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Posted at 11:53 AM ET, 02/27/2011

Von Miller could fill key need for Redskins -- if he's still available

By Mike Jones

INDIANAPOLIS -- When asked where a pass-rusher ranked among his team's list of areas to address this offseason, Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan said, "I think it ranks right at the top. Obviously, when you have any consistent defense, using the 3-4, you've got to have two great outside pass-rushers."

Shanahan went on to list "a great nose tackle and a great safety" as other must-haves for a 3-4 defense, but they likely can find a nose tackle later in the draft, and they remain interested in signing free agent free safety O.J. Atogwe.

Texas A&M's Von Miller is the top outside linebacker prospect in the draft, and if he still is on the board when the Redskins pick at tenth overall - which could be a big "if," as some mock drafts have him going as high as fifth - it is believed that Washington would snatch him up and pair him with Brian Orakpo.

Miller is explosive off the line, boasts great athleticism -- which makes him hard to defend -- and delivers a hard hit. In the last two seasons he recorded 28 sacks for the Aggies while splitting time between linebacker and end. He stood up for most downs, and usually put his hand on the ground for passing situations. He'll make a full-time move to linebacker in the NFL, however, and scouts and draft gurus say he is best suited for the 3-4.

At 6-2½, 246 pounds, Miller is smaller than a most 3-4 outside linebackers. For example, Orakpo is 6-4, 255-pounds. Clay Matthews: 6-3, 255. DeMarcus Ware: 6-4, 262. Terrell Suggs: 6-3, 260. But Miller is likely to bulk up a little more. When his college season ended, he weighed 237 pounds. While training in preparation for the draft, he has added nine pounds.

"Honestly, I didn't even know I put on that weight," Miller said. "I was just working hard just trying to maximize days, finish all my reps and eating all my food. I was just trying to work out at the best of my ability. I hadn't weighed myself for about a week and half. I stepped on the scale and it said 246. I was like, 'whoa.' I just want to be the best football player I can be. I just want to get bigger, stronger, faster. And I guess I'm really bigger."

Miller said that while he doesn't try to design his game after any particular NFL player, he observes all of the top outside linebackers in the league and tries to apply the traits that have helped them become successful.

"I like the way Clay Matthews plays. I like all those guys, DeMarcus Ware," Miller said. "I just try to be the best player I can be. I really can't be any of those great players, but Clay Matthews, his fanatical effort to the ball and all of that stuff. I try to accumulate that into my game. I can never ever play like Clay Matthews, but the way he attacks the ball, his relentless effort to the football, I can do that, though."

By Mike Jones  | February 27, 2011; 11:53 AM ET
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GET MILLER!! IF HE "WANTS TO PLAY" LIKE CLAY MATTHEWS!! GET HIM NOW!!! LOVE CLAY!!!

Posted by: rayrayjay17 | February 27, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

So the St Paul paper lists McNabb as front-runner at QB for the Vikes next season, based on a low ask price. The Vikes have multiple needs and are already missing their 3rd rounder, so they don't want to give up top draft choices for the likes of Kevin Kolb.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Done, in a heart-beat man. And get ATOGWE's attention again. Ink him up. Re-up ROGERS if you have to, although ASOMUGHA is my choice. Go O-line in the second, NT in the fifth. QB in the fifth, DE in the sixth, WR in the seventh and CB last.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Julio jones is crushing the combine.

If miller is gone at 10 n we cant teade back jones maybe thw pick.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 27, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Damm desperation moves at QB. Now we have no third or fourth when we must rebuild. And no fourth next season. Athough that's not DONOVAN's fault or because he's here. That's the JAAMAL BROWN deal.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 27, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

We have 2 fourths next year and no thanks on nnamndi I don't see him signing for less than the 10mil per that denver gave champ

Posted by: hcicron | February 27, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

GET MILLER!! IF HE "WANTS TO PLAY" LIKE CLAY MATTHEWS!! GET HIM NOW!!! LOVE CLAY!!!

Posted by: rayrayjay17 | February 27, 2011 12:12 PM

Actually Von said.."I can never ever play like Clay Matthews"

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Honestly trading a 3rd for JB and a 5th and getting carricker just by swapping places in the 5th are 2 very good trades that are lost in the mcnabb mistake

Posted by: hcicron | February 27, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about the rest of you, but I think this year's draft will be very revealing into whether Shanahan and Allen know what they're doing. If my memory serves me right they got next to nothing out of last year's draft, and cut more than they kept. I have no confidence in them to make a good choice anywhere but round #1.....yet. Or should I just be used to that by now?

Posted by: wkrdove | February 27, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

MILLER won't be available @ #10.

And I'll guarantee you, the 'skins will NOT take a QB there either...

FROM NFL DRAFTDOG Redskins Column:

EXCERPT:

"REASON # 1 The two guys considered worth drafting at #10 or higher will be gone by the time the Redskins draft....

"REASON # 4 Come to think of it, there may not be a new season. Plus, a top-notch rookie QB may be much cheaper next year."

MY FOUR IRONCLAD REASONS: http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | February 27, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Miller will be long gone by 10.. I am still highly pissed by the missing pix in rds 3 and 4! Not to mention donating a 2 last year to a crooked charity! I know it's old news but I continue to grapple with it.

That's precisely why we need more and BETTER scouts, and shut Shanahan's backwater opinions down!

Posted by: iubiquity | February 27, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"Julio jones is crushing the combine.
If miller is gone at 10 n we cant teade back jones maybe thw pick."

I wonder if Jones hasn't made himself a top ten pick, along with AJ Green. Nick Saban players have a rep for being NFL-ready. Just as a bunch of the first ten clubs need QBs, they need big WRs to go with.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

That's precisely why we need more and BETTER scouts, and shut Shanahan's backwater opinions down!

Posted by: iubiquity | February 27, 2011 2:17 PM

That's a new idea. More scouts? How many do we have now, and how many do you think we need? What team has the most scouts? Do we have the fewest?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 27, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs once said that if you were lucky enough to have a real early pick, spend it on somebody who can score points or rush the passer. That didn't always work out for Joe, of course, but a lot of teams still think that way.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I see the QBs mostly ran 40's in the 4.52-4.63 range, with Ty Taylor breaking into the 4.4s. Cam finished a hair under 4.6, Gabbert at 4.63. I'm not sure why they bother to run a straight-ahead 40 yd dash -- how often does a QB get the chance to do that in a game? Reports are that Locker impressed with his accuracy on the move (no surprise) and didn't embarrass himself otherwise. Newton supposedly overthrew some folks deep and also put a little too much air under his medium and short stuff. Kaepernick showed good speed, too. One commentator said the throwing star was Mallett going deep -- also no surprise, he's one of the better deep throwers we've seen in several years. Lot of touch on the ball downfield, like Roethlisberger.

I mean, what did we learn? Not much that we didn't already know. That whole Combine setup is designed to annoy the competitors -- maybe that's the point.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

if you were lucky enough to have a real early pick....

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 2:24 PM |

That's a strange way of putting it. The early picks go to the teams with the worst record. Maybe it's "if you were unlucky enough to have a really early pick..."

Posted by: beep-beep | February 27, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

All these top QBs are turning in 40 times that seem way better than we saw ten years ago -- those practice camps, no doubt. Whatever test you come up with, guys will figure out how to game it. Just too much $$ involved to take risks.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Agree with Joe, Samson151. Rack zee points or attack zee enemy brainiac nerve center known as zee quarterback..

Damm desperation moves at QB. Now we have no third or fourth when we must rebuild. And no fourth next season. Athough that's not DONOVAN's fault or because he's here. That's the JAAMAL BROWN deal.

Posted by: glawrence007

2012 4th for JC, I believe..How the Jamaal Brown and McNabb deal got so intertwined baffles me..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

" The early picks go to the teams with the worst record. Maybe it's "if you were unlucky enough to have a really early pick..."Posted by: beep-beep"

I think he mentioned it during a year when the Skins had a winning season and yet had high picks anyway via trade -- wasn't there a year they had both the 2nd and 3rd picks, and one where they picked fourth or fifth after going to the Super Bowl?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Russ Grimm was drafted in the 3rd, Joe Jacoby was an undrafted free agent..Aaah, to have a stud GM like Bobby Beathard calling the shots..The fact that it's going to take 2-3 years minimum to recover from the Snyderrato Debacle really steams my dome..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Von Miller could fill key need for Redskins -- if he's still available

I understand the happy talk.

But folks, we already got a dominate OLB--B Orakpo--but lack a dominate defensive lineman.

I'd take a dominate interior defensive lineman even if Von Miller is there.

You see, thing is, if interior lineman occupy blockers, they make ordinary linebackers look great.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 27, 2011 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Nice little write up..

Day 4: Notes from Combine QB & WR Drills (Group 2) by Kevin Ewoldt

I just got back from watching the second group of drills. Big name include:

QBs: Cam Newton, Ricky Stanzi, Chris Ponder, TJ Yates, Tyrod Taylor, Jeff Van Camp, Tyrod Taylor, and Josh Portis (Clinton's cousin)
WRs:Torrey Smith, Titus Young, Jeff Maehl, Austin Pettis, Cecil Shorts, Terrance Tolliver, Jimmy Young, Joe Morgan, Ryan Whalen

Compared to Group 1, these guys were much less polished. Cam Newton threw some passes where you can hear the entire stadium gasp...and I mean that in a bad way.

•Ponder was erratic in some throws but overall looked good. He was probably the best in this group. Portis did well too.
•On the 4 route (10-yard pass), out of Newton's 3 throws, Cam had 2 overthrown in a big way. Stanzi was horrible as well.
•On the 9 route, both Cam Newton and Stanzi overthrew all 3 of their passes.
•Some of the WRs were falling down on routes. One reporter made the comment, "Have any of these guys run an out route before?"
•On Cam's inaccuracy, one scout said: "It's the same thing I see on film. He opens up his shoulders."
•Torrey Smith dominated in the WRs. There's a legit buzz going on for him.
•Tyrod Taylor did not have an impressive showing. (sorry Tech fans)
•AJ Green told one reporter that Patrick Peterson was the best CB he's ever faced. (And he's gone against some good ones)
Here's my notes on the 8 route (40+ yard pass), which is the most difficult pass for both the QB and WR in all these drills. You just don't see this route run much in college, plus they're throwing to WRs they haven't worked with. By "Accurate," I mean he hit the receiver in perfect stride.

Cam Newton: Accurate, Overthrown, Good (but a little short)
Ponder: Accurate, Accurate, Little short but WR took a bad angle
Portis: Underthrown, Accurate, Underthrown
Stanzi: Underthrown, Overthrown, Overthrown
Tyrod Taylor: Overthrown (off finger tips), Underthrown, Overthrown
Scott Tolzien: Underthrown, Accurate, Accurate
Van Camp: Overthrown, Accurate, Accurate

Cam Newton and Josh Portis both did a 10'6" broad jump. That's high enough them to put them in the top all time for QBs in this stats. All the other QBs are guys with broad jumps in that range have stunk it up in the NFL (for what it's worth).

Official 40 times: Taylor 4.51 Kaepernick 4.53 Locker 4.59 Newton 4.59 Gabbert 4.62 Portis 4.62 Ponder 4.65 Dalton 4.87

Terp Da'Rel Scott ran a blazing 4.35 40.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

".Aaah, to have a stud GM like Bobby Beathard calling the shots."

Bobby did a lot of weird stuff, too. Trading away all those #1's, spending high picks on people like Brian Davis -- Beathard was your basic riverboat gambler. At the time it was widely believed around DC that Gibbs made up for Bob's mistakes... unfair, of course, but Beathard had a little Jim Zorn free-spirit in him.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Julio Jones is looking real good as well as Kapernick.... Its kinda tough to say who we should pick because we have so many needs... this is real interesting...

