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Final OTA Notes


Hello there. Most of this is going to read like straight newspaper stuff, cuz, well, it is. OTAs ended today and the Skins don't have any official business planned until players report July 19 for training camp. I'm going to be draining my vacation and comp-day balances over the next 4-5 weeks, so the daily posts will dwindle some. But hey, it's the calm before the storm and I got a house to sell and a family stuff to sort out. If anything big happens I'll get on it, but aside from mundane stuff like signing draft picks, this is truly the only dead time of the year on the NFL schedule. Hope you guys enjoy the start of summer. Cheers

FINAL OTA STUFF:

Redskins Coach Jim Zorn expects to have most of the roster cleared for full contact when training camp opens July 20, with a few exceptions. Zorn, who concluded his final offseason practice yesterday before the team's summer break, said that cornerback Carlos Rogers, defensive end Erasmus James, rookie safety Kareem Moore and tight end Tyler Ecker.

Rogers is coming off major reconstructive knee surgery after tearing ligaments last season and could end up starting the season on the physically-unable-to-perform list. All of the injured players were spectators during the last two weeks of OTA practices, with most of them limited to jogging and light individual drills. Starting receiver Antwaan Randle El (knee), linebacker Rocky McIntosh (knee), safety Vernon Fox (knee), and rookie quarterback Colt Brennan (hip) are making good strides and all should be fully participating at the start of camp, Zorn said.

McIntosh is also coming off of season-ending knee surgery but is scheduled to be medically cleared on June 19, Zorn said. James is rehabbing from a second ACL tear and Zorn said yesterday that it would be ambitious to try to have him practicing when camp opens. "We need to hold him back a little bit," Zorn said.

Randle El, who participated in minicamp in May, had surgery May 6 to remove floating cartilage in his right knee. He had hoped to recover in time to take part in the final eight workouts that ended yesterday, but his knee did not cooperate.

"It's coming along," he said. "I've been doing some jogging and a little sprinting, so it has been feeling better than what it had been [the first few weeks after the procedure], and that's a good sign.

"Would I rather be out there right now? No question about it, but we said we were going to be smart about it. We're going to take our time to make sure it's right for the season. That's the most important thing."

Brennan underwent hip surgery this offseason but, should be fully recovered in two-or-three weeks. Moore is also coming off of knee surgery and will likely miss the fist few weeks of camp, Zorn said. Ecker underwent groin surgery Wednesday and will likely miss eight weeks.

Second-year cornerback Byron Westbrook is the only new addition to the injured list during this OTA session. Westbrook suffered a minor hamstring strain Wednesday but should recover well before the start of camp

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Zorn was pleased with what his team accomplished this offseason and is eagerly awaiting the start of his first season as an NFL head coach. He'll back away from the game for a spell during the next few weeks - "I want to relax a bit with my family, because I know what's coming," he said - but will have his mind on the game as well as Redskins Park goes quiet for the next four weeks.

Zorn, who is changing the team to a West Coast offense, said the running game is now fully installed, as well as "a really good portion of the passing game." Zorn praised the effort of his players, saying there has been "no complaining" and "no moaning." and urged them to act professionally while away from the team these next few weeks, urging them to "be careful."

"They're grown men," Zorn said, "but some of them have more maturity than others."

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Lorenzo Alexander spent last season toggling between the offensive and defensive line, but spent these OTA sessions exclusively as a defensive line. That does not mean he wont be back on offense soon, however.

The coaches told Alexander, who emerged as a valuable depth player in 2007, they wanted him to focus on defense during OTAs as they continue to evaluate their young offensive linemen and make determinations about the roster. Come training camp he could be taking part in drills on offense, too. Alexander is also a special teams standout who some coaches believe has the ability to be a starting lineman at some point as well.

"Going back to defense is easy for me," Alexander said. "That's where I started and I fit right back in. But we'll see how it goes. In training camp and the preseason games I might get some run on the offensive line, too."

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Cornerback Shawn Springs was not present for any of the final eight OTA sessions. Running back Clinton Portis and defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin were excused from OTAs this week and receiver Santana Moss missed the final two practices with the flu ... Zorn said he does not have a full day off planned for the players until following the first preseason game, Aug. 2, against Indianapolis at the Hall of Fame Game in Canton, Ohio. The players will get one evening off during the first two weeks of camp, Zorn said ... The Redskins did not employ referees during these OTA practices and Zorn said he will utilize officials only sparingly during training camp as well. Former Coach Joe Gibbs had a team of referees on the field for every session ... Zorn hopes to have all of Washington's draft picks signed before the start of camp. "It's important to us and it really is important to them," he said.

