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Final: Giants 16, Redskins 7

From Dan Steinberg:

The Redskins defense came up with a stop to begin the fourth quarter, helped by Andre Carter's sack, the team's first of the season. A Giants punt pinned the Redskins at their own 10-yard line, and one first down only prolonged the inevitable: a third-down completion that came up short of a first down.

It was their fourth possession of the half, and the fourth that ended on a third-down completion short of the marker.

The Giants moved into Washington territory again and seemed poised to put the game out of reach behind Brandon Jacobs's legs, but another sack -- this one by Chris Wilson -- forced another punt.

Down to their last chance, the Redskins began to move the ball, with a 26-yard pass to Antwaan Randle El their longest pass play of the day. Clinton Portis then rushed for another first down, before a Chris Samuels holding penalty blunted any momentum.

Finally, a fourth-down pass to Ladell Betts just before the two-minute warning came up two yards short. The Giants then ran out the clock before a thinning crowd. It was the Redskins' sixth straight season opener in which they failed to reach 17 points.

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Redskins Schedule Predictor: 59 percent of the voters had this as a loss. And overall, voters had the Redskins winning 9.6 games.

By Jon DeNunzio  |  September 4, 2008; 10:00 PM ET
 
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Comments

so much for the WCO

Posted by: doh | September 4, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is a moron

Posted by: bitner | September 4, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

ZORON

Posted by: zoron is a moron | September 4, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

The effort should be questioned tonight, and that's a sad thing to say. Usually, we don't have to question effort, but tonight we do. They had zero intensity and urgency. They're all complacent, happy to show up and throw on a helmet and not worry about the result.

Posted by: Colin | September 4, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

0-16

Posted by: Sam | September 4, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

poor play calling and clock management. We had the game after the half.

Posted by: billy | September 4, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

don't forget grab a paycheck

Posted by: sickcuz | September 4, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

ZORON

Posted by: ZORN = MORON | September 4, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Colin. There wasn't much effort. It was like a pick up game. Smoot showing off when he finally caught one of those "for supastars!!" interceptions. I don't think it was a terrible game, just more of a ho hum. I'm sure "John Madden playing" Snyder and Vinny were happy of the outcome and effort.

Posted by: bienbo | September 4, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Good news.. Does anybody know who the top recruit is probably going to be in college this year???

Posted by: Cocodc | September 4, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

this team is weak all the way around

Posted by: noluvdr | September 4, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Matthew Stafford?

I'm officially on my Doom & Gloom Campaign '08. Vote for me.

Posted by: The Truth | September 4, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

DRAFT TIM TEBOW

Posted by: DRAFT 09 | September 4, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

A lot of things went wrong there. I put some fault on Zorn, but hey it was his first day. Zorn needs some time to figure it out. I get that. He needs to learn real quick that tough from NFC West = thrown to the dirt in the NFC East.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

even if we get the first pick in the draft we'll trade it away for Kyle Boller

Posted by: noluvdr | September 4, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I mean he ran more times than he passed. We didnt run a west coast offense. On the contrary, we didnt exactly run any type of offense.

Posted by: PapaRora | September 4, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Talk about the NY media being tough, I accidently turned from DC's Comcast show to NY's Comcast show and the title of discussion was "Disappointed in Eli Tonight?"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

You didn't have the game after the half. We knew we had you chumps beat and packed it in. No reason to exert ourselves more than necessary in the heat against you losers.

Posted by: BIG BLUE | September 4, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

One and done. Zorn CLEARLY has absolutley no clue how to manage a game. At least we've got Thomas and Kelly to help solidify the passing game. Oh wait...

FIRE ZORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 4, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who the top recruit is. Dan and Vinny will either trade the pick or bring in another big name has been. Dan does not care about winning games. He only wants to make money off the fans. This team is nothing but a JOKE!

Posted by: mike1ad | September 4, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

why are you not in a hurry-up offense down by 2 scores with 5 mins to go?? I give props to the defense holding Giants to 16 points considering how many mins they were on the field... Campbell is a bum.

Posted by: Tony | September 4, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

THE PLAY THAT MOSS LOST HIS HELMET HE WAS NOT DOWN BECAUSE HE DID NOT HAVE POSSESSION WHEN HE WAS TOUCHED, but they played like hell, but it was a bad situation to put a new coach playing the super bowl champs, in new york, on primetime, oh well at least they got 10 days off to fix things and most importantly get healthy, they really needed springs tonight

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

he ran a get off the field quick offense

Posted by: noluvdr | September 4, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

ROFL HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE TEAM!!

PATHETIC!!

Posted by: Cart | September 4, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

After being depressed for about 10 minutes after the loss, I get a final kick in the head with the text from the paper already reminding me of the loss as if I forgot.

Draft Stafford

Posted by: The Truth | September 4, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Anybody looking at post game show?

Posted by: Cocodc | September 4, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Matthew Stafford isn't the answer. Bill Cowher is.

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 4, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

10 days off? they had an extra long preseason and 5 games to get us to this point!

Posted by: noluvdr | September 4, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Zorn fails his first test as HC. Badly. Although I will admit it got better as the game went on (that's not saying much).

Terrible clock management, which wasn't on JC. Horrible show of the west coast offense. The decision to keep only 5 receivers looks awful right now, especially when 2 of them stepped on the field for 1 snap combined. There seemed to be no creativity in terms of routes being run, and it looked like there was an extremely limited selection of plays in critical situations.

There were some decent parts of the game though. The running game seemed pretty good, even when the defense knew that was our only option. And our defense kept them from putting too many points on the board (even though they still couldn't stop drives).

Zorn needs to trust JC, and he needs to trust his offensive line. This offense is going nowhere if he combines Gibbs type running with west coast style routes. At some point he's either got to spread the field or take shots deep. Something has got to give.

Posted by: psps23 | September 4, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Papa, they think the run game is doing better than the pass game.
The run game needs to be changed as badly as the pass did. Gibbs Offense style was a 3 yards per play offense, it did not work. I think this team will still figure it out but it may take time

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

This game is worse than when Gibbs called back to back TO's against the Bills. How are we going to hold up against the Cowboys and Eagles?

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 4, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Has anything changed? Dink and dunk passes, a listless running game, awful O-line, no intensity, midget WRs running around, idiotic play calling. Did Zorn just promise to run the same tired Gibbs offense his first year?

Posted by: FireDanSnyder | September 4, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Brian Mitchell tells the truth

Posted by: noluvdr | September 4, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

JC appeared to have a stiff neck he could not turn his head to look down field they should get that checked.

Posted by: skinfan | September 4, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

(1) Zorn looks inept at play calling and clock management.

(2) Wide receivers look poorly coached. Poor route running, Moss Drops, Thrash drops a TD, Randle El two rookie like penalties. Time to FIRE Stan Hixon, old left over re-tread WR coach.

(3) Cooley looking totally woeful as run blocker and pass blocker, I mean woeful. WIffing on Kiwinuka, wiffing on Tuck, just getting people KILLED in the backfield.

(4) Still no answer for Plaxico, wait till Terrel Owens shows up. Smoot and Rogers are counterfit CB's. Huge cushion AGAIN! So much for press man and this bull routine from Blache. Both dropped interceptions. Springs looks like a sissy for sitting out. Laughing it up on the sidelines.

(5) Landry getting trucked over by Jacobs, but recovered. He dropped an INT too. Reed Doughty very very poor and undersized tackler. Come on! We all saw this a mile a way, he is not an NFC east Run stopping safety, seriously. Wait till Westbrokk trucks him!

(6) No potency to the offense. Huge coverage issues and holes in the defensive middle. Doughty a total liability in run D.

(7) Pass blocking early in the game was attrocious. Randy Thomas looking like a big out of shape competitive eater. Very little hope for improved results.

Posted by: DTC | September 4, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

It is going to be a long year...

Posted by: Who | September 4, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Brian Mitchell sez Zorn seemed to be a little overwhelmed calling plays.

Posted by: Cindy | September 4, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Our best offense = let Durant Brooks get hit after he kicks it, or hope the ref sees an imaginary facemask on one of our offensive players.


I vote that we get an extra 10 yards per penalty for the rest of the season.

On a serious note, I couldn't stop thinking about "What if Sean Taylor was out there". Thinks would've been very different. Our first pick next year needs to replace Doughty

Posted by: The Truth | September 4, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I Suck!

Bring in Da' Colt'!

Posted by: Jason Campbell sucks! | September 4, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

No pass rush at all, especially from the interior line. Old corner in Smoot and injury prone Springs equals very little success on defense. I won't even get into the offense, WOW, JUST WOW!

Posted by: Boggs | September 4, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Mitchell also calling out Taylor for starting to keep his streak alive. Says it was selfish and that he didn't help the team.

Posted by: Cindy | September 4, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Brian Mitchell is RIPPING the team on post game...

Posted by: Cocodc | September 4, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

On the radio, Sonny asked Zorn with 6 minutes to go where was the sense of urgency, down by 2 scores.

Zorn said, "First of all, we had 8 minutes to go..."

What an ass!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the same old offense to me. There's still no QB out there, and Campbell is obviously not a guy who can win a game for you. Just not a playmaker and he's miles behind other young QBs around the league. 24 minutes of possession? Did they even get 10 first downs? Long season ahead

Posted by: pantherman | September 4, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

even if we get the first pick in the draft we'll trade it away for Kyle Boller

Posted by: noluvdr | September 4, 2008 10:10 PM

I disagree. I think we'll trade it away for Brian Urlacher. Who we'll then move to outside linebacker to replace Rocky McIntosh.

Cerrato is a genius by the way.

Oh and fully expect Jason Taylor to retire at the end of the season to move to LA and pursue his acting career.

We'll then see remake of "Twins" next year staring Jason Taylor and Rick Fox.

Posted by: Dat2U | September 4, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs quit on team?
Should've helped FO?

Memory loss there my friend?

Joe Gibbs met w/ the Danny and begged him to keep continuity, to hire Gregg Williams!

But no, Danny needed the big change and this team looks so lost from the unit that played down the stretch!

And further more, we all knew from the beginning of Gibbs 2.0 Williams was the plan to succeed Gibbs.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 4, 2008 10:04 PM

You hit the nail on the head. I don't blame Zorn or Campbell, this all started months ago. And that's what angers me the most, is the fact that a blueprint was set for success, and Snyder ripped it up.

Posted by: ga8085 | September 4, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Sickening. Zorn doesn't deserve to be DeMatha's offensive coordinator. Much less the Skins head coach. I hate him.

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 4, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

all in all, it could have been worse.

I was impressed by Portis. He had a couple of good blocks, and a few good runs.

Dude. Zorn's first game. It could have been better. It could have been way way worse.

USA USA USA USA

sorry. watching the post-game show....

Posted by: mnskinsfan | September 4, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK | September 4, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I like to laugh at the a-holes that we never see come on here and jush bash away. Having said that, we've got a long way to go but I'm not hanging up the jerseys yet.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Scary thing is it sounds like from the post-game interview that Zorn is in denial. The head coach should take responsibility for clock management.

Posted by: Jim | September 4, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has forced me to wear my skins jersey in the cloak of darkness for now. I am saddened and ashamed. I will retreat into the mountains and live off the land until he learns how to manage a game. Hopefully, I can re-emerge next week because I'm not much of a hunter.

Posted by: John Boy Walton | September 4, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I drafted the Jags D in my fantasy league. They'll lead the league in yards against and takeaways this year as we wait for Bill Cowher to save us.

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 4, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Call me crazy but when you need 7 yds for a first shouldn't the ball be thrown at least 7 yds. The last pass to Betts had no chance of becoming a first down, so why did the moron throw it to him. How many times did our worthless QB throw for less yds. than needed for the first down. Down by two scores with 13 minutes remaing and they waste 3 minutes and pick up 5 yds. PATHETIC. I see last place in the NFC east for this team. And I'd bet on it.

Posted by: Mike | September 4, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Sooooo...I see some issues here but I'm going to be patient. I don't see a playoff team here from what I've seen in preseason and this first game but this is still a better start than Marty's year here right? That ended up better than we thought right?

The good is that Portis ran the ball with speed and patience and looked good. The defense, after a slow start, made some adjustments and kept the Giants off the board for a little over two quarters. That's impressive considering they had a gimpy Taylor, no Springs and lost Smoot in the second half.

