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Fifteen Redskins practices open to the public

The Redskins officially confirmed Tuesday that training camp will start July 29 and announced that 15 practices will be open to the public, including Fan Appreciation Day August 7. With Mike Shanahan in his first season at the helm, the 15 public practices are an increase from years past; last season, under Jim Zorn, only eight training camp practices were open to the public.

Training camp at Redskins Park in Ashburn begins with an open practice on July 29 at 4 p.m. Twelve other public practices will begin at 8:30 a.m. The start times of the remaining two sessions have not been determined.

The sessions are free of charge. Parking lots will be open 90 minutes before the beginning of each practice, and gates will an open an hour before the scheduled start time. The schedule of practices open to the public is below.

Attendees are encouraged to print and fill out a Training Camp Fan Invitation before attending a practice . The invitations will be available on the team's Web site beginning July 6.

Thursday July 29 4:00 p.m.
Friday July 30 8:30 a.m.
Saturday July 31 8:30 a.m.
Sunday August 1 8:30 a.m.
Monday August 2 8:30 a.m.
Tuesday August 3 8:30 a.m.
Wednesday August 4 8:30 a.m.
Thursday August 5 8:30 a.m.
Saturday August 7 Noon (Fan Appreciation Day)
Tuesday August 10 8:30 a.m.
Wednesday August 11 8:30 a.m.
Sunday August 15 TBD
Monday August 16 8:30
Wednesday August 18 8:30
Thursday August 19 TBD (End of training camp)

By Jorge Castillo  |  June 29, 2010; 4:25 PM ET
 | Tags: Redskins, practice, training camp  
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Comments

First....to sweep the leg.

Posted by: COBRAKAI | June 29, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Why would anyone want to watch a practice when we can't see Marko Mitchell?

Fan Appreciation Day? Better start lining up tomorrow if you hope to get in.

Posted by: greenback | June 29, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Hope Vinny don't show up like he did on alumni day......


He got ripped to shreds on here, rightfully so too....

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 29, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Practices are free, but parking will be $50, just it will be this year at that dump FedEx Field. Don't even bother, Danny Boy will get his money one way or another.

By the way, I've been a Redskins fan since I was 5 (35 years) but can't stand Snyder. If it wasn't for Angelos, he would be the worst owner in sports.

Posted by: jwash4472 | June 29, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

The debut of Albert Haynesworth is looming. What would Shanahan do? If Haynesworth leaves, he lost his "beast" defensive tackle, If he stays, he looses a team. Better yet, is Shanahan a master technician in the art of saving face and team to accommodate loosing Snyder's biggest investment on a player? Stay tuned.

Posted by: abxinc | June 29, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

In the interest of proving anything...

Here's the breakdown of Ickles vs Skins in terms of blowing 4th Qtr leads over the last 4 years:

Ickles
2009: 1 (Dal)
2008: 0
2007: 2 (Chi, NE)
2006: 0

Skins
2009: 5 (Car, Dal, Ickles, NO (tie, lost in OT), Chargers)
2008: 2 (Dal, SF)
2007: 3 (NYG, Ickles (ST's last game), Bills)
2006: 1 (Jags (Tie, won in OT))

11 vs 3... no bueno.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 29, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I have to say that I am impressed with the way Bruce Allen has begun the process of completely rebuilding the Redskins while still giving us the potential to be sucessful in the present.

He has put forth a major effort to overhaul our biggest area of need (O-line).

At other areas of need, he has put together mini "Over the Hill Gangs" (RB's, WR's, and D-line) out of quality veterans with relatively inexpensive, short term contracts. These guys give us enough quality and depth to have a decent chance of being succesfull now, while buying time until they can be replaced by draft picks and younger free agents in the next couple of years.

I think it's safe to say that RB and D-line will be big priorities for the Skins next year.

The WR situation will be the bigest qustion mark. I think it's clear that this is the last chance for Thomas and Kelly, If one or both prove that they can actually be a quality NFL receiver, then this won't be as much of an area of concern for next year. If they both prove to be flops, then we can expect a major overhaul.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 29, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Well what do we all think of this? Reid why aren't you in on this?!?!?!?!

Via Rotoworld.com

The Chargers have "made it known" that unsigned restricted free agent Vincent Jackson will remain available for trade, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune.
"Several other teams," reportedly including the Redskins, have joined the Seahawks in expressing interest. Jackson is said to be seeking a long-term deal slightly above the four-year, $47.5 million deal (low on guarantees) that Brandon Marshall signed in April. No-nonsense GM A.J. Smith is apparently prepared to make good on his promise to move on with V-Jax and Marcus McNeil. At this point, a trade would be a lifeline for Jackson's 2010 fantasy value. Jun. 29 - 4:39 pm et

Posted by: Broman17 | June 29, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

First....to sweep the leg.

Posted by: COBRAKAI


CLASSIC!!!

Posted by: bhoang888 | June 29, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

@ mattsoundworld | June 29, 2010 4:55 PM

Pretty remarkable to blow that many 4th qtr leads. Five 4th qtr leads blown for a team that won 4 games... just goes to show that if ANYONE had stepped up with big plays, the year could have been entirely different. That'a a lack of playmakers on offense AND defense allowing that to happen.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 29, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Practices are free, but parking will be $50, just it will be this year at that dump FedEx Field. Don't even bother, Danny Boy will get his money one way or another.


Posted by: jwash4472 | June 29, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse
____________________________________________

Parking is free. Would you prefer that all practices be closed to the public? Or do you want the Redskins go give out free food and drinks to the public along with a free jersey during open practices? I don't understand why you're making this a negative thing

Posted by: --swb | June 29, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you Kassmaster on all counts. The most pressing problem with turning around a team is to find out what the previous management was doing wrong, correct those problems, and establish the foundation for the direction the team will travel with effective strategic planning and management.
All organizations work this way and everything I have seen out of the Redskins organization since we "cleaned house" has indicated that this is what the Redskins are doing.
The best indications are: players are participating in the program and siding with management (AH), Portis isn't whining (like him or hate him, he made the right call on Zorn/Ceratto), and Danny has taken a desk job, we have an experienced WC offense QB.
Things may not be perfect, but even the incomplete picture of what is going on shows us that thing are much, much better.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 29, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Danny Boy will get his money one way or another.

posted by jwash4472

Yeah, no matter what danny will get his money or a pound of flesh out of any situation.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if AH doesn't pay the money back an "unfortunate but plausible accident" may befall him...a boating accident, a poison ring ding, a heart attack, being beaten to death with a solid gold menorah, etc.
Danny is not someone one trifles with lightly.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 29, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

@ mattsoundworld | June 29, 2010 4:55 PM

If I remember right, in almost all of those blown 4th quarter leads, our defence gave up yards and points because the were just too worn out by that point.
Our continuous offensive failure kept our otherwise decent defense on the field way too long, and they simply had nothing left in the tank for the home stretch.

Hopefully, with an improved O-line we will have a better rushing attack and can sustain longer drives, keeping the defence much more rested.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 29, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

monkey man, I think you're maaaaaybe taking it a bit too far to suggest that Danny might exact some kind of street justice on Albert.

I mean, come on already with that. I loathe the guy as the owner of our beloved franchise, but that kind of suggestion is beyond the pale.

And "beaten to death with a solid gold menorah"? How 'bout you just come right out and tell us your beliefs about the Jews and their greed-fueled bloodlust, all right? Good grief.

Is it Friday yet? For that matter, is it September yet?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 29, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

If I remember right, in almost all of those blown 4th quarter leads, our defence gave up yards and points because the were just too worn out by that point.
Our continuous offensive failure kept our otherwise decent defense on the field way too long, and they simply had nothing left in the tank for the home stretch.

Hopefully, with an improved O-line we will have a better rushing attack and can sustain longer drives, keeping the defence much more rested.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 29, 2010 5:39 PM

Our defense also didn't get themselves off the field with turnovers very often.

Posted by: Keiser | June 29, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

It wouldn't surprise me at all if AH doesn't pay the money back an "unfortunate but plausible accident" may befall him...

