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Skins Drop to 7-5

The Redskins play some pretty poor offensive football at home, don't they? This was a bad match-up and once they fell behind in the second half and couldn't run the ball, it was ugly. They couldn't get into position to flex what strengths they do have on offense.

Defensively, they sold out to stop the run, which makes sense. But they gave up too many big plays as a result. Even with four cover corners and no Plaxico Burress, Eli Manning threw for 305 yards through three quarters, which put the game out of reach.

Special teams play was downright horrid.

The Skins reamin, however, in the playoff hunt, and I suspect Dallas will drop a game or two down the stretch. I have a hard time thinking this offense is going to get healthy against Baltimore next week, though, and it looks like it's going to take some scores from special teams and defense for this club to get where it wants to go.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 30, 2008; 3:59 PM ET
 
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The team honored Sean by showing they're as dead as he is...

Posted by: 70Chip | November 30, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

It appears Smoooot has been benched for Hall. GREAT MOVE.

NOW. They need to bench Jansen and put Heyer back in their.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

For all those who were gushing over 6 and 2, I guess that this is the new reality. We are the third best team in the division and we might not even beat Philadelphia at home.

Posted by: driley | November 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Campbell had plenty of time today...aginst the best pass rush in the league...

Posted by: leevi98 | November 30, 2008 4:08 PM

Leevi -- I wrote "O line and WRs."

Campbell had five or six passes in his receivers hands and they dropped them. He had receivers run short routes where they couldn't get a first down.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I think you summed it up quite well. Why is it that their passing game is so incredibly ho-hum? I don't have the answers but Zorn's offense looks terrible and lacks any sort of ingenuity.

Posted by: pjsummersjr | November 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

SOS...Same Old Sh!t...

Something inherently wrong with this Skins organization...

Posted by: WRBD | November 30, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I can sum up today's game in 3 words:

Stink. Stank. Stunk.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 30, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The team honored Sean by showing they're as dead as he is...

Posted by: 70Chip | November 30, 2008 4:13 PM

Don't you think it's time to let it die, Chip, or is this your life quest to point out that Sean Taylor is dead?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

70chip, why you gotta be classless? Getting old dude.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 30, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Dan Snyder thinks of his franchise and what he's done to it as he looks down from his sky box and sees so many empty seats and the visiting team's players leading their fans in cheers.

Something has got to change, because we're better on the road than at home.

Thoughts?

Posted by: abtassler | November 30, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Everybody please shut up on the fire Zorn and campbell isn't the QB. Campbell is a great qb and zorn is a great coach, the problem is our oline is below average and other than moss and a good not great TE in Cooley our offense has no weapons, if Randle el, Thrash, and Kelly make the catches they should have, then this is a different game. Oh yeah and our front seven sucks other than fletcher, and thats on Vinny, not zorn, this team has a lot of weaknesses that have nothing to do with Zorn and JC.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

No question it is time to bench Jansen. Hall move seems to be a good one. He is playing hard. Very poor way for the team to honor the Reaper. If if you lose at least show some heart and fight. We didn't any heart or fight.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Well, the Redskins may have lost but the good news is that I saved a bundle by switching to GEICO.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

FedEx no home field advantage at all. 'skins' downfall began with the move to Maryland. Portis giveth and Portis taketh away.

Posted by: dc4mckinney | November 30, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, need to remember that Zorn is a first year coach. And he's only been a QB coach up until this season. Now he's learning (hopefully) that the West Coast won't work in the East. Too bad we pi$$ed away a great season by Portis to learn that. Find us some receivers in the off-season, some good O-lineman and a legit pass-rusher and see what happens. But I would make next year Campbell's last as a starter unless he turns it up a notch...

Posted by: 70Chip | November 30, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Stink. Stank. Stunk.

Posted by: Original_etrod

LMAO Thank you sir I needed that.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

("Playoffs?!")

Might as well talk about 'em, since it's that time of year and that's what you play for. Skins have gotten no help so far today in the wild card hunt.

Tampa beat New Orleans, and Carolina beat Green Bay. Both of those teams are now 9-3, fast-tracking one for division champion and making the other a lock for a wild card unless the wheels just totally come off.

At this point, it's a very good bet that anything less than 11-5 for us doesn't get it done, meaning we have to rattle off four in a row, starting next week on the road against Baltimore, in prime time.

Inauspicious.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 30, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

repost...
What a strange coincidence! Portis and Campbell looked good in the same games. And they looked bad in the same games. What do you think that's about?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Not sure you're right about this, but I'm too tired to bother to look it up. Didn't Portis carry the team a couple of times when Campbell wasn't sharp?

I've been a Campbell supporter all the way through but there seems to be something lacking at this point... it's like when Elway didn't have a whole lot to work with, he still seemed to have a great awareness of the field. And that was even in his first couple of years. He was one of the best and so it's hardfor anyone to live up to the comparison, but there is some kind of spark in the truly greats. I just haven't seen that in Campbell. Very good, but not outstanding.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | November 30, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

lets begin the "tear down FED EX Chants" now.....let's go back to RFK, and then build around it.......


embarrassing

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I intend to beat you all over head with the fact that Sean Taylor is dead just like you losers whine and cry about how you miss Sean every single day. Apparently, many of you are not familiar with how dead works. You do not come back; there is no tomorrow, you are not automatically granted martyrdom nor a bust in the Hall of Fame, and you don't win football games feeding like vultures off his memory. Let him actually rest in peace rather than keep writing RIP #21, we'll never forget you Sean a friggin' year after he died! You wallow in your pity like pigs in a mudhole.

Posted by: 70Chip | November 30, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

The only upside is 3-1 the rest of the season should still get them a playoff spot (barring the 3-4 teams in competition for a Wild Card going 4-0). And they have 3 winnable games.

Posted by: justice98 | November 30, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2 - you're absolutely correct.

No way w/ this O-line & defense that we win 4 in a row.

Posted by: cprob001 | November 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Heyer is no better than Jansen, but he might not be worse either. I wish the problem with this team was centered only on right tackle. Our history of not spending high draft picks on the lines is just destroying us now, old and slow is no way to go through a season.

