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EB Is Back

Redskins running backs coach Earnest Byner will be back with the team for the 2008 season, league sources said, after interviewing with Tampa Bay for the same position last week. Byner spoke to Bucs Coach Jon Gruden yesterday, league sources said, with the sides mutually agreeing to go in a different direction and Byner citing his long ties to this area and affinity for the organization, then signing his one-year deal with the Redskins.

He's done a great job with the backs these past four years.

With Byner back, quarterbacks coach Bill Lazor and offensive assistant Bob Saunders, son of former associate head coach Al Saunders, are the only assistants in limbo. New offensive coordinator Jim Zorn will coach the QBs, and while Lazor could be re-assigned pending the hiring of a new head coach, he may also be let go as well (Saunders is trying to help Lazor find a job with another team, league sources said). It's virtually certain Bob Saunders would not be back, with his father fired and the Redskins running a new offense now, though he had a year remaining on his contract, which complicates things a bit in terms of an offset settlement. Bob will likely join Al in St. Louis.

The Redskins have one vacant spot on the staff right now - defensive line coach. Larry Brooks, who has a strong relationship with defensive coordinator Greg Blache, interviewed for the position but was not hired yet. The team could interview other candidates this week yet still hire Brooks (league sources said former Denver D Line coach Andre Patterson is one possible option).

Former Redskins assistant head coach - defense, Gregg Williams, has drawn strong interest from Jacksonville, Dallas and Tennessee - sources said his agent had several lengthy meetings with Cowboys owner Jerry Jones in Arizona during the Super Bowl festivities - and Williams could decide on his destination shortly (he would also has one year left on his deal with the Redskins, so the lawyer may have ot get involved to untangle that web as well).

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 5, 2008; 9:46 AM ET
 
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please oh please do not let Gregg end up in Big D

Posted by: alerner | February 5, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I really hope double G don't to go with Dallas. I would hate to see him twice a year after the way Dan handled things.

Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Well, at least CP and the crew can maintain a little continuity. That's what's most important up here, continuity, right?

Posted by: pulldownclaw | February 5, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

4th

Posted by: saltynuts | February 5, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Agreed...

Gregg Williams in Dallas would be a twice a year nightmare... we know this in this area from Gilbert Arenas... never underestimate a chip on a shoulder

Posted by: ramanning | February 5, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

'The Redskins have one vacant spot on the staff right now - defensive line coach.'

Uhhh...how about head coach? That's kind of a big deal.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 5, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Etrod -

Get a life! I'm sure Jason knows the head coach job is not filled yet. He has always used "staff" to differentiate lower level coaches from the head coach. Don't be such as wise-ass.

Posted by: beyes | February 5, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Please go to Dallas, double G!

Would love to watch the Cowboys defense play statistically good football for 3 and 1/2 quarters, but never make any game changing plays (i.e. turnovers/sacks) and then give up key drives at the end to lose the game.

Posted by: jgarrisn | February 5, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

whats up gang slow news day....

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 5, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

There is some other stuff about Spagnuolo that is tilting me that way. Stuff about having started in the NFL as an intern under Bobby Beathard in San Diego (i.e., personnel experience) and special teams stuff in NFL Europa. http://www.giants.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=10

Also, I think Blache is a professional and that, having already accepted a "demotion" (from having been a DC for the Bears to then being a line coach under Williams), it doesn't seem like he would feel slighted if they brought in a defensive minded HC.

Also, I like the term "fire blitz".

It also occurs to me that having worked inside two of the organizations in NFC East means tons. The best the Skins can hope for in Division is 3-3. If there is any chance that Spagnuolo can tilt that to 4-2, then that could make all the difference.

That said, I still think next year will be another "transition year" ... again.

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm on a blog in the middle of a weekday...how much of a life can I have?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 5, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

please oh please do not let Gregg end up in Big D

Posted by: alerner | February 5, 2008 09:50 AM

Even though I'm a Redskins fan, it would be fitting if Williams ended up in Dallas and stuck it to Snyder and the rest of us after the way the organization treated him this off-season.

Posted by: stwasm | February 5, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Williams holds any grudge towards the redskins organization ie. players and fandom... It was pretty much universally our want to see him as Gibbs successor... If he holds a grudge it is against Vinny/Danny and I can't say that I blame him. Not because he was passed up but because of the way the whole thing has been handled.

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 5, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins hire Spagnuolo, don't worry about Williams in Dallas. Worry about him in New York.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 5, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

4th

Posted by: saltynuts | February 5, 2008 09:54 AM

You rang??

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 5, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

good point TE!

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 5, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

And if Williams ends up in New York, do you think that he might be able to motivate Antonio Pierce to attach the Redskins?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 5, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"New offensive coordinator Jim Zorn will coach the QBs, and while Lazor could be re-assigned pending the hiring of a new head coach, he may also be let go as well (Saunders is trying to help Lazor find a job with another team, league sources said)." - Jasno

I understand that Seattle may have a vacancy at QB coach.