The bad is pretty bad though. There is no rhythm in the passing game. This team should be run first down and a 50/50 run pass team on second down. Zorn did not help them with some play calls and had terrible clock managment in the second half. I didn't mind them taking time at the end of the first half but WHY WEREN'T THEY RUNNING NO HUDDLE WITH 4 MINS TO GO IN THE GAME AND DOWN BY TWO SCORES? I'm sorry that Campbell might not have all the reps he needs but you gotta give yourself a chance to win. Also, kick the bleeping field goal with time on the clock so you can come back and try to get the ball back. I think he'll learn from this if nothing else.

I'm hoping for 8-8 and a better second half than first half of the season

Posted by: Mike | September 4, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

They lost 16-7 to the defending Super Bowl champions, playing at home, and we're supposed to be down on the team, the coach, the owner, the QB? Not me. I'm down on fair-weather fans who give up on them after one game. Boo.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 4, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

we need to get Vontae Davis out of Illinois if possible, dude is a beast.


if you finish with zero wins and someone, say the Patriots, finish undefeated at 17-0, can we somehow get their first round pick as well as like a pity pick?

Posted by: The Truth | September 4, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

They're playing the wrong QB. Campbell is 5-8 as a starter the last 2 years; Collins is 4-1. End of discussion

Posted by: pantherman | September 4, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Funny, again on the radio, Campbell's answer to his FIRST question was "Like I said..."

Like you said, "when?" That was your first question.

P.S., what's the over/under on the post-came where Zoron (props to the hamster that came up w/that) pulls a Denny Green?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Is there a FireJimZorn.com website yet? Can one us start one?

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 4, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Zorn says "we've learned where we need to improve tonight"

Posted by: noluvdr | September 4, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

ZORON ZORON ZORON!!!! Who runs the ball, down by 9 with 4 minutes to go?Honestly

Posted by: your daddy | September 4, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

if Todd Collins played, Zorn would have still been calling draws on 3rd and 15

Posted by: noluvdr | September 4, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Call me crazy but when you need 7 yds for a first shouldn't the ball be thrown at least 7 yds. The last pass to Betts had no chance of becoming a first down, so why did the moron throw it to him.

Posted by: Mike | September 4, 2008 10:20 PM

Mike,

Who was open on that play that he should have thrown it to? Giants pretty much took away all the receivers beyond the first down marker, didn't they?

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 4, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

They lost 16-7 to the defending Super Bowl champions, playing at home, and we're supposed to be down on the team, the coach, the owner, the QB? Not me. I'm down on fair-weather fans who give up on them after one game. Boo.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 4, 2008 10:21 PM

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. That seems to be lost on a lot of people.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Face it, this is not a very good team and will not improve as the year goes on. Paper thin on both lines. Cooley can't block to save his life and Samuels should be fined for that takedown on Mathias on the game's last play - he really could've injured him. The skins o-line got by with several holding calls...they were and are just terrible. The D was manhandled and it's only some questionable play calling by Gilbride that kept this from an out and out rout.

Posted by: EricYing | September 4, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

he felt good at least having the ball? how about score?

Posted by: noluvdr | September 4, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Call me crazy but when you need 7 yds for a first shouldn't the ball be thrown at least 7 yds. The last pass to Betts had no chance of becoming a first down, so why did the moron throw it to him.

Posted by: Mike | September 4, 2008 10:20 PM

Mike,

Who was open on that play that he should have thrown it to? Giants pretty much took away all the receivers beyond the first down marker, didn't they?

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 4, 2008 10:23 PM

Absolutely. The endzone camera replay showed that.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

trade Portis, Cooley, Betts, Santana, Jason Campbell (we'll trade for Mr. Irrelevant), Sellers, and trade Zorn himself and start rebuilding through the draft

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

What a sorry azz game from the Skins. But maybe I had my expectations WAY to high. To me the defense was the dissapointment because there was not a big change there.

Still rooting for my redskins! Let's hope this was a learning experience.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 4, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Is there a FireJimZorn.com website yet? Can one us start one?

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 4, 2008 10:22 PM

One of us could, but I'm betting you're not the one.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 4, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

They lost 16-7 to the defending Super Bowl champions, playing at home, and we're supposed to be down on the team, the coach, the owner, the QB? Not me. I'm down on fair-weather fans who give up on them after one game. Boo.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 4, 2008 10:21 PM


You drinking Cherry or Lemon-Lime?

Posted by: GAD | September 4, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm already hearing the "We want Colt" chants at Fedex next week.

Posted by: nixx | September 4, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Will Danny fire him tonight?

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 4, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

B-Mitch has put his finger on something I think. Watching this I did not see team wide intensity. That fire in the belly once again as I asked in 2006 over and over. Where is it?

Hopefully some players will step up and call the team out this week in practice.

Posted by: sfskin | September 4, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Seriously!!! What the hell kind of game plan was he calling!! This isn't Pop Warner! He goes run-run-pass on two consecutive 3 and outs and each time that pass was set up to be SHORT of the 1st down marker!! There was no urgency of the team at the beginning, middle or end of the game and where was his clock management. Zorn looked like he was a first year elementary school football coach just trying to get his team to line up properly out there. I thought he was supposed to bring in a West Coast offense...well whatever he brought was just plain offensive. I'd normally say, Jason C. probably did his best in this situation - another year, another offensive scheme to learn - but man, he just looked pathetic, hell they all did but the blame lays squarely at the feet of the 3 blumbling baffoons. Snyder, Cerrato, and Zorn. Can't own a team, can't run a team, and can't coach a team. This is just painfully sad.

Posted by: Zorn Sucks | September 4, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Face it, this is not a very good team and will not improve as the year goes on.

Posted by: EricYing | September 4, 2008 10:24 PM

Thanks Nostradamus.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins is a biznitch we should sign Simms

Posted by: your momma | September 4, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Zorn may or may not be a good coach in time, but you do not double promote a QB coach who has never been an OC to take over a playoff team. I said the day he was hired that he would be lucky to find the men's room for the first half of the season, and tonight proves it. The "maroon and black" and their fans are in for a long season. As for My Cousin Vinny and The Boy King, their track record remains intact.

Posted by: jaypem | September 4, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Trade Zorn to an orphanage. He doesn't even deserve parents.

Posted by: Austin | September 4, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

this just in...Washington just traded their 1st and 3rd round picks for Chris Simms

Posted by: noluvdr | September 4, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

watching zorn in his post game interview, i'd be willing to bet that he will eventually pull a dennis green if the skinns go 3-13! that could make a loosing season interesting.

Posted by: scott | September 4, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas' football pants were shiny and shti...He looked like Leroy from FAME!

Posted by: sicwidit | September 4, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

What a sorry azz game from the Skins. But maybe I had my expectations WAY to high. To me the defense was the dissapointment because there was not a big change there.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 4, 2008 10:25

Curzon, the d held them to 16 points. Only one TD and three FGs. I thought the D was pretty big tonight. The O lost the game, now the d.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 4, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Tonight is not totally loss, I am digging this convention and all of the protesters standing up the Republican!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Talent evaluator, did you watch the game buddy? Did you watch the freakin game?

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 4, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

They lost 16-7 to the defending Super Bowl champions, playing at home, and we're supposed to be down on the team, the coach, the owner, the QB? Not me. I'm down on fair-weather fans who give up on them after one game. Boo.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 4, 2008 10:21 PM

They scored 7 points...7 points, the team looked like an expansion team. That's not being a fair weather fan, that's voicing concern for a team that looks really bad.

Posted by: ga8085 | September 4, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Actually t_e there was a man wide open beyond Betts is Campbell did the pump-fake (and there was time to do that) but the game was already gone by then anyway.

I have to say that was one butt-ugly game!! You guys didn't do much but neither did the Giants after the first quarter.

Having watched a 1-15 season unfold last year I certainly wouldn't advise you guys to panic and change everything, I'm sure it will come together given some time, but someone needs to bring the secondary back in for catching practice - your guys missed some INTs out there tonight.

I say just write it off and move on, nothing more to see here.

Posted by: Redcoat | September 4, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I bet we could get Culpepper to come out of retirement...

I's just sayings

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

ZORON ZORON ZORON ZORON ZORON ZORON

Posted by: ZORN = MORON | September 4, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Bring Back Brunell! FTW! lol

I have just about reached the point of apathy w/ my Skins.

Somebody summon Xenu to flush the Body Thetans (and Snyder and Cerrato) from this organization...

Posted by: Sam | September 4, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

First, it cannot be said enough how much Sean Taylor is missed...no way Jacobs trucks him the way he did LaRon.
No way Burriss doesnt look over his shoulder more if #21 is there....its sad on a human level, on a football level...a top 5 safety, one of the most feared is gone..poof..not traded, we didnt get anything for it..just gone.
That will haunt us all year.

On offense,we looked as clueless as we did under Spurrier.
Campbell has regressed, the O-line gets pummelled, we have Shawn Springs laughing on the sideline...Portis played hard, but overall the effort isnt there.
Jansen gets benched...I like Heyer, but false start on first play of the game

Posted by: Zornholed | September 4, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Nobody's blaming the D. We want Zorn's head on a platter. If Zorn had any influence on our D, we'd have lost 56-7.

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 4, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Zorn sounds kinda like Xeno. Coincidence? I think not. I blame it all on Scientology, cuz you KNOW Snyder is all up Tom Cruise's cornhole...

Posted by: Sam | September 4, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas' football pants were shiny and shti...He looked like Leroy from FAME!

Posted by: sicwidit | September 4, 2008 10:27 PM

LMAO! I want to live forever?

Posted by: ga8085 | September 4, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

This is going to get very ugly very fast.

Posted by: GAD | September 4, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Prediction: The team will lose faith in Zorn and abandon him.

Prediction: Empty seats at Fed-Ex. In a tight economy you give up those tight fist dollars for a winner, something to make you feel good. Who wants to pay all that money to go see this pile of steaming crap? We have been waiting for a good offense to show up here for over 15 years.

Jason Taylor looked like crap. Our draft picks are a joke. Zorn is a freaking joke.

Vinny and Dan punted this season, its time to punt them and their team.

Posted by: DTC | September 4, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Hey come off it you negative people. My burgandy and gold colors don't run. This game was one or two plays from being a Redskins W. The Skins are young, the pieces are still coming together. Zorn is still learning the offense and will have it down by mid-season. Look for 4-4 followed by 7-1 and a deep playoff run.

Posted by: R. Pettibone | September 4, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Do I make you ZORNY?!?!?!

Posted by: 7 HUGE POINTS | September 4, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor wouldn't have allowed Burris to catch all those balls. He would have taken his head off. RIP ST

Posted by: Austin | September 4, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

McCain gives a speech like Zorn calls a game.

Posted by: isnadd | September 4, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

a real fan would call it like they see it and stop towing the company line...this team is far from good. We could see this during the preseason...tear it down and start all over.

Posted by: noluvdr | September 4, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

It's not Zorn idiots!!!!!!

This whole WR corps needs to be turned over.

JC may not be that dude! Colt may throw 5 picks but at least he'll throw it!

Posted by: sicwidit | September 4, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

One positive from the game: Zorn's coaching getup looks way better then that crappy stuff worn by Gibbs 2.0.

Posted by: EricYing | September 4, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I cry when I mention ST....please make it stop!

Posted by: sicwidit | September 4, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones is licking his lips. He wants the Skins bad this year.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

PREDICTION: HOME BLACKOUTS! COMING SOON!

Posted by: CART | September 4, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

and we can't blame Portis..he and Cartwright seemed to be the only ones pissed enough to try to compete

Posted by: noluvdr | September 4, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't think there are fair weather fans on this blog by any means, just seriously concerned and frustrated ones.

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 4, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Now that I have calmed down... I realize it could (and should) have been alot worst.. The defense stiffened up a bit 3rd quarter (or maybe the Giants stopped playing). The only real glarring ploblem that has to be fixed is the PASSING game. And that starts with JC hesitating.. That is is MAIN problem! Collins is NOT the answweer.. Who said that?? He SUCKED in preseason.. He sucks in this offense.. I say stick with JC this year.. But if u have to go to someone go to COLT.. Only becuase he is young and will gun it no matter what.. Not scared of a interception...

Posted by: Cocodc | September 4, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Sickening. Zorn doesn't deserve to be DeMatha's offensive coordinator. Much less the Skins head coach. I hate him.

