled good.

I tried to introduce myself, but the dog squatted for a #2, and before I could catch up with them to deliver my pitch they were inside the gate.

That's how close I was to being GM -- one dog dump away.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I am a lifelong Redskins fan and a long time blogger. I am not a GM but aside from laying the blame solely at the feet of Snyder and Cerrato...here's my assessment...

1) We all agree that Snyder made a lot of impulsive mistakes during his early tenure as owner.

2) Gibbs comes in and provides "stabiilty", but in my opinion, amasses mediocre and aging talent particularly on offense.

3) For three years, we overcommitted to older players (Brunell, Jansen) at the expense of youth, hence throwing away draft picks (Duckett) and part of the future of our team.

4) Vinnie has a draft class of 10. We get a keeper in Horton, a bust in Brooks and the jury is still out on others. Any football head knows you can't judge a draft class in it's first year.

5) Ok...here comes Jim Zorn. He obviously had to scale back his offense due to personnel. He has early success, because he figures out he has a healthy Portis in the first half of the season. Portis wears down...O-Line wears down...no playoffs.

6) This offense has stunk for years...my take...mediocre talent...no one the defense can fear (after Moss, and you can go 8 in the box on Portis) and an old offensive philosophy that you can pound a 5'9" 200 pound back between the tackles 30 times a game for 16 games

SOLUTIONS
1) Jason Campbell has to make a huge leap forward this year. This is HIS team!

2) Young players have to play on offense. Reinhart, Davis, Thomas, and Kelly must play. No more, "they have to earn it". PLAY THE DAMN PLAYERS

3) Draft a DE, ILB, RT, G...

4) Find a "Darren Sproles" type on waivers or give Betts the chance to be that guy.

5) Sign Hall. I think this guy is real good and he's young.

All in all I think the FO have made some major mistakes. Gibbs deserves a ton of credit, but he seems to get a pass when he was the President of the team.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 23, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

++++Ooops, sorry, X--E, I take it back, and now undersand where you are coming from.

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse ++++

my nizzle...

Posted by: X--E | February 23, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Ricky,

I agree with most of your 7:14 post.

The reason you don't bring Taylor back is, because he is not going to be a great pass rusher in this system.

He was getting blocked one on one by TE's last year, the injury thing will just keep coming back that is what happens to older players.

The money you are going to waste on him could be used for other players.

He is gone after this year anyway so why bring him back for one year, this team has no chance to make the SB so it makes no sense to bring him back.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 23, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Re Deangelo Hall. He was quoted as saying he learned from his time in Oakland that things shouldn't always be about money. So if he walks to the highest bidder let him. He played alright for his half season with the Skins but its not like he is the 2nd coming of Darrell Green.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 23, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 23, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

leevi98: "• He's never played a full season. He's started three, 11, 10, 14, 10, 12 and 14 in his seven seasons.
• He's never played more than 65 percent of the Titans' defensive snaps in a season...
• He's got a reputation for coasting on some plays.
• He'll be 28 on opening day. You want to pay a 335-pound guy who's never started more than 14 games and is entering his eighth year $13 million or $15 million a year?"

Yeah, you said it. A scary situation. Feels like if you sign the guy, you're tempting fate. He's sent out all these warning signals, and somehow people are failing to pay attention.

On the other hand, he could be great.

It's like the guy who bets on long shots at the track because he's thinking about the size of the potential payoff...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 23, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

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