Posted by: driley | November 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Freak, did you forget about our prime time curse? So next weekend against Baltimore does not bode well.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Our entire offseason has resulted in one good move....Horton....and we're 1 for 3 on in season moves (Hall, James, and Taylor) with the misses costing a lot more (3 draft picks) than the hits, that's piss poor...essentially right now, Vinny has one good draft pick our of 13 factoring in the trades.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

If anybody actually watched the games, you would see that Campbell is not the problem.

This offensive line is the problem.

These WRs are the problem.

Jim Zorn is the problem.

Campbell has to play perfect for anything to go right in this offense. He has to drill his WRs in the numbers every time or they won't hang on to the ball (even then it's not a guaranteed catch). He has to be able to avoid free rushers, or shrug off would-be sackers nearly every time in order to get the ball out of his hands. And he magically has to create 50-yard plays out of 3-yard routes. Is he Tom Brady? Of course not. But even Tom Brady wouldn't be able to move the ball in this offense.

Jim Zorn needs to take a serious critical eye to his gameplan and playcalling duties. He's clearly overmatched out there.

Posted by: spizzle

Posted by: spizzle | November 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Heartless performance. I think O_etrod said it best!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. Mistake no. 1 was dissing the mystique of RFK. Can't do that. Can't treat the past like it's nothing.

Posted by: dc4mckinney | November 30, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I intend to beat you all over head with the fact that Sean Taylor is dead just like you losers whine and cry about how you miss Sean every single day. Apparently, many of you are not familiar with how dead works. You do not come back; there is no tomorrow, you are not automatically granted martyrdom nor a bust in the Hall of Fame, and you don't win football games feeding like vultures off his memory. Let him actually rest in peace rather than keep writing RIP #21, we'll never forget you Sean a friggin' year after he died! You wallow in your pity like pigs in a mudhole.

Posted by: 70Chip | November 30, 2008 4:21 PM |

I am thankful that I am not related to you. WOW!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is wearing an interesting "necklace" at his presser.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 30, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 70Chip | November 30, 2008 4:21 PM | Report

70, lot a class A-hole.

Posted by: cosomfla | November 30, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are not a bad team. The Gints are superior. The Lions, Chiefs...are bad teams. We are 7-5 with a chance to win 4 games and make a run. Obviously, we have to get better, but it's possible we'll find some of the magic again from the early part of the season.

Clearly this is a disappointing loss, but it's not the end of the world or the season. Support the team!

Posted by: cosomfla | November 30, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse


Thank you for the one tiny glimmer of rational fandom in here this afternoon. Geez, did the rest of you lose your mortgage payments on this game or something? Ahem...four winnable games ahead, folks. Playoffs were the goal, right?

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | November 30, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

70chip, I am not one to do the sean taylor eulogizing, but you are being extra ghoulish and a jack azz.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 30, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

There is NO WAY we beat the Ravens next week. Is it me or did it look like the Redskins just didn't want to play? It's like they didn't even show up.

Also, stop those comments please, 70chip. You don't have to keep stating that.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 30, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

You wallow in your pity like pigs in a mudhole.

Posted by: 70Chip | November 30, 2008 4:21 PM

And you wallow in hate like a narcissistic sociopath.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Home field advantage...what's that?

Posted by: JCB9 | November 30, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I have to chime in on all this talk about the Skins still being able to make the playoffs. Are you serious? Do you really want to see this team going against a playoff caliber defense? They have not been able to even compete against any good defenses the past month. What's the point? just to say they made the playoffs and got booted out just as quick. That's the last thing I want to see. And Campbell is a good QB (holds the ball sometimes for too long). Problem is, you never see the WR's making great plays on their own. And who are you going to replace him with? Give me a break, both sides of the line need to be addressed before you start focusing in on how the QB is doing.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Eli had waaaayyyy too much time back there today, we can all agree that Eli is not an 'elite' NFL QB, give any NFL QB that much time back there and they'll shred your D....of course on the Skin's O JC has little time to throw and today looked a second behind in a lot of his throws...don't know if it's a confidence thing with him? but you've got to trust your WR is going to be in the spot where you throw it, imo it looked like he was waiting for the WR to break before he threw the ball instead of just trusting that his WR would be there, esp on the out patterns....am i wrong here?

Posted by: RedBaron2008 | November 30, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

70Chip... you, sir, are a dbag.

You've got about as much of a grasp on the game as you have class, which is to say you have as much restraint as a morbidly obese man at an all you-can-eat buffet.

You want Campbell gone? For what? Because he has a line that can't block and wide-recievers who can't catch?

Perhaps you'd like him to rush the passer, give himself his own short field, throw a deep pass and then catch it himself. Football is a team sport. Without JC's team helping him, he isn't going to get much done.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 30, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Freak, did you forget about our prime time curse? So next weekend against Baltimore does not bode well.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 30, 2008 4:23 PM


Haven't forgotten at all, Lisa. That's why I said "inauspicious."

4-0 will have to start in about the toughest way possible, and I'm not optimistic.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 30, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Heyer is no better than Jansen, but he might not be worse either. I wish the problem with this team was centered only on right tackle. Our history of not spending high draft picks on the lines is just destroying us now, old and slow is no way to go through a season.

Posted by: driley | November 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I've been saying this for roughly two years now on here and nobody likes it and everybody says all I am is doom and gloom and that I don't give them any credit for the good moves, well Horton was a lucky pick, Zorn was a great hire, and Hall was a low risk great upside (which we're seeing move) every other move the last two years other than the fletcher signing has been either obvious (landry) or retarded 3 pass catchers in the second round....

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins were at home and had a chance to put the Cowboys away for the season, and they didn't.

Today, the Redskins were at home and had a chance to keep pace with Dallas in the division and remain in serious contention for a wild card spot, and they didn't.

At some point, it's less about Xs and O's than it is about WANTING it more and performing at a level that coincides with your very large salary.

This team seems to think if they prepare all week in practice, that the game will come to them on Sunday. WRONG. In the NFL, you have to go TAKE the game on Sunday.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 30, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"pigs in a mudhole."

is this an insult to fans with "the hogs"...???

