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Ethan Albright Re-Signs

Meant to post this much earlier but we had a little snafu. Sorry about that.
Skins long-time longsnapper Ethan Albright did his annual rite of passage - signing a one-year vet minimum deal with the team. It generally goes down the week after the Pro Bowl every year.

Albright is as good as they get. Never flubbed one in the NFL and hasn't missed a game in forever.

Also, the Skins claimed RB Anthony Alridge off waivers from Denver. Alridge spent last season on IR and has some return skills. Tough position to crack on this team (ask Marcus Mason), but he'll be camp fodder if nothing else.

Oh yeah, and P Ryan Plackemeir, who was released this week, was claimed off waivers by Cincy.

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 13, 2009; 8:00 PM ET
 
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You won't have Plackemeir to kick around anymore!

(Fixed ur typo, Jasno.)
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 13, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I mean I tried to fix it.

Ryan Steven Plackemeier (born March 5, 1984) is an American football punter.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 13, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

At the shabingus last year, Jasno said he'd stopped reading our posts on his blog. But I think he's reading them pretty closely since we reported all this stuff about six hours ago.

Thanks, Jasno, for keeping us current.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 13, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

And, Jasno, what you missed was that the 'Skins weren't the only team who claimed Anthony Aldridge. Minnesota tried to get him, too, but we beat them by virtue of a worse record.

Minnesota, if they'd gotten him, would have traded Adrian Peterson for a couple of good picks in like the next eight drafts. And, by the way, the Skins could have drafted Adrian Peterson but took Laron Landry instead. Vinny may be trying to trade Anthony Aldridge to the Vikes for Adrian Peterson.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 13, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Tough position to crack on this team (ask Marcus Mason), but he'll be camp fodder if nothing else.

By Jason La Canfora | February 13, 2009; 8:00 PM ET

News flash to Jasno: RB is a tough position to crack on any team if you're Marcus Mason. He couldn't do it in Washington, Baltimore, or New York. Maybe it says more about Marcus Mason than about the Redskins?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 13, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

TE, Our main RB went to the Pro Bowl. Our backup, Betts has had a 1,000 yard season not long ago and is capable of being an every down back, if needed.

Our 3rd back, Rock has been solid returning kicks and is on several teams. Our FB went to the Pro Bowl. So unless you are getting a back that's going to take serious PT away from Portis, it is tough to crack the Skins at an RB spot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 13, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

When will the Post wake up and realize that LaConfora is a shtty reporter? The AP had this story hours before he did, and THIS is supposed to be Redskisn Insider???????? HE SUCKS SO BAD!!!!!!!

Posted by: kdjsgreen | February 13, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I love me some big red snapper.

And KDJ, quit complaining. Im sure he has a life like (most of) the rest of us; Im sure hes not around the computer ALL THE TIME, especially in the middle of Februaru, and Albright resigning isnt exactly earth shattering.

Stick to reading the AP and ESPN if you want your info that way. See how that works come draft/FA/training camp time when there is no info anywhere else.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 13, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

So was Jeremy Cain signed as long-snapping insurance in case Albright didn't return? Or do they want an extra snapper in camp? Or has the Z-man given up on Heyer and Jansen's pass protection at RT (or Campbell's footwork on deep drops) and intends to snap to JC in punt formation on passing downs?

Posted by: csh2000 | February 13, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

So unless you are getting a back that's going to take serious PT away from Portis, it is tough to crack the Skins at an RB spot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 13, 2009 8:53 PM

Taking time from Portis is a good idea. Dude broke down before the end of the season. Rock is a special teams guy and is not a RB. And I'm not one to give up on Betts, but he's too much like Portis just not as good. Simple fact is that is Marcus Mason is all the competition that these guys have had, then they haven't really been tested. He hasn't had any impact on three separate NFL teams. I'm not convinced that Aldridge is the answer, but he has a fair chance.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 13, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

"Albright resigning isnt exactly earth shattering"

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 13, 2009 9:12 PM

If you believe that....Then you know nothing about football much at all....

Posted by: leevi98 | February 13, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I love how JLC has all these ham fisted excuses for any mistake that he makes. (uh....i had a bad stomach virus and was a little out of it when I said Eddie Royal was a poccession reciever......uhhhhh i meant to post this a lot sooner)

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 13, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11 says "And KDJ, quit complaining. Im sure he has a life like (most of) the rest of us; Im sure hes not around the computer ALL THE TIME, especially in the middle of Februaru, and Albright resigning isnt exactly earth shattering."

That's a dumb enough comment to you Redskin FO material. It is his J O B and given that it was a weekday afternoon I would think he should always have access to posting. Maybe you can wake tomorrow and learn that Obama won the election.

Most of) the rest of is do like our news accurate and timely. Do you know that his sole purpose for this paper is to cover the team which entails posting current news?

But I guess I should "Stick to reading the AP and ESPN if you want your info that way".


Posted by: dlr13754 | February 13, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

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"Break was over 15 minutes ago________________"

Posted by: rickyroge | February 13, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | February 13, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

You guys are whacked!! You're all lathered up because JLC posted this six hours later than some other rag and you want timely news. I want timely news too, but get real!!....this is pre-pre-season football, for goodness sake!! How 'timely' do you need it? Do you need to make an early trade in your fantasy league? Wake up!

Posted by: pig_skins | February 14, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm lathered up because I followed the instructions on the shampoo -- lather, rinse, repeat -- and I haven't figured out when they want me to stop.

Posted by: daggar | February 14, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

"Albright resigning isnt exactly earth shattering"

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 13, 2009 9:12 PM

If you believe that....Then you know nothing about football much at all....

Posted by: leevi98 | February 13, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Umm, are you serious? Albright has been signing the same contract at the same time of year for many years running now. If you actually knew about the team, you would know that. Instead of just trying to act like a football genius. Nice try though.

And to DIR - RI said recently its going to be a 'slow' news time - its one of the slowest times of the year, and im sure the folks are taking some relaxed time. Not to mention he said there was a 'snafu'.

Seriously, if you have such a problem with it, don't read it at all. Stick to the AP newswires then.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 14, 2009 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Anybody got any tips? I'm pretty sure my hair is clean at this point, and the water started getting cold yesterday...

Posted by: daggar | February 14, 2009 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Wow. I feel like the bottom of the barrel has been scraped with this thread and the attached comments. Let's hurry up and get the FO reg. season started alredy. This training camp crap is boring.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 14, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Jason LaCanfora does not like Vinny Cerrato or Dan Snyder and never passes up a chance to let em' know.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 14, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Ethan Albright aka Ethan Allen fears the day that Leigh Torrence decides to give long snapping a try!

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | February 14, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

although sigining ethan albright is not "earth shattering" this blog is called REDSKINS INSIDER and its La Crapolas JOB!!!

I'm sure he does a little piggy squeal and rubs his fat greasy fingers together when the FO screws up (which happens a lot)

we are just pointing out that he while vinny must have pictures of snyder filating tom cruise, JLC must have some pretty incrimidating evidence of his own to still have a job.

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 14, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

rickyroge,
Same could be said for some of the posters about JLC, save the fact that he does not read posts.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 14, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Wow. I feel like the bottom of the barrel has been scraped with this thread and the attached comments. Let's hurry up and get the FO reg. season started alredy. This training camp crap is boring.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 14, 2009 7:19 AM
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No reason we can't just go all out O.T.

I, for one, find it distressing when chRis laRry is not happy with our blogging, and such as.

Angelina Jolie is Creeped Out by Octuplets' Mom

And if that isn't enough, here's more about Sheriff Leon Lott and his quest to bring Michael Phelps to Justice™.

(Comments gold at the 2nd link.)

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 14, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Okay, Ethan Albright is a great long snapper, and granted, that position can cause headaches if you don't have the right guy in that slot, but wouldn't it be nice to have someone a little more versatile and athletic in that position? For instance, a third or fourth tight end or emergency offensive lineman would come in handy.

As for gnat sized speedster running backs, the Redskins now have two. Could it be they are trying to develop an economical changeup back like the Chargers' Sproles or the Titans Johnson? Speed seems to be the item of interest here along with kick returner skills. Could Cartwright's days be numbered?

As for Plackemeir going to Cincy, I wish him nothing but the best. I think the Skins should have given him the chance to compete next season instead of axing him so early.

The Redskins need to start treating their team less like a business and more like a team. Players that work hard should hold the job until somone who's better takes it from them. What they did to Plack was wrong. The way they gave Stephon Heyer's job back to Jansen last year was wrong: players should not lose jobs due to injuries. This plain and simple message should get through: you win and lose your job by how you perform day in and day out on the field. When players see things don't work like this, do you think they want to give it their best?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 14, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

the whole point of this blog is to get he news faster than you could anywhere else, or at least get more details or inside info. JLC gets none of that. he pretends to be this football know-it-all but really doesn't know much more than the average fan. he's a great faker. I used to love JLC about 4 years ago, but have since noticed that his beef with the redskins FO is making it so he doesn't get the news that others get. it doesn't matter if that is his fault or Vinny's, all that matters is that it is an obvious detriment to the Redskins Insider blog content.

And whoever called the AP a rag is an idiot, it's not even a paper buddy. It's a news wire basically, that almost any paper can pick up stories from. And they usually never get the Inside dirt first, which is why JLC should be utterly embarrassed.

And yes, why does he bother always telling us that he messed up because he was sick, or his kids were sick, or his house was for sale, or whatever. I don't care. If I used that excuse for not doing my job as often as he does I'd be fired.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | February 14, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins need to start treating their team less like a business and more like a team.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 14, 2009 10:41 AM

I'm wondering if this might be why they missed the playoffs last year?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 14, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

We all already know what the headline is going to be the morning after free agency begins:

SKINS SIGN LECHLER TO MAKE HIM THE HIGHEST PAID PUNTER OF ALL TIME

You all know its going to happen and dont be surprised to see mike nugent in burgundy and gold either.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | February 14, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

And whoever called the AP a rag is an idiot, it's not even a paper buddy. It's a news wire basically, that almost any paper can pick up stories from. And they usually never get the Inside dirt first, which is why JLC should be utterly embarrassed.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | February 14, 2009 11:31 AM |

On the scale of idiocy, calling "the AP a rag" has to be pretty close to the bottom, say just above not knowing the names of all the Great Lakes.

"Utterly embarrassed" because someone else posted a story about a long-snapper and a waiver claim? Did you see where that story went in today's print editions?

Dude, it's off season. Get a grip. Lay off the caffeine. Sheesh. "Utterly embarrassed" is when you fart out loud in church not when you print minutiae in the newspaper the day after the AP circulates it.

More evidence for ChRiS LarRy's observation that RI has become an unfunny version of "Ground Hog Day."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 14, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

REDSKINHEAD; What? Are you crazy? job security based on performance? NAW,that wouldn't work that's crazy lose your starting spot due to injury yes that way it show's you that loyalty is just a word in our orginazation so when an oppossing DE tries to crush your QB, why bother to go all out protecting him, since the coaching staff doesn't care enough about you the player, and shows absolutely no allegiance,indeed why bother.

Posted by: dargregmag | February 14, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

SkinHead-- Albright was the NFC ProBowl long snapper... I just wonder why the Skins don't sign him to more than single year contracts.

Plackemeier was the worst punter in the league statistically. With four or five better punters available in free agency -- this was a good move that trimmed the Skins salary cap by 500K.

LT Heyer initially lost the RT job because he injured his shoulder and missed four weeks. He's still learning the RT position and was less effective than Jansen at run blocking.

Posted by: siris | February 14, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

A franchise punter only makes 2.5 million dollars. The Skins should be able to sign someone better than Plackemeier for less...

Posted by: siris | February 14, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the Skins let All-Pro's like Mason and Torrence go, they made the Pro-Bowl on their new teams!

That is not one but TWO Pro-Bowlers that got away! TWO!

I hope they have nice things to say about the Skins during their HOF induction ceremony.

Hopefully they'll retire in the same season so when it's their times Skins fans will invade Canton and make it RFK II up there!

I can imagine the chants "MAYYY-SON! MAYYYYY-SON! LEIGH.LEIGH.LEITH!"

We'll all reminisce about Mason's multiple 1000 yd seasons - remember that time against the 'Boys in late December where he went for 30 carries for 210 and the GW TD with :02 seconds left! That cemeneted his legacy.

And who could forget that pick-6 Torrence had in the NFC Championship game to seal the deal!

Two great HOF'ers in Mason and Torrence!

Posted by: IHateJLC | February 14, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

iHATE JLC you left stuff out man.

Don't forget Cameron Wake breaking Bruce Smiths all time sack record, and Eddie Royal using his huge 5 10" frame to make highlight reel catches through traffic with safeties on his back.

JLC would like to be covering their HOF ceremony but he will be either (sick, selling his house or having a computer snafu) not like he has a job to do

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 14, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

http://www.profootballtalk.com/

Vote for Chris Cooley today! (scroll down a little after clicking the link)

Posted by: jgarrisn | February 14, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

+++Anybody got any tips? I'm pretty sure my hair is clean at this point, and the water started getting cold yesterday...

Posted by: daggar+++

No, but I’m thankful you’re not in a position where you could do real harm, like an economist, or airline pilot, or Moyle.

Posted by: TheCork | February 14, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

+++Jason LaCanfora does not like Vinny Cerrato or Dan Snyder and never passes up a chance to let em' know.

Posted by: rickyroge+++

Wow, and someone said the Albright signing isn’t “earth-shattering news.”

Posted by: TheCork | February 14, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

+++Okay, Ethan Albright is a great long snapper, and granted, that position can cause headaches if you don't have the right guy in that slot, but wouldn't it be nice to have someone a little more versatile and athletic in that position? For instance, a third or fourth tight end or emergency offensive lineman would come in handy.+++—Redskinshead.

Albright is a pretty decent special teams player, and is often one of the first on the scene after a punt. Of course, with the Redskin punters, that means he only has to run about ten yards, but he’s an athlete.

Posted by: TheCork | February 14, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

+++RB is a tough position to crack on any team if you're Marcus Mason. He couldn't do it in Washington, Baltimore, or New York. Maybe it says more about Marcus Mason than about the Redskins?

Posted by: talent_evaluator+++


I see your logic. And I guess we can say the same thing about the WRs the 'skins acquired, right? Except it's the Redskins who draft or sign (and re-sign) these guys as FAs, so they have to accept at least an equal share of the blame.

You have to wonder about the guys who DON'T pass the Redskins retention test, and go on to fame and fortune elsewhere. Ryan Clark and Aontnio Pierce have Superbowl Rings. Dockery, who should have been signed earlier is doing fine in Buffalo and there are three-four former Redskin QBs who've recently graced other team’s rosters.

And to top it all off, Leigh Torrence sits on the Right Hand of God.

Posted by: TheCork | February 14, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

We'll all reminisce about Mason's multiple 1000 yd seasons - remember that time against the 'Boys in late December where he went for 30 carries for 210 and the GW TD with :02 seconds left! That cemeneted his legacy.

And who could forget that pick-6 Torrence had in the NFC Championship game to seal the deal!

Two great HOF'ers in Mason and Torrence!

Posted by: IHateJLC | February 14, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

What about the time when We were ahead by 2 points with 3 seconds left against Dallas. Dallas went for the game winning 25 yard field goal but it was blocked by Leigh Torrence!!!! Or what about the time when the Skins were down by five points against the Eagles. It was 4th and goal from the 5 and Marcus Mason ran for the game winning TD! He actually carried 7 Eagles with him into the endzone for the final 2 yards!!!

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | February 14, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I think you guys miss the point with Aldridge and Dominique dorsey. These guys are small , fast, and explosive scatback type guys. We need more explosion on KO/punt return games as well as a guy who can take a pass out of the backfield and make a big play. I think they are very good , cheap pick-ups that address a need . Marcus Mason has shown he was overblown

Posted by: redskinsdad7 | February 14, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Well, another FA signing period has arrived.
At the close of the season I posted on this site I hoped the Skins would part ways with the following:

Jason Fabini
Philip Daniels
Marcus Washington
Shawn Springs
John Jansen
James Thruah
Jason Taylor
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Looks like I am striking out as FO is resigning players whose productivity or lack thereof has in my eyes not warranted such action.

someone asked me if we shouldn't trade Thrash for a #7 rd pick.