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 4, 2008 10:18 PM

Firing him is letting him off too easy. Why don't you guys just KILL him?

Posted by: DandyDon | September 4, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Curzon, the d held them to 16 points. Only one TD and three FGs. I thought the D was pretty big tonight. The O lost the game, now the d.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 4, 2008 10:27 PM

TE, I know the O lost this game. It was the dropped interceptions that dissappointed me. One in the end zone and three that would have kept them from scoring. The D in the 2nd half was good, but they cannot drop those INTs.

And the offense has a new system. That is why I am giving them a pass on this.

My point is that MY expectations were way too high.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 4, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Okay well craptastic first week and game. But it is still only the first week and we did hold the SB champs to 16 points in a game where they should as many have said hung 30+ on us.

So I shall gnash my teeth some more and then I shall get back on the horse for next week and get excited.

Still my Skins and well it's been a long frustrating 15 years so I'm good at it.

HTTR!

Posted by: sfskin | September 4, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

and another problem is these cushions our "corners" give up

Posted by: noluvdr | September 4, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm done for the night. I'm going to go drink heavily. Zorn will get my apology when I hit step 9 and have to make amends to those I've harmed with my alcoholism.

Posted by: Austin | September 4, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Is any one else feeling ZOOOOORRRRNNNNYYYY???

Posted by: WCO = 7 BIG Points | September 4, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

What do you expect when you do a fire sale after a playoff season?

Posted by: ga8085 | September 4, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Now that I have calmed down... I realize that that was still CRAPTASTIC.

Posted by: Cart | September 4, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Please sell this team so that the talent can actually be used by coaches who know what they are doing!!

Posted by: Dan | September 4, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

We need a shutdow CB!!!!! Fukc the draft and development. Trade some draft picks and throw some cash at a young CB. Rogers can't play!!!!!!!

Springs could play, they were just trying to hold on....

Springs should have played...stop lying Greg Blache!

Posted by: sicwidit | September 4, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

The Saints are an improved and motivated team this year, this could get scary next week. Brees only throws for 4000 yards every year. Good thing our corners are healthy. Oh wait...

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 4, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

This blog is priceless. Never have I seen such a high collection of morons in one place. Makes me ashamed to be a skins fan because I am force to say that I am affiliated with you retards. Just a shame.

Posted by: voice of reason | September 4, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

JC may not be that dude! Colt may throw 5 picks but at least he'll throw it!

Posted by: sicwidit | September 4, 2008 10:31 PM

Good call. That's what we want. 5 Picks over 1 TD. Brilliant.

Posted by: psps23 | September 4, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

the difference between us and last years Giants is Heart...they had it we don't even know what it is

Posted by: noluvdr | September 4, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Did ownership and fans abandon Noll, or Walsh or Lombardi or Landry or Halas or Chuck Knox or Lou Grant after one close loss on the road? Give Zorn a season and he'll repay your loyalty with hardware in the cabinet. Let's pull together and make a difference.

Posted by: Track | September 4, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's play calling was almost as flat and predictable as McCain's Speech.

Posted by: so hard to love the redskins | September 4, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Who ARE all these people? It reads like "jumpers night" down at the Golden Gate Bridge on here...

Posted by: Redcoat | September 4, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

"Makes me ashamed to be a skins fan because I am force to say that I am affiliated with you retards. Just a shame.
Posted by: voice of reason"

Watch out then, we got retard strength.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

basic = average = mediocre

Posted by: noluvdr | September 4, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Only bright spot, the Giants started 0-2 last year and gave up 80 points and a thousand yards. They ended up winning the Super Bowl. We only gave up 16...

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 4, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Even i know that game sucked

Posted by: Trig | September 4, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I told you guys earlier that Cooley could NOT block. He whiffed 3 times against Tuck. All negative plays.

Very, very frustrated right now and completely disappointed.

The play calling tonight was much worse than Al Saunders.

Jason was lockinng on to 1 receiver all night!

Posted by: Hail2thechief | September 4, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I am not hitting PANIC yet. I am disappointed but who isn't. They need to re-work the run game from the ground up. All teams need to do is rush the center and we are done. Cooley, is a great catcher but needs to split out faster.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Sure could've used McMullin tonight, he couldn't have been worse than any other reciever out there and, oh yeah, he's healthy and in shape!

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 4, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

"Only bright spot, the Giants started 0-2 last year and gave up 80 points and a thousand yards. They ended up winning the Super Bowl. We only gave up 16..."


Saints 64
Redskins 17

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

"Makes me ashamed to be a skins fan because I am force to say that I am affiliated with you retards. Just a shame.
Posted by: voice of reason"


Watch out then, we got retard strength.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:37 PM

LOL, Can retards catch and block?

Posted by: ga8085 | September 4, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Prediction: Zorn Loses this Team, they abandon his schemes as useless.

Prediction: Lots of empty seats at Fed-Ex. People don't spend tight-fisted dollars in a down economy on a total loser like the skins. They want something to feel good about. Not getting trucked and trounced by the Giants. Not watching an offense that doesn't even run routes that give a chance for a first down! Why do we keep ending up in the national TV opener! We suck. Our draft choices suck!

We have been waiting 15 years for a real offense to show up here and get a home play-off game. I'm sick of waiting and losing.

Posted by: DTC | September 4, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Voice of Reason,

We are you, mister. You call us out then you call your own mug out in front of your own mirror. Don't cast diversions at us, cause when you point a finger at another Skins guy, you point three or four at yourself buddy.

Posted by: Funbrunch | September 4, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

There are not enough papers, radio stations, and six flags in the world for Danny to buy to cover up that garbage!

Posted by: GO 2008 DRAFT | September 4, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Great night for Obama...McCain has as much as emotion as a drive thru cashier at McDonalds when there is a happy meal promotion going on and they don't have any toys and kids are crying in the car and he doesn't know how to run the milkshake machine and the floors need cleaning.

Posted by: Chicken McDooDoo Pants | September 4, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

We're sure gonna miss that 2nd round pick. It's gonna be a good one.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

SIX FLAGS IS A GHETTO HOLE and I would rather be there then at a Redskins game this year.

Posted by: Disgusted | September 4, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Cooley was Tuckered.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Eli made Jason look awful, like a rookie actually and this is NOT what we expect or deserve!!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 4, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

SIX FLAGS IS A GHETTO HOLE and I would rather be there than at a Redskins game this year

Posted by: STILL DISGUSTED | September 4, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Drew Brees gets hurt next week....

Mark Brunell 21/45 406 yds...5 TD's
David Patten 7/210

Posted by: sicwidit | September 4, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Is preseason over yet?

Posted by: Dale | September 4, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh Mr. Cooke it's nights like tonight when we miss you the most...

when your owner doesn't put football first you'll never be a winner.

Posted by: raljon | September 4, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Bring on Colt! At least it will be intereting to watch. JC is not smart.

Posted by: dankitsap | September 4, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

This blog is priceless. Never have I seen such a high collection of morons in one place. Makes me ashamed to be a skins fan because I am force to say that I am affiliated with you retards. Just a shame.

Posted by: voice of reason | September 4, 2008 10:36 PM

See that X in the red square in the upper right hand corner of your computer screen. Feel free to left click on it any time you no longer want to be affiliated.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

We should sign Albert Connell for the week. He knows the Saints playbook.

Posted by: He aint no thief | September 4, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Anon at 10:44 was me.

Posted by: LH | September 4, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

JC is some shti...I just want some chowda'

Posted by: Pete Kendall | September 4, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Jason isn't the guy, at least he is not our guy. If he plays this poorly against NO then we need to bring Tasty Drink in right away!!!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 4, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh, did you guys hear Al Michaels slam Cerrato?

Referring to the Giants D coordiantor Michaels said he was offered the skin's head job but turned it down and then said cerrato said it never was offered. Michaels then said "Revisionist history and I'll leave it at that". Not a direct quote but close.

Posted by: raljon | September 4, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't know 'bout you guys, but I sense a really bad vibe with this team.

They almost don't even seem like a team.

It's like they just hit camp a week or two ago.

Posted by: GAD | September 4, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

And what would Cooke do? Squat. There is no fixin this squadron of skinnies. Gibbs had us rockin at the end of last season and now where are we...drilling for oil in a bowling alley.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Is now a good time to preach patience? It's gonna be a long year but we're gonna have to tough it out. The last thing we need to do is start calling for Jim Zorn's head or Colt Brennan to start. It takes a good 3 years to master this season and now we're down to 2 years and 364 days.

Posted by: etrod | September 4, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

The reason we lost is because of the lack of continuity. This Giants team has been together for some time. We change coaches and offenses way too soon. And with Danny running the team we may be changing this coach/offense again too soon.

What we as fans need to do is stick with our Skins through BAD and good. Time for us to step up like we want our team to do.

Or do you not have the cajoles?

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 4, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

yikes....well that wasn't fun....defense at least played half heartedly and portis...

Zorn, well...welcome to NFL head coaching

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 4, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, it takes 3 years to master this offense.

Posted by: etrod | September 4, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I have an idea, let's hire an entire coaching staff and then try to recruit a head coach, not gain any interested parties except Fassell and then promote Jim Zorn to head coach, a guy who has never run an offense let alone a team.

Posted by: Chicken McDooDoo Pants | September 4, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

See that X in the red square in the upper right hand corner of your computer screen. Feel free to left click on it any time you no longer want to be affiliated.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:44 PM

I can't stop being a skins fan moron, and I have a feeling your expectations will never be met.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Mr. GLASS HALF EMPTY SOUNDS A NOTE OF OPTIMISM

Badly called game Mr. Zorn. No rhythm. Too much running, little imagination. Bad clock management.

Now for all you imbeciles calling for his firing:

IT WAS HIS FIRST GAME CALLING PLAYS!!

HIS FIRST GAME AS HEAD COACH!!

This will take time. It's one reason why expecting to beat the Giants was silly.

Zorn is smart. He'll learn. He'll become a good play caller.

And despite the wretched start, the team didnt' quit on him.

OTHER ISSUES:

The DEFENSE.

Nice halftime adjustments.

FATAL BLOW: before the game when one of its elderly DBs, Springs, was ruled out. Another old timer, Smoot got hurt during the game. Nice job of restocking the DB, Vin.

LIGHTWEIGHT DEs: Giants made most of their yardage running off tackle against 244 pound Taylor and 250 pound Carter.

Taylor was ineffective. I'd blame his knee, but he was ineffective before he hurt it, too.

Bend but not break defense will drive you nuts. But it DID hold them to 16 points.

SPECIAL TEAMS:

All you "cut Cartright" types were wrong.

Brooks was mediocre, but it was HIS first game, too.

Ten rookies drafted, and kept on the team and NONE had any positive impact. Horton knocked a guy out of the game--unfortunately, it was Smoot.

All these past messed up drafts and messed up FA acquisitions are coming back to harm the redskins.

But it could have been MUCH worse tonite....


Posted by: Corkczar | September 4, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I liked seeing Portis make a good block and a couple of runs...dude is a player. And at least ex-Jet Kendall has some self respect throwing Peirce around. I liked that.

Chris Wilson got a decent sack and so did Andre Carter. Carter showed some heart running down Jacobs from behind. Fletcher plays big down near the red zone. Old puny Rock had a good run back.

Everything else was a big cleveland steamer. Its just not enough.

Posted by: DTC | September 4, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I got goat nuts but I ain't puttin' up with the bullspit of not running the no huddle down by 2 scores with 4 minutes left.

I can understand not grasping the offense, struggling a little but I'll be damned if I gonna sit idle while the team I get up for every Sunday doesn't try.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 4, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Well said Corkczar.

Posted by: 1st and Goal | September 4, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Face it squarely. The Skins have mediocre receivers, a gun shy gunslinger, a bargain backfield and an weak-noodle offensive line. Honestly I don't see any powerhouse potential with this OL crew. We need to build through the draft, and that may take 4 or 7 years. Patience and pride are called for now, and into the future.

Posted by: Mr Real | September 4, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Lesson #1 for coach Zorn:

If you run Portis behind Kendall 4 times in a row on 1st down, the defense is going to notice a pattern.

Posted by: etrod | September 4, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Well said Corkczar.

Posted by: 1st and Goal | September 4, 2008 10:51 PM

here here!!

Posted by: voiceofreason | September 4, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

just watched zorn's presser...i don't think he likes jc much either...