AEA...

Posted by: lmof97 | February 27, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

samson151

All these top QBs are turning in 40 times that seem way better than we saw ten years ago -- those practice camps, no doubt.


A camp won't make everyone run 4.45 forty, trust me.

These kids were recruited 4 years ago because they were athletes 1st, quarterbacks second.

Used be athletes were turned in wide outs, safeties, and corners.

Now, the 'read option' out of the spread makes them dangerous run threats.

Colleges know that a scrambling quarterback can do as much damage--even more--than the 7 step drop back statue read the field type traditionalists crave.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 27, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Take Gabbert or Locker at #10 and Bruce Carter OLB at #41.

Posted by: skinsdiehard | February 27, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"That's a new idea. More scouts? How many do we have now, and how many do you think we need?"

Personally I think we need one scout for every player in the country. Two for QBs. As you can see, I'm not budget-conscious.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs once said that if you were lucky enough to have a real early pick, spend it on somebody who can score points or rush the passer. That didn't always work out for Joe, of course, but a lot of teams still think that way.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse


Odd that every top 10 pick he had in his 2nd go round was spent on DB's.

Also when Beathard was our GM, colleges for the most part ran a system that was more like the NFL's. Now a days its harder to find a good OL college player because none of the big name schools seem to want to teach run blocking.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 27, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

How the Jamaal Brown and McNabb deal got so intertwined baffles me..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 2:36 PM

frak--

We traded a conditional pick to Philly this year for McNabb. Philly would get either the 3rd or the 4th. So, we had to let NO take whichever one Philly didn't get -- either the 4th or the 3rd. 'Skins also get a conditional from NO -- I think their 5th if they get our 3rd and their 6th if they get our fourth.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 27, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Supposedly Chan Gailey characterized Newton as 'a wildcat QB'. Same thing was said about Tebow last year.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

That's a new idea. More scouts? How many do we have now, and how many do you think we need? What team has the most scouts? Do we have the fewest?

Posted by: beep-beep

I'm not privy to any of that info. What I do know is the new regime left the old scouting dept intact. These are the same scouts hired by Vinny the ninny Cerrato..need I say more?

I believe they produced like..3 starters in the last 4 drafts! I don't remember many late rd pix contributing anything noteworthy.. even Horton seems like to fluke.

Posted by: iubiquity | February 27, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Da'Rel would kill as a Redskin..Will he be available at #42??

No, Samson151, I think it's widely acknowledged that Beathard and Gibbs worked well together, thats how a champion F.O. SHOULD work, which I hope happens with Allen and Shanahan..And Gibbs 2.0 wasn't that great at GM..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, beep-beep, but it still seems too twisted..Jamaal seems healed, so I guess the trade might just work out..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"That's a new idea. More scouts? How many do we have now, and how many do you think we need?"

Personally I think we need one scout for every player in the country. Two for QBs. As you can see, I'm not budget-conscious.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Seems a bit much too me. Though I wouldn't mind having players scouted by several different scouts. I added up how many different scouting positions I would have and come up with up to 38 scout positions I would "want" for a front office, not counting executives and what have you.

I would have two scouts for every major and mid major conference. Five others for lower level colleges. Position level scouts, like one guy who's job is to just look at tape QB's. And I would have one guy whos job is to look at minor leagues for the next Armstrong.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 27, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan has done better than most think with his personnel moves since his tenure.

The Good
-Ryan Torain
-Brandon Banks
-Keiland Williams
-Trent Williams
-Anthony Armstrong
-Laron Landry at SS

The Bad
-Maake Kemoeatua
-Joey "pops" Galloway
-Larry Johnson
-Willie Parker
-Roydel Williams
-Donovan McNabb (big one)

The Ugly
-Failure to get a 4th when (if) offered for Haynesworth

The Jury's still out
-Perry Riley (contributed well at the end)
-Darrel Young (shows promise)


Analysis:
Shanahan, like other coaches, make personnel mistakes. The reason why I think, without question, that Shanahan and Allen are better personnel people is that Cerrato gave up picks and BIG money for inferior talent.

Shanahan needs more time. Most of these guys are depth players we have now. Noe we need startes.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 27, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, beep-beep, but it still seems too twisted..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 3:26 PM |

I'd say to get used to it. Allen's done a bunch of these convoluted deals -- like the one for Carricker for an exchange of picks or the one for Campbell with a pick -- when? the year Campbell leaves the league?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 27, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know Billy Kilmer's 40 time?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 27, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

If you do look at the web, you will see the skins scouting department has slowly started to turn over since Bruce got in.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 27, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I find it so funny how fans determine what position the Skins should draft without knowing how the draft is going to go. How about we let the draft happen and draft accordingly.

Posted by: clwalker1906 | February 27, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Atogwe might still be a Redskin- I don't see anybody else signing new free agents because of the threatened lockout..Hey, here's $10 million, enjoy yorself in the Caribbean this year..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

How about we let the draft happen and draft accordingly.

Posted by: clwalker1906 | February 27, 2011 3:36 PM

You convinced me. Now there are two of us up here who believe this. And, that's how many will still believe it after the draft is over.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 27, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

++++++++MILLER won't be available @ #10.

And I'll guarantee you, the 'skins will NOT take a QB there either...

FROM NFL DRAFTDOG Redskins Column:

EXCERPT:

"REASON # 1 The two guys considered worth drafting at #10 or higher will be gone by the time the Redskins draft....

"REASON # 4 Come to think of it, there may not be a new season. Plus, a top-notch rookie QB may be much cheaper next year."

MY FOUR IRONCLAD REASONS: http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | February 27, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse++++++++++

Now I KNOW that Miller will be available at 10 AND the Skins will draft a QB.

The Cork is no more reliable than the local weatherdips predicting snow.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | February 27, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Agreed beep beep!

Posted by: clwalker1906 | February 27, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Count me in clwalker1906. Who knows how the draft will unfold. The one big mistake could be drafting out of "need" instead of the proverbial best player available.

Posted by: heatseeker690069 | February 27, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Stephen Paea DT 6'1 303 an impressive 49 reps of 225.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

The one big mistake could be drafting out of "need" instead of the proverbial best player available.

Posted by: heatseeker690069 | February 27, 2011 4:06 PM

This was the Vinnie Cerrato approach to the draft when he took three receivers in the second round. "One of them is bound to work out."

The good(?) thing about narrowing in on a position is that you only have to scout one group of players. "Hey, we're going DL in this year's draft, so don't tell me about WRs, QBs, DBs. Just rank all the DL's and I'll keep picking off that list."

Posted by: beep-beep | February 27, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone know Billy Kilmer's 40 time?
Posted by: rickyroge"

I don't think he finished...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"No, Samson151, I think it's widely acknowledged that Beathard and Gibbs worked well together, thats how a champion F.O. SHOULD work, which I hope happens with Allen and Shanahan.. posted by frak"

You don't think Gibbs basically helped to force Bobby out?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know Billy Kilmer's 40 time?

Posted by: rickyroge

Are we talking on the field or heading to the bar?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

You don't think Gibbs basically helped to force Bobby out?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 4:27 PM

I bet that Gibbs had a lot more respect for Beatherd after he'd worked a while with Cerrato.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 27, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"No, Samson151, I think it's widely acknowledged that Beathard and Gibbs worked well together, thats how a champion F.O. SHOULD work, which I hope happens with Allen and Shanahan.. posted by frak"

You don't think Gibbs basically helped to force Bobby out?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 4:27 PM

funny, because you are both make a fair point.

Clearly Gibbs and Beathard succeeded together. But it doesn't mean they succeeded by playing nice with each other.

Intel has a business philosophy called constructive confrontation. The key elements are:

-You fight for what you think is best
-Its never personal
-When the decision is made, you are on board whether it was your position or not

More or less, I think this is how Gibbs and Beathard worked. A lot of disagreement, but when something was done, they both moved on to the next thing. The conflicts/arguments probably resulted in better decisions overall -- their conflicts were constructive.

Though after a decade or so, I think it wore on both of them.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Intel has a business philosophy called constructive confrontation. The key elements are:

-You fight for what you think is best
-Its never personal
-When the decision is made, you are on board whether it was your position or not

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2011 4:39 PM

This is a reasonable philosophy. I bet that parts 2 and 3 fail as often as they succeed.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 27, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Intel has a business philosophy called constructive confrontation. The key elements are:

-You fight for what you think is best
-Its never personal
-When the decision is made, you are on board whether it was your position or not

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2011 4:39 PM

This is a reasonable philosophy. I bet that parts 2 and 3 fail as often as they succeed.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 27, 2011 4:46 PM

Well, its worked pretty well for Intel. It was actually Andy Grove's philosophy that he instilled in Intel. Grove has been gone from mgmt for a good while now -- but that sort of cultural thing tends to have deep roots -- especially since Intel's CEO's came from within.

But ask anyone whose been a significant supplier to Intel -- "so, how is it to work with Intel?" The facial expressions that follow are priceless ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Have to admit, though, even though the Skins were the best team in the league during the strike years they won the Super Bowl, the year they won with Gibbs and Casserly at the helm was the most satisfying...*no asterisks*..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

If you catch a buzz and read RI, frak seems lucid, completely normal...a tad on the boring side even. What's up with that?

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 27, 2011 5:12 PM | Report abuse

-You fight for what you think is best
-Its never personal
-When the decision is made, you are on board whether it was your position or not

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget your key 4th element:

The President of the organization never speaks directly to employees about their future unless the employee's agent is in the room. ;)

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 27, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I feel pretty laidback...Got my nut off a few times today..I had a friend that ran a porno theater in Sarasota..He'd wack-off all day and would always have a smile on his face..Drank a gallon of milk every day, like Moe..Died of a heart attack pounding the pud, though..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Stephen Paea DT 6'1 303 an impressive 49 reps of 225.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

My God man. I thought that was a typo when I read your post. Nope. Combine record. Impressive to say the least.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 27, 2011 5:22 PM | Report abuse

There were probably drugs involved, so don't blame it on the orgasm..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

There were probably drugs involved, so don't blame it on the orgasm..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

If I had a nickle for every time I heard that...

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 27, 2011 5:30 PM | Report abuse

-You fight for what you think is best
-Its never personal
-When the decision is made, you are on board whether it was your position or not

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget your key 4th element:

The President of the organization never speaks directly to employees about their future unless the employee's agent is in the room. ;)

Posted by: WaitingGuilty

Absolutely!!

fwiw, probably tons of books on Intel mgmt out there -- they've been an extraordinary company. Their best assets? They've never felt a need to buy into what the rest of the world thinks and they've always believed in investing for the future.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Question:

Who on this blog has read "Think Like a Champion"?

This is Mike Shanahan and Adam Schefter's book.

A friend gave it to me a while back...I had a couple hours to kill so I read it today.

I think everyone who follows the team and wants to criticize Shanahan at this juncture in his DC tenure should read the book before you assume you know everything about him and where the Redskins are headed under his guidance.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 27, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Nothing that happens in the combine matters!


Except maybe what personality is revealed in the interview.


All the rest is just tricked-up stupid hype.


The ONLY thing that matters is how they look on film. Does there ability translate to success on the field?

If they do pop amazing stats at the combine, yet don't distinguish on film at the same level, you should be wondering why....


Forget the stupid combine. It's fools gold. Watch film.

Posted by: edvar | February 27, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: edvar | February 27, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I'd say that the medical evals are by far the most important function of the combine and in fact, they are the reason the combine was started many years ago.

So I think I understand what you mean regarding drills etc. but the interviews and medical evals are priceless to teams if you listen to FO guys talk about it.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 27, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Question:

Who on this blog has read "Think Like a Champion"?

This is Mike Shanahan and Adam Schefter's book.