No one; NO ONE in the NFL is going to give up a 7th Rd pick for James Thrash.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | February 14, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

And to top it all off, Leigh Torrence sits on the Right Hand of God.

Posted by: TheCork

Cork, yore rong as usual.
God is Leigh's left hand man, obviously.
[and if you don't know who his right-hand man is, then I feel truly sorry for you. I'll give you a hint... he uses a night light.]

Posted by: daggar | February 14, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

While watching the Pro Bowl and the Redskins' representatives Potis, Cooley and Sellers, it occurred to me that each fumbled the ball in critical games down the stretch, contributing to losses that ultimately cost the team a playoff spot. So much for stuffing the ballot box.

Posted by: scg1055 | February 15, 2009 3:04 AM | Report abuse

RedskinRay,

Fabini is an unrestricted free-agent the others were under contract. Jansen and Randle El were not going to get cut anyway because of cap hits it would cost to let them go.

Happy Festivus!

Posted by: bangkokben | February 15, 2009 4:52 AM | Report abuse

redskinsray1:

This list:
Jason Fabini
Philip Daniels
Marcus Washington
Shawn Springs
John Jansen
James Thrash
Jason Taylor
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Is going to wind up looking like this when the season starts:

Philip Daniels
John Jansen
Jason Taylor: re-worked deal
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The only major change beyond those will be the increase in the number of DC area Redskins' fans who'll jump on the Ravens Bandwagon claiming they support the best pro football team in the region.

Moe senses the FO wants to maximize and get whatever benefits it has in the roster as it is presently constructed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 15, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Moe senses the FO wants to maximize and get whatever benefits it has in the roster as it is presently constructed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 15, 2009 8:31 AM

I would put it a little differently. The FO has painted itself into a corner and has very little flexibility to change the roster. And recent contract restructurings are continuing the trend. I'm not sure how the Redskins will ever build a quality roster with the way they do business.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 15, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead wrote: "The Redskins need to start treating their team less like a business and more like a team."

Now, I'd disagree with that. My theory is that the Redskin ownership has to start treatment team less like a Fantasy Football team and more like an NFL franchise.

Which translates to:
1) avoiding expensive, big-name free agents (they've made progress in this respect).
2) picking a head coach VERY carefully instead of in some highly public fashion that results in an impulse hire. (well, they blew that one big-time with Zorn, but maybe they got lucky. They're stuck with him now, and they should stop talking to Cowher or whatever BigNameDuJour the Danster is enamored with.
3) Get a real GM and give him full authority. Think Scott Pioli in KC. Vinnie is nowhere near as bad as fans think, but he's a personnel guy, not a GM.
4) Stockpile draft choices. Contrary to popular opinion, free agency made draft choices more valuable rather than less. Stop trading them away to fill immediate needs (Jason Taylor). The fans can howl --- let them.
5) Stop paying so much attention to what the fans think they want. I know, I know, most of you are convinced Snyder is a soulless businessman interested only in profit, but the team might be better off if he were. As it is, his much-professed belief that the fans come first is overwhelming his better judgment. No offense, but what do we know about whether Jon Jansen should start ahead of Stephon Heyer? Have we ever coached either of them? Spent hours watching film of blocking technique? Read the trainers' report? Heck no. We read Jason Canfora. And frankly, how much do you think team sources would tell him about anything really important? When it comes to what counts, Jason's a mushroom.

Three things count in building a franchise. One, consistency of approach. Two, putting authority in the hands of the right people and leaving it there. Three, remembering that every so many years, you're going to have to turn over your personnel, so you better not wait to begin until your key guys are considering Medicare benefits.

Remember Jack Kent Cooke? An egomaniac, probably a thief, certainly not a nice man, but the guy knew how to build a franchise.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 15, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Contrary to popular opinion, free agency made draft choices more valuable rather than less.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 15, 2009 9:11 AM |

Samson, An excellent post, except I don't understand this point. You may have forgotten what it was like before free agency. Then, the only way you could get a player -- except through the draft -- was by trading a player or a pick. Now, you can get them on the open market, without giving up a player or a pick. So how does the ability to acquire talent without giving up a player or a pick make the picks more valuable?

I would also point out that it took Cooke a while to learn to build a franchise. He became an owner in 1961 but didn't win a Super Bowl until 1983. Maybe in time....

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 15, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Samson, you make some very good points...I would like to add...

Who really knows what goes on behind closed doors. All we know is what product is on the field. In my personal opinion, I think the reason why the defense has always been ahead of the offense is philosophy. If you notice, the defense is not afraid to play young players and all of its players. They maximize there talent. This may be unpopular, but I think Gibbs embraced a chracter over talent philosophy that we are still paying for. He stuck with Brunell too long, Jansen got old, Kendall was a good move at the time but Buges did not commit to Reinhart to insert him into the offense. Moss, ARE and Thrash are not viable threats to beat anyone. We draft offensive weapons, but they can't stay on the field. Portis is overused and Betts is underused particularly in the passing game.

So where do we go from here? I don't think this team is that far off as far as talent (with the exception of the age of the O-Line). It's philiosophy...Why would you continue to use ARE to return punts? Why not throw to Betts more out of the backfield? The more we continue to adopts Gibbs' philosophy of smashmouth football with a 5'10" 200LB RB, the more mediocrity we will see.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 15, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

t_evaluator

Yes, the FO has painted itself into a corner.

And arrogance is what stops them from the taking poison pill called "roster turnover" and allowing time and a few losing seasons to clear the bad air caused by St. Joe and Spineless Steve Spurrier.

The offense is a collection of mix-matched parts reflecting the leftovers from coaching regimes who made mad talent moves to bring in guys who'll '...make my system work...'.

But again there's the catch: who's gonna force Dan Snyder to see he's bumbled good money on bad-fitting players. The guy will get the same feeling any silly dude gets the morning he wakes up realizing he's spent too much of his hard-earned jack the night before on a scrippa.

And that's a feeling nobody wants to admit to.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 15, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

talentevaluator: "So how does the ability to acquire talent without giving up a player or a pick make the picks more valuable?"

Excellent point. Here's the argument I confess I originally heard expressed by Charlie Casserly: because draft choices are paid differently than free agents, and secondarily because you don't have to compete against anyone to sign them, they're a more affordable way to restock your cabinet than free agents (who Casserly said should be signed selectively, and in small numbers) As an additional point, I would argue that stockpiling choices is important because so many don't work out. There are exceptions to that, of course, but for the most part, even the best personnel folks guess wrong a lot of the time. Plus, when you're in the position where you absolutely need to make a trade, you've got the spare choices to make the deal.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 15, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Samson,

I agree with Charlie's logic, but it doesn't address the point of whether draft picks have become more valuable since free agency began.

Before free agency, you drafted a guy and you had him for life. He couldn't negotiate with anyone but you. Now with free agency you have to pay the market price for his services after three, four, five years. Free agency is just around the corner for all your draft picks. So, it seems to me that comparing the old system (career servitude) to the new (impending free agency) the picks are now less valuable with free agency.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 15, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

To all of you who are posting the way to winning consistently and making the playoffs every year is through the draft, that is the way as many of us have been saying. Beathard built the franchise that way. The wholesale signing of free agents doesn't work, the 'Skins are the poster child for this approach. In many fields, oranizations look for " best practices" and emulate them. Finally, I do not agree that Vinnie is a personal guy. That means he knows talent. He has destroyed two franchises with his"knowledge" of talent. Just look at the 'Skins 2008 draft if you want proof that he doesn't know talent.

Posted by: pjente | February 15, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Beathard built the franchise that way.

Posted by: pjente | February 15, 2009 11:23 AM

Well, maybe that was because free agency didn't exist when Beathard was here? It's not like he had a choice.

I'm not as down on free agency as you are. I have admired the way that New England has hired free agents. They get good talent to fill in and don't pay too much. Redskins have gotten bad talent and have overpaid.

To me, though, the Redskins biggest shortcoming has been in trading away too many draft picks for, what? Beans? All those picks for Jason Campbell. Two picks for Rockie MacIntosh. Not to mention Duckett, Lloyd, Taylor, James. Worked out okay, though, with Cooley and Kendall.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 15, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Pjente,

Too soon to tell if Vinny has "detroyued the 2008 draft"

Posted by: rickyroge | February 15, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Good Points T_E....

Not so much the free agents, but the the combination of overpaid mediocre ones. I think we're cleaning that up a bit though, but what's the one thing in common...most of the sqandered picks came in Joe Gibbs' era. Again...undervaluing of young players.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 15, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Wash, Rinse, Repeat

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Wash, Rinse, Repeat

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2009 12:00 PM
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Apparently, daggar has been doing that since Friday, cHrislArry.

He must have a wicked case of pruneskin by now.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 15, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I think we're cleaning that up a bit though, but what's the one thing in common...most of the sqandered picks came in Joe Gibbs' era.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 15, 2009 11:46 AM

Most, yes, but the Cerrato era's gotten off to a terrible start with the picks traded for James and Taylor. This is not promising.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 15, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

wait when did we get James Taylor...he is way to old!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

cL keeps passing through hoping for any little crumb to spark his creativity.

cL, why don't you stick to the Caps blog? It must be as giddy now as RI was when we started the season 6-2 and were headed for the Super Bowl and debating whether JC or CP would be the MVP.

On the other hand, the Wiz blog must be like this one: who to pick in the draft.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 15, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge

'...Too soon to tell if Vinny has "detroyued the 2008 draft"...'

Posted by: rickyroge | February 15, 2009 11:42 AM


True: if you listen the the FO assertion that it believes in the '08 draft class, that means this season:

Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Fred Davis, Rob Jackson, Alex Buzbee, and Chad Rhinehart should all see playing or have some kind of role that equals playing time.

And when you factor in the the four draft picks picks for '09, that's like, what, almost 8 new faces on the tea when the players are all mixed together--that's some passive aggressive turnover if there ever was.

The better question is, what happens if a high percentage of these players don't live up to where they were drafted?

That's the story.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 15, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

And when you factor in the the four draft picks picks for '09, that's like, what, almost 8 new faces

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 15, 2009 1:26 PM

Don't forget though, Moe, that we don't play draft picks their first year. So the four we add this year will only be seen in camp. They'll make the roster and then be inactive on game days.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 15, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Caps blog rulz, no mirage with caps they are legit!

RI is like a circle jerk without lube

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

RI is like a circle jerk without lube

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2009 1:45 PM |

Don't recall ever having had the pleasure. What's it like, cL?

I still love "unfunny Ground Hog Day" but I can see how might fit too.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 15, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

dude i never travel without motion lotion.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Considering how fond of veterans Gibbs always seemed to be, its odd how much faith he has in an 18yr old driver.

Posted by: will_ga | February 15, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

wait when did we get James Taylor...he is way to old!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

You just can't coach age. Either you have it, or you don't.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 15, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

You just can't coach age. Either you have it, or you don't.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 15, 2009 2:25 PM

I think dcsween was an old fuddy duddy in high school, and I know I was. Someone coached us up.

LMAO, SMACK. And what is SMACK an acronym for, anyway? Soldier Minus Ability, Coordination or Knowledge?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 15, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Judging by the way his bartender still looks at him today, I'd say Sween was pretty robust in high school.

You, I believe.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 15, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

t_evaluator

The 'rookie redshirt' thing is one concept the Skins should just junk.

Under that line of thinking, if the skins had drafted Flacco or Ryan, they'd sit'em claiming they need time to 'season'.

Anyone who's been around kids who ball any kind of ball knows young athletes today have a deep understanding of technique, system, and conditioning--at least any kid who's a serious player.

And given the in-bred wisdom they show up with on day one, only an idiot would give a kid millions of dollars, a 3 year contract, and then tell him to sit so he can learn from the guy he's about to replace. That just can't work in professional sports today.

What the iggles did with DeSean Jackson this past season is a classic example of what happens when people know what they're doing.

The kid seemed to have 3-4 basic formations and plays to be in (all he seemed to run was a deep crossing route every time he was on the field), returned punts, and was put in a position where the team could get immediate growth and benefit out of him as a player.

Of course, the Skins could've taken that route with Davis and Thomas, and really played the young'ns--got some serious game tape on them-- late in the season once the loss to the Bengals confirmed all suspicions about the team.

And we all know what happened with that. And our suspicions about the team not having a clue are confirmed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 15, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

'...RI is like a circle jerk without lube...'


I'm a straight-shooter.

This can be confirmed by anyone standing to the left or right of me.

Moe has been a handy-man since joining this circular blog.

The guy across from me spends too much time looking at the video of NFL cheerleaders they run to see me in action.

One of the guys here is always asking, 'Why a circle? Scott Pioli has his teams do it in a hexagon."

Moe ignores this guy hoping to find some more magic in his johnson.

Then there are the cut-and-pasters who are always interrupting the flow with their listings of players they'd like to, well, you know.

Then there's the guy who wants to trade one of the wrist-wranglering wankers in our circle for any player released by some other blog.

The Geico cavemen redskins fan reminds this guy that when you're taking matters into your own hands, it's best not to reach out lest you lose the rhytmn...oops, I'm losing it.

(INSERT image of young hot scrippa chick remembered from a rap music video)

There it is again.

Gotta stop now...ooooops.

Talk about relief.

Any body got cleaning supplies?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 15, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

mistamoe wrote: "t_evaluator...The 'rookie redshirt' thing is one concept the Skins should just junk."

Think he was just pullin' our toe, Moe.

Ryan and Flack aside, a redshirt year would have helped many an NFL QB. The position isn't getting any easier. And Flacco was lucky to play on a Balto team with a coordinator willing to junk half his offense for a rookie learning curve.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 15, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Now MistaMoe that post had some spunk!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

to Moe

i could not possibly agree more with your comment concerning the use of jackson vis a vis thomas and davis and kelly in the latter half of the year.

it is an absolute abdication of coaching responsibility to fail to find half a dozen plays that these rookies could have focused on and been contributors.. so what if they didnt know all the playbook ? give them a few routes to run and use them.

that excuse was typical of the depths of coaching to which this franchise has sunk.
our opponents knew our plays BEFORE we ran them.. unfortunately, unlike the old time Celtics or Packers, there was lots they could do to stop those plays in their tracks.

i think we had better see a marked difference in the functioning of the offensive unit. perhaps that might be the actual function that Sherman Smith is paid to do ?

this entire coaching staff and front office is on a very short leash this year, as far as i am concerned. we snicker at the Lions
and the Raiders, who are we to do so ?

Posted by: shally | February 15, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

...this entire coaching staff and front office is on a very short leash this year, as far as i am concerned. we snicker at the Lions
and the Raiders, who are we to do so ?

Posted by: shally | February 15, 2009 5:30 PM =======================================
The only thing misery loves more than company is somebody else to laugh at.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 15, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Shally, I hope you're right about the short leash for the front office and the coaches. The 'Skins are going no where as long is Cerrato is in the mix. Also, I was never sold on Zorn, although I have more hope for him than Cerrato. We know how bad of an NFL football guy Vinny is. I am not sure about Zorn as an NFL head coach, but Snider should be willing to give him another shot when the 'Skins finally bring in a true NFL GM.

Posted by: pjente | February 15, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

"short leash"... uh, what?

In my opinion, we have no reason to believe Vinnie's job is at risk to the extent implied by the phrase "short leash." On the contrary, we have every reason to believe that Vinnie is the Owner's boy.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 15, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion, we have no reason to believe Vinnie's job is at risk to the extent implied by the phrase "short leash." On the contrary, we have every reason to believe that Vinnie is the Owner's boy.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 15, 2009 10:39 PM

Nate,

This is something that John Keim published earlier in the off season. Not sure how he would know, or even what pieces he put together to come up with this inference, but he put it out there.

Personally, I don't belive the "owners boy' chararacterization of Vinny. It makes no sense at all. I think Vinny gets a fair shot at doing the job and if he doesn't deliver better than he did last year, then he's gone like Schottenheimer. Snyder is a prideful man and hes not going to let Vinny deny him the success he wants.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

The context in which Keim made the `short leash` comment was in discussing draft strategy. He thought that because Vinny is on a short leash he will trade picks from next year`s draft for picks in this year`s draft -- still more of the `win now` approach to Redskins football.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

I don't think VC gets to wager next years picks, but thats my opinion.
Wagering the future has never worked out for the team, hopefully they've learned that.