Posted by: monkeymayonaise
I'm with nate in my belief that Danny boy would not take it that far.
But since we're on the topic...

How about some nice cement shoes and drop him in the gulf in hopes that his fat a$$ would plug up that leaky pipe. It's an amusing thought to think of him suddenly appearing on the BP spill cam.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 29, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: boozyb | June 29, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The Haynesworth issue will not resolve itself easily. AH won't buy himself out, and the Redskins won't be able to get enough to trade him.

Shanahan will give him a talking to and challenge him to man-up or else play a lot more nose tackle than he might otherwise have to play.

If he wants to leave, make him play is way out. So he'll either go out as a bust or a beast. If he goes out like a bust, Shanahan will make his life miserable. If he goes out like a beast, just get him out and try to do it quickly. After another team looses a DT to injury.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 29, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article over on ESPN about which positions are the riskiest in terms of drafting: not surprisingly, RB tops the list. Injuries have a lot to do with it.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 29, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article over on ESPN about which positions are the riskiest in terms of drafting: not surprisingly, RB tops the list. Injuries have a lot to do with it.

Posted by: Samson151

Taking a RB in the first round is generally not a good decision unless it is the final piece in the puzzle. They have a shelf life of about 5 years. With most other positions you can draft a solid 10 year starter.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm fairly certain our D has been guilty of running out of steam at critical points during JC's time in DC, so... anyone feel like looking that up?

Posted by: mattsoundworld

don't need to look it up. No question Campbell has struggled in the 4th quarter. But at key moments in 2009, the coach took the ball out of his hands.

3 examples were vs the Saints (up 7), iggles (up 5) and dallas (up 6). In each game, Campbell led a drive with the potential to put us up 2 scores in the 4th quarter.

If we look at the anatomy of what happened in each game, it was remarkably similar.

Each drive ended with a FG attempt. Twice drives ended with 3 running plays followed by the FG attempt on 4th down -- the 3rd time is was 2 runs and a pass on 3rd down and long. 8 runs in 9 plays to end these drives. The coaches took the ball out of Campbell's hands.

Following the FG attempt (2 misses, 1 make), the opponent scored a TD to tie (Saints, iggles) or take the lead dallas).

Its easy to blame Campbell, and he deserves SOME of the 4th quarter criticism he's gotten.

But the bigger problems were the coach, defense and FG kicker, certainly in those 3 games.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

@Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 6:45 PM

Zcez,
You're on the wrong side of the fence. The question was about the D-fence not the O-fence.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 29, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I've been a Redskins fan since I was 5 (35 years) but can't stand Snyder. If it wasn't for Angelos, he would be the worst owner in sports.

Posted by: jwash4472

Not while Donald S. Sterling draws breath,

Posted by: TheCork | June 29, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

NO to V Jack.

Especially considering we don't have a 3rd or 4th rd pick next year. He's had 2 years of production and I wouldn't want to trade a 1st or even a 2nd for a guy that would then demand 50 mil.

Lets see what DT & MK can do with a professional coach, game plan, and QB.

Unless they would take 380 lbs of shat off our hands in exchange.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

And Yes EVERYONE knows S.D. runs a 3-4.

F Albert.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Parking is free. Would you prefer that all practices be closed to the public? Or do you want the Redskins go give out free food and drinks to the public along with a free jersey during open practices? I don't understand why you're making this a negative thing

Posted by: --swb

Maybe because several years back Snyder charged ($10?) for practices, then learned that meant you had to let in opposing team scouts. He's not making it free out of the goodness of his heart.

Posted by: TheCork | June 29, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Maybe because several years back Snyder charged ($10?) for practices, then learned that meant you had to let in opposing team scouts. He's not making it free out of the goodness of his heart.

Posted by: TheCork
If they make admission to the practices free but charge for parking, wouldn't that mean that the opposing team's scouts would have to stay in the parking lot?

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 29, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

He's not making it free out of the goodness of his heart.

Posted by: TheCork | June 29, 2010 7:04 PM

Are you intimating that Dan Snyder is trying to MAKE MONEY as the owner of the Redskins? That is sad to hear.

Posted by: greenback | June 29, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

NO to V Jack.

Especially considering we don't have a 3rd or 4th rd pick next year. He's had 2 years of production and I wouldn't want to trade a 1st or even a 2nd for a guy that would then demand 50 mil.

Lets see what DT & MK can do with a professional coach, game plan, and QB.

Unless they would take 380 lbs of shat off our hands in exchange.

Posted by: Diesel44

This is really a tough call. The Redskins are in dire of need of wr help. The problem is that it will certainly cost at least a first rounder to land him. Smith is not going to give him up with getting a big return.

The Redskins really can't afford to go into next year's draft with only a few draft picks. Despite what people may think the Oline definitely needs a couple more players. The front 7 is also going to need an infusion of young players.

The other thing with VJax is although he is extremely talented he has not had great numbers. I was utterly shocked when I looked at his stats and saw that he only had 68 receptions. He wants more than Marshall who is clearly the better player although with more baggage.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article over on ESPN about which positions are the riskiest in terms of drafting: not surprisingly, RB tops the list. Injuries have a lot to do with it.

Posted by: Samson151

Taking a RB in the first round is generally not a good decision unless it is the final piece in the puzzle. They have a shelf life of about 5 years. With most other positions you can draft a solid 10 year starter.

Posted by: srobert1117

That's an interesting point and it'll become a big deal in the CBA negotiations. RB contracts are unique, as no other position gets peaks as early or ages as quickly. By the time Chris Johnson is a free agent around year 5 or so, he'll be a lot less valuable than he is today.

The guys that ran for 2000 yards and the age they had that big year:
Sanders: age 29
Dickerson: age 24
Terrell Davis: age 26
OJ: age 26
CJ: age 24
Jamal Lewis: age 24

avg age for the members of the 2k club: 25.5

Just goes to show how young RBs are when they peak.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Zcez,
You're on the wrong side of the fence. The question was about the D-fence not the O-fence.

Posted by: kaasmaster |

just filling in the gaps with what really happened. Wasn't on either side of the fence. However, I was in Yosemite over the weekend, where there are few fences and you can O D on the views.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I second Diesel44's position on Vincent Jackson. Unless they take Fat Albert, which I can't picture. (Unless he really is lying about the 3-4 thing.) DT11 and MK12 need to be given a look in the new system. We need the Picks next year more than we need Jackson. Although, maybe they'd be willing to take both DT11 and MK12 in exchange?

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 29, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

...and that doesn't make me feel very good about having a stable full of old horses.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 29, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

NO to V Jack.

Especially considering we don't have a 3rd or 4th rd pick next year. He's had 2 years of production and I wouldn't want to trade a 1st or even a 2nd for a guy that would then demand 50 mil.

Lets see what DT & MK can do with a professional coach, game plan, and QB.

Unless they would take 380 lbs of shat off our hands in exchange.

Posted by: Diesel44

Haven't paid much attention to V Jackson off the field. If his work ethic isn't in question, and he is a team player, his on field production over the last few years suggests he should be paid among the top at his position. Those issues need to be addressed by BA. My second point is that this team is in real need of a #1 WR. Unless both Kelly and Thomas blow this year, the Skins will in all likelihood be in the WR market early in next year's draft. Using the pick this offseason or next isn't the important part, it's getting the impact player that is willing to put in the work to be among the best in the game. Is V Jackson that person, I am not sure. However I am intrigued.

Posted by: TWISI | June 29, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I was in Yosemite over the weekend, where there are few fences and you can O D on the views.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 7:46 PM |

Any Cali Pizza Kitchens there? There are three here in Encino. Stoney takes me there all the time. He likes to weeze the juice.

Posted by: EncinoMan | June 29, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I was in Yosemite over the weekend, where there are few fences and you can O D on the views.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 7:46 PM |

Any Cali Pizza Kitchens there? There are three here in Encino. Stoney takes me there all the time. He likes to weeze the juice.

