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Fassel, Ryan and Zorn

All of my reporting leads to this trio topping the coaching staff. They have yet to finalize deals but are the top choices for the positions and league sources said the Redskins would like to announce the coaching moves en masse, rather than individually, and that could happen tomorrow.

Jim Fassel is expected to be named head coach, and the hold-up is negotiations with the Ravens regarding Rex Ryan. As I previously reported, contrary to other reports, the Ravens retain Ryan's coordinator rights and can block a lateral move. They appear to be doing that. The sides may reach an agreement, but Ravens ownership badly wants to keep Ryan, who the players love. Fassel and Ryan spoke as recently as last night sources said and Ryan interviewed with Snyder Sunday night, according to sources.

Zorn, as we were the first to report, interviewed for the offensive coordinator job. He is set to depart around 5:40 and if all goes well he would be the leading candidate to replace Al Saunders (with whatever fancy title they want to use).

Everyone is waiting to hammer the contract details out but barring a last second change of heart, disaster, whatever, this is how it's shaping up.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 23, 2008; 4:30 PM ET
 
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Comments

First...but WTEM had this 15 minutes ago.

Posted by: tkozikow | January 23, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

F this.

Posted by: WrongDog | January 23, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

A total embarassment

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

SAD SAD DAY

Posted by: jklaw | January 23, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

My meatloaf just burnt

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

So, what's Dan Synder; A Giant Douche or A Turd Sandwich?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 23, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

*UCK THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: redryan400 | January 23, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

almost makes you want to be a giants fan... their organization stuck with its coach through thick and thin.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 23, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Earn my respect. I'll root for the team cause they are my team, but I want to see something.

Not thrilled, and stopping by Staples today for some more clipboards....

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | January 23, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Who's worse; Peter Angelos or Dan Snyder?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 23, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I want to smash my bean pie in Danny's face!

Posted by: redryan400 | January 23, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

complete JOKE!

Posted by: gowen | January 23, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Why can't Snyder spend more time on his Six Flags park rides and quit blowing up the Skins every few years just for his kicks? Seriously, WTF?!?

Posted by: david | January 23, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Giant Douche....obviously.

Posted by: ralstondan | January 23, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

prediction - look for vinnie to give a number 2 to the ravens for ryan

Posted by: bestmick1 | January 23, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

A Turd Sandwich. At least a Giant Douche is hygienic.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Please save Olivetti!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"almost makes you want to be a giants fan... their organization stuck with its coach through thick and thin"

Um. Tell that to Fassel. He was gone one year removed from a Super Bowl appearance. Coughlin would have been gone if the Skins hadn't collapsed in Week 3.

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 23, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Number 2 is right.

Posted by: Skinz | January 23, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

If Fassel is a one year placeholder until Cowher becomes available a year from now, why not simply keep GG? Would it be that hard for Vinnie and Gregg to get along? Seriously, I would love to be a fly on the wall at the Senior Bowl as the management and coaching staff from REAL football teams snicker at the joke that the Redskins have become.

Posted by: tkozikow | January 23, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I guess the meaning of stability has changed. I thought it meant keeping most of the same guys. Apparently it means wiping out the entire coaching staff and starting over. REAL STABLE SNYDER!!

Posted by: jdixon35 | January 23, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

HELL to the Redskins!

disaster is right Jla

Posted by: kenneth920 | January 23, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I am not totally upset by this. I will be if we give the Ravens any draft picks!!!! I thought the Ravens were going to hire Rivera from San Diego. How does that affect this situation?

Posted by: billhildebrandt | January 23, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

yep, not only are they screwing us on the coaches, but they're going to give away a draft pick to get ryan as well. the entire gibbs reign was a waste and a lie. snyder hasn't grown at all. this is an infant with money. so ridiculous. you think a lot of these players with huge contracts are going to want to renegotiate now?

Posted by: vjr9r | January 23, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

good grief i cant root for the giants. i cant root for the pats! the superbowl is meaningless.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 23, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder's definition of "stability" is meaningless.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 23, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

*******************************************
Who's worse; Peter Angelos or Dan Snyder?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 23, 2008 04:37 PM
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I think a better analogy is, who's worse: Dan Snyder or George Lucas? They both raped my childhood.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 23, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

So will the cherry on top be the skins giving Baltimore our first round pick for Ryan?

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 23, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

It's 2003 all over again.

Posted by: jvass | January 23, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

To quote Barno, "Wow...just...wow"

I am someone who was never that hard on Snyder - he is first a fan and has made some "fan decisions" and not "owner decisions" in the past, in my opinion.

But right now, I am pissed - I think I feel betrayed by his whole continuity thing and while perhaps he has had the chance to step back from the emotions that go with this season and Gibbs' abrupt departure and make a strategic and the best move for the team, I just feel like his comments at the presser 2 weeks ago were nothing but lies and BS - it would have been best to say nothing - then I would not feel like I was being lied to - that and this secrecy crap makes it worse.

That said, I have been a fan since birth and am going into my second season with tickets, so I will stick by my team and weather the storm, as I did through Norv and Marty and Spurrier, and hope, hope, hope for the best.

Posted by: suzannepdc | January 23, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm done with the Skins. At least I'll get to play more golf on Sundays now, and the courses are less crowded (maybe not for long).

Posted by: jj250 | January 23, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????? Stability my ASS!

Posted by: herb | January 23, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

So Rob Ryan is the hold up? And there are no OTHER defensive coordinator possibilities out there (that don't require draft choices?)?

Also, the Ryan boy from Oakland is the pirate, right? The Ravens one is just sort of big in the middle, right?

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I just don't get what Rex Ryan has in it for him to just become a d coordinator for another team.

I feel real bad for GG, but I also have to wonder how he could not get this job, he must have really not tried to get along very hard with Vinny.

Posted by: Jwolff03 | January 23, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Continuity: An uninterrupted succession or flow.

Dan was being truthful, what we are getting is continuity; we assumed he meant continuity with the Gibbs approach. After that brief interlude, we now return you to our uninterrupted succession of revolving door head coaches and continuous changes in direction.

Posted by: carver9 | January 23, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

If this is true we'd better start a suicide watch for Barno....

He's really stuck his neck out in his self-appointed role of "defender of 'Mr' Snyder ".

Posted by: Redcoat | January 23, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The pick to the Ravens will be the straw that broke the camels back for me. Thats just being stupid, and going back to the year 2000.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 23, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I HATE SNYDER

This is a sad day so much for any kind of continuity.

Posted by: SAK2 | January 23, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

This could go down as one of the absolute worst things the Danny has ever orchestrated...easily trumping the Jeff George debacle.

To blow up the nucleus of a great team in the making for Jim fing Fassel? Gibbs laid a strong foundation, the blueprint for success was in place and Synder burned the whole thing down in three weeks. Pathetic.

Posted by: jeffhayes | January 23, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure which is making my stomach turn more...

1. My Apple stock results today
2. The thought of this new coaching staff

Posted by: isnadd | January 23, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Vinny will trade the 1st or 2nd for Ryan, maybe both picks! What a disaster! F U SNYDER, SELL THE TEAM!!!!!!

Posted by: redryan400 | January 23, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I'll believe it when I see it...

Posted by: barno | January 23, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Jack Kent Cook is probably turning in his grave. What have we become?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 23, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

INSTEAD of Fassel, Ryan & Zorn! I've got and idea...hell why don't we bring in Vinny for the HC job, hire Tom Cruise as the the DC, and bring in the dancing Six Flags guy as the OC. Since we're already the laughing stock of the NFL it couldn't get any worse and at least it would be funny as hell!

This is complete BS!!!!

Posted by: mamarsha34 | January 23, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

So is Grilliams out of a job after coaching the D to a top ten finish three of four years? Wow, that's all I got to say.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 23, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I am at a loss. What is Snyder thinking? What is Gibbs saying to him? Is Snyder simply not listening to Gibbs' advice?

I'm so confused!

Posted by: psummers | January 23, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is a liar....this is a sham and travesty.

How could Gibbs stand by and watch this happen to a team he developed and made stable??????

Anyone else want to join me in picketing Redskins Park?

Posted by: Lisa | January 23, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

So does this mean no more talk of meatloaf or pie?

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskin's are expected to name Jim Fassil as their 27th Head Coach, with Jim Zorn as the new Offensive Coordinator. The Redskins and Ravens have agreed on the terms of a deal to allow the Redskins to hire Rex Ryan as the Defensive Coordinator, with the Redskins sending the Raven's the Redskin's 2nd round draft pick in 2008 and their 1st and 3rd round draft picks in 2009.

John Harbaugh, the Ravens new Head Coach, is expected to offer the now vacant Defensive Coordinator job to Gregg Williams."

Okay - not a real press release, but would anyone be surprised if it was?

First Day Picks? We don't need no stinkin first day picks . . .

Posted by: RedBee | January 23, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Is it possible that we trade Receiver, The for the DC from baltimore that would be a good deal

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 23, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

There is going to be more changes on the offense as the new regime runs the west coast. Ryan runs the same D as Williams

Posted by: mdvj | January 23, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

And now the Redskins fans will suffer the same fate as the Six Flags shareholders.

Posted by: jklaw | January 23, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

We just better not F away any draft picks for Rex Ryan.... Dan you've got the money to give them... Just don't screw away anymore picks....

I will F'n scream...

Apparently GG is his backup plan if this doesn't all workout. If he's so sold on Fassel as the HC why not announce him and figure out the rest later....

Is this the new way you hire a HC...

First Jerry Jones and now Danny trying to hir the complete package at once...

Posted by: EinVB | January 23, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

continuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuitycontinuity.

Because as we all know, we MUST continue producing nothing! God for bid we try new faces, they should have stayed with the exact same staff that got them a so - so record! Oh wait take away a hall of fame coach so we woudl have won maybe 5 games!

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

If the Ravens won't release Ryan, would they consider trading him for Williams?

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

nanu, nanu.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

This is all a giant Scientology plot orchestrated by Tom Cruise. Fassel is really an alien.

Posted by: COskins | January 23, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait to see Joe's statement in response to these hirings, if they are indeed true. Will he sell Snyder out or sell out GG? If Snyder actually had Gibbs believing all the hogwash at his presser, Gibbs should be embarrassed to remain part of the organization-especially as a specail consultant to Danny.

Posted by: NCICURN | January 23, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I think I am crying...

Posted by: SmallPen15 | January 23, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"I think a better analogy is, who's worse: Dan Snyder or George Lucas? They both raped my childhood."

Love this post, I think sumz up my feelings as well...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

If we have to get a Ryan, let's get Rob! When faced with a choice between a pirate or his brother, always choose the pirate.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 23, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskin's are expected to name Jim Fassil as their 27th Head Coach, with Jim Zorn as the new Offensive Coordinator. The Redskins and Ravens have agreed on the terms of a deal to allow the Redskins to hire Rex Ryan as the Defensive Coordinator, with the Redskins sending the Raven's the Redskin's 2nd round draft pick in 2008 and their 1st and 3rd round draft picks in 2009.

