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A 24-10 Loss -- and Maybe More

You often end up with a long injury report after playing the Ravens, and Washington's season is in limbo now, with Chris Samuels, Clinton Portis, Chris Horton, and Jon Jansen among those hurt.

The Redskins could not stop the blitz when the Ravens really attacked and Terrell Suggs and Ed Reed dominated the game. That 12-play, 83-yard march in 8 minutes - with 11 straight runs and an obvious dose of fullback Le'Ron McClain - was about as soul-sucking a possession as I have seen in a long, long time. They knew what was coming, but Baltimore stacked the line - as it has in the fourth quarter all season - and the Redskins could not hold up.

This game wasn't as close as the score would seem to indicate. Washington's longest drive was 47 yards, and its only scores came off gift turnovers from the defense deep in Baltimore territory.

They can't match up against defenses like this, and even beating Cincinnati will be a big chore if Samuels can't go. That Eagles game is looming as well, and Philly will certainly steal from the same template used by Dallas, Pittsburgh, New York and now Baltimore.

[Editors' note: Seems like a good place for a poll]

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 7, 2008; 11:26 PM ET
 
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Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | December 7, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

pathetic showing, this team doesn't deserve a playoff spot!

Posted by: realchica | December 7, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Let me be the FIRST to say the Samuel/Jansen injuries may be a blessing in diguise, Instead of restructuring their contracts to give them each 70000 million extra $, we may actually have to move on and rebuild.

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

LOVE BEING 1ST IN A LOSS

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | December 7, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

F*ck Dan Snyder

F*ck Vinny "GM" Cerrato

F*ck Jim Zorn and his offense

F*ck the O and D line

F*ck a duck.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | December 7, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

done

Posted by: The_Spear | December 7, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

WE SUCK AGAIN!!!

Posted by: hender_22 | December 7, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Goodbye Redskins and playoffs. What a bad performance by everyone. Can't say I didn't expect it though. Is anyone SO TIRED of Jason?? he'll never be anything but an average QB. I can still remember when we were 6-2 and in great position, now we are just freefalling and I don't know if this freefalling will end anytime soon. This team has no pride at all, Ravens were so much more intense than us. Heck, we could even lose to the Bengals next week, i wouldn't be suprised at all.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 7, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn is clearly out of his element. He cannot get it done right now. Can he get it done in the future? Who knows. But the guy has zero ability (or even inclination) to make adjustments. It's beyond awful. He's an elementary coach in a professional world.

And beyond that, the entire team is built backwards.

A west coast team playing in east coast weather.

A team where the highest priority for rebuilding are the positions furthest from the line of scrimmage.

A rookie head coach with a veteran, playoff team.

None of it meshes.

Even if this team lucks out and gets help from multiple teams to get to the playoffs, they have no shot at beating anywhere close to elite defenses.

Posted by: spizzle

Posted by: spizzle | December 7, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

where is the pride? the self-respect? the accountability for bonehead and lazy plays? i'd put it on zorn but we've seen too many coaches come and go over the past decade, some of whom had staked their careers on building character and playing mistake free football (gibbs, marty, etc.). the only constant variable has been the owner and front office. face it - the culture of this franchise is poison right now. and we won't see any change as long as the redskins remain insanely profitable and folks are willing pay $200 for an afternoon at fedex. it's time us disgruntled fans stood up and be heard. the best thing for this franchise would be a half-empty stadium for the final game against philly.

Posted by: thickman22 | December 7, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Are the Skins eligible for the Humanitarian Bowl? Or will we have to play in that RFK Bowl against Navy?

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 7, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Perpsective people. At the start of the season, the smart money said that we would end up last place in the NFC East, given that we had a rookie head coach and were installing a new passing game.

We were fooled by the early win streak, but this is what we are - a middle of the pack team that fluctuates from average-looking to mediocre based on the strength of our opponents.

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

We lost because Balmurr has a prettier stadium.

Posted by: ILikeSonny | December 7, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, excellent point. Time to stop jerry-rigging the O-line and build a real one. Nothing else matters if the QB is running for his life and the RBs are getting hit behind the line too often.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

This organization screwed up when it fired Marty Schottenheimer.

Posted by: richie_sheppard | December 7, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

We don't deserve the playoffs, not after how horribly this team has played. At least I won't have to worry about missing any playoff games if my kid is born in January.

Posted by: hobbes9 | December 7, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

AS I'VE WRITTEN MANY TIMES - A RUN TEAM trying to be SEXY PASSING, even though they CAN'T!!!

Posted by: tbarz1 | December 7, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

good call by vinny not to do his show tomorrow...

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

The o-line once a strength is in shambles right now. Age has completely caught up with this unit and reality is here smacking that booty forcefully.
All is not lost because a strong offseason of wise spending and decent drafting will have the Skins in the mix again. HTTR! From the womb to the tomb!

Posted by: elfreako | December 7, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Right on the money Spizzle. That may be the most accurate post I've ever seen

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 7, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

JLC - enough of the Ravens love! We know you are a Ravens fan but keep it to yourself tonight. Yes, their D is great -and ours was pretty darn good as well - but Flacco and their offense is overrated.

At least we can stop anticipating the playoffs because those hopes were dashed.

I've noticed we make the playoffs every other year and never the year the Ravens do.

It's going to be hellacious here in DC this week.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 7, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

List of awful Redskins things:

- no pass rush AT ALL
- no ability to pick up the blitz (see Steelers, Ravens, Cowboys)
- no downfield ability (Betts was our leading reciever)
- no middle passing game (if it aint Cooley on 3rd down every blue moon)
- no rushing game if Portis is out
- WHERE's the DEPTH!!! Kelly and Thomas are useless and we're 13 games in!

Its time to rebuild people. This team isnt winning anything as it stands now.

Posted by: zdebord | December 7, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, Zorn is in way over his head. How is he not getting more blame? I blame him more than Campbell. He absolutely cannot keep calling plays next year for this team to be successful. Look at Harbaugh, he delegated duties, and his team is 9-4.

Posted by: cmccarthy30 | December 7, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Perpsective people. At the start of the season, the smart money said that we would end up last place in the NFC East, given that we had a rookie head coach and were installing a new passing game.

We were fooled by the early win streak, but this is what we are - a middle of the pack team that fluctuates from average-looking to mediocre based on the strength of our opponents.

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2008 11:38 PM

Careful pfunk, I said this exact same thing 3 or 4 threads ago and some jacka$$ told me to go back to coaching a YMCA flag football team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

There goes the 11-5 season. Snyder should call Bobby Beathard and ask who they should hire after the Vinny fire. Zorn has forgotten how to attack. Whomever the QB is, he must make plays. Flacco is better than Campbell already; played in a passing system in college; tired of the "JC played in so many systems" nonsense. All passing systems come down to this: See the field and throw it to the open guy like Todd Collins did to beat the NYG in NY last year. Get to the playoffs now.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 7, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe they didn't give the Horse trailer player of the game to Jason Taylor. What a jip!

Posted by: ga8085 | December 7, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

This is the truth!

- the culture of this franchise is poison right now.

But where is the poison? It's somewhere, but where? And what?

Posted by: columbiard | December 7, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

everyone, and I say this as kindly as possible - SHUT THE HELL UP. we were within a TD in the 4th quarter and couldn't stop the run. We normally do but Ravens stepped up. We have issues. Zorn seems over his head at times. Not calling those timeouts to me is the worst message you can send. We need to fix the O-line, which might not be fully possible this year.

But this season ain't over. Thankfully ATL and DAL lost today. A win tonight would've put us back in control of our destiny. A loss means we must run the table and wait. We shoudl win the next three. Cincy (I'll be there) should give us a much needed boost on offense. Philly will be tough but we should scrap out a win at home. And then SF. If we can't beat those three teams, we don't deserve to make the playoffs. We will win them all and at 10-6, we will be 50-50 to make them.

Stop crying that all is lost. If the team listened to you all, we'd finish 7-9. Pathetic. Get a grip, get a clue and get some balls. Oh, and get some loyalty too - add that to the laundry list

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 7, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"Perpsective people."

Perspective?

This is a team (in particular an offense) that dominated against high pressure defenses in Dallas and in Philadelphia.

Since then, it's been a slow and painful regression to being one of the bottom 5 WORST offenses in the league.

The only reason there is an "upside" is because you can't get any worse than they are right now on offense.

I don't care if he's a rookie head coach, this is a bad offense that's getting worse. And Jim Zorn has nothing to say about it other than "execution."

Posted by: spizzle | December 7, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

The moves that HAVE to be made for next year:

1) Sign DeAngelo Hall.
2) Cut Washington, Jansen, dont resign Springs; find other high-priced vets that don't need to be here (Jason Taylor??) and dump them.
3) Draft O-lineman who can pass block.
4) Bite the bullet and go through a REAL rebuilding; not some paste-and-cut nonsense trying to a take a Gibbs-built team and turn it into a WCO-coached contender.

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Notorious...this team ain't beating Philly right now. You get a grip.

Posted by: cmccarthy30 | December 7, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

is it really fair to throw J-Camp under the bus when he doesnt even have enough time to drop back and get a read on his receivers?

yeah, he threw behind the RBs a couple of times on the 5 yard hitches, but that was when he was on the run, with multiple guys in his face. I don't think JC has played badly enough to be demoted, or even consider being demoted.

Posted by: kman2 | December 7, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

I've got Bengals tickets next week but am scared to freeze my balls off for what could be a very ugly game. I'll probably go though. I don't get to see my Skins up close much anymore. Oh well, maybe we'll squeek out a win with some rookies.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really control their own destiny?

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 7, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

JC is not to blame. With this o-line, Joe Montana would look like Heath Schuler. JC never gets to throw deep. He'll get mauled if he lets a play develop long enought to do that. Flacco was roaming around the backfield, walking from one hashmark to the other looking for a receiver.

Our problems begin and end on the lines, bus especially the o-line.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Careful pfunk, I said this exact same thing 3 or 4 threads ago and some jacka$$ told me to go back to coaching a YMCA flag football team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 7, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, that donkey was probably Vinny Cerrato trolling on RI under a fake name.

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

The moves that HAVE to be made for next year:

1) Sign DeAngelo Hall.
2) Cut Washington, Jansen, dont resign Springs; find other high-priced vets that don't need to be here (Jason Taylor??) and dump them.
3) Draft O-lineman who can pass block.
4) Bite the bullet and go through a REAL rebuilding; not some paste-and-cut nonsense trying to a take a Gibbs-built team and turn it into a WCO-coached contender.

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse


Sign D-Hall?!?! Are you kidding me? The next Neon Deion will hustle us out of 8 mil just like Primetime did...

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | December 7, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been too critical of Zorn and JC all season, but two things really stood out tonight. Zorn constantly calling play action, when it was clearly not fooling anyone, made no sense to me. JC needs to do a better job reading defenses, all his audibles were to runs, and the Ravens caught on to that very fast. And when he sees the blitz coming, he needs to get rid of the ball just a little faster. But overall, the O line still sucks and the D wilted when they needed them the most.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 7, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

where are all the people who were ripping jlc a new one when he was pointing out the major flaws in this team? We all knew, or should have known that this team had issues coming in.

We had a qb who had never shown anything more than a couple flashes, an rb who is reaching the end of his prime years and who always seems banged up. An old oline, a coach with zero coordinating experience, no hint of a pass rush (did anyone believe jason taylor was going to do anything). A top corner who is always injured, another one who is always just good enough, except when it matters, and one who everyone thinks is better than he is because he can talk.

A recieving corp with one playmaker in moss, who lets face it, has had 1 really good year in his entire career, and then a solid pass catching TE in cooley. Everyone else is junk.

So the question is where do we go from here. You start with the lines, but pretty soon your going to have to replace portis, because once rb's hit that wall they become pretty worthless, you better hope that thomas and kelly pan out because that receiving corps isn't scaring anyone right now. the LB corps is very thin, fletcher is getting up there, washington is over the hill.... wow, that was depressing, i'm going to stop now.

Posted by: djnune03 | December 7, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

year after year after year the same pathetic crap. so i guess every one of their draft picks are busts but horton. campbell? come on when has he ever looked really good? and hey, lets run 10 plays with 35 seconds left to try to get somebody hurt. im so sick of the deadskins and their super yuppie ownership. yet we fans keep giving them 20 billion dollars a year to be mediocre dolts....

Posted by: jacksonalex | December 7, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

when the Skins got their first field goal, they had a play action on 2nd and goal from the TWELVE YARD LINE. what kinda idiot would call a PLAY ACTION from there? even the worst defenses know that it's a passing down, and will chase the QB...what do you expect from the Ravens?

Posted by: kman2 | December 7, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Spizzle, the Eagles have used the WCO to great success in East Coast weather. It doesn't matter where its played. What's important is the personnel.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is like my boss. Someone who has great knowledge of their field, but forgets common sense and how to manage.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | December 7, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder + Vinny Cerrato

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | December 7, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

is it really fair to throw J-Camp under the bus when he doesnt even have enough time to drop back and get a read on his receivers?

yeah, he threw behind the RBs a couple of times on the 5 yard hitches, but that was when he was on the run, with multiple guys in his face. I don't think JC has played badly enough to be demoted, or even consider being demoted.