Posted by: dealer | September 4, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor has me nervous, bad knee and all. Not one play made all game. Either he is done or still injured and had no business in that game.

Posted by: 1st and Goal | September 4, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Zoron is in over his head, but he's still paddling and resisting the lifeguard floater.

Plus he is really slamming Campbell. Remember Portis saying recently that they wanted to play hard for Gibbs b/c he didn't slam them in public?

Hmmmm....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

You can blame J. Campbell at all for this game. Thrash dropped a sure TD with a perfectly thrown bomb late in the game. Zorn's to blame for the clock management...given the oline and inept play calling, gotta give JC a full season grace. He's the real deal...I don't want another Ramsey/Matthews/Banks...give it time. Stop whining!

Posted by: The GOAT | September 4, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Cooke would never have had a buffoon like cerrato running the team.

Posted by: raljon | September 4, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

It's just one game. They can't play much worse on offense. Defense did much better as game progressed. Jacobs is a load and he will scraping DBs off of his helmet and shoulder pads every week. Burris is a tough cover. Holding them to 16 was impressive considering the D got no help from the O.

Let's see what adjustments are made next week.

Posted by: LH | September 4, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

What would Cooke have done?

Maybe win 3 super bowls you idiot.

Posted by: raljon | September 4, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I can blame Jason Campbell for not looking at open receivers, which he did on more than one occasion this evening.

He should get slammed for the way he played. It wasn't all on him but a lot of it was.

Posted by: etrod | September 4, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I truly believe Vinny is a complete moron but he isn't on the field or calling the plays....Wonder what coach Joe is thinking right now?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 4, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Blache on Comcast looks like someone has a gun in his side.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

You ask any one before this game if they would be happy hold the giants to 16 and 90% say yes. The other 10% are idiots who have us going 16-0. 7 Points from the offense is going to win us exactly 2 games this year. It is a offensive system give the Zoron (he can redeem himself and lose his first week nickname) a chance.

Posted by: 1st and Goal | September 4, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

This team just needs to bond. It needs a fun-day: Chuck-E-Cheese Pizza Party, Smithsonian tour, etc. They just need a better sense of unity and then the purpose and plan and performance will follow.

Posted by: M. Bass | September 4, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Anyone here around when Gibbs 1.0 started up? Anyone? Started 0-5 for your info. Lighten up you blithering bunch of fairweather jacka$$es. Take your licks and live to fight another day. Sounds like a bunch of fu(kin quiters and whiners.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Joe is thinking... They didn't even fight their guts out. Praise JESUS! VROOM VROOM VROOM!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Why is Gensler on the Sports show? Stick to wasting MD's tax dollars.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

what did Zorn say about Campbell?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I truly believe Vinny is a complete moron but he isn't on the field or calling the plays....Wonder what coach Joe is thinking right now?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 4, 2008 10:57 PM

Coach Joe is probably thinking, "I did a hell of a lot worse than this in my first game."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

@ 1st & Goal

Tell the Zoron "Welcome to DC"
No free passes jack@ss

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 4, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Lesson #1 for coach Zorn:

If you run Portis behind Kendall 4 times in a row on 1st down, the defense is going to notice a pattern.

Posted by: etrod | September 4, 2008 10:52 PM

We didnt seem to notice that NYG ran 6 straight times at Taylor and gained about 40 yards. Sometimes the players need to hold their blocks or shed their blocks, you can only coach so much.

Posted by: someone | September 4, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

@Hail2theChief

You are an idiot.

Posted by: One Game Moron | September 4, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's 4th quarter playcalling was bad. I think he's a guy that can learn from mistakes and will get better,though. Should have been in the hurry up.

Campbellis playing too careful. He needs to unleash it and make some plays. That said, his surrounding cast let him down with some drops and, especially, by not running their routes beyond the sticks on third down. It sounds like he called a couple receivers out on that tonight, which is a good step towards taking leadership.

Defense was shaky early but put in a solid effort worthy of a win. You hold that team to 16 points at their place and you deserve to win. They need to hang on to those picks, but I'll take 16 points allowed every week if I can get it.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 4, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Too many gas-bags on this site. I'm off in search of another blog with some positive Skins fans. We've got a tiger by the tail if we just let Zorn catch his wind.

Posted by: J K Cooke | September 4, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

@ Moron

Perhaps I am but my name is way cooler than urs!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 4, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, it takes 3 years to master this offense.

Posted by: etrod | September 4, 2008 10:48 PM

LOL - I thought it took that long to master Al Saunders' scheme...

Seriously though - you do have a point. If I remember correctly, Seattle was mediocre for a couple of years there with Hasselback. I think the problem is, the Skins are not a young team that will get better and better. We look very old out there. And I know this isn't news...but really, the problem isn't Zorn as much as it's Synder's impetuousness. It was petty of him and Vinny to want that change to the WCO. JC, bless his heart, is still too raw. The problem with Saunders' offense was its complexity. JC's evolution is key to everything. (Though I do have to say, when he opens his mouth, he sounds like the most uneducated man I've EVER heard. Does Auburn not teach their students how to speak?)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Beep beep

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired, drunk & pissed off at the way my team played tonight. Sat and watched every snap and saw every 3rd down play that we ran a route 2 yards short of the marker. I have a right to complain because I have a freakin keyboard!

USA USA USA

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 4, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Mr. GLASS HALF EMPTY SOUNDS A NOTE OF OPTIMISM

Badly called game Mr. Zorn. No rhythm. Too much running, little imagination. Bad clock management.

Now for all you imbeciles calling for his firing:

IT WAS HIS FIRST GAME CALLING PLAYS!!

HIS FIRST GAME AS HEAD COACH!!

This will take time. It's one reason why expecting to beat the Giants was silly.

Zorn is smart. He'll learn. He'll become a good play caller.

And despite the wretched start, the team didnt' quit on him.

OTHER ISSUES:

The DEFENSE.

Nice halftime adjustments.

FATAL BLOW: before the game when one of its elderly DBs, Springs, was ruled out. Another old timer, Smoot got hurt during the game. Nice job of restocking the DB, Vin.

LIGHTWEIGHT DEs: Giants made most of their yardage running off tackle against 244 pound Taylor and 250 pound Carter.

Taylor was ineffective. I'd blame his knee, but he was ineffective before he hurt it, too.

Bend but not break defense will drive you nuts. But it DID hold them to 16 points.

SPECIAL TEAMS:

All you "cut Cartright" types were wrong.

Brooks was mediocre, but it was HIS first game, too.

Ten rookies drafted, and kept on the team and NONE had any positive impact. Horton knocked a guy out of the game--unfortunately, it was Smoot.

All these past messed up drafts and messed up FA acquisitions are coming back to harm the redskins.

But it could have been MUCH worse tonite....

Posted by: Corkczar | September 4, 2008 10:49 PM

For the first time ever I agree with most of what Corky said. I would add give the rookies a chance, it was their first game too, not just the punter. We had a team that made it to the playoffs last year. Hard not to start them. Too bad they looked like a bag f a$$ for a good bit of the game. That will change I think. They actually kinda looked like the team that won the Superbowl last year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

We'll bounce back against the Aints next week.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 4, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, bad clock management and 5 yard passes on 3rd and 9. Coch Joe must still be in the building.

Posted by: Jamie | September 4, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Campbell will be fine. This offense is totally suited to his strengths. It's just going to be an adjustment period. He'll get better and better. He's the real deal. I think any wins early in the year will be mostly defensive defensive (no more than 14 or 17 from the offense), but hopefully by late October the offense starts to really turn it on.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 4, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Bounce back? Against the Saints...has our proud organization come to this thin broth?...merely hoping that we manage to squeek by the sickly Saints? Oh man, Cooke would be seriously furious at this.

Posted by: A Monk | September 4, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

McCain is done.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Love the excuses by the Campbell apologists. Todd Collins won here last December and led DC to the playoffs. Yet few people acknowledge or respects this. Jason allegedly played in this system his senior year at Auburn. T.C. played in it for two seasons in the NFL. WAKE UP! How many games will they lose before the 2nd rated passer in the NFL in 2007 plays instead of the 20th? Zorn doesn't throw the ball, just calls plays that would have worked with a smarter QB that can read a defense quicker. Most Post reporters and most of the public swallow whatever Snyder and his media lackeys shovel out to them. Excuses are like A-holes; everyone's got one. Just ask #17, its never his fault.

Posted by: dc1 | September 4, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato-Snyder is a freaking moron!
Cerrato-Snyder is a freaking moron!
Cerrato-Snyder is a freaking moron!
Cerrato-Snyder is a freaking moron!
Cerrato-Snyder is a freaking moron!
Cerrato-Snyder is a freaking moron!
Cerrato-Snyder is a freaking moron!
Cerrato-Snyder is a freaking moron!
Cerrato-Snyder is a freaking moron!
Cerrato-Snyder is a freaking moron!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain WILL be the next president of the United States of America!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 4, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

hey is it just me, or did you note the relative ABSENCE of slant patterns? There was ONE called (which Santana dropped) all game. I thought that's what the WCO was all about?
I mean, hell, I played WR in high school - and I sure would have called a slant on 3rd and 1 - or run a hot route for a quick in -- if I saw the LBs crowding the line for the run. It's football 101.

Am I wrong?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones is licking his lippies.

Posted by: Jethrine | September 4, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Campbell made it pretty clear in his on-field interview that those receivers were supposed to run their routes past the marker (I am assuming Betts on the last 4th down was an exception). I dont put those on him or Zorn.

Cooley looked TERRIBLE blocking. He better watch out or Zorn will put Yoder out there. If you don't think so, talk to Jansen.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 4, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Is it Zorn's play calling or Jason Campbell's ineptitude on third and fourth downs when we need X yards and get X - 1 yards? (Sorry for using higher mathematical formulas but I figure most of us are geniuses anyway!) I will go out on a limb to say that it is Jason Campbell's fault for not executing the play to its intended purpose. Does this guy even know what is going on or how many yards we need? Can he not convey that to the receivers in the huddle or are they still having a hard time understanding his accent? The LPGA should make him learn to speak ENGLISH!!!!!

Posted by: Confused | September 4, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

hey is it just me, or did you note the relative ABSENCE of slant patterns? There was ONE called (which Santana dropped) all game. I thought that's what the WCO was all about?
I mean, hell, I played WR in high school - and I sure would have called a slant on 3rd and 1 - or run a hot route for a quick in -- if I saw the LBs crowding the line for the run. It's football 101.

Am I wrong?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:12 PM

The wide receivers called the plays at your high school? That must have been interesting.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 4, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I was on here earlier telling everyone the Cooley can not block and that we really needed to step it up. I was laughed off and called an idiot etc...

look who's talking now

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 4, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

All you people who keep calling us fair weather fans and "we need to stick with them" don't get it. Real fans SHOULD be upset with a game like tonight and have a right to go off.

Posted by: druggie | September 4, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Zorn will be fine. He's got a football mind like a trip-wire. Unfortunately the entire OL just triggered it and blew up the game.

Posted by: Living Largent | September 4, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Those failed conversions are on the receivers for cutting their routes short. They see a hole and so they try to sit down in it, but the only reason there is a hole there is because it is SHORT! They need to run the play the way it is designed or there's nothing Campbell (or Zorn) can do about it.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 4, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I believe that it is hard to match up Cooley or any tight end 1 on 1 against Tuck and expect good results.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

All you people who keep calling us fair weather fans and "we need to stick with them" don't get it. Real fans SHOULD be upset with a game like tonight and have a right to go off.

Posted by: druggie | September 4, 2008 11:15 PM

Good to be angry, but lets not decide Zorn is an idiot after one game. The knee-jerk reactions are a problem because the owner is too quick to act that way.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 4, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

All you people who keep calling us fair weather fans and "we need to stick with them" don't get it. Real fans SHOULD be upset with a game like tonight and have a right to go off.

Posted by: druggie | September 4, 2008 11:15 PM

Real fans are upset but don't start calling for the coaches head after his FIRST FU(KING GAME. Your name says it all. If your so called real friends had their way we would have never won 3 Superbowls with Gibbs.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Don't disagree SCampbell but you have to be able to ge between the DE and the ball when the run play is called away from you. It was like CC didn't kow the snap count and Tuck did.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 4, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Soooooooooo... guys, how'd the game go? Did we win?