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I also fear Williams more in New York than Dallas, though I fear him in Dallas as well ... its not like DeMarcus Ware isn't just getting warmed up ... and that Strahan isn't reeling in the years ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Flapjacks isn't going to Dallas unless he's the D-Coordinator and last I heard, they've already got one.

Astute point about his possible move to NY but I'd be surprised if that happens. More likely I think is Jacksonville. Although their hesitancy is confusing. No matter, he'll be a D-Coordinator somewhere and hopefully we won't be playing against his team twice a year.

At least I have the Madden Redskins.

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 5, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't Strahan close to retirment before this season? Maybe the ring will encourage him to hang it up...maybe?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 5, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Great, great news about Byner!!

Posted by: Flizzo | February 5, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Dallas does not have a D coordinator. They have made an offer to Capers, but he has not accepted. Anyone's guess whether the offer has been pulled for the time being. Also, even LB coach in Dallas is going to make more than a DC in Jacksonville ... position coach is a fine place to park yourself while you're waiting for bigger things. See the Super Bowl Bears' DC, Ron Rivera, moving to LB coaching SD.

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure Strahan is going to hang em up ala Bettis after the Steelers win.

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 5, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

If Williams goes to Dallas, great. He's not a 3-4 guy, which is the type of personel that Dallas has, and he'll be saddled with Roy Archuletta at safety. I'm not that worried, and not even taking into consideration that absolutely NOTHING concrete has happened yet.

Good news about Byner. Glad he's back.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 5, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

GG can go to dallas and be LB and Asst. Head Coach much like Mora is in Seattle, so that isn't the hold up i wouldn'think. The thing that is weird to me is that Gregg is a 4-3 guy and they run a 3-4.

I would think Jacksonville but they don't pay like dallas would.

Posted by: Skinz | February 5, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Etrod, Strahan was hemming/hawing just this past offseason about hanging up his mouth guard (which is no small task). I also sense this would be a good time to leave and focus on his first and only true love ... making Subway commercials.

[Also, could you rephrase that question is a wise ass, lifeless way?]

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Sween, dallas does have a d coord Brian Stweart.

Posted by: Skinz | February 5, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Dallas does not have a D coordinator. They have made an offer to Capers, but he has not accepted. Anyone's guess whether the offer has been pulled for the time being. Also, even LB coach in Dallas is going to make more than a DC in Jacksonville ... position coach is a fine place to park yourself while you're waiting for bigger things. See the Super Bowl Bears' DC, Ron Rivera, moving to LB coaching SD.

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 10:22 AM

You're right, I hadn't realized that Capers hadn't accepted the gig.

That being said, the Cowboys run a 3-4 and Flapjacks runs a 4-3. Not sure how that would work out for them.

As to Ron Rivera, there weren't a great number of jobs available at the time and the Bears went cheapo on him. Gregg has at least 3 possibilities at the moment if not 4 and he's make a mint from the Skins meaning that his economic motive shouldn't be as strong (say, to accept a lower level, higher paying job with the Cowboys).

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 5, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, how's this?

SRAHAYNN WAS GON 2 RETYR B-FO THE SEASON AN NOW HE WILL FO SHO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 5, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Spags longtime experience with the eagles and more recent experience with the giants is HUGE. Further, nearly everyone agrees that Dallas is a team that will be on the decline the next couple years. If next year is a rebuilding year and we come away with a losing record, i'd atleast like to have the satisfaction of knowing we went 4-2 or 5-1 in the division.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 5, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/020408dnspocowlede.327af39.html

No D-Coordinator yet in Dallas. They've got a bevy of FORMER defensive coordinators, but no official DC.

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 5, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I have to say, that if the Cowboys are going to have a talented QB, I'm sure glad he's a pretty boy, crack under pressure guy like they have in Romo.

It's the best you can hope for as a Skins fan. The media falls in love with him. He puts up great fantasy numbers. There's talk of him being the 2nd coming of Farve. And then, in back to back seasons, he blows it in the playoffs. Good times.

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 5, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I imagine Mrs. Williams might have a dog in this pony show. Williams has high school age kids ... and is still due a paycheck bigger than what alot of head coaches make. It wouldn't be a complete surprise to me if he took a few "Mariucci years" off ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Romo actually shined in the last two seasons' playoffs, except for the last play of the game ... the play that could have won the game ... the play where the Jerrah was on the sidelines ... the play when all of America was watching ... that play.

Agreed: good times.

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else notice Giselle Bunchen in the sky box at the Super Bowl? Who knew she would be Tom Brady's Yoko Romo?