Posted by: kman2

Jason has not proven himself capable of leading a winning team. What is his percentage as a starter? You can keep playing the same record - 'but he has to learn a new system every year' - but it's apparent that he is incapable of actually mastering anything.

Posted by: Almazar80 | December 7, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore Ravens = the RIGHT way of bulding and rebuilding teams...

Washington Redskins = High priced trash...

Isn't obvious the offense has quit on Zorn?

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | December 7, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

"All passing systems come down to this: See the field and throw it to the open guy like Todd Collins did to beat the NYG in NY last year. Get to the playoffs now."

Posted by: Realness1

That's tough to do when the defense has your number and is calling out the plays even before the ball is snapped.

Jim Zorn's offense never had a shot today. His plays were read more often than JLC's blog.

Posted by: spizzle | December 7, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

God I hate Zorn's postgame necklace.

Posted by: cmccarthy30 | December 7, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

embarrassingly outcoached!


right on spizzle

Posted by: strom1 | December 7, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Wait..Portis was healthy, so you WENT with Betts, Zorn? Nice hire dumb asses.

Posted by: cmccarthy30 | December 7, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

""where are all the people who were ripping jlc a new one when he was pointing out the major flaws in this team? ""

****

I'm right here.

I rip JLA b/c he's an inconsistent little twit when it comes to his own positions and b/c he fuels a middle-school girl spat with the FO - not b/c he states the obvious about this team.

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

I'll say it again, Dannyboy made his millions from Ponzi and Pyramid schemes and he's doing it again with an NFL team...

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | December 7, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

There goes the 11-5 season. Snyder should call Bobby Beathard and ask who they should hire after the Vinny fire. Zorn has forgotten how to attack. Whomever the QB is, he must make plays. Flacco is better than Campbell already; played in a passing system in college; tired of the "JC played in so many systems" nonsense. All passing systems come down to this: See the field and throw it to the open guy like Todd Collins did to beat the NYG in NY last year. Get to the playoffs now.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 7, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Flacco 10-21 134 yds 1TD, 1INT

WOW!!!! He is great!!!!!

Posted by: must_be_eagles_fans | December 7, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't recall EVER, in 30 years of watching the Redskins, where an average of 4 defensive linemen rushed the QB on every passing play in every game for 13 games but almost NEVER get to the QB (we have the fewest sacks in the NFC, I think).

It's inexplicable. Are these D-linemen too small? Too fat? Too slow? Too weak? Too disinterested?

What the heck can it be?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Spizzle, the Eagles have used the WCO to great success in East Coast weather. It doesn't matter where its played. What's important is the personnel.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Since when? They've had success very early in the season over the years. Come playoff time, they struggle. They are far from a successful late season, cold weather team.

Posted by: spizzle | December 7, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Say what you want about the defense. Without them, we'd be 4-9 at best.

Posted by: cmccarthy30 | December 7, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Spizzle, the Eagles have used the WCO to great success in East Coast weather. It doesn't matter where its played. What's important is the personnel


The Eagles hired a coach, who picked "his guy" to be the QB. They didn't hire a rookie coach for a veteran team. It was a total rebuild in Phila

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 7, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Jason has not proven himself capable of leading a winning team. What is his percentage as a starter? You can keep playing the same record - 'but he has to learn a new system every year' - but it's apparent that he is incapable of actually mastering anything.

Posted by: Almazar80

And you can keep playing the same old record - 'what's his winning percentage?' - but his winning percentage will be like every other QB's winning percentage for the Skins since Gibbs 1.0. As long as the O-line gets run over by opponents, the Skins will never be a team you can count on to win consistently. Pre-JC, now, or post-JC.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 7, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

P FUNK,

You are exactly right!!!!!

FUZZY,

YES, SIGN D HALL.... HE MAY COST, BUT HE'S WORTH IT!

YOU COULDN'T BE MORE ON THE $$$$$$$ ABOUT THAT STATEMENT!!!

clegg

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 7, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Who wants to start a Skins boycott??

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | December 7, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

If it was just JC being unable to master the offense, I'd agree with Almazar. However, this ENTIRE offense has yet to grasp anything except turf.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | December 7, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Well, 7-9 is about what people thought they'd do this year. So why be so forlorn when reality meets expectations? The fact that this team is being outplayed and outcoached every game now is unsatisfactory, but in the absence of talent on the lines, on the receivers and a few other places, well, a few more years like this seem to be the best DC can hope for. Dan Snyder is just like the CEO of GM and Chrysler. Hoping for a bail out for years of mismanagement.

Posted by: Almazar80 | December 7, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Sign D-Hall?!?! Are you kidding me? The next Neon Deion will hustle us out of 8 mil just like Primetime did...

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | December 7, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

In about 3 games, Hall has as many INTs as the rest of our present corners for the whole year combined. Who do you say we sign? Carlos "Double-Move-With-The Stone-Hands" Rogers?

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

What does it take to get through to Danny boy and Vinny that they don't have a f'n clue how to run an NFL franchise. The game tonight was a replay of too many Redskin games over the last few seasons, the glaring weakness is the old, tired, slow, outmatched OFFENSIVE LINE. They can waste draft picks all they want on WR's, DB's and QBs, but no matter who you put at the QB position will run for his life with this Offensive Line. Big changes needed in the front office, get rid of this amateur hour Vinny Cerato GM or whatever his title is. Hire some new scouts, fire the Offensive line coach, Joe Bugel is still practicing loyalty to the "Hogs", his old guys who he sticks with, even though it is pathetic to watch them line up against the Giants, Steelers, Ravens, Cowboys defenses.

The Redskins have sunk to the level of the below average NFL teams like Kansas City and Detroit. So many wasted draft picks over the years, so many multi million dollar contracts given to washed up over the hill big name veterans, so many talented players traded away or let go as free agents. Geez the list is too long.

I've been a Redskin fan for 50 years,and this version is as low as it gets, it brings back memories of Otto Graham's coaching days and the pathetic teams of those days.

I'm also losing faith in Jason Campbell, he didn't show much last year, and he's too slow and too big of a windup in his passing motion. Reminds me of other washed up QBs who were supposed to save their teams like Daunte Culpepper.

Skins will lose their last 3 and look for Snyder and Vinny boy to clean house "again" in a hopeless search for a winning team. This is sad and I am in search of a new team to support.

Posted by: mikepem01 | December 7, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

I DON'T KNOW WHY BUT I DO BELIEVE IN ZORN?

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 7, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

It's inexplicable. Are these D-linemen too small? Too fat? Too slow? Too weak? Too disinterested?

What the heck can it be?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Don't seem to have the strength to collapse the pocket from what I've seen. But all the things you listed could be a possibility as well.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 7, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Play to your strengths, Zorn! Sellers moves the ball when he has it but you only gave him four touches. Devin Thomas is getting a few balls thrown his way, but he needs more, because he is finally figuring out how to use his strength to get away from defenders. I noticed Kelly was on the field, but I guess it makes more sense to bounce balls off Randal El's hands. And for Pete's sake, it takes so long for these blitzing defenses to send in the play and you complain about a lack of rhythm on offense, why don't you use the no-huddle offense throughout the game? You have a pretty mobile QB who is just getting creamed in the pocket. Why not design more rollouts?

When Samuels went down you put Geisinger on an island - a guy who never played tackle - up against one of the best pass rushers in the league! What did you think was going to happen??? With Samuels' knee bothering him, wouldn't it make a little more sense to have an extra offensive lineman on the active roster? Where was Rhinehardt?

Finally, please, please, get someone else to return punts. Randal El is worthless. DeAngelo Hall returned punts in college. Why not put him back there?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 7, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Say what you want about the defense. Without them, we'd be 4-9 at best.

Posted by: cmccarthy30 | December 7, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Amen.

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

EVER SINCE THE MID-90S WHEN I WAS OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER FOLLOWING THE 'SKINS THEY HAVE SUCKED. I'VE HAD TO FOLLOW THE HORRENDOUS NORV YEARS, THAT IDIOT SPURRIER, AND THE CONTINUING IDIOCY OF THE SNYDER OWNERSHIP. GIBBS COULD BE OUT OF THIS GAME FOR A CENTURY, RETURN BLIND AND DEAF AND STILL LEAD THIS TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS AT LEAST 50% OF THE TIME. ONLY GIBBS COULD DO SOMETHING RIGHT IN AN ORGANIZATION SURROUNDED BY BUFFOONS.

I AM GROWING SICK AND TIRED BEING HYPED THEN SH*TTING ALL OVER OURSELVES. THIS IS NOT A FOOTBALL TEAM. THIS IS AN EMBARRASSMENT.
HEY CLINT MAYBE YOU COULD PROTECT THE DAMN BALL IF YOU ACTUALLY WENT TO PRACTICE FOR ONCE.
ZORN, YOU ARE THE DUMBEST COACH WITH THE WORST SCHEME I'VE EVER SEEN AND YOU'VE DRIVEN A PROMISING SEASON COMPLETELY DOWN THE DRAIN. QUIT BRINGING CRAPPY AND WASHED UP SEAHAWKS PLAYERS TO THIS TEAM. SNYDER, YOU ARE STILL A JACK-A*S TO HIRE THIS IDIOT. HOW COULD YOU CONSIDER HIM AS BEING YOUR O-COORDINATOR?

THIS SEASON IS LIKE 1996 ALL OVER AGAIN.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 7, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

I just don't get how Zorn admits that a healthy Portis gets pulled for Betts. I just dont' f*%king get it.

Posted by: cmccarthy30 | December 7, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Clegg:

I lived in ATL until last year...D-Hall is a FRAUD like most of the guys on the Skins now...all talk, no heart, overhyped quitter...

But hey, why not continue the trend that the Skins have been on for years?

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | December 7, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

And you can keep playing the same old record - 'what's his winning percentage?' - but his winning percentage will be like every other QB's winning percentage for the Skins since Gibbs 1.0. As long as the O-line gets run over by opponents, the Skins will never be a team you can count on to win consistently. Pre-JC, now, or post-JC.

Posted by: Alan4

Well, the Redskins have never made the playoffs with JC as the season long starter, and it does not look like they'll make it this year. Yes, they have a crummy offensive line, but the Lions can score more points than the Skins. With even less talent.

Posted by: Almazar80 | December 7, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

We're behind the 7-5-1 Eagles now...lol

Might as well admit the playoffs are not going to happen and get a good look (i.e., play them every down) at Kelly, Thomas & Davis.

Perhaps even Colt?

Well, maybe not Colt.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Karen, does your boss wear that idiotic I mean cute necklace too?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 7, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

"Hip Hip Hooray" in Dallas on Sept. 28th. Clearly this was a sign. The 2008 Redskins are a Pop Warner team playing in a grown up league. Nothing will change until Snyder sells to a owner who lets the real football guys call the shots. In the mean time, a terrible waste of talent on Defense, and a (very) few offensive players (like Clinton, Santana, Cooley, Sellers). This team has not been ready to play since the loss to the Rams. Zorn will be gone by years end. I will watch the final 3 games because they are my team. But all hope is lost.

Posted by: amoray42 | December 7, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Spizzle, the Eagles didn't lose because of the weather. They lost to some pretty good defenses - Panthers, Buccaneers and Patriots. The WCO is so named because of where it was developed not because it meant to be played on the west coast.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Fuzzy,

Everything about ATL football was a fraud until this year...

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

You guys are way too reactionary. This team looked OK-but-not-great before the season, OK-but-not-great when they were 6-2, and they look the same way now. Against poor opposition, they win, against legitimate contenders, they lose. It's funny how the comments change from week to week without the quality of the team really changing. The plurality of voters really, seriously thinks the Skins can't beat Cincy and SF? Those teams are AWFUL. The Skins, as bad as they look when they play somebody good, will beat them and finish 9-7. 10-6 is even possible; I don't think that you can guarantee an Eagles victory over anybody.

I will grant you that if they do actually run the table and go 10-6, they will be the worst 10-6 team I have ever seen.

Posted by: christiansonm | December 7, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

2 bright spots in today's game:

(1) Landry flashed his big-play ability.

(2) Devin Thomas actually contributed.

Other than that, nothing.

Posted by: spizzle | December 7, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

It's inexplicable. Are these D-linemen too small? Too fat? Too slow? Too weak? Too disinterested?

What the heck can it be?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse


The ends (Taylor and Carter) are just too small and not that explosive anymore. The tackles all play the run really well, but don't have NFL pass rush skills

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 7, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, what was so biased about jasno's post?? You're a nut.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 7, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

I lived in ATL until last year...D-Hall is a FRAUD like most of the guys on the Skins now...all talk, no heart, overhyped quitter...

But hey, why not continue the trend that the Skins have been on for years?

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | December 7, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

I still live in ATL, and while D Hall will never be Primetime, he is a solid CB. He makes plays, and he's better then Smoot. I say resign him. And put that rookie OG out there for the last 3 games, I mean why is he seeing no playing time?