For the Wii people out there, got the kids Lego Star Wars, pretty fun, kids played it pretty much 3-4 hours yesterday, so they seemed to enjoy it.

Race sucked, idiots racing 1-2 laps down, crashing and taking some of the field with them. Morons....

Thats all I got....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 16, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm wondering:

When are the Redskins big sal cap cuts coming?

The blog needs food to chew, and re-signing long snappers ain't enough to feed anybody with a real appetite for cynicism and complaint.

So Moe begins assembling his list of possible Redskins sal cap casualities:

M Washington is a definate maybe.

As is J Fabini

If C Griff goes a replacement has to be drafted or a FA signee

Maybe S Springs--if not now, when?

To me, J Thrash deserves a handshake and directions to the front door.

Pete Kendall is saved from the FO having issues with Rhino, something which, is a self-created situation if the kid proves to be a 3rd round bomb.

With the signings of the midget special teams gadget guys, will R Cartwright's job soon be in jeopardy? I mean, how guys do you need to returns punts/kick offs and back up a starting running back who never wants to share the ball?

J Taylor wil be the next player to get the re-negotiated salary/contract re-worked or he too will be seen flying out of town.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 16, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Its 9:12 in the morning I am sitting in my office wishing I had a drink or something

Posted by: alex35332 | February 16, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

When are the Redskins big sal cap cuts coming?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 16, 2009 9:02 AM

No team has done much of this yet. No reason to cut a guy until you absolutely poistootely have to. That will come when the Skins want to sign some free agents and need the cap space. You don`t cut Thrash, or anyone else, until you have someone better on your roster.

Cartwright`s going no where. He`s a KO returner. The runts the `Skins hired are -- at best -- punt returners. Springs won`t get cut until Hall signs or Rogers is traded. The roster`s not going to get changed as much as you`re hoping.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I don't see Rock getting tossed, he makes the vet min, I think, anyway so its not a savings anywhere.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 16, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, and the other thing about Rock is that he`s doing his job well. He`s not spectacular, but there are too many bigger problems on this team (punt returns?) to worry about Rock when he usually puts us in a good position.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

te, agreed, cutting rock, you don't gain all that much. I am however curious as to when the cuts are coming. I'm thinking they'll be closer to the start of Free Agency, perhaps.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 16, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Greg, Free agency starts end of the month so I think then you will see moves. If u cut guys now then there are some rules about wavers if I remember correctly.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 16, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

You know, I`m flat-out tired of the pizzing on Rock Cartwright. Look up his numbers. He averaged 25.6 yards per return. How does that compare to the great Darren Sproles who everyone up here loves? Sproles averaged 26.0.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Cartwright was number 11 in the league among returners who returned 20 or more kickoffs. It would be a step down if he`s not on our roster next year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Rock is hardly the problem with this team, there are far greater issus this team needs to worry about.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 16, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Also Rock is probably the toughest guy on the team.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 16, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

t_evaluator

'...The roster`s not going to get changed as much as you`re hoping...'

Actually, I don't think or want the roster to change all that much.

I prefer the team shed bad contracts and older players by using two new inventions that I've heard a lot about recently: time and patience.

The changes I'd like to see are schemetic:

The offense should be less pure WCO, more shot gun, more 4-5 wide receiver sets, speeded tempo, more bunch formations, crossing routes, plays designed to get a guy the ball in specific spots rather than Campbell checking all of his progressions up until pressure causes a bad throw or a sack happens.

A running back by committee approach beats Portis v. the World any day. I wonder if the two scatbacks will be deployed in the screen/draw play game. I also wonder if one of them has the hands to line up in a wing or slot set and become apart of the passing game.

The defense could employ way more deception. All of the NFL final 4 teams use hybrid 3-4, 4-3 looks o confuse blocking schemes and, thus, get more sacks and hurries than the Skins D.

Again: I don't want a lot of new players. I just want some of the ones we have get put in the position where they can make plays and change the game.

I mean if you're gonna pay them the money, why not put them to work?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 16, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Rock will have competition -- as all 3rd RBs should...

Posted by: siris | February 16, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Moe -- All your rookies player examples HAD to start due to injuries and played well.

I'm sure there are examples of rookies who were forced to start and played poorly too...

For every Roethlisberger -- there is a David Carr, Vince Young, Alex Smith, or Matt Leinart who take more time to adjust to the NFL or are busts.

Posted by: siris | February 16, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

This thing on?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 16, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

While I love Rock, I saw little to no tackles from him this year, I saw blocked punts when he was the protector, I saw 11th in the league in returns, and no punt returning. I'm sorry, he's a great guy great story, but there are tons of people who can do what he does for this team, personally I would prefer a guy who could return both kicks and punts, and could possible be a difference from Betts and CP. Betts catches better than CP, CP runs better than Betts, and neither is particularly fast. Rock brings nothing to the table on offense, he's not big, he's not fast, and he doesn't catch better than Betts. Finding a guy to handle all the return duties and is fast with good hands but won't be expected to get carries but could be in on 3rd and longs, would be an upgrade on Rock.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Question for the crowd, or the maybe other 2 people here. If we sign a youngish guard, a youngish tackle, and a DE like Canty, much as I don't want to devote more resources to the receiver position, I would in that scenario be happy with trading for Boldin. Send them the 1 this year and a 2 or a 3 next year. You could still draft 2 olineman & a LB, our defense with the signing of a guy like Canty or another legit end doesn't need anything else (assuming you've signed Hall, Evans, Monte, and Gholston, kept Rogers, and have cut Springs, Washington, Griffen, and Taylor), and oline with the bolstering of two FA and 2 draft picks should be as good as it is going to get anyway, and Boldin could make a huge difference for JC which is the key to our future, at some point our offense has to be more than run CP and hope Cooley or Moss is open.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN's hot button series for those who care:

Washington Redskins

Primary concern: Last year, Dan Snyder went out and hired Jim Zorn because he thought he had a shot at getting quarterback Jason Campbell to the next level.

Campbell was superb in the first half of the season, but he fell back into some of his old habits down the stretch. His growth will be a key to the team's success and Zorn's future as a head coach.

Solution: The Redskins thought they were bringing in several weapons for Campbell when they took a tight end and two wide receivers in the second round of the 2008 draft. No one has emerged from that group, so Campbell's forced to rely on Pro Bowl tight end Chris Cooley and the same mighty mite receivers. The Redskins have to reload along the offensive line because they've gotten old there. If Campbell doesn't have enough time in the pocket, he'll never be successful.

Secondary concern: This team desperately needs to improve its pass rush. Greg Blache's group didn't play poorly, but defensive end Jason Taylor was a huge disappointment. He never felt comfortable in the defense and he was banged up for most of the year. And the solution isn't 36-year-old Phillip Daniels, although he could help the team.

Solution: The Redskins need to identify a talented young pass-rusher in the draft such as Brian Orakpo of Texas and latch onto him. If the Redskins don't improve both their offensive and defensive lines, they won't be a factor in the NFC East next season. Clinton Portis was brilliant in the first half of the season, but he didn't have anywhere to go down the stretch. The Redskins have to invest in the offensive and defensive lines. The club doesn't have many picks, so they need to be smart on draft day.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"I would in that scenario be happy with trading for Boldin. Send them the 1 this year and a 2 or a 3 next year"

Wow....so if this happens, you're ok with spending a First, and THREE SECOND ROUND PICKS on the same position, considering what was spend on WR last year.

Seriously??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 16, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's draft by weight - for the 2009 draft, the Redskins shall draft no player weighing less then 275 lbs - regardless of postion

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 16, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

While I love Rock, ... I would prefer a guy who could return both kicks and punts,

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 12:23 PM

Angry Old Man Jack,

Who do you have in mind? These are separate skills. It's not quite like wanting a running back who can also play free safety, but if you look at the ten men who had a better KO return average than Rock, only three of them (Clifton Smith, Chris Carr, and Darren Sproles) returned more than 15 punts last year. And of those three, only Clifton Smith ranked near the top in average yards per punt return.

So, yeah, spin those fantasy dreams about upgrading from Rock to some non-existent do-it-all player, but we've got more serious issues on the team to worry about. He's 11th in the league at what he does best, costs little, and that's good enough.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Let's draft by weight - for the 2009 draft, the Redskins shall draft no player weighing less then 275 lbs - regardless of postion

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 16, 2009 1:36 PM

Good strategy! Stack the board by an objective factor like weight. Then draft the heaviest guy left with each pick. "We had to take him. He was the highest rated player on our board."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow....so if this happens, you're ok with spending a First, and THREE SECOND ROUND PICKS on the same position,

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 16, 2009 1:30 PM

Sounds crazy, doesn't it? But I know a team that spent two FIRST round picks on safeties. Not just first round, but top ten picks. Plus, big time bucks on another FA safety who they cut.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Chris Carr, Clifton Smith, Allen Rossum, Eddie Royal, Sproles, Leon Washington, Josh Cribbs, Mark Jones (Car), Johnie Lee Higgins, Dexter Jackson, Devon Bess (till he became a starter on offense), Devin Hester, Jacoby Jones, Will Blackman, Yamon Figures, Steve Breaston, Roscoe Parrish, Mewelde Moore, and Kevin Faulk all return both punts and kicks with more than 20 in each category last year. So obvioulsy its not a totally mutually exclusive skill set. It's kind of sad you even thought that it was.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

And sproles, rossum, and royal had better return averages than Rock and return punts also.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Chris Carr, Clifton Smith, Allen Rossum, Eddie Royal, Sproles, Leon Washington, Josh Cribbs, Mark Jones (Car), Johnie Lee Higgins, Dexter Jackson, Devon Bess (till he became a starter on offense), Devin Hester, Jacoby Jones, Will Blackman, Yamon Figures, Steve Breaston, Roscoe Parrish, Mewelde Moore, and Kevin Faulk all return both punts and kicks with more than 20 in each category last year. So obvioulsy its not a totally mutually exclusive skill set. So obvioulsy its not a totally mutually exclusive skill set. It's kind of sad you even thought that it was.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 2:10 PM |

And of them, Angry Old Man Jack, only Carr, Smith, and Sproles were better at KO returns. Kind of sad that I have to keep explaining that to you, isn't it? Remember, the idea is to get someone who will be an upgrade, not a downgrade.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

te, the 2 picks spend on safeties, if one of them hadn't been murdered, he would be considered one of the better athletes in the league, and was just starting to come into his own. Its safe to say that the potential of the tandem of landry/taylor was unlimited.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 16, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Well and, see, if you did it by weight - then it wouldn't matter WHAT postion the guy played in college - "Sorry, son, you're what - 280 - 285? No more fullback for you; line up right next to the center there"

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 16, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

you forgot about Rossum and Royal, but that's fine, if you think Rock 25.6 is more valuable than say a Leon Washington, Mewelde Moore, or Kevin Faulk or that type of player that can return both types of kicks and contribute on offense but keep pounding the drum that Rock is sooooooo valuable and Betts or Thrash or a host of people couldn't do what he does.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

zj, ko returns are probably 25th on a list of 26 things that ail this team.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 16, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

And we were not one of the 12 teams that had a kick return for a TD, our longest return of 87 yards was 15th in the league, 39 20+ yard returns was 18th in the league, our 4 40+ was 12th in the league. The only category where Rock was elite was not a single fumble. Other than that he wasn't top 10 in anything, can't play or help out anywhere else but special teams, was the personal protector on 2 blocks, and had 9 tackles on teams with full time duty on both coverage units for a 16 game season. Forgive if I feel like we can upgrade there.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

zj, upgrade:

OL
DL
LB
P
K

First, then have at KO returns....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 16, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

zj, ko returns are probably 25th on a list of 26 things that ail this team.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 16, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Bean, I don't think kick returns ail this team at all, my point was that we need to get better at kick returns. But Randel El is awful at punt returns, plus is a starting receiver, but if we can add a guy who could be a fast 3rd and long scatback option that can return both kicks and punts and that means Rock has to go, my point was I'm very OK with that and don't think Rock does anything so special that we would be lost without him. He's the Leigh Torrence of returns, he's decent, but there are plenty of people who could easily do what he does on the roster and there are perhaps not people on the roster than can do a little more that just being a slightly above average kick returner and nothing else.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Question for the crowd, or the maybe other 2 people here. If we sign a youngish guard, a youngish tackle,
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Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 1:09 PM =============================================
Which solar system contains the planet Youngish, again?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 16, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

sorry that wasn't that we need to get better

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

you forgot about Rossum and Royal,

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 2:40 PM |

Angry Old Man Jack,

I didnt forget about them. I dismissed them. If you read my post I limited it to guys with more than 15 punt returns -- i.e., one per game. Guys who dont even return one punt per game are not punt returners. They`re Safe Catch artists and we already have that skill covered on the Redskins.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

My entire point was that I'm hoping they add speed to our running back position which isn't there now. If that means Rock has to go so be it. But we need a dimension there that we don't have right now, maybe these two signings will provide one, maybe we need to sign somebody else, maybe we need to draft a speed back, but we need more than Betts provides behind CP.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

It's that time of year folks!

Time to cut bloggers we don't want around next year!

Talent_evaluator? GONE
RedDMV? GONE


Anyone else got some opinions on this?


PS - for the love of god Sherriff Lott is an idiot. Someone make him stop!

I'm The Truth, baby!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 16, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Time to cut bloggers we don't want around next year!

Talent_evaluator? GONE
RedDMV? GONE

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 16, 2009 3:11 PM

Why, you got to get under the salary cap? Look, RI has guaranteed my contract for the next six years. You can`t afford to cut me -- cap hit is way too big.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

You're a liabity on "special" teams, talent_evaluator. You're just too "special" and you suck. Your opinions are dumb and your arguments are weak.

You're a nothing, a nobody. Have fun on the Dallas Insider blog next season, loser.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the feedback, Truth! I`m two years into an exclusive eight year contract with the Post. Dallas Insider has called with a few big-money offers, but my Post contract has a non-compete clause, so I just have to play it out.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

You're a nothing, a nobody. Have fun on the Dallas Insider blog next season, loser.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 16, 2009 3:48 PM |

Well that was a lot of hate for a Monday. Stressed over the braves blowing a wad on Ken Griffey when they should have spent it on Smoltz? Or are you finally convinced that the bobcats are who we thought they were? Or perhaps you realized that a bulldog is one inbred ugly f***ing dog??

Posted by: will_ga | February 16, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Uga is an awesome dog and English Bulldogs are FINE CANINES my friend. Shows what you know.

As for the BeastCats, they are on the road to a championship next year and most certainly are NOT who we though they were!

I have no retort about Griffey, I haven't heard anything about that.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 16, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Happened to read some draft pubs, probably because the alternative was watching the NBA ("Dancing with the All-Stars), but so far I haven't seen anything to contradict the way it looked at the end of the NFL season. And that is, the Skins need two things more than anything else:

1) somebody to improve the pass rush, and
2) somebody to jump up and catch the ball when covered in the end zone.

The other needs -- OL, interior DL, DB, KR, what have you --are not as pressing. They're important, but if the Skins want to improve their record, they've got to improve in those two areas. Those are the 'low-hanging fruit'.

Maybe #2 can come from last year's rookie class. They've got the ability. But the pass rush -- that's going to have to come from the draft, or the free agent market.

Think I'm nuts?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 16, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say Uga wasn't a good dog. Let's just say he's no Lassie.

I have no problem with the braves not spending cash on smoltz because they want to go young but Griffey is 39 & so wrong for them. There is still a chance he will go to Seattle instead so maybe we will have some cash left for young talent.

Posted by: will_ga | February 16, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Or just dumb.


how bout our awful OL?


also, Fred Taylor was released from JAX. He would've been worth a look had we not already signed some scrubs to 4th string RB.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 16, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

zj, upgrade:

OL
DL
LB
P
K

First, then have at KO returns....


Posted by: BeantownGreg****

The only positon you forgot IMO, QB.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | February 16, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Any thoughts on letting Todd Collins go? Would that help or hurt the capspace?

I see the Ravens let Chris McCallister go. We could sign him and see who can drink more geritol, him or Springs.