Posted by: chrislarry | November 30, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

THE LACK OF EFFORT ON THAT 1ST PAT, WHEN THEY DROPPED THE SNAP AND STILL GOT THE KICK THROUGH, IS WHAT EPITOMIZES THIS GAME.......... NO HEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I have to chime in on all this talk about the Skins still being able to make the playoffs. Are you serious? Do you really want to see this team going against a playoff caliber defense? They have not been able to even compete against any good defenses the past month. What's the point? just to say they made the playoffs and got booted out just as quick. That's the last thing I want to see. And Campbell is a good QB (holds the ball sometimes for too long). Problem is, you never see the WR's making great plays on their own. And who are you going to replace him with? Give me a break, both sides of the line need to be addressed before you start focusing in on how the QB is doing.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Uhm, yeah. I certainly would rather rip off 4 wins and make the playoffs. DOH!

Posted by: cosomfla | November 30, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

We aren't very good.

Posted by: hender_22 | November 30, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

do you really think the skins can win 4 in a row w/ a bunch of hurt 10 year veterans on the O-Line? versus Baltimore? versus a

maybe we can pull of 3 in a row, but I can see us losing to Philly at home.

Posted by: cprob001 | November 30, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The only play call that seemed to work today was the two screens and the reverse. Granted that this admits that you have no downfield game and can't hold out a pass rush for three seconds, but still we even stopped using these plays except for one series. Our running game had no life at all.

Posted by: driley | November 30, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Mr Redskin 21, you are right. Factor in the awfulness of FedEx, and you have hit the nail exactly on the head.

I don't care if they make the playoffs. Watching this team is an act of torture, week in and week out. It's just brutal. I'd rather not they make the playoffs, it'd be better for the league to have a team that WANTS to be there. (We'll see if the December magic holds up.)

Posted by: dc4mckinney | November 30, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

well, that was a complete spanking.
Smoot's new nickname is "toast",
great showing all in all

Posted by: griffmills | November 30, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I like Zorn...He's got his work cut out for him though. How do you motivate multi million dollar players to execute and play with the same passion that you have?

Posted by: JCB9 | November 30, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Uhm, yeah. I certainly would rather rip off 4 wins and make the playoffs. DOH!


Posted by: cosomfla | November 30, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Rip off 4 in a row? All of a sudden, both sides of the line are going to play like Hall of Famers? Let reality sprinkle over your head for a second. Eagles and Ravens have great defenses. This team has not been able to score more than 1td against a great defense. Than you have the Bengals and 49ers, and how has this team played against sub-par competition. May I borrow your magic flute and dance in the green fields of Middle Earth?

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

3-4 at home, if you can call that vacuum they play in a "home," and 4-1 on the road.

I guess it's a good thing the Skins are traveling to Baltimore next week. At least there the Skins will have a chance.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 30, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

If I hear one more person say that JC needs time to develop, I'm going to snap.

Posted by: austin987654 | November 30, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Hope the redskin players all get big-screen TVs for Christmas....will be as close as they get to the play-offs : )

Posted by: griffmills | November 30, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

This game actually reminded me of the Buffalo game last season. It was cold and raining - and we had a tribute to Sean.

The difference was the score was much closer last season and we could have won that game.

The positives from today? Not many.....Devin Thomas scoring a TD and Hall's INT. If Springs and Hall had not ran into each other one of them would have had another INT.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 30, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

UT GOT HOSED............... HOW DO YOU BEAT A TEAM AND STILL NOT PLAY IN THE CONF CHAMPIONSHIP.......

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 30, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

On the question of do I as a fan really want to see our team make the playoffs "only to lose to a better team," yes. You to play to win the whole thing, even if you "can't."

The Redskins are a middling team that did a very good job of playing mistake-free football in the first third of the season, resulting in some close wins and a good record. Now they're dealing with some injuries, opposing teams have had time to figure out the Skins and those teams have also hit their own strides, and the turnover advantage that the Skins once enjoyed has narrowed.

As for this particular loss today, receivers didn't hold onto well-thrown balls, and the O-line didn't come through when we needed it.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 30, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I can see us losing the rest of our games, but I also think we can make a run. Yes I do. Sometimes one win can start the momentum and you just never know what can happen. I'm so sick and tired of all the friggin gloom and doomers. Yeah, we got beat at home by a better team. Do I think we didn't try? Absolutely not! THESE ARE THE SAME PLAYERS YOU WERE LOVING EARLIER THIS YEAR. For crying out loud go join another blog if you hate the team so much.
Support your team when the chips are down, that's what REAL fans do.

Posted by: cosomfla | November 30, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Riggins just said it's Campbell.

Posted by: dc4mckinney | November 30, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Lavar show's up to thhe game in blue and white why is he here. and maybe ow the brass will adress these lines this off season.

Posted by: dakel76 | November 30, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

It's about time for Portis to call out his O line - seems to be the ONLY thing that fires them up.

Posted by: RedBaron2008 | November 30, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

we lose to the ravens, our offense sucks and just can't beat a team with as good a defense as the ravens have and then we'll run the table and get to 10 and 6, then it just comes down to tie breakers.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Sh-Eli had all the time in the world...If our D can't get pressure on the QB we're done for the rest of the season.

Posted by: JCB9 | November 30, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

go for the draft pick
was Riggins sober?

Posted by: griffmills | November 30, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just a simple case of the team having early success because other team's d-coordinators didn't know what to expect from Zorn.

Obviously, as is always the case as the season goes on, people are watching film of his play calling and have figured out his tendencies.

The only cure for that is for Zorn to spend more time changing it up week to week, to keep the other guy guessing.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 30, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

No rachel216 it not just you. They did look like they didn't want to play. That the sad part of it all. I can take a lost if you are playing hard. They just didn't play hard and G Men look like they more up for this game than we did.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

You tell me. He's on the radio now. I think so.

Posted by: dc4mckinney | November 30, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Lavar showed up in blue and white? Are you kidding me? What a classless loser! He is so angry that his days are over.

Posted by: austin987654 | November 30, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm with CosmoFL on this one:

This team is impotent offensively.
We are a threat to no one.

The Ravens defense is looking forward to a game where their offense will only have to score 14 points to secure the win.