John Harbaugh, the Ravens new Head Coach, is expected to offer the now vacant Defensive Coordinator job to Gregg Williams."

Okay - not a real press release, but would anyone be surprised if it was?

First Day Picks? We don't need no stinkin first day picks . . .

Posted by: Levinems | January 23, 2008 04:45 PM

I would be surprised, considering its dumb as hell.

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

barno put your pride down, bendover and let go of your dream!!

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Snyder should trade 25 TCCL for ryan. If we give up a draft pick for a coach ill be jumping on some teams bandwagon just to have some happiness next year. F this

Posted by: dave197391 | January 23, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

actually, the only positive here is to hear what Joe Gibbs has to say.

Jason, I expect you to track down Gibbs like a fat woman looking for a Krispy Kreme and get his take on the "post Gibbs" era.

Also, I can't wait to hear what the players have to say....

Posted by: isnadd | January 23, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I have been a life long fan and a ticket holder for 5 years. If Snyder goes through with this, I think I will stay a fan, but give up the tickets and not purchace any additional Redskins related merch for a long time. I thought Snyder had grown up a little...

Posted by: kjhealey | January 23, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Oh well. Look on the bright side, at least Barno was wrong. Again.

Posted by: mack1 | January 23, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why everyone is getting upset, after all, management has a plan and they know what they're doing

Posted by: WalkTheLine | January 23, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Alrighty, now comes the PR and spin part. Let's write the Rude Q&A for this announcement...

Q: You spoke previously about maintaining continuity, yet you've replaced the top three coaches on the team. What changed over the last two weeks?

Q: What about Jim Fassel was attractive to you in selecting him over the other candidates?

Q: What are your expectations for the team next season?

Q: Are you worried that asking Jason Campbell to learn his third NFL system in four seasons could possibly stunt his growth into an elite quarterback?

Q: You're faced with some tough personnel decisions on offense, with an aging and injured offensive line and several role players coming off injury riddled seasons. Are there any specific areas on offense that you'd prefer to focus as you enter this season?

Q: Conversely, on defense, you've developed several younger players over the last four years, but two important ones, Rocky McIntosh and Carlos Rogers, are coming off serious knee injuries. With history suggesting that most players don't fully recover from such injuries for 18 months, how will you approach personnel decisions on defense?

Q: Are Johnny Rockets Chili Cheese Fries truly the best thing on the planet?

Posted by: PDiddy | January 23, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

By continuity he meant continously poor decision making

Posted by: jklaw | January 23, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Your an idiot, Ryan does not run the same defense. It is a completely different scheme. Which we need are draft picks for and a lot of time to learn.

Posted by: billhildebrandt | January 23, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

will the Skins have to give up a pick to get Rex Ryan? Will Fassel be able to keep the locker room together? Is Zorn the right guy to help Campbell develop?

These are just some of the questions that I will no longer care about if this rumor proves to be true

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

So we're going West Coast offense and a 3/4 defense. A total overhaul indeed! Maybe Danny Boy is getting the team setup for Cowher's return to coaching next year.

Posted by: isonic1 | January 23, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I have been a life long fan and a ticket holder for 5 years. If Snyder goes through with this, I think I will stay a fan, but give up the tickets and not purchace any additional Redskins related merch for a long time. I thought Snyder had grown up a little...

Posted by: kjhealey | January 23, 2008 04:48 PM

Why is this not grown up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because he didn't do what you (someone that knows nothing about football) wants?!?!?!?!?

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

My earlier message was not serious, but said in jest. My sarcasm tags were left out.

Posted by: WalkTheLine | January 23, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

well i suppose the one good thing to come of this, will be that they will start building through the draft -- because NO FREE AGENT IN THEIR RIGHT MIND will want to work for Peter Angelos....err...I mean Dan Snyder...who will do whatever it takes to maintain CONTROL.....not stability. this is BS. I'm letting my season tickets go, he's made me hate my childhood obsession for so many overpriced reasons, but this is too far!

Posted by: mrhanki9 | January 23, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Somebody please wake me, I had a horrible dream that Jim Fassell was going to be named head coach....

Posted by: tdskinz | January 23, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Good players are good players 3-4 or 4-3. If you can't learn get off the field.

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

As they say here at MSG in New York

Ladies & Gentlemen:

Your 2008 NEW YORK KNICKS!!!!

(it's bad enough I have the real Knicks to deal with)

Posted by: jwruble | January 23, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

i hope gg has that million dollar clause in his contract and takes every single penny.

Posted by: aibrahim2k2 | January 23, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

maybe we will finally get a 3-4 going and update our defense to this century. Almost every good team in the NFL runs a 3-4 now.

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

sams3 - sarcasm, its called sarcasm.

Posted by: RedBee | January 23, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

It's time to harness the power of jasno's blog and flood the Redskins with angry emails. Will it change anything? No, but it might make you feel better. I just fired off a beauty of an anti-Snyder rant and I actually feel a little better up here. Come on folks, give it shot. Let the voices of the fans be heard!

http://www.redskins.com/fanzone/emailredskins.jsp

Posted by: herb | January 23, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Ryan is a good football guy. In 2 years he will be a head coach. He is that good. Zorn is a good offensive guy. Fasell is suspect. Sean Payton was the play caller for the Giants. I dont get this. If Greg Williams got the job with Zorn that would be a good duo. And so would Zorn And Ryan and we are a 3-4 if this happens.
But Fassel did go to the Super bowl. This is a Vinny Hire!

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 23, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I called it first:

Let's not overestimate Vinnie. There's no reason he couldn't throw a few draft picks Baltimore's way to pry loose Rex Ryan.

Posted by: carver9 | January 23, 2008 11:04 AM

Posted by: carver9 | January 23, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

This was not a team on the verge of greatness this was an OK team with alot of high priced veterans. Nothing Willams has done should make any of you think this team would be any better next year with him as coach and now we no AS would be gone no matter who got the job so JC would be learning a new offense anyway. The last 4 years have not been that great so why continue you remember we were not that good after we went to the playoffs last time (6-10) the next year.

Posted by: kmdp4 | January 23, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

5-11

Posted by: eleysium | January 23, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

looks like i just ate a sh!t sandwich for dinner. Guess I'll have some crying-in-my-cornflakes pie for desert.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 23, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

sams3, good players are still good players but a good player in a 3-4 may only be an average player in a 4-3 due to different skill sets and responsibilities. Schemes mean a lot and the schemes have to fit the players.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Barring a disaster? Brother, this is a disaster!

Posted by: JediBrett | January 23, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Good players are good players 3-4 or 4-3. If you can't learn get off the field.

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 04:51 PM

I guess that means Andre Carter isn't a good player then. I think you'll find he tried 3-4 and stunk in it which is why he wanted out of SF....

Posted by: Redcoat | January 23, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Why is this not grown up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because he didn't do what you (someone that knows nothing about football) wants?!?!?!?!?

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 04:49 PM

What makes snyder know more about football than anybody here? Did he play in college? Was he riding the bench in the NFL? Did he study under Bill Walsh?

Or is it because he was able to purchase the most expensive toy all of us fantasize about having? Sorry, but just because he owns the redskins doesn't make him know more about football than anyone else here.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

What a joke. This hurts, sucks, and why would anyone renew their season tickets...

Posted by: mmeeskins | January 23, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

This team has become a complete waste of my time.

Completely overhauling a playoff team's coaching staff? Are you kidding me? How many coaches has SOUP had now?

Snyder is a laughingstock and he's turned the team into one as well.

HATE SNYDER.

Posted by: jcarter999 | January 23, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I actually like Rex Ryan but he aint worth giving up picks for. No coach is. It aint like there's a dearth of good coaches out there anyway.

I gotta thank Jasno for giving us this news in peices and dragging this out. Because I might have choked on my own vomit had this been a "Joe Gibbs" surprise. At least this way we got prepared for the news over a couple days time.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

folks forget about snyder for a minute let me tell you this much if Jack Kent Cooke made up a will to include the skins to his sun John and left him better financially this team would have never been on sale in the first place and we would have Never heard of Dan Snyder bottom line is that when Jack Kent Cooke died back in 97 my guess is that he didn't see his son john as much of a owner to carry the Cooke Family tradition to bring a winning team and if the person who tried to buy the skins before Snyder was set up better financially the skins wouldn't be in this mess.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | January 23, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

folks forget about snyder for a minute let me tell you this much if Jack Kent Cooke made up a will to include the skins to his sun John and left him better financially this team would have never been on sale in the first place and we would have Never heard of Dan Snyder bottom line is that when Jack Kent Cooke died back in 97 my guess is that he didn't see his son john as much of a owner to carry the Cooke Family tradition to bring a winning team and if the person who tried to buy the skins before Snyder was set up better financially the skins wouldn't be in this mess.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | January 23, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

and I thought I'd have an interesting off-season trying to see how the Philly head coaching job situation was going to play out

this saga just gets weirder and weirder

Adam

Posted by: argh | January 23, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they can't work with GWilliams. Fine. I get that. But why Fassel? I'm hoping it will work out, I really am. But why him? What's wrong with some of the up-and-coming coordinators?

I don't get it.

Snyder doesn't have a clue and he's acting like a spoiled child by going back to his pick before Gibbs, as if Gibbs hadn't been there.

Posted by: lordtwang | January 23, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

This is a travesty. Is there any way to successfully conduct a mutiny? Snyder has no sense of public relations, not to mention long-term strategic vision. He has a successful, playoff-tested coaching staff and roster, yet he is willing, even in the face of extreme public and fan opposition, to blow it all up and literally patch together a staff that has not cohesion, history, or commonality. He needs to read this blog, every thread and every entry. What a nightmare for this team and its loyal fans.

Posted by: quinnskins | January 23, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I always thought Dan was short for Daniel. Now I think it's short for DAngelos.

Posted by: carver9 | January 23, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Sween and other pie lovers, here is a movie to see. Lots of pies: The Waitress.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0473308/

Posted by: Markin21132 | January 23, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Levinems, i understand it was an attempt at a joke. However, it's no longer funny when you take the hyperbole to level ten instead of level five which would have made it almost amusing.

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Come on, have some faith in Vinny. He was the one after all who described Trung Canidate as a "real home run hitter."

Posted by: david | January 23, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Because as we all know, we MUST continue producing nothing! God for bid we try new faces, they should have stayed with the exact same staff that got them a so - so record! Oh wait take away a hall of fame coach so we woudl have won maybe 5 games!

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 04:46 PM

I am with you sams3. We have been a decent team the last couple of years and played soem really exciting games but what makes any of us think that Flapjacks had the plan to take us over the top from decent to good. I am not defending either but I do believe that some new faces are a good thing. Let me make this clear it can't be a win now situation they must look at the long term side of things.

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 23, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

KJ, vote with your feet. I think a lot of ticket holders will also.

Its your hard earned money. If you don't respect the team/owner, don't give him the $$$.

Its not about growing up, Sams3 -- its about doing what you feel is right.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Jim Fassel? Blech!