Posted by: That Guy | September 4, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Was Zorn calling a high school game? He makes Joe Gibbs look like Mike Martz. So we only have one season of this before we hire Bill Cowher...right?

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 4, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Mike H.

Did you play for Mount Vernon? I think I remember your famous quick slants from a few years ago. Also, the receivers didn't give up on their routes bro, nor do Zorn and Campbell have trouble designing plays the receivers can understand. OK? sheesh

Posted by: Q. Slant | September 4, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I play racquetball. Can I GM the Skins?

Posted by: Timmy | September 4, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I believe that it is hard to match up Cooley or any tight end 1 on 1 against Tuck and expect good results.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 11:17 PM

I played some tight end in college. The plays were running away from Cooley, all he was asked to do is cut off the back side pursuit. Literally just get in Tuck's way. Cooley appeared to be very late off the ball several times and because of that he could not get in position. It's not really the same thing as asking him to block Tuck one-on-one. It is a much easier assignment than that.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 4, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Don't disagree SCampbell but you have to be able to ge between the DE and the ball when the run play is called away from you. It was like CC didn't kow the snap count and Tuck did.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 4, 2008 11:20 PM

It looked like he was expecting help. Seems to me like the offense doesn't really have a grip on all the play calling.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Colt + McMullen would have been better....

Oh wait we cut McMullen... our only productive receiver in the preseason.... because Vinny Cerrato wants to keep his bust "receivers" .... and I mean that in both connotations on the word.

Posted by: SkinsNoWins | September 4, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

If you go back and look at the 1st deep ball Campbell threw to Moss he did give up on the route. He pulled up and took off again and it wasn't a juke or out and up I'm talking bout after that he thought JC was sacked and he had 2 steps on the coverage...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 4, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

I played some tight end in college. The plays were running away from Cooley, all he was asked to do is cut off the back side pursuit. Literally just get in Tuck's way. Cooley appeared to be very late off the ball several times and because of that he could not get in position. It's not really the same thing as asking him to block Tuck one-on-one. It is a much easier assignment than that.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 4, 2008 11:23 PM

I can buy that. He did it against that Kiwanuka guy too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Mike H.

Did you play for Mount Vernon? I think I remember your famous quick slants from a few years ago. Also, the receivers didn't give up on their routes bro, nor do Zorn and Campbell have trouble designing plays the receivers can understand. OK? sheesh

Posted by: Q. Slant | September 4, 2008 11:21 PM

Umm...I didn't say anything about quick slants. On those plays, with the exception of the Betts play on the last 4th down, which was a release from the backfield, the routes are supposed to be run PAST THE STICKS on third down. The play is not designed to go short, the receivers just adjusted them short. Campbell said as much and Zorn confirmed it. Receivers do it a lot because they know they can get open underneath, but the problem is you have to get lucky and break a tackle.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I played with some tight ends in college too.

Heyooh!

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 4, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Peace fellas, there is always next week

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 4, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, we live to fight another day. Until a later date. G'night.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

The only people who read this will be ... well, few will read this.

No reason to panic. The Skins kicked the crap out of the Giants for the final three quarters of that game.

It is VERY, VERY hard to overcome a home crowd and a team celebrating, for the first time since it happened, in the home arena, the win of a Superbowl. Very hard.

After a gut punching touchdown RUN by the mouth breathing LBM, the Skins D arose (and Blache pulled out his blitz boook) and PUNISHED Mr. Next Born after Peyton, with great abandon. He was removed from the game though many punishing hits ... which were legal because they would have been sacks if he hadn't thrown ... which he also did badly under the circumstances. [Manning's partner in danger, the most dangerous WR in the NFL, Plexico Burress, coming onto the field with the feeling associated with signing an $11M contract, performed like you would hope someone who you just paid $11M would perform, also performed very well. Good job, Michigan State guy.]

SO MANY defensive "big lays" made by individual players ... primarily Smoot, who gets the game ball, but also including the ripening of Chris Wilson (who has picked up his upward career trajectory after having his limits tested -- and bested -- in the preseason) ... and the Skins sacking D, thank you very much, Mr. Carter. Jason Taylor, who very uglily spraining his knee, took a warrior's share of a punishing by Gilbride (or whoever it is that calling those runs to the outside right rushing plays). The Skins have regained the NFL necessity of "QB pressure" mojo. [Next week, Smoot out, Springs in. Carlos had an AWESOME game.]

Jason Campbell suffered only a "statistical" barf bag on completions, but not always his fault. Plus, he was finding the rhythm. [Note: Jimzorn had a great game of momentum management after the 1st quarter.] Most importantly, Jason Campbell took minimal wear and tear ... even for the sack loss yardage. Sounds worse than it is ... but better than it looked ... not a cause for alarm ... BECAUSE ...

We kicked the crap out of them for the final three quarters. Coughlin got a bad* case of Gibbs' conservative "sit on the lead" syndrome. Once he gets comfortable with it, it will spell his doom. Jimzorn has rabachs. I will not discuss his clock management in the 4th quarter, but with the enthusiasm of the possibilities left on the field, I cannot second guess any of his choices. It was exciting football again. Jason Campbell found his groove. Portis reported to duty as called ... and delivered. [Every one of the gamers -- Portis, Cooley, Santana, and especially Randel El -- SJKed up on what should have and could have been what they get paid for.] This was a totally winnable game ... the offensive coordination mind meld called everything right ... it was individual player's concentration. This offseason, every one of those guys needs to focus on centering (except Rabach, who also had a great night, because he knows how to center the ball as well).

Heyer? The man is the man in pass blocking. Rush blocking? Results may vary. Portis could not run right ... which had not so much to do with Portis. Did I mention Jason Campbell never took a sack that hurt him (like the half dozen that Eli took).

Officiating was even. BOTH Kendall and Antonio Pierce should have been ejected for unsportsmanlike face-masking, but the refs said "fine" after Kendall got the headbutt with his helmet on Pierce's fact when Pierce's helmet popped off. They were square; that's football (though Pierce's concentration was completely rattled ... leading to a big penalty a few plays later).

Smoot's leg. Friendly fire. Chris Horton accidentally gives him a kidney punch with his knee? Seems like the Skins' injuries have been too much friendly fire. Wasn't Jansen hurt last year b/c another lineman rolled over him?] Game well played, Frederick. The interference call moving the ball to the Skins' 1 was bogus ... or, at least, debatable. Force outs. Hmph.

The Skins have a punter. Special teams won the net yardage on change of possession game. McDougle should be fined by the league for the roughness on the punter. It was a bogus and intentional hit directly on the kicker's hamstring. UNcool.

I dunno. I enjoyed it. Tough crowd in the first quarter, but the Skins won the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters ... three 7-0. Low scores. NFC East.

You all saw it. Should this have been a guest post?


* For us, not them.

Posted by: dcsween | September 4, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

It is what it is. I was encouraged by the play of the defense. Just want to see progress next week on offense. A little maturation is all. And then a little more the week after.

I think we were very lucky to start on the road and are actually kind of lucky to get all three division road games out of the way early. If this team can get a little something together and a few defensive wins by the half-way point, they may be able to make a run.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 4, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

If you could hire one man to fix this thing, who would it be? I'm thinking Jimmy Johnson or Parcells. And what would they do? Insist that the owner give them GM power and then build the lines through the draft (have you seen the Cowboys OL lately? they go 6'6" and 327 ). Next they would acquire tall receivers (like James Hardy or Sweed). They would make Campbell a trusty backup and hand the rock to Colt (I feel like an Alaskan writing that line). Next they would play a more aggressive man coverage and blitz twice as often. The gameplan would include swashbuckling calls and rip-roaring fun. They would not lose by being too timid. We need one of them asap.

Posted by: Mike N. | September 4, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

We the fans are to blame. We keep showing up...spending our money...supporting this franchise...the owner makes gobs of money...and keeps running the team as some sort of toy...not the professional operation it is supposed to be. We give him no other incentive. Snyder needs to hire a real football man to run this club...give him the freedom to set strategy, tone and organization...then hold him accountable. Snyder should not be running the football side anymore so than any of us...but he owns it...and we let him get away with it.

Posted by: Redskin4ever | September 4, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the lenghth. I just had to download that before going back to read whatever it was you all were talking about.

There is no enthusiasm a loss. But that which does not kill makes for a good story later.

Posted by: dcsween | September 4, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

This was a much more important game to the Giants than the Skins. You hope to win a road division game, but if you lose one at home, especially early in the year, you are in a BIG HOLE.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 4, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

If they no-show vs. the Saints in 10 days, the home crowd is gonna get ugly in a big hurry.

Posted by: GAD | September 4, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

This is all Ceratto's fault!!!

Untill we get a REAL GM - expect more of what we have seen in the last four years.

Jason Taylor is horrible

Jason Campbell is not the answer

Moss is a great # 2 receiver - there is no #1, #3, #4, #5 receiver

both lines need to be revamped as they are both old, overpaid, and uneffective.

All because of Vinny....

(Guess we should have hired Greg Williams after all Vinny)

* Also we should trade Clinton Portis to a good team so he does not have to waist his career on this one. I feel bad for him.

Posted by: Fire Cerrato | September 4, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

After watching this game.
WE need some help !!
By the way, I could give a dam if u feel it's too early to talk about this !

2009 Redskins Draft:

1st Round CB - after seeing our CB's drop too many INT's,Plaxico Burress eat us alive & now knowing that Shawn Springs could give a damn about this organization or playing football at all for that matter, it's clear that our 1st rounder needs to go to a top flight CB !! Did I mention how much $$ CB's command in the free agent market ?? Exactly.

2nd Round - Jason Taylor

3rd Round - OL I'm not sure if you need to draft a LT and start grooming him to replace Chris Samuels because I still feel like Chris might have a few left in him, or perhaps a guard to replace Randy Thomas but it's clear we need help soon. Kendall is going to get replaced by Rinehardt. So it's a toss up between RG, LT or C or maybe even a RT to compete with Heyer. But we need some help. We need some talented help.

4th round LB - this unit did not look to bad in the NY game but M Washington's health will always be of concern from here on out, and we just do not have a lot of depth... Rocky's knees ?? Who knows ? But we need some more young talent back there besides HB Blades and you can get a good LB in the 4th round.

5th round OL - Bring back the Hogs !! If the 3rd rounder is a flop you might have luck with the 5th rounder, or this could just be more depth. Trust me you can never have enough depth and talent at OL. We are fine at WR with all of the picks devoted in the 08 draft. Safety's come cheap in the FA market, our D-Line looks solid and deep with young talent (C.Wilson, E. James, Rob Jackson, K. Golston, A. Montgomery) lord knows we are fine at RB, we've got plenty at TE,LB was just adressed, QB, ehhh ?? This pick needs to go to either a CB or OL whichever is the best available between the 2 positions of need

6th round - Best available - at this point your dipping into a pool of guys that you just hope will make an NFL roster (yours) so you can't be picky. Get whatever is the best out there with the pich that you have, even if it's a TE or Safety. Since that is all the Redskins ever draft for the past 7 years.

7th round - Best available - ditto and cross your fingers that the best available happens to be a position of need to you (CB or OL)

Posted by: I give a damn it u feel it's too early to talk about this ! | September 4, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Guys,

Tell me truthfully...when are the Skins World Champions again? Give me the year and don't hold back.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

If you could hire one man to fix this thing, who would it be? I'm thinking Jimmy Johnson or Parcells. And what would they do? Insist that the owner give them GM power and then build the lines through the draft (have you seen the Cowboys OL lately? they go 6'6" and 327 ). Next they would acquire tall receivers (like James Hardy or Sweed). They would make Campbell a trusty backup and hand the rock to Colt (I feel like an Alaskan writing that line). Next they would play a more aggressive man coverage and blitz twice as often. The gameplan would include swashbuckling calls and rip-roaring fun. They would not lose by being too timid. We need one of them asap.