Posted by: EncinoMan

Just a Pizza deck at Curry Village. They looked pretty good, though.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Although, maybe they'd be willing to take both DT11 and MK12 in exchange?

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 29, 2010 7:49 PM |

As they say in NYC, which is on my to-do list of places to visit, hard-deli.

Posted by: EncinoMan | June 29, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

TWISI, my VJax thinking is similar to yours. The contractual price tag is too big, but I think its self correcting -- no one wants to pay that sort of $$ to a WR.

He's a big guy, (maybe 6'5" ?), and gets into the end zone. His yards per catch is big as well, which means he's not a classic possession guy -- I like the possession guys a lot.

But still, the way you get value is to take a weakness and turn it into a strength. Like replacing Heyer/Hicks with Jamaal Brown.

So how does VJax do?

A team needs 3 WRs

So what does our 3 WR set look like with/without VJax?

Vjax + Moss + DT11
vs
Moss + DT11 + MK12

VJax replaces MK12 -- which is a huge upgrade

In the 2 WR set, he replaces DT11, giving us Moss + VJax. Which would be among the most dangerous WR sets in the league.

Moss had 902 receiving yards last year and he'd be our #2 WR. Only NE, Pitt, GB and AZ had their #2 WRs with more than 902 yards.

Bottom line, VJax he takes a weakness and turns it into s strength -- which is exactly what you need to accomplish with a trade.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | June 29, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

ok....all the fans that still want Marko Mitchell...get over it!!! If he was such a good talent, why can't he land a team. The freaking Lions let him go!!! They are better without him. The receiving corp is a lot better than years past.

I'm glad there will be more open practices. It shows that Shannahan does not fear anyone seeing his team practice during the offseason.

Posted by: bigdawg35 | June 29, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 8:46 PM

Ok Zeke...A.J. Smith wants a 1st RD pick for V Jack and V Jack wants a 4 year deal worth 50 mil.

Ok it's your turn GM Zeke.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Vincent Jackson will be in a Redskin uniform by July 29th. Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Galloway, Wade... child please.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 29, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 8:46 PM

Ok Zeke...A.J. Smith wants a 1st RD pick for V Jack and V Jack wants a 4 year deal worth 50 mil.

Ok it's your turn GM Zeke.

Posted by: Diesel44

No. Too expensive. He's probably in that class of WRs under $10mil a year ... and if SD thinks he's gone anyway, the price tag will be less than a 1st rounder.

But I'm listening. He's in a similar career spot to Boldin a few years back when I hoped we trade for him. A 2nd rounder + $9mil/year over 4-5 years is a 'yes' from me.

Good news is that Shanahan knows VJax well, he saw him 2x a year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Report: Shanahan "a big fan" of Vincent Jackson

Posted by Evan Silva on June 29, 2010 8:57 PM ET
Somewhat buried at the end of a Tuesday blog post by ESPN's Bill Williamson is some juicy information on Mike Shanahan's background with Vincent Jackson, for whom Shanahan's Redskins are rumored to be contemplating a trade.

According to Williamson, Shanahan has been "a big fan" of Jackson dating back to the 2005 NFL Draft, when Shanahan's Broncos reportedly considered selecting the eventual Pro Bowl receiver. Williamson was covering the Broncos for the Denver Post at the time, so he's a credible source.

Williamson says Jackson was next on Shanahan's draft board when the Broncos selected the late Darrent Williams with the 56th overall pick. Jackson, who played at Northern Colorado, was drafted 61st overall by San Diego, "and the Broncos were not happy about it."

Jackson was relatively slow to develop in San Diego, but went on to post games of 95, 73, and 77 yards against Shanahan's Denver teams during the 2007 and 2008 seasons.

Interestingly, Williamson also "heard" that left tackle Marcus McNeill "may not be as dead set as Jackson on holding out for the long haul." Both players have threatened to sit out through Week Ten of the regular season.

Posted by: TWISI | June 29, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 9:08 PM

Ok..2nd rd for VJ, VJ still wants 4 yrs 50 mil.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

throwing an extra kudo onto the trade for Jamaal Brown, which I already liked a lot.

Willie Colon, the Steeler OT, is down and likely done for the season. My guess is they'd have outbid us, or at least raised the price tag for Brown, if the deal hadn't gotten done a week ago.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Zeke-

Pitt brought in Flozell for a look today.

Still waiting on the counter offer...

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Good news is that Shanahan knows VJax well, he saw him 2x a year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 9:08 PM

Not only Shanahan, but McCardell too.. They were teammates, weren't they? If the Skins are willing to look at this option, it's because both Kelly and Thomas have been failing to impress in the classroom and/or on the field. The one thing McCardell can help give clarity to is V Jackson's work habits having played with him for a few years. On the other hand, Shanahan knows how Jackson impacts a game plan. Again, if the team is going to give a 2nd round pick or multiple picks for a player, they will need to be sure that they are getting someone who loves the game and is willing to work to improve.

Posted by: TWISI | June 29, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't see AJ Smith unloading V Jax for anything lower than a 1st. Marshall went for 2 2nd rd picks. Marshall is one slip up from being suspended. He had worn out his welcome in Denver and was definitely going to get traded. SD is supposed to compete this year and getting a draft pick that can't help them this year is not that enticing.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 29, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: hessone | June 29, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

You think Haynesworth is a distraction? How about your team is expected to be a superbowl contender but your #1 wr is holding out until the 10th game of the season over a contract dispute? The Chargers's window of opportunity is closing fast. They can't have the Jackson distraction hanging around for 10 weeks. Especially if they get off to a slow start, which they usually do. They'll unload the guy. Shanny will pounce once the compensation drops to a 2nd round pick.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 29, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Wide Receiver 1 Malcom Floyd, Buster Davis, Gary Banks, Richard Goodman

Wide Receiver 2 Vincent Jackson, Legedu Naanee, Josh Reed, Ernest Smith

And you thought our WR corps was weak. Take VJ off of that list and they're very pedestrian. Makes you wonder why they won't even negotiate with VJ.

This usually isn't my thing but…coparker5…. I've read your drive by nonsense for a year now and not once have you ever posted anything even close to being intelligent. You sound like a 15 yr old girl who's only interested in football because it may make you more popular with the fellas. Go back to the twilght board and come back in a few years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Oops, my bad Diesel44. May I have your permision to speak ole' magnificent one? Looking at the Skins' wr depth chart had me wishing Randle El was still around - that's all.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 29, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse


@Diesel44
This usually isn't my thing but…

You should stick with "your thing".

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Posted by: hessone | June 29, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

and here is a list of practices that I will not be able to make

Thursday July 29 4:00 p.m.
Friday July 30 8:30 a.m.
Saturday July 31 8:30 a.m.
Sunday August 1 8:30 a.m.
Monday August 2 8:30 a.m.
Tuesday August 3 8:30 a.m.
Wednesday August 4 8:30 a.m.
Thursday August 5 8:30 a.m.
Saturday August 7 Noon (Fan Appreciation Day)
Tuesday August 10 8:30 a.m.
Wednesday August 11 8:30 a.m.
Sunday August 15 TBD
Monday August 16 8:30
Wednesday August 18 8:30
Thursday August 19 TBD (End of training camp)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 29, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

coparker5- Why trade a 1st or a 2nd and then pay him 50 mil when his career going into his 3rd yr compares to DT and MK. For the last two years VJ has averaged 64 catches 1130 yds and 8 TDs with an all-pro caliber QB, RB, & TE. VJ is 27 and he hasn't had a career even close to Santana's and you want to give up a 1st or 2nd and then pay him bank.

Seriously, go back and argue over which vampire you like better.

hessone- go boycott $nyder..

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2010 8:46 PM

Ok Zeke...A.J. Smith wants a 1st RD pick for V Jack and V Jack wants a 4 year deal worth 50 mil.