A friend gave it to me a while back...I had a couple hours to kill so I read it today.

I think everyone who follows the team and wants to criticize Shanahan at this juncture in his DC tenure should read the book before you assume you know everything about him and where the Redskins are headed under his guidance.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 27, 2011 5:57 PM

No one has to read his book to criticize him. Shanahan had a bad year in 2010.

He's also had a lot more good years than bad -- so he gets the benefit of the doubt -- at least from me. But 2010 was a lost year and it didn't have to be.

fwiw, read Stephan Fatsis -- my guess is that he's probably more objective about Shanny than Shanny is about himself.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2011 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2011 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Fair statement. I did not mean to imply that reading the book was a pre-requisite to critique him...sorry if it came out that way. I do think that some Redskins fans will learn a few things about him if they read the book. Especially the "Elway is the secret to his success" crowd.

I've read the Fatsis book also. The thing that surprised me the most was that Shanahan even let him have that access to the team.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 27, 2011 6:16 PM | Report abuse

News 4 just reported that Clinton Portis gave an interview to Lindsey Czarniak in which Portis said,

"The passion I had under Gibbs is not there anymore...I can't grow in this situation."

...of course Clinton...Gibbs let you practice when you wanted, you played when you wanted...everyone in that locker room knew about the "Portis rules"

He WAS a great Redskin though, but it's time to move on!

Posted by: rickyroge | February 27, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

He WAS a great Redskin though, but it's time to move on!

Posted by: rickyroge | February 27, 2011 6:40 PM

Your wish will be granted, He's going to be cut Mon/Tue of this week.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I've read the Fatsis book also. The thing that surprised me the most was that Shanahan even let him have that access to the team.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty

Shanahan is an interesting guy, no doubt. I wrote about it earlier -- as you know and maybe some others do, he nearly died playing football in college. He learned his offense from Bill Walsh, he worked directly for Al Davis. He's won 3 SBs and coached two HOF QBs. He's crossed paths with the best and worst of football.

He's a stone cold control freak and smart as hell. He's also the boss of his only son and wouldn't have take a job which he didn't have essentially all the power.

That the stone cold control freak would let Fatsis in, that just doesn't fit the image, does it??

I've never professed to know where Shanny intends to take this team -- though its not hard to make some educated guesses.

I know what I'd like to have seen and what I'd like to see going forward.

If I could ask Shanny one question that I'd hope he could answer honestly, it might be this: Are you still learning lessons, or do you know all the answers?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone know Billy Kilmer's 40 time?
Posted by: rickyroge"

I don't think he finished...

Posted by: Samson151

Billy once finished an SML 40 in under twenty seconds. I believe that still stands as a Skins record.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 27, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: edvar | February 27, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I'd say that the medical evals are by far the most important function of the combine and in fact, they are the reason the combine was started many years ago.

So I think I understand what you mean regarding drills etc. but the interviews and medical evals are priceless to teams if you listen to FO guys talk about it.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 27, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough.

And you are correct, I was referring to the nonsensical drills that don't translate to on field performance like 40 times in a straight line out of a sprinters stance wearing track clothes, etc.

Almost as dumb as only watching the highlight reels and thinking you've done enough homework...

Posted by: edvar | February 27, 2011 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone know Billy Kilmer's 40 time?
Posted by: rickyroge"

I don't think he finished...

Posted by: Samson151

Billy once finished an SML 40 in under twenty seconds. I believe that still stands as a Skins record.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 27, 2011 6:50 PM


Funny!

He ran the 40 yard waddle.

Kilmer started out as a running back until he messed up his leg(s) in a car crash if memory serves...

Posted by: edvar | February 27, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Books are for suckers.

Posted by: dcsween | February 27, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Kilmer was actually a determined and erstwhile scrambler, when he wanted to be, and he was curiously accurate , throwing a wobbly, disabled duck by power of mind and telekinesis alone.."Old Whiskey" was a leader of men in the tradition of those great whiskey abusers Ulysses S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Want to play 3-4, GET A FOOKING NOSE TACKLE!!!!!!!!!!!! No brute to clog the middle, then the 3-4 is just embarrassing.

Posted by: fr3dmars | February 27, 2011 7:34 PM | Report abuse

He ran the 40 yard waddle.

Kilmer started out as a running back until he messed up his leg(s) in a car crash if memory serves...

Posted by: edvar

I'd forgotten that he was once a running back. Even before the big belly or the accident, he was pretty bow legged. He must have been fun to watch.

"Kilmer was Mr. Everything on offense before entering the NFL. He was the last of the single-wing tailbacks at UCLA, where he did all the passing, running and kicking. As a senior, he led the nation in
total offense with 1,889 yards and became an All-American."

Hard to imagine.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 27, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

He ran the 40 yard waddle.

Kilmer started out as a running back until he messed up his leg(s) in a car crash if memory serves...

Posted by: edvar

I'd forgotten that he was once a running back. Even before the big belly or the accident, he was pretty bow legged. He must have been fun to watch.

"Kilmer was Mr. Everything on offense before entering the NFL. He was the last of the single-wing tailbacks at UCLA, where he did all the passing, running and kicking. As a senior, he led the nation in
total offense with 1,889 yards and became an All-American."

Hard to imagine.

Posted by: NYPDee

If memory serves correctly, Kilmer was part of one of the most famous plays in NFL history. He fumbled the ball that the great Viking D lineman, Jim Marshall, picked up and ran 66 yards with ... the wrong way

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2011 7:42 PM | Report abuse

What the Combine is REALLY about is how attendees react to pressure--i.e., having every limb jabbed and push/pulled by 32 medical departments, especially what happens when a player (who believes he runs a 4.3) reacts if he runs a 4.5 on the generally slow Indy surface, how a player reacts if he makes a mistake (overthrows, drops, faked out), continually is asked to take test after test, etc., etc. The point being is that the NFL is about money and over-reaction to mistakes means the player is not ready for the next play. Front offices are looking more for field-smart players than for those with fantastic builds. And, as mentioned above, every player has been broken down on film from freshman year on; front offices know how they played at the amateur level, but when big bucks are at stake, other factors become more important.

Posted by: iliwai34 | February 27, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Stephen Paea DT 6'1 303 an impressive 49 reps of 225.

Posted by: Diesel44

Sounds like the real Paella, with the thousand dollah a pound saffron rice, the sausage, the chicken, the clams, the works..Best food on the planet..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Kilmer threw ONE spiral his entire career.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 27, 2011 8:11 PM | Report abuse


Stephen Paea DT 6'1 303 an impressive 49 reps of 225.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

My God man. I thought that was a typo when I read your post. Nope. Combine record. Impressive to say the least.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 27, 2011 5:22 PM


My mouth was literally agape when I saw that number. If he doesn't get a 100 strength rating on Madden, it's a crime and a travesty...

For real though...Mayock says he's not just a workout wonder and that his combine showing translates onto the field as well. Could be a good fallback plan at NT if Phil Taylor goes before our 2nd round pick and if Shanahan loses his mind and takes a QB at 10...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 27, 2011 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I got a "Save This Date" announce of Big Ben's upcoming wedding this summer in Pitt. Marriage can be a good PR move when your career has taken a bad image hit. Some examples:

1. Rumors circulated of Richard Gere and Vin Diesel (his handle on this blog is Diesel44) being gay and both dudes got married and had chibs. It prob helped their images although both are on the downside of their career arcs, Gere more so than Diesel. Vin has a schlocky fifth install of F&F coming out in a month or so with The Rock as costar. Woo, woo!

2. Tiger Woods suffered a calamitous PR hit with that mistress scandal. Over twenty babes came out of the woodwork claiming to have been his mistress - neighbors, hostesses, porn stars, ... There was nothing he could do to save himself. Marriage was not an option because he already was and he ended up divorced, which didn't gain him any PR points.

3. Big Ben is getting married. This could help his PR image, espec if he has chibs. Still, he has an uphill battle ahead because of all the nasty PR that surfaced from the night of that incident down in GA when the lights went out on his promising career.

4. Michael Vick is making progress in resuscitating his PR image but marriage ain't going to do him much good as a PR move because his image probs are not sex related, at least the worst ones.

5. Antonio Cromartie has 9 chibs by 8 diff babes and he couldn't remember all their names. Like Woods, this is prob a near fatal PR blow, and marriage ain't going to solve nothing. Taking a memory improvement course might. But unlike Woods, the dud don't have no lost endorsement $$$ to cry hisself to sleep over, so he prob don't give a shti.

Posted by: PsyOps | February 27, 2011 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Yet another place that I've visited gets hit by a major natural disaster. My condolences to the people of Christchurch.

In recent years:
Chaiten -- destroyed by volcano
southern Chile -- 8.8 earthquake
Queensland -- massive floods
New Orleans -- hurricane
Christchurch -- earthquake

In a related note, I'm available for hire. If you got a cheating ex, a low-life boss, a nasty neighbor ... you can pay me to visit them.

But if you can arrange a visit for me at Danny Snyder's place ... I'll do that one free of charge.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2011 8:26 PM | Report abuse

4. Michael Vick is making progress in resuscitating his PR image but marriage ain't going to do him much good as a PR move because his image probs are not sex related, at least the worst ones.

Posted by: PsyOps | February 27, 2011 8:24 PM

Ron Mexico agrees

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Yet another place that I've visited gets hit by a major natural disaster. My condolences to the people of Christchurch.

In recent years:
Chaiten -- destroyed by volcano
southern Chile -- 8.8 earthquake
Queensland -- massive floods
New Orleans -- hurricane
Christchurch -- earthquake

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 27, 2011 8:26 PM |

Dude - let me update that for you:

Chaiten -- destroyed by volcano
southern Chile -- 8.8 earthquake
Queensland -- massive floods
New Orleans -- hurricane
Christchurch -- earthquake
RI -- Zeke's Unique Perspective

Just kidding ...

Posted by: PsyOps | February 27, 2011 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Stephen Paea DT 6'1 303 an impressive 49 reps of 225.

Posted by: Diesel44

That is more than impressive. I watched a guy at my gym do 200 fifty times without working up a sweat. He is the strongest man I've ever seen in person. What is really impressive is the stamina. Imagine a massive nose tackle who doesn't have to take every other play off. Kind of like the anti-Haynesworth.

I'd like DE at #10, but I wouldn't cry if we took Taylor or Paea.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 27, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Stephen Paea DT 6'1 303 an impressive 49 reps of 225.

Posted by: Diesel44

That is more than impressive.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 27, 2011 8:37 PM |

It is. Too bad there isn't some way to measure push force, which is the bottom line for effectiveness of 3-4 NTs, and which is generated by both upper body strength and leg strength.

Posted by: PsyOps | February 27, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

bw26- Taylor will likely go #21 to the Cheifs but I love Paea. He's too short to be a 3-4 DE but would be an excellent athletic NT...Similar to Jay Ratliff.

NYPDee- 200lbs?
bar weighs 45lb- 45
2 45 wheels- 135
2 25s- 185
2 5s- 195
2 2.5s- 200

Nobody does that. It's too much work. This is how it works with the big boys..

135
185
225
275
315 etc.

They only use 25's and 45's.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Paea-
6 sacks/yr is a strong number for an NT..Also his tackle numbers are good towards the end of the year, showing constitution..

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=378801

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

5. Antonio Cromartie has 9 chibs by 8 diff babes and he couldn't remember all their names. Like Woods, this is prob a near fatal PR blow, and marriage ain't going to solve nothing. Taking a memory improvement course might. But unlike Woods, the dud don't have no lost endorsement $$$ to cry hisself to sleep over, so he prob don't give a shti.