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"I really hope double G don't to go with Dallas. I would hate to see him twice a year after the way Dan handled things."

That's exactly why I would love to see him go there. He knows all of Campbell's weaknesses. :)

It would serve Leprechaun Danny right.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 5, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I read that Spag's first NFL job was with the skins. Is this correct? It said he was player personnel.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 5, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Spagnuolo served as a training camp intern for the Redskins in 1983 -- his first NFL job -- and was a defensive assistant for the Philadelphia Eagles from 1999 to 2006 before going to the Giants.

WT

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 5, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I don't get the whole mentality of claiming to be a fan of the team, but wanting Gregg Williams to destroy the Redskins if he goes to the Cowboys??

They seem to be mutually exclusive of each other. I don't agree with everything Snyder does, but I still want the Redskins to win. I don't want the Redskins to lose to smite him, that makes no sense to me.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 5, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I don't get the whole mentality of claiming to be a fan of the team, but wanting Gregg Williams to destroy the Redskins if he goes to the Cowboys??

They seem to be mutually exclusive of each other. I don't agree with everything Snyder does, but I still want the Redskins to win. I don't want the Redskins to lose to smite him, that makes no sense to me.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 5, 2008 10:51 AM

Amen

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 5, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I would be surprised to see GW in Dallas, but he could have a first class defense down there. I think dallas personnel is much better than what he had here in Washington. I still think GW got more out of this defense than most would have. I think the major concern with GW as a head coach, is his attitude and personality. He is very head strong and arrogant. Needed attributes for this job, just think he's over supplied in both areas. He does have a great defensive mind, given (coachable)players he could dominate.

Good luck to GW, he'll land on his feet.

I'm not connected enough to know how the lower line assistants perform. I'm not sure how good Blache, Byner, Lazor, etc really were. I hold the defensive results to GW and the offensive results to AS. Team results to JG. Before AS, JG had two of the three.

This said, I'm sure Snyder is messing up this coaching change. I don't understand how you can hire 80-90% of the coaching staff before hiring a head coach. It doesn't make sense. Four years with Gibbs at the helm,keeping dannyboy quiet was nice. Now we get the full blown DS crap - again. IMO, it has taken him a mere four weeks to totally screw up this team, again. His next step will be go out and find some overpriced, underacheiving free agents. I really think Dan Snyder wants to win, he just doesn't know enough to get the job done. He needs to hire a super general manager and let that guy take care of business. Truthfully, I thought JG shouldn't have had that power, either.

This team needs talent and a lot of it. We're weak at almost every position now. We have players, just not enough and age is creeping up on some. You have to be out there for 16 - 19 games, pulled muscles and age injuries just won't cut it anymore.

Losing Rocky, Carlos, and Sean on d - really lowers our talent level. Marcus is showing signs of age, Springs is always nicked up, Fletcher has age, and our defensive ends are undersized. No depth at any position on defense, except maybe def tackle.

Offense. Our line is really good, but they can't stay healthy. Bugel done a great job this year. (that was one standout lower line coaching effort I can recognize) We may have some depth here, based on last year and players performing. I still think we need some young start up players. Samuels is great but getting old. I'm not sold on Jansen coming back and playing a full season. Wide receivers, have we had any healthy for the last several years? Moss is great but pulled muscles all the time hinder his play. Randal El is solid, but he pulled one, too. I liked the old guys they brought in for a quick fix third rec, but their gone. I think Mix may have a small upside. We need a bunch of receivers. Someone healthy and making cuts to get open. Pulled muscles and wide receivers don't go together, ever.

RB. CPortis is all-around great. Age is catching up with him. Ladell didn't play much this season but wasn't impressive. We need a mobile guy that can catch and create in the open field. We need a big power back to get short yardage. Not sure what happened with Sellers playing this role. We couldn't pickup up short yardage all season long. Think about that Giants game.

Posted by: Rando | February 5, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

This has nothing to do with Byner, but I've been hearing that Snyder has become a Scientologist and that was the main reason Gibbs decided to leave when and how he did.

Anybody heard anything like this before.

I was going to post at ExtremeSkins, but if true I was afraid somehow Snyder might revoke my season tickets.

I am 100% serious about the rumor. It may be just that. Wonder if anybody in the know had heard anything similar.

Hail!

Posted by: lingering_lead | February 5, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why people are insistent upon providing false information regarding the d coordinator position in dallas.

Brian Stewart is the D Coord in Dallas. The only spot opening is for a LB position. All those links to websites don't say anything about DC positions open.

Posted by: Skinz | February 5, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I heard on DC 101 this morning that Jimmy Johnson was coming to DC to meet with Snyder. Anyone else hear this, or is this just another curveball?

Posted by: Big_Money20 | February 5, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

So, Dan Henning was hired as Miami's OC.