Posted by: Mike N. | September 4, 2008 11:31 PM

Parcells kept Romo on the bench 3 years. What makes you think he would hand the "rock" to Colt right off?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Never played pro ball, but as a former college O lineman (and a lifetime skins fan, here are a few observations:
Put a stopwatch on our QB and you'll see that he held the ball way too long. He was tenative, did not seem to know where his receivers were and often seemed to lock in on one side of the field. Remember when he was sacked by the Giant's DE (Tuck) at the 10 min mark in the first period? Had he looked to his right, he would have seen a wide open Portis! Coach Zorn's performance - poor. Play calling was very predictable - especially on first down. Zorn may be in over his head right now (but let's also remember that Gibbs went 0 -5 the first time around - when he was trying unsuccessfully to run the "Air Coryell" passing offense. At game 6, he went to a power running game - and the rest is as they say "history"! Defensively, those of you who are down on Reed Doughty - you are right, he is no Sean T (but who is). But if you look at the game on tivo, you'll see that Blache had him way off the line, often man up on the TE (Boss) who caught,what - maybe one pass. Alot of his tackles were past the line of scrimmage. Ever try to tackle a 275 lb back with a full head of steam? Yes, his technique was poor on some of tackles earlier in the game, but he did not play that badly. I was less impressed with the corners and the LBs who did not do much tonight. Smoot and Rodgers were so far off the receivers (10 yd cushion) it was ridiculous. The reason - they are too slow and had to be. Sorry for the long blog - alot to cover.

Posted by: Big E | September 4, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

THe front page on ESPN has Tuck doing something to Jason Campbell that rhymes with his name.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Note to Snyder. Just because someone kisses your butt during and interview it does not make them a good coach.

Posted by: oly46 | September 4, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN NOW!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Ummmmm ... also, this was Week One ... the Giants lost a guy (defender, didn't see who ... Coffield? Kiawanuka?) ... and the Skins came out MOSTLY injury free. And Campbell got a rhythm going. There are another 15 regular seasons remaining.

[The PUNISHING collision that Jacobs beat LaRon on (+3 YAC?) ... that was ALOT of ergs of force on that ... that momentum effecter was returned back to the Giants with a hit by Mr. Landry delivered onto the small of Mr. Burress' back ... encourging Mr. Burress NOT to take any further chances extending his body ... Mr. Burress was thusly neutralized. LaRon is back. Rocky and Double Move also had great games.]

Posted by: dcsween | September 4, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Because the Tuna is impatient for success. He would review all of JC's games (every little aspect) and conclude that the belly-fire isn't there to lead. Colt would remind him of Romo and he would pull Colt's trigger.

Posted by: Mike N. | September 4, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

meant regular season games ... typed regular seasons.

Posted by: dcsween | September 4, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh okay...Howard Cosell.

Posted by: What the | September 4, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Anybody wanna buy two airline tickets to Tampa for February?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

seriously, what's up with antonio pierce? Dude is a NASTY MoFo - do you THINK he has a chip on his shoulder? Karma's a b**ch, he should watch out for the rematch...
I think ESPN said he got one vote for "dirtiest player"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Tonight was about learning.

Watching Jim Zorn walked off the field, I learned Zoron wears boxers.

Posted by: Snyder Sucks | September 4, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Durant averaged 34 yards on his punts.

Frosty is laughing into his cheese soup.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has had six months to prepare. He could not get one first down in the first half. He sucks. He will suck all year. He is worse than Norv. In fact, comparing him to Norv is not fair to Norv.

FIRE ZORN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Look forward to the excuses by the Campbell apologists. Todd Collins won here last December and led DC to the playoffs. Yet no one acknowledges this. How many games will they lose before the 2nd rated passer in the NFL in 2007 plays instead of the 20th? Zorn doesn't throw the ball, just calls plays that would have worked with a smarter QB that can read a defense. The Post reporters and most of the public swallow whatever Snyder and his media lackeys shovel out to them. Excuses are like A-holes; everyones got one. 'Skins could've traded down and picked up merriman instead of blower, "run stopping corner" carlos rogers. two Auburn losers that can't play pass offense or defense.

Campbell is the same sorry QB he was in 2003.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH6eO6mj60Y

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Is there a better living actor than Gene Hackman?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

OMG!!! Charles Mann is offically an idiot!!! He just said, "I wonder if Zorn would considering going up into the booth?" Before he finished, a couple of the guys said in unison, "A head coach in the booth????" Mann said, "Well, he's calling the plays.

Posted by: What? Who? | September 4, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

What an ugly game! On the bright side, the offensive line only gave up one sack to the Giants. No turnovers.

Posted by: M | September 4, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

F**k the wildlife!

Kill the pandas and use their coats to make me some new bathroom rugs.

Posted by: Dan Snyder | September 4, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Pull Colt's Trigger...Pull Colt's Trigger...Pull Colt's Finger...Pull Colt's Trigger...

Time for a change.

Posted by: Mike N. | September 4, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Zoron

or

Zorv Turner

Posted by: Nickname poll | September 4, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Think about it. Zorn is making Campbell look worse, not better.

FIRE ZORN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell's 2007 pass rating: 77 (20th)

Todd Collins 2007 pass rating: 106 (2nd).

That is all....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

clock management and offensive hustle was a joke...

Was anyone else screaming at the TV at end of both halves...

If I was Blache I would be pissed...

Did anyone else feel like Zorn didn't really care if we won, but instead wanred the O to just get more reps, run the stock plays and continue learning the offense? Almost had a pre-season vibe.

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 4, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell's 2007 pass rating: 77 (20th)
Todd Collins' 2007 pass rating: 106 (2nd)

That is all....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Zoron

or

Zorv Turner

Posted by: Nickname poll | September 4, 2008 11:56 PM

Vote: Zoron

Posted by: Not Anonymous | September 5, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Had to expect a tough outing tonight on the road against a tough super bowl champ team. Skins with a rookie head coach and a new offense. Look for Zorn and Blache to make some adjustments and go back to the drawing board on some things. (Demitric Evans on 1st and 2nd downs and J. Taylor on 3rd and long), and hopefully we'll see some improvement. The Giants were 0-2 last year when we faced them and they turned it around. Not saying that the skins are a super bowl team, but it is a long season. Don't jump off the building or suggest firing the entire team yet. You sound like Danny Snyder already talking about the draft next year and our next coach!

Posted by: teechur | September 5, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

AMTTS for GM!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer | September 5, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

madden was showering LL with praises

Posted by: dealer | September 5, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Zorn's clock management was atrocious. Who is calling the plays? Are they coming from upstairs or the field!? Play calling was reminiscent of the Giants @ Skins 1st and 1 on the 1 from last year. On 3rd down as a receiver you HAVE to run your routes deep enough to get a first. Campbell needs to throw the damned ball and utilize his pocket or RUN. He needs to use his legs to create a threat while he still has them. If he keeps just standing there, its over. Reed Doughty should NOT be playing in the NFL. I've haven't seen a more complacent football team in a LONG time. Rock Cartwright is one of the only guys who TRULY came to play tonight!

My 2

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

GO FOR IT!
GO FOR IT!!!
GO FOR IT!!!!!!
GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!!
...yeesh, just kneel on it already. It's too late and this is embarrassing.


i knew there was trouble from the moment campbell's first avoidable (yet excusable) sack led to a run on 2nd and 18 and a run on 3rd and 15.

so far, norv's play calling would be a welcome breath of fresh air.

Posted by: jstew | September 5, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Daunte Culpepper is available.

That's not a joke.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Good points Big E.

Campbell will cost Zorn his job. I don't see a rookie coach having the stones to bench him. JC is not close to being an NFL QB.

They need to use Cooley purely as a receiver because he is not willing to stick his head in there to block. He's going to get someone killed.

Other defensive coordinators must be ROFL. Game on the line and we are throwing to Thrash. McMullen might have made that play at the goal line. Terrible games by Moss, both CBs, Taylor(he's clearly done, they might as well be playing Doughty at DE), Campbell (as usual), Cooley.

We'll be lucky if this bunch doesn't quit on Zorn by week 4.

Posted by: AAA | September 5, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

http://firejimzorn.com/

Save us Bill Cowher....

Posted by: Fuzzy | September 5, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Some have made the point that this is only a nine-point loss to the defending champs on the road in the rookie coach's debut game. It is useful to keep things in perspective, but consider these points:

- With an entire offseason and five preseason games to prepare, even a rookie coach should appear to have some idea of how to manage the clock; Zorn didn't.

- A rookie coach starting out with a divisional game on the road against the champs should be able to get his team up to play, so they at least match the other team's effort; Zorn didn't.

- Zorn and the West Coast offense were supposed to be the answer to four years of anemic offense, and were supposed to put up the points necessary to ensure that the defense doesn't have to pitch a near shutout to win; they didn't.

- The offensive and defensive lines on this team are mediocre at best. There is no pass rush from the front four and even Samuels is vulnerable on offense. Meanwhile two of your first three draft choices were inactive and the third contributed with a four-yard route on third and six.

I hope things get better, but these are serious concerns. It could get very ugly this year.

Posted by: Ted Nutmeg | September 5, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

I don't think anybody expected this team to make the playoffs. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But as much as I hate the term, this is a rebuilding year. Sure, they should try to make the playoffs. But along the way, they should come to a definitive conclusion about Campbell. Give him 5 starts and see how he progresses. There should be some measure by then. Even a little progress and you keep him in. I buy the notion that it takes awhile to get this offense. But if he's floundering, pull him before his head is totally messed up.

Let's say they're 1-4 at that point. Not OUT of contention, but heading that way. Turn the ball over to... Collins? No. He might do well, might win some games, but he is not the future. Give it to Brennan. Just let him start three games and see if ANYTHING happens. Because maybe he IS the real deal. Maybe he's like a QB savant. Maybe he's the next low-round steal. At that point in the season, the line should be performing better and he'll get some time to make decisions on his reads.

Is three games a fair trial? No. But you might see something encouraging there. And if you don't, you've given Campbell a chance to get his head together and then get back in there.

Sure, I'd love to see Collins take us to the Super Bowl. But I'd rather see a year of actual growth for this franchise. If that means we find out JC isn't the future of this team, then so be it. But stick with him for awhile. If you're thinking you yank him and throw Brennan in there, you're thinking like Snyder: have a kneejerk reaction and try for a quick fix.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

win with collins now and brennan later. cut Campbell

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Ladies and gentlemen, our 2008 Redskins.

Zorn is CLUELESS

Pitiful Campbel is in his 4th year and looks like this (new offense is no excuse to be terrible)

4-12 at best

Anyone know where to find Fassel?

Posted by: Ateam | September 5, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Zorn's position is analogous to a rookie QB. It's a tough position where you compete with SEASONED PROFESSIONALS. You have to give him a second to progress on the learning curve. This is not going to be a sweet season, but a chance to really evaluate our holes and room for improvement. Lets see if JC can make some tangible progress

Posted by: chenteasy | September 5, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

i'm going to spell out the difference between a fairweather fan and a real fan.

Fairweathers watch the game and immediately think the end is near based on what they saw (or conversely have SB expectations before the first snap of the game).

Real fans understand that expectations and results are two completely different things and aren't so quick to hang their hats.

What I saw was an O still learning a new O, who for all their technical mistakes did not turn over the ball (except on 4th down near the end). I saw a D with injury problems adjust well in the 2ne half and successfully hold a Super Bowl defender at bay. I also saw little urgency by the O but they will learn. And not kicking the FG with 13 secs left was a big mistake by Zorn.

But Zorn is learning as well. I literally hate individuals who are so quick to say "Zorn should be fired" AND follow a comment like that up with "we need to rebuild the team from scratch."

Hello!!!! That's exactly what we're doing. Zorn has inherited a decent crop of players from Gibbs 2.0 and is working the remold them into a different team, which also has a lot of young talent by the way. It takes time people. Did you really think we were going to march into the Meadowlands and blow up the Giants?????? Give me a break. Better yet, cool your expectations and think about this game called football with honesty.

Posted by: thickcheddar | September 5, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

it is so cool to hear you slappies panicking and pi$$ing down your legs....just a few months ago, there was so much optimism over Cerrato, Scott Campbell, Dan Snyder...and how they had such a great draft and all that meaningless off season bull sh #$ ! Now look...the top three picks, for whatever reason, are worthless, and the rest of them ....well....whatever... this team sucks and you all know it

Posted by: po | September 5, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Let's start talking next year. No seriously, this season is over.

Posted by: DeMj | September 5, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is in way, way, way over his head here. He doesn't look like an NFL head coach, he doesn't talk like one, and he certainly doesn't call plays like a good one. He has zero presence. His post-game presser was an absolute disaster. This whole thing is going to get worse before it even has a chance to get better, but I don't know that we'll see Zorn get that far.

