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Early Reflections

A few things stand out off the top of my head.

The front office structure will need some overhauling. If Gibbs is a consultant and not team president, then who will be atop the personnel pyramid? Vinny Cerrato? Will Gibbs retain that (as a consultant that would be quite rare)? In the end, as Joe said again yesterday, Snyder has a massive say in their moves and acquisitions, so his voice remains. But you have to wonder how they figure out the front office. Also, heard from a bunch of people around the league who say that if Bill Cowher ever did come here, he would to have his own personnel people in place, which would mean no more Vinny, and this owner has a very close relationship woth Cerrato.

Also, if Gibbs was going to retire, why did he even speak about the QB situation at all? Why not leave it alone? Was it that important to go crazy about Collins and stir things up for Jason? As a consultant to Snyder Joe would have say in some matters, but not picking starting QBs or opening up competitions. Odd that Joe would even go there.

But the few definitive things he did say were that he wanted Collins re-signed and that he wanted to retain his staff. If you read the tea leaves, going to bat for the staff, and wanting his guys to get another contract out of this, would mean that you stay in-house.

But with this franchise and this owner, you just never know.


By Jason La Canfora  |  January 8, 2008; 10:39 AM ET
 
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Posted by: dave197391 | January 8, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Any coach would want professional football people picking the groceries. You don't get the feeling that is Vinny.

The real question is, if it is Gregg, who is making the personnel decisions? Does Gregg only get the job if he accepts Vinny as his boss?

Posted by: RedBee | January 8, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Or, he might not have fully decided to leave when he spoke yesterday. Given the indications he'd stay, it's reasonable to assume that his mind changed quite late in the process.

Posted by: tbenderbender | January 8, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

"Stir things up" for JC?

What exactly has the kid won?

Answer: Nothing.

Ergo, he deserves a chance to compete, and that's it.

If he proves he can shoulder the load, fine; if not, then TC will play, I'm sure.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 8, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I assume we need to interview 5 coaches including at least one minority coach before this gets sorted out?

Posted by: miguelpenaloza | January 8, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs spoke about the QB situation because he was ASKED about the QB situation. Don't remember him volunteering information. He was probably noncommital because he knew he was leaving and would not be making that decision.

Posted by: Lisa | January 8, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

hire a GM, get rid of Ceratto, promote GW to head coach and defensive coach, keep Saunders as OC. Their, all the major moves are done.

Posted by: dave197391 | January 8, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Mike and Mike also said the Pete Carroll would be a likely candidate. After the Spurrier fiasco I don't see Snyder going that way at all.

Between Williams and Saunders I'd lean to Williams. He really seemed to get alot out of the personnel this year. It'd be nice if Saunders stayed as OC for continuity's sake

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 8, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Honestly I hope Gibbs has the good sense to step aside fully. He casts as long a shadow as any man where the skins are concerned and my feeling is any influence even if it's just perception will be detremental to the teams ability to hire and retain quality coaches and front office people.

How is that for a run-on sentence?

Posted by: Skinz | January 8, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs could have been talking up collins and a "competition" because he wanted collins to resign because he is a valuable backup. you have to play to qb's confidence and psyche's

Posted by: jjvettickal | January 8, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I still remember Pete Carroll's stint as Jets HC.

NO THANKS.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 8, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

OSTED 9:58 a.m. EST, January 8, 2008
WILLIAMS HAS NO GUARANTEE by Michael David Smith
A league source tells PFT that contrary to popular belief, there is no guarantee in the contract of Redskins assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams that he will either be Joe Gibbs' successor or receive a bonus payment from owner Dan Snyder.
Multiple media reports have indicated that Williams had been promised either the head-coaching job when Gibbs left, or, at minimum, that Snyder would pay Williams a million-dollar bonus if he were not offered the job upon Gibbs' departure.
But in reality, there is no such deal in place. Although Williams' contract pays him a higher salary to run the defense than some NFL head coaches make, Williams won't necessarily get a big check from Snyder if he isn't named the Redskins' next head coach.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 8, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

If they do a complete front office overhaul I'd love to see them poach the GM from Green Bay. Don't know his name but he's turned that team around pretty quickly, particularly on defense. Of course it helps they have Farve on offense but who really thought they'd be this good again this fast.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 8, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

D7 Reposting:

I'm listening to Gibbs press conference from yesterday on Redskins.com- can someone clarify the comments made regarding JC and how he's not the man? I haven't heard it yet.