Redcoat, you're gonna have a little bit a redskins running through your dolphins' vein........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 5, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"I don't get the whole mentality of claiming to be a fan of the team, but wanting Gregg Williams to destroy the Redskins if he goes to the Cowboys??"

Why not?

You could just add him to the list of players/coaches that Snyder treated like crap who came back to haunt the Skins.

He wouldn't be the first.

I don't want the Skins players to lose either, but Snyder is a jerk and he fully deserves that kind of stuff.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 5, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

A good buddy of mine married a woman whom is second cousins with the executive producer of the NFL Network. So he was talking to one of the nephews of a cousin of his, whom talked to an intern at NFL Network, and he confirmed that the next head coach of the Redskins will be Jerry Glanville. Sweet.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 5, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Skinz, title-wise, Blache was the defensive coordinator for the Skins last year and Don Breaux was the offensive coordinator. Dallas' "real" defensive coordinator this past season was Sparano, who joined the expansion Miami Cowboys.

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Jimmy Johnson is too old to get back into coaching. I beleive he is pretty much the same age as Gibbs. The only thing about this rumor that would "fit" is the fact that he probably wouldnt want to go through the hassle of putting together a staff - because he's old and really doesn't have any connections in the NFL now.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 5, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

The opening in Dallas is for Associate Principal Deputy Head Coach - Defense.

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Ray, I was unaware of such a list. Can you elaborate?

Furthermore can you quantify how Snyder treated Williams like crap? And don't just say by not giving him the job, please list SPECIFIC things.

Thanks.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 5, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Vermiel is still giving quotes to Big Media, which is one of the important jobs of the head coach in the Skins' management structure. Signing him would be a big plash.

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Furthermore can you quantify how Snyder treated Williams like crap? And don't just say by not giving him the job, please list SPECIFIC things.

Thanks.

Posted by: gregmarino88

Do you read the POST or ESPN.com? Go read them.

Posted by: mul | February 5, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Jla can you get some inside info soon?

The Dallas thing is way way old.

Posted by: mul | February 5, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Wonder how Spagnuolo's visit to Toad Hall is doing.

Is the weather good down there, for the ceremonial tree cutting? Critical part of the interview.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 5, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Another former head coach remains out there ... Dom Capers. Is it fair to hold the Texans against him? Is his last name delicious on a bagel with cream cheese and red onion? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capers

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I don't mul...can you elaborate? please list SPECIFIC things

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 5, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The DC position in dallas is technically filled but that didn't stop Jerry Jones from interviewing Capers for the job.

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 5, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Also, though the name isn't correct, the guy on the far left sure looks alot like young Skywalker.

http://www.70slivekidvid.com/kids.htm

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I heard on DC 101 this morning that Jimmy Johnson was coming to DC to meet with Snyder. Anyone else hear this, or is this just another curveball?

Posted by: Big_Money20 | February 5, 2008 11:18 AM

Nascars Jimmy Johnson, hes not meeting with snyder, with the big W.

Posted by: SAK2 | February 5, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Not capers so much as stunts, per se.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 5, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

So, who thinks we'll announce a head coach hire tomorrow?

Later this week?

Next week?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 5, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Sween that wasn't directed at you.

Jerry Jones promised Stewart he would retain play calling duties.

I read it somewhere. Sorry that I can't source it at the moment.

Also, don't forget that Philips is a D coach like Williams is a D coach. So it's not like anyone who is hired is going to to be running the D in title or in fact.

Here is from the Dallas site if this sheds some light.

While some will debate what the game meant in a historic context, it might help settle the NFL coaching carousel. And the potential domino effect could play a role in the Cowboys' attempt to finalize their own coaching staff.

Last week, the Cowboys interviewed veteran defensive coach Dom Capers for an unidentified position on the staff. The Cowboys have just one vacant spot - linebackers coach - but it appears as if head coach Wade Phillips has considered creating a consultant-type spot for Capers, who has been a head coach twice in Carolina and Houston and spent the last three years as the Dolphins' defensive coordinator.

Over the weekend, the Cowboys reportedly met with former Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, possibly for the same type of assistant position as Capers. Unlike Capers, Williams does have experience coaching linebackers, a position he held in Tennessee before becoming the Titans' defensive coordinator from 1999-2000.

Posted by: Skinz | February 5, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

gregmarino88 I hope you are joking. To keep the man on hold after interviewing him 4 times. Not talking with him for over a week. The to let him after all the head coaching jobs are filled.

Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I think everything Ive read is saying we are hiring this week.

Posted by: SAK2 | February 5, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

OK but I got to go soon. But please use your memory next time.

He had 4 interviews and Snyder did not inform him or the coaches of the decisions in a timely manner, left hanging in the wind for days. He left it to Gibbs to call him after reports came out. Not good after this season.