Posted by: ga8085 | December 7, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

I am not a Zorn fan, but I think it's too early to pull the plug on him as head coach. You've gotta give the guy a chance, but having him call the plays is ludicrous. They HAVE to go out and get a premier playcaller in the offseason. God knows Wonder Boy can afford it.

Posted by: cmccarthy30 | December 8, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Geisinger had played NO snaps at tackle. All of his play has come at center.

Why don't you tap someone like Todd Yoder instead, who, as a blocking TE, has at least logged serious snap trying to block on the edge?

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

I'm just tired of wasting three hours of my life every sunday.

I don't even enjoy it any more ... just sit there. p*ssed off and tired.

Posted by: stylesmcfresh | December 8, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

"It's funny how the comments change from week to week without the quality of the team really changing."

How do you explain dropping 26 points AT dallas and 23 AT Philadelphia vs. averaging

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

YOU CAN CALL WASHINGTON POST LIVE 1800-848-1005 WITH YOUR COMMENTS

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | December 8, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Do u think Stoops would jump into the NFL? Who am i kidding, he likes to win and coach players with character.Damn no shot at all!!!

Posted by: gabezamora99 | December 8, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

YOU CAN CALL WASHINGTON POST LIVE 1800-848-1005 WITH YOUR COMMENTS

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | December 8, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: christiansonm | December 7, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

San Fran plays hard for Singletary. And their QB can hurt you if given time (and you know the Skins will give him plenty of that) and they have Gore. They're no push over.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 8, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

"It's funny how the comments change from week to week without the quality of the team really changing."

How do you explain dropping 26 points AT dallas and 23 AT Philadelphia vs. averaging

Posted by: spizzle

That should say "vs. averaging less than 11 points per game in the last 5 weeks (including against Dallas).

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

COWHER POWER!

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

YOU CAN CALL WASHINGTON POST LIVE 1800-848-1005 WITH YOUR COMMENTS

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | December 8, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

As for JC, he's like the special needs kid who lives down the street....we say nice things and make excuses for him but deep-down inside, we know it is what it is...

P-out...

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | December 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Seriously though, what is the ARGUMENT???????

#17 is 15-18 as a starter! That’s a 39.5 winning percentage!
(Wins are the most important statistic period)

#17 has thrown 33 TD’s in 33 GM’s! That’s a 1 td/gm average!

#17 has a TD/Interception ratio of 33/23! That’s 1 interception thrown for every 1.4 TD’s!

How many different QB’s have we gone through since ‘91? No wonder we have no offense. To give #17 another start is offensive. After 33 games, do we really think #17 is going to turn on a light and start throwing TD’s?

For those #17 supporters…hush please…you make it that much worse…U ALL CAN’T ARGUE STAT’s.

Posted by: Vicc | December 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Spizzle, the Eagles didn't lose because of the weather. They lost to some pretty good defenses - Panthers, Buccaneers and Patriots. The WCO is so named because of where it was developed not because it meant to be played on the west coast.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

You have misunderstood Spizzle's point. The team and coaches have been just thrown together without any kind of plan or consideration of how things mesh. Go re-read his post, it says it all

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Well, the Redskins have never made the playoffs with JC as the season long starter, and it does not look like they'll make it this year. Yes, they have a crummy offensive line, but the Lions can score more points than the Skins. With even less talent.

Posted by: Almazar80

Well, that sounds like a damning statement until you realize that JC HAS NEVER STARTED FOR A FULL SEASON.

Yes, the Skins definitely have problems scoring points. But that's been true with the past 3 or 4 (or 5?) QBs we've had, not just JC. Another QB might have gone deep more often, and likely have a 1:1 TD/INT ratio. Does that mean that QB is a better than JC? It might be more fun to watch, but the problem won't really be solved until the O-line is fixed.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

everyone, and I say this as kindly as possible - SHUT THE HELL UP. we were within a TD in the 4th quarter and couldn't stop the run. We normally do but Ravens stepped up. We have issues. Zorn seems over his head at times. Not calling those timeouts to me is the worst message you can send. We need to fix the O-line, which might not be fully possible this year.

But this season ain't over. Thankfully ATL and DAL lost today. A win tonight would've put us back in control of our destiny. A loss means we must run the table and wait. We shoudl win the next three. Cincy (I'll be there) should give us a much needed boost on offense. Philly will be tough but we should scrap out a win at home. And then SF. If we can't beat those three teams, we don't deserve to make the playoffs. We will win them all and at 10-6, we will be 50-50 to make them.

Stop crying that all is lost. If the team listened to you all, we'd finish 7-9. Pathetic. Get a grip, get a clue and get some balls. Oh, and get some loyalty too - add that to the laundry list

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 7, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

YEAH, im with you notorious, lets act like this team does not have major problems hope for a playoff run, then if we actually make it, watch us get waxed in the first round by the 7th or 8th best team in the league. NO THANKS.

Posted by: Brutus2 | December 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

SF hasn't allowed a TD at home since week 8..and with our offense, it ain't gonna be easy. Look, we should have no problem next week with Cincy, they're a mess. But realistically, we aren't as good as Philly and will be in a barnburner with San Fran in week 17.

Posted by: cmccarthy30 | December 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Why don't you tap someone like Todd Yoder instead, who, as a blocking TE, has at least logged serious snap trying to block on the edge?

Posted by: p1funk

Is this referring to Yoder playing tackle? Or Yoder playing as a help-side TE?

Because I saw neither. Forget adjustments. It's all about execution.

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Flacco 10-21 134 yds 1TD, 1INT

WOW!!!! He is great!!!!!

Posted by: must_be_eagles_fans | December 7, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

JC rating tonight - 58.9; Flacco - 64.4.

Spizzle, read the whole post don't try and score points off me taking things out of context.

There goes the 11-5 season. Snyder should call Bobby Beathard and ask who they should hire after the Vinny fire. Zorn has forgotten how to attack. Whomever the QB is, he must make plays. Flacco is better than Campbell already; played in a passing system in college; tired of the "JC played in so many systems" nonsense. All passing systems come down to this: See the field and throw it to the open guy like Todd Collins did to beat the NYG in NY last year. Get to the playoffs now.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 7, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Realness1 | December 8, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

TO ALL WHO CHOSE TO LISTEN

1. RAVENS DO BAT BALLS DOWN B/C THEY DON'T HAVE MORE THAN 1 PLAYER ON D LINE THAT START WITH HAND ON THE TURF. IF YOU ROLL OUT YOUR QB, ITS MORE DIFFICULT TO DO..

2. PORTIS WAS TOLD, "TAKE IT EZ", IT'S AN AFC GAME, WE NEED YOU HEALTHY FOR THE LAST 3 B/C THESE GUYS MAY HURT YOU WORST.

3. JANSEN ISN'T HURT, IT WAS BUGEL'S WAY OF LETTING HIM OUT EZ WITHOUT BENCHING HIM PUBLICLY...

4. THE PROBLEM IS COMMUNINCATION ISSUES; WHEN ON BETTS 1ST RUN, HE RAN BY SELLERS WHO WAS STILL STANDING IN THE BACKFIELD WHEN BETTS RAN BY HIM....

5. STOP THE F'IN pro set formation AGAINST TOUGH D'S,,, ( HINT HINT, THEY ATTACK THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD ) so spread the d......... DUHHHHHHH

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

you say that SF and Cinci are easy yet WE LOST TO THE RAMS.

THE GODDAMN RAMS.

with the way this team has been playing we won't score over 20 points. i seriously can't remember the last time we could consistently score points.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 8, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Late in the season, bitter cold and windy, is no time for pretty boys and pretty boy offenses.

A lot of posters were in diapers when Joe Gibbs 1.0 was in it's prime--but that last drive of Baltimores? An exact replica.

The 'skins used to say and Baltimore just said: Our Oline is big and basty, it has worn you down, and even when you know ehere we will run, we will still beat you.

And then, when you put all 11 up as a last desperate measure, we will fake a run and throw an easy TD pass to cinch the game.

Harbaugh is what we'd all hoped Gibbs 2.0 would be. But he didn't have Beatherd to get him his horses, er, hogs.

I still think Zorn will be a great coach--but probably a few years from now and out here on the Left Coast.

Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

For those #17 supporters…hush please…you make it that much worse…U ALL CAN’T ARGUE STAT’s.

Posted by: Vicc | December 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Neither can you argue these STATs.

#17 has not played in the same passing offense for more than 1 consecutive year.

The pro QB takes about 3 years on average to settle comfortably into a new offense.

You do the math.

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Cincy played the iggles to a tie, SF beat the jets, iggles beat the giants , what makes any of you think the skins will win anymore games?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 8, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 7, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Nothing like watching your team squeaking into the playoffs only to get whipped in the first round. That's oodles of fun!!

Posted by: ga8085 | December 8, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

OR CHOOSE TO LISTEN ( SEE ABOVE )

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Notorious...this team ain't beating Philly right now. You get a grip.

Posted by: cmccarthy30 | December 7, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse


we will see. I say we run the table, get to 10-6 and sneak in. Talk to me in 3 weeks dude

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 8, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

GREG KILLS ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TREVER WHY DON'T YOU GET ANY PASS RUSH ??? WE'LL THE SAME REASON WHY SOME PEOPLE ARE SHORT AND SOME ARE TALL !!!!! LOL LOL

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | December 8, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Is this referring to Yoder playing tackle? Or Yoder playing as a help-side TE?


Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Either. Both. Who cares...

Logging off until next time, fellas. Peace.

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

christiansonm, SF has won it's last 2 games....when have we won 2 games in a row? SF beat the Jets today. If we beat Cincy it will be a miracle - especially with no Samuels.

dealer, every post tonight from JLC was about how great the Ravens are and that we are doomed. If we had won, he would have twisted it around to a Skins miracle against his beloved Ravens. Flacco was not impressive at all to me....and even though we did not look good, the story might have been different if we did not start out with 2 turnovers.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 8, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

#17 is 15-18 as a starter! That’s a 39.5 winning percentage!

Posted by: Vicc

Actually, that's a 45.5 winning percentage. Let's not be over dramatic. We've been a .500-type ballclub for awhile, and not because of the QB. JC is developing. I remember these same criticisms of Mark Rypien before he got a decent O-line to play behind, and I personally think JC has more upside than Ryp did.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Notorious...this team ain't beating Philly right now. You get a grip.

Posted by: cmccarthy30 | December 7, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse


we will see. I say we run the table, get to 10-6 and sneak in. Talk to me in 3 weeks dude

I'm just saying bro...Philly just HANDLED the Giants (at home no less). And beat the hell out of Arizona on Thanksgiving. I hope you are right man, I hope we go 10-6 and sneak in, but I just don't think they are as good as Philly right now and I don't think 10 wins is going to be enough to make the playoffs in the NFC. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: cmccarthy30 | December 8, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

+++Perpsective people. At the start of the season, the smart money said that we would end up last place in the NFC East, given that we had a rookie head coach and were installing a new passing game.++++--Pfunk

The time for this post was when the Redskins were 6-2, not after losing four of five.

Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

LMG,

THEY SHUT ME DOWN ON THE REVERSE MOJO.....

RU KIDDING ME....... BLACHE IS ANSWERING THAT QUESTION THAT WAY?????//

WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SHORT SOME PEOPLE TALL.... HOW RIGHT IS HE?????

B/C SHORT PEOPLE ARE BUILT SHORT
TALL PEOPLE ARE BUILT TALL......

WE ARE BUILT W/OUT THE PASS RUSH!!!

clegg

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Here's some irony for ya:

The same people who wonder why others slam Jasno during the week are right there after a loss to say, "See? Jasno was right!"

I don't know which is worse, the people who read Jasno's entries and complain about him, or the people who have their heads stuck so far up his insides that they feel the need to run to his defense whenever the opportunity presents itself.

It's a hoot.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

"Spizzle, the Eagles didn't lose because of the weather. They lost to some pretty good defenses - Panthers, Buccaneers and Patriots. The WCO is so named because of where it was developed not because it meant to be played on the west coast."

"Posted by: learnedhand1"

It's not that it's meant to be played on the west coast, it's that the west coast is a warm-weather offense. Sure, it CAN be effective on the east coast, but it is MUCH harder in cold, windy, and difficult conditions.

And IF you build the west coast offense on the east coast, you'd better have a damn good plan for implementing it, both scheme-wise and personnel wise. This is a team with elderly, run-blocking specialists at offensive line, 2 workhorse running backs (decent in the passing game, but no brian westbrook), and small, speedy, and quick WRs. Of those issues, only one was truly considered during the offseason.

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Hey not all is negative....Landry harbored No. 21 tonight and came up with two big TOs...

Posted by: cmccarthy30 | December 8, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

#17 is 15-18 as a starter! That’s a 39.5 winning percentage!

Posted by: Vicc

Actually, that's a 45.5 winning percentage. Let's not be over dramatic. We've been a .500-type ballclub for awhile, and not because of the QB. JC is developing. I remember these same criticisms of Mark Rypien before he got a decent O-line to play behind, and I personally think JC has more upside than Ryp did.