Ok it's your turn GM Zeke.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 8:55 PM
______________________________________

i'll be your huckleberry....

no way the chargers get a #1 for jackson, broncos got a #2 for marshall, who is a better receiver.

if this happens, it could be a 3 way trade, haynesworth to seattle, jackson to the skins, and ??? to the chargers.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | June 29, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse


@ Diesel44

You asked me not to boycott $nyder, but now you want me to boycott $nyder. Jeez

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Posted by: hessone | June 29, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zatoichi77 | June 29, 2010 10:36 PM

Marshall went for 2 #2's and you're right he is the better receiver.

VJ may be had for a #2 but is scheduled to make 600k next year and wants a deal in the 4 yrs 50 mil range.

Maybe Seattle would want AH for a 4th but nobody wants to be in a 3 way trade for a guy that got PAID and still didn't show. AH is out.

Now would you do the trade for a 2nd and then turn around and give him a deal worth 4 yrs and 50 mil based off of 2 yrs of GOOD production?

That would leave us with a 1st, 5th, 6th, & 7th next year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse


@ Diesel44

Keep all the picks.

Posted by: hessone | June 29, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

hessone- I use to admire your consistency & perseverance in your hatred for Snyder. I may hate Snyder as much as you but I can also recognize when he appears to be leaving football decisions to football people. It's too bad his learning curve was 10 years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44, you think Kelly's and Thomas' careers compare to Vince Jackson's? Those clowns compare more closely to Marques Hagens' career in terms of production. Jackson is the big wr that is vital to Shanny's running game - kinda McCaffrey, Smith, Marshall-like. Or are you waiting for Moss to throw a downfield block? Moss can play the Eddie Royal robin to Jackson's batman in Shanny's offense.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 29, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

coparker5- At the 3 year mark in their career's MK and especially DT compare very favorably to VJ's.

VJ.......
2005 3 catches 59 yds 0 TDS
2006 27-453-6
2007 41-623-3
2008 59-1098-7
2009 68-1167-9

You do realize that DT and MK are going into their 3rd yr

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44, you think Kelly's and Thomas' careers compare to Vince Jackson's? Those clowns compare more closely to Marques Hagens' career in terms of production. Jackson is the big wr that is vital to Shanny's running game - kinda McCaffrey, Smith, Marshall-like. Or are you waiting for Moss to throw a downfield block? Moss can play the Eddie Royal robin to Jackson's batman in Shanny's offense.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 29, 2010 10:59 PM |

I thought the same thing but knowing Diesel I did a little more research and found this:

Vincent Jackson's first 2 seasons
2006 San Diego Chargers 16 7 27 453 16.8 55 6 3 16 5.3 8 0 -- --
2005 San Diego Chargers 8 0 3 59 19.7 21 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- --

Those are comparable to the twins and I think he said entering year 3 so...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 29, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Having said that I have a little more faith in MK than DT because MK didn't get to play or even practice in his first season. IR killed his rookie season so for all intents and purposes this is his sophomore season.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 29, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Just because the Dolphins overpaid Marshall doesn't mean that other teams are going to overpay Jackson. Lots of wr's catch passes in Shanny's offense - hell, Eddie Royal caught 90+ passes his rookie season. If Jackson can accept that he's maybe a $30-$35 million wr he'll be a Redskin.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 29, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 29, 2010 11:18 PM

More times than not it takes a WR a few years to adjust to the pro game and considering we didn't have a professional GM, coach, game plan, all pro caliber QB, TE, or RB....I'd say we aren't in any position to trade a high pick and be left with 1 pick in the first 2 rds and 3 late picks.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 29, 2010 11:18 PM

More times than not it takes a WR a few years to adjust to the pro game and considering we didn't have a professional GM, coach, game plan, all pro caliber QB, TE, or RB....I'd say we aren't in any position to trade a high pick and be left with 1 pick in the first 2 rds and 3 late picks.


Posted by: Diesel44 | June 29, 2010 11:27 PM

I'm inclined to agree except that our team was so deficient in so many areas that we needed too many players. Problem stems from years of thinking we were only a couple players from making it to the show so we kept burning through draft picks for free agents. By the time we got to the Zorn area we were cash strapped and had a team full of dregs. I don't think anyone argues those last points, though, so I may just be kicking a dead horse.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 30, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Shanny doesn't have many throw-away rebuilding years left. He said he wants to win now. He went out and got a QB that gives him a chance to win right now. If he can swing a deal for Vincent Jackson he'll do it cause none of the current Redskin wr's give him a chance to compete in the NFC East (Moss hasn't quite been the Cowboy killer since Roy Williams left Dallas). On the scale of NFL wr's, Thomas and Kelly are going to max-out at the Rod Gardner-Darnerian McCants level. Shanny needs better and he'll go out and get it.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 30, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

coparker5- Don't sleep on Santana. He had a similar career to VJ, DT, MK going into his 3rd year. He's even averaged more catches than VJ with Zorn as his head coach and OC. VJ would sign up right now for a career like Tana's.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 30, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

If I'm reading the earlier comment right, VJax plays in 2010 for $600k if he stays in SD?

The Chargers are thinking SB. They have no compelling reason to part with VJax other than a draft pick -- and you don't take a pick and give up on a SB run. Especially since VJax is, relatively speaking, very inexpensive. Jackson's got a major incentive to play well, his price tag goes up if he impresses in a contract year.

So if you're VJax, would you rather:
1. Take $45million for 5 years
2. Take $600k this year and hope to get a 4 year, $44mil deal?

I think VJax makes out better if he can get himself paid in 2010 -- especially with risks in 2011 season.

Diesel, I do the deal at 5 years, $45mil and give up a 2nd rounder. Though I might be able to give up less.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

zeke- If I'm A.J. Smith I do the deal and I know V Jack would go for it.

I'm just not sure it's best for us considering we were 4-12 last year and would be lucky to be 9-7 this year and have only a 1st, 5th, 6th and 7th to build on as our QB turned 35 and our DL & LB corps got older with only 1 real pick to improve them.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 30, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

I've gotta say that I think giving up draft picks is part of the problem that we have had over the last decade+. I can live with giving up what we've already parted with but I would draw the line there. Just my $.02.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 30, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

zeke- If I'm A.J. Smith I do the deal and I know V Jack would go for it.

I'm just not sure it's best for us considering we were 4-12 last year and would be lucky to be 9-7 this year and have only a 1st, 5th, 6th and 7th to build on as our QB turned 35 and our DL & LB corps got older with only 1 real pick to improve them.

Posted by: Diesel44

my philosophy, I will give up a 2nd rounder for a top player in the heart of his career -- as long as I can get him for 5 years. Every time.

My feeling is that you can only guarantee holding onto a draft pick for about 5 years -- and the first couple he may not be that productive (which pretty much describes VJax's career). Of course, there's a decent chance the guy never pans out in the first place. Low risk to make the trade ... the risk is in the size of the contract.

Second round picks aren't expensive to sign and keep -- not a small issue. But I take the known stud and trade away the risky pick.

WR is -- and is likely to remain -- a position of need. So this trade also solves a real problem we'd need to address anywat.

As for getting old as a team, the deal that turned the corner for me was Jamaal Brown. Brown means we can protect McNabb better and run better. We can compete in 2010, especially if Albert comes ready to play.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2010 1:48 AM | Report abuse

If we are trading for WR, lets get Megatron and a 3rd or 4th for AH and CP.

Maybe its Maddenish, but so is giving up a 2nd and 50 large for Vjack.

I say sit still and make DT11 and MK12 prove they are wastoids.

I don't think they are. With Dmac, Familia del Shanny, and two actual NFL OT's I say they suddenly "get it" and look good.

Its worth finding out for a couple weeks in August before we make a move at any rate.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 30, 2010 4:33 AM | Report abuse

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/15258/big-question-mcnabb-ready

Apparently Mosley didn't get the Memo that the Redskins picked up the aforementioned actual NFL OTs in the off season.

TWill, Hicks(BMW?) and Jammal Brown are massive upgrades in 3/5ths of the line. The formerly crappy 3/5ths.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 30, 2010 4:39 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty torn about this Vincent Jackson stuff...dude is a physical specimen, but he just doesn't have the numbers to back it up. For what we'll have to give up to get him--and then immediately pay him--I'm not sure I'd be so jacked up to get a guy who had 68 catches last year.