Did not 'from all reports' offer to keep him on as DC after doing an outstanding job 3/4 years. Again not good. Just released from contract AKA fired.

Dan, Vinny, or what I think was a piece-o-crop PR hack put out "disrespectful to Gibbs" to three news organization (last part is a fact). Dan did not step up and apologize like a man, just said "who me".

PR hacks (not hard to spot) came up in hear big time and blamed everyone but Snyder for everything bad in the world (no class on so many levels).

(In a normal world)
Interview - We want to go in a new direction. Would you like to stay as DC. No OK good luck on things.

There you go, file this away.

Posted by: mul | February 5, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I would guess tomorrow would be too early, esp. if the first chat with Spagnuolo goes well. I'm thinking before Friday, which is reserved for breaking bad news, esp. around the end of the workday before it can get picked up by the evening news. I say Thursday.

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

sween- Yes, yes, yes on your Capers thing. But you left out the smoked salmon and sliced tomatoes!

Posted by: 4-12 | February 5, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm still not convinced that Williams was treated all that wrongly. But agree to disagree on that point.

I'm not defending Snyder in any way, nor am I a PR hack mul, but have we gotten all the facts from BOTH sides? Nope. Nor do I think we will. None of us know what went on during those 4 interviews so for any of us to try speak eloquently regarding this matter is disingenuous.

Again, for the sake of being argumentative, lets agree to disagree.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 5, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I have to agree with Thursday. He won't announce today unless it's Fassel (the news cycle is dominated with Super Tuesday and he would take less criticism) and he won't announce tomorrow if it's Spags (he'll want to do his due diligence). That says Thursday at the earliest to me.

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 5, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

To keep the man on hold after interviewing him 4 times. Not talking with him for over a week. The to let him after all the head coaching jobs are filled.

Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2008 11:44 AM

jm220--Why this is worse that waterboarding!

Look, none of this is unreasonable. We don't know what they said in those four interviews. Snyder may have offered him the job, but under conditions which he wouldn't accept.

And the people who are still candidates have been waiting longer than they kept Gregg waiting.

As for the other head coaching jobs, no one was interested in him. No one had his name on a list of potential head coaches. He missed his chance two years ago, when he was hot.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 5, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I think Spagnuolo would be a great hire. Much better than going the retread route with Fassel or Mariucci. Spagnuolo had a lot to do with the Giants success this past year, is a proven coordinator and has the hot hand. The fact that he coached in both New York and Philadelphia is an additional plus, and working under both Bobby Beathard and Charlie Casserly early in his career doesn't hurt either. As for inheriting a full staff of assistant coaches, Jon Gruden had essentially the same situation when he went to Tampa. Seeing as how he won the Super Bowl his firrst year there, I'd say it worked out pretty well.

Posted by: billyrich | February 5, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

ESPN Radio reports that Spags is interviewing with Snyder as we speak - he is missing the parade.

If true, that speaks volumes. I doubt Spags would miss the parade if he didn't already have a *wink-wink-nod-nod* deal in place with Danny Boy.

Posted by: CMoney1 | February 5, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

You people are a hoot! I am not a fan of Snyder, but let's be real about his "treatment" of Williams. First, he was paid as much as any head coach was. Second, he could have interviewed for ANY HC job at any time. He had no offers.Period. Does that tell you anything??

Posted by: Ireland2 | February 5, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

So, Dan Henning was hired as Miami's OC.

Redcoat, you're gonna have a little bit a redskins running through your dolphins' vein........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 5, 2008 11:20 AM

Podsted that last week 4th!! Still, I wouldn't expect you to scoop me on Fins news. :)

If Shockey comes available I wouldn't be surprised to see us take a run at him too, we need a pass-catching TE and he's a Miami guy.

Might help the Skins a little to remove half of next year's Shockey/Boss threat too!

Also Capers has lost a step. Remember he was the DC of 1-15 Dolphins this season and he seemed to be in denial about the realities of his defense the whole year. We were getting picked apart in games and still he wouldn't blitz to give our awful secondary a prayer.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 5, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

OK but I got to go soon. But please use your memory next time.

He had 4 interviews and Snyder did not inform him or the coaches of the decisions in a timely manner, left hanging in the wind for days. He left it to Gibbs to call him after reports came out. Not good after this season.

Did not 'from all reports' offer to keep him on as DC after doing an outstanding job 3/4 years. Again not good. Just released from contract AKA fired.

Dan, Vinny, or what I think was a piece-o-crop PR hack put out "disrespectful to Gibbs" to three news organization (last part is a fact). Dan did not step up and apologize like a man, just said "who me".

PR hacks (not hard to spot) came up in hear big time and blamed everyone but Snyder for everything bad in the world (no class on so many levels).

(In a normal world)
Interview - We want to go in a new direction. Would you like to stay as DC. No OK good luck on things.

There you go, file this away.