Posted by Alan4

Actually Alan4: 15 wins out of 38 games is 39.5 winning percentage. Nice try though.
15 divided by 38. Math Major are we?

Posted by: Vicc | December 8, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

I know I said I was logging off, but I couldn't resist:

I just heard Carlos Rogers interviewed live talking about Mason's TD. He said that they pulled a "double move" and that "there wasn't anything he could do about it."

Classic. At least I can go to bed with a chuckle now...

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

"Spizzle, read the whole post don't try and score points off me taking things out of context."

I did read the whole post. Unfortunately, this does not need context.

"All passing systems come down to this: See the field and throw it to the open guy like Todd Collins did to beat the NYG in NY last year. Get to the playoffs now.

Posted by: Realness1"

All passing systems do NOT come down to that, especially when the defense has your play sniffed out before the snap. You can't find the "open" guy when there is no guy open.

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Vicc, are you drunk-blogging again? 15/33 = 45.454545%

so says my magic number machine

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

+++Perpsective people. At the start of the season, the smart money said that we would end up last place in the NFC East, given that we had a rookie head coach and were installing a new passing game.++++--Pfunk

The time for this post was when the Redskins were 6-2, not after losing four of five.

Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

PGranted...though I will argue that "perspective", along with a 7th glass of wine, are both in order after going 1-4 in our last 5...the Chardonnay awaits...

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Actually Alan4: 15 wins out of 38 games is 39.5 winning percentage. Nice try though.
15 divided by 38. Math Major are we?

Posted by: Vicc | December 8, 2008 12:13 AM

Electrical engineering major. Here's your quote:

#17 is 15-18 as a starter!That’s a 39.5 winning percentage!

15+18=33
15/33=0.454545

Do the math, friend.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Draft "experts" have the Skins taking DT Cody from Alabama in the 1st round. Me thinks there is no way he lasts past the 10th pick.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 8, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Another game with no blocking, and no pass rush. It may be time to clean house. You just can’t win in this league with mediocre players. I would love to see us win out, but it’s not looking good. The 49rs beat the Jets, Philly is dominating since benching McNabb. The Bengals may be our only opportunity, but then there is the fact that we always loose to our former coaches. It’s looking pretty grim! We get through this season, and then dole out the pink slips. Start by sending the linemen packing.

Posted by: PANELMAN | December 8, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

You have misunderstood Spizzle's point. The team and coaches have been just thrown together without any kind of plan or consideration of how things mesh. Go re-read his post, it says it all

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 8, 2008 12:03 AM

That may have been his overall point but its foundation was weak. He specifically said a west coast team playing in east coast weather. That is not the problem.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 8, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

"It's funny how the comments change from week to week without the quality of the team really changing."

How do you explain dropping 26 points AT dallas and 23 AT Philadelphia vs. averaging less than 11 points per game in the last 5 weeks (including against Dallas)."


Well, the inconsistency from week to week is part of what I'm talking about when I say that the team is mediocre. Elite teams don't have such significant dropoffs in performance over the season.

Posted by: christiansonm | December 8, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Throwing players and coaches together with no overall plan does not work. None of the guys on offense are "West Coast Offense Guys". JC, Portis, Moss, Cooley, and El were brought here to run Gibb's offense and then had to learn the 700 page play book. Most of the O-line has been around since Spurrier or longer. Even Zorn was first brought here to be the OC. THEY HAVE NO PLAN

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 8, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

I know I said I was logging off, but I couldn't resist:

I just heard Carlos Rogers interviewed live talking about Mason's TD. He said that they pulled a "double move" and that "there wasn't anything he could do about it."

Classic. At least I can go to bed with a chuckle now...

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

DC drafted a "run stopping corner" at #9 instead of waiting to get Shawn Merriman at #12

Posted by: Realness1 | December 8, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Electrical engineering major.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Don't you guys always have homework? Where do you find the time to blog?

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Watching Campbell has gotten to be as painful as watching Brunell.

Posted by: austin987654 | December 8, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

+++Stop crying that all is lost. If the team listened to you all, we'd finish 7-9. Pathetic. Get a grip, get a clue and get some balls. Oh, and get some loyalty too - add that to the laundry list

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG +++

You'd have made a great cheerleader for the knight in Monty Python & The Holy Grail. Balls are nice, but you wouldn't happen to have a couple of starting offensive tackles handy, would you?

Blind allegiance to a bankrupt organization isn't loyalty, it's insanity.


Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Don't you guys always have homework? Where do you find the time to blog?

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2008 12:21 AM

LOL, I'm up to my ears in homework, that's why I'm always in front of a computer! As if I didn't get enough of this fun 15 years ago, I'm back in grad school full time. It sucks just as much as I remember!

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

My bad guys, I'm still not drunk about #17 though.

Posted by: Vicc | December 8, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Players I think we should get rid of. Or restructure to be paid alot less.
Taylor, washington, Springs, Carter, Jansen, Randel El, Campbell, Thrash, Kelly, did I mention TAYLOR. Go back to dancing with the f###ing stars, the tuna is luaghing his dairy air off at our front office right now.

Posted by: Brutus2 | December 8, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Football is fairly simple. Line up and win your individual battle. Make a play. The team whose players do that most often wins.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 8, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

DC drafted a "run stopping corner" at #9 instead of waiting to get Shawn Merriman at #12

Posted by: Realness1 | December 8, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Of course, b/c the smart money is on corners who can stop the run - coverage and catching abilities are simply an added bonus if you're lucky to get them...

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

"I know I said I was logging off, but I couldn't resist:

I just heard Carlos Rogers interviewed live talking about Mason's TD. He said that they pulled a "double move" and that "there wasn't anything he could do about it."

Classic. At least I can go to bed with a chuckle now...

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

DC drafted a "run stopping corner" at #9 instead of waiting to get Shawn Merriman at #12

Posted by: Realness1 "

That drive had 11 consecutive runs for multiple first downs and burned more than 8 minutes off the clock.

Carlos Rogers being burned, while bad, was hardly the biggest problem with that drive.

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, I always appreciate your tenacity in sticking with this team. Heck, I envy it.

But the point is the we DID start out with two turnovers (which are not, contrary to popular opinion, acts of God) and it WOULD have been a sports miracle if, after getting dominated for most of the game, the Skins had pulled it off in the end.

You often seem so blinded by your fandom that you forget that you are what the scoreboard (or record) says you are. And the team, as a whole, is pretty mediocre. Which was expected AND predicted by JLaC.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

LOL, I'm up to my ears in homework, that's why I'm always in front of a computer! As if I didn't get enough of this fun 15 years ago, I'm back in grad school full time. It sucks just as much as I remember!


Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

I do alot of work around a campus. The EE guys have it the worst, IMO.

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Players I think we should get rid of. Or restructure to be paid alot less.
Taylor, washington, Springs, Carter, Jansen, Randel El, Campbell, Thrash, Kelly, did I mention TAYLOR. Go back to dancing with the f###ing stars, the tuna is luaghing his dairy air off at our front office right now.

Posted by: Brutus2 | December 8, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

I think Daniels needs to be added to that list.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 8, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

You have misunderstood Spizzle's point. The team and coaches have been just thrown together without any kind of plan or consideration of how things mesh. Go re-read his post, it says it all

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 8, 2008 12:03 AM

That may have been his overall point but its foundation was weak. He specifically said a west coast team playing in east coast weather. That is not the problem.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 8, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse


Actually, I think he was right about that too. How many cold weather teams have won the Super Bowl running the WCO? I can think of 1, Green Bay with Farve in his prime (and a lot of help from Desmond Howard kick returns)

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 8, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

"Football is fairly simple. Line up and win your individual battle. Make a play. The team whose players do that most often wins.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

In general, this is true. But football is also one of the rare sports where coaches have as much an effect as the players on the field.

That simplicity and analysis also needs to be extended to the coaching staff.

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

You often seem so blinded by your fandom that you forget that you are what the scoreboard (or record) says you are. And the team, as a whole, is pretty mediocre. Which was expected AND predicted by JLaC.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 12:25 AM |
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You must be his agent.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers being burned, while bad, was hardly the biggest problem with that drive.

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

You may remember that Rogers was getting notoriously burned on double-moves during his first 2 years. He had a funny quote saying that there was "nothing he could do" to stop the double-move.

His recent comment had a hint of nostalgia for me...that's all.

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone else notice Kelly come in motion and then run smack into Cooley on Randle El's TD? I could laugh at the time, since, blind dumb luck, the skins scored anyway, maybe because a Raven DB was laughing....

But I understand now why Zorn has been frustrated over the receiving "talent" Vinny got for him.


Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think that the riggors of coaching a NFL team throughout a season has gotton to Zorn. He looks like he has aged 5 years, and we seem to be getting much worse as the season goes on, especially in the areas that are zorn's "specialties", Qb, and offense.

Posted by: Brutus2 | December 8, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Jes' someone who actually knows what a reporter's job is. I don't mistake objectivity (most of the time) for hatin'. Doesn't make me less of a fan of this team and resent the implication that it does.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

You must remember, these WR's were not meant to make any impact this year!

Posted by: ga8085 | December 8, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

He specifically said a west coast team playing in east coast weather. That is not the problem.

Posted by: learnedhand1

That is A problem, not THE problem.

There are many problems with this team, and there isn't a single thing that can be pointed out as the source of all the troubles (unless you choose to be the one to look straight at the top).

But the fact that a timing, aerial based offense is much more difficult to execute in a cold and often windy region of the US does not help.

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

I do alot of work around a campus. The EE guys have it the worst, IMO.

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2008 12:26 AM

Well that makes me feel a little better. Most of the folks around me a freaking brilliant. I'm going to get through this (I wasn't so sure until about 2 months ago--close call on my screening exam!), but I have to work about 10 times harder than my peers. The time and effort I have to put in has done a lot of damage to my marriage, but I'm in too deep now.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 8, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Spizzle, Bill Walsh - as great as he was never won a Super Bowl without Joe Montana and Jerry Rice. Brian Billick, a supposed offensive genius, has a Super Bowl because his defensive players imposed their will on the other team's O. Players win games not coaches.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 8, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

"His recent comment had a hint of nostalgia for me...that's all.

Posted by: p1funk"

I understood and got that part. Just was saying that Rogers getting exposed was not the biggest problem with that drive.

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

"Spizzle, read the whole post don't try and score points off me taking things out of context."

I did read the whole post. Unfortunately, this does not need context.

"All passing systems come down to this: See the field and throw it to the open guy like Todd Collins did to beat the NYG in NY last year. Get to the playoffs now.

Posted by: Realness1"

All passing systems do NOT come down to that, especially when the defense has your play sniffed out before the snap. You can't find the "open" guy when there is no guy open.

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Already mentioned Zorn's weak play calls. Time to throw is a separate issue related to DC's weak O line and the firing of VC and his "scouts" for the lack of quality and depth my friend. All passing systems come down to this for a QB: See the field and throw it to the open guy like Todd Collins did to beat the NYG in NY last year.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 8, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Jes' someone who actually knows what a reporter's job is. I don't mistake objectivity (most of the time) for hatin'. Doesn't make me less of a fan of this team and resent the implication that it does.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 12:31 AM
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Well, Einstein, every memeber of ESPN's "Expert Picks" picked Baltimore to win this week, as did the guys on CBSSports.com, as did Jay Novacek on MSNBC.com.

So why aren't you here to clap THEM on the back for their tireless, objective - and noble - work in the trenches of sports journalism?

Or is Jasno your one and only Martyr?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm more patient than most, ga8085, and am not really that bothered by 12 and 11's failure to contribute, but what does that mean? You draft people with the knowledge that they won't contribute in year 1? Jackson and that Bronco's kid are just bonuses, happy accidents?

And it's not like Zorn and company are saying how happy they are with the effort and production of the rooks: if he's disappointed in them, why wouldn't we be as well?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

++++Sign D-Hall?!?! Are you kidding me? The next Neon Deion will hustle us out of 8 mil just like Primetime did...

Posted by: Fuzzy21 |

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In about 3 games, Hall has as many INTs as the rest of our present corners for the whole year combined. Who do you say we sign? Carlos "Double-Move-With-The Stone-Hands" Rogers?

Posted by: p1funk+++


I'm with p1Funk. Since the 'skins play like the Raiders, they might as well keep the CB Oakland cut.

I have a better idea. Maybe the 'skins should get a real, knowledgeable GM, and let him decide.

Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Spizzle, Bill Walsh - as great as he was never won a Super Bowl without Joe Montana and Jerry Rice.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Would Tom Brady have won 3 SBs without Bill Belichick?

Would Phil Simms have won 2 SBs without Parcells/Belichick?

Would Joe Theisman, Doug Williams, or Mark Rypien have won Super Bowls without Joe Gibbs?

Coaches have just as much an impact as players do.