Sad to see Joe go. I agree that GG is important to maintaining stability with this group of players. As for a D-Coord, why not Greg Blache? Heard nothing but good things about him. Anyone else mention him?

Pete (D7 on different computer)

-Also nevermind on the 1st part- just heard it.

Posted by: PRutski | January 8, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Given that Gibbs is remaining with the organization, I have to believe that Williams will be the next coach. Gibbs has always been loyal and Snyder listens to St. Joe.

I wonder what this means for Weird Al? Would he work for GG? Since Collins is Al's guy, maybe that was the root of Joe's non-committal stance towards Soups???

Too many questions - I only hope that Williams is quickly introduced as the head coach. Consistency and no turmoil is what this organization needs right now.

BTW, as a USC and Skins fan, Pete Carroll as the Skins coach is a lose-lose proposition to me.

Posted by: CBT | January 8, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

mtnskinsfan - I believe the GM of the Pack just signed an ext. I could be wrong, but I think I read that in the past couple of days....

Posted by: bigmurf08 | January 8, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Clearly he was non-committal on the Qb front because he won't be making the decisions. Why say who the starter will be if you won't be the one picking him?

He also left the door wide open so that Collins wouldn't have every reason in the world to look for a job elsewhere.

He left space for the new head coach to pick a starter and he left the negotiating door open for Collins. Seems like he did the team a favor instead of naming a starter and splitting and putting the new coach in a precarious situation.

Posted by: bhayesp | January 8, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

If Saunders goes, what does our offense look like moving forward? Also, if Saunders leaves, we can assume Collins will as well. Hoping we hire Williams as head coach and retain Saunders as OC/assistant head coach. Continuity is vital for both scheme and morale reasons.

Posted by: quinnskins | January 8, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Very sad. Thought we might be getting some continuity going. Hopefully Williams gets the nod for HC, especially if that is what the players are saying that they want. Feels like they really grew together as a team this past month. Don't want to see that change by a new coach's crew. Not sure if I still want Al Saunders, but it might be interesting to see what he can do without any handcuffs.....

Posted by: dlhaze | January 8, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I agree that it will interesting to see what Saunders can do without handcuffs. In KC he the top offense for a few years i believe.

Posted by: dave197391 | January 8, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

if saunders doesn't stay, there are OC's out there like cam cameron. also, assuming the gregg williams gets the job, they could hire grimm away from the cardinals for OC.

Posted by: jjvettickal | January 8, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Not really surprised to see Gibbs leave after what had to be one of his toughest season's. Between Sean Taylor's death, his grandson's illness, coaching gaffes, and then to rally the team to the playoffs he probably felt it was time. Maybe like at the end of Gibbs 1.0 he also recognizes that this team has major holes. Three starters on defense lost to next year (or most of the season anyway) to injury or death. Offensively they'll need at least an OG, RT and another WR. That's quite a free agency/draft shopping list.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 8, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

gregg williams should be HC. no doubt about that. anyone else (maybe other than saunders) and this team falls apart.

as for d-coordinator; one name that i bet will be hot is kirk olivadotti (sp?). like JLC posted earlier, his contract is expriing, and i remember reading stories on how impressive a young coach he is. he seems like one of those up and comers, and i'd be willing to bet there is a lot of outside interest in him from other teams. possibly a name for new DC if gregg stays on?

Posted by: psps23 | January 8, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Regarding JC's confidence, I think Joe Gibbs was probably speaking both for himself and/or for Al Saunders, who likely would have more personnel control going into next year. He left the situation open. Had he stayed, I still think Joe would have declared open competition going into next year's camp with the idea that JC would pull ahead in the end but he'd have proper motivation to emulate what Collins does well, and get a confidence boost feeling he'd earned it. I still really like Campbell, but if he wanted a job where he wouldn't get his confidence shook periodically, he should have maybe tried accounting. This is professional sport. You always have to compete. Always.

Posted by: DCUnited2 | January 8, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

they could hire grimm away from the cardinals for OC.

Posted by: jjvettickal | January 8, 2008 11:11 AM

How would they do this? Grimm is under contract to the Cardinals. He is not a free agent. Redskins can't even talk to him without the Cardinals' permission.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 8, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

mtnskinsfan - I believe the GM of the Pack just signed an ext. I could be wrong, but I think I read that in the past couple of days....

Posted by: bigmurf08 | January 8, 2008 11:05 AM

Not surprised. Even if he hasn't he's probably under contract anyway.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 8, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Russ Grimm isn't OC material. He'd make a great head coach though. He wouldn't leave AZ to make a lateral move, even to the Skins.

