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FedEx Field Not Directly Impacted by Smith's Bid for Rams

The St. Louis Business Journal reported on Friday that FedEx founder, chairman, CEO and president Fred Smith was on the short list of names of potential bidders to purchase the majority stake of the St. Louis Rams.

Should Smith buy the Rams, he would have to sell his 10 percent stake in the Washington Redskins, a share worth an estimated $150 million, to be in accordance with NFL rules.

But the question has been asked in the blogosphere as to whether that would impact the naming rights of the Redskins' stadium, FedEx Field.

I spoke with some lawyers and also asked the NFL for comment as to whether they would consider it a conflict of interest for someone to own the majority stake in one NFL franchise while their company held the naming rights to another team's stadium.

The NFL got back to me and said that, purely hypothetically, it is not an issue.

Here is what I have gathered as to why:

To speculate on the language of the specific FedEx/Redskins contract, a deal that runs through 2025, is pointless. We don't know for sure whether there is a buyout clause, or whether FedEx would be interested in getting out.

But what is clear is that the personal dealings of the founder/CEO/president of a company (like say, buying a football team) do not necessarily impact the dealings of said company.

Even if the CEO wanted to buy out the naming rights contract so that he didn't own one NFL team while another team's stadium was named after his company, he would have to convince the board and the shareholders that it was in the best interest of the company to do so. And they might not feel that it is.

In fact, shareholders might look at the situation as possibly being more of a sweetheart deal for the CEO than a buyout done with the company's best interests in mind.

So in other words, should Smith buy the Rams, it does not immediately change the status of FedEx Field being FedEx Field. Things would change only if FedEx decided it was in the best interest of the company to buy out the contract and moved to do so...and of course, if there was a buyout clause in the original contract.

By Paul Tenorio  |  June 22, 2009; 12:24 PM ET
 
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Comments

Wow, we get to keep the FedEx name. How exciting is that?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 22, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Give him the name and that toilet of a stadium. Get us back into DC.

Posted by: kdog11 | June 22, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

So if FedEx no longer wishes to have their name attached to the stadium, does this mean they can move back to D.C. where they belong?

They should've never left D.C. anyway, and the stadium is just too big.

You'd think that with 90k+ seating they'd have more events there. I can't remember any major concerts at FedEx.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 22, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/20/AR2009062001632.html?hpid=topnews

This guy is taking over for MArc Fischer. He was sounding good until he gave his 'generic' advise about the skins (relevance for the haters!)......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

why don't we go after Derrick Brooks for the vet min?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 22, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Now that Jerry Jones has a new stadium can Danny be far behind. Fex-Ed fields is so 90's

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 22, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

moe, its been a long time since Schmoltz pitched in a meaningful game, not saying I don't think he can do it, but I want to see him do it for a couple of games before I'm not anxious about him. Bard, is kid pitching out of the bull pen. Hits 100 on a pretty regular basis. His cheese is in the 96-98 range most pitches, but then if he drops the hook, its in the 81mph range....needs to work on his consistency....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 22, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV and all others. If you think the Redskins should have never moved to Palm Park/Landover, blame Sharon Pratt-Kelly. Worst. Mayor. Of. All. Time. Period. (Fenty is running a close second and could surpass her soon)

And indirectly, blame the B!t#h that set up MArion Barry becasue he would have still been in office and would have worked out a deal to let the Redskins purchase swamp land on the Anacostia to build a new stadium not far from RFK....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

""[Brian] Cushing has been a starter since the day he got off the bus.''
--Houston coach Gary Kubiak, on his first-round draft pick from USC "


May I remind everyone I was high on Cushing going into the draft and thought he was worth looking at.

I was not high on Orakpo going into the draft.

Cushing will > Orakpo in da leaaague.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 22, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

lol @ 4th supporting Marion Barry

keep up the great work in the nation's capitol

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 22, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

blame Sharon Pratt-Kelly. Worst. Mayor. Of. All. Time. Period.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 1:32 PM |

You can also blame Jack Kent Cooke who treated her in a sexist, condescending manner. Patting her on the buttocks is never a good way to win a mayor's respect.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 22, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"But will it do anything for the sport in the US longterm? No."

Maybe not, but the fact that ESPN just picked up the Barclay's Premier League (England's premier division) as well as La Liga (Spain's premier division) certainly does bode well for long term viewership.

Posted by: psps23 | June 22, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Her respect, most likely not - but it is a proven shortcut to obtaining TROPHY PANTIEESSS!

wooo hoooooo mayor! SWANG it!


...ew...

///maps///

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 22, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

JKC - Say Marion here's a $2M "campaign contribution" and a key of crack

MB - Thanks, Jack! Here's 144 acres of land build whatever you want. Just file the permits afterwards and let us know what you did.

JCK - OK

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 22, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

why don't we go after Derrick Brooks for the vet min?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 22, 2009 1:28 PM

He's a Will nor a Sam LB, also old and injured most of last year

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 22, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

not a SAM

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 22, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I got it. 1. Smith buys the Rams. 2. Rams decide they want to get out of STL (there have been murmurs) 3. Rams decide to buy out Skins contracts with the FedEx and their lease on the stadium. Skins and DC build a new stadium down town.

DC then gets 2 teams plss moving the skins back to DC. Everyone's a winner.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 22, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I pretty sure there is a Man Law that states if you are over 80 and worth more than billion dollars you can pat women on the tush - anytime, anywhere

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 22, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse


""[Brian] Cushing has been a starter since the day he got off the bus.''
--Houston coach Gary Kubiak, on his first-round draft pick from USC "


May I remind everyone I was high on Cushing going into the draft and thought he was worth looking at.

I was not high on Orakpo going into the draft.

Cushing will > Orakpo in da leaaague.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 22, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

No chance...Cushing will probably be good but Orakpo will be great. Especially playing behind or next to Albert. Having him learn LB is only going to help him understand the overall scheme. He is going to be a beast.

Posted by: mburns134 | June 22, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

4ths right a interview with Barry was done a while back on hoggs heaven or som where. He was about 3 weeks from a deal with Cooke on a new stadium at the RFK site, and then left office. Kelly botched it.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 22, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

You can also blame Jack Kent Cooke who treated her in a sexist, condescending manner. Patting her on the buttocks is never a good way to win a mayor's respect.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 22, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

True, but it is the mayor's job to look out for the best interest of his/her constituency. Building a new stadium in DC would have been best for the District. This is not just retrospective talk either. Most people realized it then. She did not have to take the sexual harrassment (she could have sued the "billionaire bully" if she wanted), but she did not do what was best for the city, letting a personal grievance stand in the way. That is not acceptable.

Posted by: moosepod | June 22, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

""[Brian] Cushing has been a starter since the day he got off the bus.''
--Houston coach Gary Kubiak, on his first-round draft pick from USC "


May I remind everyone I was high on Cushing going into the draft and thought he was worth looking at.

I was not high on Orakpo going into the draft.

Cushing will > Orakpo in da leaaague.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 22, 2009 1:35 PM

I was on the same bus. But we got Orakpo, so you need to fall in line. You have to root FOR Orakpo now. Not against him......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry

"...I love being a new dad, but I don't like that it cuts into my movie going..."


Two words: net-flix

Put the kid down for the night.

Open the red envelope, watch your dvd, and send it back pronto. (you get three at a time, btw)

I catch a decent movie with the wife two-three nights a week before bedtime and being told, "No, I already had sex today, I'm sorry you weren't there."

But I digress.

I order all kinds of films: from classic to stoner to subtitled-foreign to weird to gangsta to just bad movies.

The trick to being a parent?: don't let the kids interrupt your fun.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Elfin has Today's Dope Fix:

Portis: No rift with Zorn By David Elfin on June 22, 2009

I caught up with Clinton Portis on the driving range at Bethesda Country Club this morning before he teed off in the 22nd annual Make-A-Wish Golf Classic. Portis, dressed in a jaunty brown golf cap, a brown and red "Play Out" T-shirt, brown shorts, red and gray argyle socks and red shoes, said that reports of a rift between him and coach Jim Zorn are wrong.

"How this story came about, I have no idea," Portis said. "There's nothing going on. There's no beef between me and Coach Zorn. We're on good terms at this present moment. There's no problem."

Portis, who attended many of the organized team activities that finished on June 11 at Redskin Park, had a well-publicized spat with Zorn after the coach benched the slumping running back at halftime of the Dec. 7 loss at Baltimore. But Portis said that flareup was "a long time ago" and that ProFootball Talk was needlessly trying to make trouble where none exists.

"I don't know why people have that in their mind," Portis said. "Me and Coach [Joe] Gibbs had a great relationship. We talked more than me and Coach Zorn do, but lately me and Coach Zorn been talking, trying to get on the same page. Things been going good. He understand me and I understand him."

Quarterback Jason Campbell, on hand to support the Make-A-Wish Foundation and Portis, agreed that he doesn't see any clash between coach and star.

"The first I heard of it was when I got a text message [about the report] this past week," Campbell said. "I didn't know there was a rift. Last season they had their communication issues, but as far as the offseason, things been going pretty good."

- David Elfin

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/jun/22/portis-no-rfit-with-zorn/

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

4th, thanks for posting that, good news.