Posted by: PsyOps

If this is true, AC has broken the Shawn Kemp record for chibs.
But no one will ever beat the Woods record of blown endorsements, not even Vick.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 27, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

NYPDee- 200lbs?
bar weighs 45lb- 45
2 45 wheels- 135
2 25s- 185
2 5s- 195
2 2.5s- 200

Nobody does that. It's too much work. This is how it works with the big boys..

135
185
225
275
315 etc.

They only use 25's and 45's.

Posted by: Diesel44

Thanks for straightening me out. I've been lifting regularly in a gym for 25 years, so sometimes I get a little groggy. It wasn't part of his regular workout, he did it just to impress us, on a bet. He won.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 27, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Don Banks of SI on what he calls 'overreaction day' at the Combine:

"Ryan Mallett and Cam Newton basically switched places at some point overnight when no one was looking. Mallett looked as comfortable and in command on the field as he was defensive and ill-at-ease on the podium in Saturday's press conference setting."

"The inverse was true for Newton. He was all smoothness and smiles in his ridiculously well-attended Saturday press conference, but then proceeded to struggle mightily throwing the ball on Sunday, completing barely 50 percent of his passes despite being defensed by nothing more than air. On the upside, he did turn in a blazing 40 time of 4.58 -- which is moving it down the line pretty good for a guy who goes 6-foot-5, 248 pounds -- and turned in an impressive broad jump of 10 feet, 6 inches."

"For me, this weekend's turn of events sums up the gist of the NFL Scouting Combine experience. It's part-football, part-psychological testing and pretty much a full-fledged dog-and-pony show. Mallett clearly helped himself on Sunday, showing accuracy, superb arm strength and great touch on the ball. Newton, on the other hand, just threw the brakes on the notion of him taking an express trip to the top of the draft, spraying the ball around Lucas Oil Stadium like Brady Quinn on a windy day in Cleveland."

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

"Too bad there isn't some way to measure push force, which is the bottom line for effectiveness of 3-4 NTs, and which is generated by both upper body strength and leg strength.Posted by: PsyOps"

I think the Sports Science guys measure that, don't they? Believe they did with Suh last year. Should be a video on YouTube.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I imagine this is why Tom Condon doesn't let his QBs throw at the Combine. Newton has an off-day and now has to make up for it on March 8. Really, is there anybody out there who didn't know he wasn't ready to play QB in the NFL? And Mallett is? Except for that problem handling the rush up the middle...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 9:12 PM |

I don't doubt there is. I prob should have been more explicit:

Too bad there isn't some way to measure push force and have the Combine use it as a measurement stat.

Posted by: PsyOps | February 27, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Samson151-

Yeah, not exactly Big Ben's mobility on Mallett..Can bodies (not pole dancers) hang on him??

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse

And then there is this from Cam Newton...

per Wes Bunting....Not a fan of Cam Newton's comments after workout talking about throwing to lesser wide outs....like to see him own his poor performance.

This guy can't get out of his own way.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

And then there is this from Cam Newton...

per Wes Bunting....Not a fan of Cam Newton's comments after workout talking about throwing to lesser wide outs....like to see him own his poor performance.

This guy can't get out of his own way.


Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse
He said that sh_t! What a jerk.

He's wearing shorts and throwing to guys with no defense in the way.

He should be able to hit an open dog with a frisbee under those conditions.

That alone makes me not want this guy. Ponder might be the better choice.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 27, 2011 10:15 PM | Report abuse

And then there is this from Cam Newton...

The "Flat-A-Bomb For Los Angeles", that the Chinese are testing?? You tell me..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 10:27 PM | Report abuse

And then there is this from Cam Newton...

The "Flat-A-Bomb For Los Angeles", that the Chinese are testing?? You tell me..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 10:27 PM


Can anybody ever tell what Frak is talking about, or is it just me?

Dude - never stop. You are one in a million. I'll catch up sooner or later.

Posted by: edvar | February 27, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I can't get enough frak. We have a similar type of fanship and music. I would piss pound anyone that f'ed with frak.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

BTW ih8- I won my 1st and only mma contest. Ref stopped it 1:58. My wife says I'm too pretty to not wear head gear.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Books are for suckers.

Posted by: dcsween


Yeah, that's the "Red State" Control Program..Fact is, how New England stays on top is Belichik is the son of a used book store owner, a definite lover of books...Reading keep YOU ALIVE, BAY-BAYYYYY!!

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Swirling Syrups, remember him?? From Cioty Paper?? How 'bout Southside Sammy?? Anyways, it's RAF-A,Said, F****-Em Up...

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I can't get enough frak. We have a similar type of fanship and music. I would piss pound anyone that f'ed with frak.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 10:43 PM |

Diesel44= gay4Frak...

I heard Cam Newton puffed johnsons at the combine.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2011 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Damn, great job, Diesel..But, I'm supposed to feel honored?? Sounds like you wouyld be leaning on me all night to keep from hitting the floor!! Maybe it's a media ambush...I'm ruined that way, my mind is WARPED...

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 11:23 PM | Report abuse

scamp- I'm not gay for anyone. His act on here is some what refreshing while yours has been tired for a some time.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 11:35 PM | Report abuse

"Too bad there isn't some way to measure push force and have the Combine use it as a measurement stat.Posted by: PsyOps"

They used joules as a measurement -- Suh supposedly generated 900 of them when he launched the geeky test subject guy into the air...

At some point it will occur to the Combine folks to use some more sophisticated equipment. But then the process will take a full week.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 11:38 PM | Report abuse

scamp- I'm not gay for anyone. His act on here is some what refreshing while yours has been tired for a some time.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 11:35 PM |

Awww...someone's gettin' touchy. Hit a nerve gay boy?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2011 11:40 PM | Report abuse

I think with his present skills, Cam would make a terrific rush linebacker. Also he's clearly the best qualified to host a game show.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey Diesel, it's a joke dude. Don't take yourself so seriously. There's not too many people on here that I think are actually gay.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2011 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Awww...someone's gettin' touchy. Hit a nerve gay boy?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2011 11:40 PM

I'm a lesbian.

Why do you want to fight? You're 160lbs right? You better bring a few friends if that was the case.

I don't fight on blogs. frak is like a the strange kid on the bus that I'll always defend.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 11:44 PM | Report abuse

On those footwork and agility drills -- the Wes Welker skills -- the standouts seemed to be Jeff Maehl of Oregon and Sanzenbacher of Ohio State. I believe Maehl actually set a Combine record in the 3 cone. The Skins could use a guy who could get open underneath...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 27, 2011 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Appreciate the attempt, Diesel, but I'm already covered by my best friend on the tarmac..

Posted by: frak | February 27, 2011 11:53 PM | Report abuse

I really don't know anything about the college players and I'm skeptical that much that happens at the combine changes minds. The Oregon-Auburn bowl game and the Stanford bowl game is all the college football I saw. There was an Oregon WR that I liked, a possesion sort. Maybe its the guy who aced the cone test.

I suspect coaches/scouts go to Indy mostly to confirm their assumptions or see if they've gotten something wrong. Maybe they get some significant insights on guys who'll show up in rounds 3, 4 and 5. Not that we've got a lot of picks in those rounds.

But as Paul Simon wrote so long ago, 'a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest'. I'd bet most coaches/scouts go with their biases firmly in place. If Shanahan or any other coach is excited about Cam Newton, they'll almost certainly leave excited about Cam Newton.

I'd imagine the #1 thing they are looking for is attitude. My #1 question would be, did the kid come prepared to succeed?

Almost everything else comes from looking at tape and talking with coaches, etc.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2011 12:25 AM | Report abuse

The first things you said, wrang true,zcezcecest1, I believe his name is Maehle (pronounced "male") but when you waxed on Simon and Newton all pancake syrup, I had to say "John Lennon actually never really gave a f***.." What f***in' millionaire walks around his apartment right beside CENTRAL-FREAKIN-PARK without protection...except the dead and dyin'...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIVCneVSvIM

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 12:45 AM | Report abuse

quinn beats miller; there, I said it.

What do you need to build a championship? A proven formula is: an adequate QB, a running game, and a good/great defense. Seems like we are capable of, in the next two years, pursuing this as an overall strategy.

I think we would do well with the following:

Rogers
Hall
OJ
Landry
Quin
Fletcher
2nd ILB Riley, Alexander/ FA
Orakpo
Carriker
NT from 2nd round in draft
Golston/Phillips

QB McNabb
Oline should improve additional year in system and additions from FA and draft
Torrain/Davis/FA or rookie

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | February 28, 2011 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Why do you want to fight? You're 160lbs right? You better bring a few friends if that was the case.

I don't fight on blogs. frak is like a the strange kid on the bus that I'll always defend.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 11:44 PM

Another internet tough guy. I don't need a friend to take on guys that threaten people on blogs. You're not the only amateur/pro fighter around...just the only one that tries to brag about it from his keyboard.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2011 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Twisi Diesel__44, or something like that is still a gov't, uh, I mean, Wash Post op...Just like you, scamp...

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Twisi Diesel__44, or something like that is still a gov't, uh, I mean, Wash Post op...Just like you, scamp...

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 1:27 AM |

You know, with as much as I bash the government and this paper you'd think you would have figured it out by now frak. The fact that I live on the West Coast might also have tipped you off. I guess that paranoia and lack of brain cells has really taken it's toll on you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2011 1:30 AM | Report abuse

..my bad..

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 1:42 AM | Report abuse

scamp- I don't brag and I don't pick fights. Although if you gained 50lbs I'd love to fight you.

You've always been good with me scamp and once again I'm not a fighter on a f'n blog.

Here you go...I like scamp and frak and any idiot that takes the time to post on this sjk blog.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Trade down, fix the line, trade down fix the line, trade down fix the line.

Posted by: Pepper5 | February 28, 2011 2:02 AM | Report abuse

The Skins are in desperate need of, both Defensive and offensive line help.

The one constant in football, that has never changed is, the game is won and lost @ the line of scrimmage.

Posted by: Defund_NPR | February 28, 2011 2:38 AM | Report abuse

Newton has never been the one. Ponder is the pick of this year's litter.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2011 3:34 AM | Report abuse

Boy, the more I read about this Paea kid the more I like him:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=83921&draftyear=2011&genpos=DT

I'd still rather see us get Phil Taylor, but if we go QB at #10 (PLEASE don't) Paea seems likely to still be on the board when we pick in Round 2.

Also, heard that Sidney Rice won't resign with Minny before FA starts (whenever that is). Should be interesting to see if the Skins make a run at him...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 5:26 AM | Report abuse

Nice article on how to build a successful NFL team...sure hope Snyder, Allen, and Shanahan are listening:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Caplan-Green-Bay-Packers-Pittsburgh-Steelers-draft-not-free-agency-022711

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 5:41 AM | Report abuse

Another goodie from Foxsports.com on the QBs at the Combine:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/NFL-Scouting-Combine-quarterback-analysis-022711

Here's what he says about the guys we talk about most up here:

1. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas: The strong-armed quarterback needed to have a great showing and he did just that. Mallett was easily the most impressive passer Sunday.

Mallett was much better in person than I thought he would be and so was his arm. He’s very effortless in his throwing, but that’s not a bad thing. He almost doesn’t realize how strong his arm is. But I would caution those watching at home about passers here. They are not going up against anyone and no one is coming at them.

The ball simply jumps out of his hand, but we kind of knew that coming in. Keep in mind his game tape is very inconsistent, so one throwing session isn’t going to change that, but he sure helped himself.

2. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada: Much like Mallett, Kaepernick’s passes were so effortless. He threw the nicest ball out of any of the quarterbacks here. He needs to work on his touch on some of the shorter passes and his delivery is slightly long, but I’m being as critical as I can with him.

While Kaepernick needs to fill out physically and could be set back a bit because of the college scheme he played in, he also has great tools. Nothing that has happened since his great Senior Bowl week performance has changed my mind. He will be a rock solid second-round pick.