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I think he was right about that too. How many cold weather teams have won the Super Bowl running the WCO? I can think of 1, Green Bay with Farve in his prime (and a lot of help from Desmond Howard kick returns)

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 8, 2008 12:27 AM

How many "cold weather" teams have actually run the WCO to begin with? If you don't know, why did you even post this. Which teams run the WCO is a function of the coach. The offense is run primarily by coaches in the Bill Walsh tree. And you don't have to win a Super Bowl to be a success. I would love for the Skins to go to 4 straight NFC championship games no matter what offense they run.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 8, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Ah yes, MrRedskin21 (RIP ST), there's that RI anger I've missed so much.

THAT was your point? Ah, well then, big clap on the back to the ESPN guys, Maske, Yahoo dudes, etc. who all picked the Ravens. (Were you criticizing their objectivity as well, by the way? I must have missed that.)

Screw Novacek, though: I hate Cowboys.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

stevie_in_gp, yes I am a true fan but I'm very unhappy with our offense right now. While a few of you were saying all week we could beat the Ravens, I never thought we would....because we simply cannot score points. We barely beat the bad teams.

However, my beef with JLC is that he has a non existent - actually horrific - relationship with the Skins FO and therefore revels in our losses and when we play badly. And of course since his beloved Ravens were the team taking us down, he loved it even more.

I simply wish the Post would hire another beat reporter (like Jason Reid) with no bias towards the Skins front office.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 8, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Realness1

Alright, then I don't know what you're harping on. Jim Zorn has weak playcalling that gets sniffed out by defensive coordinators - as you mentioned. The o-line is awful in pass-protection and hardly provides JC the time to find his WRs - which you mentioned.

Yet you said Flacco is already playing better than JC, and use this quote as the supposed reason: "All passing systems come down to this for a QB: See the field and throw it to the open guy like Todd Collins did to beat the NYG in NY last year."

So again, what are you trying to get at with that quote?

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm more patient than most, ga8085, and am not really that bothered by 12 and 11's failure to contribute, but what does that mean? You draft people with the knowledge that they won't contribute in year 1? Jackson and that Bronco's kid are just bonuses, happy accidents?

And it's not like Zorn and company are saying how happy they are with the effort and production of the rooks: if he's disappointed in them, why wouldn't we be as well?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Umm..I was being sarcastic. Referring to people on here who used that as an excuse as to why there was no production from all our 2nd rounders.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 8, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

This is it...This is the night.....After all the years since 2000 of being hopeful...I'm done...I'm numb.....I am a diehard Skins fan....For the first time in my life...I have gotten to the point where I'm exhausted and just flat out do not care anymore.

We must face it....this team stinks........It's time to rebulid....they need new blood...Campbell is not the answer....I'm at a loss...I have no idea what this team needs to do...all I know is...They suck!

Posted by: leevi98 | December 8, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

You doom and gloomers are ridiculous. The Skins are 7-6, you could be a Rams fan or a Lions fan. They are in the hunt with 3 to go, sure they may not get in but a winning season is still possible. It could be a lot worse.

Posted by: chirsch | December 8, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

A "diehard" fan sticks with a team no matter what, your comments lead me to believe you are a front runner.

Posted by: chirsch | December 8, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Check and check, ga8085. Nothing worse than missing the sarcasm in a post. Concur.

And Lisa, I'm frustrated as you are. We just see JLaC's reporting in a different light: I think he's damn close to objective. It's not his job to put a positive spin on things and it's certainly not his job to be more positive than you.

If you are realistically appraising this team with what some would call a negative view, why isn't LaConfora?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

THE PROBLEM WITH THIS TEAM IS THE OLINE. I DONT CARE IF JOE MONTANA WAS BACK THERE HE WOULD STILL WOULDNT GET IT DONE. NOTICE HOW THE OFFENSE STARTED MOVING ONCE JANSEN CAME OUT? CAMPBELL IS NOT THE PROBLEM FOLKS. LOOK AT HIS STATS ONE INTERCEPTION CAME IN GARBAGE TIME AND THE OTHER ONE WAS A PRODUCT OF THE FOREMENTIONED OFFENSIVE LINE. ANYBODY ELSE NOTICE THAT BUT ME? HOW BOUT THE ED REED TD THAT WAS ON A BALL CLEARLY NOT FUMBLED? BUT OTHER THAN THAT WE HAVE TO ONE CATCH THE BALL AND JEEZ DLINE GET SOME PRESSURE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. CARLOS ROGERS BACK TO HIS OLD SELF

Posted by: bza48842002 | December 8, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

I mean seriously, you expected a win tonight? The Skins haven't had an offense in a month, they were playing probably the 3rd best defense in football right now, on the road, where the Ravens are tough to beat anyway.

Sure the play of the offense stinks, and the lack of pass rush is bad, but it's been obvious for about 5 weeks that the Skins are a decent team, not a great one.

Posted by: chirsch | December 8, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

How many "cold weather" teams have actually run the WCO to begin with? If you don't know, why did you even post this. Which teams run the WCO is a function of the coach. The offense is run primarily by coaches in the Bill Walsh tree. And you don't have to win a Super Bowl to be a success. I would love for the Skins to go to 4 straight NFC championship games no matter what offense they run.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 8, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

HUH? I doubt even Bill Walsh knew the exact number of teams running the WCO, and he invented it! I agree that talent is more important than coaching, but throwing together talent without matching it to the coach's system has never worked.

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 8, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Ah yes, MrRedskin21 (RIP ST), there's that RI anger I've missed so much.

THAT was your point? Ah, well then, big clap on the back to the ESPN guys, Maske, Yahoo dudes, etc. who all picked the Ravens. (Were you criticizing their objectivity as well, by the way? I must have missed that.)

Screw Novacek, though: I hate Cowboys.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 12:41 AM
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I haven't been criticizing anything re Jasno, except the fact that writes at the level of a bright 6th grader...on a good day.

I stopped reading his entries after his lame attempt to break a story (something he has yet to do) by asking the NFL offices if Vinny was engaged in "tampering." He made himself look like a complete a** with that stunt.

He's a worthless hack. For me, the fun on this blog comes from reading the posts from other people (the majority of whom, it should be pointed out, are better writers than the goofball the WaPo employs to cover the Redskins).

Anything else?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

"You doom and gloomers are ridiculous.

Posted by: chirsch"

My allegiance is to the franchise. Not to the coach. Not to the personnel man. Not to every player simply because they play for the team. My allegiance is to any player, person, or entity that can help this team win another SB. If I'm criticizing them, it's because I believe they deserve it.

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

i still can't believe Greg Blache's POST GAME COMMENTS on COMCAST!!!!!!!

IT SPEAKS VOLUMES or should i say something LARRY MICHAELS WON't SAY.....

IT SPEAKS TO THE WRONG PLAYERS!! ie; no to vinny
(fyi, I hung out with Larry the HOF weekend and he actually was a pretty good guy to sit and chat with)

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with criticism, just like there is nothing wrong with perspective.

Posted by: chirsch | December 8, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Realness1

Alright, then I don't know what you're harping on. Jim Zorn has weak playcalling that gets sniffed out by defensive coordinators - as you mentioned. The o-line is awful in pass-protection and hardly provides JC the time to find his WRs - which you mentioned.

Yet you said Flacco is already playing better than JC, and use this quote as the supposed reason: "All passing systems come down to this for a QB: See the field and throw it to the open guy like Todd Collins did to beat the NYG in NY last year."

So again, what are you trying to get at with that quote?

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Simms won in '86, Hostetler in '90.

Flacco (64.4)outplayed JC (58.9)and has started less games. Seen it since preseasson, sadly. Think we'd have a better record now w/ TC.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 8, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

I also suspect that the FO shabingus w/ Jasno is mainly their fault: we all know they hate criticism, even when it's judged as deserved by objective observers. I listen to that radio show of Vinny's and to Redskins Nation occasionally and just hear him acting like a petulant child. To my knowledge, LaConfora's never made up a name for the guy or whined about the lack of access. Vinny's got a name for him, always harps on it on his show (like THAT'S what ails this team), and generally seeks to distract from what's going wrong for the team by spurring this stupid fight.

And the reason I appear to "cheerlead" for Jasno is because I want the objective coverage. I want someone taking the hard look. That's what being a beat writer is all about and being a Ravens fan has nothing to do with it.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Would Tom Brady have won 3 SBs without Bill Belichick? I am sure Bruschi, Harrison, Seymour and McGinest had nothing to do with it.

Would Phil Simms have won 2 SBs without Parcells/Belichick? Not without LT, Harry Carson, Carl Banks, Mark Bavaro...

Would Joe Theisman, Doug Williams, or Mark Rypien have won Super Bowls without Joe Gibbs? Guys made plays. I saw Gary Clark and Ricky Sanders catching balls and Manley and Mann and Green making plays not Joe Gibbs.

Why didn't Joe Gibbs win with this group? You can't work your coaching magic without great players at this level.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 8, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

REALNESS,

I FEEL YOUR PAIN. HOWEVER, JC HAS HAD THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME IN THIS OFFENSE AS HAS THE ROOKIE FLACCO IN HIS.

JC IS THE 4TH MOST SACKED QB IN FOOTBALL!

any questions?

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Todd Collins is too old to turn to except in an emergency.

If you're saying the Skins should give Colt a look or think about drafting another QB in the spring, that's one thing, but I can't see what good could come of starting Todd Collins at this point.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Think we'd have a better record now w/ TC.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 8, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

The problem with starting TC is that he's a temporary fix. Eventually, you have to go to a young QB and go through the growing pains all over again.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 8, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Dude, the fact that you used the word "shabingus" sums up your position for the ages.

You're a Jasno flunky.

Which is OK. But why try to pretend you're not?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

I got what you were saying, MrRedskin21 - it wasn't complicated. I'm just saying you're wrong.

I got no particular love for Jasno. Don't know the man and have no need to. I like his writing and want that critical eye to continue. Hence, I want people like you to get shouted down on occasion just to remind you you're in the minority.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

We all know that TC can win 4 games to get DC to the playoffs now, not in 2022.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 8, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

"Which teams run the WCO is a function of the coach."

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And which coach is running a certain team is a function of the front office.

It's no coincidence that Jon Gruden coached in Oakland and Tampa. That Steve Mariucci coached in San Francisco. That Bill Walsh and George Seifert coached in San Francisco. That Mike Shanahan coached in Oakland first and then Denver (who at least plays in a warm-weather division, even if the city itself is not warm). Only really Shanahan and Holmgren coached in cold weather cities and have been successful. And both had HOF, top 5 QBs of all-time. Reid has coached in a very weakened division in Philadelphia early in his career and has not been a successful late-season team. This offense was built to be explosive in optimal conditions. It was not built to be successful in the elements. It simply isn't. It CAN work, but it's much more difficult.

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

We all know that TC can win 3 games to get DC to the playoffs now, not in 2022.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 8, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Jasno,

Crack open an extra Nat lite and microwave another hot dog, the dirty birds from Balmer made your work this week that much more enjoyable.

Too bad even though the Ravens know you love them, they don't invite you to cover the team.

I guess you'll have to mark this evening in your Michael Phelps speedo calendar as a sweet victory.

Posted by: DownTownClown | December 8, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Learned
Barry Switzer's Super Bowl ring proves your point about coaching vs. talent. But don't you think the coach and system have to mesh with the talent? Or could the team with the best players just run the wishbone or wildcat and win it all? All we hear about is the Skins poor pass blocking. Then why don't they use the Shotgun on all 3rd and longs (as almost every NFL team does), why is JC often using play action on 3rd and long? Why is JC under center when there is an empty backfield? These are all blitzing situations, where Zorn has not adjusted his philosophy to compensate for the o-line's weakness. The players have to play, but the coach has to at least try to hide their weaknesses and use their strengths

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 8, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Wow, really? We can't use certain words for fear of being accused of being a flunky for someone?

OK, well, because you criticized the WaPo, you're a Vinny and Danny flunky. Nah, nah, na-na, nah.

Doesn't hurt much, does it? Yeah, me neither. Call me all the silly names you want.

Seriously, Dude, I love the Reap too. Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Why didn't Joe Gibbs win with this group? You can't work your coaching magic without great players at this level.

Posted by: learnedhand1

I said it's both. A coach can't win without players, and players can't win without coaches.

Why is it that Miami was 1-15 last season, but are now 8-5 with essentially the same team? How did Joey Porter go from 5.5 sacks last year to 14.5 already this year?

It's naivete at its best to think that players are the only ones that have a significant impact on the game.

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Jasno,

I'll offer a case of Nat Lite if you wear a plaid "Michael Phelps" scarf with Lorenzo Neal jersey on your next WaPo live segment.

Posted by: DownTownClown | December 8, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

GUYS,

I DO LIKE ZORN. I DON'T LIKE HIS PERFORMANCE TO DATE! I STILL DON'T KNOW WHY I LIKE HIM, B/C HE'S NOT MAKING MANY ADJUSTMENTS.... WHEN CAMPBELL MOVES AWAY FROM THE RUSH, HE COMPLETES PASSES. 1 OF 2 THINGS ARE HAPPENING.....

1. ZORN IS REALLY A BAD COACH ( i don't think that's the case, too early to tell )

2. PLAYERS NOT COMMUNICATING WELL!! ( goes back to coaching )

SO WITH THAT SAID, IT MUST BE CAMPBELLS FAULT, oh yeah, he's the 4th most sacked QB.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

"We all know that TC can win 3 games to get DC to the playoffs now, not in 2022.