Posted by: mul | February 5, 2008 11:48 AM


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Maybe you havent had an interview in a really long time, but i work for a large bank and i interviewed several times and was "kept on hold" for nearly a month before i was hired - thats life dude. Why should an NFL job entitle interviewees to be kept in the loop on everything thats going on through the whole interview process? its unreasonable.

Daniel Snyder did Gregg a FAVOR releasing him so he could get a job somewhere else or take a year off and STILL get paid... for doing NOTHING. 2 million dollars for doing nothing... talk about a severance package.

Also, you have no evidence that snyder/cerrato had ANYTHING to do with the rumors that double g had disrespected gibbs. they both flatly denied it... just like williams flatly denied making those statements. So really, it all depends on who you want to beleive.

Finally, i'm so sick of everyone acting as if Williams is a choir boy. Williams is known to have a temper and personality problems. Snyder and Cerrato are not. it is far more likely that Williams said or did something to make Snyder not only not want him as HC, but also not retain him in the organization.

Gibbs retired BEFORE FULFILLING HIS CONTRACT... screwed Snyder over and left him in the lurch. Snyder gave Williams FOUR INTERVIEWS to see if he could make it work... and obviously williams shot himself in the foot. If Gibbs had been a man of his word and fulfilled his contract, we wouldnt be going through any of this mess... and we could have landed cowher next year. There are very few good candidates available this year and Snyder is doing the best he can.

Stop criticizing him until you know all the facts - you dont. i don't. Lets just see how it all plays out. A month or two after we have a new coach, and Williams has a job, i expect all the facts to come out.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 5, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I hope Gregg gets the most out of the Redskins. Take all the money you can, don't give up a penny. I hope he stays on our division and shut the skins down. Go Gregg.

Posted by: opita | February 5, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

RC, if you guys got him you'd be getting a very good player. I had to chuckle though, when instead of being on the sidelines with his teammates, he was up in a luxury box, surrounded by about 4-5 cups of booze. Funny...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 5, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Second, he could have interviewed for ANY HC job at any time. He had no offers.Period. Does that tell you anything??

Posted by: Ireland2 | February 5, 2008 12:12 PM

Because everyone and their mother was reporting that the job here was here. Who is going to interview him if they think was going to be the coach here?

Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Etrod, Strahan was hemming/hawing just this past offseason about hanging up his mouth guard (which is no small task). I also sense this would be a good time to leave and focus on his first and only true love ... making Subway commercials.

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2008 10:24 AM

Strahan's gotta eat Subway for lunch to offset his daily breakfast of "pancakes, bacon, and some egggzzzz."

Posted by: freakzilla | February 5, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

hope Gregg gets the most out of the Redskins. Take all the money you can, don't give up a penny. I hope he stays on our division and shut the skins down. Go Gregg.

Posted by: opita | February 5, 2008 12:18 PM

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I hope you don't pretend to be a redskins fan. How can you put your loyalty to a defensive coordinator above the team? coaches and players come and go. sometimes they part well. other times they don't. And by all appearances, this was an amicable split - both williams and snyder have said so publically. Heck, Gregg is getting a $2M severance package for his service here. You are NOT a redskins fan. Have fun following DoubleG and rooting for him whereever he goes, since he is obviously more important to you than the burgundy and gold.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 5, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

If Shockey comes available I wouldn't be surprised to see us take a run at him too, we need a pass-catching TE and he's a Miami guy.........

I was thinking the same thing RC. Boss has made Shockey expendable. But, I think he stays with the Giants one more year before he gets moved........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 5, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I hope Strahan does come back next year.

He may be a pain in the butt to you guys but in an era when so many players are fungible it's good to hear someone who's a genuine character.

Greg, I saw those shots of Shockey at the game, he's certainly Livin'la Vida loca!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 5, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

LOL, RC, I can imagine Coach Coughlin approaching him:

TC - "Jeremy, you can either stay here on the sidelines, and encourage your teammates, or you can watch from a luxury box"

JS - "Is the bar stocked?"

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 5, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking the same thing RC. Boss has made Shockey expendable. But, I think he stays with the Giants one more year before he gets moved........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 5, 2008 12:27 PM

Depends on how he recovers 4th. The giants may decide his maximum value to them now is before he sets foot back on the field. If he doesn't look good when he does that, his value might plummet.

As virtually our entire staff has transplanted from the NFC East now, I wouldn't be surprised to see us raid the teams from that division for some players.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 5, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Seth.Lemaster, I agree with your assesment of Gibbs 100%. If anyone is to blame it is him.
As for Williams, I agree he is not the choir boy many would like to believe, but then again, the way his situation was handled by Snyder and Cerrato leaves a lot to be desire, in my opinion he got screwed. We will never know what really happened between those three; it seems to be a personality conflict, I just think he deserved better. I think he and Saunders have shown a lot of class the way they handled the difficult predicament that Gibbs left them. I hope they do well.
I don't wish bad on Snyder or Cerrato. I just didn't like how the handled it all.