Two things about him I like: his yards per catch (17.2 for both last season and his cumulative career) and his TDs (9 last year and 16 the last two combined), both of which are a massive upgrade from what's here now. The only thing is that Norv's offense is more about the downfield passing game and this is a WCO. So I'm not sure those numbers will necessarily translate to this offense the same way.

He's a big WR with big play ability, which is probably what Shanahan is looking at. I like him for the right price, but with his contract demands and A.J. Smith's rep for being a tough guy, I can't see us getting that "right price".

BTW...Funny how the Redskins have Fan Appreciation Day the exact same day as Russ Grimm's HoF induction. Makes for an interesting decision for some of us fans...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 5:16 AM | Report abuse

If we are trading for WR, lets get Megatron and a 3rd or 4th for AH and CP.

Maybe its Maddenish, but so is giving up a 2nd and 50 large for Vjack.

I say sit still and make DT11 and MK12 prove they are wastoids.

I don't think they are. With Dmac, Familia del Shanny, and two actual NFL OT's I say they suddenly "get it" and look good.

Its worth finding out for a couple weeks in August before we make a move at any rate.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 30, 2010 4:33 AM | Report abuse
I'm with you, Kaneohe. MK has great hands, so we know he can catch. Let's see if DMac can deliver the ball. DT has the speed to stretch the field. Let's keep our second, try to develop our own wr's.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 30, 2010 6:01 AM | Report abuse

He's a big WR with big play ability, which is probably what Shanahan is looking at. I like him for the right price, but with his contract demands and A.J. Smith's rep for being a tough guy, I can't see us getting that "right price".

BTW...Funny how the Redskins have Fan Appreciation Day the exact same day as Russ Grimm's HoF induction. Makes for an interesting decision for some of us fans...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 5:16 AM | Report abuse
True brownie. Shanny has seen a lot of VJax, and now has had OTA's and mini-camp with DT and MK. So he should be in a good position to make that call. MS and BA have made a lot of good calls this spring, so I'll be interested to see what they think.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 30, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

He's a big WR with big play ability, which is probably what Shanahan is looking at. I like him for the right price, but with his contract demands and A.J. Smith's rep for being a tough guy, I can't see us getting that "right price".

BTW...Funny how the Redskins have Fan Appreciation Day the exact same day as Russ Grimm's HoF induction. Makes for an interesting decision for some of us fans...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 5:16 AM | Report abuse
True brownie. Shanny has seen a lot of VJax, and now has had OTA's and mini-camp with DT and MK. So he should be in a good position to make that call. MS and BA have made a lot of good calls this spring, so I'll be interested to see what they think.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 30, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

Fritz, it just makes my skin crawl just thinking about having to give up another draft pick, but it's very hard to get a top flight WR in this league--especially one with the combo of size and speed that VJ has.

MK having great hands doesn't impress me if A) he can't stay healthy enough to be on the field to use them or B) the guy can't get open even if he is on the field. I'm not counting on him nearly as much as I am Devin Thomas. With or without Jackson, this team NEEDS Devin Thomas to step his game up.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 6:25 AM | Report abuse

If you can’t stretch the field, expect more of the same again this year, heavy doses of 8 and 9 defenders in the box. Don’t care who the RB or QB is…They will bring it until you beat it. Ask DM what the Eagles thought about it. Then look at what you got.

Posted by: camp_fodder | June 30, 2010 6:32 AM | Report abuse

Both DT and MK are just 24 yr old. MK has only one year of experience, due to knee problems 1st year. New HC, new OC, new QB...Maybe I'm dreaming, but I want to see what these guys can do in this scheme before I go p*ssing away another draft pick.

VJax 6'5" 230
MK 6'4" 227
DT 6'2" 215

Not sure how VJ compares speed-wise, but we have 2 big receivers, and they are still very young. Let's use them before we discard them.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 30, 2010 6:36 AM | Report abuse

we have 2 big receivers, and they are still very young. Let's use them before we discard them.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 30, 2010 6:36 AM


Normally, I would co-sign this but this is a new regime. Shanahan has no ties to these guys and has made no investment in them. So if he develops them, it's gravy as far as I'm concerned. But if he's already made up his mind that they can't play, then we're better off moving now.

And here's a thought...what if the deal for VJ actually included Devin Thomas? You give up another big, young WR but maybe it we give up a lesser pick instead of a high one?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Normally, I would co-sign this but this is a new regime. Shanahan has no ties to these guys and has made no investment in them. So if he develops them, it's gravy as far as I'm concerned. But if he's already made up his mind that they can't play, then we're better off moving now.

And here's a thought...what if the deal for VJ actually included Devin Thomas? You give up another big, young WR but maybe it we give up a lesser pick instead of a high one?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 6:54 AM | Report abuse
I agree, assuming that he has made up his mind. But we have no way of knowing that. He would be smart, regardless of his opinion of DT and MK, to show interest in VJax. And if the price is not too much, ie a 2nd rd pick, he might pull the trigger. My point is that we haven't really seen what DT and MK can do. Others have pointed out that many WR's finally "get it" in their 3rd year. VJax seemed to get it his 3rd year. So let's not be too quick to jettison our 3rd year players.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 30, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

fritz, MK is an afterthought because he can't stay healthy. I never liked that pick, so I don't mind cutting our losses there. But you're right on DT...I think he can take a step up this year and getting McNabb only helps that.

That's why it seems to me a trade for VJ would help no matter what...if DT shows up solid, they're a damn good tandem of big WRs. If he doesn't, he's there in lieu of DT in the lineup and we have to pick up another guy in next year (or probably the year after)'s draft.

I just HATE giving up picks and going into drafts with only 4 selections. Hopefully, there's a dramatic change in philosophy there once we get the core of the team set up.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

I just HATE giving up picks and going into drafts with only 4 selections. Hopefully, there's a dramatic change in philosophy there once we get the core of the team set up.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse
cosign!

Posted by: frediefritz | June 30, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Yes to VJ. The team needs a big receiver to complement Moss. DT might pan out but I wouldn't put him in the category of "big receiver". I don't like giving up draft picks but maybe they can work a deal with a player and a pick. What may make this a moot discussion is the fact that Allen and Shanahan have not brokered a "mega deal" since they came on board if you consider the Haynesworth deal was already negotiated. I don't know what the philosophy is in the front office now, but it seems to be one of tight-fisted fiscal constraint, which means the Redskins will ultimately say "no" if the deal means a new mega contract. Meanwhile, Javon Walker is still available...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 30, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, Javon Walker is still available...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 30, 2010 7:56 AM


So is Jimmie Walker...what's your point?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Stuff like this breaks my heart...from PFT:


Randall Cunningham's 2-year-old son drowns in family hot tub
Posted by Michael David Smith on June 30, 2010 7:59 AM ET
The 2-year-old son of former NFL quarterback Randall Cunningham has died in an apparent accidental drowning in the hot tub at the family home in Las Vegas.

The Las Vegas Review-Journal reports that Christian Cunningham, who would have turned 3 in December, died after being found floating in the backyard hot tub.

Randall Cunningham is pastor of Remnant Ministries and performs baptisms in the hot tub at his home, the paper reports. He was not home at the time.

According to the report, a woman at Cunningham's house was with several children when she found Christian at about 4:30 p.m. The woman pulled Christian out and began performing CPR until paramedics arrived, and he was taken to St. Rose Dominican Hospital, where he died.

Cunningham went to UNLV and played 16 seasons in the NFL, making four Pro Bowls. He retired following the 2001 season.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

reported on PFT

"Sinkhole opens outside Titans' stadium
Posted by Michael David Smith on June 30, 2010 7:22 AM ET
A sinkhole estimated at 20 to 30 feet wide and 4 to 5 feet deep has opened just outside LP Field in Nashville, where the Tennessee Titans play."