I'm upset, frustrated, and just plain tired.
Week after week same ole offense.
Impotence.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 30, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

A game like this really shows what positions the Skins need to address in April's draft: big fast strong side backer (would love Aaron Curry) and a young quick OT with good feet and a mean streak. Samuels and Jansen are both kind of going down hill together so this must be an offseason priority.

I still think the Skins have enough left to scratch their way into the postseason. This Ravens game is suddenly looking pretty frightening.

Posted by: elfreako | November 30, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Besides the Ravens and Eagles being potential losses, you have to look at the 49ers too. That's just the type of team that hangs around with the Skins and pulls it out at the end. And these short passes on third and long have got to stop. It's been going on all season, I don't know what Zorn is thinking. Unless you've got a big strong WR that consistently breaks tackles and makes plays on their own (see Boldin and Roddy White) what the purpose of running routes short of the 1st down. Also, time to start suprising teams and going deep or atleast 10 yds down the field early on opening drives.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The thing is this : We HAD to have this game, (okay, it wasn't a MUST, but still!) the Giants didn't have to have this game. Yet they're the ones stretching out for the extra yard, playing with energy, a sense of urgency, and passion. Honestly, it's like the Giants didn't have to play at 100% and they still would have beat us. We never were really in this game cept for after Thomas' TD. Also, why the heck did the Ravens game get moved?? Who wants to watch our hideous offense?? Ravens D is as good as Steeler's, and we all know how that turned out...

Posted by: rachel216 | November 30, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Uhm, yeah. I certainly would rather rip off 4 wins and make the playoffs. DOH!


Posted by: cosomfla | November 30, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Rip off 4 in a row? All of a sudden, both sides of the line are going to play like Hall of Famers? Let reality sprinkle over your head for a second. Eagles and Ravens have great defenses. This team has not been able to score more than 1td against a great defense. Than you have the Bengals and 49ers, and how has this team played against sub-par competition. May I borrow your magic flute and dance in the green fields of Middle Earth?

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2008 4:35 PM | Report


We have four games against the Ravens, Bengals, Eagles, and Niners. We can absolutely win every one of them. Did you think we were going to beat the girls and eagles on the road?. You can take the flute and do whatever you want with it. I have a suggestion if you're interested.

Posted by: cosomfla | November 30, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Will you football clueless people stop talking about the D and lack of pass rush?!? This game and our other losses were due to lack of offense.

The jints scored 23 points! If we had any kind of offense we would have won not only this game, but all of the other games we lost.

This game and our other losses are on the offense. The D once again played well enough to win. Sheesh!!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Lavar show's up in blue and white why is he here.and game's are one in the trenches o-line and d-line.maybe now the brass will draft the way other good team's do.

Posted by: dakel76 | November 30, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Will you football clueless people stop talking about the D and lack of pass rush?!? This game and our other losses were due to lack of offense.

The jints scored 23 points! If we had any kind of offense we would have won not only this game, but all of the other games we lost.

This game and our other losses are on the offense. The D once again played well enough to win. Sheesh!!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 4:47 PM


AMEN!! This the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but!

Posted by: cosomfla | November 30, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

The positives from today? Not many.....Devin Thomas scoring a TD and Hall's INT. If Springs and Hall had not ran into each other one of them would have had another INT.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 30, 2008 4:37 PM

Umm Lisa, Springs dumb a** ran into Hall when he was sizing up a terrible pass by Manning. In just 3 games Hall has more picks than Springs does. Cut Springs, M. Washington and P. Kendall this offseason and spend wisely. I bet we could keep Hall for less than 2 mill a year.

Posted by: elfreako | November 30, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

We have four games against the Ravens, Bengals, Eagles, and Niners. We can absolutely win every one of them. Did you think we were going to beat the girls and eagles on the road?. You can take the flute and do whatever you want with it. I have a suggestion if you're interested.

Posted by: cosomfla | November 30, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you have been watching a different team than me but with a hurt Portis I give us a 100 to 1 shot against B-more and Philly and I think we can beat cincy and maybe san fran ( who just beat a good buffalo team). Can we win them all, sure and I can win the lottery, but the chances aren't good, at best we go 3-1 more likely we go 2-2 or 1-3.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

We have four games against the Ravens, Bengals, Eagles, and Niners. We can absolutely win every one of them. Did you think we were going to beat the girls and eagles on the road?. You can take the flute and do whatever you want with it. I have a suggestion if you're interested.

Posted by: cosomfla | November 30, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Please, this is no time to discuss your fantasies in reference to the flute. And yeah, Skins beat both of those teams early in the season when the offense was still somewhat of an enigma to opposing Defenses. It no longer is, teams know how to stop the Offense and its tendencies.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

guys, pull it together; if you're not ready for the run get OUT. probably the same dudes that gave up after 5-7 in 07 and 5-6 in 05.

remember what happened the last time we lost to the giants. we won 4 straight

Posted by: hailbg | November 30, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

If you'd all be quiet for a moment, I'd like to sing you a song.


No?


Bickering it is, then. I finally figured out where my N64 was hiding, so I'm going to go play Mario Kart and Goldeneye for a while.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 30, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Riggo blaming JC again.

Posted by: dc4mckinney | November 30, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

The Giants moved the ball on the ground as well as in the air and for the most part, Manning had little pass rush to deal with...Had he been hit a few more times or had hands in his face who knows what would have happened...Having said that the offense still stinks and is the most critical problem that Zorn has to fix.

Posted by: JCB9 | November 30, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Haha, love Mario Cart!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Some of you can jump ship with you want. I still with my boys and say they win the next 4. WILL BEAT Ravens next week?

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

cosomfla - I love your optimism. But let's be real here. Our O-Line is terrible, and not just against the Giants. The trade offs of veteran players is that you get their knowledge & leadership, but you also get their injuries & slowness.

And let's not try to defend ARE, Thrash, Kelly. (and the lack of contribution from F. Davis)

Posted by: cprob001 | November 30, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Umm Lisa, Springs dumb a** ran into Hall when he was sizing up a terrible pass by Manning. In just 3 games Hall has more picks than Springs does. Cut Springs, M. Washington and P. Kendall this offseason and spend wisely. I bet we could keep Hall for less than 2 mill a year.