Posted by: opita | February 5, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

They seem to be mutually exclusive of each other. I don't agree with everything Snyder does, but I still want the Redskins to win. I don't want the Redskins to lose to smite him, that makes no sense to me.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 5, 2008 10:51 AM

"Real Old Testament, wrath-of-God type stuff!"


"Spite" him, perhaps? :)

Posted by: freakzilla | February 5, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Seth.lemaster. we crossed postings.
Once again you are right. I am not a Redskin fan, I am a football fan. Two different things.
Again, I hope he gets all he can from the Redskins. I feel no sorrow for that organization, it is a business and that is it.

Posted by: opita | February 5, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

LOL, Freak, good call.

Spite was the word I was searching for. Thanks...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 5, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

That's a shame, I was looking forward to seeing a good old-fashioned smiting!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 5, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Who is going to interview him if they think was going to be the coach here?

Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2008 12:21 PM

Anyone who wants him to be their head coach. They can try to offer a better deal. But, in Williams' case, no one wanted him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 5, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"Snyder gave Williams FOUR INTERVIEWS to see if he could make it work... and obviously williams shot himself in the foot."

you have absolutely no basis for this argument. williams could have very well been strung along the entire time, and snyder could have been planning on leaving him in the dust. remember, it was originally reported that williams withdrew his name from the position, and not that snyder decided to rescind williams' candidacy. then the redskins released williams from his DC position, in effect "firing" williams from any connection to the organzation. in the end, it looks like the redskins "cut" williams because he wasn't adequate for the job, but my belief is that williams just wanted out because he was fed up with snyder and the FO and he knew that this organization would be in chaos without Gibbs holding the respect of everyone there.

generally speaking, you don't just "give" interviews to people. especially more than one interview. you don't say after the 3rd interview, "gosh, i really want it to be williams, but he keeps shooting himself in the foot. maybe i'll give him one more chance to impress me."

at this point, anything is possible. it could have been that williams was unwilling to cooperate with snyder. but given his past history with personal relations, it seems much more likely to me that snyder was the culprit here. when signs come out that the skins PR department were ready to say that GW disrespected gibbs, then steadfastly deny it as the story's broken, it all seems very suspicious. like snyder has an agenda against williams, but was caught trying to set it up, and decided to cover it up before it got out of hand. reports like those generally don't appear out of thin air.

as far as williams not getting interest outside the redskins, he did have slight interest from the dolphins. not much, but it was there. and it had been widely reported that he was the head coach-in-waiting after gibbs retired. teams shy away from going after guys like that. it would be like a team thinking about going after jim caldwell next year. it won't happen, because he's been reported to have that "clause" in his contract. much like williams was reported to have that as well.

Posted by: psps23 | February 5, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Spagnuolo would be a great coach. The fact that he worked for Jim Johnson in Philadelphia for 7 years makes him eminently qualified to be a successful head coach in the NFL. The job he did against the Patriots was incredible considering the Giants' secondary versus Brady, Moss, Stallworth, Welker, et al. I think he would be glad to have Blache in place as DC. I also think they would draft a defensive lineman in the 1st round with Spagnuolo as head coach. Which would be a good move for the Redskins, since Phillip Daniels is nearing the end of the road.

If Spagnuolo turns us down, hire Meeks. He is the best choice between Fassell, Mariuchi, and Meeks. We already play the Cover 2. We need quick linemen who can put pressure on the QB. Meeks does this in Indianapolis.

The only questions are will Zorn be able to coach the offense to be productive and will Bugel stick around to coach the offensive line?

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | February 5, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Since we are back to dice rolling with the Redskins instead of consistency, continuity, team identity, and a long term plan, Spags is a good roll.

Fassel is a snake eyes roll. Even Norv had the best of that guy. Back in the day, was there concern by anyone anywhere about going against a "Fassel Coached" team?

No matter who gets hired, this whole thing still feels like Lions east. I fear the Skins are headed into the long dark tunnel so familiar to Lions fans.

Not much to root for here in "Old DC" but it would be fun to see someone like Spags give Head Coaching here a try. What have we got to lose?

Posted by: mi-ti-bear | February 5, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I could see a conflict with Manboobs and Roy "The Big Whiffer" Williams. As bad as he could be in GG's system, he'd probably still make the probowl.

Posted by: Dorf | February 5, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

If Shockey comes available I wouldn't be surprised to see us take a run at him too, we need a pass-catching TE and he's a Miami guy.........

I was thinking the same thing RC. Boss has made Shockey expendable. But, I think he stays with the Giants one more year before he gets moved........