Posted by: will_ga | February 16, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was pretty dumb to resign Collins in the first place if you weren't going to give him a shot at starting and if you were going to completely change the system. IF Saunders was still here and IF they had said open competition then yeah based on the way he played resign him, but since Saunders is gone and since they said its JC's job no matter what why resign a guy who might have 2 years left max when there were plenty of younger guys available that could hold a clipboard/spot start for you that will be around a lot longer than TC and who know a west coast system better too? Now we got a guy as a fairly high priced backup who by all accounts struggled in the transition to a new system who also had been labeled for a long time just a system guy. Another example of our genius front office.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Truth, I usually have little or no opinion about anything that most people say up here, because, basically ... they are opinions.

But - I have to ask you - what on earth would Fred Taylor give us as a running back that we don't have already with Portis?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 16, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

what on earth would Fred Taylor give us as a running back that we don't have already with Portis?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 16, 2009 5:25 PM

Age? Taylor`s 33. Portis is only 28. Remember what SMACK wrote `You can`t coach age.` You`ve either got it or you don`t.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

zjfr

'...I thought it was pretty dumb to resign Collins in the first place....'


And it's a stupid act being compounded by his remaining on the roster.

The Skins carried three q-backs all season long and only one of them layed, despite ineffectiveness and inaccuracy.

Don't tell me about the o-line: quicker decisions and not holding on to the ball for too long would've saved th Skins more than a sack or two all season.

If the FO won't commit to signing Campbell to an extension, it means they're chosing to rely on discovering the mystery of whatever the outcome his talent might be.

And if they discover what Moe already believes--that Jay Campbell is an inaccurate passer and not playoff material--that means a possible drafting/signing of someone who'll be dubbed the next 'savior' by the Wizards of Redskins Park.

A week ago, Moe blogged that he read in the Redskins Team suck up blog that Byron Leftwich joked that he wanted to come to DC as he felt he could play here and do well.

Folks howled. Folks rattled off Leftwich's issues, forgetting he lit up the Redskins D backing up Big Ben one night this past all. And if Campbell has another 'so-so' season, even after the o-line has had some work, Leftwich's joke might be too serious for all of us to ignore.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 16, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Any thoughts on letting Todd Collins go? Would that help or hurt the capspace?

No effect. We would save his salary, but no cap hit.

I thought it was a good move to sign him. With hindsight, we didn't need him. But in this league you have to have a solid backup to compete. I think the FO did what they had to do there.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 16, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

And it's a stupid act being compounded by his remaining on the roster.

The Skins carried three q-backs all season long and only one of them layed, despite ineffectiveness and inaccuracy.

Almost every team has 3 QB's on their 53 man roster. A QB is more vulnerable than any other position, other than punter. I think it's smart to have a known performer as backup QB. Colt wasn't ready to step in last year, probably not next year either. But if he had been our only backup, and JC was hurt, we would not be competitive for the rest of the season.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 16, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

No effect. We would save his salary, but no cap hit.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 16, 2009 5:54 PM

I dont think this is right. According to Jasno`s story, Collins signed a three year, $9 million contract.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/02/the_todd_collins_contract.html

In addition to a $3 million signing bonus, this year`s salary of $900,000 is also guaranteed. So, Collins isnt going anywhere. If we cut him the cap hit would be his 2009 salary plus acceleration of the signing bonus.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I would love to see Collins cut and Garcia signed to a reasonable deal. The Bucs have publicly state they aren't going to re-sign him, he is a west coast system guy, has played in the NFC East, and on teams with so-so olines, he could come in as the backup and be nothing but a positive for JC and Colt learning how to really play in the system and if JC keeps having his 25 completions for 200 yards and less than a TD a game average then he could take over for a year or two until we draft another QB. IMHO JC may not be the problem on the team, but he certainly doesn't make anybody better around him which is the sign of a good QB, and Garcia has done that everywhere he's gone.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Sorry. The first two lines in my 6:00 blog were from MistaMoe

Posted by: frediefritz | February 16, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

hmmm...Jerry Garcia as quarterback? - I guess you can't coach age - or life, for that matter.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 16, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see Collins cut and Garcia signed to a reasonable deal.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 6:01 PM |

Angry old man Jack,

You know I could agree with you if you`d said that you`d rather have Garcia than Collins. But cutting Collins has a significant cap hit, plus you have to sign Garcia which will cost around $3 million. You get a 39-year-old backup who may never throw a ball in a game at a cap cost of around $6 million. Given this team`s needs that makes no sense at all.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

According to Jasno`s story, Collins signed a three year, $9 million contract.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/02/the_todd_collins_contract.html

In addition to a $3 million signing bonus, this year`s salary of $900,000 is also guaranteed. So, Collins isnt going anywhere. If we cut him the cap hit would be his 2009 salary plus acceleration of the signing bonus.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse
You are right, T_E. According to that article, TC would be get a salary of $2 mill and a cap hit of 500k. If we cut him, he would still be a cap hit of $2.5 mill, which is the remaining bonus that he got last year. But we would also need a backup QB if we cut him. So it would use up $4-6 mill to cut him.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 16, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

te, how much do think it will cost to extend JC? Who has proven over 3 years now he's nothing but mediocre. I don't know what the hit would be for Collins, but it'd be worth it, he's absolute dead weight at this point, and if you can get a guy like Garcia, that'd be a solid move to help/take over for JC when he continues to march towards mediocrity by never doing anything but hitting the wide open receiver. I like him, he's a nice guy, says all the right things but when was the last time you were impressed by anything he did with his arm? Most of his biggest plays this season came with his feet.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

te, how much do think it will cost to extend JC? Who has proven over 3 years now he's nothing but mediocre.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 16, 2009 6:17 PM

We don`t have to extend him. He`s signed for two more years and his salary for next year is $900,000 and it`s guaranteed. We pay him whether he plays for us or not. His salary accelerates significantly in 2010, and I think that's when they plan to cut him. But this year he's essentially on the roster for free (since his salary is guaranteed we pay him anyway) and if we cut him we have a $3.5 cap hit -- that's money we can't use to hire some of the every-down players we need.

"Nothing but mediocre"? When JC went down he got us into the playoffs. He was nothing short of fantastic. He had a QB rating of 106.4. You think that's "mediocre?" I can't see it. You couldn't ask more more than that in a backup QB.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

++++Let's draft by weight - for the 2009 draft, the Redskins shall draft no player weighing less then 275 lbs - regardless of postion

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 16, 2009 1:36 PM

Good strategy! Stack the board by an objective factor like weight. Then draft the heaviest guy left with each pick. "We had to take him. He was the highest rated player on our board."

Posted by: talent_evaluator |+++


You're over-thinking, T_E. That's an accusation you may not be familair with, (sorry, couldn't resist). Actually, I believe JohnD fthe real upside with the 275 and over setting is Vinny can't draft any more freaking wide receivers.

Posted by: TheCork | February 16, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Corky, ya gotta believe!

I wouldn't underestimate Vinny's ability to pull off some magic like unearthing a 300-pound WR from some D-III school we've never heard of -- some fat slob who'd make Jared Lorenzen look svelte -- and then come out on his radio show with a straight face talking about how this is the missing piece and Jason La Canfora is an idiot for suggesting otherwise. Or some such as.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 16, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

mmm...Jerry Garcia as quarterback? - I guess you can't coach age - or life, for that matter.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 16, 2009 6:10 PM
=============================================
Wherever He Goes, The People All Complain!.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 16, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

You're over-thinking, T_E. That's an accusation you may not be familair with

Posted by: TheCork | February 16, 2009 6:31 PM

You know me too well, Mr. Crock. Over-eating is what I usually hear.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Kickers are a dime a dozen. There are more serious issues to deal with. On a lighter note, check out:

www.boycott09.net

This is some funny crapola

Posted by: Cliff_DePoncey | February 16, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

And the 2009 father of the year award goes to:

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. (AP) - The Phoenix Suns have suspended Jason Richardson for one game without pay as the result of his arrest on allegations he was driving 55 mph above the limit with his unrestrained 3-year-old son in the car.

In a brief statement late Monday afternoon, the Suns said Richardson would miss Tuesday night's home game against the Los Angeles Clippers "for conduct detrimental to the team."

A Scottsdale police officer first saw Richardson driving 67 mph in a 40 mph zone Sunday night and followed him, police said Monday. That's when the officer clocked him at 90 mph in a 35 mph zone and pulled him over.

Police said Richardson admitted to speeding and identified himself as a Suns player. The officer saw Richardson's son in the back seat of the car and that he was not in a child seat.

Richardson said he had taken his son to dinner and was on his way home.

He was arrested and charged with reckless driving, excessive speeding and failure to use a child seat. He was released from jail after a few hours.

Police said Richardson's fiancee responded to the scene of the stop and took custody of the boy.

Richardson spoke briefly to reporters after the Suns practiced on Monday.

"I just want to apologize to everybody - my teammates, my family, especially my fiancee," he said. "It's a tough time for me. I've been questioned as a basketball player, questioned as a person, but my fatherhood in question is tough, because I try to be the best father I can be, and try to keep my kids out of harm's way."

The Suns announced the suspension about two hours later.

It was Richardson's second run-in with the law since the Dec. 12 trade that brought him to Phoenix from Charlotte in exchange for Raja Bell, Boris Diaw and Sean Singletary.

Richardson was cited Dec. 21 on suspicion of driving under the influence of alcohol. He was stopped by a Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community police officer and accused of having a blood alcohol level above 0.08 percent and of failure to drive in one lane.

At the time, Richardson called the incident "one stupid mistake I made," and he said he hoped it wouldn't change the public's perception of him.

Richardson is averaging 15.6 points, third-highest on the team behind Amare Stoudemire and Shaquille O'Neal, in 28 games since joining the Suns.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 16, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Chris McAllister than DeAngelo Hall. Maybe it's just me, but I think Hall will be an overpaid piece of burnt toast.

Basically, I'd take anyone over Hall including Leigh effing Torrance.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 16, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Signing McAllister would be nice man...You could probably get him for pretty cheap because he is older...and this is what could be interesting; If Springs takes a paycut then you can trade rogers for your second round pick. Then maybe trade your newly acquired 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick to move into the first round. With your #13 pick you take Orakpo the DE from Texas and with your new late first rounder you take Oher the OT from Ole Miss because it looks like his stock is falling. You get two legitimate starters right away at your two biggest need positions and your secondary stays strong with Hall, Springs, McAlister, Smoot and you hope Springs stays healthy for at least 11 or 12 games.

Posted by: jeffco01 | February 16, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't rule anything out, jeffco, but that seems awfully complicated... I remain mystified that people are spinning scenarios which involve trading Carlos Rogers, let alone anything else which would mess up the cornerbacks which were the one consistently, unmistakably strong unit on the team this past season.

I know I'm in the minority up here, but I want to go into the '09 season with Hall, Rogers, a discounted Springs, and Smoot as our top four corners. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, is what I'm thinking.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 17, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Stories on the NFL network tonight about how more and more teams are shifting from the 4-3 to the 3-4.

Among Mayock's comments, the plethora of hybrids (outside LBS/DEs) Available this year who fit that system best. Of course, without a hoss in the middle, it wont' work.

I keep hearing Orakpo's name as one of the hybrids, better suited as a 3-4 outside LB than a hand in the dirt full time guy.

It's a bad year to be looking for a traditional DE, since most of the good ones are undersized for an NFC East 4-3 setup.

So I guess that means Vinny will trade down and draft three of them in the second round. Oh well.

Seems like as good a year as any to focus on the OL.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2009 1:11 AM | Report abuse

denver released dwayne robertson anybody else feel he might be a low cost option for the skins? not that hes done anything but i beleive he was drafted in 2003 so hes young.

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 17, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Robertson is actually kind of connected to the Redskins. When the Skins signed Coles, and sent their first round pick to the Jets, the Jets packaged that pick, along with their other first rounder to move up to get Robertson.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Dewayne Robertson? He was the fourth overall pick in the draft, by the Jets. They traded him to Denver for a conditional pick and Denver signed him to a five-year $24 million contract, but have now cut him after just one year.

Man, theres something fishy there. High pick that two teams have piad big and then given up on?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

te, knee issues have always surrounded this guy, as well as laziness. All the talent in the world, just can't seem to get right, and can't seem to get motivated.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

thcork: "Stories on the NFL network tonight about how more and more teams are shifting from the 4-3 to the 3-4...keep hearing Orakpo's name as one of the hybrids, better suited as a 3-4 outside LB than a hand in the dirt full time guy...It's a bad year to be looking for a traditional DE, since most of the good ones are undersized for an NFC East 4-3 setup."

I was under the impression that the difference between the two schemes was fading somewhat. Meaning that if you looked at film of a game, you'd see the 4-3 DE having to drop back in coverage a whole lot, and the 3-4 LB finishing up on the line much of the time.

In other words, whatever you started out with, it wound up looking pretty much the same over the course of the game.

Not true?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 17, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

don't want him

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

...It's a bad year to be looking for a traditional DE, since most of the good ones are undersized for an NFC East 4-3 setup."

Corky here are the weights from the post for the Giants DE, and the Eagles DE:

NY Giants
Matthias Kiwi - 265
Justin Tuck - 274
Osi Umen - 261
Strahan, now retired, however played in the 250-270 range

Philly
Victor Abirimiri - 267
Chris Clemons - 240
Darren Howard - 260
Juqua Parker - 250

I'd say that if Orakpo comes in at 265, he's right in the range to be a successful NFC East defensive end, wouldn't you?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

knee issues have always surrounded this guy, as well as laziness. All the talent in the world, just can't seem to get right, and can't seem to get motivated.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 8:39 AM

Dewayne Robertson sounds like a comination of the worst of Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas. No thanks.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Agreed on the DE they do not have to be 290-300 to be good in the NFC east. 260-270 is fine.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Of the guys released by Denver, LB Jamie Winborn might be a better fit for the Redskins. Denver Post says: `Winborn's release is the most surprising. He started 11 games and led the team with 99 tackles last season. But he has a poor history with new defensive coordinator Mike Nolan, who traded him from the San Francisco 49ers in the middle of the 2005 season. After the trade, Nolan had said Winborn was a better fit for a 4-3 scheme, while Winborn said his former coach was too rigid.`

Any player who doesn`t get along with Mike Nolan is alright in my books.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

TE,

Mine to.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

'...I was under the impression that the difference between the two schemes was fading somewhat..'

The 4-3, 3-4 hybrid look is better than a pure look in one scheme for a lot of reasons:

More hybrid type olb-de kids are coming out of college

The bigger de's are really converted high school tight ends-- athletic kids who can run and cover

The hybrid look creates confusion

Teams shift from one look to the other once the quarterback's cadence pattern has been figured out, meaning teams wait until the audible has been called or the protection set before shifting from one front to the next

The 4-3, 3-4 hybrid look allows teams with great safeties all kinds of blitz combinations and coverage possibilities--and remember, the NFL is in an era dominated by great safeties.

Look at the NFL final 4: all teams that play some kind of hybrid look got the turnovers, pressure, and sacks needed to move to the championship game. Not one pure 4-3 team played after the Panthers got upset.

Moe has been on the hybrid 4-3, 3-4 look for months. Various bloggers ridiculed the idea claiming, "We ain't got the personnel, so shut up about it."

The Redskins do have the personnel (watch a replay of the second iggles' game)to be creative with the defensive scheme.

The question is all about Blache having the smarts to put aside the base design of the system he inherited from Grilliams and put guys into position to make plays.

If you remember, that was Lavar's complaint about Grilliams' system: it didn't let guys make plays.

Well both Lavar and Grilliams are gone: so let's put guys into position to be playmakers and give up the notion that the scheme alone will get sack, create confusion, get pressure and win games.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"After the trade, Nolan had said Winborn was a better fit for a 4-3 scheme, while Winborn said his former coach was too rigid.`

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

An LB that complains about his coach being too rigid does not sound like a good fit here. That's what got Lavar to fall out of favor. Sounds like Winborn may be more of the freelancing type.

Posted by: psps23 | February 17, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I am sure that if the skins keep Taylor, and they are keeping Carter, that we will see them do a lot more of the drop back shadow stuff in games. To me they need to be doing it every game, not just against Westbrook. The Skins may be a bit behind in having a diverse front 7 but I would argue that they may be the most advanced team in the NFL in their diverse looks given from the coverage. You don't see many teams in the league who run the sets of 3-3-5. 4-2, and Cobra packages.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Ethan Albright has gotten more publicity on RI this week than he has in his entire career.