Posted by: elfreako | November 30, 2008 4:51 PM

Both players were looking at the ball -- the way they should -- and neither saw the other. It's no more Springs' fault than Hall's.

But, yeah, if we can sign Hall (and it will be a lot more than $2 million a year) then we don't need Springs unless he takes a big pay cut. And Washington's useless at this point in his career. But Kendall? He's cheap and has played well for us. Not sure what he has left, but he would be a reasonable backup -- more reasonable than Jansen.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Riggo may be drunk, but I have to concur somewhat. It's not all JC's fault, but he is not the answer. He doesn't have what it takes.

Posted by: austin987654 | November 30, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

(and the lack of contribution from F. Davis)

Posted by: cprob001

Dude, com'on, you can't seriously think he was drafted for this year?? Plus it is hard to contribute when you are inactive!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, Curzon417. Our D wasn't the problem today, and it's never been the problem once this year...if our stinkin offense could help out our defense, it would be great. Not only does our offense not help our defense, they hurt them cause they put them out on the field for so long! Lose to Dallas while only giving up 14 points, lose to the Giants while giving up 23 (23 is a lot, but thats about 7 less than their average this year) A decent offense could put up 24 points and win the game!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | November 30, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

This team is just like 2005: a decent QB, Portis-Moss-Cooley but nothing else on offense, and a solid defense that keeps them in the game. But, no matter how good your D is, 7 points is not going to win many games in the NFL!!

Campbell is doing fine, but he needs some help! Thrash drops a big 3rd down ball, Kelly drops a tough but catchable deep shot, ARE drops a 3rd down ball, what the hell? JC can't run out there and catch them too!!!

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | November 30, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are not a bad team. The Gints are superior. The Lions, Chiefs...are bad teams. We are 7-5 with a chance to win 4 games and make a run. Obviously, we have to get better, but it's possible we'll find some of the magic again from the early part of the season.

Clearly this is a disappointing loss, but it's not the end of the world or the season. Support the team!

Posted by: cosomfla | November 30, 2008 4:06 PM |

You may be right but I don't think so. We may not be a bad team but we are not close to a good team. We are average at best. We lose to good teams and barely beat horrible teams, if we beat them at all (see St. Louis). Finding magic doesn't make you a good team, it makes you a lucky team. As we've seen 2 out of the last 3 years, finding magic gets you only so far. I'd rather find decent, consistent players that keep our quarterback upright and opposing teams quarterbacks horizontal. This team has potential but needs to make some drastic improvements in very critical areas (the trenches) or we will continue to get what we've gotten, just far enough to get hope but never far enough to really matter.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

D vs O....I'd like to see the numbers on what our O has done after our D gets a turnover...isn't this Hall's second pick where our O has cashed in exactly 0 points?

Posted by: RedBaron2008 | November 30, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

If Mr. Fred Davis wasn't expected to contribute this year, why was Yoder getting thrown to late in the 4th quarter?

and why would you waste a 1st day draft pick on a player who won't immediately contribute.

Posted by: cprob001 | November 30, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rachel216 | November 30, 2008 5:02 PM

And when the D does get a turnover, what does the O do with it? Throw it to Thrash!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

A decent offense could put up 24 points and win the game!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | November 30, 2008 5:02 PM

Well the Giants have only faced two "decent offenses" this year. That's how many teams have scored 24 points on the Giants: Browns and Cardinals.

On the other hand, how many defenses have held them to 23 or less this year? Three: Redskins (twice), Steelers, and Browns.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I have a lot of respect for Riggo, but he's wrong about JC.

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | November 30, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

If Mr. Fred Davis wasn't expected to contribute this year, why was Yoder getting thrown to late in the 4th quarter?

and why would you waste a 1st day draft pick on a player who won't immediately contribute.

Posted by: cprob001 | November 30, 2008 5:05 PM

So all 1st day picks should contribute right away? Dude, we had all of our starters returning for this year. Of the three pass catcher's drafted, Davis was the one that was least expected to contribute.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

If Mr. Fred Davis wasn't expected to contribute this year, why was Yoder getting thrown to late in the 4th quarter?

and why would you waste a 1st day draft pick on a player who won't immediately contribute.

Posted by: cprob001 | November 30, 2008 5:05 PM

Are you new here? Wednesday is the day for complaining about last year's draft. Sunday and Monday are for talking about today's game. You're a man ahead of your time.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Everybody please shut up on the fire Zorn and campbell isn't the QB. Campbell is a great qb and zorn is a great coach, the problem is our oline is below average and other than moss and a good not great TE in Cooley our offense has no weapons, if Randle el, Thrash, and Kelly make the catches they should have, then this is a different game. Oh yeah and our front seven sucks other than fletcher, and thats on Vinny, not zorn, this team has a lot of weaknesses that have nothing to do with Zorn and JC.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 30, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Geez!! Where have you been?. It's good to read a post of logic. We (the Skins) just don't have the horses! I can't wait for the 09 draft.

Posted by: renaw9 | November 30, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

So all 1st day picks should contribute right away? Dude, we had all of our starters returning for this year. Of the three pass catcher's drafted, Davis was the one that was least expected to contribute.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

That's because they didn't need him..at all. Everytime I read about the drafting of Davis, it irks me to no end. Unless you consistently run a 2TE offense, you don't pass over other areas of need for an area of want.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I have a lot of respect for Riggo, but he's wrong about JC.

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | November 30, 2008 5:08 PM

He's also been bashing CP a bit lately on the Saturday night Redskins Report. I think he needs to take his act to a different venue.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Everybody please shut up on the fire Zorn and campbell isn't the QB. Campbell is a great qb


How is Campbell a "great qb"? He's been mediocre his whole career. You can say he's been good at times, but great? That's nuts.