I'm wondering if AH is looking for a place to work.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 30, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, Javon Walker is still available...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 30, 2010 7:56 AM

So is Jimmie Walker...what's your point?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 8:11 AM
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Javon Walker is "budget" big receiver out there trying to find work.

Jimmie Walker is the "budget" comedian out there trying to find work.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 30, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, Javon Walker is still available...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 30, 2010 7:56 AM

So is Jimmie Walker...what's your point?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 8:11 AM
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Javon Walker is "budget" big receiver out there trying to find work.

Jimmie Walker is the "budget" comedian out there trying to find work.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 30, 2010 8:30 AM

Oh, and Johnnie Walker is what I'll be drinking tonight over ice.

Happy to clear that up for you.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 30, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

And Walker Texas Ranger... is... Leigh Torrence?! I need to go away somewhere and figure this all out....

That is absolutely tragic and enraging RE Cunningham's kid.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 30, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

reported on PFT

"Sinkhole opens outside Titans' stadium
Posted by Michael David Smith on June 30, 2010 7:22 AM ET
A sinkhole estimated at 20 to 30 feet wide and 4 to 5 feet deep has opened just outside LP Field in Nashville, where the Tennessee Titans play."

I'm wondering if AH is looking for a place to work.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 30, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I thought it was God trying to get rid of those awful uniforms.

BTW, one thing Skins fans need to embrace is that this team has not been a good team for developing Wide Receivers over the past few years. If people want to give 11 & 12 a shot, I say go for it.

But personally I would be ready to accept that Bruce and Mike will go grab a couple top free agent receivers next off season.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 30, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Both DT and MK are just 24 yr old. MK has only one year of experience, due to knee problems 1st year. New HC, new OC, new QB...Maybe I'm dreaming, but I want to see what these guys can do in this scheme before I go p*ssing away another draft pick.

VJax 6'5" 230
MK 6'4" 227
DT 6'2" 215

Not sure how VJ compares speed-wise, but we have 2 big receivers, and they are still very young. Let's use them before we discard them.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 30, 2010 6:36 AM | Report abuse

For the most part they both missed most of the first season due to laziness. They showed up to training camp out of shape and not ready to compete, MK more so then DT.
For me they had two different progressions toward the league as well. DT i think was only a one or two year starter at MSU and was considered very raw coming out of school. MK had a lot more playing time in college but managed to miss all of his teams bowl games, which at okla where often due to injuries. That aspect always scared me about MK, not sure if Ill ever fully trust that knee.
Now seeing that DT has had a better transition into the pros he is a player that I would really like to keep and try to build upon. Mk still having route running problems is not a good sign, nor is the fact that he is still TD less despite his size advantage. Obv this is a make or break year for both of them but that is why I would force their play by picking up VJ.
I have no problem paying for a WR with size and speed in their prime if a team does not want him due to contract issues. As the skins we overpay anyhow so send him our way. I dont like having to give up a draft pick as we keep handing them out but if thats the price you have to pay to establish your team with a #1 receiver in their prime then it may be worth it. No one could argue about the wr corp if you picked him up he instantly solidifies it.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

That is absolutely tragic and enraging RE Cunningham's kid.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 30, 2010 8:48 AM


I have a daughter about that age and it rips my heart apart to hear that. I go two days without her and it makes me nuts...I just can't imagine the pain Cunningham must be going thru...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

But personally I would be ready to accept that Bruce and Mike will go grab a couple top free agent receivers next off season.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 30, 2010 9:01 AM


Barring a surprise release, there won't be a very good WR class next year...Randy Moss and Donald Driver is about it. So we're looking at either trading for and/or drafting another guy.

This may be the reason why they're going to give this VJ trade a REALLY good look...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I drowned in a pool when I was about 5 or so. I was very lucky to have people around and be resuscitated. Back then pools weren't fenced in. I don't know how you'd have one that wasn't these days.

So horrible. I just can't imagine it. I guess my defense mechanism is to get angry about it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 30, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"PFT -Skins going after Jackson
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/29/report-redskins-interested-in-vincent-jackson/"

Please don't post this.

Because if it happens, I'm changing my screen name to "MOECALLEDIT!"

And for once, I'll be handing out crow for others to eat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Per ESPN

The general consensus of what we've heard is that San Diego Chargers GM A.J. Smith is unlikely to trade away star receiver Vincent Jackson just because No. 83 is playing contract hardball this offseason. For one, it sets a horrible precedent. Furthermore, he won't get fair value back in trade.

Still, the rumors persist. On Tuesday afternoon, Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune updated the situation, passing along word from his sources that not only are the Seattle Seahawks still interested after being rebuffed in the past, but that "several other teams" are also interested, including the Washington Redskins.

In addition, Acee reports that the Jackson camp is seeking a new contract (from the Bolts or a team to which he is traded) that exceeds the one signed by Brandon Marshall following his trade to the Miami Dolphins (four years, $47.5 million).

ESPN AFC West blogger Bill Williamson added two more teams to the list of possible trade partners -- the Denver Broncos and Chicago Bears, although he admits that the Chargers likely wouldn't trade Jackson within the division -- and also reported an interesting twist to this saga. Given what we've heard about the Bears love for their incumbent wideouts, they would seem like an unlikely trade partner (and Michael C. Wright of ESPNChicago.com doesn't see them anteing up the picks or big contract for him). Williamson's NFC North counterpart Kevin Seifert provided his take on their interest on Wednesday.

Posted by: merajc86 | June 30, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

So now it appears Michael Vick left the club in Virginia only 3 minutes prior to the shooting, and the shots came from the direction in which he'd gone... not 20 minutes as previously reported. Roddy White of Atlanta was with him.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 30, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

fits w/ the win-now profile, Moe. Think the Chargers will bite, tho? Sounds like they won't settle for a deal on our end... and everyone knows we pay full price... egh.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 30, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I drowned in a pool when I was about 5 or so. I was very lucky to have people around and be resuscitated. Back then pools weren't fenced in. I don't know how you'd have one that wasn't these days.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 30, 2010 9:13 AM


Glad you're here to tell the tale, Dik.

Reports are that it was a hottub and not a pool, though. Seems to me a kid that size could drown in even the smallest of tubs...regardless of whether there was sufficient fencing as a deterrent. The thing I don't get is how it took so long for whomever the responsible party was (and I use that term loosely) to figure out what had happened.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps San Diego would be willing to take a Skins player or two from the following list in a trade for Vincent Jackson:

Santana Moss
Andre Carter
Rob Jackson
Albert Haynesworth
Mike Sellars
Rocky McIntosh
Colt Brennan
Willie Parker


Posted by: siris | June 30, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

moe, that hot breath you feel on the back of your neck.....thats the Sox....and that stink of a rotting carcass...thats the rays...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 30, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

siris, the only guys on that list I could see SD getting any use out of is Willie Parker, Santana Moss, and/or Mike Sellers. And none of those guys is good enough individually or collectively to land us VJ without adding a draft pick.

Remember...SD runs a 3-4. So guys like McIntosh, Carter and Haynesworth won't have the same kind of value to them that they would to a team that runs a 4-3.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Greg's back!

Dude, I thought of you yesterday when I heard that Steve Carell is leaving The Office after this coming season...broke my heart, man!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

hey brownie, yeah I heard that too, they've had a good run...not sure how it will be without him, or who they could bring in to replace him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 30, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I just HATE giving up picks and going into drafts with only 4 selections. Hopefully, there's a dramatic change in philosophy there once we get the core of the team set up.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse
cosign!

Posted by: frediefritz | June 30, 2010 7:45 AM

Roger that!

Posted by: edvar | June 30, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

siris, the only guys on that list I could see SD getting any use out of is Willie Parker, Santana Moss, and/or Mike Sellers. And none of those guys is good enough individually or collectively to land us VJ without adding a draft pick.