Posted by: 4thFloor | February 5, 2008 12:27 PM

We need a pass catching TE? Really? Have you not heard of the offensive force named Chris Cooley?

Chris Cooley: 58 catches a year/4 seasons
Shockey: 61 catches a year/6 seasons

Same yards per, Cooley has more TDs. Cooley is not a maniac, alcoholic.

How could you possibly call yourself a Redskins fan and not know that Cooley is vastly better than Shockey all things considered?

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 5, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, that should have said that Cooley has the same number of TDs in less time.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoolCh00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/ShocJe00.htm?redir

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 5, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

The only questions are will Zorn be able to coach the offense to be productive and will Bugel stick around to coach the offensive line?

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | February 5, 2008 12:52 PM

Bugel is definitely coming back, and I think he may have signed a contract extension. As for Zorn, we will have to wait and see. It always takes a couple of years to learn a new system.

Posted by: jimwell | February 5, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

sheidt - if you had read the original post. The part about needing a TE came from Redcoat's post. RC is a fins fan.

Posted by: BCBarney | February 5, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

That was a 4thfloor and RC Conversation. That's why you got confused. I was referring to Shockey to the Dolphins...

I am somewhat aware of a Mr. Chris Cooooley who plays for the Redskins of Washington via Ashburn, Va, via Landover, MD

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 5, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: psps23 | February 5, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

And the people who are still candidates have been waiting longer than they kept Gregg waiting.

As for the other head coaching jobs, no one was interested in him. No one had his name on a list of potential head coaches. He missed his chance two years ago, when he was hot.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 5, 2008 11:59 AM

GW was most affected by the delayed decison, because (other than Fassel) all the other candidates already had jobs.

Fassel, on the other hand, has ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD to wait. No one else will be competing for his time.

And evidently, Snyder has kept Fassel somewhat in the loop, letting him know he's still a top choice. Reports suggest that Snyder and Williams didn't talk for 12 days after his last interview, and GW reached out to Gibbs who encouraged him to stay in the hunt 3 times in a 4 day span--before the rumors started circulating about GW badmouthing Gibbs during the interview.

It sure looks like GW was treated badly from what we've been told.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 5, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 5, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, must have missed that while I was at lunch. The Dolphins could definitely use Shockey, although I'd fear for all the legally aged college women in South Beach, were that to pass.

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 5, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

for the poster who assumed there was some "wink wink" agreement with Spags because he's missing the parade to interview is preposterous. the man is interviewing because he has a chance to possibly make the final upward move to become a head coach. opportunity is knocking my friends. and we know how a coordinator can go from hot to cold in the span of one season....see Mike Singletary & others.

i'd be shocked if Spags were the guy but as the "hot coordinator" off a Superbowl winning team, he earned the right to interview.

and for those who can already proclaim he'd be a great coach, that too is preposterous. tell me who besides Bobby Beathard thought Joe Gibbs would give the Skins a shot at hoisting Lombardi Trophies after Pardee was fired? Nobody, not me.

Posted by: gregorygibson | February 5, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

and furthermore, while it may seem out of order that snyder and co have signed coordinators before the head coach and for those who are calling for their heads, consider the fact that there just may be a method to their madness. 2 coaches (Spags & Mooch) were still under contract through the Superbowl and were not permitted to formally interview for openings. and we've learned that Fassel, Meeks & Mooch all are ok with the 2 coordinator hirings.

i just can't fathom the impatience some of us have at waiting out this process. you expect the owner to give you hints or just disclose who his favorite is? that's like the judges telling us who Miss America is before they vote on the final contestants. in this world, we want a T Bone steak ready in Steakum minutes. somebody's sitting on this blog waiting for the next post so they can put "First" on it.

i too am against Fassel. i personally think Meeks or Mooch get the nod and have a feeling we'll know before the weekend.

Posted by: gregorygibson | February 5, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Meeks or Mooch should be OK as well.

My knock on Mooch is he is a good driver of a car that is already built and tuned (San Fran). In Detroit, he didn't do so well building the car. Also, his Detroit tenure was marked by loose discipline and structure. Mooch's position on this was that the players are professionals and, as such, should not need a coach to make them do the right things or take away their professional judgement as to how to best prepare themselves for the season and for the games. Maybe that approach worked in SF when he was there but I would say it probably does not work for most teams (non-skins example - Cincinatti Bengals - seems like that crowd of underachievers needs a coach to kick them in their rears early and often).

Meeks is an unknown to me but like Spags appears to have a good potential as a Head Coach. Who knows where the next Gibbs will come? Much more exciting to try Meeks or Spags.

Anyone but Fassel, please, God, er, I mean Mr. Snyder. (God, with 6 billion years left on his contract, retired after a huge buyout by Snyder. Snyder plans to turn heaven into a Six Flags Fun Park and Resort)

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