Not that I ever thought that there was a problem....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 22, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Lets get some dirt rollin on Cerrato and Snyder on here, who gives a crap what the legal rammifications of some dumb ceo buying something is?

Posted by: BMACattack | June 22, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

beantown

"...it's been a long time since Schmoltz pitched in a meaningful game... Bard, is kid pitching out of the bull pen..."

Smoltz is a professional. He will show up and pitch well in the final third of the season--which is like the team making a trade for another arm, isn't it?

Too, Smoltz can relieve: so how do the Sox lose?

Dice K--that's your mystery like Wang is ours, excepting the Yanks don't have any quality young guys to toss in as starters if the need arises.

If CC goes down, and Burnett continues to under impress, the Yanks are done.

I bet Cashman moves X Nady and some other dude for an arm after the All-Star break.

I'd give up the house (that's Hughes/Pena/Cervelli) for Josh Johnson right now if it was my decision to make.

Besides, from where I'm sitting, it's looking like a Phils v. Sawx World Series.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Was suspicious of the recent Zorn-Portis 'blow-up' report from the start. Portis just doesn't get wound up in the off season and Zorn is not looking to pick fights now.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 22, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Cushing will be another in the long line of linebackers that get boosted stats for cleaning up the messes of an overall crappy defense (think Patrick Willis, Demeco Ryans). While Houston will claim they made a brilliant selection with him as their OLB because of his stats, they'll yet again be trotting out the same weak defense that gets lit up time and again.

On the other hand, Orakpo will likely be sharing time, will rotate in and out of the lineup, will take much longer to become a "fixture" on the team, but will undoubtedly be on a much better defense, and in due time, will be a much better player overall.

Posted by: psps23 | June 22, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

maybe he'll decide to try and buy the skins from snyder since he is already a 10% investor...

win-win

Posted by: carsonspence | June 22, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Florio was on Big O and Dukes still sticking with his story. I lean towards believing CP over Shmucky Florio.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 22, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Greg - Spoke too soon! Florio has a vendetta against the Skins. Probably because we have plenty of fans who drive his website numbers up to the point he is partnering with NBC now.

.Portis Denies Any Current Problems With Zorn
Posted by Mike Florio on June 22, 2009, 12:51 p.m.
Redskins running back Clinton Portis has denied our recent report that he has demonstrated disrespect to coach Jim Zorn during offseason workouts.

“How this story came about, I have no idea,” Portis told David Elfin of the Washington Times. “There’s nothing going on. There’s no beef between me and Coach Zorn. We’re on good terms at this present moment. There’s no problem.”

Portis admitted that there was a past “flareup” with Zorn, but that it happened “a long time ago.”

Portis also told Elfin that we (as in PFT) are trying to make trouble where none exists.

Clinton, we honestly don’t give a sh!t. We use the stuff we get that we think our readers will find interesting. And when a credible source tells us that you mouthed off to your head coach during offseason workouts and another credible source corroborates the notion that you have no regard for Zorn, then it’s something we’re going to share with our audience.

And we assume that Redskins fans (including some bloggers who lack the ability to be objective because they’re more concerned about seeing their favorite team be successful than they are about getting to the truth) will blindly accept the version of the events being told by Portis and quarterback Jason Campbell and anyone else with a vested interest in keeping the team’s dirty laundry in the locker room.

The players and the team have an even greater incentive to keep any Portis-Zorn problems from offseason workouts under wraps if, as it appears, the player and the coach are mending fences.

“Me and Coach [Joe] Gibbs had a great relationship,” Portis said. “We talked more than me and Coach Zorn do, but lately me and Coach Zorn been talking, trying to get on the same page. Things been going good. He understand me and I understand him.”

This implies that, prior to “lately,” there were problems between the two men. And it’s possible (baseless speculation alert) that Portis now understands that, if Zorn goes after the 2009 season, Portis might not be too far behind him.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I hadn't given a thought to Sharon Pratt Dixon Kelly in a while, but I blame her AND the Squire for not getting a deal done in DC. Okay, maybe I blame her a little bit more than I blame the Squire. But still.

Anyway, says here Sharon Pratt now has a consulting company, about whom she writes:

"Pratt Consulting works with private companies to achieve collaboration with governments—and support from governments at all levels."

Yep, when the one and only thing people remember about your mayoral career is that you failed to make a deal keeping the city's NFL team in the city, you've adroitly positioned yourself as an expert on public-private collaboration.

http://www.prattconsulting.com/what/index.html

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 22, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Cushing will be another in the long line of linebackers that get boosted stats for cleaning up the messes of an overall crappy defense (think Patrick Willis, Demeco Ryans). While Houston will claim they made a brilliant selection with him as their OLB because of his stats, they'll yet again be trotting out the same weak defense that gets lit up time and again.

On the other hand, Orakpo will likely be sharing time, will rotate in and out of the lineup, will take much longer to become a "fixture" on the team, but will undoubtedly be on a much better defense, and in due time, will be a much better player overall.

Posted by: psps23 | June 22, 2009 2:37 PM

I see 2 things wrong here.

1. You set the bar too high for Cushing and too low for Orakpo.

2. You have built in an 'excuse' just in case he has a vernon gohlston year.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

He being Orakpo....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Florio is being called out a bit for his tendency to make s**t up. This is similar to the controversy between LaCanfora and Vinny last year except 1 big difference, Florio reports on the s**t he makes up where as LaCanfora would have let that lead drop if there was nothing there.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 22, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Whew...God forbid we lose that precious piece of Redkins lore associated with the corporately purchased naming rights to our stadium.

I couldn't imagine walking into the stadium and not being greeted by that friendly FedEx logo plastered on every wall, sign, toilet and hotdog in the joint...

And our precious FedEx dancers getting down to "Play That Funky Music Whiteboy". I mean if FedEx weren't there to deliver their pants at the last moment, then WHAT WOULD WE DO!!!!!

Posted by: p1funk | June 22, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

No, if he has a Vernon Gholston year (as in doesn't play at all) then he'll be a bad selection.

What I'm saying is that he'll be a Terrell Suggs type player. Someone who's stats won't wow you, who's slow to be a full-time player, but is definitely better and more valuable than the LBs who get first year notoriety (you can include Jerod Mayo to that list as well).

Posted by: psps23 | June 22, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

And by "Suggs-type" I mean over the course of Suggs' career, not his first season (which was actually his most statistically gaudy, despite not being a starter).

Posted by: psps23 | June 22, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Great must read article by Elfin. He has a knack for getting the best out of these player profiles. I am rooting for this guy to make the practice squad.....

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/19/answer-to-his-prayers/

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm in the minority here, but I think the 'WTF' moment skins fans will have will occur around the time S Heyer fails to be a servicable NFL right tackle...

...and J Bridges proves he nothing but a journeyman/backup guy...

...and M Williams just another guy who blew up himself and a chance at an NFL career.

I mean, wouldn't it nice if Oher/Monroe/Britton were the choices from the bench after Heyer in the event of injury or ineffectiveness?

As much as I liked the Orakpo selection, I like how the Jags brought in Tra Thomas and drafted Britton and Monroe to play tackle.

The most pressing need the team had--and was--exists in the quality and depth of the offensive line.

Yes, I know: the draft is over.

But let's hope Heyer decides to take charge of the right tackle position and proves to be a quality starter.

Otherwise, Orakpo can have a Suggs-type career, and it won't matter if the team can't score or block.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry

"...I love being a new dad, but I don't like that it cuts into my movie going..."

Two words: net-flix

Put the kid down for the night.

Open the red envelope, watch your dvd, and send it back pronto. (you get three at a time, btw)

I catch a decent movie with the wife two-three nights a week before bedtime and being told, "No, I already had sex today, I'm sorry you weren't there."

But I digress.

I order all kinds of films: from classic to stoner to subtitled-foreign to weird to gangsta to just bad movies.

The trick to being a parent?: don't let the kids interrupt your fun.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

what the f is netflix gonna do for me on wednesday when tranformers's comes out? it's the new movies that the kids kill you on not the released dvds.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Otherwise, Orakpo can have a Suggs-type career, and it won't matter if the team can't score or block.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 3:20 PM |

MistaMoe, stop pisssing in the Kool-aid.

Yeah, it could happen like this. And it could happen that RT is the most solid position on the team plus Orakpo is defensive ROY. We'll know after about the fourth game. For now, I'm believing Zorn's assessment of RT.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 22, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I am with T_E on this. We will not know nothin' about that line till after a look in pre-season and the first handful of games.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 22, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

4th,

Very nice article, indeed. I do like his approach on the player profiles. And in this case really like the player being profiled as well.

And will the H8rs please not what school helped this gentleman develop and grow. 'Canes, baby... 'canes.

Let's give a quality program some props for more than just developing talent, but character too.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 22, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

not to mention unknown/untested players britton/oher/monroe will have to prove themselves as being worthy of their selection.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

it's the new movies that the kids kill you on not the released dvds.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 3:24 PM

Like Clinton said, "it depends on what the definition of new is." When Transformers comes out, you put it on your Netflix list. When it's released on DVD, voila!, you're the first to see it in the new DVD edition.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 22, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

So, if Fred Smith sells his stake in the Redskins, who would buy it? Can Snyder spring for the $150 million? Here's an interesting idea: sell shares to the fans. Let the fans have an interest in the team and a voice on its decisions...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 22, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Uh... that's NOTE, not 'not'... durrr....