I miss Joe. I miss Gregg. I miss Sean. Hell, I even miss the 8 Car. I miss knowing that even if we were bad, even if we were being laughed at, we would still be afforded some small amount of respect at the end of the day due to Gibbs. Now, all of that is gone.

We'll be plunging to depths heretofore unseen in a long, long time. Clown Snyder and Boy Vinny continue to methodically destroy this organization, making it more like the Washington Generals than the proud Washington Redskins. This is just sad.

Posted by: Carl Williams | September 5, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Key to da game ...

Intensity.

If the defense comes out with the type of intensity they had at the end of last season, we win. Its the same guys with most of the same coaches.

This team had great chemistry to close out last season. Does it carry over? To me, that is THE most important aspect of this game ... and will decide who wins.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 4, 2008 11:43 AM

Was the intensity there? Answer is obvious. The team looked flat on both sides of the ball. I'll give some props to the defense for bending but only breaking once in the first half, then shutting out the Jints in the second half. They were on the field a lot.

Three INT drops didn't help, but the offense was awful. The WRs dropped a couple of catchable passes as well. We needed a break or two to compete.

Best player on the field for the Skins was Rock. Jason Taylor was not ready. They obviously missed Springs a lot. Even Fletcher wasn't playing at his usual high level.

My comments about WR issues were pretty much dead on. The WRs struggled a lot. Campbell seemed lost all too often and the pace of the offense in the final drive was abysmal.

The number of 3rd (and 4th) down completions short of a first was maddening,

On 3rd and 1, they did the same dive play that got stuffed in the last preseason game. I'd speculated that vs Jax, they didn't want to give away anything. Wrong.

Thought the RBs might get to participate in the passing game, but that didn't happen either.

Final score was 16-7. but it never felt that close.

On the upside, they have 10 days to make improvements, not 7. I wouldn't be surprised to see a major difference by next game. In offense, defense and most importantly, intensity.


Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 5, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

So for all of those who are young or have short memories, how did the Redskins do in their first game with Joe Gibbs as Head Coach in 1981? Or the second game? Or the 3rd? 4th? 5th?

Getting on the same page doesn't happen overnight. Give it some time and patience.

Posted by: Jack's Ghost | September 5, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

when saint joe took the helm in his first run as the new coach, how did he do? then he went on to humiliate tuna.

i am absolutely not worried yet and if you were a real fan of football you wouldnt be either. new offenses take time to install, especially this one if its anything like the seahawk system.

this is the first try at the zorn system, and it was done against the champs. honestly, what did you expect. anyone notice jason went down only once in the entire game of blitz (credit to the line and him), he actually took shots (unlike brunell of past), and threw it away than picks (unlike eli of anytime other than last year's playoffs), CP looked strong and healthy, rock and special teams were excellent, JT did a lot of smart moves especially reading that HB screen kick out by ward, and reed played surprisingly well? this wasnt a great game, but its wasnt devestating. springs will be back, smoot needs to stay with zone, front seven contained the strongest RB in the nfc. run some routes, better clock management, run a lot of routes. and we know that if zorn knows anything, its how to coach QBs.

Posted by: chicago | September 5, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

I was at the game.

It was embarrassing. Only positive is really cartwright, wow did he come to play. Portis played as well as can be expected, but I don't believe he is the portis of old. He showed signs of brilliance, but also seemed like he didn't have the extra gear he used to. In the third Q, he broke a tackle, had open field, but was caught. He made a good gain, but he didnt seem like he could take it to the house.

However, as much as the offense was bad, that wasn't why the game was embarrasing. The defense did not show up.

How many interceptions were let through? (at least 2). How many yards per carry where they getting (at one point over 5). We had no one who seemed to be able to cover plexico well. he was eating us alive in the first half, unsure why the giants didnt go to him more. There was hardly any consistent pass rush. They got in the backfield on occasion, but in general Eli had enough time the entire game.

Now about the play calling. Where was the urgency on that final drive? Why all the runs? How many run, run, pass, punts did we have?

The score was 16-7, but it should have easily been 24-7 or perhaps even 28-7. The giants left so many points on the field. The thing that is indicative of how badly the redskins played, I think Caughlin is going to be pissed about the giants performance. They also pretty much laid a stinker. They played well here and there, but they made so many horrible mistakes against any decent team they would have been killed.

anyways, my 2 cents from someone at the game.

Posted by: spotter | September 5, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

It's not Campbell's fault if Thrash and Moss drop the passes he throws to them. At least he didn't throw two picks at the end of the game like the "great" Collins did in Seattle back in January. Oh and by the way, the Skins got whipped 36-0 by the Giants in New York three years ago and still went to the playoffs so a 9 point loss to the defending champs at their place is not the end of the world.

Oh, and all you "they are going to hire Cowher next year" people get real. He'd never work for Snyder. Didn't he come up under Schottenheimer back in Cleveland before he got hired by the Steelers.

Posted by: Wetrunway44 | September 5, 2008 3:14 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. Cowher will never work for Snyder.

Kinda tells you everything you need to know, huh?

Pretty anemic performance tonight. We're looking at 5-11 and bottom feeding once again.

Can't wait for the Snyder apologists to flood the board. You do realize that the team has done nothing (NOTHING) since JKC died. Sure, Snyder wasn't responsible for 5 of those years. But just getting into the playoffs wasn't what The Squire was about. He was all about building an ongoing and successful franchise.

The 'Skins under Snyder are NOT it.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 5, 2008 3:25 AM | Report abuse

it starts at the top

Daniel Synder : IS A MORON - see tom cruise and every football related decision he has ever made.

Vinny Cerrato : IS ON CRACK. yes VINNY CERATO SMOKES WAY TOO MUCH CRACK. has anyone every dared to stare into those eyes. he's the son of medusa for c's sake.
and he's an idiot. see below

Jason Campbell: i hope i am wrong! i hope somehow. but i really think , objectivly,...
WILL NEVER. BE A GOOD. LET ALONE GREAT QB.
his mind is just too slow or something. i don't want to be mean but dam this is footbal.. fast. play with some heart .. there is a reason todd collins did better last year.. TODD COLLINS IS A BETTER QB .

and finally

THE LINE. sucks. which line. both of them. i think joe bugel would be the youngest offensive line man out there . yes i know heyer is there who realy got us off to a great start.

fellow auburn dimwit carlos rodgers . there is a reason that guy doesn't play receiver. he probably drops things around the house all the time.

i am not happy but i am hungry and will now stop tying

good night

let this be the last game that ever sucks so much ever come on dc

SNYDER YOU PANZI IDIOT SELL THE TEAM!

Posted by: Jesse | September 5, 2008 3:42 AM | Report abuse

Ok, every one is full of sh!t, next week you'll be cheering your hearts out for the redskins again.

So for now get all that anger out. We're ok at QB, we're ok at Coach, and we're ok on the O-line. Could all be better of course. This is something you've got to play through and here's were I fault Zorn, he squandered 5 preseason games to get this crap more grounded than where it is now. So now it won't be game 3 or 4 where we start to see drives with rhythms in them.

Players haven't fully bought into the system and on some plays you could see guys reverting back to Saunders playbook when it came to picking up their keys. I saw it twice with Samuels.

They need to try Jansen in Thomas' spot move Thomas where Kendall is and rotate them both, Kendall's knees aren't going to last the whole season. Plus Thomas can help Samuels on the inside while Portis chips 'em on their ass on the outside.

They should utilize Sellers more as the blocking TE and just split Cooley wide because he can't block to save his life.

On D, put Taylor back on the right side why they're making him play in an unnatural position is besides me. The guy had a HOF career on the right put him there.

Posted by: B-mitch b-iotch | September 5, 2008 5:15 AM | Report abuse

Can't wait for the Snyder apologists to flood the board. You do realize that the team has done nothing (NOTHING) since JKC died. Sure, Snyder wasn't responsible for 5 of those years. But just getting into the playoffs wasn't what The Squire was about. He was all about building an ongoing and successful franchise.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 5, 2008 3:25 AM

Jack Kent Cooke became an owner of the Redskins in 1961. The Redskins won their first Super Bowl in 1983. When Cooke died he left an "organization" of Charle Casserly and Norv Turner and a white elephant stadium in Raljon MD.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Can't wait for the Snyder apologists to flood the board. You do realize that the team has done nothing (NOTHING) since JKC died. Sure, Snyder wasn't responsible for 5 of those years. But just getting into the playoffs wasn't what The Squire was about. He was all about building an ongoing and successful franchise.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 5, 2008 3:25 AM

Boy, Cooke should have died earlier, because he never got this much love when he was alive.

Jack Kent Cooke became an owner of the Redskins in 1961. The Redskins won their first Super Bowl in 1983. When Cooke died he left an "organization" of Charle Casserly and Norv Turner (who had a 49-59-1 record as head coach) and a white elephant stadium in Raljon MD.

It takes a while to build a good organization -- maybe more luck than skill -- and once you've got one, there's no guarantee that it stays together.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 5, 2008 6:12 AM | Report abuse

Wow....Just Wow.......

Ok, What the Redskins need to do during the week:

1. TEACH JASON CAMPBELL TO THROW PAST THE 1ST DOWN MARKER ON 3RD AND 4TH DOWNS.

2. HOW ABOUT PRACICE THE NO HUDDLE?!?!?

3. I THOUGHT IN THE WCO, THE PASS WAS SUPPOSED TO SET UP THE RUN?!?!?

4. TELL CAMPBELL TO STOP DOUBLE PUMPING AND HAVE CONFIDENCE IN HIS RECEIVERS TO THROW THE BALL ON TIME AND STOP BEING LATE ON EVERYTHING. HE MISSED SANTANA ON 2 OTHER TD THROWS BECAUSE HE TOOK TOO LONG OR HE DIDN'T THROW IT TOWARDS THE SIDELINE WHERE THE DEFENDER IS.

5. CREATE A SENSE OF URGENCY WITH IN THE SQUAD.

6. PUT STICK UM ON ROGERS AND SMOOT'S HANDS.

7. DON'T CALL A RUN PLAY ON 3RD AND 8!

8. DON'T THROW AN INCOMPLETE PASS ON 1ST DOWN AND FOLLOW UP WITH SOME WEAK SJK RUN ON 2ND, AND THEN CAMPBELL THROW A PASS SHORT OF THE 1ST DOWN MARKER ON 3RD DOWN.

I MIGHT BREAK 57" HDTV IF I EVER SEE ONE OF THOSE AGAIN.......

THAT WAS REFRESHING TO WRITE IN CAPS. I SHOULD BE ALRIGHT FOR THE DAY.....

Posted by: 4th | September 5, 2008 6:23 AM | Report abuse

Wow what a a great job by Vinny "the gerbil" Cerrato did in the preseason! And Zorn what was his problem his body language suggested he knew before the start of the game the Redskins had no chance. Maybe Zorn should try coaching a 50lb CYO team first.

And cant we send Danny Boy Snyder to Iran to discuss opening a 6 Flags in Tehran as part of detente. Then the Jasons leak he is Israeli spy and his wife will be running the team. She cant do any worse than he has. No one wants to coach the Redskins with Snyder as owner. Look what he did to Gibbs

Posted by: Rev Fred of the Church of Sex is Life | September 5, 2008 6:25 AM | Report abuse

There must be a few more receivers we can draft in next year's draft because we sure don't need help on the offensive and defensive lines or even the secondary. Yes sir! I recongnize brilliance when I see it and I was blinded by it last night. Good work, Vinny. And your apologists are looking very smart as well. I bet soon they will be saying that Jack Kent Cooke was the majority owner in 1961! Whoa, don't let those sticky facts get in the way. Don't worry Vinny, you will always have a job because Danny loves you.

Posted by: Dale | September 5, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse

yep, it's Friday morning and we still suck.

Posted by: etrod | September 5, 2008 6:51 AM | Report abuse

I had to work all last night just got home and could not wait to get home and make my comments.

A. Gibbs is gone.

B. Williams is no longer the D. Cord.

C. Zorn is a Joke...reminded me of Spurrier...he looked like a deer caught in headlights at times.

D. The most glaring thing I see and have seen over the course of the 4 years...QB play is flat out Killing the team.

Jason Campbell...and I know some will disagree...but Jason Campbell is a HUGE BUST. I don't care what anyone says...this guy has had every chance in the world to show he can be the man. I know I know he has had a different system BLAH BLAH EXCUSES. I see QBs all over the NFL change systems and still flourish. I eman let's just look at last season...Campbell looks like he did last night all last season. He gets hurt and in comes Collins and BAM the offense starts moving. They start winning...