Posted by: taupecat | January 23, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I am very sad today, and I feel betrayed by the organization that I fell in love with as a child. Things will never change with Dan as the head, and it's very sad that he did not learn anything at all from such a great man and coach as Joe Gibbs. Some of you on here are joking that Tom Cruise should be the new coach, but in all seriousness I don't know how we as fans can stand by and let a scientologist (either actually, or in the making by the looks of things) run our beloved Redskins. I wish there was something we could do!

Posted by: amychris74 | January 23, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Glass is still half full Skins Nation...new coach, new era...why not improve on mediocrity? Continuity is great...if you're continuing greatness, which we haven't been in 15 years. Who knows what is to come? The players will follow suit soon enough, they get paid to.

Posted by: P00P | January 23, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Pie rocks! I'm still going to get pie and ice cream on the way home. Unfortunately, I've been overridden in my choice for dinner. We are having chinese per the orders of my 3 yr old son. My wife and I are well aware of who runs our house.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much overcome by events now, but here is the link I was asked for earlier:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234813&page=3&pp=15

Posted by: Burgundy | January 23, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Get a grip. Everybody acts like its life and death. Fassel is a terrific coach, and will probably be pretty good for the team. He's going to have to make a lot of compromises anyway -- with the salary cap situation in DC, there's only so much he can blow the roster up (or else he'd have to have 12 undrafted rookies on the team). Plus, look on the bright side -- even if they give up some high picks for Ryan, Snyder would probably blow them anyway.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | January 23, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Good point p00p. That is all I can hope for!

Posted by: SmallPen15 | January 23, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse


I can picture it now, Lil Danny Snyder, pushing down the lever on the ceremonial explosion detonator as the Team Joe Gibbs 2.0 built crumbles to the ground.

THE NAME ASHBURN HAS NEVER BEEN SO FITTING.

BURNED TO THE GROUND.

Posted by: the_squire | January 23, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I have to reserve judgement until I see what happens. Not that my opinion counts, but I am fine with this move if:

#1: We don't lose anymore than Brandon Lloyd or a 6th round draft pick for Rex Ryan.

#2: Fossil doesn't play that Conservative game he played when we used to kick the hell out of the Giants year in and year out.

#3: We don't have a free spending, overpriced free agency spree like pre-Gibbs 2.

Bottom line, our offense is in a much better position than Baltimore's when Fossil had his stint there. Ryan is a bad A$$ offensive Coordinator. I think give it some time, and this may be a good move.

Posted by: kmckinty | January 23, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

If the Ravens are demanding picks for Ryan then Snyder should just step back and find another DC. Ron Rivera's already been mentioned as someone out there who's qualified. He's a position coach so going to DC would not be a lateral move. I can live with the coaching changes (for the time being) but a return to throwing away draft choices just pisses me off.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 23, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Hawkeye, you are a smart man. If it took the death of a teamate and every trick a hall of fame coach knew to motivate these playoff runs what makes anyone believe man tats could come close to doing this?

It's not like the skins were sitting pretty every year. They had to fight and claw for a spot in both playoff appearacnes.

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Daniel Snyder is the anti-Christ and Vinny Cerrato is his bit'che boy!! This four foot tall punk should be thrown out of DC. Sadly, he has destroyed a once proud franchise, for what, a coach that LOST one freaking Superbowl? Bill Callahan lost one too, why wasn't he interviewed? FASSEL COULDN'T EVEN GET THE OC JOB IN KC. Just think, if Marty was never fired, Vinny "Lap Dog" Cerrato would still be working at the DQ.

Posted by: duh2mag | January 23, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Ryan is a bad A$$ offensive Coordinator.

Posted by: kmckinty | January 23, 2008 04:59 PM

I meant Defensive Coordinator... Stupid Me.

Posted by: kmckinty | January 23, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

It's time for a fan's mutiny! Stop going to the games or buying any merchandise until this stupid AHole sells our beloved Redskins!

Posted by: jimwell | January 23, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I have the rankings wrong, but is there any word on how many draft picks it's going to cost to dump the DC of the 6th ranked defense to hire the DC of the 9th ranked defense?

Posted by: mack1 | January 23, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

J Cambell to Bmore for Ryan and Zorn comes in as a lefty OC to bring Brunell back up to speed. Way to go Snyda.

Posted by: steviej1964 | January 23, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh man, I can't wait until George Michael asks Mr. Snyder the really tough questions about continuity in their next interview! Oh...umm yeah...nevermind.

Posted by: curtmcgurt | January 23, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"it is my party, and you can cry if you want to" - Snyder.

I say. Yes it is. I have no choice but to put up with you me Lord. Although, I do wish you could take your team and join your buddy Gibbs out of town.


Posted by: opita | January 23, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

On the plus side, think of all the trees that will be saved by not having to print out 700 pages for every offensive player and coach.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 23, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I just shat my pants. Does anyone know if those Tide stain remover pens work or do I need to go home for the day?

Posted by: isnadd | January 23, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Jasno - If fassel is hired as HC you have to write an article dedicatde to the fans reaction. When/If this happens there will be more animosity and down right hatred toward Snyder than there ever has been (and that is a hard feat to accomplish given how incompetent he has been as an owner).

Youa re the voive of alot of fans so do this for us!!! We need to finally be heard on more than a message board!!!!!

UUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Posted by: dcd | January 23, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

5-11

Posted by: eleysium | January 23, 2008 04:52 PM

a little high on the left hand column dont you think

Posted by: SAK2 | January 23, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey, maybe the Ravens will take the wide receiver and Mark Brunell for Ryan. Or maybe they'll trade him straight up for Katie Holmes.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | January 23, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

All the players wanted Williams, continuity, blah, blah, blah. I am so thankful the Wizards are doing well and the Caps have turned the corner. Between them and the Nationals I have enough to keep me occupied that I can relegate the Skins to second fiddle. I can't believe it's come to that, but Danny had nothing to lose by giving Williams a chance and he blew it. I hope he hears the laughter of the rest of the league. The players will, and how does an organization expect to win when that happens?

Posted by: larjan2004 | January 23, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

In all seriousness, I don't think Snyder realizes the backlash he's about to face. I have NEVER seen this many megative posts about anything he's ever done ... not Jeff George, not Deion ... nothing! Sad thing is, Joe Gibbs wasted 4 years of his life trying to show this idiot the ropes. Joe, thanks for what you did ... even though our record wasn't great in your second go-around, we were a respected franchise again for 4 years. We may never see that again with Mr. Johnny Rockets in charge.

Posted by: jj250 | January 23, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Everyone relax...this may not be the worst thing ever, lets dissect this:

D: Rex Ryan is as good a defensive coach as Gregg Williams, and while I love Gregg and think he absolutely deserves a chance to be the head coach, on D I think this is a push

O: Many scouts have said that Al Saunders offense does not bring out JC's best strengths (e.g. Strong arm and athleticism)...Fassel has a great history with QBs (John Elway and Phil Simms) and Zorn has done extremely well with Hassleback..this could work out for the better on O

Team: This year was like no other year ever for an NFL team, and they rallied around a great set of coaches, but now that it is a new year, moving on may be what's best for the team, fresh faces, ideas, and most importantly not dwelling on the past and trying to match last season's emotion

this is all assuming we dont give up a pick for rex ryan....

Posted by: 06bbl | January 23, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I hate Dan Snyder. He has ruined this franchise. We will never be a consistent winner with him owning the team. He refuses to hire a GM and acknowledge that Vinny Cerrato is an incompetent, bug-eyed loser. Jim Fassel? Are you kidding?

Posted by: jknobla | January 23, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Why did Lucas rape your childhood? I am very interested in knowing. He took too long to come out wit hthe prequels?

Also....

STOP THE MADNESS! STOP THE MADNESS....

I still have a hold of the Williams ship. If Williams is thrown form the Plank, we still have Blache and Gray who run the same exact defense. So, we win regardless. I would feel bad for Williams though. He appeared to love those guys on defense. Especially Sean Taylor....

STOP THE MADNESS.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 23, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Gah...I hope that SNYDER comes to his senses and chooses to keep Williams....

Granted we were going to have offensive changes because I didn't really expect those loyal to Gibbs to stay but this whole blowup of the organization with a Jim Fassel.....

Snyder likes Sexy...how the hell is Fassel sexy??

CHOOSE STABILITY FOR CHRISSAKES!!! Give Williams a chance!!!

Give Campbell some friggin' stability!!!

Posted by: goosedude | January 23, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Is this the first step in Danny hiring a new coach in 2010?

Posted by: rev_ollie | January 23, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs, Williams, and Saunders out.

Fassel, Ryan, and Zorn in.

Enter Svrluga.

Posted by: JohninMpls | January 23, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

So much for the Glory of Rome...

FOSSIL got FIRED as offensive coordinator last year. WAFJ. You suck Danny and Vinny.

Posted by: zap123 | January 23, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

This is a disaster in the making bigger than the Titanic...get ready for more mediocrity. :(

Posted by: wlbai | January 23, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Isnadd, you can go home or stay, it does not matter, it still smells the same. LOL

Posted by: opita | January 23, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

The Skins made the playoffs twice in the last 3 seasons. Which is as much success as Danny has had in his entire tenure.

And it was a team that was respected. For the ONLY time in Snyder's tenure.

So he takes the best thing he has ever had and blows it up to get Jim Fassel !!!!!!! What a crock.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

All I can say is why? Just when everything starts to come together we blow it up.. If there is one thing an emerging QB needs is stability. Do you think bringing in a new O-Coordinator is going to help Campbell's development? I just lost a lot of respect for Dan Snyder.

Posted by: GetOffTheComputerMom | January 23, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

4-12 AT BEST :(

Posted by: Gltek01 | January 23, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Fassel is a good coach

Posted by: lilbits630 | January 23, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

No word yet on how Tom Cruise is going to take the news. Zorn might be a little to close to Xenu for him to be comfortable.

Ah, Scientology. So many fish, such a small barrel.

Posted by: JohninMpls | January 23, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams, Rex Ryan, and the Pirate are from the same coaching tree - Buddy Ryan.

Posted by: Markin21132 | January 23, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Lucas raped our childhoods because the prequels sucked. Not that the Ewoks will go down in history as the greatest possible choice, mind you. The prequels had a really good shot at being great. But like "Mr." Snyder's tenure in charge of the 'Skins, Lucas took something that should be pretty simple (the father/son and path to darkness story arcs) and completely F'ed it up.

I do like Jim Zorn, though. He's a great guy, and it's awesome to see him get a shot at the big time. Totally class act. Folks in DC are going to love him.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 23, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

This is ridiculous! I can't imagine a single Redskins player or fan that is happy about this. Way to go, Danny!

Posted by: Carlton83 | January 23, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs doesn't care what stupid move Snyder makes. He quit so why should he care. Will Snyder have the guts to answer many tough questions on why he blew up the team again. Gibbs got his 20 million for 3 playoff games and is now sitting pretty back at Nascar.

It is tough to be a fan of this team.