///maps///

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 22, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

So, if Fred Smith sells his stake in the Redskins, who would buy it? Can Snyder spring for the $150 million? Here's an interesting idea: sell shares to the fans. Let the fans have an interest in the team and a voice on its decisions...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 22, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I like it but I believe that the NFL banned fan/city ownership in that fashion (Green Bay has it but its grandfathered in)

Posted by: alex35332 | June 22, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

'Transformers' is why I like net-flix.

The whole cgi-thing is wack as every movie has it any more.

A avoid cgi-heavy movies as the adult in me stopped being impressed by it sometime after a saw 'Shrek'--that's 9 years ago.

"The Dark Knight: Batman" had very little cgi and told a great story and featured a the best performance: Heath Ledger as The Joker.

"A Quantum of Solace": awesome action scenes, and, well, a cool-a$$ed James Bond.

"No Country for Old Men": no cgi, just a lot of shootin', cussin', and killin'--my three favorite subjects in a movie.

Thing is, you can take your kids to see 'Transformers': it's a action-centered, little profanity, teenage boy fantasy cgi, blow'm up flick.

The rule is, if the movie has characters in a Happy Meal as a toy, the kids can see it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Fans already have an interest - they pay for everything....

vote w/ your wallet...

- That would be a pretty interesting experiment, though - the 'fan representative' in the FO.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 22, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Here's an interesting idea: sell shares to the fans. Let the fans have an interest in the team and a voice on its decisions...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 22, 2009 3:33 PM

This may be interesting to you, but why would it interest the majority owner, Dan Snyder?

There is one publicly owned team, the Packers, and apparently decision-making is a real issue without a principal owner. There's an executive committee and a Chairman of the Board like guy, but he's not very strong. It was a problem last year when they were trying to decide what to do about Favre.

In short, there's a good reason why 31 franchises are privately owned, not publicly owned.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 22, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Like Clinton said, "it depends on what the definition of new is." When Transformers comes out, you put it on your Netflix list. When it's released on DVD, voila!, you're the first to see it in the new DVD edition.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 22, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse
what kind of s@#t is that?
wait til christmas to see it when it comes out on dvd. I guess that works for yall, but certain movies u gotta see in the theater. I think they'll have transformers in IMAX this time, you can't get that from netflix.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse


"MistaMoe, stop pisssing in the Kool-aid."


(INSERT image of Moe doing the 'shake' and then fixing his zipper.)

What? I thought folks liked the flavor.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!



Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I think that Snyder is too leveraged to purchase another 10% share of the team which is why he had minority partners to be in compliance with the NFL's minimum equity requirements. Even if the overall value of the team has increased, it would seem more like one of the existing minority owners would have a shot at increasing their ownership. i.e. Dwight Schar, Chairman of NVR. I seriously doubt that Danny would bring in another minority owner if Smith had to sell his interest.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 22, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

the issue with my kid isn't the content of the movies, it's that my lil man gets to trippin now. He's 15 months so he's just getting his words. He'd ruin the movie for everyone else, eventually myself included.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

ts get some dirt rollin on Cerrato and Snyder on here, who gives a crap what the legal rammifications of some dumb ceo buying something is?

Posted by: BMACattack |

I do. The piece cured my Insomnia.

Now I'm going over to a business blog and see if some sports breaks out.

Posted by: TheCork | June 22, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

wait til christmas to see it when it comes out on dvd.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 3:40 PM

Oooh, Mommy, take me to the movie today! I can't wait! I have to see it now! If you don't take me, I'll hold my breath until I die!

I guess when your name is lilhollywood then you do have an excuse for not waiting.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 22, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I just saw The Dark Knight last night - yeah, it was good. Especially Heath Ledger acting as the Joker. I never saw anyone play that part as well as he did. I know, I'm late...

I haven't had a happy meal in years, '89, '90, I belive.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 22, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"For now, I'm believing Zorn's assessment of RT.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Yes, but isn't Zorn's assessment that it was arguably the weakest position we had last year, and that we currently don't have a starter?

Maybe Moe is correct in turning that blue kool-aide a little green...

Posted by: psps23 | June 22, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I am with Moe, I like less CGI over more. Everything has its place but you get more of an idea for the directors talents with out CGI, and not to mention the computers still are not quite there.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 22, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

And will the H8rs please not what school helped this gentleman develop and grow. 'Canes, baby... 'canes.

Posted by: DikShuttle

Many attend Miami just for their English department which has eliminated verbs.

Posted by: TheCork | June 22, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I am with Moe, I like less CGI over more. Everything has its place but you get more of an idea for the directors talents with out CGI, and not to mention the computers still are not quite there.
Posted by: alex35332 | June 22, 2009 3:48 PM

That’s what was good about the Hellboy movies….the director/producer went “old school” and used as many costumes rather than CGI as possible….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 22, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"I am with Moe, I like less CGI over more. Everything has its place but you get more of an idea for the directors talents with out CGI"

But now you're discriminating against the hard-working animations crew. Can't we just have the best of both worlds? (I'm thinking of the original Matrix, even if the subsequent sequals ruined it. Oh, and Lord of the Rings. Yea, I'm a geek.)

Posted by: psps23 | June 22, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

wait til christmas to see it when it comes out on dvd.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 3:40 PM

Oooh, Mommy, take me to the movie today! I can't wait! I have to see it now! If you don't take me, I'll hold my breath until I die!

I guess when your name is lilhollywood then you do have an excuse for not waiting.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 22, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

liked the first one, wanna see the new one. the only mom takin me to the movies is mamma T_E.

B/c of my aforementioned demon, i don't go to the movies much. I really get up for the good ones.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

just saw The Dark Knight last night - yeah, it was good. Especially Heath Ledger acting as the Joker. I never saw anyone play that part as well as he did. I know, I'm late...

I haven't had a happy meal in years, '89, '90, I belive.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 22, 2009 3:46 PM

No. I saw it for the first time over the weekend too! (HBO).

That. Movie. Sucked. Big. TIME!. Save for the Joker. He was the only good/great character. It sucked so bad I never got to understand why everyone hated BAtman? Nobody liked the sucker in the whole movie. Not even his new Butler or old GF. It wasn't even worth hitting rewind on the DVR because the movie was already 2 1/2 hours long.

(Now wait another 8-10 months and I'll tell you about Hungover)

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I seriously doubt that Danny would bring in another minority owner if Smith had to sell his interest.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 22, 2009 3:43 PM

We'll know something's up ifHolmgren, Shanahan, or Cowher buys a 3% or 5% stake in the team.

But I don't know why you think Snyder is too leveraged to buy Smith out. I thought he'd paid down some of his debt since buying the club. It has had great cash flow.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 22, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze1,
That is why Deltoro is being looked at as the next great filmmaker and was handpicked to do "The Hobbit" the man is a true master of fiction. I heard a interview with him where he was talking about how he creates his monsters, thinks of how you would describe the animal in a biology class and national geographic special, not as a monster like a great white, but more as a study on elephants.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 22, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I am looking forward to the Hobbit, one of the first really good books I ever read.

Dark Night in my book was awesome……I’ll take Nicholson over Ledger though.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 22, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

ledger over nicholson all day that!
didn't jack sing in the 1st batman?

clooney over bale. i think it's the fake batman voice that messes it up for bale. the voice is enough to make the city hate batman i think.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

joking bout clooney, serious bout bale's voice

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

didn't jack sing in the 1st batman?
-no. He did dance.


Posted by: alex35332 | June 22, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

i though it was a song and dance routine with jack and like, prince and the revolution

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Jack did not sing.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 22, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

lil, I could never accept the new Batman voice neither. he just sounded strange...

4th, see you already know. I DVR'd it a couple of days ago, and since Sunday is the chill day for me I decided to watch it.

*Off Subject* Married dudes: Is it true that you lose Sundays once you get married? I have a lady friend that is suggesting that when she gets married, her husband must devote Sundays to things like arts & crafts. I said to myself this "woman" is crazy...*End Off Subject*

I wouldn't say it sucked though, (I did have to rewind it a couple of times due to getting up - you miss five mins. it's more like 15). I think you have to forget about the Batman movies that preceded it. (Danny Elfman theme music included) I couldn't watch Batman Begins for that very reason, but since The Dark Knight was cool with me, I may try and watch Batman Begins - again.

Heath Ledger was a beast in that movie. I really thought the scene with him fleeing in the cop cars was cool. It made me think to myself: This is one sick bastard!

Oh and psps, if you post on blogs, message boards, or whatever, you have a little geek in you.

I do, we all do.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 22, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Ledger over Jack.

Jack is the same in all of his movies. Ledger made that movie.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 22, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Michael Keaton is, and will always be THE Batman.

Batman was my favorite super hero growing up. He had the best car, best toys "where does he get those wonderful toys?", and he got the woman as either Batman or Bruce Wayne.