I do not like Campbell AT ALL.

Starting Heyer was a huge mistake as well. He dismantled some drives just on him.

Anyway...bottom line

ZORN ONE AND DONE!

Posted by: Leevi | September 5, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

i keep reading posts blaming everything but the problem...JASON CAMPBELL SUCKS!

Yes the clock managemenmt IS Josons fault...he does not move or lead his team with ergency when needed...the dink and dunking is NOT the play calling...Jason can't read the field worth a crap...Collins prooved that last season after the offense sucked the whole time Jasonwas in...as soon as Collins came in BOOM they started moving the ball and going down filed and winning...I'm not saying Collins is the answer...I'm saying Jason Is NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Leevi | September 5, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

I just read the Fri WaPo sports page, and twice it is mentioned that Heyer gave up a sack. And that is wrong. Heyer and Thomas had a nice cup formed, and Campbell ran outside the cup and right into Tuck. NO WAY is that a sack against Heyer.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 5, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

fred,

Agreed on Heyer that sack was all JC and Zorn said so as well.

I will give Zorn a pass he is a new coach and none of them start out on fire.

Joe Gibbs one of the greates coaches of all time. 0-5 in his first 5 games, Zorn will get better.

I am starting to think JC is not the anwser at QB, hopefully he will turn it around, but if he can not Zorn needs to atleast see what Collins can do in this offense.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 5, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Talent idiot JKC didnt become majority owner until 1974 hoss. Danny Boy Snyder
hasnt had any successes without the help of his late daddy's business advisers.
Look at how well 6 Flags is doing and his movie ventures!

JKC owned 25% of the team in 61 fool. EBW was in charge until 74 moron.

Danny Boy Snyder is the worse owner in professional sports on this planet little girl!

Hey talent evaluator what type of talent to you evaluate fluffers for porn? Moron!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

I stayed up in the UK to watch this. The 'Skins were lucky not to get battered in the 1st half and the Jints took their foot of the gas in the 2nd.

Washington will be 6-10 or 7-9 this season. Every year, I wonder (often on the Post forum) why the Redskins NEVER address quality and depth on the lines.

We have reasonable quality at the skill positions (except a no. 1 receiver), so why not protect them by getting the big, bad men that'll allow them to play? Oh, for a Grimm or Jacoby (Russ surely would be a good position coaching hire?).

All great teams have dominating OL and DL (think of that 1990's C*wb*ys line), that's where the game is played, won and lost.

The nightmare scenario is London Fletcher getting injured - he must've had a dozen solo tackles because NY dominated our DL.

My only hope for the season is that we can trip up the C*wb*ys and win our home division games, then maybe sneak in to the post-season at 9-7? That's optimistic (and probably needs Philly to not make the move forward everyone expects).

Oh, and Jerry Jones' face-lift to go horribly south, live on television...

Posted by: Steve Beagrie | September 5, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Having slept on this game (like a bed of nails) and with the dawn of a new day, and the re-kindling of my annual early season optimism I can confidently say: we're at the beginning of another decade of mediocrity.

Seriously, are the Skins trending up like Dallas or Minnesota? Do we have their youth or OL and DL power? We don't even have their talent at the skilled positions. Oh man, this is bad, this is real, real bad. In the NFL mediocrity is worse than the cellar (where draft picks accrue). We're the Washington Middlers and I don't see a change on the horizon. It's like eating a soggy burger at a rainy picnic.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly | September 5, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Beagle,

I agree completely, Jerry Jones is licking his lips.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Some thoughts from last night's game:

Kudos to the D for keeping it close despite the fact that they were without their best cover corner and had a less than 100% Jason Taylor. Giants fans should worry that they dominated the first half of that game and only led by 9. Having said that, the D dropped at least 3 picks by my count; 2 of them could have gone for scores. Gotta make those plays.

JC didn't look good last night. Rolled out on plays that he shouldn't have, held on to the ball too long, and should have made a couple more plays. But all things considered, he didn't look any worse than Eli Gump did last year, didn't turn the ball over, and his receivers didn't do him any favors by dropping catchable balls. You can fault him for a lot of things, but this loss isn't one of them.

Zorn f-ed this game all the way up. This looked worse than any crap sandwich we were fed by Gibbs 2.0, the Tampa playoff game included. You can't have this Gibbs running game/WCO passing game crap. Just install the damn offense and let's play ball. And Zorn totally screwed the pooch with his clock management in the first half and by not getting the field goal first and then taking your chances on an on-side kick to get the touchdown. Hopefully, that will get better with experience.

Damn, I wish we hired Russ Grimm. Last night we got out-physicaled (it's a word today) and that's one thing that didn't happen under Gibbs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 5, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Like Noll, Lombardi, Chuck Knox and Lou Grant, Parcells last coaching tenure revealed that he was well past his sell by date as a coach. But, at least his stint with the Cowbells left them with fully stocked cupboards. What did Gibbs leave us with? An IOU and a scratched VHS video of 1983. Sheesh.

Posted by: Mike N. | September 5, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

beep beep. you need a new thread. i have the means. and coffee. but not that good stuff alex talks about.

Posted by: Cindy | September 5, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to step back from the ledge. First game, 15 to go. Things will work themselves out, the team will come together. Remember Jimmy Johnson started out 1-15 and Joe Gibbs started 0-5 before finishing at 8-8. I'm not expecting the playoffs, just improvement.

Posted by: victor | September 5, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Had a crappy feed here to watch the game so what I saw was mostly Brooks playing like Derrick Frost.

Good to see the D get it together in the second half.

Looked like a 6th preseason game. The offense trying to find some rhythm and the defense finally getting together - although the run defense looks suspect - I know that is everyone not just losing P. Daniels.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 5, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Victor,
With all due respect, you're attitude reveals a level of comfort with mediocrity that would have caused Cooke to double-over in pain and embarrassment. Have the Skins fallen to such a point that you, Victor, are contented with a year in which they do not even make the playoffs? Where's the pride for the burgandy and gold? Do you know the history of this franchise mister. Quit slouching and Riggins-up!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Wow, while that performance last night was pretty inept, this place is RIPE today.

ONE GAME. Thats all that it was, ONE GAME. Gibbs started out 0-5 need I remind anyone. What say we give Zorn a little more time to get this figured out??

Yes they need work, I don't think anyone would say they don't, but everyone take a deep breath, find a happy place, and relax.

Rogers and Smoot need to go in front of the juggs machine, for an hour a day. They need to have a better rotation of players, Wilson needs to play more, Betts needs to play more, James needs to play more. JC needs to develop that clock in his head as to when to throw the ball.

My favorite lines yesterday were from 2 of the biggest frauds who write for this paper:

JLA - "Basically the entire draft class is inactive". Really?? Or is the reality that you out and out LIE in order to paint the team in a bad light. Don't let facts get in your way, because Devin Thomas had a catch last night, but how could that be because the entire draft class is inactive?? I'm confused??

Sally Jenkins - "glaring needs in a lineman-rich draft" If she could name the linemen who were available when the Redskins were picking, I'd eat my own liver. She's the biggest fraud this paper employs. Actually I take that back, the Redskins should have drafted Jake Long, oh wait he was already gone. Stupid Redskins....

Posted by: Greg | September 5, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Dont go comparing the Gibbs team and the Johnson team to this team.They had owners who knew what they were doing. Poor Danny has no idea what is going on.The 2 players that played the best in pre-season, one is on the bench and the other is in Baltimore. FOr almost 10 years Danny has been playing fantasy football with this team, ENOUGH !!!!!

Posted by: caveman626 | September 5, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Start chompin on your liver, Greggy, cause I must inform you that Sallie J was dead on right. For starters Atlanta drafted Sam Jackson with the pick that was originally ours. Next, instead of taking a whirl on Devin Thomas, we could have added beef and speed with Chilo Rachal or Mike Pollak.

Enjoy the liverwurst bud.

Posted by: Bud Jackson | September 5, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Like Noll, Lombardi, Chuck Knox and Lou Grant, Parcells last coaching tenure revealed that he was well past his sell by date as a coach. But, at least his stint with the Cowbells left them with fully stocked cupboards. What did Gibbs leave us with? An IOU and a scratched VHS video of 1983. Sheesh.

Posted by: Mike N. | September 5, 2008 7:46 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You couldn't be more wrong.
Joe Gibbs pleaded w/ the Danny for continuity and hiring / keeping Gregg Williams here.

No,Danny and Vinny had to do their own thing. And look at the disarray and confusion no urgency this team displayed last night.

Also, to draft 3 receivers in Rd 2?
How about a WR, OL and CB!!


Posted by: RedskiinRay1 | September 5, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Alas, this is the team we have. More than likely for 15 more games- save trading away more of our future for old players at the end of thier career. They need three things:

1.) Stop saying what they could have or should have done and do it. That simple. Portis came to play and absolutely leveled the touted DE. Fletcher came to play- without him it would have been 28-0 at the half. Rock came to play, without him it would definately been 16-0 at the half. Other than that there were few players out there that looked like they have been there before. Taylor didn't look bad, but the Giants knew he was coming, and not at full speed his run stopping was exposed. Landry can't do it all, Doughty wasn't much help and basically filled a very, very small hole.

2. Do what you say you are going to do. If we are going to be a passing team then pass, and if you go three and out four stright times (we did) don't abandon the philosophy you brought to the team to hide against a run offense THEY KNOW you are going to run. Zorn wanted to get out of the game with the same QB he started, but you had to figure the Giants were going to come out at 110mph after all the hype. Weather the storm and sick to your guns. Jesus JC JUST THROW THE BALL. On his sack did anyone else notice Cooley WIDE OPEN in the flat? JC didn't. Zorn said Moss would be open and he wasn't. JC never even looked for checkdowns, he just paniced. 10:1 we see Colt before the end of the year. I don't hate JC, but his brain is so football scrambled from changing offenses every year how can we expect him to do anything?

3.) Know where the first down marker is. On offense OF COURSE the Giants D will give you five when you need seven. JC had the time for the recievers to take one more step, but NONE of them did. ARE, Moss, and Rook ALL got open, in front of the coverage, and none of them even hinted they were good enough to break even one tackle and get the first down so why not let them run a route that gives JC a fighting chance?

The defense needs the same pop warner lesson. A six yard buffer on third and four is just laughable. Five times is sad. I love Smoot, but he looks like a smurf next to PB, so why give him a buffer to make an inside play on third down? Jam him at the line HARD and blitz the LB's. And when you KNOW they are going to run it on third and short how about eight in the box and fill the freakin gaps? Perhaps Landry was still seeing stars from the hit that Jacobs put on him.

So let's get back to some basics (we did, defensively at least, in the second half.)Albeit it is hard to open up an offense with your QB immediately on the ground but if you don;t even try then your efforts look rediculous. Did anyone else notice the ticker on the screen highlighting the Redskins with 3 wide recievers to NY's six DB's? Most of those were on our passing plays. JC has to make the adjustment there. Audible to have the WR's run fly routes to clear the secondary and spit out to CP in the flat-- THAT would look like Seattle.

Oooof.

Posted by: Fireballhank | September 5, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

You have to call a "spade" a "spade" and say that the whole team sucked from the very beginning. CB's could not cover or catch a ball. They put Burress in the Pro Bowl just in this game. Other than Landry and Fletcher, the defense never showed. The offense was horrible on all counts and Campbell should have been replaced in the 3rd quarter. This would have a least shown we were trying to win. Zorn should have been on the phone asking someone "what to do" because he looked like a deer in headlights. It's going to be a long year!!!!!!!

Posted by: True Fan | September 5, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line is Campbell can't make decisions in the pocket, and his long range accuracy is poor.

Colt is accurate, decisive, and knows the west coast offense. Sure Colt isn't ready to start in the NFL, but maybe he can be. After a few years, we know Campbell isn't an NFL caliber quarterback. He can't make decisions in the pocket, which is kind of important.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Fireballhank - I agree with everything you said, depressing, as it is. The 'Skins looked nothing like a WCO and talking about how long it takes to implement one doesn't excuse showing nothing in attack.

It all makes me want to say something to cheer us up;

Jerry Jones - one more face-lift and he'll be able to pass his pubic hair off as a goatee...

Posted by: Steve Beagrie | September 6, 2008 3:58 AM | Report abuse

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