Posted by: dhoran60 | January 23, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I hear Arena Stage is putting on the Mikado with Campbell, Collins, and Brunell as the 3 little maids from school and Zorn as the executioner. And Vinny as the daughter-in-law elect.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | January 23, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I actually don't mind Zorn and Ryan, I just am not feeling Fassel. Maybe he will make us all believers. ;)

Posted by: tvalado | January 23, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry, we'll all get to lather, rinse, repeat this next season. Same bat-time, same bat-channel.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 23, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Jesus...Why Danny..Why

Posted by: Tyler84101 | January 23, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

an outrage. how . . . in the . . ? . . . can this happen?

i'm glad i was able to attend the last game at rfk, which is where the redskins ended. this team and this admin is an embarrasment.

i hope i am wrong.

beachbully

Posted by: lstallings7 | January 23, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

NEW TEAM WANTED

Wanted: New NFL Team to cheer for. Long Term Relationship Wanted or until Dan Snyder dies or sells the team.

This Owner does not know the fans of the Redskins......

Now would be a good time to changed the name of the team I suspect a few fans will leave so it will no longer be the Redskins. Instead from now on the team in Washington will be know as the Dannies

Posted by: redskins1 | January 23, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I've dome 40+ years as a total fan. Its been the only 'addiction' I had my entire life. And yet, it just seems like it won't be that hard to walk away.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Hope all the KoolAide Brigades show up to put a spin on this abject humiliation of the players, coaches and fans.

Posted by: i155133 | January 23, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

At first I was completely against this completely. The more I think about it, the more I am okay with it. I think that the offense over the last few years has been a weak point. We have not utilized our talent the way we should. Portis is not a 3.6 ypc back and if they can better utilize him, it will no doubt open up the passing game. As for the defense, same story...we HAVE NOT utilized our talent. Sean Taylor (RIP) was not fully utilized until this season and look how that turned out. Rocky last season sitting the bench while Holdmand played? As for continuity, I remember thinking over the last few years that this is the most inconsistent team in the NFL. Maybe keeping the coaches and systems that produced such incosistency would have been a mistake. I know continuity was the key word of the press conference, but player have to play. I don't believe that the players in New England would have a say in any of their processes. I'm not a Snyder apologist, but I don't think this is the worst thing that could happen.

Posted by: rbruce | January 23, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Of course if anybody was really serious about their dislike of Dan Snyder they would turn off their TV's, radios and stop going to games. As long as the 'Skins are profitable, Snyder will continue to treat 'Skins as a source of revenue.

Boycott the 'Skins is the only way to get rid of Snyder's irritating qualities.

Posted by: atidwell | January 23, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Dudes and dudettes - You have missed the obvious. We have TOM CRUISE on our side. The entire power of L. Ron Hubbard's Church is behind us and they're DOERS not talkers and that means we're about to win 10 SUPER BOWLS in 1 year!

(Is it time for us to pie Danny in the face yet?)

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I have reconsidered and think we are being way too hard on Snyder. I mean, look how successful the Orioles have been with Angelos...can't we hope for the same here?

Posted by: isnadd | January 23, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse


Dan Snyder Speaks:

"Fans, I said the word continuity, and well, nothing has changed since I bought this piggy bank. Pretty consistent if you ask me."

True.

Posted by: the_squire | January 23, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Fellow Skins fans and Snyder bashers... I am with you. I do not believe this for one minute, but it appears to be happening... and all I can say is Snyder runs his team like an amusement park.
He's a jerk, pompous and doesn't listen to his team. He's alienated them and he's alienated his fans.
I think if the Skins do not make the playoffs -- and win a game in the playoffs -- then this move will be a travesty and the fan base will trickle away.
I am sick and tired of all of this baby talk around "Campbell's development." We approach this as if he's some science project or something. This is pathetic.
What we had at the end of last year was starting to work. The team liked it and I think Campbell and Collins would have worked well together.

I think Snyder needs to take some of Cruise's anti-depressants!!

Posted by: petefaggen | January 23, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Follow in your fathers footsteps Syder

Posted by: Tyler84101 | January 23, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

beep beep


new coach

Posted by: isnadd | January 23, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

There needs to be more than a boycott since Snyder has years of backlog on the season ticket waiting list. What needs to happen is old fashioned demonstrations everywhere Snyder goes. Heckling, jeering, picketing, loud raucous First Amendment free speech to protest this total debacle.

Posted by: i155133 | January 23, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

BOYCOTT!!!!!

Posted by: amychris74 | January 23, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Not that the Ewoks will go down in history as the greatest possible choice, mind you.

Diddy, I beg to differ. The Ewoks were pretty brilliant. I mean, what foresight they had to have all of those logs already cut and piled, suspended, and so forth, on the off chance that they ever needed to overcome a far superior force with primitive technology.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 23, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

i'm all for a new coaching staff, but not this one. i think the west coast offense is completely wrong for a player like campbell. his best attribute is his down-field arm, and his worst is his short touch passing. west coast is all about his worst ability.

i admit i know little about ryan, because i hate watching the ravens. but if his defenses are anything like when marvin lewis was here, i'd rather pass. i prefer attacking, blitzing defenses, not read & react.

and i am totally not sold on fassel. if ryan was that close to 3 HC jobs, why not give him the job, bring in zorn, and forget fassel. we also wouldn't have to give the ravens anything.

i still would've preferred grimm, mora or schwartz...

Posted by: segastyle | January 23, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

As pissed as I am...I will admit that the RavenHawk is pretty much my second favorite animal to the Liger.

Jokes...Evan the clown sheds a tear.

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | January 23, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if all the NE Patriots fans were saying the same thing when Bill Belichick became coach. So Gregg and Fassel are both retreads. Not necessarily a bad thing. and the offense hasn't been good under AS. and the D has overachieved this year.

but Zorn coming from a West Coast offense team...what implications does that really mean?

Posted by: tenniz | January 23, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"HUNTERSVILLE, N.C., Jan. 22 -- Two weeks after resigning as coach of the Washington Redskins, Joe Gibbs is back in the thick of NASCAR, looking well-rested, rejuvenated and ready, it appears, to throw himself into an arena that's as fiercely competitive as the one he just left." - Washington Post.

So much for family and dying grandson.

"As I've reflected back on it, I think it was perfect timing for me," said Gibbs, whose teams went 31-36 during his second stint, including the playoffs. "Obviously you'd like to finish things in Washington with a championship. But I think we have things going in the right direction, going to the playoffs two of the last three years. I'm excited about the Redskins. They've got a great group there. And hopefully there will be a lot of stability in what happens up there." - WashingtonPost

What a bunch of crap.

Posted by: opita | January 23, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

O: Many scouts have said that Al Saunders offense does not bring out JC's best strengths (e.g. Strong arm and athleticism)...Fassel has a great history with QBs (John Elway and Phil Simms) and Zorn has done extremely well with Hassleback..this could work out for the better on O

Posted by: 06bbl | January 23, 2008 05:03 PM

I agree with this statement fully. I was never convinced that Al's 700 pages did anything for Campbell. I still think that Campbell is the future so now you need to get those new coaches working on a plan that fits what we have already not try to plug people into a plan. Just look at GG he ahd to modifiy the plan for defense so what makes us think that you don't need to do the same thing for the offense. I think that we can still improve and do better. We just need more than next year to see if it works. By the way I agree with you Sams3 there is still a lot of work to be done to make us yearly contenders not end of season pushes to get there but a legit shot at the playoffs and most of that starts with home games in the playoffs.

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 23, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Snyder Sux!!

Posted by: voodoo3 | January 23, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

goosfraba

GOOSFRABA

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I HOPE ARRINGTON BANG'S SNYDER'S WIFE.


...in the butt.

Posted by: the_squire | January 23, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The only way to rebel, is to sell your season tickets, pronto. Eventually, if Snyder's stadium is empty, he will either be forced to change, or sell the team. Don't worry, you'll be able to get tickets again at a later date. The waiting list is a lot shorter than it's ever been. Trust me on this one!

Posted by: mike_coseo | January 23, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

God for bid we try new faces, they should have stayed with the exact same staff that got them a so - so record! Oh wait take away a hall of fame coach so we woudl have won maybe 5 games!

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 04:46 PM

We haven't had stability since Norv Turner. I think the reason so many here want continuity in the coaching is because we played this game of musical coaches before--new blood after new blood after new bloood.... that's not a winning formula!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 23, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

4th please don't tell me your gonna defend the Star Wars prequeuls?!?!?!?!?!?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

A decade ago, I was working for a biz and doing a great job. Had been there since its early days and was very attached to the people and company. Had some nice stock, etc.

Then CEO hires a new SR VP who decides to make a power statement and I'm the target. Two months later, I walked out. The emotional attachment. I left with friendships intact, but the emotional connection to the company had mostly gone.

That is what Danny is doing to my attachment to the Redskins. For whatever reason, I feel he has disrespected me. Apparently, I'm not the only one who feels this way.

I won't be the only one to walk away from this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Gibb's reputation will be tarnished if he continues to make comments about "continuity" in Washington.

He knew the culture and failed. Time to exit rather than grimace through another season. He also had comments to the effect that his family knew football was secondary to racing, which he wanted to keep going as long as possible.

Home is where the heart is.

Posted by: i155133 | January 23, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

This is the worst case scenario-blowing up the entire coaching staff to start over with an older(58) re-tread head coach. I wouldn't have been any happier with Cower, all these guys are the same to me. Older coaches like Fassel and Cower have a system that they will blindly stick to regardless of the strengths and weaknesses of the players already here. This will mean a year of mediocre play, trying to fit square pegs into round holes(just like 2004 Gibbs). That will be followed by an offseason of over-spending in free-agency in an attempt to find players that better fit the new coaches system(please stop me if any of this sounds familier). If the Redskins blow-up the staff to this degree, we will be looking at another multi-year rebuilding process and the 4 years under St. Joe would have been completely pointless. I therefore pledge to keep my tickets(Synder will figure it out or leave someday) and promise not give the Redskins another dollar of my money. This means no jerseys, no hats, no beer or food at the games etc. If enough people protest in this manner, maybe we can get someones attention. (or maybe I just naive)

Posted by: cbulow99 | January 23, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

...and by the way, Norv's record was worse than the the most recent regime, yet we gave him 7 years of stability! His first season (3-13) was worse than Petibon's (4-12).... What makes other people's coaches som much more damn special than our own?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 23, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"Assuming that Saunders and Williams are released by the Redskins, they'll certainly be in demand elsewhere."

You said it JLC! And you know who's NOT in demand???? FASSEL AND ZORN!!! I feel like i'm taking crazy pills...

Posted by: tcerand | January 23, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

NÆ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ Æ O!!!!
That's all I can say.

Posted by: phanhoangthach | January 23, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I bet that jackarse cerrato gives AT LEAST a 1st round PICK to get Ryan from the Ravens...Maybe even a 3rd next year.

Posted by: zap123 | January 23, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

They say the most precious gift is that of time. Tht being so, I guess I should thank Dan Snyder. He has given me 3-4 hours for 16-19 Sundays, and relieved me of the need to incessantly check the internet for Redskins news.