And he was stank rich.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 22, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

a reason to go see the movie the day or weekend it comes out, right red. remember what the lines were like when the first batman movie came out?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

yeah, I really don't understand this - my daughter is freakin' out because she blew her whole pay check and can't see Transformers, like the very minute it comes out. What, people can't wait for the weekend anymore?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 22, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Michael Keaton = Best BAtman movie of recent. Clooney - No Way. Kilmer - MAybe Way. Bale freakin Bale - Is he even American Way?

But, that Prince album was the joint back in the day!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Great piece on Dixon.
Thanks 4th

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 22, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

yeah, I really don't understand this - my daughter is freakin' out because she blew her whole pay check and can't see Transformers, like the very minute it comes out. What, people can't wait for the weekend anymore?


Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 22, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse
I don't know your preferences JDH but is there a series on tv that you really like? Personally i like true blood. The new season just started last weekend and i can tell you about at least 4 different "viewing" parties for the premier. I'd say it's the same thing for movies with sequels/prequels/series. I don't know many people that really liked true blood, that waited until the next day or two days after the premier to watch it (if they could help it).

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

JDH, by the way, i started to appreciate the mid-week movie release b/c there would be fewer groups of teens/tweens in the theater. Midnight releases are good for that too. I like being able to go into the movie and sit down and not have a buch of kids hopped up on bulk candy yappin next or behind me during the whole film.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

well, there is that, lilhollywood, just never saw the benefit of waiting in lines, and being in a crowded theatre, if I could avoid it by waiting two days.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 22, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

*Off Subject* Married dudes: Is it true that you lose Sundays once you get married? I have a lady friend that is suggesting that when she gets married, her husband must devote Sundays to things like arts & crafts. I said to myself this "woman" is crazy...*End Off Subject*

Posted by: RedDMV | June 22, 2009 4:24 PM

Once you are married, wife time basically starts 00:00 Sunday doesn't end until 24:00 Saturday. All other time is yours

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 22, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

you don't have to wait in line if you wait two days? why doesn't everyone do that?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

JDH, by the way, i started to appreciate the mid-week movie release b/c there would be fewer groups of teens/tweens in the theater. Midnight releases are good for that too. I like being able to go into the movie and sit down and not have a buch of kids hopped up on bulk candy yappin next or behind me during the whole film.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 5:00 PM

We have new Cobb Cinebistro have to be 21+ to get in, reserved seating, adult drinks and resturant type fair. Cost more but the kick out people who misbehave

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 22, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

sounds cool. can u smoke in there?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 22, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

no indoor smoking in FL except for bars

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 22, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts and prayers to those on the Red Line collision.

That could have been any of us........

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I can't even believe the Batman stuff up here I just read. How you don't think Batman Begins/The Dark Knight is the greatest Batman depiction is beyond my understanding. If you've ever read a Batman comic or understand the backstory and premise for Batman, this is the darkest and most realistic version of Batman to date (within the realm of the character, of course--I hate to use that word for something fiction). The Christopher Nolan depiction CRUSHES anything that Tim Burton did.

Red, while Michael Keaton was the best of the other line of Batman films (Clooney was a mockery of Batman, and Billy Kilmer would have been a better pick than Val), Bale is the best overall and played this role BRILLIANTLY. As Bruce Wayne, he's triple-fisting chicks in both films and as Batman he completely kicks ass. I'll concur that the voice is a bit over the top, but even in Batman: The Animated Series there was a different voice for Bruce/Batman. You have to do it that way. Otherwise you just have Bruce Wayne dressed up like Batman.

My only gripe with The Dark Knight was 1)Maggie Gylenhaal as Rachel Dawes. Awful idea. And 2) just arbitrarily throwing in Two-Face at the end and killing him off immediately. Almost as if they just wanted to show off the CGI of making Two-Face and not much else. Otherwise, it's the greatest superhero flick of all time.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 22, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

We'll know something's up ifHolmgren, Shanahan, or Cowher buys a 3% or 5% stake in the team.

But I don't know why you think Snyder is too leveraged to buy Smith out. I thought he'd paid down some of his debt since buying the club. It has had great cash flow.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 22, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse
____________

It appears to be true that he's had great cash flow from the Redskins, but we don't have a firm grasp on The Danny's overall cash flow. Who knows if he's stashing the net cash from our beloved Skins into another investment or has actually used the Skins as leverage somewhere else (I haven't heard that, though). Six Flags is in the crapper, and lord only knows how Johnny Rockets and his stake in the movie production studio (is it Paramount? I forget) investment is doing. Maybe he can't swing enough leverage or enough straight cash to buy someone out. I'd doubt it, but we really don't know and therefore shouldn't assume. Just my thoughts.

Posted by: skinsfan213 | June 22, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Our blog is turning to poop. Hate to say it but I miss JaLa.

Posted by: murphyz | June 22, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Our blog is turning to poop. Hate to say it but I miss JaLa.

Posted by: murphyz | June 22, 2009 7:49 PM

Right...because he would have kept things moving along. (end sarcasm)

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 22, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Could help the depth at safety if/when the Skins go for it:

Raiders’ Huff Could Be Cut If He Doesn’t Win Starting Job
Posted by Aaron Wilson on June 22, 2009, 7:32 p.m.
Oakland Raiders safety Michael Huff might not want to get too attached to his helmet, shoulder pads and roster spot, which has reportedly become tenuous.

Huff lost his starting job last season to Hiram Eugene. And the former No. 7 overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft could find himself on the chopping block if he doesn’t reclaim a starting job this season, according to Pro Football Weekly.

Huff has only intercepted one career pass in three seasons and 39 starts.

Citing sources, the report stated that Raiders owner Al Davis’ patience is wearing thin, adding that Huff “has yet to show signs of figuring things out this offseason.”

Huff is playing under a six-year, $43 million contract that included $16 million in guaranteed money.

Huff, 26, was a consensus All-American at the University of Texas who won the Jim Thorpe Award as the nation’s top defensive back.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 22, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

murphyz...what was your username in the previous JaLa blog?

Posted by: Vicc | June 22, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Michael Huff?, ummmmm..I'll pass.

Unless there is any truth to those PFT Laron Landry trade rumors. LLS

Posted by: Vicc | June 22, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I say we trade the FedEx naming rights to Smith for a #2 draft pick next year and a 3rd in 2011.

Heck, Johnny Rockets Field, why not?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 22, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

"...Michael Keaton was the best of the other line of Batman films..."

There is no way this is true.

Bale v. Keaton: Bale wins.

Why?

"Batman" fans know he is an angst-driven dude deaing with more issues than a newspaper. Bale pulls off the double-nature of his character while Keaton comes across as an actor trying not to crack a joke.

Plus: Keaton's Batman movies are empty '90s cartoons where the stars are visible than the characters they are portraying.

That's not acting, that's called, "Mailing it in."

Yeah: the great failure of "The Dark Knight" is the wack idea that Batman has to have some deep voice of gravitas.

Bale's fake Batman voice works like an adult film star using a fake you-know-what to perform: it doesn't sound right and becomes comical after a while.

But that't the job of the people running post-production with a film, not the actor's.

Check out Bale in "Red Dawn" and "3:10 to Yuma" before you pass judgement on him. The guy is a good actor.

Keaton is done.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"Raiders’ Huff Could Be Cut If He Doesn’t Win Starting Job"

This story is annoying and frightful.

Why?: is it me or does it seem like more and more players from schools like Texas and Oklahoma aren't the stellar pros they used to be.

The SEC/ACC both continue to be the NFL Triple A affiliates while the Big 10, Pac 10, and Big 12 seemed to have fallen down and can't get up.

Why does this story make me worry?: the redskins have selected Brian Orakpo--Texas--and skins' fans dream of him sacking countless quarterbacks.

Let's hope Orakpo doesn't equal M Huff.

Huff was a dynamite college player who seems to have gone bust in the NFL limelight.

I know this point of view poisons the kool aid folks in this blog are drinking, and I hope I'm wrong.

Hey, don't worry. There's no 'pee' in it.

Promise.

Here. Let me poor you another glass.

(INSERT image of grinning chesire cat smiling Moe pouring tainted red kool aid into some poor bloggas' glass)

Drink up!

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

'the dark knight' was only concerned with selling the villian, Joker.

as a result they dumbed down the rest of the characters and threw plot coherence out the window.

How did the mobsters get so rich by being so dumb, allowing Joker to burn his half the loot without killing the BatMan?

Posted by: Vicc | June 22, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

"Why?: is it me or does it seem like more and more players from schools like Texas and Oklahoma aren't the stellar pros they used to be."

Moe,

I've noticed that as well about the Big 12.
To some degree I think it matters which conference/school a player came from.

Posted by: Vicc | June 22, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

If you're gonna draft O-lineman, the safest conference is the Big Ten.

Posted by: Vicc | June 22, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse


""[Brian] Cushing has been a starter since the day he got off the bus.''
--Houston coach Gary Kubiak, on his first-round draft pick from USC "


May I remind everyone I was high on Cushing going into the draft and thought he was worth looking at.

I was not high on Orakpo going into the draft.

Cushing will > Orakpo in da leaaague.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 22, 2009 1:35 PM

This is when the truth becomes "true lies"
Orakpo all the way.

Posted by: abxinc | June 22, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

(INSERT image of grinning chesire cat smiling Moe pouring tainted red kool aid into some poor bloggas' glass)

Drink up!