3. Christian Ponder, Florida State: I seemed to be in the minority during Senior Bowl week when I wrote that I thought he was really impressive at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala. Well, Ponder followed that up and did well again in Indianapolis.

He can make most every throw that a quarterback will be asked to make in the NFL. You can really see how he can drive the ball off his back foot on his three-quarter release to get power into his passes.

I’ll still leave him with a third-round grade, but his draft stock probably will be decided for not as much as he’s done on the field. It will come down to his medical grade from teams.

4. Andy Dalton, TCU: You won’t find a more technically sound quarterback in the draft than Dalton. He has tremendous touch on shorter throws. Those who criticize him have to understand that he does not possess great arm strength. If you were expecting to see that during his throwing session, you were going to be disappointed. However, he showed surprisingly good touch on deeper downfield sideline throws, which really isn’t a facet of his game that he’s asked to work on much.

Again, you have to understand what Dalton is and what he isn’t. He’s not and never will be a power thrower although his arm is capable of getting stronger over time. What he is, at this point, is a guy who is a rhythm passer and he’s path to playing will be shorter than most because he’s so technically proficient. If you watch the Rose Bowl, you will know exactly what I mean.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 6:11 AM | Report abuse

Boy, Adam Caplan at Foxsports.com has been busy:

Top five performances

1. Ryan Mallett/QB/Arkansas — Other than Cam Newton, no other quarterback had as much to prove as Mallett coming into Sunday’s events.

The strong-armed passer showed why he has one of the best arms available in the draft.

Mallett threw the ball with relative ease during the entire throwing session. He clearly can make any NFL throw.

Being this was my 10th Combine, I can recall only a few better performances from a throwing standpoint over the years (Joe Flacco and Jay Cutler come to mind), so Mallett certainly helped himself Sunday. What he needs to do now is get with a strong media coach to help him interview better.

2. Julio Jones/WR/Alabama — I came in thinking he’s a 4.5 (in the 40-yard dash), but Jones posted an unexpected 4.39, the fifth best time overall Sunday.

We also knew coming in that he had terrific pair of hands. They were on display for all of the NFL to see. He continued to snatch the ball out of the air. He also did well in the broad jump and bench press.

Jones, who really helped himself, shouldn’t last past the draft's first 10 picks.

3. Edmond Gates/WR/Abilene Christian — The first thing probably out of most fans’ mouths was, “Who is this guy?”

Much like former Abilene Christian wide receiver Johnny Knox, Gates came into the Combine as a relative unknown, but he leaves having posted a blistering 4.37 40-yard dash time. He also put up a solid 40-inch vertical jump.

Gates was off to a great start during Senior Bowl week in January only to suffer a hamstring injury, so he’s back on the minds of the scouting community after his strong performances Sunday.

4. Stephen Paea/DT/Oregon State — Despite dealing with a torn meniscus which he suffered during Senior Bowl week, Paea wound up posting the bench press record of 49 reps at 225 pounds.

The interior defensive lineman could have easily skipped working out because of his injury and worked out during his pro day, so give him credit for doing what he did.

Paea, according to personnel sources, was thought to be a rock solid second-round pick coming into the Combine, so it will be interesting if he moves up draft boards. His bench press performance shows that he has tremendous upper body strength.

5. Leonard Hankerson/WR/Miami (Fla.) — Hankerson was already thought to be one of the best senior wide receivers available. But his 4.43 40-yard dash time was a surprise considering he gets labeled so much as a possession wide receiver.

Hankerson, who also was impressive during Senior Bowl practices, helped solidify himself as a definite second-round pick.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 6:20 AM | Report abuse


This year’s Super Bowl participants, the Green Bay Packers and Pittsburgh Steelers, are two teams who clearly believe in the philosophy that you build your roster through the NFL Draft and not through free agency.

Obviously, building the roster is very important, but what’s the best path to sustained success?

Build Through the Draft
“Oh man, I love it. Is that awesome? I think both teams combined maybe had four starters that they got through free agency,” St. Louis Rams general manager Billy Devaney said this week.

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sound familiar ?

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 6:21 AM | Report abuse

sound familiar ?

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 6:21 AM


Yeah, it does. But note what Ted Thompson said as well: "Certainly free agency is another avenue, but you do that a little bit more selectively. That's just the way we were taught.”

See? There's no "FREE AGENCY IS THE DEVIL!" anywhere in that quote or that article...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 6:47 AM | Report abuse

sound familiar ?

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 6:21 AM


Yeah, it does. But note what Ted Thompson said as well: "Certainly free agency is another avenue, but you do that a little bit more selectively. That's just the way we were taught.”

See? There's no "FREE AGENCY IS THE DEVIL!" anywhere in that quote or that article...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 6:47 AM | Report abuse

Sorry for the double post...damn losable type...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Oh, forgot this too Hess:

While the Steelers and Packers have built their rosters almost exclusively through the draft, there isn’t one set way to build a roster.

"I personally don't like to be categorized as a draft guy or a free-agent guy. I think you truly believe that you need to compare both sides going into every year and decide where the strengths are and where the weaknesses are and if you can fix them in the draft or in free agency,” Dimitroff said. “I know that was something that I was very particular about coming into Atlanta to make sure that I didn't get pigeonholed as one type of team builder.”

Dimitroff’s right. For years, the New England Patriots, whom Dimitroff worked for prior to the Falcons, have been willing to add veteran players (Randy Moss, Corey Dillon, Rodney Harrison and Junior Seau, for example) to their roster whom they thought could help them win a Super Bowl.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 6:55 AM | Report abuse


Yeah, it does. But note what Ted Thompson said as well: "Certainly free agency is another avenue, but you do that a little bit more selectively. That's just the way we were taught.”

See? There's no "FREE AGENCY IS THE DEVIL!" anywhere in that quote or that article...


Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 6:47 AM |

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brown

i never said,"FREE AGENCY IS THE DEVIL!".

please read what i say here carefully, so i don't have to repeat it again and get certain folks up my ass.

build the roster thru the draft, and yes, use FA's to compliment what you're drafting. my big sticking point is the big money FA's, and to that i say, stay away from the mistakes we've made in the past. i think that's what thompson's getting at in his comments about FA's

HTTR!


Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 6:58 AM | Report abuse

BTW ih8- I won my 1st and only mma contest. Ref stopped it 1:58. My wife says I'm too pretty to not wear head gear.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Nice Diesel. That's pretty cool man, and don't let the haters call you an internet tough guy.

Is there a youtube video?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 28, 2011 7:04 AM | Report abuse


Oh, forgot this too Hess:

While the Steelers and Packers have built their rosters almost exclusively through the draft, there isn’t one set way to build a roster.

Dimitroff’s right. For years, the New England Patriots, whom Dimitroff worked for prior to the Falcons, have been willing to add veteran players (Randy Moss, Corey Dillon, Rodney Harrison and Junior Seau, for example) to their roster whom they thought could help them win a Super Bowl.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 6:55 AM |

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understood, anything is possible. that would include building a winning roster thru FA's. that could happen this year with all the FA's on the market. i think the redskins will be active, i'm just hoping they use logic and that they'll be sensible.

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 7:05 AM | Report abuse

BTW ih8- I won my 1st and only mma contest. Ref stopped it 1:58. My wife says I'm too pretty to not wear head gear.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Nice Diesel. That's pretty cool man, and don't let the haters call you an internet tough guy.

Is there a youtube video?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 28, 2011 7:04 AM

ih8 -- Yeah. I saw the video. Diesel beat his wife. She kept saying "Take off the headgear, you're too pretty." She was trying to box his ears.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 28, 2011 7:07 AM | Report abuse

please read what i say here carefully, so i don't have to repeat it again and get certain folks up my ass.

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 6:58 AM


Oh, I'M the one getting certain folks up your ass? Just because you haven't said "FREE AGENCY IS THE DEVIL" verbatim doesn't mean that's not the underlying theme of your comments.

When you poo-poo literally EVERY potential free agent discussed up here, and cite past sins in FA as the reason, we get where you're going with that.

If there's a FA out there that is a top talent, young, and we pay market value for his services, why wouldn't we go after him?

Case in point: Sidney Rice. He's 24, figures to be one of the best WRs available, and will probably cost a pretty penny. We've got a gaping hole at WR (especially if Santana isn't back)...are you saying that's not a decision worth making simply because he'll cost a lot?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 7:15 AM | Report abuse


Oh, I'M the one getting certain folks up your ass? Just because you haven't said "FREE AGENCY IS THE DEVIL" verbatim doesn't mean that's not the underlying theme of your comments.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 7:15 AM |

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whateves brown, to early to start. have a good day

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Well done, hess...that was about as graceful a retreat as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IO_7mpy6s

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Another day...

Same ol chatta...

A woman once told me that what is pleasurable from one position stops feeling that way after doing it that way too long.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 7:30 AM | Report abuse


Another day...

Same ol chatta...

A woman once told me that what is pleasurable from one position stops feeling that way after doing it that way too long.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 7:30 AM |

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tell me about it moe

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 7:32 AM | Report abuse

hessone

tell me about it moe


Maybe some prince in this kingdom will stir up something else to chat about.

I'll pass on posting today.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Moe, it is what it is at this point, dude...RI is gonna be hella dull while there's labor unrest and player movement is dormant. Any day that doesn't revive the JC debate or the "Shanahan is nothing without Elway" crap is a good day, IMO...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Another day...

Same ol chatta...

A woman once told me that what is pleasurable from one position stops feeling that way after doing it that way too long.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 7:30 AM
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I am a former Navy submariner and our motto always was "when things start to look too much the same, dive a little deeper".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 7:42 AM | Report abuse

I am a former Navy submariner and our motto always was "when things start to look too much the same, dive a little deeper".

This works for me as today, I've come to work dressed as a pirate.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 7:44 AM | Report abuse


regardless of what anyone post today, i hope everyone has a good day and HTTR!

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Moe, it is what it is at this point, dude...RI is gonna be hella dull while there's labor unrest and player movement is dormant. Any day that doesn't revive the JC debate or the "Shanahan is nothing without Elway" crap is a good day, IMO...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 7:38 AM
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Well, at least we've got the combine to talk about. Anyone besides me notice that Syracuse University always seems to have guys at the combine that beast out on the bench press? Their center ranked first among o-linemen in the bench and their running back was number four among running backs. With that said, Bartholomew won't be drafted but Delone Carter is going to make some team a beast of a back.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 7:51 AM | Report abuse

regardless of what anyone post today,...

Any Nats' fans in here?

Is there any cchnace SS comes back to pitch late in the year or is he done until '12?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 7:52 AM | Report abuse

I am a former Navy submariner and our motto always was "when things start to look too much the same, dive a little deeper".

This works for me as today, I've come to work dressed as a pirate.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 7:44 AM
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That's going deep, Moe. May you swash many buckles today.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Hey, we can't let a combine go by without at least having one lively debate about the importance of the combine. Some people seem to think the combine is a glorified dog and pony show and the personnel guys are much better off seeing what happened on the tape. Still, every year we see some player rise up the draft charts solely because of their performance at the combine. So, how important is the combine?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 7:58 AM | Report abuse

...Delone Carter is going to make some team a beast of a back.

He looked good in the East-West Shrine Game.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 7:59 AM | Report abuse

I am a former Navy submariner and our motto always was "when things start to look too much the same, dive a little deeper".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 7:42 AM


What a coincidence...I'm a former muff diver and we used to say the same thing!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 8:01 AM | Report abuse

This works for me as today, I've come to work dressed as a pirate.