What next? A Red Snaopper fan club? A Genius Grant? A cabinet appointment. The future is unlimited.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

The Skins run clever coverages.....wow!

The other teams get short fields for their offenses because they get sacks, fumbles from strips, 3 and outs because they confuse the quarterback or o-lineman and shut down drives, they get pressures that result in INTs....

Coverages v. turnovers? Moe takes turnovers eveyrday.
Do you want a clever way to help your offense: get more than the occasional turnover or drive stopped behind a sack.

Nothing helps like a short field, especially when you don't have a good punt returner--and the Skins don't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

What next? A Red Snaopper fan club? A Genius Grant? A cabinet appointment. The future is unlimited.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2009 10:28 AM

Cabinet? Has he been paying his taxes or not?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I too have been banging the 3-4 drum and told its impossible....which I still think is hogwash. Blache was a D1 running backs coach at Notre Dame when they were still good, I think if he wanted to he could coach pretty much anything that involves a football.

I think the issue is more stubbornness that it is ability. Its kind of the same reason they play injured players all the time then when they are ineffective then after the game they make excuses saying the guy wasn't 100% and that he really gutted it out with what he could do. Which I freaking hate hearing that excuse....then why not let someone healthy take a shot at being effective!!!!!

This just comes down to does Blache want to try and change up his scheme and get out of the base simple stuff and try and scheme for some pressure. And unfortunately, I don't think he will. When GG got here we did that with a lot of safety and corner and linebacker blitzes and ends dropping and our defense got pressure and everyone talked about how tough the system was and you had to know exactly where you were supposed to be and such. Which is why the late great ST sat for half his rookie year. Then Clark left and Arch delux came and we got burned all over the place and Blache saw all that and he doesn't want to do it. I still think we could/should because short of signing Peppers as currently constituted, this defense under this scheme is incapable of pressure because nobody can win one-on-one matchups and get to the QB much less a double team or a chipping back. So lets all just resign ourselves to a decent defense that will keep us in every game that never forces turnovers or pressure and can rarely hold a lead or get off the field when it needs to, and focus on fixing an offense that barely scores 14 points a game.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I am sure that the skins could run a "hybrid" that is based in a 4-3 next year but to do one thats base is the 3-4 it takes longer because it requires more personnel.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Of the guys released by Denver, LB Jamie Winborn might be a better fit for the Redskins. Denver Post says: `Winborn's release is the most surprising. He started 11 games and led the team with 99 tackles last season. But he has a poor history with new defensive coordinator Mike Nolan, who traded him from the San Francisco 49ers in the middle of the 2005 season. After the trade, Nolan had said Winborn was a better fit for a 4-3 scheme, while Winborn said his former coach was too rigid.`

Any player who doesn`t get along with Mike Nolan is alright in my books.


Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I was going to post this as well. Winborn sounds like he might be a solid if unspectacular LB. While leading the Broncos godawful D in tackles may not mean a whole lot he could provide some much needed depth if at the right price. No way on Robertson. The Broncos got him for a conditional draft choice only if he played in 65% of the defensive snaps. He wasn't even close.

Posted by: skinswest | February 17, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

wow...not even sure that deserves a response....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

NO ONE on the Broncos board is sorry that Robertson is gone.

MY KINGDOM FOR SOME RELEVANT SKINS NEWS!!!!

COME ON F.O. LETS CUT SOME FAT TODAY!!!!!!

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 17, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

+++Corky here are the weights from the post for the Giants DE…

NY Giants 
Matthias Kiwi - 265
Justin Tuck - 274
Osi Umen - 261
Strahan, now retired, however played in the 250-270 range—BEANTOWN++++

A few minor quibbles. Strahan weighed more than 250 at birth and played most of his career in the 270 plus range, He was also freakishly strong and dropped a few pounds his last year to compensate for loss of quicks.

I should also point out that Too Tall Jones was 6’9” but you don’t see a LOT of 6’9” DEs. Depite fletcher there are few great 5’10” MLBs. And chasing lightweight DEs in hopes of finding the next Osi or Tuck is folly---as the skins have shown with failed aacquisitions like Jason Taylor and Andre Carter--CORK

++++I'd say that if Orakpo comes in at 265, he's right in the range to be a successful NFC East defensive end, wouldn't you?+++

I don’t know. But at his current current 6’3” 250, the “experts” who do study such things are by and large seeing him as an outside LB in a 3-4 scheme. I might see him as a Carter type, but the skins are stuck with Carter, a 252 pound DE already. Let’s see what Orakpo weighs in at the combine.

If the defensive line was the only critical area of need, I’d say it’s worth a flyer. But with so many holes, I strongly believe this team needs to get MORE picks to even come close to matching this year’s disappointing season. And the Oline is near collapse, in a year where it looks like there are some real good prospects out there.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Couldn't agree more, if bring in another undersized tweener at end I'm gonna break my TV. It makes no sense to draft a guy that has the same physical makeup and experience as as at least 3 guys already on the roster and 4 if they keep JT. In a different system great maybe, but in our 4-3 stop the run system the last thing we need is another light tweener at end.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Let us move to a 3-4.

Our 4 LBS could be - Carter, Fletcher, McIntosh & Jason Taylor.

Doesn't that sound like a championship waiting to happen?

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 17, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

no...actually...it doesn't.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Winborn sounds like he might be a solid if unspectacular LB.

Posted by: skinswest | February 17, 2009 10:46 AM

Turns out that Winborn has a connection to the Redskins. He lost his starting job and became disgruntled so SF traded him to Jacksonville for a seventh round pick. Who did he lose his job to? Andre Carter.

Winborn`s been around -- San Francisco, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, then Denver. He put up his best numbers in Denver.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

What would be better for opening day 2009:

Starting D of:

Orakpo
Jovan Haye
Golston/Monty
Carter

Rocky
Fletch
Suggs

Landry
Horton
Rogers
Hall

OR

Starting O of:

Samuels
Duke Robinson
Eric Wood
Randy Thomas
Vernon Carey

Moss
Devrey Henderson
Thomas
Kelly

Portis
Cooley

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 17, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

+++ What would be better for opening day 2009:+++

--Rypien11

Does it have to be either/or? Sigh.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Samuels
Duke Robinson
Eric Wood
Randy Thomas
Vernon Carey

Moss
Devrey Henderson
Thomas
Kelly

Portis
Cooley

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 17, 2009 11:35 AM

Definitely think the O would work better with a QB. But this is a look that would confuse a defense for a few plays.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I'd take that O, before the defense. Nothing wrong with the defense as it is. Putting more points on the board, being on the field longer from an offensive standpoint will only help the defense.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Cork - I would like some combination of those two, but it definitely can't be both... I guess my question is what would look better.... a big focus on O or D?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 17, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Greg - other than our old unit getting a year older, and likely losing the depth of Taylor, Springs, and Marcus...... and Daniels at 35 coming off major surgery...

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 17, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I would expect cuts to be coming soon, FA's starts in a couple of weeks, they need to get rid of players so they can have money to go after some players.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

'...Let us move to a 3-4. Our 4 LBS could be - Carter, Fletcher, McIntosh & Jason Taylor...'

Why not let our linebackers be: Chris Wilson, Bart Scott, London Fletcher, and Rocky McIntosh?

BTW: The idea is to create confusion for the offense you're attacking.

If the confusion based strategy is so bad, why do the super bowl champs, their nemsis the ravens, and countless other teams excell at it?

They get turnovers. They get sacks. They get three and outs.

Mock the idea all you want, but in a copycat league, Blache will figure out some way to switch up what the skins have been doing.

No team can play a pure anything anymore, and the teams that don't use mixture and deception don't do much.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

From Profootballweekly:

Word is the Redskins are kicking the tires on some college quarterbacks perhaps a bit closer than they have in recent years. Jason Campbell’s job is not in jeopardy yet. But it’s possible that the Redskins will consider drafting a QB as someone who can put pressure on Campbell at some point down the road, perhaps in 2010.

While I hope that its true that they are looking at legit competition for JC, we already have a young drafted QB on the roster, they need to bring in a veteran that could actually push JC (meaning not Collins).

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

My cuts for today-
-Tryon (CB); welcome to the practice squad.
-P. Danies (DE); welcome to coaching.
-J. Evans (FB); welcome to the practice squad.
-Kicker - Can only have one, right?
-K. Campbell (LB)- Time to move on.
-M. Washington (LB)- Time to move on.
-J. Cain (LS)- sorry buddy, the TRed Snapper is back for another year.
-M. Green (S) - Plenty of youth and talent at Safety. He was a stopgap anyway.

Surprise No Cut-
J. Thrash (WR)


Posted by: matthewvickers | February 17, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

mattv, apart from MWash, those are bare minimum guys. You hardly gain anything in cap space....you're going to cut tryon before you can see what he can do?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I saw Tryon get beat like a rented mule in the preseason by CFL players and anybody over 5'8", and I saw him all season have no idea how to down a punt.....what exactly should we wait for?

My cuts:
Tryon
Springs
MWashington
Taylor
Griffen
Collins (a cap hit but dead weight at this point and its not a brutal hit)

Resign:
Evans
Monte
Gholston
Hall

Re-work:
Cooley- (one of the few guys to go ahead and push a deal out longer, he's young and productive and will be for a while)
Samuels- (still plenty of tread on his tires, eventually can shift to the right side)
Daniels- can get two more years from him and we are thin at DE/DT and he can play both
Landry- huge rookie contract, has proven he can play, guarantee the money and push that deal out for some savings just like Cooley

Doing all that should give you plenty of space to take the TC hit and still have money to sign some guys not named Albert or Julius, maybe even bring in a vet QB for some real competition for JC.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

My cuts for today-
-Tryon (CB); welcome to the practice squad.
-P. Danies (DE); welcome to coaching.
-J. Evans (FB); welcome to the practice squad.
-Kicker - Can only have one, right?
-K. Campbell (LB)- Time to move on.
-M. Washington (LB)- Time to move on.
-J. Cain (LS)- sorry buddy, the TRed Snapper is back for another year.
-M. Green (S) - Plenty of youth and talent at Safety. He was a stopgap anyway.

Surprise No Cut-
J. Thrash (WR)

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 17, 2009 12:50 PM |

My cuts for Today:

M. Wash.
Jason Taylor
C. Griff
S. Springs

I just got us 20mil in cap space.

And don't count on an uncapped year because that is not likely.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

And don't count on an uncapped year because that is not likely.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2009 1:10 PM

Why? It seems like everyone has acknowledged this.

It makes more sense now than ever considering the economic times.......

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I'm not looking at cap numbers so much as I am looking at the 53 man roster.

No big names, yes I know but I don't think there will be many big names involved in FA and cuts this year. Maybe the Oline gets hit with one or two.

I believe that Tryon is raw and needs time to develop. I def think that Byron Westbrook is just as good if not better than Tryon. If Springs, Hall, Rogers & Smoot stay in place and he can beat out Westbrook then I think as a number 5 corner, he will learn a lot from the Vets....maybe.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 17, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Why? It seems like everyone has acknowledged this.

It makes more sense now than ever considering the economic times.......

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 1:13 PM |

Because if they go to an uncapped year the players will never except another cap, plus the players don't want it because the younger guys will have to wait 6 years to become FA's.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

There has to be some cuts soon - FA starts next Friday - 10 days.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 17, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I'm not looking at cap numbers so much as I am looking at the 53 man roster.

No big names, yes I know but I don't think there will be many big names involved in FA and cuts this year. Maybe the Oline gets hit with one or two.

I believe that Tryon is raw and needs time to develop. I def think that Byron Westbrook is just as good if not better than Tryon. If Springs, Hall, Rogers & Smoot stay in place and he can beat out Westbrook then I think as a number 5 corner, he will learn a lot from the Vets....maybe.


Posted by: matthewvickers | February 17, 2009 1:13 PM |

The only way we can do anything is to cut players we can gain cap space from, big names.

There is no one on the O-Line that can be cut without costing the Skins a ton of cap space.

Kendall is a FA but that does not help with the cap.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

From Espn

Primary concern: Last year, Dan Snyder went out and hired Jim Zorn because he thought he had a shot at getting quarterback Jason Campbell to the next level. Campbell was superb in the first half of the season, but he fell back into some of his old habits down the stretch. His growth will be a key to the team's success and Zorn's future as a head coach.

Solution: The Redskins thought they were bringing in several weapons for Campbell when they took a tight end and two wide receivers in the second round of the 2008 draft. No one has emerged from that group, so Campbell's forced to rely on Pro Bowl tight end Chris Cooley and the same mighty mite receivers. The Redskins have to reload along the offensive line because they've gotten old there. If Campbell doesn't have enough time in the pocket, he'll never be successful.

Secondary concern: This team desperately needs to improve its pass rush.
NFL.com Video
Check out highlights of the best moments from Clinton Portis in 2008.
Greg Blache's group didn't play poorly, but defensive end Jason Taylor was a huge disappointment. He never felt comfortable in the defense and he was banged up for most of the year. And the solution isn't 36-year-old Phillip Daniels, although he could help the team.

Solution: The Redskins need to identify a talented young pass-rusher in the draft such as Brian Orakpo of Texas and latch onto him. If the Redskins don't improve both their offensive and defensive lines, they won't be a factor in the NFC East next season. Clinton Portis was brilliant in the first half of the season, but he didn't have anywhere to go down the stretch. The Redskins have to invest in the offensive and defensive lines. The club doesn't have many picks, so it needs to be smart on draft day.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 17, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Because if they go to an uncapped year the players will never except another cap, plus the players don't want it because the younger guys will have to wait 6 years to become FA's.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2009 1:15 PM

But the Union has no leader. And union leaders and owners have stated that they are not afraid to go into atleast one uncapped year before a new CBA would be reached.

Plus there are so many rules for an uncapped year that it makes sense to me to go into one. You can't just sign anybody you want.....

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

if the league goes uncapped, teams like buffalo, and cincy will get swallowed up. I just can't see it happening.

Flounds cuts were the cuts that need to be made. They get MAX cap space, and they're getting rid of players past their prime.

Cutting Tryon, based on his rookie year, you might as well cut Thomas, Kelly, Rino, Jackson, as well. Just makes ZERO sense as usual. So he got beat in preseason as a rookie, lots of rookies improve between their 1st and 2nd year.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

http://was.scout.com/a.z?s=71&p=8&c=1&nid=3625460

No to Orakpo...

He's too small.......

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

rway, there wont just be ONE uncapped year. They're not getting the toothpaste back in the tube if they go uncapped, it just wont happen.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

'...I just got us 20mil in cap space....'

And so, what becomes of that space if it should miraculously appear?

Does it bring in a starting rt?

Does it bring in a starting lg?

Does it bring in a slb?

Does it sign a guy named Hall to play c?

Does it bring in a big-bodied dt?

Does it allow the FO to say, "Hey, let's do nothing and make the most with what we got!"

We've got plenty o' questions.

Let's hope some of the answer match up this time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

posted that yesterday jm

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

rway, can't access, lets wait till the combine to see what he weights in at....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Skins offseason plan. Take $20million off the cap with Springs, Griffin, Washington and Taylor. Don't overspend on DeAngelo Hall and if Hall goes, may need to keep Springs. Can any of these guys be traded or are there contract restrictions? Not sure.

Sign 2 FA (1 OL, 1 LB), draft 1 stud OL (prefer) or LB at #13. The 4 picks should be 2 OL, 1 LB and either a DL or LB with the other pick.

Resign Jason Campbell with the cleared cap space.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 17, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

if the league goes uncapped, teams like buffalo, and cincy will get swallowed up. I just can't see it happening.


Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 1:25 PM

How?

They are spending money on players. They still have to put butts in their home seats.

That statement makes no sense.....

4th

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Thomas, Kelly, Rhino, Jackson all have flashed talent and have the physical tools to play at the NFL level.....whereas Tryon has shown........nothing....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

But the Union has no leader. And union leaders and owners have stated that they are not afraid to go into atleast one uncapped year before a new CBA would be reached.

Plus there are so many rules for an uncapped year that it makes sense to me to go into one. You can't just sign anybody you want.....

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 1:23 PM |

That is true but once they go uncapped, the players have already said they will never agree to another cap.

Plus teams like the Skins and Cowboys can go into bidding wars for players and drive prices up around the league.