Posted by: austin987654 | November 30, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I've got to say that the Fred Davis pick was a wasted pick. We needed O line and D line. Saying we drafted the best player available is a cop out. We missed out on what has now become huge glaring needs. We needed WR's so I can give a pass on those but the TE pick was just plain stupid. He doesn't even have any trade value right now.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile ATL is winning against Norv Turner's Chargers.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

That's because they didn't need him..at all. Everytime I read about the drafting of Davis, it irks me to no end. Unless you consistently run a 2TE offense, you don't pass over other areas of need for an area of want.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 30, 2008 5:12 PM

Whether we need him or not is not the same as doggin' the guy for not contributing. I won't get into whether we needed him or not until Wednesday...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Skins receivers dropped too many passes and Zorn calls too many sideline passes. Throw the ball downfield, and have the receivers run pass the first down marker. I am so tired of seeing a catch fall one or two yards short of the first down.

Posted by: abrockway | November 30, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

He's also been bashing CP a bit lately on the Saturday night Redskins Report. I think he needs to take his act to a different venue.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 5:12 PM

Perhaps LaVar's resteraunt??

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I have a lot of respect for Riggo, but he's wrong about JC.

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | November 30, 2008 5:08 PM

He's also been bashing CP a bit lately on the Saturday night Redskins Report. I think he needs to take his act to a different venue.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

How does he get off bashing CP? The one guy who's been busting his guts every week!!

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | November 30, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

He doesn't even have any trade value right now.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 30, 2008 5:16 PM

Isn't that the way it always works? If they have trade value, you want to keep them. If they don't, you want to trade them.

Oh, and were you aware, scamp, that Tech beat Georgia yesterday, 45-42? I'm a ramblin' reck from Georgia Tech....

HTTRR!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

How does he get off bashing CP? The one guy who's been busting his guts every week!!

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | November 30, 2008 5:18 PM

Shouldn't that be "playing his guts out"??

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what Lavar Arrington wore? People who obsess over things like that are morons.

Posted by: MKadyman | November 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

How does he get off bashing CP? The one guy who's been busting his guts every week!!

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | November 30, 2008 5:18 PM

He thought it was "fishy" that CP went away for the bye week healthy and came back injured. Said "There's something going on there...."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

How does he get off bashing CP? The one guy who's been busting his guts every week!!

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | November 30, 2008 5:18 PM

Shouldn't that be "playing his guts out"??

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it should. ;-)

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | November 30, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

People who obsess over things like that are morons.

Posted by: MKadyman | November 30, 2008 5:20 PM

How about if we don't "obsess" but just express bewilderment? Are we better than morons? Say, "slow"? Or maybe "confused"?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

How does he get off bashing CP? The one guy who's been busting his guts every week!!

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | November 30, 2008 5:18 PM

He thought it was "fishy" that CP went away for the bye week healthy and came back injured. Said "There's something going on there...."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

CP hasn't been "healthy" since training camp! He certainly wasn't "healthy" at their bye week.

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | November 30, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

JC needs to step up just like a lot of other players on this team. But to throw all of it on him is not fair. The O line has suck in pass protection. Wide outs have drop way too many passes that hits them in the hands and that include Moss. They all need to step up but at the same time we all need to remember this is their first year in this O.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 30, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Good work up here today, Curzon. You opened the tequila yet or is it too early for that in New Mexico?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

JC needs to step up just like a lot of other players on this team. But to throw all of it on him is not fair. The O line has suck in pass protection. Wide outs have drop way too many passes that hits them in the hands and that include Moss. They all need to step up but at the same time we all need to remember this is their first year in this O.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage

JM, logic has no place here with us obsessive types!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 30, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Riggo has a job is because of our owners refusing to let go of the past(hogs,riggo,gibbs et al) he is a recovering drunk with no job prospects whatsoever other than radio980,I mean think about has he ever worked for anyone else and if he has he was one and done.The only reason he has a job is because of Snyder and the chief brown noser Andy Pollin, don't let what he has to say impact anything on this blog!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 30, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

T_E, only thing keeping me medium is the tequila. Otherwise I would be calling for firing Zorn or starting Colt!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Riggo can do no wrong, i dont care what he says...

Fred Davis was a wasted pick, there just is not another way to cut that pie. Dallas and Jets didn't need a TE either and picked anyway and those players are playing huge for their teams.

The team is who we thought they were when we were all honest with ourselves in the deep dark night...

Its a mixed bag, Zorn needs a full off season and some moves/drafts that actually pan out...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 30, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

If Mr. Fred Davis wasn't expected to contribute this year, why was Yoder getting thrown to late in the 4th quarter?

and why would you waste a 1st day draft pick on a player who won't immediately contribute.

Posted by: cprob001 | November 30, 2008 5:05 PM

So all 1st day picks should contribute right away? Dude, we had all of our starters returning for this year. Of the three pass catcher's drafted, Davis was the one that was least expected to contribute.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 30, 2008 5:09 PM

I don't think he should be an All-Pro. But at least play and contribute on Special Teams and 3rd down.

the point being, we could've had a another DL in the rotation.

of course, I must be an idiot for not being smart enough to see how Fred Davis will help us win the super bowl w/ in the next 4 - 5 years.

Posted by: cprob001 | November 30, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I am spoiled, but I seem to remember REDSKINS teams winning with a GREAT defense and a decent offense. The Joe Gibbs teams of the 80/90s didn't have great nor good QBs. Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, were decent QBs at best who did decent jobs because they weren't asked to win games but not to lose them for us as we had great defenses then.
This new owner seems intent on building a team with a great offense and a franchise QB, which we have neither.
It is safe to say Jason Campbell will not be a Peyton Manning, a Tom Brady nor a Romo who can bring a team back almost at will to win a game.
Meanwhile this defense is two great defensive linemen away, who can rush the passer of course with 4 down linesmen instead of 7 or 8 in the box which in turns exposes our DB back there on having to cover one on one, of being a GREAT defense. But yet, the D line keeps getting neglected in the draft where teams like the Giants, Dallas and the Eagles are stocking up.
Is it then a coincidence that the SUPER BOWL winners of the past few season have had great pass rushing defenses?
Consequently, you have Snyder and Vinny who keep trying to fill in the holes along the D line with over-the-hill and injury-prone defensive linemen who get paid millions to do nothing years in, years out.
When you have players and potential coaches turning down this storied franchise like Antonio Pierce and Champ Bailey, who could not wait to leave town, or coaches like Steve Spagnolu who turned down Snyder for the head coaching position, something that would never happen to the Giants, The Cowgirls and the Patriots, something is seriously, seriously wrong with the Redskins management, don't you think?
After the debacle of using a relatively middle pick on a punter instead on a defensive linemen or linebacker and then replacing this punter a few games into the season for someone who according to the stats so far is NOT that much better, how much longer do we as Redskins fans have to go through with the horrible decisions this owner along with his fake Cousin Vinny is making to destroy this storied franchise?
Finally, I think Jim Zorn is too calm and collected for my taste. Show some emotions my friend, and have some guts too while you are at it. Punting the ball on 4th down and 1 early in the 4th quarter while being down by 16 is not cutting it. Then going for it on 4th down and 1 with 5 minutes left and calling a running play while still losing by 16 is mindboggling to me.
If the Redskins have any chance of regaining their rightful place among the best in the league, we have to copy the Steelers, the Giants, the Patriots' model and potentially bring back Bill Cowher either as either GM or YES even as head coach. Otherwise this franchise is not going anywhere with the bunch of amateurs in the front office and the coaching staffs that we have.