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 8:56 PM

Hey, Moe the red koolaid looks orange, but it doesn't taste orange.

Moe, what a crock. Huff didn't do well. Orakpo went to the same school. So we should all worry.

I always thought it had more to do with the player than where he went to school. Unless they went to Georgia, of course, and were complete wussies.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 22, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Drink up!

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse
Ahhhhhh! Hail! 19 & 0 baby. Thanks Moe.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 22, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I always thought it had more to do with the player than where he went to school. Unless they went to Georgia, of course, and were complete wussies.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 22, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, TE. and how he is coached, and how he is used in the O or D. Rak will really help us this year, and will be a beast in years to come.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 22, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

The two best Batmans are the latest Dark Knight and the first Tim Burton one....the rest suck except Batman Begins is OK.

I love Nichlsons Joker and in context of the time it was a great version of the character. Although I give a slight nod to Ledger. But hey Jack didnt have the benifit of the macabre aspect of being dead...

The first Burton Batman, along with Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns, took Batman of the scrap heap and reinvented him. Sure the Burton Batman might look a bit corny NOW but was really brilliant at the time.

Bale, is a good actor, but he bugs me at times. I still like Keaton better. Moe your read on that is ridiculous, and Keaton can be the man and has chops. He will always be A-OK in my book for Night Shift/Mr. Mom and Gung Ho.

I did that you dig Movies Mo, but I dont often agree with your take (and no siht on Netflix, but I still enjoy seeing somethings in the theatre)

Also Moe Christian Bale was not in Red Dawn!!!!!!!! (Wolverines!!!!!) You are thinking of Rescue Dawn..

Oh and Moe, the Hangover was hysterical, and the Watchmen succeeded more than it failed.

Phew...and oh yeah F suburban stadiums, FedEx naming rights and anti-tailgating rules!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 22, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry

"Christian Bale was not in Red Dawn!!!!!!!!You are thinking of Rescue Dawn."


I stand corrected.

Check out "3:10 to Yuma" btw.

Bale is okay in "American Psycho," too.

"Quantum of Solace"--very violent, tons of action.

There's a film called "Lakeview Terrace" that no one went to see that's kinda good.

"Benjiman Button" is good and very long.

I don't get the Tyler Perry in old lady drag movies--I'm sorry.

And the torture porn films like "Saw" and "Hostel" are too much for an old guy like me.

The following actors haven't made a good movie in years: T Hanks, T Cruise, E Murphy, Flounder21, Will Smith.

Someone mentioned "The Hobbit" film and, yes, I will admit to wanting to see it.

The whole "Lord of the Rings" deal is massively great viewing.

As is Russell Crowe in "Gladiator": I've seen it 10 times.

I could bore you to death with chatta about old movies, but hey, black and white flicks tend to put young people to sleep.

And I do see movies in theaters.

The wife and I see a film a month.

We'll see "Public Enemies" then, here's a hoot, "Transformers," this weekend.

It's just that I don't get that rush to go out and see something that makes me think, "This wasn't worth rushing to the theater. It'll be just as good on dvd."

And congrats on having kids.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 23, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

"...what a crock. Huff didn't do well. Orakpo went to the same school...I always thought it had more to do with the player than where he went to school."

Yes: to an extent it does.

And if it didn't, why do team avoid Penn State running backs, Big Ten linebackers, WAC quarterbacks, and quarterbacks from schools that run the 'spread' offense?

If it's the athlete and not the school, why does any of what I listed above happen?

Shouldn't both Tommy Chang and Colt Brennan have been drafted higher based on their college performance?

They weren't.

Why?: where they went to school and the system they learned there.

Not to be rude, t_e, but I can't think of any dominate Big 12 NFL players off the top of my head in the same way I can say, "Albert Haynesworth, Tenn., SEC."

I hope Orakpo succeeds.

For our sake.


Posted by: MistaMoe | June 23, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

cL beat me on Christian bale in Red Dawn, on of my favorite movies.

With you though Moe on the old movies. Love many of the black and white movies with one of my favorites being 12 Angry Men.

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 23, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Not to be rude, t_e, but I can't think of any dominate Big 12 NFL players off the top of my head in the same way I can say, "Albert Haynesworth, Tenn., SEC."

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 23, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse


I'll give you one Moe: "Adrian Peterson, Okla., Big 12" and they even had a player on defense(hint:DT) that might fit the description as well.

For the most part I agree with you though, but I tend to take it a step farther, as you did when explaining to t_e, and I break it down into positions with respect to school/conference.

I can't think of any succesful OU wide receptors as of late? Could Malcolm Kelly break the mold?

Posted by: Vicc | June 23, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

"I can't think of any succesful OU wide receptors as of late? Could Malcolm Kelly break the mold?"


How could I not think of Adrian Peterson?

And slight the Big 12 at the same time?

And there's Nathan Vasher--Texas, a decent player for the Bears.

Da bears also took a wide receiver--Juaquin Iglesias, OU this season to give Cutler another guy to overthrown.

And the young OU lineman--Gerald McCoy, will be a high pick in 2010.

I liked Phil Loadholt--OU and thought he'd make a good right tackle for us this year, but hey, I guess Vinny is down on Big 12 lineman.

Except M Williams and D Dockery--Texas.

Rob Jackson went to Kansas State--and sits at FEDEX Field most Sundays.

Cody "The Ticketmaster" Glenn went to Nebraska: talk about a school that's fallen down NFL talent-wise.

Let's hope Kelly is a player. Thing is, if he's not, he'll eat up a roster spot just because he was a second round pick.

Ain't that a stinker?

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 23, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

The kids will continue living in their Wernersville, Pennsylvania, home, the couple say. Each parent will stay there during their time with them. And despite the separation, the show will go on. The couple say they will continue to be a part of "Jon & Kate Plus 8," but instead film their time with the kids separately.

OK ... I've never seen the show ... but don't you turn the cameras off and work on the marriage ... not the other way around?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 23, 2009 2:08 AM | Report abuse

How did the mobsters get so rich by being so dumb, allowing Joker to burn his half the loot without killing the BatMan?

Posted by: Vicc | June 22, 2009 9:04 PM

I'm pretty sure they gave him all that money because he brought them the Lau guy that was about to testify against them all. And I think that they believed Batman dead because he was supposed to be caught in the same blast that killed Rachel and made Harvey into Two-Face.

I couldn't disagree more with your take on The Dark Knight. To say this movie had no plot is ridiculous and short-sighted. If you didn't like it, that's fine. But there was more plot in that movie than ANY of the 4 movies prior to the Nolan version COMBINED.

And Moe, I think you misunderstood my statement from last night: Bale is far and away the best Batman. I said that Keaton was the best Batman of the 4 movies that preceded the Nolan version. Bale better embodies the conflict of Bruce Wayne/Batman but to be fair, movie-goers would not have been ready for the darkness of the Nolan films back in the late 80s/early 90s. For what Batman on film was back then, Keaton was a great pick.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 6:07 AM | Report abuse

By the way, this tailgating thing isn't nearly as bad as I thought it was. Sounds like you just take up a bunch of spaces to do it up front, but you can pretty much do what you want toward the back of the lot. It's a bit of an inconvience for folks that have a tradition up front, but it's better for everyone instead of the few that come really early.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 6:13 AM | Report abuse

Moe, Vicc,

So, stereotypes are still okay in football, right? I thought stereotypes went out with Archie Bunker, but I guess that type of thinking is with us forever. (This is me, stereotyping stereotypical thinking.)

Evaluating guys based on where they went to school is crazy. According to you two, no one would have drafted Darrell Green. Now Orakpo is a risk before his first game because he went to Texas which is in the Big 12.

Texas is ninth all-time in NFL players, 309. Nebraska is fifth (326), OU is fourth(330). The highest SEC school is Tennessee, seventh with 317.

Big 10 is "safest" for OL? Yeah, Andre Smith, Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, Michael Oher, Ebben Britton, Phil Loadholt, Sebastian Vollmer, William Beatty, Alex Mack, Eric Wood, Andy Levitre, Robert Brewster (Ball State) are all riskier prospects than the first Big 10 OL taken in this year's draft -- Craig Urbik from Wisconsin (third round). These 12, you're taking a chance but Urbik's got success written all over him, coming from the Big 10.

Colt Brennan's no good because he went to Hawaii? Maybe it has something to do with his throwing motion.

Avoid Big Ten linebackers? Yeah there's never been a decent one yet to come out of Penn State.

Penn State running backs? Franco Harris was okay at Penn State but never could get it going in the NFL.

While we're at it, which school has the hottest cheerleaders? I'm going with Howard, but you guys are better at this stuff than I am, so have at me.

etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 23, 2009 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Finally, T_E...something we can agree on. You really can't generalize based on school, but once you're in the NFL there's only one rule here:

Avoid former Cowboys in free agency.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 7:17 AM | Report abuse

if we're talking Michael Keaton, then 'Multiplicity' needs to be involved. By far, his best work....