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Love to hear the airhorn back at practice. Gibbs was a whistle guy, but Zorn is all about the horn. Definitely gets everyone's attention. Problem is, he says, the offensive lineman have a habit for getting their hands on the horn and pressing it any old random time. Jason Fabini is a prime offender, Zorn said. "We've got the get the equipment guys away from the O line," Zorn said ... Not sure if it ever shows up on telecasts of Skins games, but special teams Coach Danny Smith has a serious chewing gum jones. Dude pops 'em like constantly. He's a Bazooka guy, through and through, and always has a handful in his pocket during practice. I asked him if he ever tops double-digits, like 12-15 pieces in his mouth at once. He made it sound like that's the norm. Hope he's got a good dental plan (with the way I pound Coke Zero these days - I've switched over from Diet Coke - I'm probably worse off that Danny).

By Jason La Canfora  |  June 12, 2008; 1:23 PM ET
 
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Comments

Jasno,
Hey, good to get in the domestic stuff.
One question before you exit:
Any comment on the Washington Paper article?

This is that catty stuff we live for up here.

Posted by: Stumped | June 12, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I thought Erasmus James was "at 90%" when they picked him up a few weeks ago.....looks like the last 10% is getting difficult. Good to hear Rocky should be back for camp though! Hail!

Posted by: dlhaze | June 12, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

From the previous thread:

2004 was included. I did some quick maths on the career stats:

Portis - 1710 carries 205 receptions 22 fumbles 87.0 touches per fumble 1.14% fumble rate.

Betts - 659 carries 126 receptions 12 fumbles 65.4 touches per fumble 1.52% fumble rate.

Posted by: etrod | June 12, 2008 1:42 PM

Posted by: etrod | June 12, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Please, Please, Please, Please, Please! At least have J-Den put up a new blog listing everyday, so we don't have to suffer through topics which last 5 days and total 900 entries! The old system worked fine, so let's teach it to J-Den and have it implemented immediately:

It's Friday - I've Got Nothing
It's Saturday - Still nothing
Sunday - Jason Reid Practices Video Skills in his Basement
Monday, Monday
Tuesday Afternoon
Is it Wednesday already? Damn!
Thirstday Arrives

Posted by: A Plea from The Masses | June 12, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

if someone was punching me in the face for an hour straight, then told me they'll give me a break and for the next hour punch me in the arm, i'd say they would be using everything available as well as doing me a favor.

i'm sure as much as portis wants to be the man, he'll appreciate a little less work.

bazooka? egh! i'd rather chew rubber, it's about the same.

Posted by: sto | June 12, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Etrod,

Thanks for working it out, and I concede that on total touches, Clinton has Ladell beat. It's basically the fumbled passes that did Ladell in -- he had four and it looks like Clinton didn't have any.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 12, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

To JLC:

Some suggestions:
1. Leave the family and personal stuff out of your posts... IMO, they're BORING beyond belief.
2. Spend the time you gain proofreading your posts. It's sad that a professional writer lets so many mistakes go into his posts.
3. Tell the other Jason to write out what he's going to say before they start taping; ask him to make sure there's actually football content in it.

That said, thanks for the info.

Anything out there on the Skins being intersted in LeCharles Bentley (the Rolls Royce of centers)?

Posted by: armstrong | June 12, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Jasno,

You got us all pumped up yesterday and now there's nothing: how did the pranks between Rabach and Suisham end?

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 12, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

just seems like betts fumbles come at much more inopportune times. plus CP has a greater body of work toting the rock 3x as much as betts. there is room for both to be effective.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey - last year there were some reader blog posts. I'm sure if any of you would-be journalists wrote up something worthy, they'd post it.

Enjoy a productive 'break' Jasno, you've earned it.

HAIL!

Posted by: Dik | June 12, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

... and urged them to act professionally while away from the team these next few weeks, urging them to "be careful."

"They're grown men," Zorn said, "but some of them have more maturity than others."...

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I wish somone did that before the Shabangus.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

awesome, i welcome another coke zero nut with open arms.

good to hear about rocky and colt, who i thought was projected to go straight from the draft to the IR -- not that I want to see him on the field this year though.

hope this new training staff's got some juju potion to get EJ over that 10% hump and help carlos rogers back onto the field.