Then you will have teams that will not sign anyone, because there is no spending floor. These teams will suck and the NFL will become just like the MLB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

They are spending money on players. They still have to put butts in their home seats.

That statement makes no sense.....

4th

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 1:31 PM |

There spending money on players because they have to, there is a minimum spending limit in the NFL.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Here's a decent summary of the players going into the combine (begins on Wednesday).
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 17, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Flounder while everything you say makes sense, as a Skins fan frankly, we should be praying for an uncapped year, even if its for only one year. One year lets us dump every single one of our moronic contracts in one fell swoop. But longterm the truth is, this franchise has been at the absolute bottom rung of success in the league since the cap came into being, a NFL without a cap gives the Skins the best chance of success again anytime soon because Snyderatto have more than proven on a level playing field they belong in the special olympics.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

'...There has to be some cuts soon - FA starts next Friday - 10 days...'


It seems like a lot of teams are being guarded--as usual for football teams-- and wainting up until the last minute to release anybody.

Fred Taylor getting cut amzed me?

His getting cut begs the following question: will a running back ever get the chance to break the yardage/attempts records in a world where passing the ball and sal cap cuts have diminshed their value?

I mean, people in this blog ape about the skins having a strong running game, but not one of the NFL final 4 teams had a dominant running attack.

They came out in three receiver sets and attacked.

Do you even need a great running back anymore?


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

greg,

This is the link, looks like the guy is 260, he's 6-4 he could easly add 10 to 15 pounds working with a pro strength coach he would be fine.

Ht: 6-4 Wt: 260
Position: DE
Date of Birth: 07/31/1986
Birthplace: Houston, TX
Class: RS - Senior
High School: Lamar HS
(Houston, TX)
College: Texas

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

4th, Ralph Wilson gets how much revenue from naming his stadium after himself, versus, how much will Dallas get for the naming rights to their stadium. No player will want to go play in Buffalo, or Cincy, because they wont have the money to spend.

its the same thing in baseball. You have the haves, when it comes to making money, and you have the have-nots. Buffalo, and Cincy are currently of the 'have not' category. Whats so hard to understand about this?

zj, thanks for your input, but again, cutting a player after their rookie season just makes zero sense. Given that he's at a very small salary, and heck, could be learning how to play better, why not leave him on the roster, and give him a chance.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Z,

I agree with you I'm just saying I don't think they will let it happen, I would love to be able to dump all the terrible contracts given during the Gibbs era.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

That is true but once they go uncapped, the players have already said they will never agree to another cap.

Plus teams like the Skins and Cowboys can go into bidding wars for players and drive prices up around the league.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2009 1:31 PM

That was Gene Upshaw and his word dosen't carry the same importance since he is gone.

There are rules set in place to prevent these bidding wars. It won't be anywhere close to the Yankess/Red Sux payroll competetion........

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I and others agree that the 'skins should give some thought to a 3-4. Like Moe said, it doesn't necessarily have to be your philosophy, you just do it to give the opposing offense different looks - to cause confusion.

Hell, I'd line the defense up in a 4-6, 3-5-3, or a 4-2-5 - really would have the offense of the other team confused as hell.

It just seems us hybrid guys catch a lot of flack for having the idea or curiosity of a potential switch.

zj, read your comments from yesterday RE: Cartwright, I just want to say that I'm in formation with ya, dude. I've never understood why this guy is irreplaceable. You made several good point about how he is average at what he does, and how he doesn't make any contribution AT ALL at the RB position. I was saying the same things before last season started, but the "love rocks" thought it was blasphemous to speak of cutting ties with him.

Is Rock part of the problem? Hell no. But can you find someone else that can do the things that he does, AND be an asset in *gasp* the running game? I think so. 'Cause you guys do know that's what he supposed to do right, you know him being a running back and all.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

There are rules set in place to prevent these bidding wars. It won't be anywhere close to the Yankess/Red Sux payroll competetion........

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 1:39 PM |

No there are rules to prevent players movement, 6years for FA's, there are rules for the top 8 teams saying they can only sign a FA if they let a FA go.

There are no limits on what you can pay for a player in a uncapped year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Greg, lots of players are cut in training camp or during their first year, if the guy can't play he doesn't belong there just because he was a draft pick....that's moronic....should we have kept Brooks just because it was his first year? what about Shuler he only got one year out the thousands of other players who aren't around long enough for a cup of coffee. The guy got torched by everybody on the field in the preseason, teams literally ran a guy 20 yards downfield and threw a jump ball and he couldn't do anything about it, and he sucked on special teams to boot.....he is what we thought he was and I for one will crown his a#@. Instead of putting a guy on the Psquad like Richardson who had a great preseason including a pick six only for him to get signed to another teams active roster b/c Vinny didn't want to admit he was a bad pick Tryon should be gone. IF you want to give him another preseason I'm ok with that, but if he looks like last year again he better not make the roster just so Vinny can pat himself on the back.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

We need the NFL to become like MLB. We'd be one of the teams in the advantage with the revenue we pull in. Cause this level playing field stuff is killing us with the clowns we have running things.

Where are we gonna get our cut and FA info from? Is Jasno actually gonna post things or will it be cut and paste by someone up here from another outlet?

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 17, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Red, that was my whole point, he aint the problem no, but a cheap fix/upgrade could help a lot, we need a speed guy at RB!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Because of the Economy, Jerrah Jones can not find a buyer for the rights to the new Texas Stadium.

The Economy is bad for them boys too. He won't have the cash flow he usually has.

Flound - Do you think Cincy will cut everybody and resign them to lower numbers? Everyone contract dosen't expire after this year and there are plenty players getting paid handsomely on their team. They just franchised the kicker at $2.5 Mil. That's alot of money.

They are cheap outside of the field (coaches, scouts, etc), but they pay their players nicely. Chad Johnson's contract has another 3 years on it averging $8Mil+.....

I think that argument is less reletive than people think.

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

zj, again, thanks for your input, again, cutting him because of what he did in preseason as a rookie is somewhat short-sighted, and reactionary at best. Lets see how he progress's, with a year under his belt, a year in the defensive system, etc......

crazy, I know.....and for the record, I saw him down a 2, or 3 punts inside the 10 towards the end of the year....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

http://was.scout.com/a.z?s=71&p=8&c=1&nid=3628808

Lock for Skins @ #13.

Championship.

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

rw, you're missing the point. Guys like Snyder and Jones, MAXIMIZE their revenue. Guys like Ralph Wilson, have no clue how to do this, and name their stadium after themselves.

Compare that to what the Redskins got from Fedex, which was what 100 million to name the stadium. How can you not understand this??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

he was standing in a group of people when he did it, we didn't have a single gunner all year make a great play on a downed punt, the only shot was Rock in the Steelers game on a ball that had already stopped that he decided to slide on and make a touchback. And thanks for your input and your unfailing faith in last year's draft class, but Tryon at best will never be more a 5th corner/special teamer and he won't be that for long.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

MAWAE SAYS PLAYERS ARE WILLING TO “ROLL THE DICE” ON AN UNCAPPED YEAR

Posted by Mike Florio on January 29, 2009, 4:30 p.m. EST

Near the conclusion of the NFL Players Association’s annual “state of the union” press conference, NFLPA President Kevin Mawae told the assembled media and onlookers that the players are willing to “roll the dice” with an uncapped year in 2010.

Mawae’s comments came after interim Executive Director Richard Berthelsen reiterated the late Gene Upshaw’s long-held view that, once the salary cap goes away, it won’t come back.

But while the union continues to peddle the notion that a year with no salary cap will be a great thing for players, the reality is far different. With no salary cap, there also will be no salary floor.

Another fact not widely known or appreciated is that special rules will apply to the “final eight” teams of 2009, preventing them from signing a free agent until they lose one of their own.
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So, as I was saying earlier, atleast One (1) UnCAPPed year is a very very strong possibility, if not eminent for 2010......

4th

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

yeah, giving guys more than 1 year to adjust to the pro-game, what a foolish concept....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

and an uncapped year is an answer to Danny's prayers

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Compare that to what the Redskins got from Fedex, which was what 100 million to name the stadium. How can you not understand this??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 1:52 PM

I acknowledge that. But I need to see how this translate into winning Championships. Not having the most expenseive roster...

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

“LAST CAPPED YEAR” LOOKS TO BE A NEAR CERTAINTY
Posted by Mike Florio on January 12, 2009, 1:36 p.m. EST
Three years ago, the NFL and the NFL Players Association worked out a new Collective Bargaining Agreement on the brink of a new league year. In fact, the two sides agreed to delay the start of the new league year on a couple of occasions in order to get a deal done.

Some people think that the goal was to avoid the beginning of the long-dreaded “uncapped year.”

It wasn’t. The goal was to avoid the last year with a salary cap, since it involves accounting rules that make it harder for the teams to keep and sign players. The thinking was that, once the teams dealt with the major headaches of the last capped year, they would have been more inclined to tolerate an uncapped year.

This time around, the last capped year is less than two months away. But there’s no sense of urgency to get a deal done.

In our view, there are several reasons for this drastically different dynamic. First, the union still doesn’t have a replacement at Executive Director for the late Gene Upshaw. Until a new Executive Director is hired, meaningful discussions simply can’t occur. (The new Executive Director likely will be picked in March.)

Second, the last time around teams were limited in the last capped year to a four-year proration of signing bonus money for draft picks, which would have made it much harder to sign first-round selections, since more cap space in the current year would have been used. This time around, a five-year proration will apply.

Third, teams aren’t spending to the cap limit like they used to. And with the $123 million per-team cap number already set due to the two-year “pegging” of the number based on projected revenues, the economic downturn will make many teams less willing or able to scrape the spending ceiling.

As a result, it’s no surprise that interim Executive Director Richard Berthelsen has advised the rank-and-file that negotiations will commence “later this year” on a new CBA.

It appears, then, that the teams are far more willing to accept a “last capped year” than they were in 2006, even if it will be very hard for some of them to get or stay under the spending limit.

The question then becomes whether putting up with the hard decisions associated with cap compliance in 2009 will make those teams more inclined to have a system without a spending maximum in 2010.

Then again, there’s also a chance that more than a few teams would like to have a season without a spending minimum, and that’s another widely overlooked reality of the looming year without a salary cap.

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I mean, people in this blog ape about the skins having a strong running game, but not one of the NFL final 4 teams had a dominant running attack.

They came out in three receiver sets and attacked.

Do you even need a great running back anymore?


Posted by: MistaMoe

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The Ravens had a dominant running attack -- 3rd in the league, I believe. And the Eagles' most dangerous and most valuable player is their RB, even if he isn't a traditional, pound the defense type of guy.

I think over the past ten years it's been proven that no team "needs" any given position. The Ravens won without a QB, the Patriots won without WRs, the Steelers and Patriots both have won without great or even good RBs, the Rams won without any defense, the Steelers won with a weak offensive line, the list goes on. It's all about doing what you do really, really well. That and getting hot at the right time.

Posted by: psps23 | February 17, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

rw, the Bills are less likely able to bring in free agents, than teams who have money to spend.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

danny will push for an uncapped year. not because its good for the league, but because its good for danny. a small mind thinking small

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 17, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm not high on Tryon, Tyron, or whatever - but I don't think there is anything wrong with him for sticking around for next year and the year after that. By then it should be clear if he's capable of playing in the league.

If he's progressing, then the coaches and THE fans will notice. If he's regressing, or seems that he isn't made toplay in the league, THE fans will notice that waaaaaay before the coaches will.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

red, yup, pretty much my line of thinking as well. Logical, and all.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

rw, the Bills are less likely able to bring in free agents, than teams who have money to spend.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 2:10 PM

Depending on thier personnel and scouting department, they will still be a competitor.

You shouldn't build your team completely through free agency anyway.....

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

yeah, meanwhile we hold a roster spot for somebody on a 53 man roster that can't play defense and doesn't help on special teams for 3 years just because he was a bad draft pick......yeah real logical....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is alright with me... seriously. Dude just hasn't figured out what it takes to be consistent winner and he accquired that undying loyalty trait from Gibbs. (Cerrato & Portis)

The day that Snyder realizes that he doesn't need to meddle in the "goings on" of the roster unless it's absoloutely necessary, AND fire or relegate Cerrato to a different position, will be the day that fans will adore him.

Get over the fact that you feel you're being hustled at the games on Sundays. He's a business man, he isn't your friend, he simply views the fans as dollar signs, and plays on the overzealous emotions of 'skins fans.

Plainly stated: Don't hate the player, hate the game, or yourselves for investing so much emotion into the team.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

zj, again, logic not your strong point. Lets see what he can do, in the next year, before we cut him.

Is there a chance he can improve, or did your magic 8 ball tell you differently??

How is it you're able to see into the future like that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

but I get what your trying to say, we should keep bad draft picks as long as possible in the fruitless hope that a 5'8" corner who can't return kicks, is bad a being a gunner, and can't cover anybody taller than 5'10" might one day turn into a mild contributor because he's cheap....that's logical.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I forgot we were back in Bean's wonderful world of wait and see where nothing was a mistake, all players are future hall of famers, and all things Redskins will be perfect......just wait and see....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

sigh.....sometimes stupid people can't help themselves....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

which is why you keep talking...

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

zj, I hear ya - you just don't care for the guy, and what you've seen hasn't impressed you. There are several guys on the team I wouldn't mind them parting ways with - several .

The difference between him and Cartwright is that, well Tryon is a rookie (Rock has played 7, 8 years?). CBs and WRs, and QBs take a little longer to develop than other positions. I think those positons mentioned are a little difficult to grasp right away then say RB.

Time is the ultimate measuring stick. zj, be patient and Tryon at least one more year. I would really like the dude to get back there on kick returns and punt returns. He may be the fastest on the team, what could it hurt?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Bean the truth is, a 4th round pick, which Tryon was, is on most teams a longshot to be a contributor/make the team and is interchangeable if you find somebody better. There were better corners on our team last preseason, there will be better corners on the team this preseason, he won't be cut until training camp is over, because he was a draft pick, but corner is a position where every player needs to actually be able to play, especially when Smoot and Springs are ahead of him on the depth chart cause they get hurt a lot. If Tryon is anything more than the 5th corner next year, we're in trouble, and hopefully he'll be psquad or unemployed.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

zj, give it a rest, you don't like tryon, point made. He was a rookie. Any rookie who doesn't contribute their first year, immediately gets cut. Check. Good plan.....as usual...not shortsighted in the least...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

zj, bean is just a wild optimist... wish i had that appraoch in everything - especially involving the 'skins.

the optimist will always hate the pessimist (not saying that you're one ,zj), and vice versa.

the realist will always just sit back and laugh at the two arguing, fussing, and fighting amongst themselves.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Red, I don't know the guy, never heard an interview nothing. What I do know is starting with the hall of fame game where Quinn Gray (unemployed all season) dropped back and lobbed passes to a 6'2" future unemployed receiver and Tryon fell down once getting ready to try and jump waist high for the ball and then later got all the way up to armpit level while they gained 30 yards on him and then the follow 4 games where he got routinely abused for long plays and TD's I kind of thought he wasn't very good. If he could return kicks and punts and be a positive on coverage units, great keep him as your 5th corner, if he can't do any of that, get him out of here, cause no amount of "adjusting to the pro game" will make him any taller.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

4's Hellie Injures Shoulder On Slopes - 2/17 - Channel 4/WRC sports anchor Dan Hellie (right) is recovering from a shoulder separation after taking a header Monday on the slopes at a ski resort near Park City, Utah. News Blues tells us that he will require surgery when he returns to DC. Last year, Hellie took 14 stitches to the eye after getting head-butted during pickup hoops.....

Posted by: RightWay | February 17, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Red, agreed...

Bean, never said cut any of Rhino, Thomas, Kelly, Jackson, Davis, Horton, or Moore. All except Rhino flashed some ability and Rhino plays a position where we are desperate for young bodies. All of them except Horton failed miserably at impressing, but few of them had near as many opportunities as Tryon to do anything exciting and he did nothing. Not a single nice play on teams and preseason of abuse. But don't worry, we'll wait and see.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato and his boyfriends need to get on the ball and start getting rid of some of the "Fat" on the skins roster. Placky was a solid start, but they need to keep it going. Now would be a great time for Cerrato to watch Payton's commercial.