Posted by: JeanJak | November 30, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I really don't know what the problem is here any more. I used to blame Snyder, but I think that it's more than him. It's an organizational culture problem among all of its stakeholders. The problem spreads across all facets of the organization.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 30, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

All this team really needed this year is to have a couple more playmakers on offense. The rookies they were counting on just haven't panned out, and so that's why they're sitting at 7-5 right now.

If even one of those two (Kelly or Thomas) had been able to contribute -- what a huge difference that would have made. And, there's still time for one or both of them to show up down the stretch run. It's not over yet.

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | November 30, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

CAR has games against TB and NYG left. DAL has to play NYG, PIT, and PHL. ATL has the easiest schedule and is winning in SD. We now have to hope that other teams lose.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 30, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I still don't see the point of making the playoffs if you don't have what it takes to win the whole thing. So we were lucky to have made it to the playoffs these last couple of years with Gibbs, did that mean we deserved it or that we had a real chance of winning the SB?
Personally, I think making it to the playoffs will give some of us a false sense of hope that indeed we have a good team. Just like losing to the G-men today, some of us still find positives in the lost. I still think we should have lost this game 50-7 to make us see the reality that is this Skins team.

Posted by: JeanJak | November 30, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

People are overacting wayyyy to much. We just lost to the best team in football, we had chances 2 or 3 in this game to make it very close.

Shuisham's kick at the end of the half, Campbell threw the ball late to Randel El, it should have a TD, Kelly had a few drops which would have been first downs. Not to mention the ball didn't bounce our way on a few ints.

I have to think against a lesser team, like we will be facing in our next 4 games, that we will take advantage of these things during the game and win at least 3 of them if not all 4.

D Thomas and Kelly need more opportunties obviously, I wank Thomas to be our kick returner and punt returner, he's so good in the open field.

It was one game people, dont loose hope now!

I would have never drempt we would make the playoffs after loosing to Buffalo last year, and we did, so anything in possible. Especially if we beat the Eagles and 49ers, those are NFC wins, which we need!

Posted by: avbanig | November 30, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

The problem with this team is a lack of leadership and accountability. On offense, not one guy gets in anybody's face in the heat of battle or on the sidelines. The QB is too quiet, and the receivers are just as quiet. NO ONE on offense is fiery or ever shows emotion. Cooley can't block and never shows any emotion. Devinn Thomas is the ONLY fiery player on offense, but he can't get on the field enough for his emotion to rub off.
There's too much job security on this team. Guys drop catchable balls and simply run to the sideline with no fear of even the head coach getting in their face. If they don't have that urgency Parcells' players played with, then they'll keep enjoying job security, and will make the same mistakes over and over again.
The kicker is a perfect example. Every game he misses at least 1 kick, runs back to the sideline and NO ONE gets in his face. There's no one there to take his job, so why should he care about making the next kick?
The leadership is a joke and can't pick talent. How does a guy like Hixon get picked up off waivers by the Giants? He torched our secondary today, and just a year ago was discarded.
As long as Dan Snyder owns this team and refuses to get the right GM in here, we will continue to see the same results. The definition of insanity is "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."

Posted by: RollyMac | November 30, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

The defense did not have a very good game today, but I'll give them a pass: they were playing a very good offensive team, and they were playing with an injured d-line. Besides, 23 points is not that bad. Look around the league at the amount of teams that scored more points than the Giants today. A lot! Because the defense is # 1 in the NFC (at least before today's game), I cannot blame the front office. They're doing something right. The offense though...the play-calling is unimaginative and scared, the quarterback is still uncomfortable, and they only have 2 player-makers. Oh, yeah, and the o-line is old, undiscliplined, and out-of-synch.

Posted by: chrisblars | November 30, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Something has got to change, because we're better on the road than at home.

Thoughts?

Posted by: abtassler


Move back into RFK Stadium, a real stadium. Where white jerseys, burgundy pants and white shoes. That is a start.

Posted by: TheSmurfs | November 30, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I hope every player, coach, "GM", and owner of the Redskins feel deeply ashamed of themselves today.
That was one embarrassing "performance" on the day that was intended to honor their best player who died tragically too soon.

Disgusting.

Posted by: jgarrisn | November 30, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

That first PAT by the giants was embarassing to watch. For the skins to refuse to charge and allow the giants to reset a muffed snap was criminal. I can't believe zorn didn't rush the field and start tackling players. reminded me of the play, years ago, of a cowboy player dragging jeff george around by his jersey after the whistle while the skins just watched.

Posted by: mtskins | November 30, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

gotta love the indignant outrage from you guys. skins are a nice little team with a nice little defense, a very good RB and TE, 1 receiver, and possibly a 'for-real' QB. most of you were fooled by their early start. i don't blame you though - you must be starved for any type of success.

but, in reality, they are not a very convincing team. they have had to fight tooth and nail for all their wins - from the dregs to the better NFL teams.

for a team that has been so bad for so long, you guys should really be less outraged then you are right now. they have already far surpassed what most thought this team could do with a rookie coach.