Remember...SD runs a 3-4. So guys like McIntosh, Carter and Haynesworth won't have the same kind of value to them that they would to a team that runs a 4-3.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 9:33 AM
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Well, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a multi-team trade. Maybe AC to Carolina for a thrid round pick which we package with a lower round pick for VJ? Heck, that's a long shot, isn't it? I keep coming back to the fact that he might not get the contract he wants with the Redskins, so that just shoots the whole thing down. Maybe the whole "Redskins are interested" thing is just someone using the Skins as a way to drive up the trade value. Did I mention that Javon Walker is still available?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 30, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

hey brownie, yeah I heard that too, they've had a good run...not sure how it will be without him, or who they could bring in to replace him....

Santana Moss
Andre Carter
Rob Jackson
Albert Haynesworth
Mike Sellars
Rocky McIntosh
Colt Brennan
Willie Parker
Jack Kevorkian.

Maybe a giant sinkhole will open. The Office is done, finished, end of story.

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 30, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

moe, that hot breath you feel on the back of your neck.....thats the Sox....and that stink of a rotting carcass...thats the rays...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 30, 2010 9:31 AM
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Sox breath on the back of your neck? Village People's "Macho Man" playing in the background? Sounds like gay pride week in Boston...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 30, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I think they're just gonna write him outta the show. I give it maybe one more season after he leaves before they pull the plug altogether.

As long as they don't touch "Community", I'll be alright...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"Barring a surprise release, there won't be a very good WR class next year...Randy Moss and Donald Driver is about it. So we're looking at either trading for and/or drafting another guy.This may be the reason why they're going to give this VJ trade a REALLY good look...Posted by: brownwood26"

An unusually strong WR draft, however. Here's a list. Every one is 6'2" and 200lbs or over, and some of them are the size of Vincent Jackson:

Julio Jones, Alabama (Jr.); A.J. Green, Georgia (Jr.); Jonathan Baldwin, Pitt (Jr.); Michael Floyd, ND (Jr.); Devier Posey, Ohio State (Jr); Terrance Toliver, LSU; Chris Owusu, Stanford (Jr.).

Posted by: Samson151 | June 30, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Reports are that it was a hottub and not a pool, though. Seems to me a kid that size could drown in even the smallest of tubs...regardless of whether there was sufficient fencing as a deterrent. The thing I don't get is how it took so long for whomever the responsible party was (and I use that term loosely) to figure out what had happened.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

No doubt it is tragic. I have a hottub here at the beach, and I keep the lid latched. But with several kids at the house, maybe they had been using it, so the lid was already open.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 30, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

sounds about right....I could easily see dwight getting both angela, and isabelle preggers next season, as well as holly making a return...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 30, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

If we could trade Albert for Jackson I would do it.
No trading Jackson for a draft pick.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 30, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

siris

"Perhaps San Diego would be willing to take a Skins player or two from the following list in a trade for Vincent Jackson"

The only player worth the move from San Diego's standpoint is Albert Haynesworth.

You let AH play end, nose, and tackle, and Shawn Merriman returns to pro bowl form.

And don't put me to sleep about AH not wanting to play in a 3-4: all he wants to have is the ability to rotate along the line.

Albert will look at the chargers possible 13-3 season, and think, "Hey, nothing stops me whining like us winning."

Plus, Norv Turner is the kind of loosey-goosey head coach who'll coddle AH's playground behavior.

The chargers are primed for a Super Bowl run, and no one would fault them for adding to their defense seeing the powerful offenses--jets/colts/pats/ravens--they might see deep in the playoffs.

Again: I'd offer AH for V-Jax straight up.

No questions asked.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

beantown

"...that hot breath you feel on the back of your neck.....that's the Sox....and that stink of a rotting carcass...thats the rays..."


We Yanks fans are used to hot breathe.

It's what's used to shine the 27 rings we got.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"The general consensus of what we've heard is that San Diego Chargers GM A.J. Smith is unlikely to trade away star receiver Vincent Jackson just because No. 83 is playing contract hardball this offseason. For one, it sets a horrible precedent. Furthermore, he won't get fair value back in trade."

Agreed. The only way that Smith trades VJax is if Smith becomes convinced that he will sit out until the 10th game of the season, and then come in to accrue another year towards free agency.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | June 30, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Samson, Good call on next years WR class. Those are some quality names, any of the first three would be amazing to get.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Albert will look at the chargers possible 13-3 season, and think, "Hey, nothing stops me whining like us winning."

Plus, Norv Turner is the kind of loosey-goosey head coach who'll coddle AH's playground behavior.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2010 9:56 AM


While I wholeheartedly agree with the latter comment, you still give AH waaay too much credit...I mean, if winning was REALLY important to him, he would never have left Tennessee. The 13-3 season you think he'll look at in SD is EXACTLY what he was leaving in Nashville. I doubt he magically started to care about winning, especially now that he's paid.

Trust me...I'd LOVE a VJ for AH trade straight up. Believe me, I would sprint away from the bargaining table giggling like a schoolgirl before they even knew what him 'em. But there's no chance the self-proclaimed tough guy A.J. Smith takes that deal.

I'm still holding out hope that the Raiders give us Richard Seymour for AH straight up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I don't want Vincent Jackson.

Why get another jerk who's threatening to hold out on this team?

Devin Thomas will beast out this year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 30, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

AGAIN...SAN DIEGO PLAYS IN A 3-4

STOP TRYING TO SEND HAYNESWORTH TO SANDIEGO.

NEXT...There are several teams interested in VinceJAck, we just happened to be the only one mentioned. That doesn't mean we are the leading canidadate. And he will get no where close BMarshall money...But he will get a $7Mil/yr avearge....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"Why get another jerk--V Jax--who's threatening to hold out on this team?"

Vincent Jackson is just trying to get paid.

And he knows his value in the chargers' offense.

Thing is, he wants champaigne money, but plays for a beer owner.

Dan Snyder will cut whatever check Jackson wants.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

^^^^Condolences to the Cunningham fam....

Now is not the time to be wondering why and how....it's plenty of time to do that....The child is dead and gone irregardless...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"Why get another jerk--V Jax--who's threatening to hold out on this team?"


Vincent Jackson is just trying to get paid.

And he knows his value in the chargers' offense.

Thing is, he wants champaigne money, but plays for a beer owner.

Dan Snyder will cut whatever check Jackson wants.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me Bruce Allen is the one making the deals here, not Snyder.

If Cerrato was still here,Jackson would already be a Redskin.

But Allen doesn't seem to be making it rain all over free agents this year, so I don't see this happening.

I'm still hoping to trade AH92 to Detroit for Kevin Smith and a draft pick or two.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 30, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

It's really hard to tell which of our fleet of receivers are going to step up this year without seeing any of them at least in training camp, but one thing's for sure: I don't want to see them trade away any more draft picks, especially for a slightly disgruntled prima donna like this. Surely four of our current guys will be able to do the job. Plus, Donovan McNabb tends to make receivers look good. I'm therefore not in favor of this or any trade for a WR.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 30, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

It's really hard to tell which of our fleet of receivers are going to step up this year without seeing any of them at least in training camp, but one thing's for sure: I don't want to see them trade away any more draft picks, especially for a slightly disgruntled prima donna like this. Surely four of our current guys will be able to do the job. Plus, Donovan McNabb tends to make receivers look good. I'm therefore not in favor of this or any trade for a WR.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 30, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

CO-SIGN

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 30, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm still hoping to trade AH92 to Detroit for Kevin Smith and a draft pick or two.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 30, 2010 10:25 AM

KSmith ain't even practicing yet. We would be getting unknown damaged goods.....

Detriot's Next year's 1st, or nothing at all......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Unless we can get VJ for a fraction of his actual trade value, forget him. We may not have an excellent offense this year, we should just accept that these things take time. Experience has taught us that high-priced FA's are generally not the answer but are more of a burden.

Case in point: How does New England build championship teams?

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 30, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas will beast out this year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 30, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

lol, that's why we signed Furrey, Wade, and Galloway....cause DT11 is impressing the heck out of the Shannies.