Posted by: snides | June 12, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

...before the Shabangus.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 2:07 PM

--is that what we're calling it nowadays?

Posted by: redskirt | June 12, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn, who concluded his final offseason practice yesterday before the team's summer break, said that cornerback Carlos Rogers, defensive end Erasmus James, rookie safety Kareem Moore and tight end Tyler Ecker."

Huh?? lol...What did Zorn say?

Posted by: Califan | June 12, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

SheBang SheBangus

Posted by: William Hung | June 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Red, Check the button I made its always been called that.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn, who concluded his final offseason practice yesterday before the team's summer break, said that cornerback Carlos Rogers, defensive end Erasmus James, rookie safety Kareem Moore and tight end Tyler Ecker."

Huh?? lol...What did Zorn say?
Posted by: Califan | June 12, 2008 2:35 PM

Its a madlib you get to finish the sentence for JLC.


"Zorn, who concluded his final offseason practice yesterday before the team's summer break, said that cornerback Carlos Rogers, defensive end Erasmus James, rookie safety Kareem Moore and tight end Tyler Ecker all went out for cake and beers with a bunch of cheer leaders."

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I thought your button said shabingus.

Posted by: redskirt | June 12, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

sorry, Alex, I couldn't help myself ;)

Posted by: redskirt | June 12, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Shabingus-bangus-boomgus?

Posted by: Don Rickles | June 12, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The Truth thought madlibs were supposed to be funny/entertaining...

Posted by: The Truth | June 12, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn, who concluded his final offseason practice yesterday before the team's summer break, said that cornerback Carlos Rogers, defensive end Erasmus James, rookie safety Kareem Moore and tight end Tyler Ecker...played euchre while working through a box of cigars.

Posted by: redskirt | June 12, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Zorn, who concluded his final offseason practice yesterday before the team's summer break, said that cornerback Carlos Rogers, defensive end Erasmus James, rookie safety Kareem Moore and tight end Tyler Ecker are forming a soul-grunge fusion band called Al Groin and the Screaming Knees.

Posted by: Niemann | June 12, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn, who concluded his final offseason practice yesterday before the team's summer break, said that cornerback Carlos Rogers, defensive end Erasmus James, rookie safety Kareem Moore and tight end Tyler Ecker ... each looked forward to being place on injured reserve in order to take a year off and hold out hope for making it in the NFL for another year."

Also, on the Ladell Betts relative fumble rate discussion, I agree with the anon at 1:56pm. Statistics do not accurately reflect how Betts' fumbles happen at the very worst possible times in the game (which is why the perception is that his fumble stats are much higher than they actually are ... i.e., they might as well be as high as perceived because of the really gut-kicking effect they have on a drive).

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The difference? Portis gets into the end zone; Betts, not so much.

Shebing bang bung!

Shalooba shalooba!

Will Zorn script the first 15 plays the way other West Coast coaches do? Does anybody know? Is Zorn on the record yet regarding scripting?

Posted by: rb | June 12, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Zorn, who concluded his final offseason practice yesterday before the team's summer break, said that cornerback Carlos Rogers, defensive end Erasmus James, rookie safety Kareem Moore and tight end Tyler Ecker will all be playing murderball from here out.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Zorn, who concluded his final offseason practice yesterday before the team's summer break, said that cornerback Carlos Rogers, defensive end Erasmus James, rookie safety Kareem Moore and tight end Tyler Ecker ... picked up Suisham's car and put it in the bed of Rabach's pickup truck.

Posted by: rb | June 12, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Given that loss of the NFL Europe roster exemption, where the 80 man limit really means something, it seems like an odd time for the Skins to be reaching out for guys who arrive in an all-but-designated PUP status (I'm thinking Moore, who was drafted with the full knowledge of operating on him the day after the draft, and then Erasmus James). I'm just saying, the new medical staff better be some of the tops in the field of bionics ... or the injured guys need to get stashed on the PUP list with the FULL expectation that other guys on the roster will be put on injured reserve before the end of the PUP period (Week Eight?).

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Zorn, who concluded his final offseason practice yesterday before the team's summer break, said that cornerback Carlos Rogers, defensive end Erasmus James, rookie safety Kareem Moore and tight end Tyler Ecker all believe maps for U.S. Americans are esent...essenc...esensc...um, good, like such as, for the education of the South Africa.

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | June 12, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Sweeen,
Things like that have me thinking that we used the 08 off season more for 09.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

THAT'S ENOUGH!! Stop picking on me like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, the Iraq.