"CUT THAT MEAT! CUT THAT MEAT!"

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | February 17, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

What happend to Matterral Richardson?

I wish the 'skins would've kept him instead of Tryon. He seems like he would be a very physical corner, which is needed in the NFC east.

Two RBs that played with their respected teams forver were released today - Fred Taylor and Deuce McAllister, oh yeah, and Chris McAllister was released also.

Anyone the least interested in these guys?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins are not happy with Rock as a return guy (though they should be pleased with him, he has been effective), they could go back and get that really fast guy who took one to the house a couple years ago vs AZ. What's his name

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 17, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

'...We need the NFL to become like MLB...'

Why?: let me guess, you see all that money the Skins pull in and think, "Oh boy, we'd sign everybody we wanted, and then would dominant."

Just like we did in 2000?

What we need is a strong GM, someone who can balance personnel needs that fit scheme to financial dealings seen through the tight-fisted lens of long-term objectives.

Because even in an uncapped sport like baseball, money doesn't guarantee anything.

Ask Yankee fans about that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

zj, move on please....myself and others have tried to impress on you that rookies take time to adjust to the pro-game. Furthermore, rookie cb, wr, and qb, take exponentially more time to adjust. You fail to grasp ANY of these concepts, despite their being history to back up these points.....please move on, you are incapable of understanding anything that you don't agree with.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"wild optimist" was not meant to be a shot, btw.

since i'm neither a optimist or pessimist, I guess i throw myself in with the realist group - and that ain't all good neither.

a realist life can be so boring, status quo, and mundane.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

What happend to Matterral Richardson?

I wish the 'skins would've kept him instead of Tryon. He seems like he would be a very physical corner, which is needed in the NFC east.

Two RBs that played with their respected teams forver were released today - Fred Taylor and Deuce McAllister, oh yeah, and Chris McAllister was released also.

Anyone the least interested in these guys?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Richardson was my example of who should have stayed instead of Tryon, and he was signed to Houston's active roster mid season.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

What happend to Matterral Richardson?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2009 2:56 PM

He was signed by the Houston Texans off the Redskins practice squad.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins are not happy with Rock as a return guy (though they should be pleased with him, he has been effective), they could go back and get that really fast guy who took one to the house a couple years ago vs AZ. What's his name

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 17, 2009 2:57 PM

Antonio Brown. I REALLY wanted them to keep him, but from PG County to Richmond and from DC to WV, James Thrash is god.

Besides, Gibbs didn't care for how he taunted - THE CROWD before scoring that TD.

Good grief Gibbs.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

and Bean shut up and quit acting like your soooooo smart, for every guy it takes 3 years for them to "get it" and catch on there are a 100 that never catch on and get good. And actually, while some QB's or WR's get it right away and some take time, and same with every other position, most everyone will tell you that corner and running back are the two easiest positions to transition in, cause running is running and covering is covering. Most corners while they take time to learn the nuances of cover 2 or zone blitz schemes can hold up in a preseason game against CFL level talent in man to man coverage if they are ever going to.....so just stop pretending like you're imparting some known fact that no young players are good right off the bat, and at least get your positions right on the ones it actually may take some time, here's a hint, man up against a team's 7th soon to be unemployed wideout, a corner should get embarrassed.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

can someone post Richardson's stats from the midpoint with Houston??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

wait, no I forgot, man up against a 7th WR who will be looking for carwash or bagging groceries work in a week a draft pick ought to be able to cover him.........

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

can someone post Richardson's stats from the midpoint with Houston??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 3:09 PM |

Here are his stats:

0

Thats it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Damn this practice squad crap. Crummey and Richardson would've been some good young talent to come in and coach up. they seem to have it physically - Richardson was 6'0" 200lbs. and Crummey looked to probably be the eventual replacement of Rabach.


These were the guys who either made the practice squad or were released altogether:

DT Matthias Askew, DT Ryan Boschetti, FB Nehemiah Broughton, OT Devin Clark, OG Andrew Crummey, QB Derek Devine, P Derrick Frost, WR Horace Gant, LB Curtis Gatewood, S Patrick Ghee, LB David Holloway, WR Maurice Mann, RB Marcus Mason, OG Fred Matua, WR Billy McMullen, WR Anthony Mix, CB Matterral Richardson, LB Danny Verdun-Wheeler, OT Todd Wade, OT Tavares Washington and CB Byron Westbrook

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Brown turned it over once and that was what cost him his job. For some guys, its 1 fumble and you're done.

But blowing kisses on that return ... classic. Never understood why no one ever gave him another chance. Guy was really really fast

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 17, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

te, no seriously, I'm being serious here, please post his stats since hooking up with Houston midseason.

how could that even be possible......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

he was only on the team for 3 games, and didn't play, yet still was only 4 shy of Tryon's tackle total for a 16 game season. My point is Richardson in preseason displays good coverage skills with a pick 6, and 31 tackles and 3 pass defenses, whereas Tryon had 30 tackles, 3 pass defenses while getting routinely picked on and beat for big plays and TD's. And then spent a 16 game regular season produce 4 tackles and no plays.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Either he was inactive for the five games he was with Houston, or he didnt get on the field. He has no stats.

And heres whats really weird. If you look at his personal page on the Houston website, he never was in Houston. They have three pictures of him: two with the Redskins in burgunday and gold, and one with Arkansas in razorback red. No pix of him in a Texans uni.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

lol, this is actually approaching hilarity....how many years has richardson been in the league?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah and one is listed at a generous 5'9" 183 lbs. was a JUCO 1 year starter at Arizona State and the other is 6'0" 202 lbs. and was a 3 year starter in the SEC. Which would you rather have had?

Anyway, done with it, we'll see how long Tryon sticks around and how good he is, then you can apologize for the wasted roster spot/draft pick whenever the ax finally falls.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

he's a rookie, and he was on their roster for weeks 15 thru 17 and had no stats cause he didn't get in a game. Kinda like Rhino....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

he was only on the team for 3 games, and didn't play,

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 3:19 PM |

Five games [Jacksonville (12/1), at Green Bay (12/7), vs. Tennessee (12/14), at Oakland (12/21) and vs. Chicago (12/28)], but who`s counting?

So, what you`re saying here, Angry Old Man Jack, is that he`s not one of those players who catches on right away. That means the Texans should cut him, right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

what does his stats matter?

why are you guys so hung the hell up on stats and what his numbers were at the combine?

sometimes stats don't matter. and I tell you what, for those who are sweatin' stats, Justin Tryon got molested repeatedly in the preseason last year - that guy you're dogging t_e & bean took a pick to the crib against the Colts in preseason.

yes, it's preason, but both of you seem to be hung up on stats, and the preseason is all you can judge Tryon on - what were his stats, in both the preseason and regular season? and spare me the downed punts business - it isn't a official STATISTIC. and if that is what you keep a guy around for *cough Rock* then he's expendable, sorry.

look Richardson is gone, probably isn't coming back. They have Tryon, keep him around coach 'em up for another year or two - it's only his second year and see what you have from there.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

zj, tryon kick your dog, or steal your girl or something...your obsession with him is beyond unhealthy.....and its not that I'm acting sooo smart...on the contrary actually...its just that you're acting so irrationally, and foolish...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Regardless, while I personally would have had liked Richardson over Tryon, that's not my point, my point is that Tryon does and always will suck donkey balls, and the sooner he's gone the better off the Skins will be, argue it, wait see it all you want, but no amount of practice or magical time period is going to make so he suddenly is big enough to cover 85% of the receivers in this league. Maybe if we could put him on the psquad we could get some use out of him since we do have the smallest starting WR tandem in the league but since very few teams start a single receiver as small as either of ours there's not much hope of him ever helping us unless he magically gets the return duties, that's his only shot.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

while you've got your magic 8-ball out, could I get the lottery numbers for the next powerball jackpot too??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

JUCO 1 year starter at Arizona State and the other is 6'0" 202 lbs. and was a 3 year starter in the SEC. Which would you rather have had?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 3:24 PM

Angry Old Man Jack, can you just not get the facts straight or are you just bluffing? Or lying?

Tryon started two years at Arizona State, not one. He started all 26 games those two years. And he put up numbers -- tackles, solo tackles, intereceptions -- in his 26 starts that were about the same as Richardson`s, despite being only as tall as Darryl Green.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

te, you're wasting your time...just sit back and have a laugh.....it really is high comedy...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

no amount of practice or magical time period is going to make so he suddenly is big enough to cover 85% of the receivers in this league.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 3:31 PM |

Makes you wonder how that runt Darryl Green was able to make a living in the NFL, doesnt it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

damn you te, and your logic....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

beantown,

Yesterday he was up here saying that we should cut Todd Collins (about a three million cap hit) and sign Jeff Garcia to be the BACKUP QB. This would cost about $6 million total, on a cap-strapped team, for a guy who you expect would never see the field. Oh, and Collins -- who got us into the playoffs with a 106 QB rating after Campbell went down -- he labelled as `nothing short of mediocre.`

This was after he was criticizing the FO for stupidity.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Makes you wonder how that runt Darryl Green was able to make a living in the NFL, doesnt it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

The size of receivers is dramatically bigger on average than in DG's day, if you don't know that you don't know much about football.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

and TE I was on here today saying the same thing. Yes I do think that Collins needs to go and legit competition should exist for a guy that in heading into his 4th year of playing and to date has been spectacularly mediocre.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

not to mention the "we should switch to a 3-4" argument he brings up here at least once a week. Despite the facts that we don't have a NT on the roster, nor the linebackers to fit the system, nor defensive ends that fit the system.

I wont even get into the argument of why change the #4 ranked defense...thats just too easy...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

if that isn't Colt then it needs to be signed elsewhere, still think Garcia would be a great signing, not near as expensive as two years ago when he took the iggles to the playoffs, but still plenty of play left in his arm, he knows the west coast system probably better than Zorn does and would be a great vet to backup JC start in an injury situation, or if JC is still mediocre next year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, done with it, we'll see how long Tryon sticks around and how good he is, then you can apologize for the wasted roster spot/draft pick whenever the ax finally falls.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 3:24 PM


I agree with this 100%, because the Dionne Warick/"call me now" lady in me says that Tryon won't be sticking around with the 'skins if he doesn't show vast improvemnt this preseason.

he came in bumping his gums, lets see what he does this preseason - if he sucks then i'll hop on the "rid of" bandwagon.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

again, I haven't read anything on here that the 'skins need to completely change their philosophy and switch to a 3-4. I think guys like zj, Moe, and myself would like to see them employ a hybrid defense - to POSSIBLY force more turnovers, but more importantly just to give the defense a different look.

They do have the LBs on the team. Fincher/Blades/Fletcher could be the ILBs and McIntosh, Wilson, Buzbee, and J. Taylor could fill the OLB spots.

Damn, where is the vision, the creativity? Just becasue something is working well doesn't mean you can tweak it a little.

I don't know, I'm just one of those dudes that when I do something well, I always think there are areas that I can improve in. So being 4th ranked in defense while good, isn't great because sometimes stats/rankings don't tell the whole story.

I mean Campbell put up marginal numbers the first 8 weeks, only thing that had people geeked over Campbell was that he didn't throw a pick until the Steelers game, but if you look at his STATS - since that's the ultimate measuremnet, do you really think that he was a top tier QB in the mold of Brees, Brady, or Manning?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Always be ready for a ninja attack.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

and such as like the Iraq eh dik

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Didnt know if you guys knew this or not but Ethan Albright resigned with the skins.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 17, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

And now for a real RI discussion:

What Redskins player would be the most likely to be a successful ninja?

What Redskin would survive the Zombie hoard?

What Redskin would be the first to compare the Cowboys to the Nazis?

If the Flash and Santana Moss were to race across the nation against FDR who would win and by how many Furlongs?

If the beers playing football were to play the Robots from the Fox Sports intro who would win?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

How-The-Mighty-Have-Fallen Department:

Univeristy of Miami and Notre Dame have only one player, each, at the NFL combine. By comparison, Abilene Christian and Central Washington have two players each.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

THE TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGING.. Harmonica

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Here's the headline:

"Ethan Albright resigns to be with redskins next season..."

[:-0

In other news Leigh Torrence has become a ninja... so watch out.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

+++Cork - I would like some combination of those two, but it definitely can't be both... I guess my question is what would look better.... a big focus on O or D?

Posted by: Rypien11 +++

I'd go with fixing the offense this year, because that Oline is about to implode--as it did the second half of 2008.

I'd look to bring in three serious OLinemen, be it through FA or the draft. Maybe a Robinson and a Woods and a FA.

The team will have to keep its fingers crossed and hope they'll get good years out of at least one, preferrably two of last year's draftees at receiver. WIht good pass blocking and guys getting open in the correct routes, that take a tong of pressure of the offense.

I'd like Zorn to come up with some new running plays, and somebody has to ease the burden on Portis.

I would hope the skins were able to trade down, leaving a couple of decent picks left for the defense. Depending on who is re-signed and gets healthy, I think most critical needs on D are DE and OLB. I think Washington is a Cap Cut, and if they pay Taylor much more than vet minimum with incentives, they are insane.Better they keep the kids, Jackson, Buzbee, etc. I would hope Daniels comes back for a another year.

Like to see them re-sign Carlos and offer Hall an incentive laden contract too. If they break the bank for that guy, they are as crazy as The Raiders were. Springs costs too much to keep for his injury record.

Griff might have a year or two left--I don't know, but I'd hate to entr the season with only Golston Monsty and Alexander at DT.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

well said corky....nicely done...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 17, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

God no. This is from Peter King today. Sorry if it's already been discussed.

VERY GOOD QUESTION. From Das, of Seattle: "I also believe Mike Vick will and probably should get another chance to play in the NFL. However, which team is going to face the scrutiny of its fan base by signing Vick? Maybe the Cowboys, since Jerry Jones seems to like wearing the "black hat"? What other teams would take on Vick's baggage and the circus-like atmosphere which would surely follow?"

I'll give you three: Oakland, Dallas and Washington. They all have owners with spines and owners who will view signing Vick in terms of how he can help the team and will worry about the consequences later.

Posted by: skinswest | February 17, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Soup than Vick. Vick would fare no better behind our current o-line.

Unless we're planning on switching to the wishbone...

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The size of receivers is dramatically bigger on average than in DG's day, if you don't know that you don't know much about football.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

And if you throw out Harold Carmichael's 6'8", it was pretty much a pygmy league back then.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 17, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

+++the optimist will always hate the pessimist (not saying that you're one ,zj), and vice versa.

the realist will always just sit back and laugh at the two arguing, fussing, and fighting amongst themselves.

Posted by: RedDMV+++

And Cynics like me just mine their wealth of material.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Thats just Peter King being the moron Skins hater that he is. Vick will NEVER come here.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 17, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

+++the optimist will always hate the pessimist (not saying that you're one ,zj), and vice versa.

the realist will always just sit back and laugh at the two arguing, fussing, and fighting amongst themselves.

Posted by: RedDMV+++

And Cynics like me just mine their wealth of material.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2009 5:42 PM |

And the idiots don`t understand any of it. What`s your point, Mr. Crock?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

++++zj, tryon kick your dog, or steal your girl or something...your obsession with him is beyond unhealthy.....and its not that I'm acting sooo smart...on the contrary actually...its just that you're acting so irrationally, and foolish...

Posted by: BeantownGreg +++

In "Say Man," Bo Diddley and his maracas player Jerome Green spend the whole song doing the dozens about each other's girlfriends.

Lines like "She has to pull the covers over her head so sleep can slip up on her."

At the end of the "debate" a third man comws in, and weighs in:

"You know, I think the Fella's right."

And so I believe ZJ is right, despite his shortage of vowels. Tryon is a dog.

But Beans is right, too, as it appears ZJ IS obsessing over Tryon, although on this site it's hardly close to anythng approaching "unhealthy."

You all miss the point.

Despite all the Free agents, from other teams and undrafted, despite ten draftees and a bunch of "New" pracice squad players at Redskins Park, only ONE STINKING NEW PLAYER CONTRIBUTED WORTH A HOOT!!!

Don't give me this "they gotta develop" crap, Beans. They drafted THREE Guys in the 2nd round. They should have drafted ONE at least who produced immediately, Other teams did and they didn't have to draft three receivers to do it.