I don't want VJax because we've already given away enough picks next year. (I love the JBrown and McNabb deals but no more picks need to be traded away) There's absolutely no way that SD, a 3-4 team, would trade for fat Albert when they couldn't possibly write a check bigger than the one we gave him and he's a malcontent that doesn't want to play in a 3-4. So they're going to trade a consistent and successful in their system malcontent for a bigger more expensive malcontent that has no desire to play in their system? No way.

I absolutely love our offseason so far. The JBrown trade was HUGE!!! now we have talent and depth on the line, we have an elite QB, we have depth at running back (btw, IMHO Ryan Torrain is our 3rd back and WP gets cut or traded in camp), talent and depth at TE, our defense will be stronger with players used properly and aggressively finally and Moss will benefit from having a real QB. Don't mortgage more of the future for an already suspended for 4 games problem child at WR. Use Davis and Cooley out wide, lots of two TE sets, and just deal with inconsistent #2 WR production. As Shawn Springs said on Redskins Now the other night, the biggest pickup this offseason for us will end up being Kyle Shanahan. "Look at what he did in Houston, after their TE got hurt that offense had one real weapon, Andre Johnson, and Shaub threw for over 4000 yards." Well, our offense has 3 to 4 legit weapons, Cooley, Moss, Davis, and maybe Portis/LJ if he's rejuvinated, what should be a more dependable rushing attack than what Houston had, what appears to be a better offensive line now, and I think most sane people would say McNabb vs. Shaub is at worst a wash and most would agree that McNabb is the better QB. We should be solid this year and next offseason we can address the receiver position in the draft. McNabb is only 33, he has 5 good years left in him if we protect him and now we actually have a line to do so, we're under no time crunch to find the "QB of the future". Roll with what we have which is pretty damn good IMHO and worry about getting more receiver help next year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | June 30, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

30 days and counting.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 30, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm still hoping to trade AH92 to Detroit for Kevin Smith and a draft pick or two.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 30, 2010 10:25 AM

Wait, you mean we could RECEIVE draft picks? What a feeling that would be!

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 30, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Can we please get 'Ray Ray' picture off of here?

Posted by: ECSkins | June 30, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

KSmith ain't even practicing yet. We would be getting unknown damaged goods.....

Detriot's Next year's 1st, or nothing at all......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

What's his injury?

I just know I loved this kid coming out of UCF. I've always thought he could be awesome if he didn't play for the Lions.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 30, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Can we please get 'Ray Ray' picture off of here?

Posted by: ECSkins

I've been saying that for days now. WaPo is on top of it I'm sure. They are immersed in meeting after meeting trying to come to a consensus on when and how to replace the pic. We only have 80 or so Skins players to choose from.
This is the Washington Ravens blog site isn't it?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 30, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Unless we can get VJ for a fraction of his actual trade value, forget him. We may not have an excellent offense this year, we should just accept that these things take time. Experience has taught us that high-priced FA's are generally not the answer but are more of a burden.

Case in point: How does New England build championship teams?

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 30, 2010 10:34 AM
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They build through the draft, sign a few free agents to plug holes and then video tape other team's practices so they know the plays they are going to run before they run them. Next question?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 30, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I don't believe we will see any significant trades the remainder of the way. If they trade AH it will be for a 3rd at best. AJ smith is not going to dump Vjax. He knew this was coming. If he wanted to trade him he would have had him out there when the Broncos traded Marshall. The only way he gets traded is if someone overwhelms them with at least a 1st and probably another pick in the 2012 draft.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 30, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Can we please get 'Ray Ray' picture off of here?

Posted by: ECSkins

I say Clinton Portis as Southeast Jerome.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 30, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Can we please get 'Ray Ray' picture off of here?

Posted by: ECSkins

I've been saying that for days now. WaPo is on top of it I'm sure. They are immersed in meeting after meeting trying to come to a consensus on when and how to replace the pic. We only have 80 or so Skins players to choose from.
This is the Washington Ravens blog site isn't it?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 30, 2010 10:52 AM
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Easy, now. there is absolutely no reason to assume the people who put up the pictures are just as asleep at the wheel as the people who post articles that tell how they are going to keep us up to date with articles... next month. Wait a minute. Yes there is.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 30, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

@ Ih8dallas in my Warren Sapp Voice:

Come on son! I know you smarter than that! When we give you a card as a RI member, you a RI MEMBER! You can't come in this joint not knowing your facts and ish. Son, you ain't prove nothing yet son. Whatever RI ask you to do you do son. Pimpin dudes to your team who have pre-exisiting injuries is never kool son!

http://www.freep.com/article/20100624/SPORTS01/6240442/Lions-running-back-Kevin-Smith-easing-his-way-into-camp-drills

Lions running back Kevin Smith easing his way into camp drills


BY CARLOS MONARREZ
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

Lions running back Kevin Smith, who is recovering from surgery on his left knee, eased his way back into drills Wednesday as the team opened a three-day minicamp in Allen Park.

Smith looked full of vigor as the team worked out in shorts and helmets. As it turned out, Smith also was full of nerves.

"I only did about maybe six, seven plays," Smith said of the morning session. "My first play I dropped the ball, I was so nervous. The next play I caught the ball and tripped and fell and got up. So it's just a progression, but I'm feeling good."

A big reason for Smith's positive outlook has been the handiwork of Dr. James Andrews, the pre-eminent sports orthopedic surgeon who repaired Smith's torn anterior cruciate ligament Dec. 22. Smith said Andrews is "smooth as butter."

"As far as I know, he's like the Jay-Z of the (sports medicine) world," Smith said. "He's the best, from my experience. ... He did a good job with my surgery. He made my surgery scar look very nice, and I'm feeling good."

Smith said he expects to be fully healed for training camp, which begins July 31.

"We're inching him back in," coach Jim Schwartz said. "He took a few team drills. We'll want to see how he reacts to doing that and then increase it a little bit more."

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Can we please get 'Ray Ray' picture off of here?

Posted by: ECSkins

I say Clinton Portis as Southeast Jerome.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 30, 2010 10:55 AM
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I hear CP is doing a new character this year Big Fat Greedee. He'll get a signing bonus to play and then he'll demand to be traded. Big Fat Greedee will require CP to wear one of those fake Sumo outfits and periodically suck from an oxygen mask...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 30, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

There's nothing in VJ's record to date that would indicate he's worth anywhere near the money he's asking for -- even in Washington.

If he's really keen to earn a best in league money, he needs to start playing at that level.

Can't do that from the bench. Besides, we already have enough of that sort of player.

Redskins need to run, not walk, but run ... away from this pretentious clown.

Posted by: Vic1 | June 30, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

way to put it in perspective, 4th. That's just my coping mechanism. I apologize.

Thx for the kind remarks, brownie.

Mrs. Shuttle just came back from the Pedi & Little Shuttleniña is 11 lbs. & strong as an ox! I'm gonna teach her to swim ASAP!!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 30, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

No worries Dik...We all..including myself, get caught up in it.....But as I see more people dying I personally know unexpectingly, then see comments in their articles on WaPo, makes me rethink it all....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

So no VJ then bring on TO for we need help at wide out

Posted by: joevick2 | June 30, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

TO??!! 36 yr old broke down scared of a hit, TO? no thanks.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 30, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

4th - I hear you. I'm so sorry.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 30, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 30, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Yo diesel here's a trade for ya......

Fattyworhtless to seattle

Seahawks send there second rnd pick to the Chargers

The bolts give up pn VJax n trade him to us??????

We keep our picks nxt yr, get rid of AH n pick up the wr we need so bad.

VJax is young n in his prime, much better option than hoping DT n MK finally develop.

Remeber what OO5 did last time he had a big receiving threat??? We even we gotta give up a 2nd n keep Cleatsworth we need to make this deal

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

What do you guys think we will use these first two picks on nxt yr???

I think with our top round picks we will take either a de/ or lb then with the second we take a wr/ or a rb.

If we would use our second on a wr why not go out n get Vjax who is proven and wouldn't need the 3yr break in period you guys have granted dt n mk......

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 30, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

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