I am done.

Posted by: westme | January 23, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I cannot wait until this time next year to see what you people (who call urselves fans) have to say.

Posted by: lilagram | January 23, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

If Danny give the Ravens any draft pick....even a 5th rounder or whatever for Rex Ryan he's a douche.

Ryan will be interviewing for Head Coaching position with some other team next year...ala marvin "1 year as DC" for Danny Lewis

Posted by: mmz114 | January 23, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

So, Atlanta should make out like a bandit. They can pick up Grilliams or Saunders.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I am still (foolishly) holding out hope that this is but a cruel smokescreen orchestrated by Danny. If and when it turns out to be true, I will vow to finally give up on the 'Skins and not renew my season tickets. But I know that once the draft comes 'round, I will relent and give in again like some poor abused spouse. Such is the plight of a Redskin fan.

Posted by: norkus123 | January 23, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I have nothing left to say. This is a TOTAL DISASTER. Snyder has fully alienated all the fans. I hope he knows he is the laughingstock of the NFL. I honestly dont know what else to say. I feel like somebody just broke my heart

Posted by: SeanTay77 | January 23, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I am going to try my God's honest best to turn in my Club Level seats. I am so tired of financing Danny and Vinny's team. They have run this franchise into the ground.

I will not spend another dime on this god-forsaken team while those two chimps are running the show.

Posted by: zap123 | January 23, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Something tells me there will be a sudden influx of Capitals season ticket holders once the dust settles.

No Sunday ticket for me, and certainly no Sundays wasted watching Washington come up with new ways to give games away.

Posted by: null | January 23, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

This is about respect. The 2007 Redskins earned respect. No other team in the Snyder era has had this level of respect.

If the owner wants to blow it up for a very good reason, I can see that. Jim Fassel is not close to a good reason.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Greg Williams will be named Defensive Coordinator of the Dallas Cowholes.

cosmofla

Posted by: squashmo | January 23, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Looks to me like Danny Boy and his puppet didn't like the fact that Williams wouldn't play their game. Love an owner who hires coaches he gets along with over their fit for the team. Great article at.

www.paulgoespop.typepad.com

Posted by: sportnick9 | January 23, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Snyder and his puppet Vinny have done it this time. I've never seen so many pissed off Redskins fan. Those twits didn't learn ANYTHING from Gibbs. For example, why is SNYDER interviewing for Offensive coordinator? Doesn't the HEAD COACH do that?

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 23, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Those coaches sound OK. I don't know if Greg was the guy. The problem is Vinny and continuity.

He is now the GM and is a proven failer. Fassel is an no worse then Norv we will win next year but after that who knows.

I don't see a superbowl until 2026. We might as well be Caps fans. I though Gibbs had learned Snyder something. If any one out there has a 'condition' you could... no I can't condon thae.

Posted by: mul | January 23, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Even though I don't totally hate this move...

JUST 363 MORE DAYS TILL WE FIRE FOSSIL
AND
HIRE COWHER. LET THE COUNTDOWN BEGIN!!!

Posted by: kmckinty | January 23, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Good players are good players 3-4 or 4-3. If you can't learn get off the field.

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 04:51 PM

Yeah, tell that to Andre Carter and see what he thinks. The only possible decent outcome I see from this is if they still go with Grilliams as head coach and Zorn as OC. Why overhaul the defense when it was one of the best? I'm sorry, I tried to be optimistic, but this sucks.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 23, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Even though I don't totally hate this move...

JUST 363 MORE DAYS TILL WE FIRE FOSSIL
AND
HIRE COWHER. LET THE COUNTDOWN BEGIN!!!

Posted by: kmckinty | January 23, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I honestly thought Dan Snyder had learned somthing. I guess old habits are hard to break. Continuity????????????????????.

Posted by: gibbsna | January 23, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"Assuming that Saunders and Williams are released by the Redskins, they'll certainly be in demand elsewhere."

You said it JLC! And you know who's NOT in demand???? FASSEL AND ZORN!!! I feel like i'm taking crazy pills...

Posted by: tcerand | January 23, 2008 05:21 PM

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Why is the comment above just so plainly obvious to the layman....but seems so complex to Dan Snyder and Cerrato?

Seriously, Snydato...read tcerand's comment. What do you think of when you read those words? Hello, are you there?

Snydato is, pardon me, retarded.

Posted by: the_squire | January 23, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

zap123, if you find out how to turn in your club seats, let me know. I'd like to stick them up Danny Boy's you know what.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 23, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

In all of this sadness there was something pretty funny today.

Jason said "All of my reporting..."

Posted by: isnadd | January 23, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

This "once proud" franchise is an absolute abortion. You can forget building on last season. See you in the playoffs, say, 2020 ?? What happens to gregg, Al and the rest or do we have a 50+ coaching staff? What a joke !

Posted by: aginsburg | January 23, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse


I HOPE ARRINGTON BANG'S SNYDER'S WIFE.


...in the butt.

Posted by: the_squire | January 23, 2008 05:18 PM

lol Very funny post

Posted by: Tyler84101 | January 23, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Vinny, Fassel, Ryan, Zorn, etc. had better do well and soon. The NFC East is going to be a beatch next year with Eli going to the SB and likely gaining uber-confidence, the cowboys coming off a 13-3 season and the eagles with a healthy McNabb. If they don't then the only pie being served around Ashburn may be humble pie.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 23, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Love to watch all you skins fans fill up Danny's pockets. You got a band, you got cheerleaders, you got fat pig transvestites. NY Giants just have a solid organization and play football. Go G-men!

Posted by: mikey4 | January 23, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I am completely...

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

We are the NY Knicks of the NFL. Pathetic

Posted by: poulsene | January 23, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

If Danny give the Ravens any draft pick....even a 5th rounder or whatever for Rex Ryan he's a douche.

Ryan will be interviewing for Head Coaching position with some other team next year...ala marvin "1 year as DC" for Danny Lewis

Posted by: mmz114 | January 23, 2008 05:22 PM


Exactly. Supposedly Dan Snyder is great friends with Biscotti. Lets see how Biscotti handles this.....OH, THAT'S RIGHT. Steve Biscotti won't be handling the compensation for Ryan. That would be handled by their GENERAL MANAGER Ozzie Newsome.

Ozzie Newsome - 1
Vinny Cerrato - 0

Posted by: the_squire | January 23, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Williams in demand? Yeah, folks think about this, we give up a 1st and 2nd for Ryan. Then once Grilliams is bounced he drives right up the road and takes over as DC of the Ravens!!!! Oh, and Baltimore is on the schedule for next year. Is there a way the Skins could end that game with negative points? I promise you Coach WIlliams will try and make it so....

Posted by: csquaredskins | January 23, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I am completely...

Posted by: 4-12 | January 23, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Even though I don't totally hate this move...

JUST 363 MORE DAYS TILL WE FIRE FOSSIL
AND
HIRE COWHER. LET THE COUNTDOWN BEGIN!!!

Posted by: kmckinty | January 23, 2008 05:26 PM

yes then years of hartbrakeing losses until we cheat in the playoffs.

Posted by: mul | January 23, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line we don't know what happened. Maybe GG interviewed himself out of a job. Snyder has direspected no one. He gave GG 4 interviews.
Maybe GG wanted to blow up the offensive roster.
Maybe GG wanted more control over the roster.
Maybe GG didn't have a clue as to who he wanted to run the offense since it seems apparent that AS was out.
Maybe Snyder, after talking with some of the leading candidates throughout the league and having four years of dealing with a HOF FC just felt that GG was a step backward.
Consistency for consistency's sake is a bad move

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 23, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow, some of the reactions on here are over the top! Unbelievable. I'm not a Snyder fan either but will always be a Redskins fan. Let's just wait and see what happens.

Posted by: fgtdr | January 23, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I live in Orlando Fl and i am cancelin the NFL PACKAGE BECAUSE MISTER SNYDER CAN'T BRING A WINNING TEAM.

Posted by: javiermartinez14 | January 23, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Hail!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh well, at least the Caps and Wiz are playing great and pitchers report to Spring Training in a couple weeks. At least Danny Boy can't mess those franchises up.

Posted by: phoco | January 23, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder does not care what the fans think or want. This is his team and he's going to prove it. He knows more than anyone else; so he doesn't have to listen to anyone, including his idol Joe Gibbs. The only way to make his change is to hurt him in his wallet. We need to boycott everything he owns...Redskins, Six Flags, Johnny Rocketts, etc. Don't go to the games. Don't buy the jersey's. Don't give him a dime of our money.

Posted by: Jeb_Brown | January 23, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

On Continuity:

I personally believe that the Snyder/Cerrato are unable to do so
because uh some uh people out there in our Redskins nation don't have maps
and uh I believe that our fans like such as in U.S. America and uh the- the Northwest America everywhere like such as and I believe that they should uh
our Snyder/Cerrato over here in the Redskins Park should help the Redskins or- or- should help continuity and should help the Gregg Williams and the other U.S. American coaches so we will be able to build up our continuity. ((for our fans))

Posted by: 4-12 | January 23, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Can someone with Snyder's e-mail address PLEASE forward him a link to this page? He has completely lost his mind.

Posted by: dougbell23 | January 23, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

4th please don't tell me your gonna defend the Star Wars prequeuls?!?!?!?!?!?
Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2008 05:19 PM

Well, 1 & 3 were oookkk. 2, I never understood. But, I was born the year of part 5, so I a mnot passionate about this topic. Just curious since he had every one waiting for 20+ years......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 23, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I honestly thought Dan Snyder had learned somthing. I guess old habits are hard to break. Continuity????????????????????.

Posted by: gibbsna | January 23, 2008 05:26 PM

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With all due respect gibbsna, Snyder has indeed been consistent. He still sucks shweaty balls at running a pro football team. Nothing has changed. Pretty consistent.

However, he is great at marketing. Anyone want to buy a Redskins Beach Trip to Cancun? Anyone? Anyone? Hello? I'll throw in a Redskin bottle opener.

Posted by: the_squire | January 23, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

OH POOP!

Posted by: josh1234 | January 23, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I find it hard to get too upset over Fossil. I am not a fan of his, but worst things have happened this year.

I will continue to root for and love the Redskins as I have in the past.

In others news, classy decision by the NFL...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3210496

Posted by: CBT | January 23, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

So disappointed by this, I don't even know what to say.

Is there anyway to overthrow an owner? Can we plan a mutiny? I'm game for suggestions.

Posted by: thusler | January 23, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I included this link in my previous post, but I think it warrants mentioning again since some readers were confused about Ryan's contract status. From The Sun's Jamison Hensley:

A team official explained that the Ravens' coaching staff was "released" but not fired. That means the coaches could look for other jobs, but they could remain with the team if the new coach wants them. Because Ryan is under contract for another year, the Ravens could block him from taking another defensive coordinator job under NFL rules. They couldn't stop him from becoming a head coach, so Ryan would be free to leave if he gets the Falcons' job.


http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/blog/2008/01/report_redskins_pursuing_ryan.html

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Either way - whether the staff stays or goes - the damage is done - Snydratto has permanently alienated a great staff and ripped the spirit right out of the entire team. Why would anyone want to play or coach for this clown?