You guys are so mean!

Posted by: Caitlin Upton | June 12, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Also, it was an 86 man roster (technically) when we had NFL europe.

I want my minor league team for these 31 guys who get kicked off the roster. And don't tell me you could not field a team with only 31 guys, it would suck but can be done.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

6 workers hurt in crane collapse at new Texas stadium.

Posted by: Greg | June 12, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

6 workers hurt in crane collapse at new Texas stadium.

Posted by: Greg | June 12, 2008 3:38 PM

What happened? Did the crane have insufficient capacity to hoist Jerrah Jones' ego?

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

6 workers hurt in crane collapse at new Texas stadium.

Posted by: Greg | June 12, 2008 3:38 PM

Were they immigrants? I only ask because if the Cowboys were using illegal immigrants in building that thing we could destroy their fan-base, because lets face it no group of fan's is going to be more anti-immigrant than the Cowboys.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

From the Skins' site:

"The Redskins have signed rookie safety Chris Horton, the team announced on Thursday. Horton was the Redskins' seventh-round draft pick in last April's NFL Draft.

To make room for Horton on the roster, the Redskins released safety Justin Hamilton. ..."

Which leads to the obvious question ... the Skins had a safety named Justin Hamilton?

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Not sure what happened, dc, just that a crane collapsed.

Posted by: Greg | June 12, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The skins need to get more players with names of founding fathers or ex-presidents. The release of Hamilton is just a bad call in that respect.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

6 workers hurt in crane collapse at new Texas stadium.

Posted by: Greg | June 12, 2008 3:38 PM

What happened? Did the crane have insufficient capacity to hoist Jerrah Jones' ego?

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2008 3:41 PM


Exactly ... with Parcells in Miami, there is no counterweight sufficient.

Posted by: rb | June 12, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I imagine bonus points were involved ... they seem to be an endless source of problems.

The signing of Chris Horton and release of Justin Hamilton suggests to me that it was important that they sign their rookie 7th round safety, and no longer needed the Brown's former second year 7th round safety. Click the link before its gone to see what could have been ...
http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=193

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The more I read my idea, about the immigration question and the cowboys stadium the more I realize it has a hint at evil genius like Carl Rove, I am not sure if I should be disgusted or proud.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn, who concluded his final offseason practice yesterday before the team's summer break, said that cornerback Carlos Rogers, defensive end Erasmus James, rookie safety Kareem Moore and tight end Tyler Ecker all thought that this was supposed to be funny, not painfully stupid like all the ones above this.


The Truth speaketh and thou shalt listeneth.

Posted by: The Truth | June 12, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Would you like to supersize that value meal for only 20 cents more?

Posted by: Justin Hamilton | June 12, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The Truth at 3:46pm for dumbest, least original, post of the day. Dink!

Posted by: filling in for Awards Committee | June 12, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The Truth frowns upon users of low IQ who attempt to insult The Truth with racial slurs. Also, The Truth feels pity for someone who buys into this lame "Awards Committee" fad.


The Truth with a quick +1!

Posted by: The Truth | June 12, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I am not dumb I scored a 75 on my IQ test, thats a C.

Posted by: The Truth | June 12, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the company that heads up the construction of the Cowboys stadium was in trouble back in 05 for underpaying its workers.

http://www.dol.gov/esa/media/press/whd/whdpressVB2.asp?pressdoc=Southwest/20051865.xml


Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Given that loss of the NFL Europe roster exemption, where the 80 man limit really means something, it seems like an odd time for the Skins to be reaching out for guys who arrive in an all-but-designated PUP status (I'm thinking Moore, who was drafted with the full knowledge of operating on him the day after the draft, and then Erasmus James).

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2008 3:24 PM

I don't see the problem, myself. Every team in the leagues has a few guys like this. All it means is that there will be lots of cuts/signs of thee thre or four day variety with some guys coming and going multiple times.

In the end, the same guys will make the final roster who would have made it with last year's limits. Almost none of those NFL Europe guys ever made the Skins roster, anyway -- worst was that QB last year, MVP, who was cut before Jordan Palmer. Guy must have had nothing.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 12, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I feel badly for the workers that were injured. Hopefully none too seriously.

Let me be the first to say the place is cursed.

Posted by: Greg | June 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Guy must have had nothing.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 12, 2008 4:02 PM
isn't he on the Falcons roster now with a chance to make the team?