Posted by: makalb18 | January 8, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"Gibbs spoke about the QB situation because he was ASKED about the QB situation. Don't remember him volunteering information."

Lisa hits the nail on the head. How did JLC miss this?

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | January 8, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I thought I was going to be able to finally get some work done this week. Now I am nervous all over again and will have to keep an eye on the damn RI blog every 5 minutes till we find out who's taking over.
On a side note, somehow the Seahawks fans will be able to find a way to congratulate themsleves for this. I guess I'm just a typical whiny deadskins fan though.

Posted by: dlhaze | January 8, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

It just occurred to me that there is a big difference between the resignations of Joe rev. 1 and Joe rev. 2. This time he will remain part of the organization. I am not exactly sure what that means, but I have to think that a certain continuity will remain.

The more I think about this, I bet there is an "understanding" in place w/ Williams (and possibly Saunders). The organization will still abide with the Rooney Rule, but I expect GG to be named head coach within a week.

Posted by: CBT | January 8, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

they could hire grimm away from the cardinals for OC.

Posted by: jjvettickal | January 8, 2008 11:11 AM

How would they do this? Grimm is under contract to the Cardinals. He is not a free agent. Redskins can't even talk to him without the Cardinals' permission.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 8, 2008 11:14 AM

Isn't his title Asst HC? Otherwise a move to OC would be considered a step up and the Cards would likely let him go. The skins still have to get permission to interview him first.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 8, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I think your making too much out of Joe's statements about TC v JC. Everyone in the NFL faces competition on a daily basis. Collins played great the offense clicked and as Gibbs said Jason has a great future with the Redskins, and they should and do want Collins back. They are solid at QB.

Posted by: pat5387 | January 8, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

If Williams does become HC and Saunders stays in charge of the offense, it will have an impact on the QB choice for next year and beyond. Williams would be on his second -- and probably final if he fails --stint as an HC. With that pressure he's going to want to win, not suffer through the continued learning curve with Campbell.
And, Saunders has always preferred Collins running the offense and would love to show the NFL that he still has it...that he was handcuffed by Gibbs and Campbell. Not trending well for the Skins or Campbell if Williams is coach. Personally, I think you go with Campbell and continue building toward a franchise-type QB. The real shame in all of this is Collins not being the QB once Saunders took over. How much better would it have been for Campbell to have spent last year learning how the offense should run, rather than watching Brunell sputter and wheeze out there.

Posted by: bbake | January 8, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

mtnskinsfan - i don't think his retirement had anything to do with holes in the team. like he said in his press conference, he was disappointed in losing so early in the playoffs because he truly believed they could have gone all the way. that would not have changed for next year, especially with players like Randy Thomas, Jon Jansen, and Carlos Rogers coming back. it wasn't like in 2005, when we realized brunell couldn't last a full season and carry us in the playoffs. i know i was ready for a full breakout season next year, and i think gibbs believed that too.
this season just took a toll on him. its not easy dealing with the adversity he has had for the last year.

Posted by: psps23 | January 8, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: dave197391 | January 8, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

teams generally don't hold coaches back from other opportunities and grant permission to interview. didn't we hire marvin lewis away from the ravens?

Posted by: jjvettickal | January 8, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs stepping aside doesn't change the fact that this team as constructed and the coaching staff hasn't warranted the handing over of the reins without at least a full and through evaluation. If you're going to change the philosophy and the system - now is the time to do it and stick to it.

Posted by: bendersx6 | January 8, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"I still really like Campbell, but if he wanted a job where he wouldn't get his confidence shook periodically, he should have maybe tried accounting."

Posted by: DCUnited2

No way Jason could cut it in accounting. Tax season would kill him.

Posted by: isnadd | January 8, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Snyder is a fool. He once again claims a GM is not needed.

Gibbs 2nd tenure was basically a waste of time.

Look for a major mistake out of Ashburn with this next hire.

Gibbs' next major role for Snyder will be to head up the coaching search for Snyder in two years.

Posted by: gdennie | January 8, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Stir things up for Jason? ARe you kidding me? What kind of idiot writes an article like you did the day before the Skins playoff game, where you interview Jason Campbell and bait him into saying something to the effect that "Uh, I've been in the system for 20 games and that doesn't compare to 8-9 years in the same system (a la Todd Collins)"

Who stirred the pot there? IN that case, for Todd Collins, just a day before he was to start the most important game of his career. Bad judgment there JLC!

Posted by: 2greekdc | January 8, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

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