Posted by: Realness1"

No we don't. We know he could have done it last year in Al Saunder's offense.

JC has already won 4 games in a row this year, against much tougher competition than the schedule we have coming up. It would be beyond stupidity to bail on him now, especially when there are much, much bigger issues hindering the offense.

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

SwiftIT, I don't think things would have been any different if Zorn called a perfect game. The Ravens are better on the defensive side of the ball.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 8, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and by the way: shabingus is a blog word. As old as the hills and delivered to us by the Prophet of Glover Park. Doesn't belong to Jasno.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

How did that tool Jeff Fischer go from almost getting fired recently as last season, to getting a home play-off game and being 12-1?

Ask yourself that....

Posted by: DownTownClown | December 8, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

I got what you were saying, MrRedskin21 - it wasn't complicated. I'm just saying you're wrong.

I got no particular love for Jasno. Don't know the man and have no need to. I like his writing and want that critical eye to continue. Hence, I want people like you to get shouted down on occasion just to remind you you're in the minority.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 12:58 AM
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You like his writing?

Then I've no doubt you consider Jackie Collins' novels to be "literature."

But by all means, feel free to "shout me down."

As for being in the "minority," this is a sports blog... Next time, double-up on your dose of Prozac, fella.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

REALNESS,

I FEEL YOUR PAIN. HOWEVER, JC HAS HAD THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME IN THIS OFFENSE AS HAS THE ROOKIE FLACCO IN HIS.

JC IS THE 4TH MOST SACKED QB IN FOOTBALL!

any questions?

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Yes this team is painful to watch at times.
Campbell (58.9 tonight)is actually 5th, Flacco (64.4) 12th in most sacked. Sack Vinny? Stop making excuses Mike?

Posted by: Realness1 | December 8, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

We all know that TC can win 4 games to get DC to the playoffs now, not in 2022.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 8, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

This is a whole new offense. You don't know how he'll perform in this offense. He wasn't exactly too impressive in the preseason. And the offensive line is playing 10 times worse then they did last year WITH the injuries.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 8, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Dudes and ladies hating on Jason La Canfora right now... does it make you feel any better about how bad our beloved team is right now? Does griping about the beat reporter -- who I think was absolutely correct in his predictions for this game -- in any way mitigate the pain of watching this team?

I sure as hell hope so, because from where I'm sitting it looks ridiculous to expend so much energy in the general direction of the beat reporter, whose work has literally zero effect on the game or the team.

We're all frustrated fans, all of us. This is not a good team, and this once-promising season has gone pffft! in the past five weeks.

Again, I hope you guys who are complaining about the beat reporter get some kind of solace from making those complaints. Because I know he's not reading them, and I bet nobody else at the Post is reading them, either.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 8, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Some teams have the right players but the wrong coach.

Some teams have the right coaches but the wrong players.

Some teams have both.

Some teams have neither.

You decide which the Redskins fall under.

Alright, I'm out, it's too much torturing myself over this. For the record, I expect a 3-game streak to end the season (although it won't come easily), so hopefully we'll have some help down the road from Dallas and ATL. Later everyone.

Posted by: spizzle | December 8, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I do. Why else would I be here? Why are you here? Extremeskins is just an enter key away.

Relax on the Prosac reference. That shti works.

If you don't know the job description of a reporter (not a press agent, a reporter), you got no idea about good writing either. I'm not asking him to be Dostoyevsky - I want objective reporting.

Lemme guess: you also think the Post's coverage of Iraq and Bush is biased? Again, if so, why are you here?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

it's all crap at this point.... like D.Mason said, "Joe just threw it up there to me" How many times do we "just throw it up there?" NONE, b/c our outside recievers are less than 5'10" tall....

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins and Wizards both suck because they have incompetent owners.

Here is some advice:

Go see the Washington Capitals. They're in 1st place! They have a bright future and a good owner, good management and one of the younger teams in hockey. Nobody wants to watch an washed up Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen who couldn't swat a fly

Posted by: TeamPlayer1 | December 8, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Jesus Christ.

People can discuss whatever they want on here; and that includes you injecting your weekly whine about how you don't like what's being discussed re Jasno.

Grow a set.

The posts aren't intended for reading by Jasno (a good thing, since I no longer read his posts either); and who initiated it - whether it was Lisa or Truth or stevie - hardly matters.

If it didn't bother YOU, you A) Wouldn't be reading them and B) wouldn't "expend energy" posting about how you can't believe anyone else would "expend energy."

You're apparently too soft in the head to see the paradox in your own statements.

You have my condolences.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

How did that tool Jeff Fischer go from almost getting fired recently as last season, to getting a home play-off game and being 12-1?

Ask yourself that....

Posted by: DownTownClown | December 8, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse


Look at their schedule. Hou and Jax twice each, Det, KC, Cin, I think Notre Dame could be 9-3 with dogs like that on the schedule

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 8, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21, what's with all the anger, bro? Oh right, just like me and everybody else up here, you're mad about how crappy the Skins have been playing. So you're lashing out with all this vitriol... good for you, dude. We're here to help. Get that out of your system. The holidays are coming... it'll be a good thing to work through your anger now so you'll be in a happier frame of mind in a few weeks...

Ho ho ho!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 8, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I do. Why else would I be here? Why are you here? Extremeskins is just an enter key away.

Relax on the Prosac reference. That shti works.

If you don't know the job description of a reporter (not a press agent, a reporter), you got no idea about good writing either. I'm not asking him to be Dostoyevsky - I want objective reporting.

Lemme guess: you also think the Post's coverage of Iraq and Bush is biased? Again, if so, why are you here?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:18 AM
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Listen, piker, if you want the "hard," "straightforward," and "objective" reporting on the Redskins you claim to crave, ESPN's Matt Moseley is also just a click away.

And there's a bonus with Matt: He doesn't have a perpetually hostile relationship with the front office, so he's able to get information for stories that Jasno never will.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

And as for "condolences"

I do not think it means what you think it means.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 8, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Nate, save the "bro" and the lame "why are you angry" dimestore cyber psychology for when you sit down and drink pale ale with the ratty little weasel the next time he's in Seattle.

But do me a favor in the meantime: Tell me again, why do you "expend energy" replying?

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Let's get back to the real posting.... cut the personal b.s. out.....

1. I've never had to put in an NFL offense, but allegedly, it does take time.
2. Let's give these guys another year, only if we make a switch from Vinny.
3. Jasno is a pretty good reporter.
4. I don't know, it's my lucky number?

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

And as for "condolences"

I do not think it means what you think it means.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 8, 2008 1:26 AM
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I know exactly what it means, and what it references in your case.

Had you ever read Hunter S. Thompson, you'd know too.

But why would you read him? You've got Jasno to flutter over. A poor man's Grantland Rice (look that one up, it may do you some good).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

MrRedskins21, I may enjoy the sport of putting you down for hating on the beat writer, but beating you down for hating NITPDX is WAY more fun.

Get a life. You are insulting people (calling them out on their "paradoxical" statements - really?) on a blog. I would love to find out for certain just how worthless a life you have. Go on: make something up for us. I'm only gonna believe it if it's totally pathetic.

And yes: paradoxical, hypocritical, onomatopoetic, whatever big words you remember from your last year in high school, I am insulting you for insulting someone. Sucks to be you.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

I have to admit I've gone from Cloud Nine after the Seattle game -- with every confidence that we would summon a Herculean effort at defeat the Giants -- to the point where I was all but certain we'd lose this game, and now, having lost this one, I actually want to miss the playoffs.

Yeah, I mean that. We've seen several times now that a playoff berth brings out the worst in Danny and Vinnie, as recently as this past spring.

WR-TE-WR. Ugh.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 8, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Clegg - serious posting is over. Might as well move on.

Unless you want to rail on MrRedskins21 with us.

Piker? Where are you writing from, Merseyside?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

And how do you know that Jasno is biased if you don't read him?

Talk about small people . . .

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

MrRedskins21, I may enjoy the sport of putting you down for hating on the beat writer, but beating you down for hating NITPDX is WAY more fun.

Get a life. You are insulting people (calling them out on their "paradoxical" statements - really?) on a blog. I would love to find out for certain just how worthless a life you have. Go on: make something up for us. I'm only gonna believe it if it's totally pathetic.

And yes: paradoxical, hypocritical, onomatopoetic, whatever big words you remember from your last year in high school, I am insulting you for insulting someone. Sucks to be you.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:29 AM |

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stevie, I have to admit I love that little string you have hanging out of your back.

Every time I pull it, you reply.

You're doing a fine job, pal.

PS: Nice work on the Google/Thesaurus. We may make a writer (or since you want to emulate Jasno, a hack) out of you yet.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

SwiftIT, I don't think things would have been any different if Zorn called a perfect game. The Ravens are better on the defensive side of the ball.


Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 8, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

I guess we just disagree. Yes the Ravens D is better than the Skins O, but I think calling a perfect game probably would have made a difference. By your logic, Zorn's pre game speech should have been "Guys, there is nothing I can do to help you. Even if I anticipate every blitz and every zone coverage they use, they're just better than you are." Guess he should have just watched the game from Dan's heated suite and had a few crab cakes

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 8, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

That's all me, son. I'm smarter than you, too.

What have you written? THAT I'd look up.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

TC has 2 seasons in the WCO

Posted by: Realness1 | December 8, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21, whatever you want to throw my way, you know I'm good for it. Just trying to help you work through this.

The commenting community up here has always been first and foremost a support group for suffering Redskin addicts. No reason that shouldn't be cranking into high gear now that our postseason dreams are all but dashed.

So the question is: will the Skins eke out a win in Cincinnati and get all our hopes up again?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 8, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

I actually think I remember your style. What other names have you used here?

Keep pulling it, brother. I'm enjoying this way too much to quit.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse

That's all me, son. I'm smarter than you, too.

What have you written? THAT I'd look up.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:36 AM |
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You're reduced to "son?" Then stating you're smarter than me, i.e., declaring your intellectual prowess to an anonymous font?

Well, that's it. Game. Set. Match.

Sadly, you weren't that tough to crack.

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Well what can I say except reality has sunk in and the reality is this team is so far away from being a real contender. I was fooled by the early success and I admit I had visions of a deep playoff run this year. I was even thinking how great it would be to go to a home playoff game. Well my friends that is just not going to happen now is it? The bottom line is this is a team that can barely beat the so called bad teams and, and average enough to lose badly to the so called elite teams. The offensive and defensive lines are old and often injured. Cambell is an average to below average quarterback. The wide outs are too small and not physical enough to get open. Bottom line this team is going no where. Thanks Vinny and Danny for another bad season. Oh and one more thing what the hell where you thinking trading a second round pick of a past his prime bust Jason Taylor. He couldn't get pressure or a sack if the offensive line told him the snap count and didn't block him. He really sucks and so does this team!

Posted by: bigjofc | December 8, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Good cop - bad cop. Old school RI.

Go on, MrRedskin21. If you get serious and address Nate like a man and not a boy, I may stop goading you.

May.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

nate,

i've never been one to start discussing draft picks, but damn, it's hard not to start thinking about that.... It's all about the HOPE!!!! Now that ours is mostly dashed, no hope...

I'm an eternal GLASS IS FULL person..

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Nate, actually, I'm having fun watching two people (you and stevie) fail to read for content.

Had either of you bothered to read my original post on THIs topic (I know stevie must have, because he began crying to me right after that), you'd know what I said re Jasno haters and Jasno defenders.

Instead, you come across as two weak links looking for a font-fight (which is OK) via invented statements (which is lame).

I never stated Jasno was biased. I never said I hated him.

Scroll up and read; or, if you prefer, stay down here and keep clucking.

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Yep - find something in someone's post and turn it around as if it's an insult. Grasping. Seen that one about a thousand times.

Paradoxical-hypocritical? Calling someone out for not knowing their Murakami but then kvetching when someone points out they are smarter than you (and know it by the way you think and write)? Nice try.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Zorn can bench JC even if he wants to. I don't think Dan and Vin have given him that option. Sort of like when it was "Zorn's decision" to keep all the draft picks at the start of the season

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 8, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

stevie, oh, my original post is intact, and right above your incredibly small cranium.

But I'll save you any "expending of energy," since I'm in such a magnanimous mood.

_________::::

Here's some irony for ya:

The same people who wonder why others slam Jasno during the week are right there after a loss to say, "See? Jasno was right!"

I don't know which is worse, the people who read Jasno's entries and complain about him, or the people who have their heads stuck so far up his insides that they feel the need to run to his defense whenever the opportunity presents itself.

It's a hoot.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 12:12 AM


Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Zorn can bench JC even if he wants to. I don't think Dan and Vin have given him that option. Sort of like when it was "Zorn's decision" to keep all the draft picks at the start of the season

Posted by: SwiftIT | December 8, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, I think you're right. They did re sign TC to a 3 year deal though...

Posted by: Realness1 | December 8, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

I never accused you of being biased, MrRedskin21. I accused you of not knowing what a reporter's job was.