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Let me be the first to say the place is cursed.

Posted by: Greg | June 12, 2008 4:04 PM


Curse of the Crane! Someone do a ritual! Anyone here know black magic?

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Czaben sucking up to Zorn on the air right now.....

Posted by: See No Evil Hear No Evil | June 12, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should get someone in Dallas to burry a Doug Williams Jersey and a Quincy Carter Jersey under Cowboys stadium.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

We've had 5 crane wrecks here this year alone. It's insane.

Does DC have the same problem w/ vacant construction scam sites as we do down here in tha 305?

Posted by: Dik | June 12, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

If you listen Zorn conversate with Polly and Czabe, You will say to yourself, 'I really like this guy'.

He is very humourous and sounds super smart and sounds pretty much upfront....

Posted by: See No Evil Hear No Evil | June 12, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't know any black magic, but I think you guys are onto something up here.

The Crane Curse, I like it.

Next time Tony Romo fumbles a snap, or Pacman shoots a stripper, the Crane Curse must be cited.

Posted by: redskirt | June 12, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Are they in the new stadium this year? I thought it was next year.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse


Zorn, who concluded his final offseason practice yesterday before the team's summer break, said that cornerback Carlos Rogers, defensive end Erasmus James, rookie safety Kareem Moore and tight end Tyler Ecker; have officially announced their legal name changes, Carlos George Washington, Erasmus Abe Lincoln, Kareem Woodrow Wilson, and Tyler Richard Nixon.

Posted by: rando | June 12, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for interuppting Crane talk.

Back to your regular scheduled program.....

Posted by: See No Evil Hear No Evil | June 12, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Ah, you're right Alex.

Posted by: redskirt | June 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Guy must have had nothing.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 12, 2008 4:02 PM
isn't he on the Falcons roster now with a chance to make the team?

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 4:04 PM

Falcons? That's what I mean. He must have had nothing.

No. He's not on the Falcons' roster. He was on their practice squad for a while but got cut. I thought Miami picked him up, but I can't find him on that roster, either.

Was he Casey Bramlet? He's on the Chargers roster now.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 12, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Did Hamilton come to the voluntary OTA's and work himself out of a job? Maybe he should have worked out with SS in Az.

Posted by: rando | June 12, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn, who concluded his final offseason practice yesterday before the team's summer break, said that cornerback Carlos Rogers, defensive end Erasmus James, rookie safety Kareem Moore and tight end Tyler Ecker ... would spend the summer on Nantucket Island. Tyler hopes to be admitted to the Rhode Island School of Design, and must write and illustrate a love story for his application. En route, they pick up a young rock singer named Cassandra Eldridge; she is being chased by a motorcycle gang at the time. Once on the island, Carlos, Kareem, Tyler and Erasmus, along with Carlos's island friends the Stork twins and Ack-Ack Raymond (son of a Marine), must help Cassandra save her grandfather's house from the greedy Beckersted Family. Along the way, Tyler must find a way to write his cartoon love story.

Posted by: etrod | June 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

See No Evil, I believe you about Zorn being the proverbial man, but I cannot bring myself EVER to listen to Steve Czaben.

Also, prediction #49481595 ... Bramlett beats out Volek in San Diego. T_e, you are incorrect about Bramlett ... he had a solid preseason and was WAY better than Jordan Palmer and/or Sam Hollenbach ... which is why he got snapped up so quickly on the waiver wire after the Skins cut him.

The point about the NFL Europe roster exemption is that those six additional guys provided more bodies in camp so that a team could spell its starters, depth, etc. The idea of "bodies" had an actual meaning (apart from the owners needing to cough up a grand a week for those guys).

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I can povide bodies on an as needed basis. Oh wait, you mean live bodies?

Posted by: Jason Voorhees | June 12, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute that the plotline to an 80's rific movie One Crazy Summer

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

T_e, you are incorrect about Bramlett ... he had a solid preseason and was WAY better than Jordan Palmer and/or Sam Hollenbach ... which is why he got snapped up so quickly on the waiver wire after the Skins cut him.

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2008 4:31 PM

sween,

Get serious. The man was cut by Atlanta and then cut by Miami. You've got to be weak if you can't stick with those two needy teams. They didn't even keep him on their practice squads.

But I am willing to believe he was better than Hollenbach or Jordan Palmer, even if the Redskins coaches didn't believe it at the time.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 12, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner. Nice call Alex. Please contact Cindy Boren for your Bonus Points.