Posted by: philipwhite1 | January 23, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back, Norv Fassel!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 23, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

We are the NY Knicks of the NFL. Pathetic

Posted by: poulsene | January 23, 2008 05:28 PM

Actually, we aren't yet, but we are about to be . . .

Posted by: RedBee | January 23, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Pies? Meat loafs? Not yet? OK.

I am completely ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

If this indeed turns out to be true, it's a sad day I think for all that Joe Gibbs had done for the team.

Now, it sucks that Snyder has complete say in this; but it's his right as the owner. Is there any way can influence him to sell the team? Perhaps, each season ticket holder boycotts 2 home games of the year and reduces merchandise purchases. That would mean that the Skins revenue would go down by about 25% not accounting for revenue sharing...

Also, I'm thinking hostile takeover and an ability to run the team the same way the Packers are run; by a municipality. Then, you select a GM to run the team and he selects the coach, who selects the staff, etc.

Posted by: hailbg | January 23, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

oooh boy that would be great if the Ravens get some picks for Rex!!

Angelos is still worse than Danny...but not by much...the skins just spent two years learning Al's system and now he's gone..for Jim Fassel..lol..that makes no sense.

Posted by: jsedelman22 | January 23, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I sincerely hope that this report isn't true. It doesn't make since to destroy the continuity of the team, especially, since they've made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years. Why doesn't Coach Gibbs speak out about this? This is his team that's left behind. Even though GW had it tough in Buffalo, his fortunes could be considerably different here in Washington. Jim Fassel didn't win the SB. He's probably a nice guy, however, the same team that is now going to the SB was the same team that quit on him in 2003 resulting in a 4-12 record and his firing thereafter. Team continuity is very important in this league, with every head coach wanting to make his mark that continuity will most certainly be lost. What a lost for US the Fans. We matter little,except for the money we spend. Too Bad for ME the FAN.

Posted by: rww829 | January 23, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

and btw...the ravens are going to crunch the skins this fall!

Posted by: jsedelman22 | January 23, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I laughed at the Arrington post too. Sick as it is, I think it speaks to the anger, rage and embarrasment we Skins fans have here.
I've never seen anything like this. I think Snyder and Cerrato are incompetent and the Post and everyone of us needs to publicly state this. Snyder didn't want Williams because he wouldn't say yes to him. What does that make of Gibbs. I think we've all been banged up the you know what with the crap we've been fed the last four years... All of that mumbo-jumbo.

This team needs a GM. Hello Beathard and Casserly. GMs andd coaches aren't supposed to always get along, but when the two are good, you usually win football games. HELLO STEELERS, COLTS, GIANTS and of course the Patriots!!!

Oh, Snyder is too busy running his Redskins amusement Park.
I'm out.

Posted by: petefaggen | January 23, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

It feels like Snyder and Cerrato are about to flip the bird to the Redskins organization, the current coaching staff, former coach Gibbs, the players, the fans, and the whole city of DC. Morons (if it's true).

Posted by: busterkurosawa | January 23, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

My only hope is that Snyder's other business ventures (Six Flags, Johnny Rockets, etc.) fail so completely that they become such a drain on his finances that he's forced to sell the team.

Otherwise I'll be forced to go through this BS every 3-4 years for the rest of my life. A little too Kafka-esque for me.

Posted by: ygbrown2001 | January 23, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

We've all been punked!! Joe Gibbs comes from around the bushes, points his finger at us, and laughs. It was all just a big joke! Oh Gibbo, you're quite the jokster.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 23, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

From the blog to the print edition ... kind of a big jump not to be right ... means that if its not right, barno jumps on not only Jasno, but also Cindy and Emilio.

btw, I am anti-cut-and-paste-from-the-blog posts by barno. Shows no effort. Just a cut and paste added to the preceding string of cut/paste. Remember barno, cutting is a thing you do to cheese ... and paste is made to be eaten while in kindergarten.

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey idiot Vinny, why don't you trade Gregg Williams for Rex Ryan?? I look forward to a Gregg Williams coached team humiliating the two moron clowns! By the way, I hope BRANDON LLOYD bangs Dan Snyder's wife!

Posted by: jimwell | January 23, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Pretty disappointing news. Not real happy, I was of the opinion that continuity was the way to go.

I suppose though, I remember at the beginning of the season they were talking about how if the team didn't make a deep playoff run, they would blow it up.

Posted by: kost52 | January 23, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

The B'more Sun seems to think that Ryan will stay there:

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The next move could be retaining Rex Ryan as their defensive coordinator, an NFL source said.

The Atlanta Falcons have offered their head coaching job to Jacksonville defensive coordinator Mike Smith -- according to reports -- a deal that would eliminate Ryan as a candidate for the position. Smith is a former Ravens assistant and Brian Billick's brother-in-law.

Ryan has been contacted by other teams about being a defensive coordinator, but the Ravens can block any move because he has another year left on his contract.

Harbaugh coached with Ryan when they were both at the University of Cincinnati in 1996.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-ravens123,0,7632125.story?coll=bal_tab01_layout

Posted by: Burgundy | January 23, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

'bizarre and irritatingly relevant'? Not yet? OK.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 23, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I do not understand why this is such abad thing. I for one think that if we get the DC and OC they are both young and upcoming coaches and fassel is just here to manage jsut like Saint Joe did. I hope that Fassel just manages the team and leaves all of the other things to the coordinators and lets all just slow down a little bit and see what happens

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 23, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

i just checked and www.snydermustgo.com is available. can someone that knows something about computers get the petition ready if this really happens?

Posted by: dougbell23 | January 23, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I propose that we unofficialy remove the following letters from the team name: s-n-y-d-e-r... From now of they should be know as "Ki"

Posted by: SeanMichael13 | January 23, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I found the Arrington post hilarious. And the rape of your childhood, too. Tell me another.

Seriously, if Saint Joe hadn't called for continuity when he quit (how's that for continuity?), would any of y'all have been so keen for Flapjacks' picking a starter to mess with and Saunders's 700-page-playbook that apparently it takes 7 seasons on the bench to learn?

Posted by: suz | January 23, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Drew Bledsoe where are you?

Posted by: dave197391 | January 23, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

JLC brings his fastball:

The moves appear to contradict statements Snyder made at the news conference announcing Gibbs's departure two weeks ago. Then, Snyder stressed his desire to maintain continuity and praised Gibbs for stabilizing a franchise that had gone through four head coaches in the four seasons before he arrived.

Now, naming two new coordinators and a new head coach would result in a complete overhaul of the team.

Posted by: Burgundy | January 23, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

**(&^). Picking -another- starter to mess with.

Posted by: suz | January 23, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

If Williams refused to pucker up for Vinny and that constituted a "lack of a relationship," then good for him. He will leave knowing he had the respect of his players and a job well done, with his dignity intact. Find greener pastures and then roll in to FedEx and lay the wood to Snyder & Co. The look on Snyder's face when Norv rolled in and beat the Skins was priceless. Now he can wait for Williams to do the same. Snyder's lack of character has come through loud and clear over the years - refused to fire Turner in person; denigrated Mike Nolan; dropped the hammer on Marty because football was "not fun;" dumped Coles; and now left the entire coaching staff out to dry as the jobs with other teams dwindled. Payback is hell. This is getting to be as much fun as watching Shanahan go toe to toe with Al Davis. What a joke the Skins have become - a cartoon.

Posted by: i155133 | January 23, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

JLC: please give out Snyder's email address so we can tell him directly what we think of him and what he is doing to OUR TEAM!!!

Posted by: Jeb_Brown | January 23, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

SHABINGUS!

Posted by: Dorf | January 23, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone sees this football team like a bunch of high schoolers that will quit because they didn't get their way. Cmon, do you think any one of the PROFESSIONAL players on this team won't view this as a business decision. You hear it every day. Another player is cut it's business. Lost your job cause you got hurt, it's business. GG didn't get the job. That's a shame , it's business. After everything that Snyder did right after 21 was murdered I think the players may very well cut him more slack than the fans.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 23, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I bet all of the other NFC East teams will be snatching up our coaches left and right!! They will all gladly give Snyder a beating twice a year. Snyder is a f-ing ahole!

Posted by: jimwell | January 23, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I find it hard to get too upset over Fossil. I am not a fan of his, but worst things have happened this year.

I will continue to root for and love the Redskins as I have in the past.

In others news, classy decision by the NFL...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3210496

Posted by: CBT | January 23, 2008 05:35 PM

I Totally agree. Fossil has done well as a Head Coach. If we were hiring him as an OC I would be worried. He's the most proven candidate out there. Didn't anyone listen to the Acorsi (sp?) interview on Riggins last night? Hiring an assistant is just taking a shot in the dark as to how he will project to the totally different HC job. One will be a good HC, the other 9 will be gone in 3 seasons. I always thought Fossil did a good job with the G-men.

Even if you don't like him like I do, the comparisons to Spurrier or other doomsday scenarios, are just ridiculous. At worst, he's a competent pro coach.

Posted by: Jason10 | January 23, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

:(

-ArtMonkToTheSticks

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 23, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Once again who says that this won't work. I for one think that change is a good thing and we need not a roster blow up but some change and lets see how many player sit out this year in training camp with a new regime. I hope that they come in and teach them to play and for once adjust to the talent that you have and not just plug in a system and say it will work trust me. 700 pages didn't do much for us this year.

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 23, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

NEW TEAM WANTED

Wanted: New NFL Team to cheer for.

Posted by: redskins1 | January 23, 2008 05:10 PM

Dude,

You probably ought to change your name while you're at it. This is a bit contradictory.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 23, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I think that the last thing that Danny wants is players being loyal to a coach. That seems to offend Danny (as in "Why can't they love me?") So if the team is generally regarded as being loyal to Williams, it's obvious that Danny could not abide by this situation. Sounds childish? Couldn't happen? Remember Sanders? Remember that over the hill pass rusher from the Bills? They could care less about team loyalty but they LOVED Danny and his dollars. Good bye "core Redskins" that Gibbs took 4 years to mold. Hello the new pay for play players. Just saying "Thanks", Danny, you joke.

Posted by: driley | January 23, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Vinny must have blackmail pics on Danny.
This man is about to make me turn in my tickets. Sell the team dany. Hope somebody in your organization reads these posts so you can know hoe unhappy we Redskin fans are.

Posted by: bryjen48 | January 23, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Well, I hope we are wrong. I hope that a year or two from now VinnyDAN is holding the Lombardi and saying "SUCK IT FELLAS" and we all have to sheepishly agree that VinnyDAN was right and we are wrong . . .

GG would have been the safe and popular choice. Would it have worked? Maybe not, but it would have continued to make the team look like a professional team. Players would have had a pride in an organization that came together after the death of their friend. Would they have played for less? Probably not much less. Would they have renegotiated contracts in time for us to sign drafts picks and free agents? Probably. Will they now? Probably not. Why not see how things go and if you don't like it, force VinnyDAN to cut you and sign with someone else?