The pirate costume is a way of letting a certain sexy young woman I work with know mine is the plank she should walk.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 8:03 AM | Report abuse

RSH, I'm still shakin' my head at the 49 reps Paea did...that dude is a manimal...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 8:06 AM | Report abuse

BTW ih8- I won my 1st and only mma contest. Ref stopped it 1:58. My wife says I'm too pretty to not wear head gear.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Congrats, Dies. Lots of money in the ring. New career?

Posted by: frediefritz | February 28, 2011 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Taigate zone is asking how you will remeber CP26. I'll remeber him as a tough little mf who left it all on the field and was one of the best at picking up the blitz.

Posted by: wireman65 | February 28, 2011 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Tailgate zone is asking how you will remember CP26.


I'll remember him as a pawn in a trade that should not have been made.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 8:10 AM | Report abuse

What a coincidence...I'm a former muff diver and we used to say the same thing!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Heh, heh, that's a term I haven't used in awhile. Munchin's not normally my thang, but when I was young, I would make an exception on occasion.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 28, 2011 8:14 AM | Report abuse


BTW ih8- I won my 1st and only mma contest. Ref stopped it 1:58. My wife says I'm too pretty to not wear head gear.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 27, 2011 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Nice Diesel. That's pretty cool man, and don't let the haters call you an internet tough guy.

Is there a youtube video?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 28, 2011 7:04 AM

ih8 -- Yeah. I saw the video. Diesel beat his wife. She kept saying "Take off the headgear, you're too pretty." She was trying to box his ears.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 28, 2011 7:07 AM | Report abuse

I sawe that video also, beeps. I thought Mrs D was really coming on at the end, couldn't figure out why ref stopped it at 1:58.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 28, 2011 8:18 AM | Report abuse

If there's a FA out there that is a top talent, young, and we pay market value for his services, why wouldn't we go after him?

Case in point: Sidney Rice. He's 24, figures to be one of the best WRs available, and will probably cost a pretty penny. We've got a gaping hole at WR (especially if Santana isn't back)...are you saying that's not a decision worth making simply because he'll cost a lot?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 7:15 AM | Report abuse
I agree, brownwood. The problem we have had is chasing 30+ yr old former all-pro has beens. AH was the one not over 30, but he had obvious lazy character issues.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 28, 2011 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Is there any cchnace SS comes back to pitch late in the year or is he done until '12?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Recovery time being what it is, 12-18 months, I'd say he'll be back at the tail end of the season. Most are back in 12-13 months. That's late, late August to mid-September. They probably want to see where he is at that point. That said, with his talent and hype, they might hold him over to 2012. It's just a judgement call based on where he is physically.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 28, 2011 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Tony Pauline at SI is calling Ryan Mallett's throwing session the best passing workout at the Combine in 10 years. Of course a lot of the best QBs didn't work out at the Combine. Nonetheless Mallett was hitting the deep outs and sideline stuff that are the real test of a pocket passer.

Other QBs who helped themselves: Ponder of FSU and Nathan Enderle of Idaho, another big-arm guy.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2011 8:23 AM | Report abuse

regardless of what anyone post today, i hope everyone has a good day and HTTR!

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Same to you hess, and I'm glad your 'monthly visitor' left! hahaha
Just joking, I'm not trying to start with you today, I'll 'bully' someone else today!

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

RSH, I'm still shakin' my head at the 49 reps Paea did...that dude is a manimal...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I remember reading about him a few weeks ago. Folks saying he has Haloti Ngata-type work ethic and motor. At 290-300, he seems a little light to try and play NT, though.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm a little worried about drafting a guy that might have the motor and drive like a Matthews at OLB, but lacking in the size department.

I know I have the drive, but I have the size and the skill set of a semi-professional bowler.

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I'll remember him as a pawn in a trade that should not have been made.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 8:10 AM


I'll agree that the Skins took the wrong deal (still think the Jets deal would have been better at the time), but I'll still look back on Portis as a very productive player that was the key cog on two playoff teams. Considering those were the only two playoff runs of the decade, I don't think that's something we can just gloss over.

I mean, regardless of what we think of him, 2nd leading rusher in franchise history doesn't just happen. Save for a couple of injury riddled seasons, we might be asking if he's Canton-bound...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I remember reading about him a few weeks ago. Folks saying he has Haloti Ngata-type work ethic and motor. At 290-300, he seems a little light to try and play NT, though.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 8:29 AM


Seems to me if folks up here were ready to start painting Von Miller's helmet burgundy and gold, Paea isn't too small to play NT. He's got great strength and plays with good leverage so I don't see why he wouldn't be a fit there when Ratliff (also around 300 pounds) mans that spot well for Dallas and he's not nearly as strong as Paea. I'd still prefer Phil Taylor at this point, but if Paea is still on the board when we pick in Round 2 I think he's more than worth it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Re: CP

I'll remember him as a tough do-it-all RB who had a great 4-5 year run with the team.

Sadly I'll also remember him as one of the me-first prima-donna poster-boys that characterized the Snyder era of the 2000-2010 decade.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Julio Jones at 10...

Portis was a beast, he got run until the wheels came off...

CNewton has a lousy day, and its eveyone else's fault but his....nuff said, STEER CLEAR...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Welcome back monk...if there is one good thing about the SPG...its that we can cover for each other and RI peeps don't have to miss out on any of our knowledgeable and provocative insight.

Oh...and I'm not going to the Tailgate Zone.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

Paea isn't too small to play NT. He's got great strength and plays with good leverage so I don't see why he wouldn't be a fit there when Ratliff (also around 300 pounds


Amen.

All he has to do is be quick enough to pressure a center and strong enough to hold the NT spot.

The idea is to put him in a rotation with A Bryant.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Greg, 100% co-sign on Newton...my hope is that Dallas falls in love and throws their franchise into disarray by burning the 9th pick on his overrated ass...

Taking JJ at 10 is crazy, though...first, I doubt he'll be on the board. Second, even if he is we need to draft defense this year. To me, we'd be best served trading back (if someone is desperate enough to wanna come up to 10th), get a NT with the late 1st rounder, and go QB with the 2nd rounder. But that's just me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Seems to me if folks up here were ready to start painting Von Miller's helmet burgundy and gold, Paea isn't too small to play NT. He's got great strength and plays with good leverage so I don't see why he wouldn't be a fit there when Ratliff (also around 300 pounds) mans that spot well for Dallas and he's not nearly as strong as Paea. I'd still prefer Phil Taylor at this point, but if Paea is still on the board when we pick in Round 2 I think he's more than worth it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse


Anytime we talk about an under-size NT, Jay Ratliff's name is frequently mentioned. But really that's the exception and not the norm. Reports are that they are moving Ratliff to DE this year b/c he's too small to man the middle in Rob Ryan's version of the 3-4. It seems that if you play an undersized NT, you better have a scheme that accounts for it - Wade Phillips did; not sure if Jim Haslett does.

Either way, I like Paea. He seems like a guy who could be a DE/NT hybrid, and move around some...kind of like Ngata.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 8:57 AM | Report abuse

ha brown, I was partially kidding, cats a player though, and has had a GREAT showing at the combine...curious to see what Cam Jordan runs, as well as Pat Petersen...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

CNewton has a lousy day, and its eveyone else's fault but his....nuff said, STEER CLEAR...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

No kidding.

People keep ogling over his Herculean physical skills, but don't see his Ryan Leafian head.

My hope is that he falls to #10, and several other dope organizations - Minny, Miami, Jax - who may want him will trade away a draft haul with us to get him.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Julio Jones at 10...

I like Julio Jones, Lenard Hankerson, A Green, and Jonathan Baldwin.

But I would not draft a wide receiver high no matter what I felt about him.

I think NFL passing attacks work better with 3-4 decent, affordable receivers who know their roles than a 1-2 combination where a high drafted star wants the passing O to flow through him.

So let's take a second tier FA receiver and find another 6th/7th round undrafted gem ballcatcher.

What I want are guys in the 6'2" 200 pound range who become running backs after the pass hits their hands.

There is so much passing in the college game now that there are probably a handful of solid receivers to be found anywhere--drafted and undrafted.

Today, good receivers are a dime a dozen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Julio's excellent combine hopefully will result in a team wanting to trade up to #10 to take him.

Paea isn't too small to play NT. He'd be a perfect fit at NT (athletic and strong). If he's there in the 2nd, he should be the choice.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Welcome back monk...if there is one good thing about the SPG...its that we can cover for each other and RI peeps don't have to miss out on any of our knowledgeable and provocative insight.

Oh...and I'm not going to the Tailgate Zone.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Thanks PA, glad to hear I wasn't missed! hahaha

Did you ever find a replacement for me? I know 'blog bully' is a position with a lot of responsibilities!

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, I get what you're saying (it's basically my argument against taking Miller at #10, actually) and totally agree in general...I'm just sayin' that with Paea, you can't just look at his 300 pounds and say he can't play that spot...I'd buy that if he were something like 285 or 290, but at 300 pounds he's not exactly undersized.

Put it this way...would you rather have a guy at NT who's 350 pounds and sloppy fat or a guy who's 300 pounds but makes the bench press look like he's playing upsie-daisy with an infant?

Personally, I'll take the power-lifter.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Did you ever find a replacement for me? I know 'blog bully' is a position with a lot of responsibilities!

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 9:06 AM

Nope, apparently your shoes are just too big to fill around here...or there's not a huge demand for non-paying gigs...there were 0 responses to my help wanted ad.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Diesel44

Paea isn't too small to play NT. If he's there in the 2nd, he should be the choice.

Question: Which defensive line position will emerge as the most important in the draft?

a. nose tackle

b. defensive end

c. swing NT-DT

d. swing DT-DE

Moe rolls with answers 'c and d' as having a guy athletic enough to play end and some tackle is extremely important given the hybrid looks NFL defenses offer today.

Too, the premium is on versility as in many cases, the lineman may draft back into underneath coverage.

The new talent market is adaptable athletic defensive linemen.

And so, maybe guys like Paea, Taylor, Daceus, Fairley, Heyward, Claybourn, Powe, Austin, Quinn are surprise 1st rounders to highlight this.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Robert Quinn the Vonn Miller but I don't think he'll make it to 10.

Between the Cam Newton hype train and the potential of a rookie salary scale, there could actually be some trade partners for the #10 pick.

If that happens, Paea is my pick (unless Pouncy is there). He is not too small by any stretch of the imagination. Dude has tree trunks for legs and doesn't get moved by one guy.

I also don't hate the idea of Julio Jones. WR isn't our biggest need but it's definitely a need and you could do a lot worse than Jones.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 28, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Just checkin', Greg...I knew that didn't sound like you.

I'm watching the combine now...still waiting for some of the bigger name D-lineman to run, but so far a lot of these big guys are turning in great 40 times for guys their size...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Today, good receivers are a dime a dozen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Then why is it such a big need for this team?

I don't even care who we draft anymore. I'll just watch it on TV and hope the pick is not completely retarded.

So many holes to fill that BPA is probably the best way to go.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 28, 2011 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Greg, Cam Jordan is about to go...Fairley just ran a 4.86.

Every single guy has run a sub-5 second 40 thus far. Very athletic group of D-lineman this year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 9:25 AM | Report abuse

brown, if you could post an update on his time that'd be great...thanks....

I'm hoping he's in the 4.7 range...and is the pick at 10...unless Julio is there....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 9:27 AM | Report abuse

My pick at #10 is still Cameron Jordan. I'd prefer to trade down to get him though. I think if we landed him and one of the top 3 NTs we'd be in good shape on the dline. I'd like to have Cameron Jordan, Jerrel Powe, and Christian Ponder.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 28, 2011 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I wouldnt have a problem with taking JJ at number ten. j ones has been called a top tier player for a long time now. It does not surprise me in the least that his stock is rising fast. This kid was one of the biggest recruits in the country when Saban landed him.
But with all the needs i dont see him as the ideal fit. OUr D needs to much. Just hope Dallas dosent grab him or Green though. Dez and either of them would be a tough combo for years.
And if Patrick Peterson somhow falls to Ten you take him. I think he is the true cant miss player of this draft.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 28, 2011 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I like Paea and would take him, but not as a full-time NT starter for out team.