Posted by: etrod | June 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Classic Bobcat Goldthwait movie. Back when he had a career with promise.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Take your bonus points and shove every single one of them.

15 years of living with Prison Balls might be more than I can take.

Damn you Bonus Points!!

Posted by: Greg | June 12, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Well I tend to donate all my bonus point earnings to charities. Like Habatat for Gregmanity.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Take your bonus points and shove every single one of them.

Posted by: Greg | June 12, 2008 4:41 PM

Now, Greg, this is not how your mother taught you to express gratitude. Say you're sorry.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 12, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

How sad I was 2 when that movie came out.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: etrod | June 12, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Etrod are you the little fat boy?

Actually I think it was The Danny.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

sween,

Get serious. The man was cut by Atlanta and then cut by Miami. You've got to be weak if you can't stick with those two needy teams. They didn't even keep him on their practice squads. ...

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 12, 2008 4:36 PM

I'm completely serious. The guy has only two seasons in the NFL and was undrafted. Atlanta only cut him because Leftwich became available (i.e., the day after they signed Leftwich). Leftwich, btw, is still looking for work. Miami picked him up off waivers immediately ... until the day before the draft (when they added their QB of the future, Chad Henne) ... and San Diego picked him up off waivers immediately. Volek couldn't hold his own in Tennessee ... and Whitehurst obviously is not the QB of the future for San Diego. We have not seen the last of Casey Bramlett (as we have of Leftwich).

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Like Habatat for Gregmanity.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 12, 2008 4:44 PM

Hugh's brother?

Posted by: etrod | June 12, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

We have not seen the last of Casey Bramlett.

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2008 4:56 PM

sween,

He entered the NFL in 2004. He's never thrown a pass in a game. He was cut by Cincinnati and was out of football until the 'Skins picked him up. He wasn't on a roster in 2005 or 2006.

He played great in NFL Europe, but the 'Skins cut him before the first preseason game last year. Miami cut him for their QB of the future? They only have two QBs on their roster right now, so they could have kept him to compete for the third QB.

Seen the last of him? I'm still waiting to see the first of him as in "Casey Bramlet, at the age of 27, has thrown his first completion in the NFL!"

I think he had a promising career about the same time that Bobcat Goldthwaite has a promising career.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 12, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh wait, I'm thinking of Greg Manzee.

Posted by: etrod | June 12, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Factually, Henne + John Beck + Josh McCown = 3 ... and Jason Campbell is 27 ... but Wyoming is not Auburn, so maybe we just need to agree to disagree.

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

dam Alex you make me feel old...me and my Bros hit up Rolling Valley Mall hopped up on cola, twizzlers and Tato Skins to see One Crazy Summer in like the 8th grade.......

Posted by: chris LArry | June 12, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

sween--

Factually, there are only two on the roster. Henne hasn't signed. Do you think they will go to camp with only three QBs? Chargers have four on their roster, so Bramlet's competing there for #3.

And Jason Campbell is 27 and has started 20 games and has thrown 624 more passes in the NFL than Bramlet.

So, no I don't agree to disagree. I do the opposite. What is that, anyway? Disagree to agree? Disagree to disagree? Disagree just to be unpleasant? You're the master wordsmith -- help me out here.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 12, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

TE and DCsween need a hug.

Posted by: not Barno | June 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Undrafted Romo didn't start his midseason run in 2006 until he was 27.

Also, beep beep.

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

TE and DCsween need a hug.

Posted by: not Barno | June 12, 2008 5:25 PM

I always wanted to feud with sween, but I've been coming to this blog forever and this is the only time when I was right and he was wrong. Woo-hoo! In fact, it was the only time when he was wrong. And, probably, the only time when I was right.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 12, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Wrong AGAIN, t_ e_! If you read closely enough, I go to great lengths to be wrong ... and often successfully. Most famously was probably this past preseason when I predicted HUGE things for the Detroit Lions, much to the derision and ridicule of the blog faithful ... and I was RIGHT until about Week 8 or 9 ... when I became outstandingly wrong with remarkable consistency for the balance of the season.

Posted by: dcsween | June 12, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the last unrestricted (which I enjoyed watching; although I had to watch it after work, hence the late post),

Do West Coast offenses generally use multiple backs, like they use multiple TE's and WR's? It seems reasonable - like another way to multiply your options.

In that sort of situation, Betts could be a good threat with CP also on the field (like someone else said).

Posted by: Josh | June 12, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

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