However VinnyDAN spins it tomorrow, it is a complete overhaul and a complete shakeup, with no nod to continuity where it counts, with the coaches and players. If VinnyDAN says that he wanted to continue but after getting into the process found out he couldn't and decided to go a different way, then good for him. But he will probably lie and say this somehow constitutes continuity since the Felliatrix is "still" in charge of pro football operations.

Sigh.

I am rambling. And sad. And rambling.

Posted by: RedBee | January 23, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Just got home from a long drive. Gotta eat soon, but maybe the waiting on SD's riveria is what is keeping us from announcing Ryan. Once again we tipped our hand and Bmore's gonna skewer us for someone they would have released anyway.

Poop on a stick!

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 23, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

suz, do you you really think Norv Fassel--fired twice in 3 years and out of coaching since Oct 06 with no job offers--is a better choice than Flapjacks?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 23, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. How can someone be "released" yet still remain "under contract"?

When the Wide Receiver is "released" this offseason, he won't be "under contract" he'll be a FA. The whole Rex Ryan Baltimore story stinks. It smells like the Baltimore guys are trying to split hairs like the Danny.

I'd like an explanation from the League on this and not Baltimore's legal department.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I propose that we unofficialy remove the following letters from the team name: s-n-y-d-e-r... From now of they should be know as "Ki"

Posted by: SeanMichael13 | January 23, 2008 05:50 PM


How about just adding "LL" to redskins?

Hmmmmmm?

Posted by: the_squire | January 23, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Based on Williams succeeding Gibbs, I reviewed the roster and thought there might be between 15 and 20 percent turnover of players.

Toast with Mayor Marion Berry Jam and butther.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"If it ain't broke, blow it up."

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I propose that we unofficialy remove the following letters from the team name: s-n-y-d-e-r... From now of they should be know as "Ki"

Posted by: SeanMichael13 | January 23, 2008 05:50 PM


How about just adding "LL" and "Y" to redskin?

Hmmmmmm?

Posted by: the_squire | January 23, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

East coast just shut down for the day. I am not excited about the hire but not to the point that others are. I hope that this can turn into a long term plan. I would still like to know what the big beef with williams was for it would be interesting to know. I am sure that it will eventuall leak of why he did not get hired.

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 23, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm betting that Gregg Williams will be the new defensive coordinator in Baltimore. Why doesn't Vinny just work a trade?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 23, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I am in the same boat as most of you, as in I feel we are back to our long-held purch as a laughingstock and embarassment of a franchise (simply for the way the coaching search was conducted), however I think we need to reach out to Chargers fans who had to be even more devastated than use when it was learned that their 14-2 team with superior talent was cleaning house entirely and hiring the biggest loser in football history as its head coach.

Posted by: pmd23 | January 23, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

ALL REDSKINS FANS - BOYCOTT THE GAMES - SELL YOUR TICKETS. WE NEED SNYDER TO SELL THE TEAM AND CANNOT SUPPORT THIS CIRCUS ANY LONGER. THIS IS A DISGRACE. AGAIN - BOYCOTT OUR TEAM - THIS IS NOT LONGER OUT TEAM - THIS IS THE MICKEY MOUSE CLUB FOR SNYDER AND HIS PUPPETS. I AM SELLING MY TICKETS.

Posted by: jscorporate | January 23, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

A lot of things come to question if this plays out as reported. Including the accessibility of my pocket book. My guess is next year's Forbes valuation of this franchise will be one or two spots below this year's and declining every year after. I think the continuation of the "big splash" is getting old and people are on to the scam.

Washington fans have been probably been best as far as sticking with 15 year loser relatively speaking. Most franchises would lose fans after a year or two. I've grown more and more distant with Redskins every year Danny has been owner. This season I've even passed up on going to some of the games... even for "free" (nothing is really free going to a redskins game; parking, food, drinks, etc. alway somehow end up spending around $100 even if tickets are free and I can't seem to get into my seat any sooner than the middle of the 2nd quarter whether I drive or take the metro).

Next season I'll watch games from home if I can. But like this season, I won't be going out of my way to watch an overhyped 8-8 product. I'll wait until real evidence of stability appears in the form of a reputable GM and no Vinny Cerrato in the picture. Vinny is an assistant college scout at best. After his 49ers gig and Marty no one was even calling him for that minus ESPN.

Danny could learn a lot from the Wizards and Ernie Grunfeld example.

Posted by: emmanouel8 | January 23, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I think ALL players like the money. But if Fassel comes in and says to CP "You are my guy ..You got 1200 yards last year how does a rushing title sound?" He'll renegotiate. If he says to JC "I wanted this job because of you... I see a couple of rings in your future." JC will be fine and probably better. This isn't happening in a vacuum these guys are pro coaches they know how to motivate.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 23, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

emmanouel8,

You used Danny and "learn" in the same sentence. Not a good syntax.

Posted by: driley | January 23, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I live in Orlando Fl and i am cancelin the NFL PACKAGE BECAUSE MISTER SNYDER CAN'T BRING A WINNING TEAM.

Posted by: javiermartinez14 | January 23, 2008 05:32 PM

How dose this hurt Mr. Synder..And please..."Mr". is a verbal title of adressing respect to someone... Just call him Douchebag...

Posted by: Tyler84101 | January 23, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I predict that we are tied for last in our division next year and that is being optimistic.

Posted by: driley | January 23, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Bmore could use a new reciever, the for example for a DC. They have no offense anyway and could use some help from a well rested receiver.

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 23, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Btw, the Ravens board over at baltimore sun is about as lively as a pep rally led by the Danny. I don't know what that says about Baltimore Fans, but we're destroying them on the message board front!

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Well it's on to the Capitals for me.

Posted by: jm220 | January 23, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Poppies! Poppies! All of the sudden I feel so sleepy, *yawn*.

(Waiting for the flying monkeys to haul me away)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

One thing I have not seen addressed here is the backup QB situation.

Bad enough that Jason will have to learn his 7th new offense in 8 years. But just as bad, who in the world is going to back him up? I seriously doubt Collins will stick around with Saunders most likely being given the heave-ho and Brunnell is gone no matter who the coach will be. (Age and cap hit)

So, they will need to go the FA route to find one. Add in Ryan and most of this year's draft picks might be right out the window.

Only Snyder could pull something like this. What a total, 100% ass.

Posted by: CSzaz | January 23, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

there is some good news that can be taken out of this. what was everyone's reaction when gibs was hired, how about marty or spurrier? These coaches were celebrated and welcomed with open arms. The fact that Im not too excited about Fassel gets me kind of excited. What we all thought would work in the past hasn't, lets see what happens when we all think it won't work.

Posted by: s_perazich | January 23, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

The G-men quit on Fassel. A team decimated by injuries quit on their coach. Sounds like an indictment of the players not the coach. After this year I'd say Fassel is getting an upgrade in talent and character.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 23, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

jm220--

That's not credible. You're not giving up that easily. A bunch of these other weiners can give up because it sounds like they never got started, but you're in it for the long haul.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 23, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

bleep bleep

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: suz | January 23, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

As much as I hate to say it but, I blame Coach Joe for this. He should have fulfilled his contract & gone for that 4th ring, or at least he should have stayed as team president, and not let this happen! I can't believe he is on board w/this. We can all bombard the skins web site w/e-mails!! I did and I let them know I will never buy anything redskin again, until snider/cerrato are gone! I hope the players revolt as well, and tell vinnie to take his contract re-negotiations and shove it up his danny!

Posted by: jolmert | January 23, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I am so pissed off right now that I just ate a one pound chocolate bar. All I can say is REVOLT, PROTEST, DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO SHOW OUR DISAPPROVAL OF WHAT IS TO BECOME.

Just like all of you guys I have been a Redskin fan my entire life. I thought we were getting close to the glory days again. This sucks.

Posted by: cangle12 | January 23, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to give up on my hometown team. The team that I have been proud to have been affiliated with through thick and thin over the past 27 years of my life.

However, I just can't deal with another huge shakeup of the staff. From Petibone, to Turner, to Spurrier, Schotenheimer, etc. etc. etc.

For the past 10 years it seems that every two years the team gets "blown up" and we begin all over again.

I want continuity. I need continuity. Hasn't Danny boy learned that the quick fixes don't bring immediate success but another five years of waiting?

Seriously, if you can bring in B. Smith, D. Sanders, B. Johnson, etc. etc. etc. and still not win a title? Do you think that bringing in a new coaching trio that never have coached together will bring about crazy, amazing results.

I can't type the sentence that I am going to stop bleeding Burgundy & Gold...but this whole debacle has really sucked the zeal for the Skins out of me.

Luckily, in P-town, I can rally behind a true team: the Trailblazers. Whose management are focusing on youth, continuity, and character. Three things that are rallying this city behind this team like it hasn't in a decade.

Maybe the Dan-o could take a page or two from Blazer GM Kevin Pritchard's book.

Sad days to be a Skins fan.

HAIL!

Posted by: StumptownChris | January 23, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Good News. The Boycott Bus is all tuned up with a full tank of Diesel gas and ready to roll.

Those (few) of you that support Fassel have every right to stay behind. As for the rest of us, let all get on board with this Boycott idea. We all know it's the only way. There's gotta be a good way to use the internets or something to get this thing organized. More to come.

PS- Thanks for nothing Joe Gibbs. Once again you have left this franchise in disarray with your sudden retirement. Your one mission was to restore stability to this franchise. Mission FAILED.

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 23, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Snyder and his half-witted pool boy Cerrato are idiots. An NFL team is not a corporate entity, you MORON. Things have to actually work together; you can't just reorganize willy-nilly whenever you get a wild hair. What a steaming pile of crap Snyder has turned out to be. You've made one good move in 9 years of ownership, you little pogue, (2 if you count hiring Marty S.) and now you're going to take us fans back to the miserable days of losing 13 straight to the Cowgirls and mediocrity. This guy CANNOT really be a fan! Long live Gregg Williams and his Top 10 defenses!!!! You will be missed..................

Posted by: pete_carroll | January 23, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

"The moves appear to contradict statements Snyder made at the news conference announcing Gibbs's departure two weeks ago."

That's because Snyder is a liar. Anyone ever think this is the REAL reason Gibbs left? Seriously.

Gibbs has class, is a true leader, and a man of faith. Snyder is a classless leprechaun who has no morals.

He's a punk and as long as he owns the Redskins they will NEVER win a Superbowl.

Good luck Redskins.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 23, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm just curious...maybe someone will answer me...maybe the won't...

If this is such a waste of time why is everyone so eagerto post (and I see some names more than once) their displeasure with the search?...you people aren't fans of this team.

Posted by: lilagram | January 23, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know how we can directly get a hold of the Redskin's front office to let them know how we feel about this latest B.S.??? Let's not blame Gibbs; family DOES come first! We all know he favored Williams as his successor anyway. Little Dan, with Vinnie stuck to his behind, just didn't bother to listen. Let's start some type of brouhaha and raise a ruckus!!!