"I like piztha"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 23, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

The blog is DEAD!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

The blog is DEAD!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 8:39 AM

We're in OBA's -- Organized Blog Activities. Too many guys thing they're Laron Landry. Too few think they're Chad Reinhard.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 23, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

True, but it is the mayor's job to look out for the best interest of his/her constituency. Building a new stadium in DC would have been best for the District. This is not just retrospective talk either. Most people realized it then. She did not have to take the sexual harrassment (she could have sued the "billionaire bully" if she wanted), but she did not do what was best for the city, letting a personal grievance stand in the way. That is not acceptable.

Posted by: moosepod

If I remember correctly, Mr. Cooke re-transformed into the predatorial real estate land shark that made him millions, and refused to foot large quantities of the cost for a new downtown stadium, expecting the largely poor black population to carry the load through DC taxhikes..Not Sharon Pratt's fault at all..

Posted by: frak | June 23, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

I think I'm the blog equivalent of Marcus Mason....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 23, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

How did the mobsters get so rich by being so dumb, allowing Joker to burn his half the loot without killing the BatMan?

Posted by: Vicc |

Obama's smile bears an uncanny resemblance to the Joker's...

Posted by: frak | June 23, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Comparing Batman 89 and Dark Knight is unfair IMHO.

Batman 89 was based off the 60's and earlier comics. Dark Knight was about the 90's/00's batman.


89 was based of the older Blue/Gray batman, a lot of color, campy one liners, super science and magic. Dark Knight was based off the Black Batman and realism.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

If I remember correctly, Mr. Cooke re-transformed into the predatorial real estate land shark that made him millions, and refused to foot large quantities of the cost for a new downtown stadium, expecting the largely poor black population to carry the load through DC taxhikes..Not Sharon Pratt's fault at all..

Posted by: frak | June 23, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Reed the Barry interview that was linked up on the Bog. Barry gave a first hand account on what happened, that they had changed Cookes mind to agree to a deal similar to what DCU was going to get for their stadium (City takes care of land and infrastructure, team builds stadium)

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

Nobody is trafficking in stereotypes.

The point was that it seems some big time schools--Texas/Oklahoma--have fallen on hard times when it comes to NFL prospects.

Yes, Penn State's Franco Harris was good. But Ki-Jana Carter, Curtis Enis, and Blair Thomas, naaaaaaw.

And compare Ray Lewis, Jon Beason, Rocky McIntosh to any other Penn State linebackers presently in the league.

Colt Brennan?: his numbers at Hawaii were great, but his performance against LSU in the Sugar Bowl is what damned him.

Our point is that many of the big time college football programs have hit a lull in NFL prospects as quality players coming out of high now go to where they can play, and don't want to 'redshirt' or sit deep on a depth chart.

In Florida, FSU/UM/UF continue to snag talent, but with options now, kids head to other state schools or venture up north knowing they'll have a better shot at playing for a shot at NFL riches.

No one thinks B Orakpo will fail just because he went to Texas.

But there was a day and time when a kid from schools like Texas, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Penn State, Syracuse, Oklahoma, Colorado would be quality NFL players without question.

Wowever, when you look at the likes of Micheal Huff--Texas and Mark Clayton--Oklahoma, you realise that day has long passed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 23, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Comparing Batman 89 and Dark Knight is unfair IMHO.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 8:57 AM

Agreed. That's why it drives me nuts that people complain about Christian Bale in the Nolan version and then wax poetic about Michael Keaton. Batman is supposed to be a tormented soul, a man obsessed. While early portrayals made him more comical, the current incarnation is more reflective of what the character is supposed to be, at least based on the comics.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Exactly. Also Keaton's Batman was supposed to be a bit older then Bale's and more adjusted, along with the fact that the two had completely different origins stories, with Bale's having done the lost rebelling soul that finds order in the league of shadows and Keaton's character never dropped out of society in that same way.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Today, we load the minivan and head to Orlando to confront the rat known as Disney.

If I'm lucky, Dwight Howard has stopped flexing his muscles in acknowledgement that the NBA playoffs are over--as if anybody noticed.

Family trips were fun when the kids were little.

But my daughters are in their late teens, and turn their ipods off only when the thought of asking for money crosses their minds.

One of them is in love with a guy who doesn't like sports.

He seems trapped in a closet, buut that's another story.

The guy's only sports clothing is a Harvard football jersey.

He admits to never having watched a Super Bowl or any other sports' championship.

He says the Food Channel is the best thing on tv.

I know what you're thinking, and, let me tell ya', I'm feeling the same thing.

He'd fish but for his fear of worms. My daughter says he'd kiss but for his fear of lips.

We have awkward conversations where it's obvious to me standing up while urinating is the only male-oriented activity he has ever engaged in.

But today and tomorrow, a small fortune will be spent on what Dr. Phil calls, "Quality family time," standing in long lines and eating massively overpriced food.

I hope the blog lives long and prospers.

I'm out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 23, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

dude how is this helping the OFFENSIVE LINE????.....

Posted by: impervious99 | June 23, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

moe, you're bringing it with your posts lately...yesterday's one about the blond child, and this one are comedy gold.....have fun...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 23, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

if we're talking Michael Keaton, then 'Multiplicity' needs to be involved. By far, his best work....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 23, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse


2 words: Johnny Dangerously.

The Dark Knight was a masterpiece. Batman Begins was excellent. Comparing these movies to the '89 version is apples and oranges. Each were great in their own ways.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Will the season please start some of these posts are ridiculous!!! Brian Cushing give me a break I doubt we will hear his name mentioned at all this season.

Orakpo was not only the collge football player of the year last year but now in the pros although it will be a transition this guy is playing with some very good teamamtes that will push him on the defensive side of the ball. Playing with Londo Fletcher, Griff, Haynesworth etc Orakpo will flourish if Blache allows him to play at his strengths

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | June 23, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

dude how is this helping the OFFENSIVE LINE????.....

Posted by: impervious99 | June 23, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

We should get Bane to play RT though the juicing may be an issue.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

The Dark Knight was a masterpiece. Batman Begins was excellent. Comparing these movies to the '89 version is apples and oranges. Each were great in their own ways.


Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 9:28 AM

Well said. But I think we can all agree that the one with Clooney was the worst thing to ever happen to the Batman franchise. The only thing positive about that movie is that it's unanimously considered bad enough to NEVER show on TV.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Christopher Nolan might be my favorite Director right now. The Dark Knight, Batman Begins, The Prestige, Memento, all brilliant. He's on a short list of Directors that as soon as you see his name, you feel like you have to see the movie.

Posted by: psps23 | June 23, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Yes Clooney batman was awful. What was with Gotham having giant statues anyway, same with Val'bat and the horrific job done on the villains.

The real question is, could you ever put Robin or bat-girl in the new batman and make it work, I felt if you re-worked the character, make them more scouts and spies for Batman, and non-action types it could work?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

We should get Bane to play RT though the juicing may be an issue.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 9:35 AM

I'd actually play him at DE...he won't have elite speed, but who needs to be fast when you can crush the spinal column of 2 offensive linemen AND the QB? They'd have to go to more than 3 QBs on a roster in the NFC East...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"Batman 89 was based off the 60's and earlier comics. Dark Knight was about the 90's/00's batman."

You actually could not be more wrong the Burton Batmans were at their time a return to the dark Batman. They were the antithesis of the TV Batman. The Burton Batman's main inspiration was Frank Miller's reinvention/return to form of the character in his Dark Knight Returns graphic novels. Now do the Burton Batmans look a bit dated/corny now...yes...but that was BECAUSE Burton help return Batman on a darker course that continued in the comics. It was actually the Joel Schumacker batmans that reconnected to the cheesy 60s Batman and almost wrecked the movie franchise. But Nolan's Batman was built off the work of Miller & Burton.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 23, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

The real question is, could you ever put Robin or bat-girl in the new batman and make it work, I felt if you re-worked the character, make them more scouts and spies for Batman, and non-action types it could work?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 9:45 AM

Nolan has tweaked the hell out of some of the story lines in the first two movies, so I could see that happening. I've heard him say in interviews that he won't ever put Robin in any of his movies...which may or may not count for much since it's not a lock he'll do the 3rd film. But I think they can still put together a quality film without having to throw Robin or Batgirl into the mix.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

heh - I actually liked the Schumacher batmans!

c'mon - pre-fiddy Vivica Fox in a white negligee??!! Kabam Pow Boom, indeed!

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 23, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Oh - and on the serious side:

Let's all take a moment to acknowlegde the tragedy on the Red Line yesterday.

My prayers go out to the families effected by the horrible accident.

It was inexcuseable and unneccessary. May something this terrible never happen again.

Thank you to the heroes who helped people to safety.

On with the blog...

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 23, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I don't see where you can't throw a serious Robin or Batgirl in. It shouldn't be a stretch.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 23, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I have heard Nolan and Bale are not into doing a 3rd movie due to Ledgers death. I think WB has to wait 3-4 years if they want those two because Nolan was planing on 3 being all about the joker again.

If those 2 don't come back for the next one I would like to see a entire movie from the POV of a villin where you never see Bruce Wayne just the bat.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Christian Bale was in Rescue Dawn not Red Dawn. Red Dawn was the Patrick Swayze movie when the Russians invaded America.

Posted by: mrlowery1 | June 23, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

DikShuttle
I have heard many great stories of heroism from yesterday on the news. Tragic turnings can bring out the best of people.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Schwartzenegger as Mr Freeze didn't help much either. I thought Patrick Stewart would've done well in that role. It woudln't have kept the movie from sucking but he'd be better than Arnold.