You guys are babbling about trivia. Tryon? M. Ricahrdson? Who cares? It was a disastrous acquisition class, and THE SAME GUYS get to do it again this year.

THAT'S the Point. And it won't change because ZJ hates Tryon and Beans worships the water he thinks Vinny walks on.


Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Forgot about Hall. "TWO" players....

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

And the idiots don`t understand any of it. What`s your point, Mr. Crock?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Speaking of Idiots, I think we should put it to a vote on which is the "most hilarious" mangling of my screen hame, Mr Redskin21's wonderfully imaginative and sexually dangerous "Corksucker" or your intellectually stimulating entry, "Mr. Crock."

You just can't beat the solid comedy of Screen Name humor when you can't come up with a good pun or knock-knock joke.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Herre is a player I think the skins should consider. Leonard Weaver. He has skills that compliment Portis and he is already efficeint in this offense. Here is a analysis.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/Free+Agency/2009/weaver021709.htm

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Thats just Peter King being the moron Skins hater that he is. Vick will NEVER come here.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 17, 2009 5:50 PM

Huh? What he said was `Oakland, Dallas and Washington...all have owners with spines and owners who will view signing Vick in terms of how he can help the team and will worry about the consequences later.` That seems to me like a compliment to the 'Skins, not hate. How do you get hate out of `owners with spines who will view Vick in terms of how he can help the team`?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

It was a disastrous acquisition class, and THE SAME GUYS get to do it again this year.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2009 6:01 PM

But think about it this way, Mr. Crock. With only four picks they can`t make nearly as many mistakes as last year, right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 17, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I think I've figured out the Skin's FO problem!

Not enough peta-flops on their modelling systems! Just a bunch of the regular kind...

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Herre is a player I think the skins should consider. Leonard Weaver. He has skills that compliment Portis and he is already efficeint in this offense. Here is a analysis.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/Free+Agency/2009/weaver021709.htm

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2009 6:14 PM
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Interesting, although we have Mike Sellers doing a lot of what he can do, and Portis doing some of the rest.

It's the little fast rb we don't have.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 17, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Always be ready for a ninja attack.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2009 4:24 PM
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http://demotivationalblog.com/demotivational/2008/09/ninjas-theyre-everywhere.jpg

Ninjas... they're ... maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2009 4:30 PM
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and such as like the Iraq eh dik

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2009 4:33 PM
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I'd like to thank the two of you for making me laugh my ass off at work today.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 17, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Channeling my inner Chevy Chase, for those who remember:

In other news, Ethan Albright has STILL resigned with the Redskins

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 17, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Great, now we can endure speculation about being one of the teams who may sign the dog murdering herpes laden Ron Mexico. It never ends with this franchise.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 17, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

NINJA NIGHT TIME STEALTH ATTACK!!!! BOOM!

-Teenage Mutant Ninja Alex

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION TO ALL INTELLIGENT FOOTBALL PEOPLE:

The Denver Bronk-Hoes have released starting cornerback Dre Bly. The primary reason (at least what we know of)-- his $6 mil plus number against the sal cap.

The Madden GM believes the Redskins FO should deftly sweep in, and bring Mr. Bly into the family.

1st: Sign Hall. Hall plus Bly plus Rogers plus Smoot: that's a nice little group of corners, two of which are strong cover guys.

Easy math problem: Bly + Skins= no Shawn Springs (this cut equals savings and quality vet added to an already strong unit).

Obviously, the usual non-aggressive-cut-and-paste-names-of-anonymous-college-football-players will howl, but Moe sees this as a no brainer.

Why: 'cuz like the FO, he has no brain.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I like your Bly+Hall+Rogers+Smoot equation, but as a short name fan, I gotta hope this sets the stage for Dre Bly and Ty Law to play together. Imagine that: eleven letters, two cornerbacks.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 18, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Smoot is done. I guess boat trips cause you to lose a step. Bly is done - maybe the mountain air. Hall can't cover but can catch; same for Bly. I say no to all of them but Smoot is too expensive to cut.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 18, 2009 4:04 AM | Report abuse

Skins were trying to pick up Bly in a trade a few years ago, when he was at Detroit, before he went to Denver. He signed a five year contract for $33 million, with a lot of it guaranteed. I`ve got to believe that the Skins will claim him off waivers, although they won`t be the only team to do so.

Denver has now cut four defensive starters (from a sorry defense) this week. Shows what they think of Mike Shanahan as a personnel guy. I would have thought they would at least try to trade Bly. They must not remember how easy it was in the past to eat the Redskins lunch.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 18, 2009 6:10 AM | Report abuse

Bly is scheduled to earn $3.25 million this year plus a $400,000 workout bonus-- a lot cheaper than Shawn Springs. Bly cleaned up the last two years, earning $18.8 million.

His remaining contract is definitely managable, but at 32 can he still bring it as a starter? Denver doesn`t think so.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 18, 2009 6:17 AM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator I don't think Bly is a full time starter anymore. I do think he can be used like Smoot was usedearly last year. That is as the nickle back on the outside, with Rodgers manning te slot, and Hall on the other side. Personally, I'd prefer Mcalister over Bly.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2009 6:54 AM | Report abuse

thecork writes: "Despite all the Free agents, from other teams and undrafted, despite ten draftees and a bunch of "New" pracice squad players at Redskins Park, only ONE STINKING NEW PLAYER CONTRIBUTED WORTH A HOOT!!! Don't give me this "they gotta develop" crap, Beans. They drafted THREE Guys in the 2nd round. They should have drafted ONE at least who produced immediately, Other teams did and they didn't have to draft three receivers to do it."

Be interesting to see how they look the second time around.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Actually, NFL GMs whiff fairly often in the draft. The exception is when a team has nine or ten choices and most of them turn out to have been good. Maybe the gambling factor goes up when there are a lot of options. Some of the best drafts are made with relatively few choices.

We'll see, huh?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 18, 2009 7:06 AM | Report abuse

To those who say why to Bly:

Remember: the Skins play the AFC West season.

Maybe it makes sense to have a guy who knows a lil' sumptin' about players like Vincent Jackson, Chris Chambers, Eddie Royal, Brandon Marshall, Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, et al.

And when you remember that Jay Cutler and P Rivers are the guys throwing the ball to several of the guys listed above, maybe it also makes sense to bring in a cover corner who helps at in strategy sessions with regard to just which packages/blitz schemes work for and against them.

Bringing in Bly means you're the MLB late season rental thing where you use a veteran guy to beat some team you don't normally see.

Plus: unlike with keeping brittle a$$ed Springs around, you have a guy who'll be there to earn the money he's making.

Yes, 32 means the sand is about to run out of the hourglass of Bly's career, but if he's used to cover the slot receiver or as a nickle back, you get a guy who doesn't have to chase a wide out deep down field every play. And thus, if he has diminished skills, he's not getting you killed deep.

So if you continue to ask why Bly, present info as to why your guy--McCalister--is a better mid-term solution to what happens if Springs is cut.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 18, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Pass on McAllister, pass on Bly, pass on the corner position altogether! WE NEED LINE HELP! I'd put the Skins corners up against just about anybody's, and you'd be SHOCKED at how good they'd look if they were actually getting a pass rush! Get better on the D-line, get better on the O-line and you'd be amazed how little this team has to address the other positions behind the line...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

I'm curious to see what some guys height/weights come in as at the combine. Orakpo especially, as well as the 2 guys from Oklahoma, Robinson, and Loadholt.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 18, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

brown, I'm with you, I mean, if you think about it, whats the difference between Bly, McCallister, and Smoot at this point??

I think all 3 guys are on the back 9 in their career.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 18, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

whats the difference between Bly, McCallister, and Smoot at this point??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 18, 2009 8:31 AM

In order: one gets burned, one stays hurt and the other has regressed his entire career. Big reason why I'd rather spend the money on line help...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

brown, exactly.

I'm really hoping that the team goes after Brown, from the Ravens. If they're looking to make a splashy signing, do it on the lines, and do it with a young guy.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 18, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

TE - I didn't think he was being complimentary when he said: "owners who will view signing Vick in terms of how he can help the team and will worry about the consequences later". As in, owners who don't plan ahead.

Not to mention, lumping us in with Oakland and Dallas ? Not good.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 18, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I am all for going after young prospect type LB's and OL, I don't see much use for over the hill RB's and CB's on a roster where those are among our strongest positions.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 18, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Amen, Greg. Anybody but Haynesworth and I'm happy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Rypien11--I see your point. I hadn't really taken it that way, but you're probably right.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 18, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I am all for going after young prospect type LB's and OL, I don't see much use for over the hill RB's and CB's on a roster where those are among our strongest positions.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 18, 2009 8:52 AM

Do you think CB is our strongest position? Who do we have? Rogers, who is disgruntled and wants out and Jasno claims is up for trade. Hall who is not under contract. Springs who doesn't play and costs $6 million for not playing. Smoot who's lost it. I see plenty of weakness in this group.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 18, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Denver really wanted Bly off the team. They're taking a cap hit this year to be rid of him:

BRONCOS LOST CAP SPACE TO CUT BLY
Posted by Mike Florio on February 17, 2009, 10:49 p.m.
Though the decision to release cornerback Dre’ Bly allows the Broncos to avoid $3.25 million in 2009 base salary, Bill Williamson of ESPN.com reports that the move actually resulted in a negative cap hit for the team.

Per Williamson, the release of Bly triggers $9 million in dead money. When subtracting the money (salary and bonuses) that Bly won’t receive this year, the net cap savings is a negative $2.6 million.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 18, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I agree with TE. Assuming Rogers and Hall are the starters, one injury and you're looking at Smoot or Tryon starting. I'd have mor confidence in having either McAlister, or Bly as the 3rd CB.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Here's an interesting little tidbit from PFT:

"LONGTIME COLTS PUNTER LIKELY LEAVING TOWN
Posted by Mike Florio on February 18, 2009, 8:07 a.m.
The Indianapolis Star reports that the Colts won’t be offering a new contract to punter Hunter Smith.

As a result, his ten-year run with the team most likely will be ending.

“The door isn’t closed for him to return, but they are not going to keep him off the market,” Smith’s agent, Tom Mills, told the Star. “When we chose to void the final year of Hunter’s contract, we certainly knew this was a possibility.”

Smith was a seventh-round draft pick of the Colts in 1999.

The only other punter on the roster is Mike Dragosavich. A few options are available in free agency, but the Colts’ cap problems might force them to look to the draft for help."

Could be helpful to a certain maroon and black team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 18, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

If we got rid of Springs, I wouldn't mind Bly at the vet min. (Although Id rather throw money at Carey, Haye, Canty, etc.) Jason Brown would be gold. But Rogers, Hall, Smoot, Bly, and Tyron would be ok for a year until we draft a CB in 2010 and 2011 to take Smoot and Blys spots.

For once I'd love to make a big FA splash at a position that makes sense.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 18, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like there is a lot more to the release of Bly than is being reported, me thinks...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 18, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I agree with TE. Assuming Rogers and Hall are the starters, one injury and you're looking at Smoot or Tryon starting.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2009 9:26 AM

You know, I was dubious about Tryon but after zjfr2 and TheCork were up here praising him yesterday, I'm starting to think he might be pushing Hall and Rogers for a starting position.

Like they said, "It's amazing how much progress a man can make with a year of NFL coaching. You don't want to be too hasty judging your fourth round draft picks because they can turn our great."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 18, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

daydreaming, but if they somehow managed to bring in Canty, and JBrown, that would really improve the outlook for this team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 18, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Rogers and Hall are a good solid 1-2 if we cut Springs. Young, both have different strengths and weaknesses, and will be a pick your poison for a lot of QB's. They can throw at Rogers who does a great job of coverage and staying on a WR's hip. Or they can throw at Hall who takes more risks for the INT. Smoots a top nickel at this point and we have great Safeties. So yes DB is a position of strength.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 18, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

So yes DB is a position of strength.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 18, 2009 9:37 AM

And when did we sign Hall to a contract? I must have missed that one.

And Smoot is "a top nickel?" The Smoot I saw last year wasn't even a top penny.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 18, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't see Canty coming here. For what I have been reading, he's the highest rate 3-4 DE available in FA, and Parcells is a big fan of his.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I would just like SOMETHING to happen. FA is 9 days away, guys are being cut, etc. etc. Nothing from us.

In my opinion, we need AT LEAST THREE new impact players this season - whether its thru FA, #13, or trade-down, whatever. I'd love to have two new O-lineman and a new D-lineman as well by sept. 09.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 18, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I am confidant the team will resign Hall. Despite their retiredness in most aspects of GMing they will.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 18, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

twis, Parcells just spend 2 draft picks on DE types, I can't see him dropping large coin on bringing Canty in as well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 18, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I am confidant the team will resign Hall. Despite their retiredness in most aspects of GMing they will.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 18, 2009 9:50 AM

Alex, I think they're trying, but Hall wants a bigger payday than the Redskins offer and is said to be looking to hit the open market. His re-signing is a case of "Don't count your chickens before they hatch."

But you're sticking with Smoot as "a top nickle" even after the way he played last year?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 18, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"Do you think CB is our strongest position? Who do we have? Rogers, who is disgruntled and wants out and Jasno claims is up for trade. Hall who is not under contract. Springs who doesn't play and costs $6 million for not playing. Smoot who's lost it. I see plenty of weakness in this group.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

"Strongest" is a relative term. Yes, there may be weaknesses at CB, but every other position besides safety arguably has more. Rogers, Springs, and Smoot are still an elite trio in this league -- as they showed during the first half of the season, despite the injury concerns to Springs and not having signed Hall yet -- and if the Skins are able to bring back Hall, they would arguably have the best group in the league.

Still, I wouldn't mind seeing Mccalister or Bly picked up for cheap because I want no part of Tryon seeing the field, and having a "strong" group doesn't mean that it can't be improved.

Posted by: psps23 | February 18, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

The only other punter on the roster is Mike Dragosavich.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 18, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I heard that Dragosavich was trying to sell Hunter Smith's roster spot to the highest bidder. Pay for play, as it were.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 18, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I really believe that Danny is licking his chops right now. With all of the waived Veteran FA's on the market, I really do think that Daniel Synder is ready to make a big splash... in the toilet.

Hall gets paid.
Danny signs the Colt's ex Punter.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 18, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I don't think either of those actions could be defined as "The Big Splash" Matt as much as pretty good moves.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 18, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Yes I am sticking with my belief on Smoot.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 18, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Camp,
Right now anything is a splash.
Doesn't the combine start today?

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 18, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Beep beep. Good morning. It's nice to be back.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | February 18, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Rogers, Springs, and Smoot are still an elite trio in this league -- as they showed during the first half of the season

Posted by: psps23 | February 18, 2009 9:57 AM

Ah, the first half of the season. That's when we were 6-2, headed for the Super Bowl and the only argument was whether Campbell or Portis would be the league's MVP.

True, Springs played well in nine games last year. But we still need a backup other than Smoot or Tryon for the other seven, right? And can we really pay Springs $6 million next year for just nine games. I know, it's cheap compared to Jason Taylor, but Bly would be a better deal in my opinion. Or, if we can actually sign Hall.... And, if we don't trade Rogers.

And I don't think you can use "elite trio" in the same sentence as the word "Smoot." Isn't that an oxymoron?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 18, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

right now the WP Depth chart for the dolphins lists langford, as one starting DE, and Vonnie Holliday as the other, with Merling, and Randy Starks as the backup DE's. I think ideally Parcells wants Holliday and Merling to hopefully flip-flop this offseason, with Merling jumping into the starting role. I can't see Parcells going after Canty based on who he drafted last year.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 18, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

'...WE NEED LINE HELP!...'

That's what the draft is for.

Bringing in either Bly or McCalister allows the team to show Springs the front door while taking his salary off the books.

The Redskins secondary, while strong, has age in two players--Smoot/Springs-- that makes them vulnerable should Rogers get hurt--and remember, the team hasn't signed Hall and he may want to go to team ready for a play off run next season, something the skins can't guarantee about right now.

Cut Springs, use the money to get Hall and Bly in the fold.

The draft is for lineman: that's where the future is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 18, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Smoot smoot

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 18, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

'...I can't see Parcells going after Canty based on who he drafted last year....'

I can see Parcells making the dolphins a top team.

I can also see Parcells letting rt V Carey walk out the door.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 18, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

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