The list of 300 pound 3-4 NTs in the league includes Jay Ratliff...and...that's it.

Wade Phillips apparently played a style of 3-4 that schemed for an undersized NT who was able to shoot alot of gaps - but that seems to be the exception and not the norm. I don't know that it's the same as Jim Haslett.

You could be a 300 pound power-lifter, but you are still exerting alot of energy when you are pushing back/through 2 guys to hold your ground - you will start wearing out.

The beauty of the fat-load 350 pound 3-4NT is that he can leverage more weight and put the burden (literally) on the Olineman to try to push him back.

Anyhow, I like Paea and I think he could be a good 3-4 DE/NT who could move around on the Dline.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Today, good receivers are a dime a dozen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Then why is it such a big need for this team?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 28, 2011 9:23 AM

We don't have enough dimes.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

moe, disagree on recievers being a .10/doz, and I realize that the player can only be as good as the qb that is throwing him the ball, see WWelker for further proof, but WR has been a need position on this team since Gardner, Rod had 1007 and still cared about football....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Cam Jordan 4.71 40 @ 6'4 287...Imppressive to go along with his 25 reps of 225.

FWI...Paea benfits from having shorter arms with the bench press but 49 reps beat the combine record by 4. He's a jackhammer and would hold his own in the middle.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Question:

Who on this blog has read "Think Like a Champion"?

This is Mike Shanahan and Adam Schefter's book.

A friend gave it to me a while back...I had a couple hours to kill so I read it today.

I think everyone who follows the team and wants to criticize Shanahan at this juncture in his DC tenure should read the book before you assume you know everything about him and where the Redskins are headed under his guidance.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 27, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

In all seriousness, please explain. Cuz I'm in the camp that he's doing things the right way. Some people might see otherwise, but that's b/c this fan base has been subjected to piss poor management for so long they've become complacent to it.

Posted by: Devo2 | February 28, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

yikes..Cam Jordan is the pick then.....unless someone falls...

thats impressive....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

yikes..Cam Jordan is the pick then.....unless someone falls...

thats impressive....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Ryan Kerrigan 6'4 267 4.67 40 31 reps of 225.

3-4 OLB/4-3 DE

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 9:40 AM | Report abuse

WWelker for further proof, but WR has been a need position on this team since Gardner

Wide receiver has been a position of need for THIS team, not league-wide.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Wes Welker was known as one of the best/ most dynamic receivers in the country at Texas Tech. Got busy at Mia too didnt really have much help at Qb either of those spots. He slips thou the crack because he didn't have the ideal size/speed combo. He wasnt even invited to the combine dude to his size despite a stellar college career.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 28, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

did JJ Watt run yet??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Cam Jordan runs a 4.71...wow...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I say pick Mark Ingram with 1st rd and Colin K. with the 2nd rd...

Posted by: priceisright | February 28, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

JJ Watt 6'5 290 34 reps. Hasn't run yet.

Peter King is a fat dope. Has us taking Ryan Mallett at 10. Why is King still relevant?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I say pick Mark Ingram with 1st rd and Colin K. with the 2nd rd...

Posted by: priceisright | February 28, 2011 9:45 AM

Not trying to be a dick but that would be the worst draft in NFL history.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Wes Welker was known as one of the best/ most dynamic receivers in the country at Texas Tech. Got busy at Mia too didnt really have much help at Qb either of those spots. He slips thou the crack because he didn't have the ideal size/speed combo. He wasnt even invited to the combine dude to his size despite a stellar college career.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 28, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Welker didn't 'blow up' until NE, I think he is more of a product of a good scheme, strictly a slot guy. Stick him out wide all the time on another team and he becomes invisible.

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

The beauty of the fat-load 350 pound 3-4NT is that he can leverage more weight and put the burden (literally) on the Olineman to try to push him back.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 9:29 AM


While I don't disagree with that, the 350 pound fat load is carrying 350 pounds on his knees. That'll do as much damage to himself as it will any C/G...

Like I said, I'd rather get Phil Taylor but barring a REALLY nice trade back, I doubt we'll get him unless we reach at 10. Paea's game seems to fit the NT spot well, regardless of what the scale says.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse


Who on this blog has read "Think Like a Champion"?

This is Mike Shanahan and Adam Schefter's book.

I think everyone who follows the team and wants to criticize Shanahan at this juncture in his DC tenure should read the book before you assume you know everything about him and where the Redskins are headed under his guidance.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 27, 2011 5:57 PM


If you read Shanahan's book "Think Like a Champion", you might appreciate this Washington Examiner article that references it:Thom Loverro: Shanahan has had a leaky past

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone watch Ponder throw? How did he look on the out routes and deep ball?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 28, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

He slips thou the crack because he didn't have the ideal size/speed combo. He wasnt even invited to the combine dude to his size despite a stellar college career


This is what I mean.

Let's find two-three additional receviers that we don't have to draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Then why is it such a big need for this team?

Two words, Bug Eyes.

Posted by: wireman65 | February 28, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

monk, yeah that was kind of my point, welker was cut by SD, picked up by Miami, not much of anything until he had brady throwing him the ball.....

suggesting ingram at #10 after running a 4.6...is amusing at best....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I say pick Mark Ingram with 1st rd and Colin K. with the 2nd rd...

Posted by: priceisright | February 28, 2011 9:45 AM


With a draft like that, the price is wrong...DEAD wrong...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Then why is it such a big need for this team?

Two words, Bug Eyes.

Posted by: wireman65 | February 28, 2011 9:56 AM

LOL! Funny and true.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

"Greg, 100% co-sign on Newton...my hope is that Dallas falls in love and throws their franchise into disarray by burning the 9th pick on his overrated ass..."

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 8:52 AM

Agreed, but I really think that Dallas' slurping of Newton was typical NFL pre-draft BS designed to get some quarterback-needy team drafting below Dallas to trade up on draft day if Newton is still sitting there at nine. I can't see even Jerruh being stupid enough to burn a top 10 pick on a QB when there don't appear to be any "can't miss" QBs this year and he's already got a pretty good one in Romo (even if he does go brain-dead on occasion).

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | February 28, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I remember reading about him a few weeks ago. Folks saying he has Haloti Ngata-type work ethic and motor. At 290-300, he seems a little light to try and play NT, though.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 8:29 AM


Seems to me if folks up here were ready to start painting Von Miller's helmet burgundy and gold, Paea isn't too small to play NT. He's got great strength and plays with good leverage so I don't see why he wouldn't be a fit there when Ratliff (also around 300 pounds) mans that spot well for Dallas and he's not nearly as strong as Paea. I'd still prefer Phil Taylor at this point, but if Paea is still on the board when we pick in Round 2 I think he's more than worth it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 8:37 AM
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I wouldn't pencil Paea in at nose tackle. As witnessed by his bench presses, he's got the upper body strength. What I'd be concerned about is the leg strength. I doubt the knee is a big problem, but it does raise a few concerns.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Even if Newton is any good, if the CowPatties pick him, they'll be sealing their QB controversey for the next two seasons.

Super!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 28, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

suggesting ingram at #10 after running a 4.6...is amusing at best....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 9:56 AM

Agreed not at 10...but his burst the first ten yards was near the top...not sure how that attribute fits into Shannys running scheme.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I say pick Mark Ingram with 1st rd and Colin K. with the 2nd rd...

Posted by: priceisright | February 28, 2011 9:45 AM


With a draft like that, the price is wrong...DEAD wrong...

Posted by: brownwood26
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Hey that's how I would play it but since I'm just BS'n on a blog at work (unrelated to an NFL team) it really doesn't matter, right?
I like Ingram, I don't think Miller, Dareus, Fairley will be there. Jones would be nice too but we can get a decent WO in FA.

Posted by: priceisright | February 28, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"The beauty of the fat-load 350 pound 3-4NT is that he can leverage more weight and put the burden (literally) on the Olineman to try to push him back."

There's an ugly side, too. First, it's a lot more difficult to move all that mass, so if you can catch him leaning the wrong way, there's usually a lane right past him. Second, the extra strain on those fragile joints over the course of a season.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't pencil Paea in at nose tackle. As witnessed by his bench presses, he's got the upper body strength. What I'd be concerned about is the leg strength. I doubt the knee is a big problem, but it does raise a few concerns.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 10:04 AM

Hate to break it to ya, but his knee is the only reason he's slated to go in the 2nd round...otherwise, he'd be right up in the late 1st round.

I think we should go for Phil Taylor...10th overall if need be. But I just have a feeling they'll go QB there (especially if Gabbert is still on the board) and we need a NT in a bad way. Even if Paea only plays at a high level for 5 years, that's a decent shelf life for a NT in my opinion...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"Colin K. with the 2nd rd...Posted by: priceisright"

Colin had a poor throwing workout yesterday. Off on his receivers throughout. He ran great in the 40 however.

Scouts had him as a 3-4 rounder, then boosted him a round after the Senior Bowl week, and now have him back down a little ways...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

scamp- I don't brag and I don't pick fights. Although if you gained 50lbs I'd love to fight you.

You've always been good with me scamp and once again I'm not a fighter on a f'n blog.

Here you go...I like scamp and frak and any idiot that takes the time to post on this sjk blog.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 1:56 AM |

It's all good D. As I said, it was a joke anyway. Besides, I'm 36, it's been a good few years since I've put up my dukes. But even at 60lb. disadvantage I'd still do it because I always enjoyed it. They didn't really have MMA when I was combatively active but I did enjoy boxing, wrestling, and Jiu Jitsu (before the Brazillian variety was widely known.) Not to mention the usual brother brawl and drunken bar fight.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

"I don't even care who we draft anymore. I'll just watch it on TV and hope the pick is not completely retarded. So many holes to fill that BPA is probably the best way to go."

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 28, 2011 9:23 AM

Probably the only advantage to having a multitude of needs is that there is guaranteed to be someone meeting one of them whom the 'Skins can draft at ten without reaching. Other than tight end, I can't think of a single position group on offense or defense that couldn't stand upgrading. That's why it doesn't make sense to reach at ten for a QB, a NT, or any other position.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | February 28, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

suggesting ingram at #10 after running a 4.6...is amusing at best....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 9:56 AM

The only amusing thing about it is because we have so many other crucial holes to fill.

Ingram did nothing to hurt himself at the combine. He's a complete RB, not a track athlete. He goes top 15 guaranteed.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

If Cam Newton goes to Dallas he'll be guaranteed to fail (except once a year against us on national TV).

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 28, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"Did anyone watch Ponder throw? How did he look on the out routes and deep ball?Posted by: PAskinsfan17"

Supposedly it was Ponder's precise throwing after Cam that put Newton in a poor light. Chris has always been accurate underneath and showed good distance as well.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm not fighting D44 or scamp...

...I'd like a shot at hessone though.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

No i asgree about the scheme that was the whole point. And yes he did "blow up" at TTech. Leach was his HC and Dana Holgorson was his inside receivers/slot coach. Holgorson went on the be the OC for Michal Creabtree at Tech then the OC for Justin Blackmon at Okst.
My point was Welker when given a proper fit has produced numbers previous to NE. As a smaller player he ust neeeded to be given a chance. Thats why size and height is not the end all be all to analysis of a football player.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 28, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I heard Ponder was the most accurate yesterday.

Maybe a good choice in the 2nd round.