Do we know who will be the next villain? Ledger is a tough act to follow.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

They have yet to write the 3rd film I hear. Rumors were it was gonna be the joker, then they were thinking riddler (Johnny Depp was being talked about for that role).

The list of Batman villains who work with Nolan's realism is shortened. Joker was a stretch to begin with as was 2-face, though they had to kill him off quick to keep him real. I could never see Penguin or Catwoman or manbat.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I think the Penguin could work if they play him as a crime boss type of character rather than an actual penguin/mutant like DeVito played it.

Not sure how about the Riddler.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I have heard Nolan and Bale are not into doing a 3rd movie due to Ledgers death. I think WB has to wait 3-4 years if they want those two because Nolan was planing on 3 being all about the joker again.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 10:02 AM

I think that would've been a mistake to do 2 movies with the same villian. Even though they didn't kill Joker in the movie, you've gotta move on to another villian to keep the story fresh. If you wanna bring Joker back in a 4th or 5th film, I could dig on that. But two in a row would be overkill.

Johnny Depp as the Riddler would be GREAT. I hope that's true.

And good pull from Original_etrod...Patrick Stewart would have been an absolute MONEY Mr. Freeze! However, any Batman movie that is desperate enough to resort to using Freeze as a villian will likely fail anyway.

The big mistake that first batch of movies made was pulling out villians two at a time. One villian, one story line. Most movie goers are ADD anyway. Keep it simple.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I think any talk of realism in a super-hero flick is a bit of a stretch. The whole point is the mythology.

But I can recognize a sliding scale in the production of these things. And I can see where fans would want their hero to be taken somewhat seriously.

However, I actually enjoy the full-camp versions just as much, though in a different fashion. Leguizamo in Spawn - classic. 80's Swamp thing was awesome. (Thank you Adrianne Barbeau!)

I just think you need to adjust your perspective for the production. You don't ask your free-floating linebacker to be a three point stance rusher. You don't ask your route running H back to be the deep threat. You don't ask your satirical fantacist (is that a word?!) director to give you hope against domestic terrorism.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 23, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Umm...Robin as a serious character? This is the dude in like, yellow leggings, red tunic, little "R" on his chest so he doesen't forget his name?

Kick 'em to the curb. No need for him in the movies.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 23, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Swamp Thing, wow. I haven't seen it in years. Great flick, though.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Oh crap - The Riddler? The dude with the question marks on his suit could play him - he gets caught up in his quest to help people get money from the government, goes to work for Halliburton and slips over into the Dark Side.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 23, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Its an intellectual tap out to keep adding more big bad guys in each film to simply up the stakes. Technically the last 2 movies had more then 1 villain but they did it smart. Begins had Scarecrow+Raj. DK had Scarecrow+Joker+2face. I would love to see a all scarecrow movie, make him go crazier.

I dunno if anyone has seen Depp's Mad Hatter look for Alice In Wonderland yet, shocker he has whiteface. http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b130460_johnny_depp_alice_in_wonderlands_mad.html

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

John, you can re-work the Robin character design just like they did with the Bat-man.

Remember Adam West's borderline homo-erotic costume? You don't see much of that in the current films. No need for Robin to be a 'boy-toy'.

But the function of the character is important in the mythology. The Robin character becomes an outward link between the Batman and humanity. Without Robin, the Batman can easily be just another competing villan. C'mon, a rich war-profiteer who beats up other rich guys?! It's like he's taking out his competition.

Once he begins to care for the orphan and open up a little, his greatness becomes apparent. Before then, still dicey.

I can understand adjusting the liturgy for more modern times, but the central characters still serve an integral purpose.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 23, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

The mistake they made with Robin was putting him in the 3rd movie in the same red and green, when batman went to black so should have robin.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Dik - fair enough - Knowing the origins of "the" Batman, I can accept him as a somewhat dark character. With Robin, though, I'm still stuck with an image of a TV character - it would work the way you describe it, I should think.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 23, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Generally, I don't like bloodless violence. I give much props to the Dark Knight. It made you cringe without you even seeing what happened.

But I am looking forward to Inglorious Bastards. Nothing will be left to the imagination in that one.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 23, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see Robin like I said. A younger kid (not a 20 something playing a 16 year old) who maybe spies for batman on the mob, while batman is running from the law.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

It should be pointed out that the trend with superhero movies shows that the third movie as the franchise killer.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Acutally, it's the trend with most move franchises.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, Dik. When you say it like that, it makes it sound like it could work.

And with Nolan, I won't doubt him again. I thought WTF when they announced Bale as Batman and then Ledger as Joker. After seeing their respective performances, no one has done better.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

This Batman conversation, IMO, ranks better than some actual football discussions.

Keep bangin' joe.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 23, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

RIP Ed McMahon

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to cause such a stir. Shows I don't care about Batman all that much, save for Adam West's Character, which I fully followed. It all made sense. He was a Big Money Playboy who liked to Play SuperHero and was loved as both for the most part.

What I gathered from the little attention I payed to Dark Knight was he was a Arrogant A-Hole Playboy that did anything he wanted to do and he liked to play Super Hero, though no one asked him to. And because of his dabaling in 'policing', he agitated the criminals more and at the end caused more death and destruction then if he had never played a super hero.

Is that accurate?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 23, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

4th,

I'd say that he's a hero who keeps his cover by pretending to be an arrogant a-hole playboy. The death and destruction part is about right, though.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

OK ... I've never seen the show ... but don't you turn the cameras off and work on the marriage ... not the other way around?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 23, 2009 2:08 AM

The biggest equation you are missing:

$75,000 per show. Money or MArriage and kid's stability? They choose the money.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 23, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

What I gathered from the little attention I payed to Dark Knight was he was a Arrogant A-Hole Playboy that did anything he wanted to do and he liked to play Super Hero, though no one asked him to. And because of his dabaling in 'policing', he agitated the criminals more and at the end caused more death and destruction then if he had never played a super hero.

Is that accurate?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 23, 2009 11:06 AM


Somewhat...

The arrogant a-hole playboy thing is a cover for why he's nowhere to be seen at night and comes up with nasty scars and bruises. They detailed that pretty well in Batman Begins.

As for the 60s Batman...that's not what the character is supposed to be. If your parents were shot to death in front of you, you'd have some pretty f-ed up issues too. And that's what Batman is supposed to be. An f-ed up dude taking his stolen childhood out on anyone who makes like the scum who took his parents away...yet with the humanity instilled in him by his slain parents.

So if you enjoy your Blues Clues version of Batman, you can have it. I'll stick with the guy who kicks ass without having to literally spell it on the screen.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

The biggest equation you are missing:

$75,000 per show. Money or MArriage and kid's stability? They choose the money.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 23, 2009 11:15 AM

Have you seen that b*tch? Listen to her talk? I'd take the 75 grand and pay someone to snuff her out!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Alright, I am trying to come back.

Dark Knight was Movie #2 and Batman Returns was Movie #1? Who was Batman in that movie? I think I missed it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 23, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

John & Kate = Jersey Housewifes, as far as watchability is concerned, in my opinion...I'd rather perform my own vasectomy with a spork...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 23, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

so, is she THAT bad? My gosh, my daughter has been watching that show for a couple of years, and I think she would have mentioned if the woman was a complete and total...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 23, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

The Dark Knight was the sequel to Batman Begins. Christian Bale was Batman in that as well.

Batman Returns was the sequel to the '89 Batman. Michael Keaton was Batman in both of those and they were directed by Tim Burton. Both were very good.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Dark Knight was Movie #2 and Batman Returns was Movie #1? Who was Batman in that movie? I think I missed it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 23, 2009 11:27 AM

Of the Nolan films, Batman Begins was first and The Dark Knight was second. Batman Returns was the 2nd Burton film.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Have you seen that b*tch? Listen to her talk? I'd take the 75 grand and pay someone to snuff her out!

Posted by: brownwood26

I have no idea who you are talking about B but take a deep breath.

Posted by: jm220 | June 23, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

O-LINE:

SAMUELS, DOCKERY, RABACH, THOMAS, HEYOR. BRIDGES, WILLIAMS, WILLIAMS, D'BAPTISTE, MONTGOMERY in relief.

D-LINE:

DANIELS, HAYNESWORTH, GRIFFIN, CARTER. ORAKPO, WYNN, MONTGOMERY, GOLSTON, ALEXANDER, WILSON in relief.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 23, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

John & Kate = Jersey Housewifes, as far as watchability is concerned, in my opinion...I'd rather perform my own vasectomy with a spork...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Damn you guys are back to this again.

Posted by: jm220 | June 23, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

It should be pointed out that the trend with superhero movies shows that the third movie as the franchise killer.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Acutally, it's the trend with most move franchises.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

die hard with a vengence, best third flick ever

Posted by: braker19cleartheline | June 23, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Ahhh..... Now I know why I couldn't follow Dark Knight! It was a sequel and I never watched the 1st one! This is the reason I never watch those Borne movies, because I never saw the 1st!