Posted by: pete_carroll | January 23, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I'll believe this news when I see it. If it's true, I don't how eager I will be to watch the Skins whenever they come on tv out here.

If this news is true, the players must feel like they've been slapped in the face, especially players like Campbell and RockyMac, who invested so many hours watching film, learning plays and refining their technique.

As a former athlete, this news would make me BARF!!!

Posted by: JAMiah3109 | January 23, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

in my personal opinion, greg williams would make an incredible head coach. the players respect him, the FANS respect him, and the coaching staff respects him. What has fassel accomplished that would make him a better candidate for the 'skins head coach over greg william. I hope this organization doesnt take a step backwards.

Posted by: ajblaze5 | January 23, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm a fan. I'm just not willing to give up because this didn't go the way the media thought it should. It's not like Snyder didn't interview GG. When you get 4 interviews and still can't get the gig is it REALLY the interviewer's fault?

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 23, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I have been a Skins fan since I was a little kid and I am in total shock over what has happened this past year. I really thought it could not get any worse after #21 passed away but leave it up to Dan Snyder to keep the pain fresh!

We as Skins fans need to take action to get this joke of an owner out of town! Speak up respectfully to the local media/papers and let everyone know just what we think of Snyder's idea of "team spirit". Boycott games and hit him in the pocket where it will hurt him the most.

If only the Kent Cook family was still in control...

Posted by: shadowninja180 | January 23, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Thank you dan snyder.

Thanks dan, for making your patented off-season "splash" with the hiring of our new coaches.

Thanks dan, for being so spoiled and self centered that you had to involve yourself in a man's game of which you know absolutely nothing about.

Thanks dan, for purchasing our storied franchise and running it into the ground as you have done.

Thanks dan, for embarrassing it's players, current coaching staff, its living legends and its fans.

Thanks dan, for only 2 weeks after proving that the Redskins have the heart to come together after a loss so tragic and terrible as one of their teammates and brothers passing away, we are now once again the laughing stock of the NFL.

Thanks dan, for sacrificing our pride for your power trip.

Thanks dan, you just lost a life-long fan, go f*** yourself.

Posted by: SeanTay77 | January 23, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

"Dan Snyder does not care what the fans think or want. This is his team and he's going to prove it. He knows more than anyone else; so he doesn't have to listen to anyone, including his idol Joe Gibbs. The only way to make his change is to hurt him in his wallet. We need to boycott everything he owns...Redskins, Six Flags, Johnny Rocketts, etc. Don't go to the games. Don't buy the jersey's. Don't give him a dime of our money."

Jeb_Brown you will probably be the first person in line to buy a new jersey...such fickle fans..you all are the a@@holes...LOL

Posted by: lilagram | January 23, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Later Snyder, you can have my seats. I'll watch this train wreck from home.

Posted by: tarymoore | January 23, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the players are supporting GG publicly but saying something else in private?

We're not that far away from this 2006 story:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2672668

Posted by: todd_betke | January 23, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

lilagram, I can't speak for everyone, but as a long time coach myself, albeit at the H.S. level, I can tell you that coaching staff overhauls lead to major team upheaval with personnel and, when new philosophies come in to play it takes a significant amount of time to adjust. This team was only a few players from being a serious contender. Now, they will be back to having a top 5 draft pick every year. If it ain't broke, DON'T fix it! Williams is the best Redskin D coordinator since Richie Petitbon 15 years ago.

Posted by: pete_carroll | January 23, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Like I said venting is good. RI is a great blog because there is ALWAYS something or someone(Danny) to vent about. But man you guys are WAAAAAAY over the top. Snyder gets NO credit for doing a real search and giving the ONLY viable in-house candidate FOUR (4) Really 4 interviews, before going in a different direction. The man is a gazillionzire. He may know something about an interview. He has worked with Gibbs for 4 years he may have an idea of the TYPE of personality he wants in a HEAD coach. Firey, bombastic personalities are great on the D side of the ball but successful Head Coaches tend to be a little more subdued, more constant, even dare I say CONSISTANT emotionally. Doesn't sound like GG to me.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 23, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Jim Fassel? I guess Rich Kotite wouldn't return Danny's phone calls.

Hey, look at the bright side, we'll have two (fired) members of the coaching staff of a team that went 13-3 in 06!

Posted by: gbooksdc | January 23, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

I guess this means, after 40 years, I am divorced. So many memories. So much joy!

But since the little guy, the midget with the jet and the ass-clown at his side. Since '99 it had become an abusive relationsship. But I stuck by his side. Sure, there were major let downs - but I also saw the positive side and when he found the faith four years ago, I was so happy. But this... Finding him in bed with Fassel and Zorn in the closet and this guy Ryan doing things I had never seen. And that assclown, Vinny. How does his jaw open so wide.

Anyway. Call me a Packer Fan now, cause I have been packed just like the rest of the skins' fans.

Posted by: erthdog | January 23, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I think i would rather have Tom Cruise coaching. With Katie Holmes running the defense. at least we wouldnt have to give up draft picks for her!

Posted by: SeanTay77 | January 23, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Hiring an assistant is just taking a shot in the dark?

I rather take a shot in the dark and hire an assistant, than take a sure shot and hire a recycled bad head-coach.

Posted by: opita | January 23, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Super Bowl in '09! Fasselmania sweeps DC and Northern Virginia!

I'm sure Gibbs will say nothing but good because he's getting a fat paycheck to stay as an advisor.

Hey, we had a losing record with Gibbs 2.0. We might be better with this crew. If we get worse, then we get draft picks. Besides, if you saw the strength of schedules for the 2008 season, the Pats might well run the table again.

Buck up dudes and dudettes! It's all good. Williams was a lousy head coach in Buffalo and probably wouldn't have been any better here.

Posted by: Soups1 | January 23, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Heck, let's just hire zombie Tom Landry why don't we?

Jim Fassel???

Posted by: JimmieBise | January 23, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I just feel numb. I think I need to take a year off from Redskins after this crapshoot.

Posted by: buddiee22 | January 23, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Has Snyder not learned ANYTHING!!! This is a disguisting travisty for the Redskins. Don't stand in front of millions of adoring fans and preach "continuity" and keeping the ship "sailing" forward... then turn around and completely UNDUE everything you have let happen over the past 4 years. As a lifelong fan, I'm embarrassed to be part of the Redskins Nation today... this is a SAD, TERIBBLE, GUT-WRENCHING moment and I can't beleive I'm going to have to suffer to watch this new coaching staff (yet again) try to bring back the glory of the Burgundy and Gold. It's right there in front of you Snyder!!! Promote Williams now... get your head (and Vinny's) out of your derriere!!! You make me sick and I quietly hope that everything you do (minus MY Redskins) completely and totally fails to the point that you eventually have to sell the team to someone to knows about and cares about the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: bussman24 | January 23, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I have followed the Redskins since 1953. The maddest I ever got before this week with a coaching change was when George Allen was let go. This deal with Snyder makes that old episode look tame. It puts my decades-long alliance in jeopardy. Joe Gibbs' four-year run amounts to little but wasted time if this travesty goes through.

Posted by: royhobbs56 | January 23, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Hard to believe that Danny Boy managed to forget 4 years of mentoring by a HOF coach in two weeks.....we misunderstood Danny boy at the Gibbs press conference, when he says continuity he means I will go back to continue to ruin this team...he is a disaster, a laughing stock in the league. The reason Williams will not get the job is probably because he is not a "yes" man, WHAT THE HELL DOES HE KNOW ABOUT FOOTBALL....I hope #21 up above does some divine intervention and allows Danny to see the light....GREG WILLIAMS SHOULD BE THE COACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: darvgr | January 23, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

"F" Snyder bringing in a bunch of long time Giants and Ravens. This thing is going to go down in history in the same line with the big spend for Deion Saunders, who never cared about being a Redskins and dumped out of his contract.

How well did Fassel develop young Kyle Boller? He didn't. He got fired. Giants fans and Ravens fans tell us all we need to know about Fassel, he is a recyled loser.

Lets see Rex Ryan coach a team defense not loaded to the Gills with pro-bowl players, which the SKins clearly are not. My guess is, he's no Greg Williams.

Snyder built the Skins back to respectability with Gibbs, now back to his fantasy football ways....sad. Sad to have this on top of the Taylor situation. The team has no continuity or heart. The palyers want to stay with Williams. I smell a players rebellion after a few early losses.

Posted by: DownTownClown | January 23, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys. Keep it up. We here all got mentioned in Jason's Post story with all of our Posts expressing derision and discontent. We need to continue to express the outrage.

What bothers me is not as much Fassel, but the complete arrogance and lack of integrity of Snyder and Cerrato. He's a liar and I hate getting lied to. Period. It burns. Its hard to overcome.
The only person he's out to please is himself and his self-centeredness has ruined this proud franchise.
Snyder is the classic case of someone who is not qualified to do their job. Unfortunately money bought him his position. Now we have to take it away from him.
NEVER, EVER BUY AN $8 beer at Fed Ex, a $6 hot dog or any of the other over-priced, over hyped crap at one of the worst venues in professional sports.

And see, Snyder doesn't get it. There was a positive ending to a horrible season. And he just threw that down the toilet. Maybe Snyder can go down the drain, too.

Posted by: petefaggen | January 23, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Fassel:

If you are reading this, then, with all due respect, we are frustrated with Redskin's ownership, not you. You've become a victim of circumstance. I'm sure you're a fine, middle-of-the-road coach, but we already have our coach: His name is Greg Williams. Sorry, but this will not happen.

Mr. Snyder:

If you are reading this, then we all due respect, go to H*LL. You are to the Redskins what the Anti-Christ is to Christianity. The Redskins are my religion, and you have destroyed what it means to be a Redskin and what it means to be a fan. I am ashamed to can myself a fan.

After 26 years of fanaticism for this organization, you will have my resignation you if hire anyone but Greg Williams. Period. After 26 years of fanaticism for this organization, you will have my resignation you if you do not step back once and for all. Let me state this again: Twenty-six years.

What a fool.

Respectfully Yours

Jeninterp, a.k.a San Diego

Posted by: jeninterp | January 24, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Fassel:

If you are reading this, then, with all due respect, we are frustrated with Redskin's ownership, not you. You've become a victim of circumstance. I'm sure you're a fine, middle-of-the-road coach, but we already have our coach: His name is Greg Williams. Sorry, but this will not happen.

Mr. Snyder:

If you are reading this, then we all due respect, go to H*LL. You are to the Redskins what the Anti-Christ is to Christianity. The Redskins are my religion, and you have destroyed what it means to be a Redskin and what it means to be a fan. I am ashamed to can myself a fan.

After 26 years of fanaticism for this organization, you will have my resignation you if hire anyone but Greg Williams. Period. After 26 years of fanaticism for this organization, you will have my resignation you if you do not step back once and for all. Let me state this again: Twenty-six years.

What a fool.

Respectfully Yours

Jeninterp, a.k.a San Diego

Posted by: jeninterp | January 24, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

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