With that 10 pick, it needs to be a playmaker.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 28, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

According to the NE coaches at the time, they went out and signed Welker precisely because they had faced him with Miami and nobody on their defense could stay within a couple yards of the guy. In other words, he was killing the Pats and they wanted him on their side.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm not fighting D44 or scamp...

...I'd like a shot at hessone though.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 10:17 AM

The blog niceguy? Seems kinda boring don't you think?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

iH8dallas

I heard Ponder was the most accurate yesterday....Maybe a good choice in the 2nd round.

Welcome aboard.

We've been riding the 'Ponder in round 2' bus all by our lonesome self this Spring.

We want a dominate interior defensive lineman @ 10.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I say pick Mark Ingram with 1st rd and Colin K. with the 2nd rd...

Posted by: priceisright | February 28, 2011 9:45 AM


I'll assume this was some sort of joke-post and leave it at that...

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

suggesting ingram at #10 after running a 4.6...is amusing at best....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Very true, especially since there are other RB's, like the dude from Illinois, that we might be able to grab in the 2nd round.

My hope is that we go Defense the 1st two rounds and Shanny can pull a RB out of his hat in the later rounds, but I wouldn't be too mad if we got a decent one in the 2nd.

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

The blog niceguy? Seems kinda boring don't you think?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2011 10:22 AM

Yes, it won't last very long but I have to work my way up the ranks.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm not fighting D44 or scamp...

...I'd like a shot at hessone though.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 10:17 AM

There are so many blogfights on RI... I can envision a forum where we set up some kind of RI combat video game link. Blog Fighters could pick their style (MMA, Boxing, street fight, etc.). Combatant strength, skill, and stamina could be determined by answering some random list of Redskins trivia questions or something.

We could all log in, either as spectators or combatants. In victory, you would gain strength, stamina, and skill; in defeat you would be weakened and temporarily banned from RI.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I think we should go for Phil Taylor...10th overall if need be. But I just have a feeling they'll go QB there (especially if Gabbert is still on the board) and we need a NT in a bad way. Even if Paea only plays at a high level for 5 years, that's a decent shelf life for a NT in my opinion...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse


I'm happy to pass on Phil Taylor in the first, and go with a beastly 3/4 OLB pass rusher at that spot; then go with Paea in the second.

Between Paea, Anthony Bryant, and Cheaper Giant Fat-Arsed FA NT To Be Named Later, we could patch together an effective middle of the 3-4, assuming we are upgrading at the other ILB spot (read: sign healthy D'Qwell Jackson as ILB)

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

...I'd like a shot at hessone though.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 10:17 AM


I've seen hess fight...didn't end well:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pij1wlJWVFo

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"Colin K. with the 2nd rd...Posted by: priceisright"

Colin had a poor throwing workout yesterday. Off on his receivers throughout. He ran great in the 40 however.

Scouts had him as a 3-4 rounder, then boosted him a round after the Senior Bowl week, and now have him back down a little ways...

Posted by: Samson151 |
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Hey, if they can trade back that first pick and pick up a 3rd rd pick and take him with it that would be great, if they can get him cheaper then that, cool.
I just think the body of work and the skill set are impressive. The combime might not have been his Superman moment but 10k passing and 4k rushing is nothing to shake a stick at. His TD stats are also pretty good too and low INT's. I just think the kid has a good arm, good accuracy and enough tools to build himself into a better pro QB.

Posted by: priceisright | February 28, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

suggesting ingram at #10 after running a 4.6...is amusing at best....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Very true, especially since there are other RB's, like the dude from Illinois, that we might be able to grab in the 2nd round.

My hope is that we go Defense the 1st two rounds and Shanny can pull a RB out of his hat in the later rounds, but I wouldn't be too mad if we got a decent one in the 2nd.

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse


I would be hopping red-faced furious if we used ANY pick in this draft on a running back (or a tight end).

There's simply no rational justification whatsoever for the Redskins doing that unless 31 teams somehow forget that Mark Ingraham was in this draft and he falls to us in the 6th round.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't pencil Paea in at nose tackle. As witnessed by his bench presses, he's got the upper body strength. What I'd be concerned about is the leg strength. I doubt the knee is a big problem, but it does raise a few concerns.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

He'd be good as a DE, but some positions shouldn't be picked in the top 10 of the 1st round, and they are G, FB, and DE.

It's ashame he got injured and has slid out of the 1st round in most mock drafts, maybe in the 2nd round at 41?

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, pfunk...co-sign.

Don't know much about Jackson, though...hasn't he been hurt in Cleveland quite a bit?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I can imagine Diesel and Scamp fighting like Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly in Stepbrothers. Screaming rape and swinging golfclubs at each other.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 28, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I heard Ponder was the most accurate yesterday....Maybe a good choice in the 2nd round.

Welcome aboard.

We've been riding the 'Ponder in round 2' bus all by our lonesome self this Spring.

We want a dominate interior defensive lineman @ 10.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I remember last year thinking that Ponder and Mallett would go in the mid first round. If they are available in the second that would be awesome for us. The thing that worries me is the number of QB needy teams at the top of round 2. I could see Buffalo, Cincy, Arizona, San Fran, or Tennessee grabbing QBs. I could also see someone like a Minnesota or Miami swapping picks with NE and taking a QB at the top of round 2. There might be slim pickings by the team we're on the clock.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 28, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, pfunk...co-sign.

Don't know much about Jackson, though...hasn't he been hurt in Cleveland quite a bit?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse


It's only one injury that he's been taking a long time to rehab from.

He suffered a torn pectoral 6 games into the 2009 season which IRed him (note: he was on his way to having another vicious season - 58 tackles through 5-6 games).

At the start of 2010 training camp, the team docs determined he hadn't fully/properly healed from surgery #1 and should therefore get surgery #2, so they IRed him again on the spot.

He'll be 28 years old, but spared 1.5 years of football wear-tear.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

To me, we'd be best served trading back (if someone is desperate enough to wanna come up to 10th), get a NT with the late 1st rounder, and go QB with the 2nd rounder. But that's just me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Cosign x 100.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 10:17 AM

The blog niceguy? Seems kinda boring don't you think?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Think ying and yang, we're total opposites. I'm the blog bully, he's the blog niceguy.

You complete me PlayAction!!! lol

Now shut up and give me your lunch money!

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

My hope is that he falls to #10, and several other dope organizations - Minny, Miami, Jax - who may want him will trade away a draft haul with us to get him.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Cosign x 1000

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

My hope is that he falls to #10, and several other dope organizations - Minny, Miami, Jax - who may want him will trade away a draft haul with us to get him.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Cosign x 1000

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

While I don't disagree with that, the 350 pound fat load is carrying 350 pounds on his knees. That'll do as much damage to himself as it will any C/G...

Like I said, I'd rather get Phil Taylor but barring a REALLY nice trade back, I doubt we'll get him unless we reach at 10. Paea's game seems to fit the NT spot well, regardless of what the scale says.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what Paea weighed in at the Combine. I'm hearing 300#. But he started 2010 season listed at 311#, and is still only 22 yr old. He should be able to add some weight to his frame.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 28, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

More than likely Miller will be gone by the 10th pick... unless a trade-up ...oops forgot.. there is nothing to trade!

Posted by: rlomax67 | February 28, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Beathard was definitely forced out by Gibbs. It started with drafting Darrell Green that made Gibbs furious. It ended when Gibbs forced the trade of two #1's and a #2 for Gerald Riggs. Once Gibbs took over, the personnel blunders started to mount, e.g. two more #1's for Desmond Howard. These are facts, folks. My best friend still works for the Redskins.

Posted by: lp_lodestar | February 28, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

every year we have a chance to get a franchise qb and every year you guys in the media find a way to talk the skins organization out of get a qb what is wrong scared of drafting a qb TAKE A QB at 10 someone i say if blaine gabbert is there take him he is the best qb in the draft and a qb is not there trade back
we need a face of the franchise

Posted by: tjohnson6 | February 28, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Unless Miller is caught smoking weed, affiliates with the Tea Party or insults a Jew, he's going to go before #10 (most likely even with the weed). Take a quarterback, take Newton. It will provide two years of interest in the Skins, you can get rid of McNabb and look to get rid of Grossman in 2012. And few quarterbacks are great as rookies, it will provide both cover and anticipation.

Posted by: Nemo24601 | February 28, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

@tjohnson6
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Unfortunately for us, the team decided to get "inspired" and win against the Jaguars.

Winning that game ensured that we're going to finish "out of the money" with the 10th pick. Gabbert will probably be gone, so will Von Miller and Green and Jones, the WRs. The DLs Fairley, Bowers and Dareus will be gone also. I hear the Cowboys are looking at CB Peterson, so we'll have to settle for the best available player at 10.
This was the draft that we really needed to pick around 7th in, I expect that's where the early action will be. This year picking 10th we don't have any juice.

Colin Kaepernick would be a good pick for us as a developmental QB, but we'll have to make a move to get him. Picking him with our second rounder is too high, but hoping he drops into the 4th when we pick again may be wishful thinking.

If we have to reach in the 1st, I would hope it would be for an interior O-linemen or RB Mark Ingram. As much as I like Jake Locker and think that the Shanahans might like him, he simply hasn't been impressive.

There's nothing really wrong with Ryan Mallett other than being too heavy at 240-250 lbs and perhaps too slow to set-up because of it, but I don't know if the Shanahans like tall, statuesque QBs-they don't appear to.

Too bad the Shanahans did such a hatchet-job on McNabb's reputation, we might have suckered the Cardinals, Bills or Vikings into a trade and acquired some more picks, but the Shanahans wouldn't shut-up with the anonymous backbiting, oh well....

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

EXCUSE ME!! diesel44!!

If Von wants to even "PRETEND" to play like Clay Matthews; SIGN HIM NOW!!!!!!!!

is that ok????

Posted by: rayrayjay17 | February 28, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

".Aaah, to have a stud GM like Bobby Beathard calling the shots."

Bobby did a lot of weird stuff, too. Trading away all those #1's, spending high picks on people like Brian Davis -- Beathard was your basic riverboat gambler. At the time it was widely believed around DC that Gibbs made up for Bob's mistakes... unfair, of course, but Beathard had a little Jim Zorn free-spirit in him.

Posted by: Samson151 |

I think you missed the 80s... There was an owner named Jack Kent Cooke, that would oversee both Gibbs and Beathard.... and now it's Danny Boy that's screw up this team for 10 Years... and more to come if he does not stop meddling...

Posted by: TKing1 | February 28, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

What a waste of time......trying to predict or wish what the Snydermen will do in the draft and free agency. Why do I even waste my time reading about it, I must ask myself. We all need to save our time and energy for being dissapointed over the end result, the losing record we seem to have every year. Stop buying tickets. Stop buying jerseys. Turn off the television. Little Danny will eventually start losing money and will sell the team to a responsible owner. That's the only way we will win again.

Posted by: Howsthathopeandchangeworkingforyou | February 28, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I think Miller solidified his spot in the top 5 after the Combine. He won;t get past #5 in my opinion http://bit.ly/NFLMockDraft2

Posted by: lech112 | March 1, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Bobby did a lot of weird stuff, too. Trading away all those #1's, spending high picks on people like Brian Davis -- Beathard was your basic riverboat gambler. At the time it was widely believed around DC that Gibbs made up for Bob's mistakes... unfair, of course, but Beathard had a little Jim Zorn free-spirit in him.

Posted by: Samson151
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Absolutely true. Man, can we romanticize the past. Beathard was LUUUCKY that Gibbs could make lemonade out of some his lemons.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I think we all just need to relax a little bit. Free agency hasnt really even started yet. I think we can fill a few holes in free agency and then we still have the draft. We all must remember that last yr there really wasnt a free agency period because all of the good players were restricted so technically this should be Shanahans first chance to upgrade the roster.

Posted by: wattsicon | March 4, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

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