Ok, let me redo that and find Batman Begins and I'll get back with y'all in a couple of months......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 23, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

What about Star wars 3 best of that trilogy, 6 was solid too.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

die hard with a vengence, best third flick ever

Posted by: braker19cleartheline | June 23, 2009 11:34 AM

Agreed. And it's on TV so often that for a while I thought it was the sequel! Then I saw the 2nd one and saw why they play DH with a Vengence more often...WAY better movie!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

4th, if the borne movies were anything like the books, it wouldn't matter if you saw the first one or not; confusion would continue to reign

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 23, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

alex, disagree on jedi, thought empire was a bit better. but kinda hard to argue with you, both were pretty freakin sweet.

Posted by: braker19cleartheline | June 23, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

JohnD, you're right...I'm still trying to figure out what happened in ANY of the Bourne movies. But at least it spawned one of my favorite lines from "The 40 Year-Old Virgin":

"You know, I always thought Damon was a bit of a Streisand, but he's rockin' the sh*t out of this!"

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

My point was that both were sweet. Also Last Crusade better then Temple of doom.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

oh yeah man, i haven't thought about last crusade in forever. connery is the man. the only movie that temple of doom beats was the newest one. remains the only movie i've ever walked out on.

Posted by: braker19cleartheline | June 23, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Empire rulz
Jedi Droolz

Not even a debate...

Jedi isn't even a good Muppet movie.....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 23, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Batman Returns was my favorite as a kid.

brown, you're wildin' for thinking that "...With a Vengeance" was better than Die Harder (Die Hard 2)

First off, it takes place in the DMV, and anything DMV associated is simply the 'ish!

Two, the ending in "...With A Vengeance", was straight weak. Seems like it was rushed or something, and I really didn't care for Samuel L. Jackson's role in the movie: An angry black man who thinks that everyone has hidden racism, living in poverty, who takes care of his nephews because more than likely their parents are worthless.


Three, James Evans Sr. of Good Times was in the second Die Hard.

But of course none of 'em stack up against the first one. Hans is one of my favorite villains of all time.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 23, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

My theory is being punched full of holes.

In my defense, I will submit the following: Spiderman 3, Superman 3, Batman Forever, Star Trek 3, Godfather 3, Shrek the Third, Scary Movie 3, Beverly Hills Cop 3, Terminator 3 (although Salvation was really good so the franchise isn't dead)

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Oh and more specifically, Die Hard 2 took place at Dulles Airport, which is located in... ahem - Virginia.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 23, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"What I gathered from the little attention I payed to Dark Knight was he was a Arrogant A-Hole Playboy that did anything he wanted to do and he liked to play Super Hero, though no one asked him to. And because of his dabaling in 'policing', he agitated the criminals more and at the end caused more death and destruction then if he had never played a super hero.

Is that accurate?

Posted by: 4thFloor"

4th, I think you need to look a little deeper. The whole movie was about the effects of the disruption of order. Joker and Batman are essentially reciprocals of each other; the same character playing on different sides of the fence. Neither conformed to the established order of their respective sides, and both brought about their own versions of chaos. Personally, I thought it was one of the best protagonist/antagonist dynamics I've ever seen in a movie. And I'm not just talking about comic book movies either.

Also, as Brownwood said, Batman Begins chronicles the much deeper mental psyche that Wayne has, which is clearly not just the surface playboy persona he puts on.

Posted by: psps23 | June 23, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

and don't even get me started on Halloween 3.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Nevermind 4th, real late on that response.

Posted by: psps23 | June 23, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

...and Shaft in Africa? WTF???

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Spiderman 3 was a waste of my time.

The dude that played the Sandman was awful.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 23, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Yknow what happened in the Bourne movies? Bad novels were put to Moby soundtracks.

Might as well wear some jockey shorts that are two sizes too small - same effect. Hurts your ballz.

btw - did anyone notice MTV is putting out a retrospecitve of "The State"?

This pretty much sums it up:
http://www.mtv.com/videos/?id=1609694


///maps///

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 23, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Big Busty Backdoor Babes 3...

Posted by: 4-12 | June 23, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Star Trek 3 was okay, it was Trek 4 that we need to burn all copies of.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

brown, you're wildin' for thinking that "...With a Vengeance" was better than Die Harder (Die Hard 2)


Posted by: RedDMV | June 23, 2009 11:54 AM

Dude, it takes more than just taking place in DC for it to be a good flick. I didn't say it wasn't good at all, just that 'With a Vengence' was better.

And if you love Hans so much, why not dig on the film that had his brother coming back for revenge? The villian in Die Hard 2 was a clown and John Amos going double agent was predictable. 'Vengence' had more twists and turns in the plot and generally kept my attention for longer.

I do agree on Samuel L. Jackson's character, though...I coulda done without that. But he did calm it down toward the end so I could deal with it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Back to the future 3 was also a great one, but they all were solid

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

btw - did anyone notice MTV is putting out a retrospecitve of "The State"?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 23, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse


$240 worth of pudding...aaawwwww yeah!

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

c'mon guys, everyone knows American Wedding kicks the snot outta American Pie and American Pie two...

Jim can't dance and then Stiffler teaches him - ON THE CONDITION HE CAN ATTEND THE WEDDING.!!

That Stiffler... whoah. Funny.


...///maps/// [:-|

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 23, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Spiderman 3 was a waste of my time.

The dude that played the Sandman was awful.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 23, 2009 12:04 PM

We can agree on this. Oh how the world would be a better place if Chris Brown smacked Mary Jane Watson around in that movie instead of Rihanna in real life...

And is anyone else completely done with Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane? Mary Jane is supposed to be hot, not some 7 piece with crooked teeth. That Bryce Dallas Howard chick would have been a better choice and get Dunst to go get spring water for the REAL actors.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if we're really lucky, the bankruptcy of Six Flags will reveal that the Danny's empire is a house of cards and he will be compelled to sell the Redskins. That's about the only way we're ever likely to get an owner who doesn't think he's always the smartest guy in the room and who will leave the football operations to people who actually know something about football.

Posted by: nrjlh | June 23, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

lmao etrod!

..."I'm DOUG! and I'm outta... heeeeerreee..?"

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 23, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: nrjlh | June 23, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

If you want to talk football, go over to the movies blog. jeez!

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 23, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't disagree more with your take on The Dark Knight.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 6:07 AM | Report abuse


Yes brownwood26, there were several plot implausibilities. SEVERAL. I guess you were too mesmorized by Jokers Fantabulous performance, to see them. Unfortunately for me I don't even have to try and I notice them.

And I'm NOT talking about any of the stunts, I accept those, no matter how fake and I wish Joker didn't lick his lips so much, but I understand if his lips were a bit chapped.

I'll give you one more example: How about when Batman saves 'bloodhound face' after Joker drops her from the window? After Batman saves her, ummmm, isn't Joker still upstairs terrorizing Bruce Wayne's guests?
We don't know b/c the scene ends with no closure, just like almost every time Joker exits a scene, it's hard to follow him, that guy is invisible or something...Here's the funny thing though, I don't even care that not one of Joker's thugs fired one round at Batman during that fight either.

Posted by: Vicc | June 23, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

last superman also poorly casted.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 23, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 23, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Nightmare on Elmstreet 3 was one of the Franchise's best.

Friday the 13th III was prety sold as well...

Halloween III bought it back to the basics....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 23, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing Vicc doesn't really enjoy movies...EVERY movie has implausibilites. And if you sit there and look for them in every film, you'll be a miserable filmgoer.
If I want EVERYTHING to be 100% real life, then I'll, you know, NOT watch a movie and stay in real life.

Alex, I'm with you on the Superman casting. Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane was almost as bad as Dunst as Mary Jane. Just an awful choice. And sticking her with a kid was terrible. But the FX were visually stunning (especially the plane crash sequence), which I guess in 2009 is all that matters. Superman was a good pick, Spacey as Lex Luthor was good, but that was about it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I enjoyed the dark knight, but I still liked Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson better.

Nicholson's version of Joker was more theatrical, And that's how I prefer Joker.

Posted by: Vicc | June 23, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"EVERY movie has implausibilites."

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 23, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse


Duh, but you're still not accounting for or explaining the evidence I showed you.

I feel like I'm talking to my 6 year old neice. How many times to I have explain it...I'll will believe killer aliens from the sun have come here to destroy our planet with snow belting missiles. But I do pay attention to details.

Love the Die Hard movies, in fact they are my favorite action comedies of all time. Bruce Willis cracks me up with his one-liners.

Posted by: Vicc | June 23, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I feel like I'm talking to my 6 year old neice. How many times to I have explain it...

Posted by: Vicc | June 23, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse


Damn, wish I hadn't said that. Disregard that Brownwood.

Wait are we arguing over a movie or the Redskins, cuz I think we like 'em both.

Posted by: Vicc | June 23, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Today, we load the minivan and head to Orlando to confront the rat known as Disney.

.....

But today and tomorrow, a small fortune will be spent on what Dr. Phil calls, "Quality family time," standing in long lines and eating massively overpriced food.

I hope the blog lives long and prospers.

I'm out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 23, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse


Did anyone notice that MistaMoe times his family vacations to fall between OTA's and the opening of camp!!!

That's true dedication. Hail, and have a good vacation, Moe.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 23, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

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