And you proved it.

All the idiocy you put in "font" stemmed from that.

Ha ha. Moron.

Besides, I suspect that, just as Nate put rather eloquently, you are up here to blow off some steam. Me too.

Go on, I enjoy this.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

stevie, you see now?

Your feeble mind only allows that one either be on Jasno's side or against him.

It never occurs to you that some of us find BOTH sides of the Jasno love/hate paradigm amusing.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

I think the posts are pretty good actually.... I'm sure there is some vitrial b.s. coming from him, as there is coming from the FO. I suppose it's better that way than the alternative.... we could be posting on LARRY MICHAELS' Blog and none of would know the deal...

Since I'm in Tx, I don't get the benefit of DC talk radio... however, i do hear that Vinny has a "Jason Meter"???? or something to that effect..

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21, you're all over the map... I don't "defend" La Canfora -- I readily admit he has a bias and grinds an axe and perpetuates a silly and counterproductive feud with the front office... but I still think he's the best source for unfiltered data available to us.

It never ceases to amaze me how we're all upset about losing another damned game that we woulda-coulda-shoulda won, and yet again we're up here casting stones at each other. Phooey!

Also, lest we forget, HAIL to 'em. Three more weeks of that, anyway...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 8, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

And how do you know that Jasno is biased if you don't read him?

Talk about small people . . .

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:34 AM |
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Then:
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I never accused you of being biased, MrRedskin21. I accused you of not knowing what a reporter's job was.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:50 AM
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There, there, steveie.

Here's a rag to wipe that messy egg from your face.

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

Ooh, magnanimous. M-W really is on overdrive tonight, isn't it?

You're not fooling anyone.

And who ever said that Jasno was right before you implied that he wasn't? I must have missed that.

Break break

Do we really believe that any other QB on the roster gives us a better shot? I don't see it, even if we were to mortgage the long-term for short-term gain.

Oh, and MrRedskin21: only idiots confuse Hunter Thompson for great literature. Now, great reporting, on the other hand . . .

(and no - I don't want to get into a fight about the distinct/false dichotomy between reportage and literature, you pedant.)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Nate, on the contrary, I'm not all over any map.

If you're too lazy to scroll up, I reposted my original post.

If you need an out, well, I don't blame you there. Nothing is quite as embarrasing as making an assumption, then having it bite you on the buttocks.

Still, I'm not one to lord it over others, so you're OK there.

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

HEY? YOU TERDS?

I'm getting jealous, not shown any attention here......? Cut the literary crap..... You guys have fun.. :-)

I'm exhausted reading your stuff...

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and MrRedskin21: only idiots confuse Hunter Thompson for great literature. Now, great reporting, on the other hand . . .

(and no - I don't want to get into a fight about the distinct/false dichotomy between reportage and literature, you pedant.)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 1:57 AM
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How many drinks have you HAD?

I didn't call HST "literature" (although I might consider "The Rum Diary" as such).

I said YOU probably consider Jackie Collins' novels "literature."

To paraphrase Jom Zorn, "Are you OK, steveie?"

Not sure why you bother misrepresenting my posts, since they're all right above you (and everyone else).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

I'm in the same boat as clegg, I'm far away and too lazy to avail myself of the internet radio broadcast from DC stations, so for two years now the blog (by which I mean the content posted by the Post and the beaucoup content pasted in or linked from the comments) has been my top source of Skins dope. And this is dope I crave, I gotta have.

I think the term Vinny and Larry have coined is "the Sourceror" because they cannot fathom that La Canfora -- or anyone, apparently -- could have a legitimate source providing negative information on how the team operates. Which tells you something about the fantasy land they're operating in (or want us to believe in). Boo!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 8, 2008 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn*.... Jom Zorn was an 8th century Shaolin monk.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

Wow, now you are confusing earlier and later posts. I suspect that Murakami "magic realism" may be seeping into your brain.

You want me to find the post original post where I set you straight, long before you accused Jasno of being a poor reporter (in its own right, not as part of a nuanced, devil's advocate position), at which point I then pointed out your own bias?

Really? Copy-and-paste is far less entertaining than insulting you anew.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

You want me to find the post original post where I set you straight, long before you accused Jasno of being a poor reporter (in its own right, not as part of a nuanced, devil's advocate position), at which point I then pointed out your own bias?

Really? Copy-and-paste is far less entertaining than insulting you anew.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 2:03 AM |
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Actually, I want you to find the post where I said HST was "literature." And the one where I said Jasno was "biased."

Good luck hunting those up.

I didn't say Jasno was a "poor reporter." I said he was a worthles hack whose one attempt at trying to break a big story ended up making him look like a fool.

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

NATE,

YOU'RE CORRECT SIR!!!!! That's what they say... "Sourceror".... There's a meter just like the "THREAT METER" yellow, orange, red etc....

I HOPE THEY Start doing that tomorrow on his radio show!! I wouldn't want to be in his seat tomorrow....

ON 2nd thought, either would any other GM, b/c they'd be shopping around to make a move to bolster their "offensive" line. And you can take only one meaning on "OFFENSIVE".... and I'm not referring to the meaning that "attacks"

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

Hmm... MrRedskin21, I think you chose this one... if you "read for content" my 1:16 post you'll see I didn't directly address you. You chose to include yourself in the group I addressed, and responded to me in your inimitable way at 1:22.

If you weren't hating on La Canfora before that, then you mistakenly took umbrage at what I wrote. Whoops.

On the other hand, if you were just up here trolling for an argument, kudos, I guess. The Skins still lost, and I bet we're both going to still feel lousy about that loss long after this stupid confab wraps up.

And your cutesy line above about my having a drink with La Canfora in Seattle... yeah, I've met up with him a few times, so what? I've met up with lots of people through this blog. I'd meet up with you and have a beer if the opportunity presented itself, and I bet you dollars to donuts it would be a hoot. Just bear that in mind when you're casually dismissing my comments because of some assumed relationship with the beat reporter...

This is boring and lame... shame on us...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 8, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

And as for "condolences"

I do not think it means what you think it means.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 8, 2008 1:26 AM
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I know exactly what it means, and what it references in your case.

Had you ever read Hunter S. Thompson, you'd know too.

But why would you read him? You've got Jasno to flutter over. A poor man's Grantland Rice (look that one up, it may do you some good).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

C'mon, now, see how boring that was? Your nitpicking about the point at which you brought up Thompson (in reference to vocabulary vice literature, I guess is your point) doesn't negate the thread you sought to pursue: insult people by showing off how smart you are (or how quickly you can find words in a thesaurus). But you're not, are you.

So where is that explanation as to why your life doesn't suck? Still busy creating a grandiose fiction?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Mmmm... donuts...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 8, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

If you weren't hating on La Canfora before that, then you mistakenly took umbrage at what I wrote. Whoops.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 8, 2008 2:08 AM

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Not at all.

What I pointed out was the ridiculousness of you asking why people would expend energy bashing the beat reporter when here you are, expending energy asking why THEY'RE expending energy.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Seriously Terds,

You guys won't let me go to bed.... Although, my wife Tivo'd "Britney's Report", so I suppose I could "log off" and watch that? However, my IQ would diminish more than what it has on this blog for the past 35 minutes... :-)

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

Because it's fun to beat up on you. You're not bad at this, just not as good as we are.

break break

Clegg, unfortunately, I believe Vinny isn't doing his show tomorrow. Point taken nonetheless: he won't enjoy what he has to hear.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

Also I will admit to being extra grumpy this evening... on top of the loss to the flingin' flangin' Ravens, we have a little one who's teething, so he's waking up every 12 minutes or so... poor little fella...

If only I could explain to him that when he's older, being a Redskins fan will hurt him so much more profoundly than that teething hurts now... surely that would make him sleep more easily, right?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 8, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

C'mon, now, see how boring that was? Your nitpicking about the point at which you brought up Thompson (in reference to vocabulary vice literature, I guess is your point) doesn't negate the thread you sought to pursue: insult people by showing off how smart you are (or how quickly you can find words in a thesaurus). But you're not, are you.

So where is that explanation as to why your life doesn't suck? Still busy creating a grandiose fiction?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 2:09 AM |
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The reference "You have my condolences," was a frequent closing line used by HST in his letters. As for "vocabulary vice literature," I'll assume you meant versus?

PS: I'm glad you think I'm smart. I'd have never stated it myself.

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

Look at the list of Redskins coaches of the modern era who blew tremendous starts and missed the playoffs, a list Jim Zorn is about to join. Like Zorn, they were nice guys. Like Zorn, they were failures as head coaches. With one exception.

1978: Jack Pardee. The Redskins started 6-0 and were still in good shape at 8-3. Pardee's guys lost the last five games and missed the playoffs.
1979: Pardee. The Redskins started 6-2, and they would have won the NFC East with a road victory over Dallas in the regular-season finale. Instead, they suffered a soul-destroying 35-34 loss to the Cowboys, finished with a 10-6 record and missed the playoffs on a tiebreaker. I will say this for Pardee: His star-crossed crew (including Joe Theismann, John Riggins, Mark Moseley, Dave Butz, Mark Murphy, George Starke, Neal Olkewicz, Joe Lavender, Don Warren, Tony Peters, Clarence Harmon, Perry Brooks, etc.) formed the nucleus of the team that won Super Bowl XVII for Joe Gibbs.
1996: Norv Turner. A 7-1 start turned into a 9-7 record. Once again, no playoffs.
2000: Turner. There was a 6-2 start before the season descended into madness and an 8-8 record.

One exception to the rule:
1975: George Allen. In the days of the old 14-game schedule, Washington started 6-2. But two overtime losses, including the infamous phantom touchdown pass in St. Louis, triggered a slump and an 8-6 final record. I give Allen the benefit of the doubt. He bounced back and had the Redskins in the playoffs in 1976. Without his immense contributions, there would have been no NFC championship in 1972, and the rivalry with the Cowboys wouldn't be what it is. Allen built the foundation and stoked the fan frenzy, and Gibbs did the rest. I give Allen a pass for 1975.

So is Zorn going to be fondly remembered, like Allen? Or is Zorn going to be a Pardee or a Turner?

I see no indication that Zorn will turn it around this season. Or ever. He seems to have no leadership skills. His team, in the thick of the playoff chase, keeps coming out flat. This isn't Seattle, Jim. This is Washington, which was once a cornerstone franchise. I don't know if Zorn understands that. The way he called plays three weeks ago against the Cowboys, he seemed scared. Even more than the debacle against the Rams, that Dallas loss ruined the Redskins' season.

I'll always be a Redskins fan, and I hope I'm wrong about Zorn. But I don't think I am.

You know, I saw all three of the Redskins' Super Bowl wins. I enjoyed them all. I savored the moments. I've been to the top three times, so why do I want more?

Posted by: gaspeny | December 8, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Because it's fun to beat up on you. You're not bad at this, just not as good as we are.

break break

Clegg, unfortunately, I believe Vinny isn't doing his show tomorrow. Point taken nonetheless: he won't enjoy what he has to hear.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 2:13 AM |
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stevie, whatever you do, don't speak for yourself.

I wonder if you realize how much your use of "we" and "us" makes you come across as a girl in a high school social clique.

Hmmmmm.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Zorn will turn it around. As soon as he realizes (and maybe after tonight he has) that you can't call the exact same game week after week and expect better and better results.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Hip Hip Hof*cking-ray

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | December 8, 2008 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Wow, such a pedant. Vice versus versus? Really? And the definition of "is" is . . .?

C'mon now, "we're" waiting, what do you do? Your nitpicking (it's a blog, son) and reference to high school cliques says high school lit teacher to me. Waddya got?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

Amazing how injuries to key players can effect a football team...

The Skins injures include: T Samuels, G Kendall, G Thomas, T Jansen, RB Portis, DE Carter, DT Golston, DT Griffin, DT Montgomery, LB Washington, LB Fletcher, SS Horton, CB Springs. Twenty-two percent of the players are hurt.

The offensive and defensive lines have been decimated. At least LB Fletcher played hurt and still had 12 tackles. Five of the front seven starting defensive players are hurt as are four out of five starting offensive linemen.

Special teams have been a liability all year. I'm not sure if it's the players or the coach (Smith). However, the blocking schemes are terrible and either kicker deserves to be on the team next week.

It is difficult to win when one phase of the game is dominated every week. Special teams are probably the worst in the NFL. Even with extensive injuries -- the defense has held up -- but the lack of depth on the offensive line and at RB has doomed the offense.

Posted by: siris | December 8, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Well, stevie is beginning to repeat himself (i.e., "son," "pedant"), so I guess I'm going to hit the sack.

Things should look look slightly better in the morning, once we've all convinced ourselves that if the Redskins can just win their last three games, they will make the playoffs.

Ha.

'Night.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 8, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

Siris,

OF YOUR 22% OF PLAYERS HURT, HOW MANY OF THEM ARE OVER THE AGE OF 30?

clegg

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 2:28 AM | Report abuse

True, Siris, but not really an acceptable reason given the success of team with a similar (or higher) number of injuries who continue to have greater success.