Posted by: funkey | November 30, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

This team is 7-9 years away, best case scenario, at being competitive again. Maybe more with Dan and Vinnie running the show.

Posted by: chris_rollins2k3 | November 30, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is good... but is he smart enough to learn? Can he look at what works? When Campbell throws it past 10 yards, he connects. Under desperation, we move the ball. The Skins need to establish the AIR GAME. If they do it in the first quarter, then they can give it to Portis. Right now, everyone has our number, like they did under Gibbs. We run the ball. Portis gets the ball on 1st and on 3rd and short. I love the guy. He's the best. But he should not have played today. Every team knows he is carrying too much of the offense. Establish the pass.

Posted by: davidbrowne | November 30, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell has 32 TD's in 31 games. In 9 of those games he as thrown 0 TD's. That is more than 25% of the time.

Jason Campbell is allergic to throwing TD's and the stats point to it.

Lemme blow your mind:

Jason Campbell in 13 preseason games/2 touchdown passes

Colt Brennan in 5 preseason games/3 touchdowns passes

Posted by: Vicc | November 30, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

We want Colt! We want Colt!

Just kidding.

Posted by: BabeLaufenberg | November 30, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is inept.

He got his stats upped towards the meaningless end of the game, but he couldn't do anything during most of the game, held onto the ball too long, threw a few picks, and barely went down field while throwing short many times when we needed a first down.

Clearly to me, if he wanted to be a superstar, he had to carry the team on his back and make plays out of broken plays, and he can't do it.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 30, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Dan Snyder thinks of his franchise and what he's done to it as he looks down from his sky box and sees so many empty seats and the visiting team's players leading their fans in cheers.

Something has got to change, because we're better on the road than at home.

Thoughts?

Posted by: abtassler | November 30, 2008 4:16 PM


I think you've made a great post. It is embarrassing. As a Redskins fan it is sad to admit how pathetic we have become. i used to think we were on par with the Steelers, Bears, New Yorks of the league. Not even close. pretty sure the texans and jaguars get more of a home field "advantage" than we do. To even refer to the crowd at FedEx as the 12th man is laughable. After seeing the steeler game on TV and being at the stadium today I'm embarrassed as Redskins fan. And Snyder should certainly be embarrassed as the owner.

Posted by: burgundyandgold21 | November 30, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

"I'm embarrassed as Redskins fan. And Snyder should certainly be embarrassed as the owner.

Posted by: burgundyandgold21 | November 30, 2008 9:59 PM "

If Snyder felt embarrassed at all, Cerrato wouldn't be the GM right now.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 30, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Lemme blow your mind:

Jason Campbell in 13 preseason games/2 touchdown passes

Colt Brennan in 5 preseason games/3 touchdowns passes
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OMG you totally blew my mind. Just kidding, you didn't blow my mind at all. Some moran on the Metro told me that he thinks Colt Brennan is the QB of the future. I just rolled my eyes.

Great job Colt, for throwing TD passes against guys who are now working as garbage men.

Posted by: honed | November 30, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the Redskins had their QB of the future a long time ago; he's currently playing a nice game against the Chicago Bears on NBC.

Gus is playing better than JC right now.

The universe is a strange and cruel place.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 30, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry, Vinnie is a f****ing genius. Instead of getting a couple of linemen we could really use or local receiver Eddie Royal (VT) who is a monster, we have Kelly, Davis and Thomas (oh yeah, and big mouth Tyron who watches the ball roll right by him). God help us if Danny lets him run the draft again.....

Posted by: bioesq | November 30, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Pretenders once again....never ever trade draft picks to draft a qb from a running school...I agree with Riggo he doesn't have "it" ...whatever it is..I'm so tired of our Qb poor team this has gone on for 2 long..I'm not spending $300 bux next year for sunday ticket to suffer thru another piss poor season..how about blockin the LE on the play action some time you may actually get more than 5 yds....need to get rid or ARE,Trash ...put tana in the slot use him like NE uses welker..make somebody cover him with him in motion...lot more mis matches..ARE can't even get off the line ..dbs killin him...special teams suck..esp punting how friggin hard would it be to dir kick to the sideline instead of in the end zone every week...insane

Posted by: K88J28 | November 30, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey JC,

Why is it most other teams we play seem to kill us with the quick slant passes and nearly every time we run the play it's for little gain or incomplete?

Posted by: Redskinrex | November 30, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

You guys have to watch YouTube on Colt Brennan. He is the real deal. The guy sees the whole field, can quickly read defenses, is accurate, and is cool under pressure. If we continue to tank, Zorn should start him at lease one game.

Posted by: fortysteps | November 30, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Nothing has changed, the Skins still have a 3rd rate offensive line and other than Moss, their receivers are 3rd rate. All these years going back to Joe Gibbs, and look at the wasted draft picks and trades, and we still have a washed up bunch of old guys as an offensive line. The problem with the Skins is not Zorn, its the front office, Danny boy and Vinny boy, two amateurs playing fantasy football with the Redskins, and they continue to screw up this organization with crappy draft picks and expensive trades. Look at last years draft what a JOKE! The punter is gone, the WRs are a waste. The same old offensive line with Jansen getting beat on pass protection, and now even #60 is looking slow and old. The home crowd is sick of paying too much money to watch this bunch of losers. As long as Snyder is the owner, this franchise has no hope of doing anything. We can forget about the playoffs this year, it would only be a huge embarressment anyways if they made it.

Posted by: mikepem01 | December 1, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Zorn needs to take a stand to save this thing! On offense; bench Jansen and Randle El now, they are absolute dogs. Get Betts more carries to help Portis. Put the rookie WRs on the field and push the G-Damned ball down the field!!! On defense move Springs to WS and bring up Landry. Do a better job of hiding blitzes - how unsophisticated can they be? Heck, my wife can point out who's blitzing and when! On Special Team can each kicker - they BOTH STINK!

Posted by: kone | December 1, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

mikepm01 has got it RIGHT. Stop spending money on this mess and things WILL change. As long as the cash is coming in Danny will be Danny.

Posted by: kone | December 1, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

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