MrRedskin21, you still haven't answered the important questions?

I'll sum them up into one, simple-like for ya: why are you such a tool?

(Though I still want to know how a grown human being can still fail to know what a reporter's job is.)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Siris,

ONE THING I DO AGREE WITH YOU ON IS SPECIAL TEAMS....

WHEN DOES THE "FIRE DANNY SMITH" START???

OUR "TEAMS" ARE TERRIBLE!!!

clegg

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

(wow, it is late. Great grammar, Ty.)

Have you guys noticed how Zorn is always conferring with Smith in "tactically challenging" (for lack of a better term) situations? I don't believe it's only about purely teams-related concerns. He seems to need Smith's advice rather often.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 8, 2008 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Stevie,

AGREED!!!! I DON"T SEE DANNY's Name, ( Danny Smith that is ) name anywhere else for a coaching opportunity... I'm out!!!!!

God Bless you guys!!!!
HTTR!!!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 8, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

This was not our finest moment.
Time to sit back and see what they can do with the rest of this season. I'd like to see them really test these rookies.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 8, 2008 4:25 AM | Report abuse

A lot has been said and written about some of the more obvious problems these Redskins have: offensive line woes, defensive line woes, etc.

I wanted to touch on a different point and that is Zorn's coaching ability. Now, Zorn is clearly a superior QB coach and has shown to be a pretty good playcaller some of the time. However, what is unclear is his leadership ability. Football games in Dec and Jan are won by great schemes, to be sure, but more by heart and desire. Say what you want about Gibbs the second time around but 5 and 4 game runs to finish of the season in 2005 and 2007 and make the playoffs were nothing short of legendary. And that was mainly because of Gibbs' ability to motivate and a be a true leader of men.

It's unclear whether Zorn is of the same mettle. It's likely that he's so overwhelmed with his other myriad of responsibilities that he doesn't have enough energy and time left to devote to truly motivating and leading his charges. However, it just may be that Zorn doesn't have it in him to be that kind of leader. Recall, some of the criticisms coming from Seattle upon word of Zorn getting the head job was a sentiment that Zorn was a brilliant tactician and would probably be great as an offensive coordinator, but a true leader? Nah, too quirky and eccentric. And if such criticism turns out to be true, it should be of much greater concern to Redskins nation than anything that has transpired in the last few games.

The hope is that Zorn has just been overwhelmed with wearing too many hats this season and has not been able to master any one thing. Next year, he'll have these 16 games (dare I say more) of experience to draw from. And, hopefully, he has it in him to be the leader a great head coach MUST be in order to be truly successful.

Indeed, part of being a great leader is recognition that something is amiss. Zorn, as offensive coordinator, has shown an unwillingness to change that is slighly alarming. Yes, it is understandable that he wants his team playing at a certain tempo and that they're not there yet. Gadget and trick plays are a second level that is to be mastered after the basic offense is mastered. However, when it's clear that the offense is unwilling or incapable of reaching that level this season, some gadgetry in the playcalling (even if it comes "after" the basic stuff in the order in which things must be mastered) is necessary. I'm sure it's abhorrent to Zorn, the teacher, that advanced aspects have to be mastered even more the basic things are. However, what you get is a complete lack of variety that John Madden contrasted with Baltimore's willingness to try different things to help their rookie QB and keep opposing defenses off balance.

Posted by: hailbg | December 8, 2008 4:54 AM | Report abuse

I can't say I'm surprised! What surprised me more was the start to the season.

What do we have?

-An old injury prone offensive line with NO backups. Yeah, they were "fresh" to start the year and good!
-One small injury prone receiver. The rest are just junk!
-A great back that thinks he is Jerome Bettis and will have multiple injuries the rest of his career if he takes 20+ snaps a game. How many more years does he have left anyway?
-A very middle of the road defensive line where nobody can get pressure. Any young studs around there either? No.
-A linebacking core that is decent, but Fletcher is old, McIntosh has iffy knees, Marcus Washington is finito. Any young studs there? No.
-Decent cornerbacks even without Springs.
-Safeties? Well, I like our safeties.

Anyway, I think it only gets uglier. Depth and age are our biggest enemies! Where do you start in the draft? We still need receivers after wasting 3 good picks on them last year. I guess I would draft a defensive line stud first and other lineman with every pick next year. Maybe throw in a linebacker as well. Hell, how many picks do we have? And do you trust Vinny Cerrato with those choices? I sure as hell don't!

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 8, 2008 5:03 AM | Report abuse

I think that the whole "Redskins can't play night games" thing is kinda stupid. I don't think it's cause they're playing at night, I think it's cause they just suck and they can't do anything about. The same thing goes for home games, we suck everywhere we play now. Steelers, cowboys, giants, ravens: every game has been the same old stuff no matter where it's been played.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 8, 2008 6:20 AM | Report abuse

Ok, I have to admit.

This falls on Vinny.

He hired Zorn as the Head Coach.

Zever should that have happened.....

OC? maybe. But we don't have a WC QB, so maybe not...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 8, 2008 6:31 AM | Report abuse

JLaC - It was close dude. WTF are you talking about.

Our defense stopped these guys on all but 2 drives. Which were the 1st and the last ravens drive.

If only are offense was fluid. Fluid it is not.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 8, 2008 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Anyone think this offense magically changes in these last three games?

Posted by: rachel216 | December 8, 2008 6:38 AM | Report abuse

If Zorn remains the HEad Coach during that stretch and Buges isn't inserted?

capital NO.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 8, 2008 6:42 AM | Report abuse

1st time this season I turned a game off before it ended. I think we can still beat Cincy and maybe SF. On the plus side, we should get a 4th place schedule next year.

Mock draft time baby!

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 8, 2008 6:53 AM | Report abuse

The bad? My season is over.
The good? My season is over.

The NFL had it figured out around week 7. Punch the Redskins in the mouth at the opening bell and they'll roll over and die. Madden had it right last night, this team won't play hard and if without coming right out and specifically saying it (he couldn't) he said the Skins are soft. Look what the Eagles did yesterday to the same Giants that kicked the crap out of us... pretty simple really, they MANNED UP!

I don't give a crap Jansen or Samuels is hurt, or how many wins they will get! Who freakin cares?

I'll also say it; F-U DANNY, I hope you choke on your millions. F-U VINNIE, you're a fraud - time to go shine Daddy's shoes. You've both ruined this franchise. Please go away.

FANS SEND A MESSAGE - Stop going to games, stop buying t-shirts, stop everything...EMPTY THE SEATS NOW!!! I will not spend another hard-earned dollar on, or another precious minute watching, this bunch of overpaid, soft, spoiled, DOGS.

I'm done, over and out. GO STEELERS!!!!

Posted by: kone | December 8, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

kone,

don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 8, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Two things we learned last night:

1) Heyer is better then either OT that currently starts. When they put him on the left side they actually blocked better. The OL still sucks.

2) Jason Campbell absolutely 100% does not know how to finish a season. He ALWAYS fades the second half and does not know how to adjust to different schemes. He has looked very confused the last couple weeks and that has nothing to do with just blocking.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 8, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

football is simple really, beat the man in front of you and the play has a chance. the talent isn't there to do that on either Line, LB's average at best if not below. WR's? talk about a dead horse, QB. hmm I'm starting to think if he had 7-8 seconds to throw, (like all QB's that play us do) he'd still not make it happen.

Our defensive secondary is really good, that's why we're even in any of these games. I feel their talent is wated though. Imagine a really good D-line and that secondary! I feel the same way about CP, imagine if he had a good O-lion.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 8, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

wow, i need to wake up before I type. previous post should be "wasted" and O-line, not lion.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 8, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Original_etrod - C'mon now, come with me... you know you want to. It's OK, it's not our team anymore.

Posted by: kone | December 8, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

kone,

I've always liked the Steelers as my second favorite team. Guess because I'm old enough to remember them beating the Cowboys in those superbowls in the 70's.

You know the Steelers will keep fighting, not the skins of the last decade.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 8, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

"....and its only scores came off gift turnovers from the defense deep in Baltimore territory."

What? You mean Baltimore never scored on a turnover last night? Ed Reed?

Wow, I must have missed that Jason. Yes, the Skins are bad and that last drive sucked big time but com'on man. It works both ways.

Please report, not give opinions. It's getting harder and harder to defend you these days. :(

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 8, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

"....and its only scores came off gift turnovers from the defense deep in Baltimore territory."

What? You mean Baltimore never scored on a turnover last night? Ed Reed?


JLC is right, the posting reads, ONLY scores.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 8, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

a comment about halftime. Anyone else had enough of Dan Patrick and Olberman.. listening to those two is almost as bad as it must be to change adult diapers in a nursing home.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 8, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

That stunk, to put it nicely. (sigh)....anyone know whats up with Portis, and why he was benched? Seems silly to me, at this point in time to do something like that......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Zorn said that it was lack of communication between Portis and Sherman Smith whatever that means.

Portis said he was benched.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 8, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Shouldn't Zorn then bench Smith, because his playcalling has sucked all year long??

Maybe its me, but Zorn needs to pick his battles, and I'm not so sure that pissing off Clinton should be one of them....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone see how bad Sellers played last night, he was letting guys right buy him in pass protection. He also just stood there one time and Betts ran right buy him and got hit at the line of scrimmage.

It was the same tired offense last night, this team needs to make some changes and fast.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 8, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

lsskinsfan - Same here. The Skins started to lose me when Snyder began the money-grubbing and fantasy football stuff. He's just so low class. The team's uninspired, soft play has just pushed me over the edge. They're flat-out spoiled.

To fans it's personal, I guess it shouldn't be but I need to feel proud to say I'm a fan. I can't do that now so it's time to move on - I'll check back in the off season and see if any changes are made. It does not look good though, so much of the future has been mortgaged for what we have now.

Posted by: kone | December 8, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

That's the funny thing Zorn calls the plays not Smith.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 8, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

+++Stop crying that all is lost. If the team listened to you all, we'd finish 7-9. Pathetic. Get a grip, get a clue and get some balls. Oh, and get some loyalty too - add that to the laundry list

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG +++

You'd have made a great cheerleader for the knight in Monty Python & The Holy Grail. Balls are nice, but you wouldn't happen to have a couple of starting offensive tackles handy, would you?

Blind allegiance to a bankrupt organization isn't loyalty, it's insanity.


Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse


After reading this post by Cork I felt is is overdue to establish a Cork fan club!

WELL SAID, AS ALWAYS CORK!!!!

Posted by: Soup17 | December 8, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

That's the funny thing Zorn calls the plays not Smith.

Posted by: Flounder21

Maybe CP was insubordinate and banged up and Zorn sat him down??? we'll never know probably.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 8, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Flound, thanks, maybe Z should bench himself.


"so it's time to move on"

kone, quit telling us about you MOVING ON, and just do it.

Get. To. Steppin....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Blind allegiance to a bankrupt organization isn't loyalty, it's insanity.

==========================================
X1000

Posted by: kone | December 8, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

you're another one beantown... come with me over to the bright side - where you can fall asleep easily on sunday nights with a smile and not through gritted teeth. where you wake up Mondays with your remote control not sticking through the broken glass of your HD plasma TV.

Posted by: kone | December 8, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

is it really fair to throw J-Camp under the bus when he doesnt even have enough time to drop back and get a read on his receivers?

yeah, he threw behind the RBs a couple of times on the 5 yard hitches, but that was when he was on the run, with multiple guys in his face. I don't think JC has played badly enough to be demoted, or even consider being demoted.

Posted by: kman2 | December 7, 2008 11:45 PM

Can we all agree to stop making excuses for Campbell with the O line and "not having time to throw" ? Rothlisberger has the worst O line in the league in terms of getting sacked and pressured but you don't see him crying about it.

OTOH, Zorn needs to realize that Campbell will NEVER be a drop back passer; he needs to be in the shotgun on passing downs or audible to the shotgun when the D is showing blitz.

Posted by: TS_Alfabet | December 8, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

"Actually, I think he was right about that too. How many cold weather teams have won the Super Bowl running the WCO? I can think of 1, Green Bay with Farve in his prime (and a lot of help from Desmond Howard kick returns)"

Hmmm.... anyone remember San Fran and some guy named BILL WALSH????

Posted by: TS_Alfabet | December 8, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn is clearly out of his element. He cannot get it done right now. Can he get it done in the future? Who knows. But the guy has zero ability (or even inclination) to make adjustments. It's beyond awful. He's an elementary coach in a professional world.

And beyond that, the entire team is built backwards.

A west coast team playing in east coast weather.

A team where the highest priority for rebuilding are the positions furthest from the line of scrimmage.

A rookie head coach with a veteran, playoff team.

None of it meshes.

Even if this team lucks out and gets help from multiple teams to get to the playoffs, they have no shot at beating anywhere close to elite defenses.

Posted by: spizzle

Posted by: spizzle | December 7, 2008 11:37 PM
Wow if this post isn't spot on! Can you say OVERWHELMED to the highest degree.

Posted by: joeboggs | December 8, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

what the crap is a gift turnover?!

Posted by: trolly_time | December 8, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

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